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[man] <i>There's something there
that lets you know it's there.</i>

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[man 2] <i>This house,
it's really grabbed me.</i>

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<i>It's got its hooks
sinked into me.</i>

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<i>There's a lot of thing
that happen in this house <i>
that we can't explain.</i></i>

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[man 3] <i>It's wild
just being there.</i>

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[man 4] <i>It has this, you know,
this aura about it, <i>
a-- a-- a mystery.</i></i>

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[dramatic music]

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[Alice] <i>I wanted a simple house,
I wanted a A-frame house,</i>

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<i>and I wanted a-- a loft upstairs with a balcony.</i>

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<i>And when we first drove by here, it was just a beautiful meadow.</i>

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It was covered with wildflowers.

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And it just took my breath away.

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And I said,
you know, "That's it."

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[Alice] <i>I had the house
subcontracted, <i>
built like I wanted.</i></i>

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<i>When they started building,</i>

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<i>we noticed that there were some strange things happening.</i>

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The doors would slam.

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I mean nothing else
would be blowing around,
but the door would slam.

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<i>They put the doorbell in
and it would ring.</i>

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<i>And you'd go to the door,
there's nobody there.</i>

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<i>I remember deadbolting the door and going upstairs</i>

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<i>and as soon as I get upstairs,
you know, we heard a bang!</i>

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<i>I looked out
and the door was open.</i>

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<i>But it had the deadbolt
still sticking out.</i>

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<i>This house had a lot of activity that was unusual</i>

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<i>and we knew that.</i>

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<i>I made peace with that,
I lived with that</i>

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<i>until 2011.</i>

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[crickets chirping]

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[Alice] <i>At 11:30, I was probably
in bed by 12 o' clock.</i>

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<i>And it was
pitch-black dark in here.</i>

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And a light came on

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and I opened my eyes and, uh,

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there was this-- it was light.

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It was a patch of total daylight
from the ceiling to the floor.

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<i>And it was daylight
in this tube of light</i>

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<i>and it was pitch black
in the rest of the room.</i>

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<i>I just stared at it.</i>

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<i>After about 10 seconds, it just went blink, it went out.</i>

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<i>
I just covered my head</i>

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<i>and I pulled back the covers</i>

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<i>and I saw there were
like, real bright red <i>
buttons of light.</i></i>

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<i>I had a flashlight on the bed</i>

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<i>and I shone the flashlight
all around the room</i>

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<i>and uh, there was
nothing unusual.</i>

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<i>And I really did feel watched.</i>

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<i>I felt a presence,
I felt observed.</i>

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<i>I didn't know if it was
a religious experience,</i>

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<i>I didn't know if it was
a UFO experience, <i>
I didn't know what it was.</i></i>

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<i>It scared me to death.</i>

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<i>That was a turning point
in my life,</i>

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<i>because I decided
that I would not stay here</i>

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<i>by myself at night.</i>

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I never mentioned it
to hardly anybody in this town

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about the paranormal activity
in my house,

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because I wasn't sure
how they would take it.

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It's a-- it's a--
it's in the Bible Belt

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and you know--
and you know, I just-- I didn't
know how they would take it.

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[man] <i>Florence
is a suburb of Jackson,</i>

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<i>the statistical
metropolitan area.</i>

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This is community that's--
that's got good neighbors.

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They probably
pretty much keep to themselves

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and that may be
what makes them good neighbors.

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[woman] <i>I think
the people are real nice.</i>

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<i>If somebody dies,</i>

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uh, everybody
comes and brings food

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and they go to the cemetery
or they go to the funeral halls

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<i>or do what they can for you.</i>

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We're just country.

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Just-- just country.

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[woman] <i>Florence
is a great town, <i>
but it's a southern town.</i></i>

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Some people are open-minded

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and some people
are very close-minded.

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[Sabrina] <i>Florence is very Bible Belt-ish.</i>

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<i>Bringing in the paranormal
to them is unbelievable.</i>

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[interviewer]
Do you believe in ghosts?

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Uh, believe in what?

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No, I don't.

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[man] <i>I am a Christian, I do believe in the Holy Spirit.</i>

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If y'all-- y'all go stay out
in empty houses all night,
I'll go to bed.

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[Alice] <i>I was all embarrassed,</i>

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<i>because I thought,
you know, I'm just <i>
gonna look like an idiot.</i></i>

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<i>So, I didn't tell anybody
until it became known enough</i>

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<i>that I knew there were gonna do a little news program on it.</i>

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[male TV reporter] <i>
On the outside, it looks like your typical home,</i>

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<i>but inside
it's anything but normal.</i>

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The candle
just got up and landed.

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It didn't just tipple over
and it didn't shoot over,

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it just kinda
levitated over there.

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[Alice] <i>After that news segment,</i>

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<i>that just kinda validated to me that it was okay to express it,</i>

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because I just kept it inside,
I didn't tell a lot of people.

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But once it was documented,

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I felt perfectly
free then to talk about it.

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<i>And it was really a big moment.</i>

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<i>That kinda made it real for me.</i>

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<i>I think that's when it--
that's when I started being <i>
really open to really--</i></i>

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<i>I was trying to find
somebody who could--</i>

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<i>or maybe come up
with some explanation.</i>

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<i>I started talking
to a friend ofmine at work</i>

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<i>and she said
she knew a young investigator</i>

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<i>named John Bullard
who might be interested.</i>

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[John] <i>My name's John Bullard.</i>

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<i>I'm a marketing director</i>

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<i>for about 40
different restaurants.</i>

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<i>What got me
into the paranormal is</i>

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<i>ever since I was a little child,</i>

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I would see shadow figures,
I would hear voices.

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<i>I didn't know
if I was crazy or not</i>

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<i>and I wanted
to validate it for myself.</i>

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<i>Uh, I didn't want to validate it for anybody else,</i>

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<i>I just wanted to figure out
that I wasn't crazy.</i>

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<i>And I started doing research</i>

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<i>about the supernatural
and the paranormal.</i>

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And I kinda, you know, over time
wanted to test the waters,

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so I went to supposedly haunted
places to test the waters,

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to see if I could actually
capture something,

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if I could feel something

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or sense something
that I sensed when I was child.

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<i>We accidentally caught an incredible spirit voice EVP,</i>

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<i>electronic voice phenomenon
and that kinda changed me.</i>

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[girl] What is that white out
near the woods, you see that?

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[girl] It is in the woods,
you see it now?

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[girl 2] Oh, no, no, no,
shine closer to it, shine.

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[voice] In here.

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- [John] What the fuck was that?
- [girl] What was that? What?

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Did you say-that place
said "in here?"

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[girl] No.

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[John] Did y'all not--
you didn't hear that?

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[girl] No, I'm sorry.

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[voice] In here.

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[John] There-- there,
did you hear anybody
say, "in here?"

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[girl] Did someone
just say "in here?"

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[John] Did you hear that?

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- [man] Uh, I heard something.
- [girl] John.

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- I'm not fucking kidding.
- [girl] I'm sorry.

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[John] <i>Well, my biggest goal
that I set in my mind was</i>

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to document evidence

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that was clean, clear,
and easy to view.

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[John] Did somebody
just make that noise?

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<i>I was referred
to the Mississippi house</i>

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<i>by a friend of a friend.</i>

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<i>When we pull up to the house,</i>

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<i>you would never think there
was anything really going on</i>

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<i>inside the house.</i>

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<i>So, we were really skeptical,</i>

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<i>but we figured
we'd hear her out.</i>

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<i>Alice told us about the lights</i>

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<i>that she experienced
in the bottom bedroom</i>

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<i>and some other sounds
that she'd heard in the house.</i>

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<i>And just from
the pre-investigation <i>
that we did,</i></i>

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<i>it really started
to intrigue me.</i>

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<i>Things moved.</i>

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<i>Lights that have turned off.</i>

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<i>It's something different</i>

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<i>than just
a paranormal investigation.</i>

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We have done about nine years,

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it's the longest location that
we have ever done consistently.

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[John] <i>We have a DVR system</i>

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<i>that is filming the house
24 hours a day,</i>

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<i>they try to capture
something else.</i>

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There's definitely
something else out there,

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whether it's a uh,
you know, another world

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or something
that we're tapping into.

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<i>Uh, it's up--
it's up for debate.</i>

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[radio announcer] <i>
I have something
very special for you today.</i>

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<i>We have Brad Cooney.</i>

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<i>Brad is part
of the Mississippi house</i>

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<i>and it is very well-documented</i>

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<i>as a place that is haunted.</i>

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<i>So, tell me a little bit
about the house.</i>

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[Brad] <i>Just about everybody
who we bring in there,</i>

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<i>it just-- it creeps 'em out.</i>

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<i>There's
a different energy in there</i>

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<i>like you-- you mentioned
in your opening.</i>

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<i>It's very well-documented,</i>

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<i>the evidence captured
is amazing.</i>

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Good?

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[Brad] Will you get
that close cobwebs out?

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You see I'm not home so much,

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I didn't realize all those
cobwebs are back there.

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This is really out
of my comfort zone,
this whole thing.

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So, I've lived here
uh, 12 years.

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12 years now and this is
where I do all my-- my podcasts

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and throughout
my boxing journalistic career

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I've accrued quite a few things
in the boxing world

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writing for magazines
and writing for boxing websites.

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I've-- I've met just about
everybody there is

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that's anybody
in the boxing world.

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h, Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya,
Floyd Mayweather.

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I don't go to the fights anymore
though, I don't cover it,
I did it for a lot of years.

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It was just time to start
another chapter.

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I got into the paranormal

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uh, in-- in-- in--
standing in this very room,

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watched TV one day

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and a segment
that a local news broadcaster

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<i>did on Miss Alice's house
caught my attention.</i>

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<i>I stopped what I was doing,
I started watching it</i>

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<i>and realized
it was really close,</i>

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<i>so I reached out to that homeowner and her friend <i>that was also on that segment.</i></i>

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<i>'Cause it was
really interesting to me,</i>

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<i>especially how close it was.</i>

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It was like wow, usually
you hear something's haunted
or whatever

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or whatever it might be

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it's a long drive, but this was
so close to where I live.

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So, I would be interested
and it would be
really interesting for me

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to uh, to see
if they'll have me in there

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and take a look around.

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So that's all,

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<i>that's how I started
getting into the paranormal.</i>

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<i>And it just took off from there.</i>

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[Brad] <i>I met Alice and when
she told me her story,</i>

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<i>I believed her, instantly.</i>

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In fact,
the first day I came here,

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we had-- we had some
activity happen in the house

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which really piqued my interest
up at that point.

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- [Brad] <i>Actually, they said
- [Alice] You see that?</i>

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It was coming towards the stairs
and it went--

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- out the door-- ooh, ooh, ooh.
- [Alice] Look at that there.

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00:12:52,510 --> 00:12:54,556
[Brad] <i>The next week
I came back again,</i>

222
00:12:54,599 --> 00:12:56,776
I captured some more evidence

223
00:12:56,819 --> 00:12:59,256
um, that I felt
I couldn't explain.

224
00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:01,476
[Brad] <i>And it-- it just
blossomed from there.</i>

225
00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,044
<i>We had major equipment failure,</i>

226
00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:08,222
<i>because of spirit activity
all up in this sucker.</i>

227
00:13:08,265 --> 00:13:10,528
<i>But this is a REM pod
that's going nuts.</i>

228
00:13:11,138 --> 00:13:13,662
<i>I learned some of the stuff
through research,</i>

229
00:13:13,705 --> 00:13:15,751
trying things.

230
00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:19,537
Then I got to where
I would buy some equipment.

231
00:13:19,581 --> 00:13:22,279
<i>It's-- it's kind of how
I learned how to investigate.</i>

232
00:13:25,326 --> 00:13:27,415
<i>Brad Cooney came along
a few years ago</i>

233
00:13:27,458 --> 00:13:30,287
and really helped out
to what we were doing
in the Mississippi house.

234
00:13:31,723 --> 00:13:33,987
[John] <i>It's good to get two investigators who are separate,</i>

235
00:13:34,030 --> 00:13:36,032
<i>who originally never
knew each other,</i>

236
00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:38,818
<i>who'd come together and
are experiencing the same <i>
things in the house.</i></i>

237
00:13:40,254 --> 00:13:41,777
[Brad] <i>This is my--</i>

238
00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,214
<i>I'm beginning my third year
investigating this house.</i>

239
00:13:44,911 --> 00:13:47,391
<i>Once I think I figured
something out,</i>

240
00:13:47,435 --> 00:13:48,828
something else happens.

241
00:13:48,871 --> 00:13:50,830
Some things I've
debunked in-- in the home,

242
00:13:50,873 --> 00:13:52,701
but many things I--
I can't debunk

243
00:13:52,744 --> 00:13:56,531
and that in itself is--
is why I keep doing this.

244
00:13:56,574 --> 00:13:58,838
Because there's things that
happen here that I just simply--

245
00:13:59,447 --> 00:14:01,666
I can't figure out
why it's happening.

246
00:14:21,773 --> 00:14:24,428
[Brad] Wait,
that's gotta be somebody.

247
00:14:24,472 --> 00:14:25,734
[knocks on the furniture]

248
00:14:29,216 --> 00:14:31,958
[bumps into the furniture]

249
00:14:42,403 --> 00:14:44,884
[Brad] Ask for somebody that--
ask if anyone's in there?

250
00:15:08,995 --> 00:15:10,779
[Don] Man.

251
00:15:12,868 --> 00:15:15,349
[Brad] That might've been
the most profound noises
we've ever heard in here.

252
00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:17,481
[Don] Wow.

