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>>WAUKESHA COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE<<
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>>JUNE 15, 2015 10:40PM
WAUKESHA, WI<<
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( men chattering )
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- Man:
Hey, Gypsy, this is Stan.
- Stanley Hancock: Hi, Gypsy.
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- I'll let you guys talk.
- Hi, I'm Det. Hancock.
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I'm with Greene County
Sheriff's Office.
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- How are you today?
- Gypsy: I'm doing good.
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Hancock:
Good.
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( music playing )
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Hancock:
You need to be
honest with me.
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And if you're involved
in anything
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that I'm about ready
to tell you, then you
need to tell me, okay?
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- Absolutely.
- Um, your mom's dead, okay?
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Now, what I want
to ask you--
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- Wait, what, what?
- Your mom's passed away, okay?
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She's deceased,
all right?
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Now, what I want
to ask you--
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did you have
involvement in this?
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- Okay.
- ( crying ) No, no--
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Hang on, listen to me
for just a second, okay?
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- Uh-huh.
- What happened
with your mom that night?
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( Gypsy crying )
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Um...
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I don't know
what happened
with my mom at all.
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- Help me.
Please help me.
- Okay, you...
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Just listen to me,
okay, sweetheart?
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You know what happened
to your mom, okay?
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And I know
that you know.
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Gypsy:
You think that it's me?
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Why would you think
that it's me?
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I have always loved
my mom.
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My mom and I
are best friends.
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Hancock:
Listen to me.
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Please don't dig yourself
in this hole,
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and that's what
you're doing.
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Gypsy:
I really love my mom.
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- I know you do.
- Please.
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I know you-- sweetheart,
I know you love your mom.
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I have no doubt
that you love your mom.
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( crying )
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Hancock:
>>But why did Nick
hurt her?<<
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Now's the time
to be truthful, sweetheart.
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No more lies.
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- Did you kill your mom?
- Gypsy: No. No, sir.
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Hancock:
Did you help Nicholas
kill your mom?
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>>MOMMY DEAD AND DEAREST<<
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( applause )
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Man:
Ladies and gentlemen,
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please welcome
a cancer survivor
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and passionate young lady,
Gypsy Rose Blanchard
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and her mother
Dee Dee Blanchard
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from Springfield, Missouri,
to the stage.
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>>SIX YEARS EARLIER<<
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♪ I believe ♪
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♪ There are angels
among us ♪
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♪ Sent down to us ♪
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♪ From somewhere
up above ♪
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♪ They come
to you and me ♪
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♪ In our darkest hours. ♪
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( applause, cheering )
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Dee Dee:
Thank you, my sweetie.
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I've always said
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you're the reason
I was born to be your mama.
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- ( applause )
- ( mouthing words )
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>>SPRINGFIELD, MO<<
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Reporter:
Breaking news this morning.
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48-year-old
Dee Dee Blanchard
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was found dead
inside her home.
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Her 19-year-old daughter
Gypsy
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is still
considered missing.
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- ( siren wailing )
- Jim Arnott: It all started
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receiving a call
on June 14th
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to check the well-being
of a family.
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>>GREENE COUNTY SHERIFF<<
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( chatter )
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Linda Ong:
Gypsy and Dee Dee
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were Hurricane Katrina
survivors.
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Everybody believed
that they were coming here
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to the Ozarks
to make a better life.
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>>LOCAL NEWS REPORTER
SPRINGFIELD, MO<<
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Arnott:
There was a Facebook post
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that was quite alarming.
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We were actually thinking
that it was somebody that
hacked into the Facebook
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and it wasn't
actually a threat.
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>>WHAT?!!! Did your FB
get hacked? I have never
heard you talk like that.<<
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Elaine Scherer:
Gypsy was in a wheelchair.
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She had leukemia
and she was having seizures
>>COMMUNITY SERVICE WORKER
AURORA, MO<<
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and she had to be
tube fed.
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Arnott:
As the sheriff,
my primary responsibility
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at that time
was really to ensure
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that her well-being
was okay.
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Whatever they were going through
was incredibly hard for them,
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especially with
the medical conditions.
>>GYPSY'S NEIGHBOR AND FRIEND<<
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And so, everybody
gathered around them
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and would try
to help them out
as much as possible.
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It just proves
that happy endings
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are not just
in fairy tales,
they're real.
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The Facebook post
was quote...
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"The bitch is dead."
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And another post stating,
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"I fucking slashed
that fat pig
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and raped her sweet,
innocent daughter.
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Her scream
was so fucking loud, LOL."
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>>GREEN COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE<<
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>>JUNE 16, 2015<<
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Okay, good morning.
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I want to specify
at the beginning of
this press conference
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that this is an ongoing
investigation.
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And I want to start off
with saying
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things are not always
as they appear.
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The truth is--
okay, I'll admit it.
>>GYPSY'S BOYFRIEND<<
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I did actually...
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stab her.
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- I will admit it.
- I know, okay.
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The only reason I did it
is 'cause I did it
for me and her.
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- I would've never did it
if it was not for me and her.
- Okay.
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I know that
he loves me, and...
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he would do
anything for me
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and-- to be with me.
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Did Gypsy know
that you were going
to kill her mother?
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Um... honestly,
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she asked me to.
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Okay.
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>>THE BITCH IS DEAD<<
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Arnott:
Both Facebook postings
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were authored by Gypsy.
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>>I FUCKEN SLASHED THAT FAT PIG
AND RAPED HER SWEET INNOCENT
DAUGHTER...<<
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>>HER SCREAM
WAS SOOOO FUCKEN LOUD LOL<<
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The prosecutor
has filed charges
this morning
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for first-degree murder.
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This is a tragic,
tragic event
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surrounded by mystery
and public deception.
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Gypsy can walk
without assistance
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or a wheelchair...
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and she can do that
very well.
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( clicks )
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Okay.
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( camera clicking )
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>>GYPSY'S ARRAIGNMENT
JUNE 16, 2015<<
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( sobbing )
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This individual
has alleged
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to conspire
with Nicholas Godejohn
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to stab her mother
to death
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so that they could
be together.
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- The penalty is
life imprisonment or death.
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( indistinct chatter )
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Reporter:
Seeing Gypsy Blanchard
walk on her own two feet
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in a Wisconsin courtroom
was a shock to friends
and neighbors.
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>>GYPSY'S NEIGHBOR<<
Is she sick?
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I don't know yet.
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We're trying
to figure that out.
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>>Can she walk?<<
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Um, yes.
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Oh, son of a bitch.
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( crying )
To see her walk...
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was really upsetting.
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Obviously,
if that's a lie,
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then who knows
what all was a lie.
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We really don't know
the true background
of this family,
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as we have unearthed
the appearance
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of a long
financial fraud scheme.
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Reporter:
The family got
medical airlifts,
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Disney travel,
and free housing
over the years
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because of Gypsy's
supposed disabilities.
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Reporter
It was a facade
that translated online,
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>>THE GYPSY ROSE TRIP<<
donations pouring in
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for Gypsy's reported
muscular dystrophy
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and leukemia.
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>>CLICK HERE TO SUPPORT
GYPSY'S MEDICAL TRIP BY DEE
AND GYPSYROSE BLANCHARD<<
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Arnott:
We have not confirmed
the age of Gypsy.
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It appears that there is
several date of births
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that have been used
over a period of time.
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I almost want to say,
"Man, I can't believe she--
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I even wanted
to associate with--
why did I even help them?"
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I just never would see
that that little girl
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really wasn't
who she was supposed to be.
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( camera clicking )
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>>JULY 24, 2015<<
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>>THE PROSECUTION PRESENTS
ITS PRELIMINARY EVIDENCE
AGAINST GYPSY.<<
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Case exhibit 53.
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Can I ask you
if you'll tell me
what that is?
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Dan Patterson:
Miss Blanchard is charged
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with murder
in the first degree.
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When you commit
a first-degree murder,
>>GREENE COUNTY PROSECUTOR<<
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you knowingly cause
the death of another person
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after deliberation.
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Analysis of cell phones
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provided evidence
of numerous text messages
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between Gypsy Blanchard
and Nicholas Godejohn.
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Patterson:
Nicholas Godejohn was someone
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that Gypsy Blanchard
met online.
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They began a online
dating relationship.
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Patterson:
During the attacks,
the two discussed
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Nicholas killing
Clauddine.
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( chimes )
>>The shits gonna go
down tonight...<<
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>>Babe its My Evil Side
doing it<<
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>>he won't mess up
because he enjoys killing<<
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>>...we'll be happy soon.<<
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>>After this night
we will never bring it up<<
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At the beginning,
it looks like a tabloid case.
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It looks like,
"Here's some people
in some weird outfits,
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and they're pretending
to be disabled and they're
scamming everybody.
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And then there's this, like,
sort of horrible murder,
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and the Facebook status,
'That bitch is dead.'"
>>FREELANCE JOURNALIST<<
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Like, all of it
is very tabloid.
>>THE NEW YORKER, BUZZFEED<<
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And then, gradually,
that story just sort of
fell apart.
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Still, it feels to me
like it's developing
into something else.
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( seagull screeching )
>>LAFOURCHE PARISH, LA
GYPSY'S HOMETOWN<<
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>>GYPSY'S FATHER
DEE DEE'S EX-HUSBAND<<
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I still ask the question,
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"How do you kill
your own mother?"
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I mean, there's got
to be a reason.
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There's got to be
some abuse there.
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You don't just...
"I'm gonna kill my mother
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because I wanna be
with a boyfriend."
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Like I told my mom
when I called my mom
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and talked to her
about it.
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I said, "Mama,
I've been-- you know,
I was mad at you before,
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but I've never, ever
in a million years
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thought about
killing you."
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I said, "For me to think
about killing you,
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you'd have had to done
some pretty bad stuff to me."
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Nobody wants
to believe that something
like this can happen.
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>>GYPSY'S LAWYER
MISSOURI PUBLIC DEFENDER<<
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I think
the initial reaction is--
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is that, you know,
Gypsy's been lying
to everybody.
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But when you look
at the backstory,
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when you look
at how we got here,
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this all started
long before Gypsy
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would've ever had any type
of say in what was happening.
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>>GYPSY, 3 MONTHS OLD<<
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Right from birth,
three months old.
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Dee Dee was telling me
that she had sleep apnea
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and she needed
a breathing machine
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or breathing monitor
machine,
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which, I mean, I--
to this day,
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I don't know if that was real
or not, you know?
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It escalated from then.
241
00:11:37,459 --> 00:11:41,167
Problems with her eyes,
her hearing,
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her digestive system.
243
00:11:45,709 --> 00:11:48,042
After that,
Gypsy couldn't walk anymore.
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00:11:48,125 --> 00:11:51,459
She had
a muscular disorder.
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>>GYPSY, 10 YEARS OLD<<
246
00:11:54,918 --> 00:11:57,542
And Dee Dee told me
she would need a wheelchair.
247
00:11:57,626 --> 00:12:00,250
You know, I asked her.
I said, "Man, she's got
a lot of issues.
248
00:12:00,334 --> 00:12:03,167
What's going on?"
You know, and, um...
249
00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:05,959
They had done some tests
and found out she had
a chromosome disorder
250
00:12:06,042 --> 00:12:10,125
that was causing
all of her functions
from developing--
251
00:12:10,209 --> 00:12:12,542
her digestive system
and her muscular system.
252
00:12:16,375 --> 00:12:18,542
Dee Dee told me
she's not going to live
253
00:12:18,626 --> 00:12:21,375
to be, you know,
18 years old.
254
00:12:21,459 --> 00:12:25,209
She may be an old teenager,
that's about it.
255
00:12:25,292 --> 00:12:27,167
You know,
I was like, "Really?"
256
00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:30,626
You know, it was shocking,
it was disturbing.
257
00:12:30,709 --> 00:12:33,167
And to see her
at 23 years old now,
258
00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:36,042
perfectly healthy--
( scoffs )
259
00:12:36,125 --> 00:12:39,584
( stammering )
it pisses me off, you know?
260
00:12:43,751 --> 00:12:45,792
>>GYPSY'S STEPMOTHER<<
261
00:12:45,876 --> 00:12:47,417
( growls )
262
00:12:51,250 --> 00:12:53,459
Kristy:
This picture here...
263
00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:58,542
I don't know
if this was the surgery
264
00:12:58,626 --> 00:13:01,000
where she thought
her stomach lining
265
00:13:01,083 --> 00:13:02,751
wrapped around
her esophagus.
266
00:13:02,834 --> 00:13:04,834
Rod:
No, she would've
had that earlier.
267
00:13:04,918 --> 00:13:08,375
She had that feeding tube
way before then.
268
00:13:08,459 --> 00:13:09,792
You know?
269
00:13:09,876 --> 00:13:11,751
She was 10 here.
270
00:13:14,751 --> 00:13:17,751
Rod:
This was probably close
to the first year or two
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when she was
in a wheelchair.
272
00:13:20,459 --> 00:13:21,751
Yep.
273
00:13:23,125 --> 00:13:25,250
Breaks my heart...
274
00:13:25,334 --> 00:13:27,000
knowing she got put
through all of this
275
00:13:27,083 --> 00:13:28,709
when she didn't need it.
276
00:13:31,042 --> 00:13:32,834
Fourteen years.
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00:13:34,709 --> 00:13:36,542
To be confined.
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The last 14 years
in a wheelchair.
279
00:13:40,083 --> 00:13:41,667
I couldn't imagine.
280
00:13:47,417 --> 00:13:49,959
Stanfield: I've never
encountered anything
281
00:13:50,042 --> 00:13:53,209
that is even close to what
Gypsy has gone through.
282
00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:58,250
Her mother appeared
to have taken great steps
283
00:13:58,334 --> 00:14:02,125
to keep Gypsy
in a very juvenile role,
284
00:14:02,209 --> 00:14:06,876
making her act
several years younger
than her actual age.
285
00:14:08,584 --> 00:14:10,542
It appears that Gypsy
was not even aware
286
00:14:10,626 --> 00:14:12,876
of what
her actual age was.
287
00:14:14,542 --> 00:14:16,250
Rod:
I called her
for her 18th birthday,
288
00:14:16,334 --> 00:14:19,125
and Dee Dee said,
"Don't tell her she's 18,
you know?"
289
00:14:19,209 --> 00:14:20,751
I'm like, "What you mean
don't tell her she's 18?
290
00:14:20,834 --> 00:14:23,125
She knows she's 18.
It's her 18th birthday."
291
00:14:23,209 --> 00:14:25,083
"Yeah, but she don't know
she's 18.
292
00:14:25,167 --> 00:14:26,292
She's-- you know."
293
00:14:26,375 --> 00:14:28,000
I thought it was weird,
you know?
294
00:14:28,083 --> 00:14:29,417
I-- she--
295
00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:32,292
I mean, I always did know
that she--
296
00:14:32,375 --> 00:14:34,459
she told me
her mental capacity was,
297
00:14:34,542 --> 00:14:35,709
you know, like,
five years behind.
