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-Casey Anthony
held her head high

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after being arrested yesterday,

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charged with child neglect
and lying to the authorities.

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-We all believed that we
arrested the right person.

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-What?!

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-She has completely
removed herself

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from any normal emotion of
a mother missing a child.

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And that is the most
disturbing part for me.

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-There was a lot of
anger at Casey Anthony.

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How could she not call
the police for 30 days?

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-Soft sticks.

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-Why talk to me now?

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-I just need someone to
be willing to listen.

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Growing up... telling the truth

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to anyone in the outside
world didn't happen.

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When I was 8 years old,

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my father started to come
into my room at night.

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I can't tell Mommy.

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She'll get mad at me.
That's what I was told.

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Protecting the
family at all costs.

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That was the only goal.

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I admitted that I lied.

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But no one asked why.

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-Why were you lying to the cops?

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-I was doing what I was told.

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- By?
- My father.

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-Despite intense searches,

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there's been no sign
of Caylee since June.

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Officials have said they
believe the girl is dead,

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although, the child's
body hasn't been found.

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Her mother faces charges,
including first-degree murder

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and lying to investigators.

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-The young woman
remains behind bars.

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Casey Anthony's attorney says

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the mother believes
Caylee is still alive.

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-The whole United States

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is looking for our Caylee.

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Are we going to be able
to find her, do you think?

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-I hope we can, Mom.

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I believed
that she was still okay.

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So, I know you want to ask me
about the last day she was here,

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the last day that I saw her,
the day she disappeared.

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I know that's what
it's all leading up to.

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I can
tell you about what

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I remember from the morning.

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It's not much.

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The night before
was a normal night.

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Got Caylee to bed.

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Woke up the next morning,
got her breakfast.

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I wasn't feeling that great
and I wanted to lay down.

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Put on the TV. The
door was closed.

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And I had her lay
in bed with me.

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I've been a light
sleeper my entire life.

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Because I'm used to someone

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opening the door
while I'm asleep.

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I'm used to being on alert,

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especially with my
child next to me.

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It's part of the reason she
slept in bed with me so much,

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in my bed, with pillows
stuffed against the wall,

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with the bed up against
it so she couldn't fall,

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so the bed couldn't move.

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-Were the doors unlocked
to your bedroom?

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-I thought that I had
locked it, but maybe not.

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It's possible that
the door was unlocked.

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I know my dad was at home.

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But I fell asleep.

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And was asleep for a while.

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And I was awoken by
him shaking me...

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and asking me where Caylee
was, which didn't make sense

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because I look next to me
and that's where she was.

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TV was still on.

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She would never even leave
my room without telling me,

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even if she had to
go to the bathroom.

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She'd never just leave me there.

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She knew she wasn't allowed

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to just be in the
house by herself.

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And I immediately start
looking around the house...

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Her room, what used to
be my brother's room,

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in the bathroom, my
parents' room, the garage.

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I go outside and I'm looking
to see where she could be.

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She's not in her playhouse.

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Where is she? Why
is she not here?

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Didn't make sense. Still
doesn't make sense.

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She'd never done that
before. Why that day?

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-Did you look inside the pool?

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-Didn't have to.

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By the time I came back around

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from the left side of the house,

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I came back around
towards the front porch,

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he's standing there with her.

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She's soaking wet.

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I can see him standing
there with her in his arms.

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And hand her to me.

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And telling me
that it's my fault,

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that I did that.

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That I caused that.

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And I just collapsed
with her in my arms.

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-What did she feel like?

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-She was heavy.

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She was cold.

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As I'm sitting there
with her on my lap,

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I was hysterical.

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Just staring at her,
not knowing what to do.

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He takes her from me and he
immediately softens his tone

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and tells me it's
going to be okay.

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That she was going to be okay.

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That's what he said to me.

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I wanted
to believe him.

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Because I wanted her to be okay.

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And I don't know how
long I sat outside.

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I don't know where he went.

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He took her from me
and he walked away.

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I know he went back in
through the screen doors

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and he went back into the house.

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But I don't know where she went
and I don't know what he did.

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I just want her back.

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It's all I've wanted
this entire time.

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I can tell you about
how numb I felt

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and how broken I
felt, and confused,

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but also hopeful

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because I believed that
she was still okay.

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And I know people are
going to question,

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well, why didn't I
make a phone call,

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why didn't I call 911,

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why did I even wait to
tell my mom anything?

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But I didn't tell her anything.

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Why lie?

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Why not do a hundred things,
a hundred different ways?

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I have to live with that,

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knowing that I failed
to protect my child.

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And that I kept failing
her, even after that.

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I failed her again
and again and again

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because I still protected
the person who hurt me.

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It was like I was brainwashed.

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And it wasn't until much later

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that I started to
really realize why.

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This is a living
embodiment of hell for me.

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Yeah, this is not entirely
one of those places I'd like

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to go back and try to walk
back through memory lane.

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-How long were you in
the Orange County Jail?

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-Three years.

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I was indicted on
October 14th of 2008

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and I was released
after the verdict,

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a few days after the
verdict, in July of 2011.

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-What did you hear in the cell?

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-Screaming, yelling.

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It's never quiet.

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The doors are metal and
they clink and they're loud.

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-What do you smell?

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-Feces.

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Other people's body odor

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because it's a
recycled air system.

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Pepper spray, if they had

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to pepper spray someone
inside of the unit

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or sometimes even from
the neighboring unit.

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I was waiting in jail,

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being accused of a crime
that it didn't commit.

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I'm
remembering feeling alone

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and helpless

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and having literally
no one in my corner.

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During that period of time,
I needed someone to talk to.

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-Both of these boxes are
from when I was in jail.

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I've never...

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I've never gone through them.

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So, let's have a look-see.

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My name is Robyn McDonnell.

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I was indicted under
the name Robyn Adams.

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I came to meet Casey Anthony
in the Orange County Jail

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after I was arrested
for conspiracy

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to drug trafficking marijuana.

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When I was transported
to Orange County Jail,

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I went into solitary
confinement.

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You're locked down
for 23 hours a day.

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It's a box. It's a shoe
box. It's Tupperware.

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The lid only comes off
when they take it off.

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Casey was put into solitary
confinement as well.

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I kept seeing this young girl,

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short black hair,
just really petite

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and, um...

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One time, I just waved to her.

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Just a little wave.

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Looks like these
are pictures. Wow.

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These are all letters.

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I saved everyone's letters.

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One day, Casey
used sign language

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to tell me that she wrote
to me and put it in a book

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and we started writing
back and forth.

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We started to get to know
each other through letters.

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It's her handwriting.

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It says, "Cookie."

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She called me Cookie.

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"I'm an emotional wreck.

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I've gotten good at hiding
how I feel with most people,

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but I can't with you.

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We have so very much in common,

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both the good and the bad.

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I know how it feels to be
physically, emotionally,

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and mentally abused,

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and I also know how it feels
to be sexually abused."

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-I think that I
wrote to Robyn Adams

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and told her what
had happened to me

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because I was
really just starting

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to come to grips with
what had happened.

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-"My own brother walking
into my room at night

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and feeling my breasts
while I slept."

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-I don't really remember Robyn's
response to anything, but...

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it felt like there was actually
someone who understood.

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-"Over the past few months,

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I've been really
having vivid dreams

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and it's obvious
that they are dreams

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of things that have
already happened.

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I think my dad used to
do the same thing to me,

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but when I was much younger.

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I can see him in my room,
exactly the way it was

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when I was in elementary school.

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And everything gets fuzzy.

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But I wake up feeling both
sore and sick to my stomach,

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the way I used to
feel growing up."

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-Long before I had
ever been arrested,

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I had memories of the abuse...

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but it wasn't until I was
isolated from my family in jail

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that I started to remember
more of the details.

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I started to have very
clear images and flashbacks,

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nightmares and seizures,

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all because of things
that I was reliving

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from what happened
with my father.

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Even with trying to
suppress those feelings

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and those memories,

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I was remembering
very specific details.

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It wouldn't take much
for me to close my eyes

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and to hear the sound
of my door opening

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in the middle of the night.

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I'm just a kid laying in my bed

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and it was a white daybed
with white eyelet bedding.

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Everything was white.

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And I could smell
my father's cologne

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before I even opened my eyes.

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That cologne. Halston Z-14.

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And I could feel him as he

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kind of slid me
over in my daybed.

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And slid himself
underneath the covers.

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I'm still laying there,
acting like I'm asleep.

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And he starts to touch me.

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Slowly move my hair
off of my neck.

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Run his hands down my back...

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underneath my shirt.

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I remember the first time he
put his hands down my pants.

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Slid from the back, first, and
then went around the front.

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I was being told that I
was safe, that I was okay.

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So hard when you're
being told, you know,

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"This is that special time.

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You're Daddy's
special little girl."

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And talking to you so gently

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and starting off being
so kind and so nice.

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00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:56,136
God forbid I fought back.

256
00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:58,102
A few times I do remember
trying to fight back.

257
00:16:58,143 --> 00:16:59,893
I was never able to
push him off of me.

258
00:16:59,936 --> 00:17:01,396
Pillow goes over my face.

259
00:17:02,981 --> 00:17:05,111
-What do you mean by
"pillow goes over my face"?

260
00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:07,150
-He smothered me several times.

261
00:17:07,193 --> 00:17:10,323
-Smothered you so
you would pass out?

262
00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:12,203
-Several times.

263
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,620
If I asked for it not to happen.

264
00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:17,870
"Not tonight,
please. Not tonight.

265
00:17:17,912 --> 00:17:19,412
I just want to go to sleep."

266
00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:24,498
Wake up the next morning,
or even hours later,

267
00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:28,674
knowing that it
had happened again.

268
00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:33,887
I was forced to
grow up so quickly.

269
00:17:33,928 --> 00:17:36,008
I was no longer allowed
to be a little girl.

270
00:17:36,806 --> 00:17:38,596
Could be a little
girl sometimes.

271
00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:43,154
But at night, I had to be
Daddy's special little girl.

272
00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:51,453
-So, at that time,
you're talking

273
00:17:51,488 --> 00:17:53,368
to Robyn Adams in the jail?

274
00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:55,986
- Yes.
- Had you told your defense team

275
00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:57,834
about the abuse?
- No.

276
00:18:00,163 --> 00:18:02,333
It was still really hard
to talk about the abuse.

277
00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:07,836
There was so much anger and
grief and sadness and shame.

278
00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:12,222
So, I hadn't talked to
my team about it yet.

279
00:18:12,258 --> 00:18:14,588
I hadn't said anything to them.

280
00:18:17,097 --> 00:18:22,057
-The media was portraying
Casey as this young mother

281
00:18:22,102 --> 00:18:26,482
who was out partying for 30 days
while her daughter was missing.

282
00:18:26,523 --> 00:18:28,483
How could that possibly happen?

283
00:18:29,818 --> 00:18:32,608
-Not once has she showed
any remorse for her child.