253
00:15:20,223 --> 00:15:21,703
[Brad] <i>During
our investigations,</i>

254
00:15:21,746 --> 00:15:23,487
<i>we've heard voices
in this house.</i>

255
00:15:24,314 --> 00:15:25,707
<i>Doors open.</i>

256
00:15:43,029 --> 00:15:45,074
<i>We've seen light shut off.</i>

257
00:15:47,772 --> 00:15:49,644
So, we would start asking,

258
00:15:51,254 --> 00:15:53,039
you shut that light off again?"

259
00:15:53,082 --> 00:15:55,650
And we've actually
gotten direct responses

260
00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:56,912
to where the light
would shut off.

261
00:15:58,392 --> 00:16:00,089
[Brad] Can you make any noise
or do something for us

262
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,223
that will tell us
that we're not alone in here?

263
00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:21,763
[woman] Which one in here?

264
00:16:21,806 --> 00:16:23,678
[Brad] He said the black

265
00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:24,984
[woman] Is this? Oh!

266
00:16:25,027 --> 00:16:26,768
[Brad] Oh my God,
will you look at

267
00:16:26,811 --> 00:16:27,682
[woman] And it's on camera.

268
00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:30,598
[Brad] The chandelier just
shut off by itself.

269
00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:33,079
<i>We believe it's possible that</i>

270
00:16:34,167 --> 00:16:36,647
<i>spirit activity,
spirits that hear us</i>

271
00:16:36,691 --> 00:16:38,214
<i>are communicating with us.</i>

272
00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:43,176
<i>And we try to, get as much as we can for possibly a breakthrough.</i>

273
00:16:43,785 --> 00:16:47,093
[John] So, I do feel like we are
teaching the spirits to
communicate with us.

274
00:16:47,136 --> 00:16:49,008
I feel like we are teaching
the dead

275
00:16:49,051 --> 00:16:52,011
inside the house of Mississippi
how to communicate with us.

276
00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:57,016
[John] Please.

277
00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:02,586
I feel
your static-charged energy,

278
00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:04,327
turn it up for me, please.

279
00:17:06,808 --> 00:17:08,157
There we go.

280
00:17:08,201 --> 00:17:10,507
- [John] There we go!
- [Brad] There we go.

281
00:17:11,943 --> 00:17:14,468
[John] We use a lot of trigger
objects inside the house.

282
00:17:15,077 --> 00:17:17,558
We started putting
a baseball or two baseballs

283
00:17:17,601 --> 00:17:19,473
on the staircase
in the Mississippi house.

284
00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,084
And for a while
we set 'em up there

285
00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:24,521
<i>and obviously, we tried to
communicate to the spirits</i>

286
00:17:24,565 --> 00:17:26,349
<i>that we wanted them
to move the baseball,</i>

287
00:17:26,393 --> 00:17:28,786
<i>to roll it down the stairs.</i>

288
00:17:28,830 --> 00:17:32,790
<i>We want nothing more than to
hear the baseball bounce down <i>those stairs and hit the floor.</i></i>

289
00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:37,752
[Brad] <i>That baseball
sat idle for days.</i>

290
00:17:40,885 --> 00:17:44,802
But then one day
just decided to up and move,

291
00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:46,630
and fall down
the steps by itself.

292
00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:08,043
[dramatic music]

293
00:18:13,179 --> 00:18:15,442
[John] <i>Since then it's happened
several times.</i>

294
00:18:23,189 --> 00:18:25,887
[Brad] <i>What the hell's going
on in this house?</i>

295
00:18:25,930 --> 00:18:28,977
<i>Why do things move that
aren't supposed to move?</i>

296
00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:30,239
<i>Things defy physics.</i>

297
00:18:31,066 --> 00:18:32,328
<i>I want answers.</i>

298
00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:36,941
<i>What happens when we die?</i>

299
00:18:36,985 --> 00:18:39,118
<i>Is there a-- does our-- do we
retain our consciousness <i>
when we cross over and--</i></i>

300
00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:41,903
<i>and this is what we're hearing and seeing in-- in this house.</i>

301
00:18:44,166 --> 00:18:46,255
<i>The ball moving has intrigued
me the most.</i>

302
00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,260
<i>That's something' that I'm
really hungry to find out why.</i>

303
00:18:51,304 --> 00:18:53,219
<i>Why is that ball moving?</i>

304
00:18:53,262 --> 00:18:55,177
<i>Is there something' behind it?</i>

305
00:18:55,221 --> 00:18:57,397
<i>Why? I have no idea why
this is happening.</i>

306
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,573
Let's bring in
somebody who might,

307
00:18:59,616 --> 00:19:01,096
I think that's very,
very important.

308
00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:12,890
[contractor]
Let's see what we got.

309
00:19:14,501 --> 00:19:16,503
What this does,
it holds a level point,

310
00:19:16,546 --> 00:19:18,026
this is what we're gonna
shoot from.

311
00:19:24,859 --> 00:19:26,165
Zero.

312
00:19:33,389 --> 00:19:35,217
Side to side, it's level.

313
00:19:45,271 --> 00:19:48,056
There might be a little
slope up here, but...

314
00:19:49,057 --> 00:19:50,580
[Alice] Where? Up there, yeah.

315
00:19:50,624 --> 00:19:53,279
[Scott] I couldn't see why
it would roll down there. Okay.

316
00:19:55,716 --> 00:19:57,457
[Alice] I am happy to know
the-- the slope,

317
00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,502
because we do have
our doors open and close.

318
00:19:59,546 --> 00:20:02,549
And uh, so it's not from, you
know, 'cause somebody might say,

319
00:20:02,592 --> 00:20:04,507
"Oh, it's 'cause your house
is not level." No.

320
00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:06,770
Or if the ball rolls, "Maybe
it's 'cause your house is not
level." No.

321
00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:10,339
No, but what's crazy is your
house has been level since...

322
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:12,950
- Since a long time ago.
- '06.

323
00:20:12,994 --> 00:20:14,343
- '06, uh-huh.
- Yeah,

324
00:20:14,387 --> 00:20:15,649
the measurements
are still the same.

325
00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:17,085
Yeah.

326
00:20:17,128 --> 00:20:18,782
[Alice] <i>I hope that
by bringing experts in</i>

327
00:20:18,826 --> 00:20:21,611
<i>that there will be some
discoveries made</i>

328
00:20:21,655 --> 00:20:24,223
<i>that will be
important to us all.</i>

329
00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:31,317
How can objects move that have
no apparent energy source?

330
00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:33,797
There's obviously an answer,
but we don't know it.

331
00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:38,193
<i>There's some sort
of convergence of energy here</i>

332
00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:39,455
<i>that we can't explain.</i>

333
00:21:16,449 --> 00:21:19,495
So, in my opinion all that's
working fine

334
00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:21,845
to the chandelier
and these lights.

335
00:21:22,585 --> 00:21:24,065
And I checked the breaker,

336
00:21:24,108 --> 00:21:28,156
the breaker's shutting it off
and good voltage there.

337
00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:32,203
This dimmer here,
it works fine.

338
00:21:32,247 --> 00:21:35,381
Uh, sometimes
the dimmers would go bad

339
00:21:35,424 --> 00:21:38,862
and make it, you know,
go dimmer.

340
00:21:38,906 --> 00:21:41,561
But that seems to
be working fine.

341
00:21:41,604 --> 00:21:44,041
At this time, I'm not finding
anything wrong with it.

342
00:21:44,999 --> 00:21:50,439
So, I'm not seeing anything
out of the ordinary.

343
00:21:51,048 --> 00:21:52,920
I would-- I mean I would've
liked to have seen it

344
00:21:52,963 --> 00:21:55,488
doing what it would,
y'all said it did though.

345
00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:57,011
That would be interesting to me.

346
00:21:57,054 --> 00:21:59,927
I think electricals' fine,
there's nothing wrong with it.

347
00:22:00,928 --> 00:22:03,626
I think you-- you're looking
at something else.

348
00:22:09,023 --> 00:22:11,678
[John] So, when you stopped,
after the lights happened,

349
00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:13,636
you decided, "I'm not gonna stay
here anymore."

350
00:22:15,072 --> 00:22:17,031
Did you think about it
when you weren't here?

351
00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:19,033
The first few nights you didn't
stay at the house,

352
00:22:19,076 --> 00:22:21,165
were you kinda wondering
what was going on?

353
00:22:21,209 --> 00:22:22,384
Did you think about coming back

354
00:22:22,428 --> 00:22:23,864
and trying to stay
at the house again?

355
00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:25,387
- Or after you
made the decision
- No.

356
00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:26,693
[John] That was it?

357
00:22:26,736 --> 00:22:28,695
No, that was-- that
was clear cut.

358
00:22:28,738 --> 00:22:30,653
I'm outta there. Yeah.

359
00:22:30,697 --> 00:22:34,265
Because-- because I thought
nobody could help me.

360
00:22:34,309 --> 00:22:36,355
I mean, if you're here
and something',

361
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:38,792
if there's an intelligence
that's greater than you

362
00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:40,576
and they have these abilities
that are greater than you,

363
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:42,012
you know you're gone
and nobody--

364
00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:43,449
nobody's gonna be able to help.

365
00:22:43,492 --> 00:22:46,582
No, but I mean you could tell
the-- the real fear,

366
00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:48,889
because again you know

367
00:22:48,932 --> 00:22:51,718
It's one of those things you
don't talk a lot about, you
know especially in the South.

368
00:22:51,761 --> 00:22:53,241
But when it gets to the point

369
00:22:53,284 --> 00:22:54,851
where you wanna reach out to
somebody,

370
00:22:54,895 --> 00:22:55,939
which I'm glad you did

371
00:22:57,593 --> 00:23:00,553
Uh, because we uncovered
a whole mountain of stuff,
you know.

372
00:23:00,596 --> 00:23:04,818
I think there's times that we
could push ourselves.

373
00:23:04,861 --> 00:23:07,081
But this house sometimes
is so intense

374
00:23:07,124 --> 00:23:08,517
I have to back away.

375
00:23:08,561 --> 00:23:10,432
There's only so much
I can take, you know?

376
00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:13,957
I-- I-- I have a passion for
this field, documentation, but

377
00:23:14,001 --> 00:23:16,873
this house will push you to uh,
a whole another limit.

378
00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,093
Well, you brought up a great
point about--

379
00:23:19,136 --> 00:23:21,443
'cause people have
asked you and me also,

380
00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:24,315
"Why would you be scared
if you've been there
so many times?"

381
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,754
It's because we've experienced
what this house can do.

382
00:23:27,797 --> 00:23:30,365
And when you're in this house
by yourself, when it's dark, l

383
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:32,106
ights are off, door's locked...

384
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:34,064
- [Brad] Yep.
- It's a different ballgame.

385
00:23:34,108 --> 00:23:37,067
Well, it's interesting that you
know, it took the lights

386
00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:39,330
to be the tipping point
for you to reach out

387
00:23:39,374 --> 00:23:42,072
and actually express it
and start getting people
in here to help you.

388
00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:43,726
I mean, maybe somebody else
has experienced that,

389
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:46,337
maybe somebody else
understands what it might be.

390
00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:52,343
[phone ringing]

391
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:59,438
[Alice's voice over the phone]

392
00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:23,462
[Steve] <i>
So, I was invited by Alice</i>

393
00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:25,638
<i>to come
and investigate her house.</i>

394
00:24:25,681 --> 00:24:27,640
<i>At first,
I was a little hesitant,</i>

395
00:24:27,683 --> 00:24:29,032
<i>but I talked to her
on the phone</i>

396
00:24:29,076 --> 00:24:31,774
<i>and something really
is troubling her.</i>

397
00:24:31,818 --> 00:24:34,560
You know, I could just tell
how sincere she was

398
00:24:34,603 --> 00:24:37,040
and how much
this house scared her.

399
00:24:37,084 --> 00:24:39,303
<i>I mean, the fact that it's been 10 years</i>

400
00:24:39,347 --> 00:24:41,088
<i>and she hasn't slept
in the house.</i>

401
00:24:41,131 --> 00:24:44,265
<i>And the fact that she's opened
it up to other people</i>

402
00:24:44,308 --> 00:24:46,702
<i>trying to figure out
what is happening here.</i>

403
00:24:46,746 --> 00:24:50,097
<i>And they showed me a lot of things that I couldn't explain.</i>

404
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:52,447
<i>There may be something
paranormal happening,</i>

405
00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,058
but it
could be anything, you know?

406
00:24:55,102 --> 00:24:56,799
But I wanna start checking
things off.

407
00:24:56,843 --> 00:24:58,148
"Okay, no, it's not this."

408
00:24:58,192 --> 00:25:00,803
And I wanna help them get
to the bottom of it.

409
00:25:18,821 --> 00:25:20,910
- [Steve] Hi, Alice.
- How are you doing?

410
00:25:20,954 --> 00:25:22,521
- [Steve] How are you?
- Good.

411
00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:24,392
- [Steve] It's nice to see you.
- Aww, it's good to see you.

412
00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:26,437
- [Steve] Thank you.
- [Alice] It really is.

413
00:25:26,481 --> 00:25:28,570
Uh, I have some uh,
people here and

414
00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:29,745
- Hey, y'all.
- ...we're ready to do this.

415
00:25:35,882 --> 00:25:37,840
[Steve] <i>John and Brad realized</i>

416
00:25:37,884 --> 00:25:40,800
<i>that they've sort of done
about all that they can.</i>

417
00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:46,588
<i>Now it's time to step in and
bring it to the next level.</i>

418
00:25:48,721 --> 00:25:51,985
<i>It's time to bring in some--
some other people.</i>

419
00:25:53,073 --> 00:25:55,597
I got
all of these different experts

420
00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:57,904
to come together
and get answers.

