1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,960 NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY SERIES 2 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,040 Imagine, in a week Pope Benedict will be retired 3 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,480 and will receive reports 4 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,320 about the biggest scandal in his papacy. 5 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,680 In 2013� 6 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,160 EMANUEL'S BROTHER 7 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,560 �we were in the middle of an investigation 8 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,600 related to the certificate Sabrina Minardi. 9 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,560 �Sabri, this is all a power play. 10 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Does he understand that? 11 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,720 And something new happened. 12 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,160 A journalist called me whom I knew well, Fiore de Rienzo, 13 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,080 and told me something new. 14 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,840 A person appeared 15 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,960 who contacted the offices of Chi l'ha visto? 16 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,760 This person referred Fiore De Rienzo 17 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,080 to search the warehouse in the old De Laurentiis studio. 18 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,480 STUDIO DE LAURENTIIS, ROME 19 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Something is hidden in a room full of film material. 20 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,840 He called me and said: Natalina, I found something 21 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,280 and I want you to see it too. 22 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Can we reach you?� 23 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,920 EMANUEL'S SISTER 24 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:28,960 I said yes. 25 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,080 I haven't even opened it yet. 26 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Here are the newspapers, 27 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,200 we can explore what that is later. 28 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,440 - Would you like to open it? - It's worn out. 29 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,800 I was in the eye. 30 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,800 For me it was Emmanuel's flute. 31 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,400 Inside was a bar�un of the same color. 32 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,480 The sewing thread was missing, 33 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,600 She wasn't there 34 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,560 because she is my younger sister Maria Cristina constantly used. 35 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,320 You remember it's a case was it really like this for the flute? 36 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,760 - It fits - Yes. 37 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,920 It is even worn in the corners. 38 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,520 I remember her just like this, 39 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,920 slightly worn. 40 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,480 The man who came to the studio 41 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,480 he told us that the flute belonged to Emanuela Orlando. 42 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,680 What is behind that statement? 43 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,520 Attracting attention? Craziness? 44 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Messages sent by someone else? 45 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Pietro, are you sure? that this flute belongs to your sister? 46 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,720 - I am very skeptical. -In my opinion, 47 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,320 although we are still waiting for the results 48 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,000 forensic laboratory, 49 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,640 I think it's Emanuele's flute. 50 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Why would anyone want to cheat us? 51 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,320 Maybe for the first time in a long time 52 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,560 I reacted emotionally when I saw her. 53 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,360 I saw it in her hands. 54 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,200 Honestly, this new discovery, 55 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,960 they gave us hope. 56 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,120 You must understand the importance of this. 57 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,560 Since Emanuela disappeared 30 years ago� 58 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:19,720 A JOURNALIST 59 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,839 �no evidence has emerged 60 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,360 connected with her. 61 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,839 And now this, 62 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,920 What appears to be Emanuele's flute. 63 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,160 The most famous symbol these young Vatican girls. 64 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,360 I'm Fabrizio Peronaci, 65 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,160 black chronicle journalist for Corriere Della Sera. 66 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,280 It was afternoon and I was in the newsroom at the desk. 67 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,080 The phone rang. 68 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,880 I answered and he told me: 69 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,760 �I am Marco Accetti. 70 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,920 I'd like to talk with journalist Fabrizio Peronaci. 71 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,920 I brought the flute, 72 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,600 but I have to tell you in detail 73 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,840 the whole story. 74 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,240 Can we meet? 75 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,360 I am the kidnapper of Emanuele Orlandi.� 76 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,240 Emotions overwhelmed me. 77 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,280 At the same time, 78 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,840 I had to be sure that he is a real kidnapper. 79 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,480 He said: ``We can meet in half an hour 80 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,920 if he can and wants to 81 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,040 I said, ``Okay, I'm coming, 82 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,320 give me the address.� 83 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,360 I came to the front and parked the car. 84 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,240 The instructions were very precise, 85 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:17,760 he said: 86 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:22,240 Dial this number and let it ring �four times.� 87 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,080 After the fourth tone I hung up. 88 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Then a pretty blonde appeared and said: 89 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,800 �You can study, Marco is waiting for you.� 90 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,080 I passed through a dark corridor. 91 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,840 At the end was a large hall. 92 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,040 To the right was a piano bar, 93 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,240 and to the left is the stage. 94 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,520 But the main lights were off and only some spotlights were on. 95 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,440 He talked to me and said: 96 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,800 All you journalists have not understood anything. 97 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,560 For 30 years you have been chasing wrong stories.