284
00:18:32,654 --> 00:18:35,664
-To go to the nightclubs
and dirty dance

285
00:18:35,699 --> 00:18:38,989
with anybody and everybody
and then just lies,

286
00:18:39,035 --> 00:18:40,245
just mind-boggling.

287
00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:43,826
-It is the burden of
Jose Baez on the defense

288
00:18:43,873 --> 00:18:47,543
to come up with some logical,
reasonable explanation,

289
00:18:47,585 --> 00:18:49,665
you know, for her
bizarre behavior.

290
00:18:49,713 --> 00:18:51,723
Why did she wait 31 days?

291
00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:55,684
-Part of my role was
putting together the puzzle

292
00:18:55,719 --> 00:18:58,719
to bring understanding
to Casey's life.

293
00:19:02,976 --> 00:19:07,146
I started working with
Casey in July of 2009.

294
00:19:08,732 --> 00:19:12,652
At minimum, we would spend
two hours together each visit

295
00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:16,414
and we are, and were,
unpacking a lot.

296
00:19:17,115 --> 00:19:18,825
-During the time
that I was in jail,

297
00:19:18,867 --> 00:19:21,697
I remember talking to Jeanene
about a lot of things.

298
00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:28,589
It was a very slow process
because my guard had been up.

299
00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:33,088
But Jeanene was so disarming.

300
00:19:33,131 --> 00:19:37,801
She allowed me to see her
and it made it easier for me

301
00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:42,564
to at least start to
open up a little bit more

302
00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:44,099
and let my guard
down a little bit.

303
00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,606
-In one of the interviews,

304
00:19:48,646 --> 00:19:52,526
Casey shared with me that
her dad had abused her.

305
00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:57,324
Everything made sense.

306
00:19:57,364 --> 00:19:59,284
I mean,

307
00:19:59,324 --> 00:20:04,164
I'm a survivor of childhood
sexual abuse as well, so.

308
00:20:05,497 --> 00:20:08,457
In that moment,
I understood her.

309
00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:13,421
When you've been a
victim of sexual abuse,

310
00:20:13,463 --> 00:20:17,093
you pretend that
nothing is wrong.

311
00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:21,971
It's the separation of the
mind from the actions, right?

312
00:20:22,847 --> 00:20:25,057
That's how Casey can show up,

313
00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:27,850
as if she had no
troubles in the world,

314
00:20:27,894 --> 00:20:33,324
during the 31 days where
she's lost her baby, Caylee.

315
00:20:39,989 --> 00:20:41,319
Finding evidence,

316
00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:45,076
which is part of my job,
as a mitigation specialist,

317
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,370
any evidence of abuse
is very difficult,

318
00:20:48,415 --> 00:20:50,245
especially with the
passing of time.

319
00:20:51,292 --> 00:20:56,972
But Casey did tell people
about being abused,

320
00:20:57,007 --> 00:20:58,717
even before any
of this happened.

321
00:20:58,758 --> 00:21:00,138
-Good afternoon, Mr. Grund.

322
00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:01,466
-Good afternoon.

323
00:21:01,511 --> 00:21:03,471
-Jesse was her fiancé.

324
00:21:03,513 --> 00:21:06,313
She trusted Jesse and so

325
00:21:06,349 --> 00:21:08,809
she did disclose to him

326
00:21:08,852 --> 00:21:11,352
about being abused
by her brother.

327
00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:13,476
It's something that was shared,

328
00:21:13,523 --> 00:21:17,653
even before Caylee
passed in 2008.

329
00:21:18,862 --> 00:21:21,952
-She told me, at one
point in recent years,

330
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:23,620
that she woke up one night

331
00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:25,368
with Lee standing
over her in bed,

332
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:26,660
staring at her sleeping.

333
00:21:26,703 --> 00:21:29,003
And, in another instance,

334
00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,249
was groping her in the
middle of the night.

335
00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:36,000
-Casey telling Jesse about
being abused by her brother,

336
00:21:36,046 --> 00:21:39,256
it doesn't mean that she
wasn't abused by her father.

337
00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:42,549
It wouldn't be surprising that
she would test the waters.

338
00:21:42,594 --> 00:21:44,014
It's, for whatever reason,

339
00:21:44,054 --> 00:21:46,894
a little bit easier to
say, "Oh, my brother."

340
00:21:46,931 --> 00:21:49,811
I think the abuse by her
father was a much bigger deal.

341
00:21:51,394 --> 00:21:54,024
-It was always easier to talk
about the abuse with my brother.

342
00:21:54,064 --> 00:21:55,694
Because I had
already forgiven him

343
00:21:55,732 --> 00:21:57,982
and moved past so much of it,

344
00:21:58,026 --> 00:22:00,066
it made it easier
for me to talk about.

345
00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:07,160
Years later, I had told my mom,

346
00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:09,055
while we're sitting on
the floor in Caylee's room

347
00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:10,869
and Caylee is just an infant.

348
00:22:11,998 --> 00:22:15,588
And I finally gained
the courage to tell her.

349
00:22:16,628 --> 00:22:18,548
-About your brother?
What did she say?

350
00:22:18,588 --> 00:22:20,128
-She called me a whore.

351
00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:22,593
Her exact words were, "So
that's why you're a whore."

352
00:22:23,593 --> 00:22:25,013
-You feel angry about that?

353
00:22:25,053 --> 00:22:27,973
-I feel hurt. Disgusted.

354
00:22:29,432 --> 00:22:31,272
And, yeah, ashamed.

355
00:22:31,309 --> 00:22:32,849
Still.

356
00:22:33,728 --> 00:22:35,358
How was I going to
tell her about...

357
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:38,198
the things that were
a thousand times worse

358
00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:39,613
that my father did?

359
00:22:39,651 --> 00:22:43,611
I had never told anyone
about my father touching me.

360
00:22:45,615 --> 00:22:48,115
Of course I couldn't tell her.

361
00:22:49,452 --> 00:22:52,582
I didn't want anyone to
know that I had been abused,

362
00:22:52,622 --> 00:22:54,252
but I had no choice.

363
00:22:54,749 --> 00:22:56,289
-We have been digging all day

364
00:22:56,334 --> 00:23:01,094
and News 13 continues to
uncover new, explosive details

365
00:23:01,131 --> 00:23:03,841
in the hundreds of letters
written between Casey Anthony

366
00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:06,143
and another inmate at
the Orange County Jail.

367
00:23:08,221 --> 00:23:09,641
-In Florida law,

368
00:23:09,681 --> 00:23:12,931
any bit of evidence that had
been collected in the case

369
00:23:12,976 --> 00:23:15,186
was released to the public.

370
00:23:15,228 --> 00:23:18,358
One of the times there
was a document dump.

371
00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:19,728
-From a letter right here.

372
00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,824
-They were letters
that Casey had written

373
00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:24,450
to another inmate in jail.

374
00:23:24,487 --> 00:23:26,197
And it was news for days.

375
00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:30,369
-She says her brother, Lee,
began sexually abusing her

376
00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:31,950
when she was 12 years old.

377
00:23:31,995 --> 00:23:34,455
She also writes
she thinks her dad

378
00:23:34,497 --> 00:23:36,827
also "used to do
the same thing."

379
00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:41,132
-The trauma that
she experienced,

380
00:23:41,171 --> 00:23:43,051
I feel like it was
sort of glossed over.

381
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:46,969
We didn't look at trauma
the way we do now,

382
00:23:47,010 --> 00:23:48,850
so, it felt like it was a lie.

383
00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:50,597
-Where's Caylee?!

384
00:23:51,848 --> 00:23:53,428
-Yeah, where's Caylee at?!

385
00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:54,845
-Like my sign?

386
00:23:54,893 --> 00:23:57,483
-Everything was against her.

387
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,150
The world was against her.

388
00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:01,269
The way she was being
portrayed in the media.

389
00:24:02,692 --> 00:24:04,692
-At that point, Casey had not

390
00:24:04,736 --> 00:24:06,696
told anyone working on the team

391
00:24:06,738 --> 00:24:09,868
about the abuse, except for me.

392
00:24:09,908 --> 00:24:12,368
She had not told Jose.

393
00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:14,410
And so I said to Casey,

394
00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:17,254
"Be open and transparent,
Casey," right?

395
00:24:18,249 --> 00:24:21,799
I helped the team
identify psychologists

396
00:24:21,836 --> 00:24:26,216
who speak to grief, who
would speak to PTSD.

397
00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:31,813
-Of all the doctors,

398
00:24:31,846 --> 00:24:34,766
Harry was the the easiest
to talk to, Dr. Krop.

399
00:24:34,808 --> 00:24:37,438
He was the most
disarming, I think.

400
00:24:37,477 --> 00:24:39,017
He the easiest delivery.

401
00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:41,272
There was no
pressure of anything.

402
00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:42,984
-I'm Harry Krop.

403
00:24:43,024 --> 00:24:45,944
I saw Casey four times

404
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:49,065
at the request of the
attorneys on the case.

405
00:24:49,739 --> 00:24:51,659
Initially, I evaluated her

406
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:55,080
to assess her
psychological status.

407
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,370
Because of her
pattern of deception,

408
00:24:59,416 --> 00:25:02,876
I had to ask myself,
in this case,

409
00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:05,009
whether she was
telling me the truth.

410
00:25:05,046 --> 00:25:06,876
The media portrayed her

411
00:25:06,923 --> 00:25:10,343
as a psychopath, a
psychopathic liar.

412
00:25:10,385 --> 00:25:13,555
-I could see, with my
experience, into her mind

413
00:25:13,596 --> 00:25:17,346
and I found her to be very
narcissistic and a sociopath.

414
00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:20,272
-You said that you think
she's a psychopath, right?

415
00:25:20,311 --> 00:25:22,731
-Absolutely.

416
00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:28,242
-The second appointment I had
with Casey, I gave her the MMPI,

417
00:25:28,278 --> 00:25:30,948
which is a commonly
used psychological test.

418
00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:35,076
There's actually scales for
psychopathy on the MMPI.

419
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,079
There was no diagnosable
psychiatric disorder

420
00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:43,593
or any diagnosable
personality disorder,

421
00:25:43,626 --> 00:25:47,046
including being a psychopath,

422
00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:49,088
which I think the
other psychologists

423
00:25:49,132 --> 00:25:51,892
and mental health
professionals who evaluated her

424
00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:53,966
certainly also discovered.

425
00:25:58,266 --> 00:26:01,016
-There was no sign of psychosis.

426
00:26:01,061 --> 00:26:02,330
I mean, we could
go down the list.

427
00:26:02,354 --> 00:26:04,984
There just wasn't
any sign of anything.

428
00:26:05,023 --> 00:26:06,613
-Not a sociopath?

429
00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:08,899
-Not remotely.

430
00:26:08,943 --> 00:26:10,743
-I'm joined by Harry Krop.

431
00:26:10,779 --> 00:26:13,069
He is a forensic psychologist.

432
00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:14,954
Does she have what we call

433
00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,661
borderline traits or
sociopathic traits?

