1 00:00:27,319 --> 00:00:30,199 In 1993, the Unabomber reappears. 2 00:00:31,615 --> 00:00:33,235 He's been gone a long time, 3 00:00:33,283 --> 00:00:35,043 and he wants to make sure 4 00:00:35,076 --> 00:00:37,036 that everyone realizes he's back. 5 00:00:38,706 --> 00:00:40,366 And the FBI says that a letter bomb 6 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:41,785 was mailed to the home 7 00:00:41,834 --> 00:00:44,254 of one this country's foremost geneticists. 8 00:00:44,294 --> 00:00:47,174 He is in critical condition tonight in Northern California. 9 00:00:47,214 --> 00:00:49,134 - It's a rather large shock. 10 00:00:49,174 --> 00:00:50,844 People had gotten used to the idea 11 00:00:50,885 --> 00:00:54,295 that the Unabomber would never be heard from again. 12 00:00:54,346 --> 00:00:55,926 And all of a sudden, 13 00:00:55,973 --> 00:00:58,603 he's not just back, but he is back in a big way. 14 00:00:59,977 --> 00:01:01,647 Dr. Epstein, a genetics researcher 15 00:01:01,687 --> 00:01:04,267 at the University of California San Francisco, 16 00:01:04,314 --> 00:01:06,404 has made advances in the study of Down's Syndrome. 17 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:07,691 - And who could blame him? 18 00:01:07,735 --> 00:01:11,445 He lost his eardrums and fingers to this guy 19 00:01:11,488 --> 00:01:12,738 just because he was doing his job, 20 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:15,281 trying to help humanity. 21 00:01:15,325 --> 00:01:17,115 Investigators say they found no link 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,830 between the attack and Epstein's work. 23 00:01:19,872 --> 00:01:22,622 - As a reporter, I talked to Epstein, 24 00:01:22,666 --> 00:01:24,746 and Dr. Epstein, in particular, 25 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:27,093 was mad till the day he died, 26 00:01:27,128 --> 00:01:28,758 and I don't blame him one tiny bit. 27 00:01:55,699 --> 00:01:57,619 The letter bomb went off at 8:30 this morning 28 00:01:57,659 --> 00:01:59,749 at Yale's computer science center. 29 00:01:59,787 --> 00:02:02,407 38-year-old associate professor David Gelernter 30 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:04,576 was opening his mail in his fifth-floor office 31 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:06,495 when the letter bomb exploded. 32 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:08,883 - So now you have two devices, 33 00:02:08,921 --> 00:02:11,761 one goes to a geneticist, 34 00:02:11,799 --> 00:02:14,089 the other goes to a computer science professor 35 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:15,724 at Yale University. 36 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:18,601 The historical significance of the case 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,269 is not lost on people. 38 00:02:20,307 --> 00:02:22,307 There's been nothing like this 39 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:25,150 in FBI history. 40 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:26,646 The two attacks this week 41 00:02:26,688 --> 00:02:29,068 have raised fears that a serial bomber 42 00:02:29,108 --> 00:02:32,438 blamed for a dozen explosions in the late '70s and '80s 43 00:02:32,486 --> 00:02:33,816 may be back at work. 44 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:36,740 - Overnight, the decision is made 45 00:02:36,782 --> 00:02:39,992 to reinvigorate the investigation 46 00:02:40,035 --> 00:02:43,035 by putting a lot of resources into it. 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,290 - They're getting thousands of tips. 48 00:02:45,332 --> 00:02:48,382 Nut cases, kinda nut cases, 49 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:49,958 people you take somewhat seriously, 50 00:02:50,004 --> 00:02:52,634 and then ones who think, "Wow, maybe you got a point." 51 00:02:52,673 --> 00:02:54,883 It's exhausting. 52 00:02:54,925 --> 00:02:57,965 - We're taking in so much information, 53 00:02:58,012 --> 00:03:00,972 what if something gets past us? 54 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:04,515 That was the fear we live, we live with all the time; 55 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:06,189 that the answer has come to us 56 00:03:06,227 --> 00:03:08,147 and we've passed it by. 57 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:03,540 No. It was simply anger and revenge 58 00:04:03,577 --> 00:04:05,327 and I was... was going to strike back. 59 00:04:06,997 --> 00:04:08,497 Try not to get blown up. 60 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:20,974 Local, State, and Federal investigators 61 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:22,641 continue to work around the clock 62 00:04:22,679 --> 00:04:24,389 collecting evidence from the blast. 63 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:35,030 I would imagine it would be 64 00:04:35,067 --> 00:04:38,357 a relatively quick determination from residue 65 00:04:38,403 --> 00:04:42,283 that we can tell what kind of explosive was involved. 66 00:04:42,323 --> 00:04:45,293 - He's now using a chlorate mixture that he's created 67 00:04:45,326 --> 00:04:48,326 which no longer requires a pipe 68 00:04:48,371 --> 00:04:50,331 to contain it. 69 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:54,293 So, it explodes on its own once it's initiated. 70 00:05:39,673 --> 00:05:41,133 - We have an announcement 71 00:05:41,175 --> 00:05:43,925 of a piece of evidence in the case 72 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:45,889 which has never been made public before. 73 00:05:47,097 --> 00:05:49,977 - The New York Times receives a letter 74 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:52,137 from the Unabomber. 75 00:05:52,186 --> 00:05:54,516 Rather short - it's a double spaced paragraph, 76 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:56,192 not a lot of words - 77 00:05:56,231 --> 00:05:58,941 claiming credit for these bombings. 78 00:05:58,984 --> 00:06:00,864 Investigators at the time have hopes 79 00:06:00,902 --> 00:06:03,072 that it will provide some clues. 80 00:06:03,113 --> 00:06:05,413 So, you have the typeface, 81 00:06:05,448 --> 00:06:07,578 what kind of typewriter wrote this? 82 00:06:07,617 --> 00:06:09,907 Where did the paper come from? Can you figure that out? 83 00:06:09,953 --> 00:06:12,293 Is the paper significant in some way? 84 00:06:12,331 --> 00:06:14,581 Where it was mailed? The type of stamps? 85 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:17,594 Is there any DNA under the flap of the envelope? 86 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:19,497 Are there any fingerprints on the paper 87 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:21,966 or on the envelope? 88 00:06:22,007 --> 00:06:23,507 None of that, there's none of that. 89 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:26,260 There's no good forensic evidence. 90 00:06:26,303 --> 00:06:30,183 What there is, on this letter, is indented writing. 91 00:06:30,224 --> 00:06:31,604 The sort of impressions 92 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:35,021 which are created by writing on a surface 93 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:37,152 with a piece of paper under that surface, 94 00:06:37,189 --> 00:06:40,609 so you've left no ink marks or pencil marks, 95 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:42,990 but you've left an indentation. 96 00:06:43,028 --> 00:06:46,408 "Call Nathan R. Wednesday, 7pm." 97 00:06:47,908 --> 00:06:51,328 This is taken by the investigators 98 00:06:51,370 --> 00:06:55,370 as a mistake that the Unabomber has made. 99 00:06:55,414 --> 00:06:57,924 Finally, he has made a mistake. 100 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,209 - If any members of the public 101 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:02,464 know a Nathan R. 102 00:07:02,505 --> 00:07:06,045 or have any idea as to who that person might be 103 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:08,103 and in what context, 104 00:07:08,136 --> 00:07:11,386 that information would be of critical importance for us. 105 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:13,351 - We were looking for Nathan R.'s everywhere. 106 00:07:13,392 --> 00:07:15,232 It was crazy. 107 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:17,559 - All the task force has to do 108 00:07:17,604 --> 00:07:20,194 is find every single one of them, 109 00:07:20,232 --> 00:07:24,612 and one of them will know who the Unabomber is. 110 00:07:24,652 --> 00:07:26,952 Because he's going to receive a phone call, 111 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:29,368 on Wednesday at 7pm. 112 00:07:29,408 --> 00:07:31,948 How hard can this be, right? 