1 00:00:27,042 --> 00:00:29,252 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2 00:00:47,727 --> 00:00:48,812 MAN: One minute. 3 00:00:49,395 --> 00:00:50,396 One minute. 4 00:00:54,775 --> 00:00:56,360 [BELL RINGS] 5 00:00:58,361 --> 00:00:59,446 Hi. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 6 00:01:00,655 --> 00:01:02,115 - How are you? - MAN: You can go right here. 7 00:01:03,658 --> 00:01:05,952 [UPBEAT COUNTRY ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 8 00:01:06,619 --> 00:01:08,204 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 9 00:01:08,204 --> 00:01:10,122 {\an8}♪ Where the good things are ♪ 10 00:01:10,122 --> 00:01:11,624 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 11 00:01:11,624 --> 00:01:13,209 {\an8}♪ Where the good things are ♪ 12 00:01:13,209 --> 00:01:15,252 {\an8}♪ Good things Utah ♪ 13 00:01:15,252 --> 00:01:19,256 {\an8}Joining us now is Matt. He's a certified DEI expert. 14 00:01:19,256 --> 00:01:21,758 {\an8}And, Matt, let's start with what you do. 15 00:01:21,758 --> 00:01:23,969 {\an8}What is a certified DEI expert? 16 00:01:23,969 --> 00:01:26,346 {\an8}Well, that's someone who takes you on a journey 17 00:01:26,346 --> 00:01:27,847 {\an8}of diversity and inclusion. 18 00:01:27,847 --> 00:01:30,391 {\an8}And, um, speaking of journeys, you know, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And, um, speaking of journeys, you know, 19 00:01:30,391 --> 00:01:31,809 {\an8}it's all about how you begin the journey. 20 00:01:31,809 --> 00:01:32,893 We covered this in the workshop. 21 00:01:32,893 --> 00:01:33,978 I'd like to start with 22 00:01:33,978 --> 00:01:35,270 what's called a "land acknowledgement." 23 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:36,814 I don't know if you're familiar with those. 24 00:01:36,814 --> 00:01:40,692 Um, I brought, uh, one along for this broadcast. 25 00:01:40,692 --> 00:01:43,445 {\an8}Uh, so, I'd like to begin by acknowledging 26 00:01:43,445 --> 00:01:46,656 {\an8}that this broadcast is airing in the traditional lands 27 00:01:46,656 --> 00:01:48,491 {\an8}of the Ute, the Paiute, 28 00:01:48,491 --> 00:01:50,827 {\an8}the Goshute, and the Shoshone tribes. 29 00:01:50,827 --> 00:01:52,870 {\an8}These are the peoples who call this land home 30 00:01:52,870 --> 00:01:56,249 before it was ravaged and ransacked by the white man. 31 00:01:56,249 --> 00:01:58,083 {\an8}And this is a lot of things 32 00:01:58,083 --> 00:02:00,669 {\an8}that we don't necessarily think about. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that we don't necessarily think about. 33 00:02:00,669 --> 00:02:02,712 - MATT: Mm-hmm. - And this is part 34 00:02:02,712 --> 00:02:05,590 of the journey that you'd like to teach other folks 35 00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:06,841 - in your workshops. - Yeah. 36 00:02:06,841 --> 00:02:07,925 {\an8}If you wouldn't mind, 37 00:02:07,925 --> 00:02:09,719 {\an8}I'd go through the exercise right now. 38 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:11,387 - Uh... - Go ahead. What is it? 39 00:02:11,387 --> 00:02:13,514 So, can we all do it together? 40 00:02:13,514 --> 00:02:15,099 - Yeah. Do we stand? - Yeah. Yeah, we stand for it. 41 00:02:15,099 --> 00:02:16,183 - Okay. - Okay. 42 00:02:16,183 --> 00:02:18,185 It's very, very simple. I start every day like this. 43 00:02:18,185 --> 00:02:19,978 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 44 00:02:19,978 --> 00:02:22,398 you're stretching, and this is more for you and less for you. 45 00:02:22,398 --> 00:02:24,775 {\an8}You're stretching up like this, 46 00:02:24,775 --> 00:02:26,067 {\an8}- and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 47 00:02:26,067 --> 00:02:28,236 {\an8}What you're doing is you're stretching 48 00:02:28,236 --> 00:02:29,570 {\an8}out of your whiteness. 49 00:02:29,570 --> 00:02:31,697 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 50 00:02:31,697 --> 00:02:33,449 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 51 00:02:34,158 --> 00:02:36,827 You're probably wondering if this is real. 52 00:02:36,827 --> 00:02:38,871 The answer is yes. It's real. 53 00:02:38,871 --> 00:02:41,873 That's me. Matt Walsh. In real life. 54 00:02:41,873 --> 00:02:44,376 With the man bun and the skinny jeans 55 00:02:44,376 --> 00:02:48,838 on an actual news show as a certified DEI expert. 56 00:02:48,838 --> 00:02:49,923 {\an8}If you don't know, 57 00:02:49,923 --> 00:02:53,509 {\an8}DEI stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion. 58 00:02:53,509 --> 00:02:55,469 {\an8}It's all the rage right now. 59 00:02:55,469 --> 00:02:56,970 {\an8}But you're still probably asking, 60 00:02:56,970 --> 00:02:59,640 {\an8}what am I doing on this TV show? 61 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:01,349 How did I get there? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 How did I get there? 62 00:03:01,349 --> 00:03:05,562 And how did I become a certified DEI expert? 63 00:03:05,562 --> 00:03:08,148 Well, it's a complicated story. 64 00:03:08,148 --> 00:03:10,525 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 65 00:03:49,644 --> 00:03:52,105 I've been a white guy my whole life. 66 00:03:52,856 --> 00:03:54,190 Growing up in the '90s, 67 00:03:54,190 --> 00:03:56,150 I never thought much about race. 68 00:03:56,150 --> 00:03:57,735 I mean, yeah, sure, 69 00:03:57,735 --> 00:03:59,445 you noticed if somebody was Black 70 00:03:59,445 --> 00:04:01,572 or white or Mexican, or whatever, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 or white or Mexican, or whatever, 71 00:04:01,572 --> 00:04:04,407 but it never really seemed to matter that much. 72 00:04:04,407 --> 00:04:05,533 At least not to me. 73 00:04:05,533 --> 00:04:07,702 And we think the vast majority of Americans are racist? 74 00:04:07,702 --> 00:04:09,204 That's what I'm trying... I totally understand. 75 00:04:09,204 --> 00:04:11,748 I think that there is a significant portion, 76 00:04:11,748 --> 00:04:13,082 um, that are racist 77 00:04:13,082 --> 00:04:15,001 - and you can't... - MATT: These days, though, 78 00:04:15,001 --> 00:04:17,794 we're told that racial tensions are high. 79 00:04:17,794 --> 00:04:19,505 It's all over the media. 80 00:04:19,505 --> 00:04:22,174 There are a lot of racists in this country. 81 00:04:22,174 --> 00:04:23,800 {\an8}MAN: We're doing a big story about race in America. 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,885 {\an8}Race in America. 83 00:04:24,885 --> 00:04:26,219 {\an8}KAMALA HARRIS: Black, Latino, 84 00:04:26,219 --> 00:04:28,930 {\an8}and Indigenous people are suffering and dying... 85 00:04:28,930 --> 00:04:30,390 {\an8}Violent, white supremacy. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Violent, white supremacy. 86 00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:31,474 {\an8}- White... - White... 87 00:04:31,474 --> 00:04:33,393 {\an8}- White entitlement. - This is America. 88 00:04:33,393 --> 00:04:36,020 {\an8}REPORTER: Overnight growing national unrest. 89 00:04:36,020 --> 00:04:38,523 {\an8}We've gotta do the work. 90 00:04:39,982 --> 00:04:42,151 - Coffee? - Yes. Thank you. 91 00:04:42,151 --> 00:04:43,443 How do you take it? 92 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:47,447 [TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 93 00:04:51,743 --> 00:04:52,869 - [MUSIC STOPS] - Black. 94 00:04:59,458 --> 00:05:01,043 That was awkward. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That was awkward. 95 00:05:01,043 --> 00:05:03,128 Should I not have said "black"? 96 00:05:03,128 --> 00:05:04,713 That's how I like my coffee. 97 00:05:04,713 --> 00:05:06,798 I don't like cream. Is that so wrong? 98 00:05:06,798 --> 00:05:08,675 I don't think the two should be mixed. 99 00:05:08,675 --> 00:05:10,135 Okay, that does sound racist. 100 00:05:10,135 --> 00:05:12,387 Wait, am I racist? 101 00:05:12,887 --> 00:05:13,971 What is racism? 102 00:05:13,971 --> 00:05:17,599 If I'm gonna sort this out, I need to talk to an expert. 103 00:05:17,599 --> 00:05:20,436 Preferably someone outside of my bubble. 104 00:05:20,436 --> 00:05:22,063 Somebody who can speak with authority 105 00:05:22,063 --> 00:05:24,315 about the Black experience in America. 106 00:05:25,065 --> 00:05:26,775 Or I'll just talk to this white woman. 107 00:05:26,775 --> 00:05:27,984 {\an8}This is Kate Slater. 108 00:05:27,984 --> 00:05:30,278 {\an8}She's an anti-racist scholar and educator. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 She's an anti-racist scholar and educator. 109 00:05:30,278 --> 00:05:32,113 - Hi. Nice... - Nice to meet ya. How are ya? 110 00:05:32,113 --> 00:05:33,781 And you are the co-creator 111 00:05:33,781 --> 00:05:35,616 of something called the Anti-Racist 112 00:05:35,616 --> 00:05:37,076 - Roadmap. - Roadmap. Yeah. 113 00:05:37,076 --> 00:05:38,285 So, what... what is that? 114 00:05:38,285 --> 00:05:41,872 After 2020, we saw 115 00:05:41,872 --> 00:05:44,416 a lot of white people saying, 116 00:05:44,416 --> 00:05:47,836 "Okay, I know I need to do the work, 117 00:05:47,836 --> 00:05:49,421 "but I don't know what the work is." 118 00:05:49,421 --> 00:05:51,005 So what is the work? 119 00:05:51,005 --> 00:05:53,632 - [CHUCKLES DRILY] - 'Cause I wanna do... 120 00:05:53,632 --> 00:05:54,717 - The work. - Do that. 121 00:05:54,717 --> 00:05:56,135 I wanna do it too, but I don't know what... 122 00:05:56,135 --> 00:05:57,220 What is the work? 123 00:05:57,220 --> 00:06:01,307 I think, for white folks, the work is X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I think, for white folks, the work is 124 00:06:01,307 --> 00:06:04,476 reallocating our resources and privileges 125 00:06:04,476 --> 00:06:07,312 to balance out systemic inequities. 126 00:06:07,312 --> 00:06:10,648 So that means there is a white person who says, 127 00:06:10,648 --> 00:06:12,692 "Okay, I'm ready to interrupt racism," 128 00:06:12,692 --> 00:06:14,276 or, "I'm gonna be really nice 129 00:06:14,276 --> 00:06:15,612 "to that Black or brown person," 130 00:06:15,612 --> 00:06:17,238 because that's the work. 131 00:06:17,238 --> 00:06:19,490 But they're never willing to interrupt 132 00:06:19,490 --> 00:06:20,950 their shitty racist uncle. 133 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:22,493 That's a powerful example for me. 134 00:06:22,493 --> 00:06:23,827 You mentioned a racist uncle. 135 00:06:23,827 --> 00:06:25,829 - [LAUGHS] I've got one, too. - Yeah. 136 00:06:25,829 --> 00:06:27,288 Well, you're saying, 137 00:06:27,288 --> 00:06:28,874 sometimes we have to confront those people. 138 00:06:28,874 --> 00:06:30,250 Oh, absolutely. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Oh, absolutely. 139 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:32,919 Because if you're not going to confront them, who is? 140 00:06:32,919 --> 00:06:35,088 When is the right age to talk to our kids 141 00:06:35,088 --> 00:06:36,339 about their racism? 142 00:06:36,881 --> 00:06:39,842 Before they can talk. [LAUGHING] 143 00:06:39,842 --> 00:06:41,135 I mean it. I... 144 00:06:41,135 --> 00:06:42,970 So my six-month-old baby, I used... 145 00:06:42,970 --> 00:06:45,264 Why the hell not? Why the hell not? 146 00:06:45,805 --> 00:06:47,432 My six-month-old... 147 00:06:47,432 --> 00:06:49,226 And honestly, they've gone through six months of life, 148 00:06:49,226 --> 00:06:51,436 I've never talked to them about racism. 149 00:06:51,436 --> 00:06:53,479 So my daughter's four years old. 150 00:06:53,479 --> 00:06:56,690 I am an anti-racist educator, quote-unquote. 151 00:06:56,690 --> 00:06:58,401 She's still watching Disney movies, 152 00:06:58,401 --> 00:07:01,945 and she is choosing a white princess over X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and she is choosing a white princess over 153 00:07:01,945 --> 00:07:03,406 princesses of color. 154 00:07:03,406 --> 00:07:04,490 Have you talked to her about that? 155 00:07:04,490 --> 00:07:05,616 All the time. 156 00:07:05,616 --> 00:07:07,826 My three-year-old daughter is very... 157 00:07:07,826 --> 00:07:09,536 Her favorite princess is Moana. 158 00:07:09,536 --> 00:07:11,204 - Love it. - It's a good sign. 159 00:07:11,204 --> 00:07:13,331 - Yeah. - But then I also thought, 160 00:07:13,873 --> 00:07:16,417 you know, it's a little bit of cultural appropriation here. 161 00:07:16,417 --> 00:07:17,960 She wants to be Moana for Halloween. 162 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,045 Mm-hmm. 163 00:07:19,045 --> 00:07:21,130 So, how do we navigate that? 164 00:07:21,130 --> 00:07:24,175 - [SIGHS] - Do I go and buy 165 00:07:24,175 --> 00:07:26,802 the Pacific Islander native attire 166 00:07:26,802 --> 00:07:28,261 for my white three-year-old? 167 00:07:28,261 --> 00:07:30,681 Um, I wouldn't. I [BLEEP] wouldn't. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Um, I wouldn't. I [BLEEP] wouldn't. 168 00:07:30,681 --> 00:07:33,599 But I guess, what we might call the Moana problem here 169 00:07:33,599 --> 00:07:37,145 is what, uh, on one hand, is cultural appropriation. 170 00:07:37,145 --> 00:07:38,354 On the other hand, 171 00:07:38,354 --> 00:07:42,107 there's gravitating towards white characters. 172 00:07:42,107 --> 00:07:44,609 - Right. - So it's almost like 173 00:07:44,609 --> 00:07:47,362 no matter which way you go, 174 00:07:47,362 --> 00:07:49,281 - you end up back... - Right. 175 00:07:49,281 --> 00:07:50,699 ...in racism. 176 00:07:50,699 --> 00:07:52,158 We think every space belongs to us 177 00:07:52,158 --> 00:07:54,327 because we live in a white supremacist society. 178 00:07:54,327 --> 00:07:58,456 Is America an inherently racist country? 179 00:07:59,582 --> 00:08:04,044 I think the word "inherent" is challenging there. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I think the word "inherent" is challenging there. 180 00:08:04,044 --> 00:08:05,713 - If we say... - Fundamentally. 181 00:08:05,713 --> 00:08:07,464 Fundamentally, yes. 182 00:08:07,464 --> 00:08:09,424 America is racist to its bones. 183 00:08:10,175 --> 00:08:11,509 - All of the... - So, inherently. 184 00:08:11,509 --> 00:08:12,677 Yeah. 185 00:08:12,677 --> 00:08:14,596 Just to put it as bluntly as possible, 186 00:08:14,596 --> 00:08:16,639 am I racist? 187 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,017 Every white person in America has grown up in a country 188 00:08:20,017 --> 00:08:23,312 where race and racism make up the fabric of our society. 189 00:08:23,312 --> 00:08:25,522 So I don't think anyone moves through this world 190 00:08:25,522 --> 00:08:28,149 with a non-bias, non-racist world view. 191 00:08:28,149 --> 00:08:30,235 So the answer's yes, I am racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So the answer's yes, I am racist. 192 00:08:30,819 --> 00:08:31,945 You said it 193 00:08:32,487 --> 00:08:34,906 What do you recommend to people for resources 194 00:08:34,906 --> 00:08:38,201 if they're just starting on their anti-racist path? 195 00:08:38,201 --> 00:08:39,535 Go to the bookstore 196 00:08:39,535 --> 00:08:40,870 if you're not reading these books. 197 00:08:40,870 --> 00:08:42,622 And then applying what you've learned, 198 00:08:42,622 --> 00:08:45,082 taking what you read about and saying, 199 00:08:45,082 --> 00:08:46,666 "Hey, racist uncle, 200 00:08:46,666 --> 00:08:48,585 "I think we should talk about this." 201 00:08:48,585 --> 00:08:49,711 That you're no good. 202 00:08:49,711 --> 00:08:52,839 I've never, uh, confronted my own racist uncle. 203 00:08:52,839 --> 00:08:54,090 I haven't confronted him. 204 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:56,843 But it's not ever too late. 205 00:08:56,843 --> 00:08:57,927 No. 206 00:08:58,594 --> 00:08:59,887 No. 207 00:08:59,887 --> 00:09:02,055 Sometimes it means having the conversation X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sometimes it means having the conversation 208 00:09:02,055 --> 00:09:04,224 that you've been knowing in your heart, 209 00:09:04,224 --> 00:09:06,018 you've been putting off for years. 210 00:09:06,018 --> 00:09:07,102 MATT: Hmm. 211 00:09:08,145 --> 00:09:11,314 If Kate Slater's right, then it's all worse than I thought. 212 00:09:11,314 --> 00:09:14,359 America is racist down to its bones. 213 00:09:14,359 --> 00:09:16,110 And my Uncle Frank, 214 00:09:16,110 --> 00:09:18,279 well, I'll deal with him later. 215 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:20,156 For now, I've got a lot of reading to do. 216 00:09:20,156 --> 00:09:22,449 {\an8}[LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 217 00:09:37,297 --> 00:09:39,674 {\an8}So we do have books on anti-racism, 218 00:09:39,674 --> 00:09:41,133 uh, kind of all throughout the store. 219 00:09:41,133 --> 00:09:42,427 There's a lot of, like, newer stuff 220 00:09:42,427 --> 00:09:44,219 that tends to go on the main floor first, but... 221 00:09:44,219 --> 00:09:46,096 {\an8}- Yeah. - ...the bulk of our section, 222 00:09:46,096 --> 00:09:47,306 {\an8}we keep over here. 223 00:09:47,306 --> 00:09:49,099 This is all anti-racism? 224 00:09:49,099 --> 00:09:53,019 Yeah. This section is really just books on anti-racism, 225 00:09:53,019 --> 00:09:54,938 and a lot of the history of racism, 226 00:09:54,938 --> 00:09:56,439 particularly in the United States. 227 00:09:56,439 --> 00:09:58,357 Am I even allowed to touch this one? 228 00:09:58,357 --> 00:10:00,026 Some of these books are provocative. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Some of these books are provocative. 229 00:10:00,026 --> 00:10:01,569 WOMAN: Yes. Definitely. [CHUCKLES] 230 00:10:01,569 --> 00:10:05,406 So, what... Am I allowed to even read this one? 231 00:10:05,406 --> 00:10:06,657 WOMAN: I think you're allowed to read it. 232 00:10:06,657 --> 00:10:09,618 I would not perhaps say the title. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 233 00:10:09,618 --> 00:10:11,995 So I couldn't call you up and say, "Do you have..." 234 00:10:12,913 --> 00:10:16,333 You might say it's a book that starts with "N" 235 00:10:16,333 --> 00:10:17,709 - and it's by this author. - Yeah. 236 00:10:17,709 --> 00:10:19,586 If you were looking for that in particular. 237 00:10:19,586 --> 00:10:20,837 That's probably a level up 238 00:10:20,837 --> 00:10:22,046 - from where I am. - [LAUGHS] 239 00:10:22,046 --> 00:10:23,464 How many of these do you think we need to... 240 00:10:23,464 --> 00:10:26,050 need to get through before we can really understand? 241 00:10:26,050 --> 00:10:29,970 Start with one book, let it sit, see how you feel. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 242 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:31,888 I feel like reading one book kind of gets you 243 00:10:31,888 --> 00:10:33,056 into a place where it's like, 244 00:10:33,056 --> 00:10:35,433 "You know what? I do want to do more about this." 245 00:10:35,433 --> 00:10:37,936 These are all staff recommendations. 246 00:10:37,936 --> 00:10:40,980 {\an8}Uh, they're all fiction, written by diverse authors, 247 00:10:40,980 --> 00:10:42,732 {\an8}and they're all pretty fun. 248 00:10:42,732 --> 00:10:45,651 Dumb question. You said diverse authors. 249 00:10:45,651 --> 00:10:47,069 What's a diverse person? 250 00:10:47,069 --> 00:10:49,613 Uh, that would be basically people who aren't white, 251 00:10:49,613 --> 00:10:50,822 [CHUCKLES] essentially. 252 00:10:50,822 --> 00:10:53,032 - So, Black, Latinx... - So we can't... 253 00:10:53,032 --> 00:10:55,118 ...Native American, Asian... 254 00:10:55,118 --> 00:10:57,161 So everybody who's not white is diverse. 255 00:10:57,161 --> 00:10:58,537 Well... 256 00:10:58,537 --> 00:11:00,581 Unless you're... say, gay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Unless you're... say, gay. 257 00:11:00,581 --> 00:11:02,083 Yeah. I mean, 258 00:11:02,083 --> 00:11:04,085 it's not just reading Black people, but, you know, 259 00:11:04,085 --> 00:11:05,836 every... Like, there are a lot of different groups 260 00:11:05,836 --> 00:11:08,380 that have faced persecution, and have had a hard time, 261 00:11:08,380 --> 00:11:10,799 and, you know, just being a white, 262 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,760 straight, cisgender person, usually a man, 263 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,012 it's like kind of the top of the pile. 264 00:11:16,012 --> 00:11:17,639 - But, uh... - That's me. 265 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:18,723 [LAUGHS] 266 00:11:18,723 --> 00:11:20,016 So I'm on the top of the pile. 267 00:11:20,016 --> 00:11:22,184 - Uh... You know... - Where should I start? 268 00:11:22,184 --> 00:11:23,269 White Women , uh, 269 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:25,062 by Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 270 00:11:25,062 --> 00:11:28,274 {\an8}Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 271 00:11:28,274 --> 00:11:30,108 Basically, this book is saying, like, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Basically, this book is saying, like, 272 00:11:30,108 --> 00:11:32,903 "We need to stop being nice about racism," 273 00:11:32,903 --> 00:11:35,697 'cause nothing has been advanced by being nice. 274 00:11:35,697 --> 00:11:37,573 {\an8}White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo. 275 00:11:37,573 --> 00:11:39,325 {\an8}Hearing from another white person 276 00:11:39,325 --> 00:11:41,619 {\an8}about ways to have these conversations, 277 00:11:41,619 --> 00:11:43,579 {\an8}and ways to break through your own white fragility, 278 00:11:43,579 --> 00:11:45,581 {\an8}I think, is a really good place to start. 279 00:11:45,581 --> 00:11:47,332 Well, a lot to learn, 280 00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:49,043 but we have all the materials here, 281 00:11:49,043 --> 00:11:50,877 - I think... - [CHUCKLES] 282 00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:52,129 ...to start the journey. 283 00:11:52,129 --> 00:11:54,423 - [INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING] - Beautiful bookstore. 284 00:11:54,423 --> 00:11:56,550 Thank you. We're fond of it. 285 00:11:58,509 --> 00:11:59,510 Thank you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 286 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:02,263 Have a good day. 287 00:12:03,222 --> 00:12:05,433 {\an8}[SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 288 00:12:13,315 --> 00:12:16,193 {\an8}MAN: Robin DiAngelo's 2018 book, White Fragility, 289 00:12:16,193 --> 00:12:17,277 {\an8}catapulted to the top 290 00:12:17,277 --> 00:12:18,945 {\an8}o f the New York Times best sellers' list. 291 00:12:18,945 --> 00:12:21,197 {\an8}GAYLE KING: Robin DiAngelo is a sociologist, 292 00:12:21,197 --> 00:12:22,615 {\an8}and she's author of this book. 293 00:12:22,615 --> 00:12:24,826 Everyone, please check out her book, White Fragility. 294 00:12:24,826 --> 00:12:26,452 {\an8}Everyone else in the world has. 295 00:12:26,452 --> 00:12:28,454 {\an8}White Fragility, which is, in many cases, 296 00:12:28,454 --> 00:12:30,122 the Bible for white people... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 the Bible for white people... 297 00:12:30,122 --> 00:12:31,498 {\an8}This is the book that we'll be reading. 298 00:12:31,498 --> 00:12:34,167 {\an8}- White Fragility. - Crucial and seminal book. 299 00:12:34,167 --> 00:12:35,794 {\an8}WOMAN: New York Times best-selling list 300 00:12:35,794 --> 00:12:37,003 {\an8}for the third year. 301 00:12:39,547 --> 00:12:42,508 {\an8}MATT: "Racism is the norm rather than an aberration. 302 00:12:43,176 --> 00:12:45,470 "Anti-Blackness is foundational 303 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:47,805 "to our very identities as white people." 304 00:12:47,805 --> 00:12:48,889 DIANGELO: As a white person, 305 00:12:48,889 --> 00:12:51,808 {\an8}I was just raised to expect the world to be mine. 306 00:12:51,808 --> 00:12:54,060 That's how difficult we are. 307 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:55,144 Wow. 308 00:12:55,144 --> 00:12:58,106 That's how big, uh, a-holes we are. [LAUGHS] 309 00:12:58,106 --> 00:12:59,190 Yeah. 310 00:12:59,733 --> 00:13:01,776 MATT: "White identity is inherently racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MATT: "White identity is inherently racist. 311 00:13:01,776 --> 00:13:03,027 "White people do not exist 312 00:13:03,027 --> 00:13:05,654 "outside the system of white supremacy." 313 00:13:05,654 --> 00:13:09,116 {\an8}When we say "I'm not racist," what we're conveying 314 00:13:09,116 --> 00:13:11,869 {\an8}is that we're clueless about what racism is. 315 00:13:11,869 --> 00:13:13,661 {\an8}And I would just ask white Americans 316 00:13:13,661 --> 00:13:16,039 {\an8}to remove that phrase from their vocabulary. 