298
00:14:35,792 --> 00:14:37,876
When she was, like, 15,
she was like,
299
00:14:37,959 --> 00:14:40,167
"Oh, yeah, her learning
is coming along,
300
00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:43,959
but she's like, mentally,
at a 9- or 10-year-old."
301
00:14:44,042 --> 00:14:47,542
Kristy:
She looks like
she would be 10 and 11,
302
00:14:47,626 --> 00:14:51,209
and she was probably
like, 21, 22.
303
00:14:52,375 --> 00:14:54,334
I wonder
what she was thinking.
304
00:14:58,334 --> 00:15:00,334
Hello, everybody!
This is Gypsy Rose
305
00:15:00,417 --> 00:15:02,375
reporting
from Aurora, Missouri.
306
00:15:02,459 --> 00:15:05,292
I'm about to dive
off our porch
>>DEE DEE'S HOME MOVIES<<
307
00:15:05,375 --> 00:15:07,584
into the pile of snow.
308
00:15:07,667 --> 00:15:09,083
You ready?
309
00:15:10,876 --> 00:15:12,584
( screams, laughs )
310
00:15:12,667 --> 00:15:14,667
That was so grand!
311
00:15:14,751 --> 00:15:16,209
Whoo!
312
00:15:16,292 --> 00:15:17,876
All right!
313
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000
Yooh!
314
00:15:20,083 --> 00:15:21,292
Yeah!
315
00:15:21,375 --> 00:15:22,042
>>A SPECIAL DAY<<
316
00:15:22,125 --> 00:15:23,876
( squealing )
317
00:15:23,959 --> 00:15:26,667
That's so cool.
Let's do it again.
318
00:15:26,751 --> 00:15:28,292
Dean:
It's hard to answer
a lot questions
319
00:15:28,375 --> 00:15:29,834
about who Gypsy is,
right?
320
00:15:29,918 --> 00:15:32,334
Because she was somebody else
for such a long time.
321
00:15:32,417 --> 00:15:34,584
- ( door closes )
- Dean: And now we know her
322
00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:36,542
as almost a completely
different person.
323
00:15:36,626 --> 00:15:40,167
- Erin Lee Carr: I'm Erin,
as you remember.
- I remember.
324
00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:43,667
Dean:
I would be curious
if anybody Gypsy has talked to
325
00:15:43,751 --> 00:15:46,459
feels they're getting
the full story.
326
00:15:46,542 --> 00:15:50,792
This is actually
kind of the first time
I've been honest
327
00:15:50,876 --> 00:15:54,125
besides being honest,
you know, with my attorneys.
328
00:15:54,209 --> 00:15:58,000
Even then, I haven't been
completely honest
with them, so...
329
00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,667
Carr:
How would you
describe your mom?
330
00:16:02,751 --> 00:16:04,250
Um...
331
00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,209
unique.
332
00:16:10,292 --> 00:16:12,918
Um...
333
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,250
I mean,
I used to always think
334
00:16:14,334 --> 00:16:16,792
that maybe she was
a little overprotective.
335
00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:20,167
So, if I had to say
one word about her,
336
00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:23,167
it would be overprotective.
337
00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:24,292
Dee Dee:
How old are you?
338
00:16:24,375 --> 00:16:25,334
>>GYPSY, 1 YEAR OLD<<
339
00:16:25,417 --> 00:16:26,751
>>(DEE DEE'S VOICE
OFFSCREEN)<<
You're one.
340
00:16:26,834 --> 00:16:28,918
And where's your cranial?
341
00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000
Very good.
And where's your phalanges?
342
00:16:32,083 --> 00:16:35,375
Yes.
Very, very good.
343
00:16:35,459 --> 00:16:40,375
I really didn't think
any abuse was going on.
344
00:16:40,459 --> 00:16:43,626
Um... it's like
when you're abused,
345
00:16:43,709 --> 00:16:45,584
but you've lived that way
your whole life.
346
00:16:45,667 --> 00:16:48,375
You don't really know
that you're being abused.
347
00:16:48,459 --> 00:16:50,834
You don't know
any different.
348
00:16:50,918 --> 00:16:54,709
Looking at
the open ocean now.
349
00:16:54,792 --> 00:16:57,042
And it's beautiful!
350
00:16:59,083 --> 00:17:00,918
Gypsy:
I knew that I was different
351
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,876
or my life was different
from other kids'.
352
00:17:03,959 --> 00:17:07,500
But people thought of us,
as, you know,
353
00:17:07,584 --> 00:17:11,626
the sweetest
mother-daughter family ever.
354
00:17:11,709 --> 00:17:13,876
The best two people
in the world.
355
00:17:16,334 --> 00:17:18,167
Carr:
What illnesses
did your mom
356
00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:20,667
say that you had?
357
00:17:20,751 --> 00:17:22,167
Um...
358
00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:26,792
asthma, epilepsy,
hearing impaired,
359
00:17:26,876 --> 00:17:30,834
vision impaired,
fed with a feeding tube,
360
00:17:30,918 --> 00:17:34,125
paralyzed
from the waist down.
361
00:17:34,209 --> 00:17:35,626
Um...
362
00:17:35,709 --> 00:17:39,792
slow, so retardation.
363
00:17:39,876 --> 00:17:41,250
And-- among other things,
364
00:17:41,334 --> 00:17:43,334
I just can't
remember them.
365
00:17:44,292 --> 00:17:45,125
>>GYPSYROSE'S DIAGANOSIS<<
366
00:17:45,209 --> 00:17:47,250
>>LIST OF CONDITIONS
DEE DEE GAVE TO DOCTORS<<
367
00:17:47,334 --> 00:17:53,417
>>G I REFLUX, ANEMIA,
HYPERVENTILATION, INCONTANINCE,
LUNG DISEASE, HEART MUMMUR<<
368
00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:58,584
>>DEE DEE'S
MEDICAL CLOSET<<
369
00:17:58,667 --> 00:18:01,125
Gypsy: I was
on breathing medication.
370
00:18:02,834 --> 00:18:04,876
Medication for seizures.
371
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,417
Medication to help
go to the bathroom.
372
00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:12,209
Pain medication,
anxiety medication.
373
00:18:13,584 --> 00:18:16,000
Just everything.
374
00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:20,500
I would have to put on
the breathing machine
every night.
375
00:18:20,584 --> 00:18:22,751
I hated it, though,
because it seemed to make
376
00:18:22,834 --> 00:18:24,667
my breathing worse,
not better.
377
00:18:27,167 --> 00:18:31,000
And then another machine
was for the feeding tube.
378
00:18:31,083 --> 00:18:34,626
It was controlling
what I'd eat.
379
00:18:34,709 --> 00:18:39,125
My medications would be
put through there.
380
00:18:39,209 --> 00:18:41,250
I really wouldn't even
have to be awake.
381
00:18:41,334 --> 00:18:44,167
So, she could put
whatever in my body,
382
00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:45,959
and I wouldn't even know.
383
00:18:47,834 --> 00:18:49,042
( yawns )
384
00:18:49,125 --> 00:18:50,125
>>DEE DEE AND GYPSY ON
ONE OF THEIR MEDICAL TRIPS<<
385
00:18:50,209 --> 00:18:51,834
Dee Dee:
Hey, you make me
wanna yawn.
386
00:18:51,918 --> 00:18:53,626
- ( yawning )
- ( snorts )
387
00:18:53,709 --> 00:18:56,751
( laughs )
So, where are you
going today?
388
00:18:56,834 --> 00:19:00,334
I'm going
to Children's Mercy Hospital
389
00:19:00,417 --> 00:19:03,250
to see my dentist.
390
00:19:03,334 --> 00:19:05,042
For my teeth.
391
00:19:06,167 --> 00:19:07,375
And we'll be back.
392
00:19:07,459 --> 00:19:09,876
And we'll be back soon.
393
00:19:09,959 --> 00:19:12,584
- Not yet.
- ( giggles )
394
00:19:13,542 --> 00:19:15,500
>>ACCORDING
TO MEDICAL RECORDS,<<
395
00:19:15,584 --> 00:19:17,667
>>DEE DEE BROUGHT GYPSY
TO LOCAL HOSPITALS<<
396
00:19:17,751 --> 00:19:20,000
>>OVER 100 TIMES
BETWEEN 2005 AND 2014.<<
397
00:19:22,792 --> 00:19:24,709
Gypsy:
If we'd be going
to the doctor,
398
00:19:24,792 --> 00:19:27,083
she would do
all the talking.
399
00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:29,083
I'd always have
a stuffed animal
400
00:19:29,167 --> 00:19:31,876
or a Barbie doll.
401
00:19:31,959 --> 00:19:35,209
She'd just tell me just play
with my Barbie doll.
402
00:19:36,792 --> 00:19:39,417
And if the doctor would come
to examine me--
403
00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,209
"Just stay
in the wheelchair,
404
00:19:41,292 --> 00:19:43,876
be calm,
play with your doll,
405
00:19:43,959 --> 00:19:45,709
and don't move your legs."
406
00:19:45,792 --> 00:19:50,292
>>GYPSY UNDERWENT
MULTIPLE SURGERIES
DURING HER HOSPITAL VISITS.<<
407
00:19:52,209 --> 00:19:53,542
>>THEY INCLUDED
GASTROINTESTINAL OPERATIONS,<<
408
00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:55,209
>>EYE PROCEDURES,
AND THE REMOVAL<<
409
00:19:55,292 --> 00:19:56,709
>>OF HER SALIVARY GLANDS.<<
410
00:19:56,792 --> 00:19:59,751
I was just
as much in the dark
as everybody else.
411
00:19:59,834 --> 00:20:02,375
The only thing I knew
is that I could walk.
412
00:20:02,459 --> 00:20:03,834
As for everything else,
413
00:20:03,918 --> 00:20:06,876
you had the leukemia
and the epilepsy.
414
00:20:06,959 --> 00:20:08,209
I was taking medication
415
00:20:08,292 --> 00:20:10,375
that she said
was cancer medicine.
416
00:20:10,459 --> 00:20:12,125
She would shave my head
and say,
417
00:20:12,209 --> 00:20:13,792
"Well, it's going
to fall out anyway,
418
00:20:13,876 --> 00:20:17,083
so let's just keep it
nice and neat."
419
00:20:17,167 --> 00:20:21,167
I just went on blind faith
that a mother knows best.
420
00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:24,959
>>THE MEDICATIONS
DEE DEE GAVE GYPSY
INDUCED MANY OF THE SYMPTOMS
421
00:20:25,042 --> 00:20:28,667
>>OF DISEASES DOCTORS THOUGHT
THEY WERE TREATING.<<
422
00:20:30,292 --> 00:20:35,083
You're supposed to love
and protect your children.
423
00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:37,250
How could you do this
to your child?
424
00:20:37,334 --> 00:20:40,542
Dr. Marc Feldman:
Gypsy Rose Blanchard
425
00:20:40,626 --> 00:20:42,542
>>SKYPE INTERVIEW<<
was as consistently
426
00:20:42,626 --> 00:20:46,167
>>CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST<<
and viciously subjected to,
427
00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:48,459
>>MUNCHAUSEN EXPERT<<
in my opinion,
Munchausen by proxy
428
00:20:48,542 --> 00:20:50,250
as anyone
I've come across.
429
00:20:50,334 --> 00:20:53,292
>>MUNCHAUSEN BY PROXY
SYNDROME<<
Munchausen by proxy
involves a caregiver
430
00:20:53,375 --> 00:20:59,042
who either feigns
or actually induces illness
in her children.
431
00:20:59,125 --> 00:21:02,876
And her goal is some kind
of emotional gratification--
432
00:21:02,959 --> 00:21:07,125
looking for sympathy,
attention, care,
433
00:21:07,209 --> 00:21:11,083
concern that she feels
unable to get in any other way.
434
00:21:11,167 --> 00:21:15,626
It is a form of child abuse,
first and foremost.
435
00:21:15,709 --> 00:21:17,959
Gypsy:
The earliest surgery
that I can remember
436
00:21:18,042 --> 00:21:20,542
probably would be
437
00:21:20,626 --> 00:21:23,792
having my feeding tube
put in.
438
00:21:25,375 --> 00:21:27,584
You have to have it
constantly changed,
439
00:21:27,667 --> 00:21:29,375
like every six months.
440
00:21:29,459 --> 00:21:30,876
And that would be
pretty painful,
441
00:21:30,959 --> 00:21:33,042
because they don't put you
under anesthesia,
442
00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:35,459
they just take you
in the emergency room,
443
00:21:35,542 --> 00:21:38,083
rip the old one out,
and put a new one in.
444
00:21:38,167 --> 00:21:41,709
I don't know why
these procedures were done
445
00:21:41,792 --> 00:21:46,209
or how her mother was able
to convince the doctors.
446
00:21:46,292 --> 00:21:47,667
"Mindboggling"
is the only way
447
00:21:47,751 --> 00:21:52,292
I can put her ability
to manipulate people.
448
00:22:02,751 --> 00:22:05,417
Basically, each one
of these paperclips
449
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:09,667
is some medical record
450
00:22:09,751 --> 00:22:13,000
where Dee Dee
essentially lied
451
00:22:13,083 --> 00:22:15,042
to the doctor
about something.
452
00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:16,918
Mentally,
Gypsy is behind.
453
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,417
She's at the level
of a seven-year-old
454
00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:20,125
on mother's information.
455
00:22:20,209 --> 00:22:22,167
And this is something
that you see
456
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:24,542
almost across
all of the records,
457
00:22:24,626 --> 00:22:29,042
is "Upon mother's information,"
"Upon history by mother."
458
00:22:29,125 --> 00:22:32,000
So she's talking
to the doctor here
and she's talking about
459
00:22:32,083 --> 00:22:35,751
how she has mental
and developmental delays,
needs assistance.
460
00:22:35,834 --> 00:22:39,042
Apparently, "while holding
her hands over Gypsy's ears,
461
00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:42,250
so as not offend,
history of mental retardation--
462
00:22:42,334 --> 00:22:44,292
seven-year-old level,
per mom."
463
00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:49,250
And so, this was the one time
where a doctor actually
put in the record
464
00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:52,417
that Dee Dee's got her hands
over Gypsy's ears,
465
00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:56,125
so Gypsy can't even hear
what Mom is telling the doctor.
466
00:22:56,209 --> 00:22:58,292
Then we get into
the family history.
467
00:22:58,375 --> 00:23:00,042
The family history changed
468
00:23:00,125 --> 00:23:02,792
depending on what doctor
she was at.
469
00:23:02,876 --> 00:23:05,792
You'll notice here,
we don't get a whole lot of...
470
00:23:05,876 --> 00:23:08,334
- She's at the cardiologist.
- Right, she's at
the cardiologist,
471
00:23:08,417 --> 00:23:10,584
and so they all died
of a heart attack.
