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More often than not, I guess
documentaries are done about people
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who've done something extremely well.
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But in my case, I think it's like
that I did a number of different things...
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Martin! Martin! Martin!
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Martin Mull!
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...and got at least
passing grades in all of them.
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I don't have a one-man show
at the Museum of Modern Art.
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I don't have an Oscar.
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I don't have a Grammy.
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I don't have a million-selling album,
et cetera, et cetera.
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And I realize
that's a problem in a documentary.
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I... I don't know what it's about.
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It's not necessarily about a painter
or about an actor or about a musician.
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It's about a man and his ego, I guess.
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Why do it?
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Well, it's a chance to answer a question
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that has been haunting me
for nearly 75 years.
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Who is Martin Mull?
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And who gives a shit?
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Martin Mull.
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- Martin Mull!
- Mr. Martin Mull!
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Major musical talent, Martin Mull!
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Thank you. Thank you.
Please. Please, sit down.
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{\an8}I live where success
and stupidity shake hands.
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{\an8}Hello?
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{\an8}My next guest is a musician
as well as an actor and a fine comedian.
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{\an8}He is bizarre, eccentric,
a little off-the-wall.
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{\an8}I'm here for shameless self-promotion.
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{\an8}Look, I want a straight answer.
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{\an8}Are you trying to make me look stupid
in front of the other guests?
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{\an8}- You don't need any help from me, sir.
- That's right!
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{\an8}Think about it. I detest Barbra Streisand,
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{\an8}and for God's sake, I'm a Republican!
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{\an8}But do you like having sex with men?
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{\an8}- Well, it's--
- Gay!
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{\an8}Life is better than death
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{\an8}You might want to start calling me
Uncle Willard!
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{\an8}Gene Parmesan.
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{\an8}Gene Parmesan, how you doin'?
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{\an8}Life can only be life
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{\an8}What do you think? Are we gonna win?
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{\an8}Madam President, I've got big balls,
but neither one of them are crystal.
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{\an8}Oh, darn it.
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{\an8}Life is better than death
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{\an8}Russell, you been hitting
the free samples again?
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{\an8}What are you, a cop?
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{\an8}Don't hold your breath
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{\an8}Let me in! Let me in!
I've got the answer! Come on!
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{\an8}I've got a madman in my studio and...
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{\an8}Help me!
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{\an8}- You are a painter, a good painter.
- Thank you. That's my main thrust.
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Show business was a means toward an end.
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Every painter I know
has to have a day gig.
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They do that to support painting.
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I still need show business,
but it's all just an excuse to paint.
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Terrific!
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All right. Set, and...
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{\an8}Apple baker.
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{\an8}Scene marker.
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The makeup lady go too far?
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- Let me put this here where it goes.
- I'll put it where it was.
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Okay, so...
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With that being said,
no laughing, no moving.
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Um... I don't know
where to begin because, to me,
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you truly are a jack-of-all-trades.
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Jerk-of-all-trades.
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Well, I will say that you're
one of the first comedians I ever saw.
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I was 17, and you were at
the Main Point in Philadelphia.
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Hello!
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My name is Martin Mull.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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It was one of the best shows
I'd ever seen.
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- And you inspired me.
- Well, thank you.
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I have a bossa nova song
I'd really like to do for you very much.
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I don't know, it's got some language in it
that maybe isn't for everybody.
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I'm gonna sing it anyway, okay?
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But if I come to a word or a phrase
that might not be everybody's cup of tea...
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I'm worried about that... what I'm gonna do,
and this is a bit of a brainstorm...
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I'm going to hum those words, okay?
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I had been writing comedy songs,
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but your comedy songs,
to me, were so incredible.
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Last night I took you home
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And we began to hmm, hmm-hmm
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You were such a hmm, hmm, hmm
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Hmm, hmm, hmm, only 17
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Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm
Rubber shirts
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Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, leather skirts
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Hmm, hmm
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Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm
And a quart of Valvoline!
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I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
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I could never be that funny.
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Hmm, hmm, hospital
For life
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It was the same reaction I had when
I was in film school and I saw Annie Hall.
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"Oh, shit, I'm never gonna
be able to make a good movie."
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Then from the chandelier
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The three of us, hmm, hmm
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{\an8}When I got out of high school,
for a while I'd just hitchhike
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{\an8}to wherever Martin Mull was playing.
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I'd memorized everything that he'd done.
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The show was astonishing.
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{\an8}People now may not know
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he was a big deal in the '70s.
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It was a very specific kind of comedy
that Martin just shot to the top of.
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Oh, this is so close to a thrill,
being here.
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{\an8}Martin's act was completely different
from any other comedian.
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He's as unique a person as I've ever seen.
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Hmm, hmm, hmm
Whips and chains
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You're talking about someone
who was a world-class comedian,
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and that's not what he did best.
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My father's wife
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Thank you.
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I never thought
I'd be in show business... at all.
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I'd always felt like I was a painter,
and that I had a great day job.
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But it's a two-headed monster,
because for many, many years,
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the fact that I was a painter,
people would say, "Oh, really?"
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And I used to cringe.
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It was like, "Please, no.
Call me a shitty actor, but don't..."
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"Please, this means something to me."
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You know? "This is...
This is who I really am."
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And it's been a battle trying to get
that painter identity away from, like,
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my being connected to show business.
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Right.
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Um...
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I wanna go back, just before
you were born, maybe nine months.
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Uh... at your inception.
Do you remember that?
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When I was just a bottle of wine
under my father's arm?
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- Exactly.
- Um...
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You know,
I was an accident of sperm and egg.
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I mean, that's basically what it is.
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I had that for breakfast.
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All you need to know is,
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we lived in this little town
called North Ridgeville, Ohio,
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where I've always maintained
that the zip code should be EIEIO.
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It was pretty remote.
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It was my father, my mother, and I.
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And then I have a brother,
two years my junior,
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and a sister, ten years my junior.
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{\an8}It's rural with a capital R. You know?
You can't get much farther away from...
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{\an8}civilization, humanity.
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{\an8}It was right out of Leave it to Beaver,
right out of what you would expect.
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{\an8}In our family, Marty was the favorite
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because he was the first,
and as it turned out, he was special.
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{\an8}I started drawing when I was quite young
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and, uh, just never stopped.
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{\an8}When I was in high school,
I was doing these stupid cartoons
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{\an8}and I sent some in to a card company,
and they bought 'em.
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And I thought,
"Wow, I could maybe do this."
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No, making art was definitely something
that was not part of the community
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that I was in.
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But my mother was very artistic,
and she would always play piano.
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My mother raised us,
and she was a big influence.
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And, uh, my dad...
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My dad was just kind of a shadow
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that was over there on the couch
reading the newspaper.
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He was never involved in our lives.
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I have a sensitive question to ask you.
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Are you ever sad that you didn't have
a deeper relationship with your dad?
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No.
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There were some issues I don't want
to really get into that weren't the best.
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We didn't...
We didn't have the best relationship.
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By... By any means.
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- Wanna leave it at that?
- Leave it at that.
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I'm not gonna go into
any long story about that.
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It's not a good story?
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No, it isn't.
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But I knew that there was some other life
other than the one I was living.
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That I would not spend the rest of my life
behind a John Deere tractor.
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I don't think I would've been
a happy camper
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staying at home
and taking the easiest street.
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I knew there was
other stuff out there to be done
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and I wanted to give it at least a try.
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But I tend to think that almost...
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...all of my life, in many, many ways,
up until I went to art school
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was a dress rehearsal.
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When I got to RISD, got out of the car...
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It literally was when Dorothy
walks into Oz, and it's in color.
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Art school opened up things that had
never been opened up to me before.
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So inspirational.
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When I came across Matisse's drawings,
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and other people like Edward Hopper,
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I just got hit right between the eyes
with his imagery too.
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I think that there was
a complete cellular rebirth.
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My brain got bent, and it stayed bent.
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Art school made me what I am.
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Or destroyed what I was.
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I think everybody at RISD knew him.
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Every class there's one person who excels,
and you see it instantly.
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{\an8}"That... That one's got it."
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{\an8}And he got it.
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He was an artist from day one.
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Came right out of him.
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The one thing that mattered to him
the most is painting.
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Marty didn't do anything musical at all
until he went off to college.
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He said, "Can I take your guitar?"
And I said, "Why?"
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He said, "I think
it's a really good way to pick up chicks."
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And I guess he really wanted these chicks
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'cause he really worked hard
at learning the guitar.
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When he came back home
after just the first six months,
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he actually could play some tunes.
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{\an8}I was in a, I guess you'd call it a...
When I say a leather shop,
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{\an8}I mean... a place where you fix shoes.
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{\an8}Okay?
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And this fellow next to me at the counter
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was getting a pair
of cowboy boots resoled.
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And his name was Marty Mull.
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Marty. There was no Martin Mull.
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And we started chatting. We just bonded.
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We spent a lot of time together.
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One time Marty came over
with a circle of friends,
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and he started playing guitar.
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And everybody was around
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fussing and buzzing and listening to him
play these crazy songs.
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And Marty knew that I am a pianist.
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Somehow or another
he got me involved in a group.
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And we called the group Soop.
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{\an8}Well, do you wanna be
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{\an8}An auto mechanic
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{\an8}Well, you can fix your car...
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We'd go up to Brown University
as the hired band,
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and we'd play for a drunken fraternity,
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and you'd stand in front of
this tower of amplifiers,
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and all you'd hear is yourself.
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And all you got out of the evening
was maybe $35
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and just award-winning tinnitus.
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And how did you become a comedian?
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I was a shitty singer.
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I was there for
the birth of the Martin Mull we all know.
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It happened at a coffee house.
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We were doing our songs.
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Something happened to the stage equipment.
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And Martin started talking.
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There's somebody up there
singing "We Shall Overcome."
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What a thing to sing about. My God.
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To me, that's between you, your spouse,
and your doctor. Do you know what I mean?
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And just... slayed 'em.
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If they undercame,
they wouldn't be singing.
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Isn't that true?
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Once I got my master's degree,
I knew there was no doctorate in painting.
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So, I would have to face the world now.
I could not any longer hide in academia.
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I had no money.
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Poor as a church mouse.
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And I thought, "What can I do
to keep myself in beer and cigarettes?"
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I thought, "Well, the only place
I'm making anything at all is music,
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so I'll do that."
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Painting was not paying the bills.
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And he decided that he was gonna
take his songs and become a musician.
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He was writing songs,
but not terrifically successful.
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If this thing isn't chart-bound, I quit.
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I've thought about this a little bit
in terms of what's...
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You know, like,
certain people get discovered.
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You know, all of a sudden, "Oh, my God."
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- Right.
- That didn't happen.
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I would audition for the people at
the record company, and they hated it.
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They said to my manager, "Why did you
drag us to hear these assholes?"
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Like it?
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The real turning point was
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when I all of a sudden wrote a song called
"A Girl Named Johnny Cash,"
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which was an answer song
to "A Boy Named Sue."
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Warner Bros. Music ended up
placing it with Jane Morgan,
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and she ended up singing it
on the Ed Sullivan Show, which was huge.
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{\an8}I wanted out in Tennessee in 1944
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{\an8}When the doctor hollered, "It's a girl!"
My father hit the floor
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{\an8}Then he hit the bottle
And he signed his name
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And he drove off into Nash
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And when that sun came up again
He'd named me Johnny Cash
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And out of that, Warner Bros. Music
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gave me a contract to write songs.
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Covered my rent, and that was just gold.
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You know, "My God,
I'm actually a professional."
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My name is Sue
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Great, I'm Johnny Cash
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I kept writing songs and writing songs.
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So when I did have a chance
to go out on my own,
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I've got what started to become an act.
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Tonight, Martin Mull and...
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his fabulous furniture!
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What was the Furniture Tour,
for people that need to know?
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Well, when I was in art school,
playing college mixers...
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...afterward, I'd go back to my house
with one of the other players
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and we'd smoke a joint or have a beer
or whatever and start playing,
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and that felt like music all of a sudden.
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The other was just cacophony.
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"But this is music.
What's the difference here?"
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"I know what it is.
We're sitting in furniture."
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"There's couches,
there's tables, there's chairs."
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So when I started doing
my own little live act,
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I decided to take my furniture with me.
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Then the band took on the name
The Fabulous Furniture.
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One, two, three, four!
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I've got the costumes,
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I've got the sound equipment,
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I've got the furniture.
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I started to become
the person that I was going to be.
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There's a new dance
And it's in this town
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It's the hottest... thing around
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It ain't hard
No, there's nothing to it
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So, come on
Everybody, won't you do it?
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Do the Nothing
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Ah, it's so nice to see everyone.
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This is one of our favorite songs.
This just gives us a chance to...
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...just...
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No, no, no clapping.
Nothing. Nothing, nothing.
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It's just so awkward and cringey.
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How long can we make this last?
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{\an8}I want people to squirm,
and that's where the humor is coming from.
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Martin's character was like,
"I'm handsome, I drink scotch,
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I have a little bit
of a 'fuck you' attitude."
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He was cool.
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I'm sorry, I'm a Gen-Xer.
A cocktail and a cigarette is very cool.
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Doin' nothing
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Here we go now...
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I am playing a guy
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that you and I are laughing at.
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I'm with you.
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I think he's an asshole too,
and I'm gonna be him for you.
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You're probably wondering,
"How can a guy smoke
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and still sing that good?"