317 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:17,499 {\an8}"I'm not racist." 318 00:13:19,167 --> 00:13:20,835 MATT: "Anger, fear, and guilts, 319 00:13:20,835 --> 00:13:23,462 "and behavior such as argumentation silence 320 00:13:23,462 --> 00:13:26,548 "and withdrawal. These responses work to 321 00:13:26,548 --> 00:13:29,760 {\an8}"maintain our dominance within the racial hierarchy. 322 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,514 {\an8}"I conceptualize this process as white fragility." X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 "I conceptualize this process as white fragility." 323 00:13:38,101 --> 00:13:40,270 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 324 00:13:40,270 --> 00:13:42,397 Robin DiAngelo was right. 325 00:13:42,397 --> 00:13:44,064 Coming to terms with my whiteness 326 00:13:44,064 --> 00:13:45,650 was not going to be easy. 327 00:13:46,401 --> 00:13:48,068 Fortunately, I found a support group 328 00:13:48,068 --> 00:13:50,195 that can help me with my white privilege, 329 00:13:50,195 --> 00:13:53,823 {\an8}run by an anti-racist expert who specializes in grief. 330 00:13:53,823 --> 00:13:56,993 Her fee was $30,000 to host this workshop, 331 00:13:56,993 --> 00:13:59,328 so, obviously, she must be the best. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 332 00:14:00,121 --> 00:14:02,456 But I'm worried that, as a well-known conservative, 333 00:14:02,456 --> 00:14:05,501 the support group may not welcome me into their fold. 334 00:14:06,669 --> 00:14:07,753 Maybe I'll use a different name 335 00:14:07,753 --> 00:14:09,380 to help me blend in. 336 00:14:09,838 --> 00:14:12,257 Whatever it takes to continue this journey. 337 00:14:12,257 --> 00:14:14,467 WADE: All right. So, typically, I like 338 00:14:14,467 --> 00:14:17,304 to open up the space with a brief meditation, 339 00:14:17,304 --> 00:14:19,264 so if you feel comfortable, 340 00:14:19,264 --> 00:14:21,974 please ground yourself in your seats. 341 00:14:21,974 --> 00:14:23,643 Close your eyes 342 00:14:23,643 --> 00:14:27,229 and just allow yourself to be fully present in the space. 343 00:14:27,229 --> 00:14:29,231 Whatever that means. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 344 00:14:51,251 --> 00:14:52,711 Are we meditating? 345 00:14:53,295 --> 00:14:54,421 Okay. Sorry. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 346 00:15:08,684 --> 00:15:11,729 When you are ready, open your eyes 347 00:15:11,729 --> 00:15:13,230 and rejoin the space. 348 00:15:16,483 --> 00:15:17,943 All right. So is everybody excited 349 00:15:17,943 --> 00:15:20,153 to talk about anti-racism and grief? 350 00:15:20,153 --> 00:15:22,489 - Absolutely. - [ALL LAUGHING] 351 00:15:22,489 --> 00:15:23,698 WADE: Okay. 352 00:15:23,698 --> 00:15:26,242 So, I usually like to get this started 353 00:15:26,242 --> 00:15:28,410 by just introducing ourselves. 354 00:15:28,410 --> 00:15:30,704 If you could please pronounce your name. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 If you could please pronounce your name. 355 00:15:30,704 --> 00:15:32,664 Uh, please share your pronouns, 356 00:15:32,664 --> 00:15:34,082 how you're feeling today, 357 00:15:34,082 --> 00:15:35,626 as well as the weirdest compliment 358 00:15:35,626 --> 00:15:36,752 you have ever received. 359 00:15:36,752 --> 00:15:40,046 My name is Dan. Uh, my pronouns are he/him. 360 00:15:40,046 --> 00:15:42,257 I'm feeling excited today. 361 00:15:42,257 --> 00:15:43,466 And then the weirdest compliment 362 00:15:43,466 --> 00:15:45,343 I think I've ever received... 363 00:15:45,343 --> 00:15:47,303 I was in the online dating sphere, 364 00:15:47,303 --> 00:15:50,180 and I've gotten the "you look much better in person." 365 00:15:50,180 --> 00:15:51,974 - [ALL LAUGHING] - Oh, my God. 366 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:54,726 Um... 367 00:15:55,352 --> 00:15:56,395 If you wanna stand, you can, 368 00:15:56,395 --> 00:15:57,896 - totally, it's okay. - Okay, I'll just sit down. 369 00:15:57,896 --> 00:15:59,231 Uh, I'm Steven. 370 00:15:59,231 --> 00:16:01,566 Uh, pronouns, I'll... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Uh, pronouns, I'll... 371 00:16:01,566 --> 00:16:03,109 you know, I'll have to get back to you on that. 372 00:16:03,109 --> 00:16:07,989 Um, I'm feeling excited, uh, nervous. 373 00:16:07,989 --> 00:16:09,073 WADE: Mm-hmm. 374 00:16:09,073 --> 00:16:10,658 Uh, present. 375 00:16:11,492 --> 00:16:13,285 A little hungry. [CHUCKLES] But... 376 00:16:13,285 --> 00:16:14,870 The strangest compliment I've ever gotten 377 00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:16,914 is I've been complimented, uh, 378 00:16:16,914 --> 00:16:19,291 on the number of Black friends that I have... 379 00:16:19,291 --> 00:16:20,625 WADE: Hmm. MATT: ...in the past. 380 00:16:20,625 --> 00:16:22,835 So, it's 17, um... 381 00:16:23,586 --> 00:16:25,046 it's a number, but, you know... 382 00:16:25,046 --> 00:16:26,548 Sometimes it comes up, but, um... 383 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:29,591 That's what people have said, so... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 384 00:16:30,176 --> 00:16:31,177 WADE: Hmm. 385 00:16:31,928 --> 00:16:33,012 Thank you, everybody, 386 00:16:33,012 --> 00:16:36,181 for being willing to participate 387 00:16:36,181 --> 00:16:38,934 and for, first and foremost, being here. 388 00:16:38,934 --> 00:16:41,061 We will not end systemic racism. 389 00:16:41,061 --> 00:16:44,522 It is not possible for us to dismantle a system 390 00:16:44,522 --> 00:16:46,857 that has been around for 400 years, 391 00:16:46,857 --> 00:16:49,276 and has effectively and efficiently 392 00:16:49,276 --> 00:16:51,529 destroyed the lives of millions of people. 393 00:16:51,529 --> 00:16:54,156 You all have been grandfathered into the system. 394 00:16:54,156 --> 00:16:55,782 We are here to focus on you 395 00:16:55,782 --> 00:16:57,451 and your experience and your grief 396 00:16:57,451 --> 00:16:59,869 because that is the source 397 00:16:59,869 --> 00:17:03,122 of downstream anti-Blackness and racism. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 of downstream anti-Blackness and racism. 398 00:17:03,122 --> 00:17:04,833 And quite frankly, I pray to God 399 00:17:04,833 --> 00:17:06,167 you all feel this uncomfortable. 400 00:17:06,167 --> 00:17:11,422 I will be so happy if you all feel extremely uncomfortable, 401 00:17:11,422 --> 00:17:14,550 if you are truly looking at what white supremacy 402 00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:16,927 has done to not only, um, 403 00:17:16,927 --> 00:17:18,511 African Americans, but to yourselves. 404 00:17:18,511 --> 00:17:21,473 You are here to sit amidst whatever suffering 405 00:17:21,473 --> 00:17:23,475 and pain you are experiencing 406 00:17:23,475 --> 00:17:26,394 for the sake of the liberation of others. 407 00:17:26,936 --> 00:17:28,062 That is love. 408 00:17:28,062 --> 00:17:29,355 I don't know if any of you grew up 409 00:17:29,355 --> 00:17:31,273 with a Christian background. I did. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 with a Christian background. I did. 410 00:17:31,273 --> 00:17:33,025 [CHUCKLES] Uh... 411 00:17:33,025 --> 00:17:35,652 But love is also not always patient and kind. 412 00:17:35,652 --> 00:17:37,946 When we are talking about systemic oppression, 413 00:17:37,946 --> 00:17:40,782 and the role that we are playing to mitigate it, 414 00:17:40,782 --> 00:17:43,159 patience is not needed. 415 00:17:43,159 --> 00:17:44,870 People are dying. 416 00:17:45,745 --> 00:17:48,331 Kindness is not what is called for. 417 00:17:48,331 --> 00:17:49,999 We are here to talk about the fact 418 00:17:49,999 --> 00:17:51,792 that Black Americans are not safe. 419 00:17:51,792 --> 00:17:53,836 If I'm going to be quite frank, 420 00:17:53,836 --> 00:17:55,880 when I do this work, and these types of circles, 421 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,006 I'm not safe. 422 00:17:57,006 --> 00:17:58,757 But I do them out of necessity. 423 00:17:58,757 --> 00:17:59,924 Why are you... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 424 00:18:00,509 --> 00:18:02,386 Why are you not safe in the circle? 425 00:18:02,386 --> 00:18:05,388 Being an African American 426 00:18:05,388 --> 00:18:09,725 in primarily white spaces is not safe for me mentally 427 00:18:09,725 --> 00:18:10,809 or emotionally. 428 00:18:10,809 --> 00:18:12,936 We will go into more depth about that, 429 00:18:12,936 --> 00:18:14,605 but I appreciate that question. 430 00:18:14,605 --> 00:18:17,691 These topics may be difficult, and at times, 431 00:18:17,691 --> 00:18:21,278 you may feel overcome by emotions. That's okay. 432 00:18:21,278 --> 00:18:23,446 There is a room to the left. 433 00:18:23,446 --> 00:18:26,073 If you find that your emotions are, um, 434 00:18:26,073 --> 00:18:27,700 interfering with the group process, 435 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:29,827 I kindly ask you to step aside. 436 00:18:29,827 --> 00:18:31,620 Um, so can we start with you? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Um, so can we start with you? 437 00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:33,830 I'm here because... 438 00:18:35,041 --> 00:18:37,125 I feel like I've been socialized to be an asshole, 439 00:18:37,125 --> 00:18:38,627 and that doesn't feel good. 440 00:18:38,627 --> 00:18:41,171 And my promise to the Black community 441 00:18:41,171 --> 00:18:43,381 is to lean into 442 00:18:43,381 --> 00:18:46,551 being brave and uncomfortable, 443 00:18:46,551 --> 00:18:49,429 and to love in inconvenient ways. 444 00:18:49,429 --> 00:18:50,513 Thank you. 445 00:18:50,513 --> 00:18:55,017 Well, I'm here on a journey towards 446 00:18:55,017 --> 00:18:58,603 a brighter future, uh, for myself 447 00:18:58,603 --> 00:19:01,231 and for, you know, hopefully, the world. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and for, you know, hopefully, the world. 448 00:19:01,231 --> 00:19:04,067 My promise to myself is love. 449 00:19:04,734 --> 00:19:05,944 To love myself. 450 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,362 Which is so important, 451 00:19:08,362 --> 00:19:09,906 and I've struggled so much with that. 452 00:19:10,614 --> 00:19:11,615 [SNIFFLES] 453 00:19:13,075 --> 00:19:14,159 I've struggled so much with it 454 00:19:14,159 --> 00:19:16,745 in my life, to find myself. Um... 455 00:19:17,496 --> 00:19:19,790 My promise to the Black communities... 456 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:21,666 [SIGHS] to be so much better. 457 00:19:23,501 --> 00:19:26,045 So much better than I have been to them. 458 00:19:27,714 --> 00:19:29,841 To be better in so many better ways. 459 00:19:29,841 --> 00:19:32,760 To better myself. To better the world. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 To better myself. To better the world. 460 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,386 And I know that I haven't been better. 461 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:36,305 I haven't been. 462 00:19:37,556 --> 00:19:38,724 But I'm going to be. 463 00:19:40,392 --> 00:19:41,518 That's my promise. 464 00:19:44,479 --> 00:19:45,563 WADE: Thank you. 465 00:19:47,398 --> 00:19:48,399 Oh. 466 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:54,572 I am here with the intention 467 00:19:54,572 --> 00:19:56,615 to understand 468 00:19:56,615 --> 00:20:00,410 and learn and, um... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and learn and, um... 469 00:20:02,204 --> 00:20:03,872 - dig a little bit into... - I'm sorry, can I... 470 00:20:03,872 --> 00:20:05,457 I forgot one other thing I wanted to promise 471 00:20:05,457 --> 00:20:06,666 - the Black community. - Um... 472 00:20:06,666 --> 00:20:08,626 It's really important that we don't interrupt 473 00:20:08,626 --> 00:20:09,710 each other during the group. 474 00:20:09,710 --> 00:20:10,920 - Oh, I'm sorry. - But I appreciate... 475 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,838 I have one other promise for the Black... 476 00:20:12,838 --> 00:20:14,465 - We can circle back around. - Thank you. 477 00:20:14,465 --> 00:20:15,674 Are we going to circle back around? 478 00:20:15,674 --> 00:20:17,092 No. No. Uh... 479 00:20:17,092 --> 00:20:19,094 Other things will come up. That's part of the process. 480 00:20:19,094 --> 00:20:20,721 But I want to be very sure 481 00:20:20,721 --> 00:20:22,222 that we respect everybody's time. 482 00:20:22,222 --> 00:20:24,224 Okay. I didn't want someone else to take my promise 483 00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:25,683 to the Black community that I was gonna make. 484 00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:28,144 Well, thank you. Please continue. 485 00:20:28,770 --> 00:20:31,355 The promise that I am making to myself X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 The promise that I am making to myself 486 00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:33,440 is to be elastic. 487 00:20:33,983 --> 00:20:36,902 To use my voice and my privilege, 488 00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:38,404 to be heard. 489 00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:39,488 Uh, to... 490 00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:40,656 That's what I was gonna say, but... 491 00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:42,365 - Please allow her to finish. - Sorry. 492 00:20:42,991 --> 00:20:45,368 If we think about the construction of whiteness 493 00:20:45,368 --> 00:20:46,452 as an identity, 494 00:20:46,452 --> 00:20:49,830 it makes sense that the seeds of white supremacy 495 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:51,624 are buried within your subconscious, 496 00:20:51,624 --> 00:20:54,168 whether or not you realize it, and without your consent. 497 00:20:54,168 --> 00:20:57,880 It is often uncommon for white Americans 498 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,174 to be aware of their privilege, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 to be aware of their privilege, 499 00:21:00,174 --> 00:21:02,967 let alone how it's functioning on a day-to-day basis. 500 00:21:02,967 --> 00:21:04,428 You said, a moment ago... 501 00:21:04,428 --> 00:21:06,596 - Um, there'll be an oppor... - Can I say something? 502 00:21:06,596 --> 00:21:08,264 Uh, yes. Ask a question. 503 00:21:08,264 --> 00:21:09,348 You said, a moment ago, 504 00:21:09,348 --> 00:21:10,809 that the seeds of white supremacy 505 00:21:11,517 --> 00:21:13,644 - are in all of us. - Yes. 506 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,230 How do we get them out? 507 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,106 That's what the presentation... 508 00:21:18,106 --> 00:21:20,192 We're going through the presentation to discuss that. 509 00:21:20,192 --> 00:21:21,443 If there is another interruption, 510 00:21:21,443 --> 00:21:23,153 I'm going to have to respectfully ask you 511 00:21:23,153 --> 00:21:25,947 to step out and go to the second room to the left. 512 00:21:25,947 --> 00:21:28,575 But next time, I am gonna have to ask you to leave, okay? 513 00:21:28,575 --> 00:21:29,951 Leave for good? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 514 00:21:29,951 --> 00:21:33,245 Just until you're able to rejoin the group 515 00:21:33,245 --> 00:21:35,664 and participate without interruption. 516 00:21:36,457 --> 00:21:37,624 - Yeah? - That's fair. 517 00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:38,709 Okay. Thank you. 518 00:21:39,293 --> 00:21:40,544 [EXHALES LOUDLY] 519 00:21:40,544 --> 00:21:44,047 White supremacy has essentially created a system 520 00:21:44,047 --> 00:21:45,674 driven by grief, 521 00:21:45,674 --> 00:21:48,593 and that is why we are here to discuss 522 00:21:48,593 --> 00:21:50,678 white grief in particular. 523 00:21:50,678 --> 00:21:53,348 I would like you to close your eyes 524 00:21:54,223 --> 00:21:58,018 and spend the next 30 seconds 525 00:21:58,018 --> 00:21:59,603 thinking about, 526 00:21:59,603 --> 00:22:02,856 what does that loss feel like in your body? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 what does that loss feel like in your body? 527 00:22:03,982 --> 00:22:05,692 It feels like a thousand knives 528 00:22:06,526 --> 00:22:07,819 plunging into my soul. 529 00:22:11,197 --> 00:22:12,698 And a sack being... 530 00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:16,702 hit by bats and bricks. 531 00:22:17,203 --> 00:22:20,748 And the whole sack is thrown into the ocean. 532 00:22:21,373 --> 00:22:22,499 Thank you. 533 00:22:22,499 --> 00:22:23,751 That's what it feels like. 534 00:22:24,584 --> 00:22:25,752 And it's very... it's... 535 00:22:25,752 --> 00:22:27,087 - Oh, um... - What? 536 00:22:27,087 --> 00:22:28,380 We're moving to her now. 537 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,382 I... I didn't finish. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I... I didn't finish. 538 00:22:31,048 --> 00:22:32,049 Please finish. 539 00:22:32,049 --> 00:22:33,134 MATT: Um... 540 00:22:34,218 --> 00:22:35,219 The sack's thrown into the ocean, 541 00:22:35,219 --> 00:22:36,678 then the sack's taken out, 542 00:22:37,972 --> 00:22:39,431 and it's set on fire. 543 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:41,267 [MATT SMACKS LIPS] 544 00:22:42,476 --> 00:22:44,395 - Thank you. - That's what it feels like. 545 00:22:44,395 --> 00:22:48,148 I have spent a lot of time in primarily white spaces. 546 00:22:48,815 --> 00:22:51,192 For better or worse. [LAUGHS] So... 547 00:22:51,192 --> 00:22:54,404 And that has come with a cost. 548 00:22:54,404 --> 00:22:56,155 How long will it take until 549 00:22:56,155 --> 00:22:59,074 the next microaggression comes up? 550 00:22:59,074 --> 00:23:02,244 These are things that I carry every time X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 These are things that I carry every time 551 00:23:02,244 --> 00:23:05,747 I am in a room with primarily white people. 552 00:23:05,747 --> 00:23:07,081 You're safe here. 553 00:23:07,081 --> 00:23:09,125 I think I speak for all of us when I say, 554 00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:10,835 in this room... 555 00:23:10,835 --> 00:23:11,920 WADE: I... 556 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,587 - One more interruption... - White folks. 557 00:23:13,587 --> 00:23:15,673 ...I'm gonna have to ask you to step out again. 558 00:23:15,673 --> 00:23:16,882 Okay. I just wanted to reassure you. 559 00:23:16,882 --> 00:23:17,966 WADE: Thank you. I appreciate that. 560 00:23:17,966 --> 00:23:19,718 - I just want to. - Thanks. 561 00:23:19,718 --> 00:23:23,221 So, what do you feel in your body 562 00:23:23,221 --> 00:23:26,183 when you hear the term "white people"? 563 00:23:26,183 --> 00:23:28,518 I feel, like, a cringe about it. 564 00:23:28,518 --> 00:23:29,602 "Cringe" is a good word. 565 00:23:29,602 --> 00:23:31,229 - WADE: Cringe? Yeah? - I couldn't pick a word, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - WADE: Cringe? Yeah? - I couldn't pick a word, 566 00:23:31,229 --> 00:23:33,314 - but that's a very good one. - WADE: Okay. 567 00:23:33,314 --> 00:23:35,692 As soon as you asked the question, I felt, 568 00:23:35,692 --> 00:23:37,234 inside, like a gut... 569 00:23:37,234 --> 00:23:40,196 a little bit of a poke. "Ugh." 570 00:23:40,196 --> 00:23:41,655 And I think it's for all of the reasons, 571 00:23:41,655 --> 00:23:43,657 - but also a little anger... - WADE: Mm-hmm. 572 00:23:43,657 --> 00:23:45,909 ...at whiteness as, um, that lie. 573 00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:46,993 Just, "ugh!" 574 00:23:46,993 --> 00:23:49,079 - WADE: Mm-hmm. Thank you. - [MATT SNICKERS] 575 00:23:50,663 --> 00:23:52,248 - [MUMBLES] - WADE: The thing about... 576 00:23:52,248 --> 00:23:53,458 I'm gonna step out for a moment. 577 00:23:53,458 --> 00:23:55,000 Thank you. Appreciate that. 578 00:23:57,545 --> 00:23:58,879 The thing about... 579 00:23:59,504 --> 00:24:00,965 MATT: Which one is the cry room? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MATT: Which one is the cry room? 580 00:24:00,965 --> 00:24:02,757 The second door to the left. 581 00:24:02,757 --> 00:24:03,842 Thank you. 582 00:24:05,302 --> 00:24:07,262 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 583 00:24:07,262 --> 00:24:08,513 MATT: My time in the cry room 584 00:24:08,513 --> 00:24:11,808 allowed me some much-needed reflection and self-care, 585 00:24:11,808 --> 00:24:13,893 but with me out of the room, 586 00:24:13,893 --> 00:24:16,020 the group put two and two together and realized 587 00:24:16,020 --> 00:24:17,813 who I actually was. 588 00:24:17,813 --> 00:24:18,897 Not a guy named Steven. 589 00:24:21,274 --> 00:24:22,943 When I finally returned, 590 00:24:22,943 --> 00:24:25,362 things were drastically different. 591 00:24:26,154 --> 00:24:29,199 When I do this work, the, uh, white participants 592 00:24:29,199 --> 00:24:31,451 in the group feel that there's something in themselves X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 in the group feel that there's something in themselves 593 00:24:31,451 --> 00:24:32,910 - that they have to overcome. - [DOOR OPENS] 594 00:24:33,453 --> 00:24:34,621 When all that's 595 00:24:34,621 --> 00:24:36,247 - being requested of you... - [CLEARS THROAT] 596 00:24:36,247 --> 00:24:38,582 ...is that you be. 597 00:24:38,582 --> 00:24:40,042 - Hello. - MATT: Hi. 598 00:24:40,042 --> 00:24:41,293 WADE: How are you? 599 00:24:42,419 --> 00:24:44,087 - Sorry about that. - Oh, no problem. 600 00:24:45,046 --> 00:24:46,673 - You good? - Yeah. 601 00:24:46,673 --> 00:24:47,924 Remind me of your name again? 602 00:24:47,924 --> 00:24:50,301 Uh... Uh, Steven. 603 00:24:50,301 --> 00:24:51,928 Steven? Yeah? Okay. 604 00:24:51,928 --> 00:24:53,096 Um... 605 00:24:54,264 --> 00:24:56,140 - Did you want to come up? - Come up? 606 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:59,309 Yeah. Do you wanna come up and share anything? 607 00:24:59,769 --> 00:25:01,020 Sure. What do you want me to share? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sure. What do you want me to share? 608 00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:02,396 Whatever's on your mind. 609 00:25:02,396 --> 00:25:04,064 I just want to know that, like, my physical safety 610 00:25:04,064 --> 00:25:06,983 and yours and everybody else's here is okay. 611 00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:09,110 Why would your physical safety not be okay? 612 00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:10,236 Did I miss something? 613 00:25:14,448 --> 00:25:15,574 I don't feel comfortable. 614 00:25:16,910 --> 00:25:18,411 What... Can you guys 615 00:25:18,411 --> 00:25:19,828 catch me up to speed on what's going on here? 616 00:25:19,828 --> 00:25:20,996 You don't need to be caught up. 617 00:25:20,996 --> 00:25:22,831 We're gonna be silent. 618 00:25:23,416 --> 00:25:25,167 Is it because I said I had 17 Black friends? 619 00:25:25,167 --> 00:25:27,127 It might have been 15. I... 620 00:25:27,127 --> 00:25:28,545 It depends on how you count them. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 621 00:25:30,713 --> 00:25:32,674 I would really appreciate it if you left, 622 00:25:32,674 --> 00:25:34,967 so that the people who actually want to be here 623 00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:36,511 and deserve to be here can get what they need. 624 00:25:36,511 --> 00:25:38,470 - I do want to be here. - Can you please leave? 625 00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:40,014 I would like it if you left. 626 00:25:40,014 --> 00:25:41,682 I'm trying to learn. I'm on this journey. 627 00:25:42,266 --> 00:25:43,559 Come with me. 628 00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:44,935 - Well... - WADE: Thank you. 629 00:25:44,935 --> 00:25:47,646 I didn't... I didn't consent to be touched. 630 00:25:47,646 --> 00:25:49,272 I'm not offering to touch you. 631 00:25:49,272 --> 00:25:50,523 I'm offering to walk you out. 632 00:25:50,523 --> 00:25:52,650 Will you walk with me, and I'll answer your questions? 633 00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:54,735 Okay. I'll admit it. 634 00:25:54,735 --> 00:25:56,529 I'll admit it. My name's not Steven. 635 00:25:56,529 --> 00:25:57,822 WADE: Hmm. 636 00:25:57,822 --> 00:25:59,824 Maybe you already knew that. 637 00:25:59,824 --> 00:26:00,908 My name is Matt Walsh. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 My name is Matt Walsh. 