421
00:26:19,229 --> 00:26:20,448
[Morgan] <i>Millions of years ago,</i>

422
00:26:20,491 --> 00:26:22,929
<i>when the dinosaurs
walked the Earth,</i>

423
00:26:22,972 --> 00:26:25,496
<i>this area was actually
the bottom of the shallow sea.</i>

424
00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:29,849
If you find
a dinosaur bone in Mississippi,

425
00:26:29,892 --> 00:26:32,068
it's not gonna be
a land-based dinosaur.

426
00:26:32,112 --> 00:26:35,028
In fact,
it's a huge prehistoric whale

427
00:26:35,071 --> 00:26:36,943
in the Mississippi
science museum.

428
00:26:37,813 --> 00:26:40,773
<i>All this life settles to the
bottom</i>

429
00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:43,602
<i>and over the eons
becomes limestone.</i>

430
00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:49,390
<i>Florence was an early area
of mining for this limestone.</i>

431
00:26:53,089 --> 00:26:55,222
[John] <i>The house is not
an 1800s house,</i>

432
00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:57,006
<i>the house was built in the '90s.</i>

433
00:26:58,573 --> 00:27:01,271
And even at the construction
of the house,

434
00:27:01,315 --> 00:27:03,317
she already had
experiences going on.

435
00:27:03,883 --> 00:27:06,886
To me, I would assume
that something'
associated with the land

436
00:27:06,929 --> 00:27:08,627
and not necessarily the house.

437
00:27:29,996 --> 00:27:33,042
<i>I'm Qilin Dai from Jackson
State University,</i>

438
00:27:33,086 --> 00:27:35,436
<i>assistant
professor of physics.</i>

439
00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:38,918
There is a theory out
there that limestone

440
00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:42,530
...can perhaps
retain energy and release it.

441
00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:46,708
Uh, would that be something
that's possible in your opinion?

442
00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:48,362
[Qilin] I think
it's very possible.

443
00:27:48,405 --> 00:27:51,060
Limestone and mineral-- other
minerals,

444
00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:53,236
they can absorb energy.

445
00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:56,152
The simplest way
for a lime or rock

446
00:27:56,196 --> 00:27:58,328
to absorb energy
is the heat,

447
00:27:58,372 --> 00:27:59,721
so they can be heated,

448
00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:02,985
so then they have
this energy, thermo energy.

449
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:05,074
And then they can deliver this
energy,

450
00:28:05,118 --> 00:28:07,337
so energy can be
transported through them.

451
00:28:07,903 --> 00:28:09,557
[Steve] Do you think that--

452
00:28:10,427 --> 00:28:13,866
anything
like underground water

453
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:18,435
or moving water
could create a static charge?

454
00:28:18,479 --> 00:28:20,046
Is that even a possibility?

455
00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,222
[Qilin] With water
underground the earth

456
00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:23,789
cannot create any charges.

457
00:28:23,832 --> 00:28:28,141
Maybe because of lighting
something from nature,

458
00:28:28,184 --> 00:28:29,838
<i>it can be charged,</i>

459
00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:32,493
<i>but they cannot create
new charges.</i>

460
00:28:32,536 --> 00:28:33,842
So, this is law.

461
00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:37,063
Okay. As you can see here,

462
00:28:37,106 --> 00:28:40,022
and this is a--
a ball here and um

463
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:42,590
- and...
- Where is the ball?

464
00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:43,896
See that little circle
right there?

465
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:45,201
- Oh, I see it, I see it.
- Yeah.

466
00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:47,464
And what happens a lot of the
time

467
00:28:47,508 --> 00:28:49,858
is it will propel forward

468
00:28:49,902 --> 00:28:55,211
and just start to fall
down the stairs.

469
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:57,953
And, in your opinion,

470
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:02,915
<i>would it be possible
that energy could do that?</i>

471
00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:04,046
It's not earthquake?

472
00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:06,788
That was my first
thought. It was

473
00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:08,050
Yeah, it's a

474
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,619
[Michael] <i>Michael Dennin,</i>

475
00:29:11,662 --> 00:29:13,447
<i>I am the Vice Provost
for teaching and <i>
learning here at UC Irvine.</i></i>

476
00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:19,453
<i>So, it's really interesting
footage like this</i>

477
00:29:19,496 --> 00:29:20,846
where you have like a ball.

478
00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:22,586
In this case, there's a ball in
the stairs

479
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:24,501
<i>and then it suddenly moves and rolls down the stairs.</i>

480
00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:25,764
<i>
First of all, it's a ball,</i>

481
00:29:25,807 --> 00:29:28,027
so that's kind of makes it
a little easier,

482
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:29,506
'cause those do roll.

483
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:31,987
Um, the challenge is figuring
out

484
00:29:32,031 --> 00:29:33,946
what would've kicked or got
the ball rolling.

485
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,427
<i>The dramatic part is simply
that the ball starts it all.</i>

486
00:29:37,471 --> 00:29:39,690
<i>Being on stairs, once it gets
going,</i>

487
00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:40,996
<i>it's gonna fall down the
stairs</i>

488
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,303
<i>and that part is pretty
straightforward.</i>

489
00:29:43,346 --> 00:29:45,435
<i>This is a bit of a challenge.</i>

490
00:29:45,479 --> 00:29:47,873
<i>You can't deny that
the ball moved.</i>

491
00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:51,702
I can speculate,
I can say things like,

492
00:29:51,746 --> 00:29:53,661
"There's a little bit
of shaking in the house."

493
00:29:53,704 --> 00:29:55,576
<i>Some wind you didn't notice.</i>

494
00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:57,970
<i>Which is harder to believe, 'cause winds hardly move a ball.</i>

495
00:29:58,013 --> 00:30:00,537
<i>There's a lot of ways I can imagine if I wanted to fool you,</i>

496
00:30:00,581 --> 00:30:02,583
I could certainly set up ways

497
00:30:02,626 --> 00:30:04,150
that a ball would move with
nobody home.

498
00:30:04,193 --> 00:30:08,328
If the ball is made of iron and
then they have the uh...

499
00:30:08,371 --> 00:30:09,851
- [Steve] Magnet.
- Magnet.

500
00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:12,941
To attract or you know,
repel that--

501
00:30:12,985 --> 00:30:16,162
- that is come different
story for this.
- I see.

502
00:30:16,205 --> 00:30:17,728
[Steve] <i>So, you think if the--</i>

503
00:30:17,772 --> 00:30:20,862
<i>maybe
it's more trickery than</i>

504
00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:21,820
[Qilin] Yeah.

505
00:30:33,309 --> 00:30:35,311
[Steve] I bet
air will do a little bit.

506
00:30:37,705 --> 00:30:38,967
[Brad] There's no breeze

507
00:30:39,011 --> 00:30:41,100
coming through
this house that's this powerful?

508
00:30:41,143 --> 00:30:42,057
[Alice] No.

509
00:30:49,064 --> 00:30:51,458
[Qilin] <i>A ball
can move by itself</i>

510
00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:55,114
<i>maybe we could not see
the uh, force,</i>

511
00:30:55,157 --> 00:30:56,811
for example like air.

512
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,901
We cannot see the air, but we
can prove there are air there.

513
00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:01,598
[Qilin] <i>We could not
see the motion,</i>

514
00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:04,601
<i>but we can see the results,
we can see it's moving.</i>

515
00:31:04,645 --> 00:31:07,039
As a scientist, I don't
believe ghosts at all.

516
00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:08,867
I believe science.

517
00:31:12,131 --> 00:31:15,525
[Michael] <i>Without it being
a complete hoax,</i>

518
00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,745
<i>how would you explain
something like this?</i>

519
00:31:17,788 --> 00:31:21,705
I know ultimately the end result
is a physics action,

520
00:31:21,749 --> 00:31:24,447
like the ball starts moving,

521
00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:28,277
so the immediate cause of that
also has to be a physics action.

522
00:31:28,321 --> 00:31:30,062
I-- I do think it--

523
00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:35,284
it's not air, it's not wind, uh,
it's certainly not magnet.

524
00:31:35,328 --> 00:31:38,200
[Brad] I-- I think we could
check under the stairs maybe.

525
00:31:45,773 --> 00:31:47,209
[Steve] There's no holes here.

526
00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:53,476
Do you wanna see what happens

527
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,305
if I give it
a bit of punch up here?

528
00:31:56,349 --> 00:31:58,394
- [man] Yeah.
- See if the ball moves maybe.

529
00:31:58,438 --> 00:31:59,656
[man] Go ahead.

530
00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:08,970
[Steve] Anything?

531
00:32:09,014 --> 00:32:10,972
[man] Nothing,
it's not even moving.

532
00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:13,018
[Michael] <i>If you
really were there,</i>

533
00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:16,717
I guess rule out what
I would call,
"the trivial physical cases",

534
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,850
<i>and rule out the-- the
cases of hoaxes,</i>

535
00:32:19,894 --> 00:32:22,114
<i>then you're into this interesting realm of,</i>

536
00:32:22,157 --> 00:32:23,985
<i>"Okay, something physical
caused it,</i>

537
00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:25,900
<i>but what caused that physical?"</i>

538
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:28,903
Most ideas of a ghost

539
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:31,427
involve the ghost
being non-physical

540
00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:32,994
in some fundamental way.

541
00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:35,301
Any paranormal explanation

542
00:32:35,344 --> 00:32:37,433
is still going to involve

543
00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:40,306
something applying a force to
the ball.

544
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,351
<i>And so therefore,</i>

545
00:32:42,395 --> 00:32:44,397
<i>the thing applying
the force by definition,</i>

546
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,876
<i>we've just made it
physical.</i>

547
00:32:46,442 --> 00:32:48,401
So, it's just an interesting
conundrum

548
00:32:48,444 --> 00:32:51,578
that, to me, moves it
from science to detective story.

549
00:32:57,192 --> 00:32:59,934
[Brad] <i>In the years
that I've been here,</i>

550
00:33:00,935 --> 00:33:02,763
I want to experience
some lights.

551
00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:04,983
I've seen
so many things in this house

552
00:33:05,461 --> 00:33:07,986
and with my own eyes,

553
00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:11,772
but that's what I wanna--
that's what I wanna see.

554
00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:13,730
Those lights that you saw.

555
00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:16,777
We got all kinds
of just great stuff

556
00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:21,042
and just stuff that's just
direct responses and it's--
it's fully intelligent.

557
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:22,652
You know, it's not residual,

558
00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:25,264
it's intelligent stuff happening
in the house,

559
00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:27,135
but there's that
carrot that's dangling

560
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:28,571
- [Brad] Like the Holy Grail
- [John] Those lights

561
00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:31,052
The Holy Grail of what we're
trying to capture here

562
00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:32,923
is those-- those--
the lights that Alice saw.

563
00:33:32,967 --> 00:33:33,924
[John] Yeah.

564
00:33:37,711 --> 00:33:38,929
[John] <i>Over the years,</i>

565
00:33:38,973 --> 00:33:41,323
<i>I've experienced
one thing with lights.</i>

566
00:33:43,151 --> 00:33:45,719
[John] So, I was upstairs in the
bedroom at the Mississippi house

567
00:33:45,762 --> 00:33:48,200
with the door closed, we were
doing an EVP session.

568
00:33:48,243 --> 00:33:50,028
It was me and one fellow
investigator.

569
00:33:51,681 --> 00:33:54,336
[John] <i>And the bottom frame
of the door</i>

570
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:55,990
<i>turned bright white</i>

571
00:33:57,296 --> 00:33:59,907
<i>and it was
almost like a camera shutter,</i>

572
00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:01,778
<i>two to three flashes of light.</i>

573
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:07,262
<i>I sat there, kind of, in
awe for a few minutes.</i>

574
00:34:07,306 --> 00:34:10,570
<i>It was not raining, there was no thunder, the night was clear.</i>

575
00:34:10,613 --> 00:34:13,051
<i>I opened the door and it
never happened again.</i>

576
00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:15,488
<i>We luckily did capture
that on film.</i>

577
00:34:20,188 --> 00:34:22,190
[Brad] Miss Alice has had
experiences with the lights,

578
00:34:22,234 --> 00:34:24,932
the-- these are the-- the lights
that have scared her

579
00:34:24,975 --> 00:34:27,543
<i>to where she doesn't want to-- to live in this house anymore.</i>

580
00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:33,071
I personally don't feel that's
a spirit activity or a ghost,

581
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:34,550
<i>I think
that's something different.</i>

582
00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:37,379
Perhaps, extra-terrestrial.

583
00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:41,775
<i>It's something different going
on with those lights.</i>

584
00:34:43,472 --> 00:34:46,127
There is a woman who lives
7 miles from me,

585
00:34:46,171 --> 00:34:47,389
she's an elderly lady

586
00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:49,391
and so this happened
when she was a child,

587
00:34:49,435 --> 00:34:53,569
but she said that
her house lit up in a globe.

588
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:55,136
And she said it was brighter
than the sun,

589
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:56,572
I remember that--
that expression.

590
00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:01,490
<i>Many years ago,</i>

591
00:35:01,534 --> 00:35:03,492
when I lived-- when I worked in
Florence,

592
00:35:03,536 --> 00:35:06,147
Alice was in and out
of the library
where I worked a lot,

593
00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:07,409
'cause she lived close by.

594
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:11,196
And I was telling her about this
light that I saw

595
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,980
when I was
growing up

596
00:35:13,023 --> 00:35:14,982
right down in this
community.