� 98 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,200 Police in Rome treated is the case as a tragedy, 99 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,080 but more or less the routine kidnapping of a young girl. 100 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,800 However, it is today a phone call changed all that. 101 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,320 He said they were ready to kill Emanuela 102 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,440 if the Italian authorities they do not release Mehmet Ali Agca. 103 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,080 The voice on the phone had a foreign accent, 104 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,760 maybe American. 105 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,480 I asked him: �How do you know? 106 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Where did you get that from?� 107 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,600 He replied: �I am American.� 108 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:54,280 I AM AMERICAN 109 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,680 - What are you doing? -I'm taking photos. 110 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,880 With this thing. 111 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,720 I'm listening. 112 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Why did you decide to an anonymous interview? 113 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Because it is� 114 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,480 the public� 115 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,840 very naive. 116 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Therefore, whoever steps forward, 117 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,640 for whatever reason, 118 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:28,600 he will accuse that he just wants attention. 119 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,640 You say you are American. 120 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,080 That. 121 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,920 You are involved in a kidnapping. 122 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Yes, of course. 123 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,159 Dude, talk to a person which created the case for Orlando. 124 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,960 Otherwise, such a kidnapping would not receive international attention, 125 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,880 but the circumstances of this case� 126 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,800 Let's say I am 127 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,280 was in charge of the creative side. 128 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,960 I was choosing places to leave messages� 129 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,680 For the texts that were used in telephone conversations. 130 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,200 They sell that stuff, 131 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,440 her name is Barbara. 132 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,840 -Barbarella, yes. -Barbarella, Barbara, I don't know. 133 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,160 MUSICAL �KOLA T. LUDOVICO DA VICTORIA 134 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,600 It was very hot. 135 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,600 Everywhere, always I was in the car, waiting for something, 136 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:30,160 in the relentless heat. 137 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,920 Welcome back, friends. 138 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,120 African high pressure field affects the Lazio region. 139 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,080 Emanuela has disappeared 140 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,920 June 22, 1983. 141 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,480 I still remember how hot it was that day. 142 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,120 It wasn't a real kidnapping. 143 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,120 We simply tricked her. 144 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Sorry, I don't understand. 145 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Tell me how you tricked Emanuel. 146 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,080 Describe to me how she was deceived. 147 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,280 I don't understand. 148 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,760 She was told: 149 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,160 Your father is in trouble, you could lose your house 150 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,920 which they gave you.� 151 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,360 Was she afraid that something would happen? 152 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,880 Yes, that her father will lose his house, 153 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,600 work, such consequences. 154 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Before leaving school Emanuela called home 155 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:44,400 how would she tell me that she is a man spoke in front of the school 156 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,680 He parked his car, 157 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,040 according to the description, a green BMW. 158 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Those were just scams. 159 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,680 It was a fake abduction 160 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,560 fake kidnapping, 161 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,720 which turned into a law? 162 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,160 That. 163 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,560 Where did you take her afterwards? 164 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,120 In that house� Well, actually, first 165 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,360 under the Gianicolo hill. 166 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,760 I already said it, 167 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:25,960 Lante della Rovere. 168 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,920 SACRED HEART OF JESUS IN VILLA LANTE 169 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,440 It's an institution 170 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,520 where they were going young girls with problems 171 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,760 and they could stay there. 172 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,640 She passed as one of the girls who stays there. 173 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,160 They were cheap rooms. 174 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,760 It wasn't a prison, there was nothing more strange. 175 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,920 He told me something that amazed me: 176 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,080 in the first days after Emanuela's disappearance� 177 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,640 JUNE 23 THURSDAY 178 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,240 he, Marco Accetti, 179 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,920 he went for a walk around town with Emanuel. 180 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,480 It was incredible. 181 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,760 It was the first or second night�, 182 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,240 we went for a walk in the alleys 183 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,200 between Regina Coeli and Porta Settimiana. 184 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,240 She wore a short wig. 185 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,640 She had hair and was this short. 186 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,480 We ate ice cream. 187 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Why? 188 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,160 That's what we wanted gain her trust, 189 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,520 show her that it is a fake kidnapping. 190 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,240 - Was she afraid? - She wanted to go home. 191 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,240 Was she sad? 192 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,440 That. 193 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,000 Melancholy. She wanted to go back because it took so long. 194 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Good, Marco. 195 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,000 That's when you started calling it family as an American� 196 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,320 to negotiate exchange for Ali Agca? 197 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,320 That. 198 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,280 Then 199 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,440 I was professionally frustrated. 