638 00:26:00,908 --> 00:26:02,451 - WADE: Mm-hmm - Mm-hmm. We know. 639 00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:06,663 I just was here on this... 640 00:26:06,663 --> 00:26:08,915 on this journey that I'm just starting, but... 641 00:26:09,791 --> 00:26:11,335 I see that I'm not wanted. 642 00:26:11,335 --> 00:26:13,002 If you were on your journey, 643 00:26:13,002 --> 00:26:14,253 then you would've told us who you were 644 00:26:14,253 --> 00:26:15,629 and your real name, but you didn't. 645 00:26:15,629 --> 00:26:16,714 - Please leave. - Are you saying 646 00:26:16,714 --> 00:26:18,049 I need a better disguise? Is that what you... 647 00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:19,383 I don't know. Maybe. 648 00:26:19,383 --> 00:26:20,884 But you can figure that out as you walk out the door. 649 00:26:20,884 --> 00:26:21,969 WOMAN 1: How did you get in here? 650 00:26:21,969 --> 00:26:23,220 WOMAN 2: We all had an invitation. 651 00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:25,347 - Maybe. - Yeah. Maybe. 652 00:26:25,347 --> 00:26:26,807 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 653 00:26:26,807 --> 00:26:27,891 MATT: Thank you so much. 654 00:26:27,891 --> 00:26:31,186 I really had a transformative experience myself. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I really had a transformative experience myself. 655 00:26:31,186 --> 00:26:33,313 And my pronouns are he/him. 656 00:26:40,111 --> 00:26:42,196 [INDISTINCT POLICE RADIO CHATTER] 657 00:26:43,822 --> 00:26:45,907 I did everything I could to fit in. 658 00:26:45,907 --> 00:26:46,992 I opened up. 659 00:26:47,493 --> 00:26:49,661 I was raw and emotional. 660 00:26:49,661 --> 00:26:51,705 I told them about my Black friends. 661 00:26:52,455 --> 00:26:54,874 It was no use. They rejected me. 662 00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:56,292 And they called the police. 663 00:26:57,001 --> 00:26:59,754 My mere presence in the room caused them pain. 664 00:26:59,754 --> 00:27:01,547 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYS] 665 00:27:01,547 --> 00:27:04,008 I'll never be accepted if I look like this. 666 00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:07,094 If they know that I'm Matt Walsh, 667 00:27:07,094 --> 00:27:09,096 I'll always be an outsider. 668 00:27:10,013 --> 00:27:12,015 I need to go deeper undercover. 669 00:27:12,015 --> 00:27:13,558 A whole new identity. 670 00:27:14,183 --> 00:27:16,811 If I want to be an ally, I need to look like one. 671 00:27:17,645 --> 00:27:19,563 Like someone who is progressive, 672 00:27:19,563 --> 00:27:21,607 tolerant, enlightened. 673 00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:22,941 Let me think. 674 00:27:23,651 --> 00:27:25,944 Have I ever met anyone like that? 675 00:27:26,779 --> 00:27:28,071 Ah, yes. 676 00:27:28,071 --> 00:27:29,197 Yes, I have. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 677 00:27:30,991 --> 00:27:32,117 What is a woman? 678 00:27:37,121 --> 00:27:38,540 Why do you ask that question? 679 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,542 [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] 680 00:27:55,721 --> 00:27:56,972 [MUSIC FADING OUT] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 681 00:28:02,061 --> 00:28:04,604 {\an8}It's time to get serious about my anti-racist training. 682 00:28:05,272 --> 00:28:06,315 {\an8}And it's not gonna be cheap. 683 00:28:06,982 --> 00:28:08,525 - Nice to meet you. - I'm Matt. How are you? 684 00:28:08,525 --> 00:28:09,901 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 685 00:28:09,901 --> 00:28:11,570 I guess I'll take my seat here. 686 00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:14,656 [HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYING, DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY] 687 00:28:15,114 --> 00:28:17,033 [RAPPING] ♪ I'ma show ya'll how to stop being racist ♪ 688 00:28:17,033 --> 00:28:18,326 ♪ You gotta do the work though ♪ 689 00:28:19,452 --> 00:28:21,120 BYRD: What is race? 690 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,747 ♪ Okay, don't be a bigot Post a black square ♪ 691 00:28:23,747 --> 00:28:25,999 {\an8}♪ Drink Bud Light Put blue dye in your hair ♪ 692 00:28:25,999 --> 00:28:27,459 {\an8}♪ Tell your sons to put on a dress ♪ 693 00:28:27,459 --> 00:28:29,712 {\an8}♪ Who cares what they wear? Ukraine flag in bio ♪ 694 00:28:29,712 --> 00:28:31,088 ♪ Okay, we're almost there ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Okay, we're almost there ♪ 695 00:28:32,005 --> 00:28:35,883 So it emerged in the late 1600s essentially. 696 00:28:37,134 --> 00:28:39,303 MATT: Did race exist as a reality before? 697 00:28:39,303 --> 00:28:41,305 We made race exist. 698 00:28:41,806 --> 00:28:44,516 ♪ Don't be early for work, that's white supremacy ♪ 699 00:28:44,516 --> 00:28:46,810 ♪ And if you drink, make sure it's Hennessy ♪ 700 00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:49,313 {\an8}♪ Math is racist too, so check the history ♪ 701 00:28:49,313 --> 00:28:51,440 {\an8}♪ And if you don't see it, then check your memory ♪ 702 00:28:52,523 --> 00:28:54,735 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 703 00:28:54,735 --> 00:28:57,487 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 704 00:28:57,487 --> 00:28:59,905 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 705 00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:01,324 ♪ Let go of your white privilege ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Let go of your white privilege ♪ 706 00:29:01,324 --> 00:29:02,533 ♪ Do the work, work, work ♪ 707 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:04,827 Now that we've talked a little bit about what race is, 708 00:29:04,827 --> 00:29:07,287 then what is racism? 709 00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:09,914 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 710 00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:12,376 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 711 00:29:12,376 --> 00:29:14,127 Robin DiAngelo, so she's the author 712 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:15,420 of the book, White Fragility. 713 00:29:16,462 --> 00:29:18,464 {\an8}She talks about the system of racism 714 00:29:18,464 --> 00:29:21,759 that we have in the US is based on white supremacy. 715 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:23,719 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 716 00:29:23,719 --> 00:29:26,389 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 717 00:29:27,556 --> 00:29:29,808 This is why a conversation about reparations 718 00:29:29,808 --> 00:29:31,559 and about repair is important. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and about repair is important. 719 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:34,021 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 720 00:29:34,646 --> 00:29:37,315 Ultimately, should we be a colorblind society is what 721 00:29:37,315 --> 00:29:39,734 Martin Luther King said, not to judge people 722 00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:41,110 by the color of their skin. 723 00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:43,029 Um, so Martin Luther King said a lot of stuff, 724 00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:44,488 but he knew about institutional, 725 00:29:44,488 --> 00:29:46,115 interpersonal and internalized racism. 726 00:29:46,115 --> 00:29:49,034 I've been told, because I'm a white male, 727 00:29:49,034 --> 00:29:51,161 I'm kind of at the top of the pile. 728 00:29:51,161 --> 00:29:53,163 How do I get down from the top 729 00:29:53,163 --> 00:29:55,331 if I say I don't want that advantage? 730 00:29:55,331 --> 00:29:56,457 Um... 731 00:29:56,457 --> 00:29:58,334 I don't think you necessarily can. 732 00:29:58,334 --> 00:30:00,545 [DO THE WORK! CONTINUES PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [DO THE WORK! CONTINUES PLAYING] 733 00:30:03,088 --> 00:30:06,050 {\an8}The reason we cannot be colorblind now 734 00:30:06,050 --> 00:30:08,928 is because we're still working on the problem. 735 00:30:09,386 --> 00:30:11,846 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 736 00:30:11,846 --> 00:30:14,349 ♪ Let go of your white privilege, do the work ♪ 737 00:30:14,349 --> 00:30:16,601 ♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 738 00:30:16,601 --> 00:30:19,437 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 739 00:30:19,437 --> 00:30:21,605 {\an8}♪ Do the work, do the work ♪ 740 00:30:21,605 --> 00:30:23,899 {\an8}♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 741 00:30:31,198 --> 00:30:33,366 [LIGHT ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 742 00:30:34,701 --> 00:30:36,619 I'm DEI certified. How are you? 743 00:30:37,495 --> 00:30:39,163 DEI certified. I'm here to help. 744 00:30:39,997 --> 00:30:42,333 DEI certified. If you need some help, let me know, sir. 745 00:30:47,004 --> 00:30:48,422 I'm DEI certified. 746 00:30:48,422 --> 00:30:49,506 - What? - What? 747 00:30:49,506 --> 00:30:51,091 Let me know if you need some help. I'm DEI certified. 748 00:30:51,091 --> 00:30:52,175 Oh, good. 749 00:30:52,175 --> 00:30:53,677 If you need any help, just let me know. 750 00:30:54,302 --> 00:30:56,512 My name's Matt. I am, uh, certified 751 00:30:56,512 --> 00:30:58,348 in diversity, equity, and inclusion. 752 00:30:58,348 --> 00:31:00,475 Just got my certification. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Just got my certification. 753 00:31:00,475 --> 00:31:02,560 Just letting you know I am DEI certified. 754 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,229 - DEI certified. - What is DEI? 755 00:31:05,229 --> 00:31:07,356 You're in good hands here. I am qualified to have 756 00:31:07,356 --> 00:31:09,233 these kinds of important dialogues. 757 00:31:09,233 --> 00:31:10,317 So I guess I'll start with, 758 00:31:10,317 --> 00:31:12,736 where are you guys in your anti-racist journeys? 759 00:31:14,196 --> 00:31:16,531 Just talk to me about, uh, decentering your whiteness 760 00:31:16,531 --> 00:31:18,157 and where you are on that journey. 761 00:31:18,157 --> 00:31:20,368 -"Decentering my whiteness." - Yeah. 762 00:31:20,368 --> 00:31:23,579 Why do I have to go away from my whiteness 763 00:31:23,579 --> 00:31:24,913 and decentralize it? 764 00:31:24,913 --> 00:31:27,833 I recently actually took a masters level course, 765 00:31:27,833 --> 00:31:30,127 um, about inclusion and diversity. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 um, about inclusion and diversity. 766 00:31:30,127 --> 00:31:32,212 Have you heard of DiversityAndInclusion.com? 767 00:31:32,212 --> 00:31:33,756 I have not. 768 00:31:33,756 --> 00:31:35,173 Couple of different prestigious institutions. 769 00:31:35,173 --> 00:31:37,092 We all go to different schools, but go ahead. 770 00:31:37,092 --> 00:31:39,093 There were some things that, 771 00:31:39,093 --> 00:31:41,763 you know, kind of brought to my thought process 772 00:31:41,763 --> 00:31:43,430 during that course that I had never... 773 00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:44,682 - Like what? - ...thought about before. 774 00:31:44,682 --> 00:31:47,726 Um, just about my own thinking. 775 00:31:47,726 --> 00:31:50,146 When you start thinking about how you feel, 776 00:31:50,146 --> 00:31:51,397 but you maybe don't want to feel. 777 00:31:51,397 --> 00:31:52,856 [CHUCKLES] Does that make sense? 778 00:31:52,856 --> 00:31:55,358 It does make sense. What do you mean? 779 00:31:55,358 --> 00:31:56,442 Um... 780 00:31:56,442 --> 00:31:58,236 All I know is that, like, 781 00:31:58,236 --> 00:32:01,114 I am white, and I am not racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I am white, and I am not racist. 782 00:32:01,114 --> 00:32:02,865 That's how we, uh, deal with racism? 783 00:32:02,865 --> 00:32:05,200 We just... We just say, "Oh, it's not happening." 784 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,869 Yeah, the more you talk about it, 785 00:32:06,869 --> 00:32:10,998 the more you are blatantly acknowledging race. 786 00:32:10,998 --> 00:32:12,457 And if you wanna forget it... 787 00:32:12,457 --> 00:32:14,251 - We have to acknowledge it. - You need to shut up about it. 788 00:32:14,251 --> 00:32:15,377 I don't want to forget about it. 789 00:32:15,377 --> 00:32:17,671 It's cool, like, you can flash your card all you want, 790 00:32:17,671 --> 00:32:19,756 but you gotta be a real human at some point in your life. 791 00:32:19,756 --> 00:32:21,215 - Did you see the card? - I don't give a damn 792 00:32:21,215 --> 00:32:22,884 - about your card, bro. - Let's see it. 793 00:32:22,884 --> 00:32:24,885 Look, we're not gonna solve racism in this conversation, 794 00:32:24,885 --> 00:32:26,429 but we can all agree 795 00:32:26,429 --> 00:32:28,180 that you guys have some things to learn. 796 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:30,391 I feel like you're the most racist person X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I feel like you're the most racist person 797 00:32:30,391 --> 00:32:32,392 - I've ever talked to. - [CHUCKLES] 798 00:32:32,392 --> 00:32:35,103 One of us got the license, the other one didn't, so... 799 00:32:35,103 --> 00:32:38,273 You just sound like a really racist person. 800 00:32:38,273 --> 00:32:39,732 That I am. I've realized that. 801 00:32:39,732 --> 00:32:41,609 - I've been told that. - Why do you admit that? 802 00:32:41,609 --> 00:32:43,736 Because denying it doesn't make it go away. 803 00:32:43,736 --> 00:32:45,279 We can't all be certified experts. 804 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:46,781 - [CHUCKLES] - I mean, I am, 805 00:32:46,781 --> 00:32:48,865 - but we can't all be. - [BOTH LAUGH] 806 00:32:49,366 --> 00:32:50,367 All right. 807 00:32:50,367 --> 00:32:52,035 We're still on a journey, all of us together. 808 00:32:52,035 --> 00:32:53,787 - Yeah. - That's my motto. 809 00:32:54,455 --> 00:32:56,582 I think you got some journeying to do. 810 00:32:57,624 --> 00:32:58,875 MATT: I know I make this look easy, 811 00:32:58,875 --> 00:33:01,794 but DEI work is harder than you think. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 but DEI work is harder than you think. 812 00:33:01,794 --> 00:33:03,546 I still have a lot to learn. 813 00:33:05,089 --> 00:33:06,716 {\an8}A viral video from September 814 00:33:06,716 --> 00:33:09,885 {\an8}at ASU's multi-cultural center ignited a firestorm. 815 00:33:09,885 --> 00:33:12,096 - What'd I do wrong? - WOMAN 1: You have a bag... 816 00:33:12,096 --> 00:33:13,763 WOMAN 2: You're... You're offensive. 817 00:33:13,763 --> 00:33:15,182 You're making this space uncomfortable. 818 00:33:15,182 --> 00:33:16,266 ...uncomfortable. 819 00:33:16,266 --> 00:33:17,476 WOMAN 2: But you're white. 820 00:33:17,476 --> 00:33:20,228 This white man thinks he can take up our space, 821 00:33:20,228 --> 00:33:22,396 and this is why we need a multi-cultural space. 822 00:33:22,396 --> 00:33:25,483 You are racist! Your sticker's racist because 823 00:33:25,483 --> 00:33:27,068 you can choose to be a cop, 824 00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:29,403 you can choose to kill people with a badge, 825 00:33:29,403 --> 00:33:30,863 and you're protecting that shit, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and you're protecting that shit, 826 00:33:30,863 --> 00:33:33,031 which means that you're racist! 827 00:33:33,031 --> 00:33:35,242 MATT: Meet the charming young lady from that video. 828 00:33:35,242 --> 00:33:36,409 {\an8}Sarra Tekola. 829 00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:38,786 {\an8}Founding member of Black Lives Matter, Phoenix. 830 00:33:38,786 --> 00:33:42,206 {\an8}She has a Ph.D. in Sustainability, which means 831 00:33:42,206 --> 00:33:44,125 something really important, I'm sure. 832 00:33:44,125 --> 00:33:47,294 She's agreed to help me learn how to decolonize myself. 833 00:33:47,294 --> 00:33:49,588 For a $1,500 fee, of course. 834 00:33:49,588 --> 00:33:51,007 So let's just get this kicked off. 835 00:33:51,007 --> 00:33:53,049 I'm a white guy myself. 836 00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:54,760 What's up with white people? 837 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,428 Um, where do we start? 838 00:33:56,428 --> 00:33:57,971 Let me reframe the question a little bit. 839 00:33:57,971 --> 00:34:00,974 What's wrong with white people? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 What's wrong with white people? 840 00:34:00,974 --> 00:34:03,601 A lot of it has to do with cognitive dissidence 841 00:34:03,601 --> 00:34:06,687 which allows, um, white people 842 00:34:06,687 --> 00:34:08,398 to feel okay about what happened. 843 00:34:08,398 --> 00:34:11,984 There's actually a lot of studies on Nazi doctors, 844 00:34:11,984 --> 00:34:16,446 and how they were able to, um, live with themselves. 845 00:34:16,446 --> 00:34:19,658 Um, and it's not that much different than white Americans 846 00:34:19,658 --> 00:34:22,118 or white people around the world, right? 847 00:34:22,118 --> 00:34:24,037 It's this splitting of the self. 848 00:34:24,037 --> 00:34:25,288 And so, um, 849 00:34:25,288 --> 00:34:28,041 you have this part of you that knows 850 00:34:28,041 --> 00:34:30,709 that they did wrong, the shadow self, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that they did wrong, the shadow self, 851 00:34:30,709 --> 00:34:32,378 and that you have to split that. 852 00:34:32,378 --> 00:34:34,212 And you have the other self that's like, 853 00:34:34,212 --> 00:34:36,048 "Oh, I didn't do anything wrong. 854 00:34:36,048 --> 00:34:37,465 "Racism? Why are you blaming me 855 00:34:37,465 --> 00:34:40,302 "for what my ancestors did? It's not my fault." 856 00:34:40,302 --> 00:34:42,929 Is racism inherent to whiteness? 857 00:34:42,929 --> 00:34:44,263 I would say so. 858 00:34:44,263 --> 00:34:46,307 I would say that we need to abolish whiteness. 859 00:34:46,307 --> 00:34:49,351 It's always been rooted in othering the other people 860 00:34:49,351 --> 00:34:50,937 who don't fit into whiteness, 861 00:34:50,937 --> 00:34:52,771 but when we look at white culture, 862 00:34:52,771 --> 00:34:54,690 the only thing about white culture 863 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:57,443 is buying things and stealing things. 864 00:34:57,443 --> 00:34:58,694 How do I... 865 00:34:59,736 --> 00:35:02,697 confront my shadow, my shadow self? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 confront my shadow, my shadow self? 866 00:35:02,697 --> 00:35:05,158 Acknowledging the parts of you that are racist, 867 00:35:05,158 --> 00:35:07,535 and then being able to unpack and unlearn those. 868 00:35:07,535 --> 00:35:08,869 Could I say, if someone called me racist, 869 00:35:08,869 --> 00:35:10,162 could I say, "Well, I'm not racist." 870 00:35:10,162 --> 00:35:12,832 "My shadow self is, but I'm not"? 871 00:35:12,832 --> 00:35:14,291 It's the splitting of the self. 872 00:35:14,291 --> 00:35:16,501 Like I said in the beginning about Nazi doctors. 873 00:35:16,501 --> 00:35:19,087 The fact that you have two selves is a problem. 874 00:35:19,087 --> 00:35:21,255 The more that you can merge it together, 875 00:35:21,255 --> 00:35:23,299 then you could be able to acknowledge these dark sides. 876 00:35:23,299 --> 00:35:24,634 But I don't want to merge it, 877 00:35:24,634 --> 00:35:26,010 because the shadow self is racist, 878 00:35:26,010 --> 00:35:28,804 so I don't want to be merged, right? I want to... 879 00:35:28,804 --> 00:35:30,348 - separate. - No. You have to. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - separate. - No. You have to. 880 00:35:30,348 --> 00:35:32,933 Yeah, because, uh, the thing is, 881 00:35:32,933 --> 00:35:34,935 when you don't merge them together, 882 00:35:34,935 --> 00:35:37,312 your shadow self is out here being racist, 883 00:35:37,312 --> 00:35:38,771 and you're not even aware of it, 884 00:35:38,771 --> 00:35:40,232 because that self, right... 885 00:35:40,232 --> 00:35:42,317 So I gotta pull him in. I gotta merge him with mine. 886 00:35:42,317 --> 00:35:44,652 - Yeah. - But then make it all... 887 00:35:44,652 --> 00:35:45,737 - Yeah. - ...not racist. 888 00:35:45,737 --> 00:35:47,071 Yes. 889 00:35:47,071 --> 00:35:50,324 I'm wondering, where do I go from here as an individual 890 00:35:51,951 --> 00:35:53,869 on this anti-racist journey? 891 00:35:53,869 --> 00:35:55,496 You just know whose land you're on. 892 00:35:55,496 --> 00:35:57,456 Our existence as Americans 893 00:35:57,456 --> 00:35:59,500 is predicated on other people's suffering. 894 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:01,001 Learn about who is suffering X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Learn about who is suffering 895 00:36:01,001 --> 00:36:04,045 because of our existence on... on this stolen land. 896 00:36:04,045 --> 00:36:06,464 It is important to feel bad, 897 00:36:06,464 --> 00:36:09,091 um, about what your ancestors did. 898 00:36:09,091 --> 00:36:11,093 - Embrace the pain. - Yes. 899 00:36:11,093 --> 00:36:13,637 [DO THE WORK! BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 900 00:36:15,014 --> 00:36:17,349 MATT: To be a good ally, I need to be an activist. 901 00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:20,769 Our nation is littered with relics from our racist past. 902 00:36:20,769 --> 00:36:23,146 I'm on a mission to right historical wrongs. 903 00:36:23,772 --> 00:36:25,356 I needed some help, so I asked Ben, 904 00:36:25,356 --> 00:36:27,483 one of my 17 Black friends, 905 00:36:27,483 --> 00:36:30,569 {\an8}to join me on my quest to change the world. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 to join me on my quest to change the world. 906 00:36:30,569 --> 00:36:31,654 We have a petition. 907 00:36:31,654 --> 00:36:34,114 Uh, we're hoping that maybe you'd be willing to sign it. 908 00:36:34,114 --> 00:36:35,365 We have a petition. We want to rename 909 00:36:35,365 --> 00:36:36,449 the George Washington Monument. 910 00:36:36,449 --> 00:36:37,534 To? 911 00:36:37,534 --> 00:36:39,577 {\an8}MATT: To the George Floyd Monument. 912 00:36:40,537 --> 00:36:41,538 Because, of course, 913 00:36:41,538 --> 00:36:42,789 George Washington was a slave owner. 914 00:36:42,789 --> 00:36:44,207 - Yep. - And so in some ways, 915 00:36:44,207 --> 00:36:46,418 this is symbolic. Symmetry, it's George for George, 916 00:36:46,418 --> 00:36:48,085 you might say. Would you mind signing? 917 00:36:48,085 --> 00:36:50,212 - I don't see why not. I will. - Okay. 918 00:36:50,212 --> 00:36:51,338 - Yeah. Sure. - Yeah. 919 00:36:51,338 --> 00:36:52,798 Oh, man. I love that. 920 00:36:52,798 --> 00:36:54,633 We're talking about painting it black. 921 00:36:54,633 --> 00:36:56,260 We're gonna raise it 30%, 922 00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:58,219 um, increasing it in height. 923 00:36:58,219 --> 00:36:59,345 Excuse me, sir. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 924 00:37:00,305 --> 00:37:02,390 Sir, we have a petition. Sir? 925 00:37:03,058 --> 00:37:05,435 For historical inequities to redress... 926 00:37:05,435 --> 00:37:06,936 Is there a Black person around here? 927 00:37:06,936 --> 00:37:08,771 I would hug them and apologize to them 928 00:37:08,771 --> 00:37:09,939 all day long for what happened. 929 00:37:09,939 --> 00:37:11,231 {\an8}There's a Black person right here. 930 00:37:11,231 --> 00:37:12,357 {\an8}Does he not exist? 931 00:37:12,357 --> 00:37:14,318 I'm sorry. I just didn't look that direction. 932 00:37:14,735 --> 00:37:16,570 {\an8}Sounds like you're in the habit of overlooking 933 00:37:16,570 --> 00:37:17,696 marginalized communities. 934 00:37:18,072 --> 00:37:19,073 {\an8}Brother. 935 00:37:20,157 --> 00:37:21,908 {\an8}You are an American. I love you. 936 00:37:21,908 --> 00:37:24,619 {\an8}I'm sorry for what happened in the past. I really am. 937 00:37:24,619 --> 00:37:25,704 {\an8}Let's just sign it and move on. 938 00:37:25,704 --> 00:37:27,580 You don't have an opinion, but you'll sign it anyway? 939 00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:29,123 If that's what you'd like me to, I can help. 940 00:37:29,123 --> 00:37:31,250 - I would like you to. - I can help you guys out. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - I would like you to. - I can help you guys out. 941 00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:32,460 Yeah. Thank you so much. 942 00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:34,169 - Sign here? - Yes. Absolutely. 