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Well, I look at it this way.
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Works for me.
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So, I was being purposefully an asshole,
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and that worked.
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Pizza's here.
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{\an8}Martin Mull is one of the people
in my life who I've really idolized.
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In high school, he comes to Phoenix
to do a show at ASU.
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It was a phenomenal show.
329
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I'd like to do a tune right now
that really cooks.
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Watching somebody sit
in a big auditorium full of people,
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on a living room chair
with a rug and the band...
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You're almost like
you got to crash his house.
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{\an8}You have to remember...
late '60s, '70s, it was all "rock god."
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Long hair, platform shoes, leather pants.
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Martin went the other way.
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It was low-key.
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When you come out, and you sit on a sofa
and light a lamp in low light,
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you're already at a low-- slower speed.
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I would like to become
dead serious right now
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for just about a minute if I can.
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{\an8}He was kind of like a substitute teacher,
or a strange friend of your parents.
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Like a vacuum salesman on your porch.
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{\an8}And the songs, while being funny...
This guy could play.
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{\an8}You could tell this guy could play.
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Oh!
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It just had a combination of
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comedy and music to me
that was irresistible.
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Do the Nothing
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More!
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- Oh, boy...
- Marty!
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Whoo!
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I was just remembering this song that...
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The kind of thing
you can't get away with anymore. Um...
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It was, uh, "I remember the way
that we walked down the beach
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with the wind and the rain in your hair."
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"I'll never forget you as long as I live."
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"I'll never forget..."
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Big Tits Jackson
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That was the kind of thing I liked to do,
where you'd set the audience up
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and then just throw a pie
right in their face, et cetera, but, uh...
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Let me think.
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Oh, dear.
363
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- Hey, Martin?
- Steve interview, take one.
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Wanna ask if it's okay to call him Marty.
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Martin to Marty.
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00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,425
Marty or Martin? I always call him Marty,
but I think maybe he doesn't go by that.
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- First, thanks for doing this.
- My pleasure.
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Long-time friend.
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Not you.
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Martin. Yeah.
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When I first met him,
I was working a place called
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the Great Southeast Music Hall
in Atlanta, Georgia.
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Martin Mull was a headliner.
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I became a headliner much later on.
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So I'm backstage, and he walked by.
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00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:16,042
When we first met, I remember
being extremely intimidated by you.
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I couldn't think of a thing to say to you,
and I just walked by.
378
00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:21,840
- Yeah.
- And you said, "Pretty good, how are you?"
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- That's when we became friends.
- We became instant friends.
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When we worked together,
we called it The Steve Martin-Mull Show.
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When we'd finish our show,
we used to go out into the parking lot...
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- That's right.
- ...and play for tips.
383
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- We'd put our hat down on the ground...
- Yeah.
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...and we made, like, four or five bucks
or something like that.
385
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We also stayed at the same hotel.
386
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We had all the days free
to just hang out and be funny together.
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Even after the tour was over,
you and I kept on being great friends,
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00:23:02,923 --> 00:23:07,093
and that's when you got a little painting
of mine, I think, called The Mermaphones.
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- It was phones with mermaids.
- I was... Yes.
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00:23:09,346 --> 00:23:11,681
- I just looked at it yesterday.
- Oh, my God.
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- You still have it.
- Yeah.
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You've gotten some of the best paintings
I've ever done.
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When did you discover Martin the painter?
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All along. From when I first met Martin.
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He painted on cels.
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A Disney cel, but they would be big.
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When I first saw what he did,
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it kind of set me back,
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00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:40,752
'cause they were surprisingly well done,
and they were always, in some way, funny.
400
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These are The Eagles versus the Browns.
This is a field goal attempt.
401
00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:51,180
I had a chair that I really liked
that I anthropomorphized.
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I used this little chair
in so many paintings.
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00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:57,685
{\an8}I really did love Disney animation,
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00:23:57,686 --> 00:24:00,229
{\an8}and I thought, "I'm gonna
start painting some things
405
00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:03,275
that look like they were
taken from old movies."
406
00:24:07,237 --> 00:24:12,075
But I never really had what I would call
a significant show of paintings.
407
00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:16,037
I certainly wasn't making money,
money to live on.
408
00:24:16,038 --> 00:24:20,250
No, I still needed show business
very desperately in order to pay the rent.
409
00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:26,255
Well, here's the man
who Martin Mull thinks
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is going to be the next
big superstar in country music.
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00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:32,053
Ladies and gentlemen,
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Martin Mull.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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He was rising, rising, rising.
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00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:44,190
Please welcome Mr. Martin Mull.
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He started to get publicity.
417
00:24:46,193 --> 00:24:48,486
How do you describe your music?
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00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:50,239
Sort of blond-haired soul.
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00:24:51,448 --> 00:24:52,824
- The band likes that.
- Yeah.
420
00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,994
And then he got a record contract.
421
00:24:57,329 --> 00:25:00,289
Martin had eight comedy albums,
422
00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:03,043
and comedy albums were king in the '70s.
423
00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,505
Martin Mull was becoming
a superstar in comedy.
424
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:11,634
He toured the country, he opened
for the biggest rock acts on the planet.
425
00:25:11,635 --> 00:25:15,513
Beach Boys, Liza Minnelli, Billy Joel...
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00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:16,973
We opened for Springsteen.
427
00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:20,477
There was no competition.
Big stars knew he was harmless.
428
00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:25,148
{\an8}He'd come on tour with us
in the early days, when we toured America.
429
00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:28,859
And that was much fun
because when he came around,
430
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:30,529
it was always a huge party.
431
00:25:31,905 --> 00:25:35,658
We were never far
from a beer or a glass of wine or a joint.
432
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:38,244
You know, I wasn't shooting heroin
and things like that,
433
00:25:38,245 --> 00:25:41,581
but it was sex, drugs
and rock n' roll in the early '70s.
434
00:25:41,582 --> 00:25:43,041
Do the math, you know?
435
00:25:45,127 --> 00:25:48,380
He was a huge star, hugely successful.
436
00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:53,176
Martin Mull was
the absolute top of comedy.
437
00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:55,220
Hello, señoritas.
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00:25:56,972 --> 00:26:00,266
At a certain point,
my band needed a keyboard player,
439
00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,644
and my manager said, "Do you have
anything against women in the band?"
440
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:04,812
And I said, "No."
441
00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:08,859
It's a meritocracy.
If you can play... you know, you're in.
442
00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:14,530
I heard from his manager,
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00:26:14,531 --> 00:26:18,451
{\an8}and he said, "Martin's looking
for some female musicians."
444
00:26:18,452 --> 00:26:19,535
Very progressive, Martin Mull.
445
00:26:19,536 --> 00:26:24,999
Yes, he was. Or... horny.
I'm not... I don't know which.
446
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,001
I'd say progressive. That--
447
00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:29,379
I'm sorry, Martin, that wasn't very kind.
448
00:26:32,841 --> 00:26:34,384
I'm from the Bay Area.
449
00:26:34,968 --> 00:26:36,511
I was a studio musician.
450
00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:40,098
I played in a lot of funky old bands.
451
00:26:41,475 --> 00:26:44,645
I did some stuff with Santana,
'cause I lived with the drummer.
452
00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:47,813
I went on the road with Alice Cooper.
453
00:26:47,814 --> 00:26:51,151
I was under contract with him
for about two and a half years,
454
00:26:51,818 --> 00:26:56,323
and then I worked with Azteca,
which was 17 men... and me.
455
00:26:56,823 --> 00:26:59,033
There was a group called Freudian Slips.
456
00:26:59,034 --> 00:27:01,702
They were the first female group I was in.
457
00:27:01,703 --> 00:27:06,582
When I was with Freudian Slips,
we used to work with Janis Joplin.
458
00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:10,795
We were in Life Magazine.
We thought we had made it.
459
00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:13,048
We stunk. We were horrible.
460
00:27:14,007 --> 00:27:17,051
So I decided to take my VW bus,
461
00:27:17,052 --> 00:27:19,720
pack my B3 in the back,
462
00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:21,806
and I drove down to LA.
463
00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:23,474
That's when I met Martin.
464
00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:26,310
He hired a drummer.
465
00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:27,979
And myself as keyboard.
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00:27:29,106 --> 00:27:34,902
When I started rehearsing with him,
he was living in Malibu.
467
00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:39,491
I did like him, but he was in
a relationship at the time when I met him.
468
00:27:40,242 --> 00:27:43,077
So, we just became really good friends.
469
00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:46,748
We went on the road together.
We did all the clubs.
470
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:49,501
Oh, he was... he was ambitious.
471
00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:53,087
He was definitely trying
to make a name for himself.
472
00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:55,298
{\an8}Thank you.
473
00:27:55,882 --> 00:27:58,885
Ever since Soop,
Martin and I did a lot of gigs together.
474
00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:02,848
But the Roxy was really big.
475
00:28:04,558 --> 00:28:06,016
And this was his idea.
476
00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:09,186
He bought every ticket in the Roxy,
477
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:10,647
and he filled it with...
478
00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,065
{\an8}movie people.
479
00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:15,025
{\an8}Everybody was there,
480
00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:16,777
and we did our show for them.
481
00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:19,614
La la la la la
482
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,244
La la la la la
483
00:28:25,871 --> 00:28:32,877
When I first saw him perform at the Roxy,
I saw such an unusual talent.
484
00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:35,379
What a lovely night it's been
485
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:36,381
English!
486
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,093
It's too bad it has to end
487
00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:42,678
He's wickedly smart.
488
00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:45,264
Won't you give me a little kiss?
489
00:28:45,265 --> 00:28:50,187
{\an8}But there was never anger
or hostility in his sarcasm.
490
00:28:51,354 --> 00:28:53,815
It's so hard to say au revoir
491
00:28:54,941 --> 00:28:57,652
So let's just say hors d'oeuvres
492
00:29:01,198 --> 00:29:05,326
As a showrunner,
I can say that Norman Lear, in many ways,
493
00:29:05,327 --> 00:29:07,536
was the father of television comedy.
494
00:29:07,537 --> 00:29:10,289
{\an8}He dominated television
with all of his shows
495
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:11,916
{\an8}that he created and produced.
496
00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:15,419
The Jeffersons. Good Times.
497
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,589
Most famously, All in the Family.
498
00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:21,926
Like, he was kind of a celebrity.
He was on the cover of magazines.
499
00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:26,013
So, for him to look at Martin Mull
and appreciate him
500
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:28,809
could very much be
a big boost to his career.
501
00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:33,230
After the show was over...
502
00:29:34,523 --> 00:29:36,525
...I went in and met with Norman...
503
00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:41,570
Mwah! My dear friend.
504
00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:43,698
My dearer friend!
505
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:48,369
I remember it very clearly.
I went in and had a meeting with you.
506
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:51,872
I had been on the road as a traveling
musician, and I wanted to get off,
507
00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:54,667
and you and I talked for a good hour,
508
00:29:54,668 --> 00:29:58,547
had a lovely chat, at the end of which
you said, "I have an idea."
509
00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:03,676
Tonight from Fernwood! Fernwood 2 Night!
510
00:30:03,677 --> 00:30:08,472
You made a small-town version
of public access television.
511
00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:09,307
Yep.
512
00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:12,142
I said, "Wouldn't it be funny
513
00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:16,022
if a couple of men were
doing a late night talk show?"
514
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:20,068
Except... it happens in Fernwood, Ohio.
515
00:30:21,695 --> 00:30:24,363
Our first guest is a man
familiar to everyone in Fernwood.
516
00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:26,323
He was the former postmaster here...
517
00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:28,409
Please welcome Mr. Rock Mondo.
518
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:31,453
Let's get together and welcome
the body language of April McTear.
519
00:30:31,454 --> 00:30:34,373
Tonight,
Barth's guest will be Penny Dunbar,
520
00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:36,209
Fernwood's answer to Romania.
521
00:30:38,461 --> 00:30:40,129
That was an amazing show.
522
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:41,297
Thank you.
523
00:30:41,298 --> 00:30:44,926
That was absolutely pivotal
in terms of my life.
524
00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:48,262
And me, I'm Jerry Hubbard.
525
00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:52,058
And now here's your host and mine,
Mr. Barth Gimble.
526
00:30:52,726 --> 00:30:57,146
We wanted to make it sound
like a real talk show from Fernwood, Ohio.
527
00:30:57,147 --> 00:30:59,356
{\an8}So people thought they were
really watching a show,
528
00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,859
{\an8}and let the comedy come out realistically.
529
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:02,943
Didn't mean to interrupt.
530
00:31:02,944 --> 00:31:05,112
Every time I sit down,
you have to stop your monologue.
531
00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:07,489
And I feel so silly
'cause it kinda breaks the flow.
532
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:10,452
And you really had a nice,
uh... nice roll going, as they say.
533
00:31:11,661 --> 00:31:14,955
I'd never met Fred Willard,
and it was just absolute kismet.
534
00:31:14,956 --> 00:31:16,582
I mean, he's amazing.
535
00:31:16,583 --> 00:31:21,003
Acting with him is like following someone
who refuses to use their turn signals.
536
00:31:21,004 --> 00:31:23,423
You never know where Fred's going.
537
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,968
- We go back a bit.
- Yes.
538
00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:29,553
I'm trying to remember,
539
00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:32,139
when we did Fernwood 2 Night...
540
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,266
- You remember that?