597
00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,289
And I was asleep at night

598
00:35:17,332 --> 00:35:19,900
and I was awake, just fla--

599
00:35:19,943 --> 00:35:25,166
you know, flash and my--
my light in my bedroom

600
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:28,909
was lighter than--
well, it was just a white light.

601
00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:31,259
A clear white brilliant light.

602
00:35:31,303 --> 00:35:33,653
[Jerry] Flash bulb bright.

603
00:35:33,696 --> 00:35:36,699
- Yeah, something like that.
- It's just super, super bright.

604
00:35:36,743 --> 00:35:39,659
The trees and the house
on the hill and everything

605
00:35:39,702 --> 00:35:41,095
[Jerry] Brilliant, brilliant

606
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,053
Was just brilliant,
brilliant light.

607
00:35:43,619 --> 00:35:45,099
It just faded away.

608
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,101
And I just went back to bed
and went back to sleep.

609
00:35:47,971 --> 00:35:50,278
You know, it's just-- there's
too much space

610
00:35:51,366 --> 00:35:52,759
to be the only
ones here.

611
00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:56,763
[Jeanette] <i>She didn't know
what that is in her house</i>

612
00:35:56,806 --> 00:35:58,895
<i>and I don't know what
that was at my house.</i>

613
00:36:00,288 --> 00:36:02,377
<i>It's strange, I-- you know,</i>

614
00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:04,771
<i>it-- it's really strange.</i>

615
00:36:07,426 --> 00:36:09,558
[Steve] The woman that I spoke
to you about Alice Jackson.

616
00:36:09,602 --> 00:36:10,907
Uh-huh, yes, yeah.

617
00:36:10,951 --> 00:36:14,041
[Steve] Uh, she'd said that
in her bedroom...

618
00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:19,046
there was a glowing light
and then disappeared.

619
00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:20,395
In-- in your opinion,

620
00:36:20,439 --> 00:36:23,311
is there anything
in terms of energy, science,

621
00:36:23,355 --> 00:36:28,534
things that are happening
that could create an
illuminated ball of light.

622
00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:31,232
A light cannot happen
spontaneously,

623
00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:35,062
it has to have
origin to have this light.

624
00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:37,630
If we have like other light,

625
00:36:37,673 --> 00:36:40,763
maybe reflection
from window or from other place,

626
00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:42,287
it's possible
to have that.

627
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:45,986
Or they have other energy
transfer to become light.

628
00:36:46,029 --> 00:36:49,772
Like uh, thermal energy,
electric energy,

629
00:36:49,816 --> 00:36:51,948
so it's kind of
a complicated question

630
00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:53,428
to-- to
be answered simply.

631
00:36:55,343 --> 00:36:57,998
[Walt] <i>There's a phenomenon in nature called "St. Elmo's fire",</i>

632
00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:01,393
<i>which is a static electricity
discharge.</i>

633
00:37:01,436 --> 00:37:03,917
<i>If you have a build-up of static electricity for some reason,</i>

634
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,527
<i>yeah, it can cause a glow.</i>

635
00:37:05,571 --> 00:37:08,356
Uh, especially if it has some
kind of medium to act on it.

636
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,924
Sometimes, all it takes
is just dust in the air.

637
00:37:11,968 --> 00:37:14,580
<i>If it were a ball of lightning
she was seeing in her house,</i>

638
00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:16,146
she wouldn't have to ask,

639
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:17,626
because it would tear
something up,

640
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:19,846
because this is a lot of
energy, that's very destructive.

641
00:37:21,674 --> 00:37:23,893
[Michael] <i>Strange lights are
often the easiest</i>

642
00:37:23,937 --> 00:37:25,286
<i>to offer different
explanations to</i>

643
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,723
<i>of all physics
phenomenon.</i>

644
00:37:27,767 --> 00:37:30,030
<i>Light is the most flexible
in a weird way.</i>

645
00:37:30,073 --> 00:37:32,989
The challenge is often
recreating them

646
00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:35,601
or figuring out
exactly what did it, um,

647
00:37:35,644 --> 00:37:37,777
at a level that would make
someone confident

648
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:39,953
that it really was
just a physics effect.

649
00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:45,785
<i>If I knew that it was-- had a
natural explanation,</i>

650
00:37:45,828 --> 00:37:48,744
you know like, you know,
I've heard now various theories

651
00:37:48,788 --> 00:37:50,224
about what
could cause lights

652
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,357
and if somebody definitively
said,

653
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,621
"Oh, it's the minerals
and salt, something, you know,

654
00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:57,405
the natural
that's causing the lights."

655
00:37:57,449 --> 00:37:59,364
Then I would
immediately not be afraid.

656
00:37:59,407 --> 00:38:02,367
But uh, since that hasn't
happened,

657
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,412
it might be UFO stuff,

658
00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:07,328
it might be you know, some sort
of inter-dimensional stuff

659
00:38:07,372 --> 00:38:11,158
that was from some civilization
that was more advanced
than we are.

660
00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:12,681
And so, in the beginning,

661
00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:17,382
you thought they were
extra-terrestrial, UFOs?

662
00:38:17,425 --> 00:38:18,861
It-- it crossed my mind.

663
00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:20,167
It really did cross my mind,

664
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:22,300
that was
the very first thing I thought.

665
00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:25,825
I have never seen anything
that I can reconcile this with
in my history, you know,

666
00:38:25,868 --> 00:38:27,435
reading or anything

667
00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:29,872
except maybe all the stuff
that I had heard about
UFO stuff.

668
00:38:29,916 --> 00:38:31,918
You know, beams of light
and people disappearing.

669
00:38:45,018 --> 00:38:50,240
[Calvin] <i>My name's Calvin Parker
and I was abducted in 1973.</i>

670
00:38:50,284 --> 00:38:52,025
<i>October, 1973.</i>

671
00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:55,637
<i>It was just over here, uh,</i>

672
00:38:55,681 --> 00:38:58,771
length of a football field and
back that way.

673
00:38:59,598 --> 00:39:01,469
And that's where it sat down

674
00:39:01,513 --> 00:39:04,733
and when it originally sat down
on a space in the river.

675
00:39:04,777 --> 00:39:07,606
And I could see the blue lights
coming over my shoulder.

676
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,305
<i>When they stopped
and it opened up</i>

677
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,699
<i>and then
a real bright light come out.</i>

678
00:39:14,613 --> 00:39:17,659
<i>Three robot-looking
creatures came out.</i>

679
00:39:18,268 --> 00:39:20,401
<i>Two of 'em got hold of my sail.</i>

680
00:39:20,445 --> 00:39:23,012
<i>Took us aboard,
gave us an examination.</i>

681
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:28,844
<i>I didn't know what a UFO was or an alien was till this happened.</i>

682
00:39:28,888 --> 00:39:31,281
<i>And I still don't know
that it was aliens.</i>

683
00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:34,372
<i>It could've been something from an inter-dimension you know,</i>

684
00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:35,460
<i>travelled through.</i>

685
00:39:35,503 --> 00:39:36,722
<i>I hadn't ruled that out.</i>

686
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,595
All I know is something
happened.

687
00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:49,604
Certainly, for modern physics,

688
00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:53,956
we do believe that the world is
multi-dimensional.

689
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,003
More than just the three
dimensions of space
we move through

690
00:39:57,046 --> 00:39:59,266
and the one dimension of time.

691
00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:01,399
Most of what
we understand about physics

692
00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:05,054
is probably best-explained
with extra dimensions.

693
00:40:05,098 --> 00:40:07,753
It becomes interesting to try
and figure out and understand

694
00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:11,452
what that means for things like
multi-dimensional beings

695
00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:14,281
and how different thing
interact with our reality.

696
00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:17,676
And we're not even at the
beginning
from a physics point of view

697
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,547
to make statements or
understand about that.

698
00:40:19,591 --> 00:40:21,375
I think that's an area of
physics

699
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:24,422
that we're gonna find
fascinating in the future.

700
00:40:25,248 --> 00:40:27,947
[Steve] <i>
I do think that the potential</i>

701
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:31,733
<i>of extraterrestrial life
is there.</i>

702
00:40:31,777 --> 00:40:34,562
Do I think it's in
Alice's bedroom?

703
00:40:34,606 --> 00:40:37,173
No, I definitely
don't think she is,

704
00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:40,002
you know, waiting for the
next alien visit.

705
00:40:40,046 --> 00:40:42,309
But something scared her

706
00:40:42,352 --> 00:40:45,660
and that's what
we're trying to figure out.

707
00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:47,401
<i>What is it?</i>

708
00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:50,448
<i>I think it's something
paranormal.</i>

709
00:40:50,491 --> 00:40:55,453
<i>This is something ghostly, this is something of our world.</i>

710
00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:59,761
<i>I don't think it's anything that has to do with outer space,</i>

711
00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:02,416
<i>UFOs or extraterrestrials.</i>

712
00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:10,511
[Brad] We are recording.
You ready?

713
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,514
- [Alice] You have everything?
- [John] I was born ready.

714
00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:20,303
[Brad] Let me just make sure
this bad boy is still...

715
00:41:20,347 --> 00:41:23,524
[John] We're here tonight
to communicate

716
00:41:23,568 --> 00:41:25,787
with any spirit
that's in this house.

717
00:41:28,311 --> 00:41:30,313
We've been here
for a long time.

718
00:41:31,314 --> 00:41:33,403
We've logged a lot of
hours in this house.

719
00:41:33,926 --> 00:41:36,711
Any intelligent spirit
that's in this house tonight,

720
00:41:37,799 --> 00:41:41,194
we want you to come down here
and communicate with us.

721
00:41:42,151 --> 00:41:43,675
And make yourself known.

722
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:52,945
There's devices to alarm to let
us know that you're near us.

723
00:41:54,947 --> 00:41:56,601
We want you to come down here

724
00:41:58,646 --> 00:42:01,170
and just like you have
many times before

725
00:42:02,171 --> 00:42:05,523
let us know that you're here,
let us feel your energy.

726
00:42:11,964 --> 00:42:14,227
[Brad] I might've
just saw a light dim.

727
00:42:15,141 --> 00:42:17,709
[Sabrina] It's the REM pod.
REM pod's going off.

728
00:42:17,752 --> 00:42:19,537
[Brad] Chandelier light dim
right before that.

729
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:22,801
Just by a few seconds.

730
00:42:22,844 --> 00:42:24,846
[John] Don't worry about the MV.

731
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:26,805
- [Sabrina] Oh, we got
a REM pod going here.
- [Brad] The REM pod over here?

732
00:42:26,848 --> 00:42:29,068
[Ilene] All right, y'all go
ahead, I'll stay in here
and watch this one.

733
00:42:29,111 --> 00:42:30,548
[John] Steady.

734
00:42:30,591 --> 00:42:32,811
[long bip]

735
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:34,769
[Sabrina] This one is off.

736
00:42:36,031 --> 00:42:37,337
It was steady.

737
00:42:39,774 --> 00:42:41,515
See, I have to see patterns.

738
00:42:42,211 --> 00:42:43,822
If all three REM pods goes off,

739
00:42:44,649 --> 00:42:47,652
I'm a little more interested
in this one where
REM pod goin' off.

740
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:50,393
[Brad] I'd like to see
like the light go off

741
00:42:50,437 --> 00:42:52,613
and the REM pod to go
off at the same time.

742
00:42:52,657 --> 00:42:54,267
That'd be much more
convincing for me.

743
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:55,616
[Sabrina] Yeah.
That'd be pretty awesome.

744
00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:04,103
[John] We're trying
to understand and
help you communicate

745
00:43:04,146 --> 00:43:06,279
throughout
the years we've been here.

746
00:43:07,236 --> 00:43:08,673
[strong bips]

747
00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:10,239
[Ilene] Oh, we've got REM
pods everywhere.

748
00:43:10,283 --> 00:43:11,980
[Sabrina] Oh!
Oh, all of 'em are going off.

749
00:43:12,024 --> 00:43:13,678
- We got one at the mantel.
- [Sabrina] We got
a big one here.

750
00:43:13,721 --> 00:43:15,593
One on the stairs,
um, I don't know.

751
00:43:18,987 --> 00:43:20,598
Brad, anything back
here going on?

752
00:43:20,641 --> 00:43:22,164
[Brad] Just the REM pod.

753
00:43:22,208 --> 00:43:23,383
- You have the REM pod too?
- [Sabrina] Another REM pod.

754
00:43:23,426 --> 00:43:24,776
[Ilene] All three of 'em
were going off.

755
00:43:24,819 --> 00:43:27,039
[Brad] So, all three just went
off at the same time?

756
00:43:28,083 --> 00:43:29,128
- [Sabrina] There it goes again.
- [Brad] Which is pretty cool,

757
00:43:29,171 --> 00:43:30,433
because I'd--
I'd mentioned before

758
00:43:30,477 --> 00:43:32,000
about wanting to see
all three of 'em go off.

759
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,568
[Ilene] And yellow and green.

760
00:43:35,177 --> 00:43:37,658
[John] I can't get a center sell
without it going off, huh?

761
00:43:37,702 --> 00:43:39,094
[Alice] Yeah.

762
00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:41,488
- [Brad] Is that all?
- [Alice] Yeah, that's where

763
00:43:41,531 --> 00:43:43,664
[Brad] Yeah,
I'll just shut my mouth.