943 00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:35,963 I think it's a beautiful idea. 944 00:37:35,963 --> 00:37:37,047 You think it's a beautiful idea? 945 00:37:37,047 --> 00:37:38,131 I do. 946 00:37:39,507 --> 00:37:41,676 MATT: We've got an encouraging number of signatures so far. 947 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:42,927 We have a petition for the... 948 00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:44,429 to redress historical inequities. 949 00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:46,013 Would you mind signing it? 950 00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:47,098 - You will? - [CAR HORN HONKING] 951 00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:49,517 Uh, we want to rename the George Washington Monument 952 00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:50,977 to the George Floyd Monument. 953 00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:52,436 [CAR HORN BLARES] 954 00:37:52,436 --> 00:37:53,520 Thank you so much. 955 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,688 Would you be willing to? 956 00:37:55,939 --> 00:37:57,233 I can't agree with that. 957 00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:59,568 - Will you sign it? - No. [CHUCKLES] 958 00:37:59,568 --> 00:38:01,111 So are you gonna erase all of them? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So are you gonna erase all of them? 959 00:38:01,111 --> 00:38:02,487 Yes. 960 00:38:02,487 --> 00:38:03,905 No. [SNIFFS] 961 00:38:03,905 --> 00:38:05,573 - Can you sign it anyway? - Nope. 962 00:38:07,158 --> 00:38:08,201 MATT: Getting people to agree 963 00:38:08,201 --> 00:38:09,785 to change the George Washington Monument 964 00:38:09,785 --> 00:38:13,038 to the George Floyd Monument seemed ambitious. 965 00:38:13,038 --> 00:38:14,248 I'm pleasantly surprised 966 00:38:14,248 --> 00:38:16,876 people are willing to erase our problematic history. 967 00:38:17,626 --> 00:38:20,212 ♪ If you wanna stop being racist, do the work ♪ 968 00:38:23,965 --> 00:38:25,717 WOMAN ON TV: I spend way too much time cleaning. 969 00:38:25,717 --> 00:38:27,218 MAN ON TV: Oh, the broom shaka lakas 970 00:38:27,218 --> 00:38:28,302 - for more than just... - [FLIPS CHANNELS] 971 00:38:28,302 --> 00:38:29,888 WOMAN 2: It's come with a full 60-day... 972 00:38:29,888 --> 00:38:33,391 DR. PHIL: There's a controversial documentary out X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 DR. PHIL: There's a controversial documentary out 973 00:38:33,391 --> 00:38:36,394 {\an8}entitled Destructing Karen . 974 00:38:36,394 --> 00:38:39,688 REGINA JACKSON: How many of you would trade places 975 00:38:39,688 --> 00:38:41,648 with a Black person in this society? 976 00:38:41,648 --> 00:38:43,108 Raise your hand. 977 00:38:43,108 --> 00:38:45,193 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 978 00:38:48,613 --> 00:38:50,907 DR. PHIL: Today, on an all-new Dr. Phil , 979 00:38:50,907 --> 00:38:53,910 {\an8}Regina Jackson and Saira Rao. 980 00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:56,537 {\an8}Now, they are co-founders of Race 2 Dinner. 981 00:38:56,537 --> 00:38:59,748 What did you expect at these dinners? 982 00:38:59,748 --> 00:39:02,125 {\an8}Basically, exactly what we expect is what we get. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Basically, exactly what we expect is what we get. 983 00:39:02,125 --> 00:39:04,670 {\an8}Some women are ready to do the work. 984 00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:07,047 {\an8}But pretty much when they come to the dinners, 985 00:39:07,047 --> 00:39:09,132 {\an8}"It's not me. I'm not racist." 986 00:39:09,132 --> 00:39:10,508 MATT: Hold on a minute. 987 00:39:10,508 --> 00:39:12,510 I've heard of these ladies before. 988 00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:15,429 {\an8}Race 2 Dinner is a thing that they do, uh... 989 00:39:15,429 --> 00:39:17,389 Basically, this book is saying, like, 990 00:39:17,389 --> 00:39:20,225 {\an8}"We need to stop being nice about racism." 991 00:39:21,018 --> 00:39:22,811 MATT: Stop being nice about racism? 992 00:39:22,811 --> 00:39:24,103 What a concept! 993 00:39:24,646 --> 00:39:27,398 {\an8}Apparently, you just pay these ladies thousands of dollars 994 00:39:27,398 --> 00:39:29,442 {\an8}to come over for dinner and call you racist. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 995 00:39:30,776 --> 00:39:31,777 {\an8}It's genius! 996 00:39:31,777 --> 00:39:35,281 I absolutely need to attend one of these dinners. 997 00:39:35,281 --> 00:39:37,074 But there's a big problem. 998 00:39:37,074 --> 00:39:39,492 {\an8}Only white women are allowed to attend. 999 00:39:40,035 --> 00:39:41,995 {\an8}Why do white women get to have all the fun? 1000 00:39:42,745 --> 00:39:46,041 I need to find another way to earn a seat at the table. 1001 00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:48,376 [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1002 00:40:06,893 --> 00:40:08,144 - [MUSIC ENDS] - JACKSON: Okay. 1003 00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:11,731 So, at these dinners, we only have one rule. 1004 00:40:11,731 --> 00:40:15,234 And the rule is that if you have to cry, 1005 00:40:15,234 --> 00:40:16,694 you have to leave the table. 1006 00:40:16,694 --> 00:40:20,155 Generally, we will have the host just set up a room, 1007 00:40:20,155 --> 00:40:22,449 you know, with lots of tissue 1008 00:40:22,449 --> 00:40:23,617 - and everything... - [ALL CHUCKLE] 1009 00:40:23,617 --> 00:40:26,370 ...so you can go in there and sob your heart out. 1010 00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:28,371 When a white woman starts crying, 1011 00:40:28,371 --> 00:40:31,082 it draws all the attention X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 it draws all the attention 1012 00:40:31,082 --> 00:40:32,166 - from the room... - WOMAN: Yeah. 1013 00:40:32,166 --> 00:40:33,501 JACKSON: ...onto that poor, 1014 00:40:33,501 --> 00:40:34,752 - white woman. - Yeah. 1015 00:40:34,752 --> 00:40:38,213 Even the language of whiteness softens everything. 1016 00:40:38,213 --> 00:40:40,508 White fragility, so what that is, is... 1017 00:40:40,508 --> 00:40:42,259 And by the way, a white woman, 1018 00:40:42,259 --> 00:40:44,344 you know, your hero, Robin DiAngelo, 1019 00:40:44,344 --> 00:40:45,678 coined that term, 1020 00:40:45,678 --> 00:40:46,763 and it's for when people... 1021 00:40:46,763 --> 00:40:48,348 when Black and brown people talk about racism 1022 00:40:48,348 --> 00:40:51,809 and then white people get upset, you know, angry, 1023 00:40:51,809 --> 00:40:53,519 and then deflect the conversation. 1024 00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,022 By not wanting to address your racism 1025 00:40:56,022 --> 00:40:57,731 and your white supremacy, 1026 00:40:57,731 --> 00:40:59,066 that is upholding white supremacy. 1027 00:40:59,066 --> 00:41:02,819 That is not fragile. So just think about how even language X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That is not fragile. So just think about how even language 1028 00:41:02,819 --> 00:41:04,780 to describe your violent behavior 1029 00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:08,825 is couched in ways to make you all seem delicate. 1030 00:41:08,825 --> 00:41:11,202 JACKSON: And to make you comfortable. 1031 00:41:11,202 --> 00:41:12,495 RAO: So... 1032 00:41:13,163 --> 00:41:14,955 tell us one instance 1033 00:41:14,955 --> 00:41:18,876 that your racism has shown up recently. 1034 00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:20,669 And that's either something 1035 00:41:20,669 --> 00:41:22,171 - you did... - Didn't do. 1036 00:41:22,171 --> 00:41:25,299 ...thought or an action. 1037 00:41:25,299 --> 00:41:27,091 WOMAN 1: So, my husband's Black, 1038 00:41:27,091 --> 00:41:31,220 so it can be an everyday white supremacist thing. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 so it can be an everyday white supremacist thing. 1039 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:32,931 Like, if I'm out in public, 1040 00:41:32,931 --> 00:41:35,308 and he's, like, really loud or something 1041 00:41:35,308 --> 00:41:36,809 and I'll shush him. 1042 00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:38,101 Why do you do that? 1043 00:41:38,101 --> 00:41:41,647 Uh, usually because we're in a space 1044 00:41:41,647 --> 00:41:43,982 that I think should be quiet, which is probably 1045 00:41:43,982 --> 00:41:46,151 my white supremacy talking. 1046 00:41:46,151 --> 00:41:48,611 So, that's basically tone policing 1047 00:41:48,611 --> 00:41:50,405 - a Black person... - JACKSON: Mm-hmm. 1048 00:41:50,405 --> 00:41:51,656 RAO: ...who happens to be your husband. 1049 00:41:51,656 --> 00:41:54,033 - WOMAN 1: Yeah. - Okay. Who's next? 1050 00:41:54,742 --> 00:41:57,286 WOMAN 2: This one mom starts going on about 1051 00:41:57,286 --> 00:42:00,081 how her white son is so screwed. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 how her white son is so screwed. 1052 00:42:00,081 --> 00:42:02,916 Been rejected here, and "white boy, white boy." 1053 00:42:02,916 --> 00:42:04,876 All right, white entitlement, white centering, 1054 00:42:04,876 --> 00:42:07,170 tone policing, white silence. 1055 00:42:07,170 --> 00:42:09,505 White women owned slaves. 1056 00:42:10,423 --> 00:42:11,799 Period. That's what it is. 1057 00:42:11,799 --> 00:42:13,384 Let's be clear what's happening in this country. 1058 00:42:13,384 --> 00:42:14,927 - It's Nazism. - Yeah. 1059 00:42:14,927 --> 00:42:16,929 RAO: Republicans are Nazis. 1060 00:42:16,929 --> 00:42:18,639 I assume it sounds like everyone here 1061 00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:20,349 is probably not a Republican. I might be wrong. 1062 00:42:20,349 --> 00:42:21,475 Am I wrong about the... 1063 00:42:21,475 --> 00:42:23,518 Is there any Republican at this table? 1064 00:42:23,518 --> 00:42:25,979 You cannot separate yourselves 1065 00:42:25,979 --> 00:42:28,482 - from the bad white people. - [DOOR CREAKS] 1066 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:31,025 The proliferation of guns has happened X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 The proliferation of guns has happened 1067 00:42:31,025 --> 00:42:33,111 every time whites feel terrified 1068 00:42:33,111 --> 00:42:34,195 of Black and brown people, 1069 00:42:34,195 --> 00:42:35,779 which is literally every 10 seconds, 1070 00:42:35,779 --> 00:42:39,032 but also, um, when there's an event like Obama. 1071 00:42:39,032 --> 00:42:40,784 Like Ferguson. Like 9/11. 1072 00:42:40,784 --> 00:42:42,828 Like COVID-19. Like George Floyd. Thank you. 1073 00:42:42,828 --> 00:42:44,204 Um... 1074 00:42:44,204 --> 00:42:46,123 You've been killing all of us, right? 1075 00:42:46,123 --> 00:42:48,291 Primarily Black folks, and we're just right behind. 1076 00:42:48,291 --> 00:42:49,834 Right? There's the hierarchy. 1077 00:42:49,834 --> 00:42:52,754 Whiteness is even more insidious than I... 1078 00:42:52,754 --> 00:42:55,047 than I even knew even a year ago. 1079 00:42:55,047 --> 00:42:56,924 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 1080 00:42:56,924 --> 00:42:58,467 You know, you all have gave up 1081 00:42:58,467 --> 00:43:00,886 your reproductive health rights without... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 your reproductive health rights without... 1082 00:43:00,886 --> 00:43:02,638 You wouldn't even get off your Peloton bike 1083 00:43:02,638 --> 00:43:05,015 for 10 minutes to go protest that. 1084 00:43:05,015 --> 00:43:06,099 MATT: Did you want a second roll? 1085 00:43:06,099 --> 00:43:07,976 No, thank you. Oh, okay. I'm good. 1086 00:43:07,976 --> 00:43:10,478 JACKSON: Black people know 1087 00:43:10,478 --> 00:43:12,938 that white people believe they need their guns 1088 00:43:12,938 --> 00:43:15,233 to protect yourselves from us. 1089 00:43:15,233 --> 00:43:19,153 We've decided that it's okay for the Second Amendment, 1090 00:43:19,153 --> 00:43:22,114 which is literally synonymous with white supremacy, 1091 00:43:22,114 --> 00:43:23,448 to be our bible. 1092 00:43:23,448 --> 00:43:24,992 MATT: [WHISPERS] You want some? 1093 00:43:24,992 --> 00:43:27,494 This is what anti-racism is. 1094 00:43:27,494 --> 00:43:29,329 It's actually what anti-whiteness is. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1095 00:43:31,706 --> 00:43:33,875 - It has to burn. - Mm-hmm. 1096 00:43:33,875 --> 00:43:35,668 The entire system has to burn. 1097 00:43:36,835 --> 00:43:38,296 And I'm not looking to you to save this country. 1098 00:43:38,296 --> 00:43:39,672 This country is not worth saving. 1099 00:43:40,798 --> 00:43:41,882 This country is a piece of shit. 1100 00:43:41,882 --> 00:43:43,801 - [PLATES CRASH] - Oh, my goodness! 1101 00:43:44,885 --> 00:43:46,053 MATT: Oh, sorry. 1102 00:43:48,055 --> 00:43:49,681 RAO: Um, but yes. 1103 00:43:49,681 --> 00:43:53,810 Uh, aren't you all tired of living like this? Seriously. 1104 00:43:53,810 --> 00:43:54,936 I mean, I used to be a white woman. 1105 00:43:54,936 --> 00:43:57,021 - An unsuccessful one... - [WOMEN CHUCKLE] 1106 00:43:57,021 --> 00:43:58,105 ...for many decades. 1107 00:43:58,105 --> 00:43:59,816 And it was a miserable experience. 1108 00:43:59,816 --> 00:44:02,943 And really, the... the... the hatred of yourselves X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And really, the... the... the hatred of yourselves 1109 00:44:02,943 --> 00:44:04,986 and each other is like the most... 1110 00:44:04,986 --> 00:44:06,363 The not seeing your power. 1111 00:44:06,363 --> 00:44:07,781 The being afraid, like, 1112 00:44:07,781 --> 00:44:09,700 all you do is talk shit about each other, 1113 00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:11,451 talk shit about yourselves, "Oh, my God, I'm so fat." 1114 00:44:11,451 --> 00:44:12,994 MATT: That's all they do. That's all they do. 1115 00:44:12,994 --> 00:44:14,120 - [WOMEN LAUGH] - I'm telling you. 1116 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,538 These white women. 1117 00:44:15,538 --> 00:44:17,748 RAO: But it's... it's... That's it. 1118 00:44:17,748 --> 00:44:19,709 It's "I'm so fat. I'm so stupid. 1119 00:44:19,709 --> 00:44:20,793 "I'm blah blah blah." 1120 00:44:20,793 --> 00:44:22,336 [PLATES CRASH AND CLATTER] 1121 00:44:22,712 --> 00:44:23,712 MATT: Sorry. 1122 00:44:29,468 --> 00:44:31,135 RAO: Your kids are watching you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 RAO: Your kids are watching you. 1123 00:44:31,135 --> 00:44:34,097 And they're watching you talking shit about each other. 1124 00:44:34,097 --> 00:44:36,724 You know, raging against a machine or being silent 1125 00:44:36,724 --> 00:44:37,808 or whatever the hell it is 1126 00:44:37,808 --> 00:44:38,934 that you're doing or not doing. 1127 00:44:38,934 --> 00:44:40,603 And they know that you're not doing shit for them. 1128 00:44:40,603 --> 00:44:41,687 MATT: That's so important. 1129 00:44:41,687 --> 00:44:43,439 That is so important, what she just said. 1130 00:44:45,858 --> 00:44:47,609 It's real... It's really important. 1131 00:44:48,443 --> 00:44:49,444 That's... 1132 00:44:49,444 --> 00:44:51,071 We may have to add you to our team. [LAUGHS] 1133 00:44:51,071 --> 00:44:53,030 Oh! I would love to take a seat and join you. 1134 00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:54,907 - No. You're not allowed to. - MATT: Oh, okay. 1135 00:44:54,907 --> 00:44:56,534 - Definitely not allowed. - MATT: Okay. 1136 00:44:56,534 --> 00:44:59,536 I do have my DEI certification 1137 00:44:59,536 --> 00:45:00,913 - that I... that I got. - Okay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - that I... that I got. - Okay. 1138 00:45:00,913 --> 00:45:02,539 - Okay. - MATT: So... 1139 00:45:02,539 --> 00:45:04,791 Not saying I'm an expert, but I'm also not a novice. 1140 00:45:04,791 --> 00:45:06,209 So... [CHUCKLES] 1141 00:45:06,209 --> 00:45:07,544 Okay. 1142 00:45:07,544 --> 00:45:09,212 White people are starved for these conversations. 1143 00:45:09,212 --> 00:45:10,505 MATT: We are. We are so starving. 1144 00:45:10,505 --> 00:45:13,174 - JACKSON: Yeah. - We are so starving for this. 1145 00:45:13,174 --> 00:45:15,093 RAO: Anyone else? 1146 00:45:15,093 --> 00:45:16,636 Want to say anything? 1147 00:45:16,636 --> 00:45:17,720 MATT: I'll just say one thing. 1148 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:19,179 I'm so glad we can have these conversations. 1149 00:45:19,179 --> 00:45:21,223 And I'll be done. But, uh, I'm just so glad 1150 00:45:21,223 --> 00:45:24,101 that we could all get together to have these conversations. 1151 00:45:24,726 --> 00:45:25,727 [CHUCKLES] That's all I wanted to say. 1152 00:45:25,727 --> 00:45:27,771 - JACKSON: Thank you. - Is he an actor? 1153 00:45:27,771 --> 00:45:29,481 - Are you an actor? - MATT: Oh, no. 1154 00:45:29,481 --> 00:45:31,190 Can you let us... We're trying to listen X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Can you let us... We're trying to listen 1155 00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:32,567 and trying to have this conversation. 1156 00:45:32,567 --> 00:45:34,027 MATT: Okay. You know, 1157 00:45:34,027 --> 00:45:36,445 we're all acting all the time in our lives, 1158 00:45:36,445 --> 00:45:39,323 and, uh, and I think that that's part of the problem. 1159 00:45:39,323 --> 00:45:41,617 You know? [SIGHS] 1160 00:45:41,617 --> 00:45:43,076 And it's like we're all trying to play a part 1161 00:45:43,076 --> 00:45:44,286 rather than just being real 1162 00:45:44,286 --> 00:45:46,371 and having these uncomfortable conversations. 1163 00:45:46,371 --> 00:45:48,040 And that's what I'm always trying to tell people. 1164 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,875 Especially, you know, white women. No offense. 1165 00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:50,959 - But... [CHUCKLES] - RAO: No, 1166 00:45:50,959 --> 00:45:52,710 but, see, like, you're a white dude. 1167 00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:54,045 There's power positions 1168 00:45:54,045 --> 00:45:55,422 - and, uh, you know... - MATT: Yeah. 1169 00:45:55,422 --> 00:45:58,424 ...it's pointing... pointing... 1170 00:45:58,424 --> 00:46:01,427 white people pointing fingers at each other is not helpful. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 white people pointing fingers at each other is not helpful. 1171 00:46:01,427 --> 00:46:04,055 MATT: You know, I've been on this journey for so long, 1172 00:46:04,055 --> 00:46:05,764 and just to see you guys at the table 1173 00:46:05,764 --> 00:46:08,475 having this conversation has been really 1174 00:46:08,475 --> 00:46:10,018 enlightening for me. 1175 00:46:10,018 --> 00:46:12,145 Anyway, I got the DEI certification. 1176 00:46:12,979 --> 00:46:15,023 [SMACKS LIPS] And I'm just on the journey. 1177 00:46:16,524 --> 00:46:17,525 All right. You ladies have a great... 1178 00:46:17,525 --> 00:46:18,734 RAO: Thank you. JACKSON: All right. 1179 00:46:20,445 --> 00:46:21,446 [DOOR OPENS] 1180 00:46:22,572 --> 00:46:25,991 - Decolonize yourself. - Mm-hmm. 1181 00:46:25,991 --> 00:46:31,663 Do your own white supremacy dismantling. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Do your own white supremacy dismantling. 1182 00:46:31,663 --> 00:46:34,373 And then you can start to bring in other people. 1183 00:46:34,373 --> 00:46:36,125 MATT: Can I just... Can I just say one last thing? 1184 00:46:36,125 --> 00:46:37,376 Can I just propose a toast? 1185 00:46:38,336 --> 00:46:41,172 Uh, I mean, just raise a glass if you're racist. 1186 00:46:42,089 --> 00:46:43,466 And that's the thing. 1187 00:46:44,508 --> 00:46:46,426 Cheers. Oh, I'm not racist. Let me put my glass down. 1188 00:46:46,426 --> 00:46:48,220 - MATT: All the rest of you. - [JACKSON LAUGHS] 1189 00:46:49,847 --> 00:46:51,139 To racists. 1190 00:46:51,139 --> 00:46:52,765 [GLASSES CLINKING] 1191 00:46:54,642 --> 00:46:56,644 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYING] 1192 00:46:58,438 --> 00:47:00,356 MATT: What a charming group of ladies. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MATT: What a charming group of ladies. 1193 00:47:01,148 --> 00:47:03,817 I've learned a lot from my fellow anti-racists. 1194 00:47:03,817 --> 00:47:06,112 But now it's time to evangelize. 1195 00:47:06,695 --> 00:47:07,738 To go to white America 1196 00:47:07,738 --> 00:47:09,656 and teach them about their privilege. 1197 00:47:10,281 --> 00:47:12,242 This biker bar will do just fine. 1198 00:47:12,242 --> 00:47:14,494 [ENGINE REVVING] 1199 00:47:15,703 --> 00:47:16,704 I'm sure these people 1200 00:47:16,704 --> 00:47:18,414 would love to have an honest dialogue 1201 00:47:18,414 --> 00:47:19,915 about the perils of whiteness. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1202 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:32,386 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC CONTINUES] 1203 00:47:37,891 --> 00:47:38,892 [MUSIC ENDS] 1204 00:47:38,892 --> 00:47:40,977 [ROCK MUSIC PLAYS] 1205 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:49,359 MATT: What are you doing, 1206 00:47:50,068 --> 00:47:53,989 personally, in your life to decenter your whiteness? 1207 00:47:53,989 --> 00:47:56,616 What do you mean, decenter it? Well... 1208 00:47:56,616 --> 00:47:58,951 Take it away from the center of... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1209 00:48:00,202 --> 00:48:02,079 Who's making it the center? Why are they doing that? 1210 00:48:03,372 --> 00:48:04,874 Why race has to be thrown in on everything? 1211 00:48:04,874 --> 00:48:06,833 Well, you're white... you're white. 1212 00:48:06,833 --> 00:48:08,502 So? Who cares? 1213 00:48:08,502 --> 00:48:10,587 I mean, really, the way that the world is going right now, 1214 00:48:10,587 --> 00:48:11,713 people need to be concerned 1215 00:48:11,713 --> 00:48:13,674 with how they're going to feed their families. 1216 00:48:13,674 --> 00:48:15,550 Not what color is that man's skin. 1217 00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:16,927 I got Black friends, I love them, too. 1218 00:48:16,927 --> 00:48:18,844 - But they know they're Black. - Do you know they're Black? 1219 00:48:18,844 --> 00:48:21,264 Of course I do, and I like it. Good for them. 1220 00:48:21,264 --> 00:48:22,598 Well, you know, one thing I've learned is that 1221 00:48:22,598 --> 00:48:24,141 if you meet a Black person, 1222 00:48:24,141 --> 00:48:26,351 you want to forget that they're Black. 1223 00:48:26,351 --> 00:48:27,853 But don't forget that they're Black. 1224 00:48:27,853 --> 00:48:29,396 Why would you want to forget that they're Black? 1225 00:48:29,396 --> 00:48:31,231 - Well, don't. But also don't. - Are they a friend? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - Well, don't. But also don't. - Are they a friend? 1226 00:48:31,815 --> 00:48:33,317 Then you should embrace them being Black. 1227 00:48:33,317 --> 00:48:35,860 I think Black men should have pride in being Black. 1228 00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:37,445 And I think you should have pride in being white. 1229 00:48:37,445 --> 00:48:39,447 - What's wrong with that? - I agree with the first part. 1230 00:48:39,447 --> 00:48:40,739 Hello, sir. 1231 00:48:40,739 --> 00:48:41,950 Hi. 1232 00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:43,034 What's your name? 1233 00:48:43,034 --> 00:48:44,160 Pat. 1234 00:48:44,743 --> 00:48:46,370 - Pat? - Yeah. 1235 00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:48,246 What about you? Do you have, uh, kids? 1236 00:48:48,246 --> 00:48:50,332 - Do you have a wife? - Yeah, I've got... 1237 00:48:52,125 --> 00:48:53,876 two or three kids... 1238 00:48:53,876 --> 00:48:56,213 - Two or three kids? - Yeah. 1239 00:48:56,213 --> 00:48:57,547 You don't have to give me the whole list, 1240 00:48:57,547 --> 00:48:59,298 but what are some ways 1241 00:48:59,298 --> 00:49:02,051 that you're, um, confronting your whiteness? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that you're, um, confronting your whiteness? 1242 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,178 - My whiteness? - Yeah. 1243 00:49:04,178 --> 00:49:07,223 I get along good with Black people. 1244 00:49:07,223 --> 00:49:09,975 I used to have... I used to have a Black brother. 1245 00:49:09,975 --> 00:49:12,143 I called him my brother. He called me his brother. 1246 00:49:12,143 --> 00:49:13,353 Was he really your brother? 1247 00:49:13,353 --> 00:49:14,813 No, he wasn't. 1248 00:49:14,813 --> 00:49:16,481 You were calling a Black man brother? 1249 00:49:16,481 --> 00:49:18,399 Yeah. I had more Black friends 1250 00:49:18,399 --> 00:49:20,276 living in Huntsville than I had white friends. 1251 00:49:20,276 --> 00:49:22,445 - Really? - Yeah. 1252 00:49:22,445 --> 00:49:24,989 So that's in your own life, but systemically... 