200 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,440 We absolutely had to find an American 201 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,480 with phone in hand. 202 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,000 CAPTAIN OF THE CARABINER ROME, 1982-1985. 203 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,440 You told me you were at one point 204 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,160 were close. 205 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,960 How did it happen? 206 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,200 Do you remember that moment? 207 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,320 Yes, I tell you. 208 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Marco, I have to ask you something important. 209 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Do you remember when you called from a phone booth? 210 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,360 -That. - You played an American. 211 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,400 Do you remember when you the police almost caught? 212 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,640 That. 213 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,160 At that time, in those years, 214 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,800 there was no advanced technology, 215 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,680 but we had one clue. 216 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,360 The police will call you soon. 217 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,800 That, that sound is a clue. 218 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,600 It's the sound of a train. 219 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,880 In front of the railway station it was a phone booth. 220 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,160 I don't know if they intercepted the call or not. 221 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,480 National Telephone Company 222 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,680 she told us that some of these calls 223 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,920 came from specific parts of Rome. 224 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,520 From the works around Termini Railway Station, of the main railway station in Rome. 225 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,120 Our goal was 226 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,240 disable some payphones 227 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,040 so we can monitor 228 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,840 only those payphones that still work. 229 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,160 To locate the call, 230 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,960 it must have lasted at least two or three minutes. 231 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,240 We trained lawyer Egidi, 232 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,840 who received calls from an American, 233 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:21,440 to delay with calls as much as possible. 234 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,920 This is lawyer Egidio. 235 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,120 - You are lawyer Egidio? - Yes, I am. 236 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,760 Personally? 237 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:49,800 Personally. 238 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,040 I have a high opinion of you. 239 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,920 I think you are smart. 240 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:56,920 Listen. 241 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,960 One day in the middle of a call� 242 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Do you know that you are very smart? 243 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,800 - You too. - Me too, right? 244 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,720 �SIP, telephone company, she was able to locate a phone booth. 245 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,079 We were at Piazza San Silvestro, 246 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,720 we watched 247 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,319 to the square, the clock was on the right. 248 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,960 SAN SILVESTRO SQUARE, ROME 249 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,920 I don't know if the bar is still there, 250 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,440 he had public telephones. 251 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,920 I was with two girls because we always had a screen. 252 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,640 One of the patrols 253 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:02,040 she quickly left towards the phone booth. 254 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,240 It is a challenge between two smart people 255 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,240 who must cooperate. 256 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,760 I heard a car approaching fast, 257 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,360 �creeps around the bend. 258 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,120 I instinctively hugged two girls next to me 259 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,440 so it would seem that we will. 260 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,880 I turned around a bit and saw a car without registration. 261 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,680 A man came out of it, I still remember him today. 262 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,760 A very tall, bearded young man. 263 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,920 And I just left 264 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,360 towards Via del Corso. 265 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,240 SAN SILVESTRO SQUARE 266 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,320 Okay, we understand how you did it, 267 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,160 but why? 268 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,840 Why did you kidnap Emanuela? 269 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,680 Who did you work for? 270 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,920 This topic is too important. 271 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:24,880 Too oppressive. 272 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,760 It's true 273 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,120 that they are members of the Vatican City kidnapped Emanuel Orlando. 274 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,560 At the head of the Vatican 275 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,240 the most exotic are found officials in the world. 276 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,240 These are the cardinals of the papal court. 277 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,400 Their office can be compared with the office of the minister in the government. 278 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,040 But it's for these men entrusted administration of the church, 279 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:03,720 which examines itself from the perspective of eternity. 280 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:11,600 It is very important to understand that the Vatican is not a monolith. 281 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,880 It has always been inside different factions, 282 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,480 like in Game of Thrones. 283 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:25,160 Accetti explained to me that he was part of the organization 284 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,760 which secretly works with some priests. 285 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,440 A secret unit in the shadows of the Vatican 286 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,800 which I called the Ganglion. 287 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,360 Who was in that group? 288 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,520 Not people� 289 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,200 They weren't high-ranking people, but assistants 290 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,000 from the Council for Public Affairs, 291 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,640 and some people from outside. 292 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,200 - Priests? - No, not all of them. 293 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,520 They were people who they knew each other and wanted to 294 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:05,600 get results with unusual methods. 295 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,680 Where were you? 296 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,360 Always outside Vatican City, 297 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,360 in private houses. 