434
00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:19,952
-No, she doesn't have
those traits, either.

435
00:26:19,996 --> 00:26:21,616
-That's impossible!
I can't believe that!

436
00:26:21,664 --> 00:26:23,017
Wait a minute, Doctor.
I can't believe it.

437
00:26:23,041 --> 00:26:24,581
She's created a vortex.

438
00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:25,836
She's a chronic liar.

439
00:26:25,877 --> 00:26:27,146
She's engaging in
criminal behavior.

440
00:26:27,170 --> 00:26:28,630
How is that possible?

441
00:26:28,672 --> 00:26:31,802
-We had a little bit of a
combative back-and-forth

442
00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:33,471
when I was on that show.

443
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:37,350
But bottom line, she didn't
have those type of disorders.

444
00:26:38,682 --> 00:26:43,142
She indicated that her
father sexually abused her

445
00:26:43,186 --> 00:26:45,186
extensively as a child.

446
00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:51,025
And I did believe that
Casey was sexually abused,

447
00:26:51,069 --> 00:26:53,949
which is what the other
psychologists heard.

448
00:26:59,369 --> 00:27:03,159
The testing shows
these intrusive images

449
00:27:03,206 --> 00:27:05,246
that she has under stress

450
00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:07,791
or when she talks
about the sexual abuse.

451
00:27:07,836 --> 00:27:09,246
She was fairly detailed.

452
00:27:15,927 --> 00:27:18,677
-And what about this allegation
that George molested Casey?

453
00:27:18,722 --> 00:27:19,852
What did you think of that?

454
00:27:19,889 --> 00:27:22,349
-I don't think that's true.

455
00:27:22,392 --> 00:27:24,562
I think there have been a
lot of things, you know, said

456
00:27:24,602 --> 00:27:27,362
that were just made up
for whatever reason.

457
00:27:28,148 --> 00:27:30,778
We never found any
evidence of that.

458
00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:32,044
There was never anything
to suggest that,

459
00:27:32,068 --> 00:27:34,488
other than these
letters from Casey.

460
00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:36,409
Would
you believe her,

461
00:27:36,448 --> 00:27:38,658
I mean, given the
story that she's told?

462
00:27:42,746 --> 00:27:45,326
-Thirty-one days, no Caylee.

463
00:27:45,373 --> 00:27:48,633
No report to law enforcement
that, "My daughter's missing."

464
00:27:48,668 --> 00:27:50,168
Like what the hell?

465
00:27:50,211 --> 00:27:51,461
I was like, "Where was Casey?

466
00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,304
Where was the mother
of this child?"

467
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,429
-What are you looking at there?

468
00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:00,470
-I guess to some, this would be

469
00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:03,143
a photograph of a
grieving mother trying

470
00:28:03,183 --> 00:28:04,643
to find her missing daughter.

471
00:28:16,363 --> 00:28:18,623
-Tell me about your behavior...

472
00:28:18,656 --> 00:28:21,156
Leaving the house
and then the 31 days.

473
00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:25,540
The media and the
public have used this,

474
00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:28,670
again and again, as a
hammer to hammer you with.

475
00:28:28,708 --> 00:28:30,248
-Yeah.

476
00:28:45,517 --> 00:28:49,647
This is the building where
Tony Lazzaro, Clint House,

477
00:28:49,688 --> 00:28:53,068
and his other
roommates used to live.

478
00:28:53,108 --> 00:28:55,858
Tony and I had been seeing
each other a couple of months.

479
00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:58,202
The day my father
took Caylee away,

480
00:28:58,238 --> 00:29:02,908
this is where I came after I
left my house that afternoon.

481
00:29:02,951 --> 00:29:07,001
I think I stayed here about
three weeks out of the 31 days.

482
00:29:11,084 --> 00:29:12,754
I just tried to...

483
00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,548
be as normal as I
could around him

484
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:19,090
and even around his roommates.

485
00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:25,678
That was part of the main
instruction from my dad

486
00:29:25,724 --> 00:29:28,774
was just to be as
normal as possible.

487
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:32,520
-Nothing was out of the
ordinary during the 31 days.

488
00:29:32,564 --> 00:29:35,574
She just seemed like
her totally normal self.

489
00:29:39,863 --> 00:29:42,913
-I couldn't show that
there was anything going on

490
00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:44,829
to anyone else.

491
00:29:44,868 --> 00:29:46,828
All of the photos that
people see of me out

492
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:48,830
during those 31 days,
I wasn't out partying.

493
00:29:48,872 --> 00:29:51,372
You don't see drinks in my hand.

494
00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:53,336
I was there actually working.

495
00:29:53,376 --> 00:29:56,796
I was there helping
Tony promote.

496
00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:59,338
-But you weren't going
through the cycles of grief.

497
00:29:59,382 --> 00:30:01,842
-No. During the 31 days,

498
00:30:01,885 --> 00:30:04,675
I genuinely believed that
Caylee was still alive.

499
00:30:04,721 --> 00:30:06,931
My father kept telling
me she was okay.

500
00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:11,976
I just had to keep
following his instructions.

501
00:30:14,397 --> 00:30:17,067
There were no threats.

502
00:30:17,108 --> 00:30:19,568
I just knew that I had to
do what he wanted me to do,

503
00:30:19,611 --> 00:30:21,611
in the same reason that I
knew that since the time

504
00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:24,204
I was 8 years old.

505
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240
Just do what he wants.

506
00:30:26,284 --> 00:30:28,044
It worked before. Do it now.

507
00:30:28,078 --> 00:30:30,368
-So when you shut down,
you became robotic.

508
00:30:30,413 --> 00:30:33,043
-I did what I needed
to do to survive.

509
00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:34,644
People also don't know
when you're crying

510
00:30:34,668 --> 00:30:37,418
in a bathroom alone,

511
00:30:37,462 --> 00:30:39,092
trying to pull
yourself together.

512
00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:42,985
You can never see
behind closed doors

513
00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:44,799
unless someone
chooses to let you in.

514
00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:53,981
I was in contact
with my father daily,

515
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:56,770
but whether or not I
saw him at the house

516
00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:58,525
or we talked on the phone...

517
00:30:58,566 --> 00:31:00,066
Check my cellphone records.

518
00:31:00,110 --> 00:31:01,320
The phone records...

519
00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:04,111
My phone pings had me
calling Hopespring Drive

520
00:31:04,155 --> 00:31:07,485
again and again and again
when my mom was at work.

521
00:31:08,868 --> 00:31:11,198
-And what were
you saying to him?

522
00:31:11,246 --> 00:31:13,666
-I just wanted answers.
When am I going to see her?

523
00:31:13,707 --> 00:31:15,434
How much longer are we
going to keep doing this?

524
00:31:15,458 --> 00:31:17,498
Is she okay?

525
00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:20,214
That I remember.

526
00:31:20,255 --> 00:31:23,215
- And what would he say?
- He would tell me she was fine.

527
00:31:23,258 --> 00:31:26,298
"Just keep doing what
I'm telling you to do.

528
00:31:26,344 --> 00:31:28,394
You guys will be reunited soon."

529
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:29,810
That's what sticks with me.

530
00:31:29,848 --> 00:31:33,058
He told me at one point,
we would be reunited soon.

531
00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:38,687
-Did he describe where Caylee
was or what she was doing?

532
00:31:38,732 --> 00:31:41,692
-No. Wouldn't
tell me anything.

533
00:31:41,735 --> 00:31:43,815
I would ask if he
knew where she was,

534
00:31:43,862 --> 00:31:46,492
and he would just
tell me she was safe.

535
00:31:48,742 --> 00:31:53,412
When you're physically
afraid of another human being

536
00:31:53,455 --> 00:31:57,205
and you were conditioned
to say and do

537
00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:01,840
what they wanted you to say
and do, even as an adult,

538
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,840
you're still going to
revert right back to it.

539
00:32:05,884 --> 00:32:08,264
-So you really believed he would
have kidnapped her from you

540
00:32:08,303 --> 00:32:09,683
and put you through all of that?

541
00:32:09,721 --> 00:32:11,365
That made sense to you
that he would do that?

542
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:13,139
-At the time it did.

543
00:32:13,183 --> 00:32:14,643
-It just seems incredible.

544
00:32:14,684 --> 00:32:17,274
For 31 days, you're
still in that space of...

545
00:32:17,312 --> 00:32:19,373
-I was still in that space
even a couple of weeks later

546
00:32:19,397 --> 00:32:22,357
when I was in jail.

547
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,860
Hopeful.

548
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:28,660
-What's your gut
telling you right now?

549
00:32:28,698 --> 00:32:31,828
-My gut's telling
me that she's okay.

550
00:32:31,868 --> 00:32:35,658
-Okay. And your gut tells you
that she's close or some...

551
00:32:35,705 --> 00:32:37,705
She's... She's hiding.

552
00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:39,169
-She's not far.

553
00:32:39,209 --> 00:32:41,379
I know in my heart,
she's not far.

554
00:32:41,419 --> 00:32:43,759
I can feel it.
- Okay.

555
00:32:46,383 --> 00:32:48,683
Okay.

556
00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:51,598
Alright.
- Oh, God.

557
00:32:51,638 --> 00:32:54,018
My mom is asking me if
I think Caylee's okay,

558
00:32:54,057 --> 00:32:57,727
and I tell her yes, but
I'm looking at my father...

559
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,480
because I wanted to
believe it so bad.

560
00:33:05,402 --> 00:33:07,362
I really wanted to believe him.

561
00:33:07,404 --> 00:33:09,534
Maybe that's the disassociation.

562
00:33:09,572 --> 00:33:12,122
Maybe that's the...

563
00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:15,248
trying to protect
myself from the pain

564
00:33:15,286 --> 00:33:19,866
of having known deep
down all along

565
00:33:19,916 --> 00:33:22,376
that something happened and
I didn't want to confront it.

566
00:33:22,419 --> 00:33:23,879
I don't know.

567
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,170
I regret every day

568
00:33:26,214 --> 00:33:28,934
that I didn't come forward
about what he did to me.

569
00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:31,547
I regret every day that I lied
to my mom during that time

570
00:33:31,594 --> 00:33:34,644
because I didn't know
what to say, too.

571
00:33:36,891 --> 00:33:41,271
I wish it were a simple answer
and a simple explanation.

572
00:33:41,312 --> 00:33:44,862
Nothing about trauma
or abuse is ever simple

573
00:33:44,899 --> 00:33:47,989
because you're just
trying to survive.

574
00:33:48,028 --> 00:33:51,448
I was convinced
that she was okay...

575
00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:53,949
until December of 2008.

576
00:33:57,746 --> 00:34:00,036
-This morning at
approximately 9:30 a.m.,

577
00:34:00,081 --> 00:34:02,101
we had a call to the sheriff's
office regarding a discovery

578
00:34:02,125 --> 00:34:04,285
that was made by an Orange
County meter employee

579
00:34:04,336 --> 00:34:06,416
who had gone into the woods.