472
00:23:10,667 --> 00:23:11,876
( sighs )
473
00:23:11,959 --> 00:23:14,959
Now, this was the first one
that jumped out at me.
474
00:23:16,709 --> 00:23:18,751
She ends up going
to the neurologist,
475
00:23:18,834 --> 00:23:21,876
Dr. Flasterstein,
and so...
476
00:23:21,959 --> 00:23:25,626
the very first thing
right off the bat-- "Mother
is not a good historian,"
477
00:23:25,709 --> 00:23:30,667
which is interesting,
because he puts that in bold
and underlines it.
478
00:23:30,751 --> 00:23:33,167
Dr. Flasterstein:
One of the things
that was a big discrepancy
479
00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:36,209
was that for a person
that has not walked
480
00:23:36,292 --> 00:23:38,751
for nine years,
for years,
481
00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:41,083
she should have,
technically,
482
00:23:41,167 --> 00:23:44,292
almost no muscles
in her lower extremities.
483
00:23:44,375 --> 00:23:48,876
But she did have muscles
that looked quite normal.
484
00:23:48,959 --> 00:23:51,542
And she was able to support
her body weight.
485
00:23:51,626 --> 00:23:53,876
I remember her standing.
486
00:23:53,959 --> 00:23:57,209
So, I had a big doubt
about the whole thing,
from the beginning.
487
00:23:57,292 --> 00:24:00,125
Stanfield:
He says, "Since last seen,
488
00:24:00,209 --> 00:24:03,167
I managed to talk to
one of her previous providers.
489
00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:06,959
She specifically remembers
Gypsy Rose and mentioned that
her previous neurologist
490
00:24:07,042 --> 00:24:11,959
clearly reported the fact
that Gypsy does not have
muscular dystrophy.
491
00:24:12,042 --> 00:24:15,083
Analyzing all the facts,
and after talking to her
previous pediatrician,
492
00:24:15,167 --> 00:24:18,292
- there's a strong possibility
of Munchausen by proxy..."
- What?
493
00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:22,667
...with maybe some underlying,
unknown ideology to explain
her symptoms."
494
00:24:27,959 --> 00:24:32,375
Once in a while,
we report patients
to Social Services.
495
00:24:32,459 --> 00:24:36,042
We do that when we feel
that there's a neglect.
496
00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:39,334
But a neglect is different
from what this mom was doing.
497
00:24:39,417 --> 00:24:41,083
She wasn't
really neglecting her,
498
00:24:41,167 --> 00:24:44,125
she was overtreating her.
499
00:24:44,209 --> 00:24:46,250
We have a system,
500
00:24:46,334 --> 00:24:48,125
which is a big
integrated system,
501
00:24:48,209 --> 00:24:52,042
that decided to adopt her
and bring her, support her.
502
00:24:52,125 --> 00:24:54,918
So many people
looking at her,
503
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,083
knowing the history,
knowing what she was
going through,
504
00:24:58,167 --> 00:25:00,334
knowing what
she went through,
505
00:25:00,417 --> 00:25:02,834
I would have been rejected
on the spot.
506
00:25:02,918 --> 00:25:05,375
So all that I could do
was put that in my notes.
507
00:25:05,459 --> 00:25:08,626
Nobody in the system
ever said anything about it,
508
00:25:08,709 --> 00:25:11,167
and I didn't see it right
to keep going
509
00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:15,918
in convincing other people
that something is
not right here.
510
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,209
- Now...
- Un-freakin'-believable.
511
00:25:18,292 --> 00:25:21,083
...here's
the interesting thing.
512
00:25:21,167 --> 00:25:23,667
This is
the last record
513
00:25:23,751 --> 00:25:27,334
from Mercy,
here in Springfield,
until 2015.
514
00:25:27,417 --> 00:25:28,876
So, this is 2007.
515
00:25:28,959 --> 00:25:30,626
Rod:
Eight years.
516
00:25:30,709 --> 00:25:35,042
What I couldn't figure out
was how Dee Dee figured out
517
00:25:35,125 --> 00:25:37,792
that Dr. Flasterstein
was on to her.
518
00:25:37,876 --> 00:25:40,334
But if you look at a lot
these social work notes,
519
00:25:40,417 --> 00:25:44,000
Dee Dee's requesting
medical records.
520
00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:46,667
She would have gotten
a copy of this letter.
521
00:25:46,751 --> 00:25:50,042
But I still
don't understand
522
00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:54,709
why you put your child
through this.
523
00:25:56,042 --> 00:25:58,751
I don't know.
I mean, the thing is...
524
00:25:58,834 --> 00:26:01,500
- Good question.
- ...it just keeps going.
525
00:26:01,584 --> 00:26:03,292
And it would have
kept going
526
00:26:03,375 --> 00:26:10,209
'cause her mama was
an insane, compulsive liar.
527
00:26:19,417 --> 00:26:23,292
Rod: Dee Dee and I met
at the bowling alley
one night.
528
00:26:23,375 --> 00:26:26,000
Met up again
a couple of weeks later.
529
00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:29,792
And then we started
dating then.
530
00:26:29,876 --> 00:26:30,876
She got pregnant.
531
00:26:30,959 --> 00:26:33,751
She got pregnant and...
532
00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:36,542
being from the South,
I guess, it was--
533
00:26:36,626 --> 00:26:39,334
I was raised where
you got a girl pregnant,
534
00:26:39,417 --> 00:26:40,834
then you got married.
535
00:26:40,918 --> 00:26:43,375
There was no other question
about what you did.
536
00:26:45,417 --> 00:26:46,959
I was 17.
537
00:26:48,918 --> 00:26:50,626
I woke up
on my 18th birthday
538
00:26:50,709 --> 00:26:53,334
and I'm like,
"What am I doing here?"
539
00:26:55,542 --> 00:26:57,125
She was kind of
into some dark--
540
00:26:57,209 --> 00:26:58,918
darkness--
dark things.
541
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,626
Uh...
542
00:27:00,709 --> 00:27:02,626
she started talking
a little bit about witchcrafts
543
00:27:02,709 --> 00:27:07,500
and just different
weird, dark stuff like that.
544
00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:09,500
It was kind of weird.
545
00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:11,209
She had a pet tarantula.
546
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:20,542
Dee Dee was my aunt.
547
00:27:20,626 --> 00:27:25,709
Um, real... weird girl.
548
00:27:25,792 --> 00:27:29,000
I would think
she's bipolar, no doubt.
549
00:27:29,083 --> 00:27:31,751
Multiple personalities,
perhaps.
550
00:27:33,792 --> 00:27:35,918
Definitely...
551
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,042
an evil person,
I would say, you know?
552
00:27:44,709 --> 00:27:48,792
To shave your kid's head
and say that she's got leukemia?
553
00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,959
You're a sick individual.
554
00:27:51,042 --> 00:27:54,250
( music playing )
555
00:27:54,334 --> 00:27:56,751
MC:
At this time, we'd like
to present to you
556
00:27:56,834 --> 00:27:59,834
South Lafourche
ROTC Military Queen,
557
00:27:59,918 --> 00:28:01,751
Ms. Clauddinea Pitre.
558
00:28:01,834 --> 00:28:05,709
Her escort--
Sergeant Earl Longden.
559
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,250
Clauddine "Dee Dee" Pitre...
560
00:28:10,334 --> 00:28:12,500
( continues indistinctly )
561
00:28:15,292 --> 00:28:17,209
( tinkling )
562
00:28:24,459 --> 00:28:27,209
Carr:
What was Dee Dee like
as a child?
563
00:28:27,292 --> 00:28:28,542
What, baby?
564
00:28:28,626 --> 00:28:30,709
What was Dee Dee like
as a child?
565
00:28:30,792 --> 00:28:34,459
- What was Dee Dee like
as a child?
- Dee Dee?
566
00:28:34,542 --> 00:28:36,292
She was okay.
567
00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:38,459
We were pretty close,
me and her.
568
00:28:38,542 --> 00:28:42,334
Yeah, I would
give her everything
that she wanted anyway.
569
00:28:42,417 --> 00:28:44,417
Whatever she wanted.
570
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,959
Except a dog in the house.
I didn't want that.
571
00:28:47,042 --> 00:28:49,167
Now we wind up-- we got
two dogs in the house.
572
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:52,584
( chuckles )
573
00:28:52,667 --> 00:28:56,000
Ahem, but this--
she was something else.
574
00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:02,792
Laura Pitre:
She was a very filthy person.
575
00:29:02,876 --> 00:29:04,709
If it didn't go her way,
576
00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:06,751
she'd see to it
that you would pay.
577
00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:09,459
And did we pay.
578
00:29:09,542 --> 00:29:11,417
Paid a lot.
579
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,500
She opened credit cards
in my dad's name,
580
00:29:13,584 --> 00:29:16,834
my grandpa's name,
ran up crazy bills.
581
00:29:16,918 --> 00:29:20,083
Supposedly,
America's Most Wanted
was looking for this girl.
582
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,667
Laura:
583
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:30,918
Slidell--
she was wanted.
584
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,751
Bad checks
in New Orleans.
585
00:29:34,042 --> 00:29:35,459
Claude:
No matter where she went,
586
00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:37,918
she was doing
all kind of stuff.
587
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,500
She was poisoning
my stepmother.
588
00:29:40,584 --> 00:29:43,792
Supposedly, she was
giving her some...
589
00:29:43,876 --> 00:29:47,167
Roundup
in her food and stuff.
590
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:50,000
She was putting
some poison in my food.
591
00:29:50,083 --> 00:29:52,209
The same thing
she had put in the plant.
592
00:29:52,292 --> 00:29:55,751
And she wind up--
she stayed nine months
in bed after that.
593
00:29:55,834 --> 00:29:57,083
She couldn't get up.
594
00:29:57,167 --> 00:29:59,042
I didn't think
she was going to make it.
595
00:29:59,125 --> 00:30:01,417
There was nothing
she couldn't get away with.
596
00:30:06,167 --> 00:30:08,542
Laura:
Her mama was
a little bit like her.
597
00:30:08,626 --> 00:30:11,209
Claude:
Yeah, her mama, too.
598
00:30:11,292 --> 00:30:16,500
Her mama was a shoplifter
and all kind of stuff.
599
00:30:16,584 --> 00:30:19,083
I don't know how many times
she had to go to court
600
00:30:19,167 --> 00:30:20,792
for shoplifting
and other things.
601
00:30:25,042 --> 00:30:27,751
Laura:
She had stolen how much
money from your daddy?
602
00:30:27,834 --> 00:30:30,709
Before he got married,
she had stolen
603
00:30:30,792 --> 00:30:33,667
I think it's $3,000
or $4,000 from my daddy.
604
00:30:35,918 --> 00:30:38,500
Bobby:
I think ever since
my grandmother died,
605
00:30:38,584 --> 00:30:41,042
Dee Dee kind of went
off the deep end.
606
00:30:42,792 --> 00:30:44,417
Kristy:
The day that her mom died,
607
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:46,459
Dee Dee was
in the house somewhere,
608
00:30:46,542 --> 00:30:49,667
and Dee Dee
was starving her.
609
00:30:49,751 --> 00:30:53,125
Like, she wasn't--
Dee Dee wasn't giving her
anything to eat.
610
00:30:54,542 --> 00:30:55,876
I asked her sister--
611
00:30:55,959 --> 00:30:57,459
you know, I was like,
"I hate to ask this,
612
00:30:57,542 --> 00:31:00,209
but you think Dee Dee
had anything to do
613
00:31:00,292 --> 00:31:02,667
with her mom's death?"
614
00:31:02,751 --> 00:31:05,876
And she, you know,
said,
615
00:31:05,959 --> 00:31:07,584
"Now I wonder."
616
00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:11,834
That's how evil she was.
617
00:31:14,542 --> 00:31:17,167
To leave your mama dirty
and asking for food
618
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:18,959
and not want
to feed her...
619
00:31:19,042 --> 00:31:21,626
- Yeah.
- ...that's evil.
620
00:31:24,209 --> 00:31:27,125
Carr:
Were you sad at all
when you heard she was dead?
621
00:31:29,167 --> 00:31:31,000
Me?
622
00:31:31,083 --> 00:31:33,959
I didn't believe it.
623
00:31:34,042 --> 00:31:36,626
- It didn't--
- It just didn't sink.
624
00:31:36,709 --> 00:31:39,667
It took a few days
before... you know?
625
00:31:39,751 --> 00:31:42,792
I didn't believe
that she was dead.
626
00:31:42,876 --> 00:31:46,626
I thought it was another
one of her tricks.
627
00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:48,918
I said, "Who did Dee Dee
piss off now?
628
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,042
You know, what kind of shit
did Dee Dee get into?"
629
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:54,334
I wasn't thinking,
"Oh, God, my aunt's dead."
630
00:31:54,417 --> 00:31:56,834
Because I figured that one day
she'd piss off somebody
631
00:31:56,918 --> 00:31:58,709
to that point,
you know?
632
00:31:58,792 --> 00:32:02,417
And I actually did think
that it would probably
be Gypsy, you know?
633
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:06,292
And whenever--
we later got the word
634
00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:08,876
that Gypsy was fine and she was
by her boyfriend's house,
635
00:32:08,959 --> 00:32:11,000
we were like,
"She killed her mama.
She finally did it.
636
00:32:11,083 --> 00:32:12,334
She couldn't take it
anymore."
637
00:32:12,417 --> 00:32:13,792
She finally just said,
"Fuck it all.
638
00:32:13,876 --> 00:32:15,459
I'm killing this bitch."
639
00:32:15,542 --> 00:32:19,000
Carr:
Do you think she got
what she deserved?
640
00:32:19,083 --> 00:32:21,626
- According to
Gypsy, yes.
- Yes.
641
00:32:21,709 --> 00:32:24,667
Yeah, she got
what she deserved.
642
00:32:24,751 --> 00:32:28,125
I know all the brothers
and sisters don't care
643
00:32:28,209 --> 00:32:30,375
about Dee Dee no more.
644
00:32:30,459 --> 00:32:33,125
Gypsy--
she got cremated.
645
00:32:33,209 --> 00:32:35,209
She said,
"What you want me
to do with the ashes?"
646
00:32:35,292 --> 00:32:37,375
Everybody said,
"I don't want her.
I don't want her."
647
00:32:37,459 --> 00:32:40,751
- Darla said, "Flush 'em."
- I told her, "Flush that
in the toilet."
648
00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:43,292
( laughing )
I didn't want it.
649
00:32:43,375 --> 00:32:45,709
Her sister said,
"Flush that in the toilet."
650
00:32:45,792 --> 00:32:47,918
She said, "We're going
to bring that in Mama's room,
651
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,459
make her a mass
and everything."
652
00:32:49,542 --> 00:32:52,125
"You going to pay for it?
I'm not paying for it.
653
00:32:52,209 --> 00:32:55,459
We can't afford it.