764
00:43:43,708 --> 00:43:47,146
<i>It's a little more interesting
to me for sure when all these <i>
devices go off.</i></i>

765
00:43:47,842 --> 00:43:49,844
<i>However, I'm still
not 100% sold.</i>

766
00:43:52,717 --> 00:43:55,415
[John] We use
some uh, devices and

767
00:43:55,458 --> 00:43:57,678
uh, they measure energy.

768
00:43:57,722 --> 00:44:00,333
And uh, we had one set up
in the living room,

769
00:44:00,376 --> 00:44:02,465
one in the back bedroom,
one in the stairs.

770
00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:04,729
<i>We wanted to separate 'em
as much as possible.</i>

771
00:44:04,772 --> 00:44:07,383
<i>Uh, and we do that so
there's consistency.</i>

772
00:44:07,427 --> 00:44:10,691
<i>If one can go off, we can
manipulate another one.</i>

773
00:44:10,735 --> 00:44:12,867
<i>Uh, if they all go off at the
same time,</i>

774
00:44:12,911 --> 00:44:14,869
<i>that's-- that's
pretty impressive,</i>

775
00:44:14,913 --> 00:44:19,004
<i>which is indicative
of some kind of energy,</i>

776
00:44:19,047 --> 00:44:21,093
<i>something-- uh,
something going on.</i>

777
00:44:21,136 --> 00:44:22,616
<i>Something not normal.</i>

778
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:25,750
<i>It's something, over the years, I've just never had happen.</i>

779
00:44:27,403 --> 00:44:29,710
<i>The light of God surrounds us,</i>

780
00:44:29,754 --> 00:44:32,626
the love of God enfolds us,

781
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:34,976
the power of God protects us,

782
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:37,587
<i>the presence of God
watches over us.</i>

783
00:44:37,631 --> 00:44:41,243
<i>Wherever we are, God
is and all is well.</i>

784
00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:48,033
[strong bip]

785
00:44:48,076 --> 00:44:49,164
[Brad] There's a REM pod going.

786
00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:50,862
[Sabrina] Oh,
where's that REM pod?

787
00:44:50,905 --> 00:44:52,167
- [Ilene] Is that
REM pod up there?
- [Brad] Back bedroom.

788
00:44:52,211 --> 00:44:53,429
[Ilene] Back in that-- you
or is it going off?

789
00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:54,953
[John] Back room! Here.

790
00:44:54,996 --> 00:44:56,041
[Brad] Okay, great.

791
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:00,698
[strong bip]

792
00:45:01,916 --> 00:45:03,352
[John] This room is heavy, man.

793
00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:07,182
<i>And as soon as I came in
the room, I felt uneasy.</i>

794
00:45:07,226 --> 00:45:09,141
[Alice] We've actually had
two mediums

795
00:45:09,184 --> 00:45:11,796
who didn't know each other
and hadn't been here before

796
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:14,624
and both of 'em said
that there was a figure

797
00:45:14,668 --> 00:45:17,236
that they felt a presence
of it near that chair.

798
00:45:18,063 --> 00:45:22,589
And that he really was stern
and-- and guarded.

799
00:45:22,632 --> 00:45:25,374
He was like a guard for the,
you know the room,

800
00:45:25,418 --> 00:45:27,986
the place that
he felt like, it was his place.

801
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:31,206
- [Brad] Interesting.
- [John] Just like that.

802
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:33,643
[Brad] I can't explain that--
that much consistency.

803
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:36,429
That was wild.

804
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,872
[Steve] <i>Alice has had psychics
investigate the house before</i>

805
00:45:44,916 --> 00:45:47,832
<i>and she wanted to have another one take a look around.</i>

806
00:45:47,875 --> 00:45:50,922
And I don't use psychics
on-- on many investigations

807
00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:54,360
just because it's very hard
to quantify what they're saying,

808
00:45:54,403 --> 00:45:56,536
<i>but this was
important to Alice.</i>

809
00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:58,756
<i>So, we got somebody
from out of state,</i>

810
00:45:58,799 --> 00:46:00,105
<i>they came from California.</i>

811
00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:02,063
<i>One thing I did think it was
important is</i>

812
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:04,979
<i>using a psychic or
a medium</i>

813
00:46:05,023 --> 00:46:06,807
<i>who has never been to
the house before</i>

814
00:46:06,851 --> 00:46:08,461
<i>and even furthermore,</i>

815
00:46:08,504 --> 00:46:11,681
<i>making sure they didn't have any idea where they were going.</i>

816
00:46:11,725 --> 00:46:13,335
<i>
She didn't know anything,</i>

817
00:46:15,424 --> 00:46:18,036
<i>only because that would
lend more credibility <i>
to what they were saying.</i></i>

818
00:46:24,216 --> 00:46:25,695
[woman] Very interesting.

819
00:46:40,841 --> 00:46:42,582
Oh, okay.

820
00:46:51,504 --> 00:46:53,288
Now am I--

821
00:46:53,332 --> 00:46:54,463
- do you just want me
to go on in.
- [Steve] Yeah, that's right.

822
00:46:59,904 --> 00:47:01,949
- [Steve] Ring the bell.
- [Jill] Yeah.

823
00:47:08,608 --> 00:47:09,783
- Hi!
- [Jill] Hi.

824
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:11,916
- [Jill] I'm Jill.
- I'm Alice. Come in.

825
00:47:11,959 --> 00:47:14,048
- Nice to meet you, Alice.
- Nice to meet you, too.

826
00:47:14,092 --> 00:47:15,702
Thank you for having me here.

827
00:47:15,745 --> 00:47:17,399
Absolutely, we're delighted.

828
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:20,663
- Where would you like me to go?
- The house is yours.

829
00:47:20,707 --> 00:47:22,665
- Okay.
- [Alice] This is yours.

830
00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,189
[Jill] Very good.

831
00:47:24,232 --> 00:47:28,236
So uh, what I'll do is I'm
just gonna start down here.

832
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,891
I am not gonna say
too much at first,

833
00:47:30,935 --> 00:47:35,765
if you have any questions
though for me, feel free to ask.

834
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:37,985
Okay.

835
00:47:38,029 --> 00:47:40,858
[Alice] And I'm just gonna
sit over here.

836
00:47:52,304 --> 00:47:53,871
[Jill] Hmm. Is this a door
to go outside?

837
00:47:53,914 --> 00:47:55,655
[Alice] It is, you can open
it if you'd like.

838
00:47:55,698 --> 00:47:57,222
- [Jill] Do you mind?
- [Alice] No, not at all.

839
00:47:57,265 --> 00:47:59,572
- [Jill] Okay,
I have to do this.
- [Alice] Not at all.

840
00:48:06,057 --> 00:48:08,146
[Jill] I have to get out here
and look at this.

841
00:48:19,244 --> 00:48:21,289
It's very interesting.

842
00:48:27,121 --> 00:48:29,036
[Jill] Can I ask you a question?

843
00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:31,691
Was there a house
that was right over here

844
00:48:31,734 --> 00:48:34,346
- that's no longer there?
- Behind Yes.

845
00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:36,000
[Jill]
That's what I thought, okay.

846
00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:37,653
That's important to me.

847
00:49:00,807 --> 00:49:03,201
What I like to do is I just like
to go through

848
00:49:03,244 --> 00:49:05,681
and pick some
really strong focal points

849
00:49:05,725 --> 00:49:06,987
and then I'm gonna
address them

850
00:49:07,031 --> 00:49:08,728
like I did with that other door.

851
00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:11,644
I'm just checking
everything out.

852
00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:15,474
Okay.

853
00:49:26,528 --> 00:49:27,834
This one now.

854
00:49:33,448 --> 00:49:34,580
[Jill] Wow.

855
00:49:35,885 --> 00:49:38,018
There's a lot of different
dimensions going on,

856
00:49:38,062 --> 00:49:40,586
there's a lot of shifting
going on in this house.

857
00:49:49,421 --> 00:49:50,900
Okay.

858
00:49:52,076 --> 00:49:55,166
I'm gonna ask you a
couple of questions.

859
00:49:55,209 --> 00:49:59,648
About a week ago, I started
having some very unusual dreams

860
00:49:59,692 --> 00:50:02,173
that turned
into what I call a "series."

861
00:50:02,216 --> 00:50:05,176
I document them, I
have a dream diary.

862
00:50:05,219 --> 00:50:07,004
I also sometimes sketch.

863
00:50:07,613 --> 00:50:10,311
What is so unusual

864
00:50:10,355 --> 00:50:12,966
is as soon as I saw that door,
went outside,

865
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:15,534
I knew this was the door.

866
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,624
This is the sketch that I did,

867
00:50:18,667 --> 00:50:21,279
the walking stick leaning up
against the door.

868
00:50:21,322 --> 00:50:23,672
- Do you have a walking stick?
- Uh, uh, hundreds.

869
00:50:23,716 --> 00:50:25,718
[Jill] That's-- that's insane.

870
00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:28,373
[Alice] With faces,
I collect 'em.

871
00:50:29,417 --> 00:50:31,289
[Jill] I don't even know if
I should say this.

872
00:50:35,989 --> 00:50:37,817
- I don't know if this
- I'm a psychiatric nurse,

873
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:41,081
I've heard of murder stories,
I've heard of abuse, everything

874
00:50:41,125 --> 00:50:43,692
i don't want you to panic, it's
nothing to panic about

875
00:50:43,736 --> 00:50:46,565
but it is to me,
it's a very sad imprint.

876
00:50:46,608 --> 00:50:49,176
There was somebody killed
in your backyard.

877
00:50:51,483 --> 00:50:54,703
I do think there were landowners
that lived here initially

878
00:50:54,747 --> 00:50:58,185
that did not treat
people so well.

879
00:50:58,229 --> 00:51:01,145
The male, I feel him here.

880
00:51:01,188 --> 00:51:03,886
I don't use this phrase
very often,

881
00:51:04,974 --> 00:51:07,281
but he was an evil person.

882
00:51:07,325 --> 00:51:09,936
And I do think he had
something to do

883
00:51:09,979 --> 00:51:12,025
with the man that was
killed in the back.

884
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:18,858
He's going to do whatever he can
to try to get you to give up.

885
00:51:18,901 --> 00:51:21,252
If he could burn this
house down, he would.

886
00:51:24,168 --> 00:51:27,171
Like I keep seeing
things on fire,

887
00:51:27,214 --> 00:51:31,175
it's constantly setting
fire, constantly setting fire.

888
00:51:31,218 --> 00:51:33,960
We had a number of people
who heard that.

889
00:51:34,003 --> 00:51:35,092
[loud bip]

890
00:51:39,139 --> 00:51:40,923
[Steve] Then that's weird.

891
00:51:45,232 --> 00:51:48,235
[Jill] You struck a thought.

892
00:51:48,279 --> 00:51:51,064
I've heard of history
of fires in this town.

893
00:51:54,023 --> 00:51:57,201
[Mary Alice] <i>
Florence burned several times.</i>

894
00:51:59,072 --> 00:52:01,205
First time it was uh,

895
00:52:01,248 --> 00:52:03,381
facing west
and when they rebuilt,

896
00:52:03,424 --> 00:52:04,860
they built it north,

897
00:52:04,904 --> 00:52:08,908
so that's the reason it's built
with facing north now.

898
00:52:10,431 --> 00:52:12,390
[Jill] Do we know
what caused the fire?

899
00:52:12,433 --> 00:52:14,566
And from what I know, they--
they don't know.

900
00:52:14,609 --> 00:52:15,915
I mean, you know?

901
00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:17,569
- But the fire created
- But there

902
00:52:17,612 --> 00:52:19,048
Wherever the fire was created,

903
00:52:19,092 --> 00:52:21,834
the-- the uh, geographical
reconfiguration.

904
00:52:21,877 --> 00:52:23,705
- [fire detector bips]
- [Alice] Uh-huh.

905
00:52:23,749 --> 00:52:25,272
That's what--
that's what he was saying that
-- that-- that-- that

906
00:52:31,278 --> 00:52:32,584
[Jill] It's a fire detector.

907
00:52:32,627 --> 00:52:33,846
[Brad] All right, right there
in the hallway.

908
00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:35,804
[Jill] Smoke detector.

909
00:52:35,848 --> 00:52:37,241
We're talking about fire

910
00:52:37,284 --> 00:52:38,894
and the smoke detector
battery beeps.

911
00:52:43,595 --> 00:52:45,858
[Alice] My neighbor
Erin next door,

912
00:52:45,901 --> 00:52:47,816
moved there when she was 5
years old.

913
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:51,124
And uh, she's had a very
significant part in this house,

914
00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:54,258
but the main thing is that when
she was 5 years old,

915
00:52:54,301 --> 00:52:58,479
she would tell me that
there was something
buried in the backyard.

916
00:52:58,523 --> 00:53:00,438
And I would say, "What?"

917
00:53:00,481 --> 00:53:02,744
And she would say, "It
might be a body."

918
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:09,011
<i>I've lived
in this house next door</i>

919
00:53:09,055 --> 00:53:10,883
since I was about 5
years old.

920
00:53:11,405 --> 00:53:13,538
And ever since I've lived here,

921
00:53:13,581 --> 00:53:15,888
I've always thought there was
something different

922
00:53:15,931 --> 00:53:18,151
about next-door
even as a child.

923
00:53:19,805 --> 00:53:22,242
<i>Uh, I would walk
over there sometimes</i>

924
00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:23,461
<i>and one day I was over there</i>

925
00:53:23,504 --> 00:53:24,984
and I just had
a strong feeling of,

926
00:53:25,027 --> 00:53:27,247
"Oh, there's
something, something different."

927
00:53:27,291 --> 00:53:30,337
And uh, I was probably
6 or 7 years old.