- Was I on that?
541
00:31:34,267 --> 00:31:35,809
- Yeah, you were.
- Oh-ho...
542
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:38,354
Part of it was
to try to crack the other up a bit.
543
00:31:38,355 --> 00:31:40,649
- 'Cause we both played it very deadpan.
- Yes.
544
00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:45,194
I remember once we had somebody there
that was a war hero from World War II.
545
00:31:45,195 --> 00:31:48,072
World War II...
You know, it's funny, back then, uh...
546
00:31:48,073 --> 00:31:49,782
it was legal to kill a German,
547
00:31:49,783 --> 00:31:53,370
but boy, if you kill one now,
all hell breaks loose.
548
00:31:57,374 --> 00:31:59,458
Jerry, there's no war now.
549
00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:01,294
Guess not. Who wants to go to jail?
550
00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:06,549
{\an8}The very first episode,
it was absurd and treated seriously.
551
00:32:07,342 --> 00:32:11,595
Many Fernwooders or Fernwoodians
have actually never seen
552
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:13,765
a real live Jew before, and, um...
553
00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,517
You look just like the rest of us.
554
00:32:16,518 --> 00:32:18,812
It's as plain as the nose on your face.
555
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:23,482
It was mind-blowing.
This was... adults acting silly.
556
00:32:23,483 --> 00:32:27,152
But with a ringmaster in the middle
who was kind of put off by it
557
00:32:27,153 --> 00:32:28,988
and able to comment on it
558
00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:31,031
and set it up to make it more absurd.
559
00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:34,201
Hello, "Talk to a Jew." You're on air.
560
00:32:34,202 --> 00:32:37,705
It was really Fernwood 2 Night
made him the legend that he became
561
00:32:37,706 --> 00:32:39,331
in the comedy circles.
562
00:32:39,332 --> 00:32:40,833
What've you been discussing lately?
563
00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:42,084
Gynecology.
564
00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:43,585
Oh, boy.
565
00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:46,046
That is a fascinating area.
566
00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:48,590
And Fred Willard was hilarious.
567
00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:50,300
What area is that?
568
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:52,302
Gynecology.
569
00:32:52,303 --> 00:32:56,473
One was a fool and one was suave,
but they were both idiots, you know?
570
00:32:56,474 --> 00:32:59,477
Have they, uh, ever come up
with a cure for that?
571
00:33:01,646 --> 00:33:05,733
{\an8}Fernwood 2 Night was very ahead of
its time... the idea of a fake talk show...
572
00:33:05,734 --> 00:33:09,194
{\an8}I mean, that's what they did later
with The Colbert Report,
573
00:33:09,195 --> 00:33:10,988
with Space Ghost Coast to Coast.
574
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:14,659
Larry Sanders. Like, he predated
Larry Sanders by ten, 15 years.
575
00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:19,038
Even before there was
Spinal Tap, he basically created
576
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,206
the idea of a mockumentary
577
00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:24,501
where the whole thing was fake and crazy.
578
00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:27,630
I was, um, violated with a beam of light.
579
00:33:28,298 --> 00:33:32,051
Could you actually call it a violation
if it was simply a beam of light?
580
00:33:32,052 --> 00:33:36,181
Of course it was a violation,
if the light goes where he shined it.
581
00:33:39,184 --> 00:33:40,018
Okay.
582
00:33:42,645 --> 00:33:45,440
The show
wasn't meant to be a teaching tool.
583
00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:47,524
But it did, and it does.
584
00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:50,444
If we can all laugh at that...
"Wait. Why are we laughing?"
585
00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:52,571
"Because you shouldn't behave that way."
586
00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:56,117
Our next guest is an American Indian
from the Chenectaw tribe.
587
00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:59,078
My gosh, you look very authentic.
588
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,331
So many of the, I guess,
the modern Indians, especially the girls,
589
00:34:02,332 --> 00:34:06,086
they wear those saris
and a little red dot on their foreheads.
590
00:34:09,297 --> 00:34:12,341
{\an8}The point about comedy
is shedding light and truth
591
00:34:12,342 --> 00:34:14,676
{\an8}into areas where
people are scared to talk.
592
00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:17,472
And sometimes the people
that you think you're going to offend
593
00:34:18,306 --> 00:34:20,349
- are the ones that like it the most.
- Always.
594
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:23,435
Been a lot of talk all over the country
about the overabundance
595
00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:25,771
of pornography that's been
in our communities.
596
00:34:25,772 --> 00:34:28,691
- Isn't that something?
- Isn't it terrible? Or maybe it isn't.
597
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:32,903
We weren't getting away with anything.
We did what we did.
598
00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:35,280
- Yeah.
- And everything we talked about
599
00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:38,867
was something that could have
taken place on a street corner.
600
00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:42,955
It helps and gives new hope
to our Deaf citizens in Fernwood.
601
00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:44,958
- They'll be glad to hear that.
- Yes, yes.
602
00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:51,213
I don't think any person would look at
any of those things, even today, and say,
603
00:34:51,214 --> 00:34:52,881
"No, wait, that's inappropriate."
604
00:34:52,882 --> 00:34:54,758
Debbie, would you... stand up?
605
00:34:54,759 --> 00:34:55,801
Here...
606
00:34:55,802 --> 00:34:57,470
- Okay.
- Can you bend over, please?
607
00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:02,809
It was brand new. He was just
taking it to a whole other level.
608
00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:06,479
And as far as whether it offended people...
609
00:35:07,772 --> 00:35:09,982
I simply don't give a fuck.
610
00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:10,984
Not the slightest.
611
00:35:12,819 --> 00:35:15,612
I thought, "We're just
doing the show and having fun."
612
00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:16,530
Yeah.
613
00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:20,701
And I was in Chicago,
and my wife and I got into a cab,
614
00:35:20,702 --> 00:35:23,871
and the guy turned around and says,
"You're Jerry Hubbard, aren't you?"
615
00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:26,290
I said, "What?"
He said, "I recognize your voice."
616
00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:29,293
That's when I came back
and went into the producer's office
617
00:35:29,294 --> 00:35:31,336
and said, "This show is very popular."
618
00:35:31,337 --> 00:35:33,339
They said, "Oh, no, we know it is."
619
00:35:35,508 --> 00:35:38,760
I had my mother as a guest.
She came on and played a librarian.
620
00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:42,849
Please welcome, from the Fernwood
Public Library, Miss Janice Graham.
621
00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:48,270
I asked if she'd want to be on.
"Oh! Oh! Oh!"
622
00:35:48,271 --> 00:35:49,521
"Oh! Oh!"
623
00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:51,690
You don't need to whisper.
624
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:53,775
- I know, it must be a habit.
- Of course.
625
00:35:53,776 --> 00:35:56,111
Now, I understand, um...
626
00:35:56,112 --> 00:35:58,822
I understand you've compiled
quite a list of Ohio natives
627
00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:00,782
who've made their mark in the world, and...
628
00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:02,701
I'm kind of curious. I think we all are.
629
00:36:02,702 --> 00:36:04,913
- Who are some of these famous people?
- Yes.
630
00:36:05,496 --> 00:36:06,955
Warren G. Harding.
631
00:36:06,956 --> 00:36:09,082
- I'll be darned.
- Say, you know, he was--
632
00:36:09,083 --> 00:36:11,376
- Keefe Brasselle.
- Mm-hmm...
633
00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:13,378
- You know--
- Danny Thomas.
634
00:36:13,379 --> 00:36:15,631
- Is Danny Thomas--
- Paul Lynde.
635
00:36:15,632 --> 00:36:17,758
- That name doesn't--
- Johnny Appleseed.
636
00:36:17,759 --> 00:36:19,968
Okay, well, this is fantastic. Uh...
637
00:36:19,969 --> 00:36:21,511
- Bob Hope.
- Mm-hmm.
638
00:36:21,512 --> 00:36:24,474
Do you remember how you were
whispering before? That might...
639
00:36:25,058 --> 00:36:27,184
Could you possibly just, uh...
640
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:32,982
My mother was just thrilled to have...
your son grow up to be a television star.
641
00:36:33,816 --> 00:36:36,236
This is the album she made for Martin.
642
00:36:36,945 --> 00:36:38,988
All these articles about him.
643
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:46,621
She was very proud of him,
very supportive.
644
00:36:49,165 --> 00:36:51,583
My father came to a show once.
645
00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:54,796
And I remember that
it wasn't a terribly fun night.
646
00:36:57,173 --> 00:37:00,343
It was always such a struggle for Martin
647
00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:03,012
whenever his father was around.
648
00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:09,060
There was such competition
with he and his father, in an odd way.
649
00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:11,354
That's what I saw.
650
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,816
I think his father was envious of Martin.
651
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:19,404
By not getting
any recognition from his father,
652
00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:22,364
he got it from other people.
653
00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:24,158
Thank you. Wow.
654
00:37:24,993 --> 00:37:27,620
Maybe that's what drove him
to be an entertainer.
655
00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:29,998
Thank you very, very much.
656
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:34,918
When Fernwood hit,
you were still performing.
657
00:37:34,919 --> 00:37:38,839
- Yes.
- I'd assume that your audience exploded.
658
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,592
Once Fernwood 2 Night was on,
yeah, the concert audience grew.
659
00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:45,430
I was playing some pretty big places.
660
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:50,017
I still have my furniture on stage,
my EasyChair, my ashtray.
661
00:37:50,018 --> 00:37:53,855
I always, at that time,
had at least that many fingers of scotch.
662
00:37:54,814 --> 00:37:56,232
Time for another break.
663
00:37:56,816 --> 00:37:58,483
Ooh. Hear that?
664
00:37:58,484 --> 00:38:01,696
Sounds like a Latin band, doesn't it?
665
00:38:02,739 --> 00:38:03,947
I got real good at it.
666
00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:07,743
I found that a quart of scotch could take
the edge off even the most troubling day.
667
00:38:07,744 --> 00:38:09,995
- The road does that to a lot of people.
- Oh, yeah.
668
00:38:09,996 --> 00:38:11,706
The road giveth and the road taketh away.
669
00:38:13,916 --> 00:38:16,460
He could drink all day
and still go on stage.
670
00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:19,087
How many of you have
ever stopped to think that man
671
00:38:19,088 --> 00:38:21,631
is the only animal
672
00:38:21,632 --> 00:38:23,801
that eats the ice in his drink?
673
00:38:25,553 --> 00:38:27,304
He loved his booze.
674
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:29,724
I mean, if you look at those,
he is hammered.
675
00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:32,393
It was a persona.
676
00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:35,229
And he played it well. He did it well.
677
00:38:35,813 --> 00:38:38,024
It's how he coped.
678
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:43,988
There was a romantic quality
to the smoker-drinker artist.
679
00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:47,616
And it just seemed like
it was part of the makeup.
680
00:38:47,617 --> 00:38:48,951
Part of your costume.
681
00:38:49,952 --> 00:38:54,164
I'm not going out there alone.
I'm gonna have my drink and my cigarette.
682
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:57,210
And so what happens is
the booze starts to take over.
683
00:38:58,378 --> 00:39:02,423
And around then, he became totally
enamored of this woman, Sandra Baker.
684
00:39:03,257 --> 00:39:06,510
She was the costume designer on a show,
and she was fitting me for suits.
685
00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:08,720
Well, it really works.
686
00:39:08,721 --> 00:39:10,515
Yeah, I think so. They fit great.
687
00:39:12,058 --> 00:39:13,810
They decided to get married.
688
00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:16,604
And we knew this was a horrible match.
689
00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:20,857
He had a bachelor's night, and he said,
"You know, what do you guys think?"
690
00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:23,068
And nobody would speak out.
691
00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:26,780
Nobody would say anything like,
"This isn't the best idea, Martin."
692
00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:30,076
But because Martin,
when he falls in love, he falls in love.
693
00:39:31,828 --> 00:39:34,247
And it was miserable in this marriage.
694
00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:37,917
{\an8}But Martin really was
doing well professionally.
695
00:39:38,918 --> 00:39:40,128
{\an8}He made a movie,
696
00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:43,423
{\an8}and Martin and the female star
became an item.
697
00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:48,553
That's the only time
I think Martin stepped out on a marriage.
698
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,056
When Sandra found out about it,
699
00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:54,475
she wanted a divorce.
700
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:57,937
After his marriage broke up...
701
00:39:59,439 --> 00:40:01,190
that was serious drinking.
702
00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:06,528
And all during that time,
703
00:40:06,529 --> 00:40:10,031
were you on a hiatus from painting,
or were you painting as well?
704
00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:11,075
I was painting.
705
00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:13,077
Never stopped.
706
00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:17,582
Even when I was on Fernwood 2 Night,
I would take my watercolors with me.
707
00:40:18,916 --> 00:40:22,003
And as much as I was
earning my living from the other...
708
00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:25,882
painting always seemed to me
to be job one.
709
00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,718
And that was kind of
a tricky thing to balance,
710
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,056
because I think I was pretty much
what they call a functioning alcoholic.
711
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,392
It was just habitual.
712
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:41,731
In fact, I was still drinking scotch
when I did this painting here.
713
00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:46,277
This is an airbrush painting of
our dog Lucky, who we miss terribly.
714
00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:49,447
But this was all done spraying.
715
00:40:56,496 --> 00:41:00,415
You have distinct phases in your art.
716
00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:01,708
True.
717
00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:04,085
One is the painting on cels.