Flush it in the toilet."
654
00:32:57,042 --> 00:33:01,083
>>GREENE COUNTY COURTHOUSE
NOVEMBER 9,2015<<
655
00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:16,584
( cameras clicking )
656
00:33:16,667 --> 00:33:19,584
Reporter:
Prosecutors have decided
not to seek the death penalty
657
00:33:19,667 --> 00:33:21,667
against a Springfield woman
and her boyfriend,
658
00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:25,250
both of whom are
accused of murdering
the woman's mother.
659
00:33:25,334 --> 00:33:27,751
Reporter
The announcement comes
after several conversations
660
00:33:27,834 --> 00:33:29,667
between the defense
and prosecution,
661
00:33:29,751 --> 00:33:32,500
both agreeing
this was the best decision.
662
00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:35,584
Patterson:
Being a prosecutor,
663
00:33:35,667 --> 00:33:37,792
the standard is to do
what's right
664
00:33:37,876 --> 00:33:39,167
and what's just.
665
00:33:40,417 --> 00:33:42,209
When you look
at the mitigators
666
00:33:42,292 --> 00:33:45,042
as well as the background
of these individuals
as we know it,
667
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:46,876
as well as the facts
of the case,
668
00:33:46,959 --> 00:33:49,876
this case
was not an appropriate
first-degree murder case
669
00:33:49,959 --> 00:33:51,667
in which to seek
the death penalty.
670
00:33:51,751 --> 00:33:55,500
This is a case
that we haven't dealt with,
671
00:33:55,584 --> 00:33:58,667
and it's because
it's so unusual.
672
00:33:58,751 --> 00:34:00,876
I mean, it really is
an unusual case.
673
00:34:02,417 --> 00:34:05,042
What we thought initially
may be a victim
674
00:34:05,125 --> 00:34:06,626
turns out to be
a suspect,
675
00:34:06,709 --> 00:34:09,959
and in the middle of a story
that is twisted.
676
00:34:10,042 --> 00:34:12,834
We think we know
who Gypsy is,
677
00:34:12,918 --> 00:34:15,751
but once this trial
starts,
678
00:34:15,834 --> 00:34:17,709
we'll be able to see
her life unfold
679
00:34:17,792 --> 00:34:21,751
and find out exactly
what she was all about.
680
00:34:21,834 --> 00:34:24,209
( music playing )
>>HOME VIDEO FROM ONE OF
DEE DEE AND GYPSY'S TRIPS
TO DISNEY WORLD<<
681
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:27,626
Hi, everybody.
682
00:34:27,709 --> 00:34:30,334
Right now,
I'm in Cinderella's castle
683
00:34:30,417 --> 00:34:33,959
eating some
real mashed potatoes.
684
00:34:34,042 --> 00:34:35,751
Mm!
685
00:34:35,834 --> 00:34:37,250
That is good.
686
00:34:42,834 --> 00:34:44,751
Dean:
Gypsy loved Disney
687
00:34:44,834 --> 00:34:47,751
because they were stories
that resolved
688
00:34:47,834 --> 00:34:49,459
in happy ways.
689
00:34:49,542 --> 00:34:53,209
And ultimately,
her story was not resolving
in a happy way.
690
00:34:54,876 --> 00:34:58,500
Gypsy:
I liked the Disney movie
"Tangled."
>>DISNEY'S TANGLED<<
691
00:34:59,792 --> 00:35:01,209
It's about Rapunzel.
692
00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:05,000
She's a princess
in this kingdom
693
00:35:05,083 --> 00:35:09,459
and she's kidnapped
by Mother Gothel
694
00:35:09,542 --> 00:35:10,876
from her real family.
695
00:35:12,334 --> 00:35:14,792
And Mother Gothel
keeps her
696
00:35:14,876 --> 00:35:17,542
in this tower
for all of her life
697
00:35:17,626 --> 00:35:20,000
and tells her,
"Don't leave this tower."
698
00:35:20,083 --> 00:35:23,792
And so,
that is all she knows.
699
00:35:23,876 --> 00:35:26,042
Woodmansee:
I think that Gypsy
just wanted her life
700
00:35:26,125 --> 00:35:29,083
to be like
any fairy tale princess
701
00:35:29,167 --> 00:35:32,334
and have
the perfect ending.
702
00:35:32,417 --> 00:35:35,417
You know,
all the bad villains
get what they deserve.
703
00:35:37,083 --> 00:35:40,083
Gypsy:
At the end,
Mother Gothel died.
704
00:35:40,167 --> 00:35:42,250
She got thrown
out a window,
705
00:35:42,334 --> 00:35:47,042
um, because Rapunzel
tried to stand up for herself
706
00:35:47,125 --> 00:35:49,000
and leave her tower.
707
00:35:49,083 --> 00:35:51,626
But in Disney movies,
everything's a fantasy.
708
00:35:51,709 --> 00:35:53,083
It's a fairy tale,
709
00:35:53,167 --> 00:35:55,667
and life is not
a fairy tale.
710
00:35:55,751 --> 00:35:58,375
I learned all that
the hard way.
711
00:36:01,167 --> 00:36:03,167
Stanfield:
I don't think calling
Gypsy's life sheltered
712
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:05,334
would do it justice.
713
00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:07,751
I've kind of come
to describe it
714
00:36:07,834 --> 00:36:09,918
as a fairy tale nightmare.
715
00:36:11,834 --> 00:36:15,542
Her mother controlled almost
every aspect of her life.
716
00:36:16,918 --> 00:36:19,000
Dr. Feldman:
The control was total
717
00:36:19,083 --> 00:36:22,709
in the same sense
that the control of
a kidnapped victim
718
00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:26,125
sometimes is total.
719
00:36:26,209 --> 00:36:28,709
Her daughter was,
in essence, a hostage,
720
00:36:28,792 --> 00:36:31,542
and I think we can
understand the crime
721
00:36:31,626 --> 00:36:33,459
that occurred
subsequently
722
00:36:33,542 --> 00:36:38,000
in terms of a hostage
trying to gain escape.
723
00:36:40,834 --> 00:36:42,709
Woodmansee:
Any time Gypsy and I
were together,
724
00:36:42,792 --> 00:36:45,334
her mom was always
present.
725
00:36:45,417 --> 00:36:47,918
She was immediately
like a filter for us,
you know.
726
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,083
Like, Gypsy wouldn't talk
about anything personal
727
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:52,500
while we were together.
728
00:36:52,584 --> 00:36:55,167
That's like, really,
the big red flag,
729
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:57,292
thinking back
on it all now.
730
00:36:58,751 --> 00:37:02,083
Dee Dee would always hold
Gypsy's hand, you know?
731
00:37:02,167 --> 00:37:04,834
It was like, I don't know--
it was almost like,
you know, just,
732
00:37:04,918 --> 00:37:07,042
"If I squeeze it,
you'll know what to say."
733
00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:09,250
I mean, that was
just so strange to me.
734
00:37:09,334 --> 00:37:11,959
Just to feel it now, I think
that was really strange.
735
00:37:12,042 --> 00:37:14,125
Even in videos I've seen
since then,
736
00:37:14,209 --> 00:37:15,667
I'm like, "Yep,
it's just the same thing."
737
00:37:15,751 --> 00:37:17,959
It's like
she's holding her hand.
738
00:37:21,209 --> 00:37:25,083
I mean, now I'm--
it was maybe a control thing.
739
00:37:25,167 --> 00:37:28,918
Dr. Feldman:
The hand-holding
and the tight hugs
740
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,834
is a way of asserting mastery
over another person
741
00:37:31,918 --> 00:37:34,542
and saying,
"You're not free.
742
00:37:34,626 --> 00:37:37,167
You are under my control
at all times,
743
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:39,876
even in relatively benign
situations
744
00:37:39,959 --> 00:37:41,751
like our being
photographed
745
00:37:41,834 --> 00:37:44,000
getting the Habitat
for Humanity home."
746
00:37:44,083 --> 00:37:46,959
You know,
those are innocuously
happy occasions,
747
00:37:47,042 --> 00:37:49,292
but they were also occasions
where Dee Dee
748
00:37:49,375 --> 00:37:52,667
reasserted her mastery
over Gypsy.
749
00:37:52,751 --> 00:37:54,334
My mom had cake...
750
00:37:54,417 --> 00:37:56,959
Gypsy:
If we were in
a group of friends,
751
00:37:57,042 --> 00:37:59,209
you know, if I said something
that I wasn't supposed to,
752
00:37:59,292 --> 00:38:02,584
she'd squeeze my hand,
and I'd know, "Zip it."
753
00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:08,959
I was just afraid,
just too afraid.
754
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,500
Dr. Feldman:
I have a strong feeling
755
00:38:13,584 --> 00:38:16,792
that the extent
of the control over her,
756
00:38:16,876 --> 00:38:19,209
heavily psychological
as it was,
757
00:38:19,292 --> 00:38:22,042
would've involved
physical punishment as well.
758
00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:24,083
She'd hit me
with a coat hanger...
759
00:38:25,792 --> 00:38:27,751
or her-- or her palm.
760
00:38:29,417 --> 00:38:31,375
And I'd have to take
so many slaps
761
00:38:31,459 --> 00:38:33,751
for-- depending on what,
762
00:38:33,834 --> 00:38:36,334
how severe it was,
I did.
763
00:38:36,417 --> 00:38:39,292
- Carr: Did you ever
try to hit back?
- Never.
764
00:38:39,375 --> 00:38:41,209
Never.
765
00:38:41,292 --> 00:38:43,000
It's like
if you have a baby
766
00:38:43,083 --> 00:38:44,500
and you, like,
get in its face
767
00:38:44,584 --> 00:38:47,209
and the baby starts to struggle
and get away from you.
768
00:38:47,292 --> 00:38:50,334
Now picture that happening
for your whole life, right?
769
00:38:50,417 --> 00:38:54,500
Your mother
is just in your face
and will not get away.
770
00:38:54,584 --> 00:38:58,250
That's basically what
Gypsy's whole life was like.
771
00:38:58,334 --> 00:38:59,876
It's snowing.
772
00:38:59,959 --> 00:39:02,083
I'm not joking.
>>DEE DEE AT HOME IN MISSOURI<<
773
00:39:02,167 --> 00:39:03,918
They said it's snowing,
774
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,584
so I'm staying
under my heating blankie.
775
00:39:07,667 --> 00:39:12,250
- ( Gypsy giggling )
- And I'm not getting out,
mm-mm.
776
00:39:13,459 --> 00:39:15,584
She wants to get out.
777
00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:17,918
Ain't gonna happen.
778
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,375
Let her doll
take care of her.
779
00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:22,250
Gypsy:
Oh!
780
00:39:30,959 --> 00:39:33,292
Her mother
was so suffocating,
781
00:39:33,375 --> 00:39:37,042
so powerful,
so manipulative
782
00:39:37,125 --> 00:39:41,125
that Gypsy may have felt
any efforts to escape
783
00:39:41,209 --> 00:39:42,584
were bound to fail.
784
00:39:43,918 --> 00:39:46,083
The first time
I ran away from home,
785
00:39:46,167 --> 00:39:48,250
I had met a friend.
786
00:39:48,334 --> 00:39:52,709
We both went to this sci-fi
fantasy convention
called Visioncon.
787
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,626
I told him vaguely
788
00:39:56,709 --> 00:39:59,167
about what was going on
at home.
789
00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:03,083
And he told me, you know,
"You just pack your stuff
790
00:40:03,167 --> 00:40:07,167
and you can come live with me
in Arkansas."
791
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:09,959
And I said, "Okay."
792
00:40:12,584 --> 00:40:15,959
I stepped out,
got a ride from a stranger,
793
00:40:16,042 --> 00:40:18,042
and went over
to his place.
794
00:40:18,125 --> 00:40:21,918
And then within,
like, four hours,
my mom found me at his place
795
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,417
because we had
mutual friends in common.
796
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,626
So she was threatening
to call the cops on him.
797
00:40:27,709 --> 00:40:29,459
And she took me back home
798
00:40:29,542 --> 00:40:31,876
and smashed my computer
with a hammer,
799
00:40:31,959 --> 00:40:33,709
smashed my cell phone
with a hammer and said,
800
00:40:33,792 --> 00:40:35,918
"If you ever try
to do that again,
801
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,209
I'm going
to smash your fingers
with a hammer."
802
00:40:39,334 --> 00:40:40,626
It was a rough year.
803
00:40:40,709 --> 00:40:42,876
I call that
"the bad times."
804
00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:48,000
She had taken
this dog leash
805
00:40:48,083 --> 00:40:50,709
and clipped it
to a pair of handcuffs,
806
00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:53,167
and clipped the handcuffs
to the bed
807
00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:57,542
and kept-- it was like that
for about two weeks.
808
00:40:57,626 --> 00:41:00,751
My mom had actually
convinced a lawyer
809
00:41:00,834 --> 00:41:04,417
to draw up some papers
saying that I was incompetent.
810
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:07,459
So I thought if I had tried
to go to the police,
811
00:41:07,542 --> 00:41:11,250
they'd look at these papers
and say, "She's retarded.
812
00:41:11,334 --> 00:41:14,042
She doesn't know
what she's talking about."
813
00:41:14,125 --> 00:41:15,751
Gypsy has
essentially fallen
814
00:41:15,834 --> 00:41:18,459
through every crack there is
in the system.
815
00:41:18,542 --> 00:41:20,209
The Greene County
sheriff's deputies
816
00:41:20,292 --> 00:41:23,167
came out to the house
on an anonymous report
817
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:25,959
that Gypsy was potentially
being abused.
818
00:41:26,042 --> 00:41:29,167
And they came to the house,
they spoke with Dee Dee,
819
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:33,167
and Dee Dee did exactly
what she does all the time--
820
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:35,584
she manipulated
the police officers,
821
00:41:35,667 --> 00:41:38,751
showed them a few things,
and they left.
822
00:41:38,834 --> 00:41:40,083
And at that point,
823
00:41:40,167 --> 00:41:43,918
Gypsy has absolutely
nowhere else to turn.
824
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,417
Literally
everyone failed her.
825
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:46,959
Literally.
826
00:41:47,042 --> 00:41:49,334
The doctors
who were positioned
827
00:41:49,417 --> 00:41:53,250
as there to help her
didn't help her.
828
00:41:53,334 --> 00:41:54,959
Her father,
829
00:41:55,042 --> 00:41:58,500
who I think was in
a very difficult position,
830
00:41:58,584 --> 00:41:59,918
couldn't help her.
831
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:04,292
How was she supposed
to think anybody could?
832
00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:06,125
I was just kind of at that point
where you're like,
833
00:42:06,209 --> 00:42:10,626
"I'm angry at the world
and this is unfair."
834
00:42:10,709 --> 00:42:15,375
Why couldn't
anybody figure this out
before it got this bad?
835
00:42:17,125 --> 00:42:18,876
( chatter )
836
00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:25,083
- Woman: Gypsy.