113 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:33,913 Well, it's tremendously hard. 114 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:35,374 Um... 115 00:07:35,414 --> 00:07:37,674 there are a lot of people named Nathan R. 116 00:07:37,707 --> 00:07:39,747 - So, you go calling and, you know, 117 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,963 you've chased down 15 different ways 118 00:07:42,003 --> 00:07:43,673 of getting to a Nathan R. 119 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:46,013 Finally, you knock on the door and the guy says, 120 00:07:46,049 --> 00:07:48,759 you know, "Who are you? I don't care. Get lost." 121 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,552 It's... there's a lot of that 122 00:07:50,595 --> 00:07:53,055 when you're doing a story like this. 123 00:07:53,098 --> 00:07:55,638 - Every Nathan R. that they could find, 124 00:07:55,683 --> 00:07:57,393 and there are thousands of them. 125 00:07:57,436 --> 00:08:00,646 We had them all interviewed to ask these questions. 126 00:08:00,688 --> 00:08:03,688 It didn't lead to a solution. 127 00:08:03,733 --> 00:08:05,823 - There's a sense that he's fooling them. 128 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:07,570 He's eluding them. 129 00:08:07,612 --> 00:08:09,492 He's toying with them and taunting them. 130 00:08:09,530 --> 00:08:12,450 - The pressure that the task force is under 131 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:14,742 is increased by these taunts. 132 00:08:26,131 --> 00:08:29,931 - Right over there was Ted's 10 by 12 cabin. 133 00:08:29,968 --> 00:08:32,678 Again, very rustic, very simple, 134 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,810 just wood cabin, no electricity, 135 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:36,308 no running water, 136 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:38,600 uh, with a green roof. 137 00:08:57,371 --> 00:09:00,421 - It's a bit haunting, every time I come back here. 138 00:09:00,457 --> 00:09:02,827 I've never felt peaceful. 139 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:04,786 I mean, we're surrounded by beautiful trees, 140 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:07,086 and the birds are chirping, 141 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:09,380 but I have never, I would never use that word 142 00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:11,304 to describe how I feel in this spot. 143 00:09:11,343 --> 00:09:13,223 Not... not peaceful. 144 00:09:34,324 --> 00:09:36,334 - You know, a lot of people 145 00:09:36,368 --> 00:09:38,118 that have perpetrated a single murder, 146 00:09:38,161 --> 00:09:40,541 uh, regret it for the rest of their life 147 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,000 and-and will never kill again. 148 00:09:43,041 --> 00:09:45,881 What makes the serial killer so particularly fascinating 149 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:49,009 is they've gone through the trauma of killing someone 150 00:09:49,047 --> 00:09:50,467 and are addicted to it 151 00:09:50,507 --> 00:09:53,677 and are ready to do it again and again and again. 152 00:10:30,046 --> 00:10:32,126 - The investigators are picking up 153 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:33,593 that this is an anarchist 154 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:36,513 who doesn't like environmental decimation, 155 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:38,893 doesn't like people who-who shill 156 00:10:38,930 --> 00:10:41,930 for anti-environmentalist causes. 157 00:10:57,282 --> 00:10:58,742 Investigators say it was a package 158 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:00,163 sent through the mail 159 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:01,871 about the size of a home video cassette. 160 00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:05,538 It killed 50-year-old Thomas Mosser, 161 00:11:05,582 --> 00:11:07,462 a senior advertising executive 162 00:11:07,501 --> 00:11:09,671 at one of the largest ad agencies in the world. 163 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,550 - He opens it in his kitchen, 164 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:15,759 where his wife and young daughter had been 165 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,220 standing next to him just moments before, 166 00:11:19,429 --> 00:11:21,849 uh, and he's killed instantly 167 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:25,229 by the very significant blast at this point. 168 00:11:25,268 --> 00:11:27,478 - We are all today determined 169 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:29,941 to end the death and destruction 170 00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:32,401 that these random bombings have wrought. 171 00:11:33,652 --> 00:11:37,202 - The pressure to solve it is immense. 172 00:11:37,238 --> 00:11:39,158 Desperate is perhaps a... 173 00:11:39,199 --> 00:11:41,199 a fair word at that point. 174 00:11:41,242 --> 00:11:43,042 - Unabomb hotline. 175 00:11:43,077 --> 00:11:44,577 So far thousands of tips 176 00:11:44,621 --> 00:11:47,041 phoned into the San Francisco Unabomb Taskforce 177 00:11:47,081 --> 00:11:48,501 have led nowhere. 178 00:11:48,542 --> 00:11:51,252 And a one-million-dollar reward hasn't helped either. 179 00:11:51,294 --> 00:11:55,594 - The phones are ringing constantly. 180 00:11:55,632 --> 00:11:58,842 We are getting thousands of calls from the public. 181 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,870 We don't watch TV much. 182 00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:31,424 Um, the first time I ever heard the term "Unabomber" 183 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:34,589 was in December of 1994, 184 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:37,549 when the front page of our newspaper 185 00:12:37,591 --> 00:12:39,551 said that the Unabomber, whoever that was, 186 00:12:39,593 --> 00:12:43,183 had struck again and killed an advertising executive 187 00:12:43,221 --> 00:12:46,601 by the name of Thomas Mosser in New Jersey. 188 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:48,521 But I'd never heard the term before. 189 00:12:49,852 --> 00:12:51,772 - Ted came down here once, didn't he? 190 00:12:51,812 --> 00:12:53,522 - No. - He never came here. 191 00:12:53,565 --> 00:12:56,775 - No, I remember him once planning to come. 192 00:12:56,817 --> 00:12:58,817 He even told me he had a bus ticket 193 00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:01,911 and that he was going to arrive on a certain day, 194 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:04,698 and then he decided not to come, 195 00:13:04,743 --> 00:13:07,123 and he said he had too much to do. 196 00:13:07,161 --> 00:13:09,081 And of course, I'm thinking, too much to do? 197 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:10,752 I mean, come on, Ted. 198 00:13:10,789 --> 00:13:12,129 What do you have to do? 199 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:14,286 And of course, at that time, 200 00:13:14,335 --> 00:13:16,665 I didn't know how... 201 00:13:16,713 --> 00:13:18,093 what he meant. 202 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:34,187 - He and I had never met. 203 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:36,110 I have still never met him. 204 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:38,399 I have never, as far as I know, 205 00:13:38,443 --> 00:13:41,203 talked to him over the phone or anything like that. 206 00:13:41,237 --> 00:13:42,947 He didn't like me. 207 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:44,949 He didn't want David to marry me. 208 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:47,331 He was really furious, I guess, about the wedding 209 00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:48,698 and, of course, he didn't come. 210 00:13:50,705 --> 00:13:53,455 And he wrote a letter that was very... 211 00:13:55,001 --> 00:13:56,381 very aggressive. 212 00:13:58,171 --> 00:14:00,381 Oh, it was really awful. 213 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:03,466 I had never met the guy 214 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:06,680 and nobody could understand why Ted was threatening 215 00:14:06,721 --> 00:14:08,771 to break connection with Dave. 216 00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:17,356 Every time David and his mother got together, 217 00:14:17,398 --> 00:14:19,228 they sat there for hours 218 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,450 talking about Ted. 219 00:14:22,487 --> 00:14:24,447 His mother was very worried about it 220 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:28,079 because Ted had cut relationships to his mother. 221 00:14:28,117 --> 00:14:30,197 So that's how I began to pick up the sense 222 00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:33,544 that he was... unusual, 223 00:14:34,708 --> 00:14:36,418 and perhaps mentally... 224 00:14:37,918 --> 00:14:40,168 you know, different. 