1253 00:49:24,989 --> 00:49:26,824 Considering the way things is at now? 1254 00:49:26,824 --> 00:49:27,992 Yeah. 1255 00:49:28,658 --> 00:49:30,327 Just to summarize. But what do you think about X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Just to summarize. But what do you think about 1256 00:49:30,327 --> 00:49:33,163 this issue of heteronormativity 1257 00:49:33,163 --> 00:49:34,456 and how it intersects 1258 00:49:34,456 --> 00:49:38,251 with the broader structures of racism in society? 1259 00:49:38,835 --> 00:49:39,836 Huh? 1260 00:49:39,836 --> 00:49:42,380 I mean, ultimately, how do we get to a point of, 1261 00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:43,672 let's say, racial harmony? 1262 00:49:44,298 --> 00:49:45,758 I don't know. 1263 00:49:45,758 --> 00:49:48,719 But I'm just telling you what I said. 1264 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,679 That's a lot to think about on my own journey. 1265 00:49:54,224 --> 00:49:56,268 - It's good to talk to you. - Mm-hmm. 1266 00:49:56,268 --> 00:49:58,436 {\an8}Uh, I'm a vegetarian as well. 1267 00:49:58,436 --> 00:50:01,063 Uh, just started on the vegan, uh, journey also, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Uh, just started on the vegan, uh, journey also, 1268 00:50:01,063 --> 00:50:02,649 {\an8}- so I'm glad... - That don't say "vegetarian." 1269 00:50:03,065 --> 00:50:04,233 {\an8}That's a... 1270 00:50:04,233 --> 00:50:06,068 {\an8}-"Vaginatarian." [LAUGHS] -"Vaginatarian." 1271 00:50:06,068 --> 00:50:07,444 {\an8}[LAUGHING] 1272 00:50:07,444 --> 00:50:08,654 {\an8}What is that? 1273 00:50:09,363 --> 00:50:10,864 That's a little bit of a sexist joke. 1274 00:50:10,864 --> 00:50:13,825 {\an8}Well, you know. It is what it is. 1275 00:50:13,825 --> 00:50:15,744 What do you think about racism in society? 1276 00:50:15,744 --> 00:50:17,412 Is it... Do you think it's a big problem? 1277 00:50:17,412 --> 00:50:19,664 I was born in 1960. 1278 00:50:19,664 --> 00:50:22,667 My dad, my uncle, 1279 00:50:22,667 --> 00:50:24,835 my granddaddy, were Klansmen. 1280 00:50:26,587 --> 00:50:27,797 It never affected me. 1281 00:50:27,797 --> 00:50:29,381 But you don't... You're not... 1282 00:50:29,381 --> 00:50:30,507 - No. - ...racist? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - No. - ...racist? 1283 00:50:30,507 --> 00:50:32,884 - No. Not at all. - And how do you know? 1284 00:50:32,884 --> 00:50:34,636 How do either of you know that you're... 1285 00:50:34,636 --> 00:50:37,806 Because I... I accept people as they are. 1286 00:50:37,806 --> 00:50:38,973 WOMAN: Exactly. 1287 00:50:38,973 --> 00:50:40,767 If you approach me as a human being, 1288 00:50:40,767 --> 00:50:42,435 then I'm gonna be a human being too. 1289 00:50:42,435 --> 00:50:44,853 We all bleed the same way. 1290 00:50:44,853 --> 00:50:46,855 What do you think about systemic racism? 1291 00:50:46,855 --> 00:50:48,691 Systemic? What the hell is that? 1292 00:50:48,691 --> 00:50:52,027 Is the system constructed in such a way 1293 00:50:52,027 --> 00:50:55,322 as to marginalize people of color? 1294 00:50:55,322 --> 00:50:57,615 You wanna do away with racism? 1295 00:50:58,366 --> 00:51:00,410 Quit labeling people as Black and white. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Quit labeling people as Black and white. 1296 00:51:00,410 --> 00:51:03,037 - WOMAN: Exactly. - But that's colorblindness, 1297 00:51:03,037 --> 00:51:04,413 which is problematic. 1298 00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:06,582 If I meet you as a Black man, and you... 1299 00:51:06,582 --> 00:51:08,917 you approach me, I shake your hand. 1300 00:51:08,917 --> 00:51:10,794 We go in here, we have a conversation, 1301 00:51:10,794 --> 00:51:15,006 we have a beer or ride down the road on a motorcycle. 1302 00:51:15,674 --> 00:51:17,425 What the hell does your color got to do with it? 1303 00:51:18,009 --> 00:51:20,220 - It's all right here, bubba. - [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1304 00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:22,972 {\an8}If you treat people right, they treat you right. 1305 00:51:22,972 --> 00:51:24,056 And... 1306 00:51:24,056 --> 00:51:26,266 {\an8}I don't care what color they are. 1307 00:51:26,266 --> 00:51:28,393 {\an8}You gotta treat each other right. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1308 00:51:30,855 --> 00:51:32,106 {\an8}MATT: I was expecting these bikers 1309 00:51:32,106 --> 00:51:33,982 {\an8}would be a bunch of racists. 1310 00:51:34,649 --> 00:51:36,526 And obviously, I was right. 1311 00:51:36,526 --> 00:51:38,236 These people haven't even started 1312 00:51:38,236 --> 00:51:39,904 to decenter their whiteness. 1313 00:51:41,865 --> 00:51:44,367 Now I need to go deeper into the racist south, 1314 00:51:45,201 --> 00:51:46,910 so that I can talk to people of color 1315 00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:49,288 about their lived experience with racism. 1316 00:51:52,499 --> 00:51:55,878 I was in the drug game for 18 years of my life, man. 1317 00:51:55,878 --> 00:51:59,964 And 14 and a half years went all, uh, to incarceration. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1318 00:51:59,964 --> 00:52:01,090 {\an8}So how did you get out? 1319 00:52:01,090 --> 00:52:03,426 I got out through, uh, the pages of the Word of God. 1320 00:52:03,426 --> 00:52:06,470 MAN: My parents always taught me to love everybody. 1321 00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:10,182 Don't allow skin color to ever become a problem for you. 1322 00:52:10,182 --> 00:52:12,226 We didn't... We didn't see colors, baby. 1323 00:52:12,226 --> 00:52:13,769 Because we grew up together. 1324 00:52:13,769 --> 00:52:15,979 And you know, it was a lot of love. 1325 00:52:15,979 --> 00:52:18,564 Inherent dignity, it's in all of us. 1326 00:52:18,564 --> 00:52:20,859 Though we're different in so many ways, 1327 00:52:20,859 --> 00:52:23,319 we're still alike in so many more ways. 1328 00:52:23,319 --> 00:52:25,780 - So we all one in God's sight. - Yes. 1329 00:52:27,114 --> 00:52:28,824 MATT: So how long have you owned this shop here? 1330 00:52:28,824 --> 00:52:33,495 I came here August 15, 1971, from British Guyana. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I came here August 15, 1971, from British Guyana. 1331 00:52:33,495 --> 00:52:34,829 Did you start a family and all that? 1332 00:52:34,829 --> 00:52:38,542 Yes. Altogether I have 53 grandchildren. 1333 00:52:38,542 --> 00:52:39,668 - Wow. - Yeah. 1334 00:52:39,668 --> 00:52:41,044 You think the country has been good to you? 1335 00:52:41,044 --> 00:52:43,337 Yeah. Yeah, very good. Very good, yeah. 1336 00:52:43,337 --> 00:52:45,631 How do you feel about America today? 1337 00:52:45,631 --> 00:52:47,716 America, man, is a beautiful country. 1338 00:52:48,384 --> 00:52:50,761 A beautiful country. I don't have no problem here. 1339 00:52:50,761 --> 00:52:53,471 A lot of people, pretty critical of, uh... 1340 00:52:53,471 --> 00:52:54,848 of this country, and, you know... 1341 00:52:54,848 --> 00:52:56,141 I don't know why. 1342 00:52:56,141 --> 00:52:57,684 It can be kind of a racist country. 1343 00:52:57,684 --> 00:52:59,561 No. No, no, no. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1344 00:53:00,770 --> 00:53:02,564 Do you experience a lot of microaggressions out here? 1345 00:53:02,564 --> 00:53:04,190 Nah. Not out here. 1346 00:53:05,692 --> 00:53:06,693 No. 1347 00:53:06,693 --> 00:53:08,569 Well, what about the systemic issue? 1348 00:53:09,778 --> 00:53:12,489 - Systemic... - What you mean by "systemic"? 1349 00:53:12,489 --> 00:53:14,991 Well, the whole country. The system. 1350 00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:17,911 The system is... You know, the system is racist. 1351 00:53:17,911 --> 00:53:19,287 Mm... 1352 00:53:19,287 --> 00:53:20,747 Not to me. 1353 00:53:20,747 --> 00:53:22,582 - Not to you? - No. Not to me, man. 1354 00:53:22,582 --> 00:53:24,084 I don't think about those things, 1355 00:53:24,084 --> 00:53:25,376 racism and all that stuff. 1356 00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:26,961 I've been reading a lot of books recently. 1357 00:53:26,961 --> 00:53:29,464 Robin DiAngelo, White Fragility, obviously. 1358 00:53:29,464 --> 00:53:31,674 Uh, been reading a lot of anti-racist literature. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Uh, been reading a lot of anti-racist literature. 1359 00:53:31,674 --> 00:53:33,968 Mm-hmm. I don't read them things. 1360 00:53:33,968 --> 00:53:35,219 What do you read? 1361 00:53:35,219 --> 00:53:36,886 The only thing I read is the Bible. 1362 00:53:38,012 --> 00:53:39,806 I got it in the car right there. 1363 00:53:39,806 --> 00:53:40,974 If you looked in my car, 1364 00:53:40,974 --> 00:53:42,601 you'll see it right there on the seat. 1365 00:53:44,435 --> 00:53:46,562 So you haven't read any Robin DiAngelo? 1366 00:53:46,562 --> 00:53:49,690 Uh, no. No, no. Robin DiAngelo, who is that? 1367 00:53:49,690 --> 00:53:51,525 Well, she's a anti-racist, uh... 1368 00:53:51,525 --> 00:53:53,068 - Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. - ...expert. 1369 00:53:53,068 --> 00:53:54,987 I never read them kind of books, man. 1370 00:53:54,987 --> 00:53:56,196 If I get a book like that, 1371 00:53:56,196 --> 00:53:57,572 I put it down. I don't want it. 1372 00:53:57,572 --> 00:53:59,324 I got a couple copies in my car. I can give you one. 1373 00:53:59,324 --> 00:54:00,867 No. I don't want it. I don't want it. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 No. I don't want it. I don't want it. 1374 00:54:00,867 --> 00:54:02,869 I don't want it. [LAUGHS] 1375 00:54:02,869 --> 00:54:05,580 No. 'Cause that is not in my heart. No. 1376 00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:09,541 I've kind of been working on, uh, decentering my whiteness. 1377 00:54:09,541 --> 00:54:11,752 Oh, your whiteness? [CHUCKLES] 1378 00:54:11,752 --> 00:54:14,087 Aight now, baby. We all bleed the same thing, dude. 1379 00:54:14,087 --> 00:54:16,757 If I cut you right there, you will bleed just like me. 1380 00:54:16,757 --> 00:54:18,759 [LAUGHING] 1381 00:54:18,759 --> 00:54:19,843 I... 1382 00:54:19,843 --> 00:54:21,803 It's just the color of your skin. 1383 00:54:21,803 --> 00:54:23,513 How do we get past all the, uh, 1384 00:54:23,513 --> 00:54:25,015 talk about racism and the... 1385 00:54:25,015 --> 00:54:27,183 Oh, we gotta love each other, like I said. 1386 00:54:28,476 --> 00:54:30,185 We have to love each other. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 We have to love each other. 1387 00:54:30,185 --> 00:54:32,437 That's how you get past racism. 1388 00:54:34,273 --> 00:54:35,607 Well, it can't be that simple. 1389 00:54:35,607 --> 00:54:36,941 - Huh? - Is it that simple? 1390 00:54:36,941 --> 00:54:38,318 Well, yeah. I mean, to me. 1391 00:54:38,318 --> 00:54:39,444 [BLUEGRASS MUSIC PLAYS] 1392 00:54:39,444 --> 00:54:41,488 MATT: Something's not right. 1393 00:54:41,488 --> 00:54:43,865 These people said the same thing as those bikers. 1394 00:54:44,448 --> 00:54:46,159 White supremacy is more pervasive 1395 00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:47,285 than I ever imagined. 1396 00:54:47,285 --> 00:54:48,702 I need to talk to someone 1397 00:54:48,702 --> 00:54:51,955 who has stared directly into the face of racism. 1398 00:54:51,955 --> 00:54:53,999 - July 16th... - Mm-hmm. 1399 00:54:53,999 --> 00:54:55,333 - ...2022. - Mm-hmm. 1400 00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:57,210 - Difficult day for you. - Very. 1401 00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:58,461 And for America. 1402 00:54:58,461 --> 00:54:59,922 {\an8}The popular kids amusement park 1403 00:54:59,922 --> 00:55:02,257 {\an8}apologized after a video went viral X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 apologized after a video went viral 1404 00:55:02,257 --> 00:55:04,467 {\an8}that appeared to show a costumed character 1405 00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:05,760 {\an8}snubbing two Black girls. 1406 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,637 {\an8}Okay, you see the character coming, 1407 00:55:07,637 --> 00:55:09,889 {\an8}high-fiving everybody as he goes down the street. 1408 00:55:09,889 --> 00:55:11,557 {\an8}Gets to those two little girls. 1409 00:55:11,557 --> 00:55:13,225 {\an8}And appears to just flat out say no, 1410 00:55:13,225 --> 00:55:14,310 {\an8}and you see the little girls, 1411 00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:16,019 {\an8}and their faces, and they're heartbroken. 1412 00:55:16,645 --> 00:55:17,854 {\an8}MATT: Meet Jodi Brown. 1413 00:55:17,854 --> 00:55:19,189 {\an8}The mother who was victimized 1414 00:55:19,189 --> 00:55:21,692 {\an8}at the hands of Rosita, the Sesame Street character. 1415 00:55:22,275 --> 00:55:25,445 She was reluctant to talk about the traumatic incident, 1416 00:55:25,445 --> 00:55:26,987 but for $50,000, 1417 00:55:26,987 --> 00:55:29,657 she was willing to tell her tragic story. 1418 00:55:29,657 --> 00:55:33,285 Now, you have described this moment as disgusting. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Now, you have described this moment as disgusting. 1419 00:55:33,285 --> 00:55:37,122 Because I feel like if you are able to acknowledge 1420 00:55:37,122 --> 00:55:40,334 someone before my children and after my children, 1421 00:55:40,334 --> 00:55:43,462 you could've stopped two seconds just to say hello. 1422 00:55:43,462 --> 00:55:47,298 This was something targeted at your... you and your child. 1423 00:55:47,298 --> 00:55:50,093 It was a very intentional racist act. 1424 00:55:50,093 --> 00:55:53,387 We don't want some explanation that, "Oh, the performer 1425 00:55:53,387 --> 00:55:55,389 "didn't see these two young girls." 1426 00:55:55,389 --> 00:55:56,932 Which one of them is in isolation today 1427 00:55:56,932 --> 00:55:59,017 from the harm that is being caused by this company. 1428 00:55:59,017 --> 00:56:00,477 So we're gonna demand X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So we're gonna demand 1429 00:56:00,477 --> 00:56:03,896 that they take care of any type of healthcare 1430 00:56:03,896 --> 00:56:05,898 or mental care expenses 1431 00:56:05,898 --> 00:56:07,358 that these children have realized. 1432 00:56:07,358 --> 00:56:09,276 {\an8}And who is Rosita? Who's in that costume? 1433 00:56:09,276 --> 00:56:10,361 {\an8}Mel Gibson. 1434 00:56:10,361 --> 00:56:12,029 {\an8}I think that person needs to be, 1435 00:56:12,029 --> 00:56:13,614 {\an8}you know, held accountable. 1436 00:56:13,614 --> 00:56:15,491 {\an8}- Fired and held to account. - Absolutely fired. 1437 00:56:15,491 --> 00:56:17,659 {\an8}Well, before you fire 'em, 1438 00:56:17,659 --> 00:56:19,411 {\an8}teach 'em why they're being fired. 1439 00:56:19,411 --> 00:56:20,746 {\an8}- [APPLAUSE] - WOMAN: And then let them go. 1440 00:56:20,746 --> 00:56:22,664 {\an8}And then let them go. 1441 00:56:22,664 --> 00:56:27,043 How do we fix the endemic racism among mascots? 1442 00:56:28,378 --> 00:56:31,839 Mascots, I feel, like, need to be trained better. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Mascots, I feel, like, need to be trained better. 1443 00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:34,174 Do you know who the employee is that was 1444 00:56:34,174 --> 00:56:36,135 - in the costume? - No. 1445 00:56:36,135 --> 00:56:38,595 That information was never given to me. 1446 00:56:39,596 --> 00:56:41,014 Uh, do we know if they're white? 1447 00:56:41,556 --> 00:56:44,225 Um, that information was also not given to me. 1448 00:56:46,185 --> 00:56:48,396 [FUNKY MUSIC PLAYING] 1449 00:56:51,774 --> 00:56:54,777 {\an8}Do you think American society is racist? 1450 00:56:54,777 --> 00:56:56,236 {\an8}There is an epidemic of hate 1451 00:56:56,236 --> 00:56:57,655 {\an8}in the United States of America. 1452 00:56:57,655 --> 00:56:58,822 {\an8}Threats of violence. 1453 00:56:58,822 --> 00:57:01,199 {\an8}Threats of death and destruction. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Threats of death and destruction. 1454 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:04,577 {\an8}Hate and racism are alive and well in America. 1455 00:57:04,577 --> 00:57:06,579 This is just absolutely crazy. 1456 00:57:06,579 --> 00:57:08,706 {\an8}She was verbally attacked by a group of men. 1457 00:57:08,706 --> 00:57:10,041 {\an8}And I heard 1458 00:57:10,041 --> 00:57:12,209 {\an8}distinctly them saying "Donald Trump." 1459 00:57:12,209 --> 00:57:13,335 {\an8}REPORTER: ...where a hate crime 1460 00:57:13,335 --> 00:57:14,711 {\an8}is being investigated... 1461 00:57:14,711 --> 00:57:16,130 {\an8}...third consecutive year 1462 00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:18,048 {\an8}a noose has been found on campus. 1463 00:57:18,048 --> 00:57:20,592 {\an8}Bitter, brutal hate crimes that are on the rise. 1464 00:57:20,592 --> 00:57:22,385 {\an8}17% increase. 1465 00:57:22,385 --> 00:57:23,511 {\an8}REPORTER 1: 20% increase. 1466 00:57:23,511 --> 00:57:24,846 {\an8}REPORTER 2: 55%. 1467 00:57:24,846 --> 00:57:26,514 {\an8}Hate crimes have surged... 1468 00:57:26,514 --> 00:57:29,142 {\an8}REPORTER 1: More than 7,200 hate crimes. 1469 00:57:29,142 --> 00:57:32,728 A noose was found in Bubba's garage. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 A noose was found in Bubba's garage. 1470 00:57:32,728 --> 00:57:34,479 {\an8}It's not about racing. 1471 00:57:34,479 --> 00:57:36,065 It's about race. 1472 00:57:36,065 --> 00:57:37,900 {\an8}The Jussie Smollett hate crime case 1473 00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:39,943 {\an8}shows what appears to be a noose 1474 00:57:39,943 --> 00:57:41,861 {\an8}around the Empire actor's neck. 1475 00:57:41,861 --> 00:57:45,031 You could not get more reprehensible than a noose. 1476 00:57:45,031 --> 00:57:48,326 We have a media that's saying it's a debate whether or not 1477 00:57:48,326 --> 00:57:49,953 what just happened to Jussie Smollett 1478 00:57:49,953 --> 00:57:51,829 is a hate crime. It's absurd. 1479 00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:53,164 {\an8}I've been truthful and consistent 1480 00:57:53,164 --> 00:57:55,040 {\an8}on every single level since day one. 1481 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,751 {\an8}Right now, there is a domestic terrorism prevention bill 1482 00:57:57,751 --> 00:57:58,919 {\an8}moving through the house. 1483 00:57:58,919 --> 00:58:01,922 {\an8}The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 The COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act. 1484 00:58:01,922 --> 00:58:03,006 {\an8}Thank you. 1485 00:58:03,006 --> 00:58:05,342 {\an8}The hate crimes task force is investigating... 1486 00:58:05,342 --> 00:58:06,676 {\an8}- REPORTER: Hate crimes. - Hate crimes. 1487 00:58:06,676 --> 00:58:07,844 {\an8}- Hate crime. - Hate crime. 1488 00:58:07,844 --> 00:58:09,554 {\an8}- REPORTER: Hate crime. - [LAUGHING] 1489 00:58:13,265 --> 00:58:14,641 [SIGHS SOFTLY] 1490 00:58:15,851 --> 00:58:17,228 Hate crimes. 1491 00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:21,272 Thoughts? 1492 00:58:22,107 --> 00:58:25,151 {\an8}I think that hate crimes are bad. 1493 00:58:25,151 --> 00:58:27,737 {\an8}Hate in general, uh, is not good. 1494 00:58:27,737 --> 00:58:29,239 But they're everywhere now. 1495 00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:30,323 - No. - It's an epidemic. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - No. - It's an epidemic. 1496 00:58:30,323 --> 00:58:32,032 No, it's... it's not. 1497 00:58:32,867 --> 00:58:33,909 Well, out of, what, 1498 00:58:33,909 --> 00:58:37,037 20 million index crimes a year, 1499 00:58:37,037 --> 00:58:39,414 there are 6,000, 7,000 hate crimes. 1500 00:58:39,414 --> 00:58:41,041 No, there's no epidemic. 1501 00:58:41,041 --> 00:58:42,292 This is one of those things 1502 00:58:42,292 --> 00:58:44,168 where there's a huge disconnect 1503 00:58:44,168 --> 00:58:45,754 between media presentation, 1504 00:58:45,754 --> 00:58:48,297 and this really is something I research professionally. 1505 00:58:48,297 --> 00:58:49,841 And one of the reasons that you're probably 1506 00:58:49,841 --> 00:58:52,843 talking to me also is I wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax, 1507 00:58:52,843 --> 00:58:55,596 and I mean, I noted that over a period of maybe... 1508 00:58:55,596 --> 00:58:56,889 You wrote the book called what? 1509 00:58:56,889 --> 00:58:58,849 Uh, Hate Crime Hoax. 1510 00:58:58,849 --> 00:59:00,809 I pointed out that a lot of these incidents, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I pointed out that a lot of these incidents, 1511 00:59:00,809 --> 00:59:02,144 Jussie Smollett, uh, 1512 00:59:02,144 --> 00:59:04,646 Covington Catholic, Yasmin Seweid, 1513 00:59:04,646 --> 00:59:06,689 Duke lacrosse, Bubba Wallace... 1514 00:59:06,689 --> 00:59:07,774 Terrible story. 1515 00:59:07,774 --> 00:59:09,651 Uh, but they didn't happen. That's the thing. 1516 00:59:09,651 --> 00:59:11,653 None of those stories that I'm mentioning happened. 1517 00:59:11,653 --> 00:59:13,237 I mean, you can just go on and on with this. 1518 00:59:13,237 --> 00:59:15,614 Uh, Kansas State, the horrible racial epithets 1519 00:59:15,614 --> 00:59:17,408 written on upscale vehicles... 1520 00:59:17,408 --> 00:59:19,326 Okay. Let... Let's... 1521 00:59:19,326 --> 00:59:20,911 Let's slow down here for a moment. 1522 00:59:22,203 --> 00:59:24,748 So you wrote the book, Hate Crime Hoax? 1523 00:59:24,748 --> 00:59:25,832 Yes. 1524 00:59:25,832 --> 00:59:27,750 We're missing a word in our notes on that. 1525 00:59:28,376 --> 00:59:29,377 Uh... 1526 00:59:29,377 --> 00:59:31,003 That's an issue from the producer there X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That's an issue from the producer there 1527 00:59:31,003 --> 00:59:32,129 if it just says "Hate Crimes," 1528 00:59:32,129 --> 00:59:34,340 or "Hate Crime Epidemic," or something like that. 1529 00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:35,425 Yeah. 1530 00:59:36,341 --> 00:59:38,593 Uh, and you say that you're Black? 1531 00:59:39,845 --> 00:59:40,846 Yes. 1532 00:59:40,846 --> 00:59:43,932 Don't the statistics 1533 00:59:45,267 --> 00:59:48,394 show that anti-Black hate crimes 1534 00:59:49,145 --> 00:59:50,980 are a huge problem? 1535 00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:52,857 If you break down the statistics. 1536 00:59:52,857 --> 00:59:54,442 Well, I think that depends on your definition 1537 00:59:54,442 --> 00:59:56,485 of a huge problem. I mean, so the... 1538 00:59:56,485 --> 00:59:57,820 One of the biggest problems. 1539 00:59:57,820 --> 01:00:00,155 No. The statistics absolutely do not show that. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 No. The statistics absolutely do not show that. 1540 01:00:00,155 --> 01:00:01,448 What are the statistics? 1541 01:00:01,448 --> 01:00:03,992 If you go into the FBI numbers annually, 1542 01:00:03,992 --> 01:00:06,494 there are maybe 7,000 1543 01:00:06,494 --> 01:00:09,622 actual reported, documented hate crimes 1544 01:00:09,622 --> 01:00:11,082 - in a typical... - In a day? 1545 01:00:11,082 --> 01:00:13,250 No, in a typical year. 1546 01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:16,503 But the total number of crimes in the United States, 1547 01:00:16,503 --> 01:00:19,923 more than 2 million committed by African Americans. 1548 01:00:19,923 --> 01:00:22,426 Almost a million committed against African Americans. 1549 01:00:22,426 --> 01:00:23,510 This is just violent crimes. 1550 01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:25,095 And it's just the case 1551 01:00:25,095 --> 01:00:27,597 that there are way more crimes than there are hate crimes. 1552 01:00:27,597 --> 01:00:31,226 No one thinks that direct racial conflict X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 No one thinks that direct racial conflict 1553 01:00:31,226 --> 01:00:33,060 is one of the biggest problems in the country 1554 01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:35,563 unless they've been told by the media that it is. 1555 01:00:35,563 --> 01:00:38,107 Uh, why are we talking about statistics? 1556 01:00:38,107 --> 01:00:39,775 This is not a matter of statistics. 1557 01:00:39,775 --> 01:00:41,735 Well, you asked me about the statistics. 1558 01:00:43,778 --> 01:00:45,364 Every week practically, 1559 01:00:46,072 --> 01:00:47,991 we hear another story about 1560 01:00:48,867 --> 01:00:50,076 someone reporting a hate crime. 1561 01:00:50,076 --> 01:00:52,036 Let's say, they find a noose. 1562 01:00:52,036 --> 01:00:56,040 Uh, they found a racist note on a receipt. 