928
00:53:30,381 --> 00:53:33,340
And I was just convinced

929
00:53:33,384 --> 00:53:36,822
that there was somebody
buried in the backyard.

930
00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:40,391
<i>And um, I-- I told my parents
for years</i>

931
00:53:40,434 --> 00:53:43,829
<i>that there is somebody
buried in that backyard.</i>

932
00:53:43,872 --> 00:53:46,353
<i>And uh, you couldn't convince
me otherwise.</i>

933
00:53:46,397 --> 00:53:47,920
<i>And I-- I still think that now.</i>

934
00:53:47,963 --> 00:53:50,618
I was very adamant about
it as a child.

935
00:53:50,662 --> 00:53:52,664
And I still get that feeling

936
00:53:52,707 --> 00:53:56,842
over there and when I'm in that
spot, I'm just driven to that--

937
00:53:56,885 --> 00:53:59,584
that particular area and I
always have been.

938
00:54:00,324 --> 00:54:03,022
<i>One time I-- I said I was gonna go dig it up</i>

939
00:54:03,065 --> 00:54:05,285
<i>and prove that
there was something there.</i>

940
00:54:07,505 --> 00:54:09,594
If you walk
between our house and Alice's,

941
00:54:09,637 --> 00:54:12,292
you'll see the property line.

942
00:54:12,336 --> 00:54:15,904
These big oak trees that
make a straight line.

943
00:54:15,948 --> 00:54:17,558
<i>That's the property line.</i>

944
00:54:17,602 --> 00:54:19,865
<i>Seems like once you cross that
property line, you're...</i>

945
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:22,911
- In a different dimension.
- You're protected, yeah.

946
00:54:22,955 --> 00:54:23,956
- Yeah.
- It won't let us...

947
00:54:25,392 --> 00:54:28,613
My parents sadly have never had
anything happen um,

948
00:54:28,656 --> 00:54:30,876
we never uh noticed anything,
heard anything,

949
00:54:30,919 --> 00:54:35,272
but the minute you cross
back over this tree line
into her yard,

950
00:54:35,315 --> 00:54:38,579
it um-- you can
just feel it that it's here.

951
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,757
<i>I was visiting
with Miss Alice once</i>

952
00:54:42,801 --> 00:54:46,587
<i>and we were sitting in the
dining room up-- under the-the <i>
chandelier light.</i></i>

953
00:54:47,458 --> 00:54:50,287
And she goes, "Look, look up."

954
00:54:50,330 --> 00:54:54,334
And I looked up and the-- the
chandelier um,

955
00:54:54,378 --> 00:54:58,077
it had rotated itself
like with the chain,

956
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,253
there was no tension in it.

957
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:02,690
It was-- it was tilted
on its side.

958
00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:04,605
And I screamed, I mean,

959
00:55:04,649 --> 00:55:07,173
real loud scream
and she screamed

960
00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:10,568
<i>and both of us
jumped up and ran <i>
over to the front door.</i></i>

961
00:55:11,395 --> 00:55:13,701
And the chandelier let go

962
00:55:13,745 --> 00:55:17,270
and it was swinging
so hard and far,

963
00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:19,185
like this, just going

964
00:55:19,228 --> 00:55:20,186
Like a pendulum.

965
00:55:20,229 --> 00:55:22,406
Yeah, it was scary.

966
00:55:22,449 --> 00:55:24,103
I've been scared over there

967
00:55:24,146 --> 00:55:26,061
and just scared
to go over there many times.

968
00:55:33,982 --> 00:55:35,244
[John] Flashlight?

969
00:55:37,116 --> 00:55:39,205
Here, give you a light.

970
00:55:39,248 --> 00:55:40,293
Thank you.

971
00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:42,600
- [Brad] Hey, Erin.
- [Erin] Hey.

972
00:55:43,601 --> 00:55:44,645
[Jill] So

973
00:55:44,689 --> 00:55:46,038
I'm doing well, how
are you doing?

974
00:55:46,081 --> 00:55:48,170
- [Brad] Good, good to see you.
- [Erin] You too.

975
00:55:48,214 --> 00:55:49,650
How are you?

976
00:55:49,694 --> 00:55:51,173
- [Erin] I'm good.
- [John] Long time no see.

977
00:55:51,217 --> 00:55:52,610
You doing all right?

978
00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:53,915
- Yeah, I'm hanging in there.
- [John] Good, good.

979
00:55:53,959 --> 00:55:56,353
[Alice] So, we're going to go

980
00:55:56,831 --> 00:55:58,050
to where you think

981
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,966
there might be
something in the backyard.

982
00:56:01,445 --> 00:56:03,055
- Yes.
- Okay.

983
00:56:03,098 --> 00:56:04,578
- There are a couple of spots.
- So, we're gonna follow you.

984
00:56:05,623 --> 00:56:06,754
Okay.

985
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,720
[Alice] Watch your steps.

986
00:56:25,817 --> 00:56:27,775
[Brad] So, you felt like drawn
to this spot, Erin?

987
00:56:27,819 --> 00:56:30,822
Yeah, since I was uh, probably
about 6 years old,

988
00:56:30,865 --> 00:56:32,563
I've always felt
that there was--

989
00:56:32,606 --> 00:56:34,042
there's
something over on this land.

990
00:56:34,086 --> 00:56:36,697
That every time I was in one
of-- in this spot,

991
00:56:36,741 --> 00:56:38,699
one of the stronger ones,

992
00:56:38,743 --> 00:56:40,919
I just always
thought it was a body here.

993
00:56:40,962 --> 00:56:44,313
Or something significant
happened to the body here.

994
00:56:44,357 --> 00:56:46,011
But this is one of
the main ones.

995
00:56:46,054 --> 00:56:49,449
This was the one that I-- I
came to when I was real little.

996
00:56:49,493 --> 00:56:52,539
We would come over here and
play like little tea parties

997
00:56:52,583 --> 00:56:54,019
And stuff at her backyard.

998
00:56:54,062 --> 00:56:55,412
She'd let us in.

999
00:56:55,455 --> 00:56:58,327
And I just didn't want to
come play in this spot.

1000
00:56:58,371 --> 00:57:03,028
Erin actually did find four
bodies near the Pearl River.

1001
00:57:03,071 --> 00:57:05,465
People knew they were
there from the Civil War

1002
00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:09,295
and uh, and adults
were trying to find those
bodies and they couldn't.

1003
00:57:09,338 --> 00:57:11,471
That other guy told me that

1004
00:57:11,515 --> 00:57:14,082
when he took me
along that sometimes children

1005
00:57:14,126 --> 00:57:16,433
are more open to-- to
things

1006
00:57:16,476 --> 00:57:19,174
that adults want to be
close-minded to.

1007
00:57:19,218 --> 00:57:21,307
And so, he wanted me to try it.

1008
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:22,700
And um,

1009
00:57:22,743 --> 00:57:24,919
everywhere that I walked
over and they crossed,

1010
00:57:24,963 --> 00:57:27,095
they put a flag
and then later that day,

1011
00:57:27,139 --> 00:57:28,488
went and did whatever they do.

1012
00:57:28,532 --> 00:57:31,056
And where I had marked, they
found all four bodies.

1013
00:57:31,099 --> 00:57:33,101
[Brad] That validates
this one here.

1014
00:57:33,145 --> 00:57:34,233
- Validates, yeah.
- Right.

1015
00:57:34,276 --> 00:57:35,539
[Brad] And what else.

1016
00:57:35,582 --> 00:57:36,714
How could you have more
validation than that,

1017
00:57:36,757 --> 00:57:38,585
that's impressive.

1018
00:57:38,629 --> 00:57:41,414
Well, you wanna try to do
a EVP session right here?

1019
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:42,763
- [Brad] Sure.
- Are you okay with that?

1020
00:57:42,807 --> 00:57:44,330
Oh yeah, take it around?

1021
00:57:45,462 --> 00:57:47,986
But-- but you know, you
can grab onto me.

1022
00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:49,770
- Okay.
- You trust me after a
few years, don't you?

1023
00:57:49,814 --> 00:57:51,598
Yeah, I'll do it, I'll
hang out-- okay.

1024
00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:53,731
All right, you ready?

1025
00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:54,601
- [Brad] Yeah.
- Okay.

1026
00:57:58,083 --> 00:58:00,520
Is there somebody out
here in the yard?

1027
00:58:00,564 --> 00:58:01,913
Or the land?

1028
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:07,353
Can you give us
some kind of sign

1029
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:10,835
that you're aware that
Erin is standing right here?

1030
00:58:14,316 --> 00:58:15,796
Do you know Erin?

1031
00:58:17,972 --> 00:58:19,365
[Brad] Hear that?

1032
00:58:21,149 --> 00:58:23,282
- [John] It's like rustling
in the bushes.
- [Brad] Yeah, yeah.

1033
00:58:29,593 --> 00:58:31,595
Is there something
buried in the yard?

1034
00:58:32,247 --> 00:58:33,379
[loud thump]

1035
00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:36,382
I'm not gonna lie,
I jumped a little.

1036
00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:38,297
[Brad] That was a little--
it was kinda loud.

1037
00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:42,606
It was kinda loud
whatever that was.

1038
00:58:45,347 --> 00:58:47,175
- [John] Can you tell us what
- [Erin] I feel like I'm
gonna throw up.

1039
00:58:47,219 --> 00:58:49,917
- [Brad] Really?
- Real sick.

1040
00:58:50,701 --> 00:58:52,311
Mm-hmm.

1041
00:58:52,354 --> 00:58:53,660
Just give me a-- I just
need to breathe.

1042
00:58:53,704 --> 00:58:55,532
- [John] Okay.
- Let me breath for a moment.

1043
00:58:55,575 --> 00:58:57,751
- [John] Wanna
walk out this way?
- [Erin] Mm-hmm.

1044
00:58:57,795 --> 00:59:00,493
- [Brad] Which way?
- [Erin] Just over here
to the bushes.

1045
00:59:01,712 --> 00:59:03,104
[John] Oh my God.

1046
00:59:04,018 --> 00:59:05,542
- [Brad] You okay?
- [Erin] Mm-hmm.

1047
00:59:17,162 --> 00:59:18,380
[Erin gagging]

1048
00:59:26,954 --> 00:59:28,347
[John] You okay?

1049
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:32,525
[Erin] My stomach just got
tied up in knots.

1050
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:33,613
[John] It's okay.

1051
00:59:35,354 --> 00:59:36,877
[Erin] I don't think
I've ever spent

1052
00:59:36,921 --> 00:59:38,836
longer than four seconds
standing in that spot.

1053
01:00:11,695 --> 01:00:15,046
[Steve] Right now, we have
a dog roaming the property

1054
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:16,308
and trying to see
if he can get hits

1055
01:00:16,351 --> 01:00:18,615
and see if he can pick up

1056
01:00:18,658 --> 01:00:24,577
on the scent of the bacteria
that feeds on human remains.

1057
01:00:45,467 --> 01:00:47,687
[Robert]
Probing the aerated soil,

1058
01:00:47,731 --> 01:00:52,561
so that if there is any cadaver
source here

1059
01:00:53,824 --> 01:00:56,914
it will allow the odor

1060
01:00:56,957 --> 01:01:00,004
to come up easier

1061
01:01:00,831 --> 01:01:05,183
and make it a little stronger
for the dog to be able to work.

1062
01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:12,756
[Paulette] Slight interest
and you can see

1063
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:14,671
where he kept going back
to that one area.

1064
01:01:14,714 --> 01:01:16,107
So, I'm going to run him
through that area.

1065
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:23,505
<i>If it's someone buried,</i>

1066
01:01:23,549 --> 01:01:26,378
<i>the dog's gonna show a lot of interest to the trees.</i>

1067
01:01:26,421 --> 01:01:28,162
And if a body is buried
somewhere

1068
01:01:28,902 --> 01:01:30,861
and the trees grow up,

1069
01:01:30,904 --> 01:01:32,906
well they use the body as
nourishment.

1070
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:36,170
And so, the tree takes on that
odor

1071
01:01:36,214 --> 01:01:38,129
and it's in their leaves
and things like that.

1072
01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:56,408
[Paulette] <i>He's going around
these clumps of trees.</i>

1073
01:01:56,451 --> 01:01:59,367
<i>These are the only trees that he's looking up into, you know,</i>

1074
01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:01,195
<i>cause there are a lot of trees
on this property,</i>

1075
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:04,633
but this section was
what he's showing interest in

1076
01:02:04,677 --> 01:02:06,200
and looking up into
the trees.

1077
01:02:06,244 --> 01:02:10,161
<i>It's kinda like when we did a
case in another state,</i>

1078
01:02:10,204 --> 01:02:11,989
<i>the body was buried</i>

1079
01:02:12,032 --> 01:02:14,208
<i>uh, and then they went back
and dug it up</i>

1080
01:02:14,252 --> 01:02:15,732
<i>and moved it
to another location.</i>

1081
01:02:15,775 --> 01:02:17,777
<i>The odor and the decomp was
still in the ground.</i>

1082
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:19,736
<i>So, it's that type of thing.</i>

1083
01:02:19,779 --> 01:02:22,782
So, yeah it could be way old.

1084
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:29,789
[Paulette] <i>He's not given us
a definite location.</i>

1085
01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:32,313
He's just giving us where he is
picking up odor

1086
01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:34,533
and it's coming
through the trees.

1087
01:02:34,576 --> 01:02:37,666
It's the odor that he has been
trained for,

1088
01:02:37,710 --> 01:02:39,581
I would investigate and see

1089
01:02:39,625 --> 01:02:41,409
whether or not there
was a cemetery here.