225 00:14:41,922 --> 00:14:44,592 - Linda was the first one to tell me. 226 00:14:44,634 --> 00:14:46,394 Reading some of my brother's letters, 227 00:14:46,427 --> 00:14:47,927 hearing family conversation, 228 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:51,270 she says, "David, your brother's mentally ill, 229 00:14:51,307 --> 00:14:53,727 you know that, don't you?" 230 00:14:53,768 --> 00:14:55,848 And I said, "Wait a second, you don't really understand him. 231 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,015 He's a genius, he's different. 232 00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,524 He's ba-blah-blah..." 233 00:14:59,566 --> 00:15:01,936 "David, look at this, people who are healthy 234 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,454 in their minds don't think like this." 235 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:07,512 - His basic argument is that technology is a system 236 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:08,890 that we really cannot control. 237 00:16:08,927 --> 00:16:11,217 It's causing harm to people 238 00:16:11,262 --> 00:16:13,102 and the environment. 239 00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:16,939 The stresses will increase on humans and on nature, 240 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:19,726 and there's no way to modify or to reform the system 241 00:16:19,771 --> 00:16:21,901 so as to avoid these negative outcomes. 242 00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:24,190 His conclusion is the system has to be brought to an end. 243 00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:26,573 We have to have a kind of revolution against the system, 244 00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:28,111 and to stop it before it can uh... 245 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:30,074 lead to these catastrophic outcomes. 246 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,516 - In 1995, the Unabomber sends another letter 247 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:06,145 to the New York Times. 248 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:09,402 It's three pages of single spaced typewriting. 249 00:17:09,445 --> 00:17:10,855 It takes credit 250 00:17:10,905 --> 00:17:13,985 for the bombing of Thomas Mosser, 251 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,203 and he is indicating 252 00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:19,213 that this will continue "unless". 253 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:21,876 There's now a, a deal that's being offered. 254 00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:23,536 The bomber says he'll desist 255 00:17:23,584 --> 00:17:25,294 from terrorist activities 256 00:17:25,336 --> 00:17:27,546 only if major publications print a manuscript 257 00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:28,918 advocating the destruction 258 00:17:28,965 --> 00:17:31,335 of the worldwide industrial system. 259 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:34,354 - He says the written document that he wants published 260 00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:37,057 will be coming forth shortly. 261 00:17:37,097 --> 00:17:39,477 The so-called Unabomber has now spoken out 262 00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:42,347 and taunted the FBI, calling it a joke. 263 00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:45,435 - In the letter he refers to the FBI as a joke. 264 00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:47,731 This is somewhat echoing sentiments 265 00:17:47,775 --> 00:17:50,525 that are coming from political 266 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:53,030 and media and public circles. 267 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:56,122 He apparently has jumped on that bandwagon as well. 268 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:58,488 The mysterious Unabomber is claiming 269 00:17:58,536 --> 00:17:59,946 to be part of a group, 270 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:03,036 quote "The FBI has tried to portray these bombings 271 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:05,542 as the work of an isolated nut. 272 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:08,495 We won't waste our time arguing about whether we are nuts, 273 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:11,506 but we certainly are not isolated." 274 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:14,429 - He claims to be a group called "FC" 275 00:18:14,468 --> 00:18:16,848 and he's always very clear 276 00:18:16,888 --> 00:18:20,178 to make sure that his bombs contain FC 277 00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:22,564 somewhere in there where the FC will be found 278 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:25,102 stamped onto a piece of metal, 279 00:18:25,145 --> 00:18:26,935 or etched onto a piece of metal, 280 00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:29,031 in other words, intended to survive. 281 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,240 The Unabomber suggested that part of his motivation 282 00:18:38,284 --> 00:18:41,004 had to do with concerns about the environment 283 00:18:41,037 --> 00:18:43,827 to try to portray himself as, perhaps, 284 00:18:43,873 --> 00:18:46,923 some sort of environmental crusader. 285 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,880 Around the same time, there were environmental groups 286 00:18:49,921 --> 00:18:52,421 which advocated radical solutions 287 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:54,005 to their concerns. 288 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:56,890 So, it was somewhat of a logical extension 289 00:18:56,928 --> 00:18:59,098 that he get the task force to consider 290 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:02,308 that perhaps he was associated with groups like that. 291 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,400 - Because there was always this idea of FC 292 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:09,268 and the Freedom Club, 293 00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:10,975 I think that the Feds believed 294 00:19:11,025 --> 00:19:13,315 that there were more people involved 295 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,320 than Kaczynski himself. 296 00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:17,622 And so, they were really interested 297 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,117 in letting me in there 298 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:21,328 and letting us talk freely 299 00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:24,158 so that they could gauge whether or not 300 00:19:24,204 --> 00:19:26,794 Kaczynski was connected in any way 301 00:19:28,084 --> 00:19:30,044 to any of us in Earth First! 302 00:19:47,979 --> 00:19:49,609 - Earth First! has been an organization, 303 00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:50,937 from its beginning, 304 00:19:50,982 --> 00:19:53,612 that has been dedicated to action. 305 00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:56,401 Everything from, you know, tree sitting, 306 00:19:56,445 --> 00:19:58,655 and other types of monkeywrenching, 307 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,328 and had been under suspicion 308 00:20:01,367 --> 00:20:04,747 of being tied to radical environmental terrorism. 309 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:41,490 - Yeah, the '90s was a trip. 310 00:20:41,532 --> 00:20:45,082 Soon had this slow progression of radicalism. 311 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,119 And for me, I noticed it up at a... 312 00:20:48,164 --> 00:20:49,544 the mountains east of town, 313 00:20:49,582 --> 00:20:51,172 and the Earth Firsters were trying to protect 314 00:20:51,209 --> 00:20:53,209 this forest up there, which they did. 315 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:56,762 And these Earth Firsters created a, a blockade 316 00:20:56,797 --> 00:20:58,587 to prevent loggers from coming in, 317 00:20:58,632 --> 00:21:00,722 and they won. 318 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,300 In the eyes of the forest service, 319 00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:04,684 this is destruction of government property, 320 00:21:04,722 --> 00:21:06,642 a federal offence, 321 00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,562 and some critics are even calling these protesters 322 00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,942 domestic terrorists. 323 00:21:11,979 --> 00:21:14,569 Don't move your truck! Shut your truck off, man! 324 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,817 There's an old woman, she's 80 years old! 325 00:21:16,859 --> 00:21:18,689 80-years-old woman locked to the back of your truck 326 00:21:18,736 --> 00:21:20,646 - and you're gonna kill her. - He's not turning it off! 327 00:21:20,696 --> 00:21:22,156 He knows someone's locked under! 