718
00:41:04,086 --> 00:41:06,464
- Right.
- Then you have photorealism.
719
00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:10,134
- Right.
- And I have a couple of those.
720
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,348
One of the reasons I was doing these
incredibly intricate photo-real things
721
00:41:16,349 --> 00:41:18,266
was to prove I'm not drunk.
722
00:41:18,267 --> 00:41:21,520
- Right.
- You can't do that and be drunk.
723
00:41:21,521 --> 00:41:22,438
No, no, no.
724
00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:26,650
Once I started doing
the airbrush paintings,
725
00:41:26,651 --> 00:41:29,611
I would start to sell
just a little bit more,
726
00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:32,739
but it certainly wasn't a huge moneymaker.
727
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:35,576
And yet I could do what I wanted to do
728
00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:40,247
because I had this other golden goose
that was laying eggs for me.
729
00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:42,123
Would you welcome Martin Mull.
730
00:41:42,124 --> 00:41:43,918
Martin Mull!
731
00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:50,340
Do you consider yourself an entertainer
who paints or a painter who entertains?
732
00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:52,300
Great question. Gee, that's terrific.
733
00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:54,595
Well, um, I'll answer both of you. Uh...
734
00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:59,599
More of a painter
who does the entertainment industry.
735
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,517
I see.
736
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:04,271
So many appearances you made
on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson.
737
00:42:04,272 --> 00:42:09,568
And he was very proud of saying
he's a great actor, he's a great comedian,
738
00:42:09,569 --> 00:42:11,778
um, and he's also a great artist.
739
00:42:11,779 --> 00:42:13,613
What price range would we be discussing?
740
00:42:13,614 --> 00:42:18,160
A really good friend getting a great deal,
at about five to $6,000 apiece.
741
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:22,415
Suppose I don't want a background.
742
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:30,130
Watching the Carson appearances,
he always asked Martin about his art,
743
00:42:30,131 --> 00:42:33,092
and I think he's the only one
who always asked about it.
744
00:42:34,635 --> 00:42:36,344
Carson really loved being a drummer,
745
00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:39,973
{\an8}and because he became Johnny Carson,
he didn't get to drum very much.
746
00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:43,685
{\an8}I think he understood what it's like
to have these two passions.
747
00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:46,396
No sky and no background, and one coat.
748
00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:48,148
Well, I got...
749
00:42:48,149 --> 00:42:50,817
Johnny Carson was just so supportive,
750
00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:53,987
and I ultimately
was actually asked to guest host,
751
00:42:53,988 --> 00:42:55,740
which is a terrifying moment.
752
00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:58,241
Nothing was worse than when
753
00:42:58,242 --> 00:43:00,910
you're standing backstage
at The Tonight Show and you hear,
754
00:43:00,911 --> 00:43:04,247
- And now, here's...
- "And now, here's..."
755
00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,374
There's one word that follows.
756
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:07,376
- Johnny!
- Johnny!
757
00:43:09,629 --> 00:43:11,379
And when you hear, "Here's..."
758
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:13,591
Here's Martin Mull!
759
00:43:14,175 --> 00:43:16,344
It sounds so wrong.
760
00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:22,599
You think there's been
this big fuck-up in the cosmos.
761
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,184
Everything is wrong.
762
00:43:24,185 --> 00:43:28,730
I want my mom just in case
I literally or figuratively shit my pants.
763
00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:30,940
Thank you, thank you!
764
00:43:30,941 --> 00:43:34,737
But I went out there, stood
on that friggin' star, and did my job.
765
00:43:35,321 --> 00:43:36,696
I got through it.
766
00:43:36,697 --> 00:43:39,991
The people here at NBC
have decided to bestow upon me
767
00:43:39,992 --> 00:43:43,536
one of the highest honors
I think our industry has to offer.
768
00:43:43,537 --> 00:43:45,330
The right to host The Tonight Show
769
00:43:45,331 --> 00:43:46,457
for $300.
770
00:43:48,709 --> 00:43:52,379
Johnny's guest host tonight
is Martin Mull.
771
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:54,047
To host The Tonight Show
772
00:43:54,048 --> 00:43:57,425
and all the different personalities
and different people coming at you,
773
00:43:57,426 --> 00:43:59,678
and then you have to have a response.
774
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:01,680
He was a nervous wreck.
775
00:44:01,681 --> 00:44:03,807
That's why he drank, probably.
776
00:44:03,808 --> 00:44:05,684
Do you do anything you don't want to do?
777
00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:07,769
I don't exercise. I don't believe in it.
778
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:09,062
I've tried jogging,
779
00:44:09,063 --> 00:44:12,066
and the ice flies out of your drink,
and it's ridiculous.
780
00:44:13,401 --> 00:44:17,445
The Tonight Show was
the launch pad for comedians.
781
00:44:17,446 --> 00:44:18,864
Period. That was it.
782
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:20,990
Thank you!
783
00:44:20,991 --> 00:44:23,034
I remember him being a guest, but I never...
784
00:44:23,035 --> 00:44:24,786
- He guest hosted The Tonight Show?
- Yeah.
785
00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:26,121
Over 30 times.
786
00:44:26,122 --> 00:44:27,205
But wait a minute.
787
00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:31,209
Because his whole thing was
making fun of the talk show format.
788
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:32,503
How did that go?
789
00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:35,296
A new fad was developing in this country.
790
00:44:35,297 --> 00:44:37,717
It's called a wet T-shirt contest.
791
00:44:38,592 --> 00:44:42,804
It's in no way intended
to sponsor prurient interest or to...
792
00:44:42,805 --> 00:44:45,975
I was gonna say "titillate the audience."
I don't think that's the...
793
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,437
- One, two...
- One, two, three!
794
00:44:50,438 --> 00:44:52,731
All right.
Would you choose a wet T-shirt, please?
795
00:44:52,732 --> 00:44:53,816
- Here we go.
- Okay.
796
00:44:54,608 --> 00:44:58,486
There's one. Now we're gonna wring
that one out in here, see how wet it is.
797
00:44:58,487 --> 00:44:59,529
Okay!
798
00:44:59,530 --> 00:45:01,573
Do you have him
when he plays with B.B. King?
799
00:45:01,574 --> 00:45:02,532
Oh, my God.
800
00:45:02,533 --> 00:45:06,494
I'm sitting with B.B. King, I'm absolutely
as nervous as a small young bird
801
00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:09,080
because this is
one of the giants in my life.
802
00:45:09,081 --> 00:45:11,332
One other question.
Can we play a tune together?
803
00:45:11,333 --> 00:45:13,169
- I'd like to do that.
- Okay, let's do it.
804
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,134
I think it's the ballsiest move ever,
to play on television with B.B. King.
805
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:31,102
You always feel like
this little snot-nosed kid
806
00:45:31,103 --> 00:45:33,646
next to these people that
really know what they're doing.
807
00:45:33,647 --> 00:45:35,483
You had to be on top of your game.
808
00:45:40,321 --> 00:45:43,699
You cannot do higher
than hosting The Tonight Show.
809
00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:45,993
But Martin Mull...
810
00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:51,123
He was a hugely successful comedy star
and wanted to be a painter.
811
00:45:53,375 --> 00:45:58,005
So he was just in the wrong place
in kind of a beautiful way.
812
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,352
I think The Tonight Show
was a very big deal.
813
00:46:12,353 --> 00:46:14,939
You reach an awful lot of people
with a show like that.
814
00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:19,735
And so that just started a snowball effect
that was quite amazing.
815
00:46:20,236 --> 00:46:22,905
- All of a sudden, work starts pouring in.
- Yeah.
816
00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:25,533
Oh, Lord, Mommy.
817
00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:31,162
Let me tell you what we have so far.
We have a script.
818
00:46:31,163 --> 00:46:32,247
You can count me in.
819
00:46:32,248 --> 00:46:33,582
But not a particularly good one.
820
00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:35,667
You will like this film.
821
00:46:35,668 --> 00:46:38,878
It just doesn't have any, um... guts.
822
00:46:38,879 --> 00:46:42,173
- You were in many films and TV shows.
- Yeah.
823
00:46:42,174 --> 00:46:45,802
{\an8}Oh, come on. Nobody takes it seriously.
It's just good, clean fun.
824
00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:47,720
{\an8}- Many.
- He's dead.
825
00:46:47,721 --> 00:46:48,764
{\an8}He is?
826
00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:51,725
{\an8}Yes. I have a resume.
827
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:53,936
{\an8}And the service was...
828
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:55,854
{\an8}adequate.
829
00:46:55,855 --> 00:46:57,856
You played an asshole a lot.
830
00:46:57,857 --> 00:46:59,107
{\an8}What?
831
00:46:59,108 --> 00:47:00,775
{\an8}Why do you think that is?
832
00:47:00,776 --> 00:47:03,570
That came really out of my stage act,
833
00:47:03,571 --> 00:47:06,823
that that persona was a bit of a butthole.
834
00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:09,827
So when roles like that came along,
they go, "I know the guy."
835
00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:16,000
{\an8}But it never says "asshole" on the check.
836
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:18,586
That is how I made all my money.
837
00:47:19,461 --> 00:47:21,963
That does not make me a murderer!
838
00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:25,675
But Clue, for instance,
came and went in a breath,
839
00:47:25,676 --> 00:47:29,220
and then later on has experienced
some kind of resurgence,
840
00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:31,180
that people like that movie now.
841
00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:34,559
How did you know Col. Mustard works
in Washington? Is he one of your clients?
842
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,852
Certainly not.
843
00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:39,439
{\an8}He always did his homework to make
this movie, talking a mile a minute,
844
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,442
{\an8}and figuring things out,
setting a joke up to do that gag.
845
00:47:42,443 --> 00:47:45,779
All that stuff. He knew what he was doing,
and he's very funny in the film.
846
00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:49,198
He was that dude, when he would pop up...
847
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:50,658
Well, hello down there.
848
00:47:50,659 --> 00:47:52,577
...it was always a pleasant surprise.
849
00:47:52,578 --> 00:47:53,620
Want a beer?
850
00:47:53,621 --> 00:47:55,039
It's seven o'clock in the morning.
851
00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:58,083
He always makes it better.
852
00:47:59,585 --> 00:48:01,669
{\an8}I worked with him on Ski Patrol.
853
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:04,839
I'm stuck on a goddamn runaway weenie!
854
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:05,840
Hey!
855
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:10,094
I would talk to him, and he'd say to me,
"I only do this to... so that I can paint."
856
00:48:10,095 --> 00:48:11,305
I was like, "Wait, what?"
857
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:16,768
In my heart, there was a great divide
858
00:48:16,769 --> 00:48:20,647
between that which I did
to put a roof over our heads,
859
00:48:20,648 --> 00:48:22,690
i.e. television and movies,
860
00:48:22,691 --> 00:48:23,733
and my painting.
861
00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:26,320
One is one hat,
and the other is the other hat.
862
00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:30,615
They're all separate lives, in a way,
863
00:48:30,616 --> 00:48:32,618
each one with its own identity.
864
00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:35,662
And I felt schizophrenic.
865
00:48:35,663 --> 00:48:39,040
Oh, yeah, make no doubt about it,
I am schizophrenic, but it's, um...
866
00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:40,833
I think it's the only way to be, and...
867
00:48:40,834 --> 00:48:43,462
We're very happy men, aren't I?
Well, I know I am.
868
00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:47,591
It was a means toward an end,
869
00:48:48,258 --> 00:48:51,177
the end being that
I can continue to be this hippie
870
00:48:51,178 --> 00:48:53,137
that paints pictures all the time.
871
00:48:53,138 --> 00:48:55,431
So I was certainly not gonna
turn my back on that,
872
00:48:55,432 --> 00:48:57,601
and it just kept growing
and growing and growing.
873
00:48:58,102 --> 00:49:01,271
And why look a gift horse in the mouth?
I kept doing it.
874
00:49:01,772 --> 00:49:03,524
Please meet Martin Mull.
875
00:49:07,152 --> 00:49:10,113
- Hey, hey there. Hiya, Marty, old buddy.
- Dicky.
876
00:49:10,114 --> 00:49:11,739
Hey, Tom.
877
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:14,742
- How you doing?
- I'm good, thanks for the toast earlier.
878
00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:16,661
- That's wonderful.
- Was it? Okay.
879
00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:19,622
- You think... You're all right?
- I was... I was nerv...
880
00:49:19,623 --> 00:49:21,499
I was nervous about... playing piano.
881
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,960
- No, it's all right.
- But... Tommy said have this.
882
00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:26,212
- I'll play piano all right.
- You're our guest.
883
00:49:26,213 --> 00:49:29,717
Despite the fact that
he was doing TV and Carson,
884
00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:32,093
Martin was really suffering.
885
00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:34,138
And he cratered.
886
00:49:39,018 --> 00:49:41,103
Oh, there's a bunch of 'em.
887
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:45,899
And Wendy was in
a difficult situation with another guy.
888
00:49:46,942 --> 00:49:51,154
No use denying
I'm there where the juice is
889
00:49:51,155 --> 00:49:55,366
Alcohol abuse is okay by me
890
00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:57,076
It was pretty bad.
891
00:49:57,077 --> 00:50:00,247
They were broken psychologically.
Yeah. Yeah.
892
00:50:02,458 --> 00:50:08,756
At that time, I was in a terribly
unhealthy relationship with this guy.
