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- The United States
deputy marshal

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had been murdered,
and two other deputy marshals

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had been pinned down.

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- We were told
the ones that killed the marshal

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were now on the loose.

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- The marshals were there
to arrest Randall Weaver

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for failure to appear warrant.

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- He had some connection
as a white separatist

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with the Aryan Nations.

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Randy Weaver
has been holed up in a remote

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mountain cabin in Idaho
surrounded by an army of police

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and federal agents.

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- You want to know
everything about this guy,

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what he's capable of, and who
our opponent is going to be.

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- This guy was former military.

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He may have had
Special Forces training.

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- Mr. Woodland.

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Mr. Firearms.

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Booby traps...

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And we didn't know exactly
how many people were up there

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with him. They were
all heavily armed.

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- And I see this individual
walking up.

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So I'm taking pressure off
the trigger,

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and all of a sudden,
the shot goes off.

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- You're a disgrace
to the white race!

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In the FBI,
we make a lot of headlines.

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Drug busts, mob stings.

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Terrorist takedowns.

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We understand why people

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want to tell stories about us.

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- Mark it.
- Freeze!

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- FBI.
- FBI.

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- Action!

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But they don't
know the half of it.

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What really goes down?

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We save that for each other,

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when we're talking
agent to agent.

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This is FBI True.

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- Guys, is this the first time
you've ever been together

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and talking about this
Ruby Ridge situation in public?

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- It is.
- Absolutely.

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I avoid talking about these
things as much as possible.

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- I don't, uh...

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It's not something
I enjoy speaking of.

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- What made you decide
at this point that

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this was a good venue
to talk about this together?

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- We trust you guys
to do the right thing,

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because these documentaries,
I don't care who does it,

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it's always skewed
one way or the other.

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This is the only way
it will probably ever

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be told truthfully.

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- There's no spin.

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- There is no spin here.

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Kristy Kottis
is a 24-year veteran of the FB.

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She worked gangs,
crimes against children

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as well as human
and drug trafficking.

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- Take me back to when
you first get the notification

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that you have to deploy.

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- It was a Friday,
it was around midday.

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I was over in the gym,
working out...

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Jim McGee began
his career as a firefighter

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for the National
Forest Service.

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As a member of
the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team,

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he received the Medal of Valor
for Exceptional Heroism.

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- We get the 333
over the pager.

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- We got the triple threes.

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And then you knew
it was for real.

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Something bad
had happened somewhere

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and we need to deploy.

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As an FBI Special
Agent, Charlie Rasner

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worked domestic terrorism
and civil rights cases

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before joining the FBI's Hostae
Rescue Team as a sniper.

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- When you get the triple three,
I mean, that's a good day.

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That's what you were
on HRT for, is mission.

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Dale Monroe
was a pilot in the Marine Corps

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before becoming a Special Agent
with the FBI.

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He joined the Hostage
Rescue Team in 1991.

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- Did anyone have
an idea already

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where you might be going?
- No.

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- Nothing.

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- You'd go over
to the HRT building,

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get the briefing,
and then you find out.

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So you guys
are all in the briefing room.

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What do you hear?

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- We had a United States

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deputy marshal
who had been murdered.

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And apparently, he was with
at least two other

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deputy marshals,
and they're doing

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a reconnaissance of a cabin.

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And they had been engaged
in a firefight.

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- The marshals were there
to arrest Randall Weaver...

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...for failure
to appear warrant.

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That's all we really knew,

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that he had violated
his court order

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to appear in court.
- Later on,

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we found out
the whole thing started

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with the ATF case.

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- Who's the ATF looking at?
- Aryan Nation.

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- The Aryan Nation.
- Well, they had a source

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and he convinces
Randy Weaver

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to saw off
a couple of shotguns.

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And now they want to do
what they did with their source,

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they wanna make him
the next source.

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And Randy? No, he doesn't
want to work for them.

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He said, no, I'm not.

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So they say, well,
we can charge you if you don't.

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And he says, Go ahead,
charge me. So they charge him.

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The charge is illegally...

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- ...- modifying a weapon.
- Modifying shotguns.

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The court docket says
he was supposed to report

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February 20th.

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They give him his paperwork.

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His paperwork says
he's supposed to report

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March 20th. So 2/20 goes by,

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and he doesn't come down.
He's now a failure to appear.

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- Right.
- So they arrest him.

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He shows him his paperwork,
everybody realizes

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there's been a mistake,
but you still have to answer

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for these charges. He says
you'll never see me again.

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- And so the marshals
were ordered by a federal judge

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to bring him in.
And that's why they were

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conducting surveillance,
to try to catch him off

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the compound so they could
peacefully arrest him

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and bring him in.

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- The marshals were
actually leaving for the day,

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but they had to change
the batteries.