328 00:21:38,214 --> 00:21:41,304 - And then when Ted came along, or the Unabomber, 329 00:21:41,341 --> 00:21:44,511 and started, you know, killing people that were responsible 330 00:21:44,553 --> 00:21:46,433 for some of this kind of behavior 331 00:21:46,472 --> 00:21:48,142 that these kids didn't like, 332 00:21:48,182 --> 00:21:50,232 I think they found somebody 333 00:21:50,268 --> 00:21:53,478 that they could respect a little bit 334 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,150 and could understand why he was doing it. 335 00:22:19,255 --> 00:22:21,005 The FBI is investigating 336 00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:24,088 whether the Unabomber used this so-called ecological hitlist 337 00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:26,675 to select some of his recent victims. 338 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,930 The list published in 1990 in an underground newsletter 339 00:22:29,974 --> 00:22:32,354 is made up of 11 companies and organizations 340 00:22:32,392 --> 00:22:34,152 that the publisher of the paper 341 00:22:34,187 --> 00:22:36,227 apparently considered enemies of the environment. 342 00:22:37,481 --> 00:22:40,731 - People in the anarchist community, 343 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:43,696 they're liking the philosophy 344 00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:45,407 that they're seeing reflected in this. 345 00:22:45,447 --> 00:22:48,867 Killing innocent people walking down lonely roads, 346 00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:50,449 that's one thing. 347 00:22:50,494 --> 00:22:53,464 Killing people with a political, philosophical bent, 348 00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:54,957 this had resonance. 349 00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:06,837 Attention all units! 350 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:08,256 20 minutes after 2, 351 00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:10,894 the calm of this sunny day in downtown Sacramento 352 00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:12,521 is shattered... 353 00:23:12,558 --> 00:23:14,728 It's a terrible, terrible bombing scene. 354 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:16,268 Let me take you somewhere. 355 00:23:16,312 --> 00:23:18,652 - It's hard to describe, really, the effects 356 00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:21,189 that such a thing has on a, a person, 357 00:23:21,234 --> 00:23:24,284 but it was, it was really awful. 358 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,950 Um... 359 00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:31,117 Uh, I'll reserve saying anymore for the sake of the victim 360 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,290 and the victim's families, but... 361 00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:38,035 Gilbert Murray, the president 362 00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:39,884 of the California Forestry Association, 363 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,259 is the third person to be killed by the Unabomber. 364 00:23:42,296 --> 00:23:43,876 - It's the Unabomber. 365 00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:47,013 It's creepy and it's current 366 00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:49,101 and it's from a killer who has not been caught 367 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:50,676 for more than a decade. 368 00:23:50,721 --> 00:23:53,181 - Another kind of terror - mailbombs. 369 00:23:53,224 --> 00:23:55,774 - Officials are warning everyone to be on guard. 370 00:23:55,809 --> 00:23:57,769 - The most wanted criminal in America 371 00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:00,021 is still the Unabomber. 372 00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:02,783 - You have to wonder, "Am I next?" 373 00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:05,646 Is he gonna send a, you know, a pipe bomb to the Chronicle 374 00:24:05,694 --> 00:24:08,864 because we're reflecting technology 375 00:24:08,906 --> 00:24:10,406 and capitalism, 376 00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:12,158 and big business? 377 00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:13,661 I'm feeling every package. 378 00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:15,582 Every parcel that comes in, 379 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,041 you check for wires, 380 00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:19,382 you check for a little bit of oil. 381 00:24:19,417 --> 00:24:20,827 You smell it. 382 00:24:20,876 --> 00:24:23,456 Has it got a little gunpowder smell to it? 383 00:24:23,503 --> 00:24:24,883 You press down on it. 384 00:24:24,922 --> 00:24:26,972 Has it got uneven lumps 385 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:29,507 that could be the match-head igniters? 386 00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:32,761 Could be explosive loads. 387 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,385 You're very careful about packages like that. 388 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,969 - The newsroom gets a letter from the Unabomber 389 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:13,800 saying that he's going to blow up an airliner 390 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,306 in L.A. 391 00:25:15,348 --> 00:25:18,308 So, we take this thing into the editorial office, 392 00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:20,061 everyone looks at it. 393 00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:23,022 We're wondering what this next step is. 394 00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:24,563 Do you print this stuff? 395 00:25:24,606 --> 00:25:26,066 Are you going to be uh... 396 00:25:27,318 --> 00:25:29,818 an ad paper for a killer? 397 00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:33,242 We call the FBI. 398 00:25:33,282 --> 00:25:35,532 They come over. They look at it. 399 00:25:35,575 --> 00:25:38,865 It's pretty quickly determined that it's the real thing. 400 00:25:38,912 --> 00:25:40,792 - Further examination has confirmed 401 00:25:40,831 --> 00:25:43,751 that this letter originates from the Unabomber subject. 402 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:47,295 - So, do you take him seriously 403 00:25:47,338 --> 00:25:49,088 or do you blow it off? 404 00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,094 We decided to print. 405 00:25:53,551 --> 00:25:56,761 - There was a suggestion by the postal service 406 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,765 to simply not carry packages anymore. 407 00:25:58,807 --> 00:26:00,847 They weren't willing to put them in airplanes. 408 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,443 And that added tremendously 409 00:26:03,479 --> 00:26:06,899 to the already unbelievable amount of pressure 410 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:08,190 on the task force 411 00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:09,904 to solve this case. 412 00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:12,283 You can't have the mail in the United States 413 00:26:12,321 --> 00:26:14,111 come to a halt. 414 00:26:14,156 --> 00:26:15,276 It's almost inconceivable. 415 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,240 Los Angeles International Airport 416 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:20,035 is under full alert 417 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,789 with security measures not seen since the Gulf War. 418 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:26,253 - And it turns out the guy wasn't serious. 419 00:26:26,293 --> 00:26:29,463 And so, after the 4th of July weekend comes and goes 420 00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:32,005 and no one's killed, nothing blows up, 421 00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:34,799 the dogs get called off 422 00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:37,473 and it goes back to Unabomber normal. 423 00:26:38,889 --> 00:26:41,429 - Everybody in the United States, it seems, 424 00:26:41,475 --> 00:26:43,515 and probably many other countries, 425 00:26:43,561 --> 00:26:46,651 is aware of and interested in the Unabomber 426 00:26:46,688 --> 00:26:49,358 and what comes next in this story. 427 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,610 - In the summer of 1995, 428 00:26:52,652 --> 00:26:54,532 almost every day or every other day, 429 00:26:54,572 --> 00:26:57,492 there was a little article describing the Unabomber 430 00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,293 and what his interests were, 431 00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:02,196 and these different theories about what we should do. 432 00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:04,916 We don't want, you know, any kind of technology, 433 00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:06,577 We don't want all of this. 434 00:27:06,624 --> 00:27:09,384 We have to go back to the natural way of life, 435 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,340 you know, without machines 436 00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:14,050 and without phones and all of that. 437 00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:16,721 It was churning up in my head quite a bit. 438 00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,850 And I thought, gosh, that sounds like Dave's brother. 