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那既然是 Madonna 的專屬成員，就想先開始聊聊

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是 Madonna 的專屬嗎？

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從近況開始聊起吧

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不是巴士旅行嗎？近況的部分

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近況是...

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那就真的...

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抓取

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抓取

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是非常規業務吧

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對本人來說也是

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那樣的話，雖然是其他公司的活動，但已經拒絕過幾次了

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就像是粉絲見面會之類的

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那比起每個月一次的拍攝，身心上的壓力...

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與其說是壓力，該怎麼說呢，包含那種不安感在內...

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有一種結束了很沉重任務的感覺嗎？

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有呢。畢竟雖然不是整天，但...

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五年一次的粉絲見面會，也有點緊張

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自己覺得表現得如何？第一次辦粉絲見面會

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因為已經變成那樣了

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不太是那種慌張，也不是那種很隨性的感覺

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確實是結束了活動

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一去就沒時間了

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沒辦法那樣聊天

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很想多交流一下

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絕對看得出來

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一起變得興奮起來了

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現在是第幾年了？

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女優出道

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第幾年了？

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嗯

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自己的腦袋裡

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也亂糟糟的，那種人...

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啊，感覺很甜呢

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嗯

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被這樣說會很不爽啦

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算是幾歲開始拍 AV 的呢

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嗯

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算對了

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那個倉庫的藥品工作

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在做揀貨工作

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那個，那個

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購物牆上

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你說的那種，是那種在找東西的工作嗎？

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畢業後空窗了兩年

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喔

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在做派遣

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之前一直窩在家裡啊

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嗯，算是吧，一直窩在家裡

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契機是什麼？

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窩在家裡？

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嗯

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不是，就是高中畢業後

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在決定升學路徑的過程中，有打工之類的嗎？

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喔，所以是那種覺得生活很累的人啊

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原來是那種人啊

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要說起成因的話呢

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要說起成因的話呢

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這個要請我媽跟我道歉才行

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意思是說很情緒化嗎？

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意思是說很情緒化嗎？

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沒有啦，沒那回事

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稍微，對那種性格的人

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是那種會站在你這邊的父母嗎？

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沒關係，會變好嗎？

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不不，我才不會呢

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以前常被說「給我乖乖聽話」之類的喔

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很平常的互動

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父親還在嗎？

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不在

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父親不在了

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那媽媽呢

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媽媽除了家裡以外

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有沒有建立起屬於自己的社交圈呢？

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沒有嗎？

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其實很普通

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說到那種感覺

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果然還是會覺得很壓抑

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內心狀態不太好

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因為今天心情還不錯

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意外地覺得有點討厭

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運動系的人

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很多那種很死板的人

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我比較想要更隨性、更平穩一點的

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那就真的只是擦身而過而已了

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目前為止我覺得我好像

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變成了一個很難相處的人

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對吧，真的是個廢物

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總覺得，在班級的小圈子裡

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每個人都是

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所以說

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原來如此

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是因為有這種個性差異

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所以才能成立的啊

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嗯

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說起來是朋友，還是覺得在班上

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覺得「喔，就是這種人啊」

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嗯嗯嗯

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那有沒有那種跟學校生活完全格格不入的經驗之類的

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好像也沒有耶

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原來如此

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感覺自己也算是在正常地生活著

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進入學校之後

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但因為我很喜歡打電動

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所以那時候都沒去學校

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真是青春啊

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說起來，難道是我的

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很厲害呢

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經驗性的

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嗯嗯

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一個禮拜都不去

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啊—

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嗯，一個禮拜

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那升學之類的會變得很亂耶

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- 最後的高三就變成那樣了 - 而且我也有跟老師說過

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- 畢竟是私立學校 - 私立學校的制度比較寬鬆吧

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- 老師的裁量權很大不是嗎 - 真的就這樣混過去了呢

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- 說起來也算是一種廢物吧 - 早上才睡

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- 趕著起床去上課 - 跟現在也沒差多少

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- 真是青春啊，真的，不過 - 也只能這麼說了

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- 因為只能說了 - 因為我也沒在做其他的啊

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也不需要戰鬥，就是想再多了解一點

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在 DL 的世界裡，帶著色色的心情在享受

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會心跳加速，但不是那種發情的感觉

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有點難解釋

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感覺像是那種，雖然不是說要打手槍啦

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像是看那種留言或戀愛的感覺

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帶著那種熱血沸騰、燃起來的感覺

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那個 BL 時代，Jing 桑完全沒有什麼色色的經驗，完全沒接觸過色情嗎？