298 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,080 We know that the goal of Pope John Paul II. 299 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,560 was to return the Church to a position of power 300 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,800 in the Soviet Union. 301 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,280 Accetti told me that group 302 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:37,920 was convinced that it was the best way for the restoration of the Church in the East, 303 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,080 for the growth of Catholicism in Russia, 304 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,000 was communication. 305 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,280 And not direct attacks. 306 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,240 Not constant tension with the East. 307 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:51,760 That. 308 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,520 Their policy was dialogue with the East 309 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:01,560 and cooperation with countries behind the iron curtain. 310 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,920 But according to Marco Accetti, 311 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,080 until 1983, 312 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,400 that mysterious group had a problem. 313 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,520 Two years before Emanuele's kidnapping 314 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,720 The Pope was shot on the Square of St. Petra. 315 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,120 Vatican security police she immediately arrested the attacker, 316 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,680 23-year-old Turk 317 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,720 names Mehmet Ali Agca. 318 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,000 By the middle of the year Ali Agca he began to discover 319 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,040 who is behind the attack on Trg sv. Petra. 320 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840 They speak in English Agca surprised the journalists 321 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,160 giving them details about Russian involvement 322 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,680 in the plan to kill the pope. 323 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,280 He said that the Russians trained him. 324 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:57,640 And the KGB? 325 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,920 Yes, and the KGB. 326 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,440 Agca 327 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,360 has undermined our diplomatic goals, 328 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,640 creating serious problems and imbalances. 329 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,160 That's why we should have made a desperate tax 330 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,360 for Agca to withdraw. 331 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,560 Fifteen-year-old Emanuela Orlandi, 332 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,040 daughter of Vatican employees, she was kidnapped three weeks ago. 333 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:28,400 Her captors try her exchange for Agca. 334 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,920 We only want one thing. 335 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,680 It is the liberation of prisoners which we requested. 336 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,240 Was that you on the phone? 337 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Yes, of course. I called. 338 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,640 Then Accetti's story takes a turn. 339 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,800 He says 340 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,080 that he didn't kidnap one girl, but two. 341 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,320 The other girl's name was Mirella Gregori. 342 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,640 Sixteen-year-old Mirella Gregori, 343 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000 the Roman �kolarka, disappeared on May 7 344 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,040 and then all traces of her disappear. 345 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,960 You say you were involved in Gregori's case. 346 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,080 Of course. 347 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,680 - Have you kidnapped girls before? - Yes� 348 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,960 No, of course not. 349 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,160 My family had four members. 350 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Me, mother and father, who are no longer there, and Mirella. 351 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,440 MIRELLA'S SISTER 352 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,360 Mirella Gregori, here she is. 353 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,560 Simple and smiling girl. 354 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,880 Fun and open. 355 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,080 They are my parents at that time they had a diner. 356 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,760 BREAKFAST 357 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,880 On May 7, 1983, 358 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,200 exactly 45 days before Emanuela's disappearance 359 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,800 Mirella had just come back from school. 360 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,360 We lived on the second floor buildings near the Porta Pia gate, 361 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,520 in the center of Rome. 362 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,320 Someone rang the bell, 363 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,400 and she answered. 364 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,320 I used the name 365 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,560 her schoolmate. 366 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,880 Then she went to her mother and said: 367 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,160 It's Alessandro, my friend from school. 368 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,280 Five minutes and I'll be back, no worries.� 369 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,240 Then she left and we never saw her again. 370 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,960 We told Gregorica that her father has serious financial problems 371 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,880 and that he might lose the diner, 372 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,440 and he would if he starts with us could bring home some money. 373 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,920 It was all a hoax. 374 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,960 My parents were in an indescribable state. 375 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,000 She promised to come back in ten minutes, but I didn't see her again. 376 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,120 There were no calls, messages, anything? 377 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,000 Nothing, absolutely nothing. 378 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,320 Complete silence? 379 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,360 Complete silence, yes. 380 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,520 Weeks passed without news. 381 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,160 In an instant, everything changed. 382 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,280 I worked in a diner with my husband. 383 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,160 I answered the phone 384 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,920 and said: �Hello?� and on the other I heard someone 385 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,920 MIRELLA'S OGOR 386 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,920 with an American accent. 387 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,640 WITH AN AMERICAN ACCENT 388 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,680 He told me to write: "T-shirt Antonia, 389 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,880 Reading trousers with black belt.� 390 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Then: �Wool underwear.� 391 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,480 WOOL UNDERWEAR 392 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,280 And at the end he said: 393 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,880 Lacquered black heeled shoes 394 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Saroyan Roman mark.