439 00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:24,766 - I look at her and she, she didn't look quite happy, 440 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:26,350 and I said, "Something wrong?" 441 00:27:26,395 --> 00:27:28,435 - And, for a while, I was going to hold off, 442 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:31,481 but then I did broach the topic. 443 00:27:31,525 --> 00:27:34,355 - And she said, "David, 444 00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:36,913 I think it might be your brother." 445 00:27:36,947 --> 00:27:39,117 And, you know, my immediate reaction was, 446 00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:42,504 Oh, well, I know it's not my brother, 447 00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:45,036 so thank goodness it's... you know, 448 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,920 thank goodness it's just a worry you have, 449 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:48,377 not something real." 450 00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:50,417 - David just couldn't believe it. 451 00:27:50,461 --> 00:27:53,091 He just thought I was being stupid, I guess, 452 00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:55,300 or crazy or something. 453 00:27:55,341 --> 00:27:57,551 - I mean, she really, it was more of an intuition, 454 00:27:57,593 --> 00:27:59,853 I thought, than anything. Nothing like evidence. 455 00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:02,724 - He didn't want to believe it. 456 00:28:02,764 --> 00:28:05,184 And I guess that's the way um... 457 00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:08,265 family members might be, that they don't... 458 00:28:08,312 --> 00:28:11,572 they don't want to believe that about their family member. 459 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:26,660 - These are type-written copies, 460 00:28:26,704 --> 00:28:28,424 typed on the same typewriter 461 00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:31,957 that's been used on most of the other Unabomb communications. 462 00:28:32,002 --> 00:28:34,382 Which we have figured out, forensically, 463 00:28:34,421 --> 00:28:37,011 is a very old L.C. Smith Corona 464 00:28:38,175 --> 00:28:39,635 manual typewriter. 465 00:28:39,677 --> 00:28:42,007 He sends as many copies of the manifesto 466 00:28:42,054 --> 00:28:44,224 as can be banged out 467 00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:46,394 using carbon paper, 468 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:48,233 on a manual typewriter. 469 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:51,858 Five copies go out to various locations. 470 00:28:51,897 --> 00:28:54,227 - We get a copy of the Manifesto ourselves 471 00:28:54,274 --> 00:28:56,114 and I read this thing word for word. 472 00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:57,741 We realize the guy's smart. 473 00:28:57,777 --> 00:28:59,607 He's not a great writer, 474 00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:02,575 but he's a very competent academic writer, 475 00:29:02,616 --> 00:29:06,406 and we now have the dilemma before us 476 00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:09,753 about whether we should print this manifesto or not. 477 00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:12,629 Do we want to piss off the author? 478 00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:15,998 Do we want to serve the greater good of journalism? 479 00:29:16,046 --> 00:29:17,716 Do we want to suppress it 480 00:29:18,924 --> 00:29:21,974 because it's incitive stuff 481 00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:26,220 that can rile up anarchists into action? 482 00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,635 Or just be smart stuff 483 00:29:28,808 --> 00:29:31,268 that informs the public? 484 00:29:31,311 --> 00:29:34,271 - The leadership of the task force 485 00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:36,194 was given the assignment 486 00:29:37,651 --> 00:29:40,861 by the FBI Director and the Attorney General, 487 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:42,744 Director Freeh and Director Reno, 488 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:45,081 to debate this question 489 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:47,327 and come back with a recommendation. 490 00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:50,079 - Within the bureau there was a thought that, 491 00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,212 you know, are we capitulating to a bomber, 492 00:29:54,251 --> 00:29:56,171 a terrorist, 493 00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:58,511 by publishing his manifesto? 494 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,881 - I'll call it a somewhat furious debate over this, 495 00:30:02,926 --> 00:30:06,096 and everybody was not on the same side initially. 496 00:30:07,681 --> 00:30:09,891 And the decision was made 497 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,310 that we shouldn't publish it. 498 00:30:14,354 --> 00:30:15,734 The meeting breaks up, 499 00:30:15,773 --> 00:30:18,363 one of us looked at everybody else and said, 500 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,860 "That was the wrong decision, wasn't it?" 501 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:22,782 And everybody else in there said, "Yes, 502 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:24,991 that was the wrong decision." 503 00:30:25,031 --> 00:30:27,121 And the primary argument was, 504 00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:29,079 if it gets published, 505 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,119 a document of that size, seen by enough people, 506 00:30:32,164 --> 00:30:33,624 it's almost impossible 507 00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:36,376 that someone will not recognize the author. 508 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,709 Either because of the way he writes, 509 00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:42,585 or because of his message. 510 00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:44,683 - We figure, "This is for the greater good." 511 00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:47,928 You put out the clues and, as a newspaper, 512 00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:50,721 we are all about being for the greater good. 513 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:54,096 So, in conjunction with the local FBI office, 514 00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:56,984 we printed the Manifesto. 515 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,942 It was behind the business pages, 516 00:30:58,982 --> 00:31:02,112 tucked in between the want ads, but it was all there today, 517 00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:05,662 all 35,000 words of the Unabomber's message to America. 518 00:31:06,906 --> 00:31:08,576 - We print the thing and we get... 519 00:31:08,617 --> 00:31:11,407 zillions of responses at the time. 520 00:31:11,453 --> 00:31:14,673 I think that copy of the paper sold fairly well, 521 00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:18,037 which, you know, you don't wanna make money on horror, 522 00:31:19,378 --> 00:31:21,248 but the fact that it sold well 523 00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,166 meant that a lot of people were reading it 524 00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:25,545 and that was good. You want people to pick, pick it over. 525 00:31:27,427 --> 00:31:28,797 - I remember my first thought 526 00:31:28,846 --> 00:31:30,596 was that the Unabomber had won, at this point. 527 00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:32,429 When the whole thing was published, 528 00:31:32,474 --> 00:31:33,934 I thought, well, that's it, he won. 529 00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:36,765 He defeated the federal government and the FBI 530 00:31:36,812 --> 00:31:38,772 because he got this thing published. 531 00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:42,569 - This is the original copy 532 00:31:42,609 --> 00:31:45,279 of the Unabomber Manifesto. 533 00:31:46,697 --> 00:31:49,777 I kept it never knowing that I would meet the author. 534 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:53,414 It's huge, it's an amazing document. 