- Dee Dee: Over here, baby.
837
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:29,250
We all kind of did see
how Gypsy was being treated
by Dee Dee,
838
00:42:29,334 --> 00:42:33,250
not that it was like horrible,
beating the shit out of her
839
00:42:33,334 --> 00:42:35,626
in the back room
with a freaking cable,
you know?
840
00:42:35,709 --> 00:42:38,959
She would just-- she put her
in a wheelchair and told her,
841
00:42:39,042 --> 00:42:42,042
"Your leg's messed up.
You can't walk."
842
00:42:46,375 --> 00:42:49,250
Her sister told me once,
"Rod, you know,
843
00:42:49,334 --> 00:42:51,250
Gypsy can walk."
844
00:42:51,334 --> 00:42:53,042
And I asked Dee Dee
about it.
845
00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:56,584
She's like, "Yeah, well,
with her muscular dystrophy
846
00:42:56,667 --> 00:43:00,751
or with her disease,
her muscles hurt sometimes.
847
00:43:00,834 --> 00:43:03,751
So sometimes she can walk
when she's feeling okay,
848
00:43:03,834 --> 00:43:05,500
but it's progressive.
849
00:43:05,584 --> 00:43:07,292
It's going to get worse."
850
00:43:07,375 --> 00:43:11,167
And it wasn't long
after that that they were--
851
00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:13,751
they started moving
further and further away.
852
00:43:13,834 --> 00:43:16,667
And there was nobody there
to question--
853
00:43:16,751 --> 00:43:19,417
question that anymore,
you know?
854
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:23,667
After all of the doors
had been closed--
855
00:43:23,751 --> 00:43:26,500
family, friends,
the police--
856
00:43:26,584 --> 00:43:30,459
I think that Gypsy felt
she had no other--
857
00:43:30,542 --> 00:43:31,751
no other avenue.
858
00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:41,042
Gypsy:
I met Nick through
a Christian dating website.
859
00:43:41,125 --> 00:43:43,167
He was one of the profiles
that I had saw.
860
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:46,500
Thought he was cute,
so I checked him out,
sent him a wink.
861
00:43:46,584 --> 00:43:48,542
He sent me one back.
862
00:44:00,125 --> 00:44:03,542
Once you met on there,
what happened?
863
00:44:03,626 --> 00:44:06,375
We got closer on there,
864
00:44:06,459 --> 00:44:10,167
and we connected
more and more.
865
00:44:15,584 --> 00:44:17,667
Godejohn:
The way that we clicked,
866
00:44:17,751 --> 00:44:20,584
we somehow just knew
we were right for each other.
867
00:44:24,584 --> 00:44:28,584
Four days later, we started
a relationship together.
868
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,918
Dean:
Gypsy had no template
for romance
869
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,751
that wasn't
this sort of heightened
Prince Charming narrative.
870
00:44:48,542 --> 00:44:50,542
And Nick just happened
to be there.
871
00:44:51,959 --> 00:44:53,334
His background
equipped him
872
00:44:53,417 --> 00:44:55,042
with a bad narrative
in different ways.
873
00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:56,918
So, it was like
two bad narratives
874
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,459
collided with each other.
875
00:44:58,542 --> 00:45:01,334
What kind of person--
if somebody never met him,
876
00:45:01,417 --> 00:45:02,709
what kind of person
is Nick?
877
00:45:02,792 --> 00:45:05,876
He's pretty quiet,
kept to himself,
you know.
878
00:45:05,959 --> 00:45:09,209
We always tell him
he's got to get out
and mingle, you know.
879
00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:12,459
- Sure.
- But he's like, "I'm afraid
of getting backstabbed,
880
00:45:12,542 --> 00:45:15,334
because
everybody backstabs you,"
and all that stuff.
881
00:45:15,417 --> 00:45:18,292
He has autism,
you know, Asperger's.
882
00:45:18,375 --> 00:45:21,626
Has he been diagnosed
with autism and Asperger's?
883
00:45:21,709 --> 00:45:22,959
- Yes.
- Okay.
884
00:45:23,042 --> 00:45:24,709
Stephanie:
Last doctor he talked to,
885
00:45:24,792 --> 00:45:27,584
they said his mind is probably
always going to be 15, 16,
886
00:45:27,667 --> 00:45:29,417
right around there.
887
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:31,792
At first, it was all
lighthearted, you know.
888
00:45:31,876 --> 00:45:33,083
"If you got married,
889
00:45:33,167 --> 00:45:34,751
where would you like
to have your honeymoon?"
890
00:45:34,834 --> 00:45:36,792
You know,
"Where would you like
to get married?
891
00:45:36,876 --> 00:45:38,626
Where are all the places
you want to travel?"
892
00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:41,167
Different things like that,
normal stuff.
893
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:44,209
And as it progressed,
things got weird.
894
00:45:44,292 --> 00:45:46,250
( chuckles )
895
00:45:46,334 --> 00:45:49,709
He started talking about
something called BDSM.
896
00:46:04,292 --> 00:46:06,083
Gypsy:
And at first, I didn't
know what it was,
897
00:46:06,167 --> 00:46:08,000
so I looked it up.
898
00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:11,167
And once I looked it up,
I was like, "I don't want
to do this."
899
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:14,542
And then he kind of
just talked me into it
900
00:46:14,626 --> 00:46:17,626
and was like,
"It'll be fine,"
you know?
901
00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:19,292
"Try this with me."
902
00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:22,667
And so,
I agreed to it.
903
00:46:25,459 --> 00:46:29,125
I was taught
that a woman's role
is to be submissive
904
00:46:29,209 --> 00:46:30,876
and the man is dominant,
905
00:46:30,959 --> 00:46:33,500
so I didn't think
it was that outlandish.
906
00:46:36,334 --> 00:46:40,709
Then his ex
had messaged me.
907
00:46:40,792 --> 00:46:45,042
She told me, you know,
he's a really bad guy.
908
00:46:45,125 --> 00:46:47,250
He thinks he's a vampire
909
00:46:47,334 --> 00:46:50,959
and he's into all this
dominant/submissive stuff.
910
00:46:51,042 --> 00:46:53,042
And I was thinking,
it's just an ex.
911
00:46:53,125 --> 00:46:55,375
You know,
she's just badmouthing him.
912
00:46:55,459 --> 00:46:59,167
She doesn't know anything.
She's jealous, blah, blah, blah.
913
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:00,626
She was right.
914
00:47:00,709 --> 00:47:02,918
Godejohn also has
a criminal past.
915
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,626
In 2013 he was arrested
after investigators say
916
00:47:05,709 --> 00:47:08,417
he was watching pornography
and fondling himself
917
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:11,000
in a McDonald's restaurant
for nine hours,
918
00:47:11,083 --> 00:47:14,250
police finding a large knife
during the arrest.
919
00:47:14,334 --> 00:47:17,250
I really don't know
what's wrong with him,
920
00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:21,250
but, I mean, it's not like
I ever had a boyfriend before,
921
00:47:21,334 --> 00:47:25,375
so I really didn't know
what was a normal relationship.
922
00:47:25,459 --> 00:47:28,042
How don't know how much
she told you about me, but...
923
00:47:30,459 --> 00:47:32,083
Have you been diagnosed
with that?
924
00:47:32,167 --> 00:47:33,792
I probably should be
diagnosed with it
925
00:47:33,876 --> 00:47:35,584
because it--
it happens--
926
00:47:35,667 --> 00:47:38,292
the thing is,
I used to take
a medication.
927
00:47:38,375 --> 00:47:40,792
I used to hear
voices in my head.
Then it went away.
928
00:47:40,876 --> 00:47:43,459
And then somehow
it's a part of myself.
929
00:47:43,542 --> 00:47:46,125
Okay.
Does Gypsy know that?
930
00:47:46,209 --> 00:47:48,792
- Yes. She does know that.
- Okay.
931
00:47:48,876 --> 00:47:51,876
His multiple personalities
would come out,
932
00:47:51,959 --> 00:47:55,417
and he had talked to me
one day
933
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:57,834
and he was just like,
"You know, I would like
934
00:47:57,918 --> 00:48:01,292
my other personalities
to have a girlfriend."
935
00:48:01,375 --> 00:48:04,626
So I made up
some individual personalities
936
00:48:04,709 --> 00:48:07,667
to match
his other personalities.
937
00:48:19,292 --> 00:48:21,459
Godejohn:
One side of her is named Kitty.
938
00:48:21,542 --> 00:48:23,626
It's like a little girl
inside of her.
939
00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:28,792
We had another one
called Candy.
940
00:48:32,709 --> 00:48:35,000
She has an evil side
of herself as well.
941
00:48:35,083 --> 00:48:36,667
She used to call her Ruby.
942
00:48:38,792 --> 00:48:41,876
Gypsy: It was deaf,
dumb, blind love.
943
00:48:45,083 --> 00:48:47,375
And sometimes,
it's a big crazy love.
944
00:48:47,459 --> 00:48:51,042
Dean:
One of the most interesting
things about this case
945
00:48:51,125 --> 00:48:53,167
is that no matter
how much control
946
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:55,042
you have
over an individual,
947
00:48:55,125 --> 00:48:58,542
you can't stop
adolescent sexuality
from blossoming.
948
00:48:59,918 --> 00:49:02,125
Her whole life,
949
00:49:02,209 --> 00:49:05,459
this had been a subject
that was forbidden to her,
950
00:49:05,542 --> 00:49:07,751
and, ultimately,
951
00:49:07,834 --> 00:49:10,083
that turned into
a really destructive force.
952
00:49:17,209 --> 00:49:20,250
Gypsy:
Probably about a year
into our relationship,
953
00:49:20,334 --> 00:49:23,083
I just couldn't lie
to him anymore.
954
00:49:23,167 --> 00:49:26,667
And I just told him
everything.
955
00:49:26,751 --> 00:49:29,250
Why did nobody know
she could walk?
956
00:49:29,334 --> 00:49:32,459
Her mom wanted
everyone to think
957
00:49:32,542 --> 00:49:34,709
that she was, like,
16 the entire time.
958
00:49:34,792 --> 00:49:39,751
So, yeah, she felt kind of
trapped on a wheelchair
959
00:49:39,834 --> 00:49:42,375
when I actually was trying
to encourage her
960
00:49:42,459 --> 00:49:44,209
to be able to walk
more and more and more.
961
00:49:47,292 --> 00:49:50,667
Gypsy:
It really didn't come up,
like, "I want you to kill her."
962
00:49:52,167 --> 00:49:56,000
But he had said,
"I'll protect you from anybody."
963
00:49:56,083 --> 00:49:58,167
And I said, "Anybody?"
964
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,959
And he said, "Yeah."
965
00:50:00,042 --> 00:50:02,834
And I said,
"Even my mom?"
966
00:50:02,918 --> 00:50:04,417
And he said, "Yeah."
967
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,125
And that's where
it kind of developed
from there on.
968
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,250
We'd call it "plan B."
969
00:50:13,459 --> 00:50:15,375
But we always
pushed it back.
970
00:50:15,459 --> 00:50:17,083
You know,
it was just a thought.
971
00:50:17,167 --> 00:50:18,626
It was never reality.
972
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,292
We'll consider
other options.
973
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,542
We had planned a meeting
at a movie theater.
974
00:50:30,626 --> 00:50:32,876
I and my mom was going
to go see "Cinderella,"
975
00:50:32,959 --> 00:50:35,209
the live-action version
of "Cinderella,"
976
00:50:35,292 --> 00:50:39,500
and I was like,
"This is a perfect time
for us to meet.
977
00:50:39,584 --> 00:50:42,626
I'll buy your ticket, and you
come to the movie theater.
978
00:50:42,709 --> 00:50:46,209
We'll meet like we're just
meeting as new friends,
979
00:50:46,292 --> 00:50:49,334
and it's going
to be perfect."
980
00:50:49,417 --> 00:50:51,626
Godejohn:
She wanted to have sex
with me, so I did.
981
00:50:51,709 --> 00:50:53,375
Officer:
Okay, she wanted
to have sex with you?
982
00:50:53,459 --> 00:50:55,626
- Yes.
- Wow, did her mom know?
983
00:50:55,709 --> 00:50:58,125
( laughs )
Um, we kept it
from her mom.
984
00:50:58,209 --> 00:51:01,250
Okay.
Where did you have sex at
in the theater?
985
00:51:01,334 --> 00:51:02,626
- It was in the bathroom.
- Okay.
986
00:51:02,709 --> 00:51:04,626
In the girls' bathroom
or boys' bathroom?
987
00:51:04,709 --> 00:51:07,375
She just took me
in the boys' bathroom.
I didn't have any choice.
988
00:51:07,459 --> 00:51:09,792
We went right into
the boys' bathroom.
She was okay with it.
989
00:51:09,876 --> 00:51:11,584
Okay, okay.
990
00:51:11,667 --> 00:51:14,250
And then what happened
after you guys had sex
in the theater?
991
00:51:14,334 --> 00:51:18,876
We went to our movie
and watched it.
992
00:51:18,959 --> 00:51:21,918
They're all looking at you.
993
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,000
Believe me,
994
00:51:24,083 --> 00:51:26,083
they are all looking at you.
995
00:51:27,542 --> 00:51:29,542
I don't know
what it was,
but, apparently,
996
00:51:29,626 --> 00:51:31,834
the night got ruined
in some way.
997
00:51:31,918 --> 00:51:34,876
I couldn't--
I was trying to understand
998
00:51:34,959 --> 00:51:36,834
what was going on
with her mom.
999
00:51:36,918 --> 00:51:39,334
She despised him.
1000
00:51:39,417 --> 00:51:42,125
She was like,
"He's creepy.
He's weird.
1001
00:51:42,209 --> 00:51:45,167
He's coming
to see a kids' movie
alone by himself."
1002
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:48,083
And now looking back on it,
yeah, it is weird.
1003
00:51:48,167 --> 00:51:50,167
We were the only people
at the movies,
1004
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:52,959
and he didn't have
a kid with him
1005
00:51:53,042 --> 00:51:55,125
or a girlfriend
or nothing.
1006
00:51:55,209 --> 00:52:00,000
He's just this guy going to see
this chick movie.
1007
00:52:00,083 --> 00:52:01,626
Carr:
Couldn't you have said
that you have a friend
1008
00:52:01,709 --> 00:52:03,292
and you want
to introduce them?
1009
00:52:03,375 --> 00:52:06,209
I wouldn't have had no way
to meet him, you know?
1010
00:52:06,292 --> 00:52:09,709
I can't say
I met him online or...
1011
00:52:09,792 --> 00:52:11,918
She's-- she was
all the time with me,
1012
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,667
so there would be
no other time
to meet him.
1013
00:52:17,125 --> 00:52:22,375
Once all of those plans
seemed to fall apart,
1014
00:52:22,459 --> 00:52:24,292
I just got desperate.