� 395 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,000 That scared us because it meant something 396 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,200 that the caller knows That's what my sister was wearing. 397 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,880 TELEPHONE 398 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,080 Marco Accetti told me that they are for negotiation 399 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,360 between the kidnappers and Italy 400 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,480 for the pardon of Ali Agca 401 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,160 needed two girls 402 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,720 of different countries, 403 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800 one from Italy and the other from the Vatican. 404 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,920 Mirella Gregori, for pressure to the President of the Italian Republic, 405 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,760 holder of the act of pardon. 406 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,920 And to Emanuel Orlando, to put pressure on the Vatican. 407 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,800 If the pope cared about Orlando's fate, 408 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,080 he would have asked President of the Republic, Pertini, 409 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,960 who cared until the disappearance of the Italian citizen, 410 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,160 to pardon him. 411 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,040 That's why they needed Gregori. 412 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,880 On the eighth of September 413 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080 an American reappears on the scene, 414 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,360 He sent letters to the Gregori family. 415 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040 Basically it said 416 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,840 that if we want them to release Mirella, 417 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,840 my mother had to ask then president Sandro Pertini 418 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,840 to appeal for the release of Ali Agca. 419 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,080 Sandro Pertini felt a duty make an appeal 420 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,800 through conversation with ANSA agency in October 1983. 421 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400 AGENCY ANSA 422 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,840 Appeal for the release of the girls. 423 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,840 At that time 424 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,600 Gangli's strategy seemed to be working 425 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,960 because the Pope appeared 426 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,440 in Castel Gandolfo, 427 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840 to his summer residence. 428 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,240 He made an appeal 429 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,920 with which he requested release both girls and prayed for them. 430 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,760 My thoughts are with Emanuel Orlando 431 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,400 and Mirella Gregori. 432 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,720 He didn't just say he was both girls kidnapped by the same organization, 433 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,200 he already said 434 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,840 and to pray for the man who tried to kill him, 435 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,720 Mehmet Ali Agca. 436 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,960 �Who claim to have those two innocent and helpless beings. 437 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,400 As always, I pray and for the person who attacked me. 438 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,800 The fact that they are also the Pope and the president intervened 439 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,000 she confirmed to me that Accetti was telling the truth 440 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,120 on the action of the Ganglia. 441 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Since then we have seen each other Mirella's and Emanuela's face together. 442 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,960 EMANUELA ORLANDI IS MISSING 443 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,760 MIRELLA GREGORI IS MISSING 444 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,600 What went wrong? 445 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,160 -Just the girls' homecoming. - Why? 446 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,520 The answers never came and everything was delayed. 447 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000 You remember the last time you were there seen Emanuela? 448 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,440 Of course. 449 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,120 Was she alive or dead? 450 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Alive, of course. 451 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,560 In the beginning, I certainly believed 452 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,680 that Accetti is telling the truth. 453 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,800 He brought a flute. 454 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,800 And as a family 455 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,480 we have always tended to believe and follow 456 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,920 every person who appeared and said: 457 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,280 �I know something�. 458 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,240 EMANUELA ORLANDI IS MISSING 459 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,560 One day I got a call from a TV show. 460 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,960 They wanted to record my meeting with Accetti. 461 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:45,080 I accepted, but it was difficult. 462 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,800 That day 463 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680 everyone in Italy was watching television. 464 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,320 But I have to say 465 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,160 that it is not easy to face a person who, 466 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,000 if he is telling the truth, 467 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,800 together with other people, 468 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,600 was the cause of immense suffering my family 469 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880 and probably destroyed life, 470 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,280 hopes and dreams of a 15-year-old girl. 471 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,280 DOCUMENT 472 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,760 I overcame the weight of it 473 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,600 and managed to stay calm, 474 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,720 because he was a very arrogant person. 475 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,840 You claim to know 476 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320 how the kidnapping was carried out and why. 477 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,000 I questioned him, 478 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,400 asked for people's names who were responsible with him. 479 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,800 He refused. 480 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,080 �I will not name anyone.� 481 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,880 When I gather enough evidence� 482 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,000 This is not a game! It's not a puzzle 483 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,680 in which you give me a clue, and I have to figure out the rest. 484 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Will you continue to make fools of us? 485 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160 Here we question� 486 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,280 Are those people from the Vatican 487 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520 hired for that task? 488 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,720 I am not a betrayer� 489 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,320 But you are a person who organizes and participates in the kidnapping. 