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- Surveillance was burned,
and they were

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essentially ambushed.

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And the marshal was killed.

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- So that's what we're hearing.
Basically, it's a bad situation.

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From our perspective.
All right, well,

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there may be a need
for a rescue here, right?

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Immediately, to get those guys
out who are pinned down.

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So they're going to call
the final option.

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That's the HRT.
- Mm-hmm.

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- You know, we're going
into this situation,

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this guy, he's in like,
this isolated cabin...

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...up on a mountaintop
in the panhandle of Idaho.

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I knew we were going
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rough terrain,
because, just by chance,

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ten years earlier,
I had spent a month in that area

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fighting a major forest fire.

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- Oh, wow.
- I knew we were going

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into some steep terrain.

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If you weren't used
to hiking hills,

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you were gonna get used to it.

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- We're getting ready.
A deputy U.S. marshal

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has been murdered.
We don't know

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how it happened exactly.
We want to know everything about

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Randall Weaver,
about what he's capable of

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and who our opponent
is going to be.

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So we want information.

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- After we landed,
at an Air Force base

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in Washington State,

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then we had to drive from there

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to Bonners Ferry, Idaho,
which is up close

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to the Canada border,

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and that's where
we received the briefing.

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- What do they tell you
at Bonners Ferry?

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- You know, this guy
was former military.

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And so, he may have had
some Special Forces training.

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Also that he had some connection

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as a white separatist
with the Aryan Nations.

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- My impression was
he was a former Green Beret.

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If you remember the movie
Rambo at the time,

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they were comparing him
to that guy.

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Mr. Woodland.
Mr. Firearms Expert.

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Mr. Explosives. Booby traps.

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Be careful. He's gonna get out
in the woods and outflank you,

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if possible, and we didn't know
exactly how many people

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were up there with him.
They were all heavily armed.

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- And that's where we found
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SWAT team had the body
of Deputy Marshal

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William Degan
coming off the mountain.

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- They'd been able
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as well as the other
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who have also been able
to get out of the area.

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So they're no longer
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That changes things.

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Now it goes from
an emergency assault

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to try to rescue these guys
to more of a sniper mission.

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So they're going to have
to go in and gather intelligence

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and see what the heck
we're dealing with.

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- Our job is to go
and arrest this person

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who apparently has just murdered
a federal marshal.

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And so, we want information.

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- So at this time,
you don't have any details

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of how that transpired,
how they got burned.

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- Right. What we got
was incomplete and fragmented,

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but we knew that
he was viciously murdered.

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- Right.
- And that they were

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running around the mountain
and we didn't know where.

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- There was no perimeter,
no knowledge of where they were.

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And so, we were supposed
to figure that out.

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They gave us a little bit
of information on the family.

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- Who do you understand
those individuals are?

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- Randy and Vicki Weaver...

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their friend Kevin Harris,

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the kids of Randy,
Vicki Weaver, Sara, Rachel,

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Sammy and Elisheba.

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- Two of the kids were armed.

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Sammy and Sara.

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- We were told that
they didn't really care

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for trespassers,
and we were told this.

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They had, around the cabin,

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various rock outcroppings
which they would run to,

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doing these ready action drills

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with long weapons
to engage anybody

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who might come
on their property.

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- From there,
what are you thinking?

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- We got somebody up there
that's willing to kill

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a deputy U.S. marshal.
They'll kill us just as well.

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So we have to be on our game.
We don't know where they are.

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We know that
the terrain is vast.

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It's a wilderness.
It's their turf, not ours.

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We're foreigners,
we're invaders in their eyes.

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And we need to be very careful
when we go up there.

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- Jim, assaulters are not
going to get into position

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until the snipers
have set up the perimeter.

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- As an assaulter,
I was still at the bottom

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of the mountain,
where we were planning

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for a possible assault
on the cabin.

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- We're about two and a half,
three-hour climb

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from the staging area to...
- Yeah, easily.

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- ...our perimeter
to the cabin.

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And before we even got
the perimeter set up...

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...we could have been
ambushed at any time.

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So going up there,
we're definitely alert

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to the right, to the left,
to the back of us,

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the front of us as to anybody
that could ambush us.

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- Take me to that scene.
You guys have backpacks,

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all your equipment,
do they drop you at a trailhead?

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Like, where do they drop you?
Where do you start?

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- Well, two marshals
led the way.

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They took us up
most of the way

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to what was considered
a "Y" in the trail.

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And that's where they left us.
And then they pointed

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to where the cabin was.
And then we ended up

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working our way
to put up a half-moon

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sniper positions
around the house,

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so we could see
what was going on,

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if anything happened.
- Right.

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- We only had 13 snipers,
which is not many,

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when you consider
the vastness of the terrain.