580
00:34:06,463 --> 00:34:07,883
A bag was found there.

581
00:34:07,922 --> 00:34:09,762
-We recovered this human skull.

582
00:34:09,799 --> 00:34:12,299
It appears to be that
of a small child.

583
00:34:12,344 --> 00:34:14,054
Now the investigation continues.

584
00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:17,425
-Skeletal remains
discovered 15 houses away

585
00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:18,894
from the Anthony home.

586
00:34:21,978 --> 00:34:25,938
-They sent a couple officers
to come into the room

587
00:34:25,982 --> 00:34:27,572
that I was staying in.

588
00:34:27,609 --> 00:34:31,359
So they walk me down the hall,
I walk into the nurse's station.

589
00:34:31,404 --> 00:34:33,704
Still have me handcuffed.

590
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:36,830
And set me down in
the waiting area.

591
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,960
They have a TV on,
though, in the far corner,

592
00:34:42,999 --> 00:34:47,589
and it's the live footage.

593
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:52,179
And all you see across the
bottom is "Body found."

594
00:34:52,217 --> 00:34:55,847
And I'm listening to
them start to say...

595
00:35:02,852 --> 00:35:06,312
And I lose it.

596
00:35:06,356 --> 00:35:07,856
Couldn't breathe.

597
00:35:10,402 --> 00:35:13,322
That was the confirmation
that she wasn't coming home.

598
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,409
Because all of that
time, I still held on

599
00:35:18,451 --> 00:35:20,501
to that shred of hope
that she'd be okay.

600
00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:38,758
-The officer let me talk to her.

601
00:35:38,805 --> 00:35:41,425
It was the first
time we held hands.

602
00:35:44,102 --> 00:35:46,062
And we just cried together.

603
00:35:49,858 --> 00:35:53,698
Her eyes were just
bloodshot. Her face was red.

604
00:35:59,325 --> 00:36:02,285
It was horrible.

605
00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:04,998
At that point,
all hope was gone.

606
00:36:07,834 --> 00:36:10,674
-Sheriff Beary, Joyce Dawley,

607
00:36:10,712 --> 00:36:14,222
Dr. Jan Garavaglia.

608
00:36:14,257 --> 00:36:16,467
-With regret, I'm
here to inform you

609
00:36:16,509 --> 00:36:20,059
that the skeletal remains
found on December 11th

610
00:36:20,096 --> 00:36:23,516
are those of the missing
toddler, Caylee Anthony.

611
00:36:26,853 --> 00:36:30,193
This identification
was made by nuclear DNA

612
00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,481
taken from a portion
of the remains

613
00:36:32,525 --> 00:36:37,065
and compared to a known
profile of Caylee Anthony.

614
00:36:37,113 --> 00:36:39,993
-We're told that a jail
chaplain informed Casey Anthony

615
00:36:40,033 --> 00:36:42,743
that her daughter's remains
have been identified.

616
00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:45,036
-She is behind bars right now
at the Orange County Jail.

617
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,710
She is charged with murder.

618
00:36:56,883 --> 00:37:00,053
Yes, I was naive.
Yes, I was dumb.

619
00:37:00,095 --> 00:37:04,135
Clearly, no matter how
smart I was, I was dumb.

620
00:37:04,182 --> 00:37:06,562
This whole time
leading up to that,

621
00:37:06,601 --> 00:37:08,101
I thought that
there was a chance

622
00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:10,524
she could still be alive.

623
00:37:10,563 --> 00:37:13,113
I was telling the truth about...

624
00:37:13,149 --> 00:37:15,149
I thought there
was still a chance.

625
00:37:18,488 --> 00:37:21,068
It's an instinct you're supposed
to have as a parent to know

626
00:37:21,116 --> 00:37:22,906
something is wrong
with your child.

627
00:37:22,951 --> 00:37:24,831
I should've known.

628
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:51,980
-This is a major,
major development.

629
00:37:52,022 --> 00:37:55,982
Now the test will be,
do the forensics match

630
00:37:56,026 --> 00:37:57,526
the circumstantial evidence?

631
00:37:57,569 --> 00:38:00,859
-They know where the child
was, how she was disposed of.

632
00:38:00,905 --> 00:38:02,195
Hopefully, there is a lot

633
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,676
of forensic evidence
they can use here.

634
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:07,040
-This is completely
a forensic story now.

635
00:38:18,131 --> 00:38:23,551
-So down here on Suburban Drive
is where the recovery was made,

636
00:38:23,595 --> 00:38:26,345
just down around the corner
from the Anthony home.

637
00:38:31,936 --> 00:38:35,816
Looks much different than it
did on the day of the discovery.

638
00:38:49,788 --> 00:38:52,918
Eric.
- John, how are you?

639
00:38:52,957 --> 00:38:54,707
- Good. You?
- Good. Thanks.

640
00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:03,925
Definitely in the ballpark
location where when we came out,

641
00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:07,558
you know, we made our first
entry to go down there.

642
00:39:10,975 --> 00:39:13,475
She would have been right down
in here in the flagged area.

643
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520
We're not very far from
that location right here.

644
00:39:16,564 --> 00:39:21,194
-Kind of standing about
where... where it was.

645
00:39:21,236 --> 00:39:24,236
When Caylee's body was found,

646
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,950
there was duct tape
wrapped around her head.

647
00:39:27,992 --> 00:39:30,792
I remember seeing the duct tape.

648
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:32,539
-Yeah, the duct tape.

649
00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:35,960
I remember how her hair
kind of rolled around

650
00:39:36,001 --> 00:39:37,353
and made almost
like she was resting

651
00:39:37,377 --> 00:39:39,337
in a bird's nest of hair.

652
00:39:39,379 --> 00:39:42,629
She would have been in
two black plastic bags

653
00:39:42,674 --> 00:39:45,264
and a large laundry bag,

654
00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:48,681
and there was a Winnie the
Pooh blanket with the remains.

655
00:39:48,722 --> 00:39:49,972
-Right.

656
00:39:50,015 --> 00:39:53,435
-Those are items that
jumped out at me.

657
00:39:53,476 --> 00:39:55,806
-There was a big effort on
the part of law enforcement

658
00:39:55,854 --> 00:39:58,314
to try to trace items
found at the crime scene

659
00:39:58,356 --> 00:40:00,146
there where Caylee's
body was found back

660
00:40:00,191 --> 00:40:03,991
to items recovered
at the Anthony home.

661
00:40:04,029 --> 00:40:05,239
-The bag that she was in,

662
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,490
the laundry bag
was part of a set.

663
00:40:07,532 --> 00:40:11,292
And we found the other part
of the set at the house.

664
00:40:11,327 --> 00:40:13,657
The duct tape wrapped
around her head

665
00:40:13,705 --> 00:40:16,455
was a specific
brand of duct tape.

666
00:40:16,499 --> 00:40:19,789
That same duct tape was
found at the Anthony home.

667
00:40:19,836 --> 00:40:24,006
-The Winnie the Pooh blanket
matched the bed sheet

668
00:40:24,049 --> 00:40:26,589
from the child's bedroom.

669
00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:28,696
-It turned out there were a
lot of things at the scene

670
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,220
that linked to the home.

671
00:40:32,265 --> 00:40:35,845
-So what happened?

672
00:40:35,894 --> 00:40:39,444
-It appeared that a person
from the Anthony home

673
00:40:39,481 --> 00:40:41,361
taped her face up
with duct tape,

674
00:40:41,399 --> 00:40:43,939
stuffed her in a trash bag,

675
00:40:43,985 --> 00:40:48,775
dumped her in the woods down
the street from the house.

676
00:40:48,823 --> 00:40:51,123
-Based on available information,

677
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,949
including examination
of the body,

678
00:40:53,995 --> 00:40:55,825
information from the scene,

679
00:40:55,872 --> 00:40:58,752
the manner of death in
this case is homicide.

680
00:41:00,877 --> 00:41:06,297
-There was, in fact, some tape
on the mouth of Caylee Anthony.

681
00:41:06,341 --> 00:41:08,431
That changes the game.
- Well, sure, it does.

682
00:41:08,468 --> 00:41:10,678
I think it shows that the
child incurred suffering

683
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,260
and they'll go after her
for the death penalty now,

684
00:41:13,306 --> 00:41:15,476
mother or no mother.

685
00:41:15,517 --> 00:41:17,307
-There was no question
in their minds

686
00:41:17,352 --> 00:41:20,312
about whether or
not I did anything.

687
00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:22,225
I wasn't the only
one living at home.

688
00:41:22,273 --> 00:41:25,153
But they didn't go and
ask anyone in the family

689
00:41:25,193 --> 00:41:28,363
about garbage bags
and duct tape.

690
00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:29,855
-Tonight, a big breaker,

691
00:41:29,906 --> 00:41:33,076
a shocker in the case
against Casey Anthony.

692
00:41:33,118 --> 00:41:35,198
Prosecutors announced
they will...

693
00:41:35,245 --> 00:41:37,455
Yes, they will seek
the death penalty

694
00:41:37,497 --> 00:41:39,417
against the 23-year-old
for the murder

695
00:41:39,457 --> 00:41:41,787
of her precious 2-year-old
daughter, Caylee.

696
00:41:45,171 --> 00:41:49,801
-One thing that those of us
who do death-penalty work,

697
00:41:49,843 --> 00:41:54,473
what we know is, even though
our clients might be innocent,

698
00:41:54,514 --> 00:41:57,024
there is a very high likelihood

699
00:41:57,058 --> 00:41:59,768
that there can be
a guilty verdict.

700
00:41:59,811 --> 00:42:02,021
I had those
conversations with Casey.

701
00:42:02,063 --> 00:42:05,073
"We have to really be
able to tell your story."

702
00:42:06,026 --> 00:42:08,946
-Can you talk to me about
the process of deciding

703
00:42:08,987 --> 00:42:12,697
to tell your defense team about
what happened with Caylee?

704
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,949
-It's still not a conversation
I've really had in depth

705
00:42:16,995 --> 00:42:19,455
with any of them to this day.

706
00:42:19,497 --> 00:42:24,627
And the desire was to never
again open those boxes

707
00:42:24,669 --> 00:42:28,799
to never have to relive
those things that happened.

708
00:42:37,515 --> 00:42:40,305
-I got involved in
the Casey Anthony case

709
00:42:40,352 --> 00:42:43,772
on the day Caylee's
remains were found.

710
00:42:43,813 --> 00:42:45,443
She was facing
the death penalty.

711
00:42:45,482 --> 00:42:48,572
So I was going to
start an investigation.

712
00:42:48,610 --> 00:42:53,160
We're trying to find
out what happened here.

713
00:42:53,198 --> 00:42:56,488
The second day I was in Orlando,

714
00:42:56,534 --> 00:43:00,464
I was brought over to
Hopespring to meet the family,

715
00:43:00,497 --> 00:43:04,627
and Cindy was on the phone
as I'm being introduced,

716
00:43:04,668 --> 00:43:06,628
telling George, the husband,

717
00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:09,710
"Geraldo's on the
phone, wants us at 9:00,

718
00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:12,586
but we're already booked
for the 'Today' show."