893
00:50:10,841 --> 00:50:12,300
Terribly unhealthy.
894
00:50:12,301 --> 00:50:18,015
And Martin's brokenness,
he never expressed it much to me.
895
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:23,394
So what are you finding out about Martin?
896
00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:25,605
That's why we're talking to you!
897
00:50:25,606 --> 00:50:29,442
- Well, at that point...
- We were not an item.
898
00:50:29,443 --> 00:50:31,694
- We were not an item.
- You were a hired gun.
899
00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:34,113
- Yes.
- And we became very good friends.
900
00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:37,742
Yeah, and then it took a while.
We had a few relationships to go through.
901
00:50:37,743 --> 00:50:40,369
Yeah, she was with someone,
and I was with someone,
902
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:42,247
and then both of those fell apart.
903
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:46,000
And we'd call each other
just 'cause we were friends.
904
00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:48,961
We were good friends.
And I said, "What are you doing tonight?"
905
00:50:48,962 --> 00:50:53,091
And she said... You had been set up
on a blind date to go to the Magic Castle.
906
00:50:53,092 --> 00:50:54,717
That's right.
907
00:50:54,718 --> 00:50:57,471
And she didn't sound
terribly excited about it.
908
00:50:59,139 --> 00:51:00,973
I said, "It's Monday Night Football."
909
00:51:00,974 --> 00:51:04,603
"For God's sake, you gotta come over
and watch Monday Night Football with me."
910
00:51:05,229 --> 00:51:07,688
And you said something to the effect of,
911
00:51:07,689 --> 00:51:12,026
{\an8}"Well, it's not gonna be that good
because Drew Pearson is hurt."
912
00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:13,820
Touchdown!
913
00:51:13,821 --> 00:51:15,447
Blew my fucking mind.
914
00:51:16,698 --> 00:51:20,034
Here's somebody who's
absolutely beautiful, smart as a whip,
915
00:51:20,035 --> 00:51:24,872
talented as can be, fun to be around,
and knows football! So...
916
00:51:24,873 --> 00:51:26,583
- That was it.
- That was it.
917
00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:28,126
- Yeah.
- 1980.
918
00:51:28,127 --> 00:51:29,419
{\an8}1980.
919
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:35,216
It was so comfortable
to be back with Martin,
920
00:51:35,217 --> 00:51:37,219
almost like being on the road.
921
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:39,847
Why look any further?
922
00:51:40,681 --> 00:51:43,642
And it just grew
and grew and grew, and, uh...
923
00:51:44,226 --> 00:51:46,019
shortly thereafter, we were married.
924
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:56,113
I was older.
925
00:51:56,822 --> 00:51:58,073
He was older.
926
00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:01,242
And we were having a ball together.
927
00:52:01,243 --> 00:52:03,495
Martin Mull and his wife, Wendy.
928
00:52:06,331 --> 00:52:08,292
My domestic life is, um...
929
00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:10,543
almost embarrassingly good.
930
00:52:10,544 --> 00:52:11,460
Really?
931
00:52:11,461 --> 00:52:14,339
Yeah, my wife is
just one of these people that...
932
00:52:14,965 --> 00:52:17,634
- I don't know. Some... She's perfect.
- Really?
933
00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:22,680
We were on the road,
drinking it up, yukking it up.
934
00:52:22,681 --> 00:52:25,224
You know,
I say my one in a million, and she is.
935
00:52:25,225 --> 00:52:29,520
But wouldn't that mean there's 260 just
like you in this country alone, honey?
936
00:52:29,521 --> 00:52:31,606
Oh, not to mention China, darling.
937
00:52:31,607 --> 00:52:33,609
Oh, we better not.
938
00:52:35,277 --> 00:52:40,282
And I don't know
when we decided to settle in to...
939
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,076
what's considered a "normal" life.
940
00:52:44,036 --> 00:52:45,871
- I wanted kids.
- Yeah.
941
00:52:46,413 --> 00:52:48,373
I think that was the switch.
942
00:52:50,459 --> 00:52:52,836
But he was still drinking.
943
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:57,424
No doubt about it, he was drinking.
He was working constantly.
944
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:02,471
And somewhere in his brain,
something scared him.
945
00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:08,142
I just kept pushing myself
and pushing myself.
946
00:53:08,143 --> 00:53:10,270
You know, I was not terribly healthy.
947
00:53:11,313 --> 00:53:14,524
I did have a liver that was
probably approaching statehood.
948
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,986
It just became time to quit.
949
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:20,656
And I didn't really know how.
950
00:53:22,407 --> 00:53:27,245
I went in to see my doctor,
and he said, "When you leave here today,
951
00:53:27,246 --> 00:53:28,788
what are you gonna do?"
952
00:53:28,789 --> 00:53:32,459
I said, "Honestly, David,
I'm gonna probably have a cocktail."
953
00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:35,419
He said, "Good, that's a great idea."
954
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:39,549
He said, "Have your favorite cocktail
in your favorite glass."
955
00:53:41,134 --> 00:53:44,346
"And enjoy the hell out of it,
knowing it's your last."
956
00:53:45,264 --> 00:53:52,144
And for some reason, the simplicity
of that statement resonated.
957
00:53:52,145 --> 00:53:54,897
And I said, "You know what?
That's exactly what I'm gonna do,"
958
00:53:54,898 --> 00:53:56,483
and it's exactly what I did.
959
00:53:58,068 --> 00:54:00,237
And it's been 35 years.
960
00:54:03,198 --> 00:54:04,448
Okay.
961
00:54:04,449 --> 00:54:07,327
She has her good mood hat on!
962
00:54:07,953 --> 00:54:12,373
And your whole life changed in '85,
'cause you stopped the road at that point.
963
00:54:12,374 --> 00:54:13,916
I was sick of the road.
964
00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:15,294
Okay, bear with me.
965
00:54:15,877 --> 00:54:20,631
A lot of my stuff after 15, 17 years of
doing the same song over and over again
966
00:54:20,632 --> 00:54:21,882
started to become rote.
967
00:54:21,883 --> 00:54:23,552
Okay!
968
00:54:25,304 --> 00:54:28,681
And also, I didn't want to be one
of these people that was out, you know,
969
00:54:28,682 --> 00:54:32,893
working at a club somewhere and get a call
from Wendy saying, "Oh, she's walking."
970
00:54:32,894 --> 00:54:34,438
You know, I wanted to see that.
971
00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:36,690
Look who's home early!
972
00:54:37,232 --> 00:54:38,357
Willy Loman!
973
00:54:38,358 --> 00:54:40,401
Something must have clicked in him,
974
00:54:40,402 --> 00:54:44,238
and he just decided
what his real passion was.
975
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,657
Whoa!
976
00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:49,744
My mind didn't change
when I stopped drinking,
977
00:54:49,745 --> 00:54:52,872
but I thought I was not thinking
big-picture enough.
978
00:54:52,873 --> 00:54:55,875
- New Year's resolutions, on tape?
- Yeah, I'm gonna...
979
00:54:55,876 --> 00:54:58,211
I'm going to become a painter.
980
00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:02,381
Support my family through art.
981
00:55:02,382 --> 00:55:04,550
All right. I like that. Really?
982
00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:06,552
- Yeah.
- That's a big one.
983
00:55:06,553 --> 00:55:11,474
Look out, world
You're going to hear from me
984
00:55:11,475 --> 00:55:15,228
Because there's a whole challenge
Out there
985
00:55:16,563 --> 00:55:18,731
People that take their painting seriously
986
00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:21,693
and are full-time painters
have a proper place to work,
987
00:55:22,361 --> 00:55:24,363
and I've often wanted that.
988
00:55:26,823 --> 00:55:29,283
It was a three-car garage
when we bought the place.
989
00:55:29,284 --> 00:55:32,788
We tore the whole thing down,
rebuilt it, and built a studio.
990
00:55:34,206 --> 00:55:38,125
{\an8}His studio window was, like,
directly across from my bedroom window.
991
00:55:38,126 --> 00:55:40,253
{\an8}I'd go to my window,
and the light would be on.
992
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,423
I mean, he was always in his studio.
993
00:55:43,965 --> 00:55:45,509
He was always working.
994
00:55:46,468 --> 00:55:51,013
My earliest memories of my dad
are going up to his art studio...
995
00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:52,640
More blue? Yes.
996
00:55:52,641 --> 00:55:56,520
{\an8}... where he made up this game
called Scribble Scrabble.
997
00:55:57,521 --> 00:55:59,188
{\an8}He would draw an abstract scribble,
998
00:55:59,189 --> 00:56:02,442
and I would have to
turn it into something figurative.
999
00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:08,949
I think my dad communicates best...
1000
00:56:10,492 --> 00:56:11,868
through his paintings.
1001
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,871
{\an8}And so the game was important.
1002
00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:18,458
{\an8}It was a way of communicating with him...
1003
00:56:20,752 --> 00:56:22,254
And I still draw like that too.
1004
00:56:22,921 --> 00:56:24,713
So I guess it makes perfect sense
1005
00:56:24,714 --> 00:56:28,301
that I'm kind of doing
exactly the same things he used to do.
1006
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,429
{\an8}Maggie's extraordinary.
1007
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:34,808
{\an8}And she is extremely funny
1008
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:36,977
{\an8}and dark.
1009
00:56:37,644 --> 00:56:41,021
{\an8}So, she would be one of your biggest
accomplishments of your life.
1010
00:56:41,022 --> 00:56:44,442
She's not an accomplishment of mine.
She's... She's Maggie.
1011
00:56:44,443 --> 00:56:46,819
I'm with my daughter, Maggie,
and I'm with Barkley.
1012
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:51,408
And that's just a totally unique thing
that's happened on this earth.
1013
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,537
Over the years,
I've seen a lot of his artwork,
1014
00:56:56,538 --> 00:56:58,372
and I've seen it change a lot.
1015
00:56:58,373 --> 00:57:02,461
I think once he stopped drinking,
he went inward.
1016
00:57:04,087 --> 00:57:06,922
I just went right back
to square one again,
1017
00:57:06,923 --> 00:57:11,594
just doing a bunch of little drawings
just to keep my hand alive.
1018
00:57:11,595 --> 00:57:14,096
You know what's amazing about this to me,
1019
00:57:14,097 --> 00:57:17,183
is this is where some people would begin.
1020
00:57:17,184 --> 00:57:19,561
- Well, I began again.
- You began again.
1021
00:57:20,729 --> 00:57:23,522
Just went back to... paint on canvas,
1022
00:57:23,523 --> 00:57:25,232
just little bits and pieces,
1023
00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:27,902
very odd little things
of just certain imagery.
1024
00:57:27,903 --> 00:57:31,823
I don't know where it was coming from,
but it was back just trying to paint again
1025
00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:34,159
and come up with compositions.
1026
00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:36,744
Start everything over.
1027
00:57:36,745 --> 00:57:39,289
You got a new brain.
You got a new body. Start again.
1028
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:44,127
It was just a slow metamorphosis
of one thing into another.
1029
00:57:46,254 --> 00:57:51,259
There's an ambition
attached to that kind of profound change.
1030
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,221
At a young age, you enter your art-making.
1031
00:57:55,222 --> 00:57:58,350
You're imitating
and you're learning craft.
1032
00:57:59,142 --> 00:58:05,732
{\an8}And then all of a sudden,
you begin to embrace the deeply personal.
1033
00:58:07,025 --> 00:58:11,237
As an artist,
you want to be known for who you are,
1034
00:58:11,238 --> 00:58:14,783
and that starts with the artist
wanting to know who they are.
1035
00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:19,787
I grew up in this soft, white underbelly.
1036
00:58:19,788 --> 00:58:23,290
And as arrogant as this sounds,
1037
00:58:23,291 --> 00:58:26,710
I don't know of many artists
1038
00:58:26,711 --> 00:58:31,883
who have zeroed in on
my specific view of America.
1039
00:58:32,968 --> 00:58:36,929
And so to an extent,
I feel a little bit, maybe almost like--
1040
00:58:36,930 --> 00:58:38,430
And this is really pompous...
1041
00:58:38,431 --> 00:58:43,562
{\an8}Like Audubon, when he went out and said,
"My God, there are all these birds."
1042
00:58:44,062 --> 00:58:45,896
"We need a record of those."
1043
00:58:45,897 --> 00:58:48,149
So he started drawing the birds.
1044
00:58:50,402 --> 00:58:53,697
And there are times
when I feel exactly like that.
1045
00:58:54,906 --> 00:58:56,991
White people in America...
1046
00:58:56,992 --> 00:58:58,535
these are my birds.
1047
00:59:05,041 --> 00:59:07,127
How do you spot a white family?
1048
00:59:07,711 --> 00:59:10,754
Let's nose around a little bit and see
if we can't dig one up, shall we?
1049
00:59:10,755 --> 00:59:14,926
We're havin' a heck of a barbecue
1050
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:19,680
- We're hopin' you all come along
- Come along, now
1051
00:59:19,681 --> 00:59:23,642
White Americans run the proverbial gamut,
from the very rich and embarrassing
1052
00:59:23,643 --> 00:59:26,103
to the very poor... and embarrassing.
1053
00:59:26,104 --> 00:59:27,981
Yellow!
1054
00:59:28,773 --> 00:59:32,526
Do us a favor, will you? Will you stop
and pick us up some mayonnaise?