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- We ended up going in first,

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and then we set up
the final firing position.

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Our observation point.
My partner Lon had his rifle.

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He decided to kneel.

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There was a branch
coming out of the tree.

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Perfect height. I went prone.

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All the other snipers
went prone as well.

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- The command post
was way down here.

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The cabin was way up here.

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And my partner and I
were in overwatch position,

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which was about 600 yards
above the cabin.

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We had drag bags, I would say
we had a couple hundred pounds

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here easily with food, water,
ammunition, weapons.

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We had the long guns
and had sidearms.

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- We see the helicopter...

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...buzzing in and out.

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We know it's got
our command staff in it.

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It's a small helicopter,
it's tiny.

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We call it the little bird.
Two pilots,

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maybe two passengers.

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We see the helicopter
in our face

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and then under the clouds
dipping back and forth,

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trying to get a viewpoint
of the cabin,

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and the vicinity of the cabin.

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- I heard the helicopter.

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And as soon as it...
It looked like it was up

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to my high left.
I didn't think anything of it.

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And all of a sudden,
the cabin door swings open

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and three people run out.
Sara, Kevin and Randy Weaver.

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I'm watching them
through my scope.

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And all of a sudden,
I look, and I'm looking

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right at the birthing shed
as well as the cabin.

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And I see this individual
walking up

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kind of in a crouched manner,

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coming up the back side
of the birthing shed.

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And so, I mentioned this to Lon.
He sees it too.

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And then the individual
gets to the edge

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of the birthing shed.

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And now he turns
and in a crouched,

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aggressive kind of stance,
and up comes the rifle.

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There was no doubt in my mind
he was going to fire

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at the helicopter.
- Right.

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- So I'm taking
pressure off the trigger,

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and all of a sudden,
the shot goes off.

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And it was right
into my ear

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because it was my partner
Lon's shot that went off.

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I see it hit Weaver.

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And he starts running,
and then all of a sudden,

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I see the other two
come into view,

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and then Randy
joined up with Kevin,

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and they're looking at
Lon and I's direction,

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like they knew where
the shot came from.

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- Mm-hmm.
- And their weapons

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are at port arms,

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pointing at our direction,

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and they're moving
toward the cabin.

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So, Weaver was ahead of him

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and got in,
and Lon's shot goes off again.

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And it's the same thing.
I know... It's again Lon's shot.

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Then I see Harris stumble a bit

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and then fall into the doorway.

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That was the last thing I saw

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until we heard about 30 seconds
worth of screams.

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And we're wondering, you know,
what the heck is that?

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I was thinking the two males
had been shot.

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And I thought maybe
more seriously

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than I thought they were shot,
because of all these screams.

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After the shots,
we talked about the hits.

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- Right.
- And I told him

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I definitely know he hit Weaver.

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And I said,
and I'm pretty sure

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you hit the second shot.

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You hit Harris.

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- We have a dead
United States deputy marshal.

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And these guys are suspected
of murdering him.

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- Mm-hmm.
- So we're getting the job done.

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- The next day,
we went right back up there.

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- We knew we were gonna
go right back out.

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- Not knowing
where they were again.

324
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- Right.
- Right.

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- And what we've been
tasked to do is to clear

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and dismantle
these various outbuildings;

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birthing shed, tack shed,
outhouse, whatever,

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00:18:11,002 --> 00:18:15,050
so that the snipers,
and us as well,

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would have a clear view
of the cabin,

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because now, we're going
to set up on the perimeter

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in an emergency assault status.

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We were going to continue
that mission until all of those

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buildings were dismantled

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and then we were gonna
start on the cabin.

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- My partner and I
had moved down

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to the birthing shed, which was
20 yards from the main cabin.

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00:18:38,813 --> 00:18:40,684
One of the operators,
Jack Morrison,

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exited the APC,
because the thought was,

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00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:44,340
"Well, we better check
the building before

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we start dismantling,
we can't just knock it down.

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00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,517
It might have explosives,
it might have anything,

342
00:18:47,561 --> 00:18:49,389
it may be booby trapped.
We don't know."

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00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:51,086
So Jack goes over
to the building and I...

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00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:53,044
I'm 20 yards from him
at that point,

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and I realize he doesn't
have anybody with him.

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00:18:54,742 --> 00:18:56,265
He's by himself
clearing this building.

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00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:58,180
And I hear him,
he kicks the door,

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00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:00,095
starts giving commands.
I run up there.

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00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,010
Probably a foolish thing to do

350
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because I expose myself
to fire from the house.

351
00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:05,405
But I thought,
I've gotta get up there.

352
00:19:05,448 --> 00:19:07,146
- You weren't gonna let him
go by himself.

353
00:19:07,189 --> 00:19:09,148
- Precisely.
So we both go up there.