535 00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:55,213 Like the opening sentence, 536 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,667 "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences 537 00:31:58,709 --> 00:32:01,589 have been a disaster for the human race." 538 00:32:04,757 --> 00:32:06,467 - "They've destabilized society, 539 00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:08,178 have made life unfulfilling, 540 00:32:08,218 --> 00:32:10,848 have subjected human beings to indignities, 541 00:32:10,888 --> 00:32:14,018 have led to widespread psychological suffering 542 00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:16,227 and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world." 543 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,979 - "Science marches on blindly 544 00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,481 without regard to the welfare of the human race." 545 00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:26,697 - "The system cannot be reformed in such a way 546 00:32:26,737 --> 00:32:28,607 as to reconcile freedom with technology. 547 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,830 The only way out is to dispense with 548 00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:34,237 the industrial technological system altogether." 549 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:37,414 - "It would be better 550 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:39,626 to dump the whole stinking system 551 00:32:39,666 --> 00:32:41,456 and take the consequences." 552 00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:42,841 - "We therefore advocate a revolution 553 00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:44,628 against the industrial system." 554 00:33:00,854 --> 00:33:03,234 - You could take any aspect of the technological system 555 00:33:03,273 --> 00:33:05,233 and it's hard to argue against any one aspect. 556 00:33:05,275 --> 00:33:06,815 You could say, what's wrong with a phone? 557 00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:08,530 What's wrong with an email? 558 00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:10,360 What's wrong with a digital camera or something? 559 00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:11,815 But if you take someone like Kaczynski, 560 00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:13,735 he looks at the ensemble, the whole system and he says, 561 00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:15,794 well, look what the system is doing to us. 562 00:33:15,828 --> 00:33:17,658 It's drawing people in, they're getting addicted. 563 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:19,674 Mental stress is increasing, mental illness is increasing, 564 00:33:19,706 --> 00:33:21,746 physical health is decreasing, 565 00:33:21,792 --> 00:33:24,292 environmental destruction is accelerating. 566 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,546 This is a consequence of the whole technological system. 567 00:33:26,588 --> 00:33:28,668 It's not any one technology. 568 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:31,125 So, my cell phone isn't destroying 569 00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,846 the-the global ecosystem. No, it's not the cell phone, 570 00:33:33,887 --> 00:33:36,887 but it's the whole network that goes to having and creating 571 00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:39,142 and using a cellphone on a mass basis. 572 00:33:39,184 --> 00:33:41,194 That's what's destroying the global ecosystem 573 00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:43,097 and that's what's causing human stress. 574 00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:44,556 - When friends of mine discovered 575 00:33:44,606 --> 00:33:46,266 that I hadn't even read it yet, they go, 576 00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:48,316 "You're gonna love it, read it! You're an idiot. Come on." 577 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,410 And I did. Uh, there wasn't anything I disagreed with, 578 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,907 actually, and I still, uh, advocate it. 579 00:33:56,326 --> 00:33:59,536 I think it's just an amazingly important document 580 00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:01,329 now more than ever. 581 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,650 - "In order to get our message before the public 582 00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:27,188 with some chance of making a lasting impression, 583 00:34:27,232 --> 00:34:28,732 we've had to kill people." 584 00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:32,068 He comes right out and says it. 585 00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:36,831 The Justice Department hopes 586 00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:38,827 to use his own words to lead investigators 587 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,369 to one of the most hunted men in the country. 588 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:46,038 - I'm sure there will be a lot of people 589 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,094 in the academic community 590 00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:50,547 that will read this and will say, 591 00:34:50,589 --> 00:34:52,799 "Well, that sounds just like..." 592 00:34:52,841 --> 00:34:54,931 and they'll flash back to a student 593 00:34:54,968 --> 00:34:57,638 or a professor that they have worked with. 594 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,219 - It did ultimately lead to... 595 00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:02,345 literally thousands of people 596 00:35:02,392 --> 00:35:05,652 that thought that they might know who the Unabomber was. 597 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:13,486 - This was getting to be about mid-October. 598 00:35:13,528 --> 00:35:15,488 David promised 599 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:18,280 that when the Unabomber manifesto was published, 600 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:20,204 that he would go out and get it. 601 00:35:20,243 --> 00:35:22,043 He promised that to me. 602 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,749 But apparently there were only 6 copies being sold 603 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,541 at this newspaper shop 604 00:35:28,585 --> 00:35:31,335 and they had already gone very quickly. 605 00:35:31,379 --> 00:35:33,509 - The college library had the issue 606 00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,678 but somebody had taken the manifesto out of it 607 00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:37,387 so it wasn't there. And I'm, I'm ready 608 00:35:37,427 --> 00:35:38,887 to throw up both of my hands and then she... 609 00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:41,059 and then she says, "The internet!" 610 00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:43,678 Now, I had hardly heard of the internet. 611 00:35:43,725 --> 00:35:45,225 We didn't have it at home, 612 00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:48,398 but they had it at the college library. 613 00:35:48,438 --> 00:35:50,688 Linda's sitting next to me, 614 00:35:50,732 --> 00:35:52,282 and, first of all, it's kind of weird. 615 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,527 Here I am on this new-fangled technology, 616 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,109 trying to figure out if my brother 617 00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:58,204 is the anti-technology terrorist. 618 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,279 You know, I felt almost, like, guilty about doing that. 619 00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:03,696 - He was looking at the screen 620 00:36:04,913 --> 00:36:07,463 and I was looking at his cheek 621 00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,499 and his jaw dropped 622 00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:11,252 when he read the first few lines 623 00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,214 of the Unabomber manifesto. 624 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,053 Linda kind of whispered, "David, what do you think? 625 00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:19,182 Do you think it could be Ted?" 626 00:36:19,218 --> 00:36:21,758 And I said, "I have to admit, 627 00:36:21,805 --> 00:36:23,845 some parts of it really do sound like him. 628 00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:26,600 If I had to, if I had to guess, 629 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:28,943 maybe there's one chance in a thousand he wrote it." 630 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:31,939 And I was expecting, 631 00:36:31,982 --> 00:36:34,442 well, maybe that would be reassuring to her. 632 00:36:34,484 --> 00:36:38,284 But she said, "David, one chance in a thousand? 633 00:36:38,321 --> 00:36:40,281 That's not nothing." 