1015
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,918
Gypsy:
He took a Greyhound bus.
1016
00:52:50,042 --> 00:52:52,375
I managed to scrape up
enough money
1017
00:52:52,459 --> 00:52:54,500
to pay for him a ticket.
1018
00:52:57,667 --> 00:53:00,792
And the next day,
we went to the grocery store,
1019
00:53:00,876 --> 00:53:03,292
came back home.
1020
00:53:03,375 --> 00:53:05,459
She went to sleep
very, very late,
1021
00:53:05,542 --> 00:53:08,000
and I was up texting Nick.
1022
00:53:27,417 --> 00:53:29,792
( voice breaking )
We painted each other's nails.
1023
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:35,209
And I acted like
everything was fine.
1024
00:53:39,459 --> 00:53:42,459
We had just recently
got into an argument,
1025
00:53:42,542 --> 00:53:45,125
and we had made up.
1026
00:53:45,209 --> 00:53:47,959
And I said I was going
to be a good girl.
1027
00:53:49,459 --> 00:53:52,751
And then she went to sleep
1028
00:53:52,834 --> 00:53:55,876
because I hurt her feelings
or something.
1029
00:53:55,959 --> 00:53:59,792
She said, "I'm starting
to feel more relaxed.
1030
00:53:59,876 --> 00:54:01,626
Don't hurt me."
1031
00:54:05,834 --> 00:54:09,042
The last words she said to me
was "don't hurt me."
1032
00:54:26,083 --> 00:54:28,375
I went into the bathroom.
1033
00:54:28,459 --> 00:54:31,667
I got kind of
in a fetal position
1034
00:54:31,751 --> 00:54:33,584
and I covered my ears.
1035
00:54:33,667 --> 00:54:37,626
And I heard my mom
wake up.
1036
00:54:39,042 --> 00:54:41,834
And then
she sounded startled.
1037
00:54:41,918 --> 00:54:46,959
And there was some noises
that I can't make out,
1038
00:54:47,042 --> 00:54:52,834
and I heard her say my name
a couple times.
1039
00:54:54,375 --> 00:54:59,083
And she said, "Help me."
1040
00:54:59,167 --> 00:55:00,876
And then there was
just silence.
1041
00:55:03,542 --> 00:55:05,000
Carr:
Did she scream?
1042
00:55:07,334 --> 00:55:08,626
Yeah.
1043
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:16,125
Dean:
This is about as clear
a premeditated murder
1044
00:55:16,209 --> 00:55:18,334
as I've ever seen.
1045
00:55:19,751 --> 00:55:22,500
It's brutal.
1046
00:55:22,584 --> 00:55:25,000
And I think it would be
very hard for anybody
1047
00:55:25,083 --> 00:55:28,584
to not have a moment
of being taken aback.
1048
00:55:28,667 --> 00:55:32,167
Did you have sex
with Dee Dee?
1049
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:34,834
- No.
- You didn't stick
your penis anywhere on her?
1050
00:55:34,918 --> 00:55:36,334
- Nope.
- Are you sure?
1051
00:55:36,417 --> 00:55:37,918
- Yep.
- Positive?
1052
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,751
- I'm 100% positive.
- Okay.
1053
00:55:39,834 --> 00:55:41,918
Did you stick your penis
in her mouth?
1054
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,334
- Nope.
- Okay.
1055
00:55:43,417 --> 00:55:45,626
Did your penis touch
anywhere on Dee Dee's body?
1056
00:55:45,709 --> 00:55:46,918
- Nope.
- Okay.
1057
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,918
Did your mouth touch
anywhere on Dee Dee's body?
1058
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,417
- My mouth? No.
- Okay.
1059
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:52,209
- You didn't
kiss her or...
- Nope.
1060
00:55:52,292 --> 00:55:54,584
- ...lick her
or anything like that?
- Nope.
1061
00:55:54,667 --> 00:55:56,959
Okay.
What do you think
about people
1062
00:55:57,042 --> 00:55:59,375
that have sex
with dead bodies?
1063
00:55:59,459 --> 00:56:02,000
I mean,
it's quite disturbing,
honestly.
1064
00:56:02,083 --> 00:56:04,292
Okay, that's--
that would bother you?
1065
00:56:04,375 --> 00:56:06,375
Yeah. I don't like
necrophilia.
1066
00:56:06,459 --> 00:56:08,918
Okay, because I think
one of the things
1067
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,626
that she might have said
was that you had mentioned
1068
00:56:11,709 --> 00:56:13,500
that you'd like
to rape her mom.
1069
00:56:13,584 --> 00:56:17,292
- Yeah, at one point,
I was thinking about it.
- Okay.
1070
00:56:17,375 --> 00:56:19,334
He had wanted
to rape my mother.
1071
00:56:19,417 --> 00:56:20,792
That's what he wanted to do.
1072
00:56:20,876 --> 00:56:22,459
He was like,
"I'm going to kill her,
1073
00:56:22,542 --> 00:56:25,584
but I'm going to do it my way,
and I'm going to rape her."
1074
00:56:25,667 --> 00:56:28,959
So what I did
was I made a deal with him.
1075
00:56:29,042 --> 00:56:34,000
I'd let him rape me,
and--
1076
00:56:34,083 --> 00:56:37,042
and then he wouldn't--
he wouldn't do that to my mom.
1077
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,250
- So you guys have sex.
- Yes.
1078
00:56:42,334 --> 00:56:46,000
And what kind of sex?
What is sex like to you?
1079
00:56:46,083 --> 00:56:50,292
Well, to me,
the kind of sex
that it was
1080
00:56:50,375 --> 00:56:54,334
was pretty much
kind of con-- consensual?
1081
00:56:54,417 --> 00:56:56,584
Is that the word
I'm looking for?
1082
00:56:56,667 --> 00:56:59,792
Officer:
Like, are you biting her?
Are you punching her?
1083
00:56:59,876 --> 00:57:02,584
Godejohn:
No, no, I would never
lay my hands on her.
1084
00:57:02,667 --> 00:57:05,000
I didn't even bite her
at all, actually.
1085
00:57:05,083 --> 00:57:08,083
Not for a long time,
that is.
1086
00:57:08,167 --> 00:57:10,959
The very first time,
she whispered in my ear
1087
00:57:11,042 --> 00:57:13,459
that that was a turn-on
of hers is biting.
1088
00:57:13,542 --> 00:57:14,709
- I bit her twice.
- Okay.
1089
00:57:14,792 --> 00:57:16,334
The first time
I can't remember.
1090
00:57:16,417 --> 00:57:19,626
The second time I remember,
because I bit her
a lot harder.
1091
00:57:19,709 --> 00:57:21,834
However, she seemed
to still enjoy it
1092
00:57:21,918 --> 00:57:24,042
even though
it was really hard.
1093
00:57:24,125 --> 00:57:27,584
Gypsy:
Technically,
once we got to that point,
1094
00:57:27,667 --> 00:57:30,709
I screamed for him to stop,
and he didn't.
1095
00:57:30,792 --> 00:57:34,751
So I don't consider it
to be consensual.
1096
00:57:39,292 --> 00:57:40,792
Okay, all right.
1097
00:57:40,876 --> 00:57:43,209
Is there a reason
you didn't feel pleasure?
1098
00:57:43,292 --> 00:57:46,834
I don't know.
It's really hard to say.
1099
00:57:46,918 --> 00:57:49,542
I did make her have
an orgasm once.
1100
00:57:49,626 --> 00:57:54,000
- Okay.
- And then after that, I--
she might've blew me a bit.
1101
00:57:54,083 --> 00:57:57,209
And then after that,
I think we stopped
because we realized
1102
00:57:57,292 --> 00:57:58,876
there was a lot of packing
and stuff to do.
1103
00:57:58,959 --> 00:58:01,000
Okay, so you guys get
everything packed.
1104
00:58:01,083 --> 00:58:02,709
She wipes down
the fingerprints.
1105
00:58:02,792 --> 00:58:04,167
And then
what do you guys do?
1106
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:08,959
We get in a taxi
and we get to the hotel.
1107
00:58:09,042 --> 00:58:11,083
- ( Gypsy giggling )
- ( Godejohn grunts )
1108
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:14,417
( moans )
1109
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:15,834
Hi, honey.
1110
00:58:15,918 --> 00:58:18,834
( both laugh )
1111
00:58:18,918 --> 00:58:20,417
I'm filming.
1112
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:22,584
( laughing )
1113
00:58:28,667 --> 00:58:30,709
( vocalizing )
1114
00:58:34,334 --> 00:58:36,584
He's eating a brownie!
1115
00:58:36,667 --> 00:58:38,542
( muffled speaking )
1116
00:58:38,626 --> 00:58:41,292
Gypsy:
But later,
he will be eating me!
1117
00:58:41,375 --> 00:58:44,375
( laughs )
1118
00:58:44,459 --> 00:58:47,250
I loved Nick very much
at that time,
1119
00:58:47,334 --> 00:58:50,292
and being with him
felt exciting
1120
00:58:50,375 --> 00:58:53,500
because I was with
someone I loved
1121
00:58:53,584 --> 00:58:55,751
and someone I thought
cared for me.
1122
00:59:00,292 --> 00:59:03,334
We took a Greyhound bus
back to Wisconsin.
1123
00:59:06,334 --> 00:59:10,167
My mind wasn't thinking back
to what was at my house.
1124
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:12,417
I just kept thinking,
"I'm free, I'm free,"
1125
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:16,334
and that excitement
of being free and walking.
1126
00:59:17,876 --> 00:59:20,751
I always reference myself
to this little bluebird
1127
00:59:20,834 --> 00:59:23,292
that was trapped
in an invisible cage,
1128
00:59:23,375 --> 00:59:27,751
and I felt like
this bluebird was set free.
1129
00:59:27,834 --> 00:59:29,459
Did you guys talk
about your future?
1130
00:59:29,542 --> 00:59:31,542
What was your plans
for your future?
1131
00:59:31,626 --> 00:59:35,417
We wanted to have
a family together,
1132
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:39,125
and we wanted to build
a life together and stuff.
1133
00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:41,876
We thought we really had
a chance to do it,
1134
00:59:41,959 --> 00:59:43,751
so we were happy
about that.
1135
01:00:02,626 --> 01:00:05,542
Does your mom and stepdad
know what you did?
1136
01:00:05,626 --> 01:00:07,125
No, they don't.
1137
01:00:07,209 --> 01:00:09,542
And this is the first time
they ever met Gypsy?
1138
01:00:09,626 --> 01:00:10,959
Yeah.
In person, yes.
1139
01:00:11,042 --> 01:00:13,876
Okay, and they agreed
to let her live there?
1140
01:00:13,959 --> 01:00:15,292
- Yep.
- Okay.
1141
01:00:17,709 --> 01:00:20,292
Officer:
What did you do think
about Gypsy?
1142
01:00:20,375 --> 01:00:24,834
You know, it was weird
because when I picked them up
1143
01:00:24,918 --> 01:00:27,459
from the bus station,
I even asked her,
1144
01:00:27,542 --> 01:00:29,167
"How's your mom doing?
How is your..."
1145
01:00:29,250 --> 01:00:31,834
'Cause I was told she was
in a homeless shelter.
1146
01:00:31,918 --> 01:00:33,000
Her mom kicked her out.
1147
01:00:33,083 --> 01:00:34,542
So I asked her
how her mom was doing.
1148
01:00:34,626 --> 01:00:36,667
This might have been
the first thing I asked her.
1149
01:00:36,751 --> 01:00:39,584
No big deal,
They acted like nothing.
1150
01:00:39,667 --> 01:00:40,959
What was your impression?
1151
01:00:41,042 --> 01:00:43,125
Did you feel like
there was anything wrong?
1152
01:00:43,209 --> 01:00:45,292
- Did you feel like
everything was good?
- Everything seemed normal.
1153
01:00:45,375 --> 01:00:47,751
The only thing
that freaked me out
is she was wearing a wig.
1154
01:00:47,834 --> 01:00:49,375
Okay.
1155
01:00:49,459 --> 01:00:51,500
Hancock:
Did you remember
getting in the mail
1156
01:00:51,584 --> 01:00:55,542
an envelope or anything
addressed to Nick or Gypsy
or anything like that?
1157
01:00:55,626 --> 01:01:01,417
There was one
that just came in--
hmm-- Saturday?
1158
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:03,792
I have no idea
what was in it.
1159
01:01:03,876 --> 01:01:05,792
Hancock:
That was my next question.
1160
01:01:05,876 --> 01:01:08,667
- Charles: I don't
go through mail.
- Okay.
1161
01:01:08,751 --> 01:01:11,834
Charles:
Maybe I should have.
1162
01:01:11,918 --> 01:01:14,083
- That was the night that
he had stabbed her to death.
- What?
1163
01:01:14,167 --> 01:01:17,083
They mailed it
from their house there
to your house.
1164
01:01:17,167 --> 01:01:18,918
- Are you serious?
- Yes, ma'am.
1165
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,125
- Oh, my God.
- And that was located
in your house.
1166
01:01:22,209 --> 01:01:24,083
Stephanie:
My God.
1167
01:01:24,167 --> 01:01:26,417
Officer:
I think there was a little--
1168
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:30,417
around $4,000-5,000
of cash
1169
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:32,751
that they had stolen
from her mom.
1170
01:01:32,834 --> 01:01:35,209
Stephanie:
My God.
1171
01:01:35,292 --> 01:01:36,709
Did you see
the Facebook post
where it says--
1172
01:01:36,792 --> 01:01:38,334
- No.
- Okay, that's right.
1173
01:01:38,417 --> 01:01:41,709
On Dee
and Gypsy's Facebook post
that they share,
1174
01:01:41,792 --> 01:01:43,751
there are some
horrible messages
1175
01:01:43,834 --> 01:01:45,792
that were posted on there
that said, like--
1176
01:01:45,876 --> 01:01:47,876
I believe, like,
they slashed her--
1177
01:01:47,959 --> 01:01:49,542
like, "I slashed her.
I killed her.
1178
01:01:49,626 --> 01:01:51,709
And then I raped the girl,
and the girl's dead, too."
1179
01:01:51,792 --> 01:01:55,334
Well, those all were
actually posted by Gypsy.
1180
01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:00,167
Dr. Feldman:
Startlingly with Gypsy,
1181
01:02:00,250 --> 01:02:03,584
who went online
to announce, you know,
1182
01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:07,959
"That bitch is dead,"
and to go even further
1183
01:02:08,042 --> 01:02:12,500
and describe a scenario
where she was raped
1184
01:02:12,584 --> 01:02:14,459
is just perverse.
1185
01:02:14,542 --> 01:02:17,459
It implies a fair degree
of sociopathy.
1186
01:02:17,542 --> 01:02:20,918
Just the way
the girl acted--
1187
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,792
I mean, how can you
do something to your mother
1188
01:02:23,876 --> 01:02:26,042
and lose your mother,
and just act like that?