1090
01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:43,803
And if they moved any bodies

1091
01:02:43,847 --> 01:02:46,980
and that may give you
an answer to
why the odor is here.

1092
01:03:02,343 --> 01:03:05,651
We brought some cadaver
dogs over there, right?

1093
01:03:05,694 --> 01:03:07,087
[Jeanette] Uh-huh.

1094
01:03:07,131 --> 01:03:10,569
Um, which they smell
decomposition and bacteria

1095
01:03:10,612 --> 01:03:13,615
that feeds on human bodies--
that sort of thing.

1096
01:03:13,659 --> 01:03:15,574
And those dogs were picking up

1097
01:03:15,617 --> 01:03:18,272
that odor in and around her yard

1098
01:03:18,316 --> 01:03:22,363
and so, we wanted to do a little
research and see if perhaps

1099
01:03:22,407 --> 01:03:25,584
there's ever been
any sort of evidence

1100
01:03:26,367 --> 01:03:31,111
of a burial there or a
graveyard at any point in time?

1101
01:03:31,155 --> 01:03:35,159
This is a picture of the
Florence Cemetery.

1102
01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:37,030
[Steve] Right, yep.

1103
01:03:37,074 --> 01:03:39,206
This part that's clear

1104
01:03:39,946 --> 01:03:43,820
that is the original part
of the cemetery.

1105
01:03:44,342 --> 01:03:45,430
[Steve] All this here?

1106
01:03:45,473 --> 01:03:47,084
- All of this.
- [Steve] Okay, okay.

1107
01:03:47,127 --> 01:03:51,001
When the town burned, all of
the records were burned.

1108
01:03:52,350 --> 01:03:57,877
And there is not any records
anywhere on that part of it.

1109
01:03:57,921 --> 01:03:59,444
[Steve] I see.

1110
01:03:59,487 --> 01:04:03,317
Do you think where Miss Alice's
house is that perhaps

1111
01:04:03,361 --> 01:04:05,450
there could have been
something like that

1112
01:04:05,493 --> 01:04:09,367
before record keeping,
like before it all burnt?

1113
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:11,021
It could be, but if it is,

1114
01:04:11,064 --> 01:04:13,327
I don't think there is
any record of that.

1115
01:04:13,371 --> 01:04:16,983
So, if there was a grave of some
sort or a burial

1116
01:04:17,027 --> 01:04:19,943
where Miss Alice lives now,

1117
01:04:19,986 --> 01:04:22,467
it would've had
to have been before the fire.

1118
01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:23,772
[Jeanette] Right.

1119
01:04:23,816 --> 01:04:26,819
In regards to this, where
is Alice's house?

1120
01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:28,212
Is it say, north?

1121
01:04:28,255 --> 01:04:30,475
- [Jeanette] Okay. Right.
- Is it east or west?

1122
01:04:30,518 --> 01:04:33,260
[Jeanette] All right, she's
on this Clear Branch road.

1123
01:04:33,304 --> 01:04:34,392
[Steve] Okay.

1124
01:04:34,435 --> 01:04:36,873
[Jeanette]
So, it will be up here.

1125
01:04:36,916 --> 01:04:38,962
Okay, so her house
is somewhere...

1126
01:04:39,005 --> 01:04:40,877
Her house would be around here.

1127
01:04:41,399 --> 01:04:46,273
So, her house is around here
where the unmarked section is.

1128
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:49,320
Right, it would be
on about there.

1129
01:04:51,104 --> 01:04:54,455
[Steve] <i>So, there are plenty of unmarked burials in Florence,</i>

1130
01:04:54,499 --> 01:04:56,588
<i>but no real evidence
to show</i>

1131
01:04:56,631 --> 01:04:58,764
<i>that it's right there
on Alice's property.</i>

1132
01:04:59,286 --> 01:05:04,248
But nobody knows where those
burials were prior to the fire.

1133
01:05:04,291 --> 01:05:06,641
After the fire, everything
was destroyed.

1134
01:05:06,685 --> 01:05:08,730
<i>All the records for the town,</i>

1135
01:05:08,774 --> 01:05:11,908
<i>so, there could have been
something prior.</i>

1136
01:05:12,386 --> 01:05:16,303
<i>We can't jump to any
conclusions, <i>
but we can speculate.</i></i>

1137
01:05:20,612 --> 01:05:23,876
[Steve] <i>Would you ever consider
moving back into the house <i>
and living here?</i></i>

1138
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,965
<i>What would it take?</i>

1139
01:05:26,792 --> 01:05:28,098
I uh--

1140
01:05:28,794 --> 01:05:30,927
if I didn't live here alone,
you know,

1141
01:05:30,970 --> 01:05:32,450
if somebody else lived with me,

1142
01:05:32,493 --> 01:05:34,278
I'd probably, you know,
I could do it, I could do it.

1143
01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:37,629
But-- but alone here, uh, I
haven't come to that point.

1144
01:05:37,672 --> 01:05:39,936
I mean, I haven't been
to that place yet.

1145
01:05:39,979 --> 01:05:41,241
I really haven't.

1146
01:05:41,285 --> 01:05:42,547
I'm not saying I couldn't,
but I haven't.

1147
01:05:42,590 --> 01:05:44,027
I'm not ready yet.

1148
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:48,945
Because I still, I still don't
know where I might end up.

1149
01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:52,600
[Steve] <i>I hope
this process helps her,</i>

1150
01:05:52,644 --> 01:05:55,255
I really do, that's the goal,
that's what we're trying to...

1151
01:05:55,299 --> 01:05:57,649
I think we're 80% there,
to be honest with you.

1152
01:05:57,692 --> 01:05:58,998
I think we're about 80% there.

1153
01:06:00,608 --> 01:06:04,351
<i>Are we ever gonna get her back in the house sleeping at night?</i>

1154
01:06:04,395 --> 01:06:05,352
I don't know.

1155
01:06:06,527 --> 01:06:08,790
I hope through this
process, it uh...

1156
01:06:15,014 --> 01:06:17,364
There's no crying in
ghost hunting, so...

1157
01:06:19,018 --> 01:06:20,715
<i>I want to get to the point</i>

1158
01:06:20,759 --> 01:06:24,937
<i>where we can get her
at peace with all of this.</i>

1159
01:06:24,981 --> 01:06:26,547
<i>She wants to get back here,</i>

1160
01:06:26,591 --> 01:06:28,419
<i>she wants to live here,
she wants to be in here.</i>

1161
01:06:28,462 --> 01:06:29,724
<i>She wants to do everything.</i>

1162
01:06:29,768 --> 01:06:31,117
She knew it was the place
to raise a family,

1163
01:06:31,161 --> 01:06:33,032
her daughter, her everything.

1164
01:06:33,076 --> 01:06:35,034
And uh, it was taken
away from her and uh,

1165
01:06:35,078 --> 01:06:37,471
we need to get that
back.

1166
01:06:38,646 --> 01:06:41,258
[Alice] <i>The reason I still have my house and I haven't sold it</i>

1167
01:06:41,301 --> 01:06:43,738
is because I really believe
it has a purpose.

1168
01:06:43,782 --> 01:06:45,784
I think, you know,
opening it up to people

1169
01:06:45,827 --> 01:06:47,699
is the way that
something will be found.

1170
01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:50,223
If I sold it, somebody else
might not be open to that.

1171
01:06:51,137 --> 01:06:52,965
<i>But I think there's more to it.</i>

1172
01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:56,577
<i>I think everybody involved in
this house</i>

1173
01:06:56,621 --> 01:06:58,753
has a real closeness,

1174
01:06:58,797 --> 01:07:01,104
a genuine concern
about each other.

1175
01:07:01,147 --> 01:07:03,280
<i>I really have enjoyed the
people that I've met.</i>

1176
01:07:03,323 --> 01:07:06,413
<i>Uh, I have a lot of special
affection for John and Brad.</i>

1177
01:07:06,457 --> 01:07:08,067
<i>I mean, I really do, I feel
like they're family.</i>

1178
01:07:08,111 --> 01:07:10,548
<i>And even though we have
our lives separate, from here</i>

1179
01:07:10,591 --> 01:07:13,333
<i>we-- we are
definitely connected here.</i>

1180
01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:19,948
[Brad] <i>It's been quite a ride
from the first day I was here</i>

1181
01:07:19,992 --> 01:07:22,168
<i>to my current uh, relationship</i>

1182
01:07:22,212 --> 01:07:23,561
<i>and friendship
with Miss Alice.</i>

1183
01:07:24,649 --> 01:07:27,956
Alice will be in my life forever

1184
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,743
even-- uh, maybe when I pass
away, when I cross over,

1185
01:07:31,786 --> 01:07:34,311
if she crosses over
before me, we will hang out.

1186
01:07:34,876 --> 01:07:36,878
If uh-- if I cross over,

1187
01:07:36,922 --> 01:07:40,708
well maybe I'll kick
the ball down the steps on her.

1188
01:07:42,101 --> 01:07:45,365
<i>Being involved in investigating paranormal activity</i>

1189
01:07:45,409 --> 01:07:48,760
<i>has become
a mid-life second wind for me.</i>

1190
01:07:48,803 --> 01:07:51,589
<i>It's something that I've found
that I really enjoy doing.</i>

1191
01:07:51,632 --> 01:07:53,765
<i>And couple that
with helping a friend,</i>

1192
01:07:53,808 --> 01:07:57,247
<i>Miss Alice, really has
been beneficial for my life.</i>

1193
01:07:57,290 --> 01:07:58,813
<i>It's just-- it's added a--</i>

1194
01:07:58,857 --> 01:08:01,381
<i>a fresh chapter
in my mid-life years.</i>

1195
01:08:01,425 --> 01:08:04,167
<i>It's made me wanna get up</i>

1196
01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:07,344
and hit-- hit the ground
running more in my life.

1197
01:08:07,387 --> 01:08:09,215
So, it's a very, very important
part of my life now.

1198
01:08:10,477 --> 01:08:11,826
[John] <i>We're a great team.</i>

1199
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:14,699
<i>We make time for each other
and I think that</i>

1200
01:08:15,352 --> 01:08:18,616
<i>we are locked in to figuring out what's going on in the house.</i>

1201
01:08:20,052 --> 01:08:22,141
I would like to see Alice in a
happy place

1202
01:08:22,185 --> 01:08:24,317
<i>where she's satisfied
with the work that we've done.</i>

1203
01:08:24,361 --> 01:08:26,798
And I think she's gotten
some answers.

1204
01:08:26,841 --> 01:08:29,714
I think there's key answers
that she still has not had.

1205
01:08:30,497 --> 01:08:32,717
<i>And end game for the
Mississippi house.</i>

1206
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,719
<i>In my opinion, I don't know if
there is one,</i>

1207
01:08:34,762 --> 01:08:37,156
and I think that this is a house
where we're learning,

1208
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,636
we're teaching.

1209
01:08:38,679 --> 01:08:40,768
And I think it's something that
we can continue to do

1210
01:08:40,812 --> 01:08:41,856
for years to come.

1211
01:10:07,377 --> 01:10:10,597
[dramatic music]

1212
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,395
- [Brad] I put it on
there this morning.
- [John] Yeah.

1213
01:10:25,438 --> 01:10:26,874
[John] What do you mean
you put it on this morning?

1214
01:10:26,918 --> 01:10:28,789
- [Brad] I aimed my camera.
- [Steve] You did?

1215
01:10:28,833 --> 01:10:31,531
- [John] Hey! Check this!
- [Brad] No, I aimed the camera

1216
01:10:31,575 --> 01:10:33,054
[John]
Check it, how do you check it?

1217
01:10:33,098 --> 01:10:35,231
- [Steve] I don't know.
- [John] I got chills right now.

1218
01:10:36,014 --> 01:10:38,190
Dude, that just did that.

1219
01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:39,670
I don't-- wasn't near
it, nobody was there.

1220
01:10:39,713 --> 01:10:41,106
I saw that.

1221
01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:42,890
- [Steve] So, if we got that...
- [John] Dude, here.

1222
01:10:42,934 --> 01:10:45,023
- [Brad] We got that.
- [John] Holy!

1223
01:10:45,589 --> 01:10:47,417
[Steve] Do you know
how to check it on there?

1224
01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:49,245
How to bring it up on there?

1225
01:10:49,288 --> 01:10:51,072
[Brad] Yeah, it's gonna be
quick right here.

1226
01:10:51,116 --> 01:10:52,683
[Steve] That's okay.
It-- it'll be...

1227
01:10:52,726 --> 01:10:55,294
[John] Dude, come on, you gotta
be kidding me right now.

1228
01:10:55,338 --> 01:10:56,426
[Brad] Don't believe it.

1229
01:10:56,469 --> 01:10:58,471
Yeah, here we go, here's
my last shot.

1230
01:10:58,515 --> 01:11:00,256
It was rolling.

1231
01:11:00,299 --> 01:11:01,692
- [John] Yeah, we got it?
- [Brad] Yeah, it's not
there anymore.

1232
01:11:03,041 --> 01:11:05,609
All right, so I was inside

1233
01:11:05,652 --> 01:11:08,742
and I was running
around, I'm trying
to get this gear sent out,

1234
01:11:08,786 --> 01:11:11,832
because we have
gear shipping out today.

1235
01:11:11,876 --> 01:11:13,530
Got the camera,
I'm messing with that

1236
01:11:13,573 --> 01:11:15,575
and I'm just going inside
of the house.

1237
01:11:15,619 --> 01:11:18,230
And nobody
was right here at all,

1238
01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:20,972
nobody was in the house,
it was just me.