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與其說色情，不如說是在還沒了解男人的感覺之前

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就開始拍 AV 了，對自己來說那是什麼樣的感覺呢

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沒有實感，朋友也沒什麼

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因為當時也沒有女朋友

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所以也不會聊那種話題

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像是戀愛之類的

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所以就是說，看 AV 的程度

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頂多就是看那種色情漫畫的程度

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感覺反而更沒問題了不是嗎

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像是那種基礎

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還是沒有現實感

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也是啦

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感覺跟我沒什麼關係

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原來如此

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是貓跟狗呢

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我以前真的覺得這樣很不妙

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養了寵物就會確定會變單身，這不是很常見嗎

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嗯，常聽人這麼說呢

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嗯

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嗯

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已經過很久了

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半年、四年

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已經過了呢

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嗯，過了

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有生物一起生活，不是很棒嗎

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很棒呢

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畢竟如果只有自己一個人的話

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感情就不會有起伏了不是嗎

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吵鬧的時候

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會搗蛋

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也很吵

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也是啦

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跟那個人一起住的話

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也會想著一模一樣的事喔

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所以養了寵物之後

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就會覺得好像滿足了

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有一起住過嗎？

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啊抱歉

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幾年之類的，大概一年

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在自己房間住半年左右

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但住半年之後

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就不會有那種感覺了嗎？

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家裡有生物的感覺

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啊～

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不，我覺得還是寵物比較好

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雖然覺得跟人相處有點累

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有什麼不順心的嗎？

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感覺蠻...

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因為沒辦法對對方表達意見

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所以就會變得很沉默

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因為連討厭的事情都沒辦法說

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就會變得很沉默

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我也會變得很沉默呢

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跟朋友也是一樣

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只要是覺得不太好的事情

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就會變得很沉默

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會去想說說出口之後對方的反應

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嗯嗯，沒錯

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也不想吵架

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嘛，說到跟人相處確實有這種情況呢

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就是說啊

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多少有一點

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我平常都有在正常聊天喔

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什麼意思？

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欸～這樣真的好嗎？

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我其實沒什麼好說的

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嗯嗯嗯

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也沒什麼

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像是上進心之類的

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也沒什麼幹勁

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因為我想一直維持這種沒什麼起伏的狀態

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會不會有那種想說的話呢

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但是「我根本沒什麼上進心啦」這種話

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其實是希望大家能接受

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希望大家能理解

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嗯，理解啦

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希望大家能說些更有氣勢的話

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其實就是在說這些話啦

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現在做什麼事最幸福呢

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現在就是看漫畫最棒了

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現在啤酒喝得超開的

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最近其實已經有點過時了

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像是那個什麼的

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這幾乎都是那種風格嗎

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感覺像是異世界展開

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女王陛下跟...

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對對對

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這個是少年向的

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還有也很喜歡恐怖片

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不是，你超喜歡的嘛

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這種喜好啊，有沒有可以跟人分享

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有沒有可以互相交流的地方

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沒有可以分享的人喔

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周遭沒什麼人懂

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就算有，感覺也合不來呢

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是啊，果然喜好還是...

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攻受都可以切換不是嗎

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也有人覺得「攻方不行」啦

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我個人是很喜歡的

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你可以當作是在聽色色的話題喔

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女生不是常說自己喜歡 BL 嗎

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不是那樣啦

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又不是在摸別人的內褲

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要是這樣說的話，我也會把你們也捲進來的喔

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虽然完全搞不懂在說什麼

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這樣會變得很冷場啦

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那就是我的問題了

237
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把肌肉男跟這個結合起來

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可以喔

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可以喔

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沒問題喔

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我懂

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說到不純的感覺

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帶點那種色色的感覺

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會被這樣看待呢

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不是那樣的喔

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有點不一樣

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那種小鹿撞心的感覺

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這種心跳加速的感覺最棒了

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是啊

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這種心跳加速的感覺

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不是跟那個重疊了嗎

252
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並沒那麼必要

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談戀愛了嗎？

254
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在這29年的人生裡

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第一個男朋友是

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開始工作之後

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大概21、22歲的時候吧

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因為是第一個男朋友

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是怎麼交到的？

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第一個男朋友

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是朋友介紹的

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啊～真和平

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感覺不太妙耶

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那些討厭的部分

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透過介紹就知道了

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遇到的都是討厭的經驗喔

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是隔了4年嗎？

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是隔了5年嗎？

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把運氣帶出來

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我又沒給過什麼指示

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對對對

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剛才那個

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只是太厲害了

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嘿嘿嘿

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就是說啊

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所以說啊

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紅色綠色

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綠色？

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因為喜歡綠色所以氣溫上升了

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又在淘金熱了

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又在瘋狂噴錢了

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哎呀

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沒有啦

284
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站到多利斯那邊

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有這麼大嗎？

286
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啊～要站起來嗎？

287
00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:48,630
啊～真的假的？

288
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已經那樣……哇啊……

289
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:10,960
這樣會變得沒辦法口交了嗎？

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00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,680
蛤？

291
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,180
讓我往這邊走一下！

292
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:44,580
口交很難嗎？

293
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:58,510
沒辦法控制力道……

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00:25:12,510 --> 00:25:16,210
說過沒辦法啦……

295
00:26:01,780 --> 00:26:06,980
你心裡想說「這很厲害吧」對吧？

296
00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:02,970
已經什麼都沒有了……

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00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,880
說什麼很糟糕，真是個不得了的傢伙

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所以，要收購嗎？

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00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:04,230
收購？

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00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:30,160
變得不行了……

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是個會這樣說的人呢……