719
00:43:12,634 --> 00:43:15,514
They had a guy on the floor
with a computer saying,

720
00:43:15,553 --> 00:43:18,603
"Well, we raised $27,000
for our foundation

721
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,940
to help other parents find their
children when they go missing."

722
00:43:21,976 --> 00:43:26,476
It hit me like, "Wow, that's
not how I would be acting."

723
00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:30,243
The dynamics of what's happening
that day and, you know,

724
00:43:30,276 --> 00:43:33,406
this is after the
remains have been found.

725
00:43:33,446 --> 00:43:35,366
Caylee's gone. I'd
have been a mess.

726
00:43:35,407 --> 00:43:38,237
It just was kind of crazy to me.

727
00:43:39,953 --> 00:43:46,423
I went to Casey's room and
saw this monument to Caylee.

728
00:43:46,459 --> 00:43:48,289
These pictures all over the wall

729
00:43:48,336 --> 00:43:50,876
told me a story of a
very loving mother.

730
00:43:50,922 --> 00:43:54,842
Casey took 20 a day
of her daughter.

731
00:43:57,929 --> 00:43:59,759
The next weekend,
I had to come back.

732
00:43:59,806 --> 00:44:03,636
I said, "I'll be back, and
I'd like to talk to Cindy."

733
00:44:03,685 --> 00:44:06,725
She showed up late
Sunday night with George

734
00:44:06,771 --> 00:44:11,691
and... they were towing
a... Like, a bass boat

735
00:44:11,735 --> 00:44:14,605
that was totally tricked
out, freshly painted,

736
00:44:14,654 --> 00:44:19,414
"Call 1-800 missing
children" on the side of it.

737
00:44:19,451 --> 00:44:21,831
-It's the SS <i>Caylee Marie.</i>

738
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:24,410
That's my granddaughter. In
honor of my granddaughter.

739
00:44:24,456 --> 00:44:27,286
-They get out.
Cindy's sunburnt.

740
00:44:27,334 --> 00:44:30,804
They've been out on
this boat all day long.

741
00:44:30,837 --> 00:44:33,797
They said, "We want to do
a sea trial for this boat"

742
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,930
that they must have got
through their foundation.

743
00:44:35,967 --> 00:44:39,717
And I'm again thinking, "Well,
if I was in their shoes,

744
00:44:39,763 --> 00:44:41,263
it was my daughter,
my granddaughter,

745
00:44:41,306 --> 00:44:43,346
I doubt if I'd be
go getting a boat

746
00:44:43,391 --> 00:44:47,101
to go look for other missing
children on a frickin' lake."

747
00:44:47,145 --> 00:44:48,265
It made no sense.

748
00:44:48,313 --> 00:44:50,363
It just was more
of that insanity

749
00:44:50,398 --> 00:44:51,978
pulling me into the case.

750
00:44:52,025 --> 00:44:55,695
And I remember coming out and
Jose Baez, Casey's attorney,

751
00:44:55,737 --> 00:44:58,617
and he says, "What
did you think, Pat?"

752
00:44:58,656 --> 00:45:02,576
I said, "You know, I still
don't have enough information

753
00:45:02,619 --> 00:45:06,329
because I can't connect
that girl killing that baby.

754
00:45:06,373 --> 00:45:10,713
But there's something really
fucked up about this family."

755
00:45:19,636 --> 00:45:22,596
-Pat McKenna was part
of my defense team.

756
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:27,309
After everything was done
with my case, after the trial,

757
00:45:27,352 --> 00:45:33,402
long after July of
2011, my defense team,

758
00:45:33,441 --> 00:45:35,651
they truly became my family.

759
00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:41,454
And we've chosen to
still stay banded because

760
00:45:41,491 --> 00:45:45,411
we truly do look at
one another as...

761
00:45:45,453 --> 00:45:47,663
As not just colleagues
and war buddies,

762
00:45:47,706 --> 00:45:51,836
but as... as family and friends.

763
00:45:51,876 --> 00:45:55,336
And I love these
people so much...

764
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:59,340
Liz, Pat, Dorothy, Cheney.

765
00:45:59,384 --> 00:46:03,394
So we are on our way
now to Liz's house.

766
00:46:06,725 --> 00:46:09,305
It just gives me so
much peace seeing them.

767
00:46:14,399 --> 00:46:16,779
Hi!

768
00:46:18,361 --> 00:46:21,571
-Hi, honey. How are you?

769
00:46:27,245 --> 00:46:29,705
- Hi.
- Hi.

770
00:46:29,748 --> 00:46:32,378
I've
been crying all day.

771
00:46:32,417 --> 00:46:35,627
Oh, my God.

772
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:37,420
-Oh, I'm tired.

773
00:46:39,841 --> 00:46:42,551
-When I first met Casey Anthony,

774
00:46:42,594 --> 00:46:46,604
I was struck by
how small she is.

775
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:51,059
This small, very young
woman is brought into a room

776
00:46:51,102 --> 00:46:53,272
to meet her attorneys.

777
00:46:53,313 --> 00:46:55,573
And as she's sitting there,

778
00:46:55,607 --> 00:47:00,107
you realize she's in
a cage alone all day

779
00:47:00,153 --> 00:47:03,413
in solitary confinement
at the Orange County Jail.

780
00:47:03,448 --> 00:47:09,078
I think what struck me is
she's got a sense of strength.

781
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,210
There's just such
a survivor in her.

782
00:47:11,247 --> 00:47:13,997
-I'm okay.

783
00:47:14,042 --> 00:47:15,342
You know me.

784
00:47:15,377 --> 00:47:17,047
It'll be alright.

785
00:47:17,087 --> 00:47:22,217
-Casey, at the time, wasn't one
to really share every aspect

786
00:47:22,258 --> 00:47:24,718
of her difficulties and pain.

787
00:47:24,761 --> 00:47:27,511
She's become much more
comfortable with that over time.

788
00:47:35,021 --> 00:47:37,731
At the beginning of
the Casey Anthony case,

789
00:47:37,774 --> 00:47:40,784
I was really behind the
scenes reviewing evidence

790
00:47:40,819 --> 00:47:44,949
and doing motion work
for Cheney Mason.

791
00:47:44,989 --> 00:47:49,449
Jose Baez had been her attorney
for an extended period of time,

792
00:47:49,494 --> 00:47:51,044
and he was required

793
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,459
to get a death-qualified
attorney on that.

794
00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:56,249
And that's where Cheney came in.

795
00:47:59,087 --> 00:48:00,481
Do you want to sit
up at the counter

796
00:48:00,505 --> 00:48:01,915
and I'll get you a drink?

797
00:48:01,965 --> 00:48:04,215
-It's too early
to start drinking.

798
00:48:07,804 --> 00:48:11,684
Mr. Baez started
calling my office

799
00:48:11,725 --> 00:48:14,015
and I went to meet Casey.

800
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:19,270
And after I met her
in the jail, whatever,

801
00:48:19,315 --> 00:48:23,855
my instincts or intuition
are, from being an old man

802
00:48:23,903 --> 00:48:25,823
and a long-term lawyer,

803
00:48:25,864 --> 00:48:31,494
I decided that I would
step in and help her.

804
00:48:31,536 --> 00:48:34,996
I took some pictures.

805
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,340
There's a mama deer
and a baby deer.

806
00:48:38,376 --> 00:48:40,586
-Oh, there they are.

807
00:48:40,628 --> 00:48:42,588
Right up against your
screened-in porch.

808
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:44,010
-Yeah.

809
00:48:44,049 --> 00:48:45,879
-Wow.

810
00:48:45,925 --> 00:48:49,755
-Casey... her phone
number is on my phone.

811
00:48:49,804 --> 00:48:52,524
She can call me any
time she wants to.

812
00:48:52,557 --> 00:48:58,857
I have tried something in
excess of 350 jury trials.

813
00:48:58,897 --> 00:49:04,107
Of all of the people that I
have defended of serious crimes,

814
00:49:04,152 --> 00:49:09,952
I can't think of any other
that I've invited into my home.

815
00:49:09,991 --> 00:49:13,331
I've spent well over
2,000 hours on this case,

816
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:15,080
well over $1,000,000.

817
00:49:15,121 --> 00:49:17,751
But once we were in
it, we were in it.

818
00:49:17,791 --> 00:49:20,291
There wasn't... There
was no quitting.

819
00:49:23,797 --> 00:49:27,217
-We really didn't know
what we were stepping into.

820
00:49:27,258 --> 00:49:32,058
I had no idea about the
enormity of the case.

821
00:49:32,097 --> 00:49:34,307
-The sources close to the
case say investigators now

822
00:49:34,349 --> 00:49:37,809
have overwhelming evidence
that there is no question

823
00:49:37,852 --> 00:49:43,022
Casey killed her 3-year-old
daughter, Caylee.

824
00:49:43,066 --> 00:49:46,566
-There was so much
public outcry.

825
00:49:46,611 --> 00:49:48,491
-Justice for Caylee.

826
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:53,080
-There are people that are
fully in favor of eye for an eye

827
00:49:53,118 --> 00:49:56,618
because there's a greatly
intensified seriousness

828
00:49:56,663 --> 00:49:57,873
about the case.

829
00:49:57,914 --> 00:50:00,584
We, on more than one occasion,

830
00:50:00,625 --> 00:50:03,995
as we are required
to do by federal law,

831
00:50:04,045 --> 00:50:06,965
discussed with Casey
the possibility

832
00:50:07,007 --> 00:50:10,007
of engaging in a plea bargain.

833
00:50:10,051 --> 00:50:12,101
-I'm a catastrophizer
about these things,

834
00:50:12,137 --> 00:50:16,557
so I think you at least have to
have a conversation about offers

835
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:21,439
and what that's gonna look
like and can we keep you alive?

836
00:50:21,479 --> 00:50:22,939
The deal on the table

837
00:50:22,981 --> 00:50:27,031
was 20 years in the
Department of Correction,

838
00:50:27,068 --> 00:50:31,698
and she would have to accept
guilt and responsibility

839
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:33,160
for her daughter's death.

840
00:50:37,662 --> 00:50:39,622
-Anything you want to tell us?

841
00:50:39,664 --> 00:50:42,174
- I'll talk afterwards.
- Okay. Thanks.

842
00:50:44,294 --> 00:50:46,689
-I laughed Jose Baez out of the
room that we were meeting in,

843
00:50:46,713 --> 00:50:50,013
telling him there
was no fucking way.

844
00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:54,260
-She was not having it.

845
00:50:54,304 --> 00:50:58,984
The last thing that she would
even entertain is the idea

846
00:50:59,017 --> 00:51:03,477
that she would take credit
for hurting the only one pure,

847
00:51:03,521 --> 00:51:06,271
true thing she ever had.