1239
01:11:21,015 --> 01:11:24,323
Uh, and I'm walking by and all
of a sudden, I hear this ball

1240
01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:28,022
falling, falling down the
stairs and there it is.

1241
01:11:29,763 --> 01:11:31,939
We're checking if we have
it on camera right now.

1242
01:11:33,376 --> 01:11:36,814
There's the ball and it
came from up there.

1243
01:11:36,857 --> 01:11:38,337
I like it,

1244
01:11:38,381 --> 01:11:40,296
but the fact that there's
people in the house

1245
01:11:40,339 --> 01:11:41,949
moving around, all that stuff.

1246
01:11:41,993 --> 01:11:44,082
- [John] Okay, yeah.
- Just kinda makes me like...

1247
01:11:44,735 --> 01:11:46,432
[Kendall] I w-- I was the only
one in the house.

1248
01:11:46,476 --> 01:11:48,391
- [Steve] Yeah, it's true.
- [Kendall] You know
what I mean?

1249
01:11:48,434 --> 01:11:50,044
- [Kendall] And I
- [Brad] Yeah, you were outside.

1250
01:11:50,088 --> 01:11:51,524
[Kendall] I-- I promise, dude.

1251
01:11:51,568 --> 01:11:53,744
Like I-- this whole thing's
about honesty,

1252
01:11:53,787 --> 01:11:56,181
like I'm honest
with you guys.

1253
01:11:56,224 --> 01:11:58,488
I was walking with
the ball as it was

1254
01:11:58,531 --> 01:12:00,011
- [Brad] We just saw.
- [Kendall] I heard a noise

1255
01:12:00,054 --> 01:12:01,186
and I looked over
and it was like

1256
01:12:01,229 --> 01:12:03,188
dunk, dunk, dunk,
dunk, dunk.

1257
01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:07,148
[John] I mean we have like
f---.

1258
01:12:07,192 --> 01:12:09,673
I mean this is the clip, this is
the footage we've been waiting,

1259
01:12:09,716 --> 01:12:12,197
like this is evidence that
we've been waiting to get.

1260
01:12:14,112 --> 01:12:17,333
- [Steve] Who's that?
- [Brad] Oh, that must be Alice.

1261
01:12:19,987 --> 01:12:21,728
[Kendall] Uh-oh. Oh, dude!

1262
01:12:21,772 --> 01:12:23,904
- [Steve] Can you pull it back?
- [Brad] Oh yeah.

1263
01:12:25,819 --> 01:12:27,430
[Steve] What are-- like what
are your thoughts?

1264
01:12:27,473 --> 01:12:29,170
I'm really curious,
what do you think?

1265
01:12:29,214 --> 01:12:30,998
Well... I mean,
you guys see this
all-- look see that

1266
01:12:31,042 --> 01:12:33,087
[Brad] Okay, I'm gonna pause it,
I'm gonna frame this.

1267
01:12:34,306 --> 01:12:35,786
- [Brad] Hey guys!
- [John] Yeah?

1268
01:12:35,829 --> 01:12:37,440
- [Brad] There's nobody in here.
- [John] What?

1269
01:12:37,483 --> 01:12:39,267
- Get outta here!
- [Steve] So, we had
a door move?

1270
01:12:39,311 --> 01:12:40,356
I don't know.

1271
01:12:41,922 --> 01:12:43,750
But it-- it sounded like the
front door opened or closed.

1272
01:12:44,447 --> 01:12:46,144
- But...
- [John] No, I definitely
heard that.

1273
01:12:46,187 --> 01:12:47,145
I-- you thought it was Alice.

1274
01:12:49,103 --> 01:12:52,019
[Kendall] Dude, I got freaking
chills on my hand right now.

1275
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:55,675
- [Steve] Wait a
second, look, no
- [Kendall] Get outta here.

1276
01:12:55,719 --> 01:12:56,676
- [John] No, wait, wait, wait.
- [Kendall] What?

1277
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,330
[John] Let's hear that.
Okay.

1278
01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,376
I think the wind probably
blew it open.

1279
01:13:00,811 --> 01:13:01,899
[Kendall] Alright.

1280
01:13:01,942 --> 01:13:03,683
I mean that would
be my assessment.

1281
01:13:07,426 --> 01:13:09,167
- I think that's what it was.
- [Kendall] Okay.

1282
01:13:09,210 --> 01:13:10,734
- Honestly, I think
- [Kendall] Yep.

1283
01:13:10,777 --> 01:13:12,213
Everybody just for whatever
reason leaves this door like

1284
01:13:12,257 --> 01:13:13,301
this, it's never really

1285
01:13:13,345 --> 01:13:14,520
You know?

1286
01:13:14,564 --> 01:13:16,174
But that doesn't
explain the ball.

1287
01:13:18,568 --> 01:13:20,178
[Kendall] What do you think?

1288
01:13:20,221 --> 01:13:22,963
I mean it's happened in
this house many times.

1289
01:13:23,007 --> 01:13:24,878
Like eight or nine times.

1290
01:13:24,922 --> 01:13:26,880
So, I mean it's always exciting
when it happens.

1291
01:13:27,577 --> 01:13:29,405
It's always exciting
when it happens.

1292
01:13:33,191 --> 01:13:35,193
I mean that door sound
is interesting.

1293
01:13:35,236 --> 01:13:37,325
And you know the thing is, I
mean it could be wind, right?

1294
01:13:37,369 --> 01:13:39,110
[Steve] We-- well, yeah.

1295
01:13:39,153 --> 01:13:41,199
The doors open?

1296
01:13:43,636 --> 01:13:45,333
[Brad] So, it closes by itself.

1297
01:13:45,377 --> 01:13:47,205
- [Kendall] Wait a minute.
- Well, assuming it's that door.

1298
01:13:47,771 --> 01:13:49,860
Because I thought it was that
front door

1299
01:13:49,903 --> 01:13:52,645
swinging open and
hitting the closet door.

1300
01:13:54,081 --> 01:13:55,474
But the door's open right now.

1301
01:13:57,389 --> 01:14:00,131
So, it either wasn't that door,
it was a different door.

1302
01:14:01,524 --> 01:14:03,395
[Brad] Definitely sounded
like a door closing.

1303
01:14:17,278 --> 01:14:19,933
[Brad] <i>A few days went by
and I was wondering <i>
what that noise was.</i></i>

1304
01:14:22,022 --> 01:14:24,590
<i>Something that I wanted
to figure out.</i>

1305
01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:26,462
<i>And it was just bothering me, it was frustrating me for real.</i>

1306
01:14:27,506 --> 01:14:30,117
<i>It was a frustrating four
or five days, I think.</i>

1307
01:14:30,161 --> 01:14:31,902
<i>I was trying to figure
out what it was.</i>

1308
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,472
<i>The camera back there, it was
aiming that way behind me.</i>

1309
01:14:37,124 --> 01:14:38,735
<i>And I noticed some movement</i>

1310
01:14:38,778 --> 01:14:41,912
<i>in the reflection of the
chandelier.</i>

1311
01:14:42,739 --> 01:14:47,483
<i>It has a brass ball like un--
un-- un-- beneath it.</i>

1312
01:14:48,919 --> 01:14:50,790
<i>So, I started
looking closer at that</i>

1313
01:14:50,834 --> 01:14:53,097
<i>and I zoomed in and then bam!</i>

1314
01:15:21,168 --> 01:15:22,953
<i>My heart started racing.</i>

1315
01:15:24,432 --> 01:15:27,435
<i>What I saw you know,</i>

1316
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:32,005
<i>were two-- two different doors um, opening.</i>

1317
01:15:32,049 --> 01:15:33,877
<i>And then one of 'em
open and closed.</i>

1318
01:15:35,531 --> 01:15:38,055
<i>It was like something--
it was like something <i>
just came through.</i></i>

1319
01:15:39,186 --> 01:15:41,624
<i>It's one thing to capture
a door opening,</i>

1320
01:15:41,667 --> 01:15:43,626
<i>but it's really
a different level</i>

1321
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:46,063
<i>when you see a door open
and then close itself.</i>

1322
01:15:46,629 --> 01:15:49,066
<i>Like that I mean I haven't
seen that before.</i>

1323
01:15:50,371 --> 01:15:54,158
Now I can't tell you what--
what the heck did that.

1324
01:15:54,201 --> 01:15:58,292
But something moved
not only the chandelier

1325
01:15:58,336 --> 01:16:00,077
but opened and
closed doors.

1326
01:16:03,123 --> 01:16:04,690
[Jill] It's very interesting.

1327
01:16:05,648 --> 01:16:07,345
That's important to me.

1328
01:16:14,308 --> 01:16:15,527
[Brad] <i>Theoretically,</i>

1329
01:16:16,006 --> 01:16:17,834
<i>a gust of wind
could open it maybe,</i>

1330
01:16:17,877 --> 01:16:20,010
<i>but open
and close it, two of 'em?</i>

1331
01:16:21,011 --> 01:16:22,621
<i>In theory, I guess
it's possible.</i>

1332
01:16:25,668 --> 01:16:31,064
<i>Don't forget you know, minutes, minutes before that</i>

1333
01:16:31,848 --> 01:16:33,676
a baseball

1334
01:16:34,981 --> 01:16:36,766
was flipped down the steps.

1335
01:16:38,028 --> 01:16:39,725
<i>And the doors were closed.</i>

1336
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:43,120
<i>Not to mention there was
hardly any breeze at all.</i>

1337
01:16:43,163 --> 01:16:45,296
<i>This is a Mississippi
hot summer day.</i>

1338
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:49,474
So-- so when you
bundle all that up

1339
01:16:50,388 --> 01:16:51,563
and you look at that,

1340
01:16:51,607 --> 01:16:54,522
that is some dramatic activity

1341
01:16:56,481 --> 01:17:00,137
all within minutes.

1342
01:17:02,487 --> 01:17:05,098
You see now we got lights like
coming--

1343
01:17:05,142 --> 01:17:06,622
yeah, those lights are
freaking out.

1344
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,892
<i>I don't have all the answers, I just don't think it was normal.</i>

1345
01:17:16,806 --> 01:17:18,634
You know, was it a ghost?

1346
01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:20,026
Yeah, it could be.

1347
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:23,160
It wasn't a human
in physical form.

1348
01:17:38,697 --> 01:17:41,178
<i>This is-- and this is
gonna continue on.</i>

1349
01:17:41,221 --> 01:17:43,833
<i>It's-- it's not to the point
where she'll just be,</i>

1350
01:17:43,876 --> 01:17:45,443
<i>"Okay,
it's over with."</i>

1351
01:17:45,486 --> 01:17:47,140
<i>Until we can figure out what's
going on,</i>

1352
01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:48,707
<i>Miss Alice is going to
wanna</i>

1353
01:17:48,751 --> 01:17:51,405
<i>pursue and keep trying to
find the answers.</i>

1354
01:17:51,449 --> 01:17:52,624
<i>What created those lights?</i>

1355
01:17:52,668 --> 01:17:54,321
<i>And I'll be right by her side.</i>

1356
01:17:54,365 --> 01:17:56,497
<i>We're-- we're gonna do this
together and figure this out.</i>

1357
01:17:58,804 --> 01:18:00,588
Bless Alice, Lord.

1358
01:18:00,632 --> 01:18:02,721
And be with her always.

1359
01:18:02,765 --> 01:18:05,071
[Walt] <i>I think the attraction
to all of it is,</i>

1360
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,685
<i>there's always been the
question, what's after death?</i>

1361
01:18:10,207 --> 01:18:13,123
<i>And anybody who hasn't thought
about, that is a liar.</i>

1362
01:18:16,866 --> 01:18:19,912
<i>I think if you find proof of
ghost,</i>

1363
01:18:19,956 --> 01:18:22,393
then you found your
proof of life after death.

1364
01:18:22,915 --> 01:18:25,222
And you don't have to
just take it on faith.

1365
01:18:25,265 --> 01:18:28,573
And we being human beings,
we'd like to have proof of it.

1366
01:18:29,095 --> 01:18:31,315
<i>Uh, I really think that's
the attraction of it.</i>

1367
01:18:31,358 --> 01:18:34,797
<i>I-- I think that that will
always be the attraction of <i>
ghost stories.</i></i>

1368
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,237
<i>I think this is one of those
mysterious areas of life</i>

1369
01:18:41,499 --> 01:18:43,501
<i>that this is gonna have to be something that people deal with</i>

1370
01:18:43,544 --> 01:18:46,199
<i>in their own hearts, their
own minds.</i>

1371
01:18:46,243 --> 01:18:47,679
<i>And come to their
own conclusions.</i>

1372
01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:49,550
<i>And just be true to themselves.</i>

1373
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:17,535
When I was growing up,
my grandmother

1374
01:19:17,578 --> 01:19:21,800
told us one time that uh,
they had a ghost in their house.

1375
01:19:21,844 --> 01:19:25,543
Every night that ghost would
come there and go up the steps.

1376
01:19:25,586 --> 01:19:27,763
So finally, they decided they
would go

1377
01:19:27,806 --> 01:19:30,809
and they would find
out what the ghost was.

1378
01:19:30,853 --> 01:19:32,811
So, they went out that night

1379
01:19:32,855 --> 01:19:34,900
and about
the middle of the night,

1380
01:19:34,944 --> 01:19:39,339
here come several goats
going up and down the steps,

1381
01:19:39,383 --> 01:19:41,298
up and down the steps.

1382
01:19:42,603 --> 01:19:46,782
So, their ghost was
a goat ghost. Debunk.

1383
01:19:48,435 --> 01:19:51,438
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