490 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,280 It was for the sake of achieving certain results 491 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,440 in a certain political context. 492 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,880 Why did you choose Emanuela? 493 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,960 We didn't choose her. 494 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,679 - There was a ``whole spectrum'' - But it wasn't random. 495 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,159 - Because it was organized. -Not. 496 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,480 As I told the prosecutors, there were various girls� 497 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,800 Is it because of her citizenship? 498 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,320 Of course! 499 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,679 We also considered Cristina, the youngest. 500 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000 That me � 501 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,159 I wanted to nail him to the wall. 502 00:34:57,199 --> 00:34:59,040 Emanuel, 503 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,920 because of her generosity, 504 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,480 openness and freshness. 505 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,600 - How dare he say that? -Please? 506 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,240 He can't talk about Emanuela like that. 507 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,280 The only thing I can say with certainty 508 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,160 is that you have never met Emanuela. 509 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:14,600 You should be more formal. 510 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,880 You talked about kidnapping, 511 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,040 said that Emanuela accepted the situation 512 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,000 because you told her 513 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,640 for her family to know that she will be away for two or three days. 514 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:36,720 It already tells me that you never did was in no contact with Emanuel. 515 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,200 - I knew her well. - Let's stop here. 516 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,000 Emanuela did not go out at night, 517 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,600 - so she would never accept� - Never say never. 518 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,680 He was convincing because he had a flute, 519 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,560 but on the other hand, 520 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,320 he speculated about the facts 521 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,520 which were already known and published in the media. 522 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,960 Claim to be one of the callers, 523 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,040 so you must have called us home. 524 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,240 There is one detail which American told us. 525 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:17,720 Something that physically happened to Emanuela in the early days. 526 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,760 Something we never discovered 527 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,320 nor told anyone. 528 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,480 The person we are called an American, she told us 529 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,280 that Emanuela injured her seals, 530 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,480 but that she received medical care because she was with two doctors. 531 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080 You couldn't forget that detail. 532 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,880 He told me: �No, it's not you, because he doesn't remember 533 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,800 the sentence you said to my uncle in one of the calls�, 534 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520 as if it was some kind of quiz 535 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,240 in which something is won. 536 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,600 It's about remembering. I was there! 537 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,240 If I were to ask you some questions now, Fr 538 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,920 things you should know 539 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,360 it is possible that you missed something 540 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,680 It was an important thing. 541 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,320 But that does not mean that you are not her brother. 542 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,520 That's what he told me on that occasion 543 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,240 it upset me and hurt me, 544 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,760 but then i realized 545 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,320 more than ever before, 546 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,880 that he was bluffing. 547 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,120 In front of Pietro 548 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,840 Accetti had no answers. 549 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,280 That points me to it 550 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,640 that he had nothing to do with Emanuel's kidnapping. 551 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,880 ONE CERTAINTY: LOOT 552 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,200 He plays the game. 553 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200 If you throw a stone and then hide your hand, you are a coward. 554 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,400 Because that means you are torturing us for nothing. 555 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,000 I am sending this message to everyone who reacted that way 556 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,000 because there were many of them in our story. 557 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,960 They throw a stone and then hide their hand. 558 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,600 But they don't understand what it does to the family. 559 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,320 Marco Accetti, who surrendered to the prosecution 560 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,080 they claim that he is responsible for the kidnapping daughters of Vatican employees 561 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,280 as part of a plan to blackmail Pope John Paul II, 562 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,640 he was accused of defamation and self-defamation, 563 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,400 because according to the psychiatric report 564 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,120 I am prof. Stefano Ferracuti, 565 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,920 forensic psychiatrist at the Roman University of La Sapienza. 566 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,000 Five years ago 567 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,400 the court ordered me 568 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,400 expert evaluation by Marco Accetti. 569 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,920 He was accused of auto fraud, 570 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,720 Which means that he was accusing himself, 571 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,920 they know that what he says is not true 572 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,120 with the aim of deceiving the judge. 573 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,160 Marco Accetti had a long history of trouble 574 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,960 and problems with the law. 575 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,440 PSYCHIATRIC REPORT 576 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,640 The main stories I remember 577 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,680 they were a very questionable relationship 578 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,440 with a 17-year-old girl 579 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,040 17-YEAR-OLD GIRL 580 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,400 He was convicted of manslaughter 581 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,960 of a 12-year-old child. 582 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,440 We met four times. 583 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,640 He was a person 584 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,040 with a very strong need to be 585 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,840 in the center of everyone's attention. 