848
00:51:06,316 --> 00:51:09,026
-It takes a lot of courage
and belief in some way

849
00:51:09,069 --> 00:51:11,529
to, you know, be facing
the death penalty,

850
00:51:11,571 --> 00:51:14,821
turn down an offer.

851
00:51:14,866 --> 00:51:17,156
Casey would have
nothing to do with it.

852
00:51:17,202 --> 00:51:20,662
-I would rather have been found
guilty and spent my life...

853
00:51:20,705 --> 00:51:22,325
The rest of my
life on death row,

854
00:51:22,374 --> 00:51:24,504
fighting for my life
and my innocence

855
00:51:24,542 --> 00:51:27,212
than to have ever pled
to something I didn't do.

856
00:51:27,253 --> 00:51:30,223
I lied to the cops.
I wrote those checks.

857
00:51:30,256 --> 00:51:32,336
I admitted guilt
on each of those.

858
00:51:32,384 --> 00:51:33,844
That was it.

859
00:51:47,273 --> 00:51:49,233
-The national spotlight
is now focused on Orlando.

860
00:51:51,486 --> 00:51:53,446
The satellite trucks
are hooked up to feed,

861
00:51:53,488 --> 00:51:55,618
the generators are
topped off with fuel,

862
00:51:55,657 --> 00:51:58,787
and the 70-foot risers
are ready for reporters.

863
00:51:58,827 --> 00:52:01,287
-It's happening... the
most closely watched case

864
00:52:01,329 --> 00:52:04,419
maybe ever or certainly
since O.J. Simpson.

865
00:52:08,253 --> 00:52:10,133
-I will never
forget what happened

866
00:52:10,171 --> 00:52:12,471
inside of those courtrooms.

867
00:52:12,507 --> 00:52:16,427
I will never forget the anxiety

868
00:52:16,469 --> 00:52:19,889
and the dread going to
walk through those doors,

869
00:52:19,931 --> 00:52:21,811
to get off of those elevators.

870
00:52:28,314 --> 00:52:31,034
-It's taken almost three
years to get to today.

871
00:52:31,067 --> 00:52:33,897
We are now just minutes
away from opening statements

872
00:52:33,945 --> 00:52:37,815
in the murder case of
2-year-old Caylee Anthony.

873
00:52:37,866 --> 00:52:40,656
-Does the state care to make an
opening statement at this time?

874
00:52:40,702 --> 00:52:44,542
- Yes, Your Honor.
- You may proceed.

875
00:52:44,581 --> 00:52:48,791
-Linda Drane Burdick is a
very skilled prosecutor.

876
00:52:49,961 --> 00:52:52,551
-Good morning,
ladies and gentlemen.

877
00:52:52,589 --> 00:52:55,259
Welcome to Orange County.

878
00:52:57,677 --> 00:53:02,217
As difficult as it may
be for anyone to accept

879
00:53:02,265 --> 00:53:03,675
that a mother

880
00:53:03,725 --> 00:53:07,595
would intentionally
kill her own child,

881
00:53:07,645 --> 00:53:10,435
from the evidence that you
will hear in this case,

882
00:53:10,482 --> 00:53:15,782
there is no other conclusion
that could be drawn.

883
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:22,370
-This case was full of purported
evidence against Casey.

884
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:26,370
-Duct tape covered the
nose and mouth area

885
00:53:26,414 --> 00:53:28,794
of that tiny human skull.

886
00:53:28,833 --> 00:53:30,923
-Evidence of duct tape
found over the mouth

887
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,590
of the child's skull,

888
00:53:32,629 --> 00:53:35,969
high levels of chloroform found
in the trunk of Casey's car.

889
00:53:36,007 --> 00:53:39,337
-But a lot of it was
really this junk science

890
00:53:39,386 --> 00:53:41,756
that was used to pad over

891
00:53:41,805 --> 00:53:44,055
the lack of actual
facts in the case.

892
00:53:44,099 --> 00:53:46,729
I don't think anyone's
better than Dorothy Clay Sims

893
00:53:46,768 --> 00:53:49,518
at being able to get
to the bottom of that.

894
00:53:49,562 --> 00:53:53,072
-I was in charge of the
forensics with the defense team.

895
00:53:53,108 --> 00:53:57,858
I do a lot of work with motions
to exclude unreliable science,

896
00:53:57,904 --> 00:54:00,324
and I was very concerned
about some of the science

897
00:54:00,365 --> 00:54:03,025
that the state was producing.

898
00:54:03,076 --> 00:54:06,866
For example, they took a
position that Casey somehow

899
00:54:06,913 --> 00:54:08,923
was going to try
to make chloroform

900
00:54:08,957 --> 00:54:11,537
and murder her child
with chloroform.

901
00:54:11,584 --> 00:54:13,884
-Dr. Ross will also tell you

902
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,550
that he found
something unexpected.

903
00:54:18,091 --> 00:54:20,431
His instrumental analysis

904
00:54:20,468 --> 00:54:25,018
found the highest
concentration of chloroform

905
00:54:25,056 --> 00:54:27,976
that he's ever seen.

906
00:54:28,018 --> 00:54:29,938
-They've got the chloroform.

907
00:54:29,978 --> 00:54:32,108
They've got the
tape over the mouth.

908
00:54:32,147 --> 00:54:33,977
Those are major problems.

909
00:54:34,024 --> 00:54:37,074
-But when they did some
testing on the remains,

910
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:41,610
no chloroform was found
in the hair, no drugs.

911
00:54:41,656 --> 00:54:43,826
And then the duct tape.

912
00:54:43,867 --> 00:54:46,997
What everybody saw on the news
was, "Oh, the child's remains

913
00:54:47,037 --> 00:54:49,787
were found with duct
tape over the mouth."

914
00:54:49,831 --> 00:54:53,711
-No child deserves to die with
duct tape around their face.

915
00:54:53,752 --> 00:54:55,592
Well, there was no evidence

916
00:54:55,628 --> 00:55:00,128
that that's the way
that Caylee died either.

917
00:55:00,175 --> 00:55:05,055
There was duct tape, some
part attached to her hair

918
00:55:05,096 --> 00:55:07,516
hanging down on the left side

919
00:55:07,557 --> 00:55:11,637
and the lower mandible
on the right side.

920
00:55:11,686 --> 00:55:15,726
-There was no DNA at
all on the duct tape.

921
00:55:15,774 --> 00:55:17,574
How did it end up that way?

922
00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:19,489
Do I think that the
duct tape could've come

923
00:55:19,527 --> 00:55:21,197
from the exterior of
the bag? Absolutely.

924
00:55:21,237 --> 00:55:24,657
In fact, there were
witnesses that talked about

925
00:55:24,699 --> 00:55:27,489
how it could've slid
down from the bag.

926
00:55:27,535 --> 00:55:30,285
To me, it was pretty
clear that the duct tape

927
00:55:30,330 --> 00:55:33,880
had never, ever been
on Caylee's skin.

928
00:55:33,917 --> 00:55:37,337
That duct tape was not
ever around her face

929
00:55:37,379 --> 00:55:40,089
when she was still alive.

930
00:55:40,131 --> 00:55:43,051
I was concerned about
the hair banding.

931
00:55:45,011 --> 00:55:49,891
-When I examined that
trunk, I found 15 hairs.

932
00:55:49,933 --> 00:55:53,193
And this one, this hair,
it's a long hair...

933
00:55:53,228 --> 00:55:54,648
right here.

934
00:55:54,688 --> 00:55:57,858
They sent it to the FBI.

935
00:55:57,899 --> 00:56:03,069
They found the dark band near
to the root area of the hair,

936
00:56:03,113 --> 00:56:04,613
which is an indication

937
00:56:04,656 --> 00:56:08,156
that that hair came
from a decomposed body.

938
00:56:09,244 --> 00:56:16,424
This hair is identify with the
DNA from the mother's side.

939
00:56:16,459 --> 00:56:21,669
So we have Cindy, we
have Casey both alive.

940
00:56:21,715 --> 00:56:25,545
The only person that
is missing is Caylee.

941
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:35,899
-There are other causes
for hair banding.

942
00:56:35,937 --> 00:56:39,397
Not just that it
came from a body

943
00:56:39,441 --> 00:56:40,901
that was already deceased.

944
00:56:40,942 --> 00:56:44,072
You can have hair banding
even on people who are alive.

945
00:56:44,112 --> 00:56:46,702
Things like moisture
and dirt, et cetera,

946
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:48,240
can cause hair banding.

947
00:56:48,283 --> 00:56:51,583
And then there's a problem
with the cadaver dogs.

948
00:56:51,619 --> 00:56:53,659
-The first pass he started
indicating in the...

949
00:56:53,705 --> 00:56:55,705
In the rear of the vehicle.

950
00:56:55,749 --> 00:56:57,249
I could tell he was
working something,

951
00:56:57,292 --> 00:57:01,962
looking, um, to the
back-seat, trunk area.

952
00:57:02,005 --> 00:57:05,085
-The cadaver dogs came back
and didn't alert a second time.

953
00:57:05,133 --> 00:57:08,093
That is a symptom of the
whole problem with the case

954
00:57:08,136 --> 00:57:12,266
because people would latch
on to a cadaver dog alerting

955
00:57:12,307 --> 00:57:16,017
but completely ignore
evidence of a cadaver dog

956
00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:17,191
that doesn't alert.

957
00:57:17,228 --> 00:57:20,518
You can cause a
cadaver dog to alert.

958
00:57:20,565 --> 00:57:23,685
And if you can rely
on a cadaver dog,

959
00:57:23,735 --> 00:57:25,565
which are you gonna rely on?

960
00:57:25,612 --> 00:57:27,782
That's the problem.
It's inexact.

961
00:57:27,822 --> 00:57:30,492
It's inexact science.

962
00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:33,203
And then the
decompositional odors.

963
00:57:33,244 --> 00:57:36,164
The state said that their expert

964
00:57:36,206 --> 00:57:37,786
could quantify the molecules

965
00:57:37,832 --> 00:57:40,002
that were in the
air in the trunk

966
00:57:40,043 --> 00:57:42,633
and determine if
they were consistent

967
00:57:42,671 --> 00:57:44,381
with decompositional odors.

968
00:57:44,422 --> 00:57:45,672
-And what that does is

969
00:57:45,715 --> 00:57:47,295
essentially
condenses and freezes

970
00:57:47,342 --> 00:57:50,972
all the odor molecules into
a small, little pellet.

971
00:57:51,012 --> 00:57:55,482
-I'm not aware of any
trial that this methodology

972
00:57:55,517 --> 00:57:57,267
had ever been accepted in.

973
00:57:57,310 --> 00:57:59,730
It's very questionable.

974
00:57:59,771 --> 00:58:03,191
The lack of true, reproducible
science is shocking.

975
00:58:03,233 --> 00:58:04,693
It's really shocking.

976
00:58:09,114 --> 00:58:12,994
-There wasn't any evidence
that Casey ever hurt her child,

977
00:58:13,034 --> 00:58:15,914
let alone that she was
responsible for her death.