634 00:36:46,496 --> 00:36:48,496 - I started to try and talk Dave 635 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:51,080 into getting an expert 636 00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:54,746 in analyzing the comparison between Ted's letters 637 00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:57,416 and the Unabomber manifesto. 638 00:36:57,465 --> 00:37:00,335 That, that perhaps there's a pattern 639 00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:02,755 because it's the same author. 640 00:37:02,804 --> 00:37:04,934 So, I suggested Susan Swanson, 641 00:37:04,973 --> 00:37:07,853 who I knew was a private investigator 642 00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:10,603 and had connections with this kind of thing. 643 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:13,975 - I've known Linda since we were toddlers. 644 00:37:14,024 --> 00:37:17,534 It was Linda who cracked the Unabomber case. 645 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:20,069 She was the only one who suspected, 646 00:37:20,113 --> 00:37:22,873 just by reading his letters, that he might be violent. 647 00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:24,988 And I tried to look 648 00:37:25,035 --> 00:37:28,535 to see if there were any similarities 649 00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:30,250 and, after a while, 650 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:32,039 there were times when I thought 651 00:37:32,084 --> 00:37:34,384 they really could've been written by the same person. 652 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,674 - "I've got to know that every last tie 653 00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,045 joining me to this stinking family 654 00:37:41,093 --> 00:37:42,933 has been cut forever." 655 00:37:44,303 --> 00:37:45,933 - "It would be better 656 00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:48,062 to dump the whole stinking system 657 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,730 and take the consequences." 658 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:53,609 - I thought it was hard to tell the difference between the two. 659 00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,566 It kind of flowed, 660 00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:57,567 it had, you know, um... 661 00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:59,739 the same tone. 662 00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:03,028 So, I went to work researching the Unabomber case, 663 00:38:03,073 --> 00:38:05,703 taking into account other things Ted had 664 00:38:05,742 --> 00:38:08,122 that were in common with the Unabomber. 665 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:11,620 Probably the biggest geographic link 666 00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:15,504 had to do with universities where bombs were found. 667 00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:18,763 There were two at the University of California, 668 00:38:18,797 --> 00:38:20,167 at Berkeley, 669 00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:23,465 and one at the University of Michigan 670 00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:25,139 in Ann Arbor. 671 00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:27,808 We knew that Ted had gotten his Ph.D. 672 00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:30,347 at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, 673 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:34,061 and we knew he had been a... assistant professor 674 00:38:34,104 --> 00:38:36,944 at the University of California at Berkeley. 675 00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:39,652 - We were looking at the timeline of the bombings 676 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:42,782 and letters that we had received from Ted. 677 00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:45,201 My big hope was that we would... 678 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,120 find that a letter was sent from Montana, 679 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,620 on a day that, say, a bomb was sent from California. 680 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:54,833 So, I was still hopeful that he might be ruled out. 681 00:38:54,874 --> 00:38:58,594 - And, um, what David knew was that 682 00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:02,798 Ted would sometimes hitch a ride to Helena, Montana. 683 00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:05,721 And from there, he would catch a Greyhound bus 684 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,970 all the way to the San Francisco Bay area. 685 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:12,854 I made some calls to the Greyhound bus line. 686 00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:16,352 They said there's no way you could take 687 00:39:16,395 --> 00:39:20,315 the Greyhound bus from Helena, Montana 688 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,568 to San Francisco, California, 689 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:26,320 without going through Salt Lake City, Utah. 690 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,034 And since Salt Lake City is one of the places 691 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:31,485 where a bomb had gone off, 692 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,446 that was very concerning. 693 00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,634 - I'm actually thinking my brother 694 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:39,877 could be the most wanted person in America, 695 00:39:39,919 --> 00:39:42,379 a serial murderer. 696 00:39:42,421 --> 00:39:44,841 The cost if we were wrong either way 697 00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:47,263 was so intense. 698 00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:49,762 If we did nothing 699 00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:51,314 and Ted was the Unabomber, he might strike again. 700 00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:53,018 Someone would be dead. 701 00:39:53,058 --> 00:39:54,808 We'd have to go through the rest of our lives 702 00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:56,811 understanding that somebody died 703 00:39:56,853 --> 00:39:59,903 because we had failed to act. That was intolerable. 704 00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:02,149 And then the other side of this 705 00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,152 was the realization, my God, if Ted is... 706 00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:08,775 if Ted is guilty and he's killed three people, 707 00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:11,623 then he's probably gonna get the death penalty. 708 00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:13,119 What would it be like for me 709 00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:15,121 to go through the rest of my life 710 00:40:15,163 --> 00:40:17,213 with my brother's blood on my hands? 711 00:40:17,249 --> 00:40:19,879 The brother I'd sworn to never abandon. 712 00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:21,628 Man, that was unthinkable. 713 00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:23,959 It was like, I was sort of in this box, 714 00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:25,835 not at all of my own making 715 00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:29,092 and there was like no way to get out of it. 716 00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:32,429 - For me, it was easy. 717 00:40:32,471 --> 00:40:34,931 There was a possibility uh... 718 00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:37,604 somewhat a pretty decent possibility 719 00:40:37,643 --> 00:40:39,353 that he was the Unabomber, 720 00:40:39,396 --> 00:40:41,936 so we had to do something. 721 00:40:41,981 --> 00:40:43,981 - So, David called me 722 00:40:45,402 --> 00:40:47,402 and he said, you know, 723 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,445 that this was, this was bad news. 724 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,489 - I said, "Well, we think we need to stop the violence, 725 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,414 so we'd like you to contact the FBI." 726 00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:00,629 We thought everything's gonna change, 727 00:41:00,666 --> 00:41:02,916 you know, everything's gonna... 728 00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:05,421 well, two or three weeks go by, we don't hear anything. 729 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,053 - We are deluged with information. 730 00:41:08,091 --> 00:41:11,431 People are mailing in writings from... 731 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,099 their uncles, their brothers, 732 00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:15,008 their ex-boyfriends, 733 00:41:15,056 --> 00:41:17,226 saying, well, this person might be the Unabomber. 