1563 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,625 So, saying there's a hate crime every week 1564 01:00:57,625 --> 01:00:59,209 is absolutely meaningless. 1565 01:00:59,209 --> 01:01:00,919 If you really wanted to solve crime, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 If you really wanted to solve crime, 1566 01:01:00,919 --> 01:01:02,963 you'd talk about Black-on-Black crime, 1567 01:01:02,963 --> 01:01:05,257 you'd talk about addiction in poor white communities. 1568 01:01:05,257 --> 01:01:07,592 You'd talk about almost anything 1569 01:01:07,592 --> 01:01:10,720 but what the major media seems intent on focusing on. 1570 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,930 Most of those stories turn out to be complete fakes. 1571 01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:14,849 It seems like the real conversation to have 1572 01:01:14,849 --> 01:01:16,642 would be about something like hysteria 1573 01:01:16,642 --> 01:01:19,561 and neuroticism among Americans. 1574 01:01:19,561 --> 01:01:23,023 It becomes an opportunity for a conversation 1575 01:01:23,023 --> 01:01:24,441 about race in America. 1576 01:01:24,441 --> 01:01:25,734 And we can always use more of that. 1577 01:01:25,734 --> 01:01:27,653 I absolutely disagree... 1578 01:01:27,653 --> 01:01:28,779 With what part? 1579 01:01:28,779 --> 01:01:30,696 That we can... I disagree with all of that. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 That we can... I disagree with all of that. 1580 01:01:30,696 --> 01:01:33,283 Have you heard yet that I'm a certified DEI expert? 1581 01:01:35,117 --> 01:01:36,369 Here's my certification. 1582 01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:38,954 "DiversityInclusion Training.com. 1583 01:01:38,954 --> 01:01:40,622 "Making compliance fast, easy, and painless." 1584 01:01:40,622 --> 01:01:41,874 You don't need to read that much. 1585 01:01:41,874 --> 01:01:44,043 - Just... Yeah, give it back. - I... I don't know... 1586 01:01:44,043 --> 01:01:45,960 - something... - That's not the point. 1587 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,005 The demand for racism in society right now 1588 01:01:49,005 --> 01:01:51,132 greatly outweighs the supply. 1589 01:01:51,132 --> 01:01:54,718 We've attached a sort of value to being a victim. 1590 01:01:54,718 --> 01:01:56,262 People report these crimes 1591 01:01:56,262 --> 01:01:59,348 because they know the response will be immediate. 1592 01:01:59,348 --> 01:02:02,518 It will be sensationalistic. It will be very supportive. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It will be sensationalistic. It will be very supportive. 1593 01:02:02,518 --> 01:02:04,937 Why would Jussie Smollett say what he did? 1594 01:02:04,937 --> 01:02:06,313 The entire thing was complete nonsense, 1595 01:02:06,313 --> 01:02:07,397 and I think most serious people 1596 01:02:07,397 --> 01:02:08,481 knew this from the beginning. 1597 01:02:08,481 --> 01:02:11,568 If it was such an obvious hoax, then why... 1598 01:02:11,568 --> 01:02:12,944 why didn't we hear it from the media? 1599 01:02:12,944 --> 01:02:16,155 From, uh, Kamala Harris, all the late night talk shows. 1600 01:02:16,155 --> 01:02:19,283 The question is not, why would they ever 1601 01:02:19,283 --> 01:02:20,867 say something that's not true? 1602 01:02:20,867 --> 01:02:23,287 It's, sort of, why do we believe? 1603 01:02:23,287 --> 01:02:24,871 Because this had a major national impact. 1604 01:02:24,871 --> 01:02:26,582 This itself impacted race relations 1605 01:02:26,582 --> 01:02:27,833 by a couple of points. 1606 01:02:29,084 --> 01:02:31,086 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [TENSE MUSIC PLAYING] 1607 01:02:34,755 --> 01:02:36,716 {\an8}MATT: Despite what the statistics say, 1608 01:02:36,716 --> 01:02:39,635 this country isn't safe for people of color. 1609 01:02:39,635 --> 01:02:42,012 I've heard it over and over. 1610 01:02:42,512 --> 01:02:44,264 If only I could walk in their shoes, 1611 01:02:44,264 --> 01:02:46,266 then I'd really know what they go through. 1612 01:02:47,976 --> 01:02:48,977 Looks cold out there. 1613 01:02:48,977 --> 01:02:50,437 WOMAN ON TV: It's two o'clock in the morning. 1614 01:02:50,437 --> 01:02:51,605 MATT: Man, I'm hungry. 1615 01:02:51,605 --> 01:02:52,939 WOMAN: You're going to Subway. 1616 01:02:52,939 --> 01:02:54,690 MATT: Where can I get food at this hour? 1617 01:02:54,690 --> 01:02:56,109 SMOLLETT ON TV: Subway is open 24 hours. 1618 01:02:56,109 --> 01:02:58,069 Like, people kill me when they say things like that. 1619 01:02:58,069 --> 01:03:01,071 {\an8}Because it's like, Subway is open 24 hours for a reason. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Because it's like, Subway is open 24 hours for a reason. 1620 01:03:01,071 --> 01:03:02,490 {\an8}So that when you hungry at night 1621 01:03:02,490 --> 01:03:04,700 {\an8}and you ain't got no food, you go to Subway. 1622 01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:06,869 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 1623 01:03:15,627 --> 01:03:17,419 WOMAN: What happened that night, Jussie? 1624 01:03:17,419 --> 01:03:20,631 {\an8}I went to the Subway and got the order. 1625 01:03:26,887 --> 01:03:30,390 {\an8}You have to understand also that it's Chicago. In winter. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 You have to understand also that it's Chicago. In winter. 1626 01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:32,475 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1627 01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:41,525 [MUSIC TURNS TENSE] 1628 01:03:55,914 --> 01:04:00,209 {\an8}I, uh, heard as I was crossing the intersection, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I, uh, heard as I was crossing the intersection, 1629 01:04:00,209 --> 01:04:01,294 {\an8}I heard, "Empire." 1630 01:04:01,294 --> 01:04:03,003 MAN: Daily Wire. 1631 01:04:05,548 --> 01:04:07,883 {\an8}And I don't answer to "Empire." [CHUCKLES] 1632 01:04:07,883 --> 01:04:10,302 {\an8}My name ain't Empire. Uh... 1633 01:04:10,927 --> 01:04:11,928 And I didn't answer. 1634 01:04:11,928 --> 01:04:13,388 I kept walking, and then I heard, 1635 01:04:13,388 --> 01:04:15,222 {\an8}"[BLEEP] Empire... [BLEEP]" 1636 01:04:15,222 --> 01:04:17,058 So I turned around, and I said... 1637 01:04:17,058 --> 01:04:18,475 "The [BLEEP] did you just say to me? 1638 01:04:18,475 --> 01:04:19,727 {\an8}And I see... 1639 01:04:21,103 --> 01:04:22,854 {\an8}the uh, attacker. 1640 01:04:22,854 --> 01:04:24,231 {\an8}Uh, masked. 1641 01:04:27,067 --> 01:04:29,152 {\an8}...that I had said that they were wearing 1642 01:04:29,152 --> 01:04:30,654 {\an8}MAGA hats, I never said that. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 MAGA hats, I never said that. 1643 01:04:33,406 --> 01:04:35,658 {\an8}And... he said, 1644 01:04:35,658 --> 01:04:37,827 -" This MAGA country, [BLEEP]." - This MAGA country, [BLEEP]. 1645 01:04:37,827 --> 01:04:39,412 {\an8}Punches me right in the face. 1646 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:41,163 [GROANS] 1647 01:04:41,163 --> 01:04:42,623 {\an8}So I punched his ass back. 1648 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,583 - [SOFT PUNCH] - Hmm? 1649 01:04:44,583 --> 01:04:46,876 {\an8}And then, um, we started tussling, 1650 01:04:46,876 --> 01:04:48,003 {\an8}you know, it was very icy. 1651 01:04:50,172 --> 01:04:52,466 {\an8}Fighting, fighting, fighting. There was a second person 1652 01:04:52,466 --> 01:04:54,718 {\an8}involved, who was kicking me in my back. 1653 01:04:54,718 --> 01:04:57,011 - [GRUNTING] - [DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1654 01:05:00,348 --> 01:05:02,266 {\an8}And then I... I smelled bleach. 1655 01:05:02,266 --> 01:05:03,517 {\an8}I know the smell of bleach. 1656 01:05:03,517 --> 01:05:05,811 MAN: Hit him with the bleach! Hit him with the bleach! 1657 01:05:07,020 --> 01:05:08,814 {\an8}Then it just stopped. 1658 01:05:08,814 --> 01:05:09,982 {\an8}And... 1659 01:05:11,274 --> 01:05:12,692 {\an8}they ran off. 1660 01:05:12,692 --> 01:05:14,402 [DRAMATIC CHORD PLAYS] 1661 01:05:17,196 --> 01:05:18,615 {\an8}And I... Then I looked down, and I see 1662 01:05:18,615 --> 01:05:19,991 {\an8}that there's a rope around my neck. 1663 01:05:22,618 --> 01:05:23,953 {\an8}You hadn't noticed it before... 1664 01:05:23,953 --> 01:05:25,204 {\an8}No. 'Cause it was so fast. 1665 01:05:25,204 --> 01:05:26,955 {\an8}I noticed the rope around my neck, 1666 01:05:26,955 --> 01:05:28,665 {\an8}and I started screaming. 1667 01:05:28,665 --> 01:05:31,084 And I said, "There's a [BLEEP] rope around my neck. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And I said, "There's a [BLEEP] rope around my neck. 1668 01:05:32,878 --> 01:05:34,880 {\an8}If the attackers are never found, 1669 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,465 {\an8}how will you be able to heal? 1670 01:05:37,465 --> 01:05:39,550 {\an8}[TENSE MUSIC BUILDS] 1671 01:05:42,637 --> 01:05:43,638 {\an8}Um... 1672 01:05:44,554 --> 01:05:45,555 {\an8}I don't know. 1673 01:05:45,555 --> 01:05:47,975 {\an8}Let's just hope that they are. [BREATH TREMBLES] 1674 01:05:47,975 --> 01:05:49,101 {\an8}You know what I'm saying? 1675 01:05:49,101 --> 01:05:51,102 {\an8}Like, let's... let's not go there yet. 1676 01:05:53,104 --> 01:05:54,773 [GROANS] 1677 01:05:54,773 --> 01:05:56,650 [SIRENS WAILING DISTANTLY] 1678 01:05:56,650 --> 01:05:57,734 [GROANS] 1679 01:05:58,401 --> 01:05:59,402 MATT: On second thought, 1680 01:05:59,402 --> 01:06:00,944 I don't really feel like Subway. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I don't really feel like Subway. 1681 01:06:06,659 --> 01:06:07,660 Hi, Robin. 1682 01:06:08,201 --> 01:06:09,619 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 1683 01:06:09,619 --> 01:06:11,038 Robin DiAngelo. 1684 01:06:12,164 --> 01:06:13,415 It's an honor. 1685 01:06:13,415 --> 01:06:14,832 It's an honor to meet you. 1686 01:06:14,832 --> 01:06:16,501 It... [SIGHS] Damn it. 1687 01:06:16,501 --> 01:06:18,961 It's nice to meet you, Robin DiAngelo. 1688 01:06:18,961 --> 01:06:20,087 Dr. Robin DiAngelo. 1689 01:06:20,087 --> 01:06:23,424 Is there a, uh, Mr. DiAngelo? 1690 01:06:23,424 --> 01:06:24,508 Asking for a friend. 1691 01:06:24,508 --> 01:06:25,967 Someone of your esteemed... 1692 01:06:25,967 --> 01:06:27,052 Stupid. 1693 01:06:27,052 --> 01:06:29,346 Robin. Would you sign my book? 1694 01:06:29,346 --> 01:06:31,557 Your book. Would you sign my book I have of yours? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Your book. Would you sign my book I have of yours? 1695 01:06:31,557 --> 01:06:33,642 I'm pleading with you to sign my... 1696 01:06:33,642 --> 01:06:34,851 Please, would you sign my book? 1697 01:06:35,518 --> 01:06:37,437 "To your friend, uh, Matt." 1698 01:06:37,437 --> 01:06:39,105 [SIGHS] Okay. 1699 01:06:39,105 --> 01:06:40,231 This is it. 1700 01:06:40,231 --> 01:06:41,482 Don't screw this up. 1701 01:06:41,482 --> 01:06:42,650 Don't mess this up. 1702 01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:44,068 [EXHALES DEEPLY] 1703 01:06:44,735 --> 01:06:45,903 Let's do the work. 1704 01:06:49,531 --> 01:06:51,533 {\an8}[INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYS] 1705 01:06:52,659 --> 01:06:53,660 {\an8}[CASH REGISTER DINGS] 1706 01:06:54,703 --> 01:06:55,870 - Hi, Robin. - DIANGELO: Hi. 1707 01:06:57,121 --> 01:06:58,331 And what's your name? [CHUCKLES] 1708 01:06:58,331 --> 01:06:59,916 - I'm Matt. - Matt. Hi, Matt. [CHUCKLES] 1709 01:06:59,916 --> 01:07:01,125 Nice to meet you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Nice to meet you. 1710 01:07:01,875 --> 01:07:04,002 I just had to ask who you are because 1711 01:07:04,002 --> 01:07:06,672 you have to be careful. [CHUCKLES] 1712 01:07:06,672 --> 01:07:08,549 You can never be too careful. 1713 01:07:09,382 --> 01:07:11,676 Let's... Let's start with the book. 1714 01:07:11,676 --> 01:07:14,262 One of the most important books of the past century, 1715 01:07:14,262 --> 01:07:16,973 I would say, for my money, White Fragility. 1716 01:07:16,973 --> 01:07:18,391 Uh, you've been in this field for a long time. 1717 01:07:18,391 --> 01:07:19,476 You've done a lot. 1718 01:07:19,476 --> 01:07:22,103 What sort of organizations have you, uh, worked with? 1719 01:07:22,103 --> 01:07:23,729 Do you want me to name? 1720 01:07:23,729 --> 01:07:25,064 Oh, sure. I mean... 1721 01:07:25,689 --> 01:07:26,857 Should I name it? I... 1722 01:07:26,857 --> 01:07:28,942 Okay. Well, but I don't want to be held responsible 1723 01:07:28,942 --> 01:07:30,861 for what they do. [LAUGHS] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 for what they do. [LAUGHS] 1724 01:07:30,861 --> 01:07:31,945 Netflix. 1725 01:07:32,654 --> 01:07:35,656 Google. Amazon. Snapchat. 1726 01:07:35,656 --> 01:07:36,992 And what do you do for them? 1727 01:07:36,992 --> 01:07:39,702 Sometimes it's a workshop, or it's interactive. 1728 01:07:39,702 --> 01:07:42,997 Maybe it would take place over several hours or a day. 1729 01:07:42,997 --> 01:07:45,249 Let's start with some definitions. 1730 01:07:45,249 --> 01:07:49,878 And probably the biggest one to define is racism. 1731 01:07:49,878 --> 01:07:51,463 Well, if you're talking about a white person, 1732 01:07:51,463 --> 01:07:52,881 and you say this person is racist, 1733 01:07:52,881 --> 01:07:55,008 you're basically, to me, saying this person 1734 01:07:55,008 --> 01:07:56,968 is a product of their society. [CHUCKLES] 1735 01:07:56,968 --> 01:07:58,219 Is it possible for a white person 1736 01:07:58,219 --> 01:08:00,263 to be not racist? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 to be not racist? 1737 01:08:00,263 --> 01:08:04,058 I think, in a given moment, we can be more or less racist. 1738 01:08:04,058 --> 01:08:05,434 We're... And so I think of it 1739 01:08:05,434 --> 01:08:08,020 more as a continuum than an either-or. 1740 01:08:08,020 --> 01:08:10,397 Is there any way to get rid of, uh, white privilege? 1741 01:08:10,397 --> 01:08:12,024 If an individual says, 1742 01:08:12,024 --> 01:08:15,235 "I don't want to have this privilege, it feels unfair." 1743 01:08:15,235 --> 01:08:16,653 Is there any way for a man to say, 1744 01:08:16,653 --> 01:08:18,821 "I don't want this privilege"? I mean, we live in patriarchy. 1745 01:08:18,821 --> 01:08:20,948 And you can't just opt out. 1746 01:08:20,948 --> 01:08:22,825 You can do your best to challenge it. 1747 01:08:22,825 --> 01:08:24,952 That, in a way, is opting out. 1748 01:08:24,952 --> 01:08:26,037 That confuses me too, 1749 01:08:26,037 --> 01:08:27,746 because I don't want to mansplain 1750 01:08:28,622 --> 01:08:30,332 - or whitesplain... - Yeah. Well, okay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - or whitesplain... - Yeah. Well, okay. 1751 01:08:30,332 --> 01:08:32,543 What is... Maybe that's important. 1752 01:08:32,543 --> 01:08:34,920 - Yeah. - Segue. What is "mansplain"? 1753 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,547 Well, it would be you explaining to me 1754 01:08:37,547 --> 01:08:41,342 either why what you just did wasn't sexism? 1755 01:08:41,342 --> 01:08:42,593 Or explaining... 1756 01:08:42,593 --> 01:08:43,719 I don't think that's what it is. 1757 01:08:43,719 --> 01:08:46,931 I think "mansplain" is to make an assumption. 1758 01:08:48,098 --> 01:08:49,850 To say something in an assuming way. 1759 01:08:50,893 --> 01:08:53,895 You talked about the problem of, uh... 1760 01:08:53,895 --> 01:08:55,439 of over-smiling... 1761 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,231 - [CHUCKLES] - ...which 1762 01:08:57,231 --> 01:08:59,108 really resonated with me. 1763 01:08:59,108 --> 01:09:01,360 Sometimes smiling at a Black person X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sometimes smiling at a Black person 1764 01:09:02,736 --> 01:09:04,822 can... can be racist. 1765 01:09:04,822 --> 01:09:08,033 It's a reminder. You know, those thousand daily cuts. 1766 01:09:08,033 --> 01:09:10,786 It's a reminder of your position 1767 01:09:10,786 --> 01:09:12,412 in relation to that other person, right? 1768 01:09:12,412 --> 01:09:14,747 Because that person likely knows 1769 01:09:14,747 --> 01:09:16,416 why I'm smiling at them. 1770 01:09:16,416 --> 01:09:18,168 [CHUCKLES] When I go to the grocery store, 1771 01:09:18,168 --> 01:09:19,919 I don't really look at anybody, 1772 01:09:19,919 --> 01:09:22,797 I just do my thing, but I see a Black person, 1773 01:09:22,797 --> 01:09:25,382 I... I feel almost an uncontrollable 1774 01:09:25,382 --> 01:09:27,509 sense of urgency to signal to them 1775 01:09:27,509 --> 01:09:30,346 that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist, 1776 01:09:30,346 --> 01:09:32,013 and that they're welcome. 1777 01:09:32,013 --> 01:09:34,349 Is it the right strategy to be... 1778 01:09:34,349 --> 01:09:35,684 for a white person to say, 1779 01:09:35,684 --> 01:09:38,436 "Well, hey, I'm just going to operate 1780 01:09:39,395 --> 01:09:41,356 "in this situation as a normal person. 1781 01:09:41,356 --> 01:09:42,607 "I'm not gonna think about race. 1782 01:09:42,607 --> 01:09:44,317 "I'm not gonna notice." Just see people 1783 01:09:44,317 --> 01:09:45,651 as human beings. Is that the way it works? 1784 01:09:45,651 --> 01:09:48,362 Yeah, no. First of all, you do see them as a Black person. 1785 01:09:48,362 --> 01:09:50,155 You do. I mean, I'm not gonna pretend 1786 01:09:50,155 --> 01:09:51,615 I don't notice that there's a Black person 1787 01:09:51,615 --> 01:09:54,534 - in the grocery store. - So we want to notice race, 1788 01:09:54,534 --> 01:09:56,160 but not... not too much. 1789 01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,329 We want to be honest that we do. 1790 01:09:57,329 --> 01:09:58,413 We do notice race. 1791 01:09:58,413 --> 01:10:00,749 We don't notice it. Don't focus on it. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 We don't notice it. Don't focus on it. 1792 01:10:00,749 --> 01:10:02,834 - Yeah. Okay. - But think about it. 1793 01:10:02,834 --> 01:10:03,918 But... 1794 01:10:04,627 --> 01:10:06,379 I mean, you notice it. 1795 01:10:07,463 --> 01:10:08,881 Focus on it a little bit, but not too much. 1796 01:10:08,881 --> 01:10:11,800 Yeah. You know, there's a... It's a balance, right? 1797 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,551 'Cause I hear "forget that I'm Black. 1798 01:10:13,551 --> 01:10:14,845 "Don't forget that I'm Black. 1799 01:10:14,845 --> 01:10:16,721 "Notice. Don't notice. 1800 01:10:16,721 --> 01:10:18,140 "Don't deny that you're racist. 1801 01:10:18,140 --> 01:10:20,182 "But also try not to be racist. 1802 01:10:20,182 --> 01:10:22,351 "But don't... But also don't realize that you..." 1803 01:10:22,351 --> 01:10:24,854 - [CHUCKLES] - It makes me... 1804 01:10:24,854 --> 01:10:27,439 - Yeah. - It makes me, uh... 1805 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,524 I'm sorry. I... 1806 01:10:28,524 --> 01:10:30,484 - It's okay. - It just... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - It's okay. - It just... 1807 01:10:30,484 --> 01:10:33,445 - It makes me feel overwhelmed. - Yeah. Yeah. 1808 01:10:33,445 --> 01:10:34,530 [SNIFFLES] 1809 01:10:38,116 --> 01:10:39,450 Just take your time. 1810 01:10:40,535 --> 01:10:42,245 I know you work on this in your seminars. 1811 01:10:42,245 --> 01:10:47,249 People, uh, workshopping actual real-life scenarios. 1812 01:10:48,083 --> 01:10:51,586 So would you mind, kind of a role play where... 1813 01:10:51,586 --> 01:10:53,172 - Okay. - ...I will, in this scenario, 1814 01:10:53,172 --> 01:10:56,550 be the person of color who's bringing concern to you, 1815 01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:59,678 and then you'll show how to navigate that? 1816 01:10:59,678 --> 01:11:01,054 Sure. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Sure. 1817 01:11:01,054 --> 01:11:03,681 Okay. So, workplace scenario. 1818 01:11:05,224 --> 01:11:06,975 - Hi, Robin. - Hi. 1819 01:11:06,975 --> 01:11:09,395 I noticed, uh, you passed by me in the hall 1820 01:11:09,395 --> 01:11:10,521 earlier today 1821 01:11:11,021 --> 01:11:14,650 and you were really overdoing the smile, 1822 01:11:14,650 --> 01:11:16,902 and it made me feel, um, 1823 01:11:17,945 --> 01:11:19,862 patronized and it felt racist. 1824 01:11:20,655 --> 01:11:21,948 And... 1825 01:11:22,949 --> 01:11:25,076 I'm thinking about going to HR about it. 1826 01:11:26,577 --> 01:11:28,120 Well, I appreciate you letting me know, 1827 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,123 and I imagine that's not without its risks. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and I imagine that's not without its risks. 1828 01:11:31,123 --> 01:11:32,874 I certainly would not have intended 1829 01:11:32,874 --> 01:11:34,960 to have that impact on you, but I'm very clear 1830 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,878 that I did have that impact on you. 1831 01:11:36,878 --> 01:11:39,297 I would love to offer you a repair, 1832 01:11:39,297 --> 01:11:41,591 if... if that's something you're ready for. 1833 01:11:41,591 --> 01:11:42,675 I don't want to talk about it right now. 1834 01:11:42,675 --> 01:11:44,385 - Okay. - Because I'm too... I'm hurt. 1835 01:11:44,385 --> 01:11:46,304 Okay. Understood. 1836 01:11:46,304 --> 01:11:48,097 Um, if that changes, let me know. 1837 01:11:48,097 --> 01:11:49,264 When I'm ready to talk, I'll talk to you. 1838 01:11:49,264 --> 01:11:50,975 Yeah. Understood. 1839 01:11:53,268 --> 01:11:54,853 What I would like to do, could we... 1840 01:11:54,853 --> 01:11:56,605 Let's fast-forward to another day. 1841 01:11:57,772 --> 01:11:59,566 - Next day. - Okay. 1842 01:11:59,566 --> 01:12:00,859 Hi, Robin. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Hi, Robin. 1843 01:12:01,485 --> 01:12:03,652 Passed by in the hall again and... 1844 01:12:04,821 --> 01:12:07,823 this time, you didn't even smile at all at me... 1845 01:12:07,823 --> 01:12:09,825 - Okay. - ...and it made me feel 1846 01:12:09,825 --> 01:12:14,412 otherized, excluded, marginalized, um... 1847 01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:17,124 vaporized... 1848 01:12:18,833 --> 01:12:20,335 Now I'm really thinking about going to HR. 1849 01:12:20,335 --> 01:12:21,919 - I don't feel comfortable... - Yeah. 1850 01:12:21,919 --> 01:12:23,671 ...with you in this workplace with me. 1851 01:12:23,671 --> 01:12:25,172 Okay. And yesterday, 1852 01:12:25,172 --> 01:12:27,008 we had the over-smiling incident. 1853 01:12:27,008 --> 01:12:28,175 - Yeah. Now it's under. - Okay. 1854 01:12:28,175 --> 01:12:30,011 It's under-smiling. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1855 01:12:31,053 --> 01:12:32,846 I would say, um, 1856 01:12:33,764 --> 01:12:36,642 "I'm a little bit... I'm a little bit, um, 1857 01:12:36,642 --> 01:12:38,393 "confused about how best to proceed. 1858 01:12:38,393 --> 01:12:41,479 "I can't deny that I am, um... 1859 01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,064 "Would you be willing to give me some guidance..." 1860 01:12:43,064 --> 01:12:44,649 I don't think it's up to me 1861 01:12:44,649 --> 01:12:46,609 - to educate you. - Understood. 1862 01:12:46,609 --> 01:12:50,487 Is there anyone you trust, uh, that I can talk to? 1863 01:12:50,487 --> 01:12:53,407 Maybe another white person whose understanding... 1864 01:12:53,407 --> 01:12:54,491 At this point, I think 1865 01:12:54,491 --> 01:12:55,951 we should take separate hallways. 1866 01:12:55,951 --> 01:12:57,077 Okay. 1867 01:12:57,911 --> 01:12:59,496 - So... - Understood. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1868 01:13:00,455 --> 01:13:04,083 That was a very nuanced, uh, situation. 1869 01:13:04,083 --> 01:13:06,377 Yeah, uh, I did my best. [LAUGHS] 1870 01:13:06,377 --> 01:13:08,129 Probably what I would do in that situation. 1871 01:13:08,129 --> 01:13:10,298 The very last thing that I want to do, 1872 01:13:10,298 --> 01:13:13,426 and, uh, it doesn't even feel right to me 1873 01:13:13,426 --> 01:13:14,927 to end this conversation, 1874 01:13:14,927 --> 01:13:17,137 uh, especially when there are people of color 1875 01:13:17,137 --> 01:13:18,305 - in the room. - Okay. 1876 01:13:18,763 --> 01:13:20,848 Ben, if you're willing 1877 01:13:20,848 --> 01:13:23,726 to come and sit with us for just a moment. 1878 01:13:23,726 --> 01:13:25,269 - BEN: Sure. - Um... 1879 01:13:25,269 --> 01:13:26,353 So is Ben... 1880 01:13:27,354 --> 01:13:29,899 Yeah. This is Ben, uh, producer on the film. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1881 01:13:31,108 --> 01:13:33,402 And, um... 1882 01:13:33,402 --> 01:13:36,112 I thought it would be a powerful opportunity to 1883 01:13:36,905 --> 01:13:40,200 speak directly to a person of color and 1884 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:44,370 confront our racism and also apologize for 1885 01:13:44,370 --> 01:13:47,707 the white supremacist systems that oppress Ben, 1886 01:13:47,707 --> 01:13:49,709 so do you want to go first? 1887 01:13:51,293 --> 01:13:54,671 Well, on behalf of myself and my fellow white people, 1888 01:13:54,671 --> 01:13:56,131 I apologize. 1889 01:13:56,131 --> 01:13:59,343 Uh, it is not you, it is us. 1890 01:13:59,343 --> 01:14:02,220 As long as I'm standing, I will do my best X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 As long as I'm standing, I will do my best 1891 01:14:03,096 --> 01:14:05,765 to challenge it. 1892 01:14:07,183 --> 01:14:10,061 I want to pay you reparations right now. 1893 01:14:10,061 --> 01:14:12,145 Um, will you accept? 1894 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,190 I... I won't turn it down. 1895 01:14:15,190 --> 01:14:16,692 Okay. I don't know... 1896 01:14:18,401 --> 01:14:19,611 um... 1897 01:14:20,278 --> 01:14:22,280 is 20... well... 1898 01:14:22,947 --> 01:14:24,657 This is all I have. Um... 1899 01:14:25,116 --> 01:14:26,158 I, uh... 1900 01:14:27,201 --> 01:14:28,369 - I know that's not... - Um... 1901 01:14:28,369 --> 01:14:29,578 MATT: That's not gonna... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1902 01:14:31,122 --> 01:14:33,790 That doesn't make up for 400 years of oppression, 1903 01:14:33,790 --> 01:14:37,378 but, um, it's all that I have to give. 1904 01:14:38,754 --> 01:14:39,755 Um... 1905 01:14:41,757 --> 01:14:44,175 I... I don't know if it's ever enough. 1906 01:14:44,175 --> 01:14:46,677 Uh, but what I can say is I appreciate the fact 1907 01:14:46,677 --> 01:14:48,053 that you're putting in the work. 1908 01:14:48,679 --> 01:14:51,223 Um, you know, I... I think you're right. 1909 01:14:51,223 --> 01:14:52,808 I don't think... I don't think it'll ever end. 1910 01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:56,186 But, uh, there is... 1911 01:14:56,186 --> 01:14:58,897 there is small progress I think we made today. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 1912 01:15:00,190 --> 01:15:01,233 MATT: Um... 1913 01:15:01,816 --> 01:15:03,652 Did you... Did you want to... 1914 01:15:03,652 --> 01:15:05,444 - That... [CHUCKLES] - ...pay any, uh... 1915 01:15:05,444 --> 01:15:07,030 That was really weird. [LAUGHS NERVOUSLY] 1916 01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:08,656 Why was it weird? 1917 01:15:08,656 --> 01:15:11,159 Uh... Uh, 'cause it seemed really weird to me. 1918 01:15:12,201 --> 01:15:13,202 Why? 1919 01:15:13,202 --> 01:15:14,912 Um, because you just took out your wallet, 1920 01:15:14,912 --> 01:15:16,329 and I don't know, it... 1921 01:15:16,329 --> 01:15:18,791 'Cause I think reparations is like a... 1922 01:15:19,291 --> 01:15:21,876 a systemic, um... 1923 01:15:23,795 --> 01:15:27,424 dynamic and approach and so, I mean, I think that 1924 01:15:28,299 --> 01:15:31,427 there may be some people who would be offended by, uh... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 there may be some people who would be offended by, uh... 1925 01:15:31,427 --> 01:15:33,262 Clearly, you were not offended by that. 1926 01:15:33,262 --> 01:15:35,139 I... I won't turn down cash. 1927 01:15:35,139 --> 01:15:36,682 - Um... [CHUCKLES] - ROBIN: Hmm. 1928 01:15:38,309 --> 01:15:39,810 I think, are we gonna... 1929 01:15:41,311 --> 01:15:44,147 Are we gonna allow ourselves to be uncomfortable and... 1930 01:15:44,147 --> 01:15:46,024 and just do what we can personally, 1931 01:15:46,024 --> 01:15:48,276 or we gonna sit around, 1932 01:15:49,194 --> 01:15:50,861 waiting for the system to catch up? 1933 01:15:52,905 --> 01:15:54,990 Yeah. They go together, right? 1934 01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:56,742 Yeah. But this... this is something 1935 01:15:56,742 --> 01:15:58,202 that I can do right now. 1936 01:15:58,202 --> 01:16:00,120 Why wouldn't I do it? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Why wouldn't I do it? 1937 01:16:04,958 --> 01:16:06,375 Well, clearly, I mean, you did it, 1938 01:16:06,375 --> 01:16:08,211 and he... he was comfortable with it. 1939 01:16:08,211 --> 01:16:09,879 I just, it seems like it's... 1940 01:16:10,546 --> 01:16:12,381 uh, not a systemic approach. 1941 01:16:12,381 --> 01:16:14,258 - Or it just seemed... - It's not. 1942 01:16:14,258 --> 01:16:15,551 'Cause I'm not waiting for the system. 1943 01:16:15,551 --> 01:16:17,094 - I'm acting as an individual. - ROBIN: Yeah. 1944 01:16:20,973 --> 01:16:22,640 I can go get some cash, for sure. 1945 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,267 In my... Yeah. 1946 01:16:24,267 --> 01:16:25,852 If that's something you... you think... 1947 01:16:25,852 --> 01:16:26,936 Yeah. I don't mind. 1948 01:16:26,936 --> 01:16:28,062 Um... 1949 01:16:28,521 --> 01:16:30,356 If that would be something X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 If that would be something 1950 01:16:30,356 --> 01:16:31,899 that would be comfortable for you. 1951 01:16:31,899 --> 01:16:34,526 - Yeah. - Okay. Cool. [CHUCKLES] 1952 01:16:37,154 --> 01:16:39,323 [CASH NOTES RUSTLING] 1953 01:16:52,001 --> 01:16:54,253 {\an8}- That's all the cash I have. - BEN: Oh, well, you know. 1954 01:16:54,253 --> 01:16:55,588 I don't usually carry cash. 1955 01:16:56,213 --> 01:16:57,547 - Thanks. - You're welcome! 1956 01:16:57,547 --> 01:16:58,757 MATT: Um... 1957 01:16:59,841 --> 01:17:02,136 This is powerful to me. I thank you for... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 This is powerful to me. I thank you for... 1958 01:17:02,136 --> 01:17:03,220 BEN: Sure. 1959 01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:05,054 [EXHALES] ...for doing that. 1960 01:17:08,432 --> 01:17:09,851 Well, the last thing is, will you sign my book? 1961 01:17:10,393 --> 01:17:11,769 Oh, of course. 1962 01:17:11,769 --> 01:17:12,853 If you don't mind. 1963 01:17:12,853 --> 01:17:14,522 I'm definitely gonna process that. 1964 01:17:14,522 --> 01:17:16,399 [CHUCKLES SOFTLY] 1965 01:17:18,108 --> 01:17:20,193 MATT: The student has become the teacher. 1966 01:17:21,111 --> 01:17:23,238 My moment has finally arrived. 1967 01:17:23,238 --> 01:17:25,115 [UPLIFTING MUSIC PLAYING] 1968 01:17:25,115 --> 01:17:26,324 It's time to show other white people 1969 01:17:26,324 --> 01:17:27,700 how to do the work. 1970 01:17:28,493 --> 01:17:30,620 And make a little money in the process. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And make a little money in the process. 1971 01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:31,704 I'm taking everything I've learned 1972 01:17:31,704 --> 01:17:32,872 on my anti-racist journey 1973 01:17:32,872 --> 01:17:36,458 and turning it into my own online DEI course. 1974 01:17:36,458 --> 01:17:39,128 Now anybody can earn their own DEI certificate. 1975 01:17:39,128 --> 01:17:42,213 {\an8}And I've already made $3,248. 1976 01:17:42,714 --> 01:17:43,924 But for a more in-depth approach, 1977 01:17:43,924 --> 01:17:45,884 I'm rolling out an in-person workshop. 1978 01:17:45,884 --> 01:17:49,512 I'm calling it the Do the Work! Workshop. 1979 01:17:49,512 --> 01:17:52,265 {\an8}With the purpose of providing practical and innovative, 1980 01:17:52,265 --> 01:17:53,641 {\an8}long-lasting solutions 1981 01:17:53,641 --> 01:17:55,935 {\an8}to promote equality in our society, 1982 01:17:55,935 --> 01:17:58,020 {\an8}Do the Work! Workshop was born. 1983 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,773 {\an8}Our next guest offers a bold and uncompromising workshop X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Our next guest offers a bold and uncompromising workshop 1984 01:18:01,773 --> 01:18:03,900 {\an8}that aims to bring lasting change. 1985 01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:05,777 So what you're doing is you're stretching, 1986 01:18:05,777 --> 01:18:06,861 you're stretching, 1987 01:18:06,861 --> 01:18:08,279 and this is more for you and less for you. 1988 01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:10,656 {\an8}You're stretching up like this, 1989 01:18:10,656 --> 01:18:11,991 {\an8}- and you're stretching out. - Mm-hmm. 1990 01:18:11,991 --> 01:18:14,160 {\an8}What you're doing is you're stretching 1991 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:15,328 {\an8}out of your whiteness. 1992 01:18:15,328 --> 01:18:17,455 Okay, so you're decentering your whiteness. 1993 01:18:17,455 --> 01:18:19,122 You're stretching out of your whiteness. 1994 01:18:19,122 --> 01:18:20,624 {\an8}And you're bringing those 1995 01:18:20,624 --> 01:18:22,793 {\an8}other experiences into yourself. 1996 01:18:22,793 --> 01:18:24,962 {\an8}What exactly does it mean 1997 01:18:24,962 --> 01:18:27,255 {\an8}to do the work with Do the Work! Workshop? 1998 01:18:27,255 --> 01:18:28,715 What does it mean to you to do the work? 1999 01:18:28,715 --> 01:18:30,467 {\an8}There's a reason we say "do the work." X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 There's a reason we say "do the work." 2000 01:18:30,467 --> 01:18:32,468 {\an8}And it is a work that you have to do. 2001 01:18:32,468 --> 01:18:33,803 {\an8}It's right there in the name. 2002 01:18:33,803 --> 01:18:34,887 You know, what is the work? 2003 01:18:34,887 --> 01:18:36,097 It's the work that we're doing. 2004 01:18:36,097 --> 01:18:39,058 {\an8}It's about the doing, and it's also about the work. 2005 01:18:39,058 --> 01:18:41,477 What is to do? It is to do the thing. 2006 01:18:41,477 --> 01:18:43,061 {\an8}We might also use the analogy, 2007 01:18:43,061 --> 01:18:45,689 {\an8}another one I like, of raking leaves. 2008 01:18:45,689 --> 01:18:47,774 {\an8}Uh, the leaves of racism are falling. 2009 01:18:47,774 --> 01:18:49,609 {\an8}We're raking them, they keep falling. 2010 01:18:49,609 --> 01:18:50,693 {\an8}We rake them. 2011 01:18:50,693 --> 01:18:53,112 {\an8}Uh, but you don't get to a point where you say, 2012 01:18:53,112 --> 01:18:54,572 {\an8}"Well, I'm done with the leaves." 2013 01:18:54,572 --> 01:18:55,906 {\an8}Then you have leaves all over the yard. 2014 01:18:55,906 --> 01:18:56,991 {\an8}How can somebody get involved 2015 01:18:56,991 --> 01:18:58,158 {\an8}if they're watching this right now? 2016 01:18:58,158 --> 01:18:59,869 {\an8}Where can people get ahold of you 2017 01:18:59,869 --> 01:19:01,328 {\an8}and see you for your next workshop? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 and see you for your next workshop? 2018 01:19:01,328 --> 01:19:03,163 We're doing the work as we speak. 2019 01:19:03,163 --> 01:19:05,457 {\an8}The workshop is happening 2020 01:19:05,457 --> 01:19:07,083 {\an8}this fall if you would like to sign up. 2021 01:19:07,083 --> 01:19:08,585 {\an8}You don't need to bring anything with you 2022 01:19:08,585 --> 01:19:09,669 {\an8}but an open mind. 2023 01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:12,046 {\an8}We're not letting anyone in who doesn't have an open mind. 2024 01:19:12,046 --> 01:19:14,882 {\an8}Uh, also, there's a fee, of course, uh, as well. 2025 01:19:14,882 --> 01:19:16,800 {\an8}That's described in the... 2026 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,218 {\an8}on the website but, you know, 2027 01:19:18,218 --> 01:19:19,428 {\an8}the open mind is the main thing. 2028 01:19:19,428 --> 01:19:21,722 {\an8}Matt, the certified DEI. 2029 01:19:21,722 --> 01:19:22,973 Thank you so much for being here. 2030 01:19:22,973 --> 01:19:24,557 {\an8}Thank you so much. 2031 01:19:24,557 --> 01:19:26,476 {\an8}Finding white people willing to do the work 2032 01:19:26,476 --> 01:19:27,810 {\an8}isn't exactly easy. 2033 01:19:27,810 --> 01:19:30,146 {\an8}So I also advertised my workshop on craigslist X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 So I also advertised my workshop on craigslist 2034 01:19:30,146 --> 01:19:32,231 {\an8}which, as we know, is the best place 2035 01:19:32,231 --> 01:19:34,108 for finding white people who are willing to do 2036 01:19:34,108 --> 01:19:35,442 just about anything. 2037 01:19:35,442 --> 01:19:38,279 {\an8}- [LIGHT APPLAUSE] - [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] 2038 01:19:39,946 --> 01:19:41,823 Who's ready to do the work? Anybody? 2039 01:19:42,408 --> 01:19:43,659 I know I am. 2040 01:19:43,659 --> 01:19:46,369 Welcome to the Do the Work! Workshop. 2041 01:19:46,369 --> 01:19:47,704 Thank you all for being here. 2042 01:19:47,704 --> 01:19:50,081 Listen, let's get the credentials 2043 01:19:50,081 --> 01:19:51,749 out of the way upfront. 2044 01:19:51,749 --> 01:19:54,043 Um, I am a certified 2045 01:19:54,043 --> 01:19:57,046 diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2046 01:19:57,046 --> 01:19:58,297 Um, I have the card and all that, 2047 01:19:58,297 --> 01:20:00,215 but I keep the card in the back pocket X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 but I keep the card in the back pocket 2048 01:20:01,008 --> 01:20:03,802 for this because I'm just a person on a journey, 2049 01:20:03,802 --> 01:20:04,886 just like many of you. 2050 01:20:04,886 --> 01:20:06,721 But by the end of the nine steps, 2051 01:20:06,721 --> 01:20:09,849 you're gonna start to feel more like an anti-racist ally. 2052 01:20:09,849 --> 01:20:11,768 That ultimately is our goal here. 2053 01:20:11,768 --> 01:20:13,352 Let's dive in right away with step one. 2054 01:20:13,352 --> 01:20:14,437 And here's what we reflect 2055 01:20:14,437 --> 01:20:16,397 both externally and internally. 2056 01:20:16,397 --> 01:20:18,482 It's all about adopting an appropriate, 2057 01:20:18,482 --> 01:20:20,859 uh, attitude of humility, 2058 01:20:20,859 --> 01:20:23,361 and also realizing that racism lurks, 2059 01:20:23,361 --> 01:20:25,405 uh, many places in society we don't expect it. 2060 01:20:25,405 --> 01:20:27,324 This may seem a little strange. 2061 01:20:27,324 --> 01:20:29,826 So I look around the room and point to X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2062 01:20:30,660 --> 01:20:33,204 who we believe, just by looking, 2063 01:20:33,204 --> 01:20:35,915 is the most racist person in the room. 2064 01:20:38,292 --> 01:20:39,293 If you could point. 2065 01:20:39,876 --> 01:20:40,961 I'm out, guys. 2066 01:20:40,961 --> 01:20:42,546 - Appreciate y'all. - WOMAN: Yeah. 2067 01:20:42,546 --> 01:20:43,922 - MAN: Have a lovely day. - Thank you. 2068 01:20:43,922 --> 01:20:46,550 I appreciate it, but this is definitely not my... 2069 01:20:47,843 --> 01:20:49,177 That's uncomfortable. 2070 01:20:49,177 --> 01:20:50,761 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2071 01:20:50,761 --> 01:20:52,180 This is where I'm pointing. 2072 01:20:53,389 --> 01:20:55,766 'Cause why don't we think about pointing at ourselves? 2073 01:20:55,766 --> 01:20:57,935 Why would we rather get up and leave the room? 2074 01:20:58,728 --> 01:21:00,020 Let's go to step two. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2075 01:21:00,020 --> 01:21:02,647 This is a pretty simple, basic anti-racism concept. 2076 01:21:02,647 --> 01:21:04,774 Racism is non-binary. What does that mean? 2077 01:21:04,774 --> 01:21:06,901 It means racism is on a spectrum. 2078 01:21:06,901 --> 01:21:09,863 What does that mean? It means that racism is fluid. 2079 01:21:09,863 --> 01:21:11,239 You might move up or down. 2080 01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:12,365 So you might say, "Well, 2081 01:21:12,365 --> 01:21:13,908 "I'm kind of a three on the racism scale." 2082 01:21:13,908 --> 01:21:15,952 Uh, but there may be moments when you're a six, 2083 01:21:15,952 --> 01:21:17,453 when you're a nine, God forbid. 2084 01:21:17,453 --> 01:21:20,205 You all have numbers on your desks, 2085 01:21:20,205 --> 01:21:22,165 and those are magnetized. 2086 01:21:22,165 --> 01:21:23,876 Where do you think that you are 2087 01:21:25,002 --> 01:21:26,378 on this scale right now? 2088 01:21:26,378 --> 01:21:27,545 Wherever you would judge yourself. 2089 01:21:27,545 --> 01:21:30,132 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2090 01:21:37,930 --> 01:21:38,931 Hmm. 2091 01:21:41,767 --> 01:21:43,059 So, everybody wants to be... 2092 01:21:43,059 --> 01:21:45,354 obviously, we've got a little bit of a traffic jam 2093 01:21:45,354 --> 01:21:47,022 over at zero, one, two. 2094 01:21:47,022 --> 01:21:48,273 Let's just keep that, we'll keep that up there. 2095 01:21:48,273 --> 01:21:50,316 We're gonna keep that in mind as we move on. 2096 01:21:50,316 --> 01:21:53,361 Now, next we move on to what this whole workshop 2097 01:21:53,361 --> 01:21:55,321 is really about, which is uncomfortable conversations. 2098 01:21:55,321 --> 01:21:57,698 Because until we're willing to talk about these things, 2099 01:21:57,698 --> 01:22:00,367 um, healing can't really begin. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 um, healing can't really begin. 2100 01:22:00,367 --> 01:22:01,451 So I want you to think back 2101 01:22:01,451 --> 01:22:04,079 to a racist moment in your life. 2102 01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:06,248 Just something that you remember 2103 01:22:06,248 --> 01:22:07,332 you did or said. 2104 01:22:08,375 --> 01:22:09,543 You wish you could take it back. 2105 01:22:09,543 --> 01:22:11,586 But how does the healing start 2106 01:22:11,586 --> 01:22:14,047 if we're not willing to admit and talk about it? 2107 01:22:14,047 --> 01:22:16,340 I'll give you a racist moment of mine 2108 01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:17,425 from two months ago. 2109 01:22:17,425 --> 01:22:18,717 And I'll tell you exactly what happened. 2110 01:22:18,717 --> 01:22:22,638 I was at a traffic light, 2111 01:22:22,638 --> 01:22:23,722 in my car, 2112 01:22:23,722 --> 01:22:26,016 I see a Black man, man of color, 2113 01:22:26,558 --> 01:22:28,351 appears to be walking up to my car. 2114 01:22:28,977 --> 01:22:30,020 What'd I do, I check to make sure X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2115 01:22:30,020 --> 01:22:31,104 the doors are locked. 2116 01:22:31,104 --> 01:22:32,272 And immediately I thought, 2117 01:22:32,272 --> 01:22:34,482 I hope he didn't hear that little click sound. 2118 01:22:35,107 --> 01:22:36,192 Why did I do that? 2119 01:22:36,943 --> 01:22:38,444 I thought he might be trying to carjack me. 2120 01:22:39,236 --> 01:22:40,905 Unconscious bias. 2121 01:22:40,905 --> 01:22:43,199 Now, in this case, the guy behind me did get carjacked. 2122 01:22:44,616 --> 01:22:46,242 But does that mean 2123 01:22:47,077 --> 01:22:49,663 that the assumption was fair? 2124 01:22:49,663 --> 01:22:51,790 Anybody else would like to share? 2125 01:22:51,790 --> 01:22:54,417 Number eight? Racist moment. 2126 01:22:54,417 --> 01:22:57,212 When I was getting my license when I was 16, 2127 01:22:57,212 --> 01:22:59,755 I was in the DMV, and I was really stressed out. 2128 01:22:59,755 --> 01:23:01,131 It was, like, a terrible day. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It was, like, a terrible day. 2129 01:23:01,131 --> 01:23:03,801 Despacito was a song playing on the radio, 2130 01:23:03,801 --> 01:23:05,177 and I was just, like, so annoyed by it. 2131 01:23:05,177 --> 01:23:06,428 I was like, "Oh my God, I've heard this song 2132 01:23:06,428 --> 01:23:08,972 "so many times," and I just sort of, like, blurted out, 2133 01:23:08,972 --> 01:23:10,098 and I was like, "Oh God, like, 2134 01:23:10,098 --> 01:23:11,516 "can you please turn off the song?" 2135 01:23:11,516 --> 01:23:13,226 The guy at the DMV was a Puerto Rico guy, 2136 01:23:13,226 --> 01:23:14,853 and he just got really, like, 2137 01:23:14,853 --> 01:23:16,020 offended by it, and I was like, 2138 01:23:16,020 --> 01:23:17,939 "I'm so sorry, like, I really didn't mean that. 2139 01:23:17,939 --> 01:23:19,732 "I just kind of yelled at the song 2140 01:23:19,732 --> 01:23:21,317 "just 'cause I was feeling bad inside, 2141 01:23:21,317 --> 01:23:22,693 "but it just came off really bad." 2142 01:23:22,693 --> 01:23:24,319 And I still feel bad about that every day. 2143 01:23:26,321 --> 01:23:27,322 It was racist. 2144 01:23:29,908 --> 01:23:31,409 We're not here to lie to ourselves. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 We're not here to lie to ourselves. 2145 01:23:31,409 --> 01:23:32,494 Now things are getting heated up. 2146 01:23:32,494 --> 01:23:33,578 Now we move on to step six. 2147 01:23:33,578 --> 01:23:34,996 {\an8}Over-smiling. 2148 01:23:34,996 --> 01:23:36,373 {\an8}When you're in a room with a Black person 2149 01:23:36,373 --> 01:23:38,332 {\an8}or person of color, there's this compulsion 2150 01:23:38,332 --> 01:23:40,709 that people have to smile too much. 2151 01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:41,878 You're overcompensating. 2152 01:23:41,878 --> 01:23:43,379 I like to put words into action, 2153 01:23:43,379 --> 01:23:45,714 so Ben, if you wouldn't mind. Ben. 2154 01:23:46,465 --> 01:23:48,967 Uh, let's... for Ben here. Thank you. 2155 01:23:50,886 --> 01:23:53,679 Thanks, Ben. Now, Ben is going to stand here, and 2156 01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:56,016 let's try to look at Ben 2157 01:23:56,807 --> 01:23:59,935 in the least racist way that we know how. 2158 01:23:59,935 --> 01:24:02,146 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2159 01:24:11,821 --> 01:24:13,907 Well, number two, you're not even looking at him. 2160 01:24:13,907 --> 01:24:16,367 I think he's not looking at us, so it's kind of awkward 2161 01:24:16,367 --> 01:24:19,578 to look at someone like they're a specimen. 2162 01:24:19,578 --> 01:24:20,663 If that makes sense. 2163 01:24:20,663 --> 01:24:22,039 Like the... the exercise itself 2164 01:24:22,039 --> 01:24:23,457 is a little awkward, and... 2165 01:24:23,457 --> 01:24:25,584 It's not his job as a Black man 2166 01:24:25,584 --> 01:24:27,711 to make us feel comfortable in this moment. 2167 01:24:27,711 --> 01:24:30,005 That's not what I was saying though. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2168 01:24:30,005 --> 01:24:32,174 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2169 01:24:39,221 --> 01:24:40,222 Hmm. 2170 01:24:43,392 --> 01:24:44,435 Thanks, Ben. 2171 01:24:46,812 --> 01:24:49,356 Now we're gonna really take the gloves off. 2172 01:24:49,356 --> 01:24:51,107 This is where things get real. 2173 01:24:51,107 --> 01:24:52,818 White silence. 2174 01:24:52,818 --> 01:24:55,570 White silence is when we remain silent 2175 01:24:55,570 --> 01:24:56,988 in the face of bigotry and racism. 2176 01:24:56,988 --> 01:24:59,157 Now, what we like to tell ourselves is that 2177 01:24:59,157 --> 01:25:03,452 as long as I'm not using the N-word, okay? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 as long as I'm not using the N-word, okay? 2178 01:25:03,452 --> 01:25:07,247 As long as I'm not voting for Donald Trump, 2179 01:25:07,873 --> 01:25:09,124 I'm not racist. 2180 01:25:09,124 --> 01:25:12,502 By not taking action in the face of racism, 2181 01:25:12,502 --> 01:25:15,046 we are participating in that racism. 2182 01:25:15,672 --> 01:25:17,006 But here's the good news, 2183 01:25:17,006 --> 01:25:20,093 it's never too late to break the white silence 2184 01:25:20,093 --> 01:25:21,760 and speak up against racism. 2185 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,221 Things are gonna really get uncomfortable now 2186 01:25:23,221 --> 01:25:24,513 especially for me. 2187 01:25:24,513 --> 01:25:27,891 Because what I want to do is lead by example. 2188 01:25:27,891 --> 01:25:28,976 My uncle Frank is here today. 2189 01:25:28,976 --> 01:25:30,185 Come on, bring my uncle Frank out. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Come on, bring my uncle Frank out. 2190 01:25:31,019 --> 01:25:33,021 [WHEELS SQUEAKING] 2191 01:25:42,404 --> 01:25:43,405 Thank you, Ben. 2192 01:25:43,405 --> 01:25:45,532 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2193 01:25:48,785 --> 01:25:49,786 Uncle Frank. 2194 01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:53,206 It was 20 years ago 2195 01:25:53,206 --> 01:25:56,084 that you sat at the dinner table with us, 2196 01:25:56,084 --> 01:25:57,335 and not a day has gone by 2197 01:25:57,335 --> 01:25:58,836 that I haven't thought about this. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2198 01:26:00,338 --> 01:26:01,714 You sat at that dinner table, 2199 01:26:01,714 --> 01:26:04,091 and you made what you said was a... 2200 01:26:05,009 --> 01:26:06,135 "joke." 2201 01:26:07,594 --> 01:26:08,929 You asked the question, what's the difference 2202 01:26:08,929 --> 01:26:11,931 between a Mexican man and a picnic table? 