978
00:58:15,954 --> 00:58:19,004
This child that she loved
so much, by all accounts,

979
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,710
by all the witnesses
that knew her.

980
00:58:28,717 --> 00:58:33,177
The crux of this case
and the anger was

981
00:58:33,221 --> 00:58:37,021
it appeared to be that she
was behaving incorrectly.

982
00:58:37,058 --> 00:58:41,598
The type of discovery,
the evidence

983
00:58:41,646 --> 00:58:43,896
that the state was
sharing with the defense

984
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:46,070
really was more
about painting her

985
00:58:46,109 --> 00:58:50,569
as a young, scandalous woman
without a care in the world.

986
00:58:51,781 --> 00:58:54,161
And according to their theory,

987
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,460
only a murderer would be
able to compartmentalize

988
00:58:58,496 --> 00:59:03,126
and enjoy themselves when
their child was missing.

989
00:59:04,252 --> 00:59:08,672
I really realized the gravity
of the situation we were in.

990
00:59:08,715 --> 00:59:11,795
You never know what
a jury is gonna do.

991
00:59:11,843 --> 00:59:15,013
Casey was in for the
fight of her life

992
00:59:24,898 --> 00:59:26,538
-News 13's Jacqueline
Fell has information

993
00:59:26,775 --> 00:59:28,105
on today's deposition.

994
00:59:28,151 --> 00:59:31,701
-We were covering
the case every day.

995
00:59:31,738 --> 00:59:33,488
While there's an enormous
amount of evidence

996
00:59:33,531 --> 00:59:35,161
for the 12 jurors to process,

997
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,580
they're also trying
to process this...

998
00:59:37,619 --> 00:59:39,869
Just what to make
of the 25-year-old

999
00:59:39,913 --> 00:59:42,333
accused of killing her daughter.

1000
00:59:42,374 --> 00:59:44,584
They say she went to
clubs, got her nails done,

1001
00:59:44,626 --> 00:59:46,376
got a tattoo that
said "Good life."

1002
00:59:46,419 --> 00:59:50,089
And according to one friend was
giddy about her new boyfriend.

1003
00:59:50,131 --> 00:59:52,801
-This really was sort of
like the first big case

1004
00:59:52,842 --> 00:59:54,262
playing out on social media.

1005
00:59:54,302 --> 00:59:57,512
The news station had
a Twitter account

1006
00:59:57,555 --> 00:59:59,965
created for this case.

1007
01:00:00,016 --> 01:00:04,226
People just were constantly
talking about it online.

1008
01:00:04,270 --> 01:00:08,270
In the court of public opinion,
Casey was already guilty.

1009
01:00:09,317 --> 01:00:12,107
-It was the first
trial by social media.

1010
01:00:12,153 --> 01:00:14,363
The public was
weighing in on this,

1011
01:00:14,406 --> 01:00:15,946
and I'm sure the prosecutors

1012
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:18,620
had to be reading
what they were saying

1013
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:20,830
and tailoring what
they were doing

1014
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:22,210
to what was coming in.

1015
01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:25,457
-Caylee's death
allowed Casey Anthony

1016
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:27,670
to live the good life,

1017
01:00:27,711 --> 01:00:31,511
at least for those 31 days.

1018
01:00:31,548 --> 01:00:34,548
-Shot girls, music, dancing.

1019
01:00:34,592 --> 01:00:38,472
Young people doing what young
people are supposed to do,

1020
01:00:38,513 --> 01:00:40,523
and I want to say that clearly.

1021
01:00:40,557 --> 01:00:43,137
There's nothing wrong with
young people being young people.

1022
01:00:43,184 --> 01:00:45,484
There's nothing with
young people drinking

1023
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,860
and dancing and having fun.

1024
01:00:47,897 --> 01:00:50,937
There's nothing wrong with that.

1025
01:00:50,984 --> 01:00:55,824
But that's not the
life that Casey has,

1026
01:00:55,864 --> 01:00:58,164
because Casey is a mom.

1027
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:00,659
-That's in the entire
prosecution as,

1028
01:01:00,702 --> 01:01:02,662
"Well, explain yourself.

1029
01:01:02,704 --> 01:01:04,164
I mean, that's not the way

1030
01:01:04,205 --> 01:01:06,495
a grieving mother
is allowed to act."

1031
01:01:06,541 --> 01:01:11,881
-I think that the best way
to explain Casey's behavior

1032
01:01:11,921 --> 01:01:15,931
is through the words
of Dr. Sally Karioth.

1033
01:01:15,967 --> 01:01:18,677
Sally Karioth was
the grief specialist

1034
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,270
that came in and talked about
what it's like for young people

1035
01:01:23,308 --> 01:01:24,848
when they have a
traumatic event.

1036
01:01:24,893 --> 01:01:28,903
She had over 30 years'
experience in the field.

1037
01:01:28,938 --> 01:01:31,018
-They are reluctant grievers.

1038
01:01:31,066 --> 01:01:32,606
Young adults are
reluctant grievers,

1039
01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:37,740
and they will often say
nothing has happened.

1040
01:01:37,781 --> 01:01:39,871
They will demonstrate
risky behavior.

1041
01:01:39,908 --> 01:01:41,868
-The behavior that
Casey engaged in

1042
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:44,830
was absolutely
consistent with grief.

1043
01:01:44,871 --> 01:01:48,961
It just wasn't what we typically
understand grief to look like.

1044
01:01:50,669 --> 01:01:54,049
-I read psychological
experts, their depositions,

1045
01:01:54,089 --> 01:01:57,009
and I conferenced with them.

1046
01:01:57,050 --> 01:01:59,050
The lying that Casey
was engaging in

1047
01:01:59,094 --> 01:02:02,764
wasn't for manipulation
or self-gain.

1048
01:02:02,806 --> 01:02:05,136
-Pathological lying
is not a diagnosis.

1049
01:02:05,183 --> 01:02:09,563
It's a pattern of behavior
often shown to occur

1050
01:02:09,604 --> 01:02:13,734
as a result of developmental
issues, family issues.

1051
01:02:13,775 --> 01:02:16,065
-People react
differently to trauma.

1052
01:02:16,111 --> 01:02:18,911
It depends on their
background, how they're raised.

1053
01:02:18,947 --> 01:02:22,737
Casey's behavior was
a behavior of someone

1054
01:02:22,784 --> 01:02:26,794
that is not
inconsistent with abuse.

1055
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:28,330
-Based on my
experience in working

1056
01:02:28,373 --> 01:02:33,213
in the sexual-abuse area,
after the sexual abuse stops,

1057
01:02:33,253 --> 01:02:37,593
there's still this dynamic
of feeling like the father,

1058
01:02:37,632 --> 01:02:41,012
the perpetrator, has control.

1059
01:02:41,052 --> 01:02:43,602
She told me what
happened to Caylee.

1060
01:02:43,638 --> 01:02:47,098
It helped me understand
why she would go along

1061
01:02:47,142 --> 01:02:49,942
with what he told her to do

1062
01:02:49,978 --> 01:02:53,478
and not disclose what
happened to Caylee.

1063
01:02:55,984 --> 01:03:00,204
-That was so important
for our understanding.

1064
01:03:00,238 --> 01:03:01,948
I mean, not just
the defense teams,

1065
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:03,580
but the jury as well,

1066
01:03:03,616 --> 01:03:07,196
that Casey has been
through significant trauma.

1067
01:03:11,207 --> 01:03:13,787
-Good afternoon,
members of the jury.

1068
01:03:13,835 --> 01:03:16,455
Mr. Baez, you may proceed.

1069
01:03:16,504 --> 01:03:20,974
-Come with me to 4937
Hopespring Drive.

1070
01:03:21,009 --> 01:03:23,469
It looks like the
all-American home.

1071
01:03:23,511 --> 01:03:26,771
In fact, you can drive by
any home in the United States

1072
01:03:26,806 --> 01:03:31,306
and never know what goes
on behind closed doors.

1073
01:03:31,353 --> 01:03:33,943
You never know what
secrets lie within.

1074
01:03:37,609 --> 01:03:43,409
You see, this family must
keep its secrets quiet.

1075
01:03:44,366 --> 01:03:47,486
And it all began when
Casey was 8 years old

1076
01:03:47,535 --> 01:03:49,865
and her father
came into her room

1077
01:03:49,913 --> 01:03:53,543
and began to touch
her inappropriately.

1078
01:03:53,583 --> 01:03:55,173
And it escalated.

1079
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:58,380
And it escalated.

1080
01:04:03,009 --> 01:04:05,469
-Did you know what
he was gonna say?

1081
01:04:05,512 --> 01:04:07,102
-No.

1082
01:04:07,138 --> 01:04:09,348
-Did you know he was
gonna bring up the abuse?

1083
01:04:09,391 --> 01:04:10,561
-No.

1084
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,690
- You didn't know?
- He didn't tell me.

1085
01:04:12,727 --> 01:04:18,357
He did not even come to see
me before we went into court.

1086
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,490
He didn't tell me anything.

1087
01:04:21,528 --> 01:04:25,238
He wanted to make sure my
reaction and my response

1088
01:04:25,281 --> 01:04:27,371
was as real and raw as possible.

1089
01:04:27,409 --> 01:04:31,249
So he didn't want me
to be prepped for this.

1090
01:04:37,210 --> 01:04:40,050
What I'm feeling in that moment

1091
01:04:40,088 --> 01:04:43,588
listening to Jose
Baez tell the world...

1092
01:04:45,135 --> 01:04:49,175
about the abuse
that I suffered...

1093
01:04:49,222 --> 01:04:51,522
it was absolute shame.

1094
01:04:54,728 --> 01:04:59,608
I remember that feeling
like it was yesterday.

1095
01:05:01,693 --> 01:05:04,953
There's always going to be
that part of me that's...

1096
01:05:04,988 --> 01:05:09,488
going to feel like I'm not
enough because of what happened.

1097
01:05:09,534 --> 01:05:11,374
Not good enough

1098
01:05:11,411 --> 01:05:13,791
because of all of the things
that have happened to me.

1099
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:16,620
-Not good enough for what?

1100
01:05:16,666 --> 01:05:18,836
-Just not good enough,

1101
01:05:18,877 --> 01:05:23,417
that I'm... tarnished...

1102
01:05:23,465 --> 01:05:25,505
tainted.

1103
01:05:26,676 --> 01:05:31,806
That's a really, really,
really hard moment.

1104
01:05:32,974 --> 01:05:36,274
-It was the deepest, darkest
secrets that she held,

1105
01:05:36,311 --> 01:05:39,941
laid out bare in
front of the public.

1106
01:05:39,981 --> 01:05:42,281
Her chin started to shiver.

1107
01:05:42,317 --> 01:05:44,737
I could see the tears coming.

1108
01:05:44,778 --> 01:05:48,778
And it was the first time I saw
that whatever defense mechanism

1109
01:05:48,823 --> 01:05:50,083
she had built over the years

1110
01:05:50,116 --> 01:05:53,576
were not gonna be
working for her anymore.