1055
00:59:32,527 --> 00:59:35,321
About, uh... about five jars'll do 'er.
1056
00:59:35,322 --> 00:59:39,199
It was a mockumentary about my heritage.
1057
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,952
Just as the baby bird must leave the nest,
1058
00:59:41,953 --> 00:59:45,372
so too must the white man open his eyes
1059
00:59:45,373 --> 00:59:47,750
to other cultures if he is to survive.
1060
00:59:47,751 --> 00:59:49,710
So let me get something straight, Sid.
1061
00:59:49,711 --> 00:59:53,464
The History of White People in America,
obviously making fun of the whole thing.
1062
00:59:53,465 --> 00:59:55,966
Hey, you got another little hat on
under that hat, huh?
1063
00:59:55,967 --> 00:59:57,301
This is a yarmulke.
1064
00:59:57,302 --> 00:59:58,927
Anything that commented on
1065
00:59:58,928 --> 01:00:02,765
the actual culture and society
that we lived in, we were all down for.
1066
01:00:02,766 --> 01:00:04,391
So no, all that shit was cool.
1067
01:00:04,392 --> 01:00:07,686
{\an8}I guess one of the biggest difficulties
in being white for me
1068
01:00:07,687 --> 01:00:10,856
{\an8}is being typecast in mostly white roles.
1069
01:00:10,857 --> 01:00:13,067
But I found one picture led to another,
1070
01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:16,362
and pretty soon I was known
as a white person.
1071
01:00:16,363 --> 01:00:19,740
Martin's audience was
tuned into Martin Mull
1072
01:00:19,741 --> 01:00:23,118
and the level of sarcasm
that he was doing.
1073
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,412
- Check!
- There you go, hon.
1074
01:00:25,413 --> 01:00:28,040
- Wait a minute, nobody ordered tax.
- Funny, honey.
1075
01:00:28,041 --> 01:00:31,877
I loved that, I loved being
part of that all-American family.
1076
01:00:31,878 --> 01:00:33,629
- It's what we grew up with.
- Exactly.
1077
01:00:33,630 --> 01:00:35,757
- We're both Northern Ohio boys.
- Yes, exactly.
1078
01:00:38,426 --> 01:00:40,719
I can't imagine how isolating that was
1079
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,807
to grow up in the world he grew up in,
and to know that, like,
1080
01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:48,770
"This isn't a place
where I can be who I am."
1081
01:00:49,354 --> 01:00:53,108
And I think that's something
he's struggled with his whole life.
1082
01:00:54,025 --> 01:01:00,073
While also saying, "This is the culture
I grew up in, and what do I do with that?"
1083
01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:03,617
And I think
in History of White People of America,
1084
01:01:03,618 --> 01:01:06,955
in his artwork,
my dad is looking for color.
1085
01:01:07,455 --> 01:01:09,331
That's kind of his hunt,
1086
01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:13,335
which is funny because,
you know, we're talking about
1087
01:01:13,336 --> 01:01:18,049
his looking at white people,
and I think he's seeking...
1088
01:01:20,635 --> 01:01:22,095
seeking something more.
1089
01:01:25,890 --> 01:01:29,477
So much happened to you
artistically in the '90s.
1090
01:01:29,978 --> 01:01:32,896
- There's a huge...
- A sea change, yeah.
1091
01:01:32,897 --> 01:01:34,273
Oh, my God.
1092
01:01:34,274 --> 01:01:37,192
I started moving
back into all these photos,
1093
01:01:37,193 --> 01:01:39,571
revisiting my life through photography
1094
01:01:41,197 --> 01:01:43,616
and making collages of various things...
1095
01:01:46,786 --> 01:01:48,829
and then started working from those.
1096
01:01:48,830 --> 01:01:53,334
And that's something I've been doing
for the better part of the last 15 years.
1097
01:01:56,629 --> 01:02:00,550
It was amazing how just some of
these pictures would just spark me.
1098
01:02:01,718 --> 01:02:06,222
I would deconstruct them
and then reassemble those parts.
1099
01:02:09,768 --> 01:02:13,396
A lot of the paintings come out of,
quote, "the American Dream."
1100
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:16,857
But it's also a promissory note, saying,
1101
01:02:16,858 --> 01:02:20,278
"If you live your life well,
if you follow the rules,
1102
01:02:20,862 --> 01:02:22,238
you will do well."
1103
01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:26,910
And yet it's not all true.
1104
01:02:27,786 --> 01:02:31,246
There are blemishes,
there are the peripheries,
1105
01:02:31,247 --> 01:02:34,626
the fractures, the hairline fractures
in some of the bones.
1106
01:02:43,885 --> 01:02:47,554
Martin's showing you
where the promises and the failures
1107
01:02:47,555 --> 01:02:50,558
are happening on a moment-to-moment basis.
1108
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,481
You don't go to the terror,
you don't go to those places...
1109
01:02:58,274 --> 01:03:02,821
unless you desperately want
somebody else to see it and connect to it.
1110
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:10,245
Well, I think that most genius
does come out of some kind of wounding.
1111
01:03:11,621 --> 01:03:16,584
And I think those things drive us
in ways that are part of our success.
1112
01:03:19,379 --> 01:03:21,673
I think I... I'm gonna have to, uh...
1113
01:03:23,049 --> 01:03:27,970
kind of drift into the dark side here
a little bit of our, uh... childhood.
1114
01:03:27,971 --> 01:03:30,014
Uh... my dad was awful.
1115
01:03:30,682 --> 01:03:34,393
Um, he showed, uh, no affection, emotion...
1116
01:03:34,394 --> 01:03:36,520
beat me... you know...
1117
01:03:36,521 --> 01:03:39,732
He... was not a... not a nice guy.
1118
01:03:42,110 --> 01:03:45,904
It actually got pretty ugly.
There was a lot of violence.
1119
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:48,407
And David got the brunt
of my father's anger,
1120
01:03:48,408 --> 01:03:51,411
and I think he just got
the short end of the stick.
1121
01:03:52,328 --> 01:03:54,204
And I think it was hard on Martin,
1122
01:03:54,205 --> 01:03:57,375
having to see David be
the scapegoat of my father's insecurity.
1123
01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:01,753
And to Marty, my dad was just distant,
1124
01:04:01,754 --> 01:04:06,718
and he never got any feelings
of affection or closeness.
1125
01:04:07,218 --> 01:04:10,512
In fact, Marty used to say... he said, uh...
1126
01:04:10,513 --> 01:04:13,016
"Well, at least Dad loved you
enough to beat you."
1127
01:04:15,393 --> 01:04:18,479
Which, that's pretty, uh... condemning.
1128
01:04:19,981 --> 01:04:24,235
Martin held a lot of resentment,
which was coming out in his artwork.
1129
01:04:28,072 --> 01:04:29,991
Oh, it looks like it would be, uh,
1130
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:33,286
our father going to work.
1131
01:04:33,912 --> 01:04:36,830
Not even having any awareness
of the accomplishment
1132
01:04:36,831 --> 01:04:39,167
of the guy up there hanging from the wire.
1133
01:04:40,668 --> 01:04:44,880
That's what, uh, it would have
been like for my, uh... brother.
1134
01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:48,343
You know, trying to get recognition
from his father, which he never did.
1135
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,014
If you look at his paintings...
1136
01:04:53,723 --> 01:04:56,351
there's always a little boy in it.
1137
01:04:57,185 --> 01:04:59,979
And it's not Martin, but it is Martin.
1138
01:05:00,605 --> 01:05:02,273
I mean, they're all self-portraits.
1139
01:05:09,072 --> 01:05:12,574
As I get older,
and especially when I quit drinking,
1140
01:05:12,575 --> 01:05:16,954
I realized... the making of my paintings
1141
01:05:16,955 --> 01:05:19,415
is me letting go.
1142
01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:24,711
And there's a reason why there's
a wood frame sometimes around it.
1143
01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:26,004
It's a casket.
1144
01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:27,881
It's a... It's a grave.
1145
01:05:27,882 --> 01:05:31,677
It's a box that you put it in, because it...
1146
01:05:31,678 --> 01:05:34,764
It died... when it... when it left me.
1147
01:05:36,265 --> 01:05:38,934
And that's how I see all these paintings,
1148
01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:42,021
that this was a life
that I was allowed to walk through.
1149
01:05:43,606 --> 01:05:45,483
It's the one I was led into.
1150
01:05:46,693 --> 01:05:47,986
And I realized...
1151
01:05:49,153 --> 01:05:51,154
if you're not putting your...
1152
01:05:51,155 --> 01:05:55,159
your deepest, innerest parts,
et cetera, into your work...
1153
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,163
then you're not doing your job.
1154
01:06:02,667 --> 01:06:04,085
It's all right
1155
01:06:05,128 --> 01:06:07,046
to paint like that.
1156
01:06:14,178 --> 01:06:17,514
I just know that
I'm going to be in the studio
1157
01:06:17,515 --> 01:06:21,560
from seven-thirty, eight o'clock
in the morning until four o'clock,
1158
01:06:21,561 --> 01:06:23,770
or whatever time a game comes on,
1159
01:06:23,771 --> 01:06:25,313
and work straight through.
1160
01:06:25,314 --> 01:06:30,110
I don't know what I'm gonna do that day,
I don't know what I'll work on,
1161
01:06:30,111 --> 01:06:33,572
but I know something will happen,
and I'll just start going through...
1162
01:06:33,573 --> 01:06:36,241
tear sheets and old photos
1163
01:06:36,242 --> 01:06:38,368
until something strikes me.
1164
01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:41,956
And then something
will happen that I didn't expect.
1165
01:06:42,457 --> 01:06:43,374
And when...
1166
01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:47,586
When that happens,
when you do something you didn't expect,
1167
01:06:47,587 --> 01:06:48,838
that's... that's heaven.
1168
01:06:50,298 --> 01:06:53,217
You're just following orders,
you're at work.
1169
01:06:55,136 --> 01:06:59,222
I always thought
that you have an artist's solitary aura.
1170
01:06:59,223 --> 01:07:00,432
Yeah.
1171
01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:03,226
You're very happy up there
painting all day.
1172
01:07:03,227 --> 01:07:04,895
I am until I'm not.
1173
01:07:04,896 --> 01:07:08,232
- Mm-hmm. And then what happens?
- And then, what's been great is...
1174
01:07:09,233 --> 01:07:12,278
then I get to go be on a TV show
or in a movie.
1175
01:07:15,698 --> 01:07:18,200
{\an8}Did you hear that?
Roseanne will plan it for free.
1176
01:07:18,201 --> 01:07:21,036
{\an8}Of course, we'll have Roseanne
plan our wedding.
1177
01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:23,163
You know, I've always
dreamed of a ceremony
1178
01:07:23,164 --> 01:07:25,124
that would culminate in a hog fry.
1179
01:07:26,834 --> 01:07:29,712
I loved being your lover
on the Roseanne show.
1180
01:07:30,296 --> 01:07:33,215
Yeah, I think I said,
"Let me look at my daily planner."
1181
01:07:33,216 --> 01:07:35,301
- "Yep, I'm free for the next year."
- Yeah.
1182
01:07:36,511 --> 01:07:41,556
{\an8}To play an out character
on a top-ten TV show
1183
01:07:41,557 --> 01:07:43,934
was certainly not a safe bet.
1184
01:07:43,935 --> 01:07:46,895
Some people might have balked
at doing it, but not Martin.
1185
01:07:46,896 --> 01:07:48,688
- Didn't Roseanne tell you?
- Tell me what?
1186
01:07:48,689 --> 01:07:49,899
That I'm gay.
1187
01:07:53,653 --> 01:07:57,697
I said, "I don't want
to play him as a caricature."
1188
01:07:57,698 --> 01:08:01,244
Because to me, one's sexual preference
doesn't mean a shit.
1189
01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:03,870
We played it dead straight.
1190
01:08:03,871 --> 01:08:06,498
It would've been easy
to camp it up and make fun of it.
1191
01:08:06,499 --> 01:08:10,044
But I remember, we were
the first gay marriage on television.
1192
01:08:10,795 --> 01:08:13,172
And that show really meant a lot to me.
1193
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:19,637
But I've been very lucky in that
almost everything I've done has been fun.
1194
01:08:20,847 --> 01:08:24,724
I'll never forget my prom,
dancing with Stacey Williams.
1195
01:08:24,725 --> 01:08:28,562
That girl could move her body
in ways I've never seen before.
1196
01:08:28,563 --> 01:08:30,398
She was epileptic, but still.
1197
01:08:32,567 --> 01:08:37,487
And one of the charms of working
in show business, as well as doing this,
1198
01:08:37,488 --> 01:08:40,157
is that one is a therapist for the other.
1199
01:08:40,158 --> 01:08:44,412
{\an8}I can't remember the last time
that I felt this free and happy.
1200
01:08:45,496 --> 01:08:47,622
I could be thinking about painting
while I'm acting.
1201
01:08:47,623 --> 01:08:50,501
{\an8}Look at Martin Mull, sitting there.
1202
01:08:52,336 --> 01:08:55,505
And I'm fortunate enough
with my other career
1203
01:08:55,506 --> 01:08:57,507
that if I never sell this,
1204
01:08:57,508 --> 01:09:00,178
Wendy and I will still have food tonight.
1205
01:09:01,095 --> 01:09:05,432
Martin has that career that I aspire to.