734 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,939 And we're trying to take it in and process it. 735 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:23,860 There were thousands of people who got brief looks. 736 00:41:25,191 --> 00:41:27,531 There were 2,417 people 737 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,777 who were designated formally as suspects. 738 00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:38,159 Ted Kaczynski was number 2,416. 739 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:42,004 - But at this point, my mother got sick. 740 00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:43,841 She was in the hospital in Chicago. 741 00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:45,336 I had to fly back there, 742 00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:48,378 and I found myself alone in her house. 743 00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:53,298 And, um, I realized she had saved a bunch of letters 744 00:41:53,345 --> 00:41:55,005 from my brother, 745 00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:56,354 and among her letters, 746 00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,679 I find a 23-page manuscript 747 00:41:59,725 --> 00:42:01,135 which was like... 748 00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:05,937 I guess you'd call it a proto-manifesto. 749 00:42:05,982 --> 00:42:08,822 It was the essence of the manifesto 750 00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:10,740 boiled down to 23 pages, 751 00:42:10,778 --> 00:42:13,488 written maybe several years earlier. 752 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:15,531 And at that point, without hesitation, 753 00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:17,414 we contacted the FBI. 754 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,961 - A call came into the switchboard, 755 00:42:21,998 --> 00:42:23,958 at the San Francisco office, 756 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,460 looking for someone from the Unabomb Task Force. 757 00:42:27,504 --> 00:42:29,924 It was from an agent and she's read the document 758 00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:32,554 and she thinks it might be important. 759 00:42:32,591 --> 00:42:34,891 All she wanted is someone on the task force 760 00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:36,387 to look at the document 761 00:42:36,429 --> 00:42:38,469 before it just went into the... 762 00:42:38,515 --> 00:42:42,265 great pile of okay-this-has been-handled-and-washed-out. 763 00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:44,440 So, I asked her to send it to me. 764 00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:46,359 She faxed it to me, I looked at it, 765 00:42:46,398 --> 00:42:48,438 uh, and I concluded that 766 00:42:50,943 --> 00:42:52,903 the writer of this 23-page document 767 00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,985 and the writer of the manifesto 768 00:42:55,031 --> 00:42:56,661 were the same person. 769 00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:08,593 This is a huge moment. 770 00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:10,297 The light is at the end of the tunnel. 771 00:43:10,338 --> 00:43:12,008 We are going to solve this case. 772 00:43:12,048 --> 00:43:13,218 We are convinced of it. 773 00:43:19,222 --> 00:43:21,642 But we don't have enough evidence to arrest him. 774 00:43:21,682 --> 00:43:25,442 We can tie him very definitively to the manifesto, 775 00:43:25,478 --> 00:43:27,898 but it's ties based on... 776 00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:29,769 linguistic analysis, essentially. 777 00:43:31,192 --> 00:43:32,822 That's not enough to arrest him. 778 00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:34,700 We need to get into that cabin, 779 00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:37,027 we need to conduct a search of that cabin, 780 00:43:37,073 --> 00:43:38,413 and see what's in there. 781 00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:40,370 That becomes the primary goal, 782 00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:42,950 is getting into the cabin by a search warrant. 783 00:43:42,995 --> 00:43:46,865 We send a handful of agents up there. 784 00:43:46,916 --> 00:43:50,666 - They approached my dad because Ted trusted him - 785 00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:53,051 I mean, as much as he probably trusted anybody - 786 00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:57,049 because he'd been his neighbor for 20-plus years. 787 00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:02,216 - They were like, "What do you know about your neighbor, Ted?" 788 00:44:02,265 --> 00:44:04,805 And Butch is like, "He's a hermit." 789 00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:10,272 And they go, "Well, we're pretty sure 790 00:44:10,315 --> 00:44:12,355 he's the Unabomber." 791 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,450 And Butch is like, "No, he's not the Unabomber." 792 00:44:15,487 --> 00:44:18,697 And he's like, "Yeah, we, we're pretty sure we got him. 793 00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:20,779 And so would you 794 00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:23,195 be willing to help us 795 00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:26,289 in his arrest?" 796 00:44:26,331 --> 00:44:27,831 And Butch is like, "Well, what do you need?" 797 00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:29,753 Well, my dad was asked 798 00:44:29,792 --> 00:44:32,302 to video the terrain 799 00:44:32,337 --> 00:44:34,797 around Ted's place. 800 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,679 And he went out there 801 00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:44,811 and took his video camera, 802 00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:46,979 held it down by his hip 803 00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:49,268 and just walked the grounds 804 00:44:49,312 --> 00:44:51,942 so that the FBI could have a clear vision 805 00:44:51,981 --> 00:44:55,281 of what the terrain looked like around Ted's cabin. 806 00:44:56,693 --> 00:45:00,243 My dad, Butch, was the eyes and the ears of the operation. 807 00:45:01,449 --> 00:45:03,739 - We start getting hints before April 808 00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:06,164 that the investigators are narrowing in; 809 00:45:06,204 --> 00:45:08,414 that the Manifesto 810 00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:10,916 has lit a fuse 811 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:13,708 and that something's going down. 812 00:45:13,752 --> 00:45:16,882 And so, we're scratching everywhere we can. 813 00:45:16,922 --> 00:45:18,842 We get clues, 814 00:45:18,883 --> 00:45:21,223 some of the networks get clues. 815 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:23,140 They're trying to keep a tight lid on it, 816 00:45:23,179 --> 00:45:24,889 but it's leaking out. 817 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,600 - The task force was contacted by CBS 818 00:45:27,642 --> 00:45:29,312 at the beginning of April. 819 00:45:29,352 --> 00:45:32,152 And CBS News indicated that they, essentially, 820 00:45:32,188 --> 00:45:33,478 had the story, 821 00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:35,153 and they were going to run with the story. 822 00:45:35,191 --> 00:45:37,241 We couldn't afford for media trucks 823 00:45:37,276 --> 00:45:39,146 to be driving down that little dirt road 824 00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:41,195 and knock on his door... 825 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,949 for a million reasons. 826 00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:46,580 So, okay, we had 24 hours to get in place. 827 00:45:46,619 --> 00:45:50,289 We flew a planeload of agents, 828 00:45:50,331 --> 00:45:52,041 the entire San Francisco SWAT team 829 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,333 to surround the cabin, 830 00:45:53,376 --> 00:45:55,166 crawl into place during the night, 831 00:45:55,211 --> 00:45:57,131 and then all the other people we would need 832 00:45:57,171 --> 00:45:59,131 to knock on his door the next day. 833 00:46:01,634 --> 00:46:03,764 - The day of the arrest, it was early, 834 00:46:03,802 --> 00:46:05,222 it's kind of chilly, 835 00:46:05,263 --> 00:46:07,393 wind was blowing. 836 00:46:07,432 --> 00:46:09,482 The air was so... 837 00:46:09,517 --> 00:46:11,687 I mean, the tension was so thick 838 00:46:11,728 --> 00:46:13,148 you could just feel it. 839 00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:16,523 - We didn't want to have a situation 840 00:46:16,566 --> 00:46:19,936 where we had a barricaded gunman. 841 00:46:19,985 --> 00:46:23,195 We knew Ted had at least one weapon, 842 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,699 a, a rifle.