1111
01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:56,790
-The jury understood
the relevance

1112
01:05:56,831 --> 01:05:59,671
of the innocent until
proven guilty standards

1113
01:05:59,709 --> 01:06:02,799
and that Caylee's
death was shocking.

1114
01:06:02,837 --> 01:06:04,877
Casey was... was stunned.

1115
01:06:04,923 --> 01:06:07,803
Young people who are not trained
on how to deal with trauma

1116
01:06:07,842 --> 01:06:10,682
simply shut down and
pretend it didn't occur.

1117
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,140
If someone can't deal
with a trauma like that

1118
01:06:13,181 --> 01:06:15,021
because they are so
close to their child

1119
01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:18,598
and they love their
child so very much,

1120
01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:20,475
that says that they
are a good mother,

1121
01:06:20,522 --> 01:06:22,072
not a bad mother.

1122
01:06:30,907 --> 01:06:32,527
-It just resonated with me

1123
01:06:32,575 --> 01:06:35,405
that this was a
very loving mother.

1124
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,870
We don't think that
girl killed that baby.

1125
01:06:39,916 --> 01:06:42,036
So what happened?

1126
01:06:42,085 --> 01:06:44,295
I think that an accident
could have happened.

1127
01:06:44,337 --> 01:06:46,967
And I just want to see
the facts, the evidence,

1128
01:06:47,007 --> 01:06:48,627
talk to witnesses.

1129
01:06:48,675 --> 01:06:50,425
I want to find out more.

1130
01:06:50,468 --> 01:06:54,388
-Pat McKenna did the
hard work of showing up,

1131
01:06:54,431 --> 01:06:56,981
talking to people who
don't want to get involved,

1132
01:06:57,017 --> 01:07:00,147
seeing what their stories
are and what their truth is,

1133
01:07:00,186 --> 01:07:01,686
and figuring out
if there's evidence

1134
01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:03,360
that supports this case.

1135
01:07:03,398 --> 01:07:06,438
He located Krystal Holloway.

1136
01:07:06,484 --> 01:07:08,574
-What do we know
about this woman?

1137
01:07:08,611 --> 01:07:11,161
They claim she had an
affair with George Anthony.

1138
01:07:11,197 --> 01:07:12,907
-During this whole fiasco,

1139
01:07:12,949 --> 01:07:16,329
George has an affair with
this woman, Krystal Holloway.

1140
01:07:16,369 --> 01:07:19,079
-I'm told that he
visited her many times

1141
01:07:19,122 --> 01:07:20,502
at her gated community.

1142
01:07:20,540 --> 01:07:22,540
-He's unburdening
himself to this woman,

1143
01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:25,754
figuring this will
never come out anywhere.

1144
01:07:25,795 --> 01:07:27,545
So when I go to talk to her,

1145
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:31,339
I learn from Krystal what
really happened to Caylee.

1146
01:07:33,636 --> 01:07:35,216
-She had information
that was important.

1147
01:07:35,263 --> 01:07:36,933
She said George told her

1148
01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:40,063
that this was an accident
that spiraled out of control.

1149
01:07:40,101 --> 01:07:43,271
-When Krystal Holloway
took the stand

1150
01:07:43,313 --> 01:07:45,193
and told her story,

1151
01:07:45,231 --> 01:07:49,861
it was really clear that
she was doing her level best

1152
01:07:49,903 --> 01:07:51,243
to tell her truth,

1153
01:07:51,279 --> 01:07:53,529
even though it was so
far outside of anything

1154
01:07:53,573 --> 01:07:56,283
she was actually
comfortable with.

1155
01:07:56,326 --> 01:07:58,406
Without Krystal
Holloway coming in,

1156
01:07:58,453 --> 01:08:01,793
I'm not sure where we would
have ultimately landed.

1157
01:08:01,831 --> 01:08:05,881
Casey has never told me
what happened with Caylee,

1158
01:08:05,919 --> 01:08:09,419
but I think the evidence
and the science support

1159
01:08:09,464 --> 01:08:14,474
that it was most likely
an accidental drowning

1160
01:08:14,511 --> 01:08:18,891
that really did snowball out
of control, where no one acted

1161
01:08:18,932 --> 01:08:22,442
like you're supposed to act
when an accident happens.

1162
01:08:26,314 --> 01:08:27,524
-I mean, look at the facts.

1163
01:08:27,565 --> 01:08:30,395
This child was
found without shoes.

1164
01:08:30,443 --> 01:08:32,113
The remains had no shoes.

1165
01:08:32,153 --> 01:08:35,123
She could clearly open the
door to get out to the pool.

1166
01:08:35,156 --> 01:08:39,076
We have the photograph. She can
open the door to go outside.

1167
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:42,539
Cindy mentioned something like
that to the people at work

1168
01:08:42,580 --> 01:08:44,620
and to the police
a few days later.

1169
01:08:55,552 --> 01:08:59,512
I believe the most likely thing
that happened in this case

1170
01:08:59,556 --> 01:09:03,096
is that the child
accidentally drowned.

1171
01:09:03,143 --> 01:09:04,603
That's what I believe.

1172
01:09:07,147 --> 01:09:09,317
-Mr. Baez, you may proceed.

1173
01:09:11,735 --> 01:09:14,775
-Caylee Anthony died
on June 16, 2008,

1174
01:09:14,821 --> 01:09:18,161
when she drowned in her
family's swimming pool.

1175
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:19,619
Unfortunately, it's
far too common.

1176
01:09:19,659 --> 01:09:21,699
In fact, in the
state of Florida,

1177
01:09:21,745 --> 01:09:25,075
it is the number-one
way that children die,

1178
01:09:25,123 --> 01:09:28,923
is drowning in swimming pools.

1179
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,960
We hear about it every day.

1180
01:09:31,004 --> 01:09:34,474
We hear of a story on the news
or we'll see a little blurb

1181
01:09:34,507 --> 01:09:37,887
on the newspaper
about some poor child

1182
01:09:37,927 --> 01:09:41,177
who accidentally drowned in
the family swimming pool.

1183
01:09:41,222 --> 01:09:46,482
-A bombshell revelation from
Casey Anthony's lead attorney,

1184
01:09:46,519 --> 01:09:48,809
who now claims
2-year-old Caylee Anthony

1185
01:09:48,855 --> 01:09:53,565
drowned in her family's
swimming pool in June of 2008.

1186
01:09:53,610 --> 01:09:55,087
-You know, the defense
made the argument

1187
01:09:55,111 --> 01:09:57,741
that she drowned in a
pool, which is interesting,

1188
01:09:57,781 --> 01:09:59,871
because we gave her
that as an option.

1189
01:10:13,004 --> 01:10:15,344
But she was adamant
that that didn't occur.

1190
01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:20,390
Look, I'm not a psychologist,
but you're gonna tell me

1191
01:10:20,428 --> 01:10:23,308
that what really happened was,

1192
01:10:23,348 --> 01:10:25,518
after my child
drowned in the pool,

1193
01:10:25,558 --> 01:10:28,438
I stuck her in a laundry bag
and dumped her in the woods

1194
01:10:28,478 --> 01:10:30,518
and spent the next
month partying?

1195
01:10:32,857 --> 01:10:35,487
-There are too many scenarios
of what could have happened

1196
01:10:35,527 --> 01:10:37,947
but her drowning in
the pool is not one.

1197
01:10:37,987 --> 01:10:39,407
It's not possible.

1198
01:10:41,825 --> 01:10:44,405
In most scenarios, it
would be plausible.

1199
01:10:44,452 --> 01:10:45,622
Not in this one.

1200
01:10:45,662 --> 01:10:47,372
The ladder wasn't on the pool.

1201
01:10:47,414 --> 01:10:50,384
It's the only way in or
out for her or for me.

1202
01:10:50,417 --> 01:10:53,747
-So why let Jose Baez
and your defense team

1203
01:10:53,795 --> 01:10:55,955
make that argument
again and again?

1204
01:10:56,006 --> 01:10:57,926
-My mom was the first one
that floated the theory

1205
01:10:57,966 --> 01:10:59,485
that she could have
drowned in the pool.

1206
01:10:59,509 --> 01:11:01,049
He went with what my mom said.

1207
01:11:01,094 --> 01:11:04,064
He had to explain something.

1208
01:11:04,097 --> 01:11:07,597
You can't just tell the
jury, "She doesn't know."

1209
01:11:07,642 --> 01:11:10,902
-So what was your thought
on why she was wet?

1210
01:11:10,937 --> 01:11:15,687
-It's something I still
can't piece together.

1211
01:11:15,734 --> 01:11:17,444
I wasn't the only one home.

1212
01:11:17,485 --> 01:11:18,963
I'm not outright
accusing him of murder,

1213
01:11:18,987 --> 01:11:22,317
but it wasn't an
accident in the pool.

1214
01:11:29,831 --> 01:11:32,421
-I don't believe my
daughter could hurt anyone.

1215
01:11:32,459 --> 01:11:33,959
I really don't believe that.

1216
01:11:34,002 --> 01:11:35,342
-In this interview,

1217
01:11:35,378 --> 01:11:36,856
my father's telling the
truth of my innocence,

1218
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,090
that law enforcement
went after me.

1219
01:11:39,132 --> 01:11:41,552
But yet, he testified in
front of the grand jury

1220
01:11:41,593 --> 01:11:43,513
almost two months before this.

1221
01:11:43,553 --> 01:11:45,853
He was the state of Florida's
first witness against me.

1222
01:11:45,889 --> 01:11:47,658
-He's telling the media
that Casey's innocent,

1223
01:11:47,682 --> 01:11:48,951
but then he's
going to the police

1224
01:11:48,975 --> 01:11:50,515
and telling them
that Casey's guilty.

1225
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,940
This is something that
nobody ever noticed.

1226
01:11:52,979 --> 01:11:56,319
-George Anthony was the
first witness on the stand.

1227
01:11:56,358 --> 01:12:00,068
-George testified
a handful of times.

1228
01:12:00,111 --> 01:12:02,911
Why didn't the media
notice the differences?

1229
01:12:02,947 --> 01:12:05,447
-I'm sitting there staring
daggers at this man

1230
01:12:05,492 --> 01:12:07,122
'cause I'm one of
the only people

1231
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,620
who knows the truth
about who and what he is.

1232
01:12:09,662 --> 01:12:13,462
It took so long for me
to get to that point.

1233
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:16,130
It's like you have
Stockholm Syndrome.

1234
01:12:16,169 --> 01:12:17,629
Why didn't he call 911?

1235
01:12:17,671 --> 01:12:20,341
I wasn't the only
one that was home.

1236
01:12:20,382 --> 01:12:21,972
And why after all this time,

1237
01:12:22,008 --> 01:12:25,008
keep blaming me for
something I didn't do?

1238
01:12:27,389 --> 01:12:29,469
Why?