1189
01:02:26,125 --> 01:02:30,417
I was like--
I'm just trying to wrap
my head around it.
1190
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:32,417
I mean, they acted
like two normal people.
1191
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:35,417
- Yeah.
- That's what's
really freaky.
1192
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:38,000
Yeah.
1193
01:02:38,083 --> 01:02:39,751
How can you do that?
1194
01:02:41,584 --> 01:02:43,834
Bobby:
Gypsy might have been
the mastermind herself.
1195
01:02:43,918 --> 01:02:45,709
I think it's most anybody's
instinct to,
1196
01:02:45,792 --> 01:02:48,709
"Oh, shit, you murdered
your mother," you know?
1197
01:02:48,792 --> 01:02:51,751
Watch that girl.
( laughs )
1198
01:02:51,834 --> 01:02:54,375
Don't turn your back.
You she might stab you.
1199
01:02:57,584 --> 01:03:01,083
Dean:
I do think Gypsy
is potentially dangerous.
1200
01:03:02,375 --> 01:03:04,584
Dee Dee
was a master manipulator,
1201
01:03:04,667 --> 01:03:07,042
and it's impossible
that Gypsy would not
1202
01:03:07,125 --> 01:03:09,292
have picked this up
and used it.
1203
01:03:13,709 --> 01:03:15,292
- Yeah.
- You know?
1204
01:03:16,918 --> 01:03:19,459
I know. I mean,
that's the way
it works, though,
1205
01:03:19,542 --> 01:03:20,918
when you have what he has.
1206
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,542
Your mind focuses on one thing.
Do you know what I mean?
1207
01:03:23,626 --> 01:03:25,083
Yes, ma'am.
1208
01:03:25,167 --> 01:03:28,000
Do you think that
if Gypsy hadn't asked
you to kill her mom,
1209
01:03:28,083 --> 01:03:29,375
you'd have ever
killed her mom?
1210
01:03:29,459 --> 01:03:30,709
I know I wouldn't
have done it.
1211
01:03:30,792 --> 01:03:32,709
Okay. You just did it
because you loved Gypsy
1212
01:03:32,792 --> 01:03:34,083
and Gypsy asked you
to do it.
1213
01:03:34,167 --> 01:03:35,375
Is that what I'm thinking?
1214
01:03:35,459 --> 01:03:36,709
- Yes.
- Okay.
1215
01:03:36,792 --> 01:03:40,584
For him to ruin his life
over that,
1216
01:03:40,667 --> 01:03:43,751
I'm sorry,
but she's a beast.
1217
01:03:43,834 --> 01:03:45,667
Yeah.
1218
01:03:45,751 --> 01:03:49,125
She now doesn't have
a language
1219
01:03:49,209 --> 01:03:52,584
beyond manipulation
and retaliation.
1220
01:03:52,667 --> 01:03:55,709
I mean, is she taking
any sort of--
1221
01:03:55,792 --> 01:03:59,083
you know, is she like,
"Well, okay, it was me, too,"
1222
01:03:59,167 --> 01:04:00,751
or is she to trying
to put it all on Nick?
1223
01:04:00,834 --> 01:04:02,167
She...
1224
01:04:03,792 --> 01:04:06,125
takes some responsibility,
1225
01:04:06,209 --> 01:04:09,459
but not much.
1226
01:04:09,542 --> 01:04:11,125
Not much at all.
1227
01:04:11,209 --> 01:04:13,667
- Did you kill your mom?
- No. No, sir.
1228
01:04:13,751 --> 01:04:15,334
- Did you help?
- No, sir.
1229
01:04:15,417 --> 01:04:18,709
- No one else
killed your mom?
- No, sir.
1230
01:04:18,792 --> 01:04:20,709
( softly )
No, sir.
1231
01:04:20,792 --> 01:04:22,500
Did you have knowledge
that Nicholas
1232
01:04:22,584 --> 01:04:25,083
was going to kill your mom
before he did it?
1233
01:04:25,167 --> 01:04:26,209
No, sir.
1234
01:04:29,292 --> 01:04:30,876
Okay. Sit tight
for me, okay?
1235
01:04:30,959 --> 01:04:32,417
- It's okay.
- ( sniffles )
1236
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:37,167
( crying )
1237
01:04:42,417 --> 01:04:44,000
( sniffles )
1238
01:04:47,542 --> 01:04:49,834
I wonder if people
feel that Gypsy
1239
01:04:49,918 --> 01:04:52,000
is telling them
the truth now.
1240
01:04:55,209 --> 01:04:57,709
Female voice:
Hello, you have
a call from...
1241
01:04:57,792 --> 01:05:00,417
Gypsy:
Gypsy Rose.
1242
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:04,959
She was still in Wisconsin
when she called me.
1243
01:05:05,042 --> 01:05:07,083
Kristy on phone:
Hey, my sweetie.
1244
01:05:07,167 --> 01:05:10,083
Gypsy:
Hi! Is this Kristy?
1245
01:05:10,167 --> 01:05:11,709
Kristy:
Yes, baby.
1246
01:05:11,792 --> 01:05:13,375
Gypsy:
Hi! Oh, my God.
1247
01:05:13,459 --> 01:05:15,751
It's so good
to hear your voice.
1248
01:05:15,834 --> 01:05:21,125
At that time,
she still wasn't trusting,
really, anyone.
1249
01:05:21,209 --> 01:05:27,000
She was still
not telling Mike everything.
1250
01:05:27,083 --> 01:05:28,751
Gypsy:
I'm innocent.
1251
01:05:28,834 --> 01:05:31,667
It's a complicated
situation,
1252
01:05:31,751 --> 01:05:36,167
but what they say
on the news is not true.
1253
01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:38,792
Then we went
in the courtroom,
1254
01:05:38,876 --> 01:05:42,876
and that's when they showed
all the text messaging.
1255
01:05:42,959 --> 01:05:45,626
And when they said
they were presenting that,
1256
01:05:45,709 --> 01:05:48,584
she turned around
and looked at us
1257
01:05:48,667 --> 01:05:51,375
with fear in her eyes.
1258
01:05:51,459 --> 01:05:54,626
I guess she didn't think
that they were going to pull
1259
01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:56,709
all of those messages up.
1260
01:05:57,918 --> 01:06:00,000
Carr:
1261
01:06:00,083 --> 01:06:02,167
Yeah, I did.
1262
01:06:13,876 --> 01:06:15,209
They didn't get caught
red-handed,
1263
01:06:15,292 --> 01:06:17,042
but they got caught
red-handed.
1264
01:06:17,125 --> 01:06:18,626
You know, they have
a lot of evidence.
1265
01:06:18,709 --> 01:06:23,000
They have the murder weapon,
texts, videos.
1266
01:06:23,083 --> 01:06:27,125
I mean, no doubt they did it
or planned it and everything,
1267
01:06:27,209 --> 01:06:31,167
so it was just a matter
of why they did it,
1268
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:33,626
you know,
and is that reasonable?
1269
01:06:35,083 --> 01:06:36,834
Carr:
Are you happy
that your mom
1270
01:06:36,918 --> 01:06:39,167
is not here
to abuse you anymore?
1271
01:06:40,918 --> 01:06:42,542
Yeah.
( sniffles )
1272
01:06:42,626 --> 01:06:46,626
But at the same time,
I'm not happy that she's dead.
1273
01:06:46,709 --> 01:06:48,292
You know,
I didn't want that.
1274
01:06:48,375 --> 01:06:52,083
I know it sounds strange
to plan something
1275
01:06:52,167 --> 01:06:54,584
and go through the steps
to make it happen,
1276
01:06:54,667 --> 01:06:58,375
and then--
but at the same time
not want it to happen.
1277
01:07:00,334 --> 01:07:02,667
One of the problems
with the legal system
1278
01:07:02,751 --> 01:07:04,918
is that it demands that people
have this one intention
1279
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,042
and this one moment in time
and be certain about it,
1280
01:07:08,125 --> 01:07:10,000
and I'm not sure that
that really happens.
1281
01:07:10,083 --> 01:07:13,417
And especially in this case,
I'm not sure that it happens.
1282
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:16,709
It's possible that Gypsy had
ultimately ambivalent feelings
1283
01:07:16,792 --> 01:07:19,250
about killing her mother.
1284
01:07:19,334 --> 01:07:21,000
I wonder what she was thinking
in the other room
1285
01:07:21,083 --> 01:07:23,292
listening to her mother
screaming sometimes.
1286
01:07:23,375 --> 01:07:26,083
I didn't think anything.
1287
01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:28,209
( sniffles )
I was scared.
1288
01:07:28,292 --> 01:07:31,083
I was shaking.
1289
01:07:31,167 --> 01:07:34,000
I just-- I didn't have
a thought in my brain.
1290
01:07:36,959 --> 01:07:39,209
It was like it was all
not real.
1291
01:07:41,709 --> 01:07:45,125
I was on a bunch of medications,
and I know that's no excuse,
1292
01:07:45,209 --> 01:07:49,083
but on Xanax, I felt
like I had no emotion
1293
01:07:49,167 --> 01:07:51,125
and I wasn't thinking right.
1294
01:07:53,459 --> 01:07:57,250
Munchausen by proxy victims
can lose contact
1295
01:07:57,334 --> 01:07:59,000
with reality at times,
1296
01:07:59,083 --> 01:08:01,792
and that may be
part of the defense
1297
01:08:01,876 --> 01:08:04,167
in Gypsy's case.
1298
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:06,751
She may have trouble
distinguishing
1299
01:08:06,834 --> 01:08:08,417
what's real
and what isn't.
1300
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:11,000
Is sickness real
or is it fake?
1301
01:08:11,083 --> 01:08:15,500
Is death real,
or is it exaggerated
or fake?
1302
01:08:15,584 --> 01:08:19,459
So, I think
she had limited capacity
for reality testing,
1303
01:08:19,542 --> 01:08:21,834
which just means
seeing what's normal behavior
1304
01:08:21,918 --> 01:08:24,250
and what's really strange
behavior.
1305
01:08:26,876 --> 01:08:31,792
Stanfield:
Gypsy grew up in essentially
an alternate reality
1306
01:08:31,876 --> 01:08:34,667
to what
the rest of us live.
1307
01:08:34,751 --> 01:08:38,667
By her mother isolating her
from the outside world,
1308
01:08:38,751 --> 01:08:43,125
she doesn't know or understand
what normal really is.
1309
01:08:43,209 --> 01:08:44,792
Hi.
1310
01:08:44,876 --> 01:08:46,250
Gypsy:
In so many ways,
1311
01:08:46,334 --> 01:08:50,334
I don't know what's right,
what's wrong,
1312
01:08:50,417 --> 01:08:55,083
but to say that,
yes, I did this.
1313
01:08:55,167 --> 01:08:56,792
I'm sorry for it.
1314
01:08:56,876 --> 01:08:58,918
I feel bad for it.
1315
01:09:00,751 --> 01:09:02,751
It just feels good
to be honest.
1316
01:09:17,542 --> 01:09:19,626
Gypsy:
The only thing that
I could've done differently
1317
01:09:19,709 --> 01:09:22,542
that I know better now
is reach out to my dad,
1318
01:09:22,626 --> 01:09:24,375
told my dad.
1319
01:09:24,459 --> 01:09:26,834
And he could have came
and got me,
1320
01:09:26,918 --> 01:09:28,459
and I would've went
and lived with him.
1321
01:09:35,542 --> 01:09:36,834
Rod:
There's a McDonald's
right here
1322
01:09:36,918 --> 01:09:38,667
where I'd visit with Gypsy.
1323
01:09:40,042 --> 01:09:43,125
At that time,
she was real young.
1324
01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:44,667
I remember one visit...
1325
01:09:46,083 --> 01:09:47,500
she was so scared
of me, man.
1326
01:09:47,584 --> 01:09:48,876
She was shaking.
1327
01:09:48,959 --> 01:09:52,125
I don't know what Dee Dee
told her about me,
1328
01:09:52,209 --> 01:09:55,626
but I probably
was the big bad wolf
or something, you know?
1329
01:09:55,709 --> 01:10:00,500
Gypsy must have been
so confused, you know?
1330
01:10:00,584 --> 01:10:02,083
She was probably telling her
the day before
1331
01:10:02,167 --> 01:10:05,042
that, you know,
I don't love her
and all this stuff,
1332
01:10:05,125 --> 01:10:09,709
and then here she is
visiting with me
and telling her,
1333
01:10:09,792 --> 01:10:12,834
"Look, that's your daddy.
Give him a hug," you know?
1334
01:10:15,042 --> 01:10:18,167
That's old history now,
so we're just going
to try to build
1335
01:10:18,250 --> 01:10:21,334
a real father-daughter
intimate relationship,
1336
01:10:21,417 --> 01:10:23,209
you know,
like we should have.
1337
01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:26,083
( dogs barking )
1338
01:10:27,334 --> 01:10:29,792
It's hard.
1339
01:10:29,876 --> 01:10:32,500
Thinking what
she had to go through
1340
01:10:32,584 --> 01:10:34,792
and that she didn't have
to go through all that.
1341
01:10:34,876 --> 01:10:38,459
- Woman: See this?
- Look at that.
( laughs )
1342
01:10:38,542 --> 01:10:41,626
She would probably have been
a perfectly fine kid
1343
01:10:41,709 --> 01:10:44,542
had it not been her mom
was Dee Dee.
1344
01:10:45,918 --> 01:10:47,751
Okay, y'all want to get
the table ready or what?
1345
01:10:47,834 --> 01:10:49,709
- Women: Yes.
- We're going to eat
off the trays?
1346
01:10:49,792 --> 01:10:51,417
Claude:
She could've had
a normal life.
1347
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:56,209
I hope she gets out,
and I don't know what--
1348
01:10:56,292 --> 01:10:59,000
what she's going to do
when she gets out.
1349
01:10:59,083 --> 01:11:01,083
She was punished enough
1350
01:11:01,167 --> 01:11:04,083
to where they should
let her go free.
1351
01:11:04,167 --> 01:11:05,542
That's the way I feel.
1352
01:11:05,626 --> 01:11:08,417
'Cause that child's--
she's been through a lot.
1353
01:11:09,667 --> 01:11:11,292
Kristy:
Look at her.
1354
01:11:11,375 --> 01:11:14,667
- Woman: Is that Gypsy?
- Yeah, when she was normal.
1355
01:11:19,876 --> 01:11:24,250
I blame myself now
for not doing more.
1356
01:11:24,334 --> 01:11:26,042
I mean,
it is what it is.
1357
01:11:26,125 --> 01:11:29,083
I'm not a "blame yourself"
type of guy,
1358
01:11:29,167 --> 01:11:32,083
but who else is there
to look at, you know?
1359
01:12:09,167 --> 01:12:10,751
Okay.
1360
01:12:10,834 --> 01:12:13,000
This is-- sorry.