1206
01:09:05,433 --> 01:09:09,978
He was professional, he was on time,
and then he was like a comedy assassin.
1207
01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:11,771
{\an8}Yes, Pam made a cake.
1208
01:09:11,772 --> 01:09:14,609
{\an8}Or as we like to think of it,
a desperate cry for help.
1209
01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:18,695
He would do a scene,
people would lose their minds,
1210
01:09:18,696 --> 01:09:21,615
and he'd calmly walk back
to his dressing room and paint.
1211
01:09:21,616 --> 01:09:25,619
{\an8}I'm just-a findin' the supplies,
because I'm a... private detective.
1212
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:28,079
{\an8}Gene Parmesan. How are you doing?
1213
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,498
Ahh! Gene! Oh, Gene!
1214
01:09:30,499 --> 01:09:32,083
Isn't he the best?
1215
01:09:32,084 --> 01:09:34,461
{\an8}And he said to me,
"Am I here for one line?"
1216
01:09:34,462 --> 01:09:36,714
{\an8}And I said, "Yeah,"
and he said, "This is fantastic."
1217
01:09:37,298 --> 01:09:38,215
Oh, is it?
1218
01:09:38,216 --> 01:09:40,175
Ahh! I knew it!
1219
01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:42,719
Screaming is a good way
to make something stick.
1220
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,763
Gene Parmesan. How you doing?
1221
01:09:44,764 --> 01:09:47,557
Ahh! He got me again!
1222
01:09:47,558 --> 01:09:52,104
Martin's character is so easily
stuck into millions of stories.
1223
01:09:52,813 --> 01:09:56,650
I'm sure what every casting director
said is, "I want a Martin Mull type,"
1224
01:09:56,651 --> 01:09:58,611
and it ended up being Martin Mull.
1225
01:09:59,111 --> 01:10:00,570
{\an8}- Hey, Bob?
- Yeah.
1226
01:10:00,571 --> 01:10:03,323
{\an8}You don't remember me,
I was an intern way back when you...
1227
01:10:03,324 --> 01:10:06,409
Of course I remember you.
Ben Cafferty, all growed up.
1228
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:08,662
We used to have a nickname for this guy.
1229
01:10:08,663 --> 01:10:09,579
Butt Fucker.
1230
01:10:09,580 --> 01:10:11,082
Butt Fucker, that's me.
1231
01:10:11,666 --> 01:10:14,709
With somebody like Martin Mull,
you were just in great hands.
1232
01:10:14,710 --> 01:10:15,752
You wrote a joke,
1233
01:10:15,753 --> 01:10:19,297
and you knew it was going to be
at least as funny as it was on paper,
1234
01:10:19,298 --> 01:10:21,091
and likely funnier.
1235
01:10:21,092 --> 01:10:24,219
{\an8}- How can you say no?
- We need sick kids we can package.
1236
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:26,805
{\an8}You know, like that one
we put on Hollywood Squares.
1237
01:10:26,806 --> 01:10:29,392
Martin Mull,
from Sabrina. Hi, Martin.
1238
01:10:30,393 --> 01:10:35,605
{\an8}He was on time, knew his lines, do that--
and he was in his seventies.
1239
01:10:35,606 --> 01:10:37,941
{\an8}I'm not sure
I've ever seen you this happy.
1240
01:10:37,942 --> 01:10:39,693
{\an8}Well, that's the point of the drug.
1241
01:10:39,694 --> 01:10:40,903
{\an8}What do you mean?
1242
01:10:41,529 --> 01:10:42,738
I'm on ecstasy.
1243
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:47,451
Dare to dream we all have
the long career that Martin has.
1244
01:10:51,122 --> 01:10:53,665
One day on set I said,
"What are you gonna do this weekend?"
1245
01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:56,626
He's like, "Oh, I'm locking myself up
in my art studio."
1246
01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:58,295
I was like, "Oh, you do art?" Ha-ha.
1247
01:10:58,296 --> 01:10:59,629
I was such a dick.
1248
01:10:59,630 --> 01:11:05,386
Do you know how many shitty painters
there are in SAG and AFTRA as we speak?
1249
01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:08,431
Johnny Depp "paints."
1250
01:11:10,057 --> 01:11:12,475
Next time I saw him, he brought, like,
1251
01:11:12,476 --> 01:11:15,396
this brochure of his art, and I was like...
1252
01:11:16,772 --> 01:11:19,942
"Martin! I thought
you were just fucking off."
1253
01:11:22,278 --> 01:11:26,823
Making paintings was not
a contributor to my financial well-being
1254
01:11:26,824 --> 01:11:28,326
until I was in my sixties.
1255
01:11:31,495 --> 01:11:36,041
The real turning point was
a gentleman named Donald Rosenfeld
1256
01:11:36,042 --> 01:11:38,586
who had a gallery
in New York called Spike.
1257
01:11:39,337 --> 01:11:43,340
{\an8}I was out in Los Angeles,
and Dave Hickey, the great critic, said,
1258
01:11:43,341 --> 01:11:45,842
{\an8}"You gotta see my friend Marty Mull,
he's a great painter."
1259
01:11:45,843 --> 01:11:50,097
I said, "I didn't know about his work."
And he said, "No, you'd really love it."
1260
01:11:51,098 --> 01:11:53,475
He came up here, to this very studio.
1261
01:11:53,476 --> 01:11:56,269
Within ten minutes, he told me
when the show was gonna be.
1262
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:58,688
He said, "This stuff is amazing."
1263
01:11:58,689 --> 01:12:01,524
He said, "Nobody does that.
You don't even know anything about me."
1264
01:12:01,525 --> 01:12:04,445
I said, "I'm looking at the paintings
and I want to have a show with you."
1265
01:12:06,447 --> 01:12:09,616
You're actually in New York now,
making arrangements for...
1266
01:12:09,617 --> 01:12:12,369
An art show. It's my... my life's work.
1267
01:12:12,370 --> 01:12:13,787
Anyone who's seen my films
1268
01:12:13,788 --> 01:12:16,831
and other work knows that painting
must be my life's work.
1269
01:12:16,832 --> 01:12:20,753
- We can go there and purchase the work?
- And bring your checkbook. Yep.
1270
01:12:21,670 --> 01:12:24,214
It was the calm before the storm,
1271
01:12:24,215 --> 01:12:26,424
and there was no one
in the gallery but me.
1272
01:12:26,425 --> 01:12:29,511
I'm just kind of walking around,
saying goodbye to my babies,
1273
01:12:29,512 --> 01:12:31,846
hopefully, you know, that they will sell.
1274
01:12:31,847 --> 01:12:33,556
Then... two, three, four.
1275
01:12:33,557 --> 01:12:36,018
Doors open, and there's,
like, four or five hundred people.
1276
01:12:37,228 --> 01:12:39,396
This show sold out in three hours.
1277
01:12:39,397 --> 01:12:41,064
An old friend of mine called, he said,
1278
01:12:41,065 --> 01:12:43,149
"How did it go?
No one really knows that artist."
1279
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:46,487
I said, "Well, they sure liked it."
He said, "Then you didn't charge enough."
1280
01:12:49,448 --> 01:12:51,741
And that's when the doors blew open.
1281
01:12:51,742 --> 01:12:54,537
The prices just doubled
and then tripled and then quadrupled.
1282
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,622
I stumbled upon them.
1283
01:12:57,623 --> 01:13:01,334
They were visible from the street,
and I was kind of taken aback by them.
1284
01:13:01,335 --> 01:13:04,462
{\an8}And then I walked in,
and I noticed it was Martin Mull.
1285
01:13:04,463 --> 01:13:06,757
{\an8}And I thought... "That Martin Mull?"
1286
01:13:08,384 --> 01:13:12,470
From the craft to the imagery,
there's such a totality, all in sync.
1287
01:13:12,471 --> 01:13:14,514
It's like all the bullshit
had been taken out,
1288
01:13:14,515 --> 01:13:17,684
and he was able just to put it
into some kind of coherent form
1289
01:13:17,685 --> 01:13:19,812
that had this kind of intrigue to it.
1290
01:13:20,813 --> 01:13:22,981
So I wanted to tell the world about it,
and I said,
1291
01:13:22,982 --> 01:13:25,359
"Okay, this is work that's very credible."
1292
01:13:26,485 --> 01:13:30,322
"This is an artist who deserves
to be better known as a painter."
1293
01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,243
The show at Spike Gallery
was very well received,
1294
01:13:35,244 --> 01:13:38,455
and that was kind of highfalutin
to be in that kind of company.
1295
01:13:38,456 --> 01:13:43,042
{\an8}From there, a series of other galleries
were each time sold out before it opened,
1296
01:13:43,043 --> 01:13:44,836
and so did the next one,
1297
01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:47,506
and it just went bonkers from there.
1298
01:13:49,425 --> 01:13:52,553
Once he was established,
when your paintings are selling,
1299
01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:54,722
it was fantastic.
1300
01:13:55,389 --> 01:13:58,392
I learned something
from every show he ever did.
1301
01:14:00,019 --> 01:14:02,145
{\an8}One of the pieces from one of those shows
1302
01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:05,399
{\an8}went to the Whitney Museum in New York,
courtesy of Steve Martin.
1303
01:14:05,983 --> 01:14:10,653
{\an8}He has been so instrumental
in my various successes.
1304
01:14:10,654 --> 01:14:12,907
He has I don't know
how many of my paintings.
1305
01:14:14,241 --> 01:14:16,951
Steve has been
not just supportive financially,
1306
01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:19,787
but emotionally and artistically.
1307
01:14:19,788 --> 01:14:21,165
He got the paintings.
1308
01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,084
He made it feel like
this stuff is worthwhile.
1309
01:14:26,212 --> 01:14:29,297
The incredible thing
that's happened over the past decade,
1310
01:14:29,298 --> 01:14:33,719
we arranged gallery shows in London,
Korea, Tokyo, with great galleries.
1311
01:14:34,512 --> 01:14:37,639
Incredibly, the critics,
the buyers, you know, the collectors,
1312
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,808
could not get enough
Martin Mull paintings.
1313
01:14:41,268 --> 01:14:44,604
Once these things
started selling to these major collectors,
1314
01:14:44,605 --> 01:14:47,774
I actually was able to,
for the past few years,
1315
01:14:47,775 --> 01:14:50,903
enjoy the status of being "a painter,"
1316
01:14:52,363 --> 01:14:55,449
untethered by other descriptive phrases.
1317
01:14:58,536 --> 01:15:02,831
When it really struck me that
I had done it, that I had made the bridge,
1318
01:15:03,332 --> 01:15:06,627
I had been doing a movie,
and I had to change my flight.
1319
01:15:07,795 --> 01:15:11,047
And I got this lady on the phone.
I said, "I'm in Minneapolis."
1320
01:15:11,048 --> 01:15:13,883
"I need to change my flight..."
She said, "What's your name?"
1321
01:15:13,884 --> 01:15:17,054
And I gave her my name.
She goes, "Oh! The painter?"
1322
01:15:18,472 --> 01:15:21,349
And I about fell off the bed.
I couldn't believe it.
1323
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:25,228
I couldn't believe it. Yes, oh, my God,
someone actually said it first!
1324
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:28,231
Not the actor, not the comedian,
but they said "the painter."
1325
01:15:28,232 --> 01:15:30,734
And how she knew, I have no idea.
1326
01:15:31,402 --> 01:15:34,612
She may have gotten it mixed up
with a guy named Martin Muller,
1327
01:15:34,613 --> 01:15:36,990
who actually was
a house painter in her town,
1328
01:15:36,991 --> 01:15:39,576
and that's... that's more than possible.
1329
01:15:39,577 --> 01:15:40,744
But, um...
1330
01:15:41,370 --> 01:15:43,413
But that really just kind of let me go,
1331
01:15:43,414 --> 01:15:47,126
"Yeah, I got my... My visa was stamped,"
and I thought, "Yeah, I did it."
1332
01:15:50,588 --> 01:15:53,215
- Things certainly have changed.
- Yeah.
1333
01:15:53,799 --> 01:15:56,050
It's such a body of work,
1334
01:15:56,051 --> 01:16:01,265
and you can feel the same soul
coming through into all of it.
1335
01:16:02,349 --> 01:16:04,475
Um, I adore you.
1336
01:16:04,476 --> 01:16:08,187
- Thank you.
- In a... In a true and genuine way.
1337
01:16:08,188 --> 01:16:11,900
Thank you for your...
for your talent and your time.
1338
01:16:12,484 --> 01:16:13,485
Bless you.
1339
01:16:14,445 --> 01:16:17,405
I didn't sneeze, but when I do, I will...
1340
01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:18,616
I will accept that.
1341
01:16:20,117 --> 01:16:22,036
Funny.
1342
01:16:37,926 --> 01:16:40,012
Okay. Uh, take four.
1343
01:16:49,688 --> 01:16:52,858
When Bob passed away,
it was just astounding.
1344
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:56,277
And I realize
I'm getting in that age bracket now
1345
01:16:56,278 --> 01:16:58,530
where your friend list goes down,
1346
01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:01,742
and your grief list goes up.
1347
01:17:02,242 --> 01:17:05,578
In fact, I was thinking last night,
I'm not a terribly social person.
1348
01:17:05,579 --> 01:17:08,998
I was thinking, when I die,
I'll have to be cremated
1349
01:17:08,999 --> 01:17:12,461
'cause I don't know if I have six friends
that could carry the casket.