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00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:11,585
We both go in the building
and we're yelling at this person

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00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:14,849
that's on this table
to get down on the ground,

356
00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:16,851
to follow commands.
We're the FBI,

357
00:19:16,894 --> 00:19:18,505
we announce who we are
over and over.

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00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:19,984
Nothing.

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00:19:20,028 --> 00:19:22,204
I go up to him, grab him,

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00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:24,728
I look, realize
he's not moving. Dead.

361
00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:27,601
Look into his eyes.

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00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:28,906
They're black holes almost.

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00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:30,256
Been dead three or four days,

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00:19:30,299 --> 00:19:31,909
it looked like.

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00:19:31,953 --> 00:19:34,042
And then we radio the TOC.
"We have a crime scene

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here in the shed.
There's a corpse."

367
00:19:36,044 --> 00:19:39,526
I describe, he looked like
about 10 to 12 years old.

368
00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:41,049
It's a child. Yeah.
- A child.

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00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,095
Body's cold, lifeless.

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He was naked
to his underwear.

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00:19:46,881 --> 00:19:49,013
He had been cleaned
because I could tell

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he had wounds. We unwrapped him.

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He was wrapped
in a shower curtain.

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White shower curtain.
So I unwrap the body.

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00:19:56,238 --> 00:19:58,545
And I looked at his wounds.
I lifted his arms.

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00:19:58,588 --> 00:20:02,723
His right arm was shredded,
because in my mind,

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00:20:02,766 --> 00:20:04,942
it appeared to me
that he was shot

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00:20:04,986 --> 00:20:07,075
while holding something
like a rifle,

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00:20:07,118 --> 00:20:09,773
the bullet had entered here
in his right arm

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00:20:09,817 --> 00:20:12,472
and shredded his whole arm,
the flesh hanging out

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00:20:12,515 --> 00:20:14,778
and he had been cleaned up
by the family,

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00:20:14,822 --> 00:20:16,780
I think, probably for burial
or something.

383
00:20:16,824 --> 00:20:19,261
And he had another wound
here in the back,

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00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,089
and the exit wound.
So I think he probably

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00:20:21,132 --> 00:20:22,917
got spun around
when he got shot.

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00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,485
- What rushed across
to you at that point?

387
00:20:25,528 --> 00:20:27,574
- That we needed
to slow this train.

388
00:20:27,617 --> 00:20:29,402
We need to stop this train.

389
00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:32,753
Figure out what we have here,
because we have an unidentified

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00:20:32,796 --> 00:20:34,363
deceased individual.

391
00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:36,539
And I started
going through my mind,

392
00:20:36,583 --> 00:20:39,194
who all was in there
on this compound

393
00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,457
that this could be?
And it hit me that it was maybe

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00:20:41,501 --> 00:20:43,764
Sammy, the kid, the son.

395
00:21:02,565 --> 00:21:05,002
I'm thinking this is worse
than we thought.

396
00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:06,917
It was a really, really bad...

397
00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:10,747
Now it's really way worse.

398
00:21:16,057 --> 00:21:19,147
The family was grief-stricken.
And so, I felt for them,

399
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:21,845
I felt horrible for them,
a tremendous loss.

400
00:21:22,455 --> 00:21:25,458
Parents, there's no telling
the amount of grief

401
00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:29,766
you go through when you lose
a child before your death.

402
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:32,508
So I thought, well,
how is this going to affect

403
00:21:32,552 --> 00:21:34,554
these people mentally,
and what are they thinking

404
00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:38,645
inside there? Are they now
just going to say,

405
00:21:38,688 --> 00:21:41,082
to heck with it,
and kill us all?

406
00:21:48,045 --> 00:21:50,831
Next time,
on FBI True.

407
00:21:50,874 --> 00:21:53,355
- You know, he's putting
suppression fire down

408
00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:56,358
and ends up killing Sammy.

409
00:21:57,664 --> 00:22:00,623
- It's beginning to get
more and more aggressive.

410
00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:02,756
Now, you have not only
a threat from within,

411
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,453
but you have an outer
perimeter threat.

412
00:22:04,497 --> 00:22:07,413
And it's really a perimeter
that you cannot contain.

413
00:22:07,456 --> 00:22:09,023
We're going to war!

414
00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:12,331
- Never!

415
00:22:12,374 --> 00:22:13,897
- But when I get
through that door,

416
00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:16,378
I'm not stopping 'til I get
to the opposite wall,

417
00:22:16,422 --> 00:22:19,207
because I'm going home
when this is over with.

418
00:22:21,688 --> 00:22:24,560
So if that little girl
is standing there

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00:22:24,604 --> 00:22:26,562
with a long weapon
pointed at me,

420
00:22:26,606 --> 00:22:28,825
I mean, you got to do
what you got to do.

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