586 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,240 He cooperated. He loved to talk about what happened. 587 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560 But the story he told 588 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,560 it was a little absurd. 589 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,440 I wrote that he had a narcissistic, histrionic personality disorder 590 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,360 with psychopathic elements. 591 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,520 PSYCHOPATHY 592 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,320 He took advantage 593 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,360 emotions and feelings 594 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,080 Emanuele's and Mirella's families 595 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,480 for your personal needs. 596 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,400 Those families who were part of the case, 597 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,680 on television� 598 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,960 She promised to come back in ten minutes, but I didn't see her again. 599 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,360 They all participated in the creation of his important role in the story. 600 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,840 A message from Ercole Orlandi kidnappers of his daughter. 601 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,840 I am an important part of the story, 602 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,240 they don't want to believe me 603 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,760 for obscure political reasons. 604 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,240 This is not a game! It's not a puzzle 605 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,240 in which you give me a clue, and I have to figure out the rest. 606 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,200 I felt that he knew something. 607 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,240 There were some bits of truth, 608 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,720 but he didn't say what he really knew. 609 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,240 Accetti insisted that he is an American, the caller. 610 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,480 And above all, he persistently said: 611 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,920 �I call the court. 612 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,480 Conduct a sound analysis, compare the votes. 613 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,560 Let me hear the American's voice, 614 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,880 given to you in my own. 615 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:38,880 Compare and here I am.� 616 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,840 My name is Marco Perino. 617 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,000 I am an expert in audio forensics. 618 00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,680 My name is Paolo Dal Checco. 619 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,960 I am a digital forensics expert. 620 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,040 In this case they are us 621 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,960 asked to compare 622 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,440 the voice of Marco Accetti� 623 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,760 You say I should talk to that person again? 624 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,640 You say I should talk to that person again? 625 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:24,680 We should have compared it with the old one records from July to December 1983. 626 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,400 on which the so-called American. 627 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,480 - You are lawyer Egidio? - Yes, I am. 628 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,320 - You are lawyer Egidio? - Yes, I am. 629 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,840 You are lawyer Egidio? 630 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,880 In our opinion, 631 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,160 the person who was talking with the family of Emanuele Orlandi 632 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,280 in July 1983. 633 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,520 it was very likely not Marco Accetti. 634 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,520 All right� 635 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,400 - Will you translate for me? -That. 636 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,720 Marco, you say you are American, right? 637 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,240 You say you are an American. 638 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,880 I don't say it, the voice says it. 639 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,720 You just have to compare them. 640 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,720 So you claim to be American? 641 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,920 So you claim to be American? 642 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,840 That. 643 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,960 We conducted research. 644 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,920 We conducted research. 645 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,920 Made a voice analysis. 646 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,960 Made a voice analysis. 647 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:44,440 There was another interesting discovery 648 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,760 that there wasn't just one American. 649 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,160 An American in July calls 650 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,920 family of Emanuele Orlandi. 651 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,640 And then there is another American 652 00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:05,880 who calls Gennara Egidio, 653 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,680 family lawyer, 654 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,400 - from September to December. -Another American? 655 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,360 Another American. 656 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,800 ANOTHER AMERICAN 657 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,160 In our opinion, from September to December 1983, 658 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,040 we're sure it's the caller 659 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,520 was Marco Accetti. 660 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,600 what does that mean for Emanuele and Mirella's kidnapping? 661 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,640 The first American, who is called the Orlandi family in July 1983. 662 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,720 he only mentioned Emanuel. 663 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,880 Never to Mirella Gregori. 664 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,000 But another American� 665 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,800 - Do you know about the Gregori case? -That. 666 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,560 He was obsessed with Mirella. 667 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560 We are also involved in that case. 668 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,280 We are involved in the Gregori case. 669 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:14,200 It was the other American who did called the Gregori family diner 670 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,760 and gave a complete list 671 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,680 the clothes she had on the day of her disappearance, 672 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,160 and even underwear. 673 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,240 T-SHIRT ANTONIA HLA�E READING 674 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,880 If the forensic evidence speaks 675 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,560 that the voice of another American compatible with the voice of Marco Accetti, 676 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,120 that means it's Marco Accetti 677 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,200 really familiar with Mirella Gregori's abduction. 678 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,560 TELEPHONE 679 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,760 There is a theory that you had nothing 680 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,440 with the kidnapping of Emanuele Orlandi, 681 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,560 but that you were involved in the kidnapping of Mirella Gregori. 