1350
01:17:13,545 --> 01:17:16,255
It's seven o'clock,
and he ate dinner at 4:00.
1351
01:17:16,256 --> 01:17:20,510
Can you imagine what it was like
working 130 shows with this guy?
1352
01:17:20,511 --> 01:17:23,221
Jeez Louise.
1353
01:17:23,222 --> 01:17:26,432
It was just good being
in your neighborhood and, uh...
1354
01:17:26,433 --> 01:17:28,309
And good being in yours.
1355
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:32,772
You are my favorite comedian,
funny man, bar none, Mr. Willard.
1356
01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:34,315
- Thank you.
- You make me laugh.
1357
01:17:34,316 --> 01:17:36,276
{\an8}And you were my inspiration.
1358
01:17:38,987 --> 01:17:41,407
- So kind of you to do this.
- Oh, Jesus.
1359
01:17:46,036 --> 01:17:48,163
{\an8}There are times when I feel like...
1360
01:17:49,456 --> 01:17:52,000
the opera is over.
1361
01:17:52,626 --> 01:17:55,129
The actors and singers
have left the stage.
1362
01:17:55,754 --> 01:17:57,714
The set's been taken down,
1363
01:17:57,715 --> 01:18:01,135
a new set for an opera
that I don't understand has been put up.
1364
01:18:01,844 --> 01:18:05,013
And for some reason,
I'm still sitting there in that chair.
1365
01:18:05,764 --> 01:18:09,017
And I should have been gone
with all that stuff, and I'm not.
1366
01:18:11,311 --> 01:18:12,312
And...
1367
01:18:13,313 --> 01:18:14,565
I think about that.
1368
01:18:17,818 --> 01:18:21,571
"Remember me, remember me,
when I have passed away."
1369
01:18:21,572 --> 01:18:25,700
"Remember that I lived and died,
as you will too, one day."
1370
01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:29,996
"If I can write these few short lines,
it will not be in vain,
1371
01:18:29,997 --> 01:18:33,666
if after I am dead and gone,
you still recall my name."
1372
01:18:33,667 --> 01:18:36,669
- "Remember me." I think it's...
- Wow. Jerry, that's actually...
1373
01:18:36,670 --> 01:18:38,588
- It is nice.
- That's actually very pretty.
1374
01:18:38,589 --> 01:18:40,673
- Who wrote that?
- Well put. Who wrote it?
1375
01:18:40,674 --> 01:18:44,427
I don't know. Who knows? It's an old poem.
Probably some old guy dead and gone.
1376
01:18:44,428 --> 01:18:46,054
The point is...
1377
01:18:55,898 --> 01:18:58,983
Did you get a shot
of his studio from here?
1378
01:18:58,984 --> 01:18:59,985
Yeah.
1379
01:19:02,488 --> 01:19:06,784
Wendy has been there for 42 years.
I've known her for almost 50.
1380
01:19:08,827 --> 01:19:11,330
Wendy lets you be who you are.
1381
01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:14,917
I think we're almost done.
1382
01:19:16,543 --> 01:19:18,336
- Wenner?
- Yeah.
1383
01:19:18,337 --> 01:19:21,506
They said they need an insert shot
of your hands on the keys.
1384
01:19:21,507 --> 01:19:22,966
Oh, God, no!
1385
01:19:24,676 --> 01:19:28,055
That's a no-go. Oh, God.
1386
01:19:39,775 --> 01:19:42,068
Our marriage is not about two people
1387
01:19:42,069 --> 01:19:44,153
who went out and ruled the world.
1388
01:19:44,154 --> 01:19:46,823
It's just two people who made it through.
1389
01:19:46,824 --> 01:19:48,115
Yup.
1390
01:19:48,116 --> 01:19:50,994
And that's... there's a heroism in...
1391
01:19:51,703 --> 01:19:53,789
sometimes in tiny steps.
1392
01:19:56,124 --> 01:19:57,584
Dishes done
1393
01:19:59,545 --> 01:20:02,381
And put away
1394
01:20:03,549 --> 01:20:09,680
A red line drawn through another day
1395
01:20:11,515 --> 01:20:17,145
Slippers go on
Yeah, the same old pair
1396
01:20:19,106 --> 01:20:24,527
There you sit in your favorite chair
1397
01:20:24,528 --> 01:20:29,282
I wouldn't be physically present,
let alone mentally present,
1398
01:20:29,283 --> 01:20:32,327
let alone healthy if it wasn't for Wendy.
1399
01:20:32,911 --> 01:20:34,829
I wouldn't be alive without her.
1400
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:35,914
I really wouldn't.
1401
01:20:37,541 --> 01:20:40,501
I mean, that's a pretty big statement,
when you think about it.
1402
01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:42,754
I would not be alive without her.
1403
01:20:44,381 --> 01:20:45,883
I'm convinced of that.
1404
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:50,888
Aww...
1405
01:20:51,471 --> 01:20:53,765
Oh. That... Don't make me cry.
1406
01:20:54,266 --> 01:20:58,020
That's sweet.
I didn't save his life, but that's sweet.
1407
01:20:58,979 --> 01:21:00,856
Okay, now I have to stop.
1408
01:21:04,902 --> 01:21:06,987
I don't know why he'd say that.
1409
01:21:08,488 --> 01:21:09,906
Maybe I did.
1410
01:21:09,907 --> 01:21:14,745
Maybe I did, you know, in some aspect.
1411
01:21:15,495 --> 01:21:18,707
Me and you
1412
01:21:19,917 --> 01:21:23,003
Waltzing through
1413
01:21:24,254 --> 01:21:27,673
- This crazy daze
- This crazy dance
1414
01:21:27,674 --> 01:21:31,094
Two people do
1415
01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:37,809
And when the day has faded away
1416
01:21:38,685 --> 01:21:40,938
We beat the odds
1417
01:21:41,939 --> 01:21:43,231
Me and you
1418
01:21:44,858 --> 01:21:47,486
Me and you
1419
01:21:49,696 --> 01:21:51,448
Yeah.
1420
01:21:52,157 --> 01:21:53,575
I agree, buzzy.
1421
01:21:59,831 --> 01:22:02,333
Voilà!
1422
01:22:02,334 --> 01:22:05,753
She has about 150 great songs.
1423
01:22:05,754 --> 01:22:09,341
- Well, I wouldn't say that.
- And they seldom leave this room.
1424
01:22:11,343 --> 01:22:14,387
- Well, I'm a bit reluctant.
- Jesus, that got to me.
1425
01:22:14,388 --> 01:22:15,681
Don't cry.
1426
01:22:16,807 --> 01:22:19,893
It's one of those years
where we're all crying.
1427
01:22:20,519 --> 01:22:21,645
Do a lot of crying.
1428
01:22:22,771 --> 01:22:25,940
Yeah, we'll bring that...
We'll resurrect that, Mr. Mull.
1429
01:22:25,941 --> 01:22:26,858
Yeah.
1430
01:22:35,283 --> 01:22:38,078
I'm in the process
of morphing into an old man.
1431
01:22:39,621 --> 01:22:43,041
Which is one that
you can see daily in the mirror.
1432
01:22:44,543 --> 01:22:46,335
There's no question about it.
1433
01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:49,256
You wake up knowing
you are driving a used car.
1434
01:22:53,719 --> 01:22:55,470
At one point, I was adept.
1435
01:22:57,139 --> 01:23:00,141
But now I'm finding
that my borderline arthritic hands
1436
01:23:00,142 --> 01:23:02,352
aren't doing what they used to do.
1437
01:23:04,312 --> 01:23:06,480
So, when I have thoughts of mortality,
1438
01:23:06,481 --> 01:23:09,651
more often than not,
they turn very pragmatic.
1439
01:23:12,154 --> 01:23:15,364
Like, "Okay, what am I gonna
do with all this shit in my studio?"
1440
01:23:15,365 --> 01:23:18,160
I don't want Wendy
to have to go through all that stuff.
1441
01:23:18,785 --> 01:23:22,204
I don't want her to have
this big house all to herself.
1442
01:23:22,205 --> 01:23:23,290
She'd hate that.
1443
01:23:25,625 --> 01:23:28,753
So I start thinking
about the nuts and bolts of it,
1444
01:23:28,754 --> 01:23:29,755
of not being around.
1445
01:23:31,757 --> 01:23:33,841
I don't walk down the street
just wondering
1446
01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:36,552
if today's the day I'm gonna have
my massive heart attack.
1447
01:23:36,553 --> 01:23:38,221
I don't... don't think in those terms.
1448
01:23:40,974 --> 01:23:42,601
But even if I did,
1449
01:23:43,727 --> 01:23:45,854
would I feel shortchanged?
1450
01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:49,691
And the answer is no.
1451
01:23:53,695 --> 01:23:56,698
I don't have a one-man show
at the Museum of Modern Art.
1452
01:23:57,407 --> 01:23:59,075
I don't have an Oscar.
1453
01:23:59,076 --> 01:24:00,827
I don't have a Grammy.
1454
01:24:01,578 --> 01:24:03,370
But I did make the records,
1455
01:24:03,371 --> 01:24:05,456
and I am in a museum,
1456
01:24:05,457 --> 01:24:07,209
and I am on TV.
1457
01:24:08,919 --> 01:24:11,379
I think I was given every opportunity.
1458
01:24:12,255 --> 01:24:13,465
I took a few of 'em.
1459
01:24:14,132 --> 01:24:16,051
And I had a really good time.
1460
01:25:06,184 --> 01:25:08,520
The whole house has changed a lot.
1461
01:25:10,522 --> 01:25:12,149
It's like a ghost town.
1462
01:25:16,778 --> 01:25:18,947
I emptied Martin's studio...
1463
01:25:20,532 --> 01:25:22,868
and then put him in the dining room.
1464
01:25:25,495 --> 01:25:26,872
He was coughing a lot.
1465
01:25:28,165 --> 01:25:30,834
I think he knew before we did.
1466
01:25:33,086 --> 01:25:34,754
His body had quit the fight.
1467
01:25:39,342 --> 01:25:41,469
I miss hearing him.
1468
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:43,638
I miss that.
1469
01:25:46,892 --> 01:25:48,059
Yeah.
1470
01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:53,607
Yeah, it took me a while to come up here.
1471
01:26:00,739 --> 01:26:03,200
And this was his view of his castle.
1472
01:26:03,700 --> 01:26:04,701
Look at that.
1473
01:26:07,037 --> 01:26:10,081
And this is what he worked for.
This is why.
1474
01:26:13,043 --> 01:26:18,089
I think he did what he had to do.
I'm feeling pretty good about that now.
1475
01:26:18,673 --> 01:26:21,343
Mr. Mull.
1476
01:26:22,844 --> 01:26:24,512
Yes, Mr. Mull.
1477
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:31,561
Come on.
1478
01:26:41,821 --> 01:26:45,824
- Sounding all right?
- Yeah. Yeah. That sounds great.
1479
01:26:45,825 --> 01:26:47,077
Okay, let's see.
1480
01:26:53,917 --> 01:26:57,629
If I woke up to find
That it's all been a joke
1481
01:26:58,838 --> 01:27:00,757
That I was deaf, dumb, and blind
1482
01:27:02,217 --> 01:27:03,760
Homeless and broke
1483
01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:10,684
Hope I've learned
Not to be too concerned
1484
01:27:12,686 --> 01:27:15,021
It isn't as if I died
1485
01:27:16,648 --> 01:27:18,608
But let's say I had
1486
01:27:19,442 --> 01:27:21,569
Would it be all that bad?
1487
01:27:23,947 --> 01:27:26,116
I've had a hell of a ride
1488
01:27:29,494 --> 01:27:32,747
I've had the time of my life
1489
01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:36,042
It's all been milk and honey
1490
01:27:39,337 --> 01:27:41,213
A walk in the park
1491
01:27:41,214 --> 01:27:43,967
A stroll down Easy Street
1492
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:49,180
Had a beautiful wife
1493
01:27:50,098 --> 01:27:52,392
And pockets full of money
1494
01:27:55,770 --> 01:27:59,399
Me, oh, my, did we get high
1495
01:28:00,191 --> 01:28:02,444
Life has been so sweet
1496
01:28:04,404 --> 01:28:06,698
I never had a problem
1497
01:28:08,366 --> 01:28:10,535
I never had a care
1498
01:28:12,287 --> 01:28:15,289
Still can wear my high school jeans
1499
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:18,043
And I still have all my hair
1500
01:28:18,918 --> 01:28:23,130
So when they pull down the lid
On all that I did
1501
01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:26,092
Well, I promise you, kid
That it's true
1502
01:28:28,345 --> 01:28:31,431
I've had the time of my life
1503
01:28:32,223 --> 01:28:34,517
All my dreams came true
1504
01:28:44,569 --> 01:28:47,654
Every morning when I wake
1505
01:28:47,655 --> 01:28:50,700
There's a smile upon my face
1506
01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:58,083
I take a look around and say
"Man, I fuckin' own this place"
1507
01:28:59,376 --> 01:29:03,295
And when they lower the lid
On all that I did
1508
01:29:03,296 --> 01:29:06,508
Well, I promise you, kid
That it's true
1509
01:29:08,468 --> 01:29:11,638
I've had the time of my life
1510
01:29:12,389 --> 01:29:14,682
'Cause that's what dreamers do
1511
01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:23,566
All my dreams came true