1361
01:12:13,083 --> 01:12:16,667
I didn't realize
they were going to bring
you out immediately.
1362
01:12:16,751 --> 01:12:19,542
This is the new charge--
class-A felony
1363
01:12:19,626 --> 01:12:21,292
of murder
in the second degree,
1364
01:12:21,375 --> 01:12:23,000
and then acting
in concert with another
1365
01:12:23,083 --> 01:12:25,542
who knowingly
caused the death
of your mother
1366
01:12:25,626 --> 01:12:28,459
by stabbing her,
okay?
1367
01:12:28,542 --> 01:12:30,375
( pen scribbling )
1368
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,584
This is in the case
of State of Missouri
1369
01:12:39,667 --> 01:12:41,792
v. Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
1370
01:12:41,876 --> 01:12:43,250
Please raise
your right hand.
1371
01:12:43,334 --> 01:12:45,000
Do you swear and affirm
that the testimony
1372
01:12:45,083 --> 01:12:46,626
you're about to give
will be the truth,
1373
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:48,626
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?
1374
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:50,209
Yes, sir.
1375
01:12:50,292 --> 01:12:52,042
Would you state your name
for the record, please?
1376
01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:54,584
- Gypsy Blanchard.
- And how old are you?
1377
01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:57,709
I'm going to be
25 years old, but 24.
1378
01:12:57,792 --> 01:13:00,792
Okay. And how far
did you go in school?
1379
01:13:00,876 --> 01:13:03,667
About the second grade.
1380
01:13:03,751 --> 01:13:05,792
How do you plead
to the class-A felony
1381
01:13:05,876 --> 01:13:07,500
of murder
in the second degree?
1382
01:13:07,584 --> 01:13:10,083
- Guilty.
- The court finds
that there is
1383
01:13:10,167 --> 01:13:12,500
a factual basis
for a plea of guilty.
1384
01:13:12,584 --> 01:13:14,792
The court accepts
defendant's plea of guilty
1385
01:13:14,876 --> 01:13:17,918
and finds the defendant
guilty thereof beyond
a reasonable doubt.
1386
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,959
She's to be sentenced
to 10 years
1387
01:13:20,042 --> 01:13:22,250
in the Missouri
Department of Corrections.
1388
01:13:22,334 --> 01:13:24,751
She'll have to do
85% of her sentence
1389
01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:29,083
before she's eligible
for parole.
1390
01:13:29,167 --> 01:13:30,459
Let's go off the record.
1391
01:13:39,042 --> 01:13:41,500
There you are.
1392
01:13:41,584 --> 01:13:47,042
Patterson:
This case is unusual
and extraordinary.
1393
01:13:47,125 --> 01:13:50,167
Gypsy Blanchard endured
nearly two decades
1394
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:54,375
of systematic,
purposeful abuse
1395
01:13:54,459 --> 01:13:57,918
at the hands of her mother
for the purpose of fraud.
1396
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,459
And so, by amending to murder
in the second degree,
1397
01:14:00,542 --> 01:14:04,542
we were able to both hold
Gypsy Blanchard accountable
for the murder,
1398
01:14:04,626 --> 01:14:07,626
which was not justified
nor excusable,
1399
01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:11,584
but yet account for
those mitigating circumstances.
1400
01:14:11,667 --> 01:14:15,125
All of us involved are--
it's a relief.
1401
01:14:15,209 --> 01:14:17,000
You know,
at the very beginning of this,
1402
01:14:17,083 --> 01:14:20,709
there was the question
of the death penalty
on the table.
1403
01:14:20,792 --> 01:14:24,000
Ultimately,
it's the best outcome for her.
1404
01:14:24,083 --> 01:14:26,083
It's the best outcome
for the State of Missouri
1405
01:14:26,167 --> 01:14:30,417
and ultimately the right thing
to do for everybody.
1406
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:32,125
That one's in this pocket.
1407
01:14:32,209 --> 01:14:34,167
Ooh.
1408
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:36,083
I mean, it's a murder.
1409
01:14:36,167 --> 01:14:37,542
There's nothing
we can do about that,
1410
01:14:37,626 --> 01:14:40,751
so, you know,
that has to be dealt with.
1411
01:14:40,834 --> 01:14:45,334
But ultimately,
when you look at the fact
1412
01:14:45,417 --> 01:14:47,667
that at the end
of that 8 1/2 years,
1413
01:14:47,751 --> 01:14:50,626
when she's already done
a year of that,
1414
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:52,334
she'll be 32 years old.
1415
01:14:52,417 --> 01:14:54,542
She'll be three years younger
than I am right now.
1416
01:14:54,626 --> 01:14:57,334
So, I mean,
she will actually be able
1417
01:14:57,417 --> 01:15:01,292
to enjoy just the world.
1418
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,500
Carr:
Do you think 10 years
in jail is better
1419
01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:08,709
than 10 years of living
the way that you had to live?
1420
01:15:08,792 --> 01:15:11,918
Yes, it is.
1421
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,918
I need to start over
like I'm newly born.
1422
01:15:34,459 --> 01:15:35,918
- Honey?
- Yeah.
1423
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,167
- Green?
- Yeah.
1424
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:39,417
White or green?
1425
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,209
No, no, no, no, no.
1426
01:15:41,292 --> 01:15:42,542
It's my favorite hat.
1427
01:15:42,626 --> 01:15:44,042
No, other hat.
1428
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,083
Kristy:
I'm holding on
to that girl.
1429
01:15:51,167 --> 01:15:53,375
You know, it's going to be
very emotional.
1430
01:15:53,459 --> 01:15:55,292
Yeah,
you're a big crybaby.
1431
01:15:55,375 --> 01:15:56,459
You're probably
gonna cry, too.
1432
01:15:56,542 --> 01:15:57,876
And then
when you're gonna cry,
1433
01:15:57,959 --> 01:15:59,751
I'm going to cry
1434
01:15:59,834 --> 01:16:01,334
because you're crying,
1435
01:16:01,417 --> 01:16:03,709
because it's hard
to see grown men cry.
1436
01:16:06,876 --> 01:16:08,292
I don't cry.
1437
01:16:08,375 --> 01:16:09,417
Bullshit.
1438
01:16:11,834 --> 01:16:13,250
You cry.
1439
01:16:26,584 --> 01:16:29,042
- Hello.
- Daddy.
1440
01:16:29,125 --> 01:16:31,500
- Oh...
- ( crying )
1441
01:16:35,042 --> 01:16:36,584
I've missed you.
1442
01:16:42,626 --> 01:16:44,667
- You're so big.
- I know!
1443
01:16:44,751 --> 01:16:46,709
I'm almost
as tall as you.
1444
01:16:52,334 --> 01:16:54,334
So how's everything going
with you health-wise?
1445
01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:56,167
- You good? You feel good?
- It's going good, yeah.
1446
01:16:56,250 --> 01:16:57,626
You've been exercising
and everything?
1447
01:16:57,709 --> 01:17:00,375
I've been
going to the rec yard,
been exercising.
1448
01:17:00,459 --> 01:17:02,334
That's good.
1449
01:17:02,417 --> 01:17:04,334
My tube site
is finally all healed.
1450
01:17:04,417 --> 01:17:05,709
It's gone?
That's good.
1451
01:17:05,792 --> 01:17:07,667
Looks great.
Looks good.
1452
01:17:07,751 --> 01:17:10,334
All healed up, so...
1453
01:17:10,417 --> 01:17:12,209
Every once in a while,
I get a little pain,
1454
01:17:12,292 --> 01:17:14,834
but I think it's just
phantom pain or something.
1455
01:17:14,918 --> 01:17:16,000
Yeah.
1456
01:17:17,125 --> 01:17:19,000
So, are you glad
that it's--
1457
01:17:19,083 --> 01:17:20,459
I'm happy
that it's over.
1458
01:17:20,542 --> 01:17:25,375
Yeah. We was-- honestly,
we was hoping for less.
1459
01:17:25,459 --> 01:17:28,918
I mean, I know
it was your decision
and everything.
1460
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,626
- That's a gamble you take.
I mean--
- Yeah.
1461
01:17:31,709 --> 01:17:33,667
I look at it like
you could've got 30 years.
1462
01:17:33,751 --> 01:17:38,042
I look at it
that I could've got
life in prison, you know?
1463
01:17:38,125 --> 01:17:41,959
I was hitting
a really down point,
1464
01:17:42,042 --> 01:17:45,334
and it was before--
before the plea agreement,
1465
01:17:45,417 --> 01:17:48,834
before I knew
anything about it.
1466
01:17:48,918 --> 01:17:52,834
I was thinking
if I get life in prison
1467
01:17:52,918 --> 01:17:55,834
and that is what I get,
1468
01:17:55,918 --> 01:17:58,709
I'm committing suicide
right now, you know?
1469
01:17:58,792 --> 01:18:01,083
I was seriously
considering it.
1470
01:18:01,167 --> 01:18:03,375
- Well, baby--
- 'Cause I'm like,
it could just be over.
1471
01:18:04,584 --> 01:18:07,000
I just want to make sure
you know that
1472
01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:09,584
if I had done
anything wrong,
I'm sorry, baby.
1473
01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:11,417
No, I don't think
you did anything wrong.
1474
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:15,209
I think it's just
Mom was very good
at what she was doing,
1475
01:18:15,292 --> 01:18:18,667
and I think you just
was completely in the dark.
1476
01:18:18,751 --> 01:18:20,375
And I don't--
I want you to know
1477
01:18:20,459 --> 01:18:25,083
I don't blame you
for any of it,
either of you.
1478
01:18:25,167 --> 01:18:27,709
- Thank you.
- I take blame on myself.
1479
01:18:27,792 --> 01:18:31,542
And I blame other people,
but I never once blamed y'all.
1480
01:18:31,626 --> 01:18:34,584
Don't blame yourself,
sweetie.
1481
01:18:34,667 --> 01:18:38,626
We blame-- I hold enough
for myself, you know?
1482
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:40,459
Accountability, it's--
1483
01:18:40,542 --> 01:18:42,626
but, I mean, we're not
gonna dwell on that.
1484
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:44,083
- No.
- No.
1485
01:18:44,167 --> 01:18:46,125
We're gonna go forward,
and when you get out..
1486
01:18:46,209 --> 01:18:48,459
- We'll heal together.
- ...you're still
gonna young.
1487
01:18:48,542 --> 01:18:52,209
We can have
a great relationship.
1488
01:18:52,292 --> 01:18:55,209
Look, God pulled you
through it.
1489
01:18:55,292 --> 01:18:58,125
- Rod: Yeah.
- You know?
1490
01:18:58,209 --> 01:19:01,417
The devil don't got you, baby.
God got you.
1491
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:04,000
- Gypsy: Yeah.
- And we got you.
1492
01:19:08,667 --> 01:19:09,834
Give me a hug.
1493
01:19:13,125 --> 01:19:14,375
Hang in there, baby.
1494
01:19:15,876 --> 01:19:17,792
You need anything,
call any time, okay?
1495
01:19:17,876 --> 01:19:19,375
- ( Gypsy grunts )
- Oh, she knows.
1496
01:19:19,459 --> 01:19:22,834
We'll come see you again
over there, wherever.
1497
01:19:22,918 --> 01:19:24,959
Just hang tight.
Stay strong.
1498
01:19:25,042 --> 01:19:27,584
- We love you.
- ( softly) I love you, too.
1499
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:32,667
( crying )
I don't want to go.
1500
01:19:40,167 --> 01:19:42,918
I don't want to go.
I don't want to go.
1501
01:19:49,375 --> 01:19:53,083
It's okay, baby.
You can do it, okay?
1502
01:19:53,167 --> 01:19:55,792
Just stay strong.
1503
01:19:55,876 --> 01:19:58,709
You got this far, okay?
1504
01:19:58,792 --> 01:20:00,167
The rest is gonna be easier.
1505
01:20:00,250 --> 01:20:02,375
- Okay. Okay.
- Okay?
1506
01:20:05,209 --> 01:20:06,792
You guys have
a safe trip back.
1507
01:20:06,876 --> 01:20:08,542
- Don't get in no trouble.
- I won't.
1508
01:20:08,626 --> 01:20:09,918
- Be good.
- I'll be a good girl.
1509
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,417
- Follow the rules.
- I will.
1510
01:20:12,500 --> 01:20:13,542
Bye.
1511
01:20:13,626 --> 01:20:16,125
- Set a good example.
- I will.
1512
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:30,751
( music playing )
1513
01:20:30,834 --> 01:20:33,542
♪ We were very happy ♪
1514
01:20:33,626 --> 01:20:38,292
♪ Well, at least
I thought we were ♪
1515
01:20:38,375 --> 01:20:43,375
♪ Can't somebody tell me
what's got into her? ♪
1516
01:20:43,459 --> 01:20:47,375
♪ A house, a home,
a family ♪
1517
01:20:47,459 --> 01:20:51,709
♪ And a man
that loves her so ♪
1518
01:20:51,792 --> 01:20:54,876
♪ Oh, say,
has anybody seen ♪
1519
01:20:54,959 --> 01:20:58,083
♪ My sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪
1520
01:20:58,167 --> 01:21:02,667
♪ Here's her picture
when she was my sweet Mary Jo ♪
1521
01:21:02,751 --> 01:21:06,167
♪ Now she's got rings
on her fingers ♪
1522
01:21:06,250 --> 01:21:09,209
♪ And bells on her toes ♪
1523
01:21:09,292 --> 01:21:14,751
♪ Say, has anybody seen
my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪
1524
01:21:14,834 --> 01:21:18,292
♪ Oh, I got wind
my Jo's been dancin' ♪
1525
01:21:18,375 --> 01:21:20,751
♪ Here in New Orleans ♪
1526
01:21:20,834 --> 01:21:23,334
♪ In this smoke-filled
honky-tonk ♪
1527
01:21:23,417 --> 01:21:25,959
♪ They call
the Land of Dreams ♪
1528
01:21:26,042 --> 01:21:28,792
♪ Whoa, here she comes
a-struttin' ♪
1529
01:21:28,876 --> 01:21:31,834
♪ In her birthday clothes ♪
1530
01:21:31,918 --> 01:21:37,626
♪ Say, has anybody seen
my sweet Gypsy Rose? ♪
1531
01:21:40,876 --> 01:21:43,375
♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪
1532
01:21:46,167 --> 01:21:47,667
♪ Sweet Gypsy Rose ♪
1533
01:21:47,751 --> 01:21:51,125
♪ So take those rings
off your fingers ♪
1534
01:21:51,209 --> 01:21:54,250
♪ And bells off your toes ♪
1535
01:21:54,334 --> 01:21:57,417
♪ Say,
has anybody seen my ♪
1536
01:21:57,500 --> 01:22:00,125
♪ Now you know
just what I mean by ♪
1537
01:22:00,209 --> 01:22:04,751
♪ Has anybody seen
my Gypsy Rose? ♪