682 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,920 That's absurd. It's not true. 683 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,320 In fact, another American tells the family: 684 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,000 �Non c'e piu niente da fare.� 685 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,320 �Nothing can be done there anymore.� 686 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,280 Prepare parents for this 687 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,040 because there is no chance anymore. 688 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,800 There is no chance anymore. 689 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,640 If Marco Accetti is the other American, 690 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,200 the verbal content of those phone calls 691 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,360 means that there is some knowledge that the girl is dead. 692 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,480 �For Mirella 693 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,400 Nothing can be done anymore. Do you remember? - That was a bluff. 694 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,680 You didn't kill her? 695 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,000 - You didn't kill her? -Not. 696 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,600 I don't think Accetti played a role in Emanuel's disappearance. 697 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,920 But I think he played a part in the disappearance of Mirella Gregori. 698 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,440 I think it should be investigated for that reason. 699 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,920 Because another family is waiting for answers. 700 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,040 Even today, I hope she is alive. 701 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,520 I want to believe that she is alive. 702 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,160 I can't believe my sister is dead until I have her body. 703 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,600 Hope never dies, right? 704 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,000 As my mother used to say: 705 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,360 �Until I can lay flowers on her grave, 706 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,960 I don't believe she's dead 707 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,880 If Accetti really was a fraudster who impersonated an American, 708 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,360 it has big consequences. 709 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,200 He was involved in the story of Mirelle Gregori 710 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,640 in Emanuel's story and case, 711 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:02,280 distracting the prosecutor, 712 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,360 police and journalists, 713 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,200 it causes great damage to the investigation. 714 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,960 Even a fact He had Emanuele's flute 715 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,280 it's just pure acting, 716 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,360 because he hid it in the studio of the most important 717 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,480 a film producer in Italy, Dina De Laurentiis. 718 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,920 THE LAST LEGION, HANNIBAL: THE BEGINNING, ARMY OF DARKNESS 719 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,280 Unfortunately, however by all the tests we conducted, 720 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,200 there were no traces of DNA, 721 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,320 there was nothing inside but dust, 722 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,160 because it was a flute from that era. 723 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,920 Why would anyone want to cheat us? 724 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,720 WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO SCAM US? 725 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,520 It is very convincing and possible 726 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:56,760 to be in that situation full of media attention 727 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,080 because of the event 728 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,400 inserted into the story 729 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,160 those phone calls. 730 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,520 It is quite possible. 731 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,160 Dude, talk to a person which created the case for Orlando. 732 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:14,400 It is true that, 733 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,960 like his father told investigators, 734 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,240 was possessed Emanuel's story from the very beginning. 735 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,120 He wasn't thinking about anything else. 736 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,760 That was his wish, 737 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,200 he wanted to be a famous person. 738 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,480 Let's take a break. 739 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,400 I think we should The less to say about Accetti 740 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,200 because that's what he wants. 741 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,240 He lives for this. 742 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,800 Over the years, it has received too much attention. 743 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,480 The more attention you give it, 744 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,280 it is stronger. 745 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,320 It is very harmful. 746 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,880 For me, now is the time 747 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,840 to eliminate Accetti's story, 748 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,360 his presence 749 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,840 and role in this case 750 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,640 from the story of Emanuela Orlando. 751 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,560 Welcome back, friends. African High Pressure Field 752 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,920 Today, Pope John Paul II. returned home, 753 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,400 to his Poland. 754 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,240 It remains for us key testimony of Sabrina Minardi. 755 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,640 I personally think so 756 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,760 in this case should be used Occam's razor. 757 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,560 We're talking about the Pope. 758 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,600 Ali Agca, the Russians, 759 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,120 CIA, KGB, 760 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,920 we are talking about other things. 761 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,320 And those stories are pure confusion, smoke. 762 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,600 Usually the truth is the simplest thing. 763 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,160 I can't tell you my real name, 764 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,520 but I was Emanuel's close friend. 765 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,760 Emanuela called me 766 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,280 a few days before the disappearance. 767 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,360 She said: ``Come on.'' 768 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,920 We have to meet I need to confess a secret to you.� 769 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,000 Emanuela told me 770 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,920 that she, while she was eating the Vatican Gardens, 771 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,960 someone very close to the Pope 772 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,040 harassed. 773 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,360 SOMEONE VERY CLOSE TO PAPI HE DISTURBED HER 774 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,600 Do you know if it was sexual in nature? 775 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:55,760 Absolutely yes. 776 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,080 Translation of subtitles: Bernarda Su�i� 777 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,080 Taken from www.titlovi.com