2203 01:26:11,931 --> 01:26:13,767 And the answer was, 2204 01:26:13,767 --> 01:26:16,895 a picnic table can support a family of five. 2205 01:26:18,396 --> 01:26:19,647 You're still laughing. 2206 01:26:20,189 --> 01:26:21,774 We all laughed at the table. 2207 01:26:21,774 --> 01:26:23,776 I laughed. 2208 01:26:23,776 --> 01:26:25,403 But I was scared and confused. 2209 01:26:25,403 --> 01:26:27,029 And I was a coward. 2210 01:26:28,155 --> 01:26:30,573 But I'm not gonna be a coward anymore, uncle Frank. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 But I'm not gonna be a coward anymore, uncle Frank. 2211 01:26:31,074 --> 01:26:33,785 You had no right to make that joke! 2212 01:26:34,619 --> 01:26:36,996 Latinx Americans, they come to this country 2213 01:26:36,996 --> 01:26:38,540 and they work hard! 2214 01:26:39,290 --> 01:26:42,209 And your little joke dehumanizes. 2215 01:26:42,209 --> 01:26:43,502 It is not funny! 2216 01:26:44,211 --> 01:26:45,421 Uncle Frank, 2217 01:26:45,421 --> 01:26:50,467 it is not funny to mock marginalized people! 2218 01:26:50,467 --> 01:26:52,052 It's not a joke! 2219 01:26:52,052 --> 01:26:53,554 It's not funny... 2220 01:26:54,930 --> 01:26:56,222 Uncle Frank. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2221 01:27:00,685 --> 01:27:02,312 Okay. Who wants to go next? 2222 01:27:05,648 --> 01:27:07,441 Does anybody have some words for Uncle Frank? 2223 01:27:08,650 --> 01:27:10,527 We're breaking the white silence here today. 2224 01:27:15,198 --> 01:27:17,701 Uh, number six, you're of Hispanic descent. 2225 01:27:17,701 --> 01:27:18,952 What are your thoughts? 2226 01:27:19,786 --> 01:27:21,120 Mm, I have a lot of thoughts, 2227 01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,581 but I just feel like it would be wasted on him. 2228 01:27:23,581 --> 01:27:24,957 But I do have one thing to say. 2229 01:27:24,957 --> 01:27:26,750 If... With your permission. 2230 01:27:27,835 --> 01:27:29,127 [BLEEP] you. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2231 01:27:32,297 --> 01:27:34,091 Yeah, man. [BLEEP] you. 2232 01:27:35,175 --> 01:27:36,176 MATT: Mm. 2233 01:27:36,176 --> 01:27:37,677 I don't talk to anyone in my family 2234 01:27:37,677 --> 01:27:40,638 because they're all [BLEEP] racist white pieces of trash 2235 01:27:40,638 --> 01:27:41,848 in a lot of different ways, 2236 01:27:41,848 --> 01:27:43,933 but the racism is the biggest reason. 2237 01:27:43,933 --> 01:27:45,517 I have cut off every person in my life, 2238 01:27:45,517 --> 01:27:47,103 including my mother and father, 2239 01:27:47,103 --> 01:27:49,480 grandparents, everything. I do not give a [BLEEP]. 2240 01:27:50,063 --> 01:27:51,064 Powerful. 2241 01:27:51,064 --> 01:27:53,775 The message, it's clear. 2242 01:27:56,194 --> 01:27:57,487 Okay, Ben. 2243 01:27:57,487 --> 01:27:58,864 Uh, if you wouldn't mind. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2244 01:28:01,282 --> 01:28:03,409 [LIGHT APPLAUSE] 2245 01:28:06,871 --> 01:28:07,872 Thanks, Uncle Frank. 2246 01:28:07,872 --> 01:28:09,331 See you this weekend. 2247 01:28:10,499 --> 01:28:12,042 All right. Emotions are high, 2248 01:28:12,042 --> 01:28:14,294 and this is where we finally get to step nine. 2249 01:28:14,294 --> 01:28:16,338 We have to ask ourselves, are we ready for 2250 01:28:16,338 --> 01:28:18,965 the healing pain? 2251 01:28:20,091 --> 01:28:21,092 {\an8}Now, 2252 01:28:21,968 --> 01:28:24,553 {\an8}this is when we get to the self-flagellation portion, 2253 01:28:24,553 --> 01:28:25,804 which is the final step. 2254 01:28:25,804 --> 01:28:27,390 - ATTENDEE: Wow. - Would you mind taking a whip? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2255 01:28:30,893 --> 01:28:32,310 Thank you. Thank you. 2256 01:28:34,312 --> 01:28:35,647 MAN 1: What is... 2257 01:28:37,232 --> 01:28:38,983 MAN 2: Dude, this is ridiculous. 2258 01:28:38,983 --> 01:28:41,193 - I'm outta here. You're nuts. - WOMAN: [LAUGHS] Me too. 2259 01:28:41,193 --> 01:28:42,403 - I can't do this. - Um... 2260 01:28:42,403 --> 01:28:44,989 MAN 2: I tried, man. I tried. I'm seriously done. 2261 01:28:44,989 --> 01:28:46,908 MATT: I said it was gonna be uncomfortable. 2262 01:28:48,409 --> 01:28:49,410 [DOOR SHUTS] 2263 01:28:50,286 --> 01:28:52,496 Why weren't they willing to whip themselves? 2264 01:28:53,580 --> 01:28:56,416 Wait. Why were these people willing to whip themselves? 2265 01:28:57,208 --> 01:28:58,626 None of this feels right. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2266 01:29:03,923 --> 01:29:04,924 Um... 2267 01:29:06,175 --> 01:29:07,217 [MATT SNIFFS] 2268 01:29:07,802 --> 01:29:08,803 Hang on. 2269 01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:13,932 This is probably too far. 2270 01:29:14,558 --> 01:29:15,850 [SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYS] 2271 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:18,437 Okay, the workshop's over. [FUMBLES] It's over. 2272 01:29:18,437 --> 01:29:20,689 That was... That's step nine, so... 2273 01:29:22,273 --> 01:29:23,691 Yeah, it's over. Seriously. 2274 01:29:24,442 --> 01:29:26,152 Yep. Thanks. Okay. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2275 01:29:36,328 --> 01:29:37,495 {\an8}[CASH REGISTER DINGS] 2276 01:29:39,038 --> 01:29:40,207 What am I doing? 2277 01:29:41,916 --> 01:29:43,460 What have I become? 2278 01:29:44,961 --> 01:29:46,545 Am I making the world better 2279 01:29:47,254 --> 01:29:50,549 or am I just profiting on people's racial guilt? 2280 01:29:52,008 --> 01:29:53,844 This is all wrong. 2281 01:29:54,386 --> 01:29:56,888 I followed the anti-racist playbook, 2282 01:29:56,888 --> 01:29:58,765 and it led to disaster. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2283 01:30:00,683 --> 01:30:02,727 [UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING] 2284 01:30:04,395 --> 01:30:05,771 All across America, 2285 01:30:05,771 --> 01:30:08,107 {\an8}many companies have implemented a division 2286 01:30:08,107 --> 01:30:10,651 {\an8}of diversity, equity, and inclusion. 2287 01:30:10,651 --> 01:30:12,486 And it's important to have this in the workplace 2288 01:30:12,486 --> 01:30:15,780 no matter how big or small the organization may be. 2289 01:30:15,780 --> 01:30:17,532 {\an8}Joining us this morning is Matt, 2290 01:30:17,532 --> 01:30:20,952 {\an8}a certified diversity, equity, and inclusion expert. 2291 01:30:20,952 --> 01:30:22,036 Good morning. 2292 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,081 Morning. 2293 01:30:25,081 --> 01:30:26,790 Tell us about your journey. 2294 01:30:28,292 --> 01:30:30,253 It hasn't been great, honestly. Um... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It hasn't been great, honestly. Um... 2295 01:30:31,545 --> 01:30:32,546 Yeah. 2296 01:30:35,340 --> 01:30:39,469 And what led you to host this workshop? 2297 01:30:39,469 --> 01:30:41,513 Why is this an important initiative, 2298 01:30:41,513 --> 01:30:44,098 and how did you go about putting the workshop together? 2299 01:30:44,932 --> 01:30:46,601 {\an8}We just did a workshop, 2300 01:30:47,101 --> 01:30:48,477 {\an8}uh, 2301 01:30:48,477 --> 01:30:50,812 {\an8}you know, it didn't go well. Honestly, I'd... 2302 01:30:53,274 --> 01:30:54,275 It... 2303 01:30:56,109 --> 01:30:58,028 I think it's doing more harm than good. 2304 01:30:58,862 --> 01:31:00,446 This whole thing's a scam, I don't know. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 This whole thing's a scam, I don't know. 2305 01:31:01,072 --> 01:31:03,741 So when we think about diversity, equity, 2306 01:31:03,741 --> 01:31:06,202 and inclusion, as we mentioned, there are, 2307 01:31:06,202 --> 01:31:10,998 um, keys to what an organization should focus on. 2308 01:31:10,998 --> 01:31:15,419 So what would you say is, uh, the key for the learning 2309 01:31:15,419 --> 01:31:17,087 that we may want to be doing? 2310 01:31:18,922 --> 01:31:21,340 Even if we're not quite there yet, right? 2311 01:31:22,050 --> 01:31:23,384 Just, uh... 2312 01:31:24,677 --> 01:31:26,095 Just go live your life. 2313 01:31:28,514 --> 01:31:29,515 I gotta go. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2314 01:31:32,142 --> 01:31:34,436 [SOMBER ELECTRO-ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2315 01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:06,841 [MUSIC ENDS] 2316 01:32:16,558 --> 01:32:18,768 [SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING] 2317 01:32:21,312 --> 01:32:22,439 Black, right? 2318 01:32:22,939 --> 01:32:24,273 Yeah. Thanks. 2319 01:32:24,273 --> 01:32:26,359 Haven't seen you around here in a while. 2320 01:32:26,943 --> 01:32:28,611 Yeah. I been out doing the work. 2321 01:32:29,153 --> 01:32:30,154 Huh? X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Huh? 2322 01:32:30,821 --> 01:32:31,989 Been doing the work. 2323 01:32:32,823 --> 01:32:33,824 What does that mean? 2324 01:32:34,908 --> 01:32:36,534 [SIGHS] Well... 2325 01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:38,328 {\an8}- [CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS] - White Fragility 2326 01:32:38,328 --> 01:32:39,913 {\an8}is a really great place to start. 2327 01:32:39,913 --> 01:32:42,457 BYRD: The reason we cannot be colorblind now, 2328 01:32:42,457 --> 01:32:44,501 we're still working on the problem. 2329 01:32:44,501 --> 01:32:45,752 I'm not going to pretend I don't notice 2330 01:32:45,752 --> 01:32:47,461 that there's a Black person in the grocery store. 2331 01:32:47,461 --> 01:32:49,171 {\an8}DEI certified. I'm here to help. 2332 01:32:49,171 --> 01:32:51,007 We live in a white supremacist society. 2333 01:32:51,007 --> 01:32:54,593 Whiteness is even more insidious than I even knew. 2334 01:32:54,593 --> 01:32:56,345 The only thing about white culture 2335 01:32:56,345 --> 01:32:58,304 is buying things and stealing things. 2336 01:32:58,304 --> 01:33:00,223 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 And whiteness also robs you of your brain. 2337 01:33:01,057 --> 01:33:02,433 America is racist to its bones. 2338 01:33:02,433 --> 01:33:03,894 - Um... - It has to burn. 2339 01:33:03,894 --> 01:33:05,686 The entire system has to burn. 2340 01:33:05,686 --> 01:33:08,189 "Why are you blaming me for what my ancestors did? 2341 01:33:08,189 --> 01:33:09,274 "It's not my fault." 2342 01:33:09,274 --> 01:33:11,316 We want to rename the George Washington Monument. 2343 01:33:11,316 --> 01:33:12,401 This country is a piece of shit. 2344 01:33:12,401 --> 01:33:13,986 - [PLATES CRASH] - Love is also 2345 01:33:13,986 --> 01:33:15,445 not always patient and kind. 2346 01:33:15,445 --> 01:33:18,323 It's not that much different than Nazi doctors. 2347 01:33:18,323 --> 01:33:19,908 Republicans are Nazis. 2348 01:33:19,908 --> 01:33:22,035 Kindness is not what is called for. 2349 01:33:22,035 --> 01:33:23,703 It's not funny, Uncle Frank! 2350 01:33:23,703 --> 01:33:25,038 [BLEEP] you. 2351 01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:27,290 I can go get some cash, for sure. 2352 01:33:27,999 --> 01:33:29,667 Raise a glass if you're racist. 2353 01:33:29,667 --> 01:33:30,834 [LAUGHING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [LAUGHING] 2354 01:33:31,252 --> 01:33:32,253 [MUSIC STOPS] 2355 01:33:34,212 --> 01:33:35,297 Okay. 2356 01:33:36,214 --> 01:33:37,758 Let me know if you need anything else. 2357 01:33:37,758 --> 01:33:41,553 You know, this experience has really taught me something. 2358 01:33:41,553 --> 01:33:44,139 The anti-racist industry says that America is racist 2359 01:33:44,139 --> 01:33:45,848 down to its bones. 2360 01:33:46,474 --> 01:33:47,934 And if that were true, 2361 01:33:47,934 --> 01:33:50,102 there wouldn't be anything we could do about it. 2362 01:33:50,728 --> 01:33:53,439 White people could only wallow in their guilt, 2363 01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,774 and Black people in their victimhood... 2364 01:33:57,901 --> 01:33:59,486 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2365 01:33:59,486 --> 01:34:01,237 But it's a lie. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 But it's a lie. 2366 01:34:01,237 --> 01:34:03,865 It's a lie meant to manipulate us. 2367 01:34:03,865 --> 01:34:05,366 Look, we'll never live in a utopia. 2368 01:34:05,366 --> 01:34:06,659 We all know that. 2369 01:34:07,452 --> 01:34:08,578 But we don't have to be held hostage 2370 01:34:08,578 --> 01:34:10,496 by these race-baiting con artists 2371 01:34:10,496 --> 01:34:12,957 who want us to be bitter and angry 2372 01:34:12,957 --> 01:34:14,208 and resentful. 2373 01:34:15,334 --> 01:34:16,877 They're selling us the disease. 2374 01:34:16,877 --> 01:34:19,338 They're telling us there's no cure. 2375 01:34:19,338 --> 01:34:21,173 They don't say that I'm racist, 2376 01:34:21,173 --> 01:34:24,426 and you're a victim, because that's what they think we are. 2377 01:34:25,844 --> 01:34:26,928 They tell us that 2378 01:34:26,928 --> 01:34:29,055 because that's what they want us to be. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2379 01:34:30,473 --> 01:34:33,434 Well, it's time for us to say no. 2380 01:34:33,434 --> 01:34:35,519 [SENTIMENTAL MUSIC CONTINUES] 2381 01:34:47,071 --> 01:34:48,740 [PEOPLE CHEERING] 2382 01:34:49,323 --> 01:34:51,117 Yeah! Yeah! [LAUGHING] 2383 01:34:58,665 --> 01:34:59,791 [MUSIC STOPS] 2384 01:34:59,791 --> 01:35:01,543 [UTENSILS CLACKING] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 [UTENSILS CLACKING] 2385 01:35:06,672 --> 01:35:08,466 Well, bless your heart. 2386 01:35:09,008 --> 01:35:11,135 [CHUCKLES] I got a lot of tables. 2387 01:35:11,135 --> 01:35:13,220 [WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING] 2388 01:35:14,179 --> 01:35:16,473 Hey. You wanna hear a joke? 2389 01:35:22,604 --> 01:35:23,605 [DIALOGUE MUTED] 2390 01:35:23,605 --> 01:35:24,939 [AM I RACIST? BY BRYSON GRAY PLAYS] 2391 01:35:24,939 --> 01:35:27,191 [RAPPING] ♪ I wanna know, am I racist? ♪ 2392 01:35:28,609 --> 01:35:29,610 ♪ Am I racist? ♪ 2393 01:35:29,610 --> 01:35:31,570 ♪ Why do you judge by the color of our faces? ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Why do you judge by the color of our faces? ♪ 2394 01:35:31,570 --> 01:35:34,240 ♪ Is racial division just a plan by the matrix? ♪ 2395 01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:35,324 ♪ They burn down our cities ♪ 2396 01:35:35,324 --> 01:35:36,617 ♪ Then they get called courageous ♪ 2397 01:35:36,617 --> 01:35:39,452 ♪ Instead of condemning, the media give 'em praises ♪ 2398 01:35:39,452 --> 01:35:41,789 ♪ Oh, man, what is the benefit? ♪ 2399 01:35:41,789 --> 01:35:43,623 ♪ When the media ruin our images ♪ 2400 01:35:43,623 --> 01:35:46,209 ♪ If you a white male, you get called a white supremacist ♪ 2401 01:35:46,209 --> 01:35:49,379 ♪ If your opinion and the narrative have differences ♪ 2402 01:35:49,379 --> 01:35:51,881 ♪ Couple that in with all the censorship ♪ 2403 01:35:51,881 --> 01:35:54,008 {\an8}♪ And the damage they can do is limitless ♪ 2404 01:35:54,008 --> 01:35:56,593 {\an8}♪ No Brad Cooper but celebrities defendin' it ♪ 2405 01:35:57,511 --> 01:36:00,096 {\an8}♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2406 01:36:00,096 --> 01:36:02,432 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2407 01:36:02,432 --> 01:36:04,935 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2408 01:36:04,935 --> 01:36:07,437 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2409 01:36:07,437 --> 01:36:10,315 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2410 01:36:10,315 --> 01:36:12,567 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2411 01:36:12,567 --> 01:36:15,027 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2412 01:36:15,027 --> 01:36:17,404 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2413 01:36:17,404 --> 01:36:19,990 {\an8}♪ They make you think that there's no way you can win ♪ 2414 01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:22,409 {\an8}♪ Another news clip, here we go again ♪ 2415 01:36:22,409 --> 01:36:25,078 {\an8}♪ Judgin' somebody by the color of their skin ♪ 2416 01:36:25,078 --> 01:36:27,413 {\an8}♪ Meanwhile, it's all comin' to an end ♪ 2417 01:36:27,413 --> 01:36:29,999 {\an8}♪ They ask why, and I just tell 'em, listen ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 2418 01:36:29,999 --> 01:36:32,418 {\an8}♪ Are you mad because we don't think you a victim ♪ 2419 01:36:32,418 --> 01:36:34,878 {\an8}♪ You made bad choices, then you blame it on the system ♪ 2420 01:36:34,878 --> 01:36:37,297 {\an8}♪ Nowadays bein' white means you can't have an opinion ♪ 2421 01:36:37,297 --> 01:36:38,632 {\an8}♪ Especially if you Christian ♪ 2422 01:36:38,632 --> 01:36:40,801 {\an8}♪ Tell me, is it racist to not want our cities ♪ 2423 01:36:40,801 --> 01:36:42,469 {\an8}♪ Burned down by these mobs ♪ 2424 01:36:42,469 --> 01:36:44,762 {\an8}♪ To not want our stores always gettin' robbed ♪ 2425 01:36:44,762 --> 01:36:47,807 {\an8}♪ Is it racist to treat our race like it's a god ♪ 2426 01:36:47,807 --> 01:36:50,518 {\an8}♪ Oh, man, they gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2427 01:36:50,518 --> 01:36:53,020 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2428 01:36:53,020 --> 01:36:55,439 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2429 01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,858 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2430 01:36:57,858 --> 01:37:00,694 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2431 01:37:00,694 --> 01:37:03,113 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2432 01:37:03,113 --> 01:37:05,531 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2433 01:37:05,531 --> 01:37:08,034 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2434 01:37:08,034 --> 01:37:09,119 {\an8}♪ When you say it ♪ 2435 01:37:09,785 --> 01:37:11,496 {\an8}CHOIR: [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2436 01:37:11,496 --> 01:37:14,081 {\an8}♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2437 01:37:14,081 --> 01:37:18,878 {\an8}♪ Will you set us free ♪ 2438 01:37:18,878 --> 01:37:21,588 {\an8}- ♪ Lord, set us free ♪ - ♪ Sing! ♪ 2439 01:37:21,588 --> 01:37:24,132 {\an8}♪ From these chains, these chains ♪ 2440 01:37:24,132 --> 01:37:27,010 {\an8}- ♪ Will you set us free ♪ - ♪ No! Sing! ♪ 2441 01:37:27,010 --> 01:37:29,095 {\an8}♪ Set us free ♪ 2442 01:37:29,095 --> 01:37:31,097 {\an8}BRYSON: [RAPPING] ♪ They gon' say I'm racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 BRYSON: [RAPPING] ♪ They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2443 01:37:31,097 --> 01:37:33,432 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2444 01:37:33,432 --> 01:37:35,851 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2445 01:37:35,851 --> 01:37:38,270 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2446 01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:41,148 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say you racist ♪ 2447 01:37:41,148 --> 01:37:43,483 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2448 01:37:43,483 --> 01:37:45,818 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2449 01:37:45,818 --> 01:37:48,446 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2450 01:37:48,446 --> 01:37:51,282 {\an8}♪ When you say it They gon' say I'm racist ♪ 2451 01:37:51,282 --> 01:37:53,660 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2452 01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:56,120 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2453 01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,497 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2454 01:37:58,497 --> 01:38:01,375 {\an8}♪ One more time They gon' say you racist ♪ X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 ♪ One more time They gon' say you racist ♪ 2455 01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:03,669 {\an8}♪ But they call everybody racist ♪ 2456 01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:06,087 {\an8}♪ I guess that mean nobody is racist ♪ 2457 01:38:06,087 --> 01:38:08,714 {\an8}♪ Now it doesn't mean much when you say it ♪ 2458 01:38:08,714 --> 01:38:11,009 ♪ When you say it When you say it ♪ 2459 01:38:11,009 --> 01:38:13,761 [SINGING] ♪ Will you set us free? ♪ 2460 01:38:13,761 --> 01:38:14,845 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 2461 01:38:14,845 --> 01:38:18,766 ♪ Set us free ♪ 2462 01:38:20,225 --> 01:38:22,227 - [SONG ENDS] - [LINE RINGING] 2463 01:38:25,522 --> 01:38:27,065 WOMAN: Thank you for calling the Boulder Bookstore. 2464 01:38:27,065 --> 01:38:28,567 How can I help you? 2465 01:38:28,567 --> 01:38:30,193 Hi. I was just in the other day, X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 Hi. I was just in the other day, 2466 01:38:30,193 --> 01:38:31,820 and I saw a certain book that, uh, 2467 01:38:31,820 --> 01:38:34,030 I wasn't ready to read at the time, 2468 01:38:34,030 --> 01:38:35,614 but I think I'm ready. I wanted to see if you guys 2469 01:38:35,614 --> 01:38:37,158 still have it in stock. 2470 01:38:37,158 --> 01:38:38,659 Yeah, what was the title? 2471 01:38:39,284 --> 01:38:43,038 Uh, it starts... So it starts with an "N." 2472 01:38:43,038 --> 01:38:44,331 Um... 2473 01:38:44,331 --> 01:38:45,582 I don't remember the... 2474 01:38:46,666 --> 01:38:48,043 I don't remember the author. 2475 01:38:51,087 --> 01:38:52,213 Um... 2476 01:38:52,213 --> 01:38:53,798 It... It's... 2477 01:38:53,798 --> 01:38:56,133 You don't know the title of the book either? 2478 01:38:56,884 --> 01:38:58,594 Well, it... it's, uh... 2479 01:38:58,594 --> 01:38:59,928 'Cause it got... It's kind of... 2480 01:38:59,928 --> 01:39:01,930 It starts with an "N" and there's kind of, uh... X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It starts with an "N" and there's kind of, uh... 2481 01:39:01,930 --> 01:39:03,139 Well, there's... 2482 01:39:03,139 --> 01:39:04,933 It's like there's... there's a vowel, there's consonants, 2483 01:39:04,933 --> 01:39:06,476 there's a vowel. Um... 2484 01:39:07,352 --> 01:39:09,062 It... It's one word. 2485 01:39:09,062 --> 01:39:11,564 I really... I don't know how to look it up 2486 01:39:11,564 --> 01:39:13,649 without the title or the author. 2487 01:39:14,692 --> 01:39:16,444 Well, it's got kind of... So it starts with an "N." 2488 01:39:16,444 --> 01:39:18,403 And then it's got kind of, sort of, it's got an "I," 2489 01:39:18,403 --> 01:39:20,698 uh, there, it... it's... 2490 01:39:20,698 --> 01:39:23,658 I guess... I mean, we've got thousands of books, 2491 01:39:23,658 --> 01:39:25,910 so I don't really know how to look it up 2492 01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:29,623 with just knowing the two... first two letters. 2493 01:39:29,623 --> 01:39:32,500 It's "N-I..." So it's like an "N-I..." X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 It's "N-I..." So it's like an "N-I..." 2494 01:39:33,752 --> 01:39:35,378 There's the... It's a "G..." 2495 01:39:36,754 --> 01:39:38,172 is in there, and there's another one. 2496 01:39:38,172 --> 01:39:40,716 Let me put you on a brief hold and go check. 2497 01:39:40,716 --> 01:39:42,968 [HOLD MUSIC PLAYING] 2498 01:39:42,968 --> 01:39:44,052 [SNIFFS] 2499 01:39:48,265 --> 01:39:51,643 Thanks for holding. Um, I'm not seeing anything. 2500 01:39:52,477 --> 01:39:54,646 I mean, maybe try to think of the title 2501 01:39:54,646 --> 01:39:56,898 - if you can and call back? - Well, it's... 2502 01:39:56,898 --> 01:39:58,732 Sorry, sorry. I... I know the title. 2503 01:39:58,732 --> 01:40:00,859 I just can't... I can't say the title. X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 I just can't... I can't say the title. 2504 01:40:01,943 --> 01:40:02,944 - And I... - Okay. 2505 01:40:02,944 --> 01:40:04,613 I don't know. I don't think you can say it either, 2506 01:40:04,613 --> 01:40:05,739 so I don't... 2507 01:40:05,739 --> 01:40:07,490 It's a very... It's a triggering title. 2508 01:40:07,490 --> 01:40:09,492 Uh, it actually rhymes with "trigger," actually, 2509 01:40:09,492 --> 01:40:11,827 and, uh, so... 2510 01:40:14,038 --> 01:40:15,581 but that's what I was wondering, 2511 01:40:15,581 --> 01:40:16,874 if it was there. 2512 01:40:18,876 --> 01:40:22,629 Um, I mean, I didn't see it when I just went and looked. 2513 01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:24,381 Okay. But you know what I'm talking about? 2514 01:40:24,381 --> 01:40:25,465 Yeah. 2515 01:40:25,465 --> 01:40:27,259 It... It's that book. 2516 01:40:27,259 --> 01:40:28,760 - Yeah. - MATT: Okay. 2517 01:40:29,386 --> 01:40:31,471 - WOMAN: Okay. Have a good day. - [RECEIVER CLICKS] X-TIMESTAMP-MAP=LOCAL:00:00:00.000,MPEGTS:900000 - WOMAN: Okay. Have a good day. - [RECEIVER CLICKS]