1 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,280 And the number one new artist is... 2 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,920 -And the award goes to... -The number one single of the year 3 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,320 Ace of Base! 4 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,520 We would release in Germany, we'd go number 1. Holland, number 1. 5 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,760 -France number one. -Nobody believed in us. 6 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,920 It's not international, or good enough. 7 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,880 Ulf Ekberg holds right wing extremist views. 8 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,200 A German woman went into my house and attacked me and my family. 9 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,040 This doesn't quite fit together. 10 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,280 My interest for everything was lost there. 11 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,680 The whole thing erupted. None of us were ready for that. 12 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,480 It's like a snowball, the snowball getting bigger the whole time. 13 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,880 Yes! 14 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,160 In April 1994 something happens 15 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,200 that would change everything for Ace of Base. 16 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,280 I remember I was going home to my parents. 17 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,680 I took the bus. 18 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:59,040 And when I stepped off the bus, I'm passing someone at the bus stop. 19 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,520 There was something that wasn't right. 20 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,400 But I couldn't put my finger on it. 21 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,480 That's why I felt the gut feeling, don't go into this normal door. 22 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,760 I went in the backside. 23 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:16,440 Then I went to sleep. 24 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:24,040 By the time I woke up, the TV was on. 25 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,920 Something was completely wrong. 26 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Someone was in the house 27 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,840 and put a knife to my throat. 28 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:35,640 "SHE PUT A KNIFE TO MY THROAT" 29 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,040 GERMAN SPEAKS OF ATTACK 30 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,720 A German woman went into my house and attacked me and my family. 31 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,240 My reptile brain started to speak some kind of German. 32 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,000 I said, "You don't need to". 33 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:58,120 The way her voice sounded petrified me. 34 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,120 She wasn't talking. 35 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,720 She was growling. 36 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,800 There was a knife to my throat and her firm hand on my hair. 37 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,160 I was led up where my parents slept. 38 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,360 There I lost it. I just screamed "knife". 39 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,320 But then my mother... 40 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,520 I heard a sound from her that I hadn't heard before. 41 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,040 That was the most holy roar I've ever heard. 42 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,480 And that sound would have scared anyone. 43 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,480 I was her little lion cub. 44 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,440 She was an angry lion. 45 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,400 Nobody was to touch her cub. 46 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,360 I can't remember clear. 47 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,680 I know that my father held her and then the police came and took her. 48 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,320 The attack was like a huge wound, 49 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,320 where all my spirit and all my life poured out. 50 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,880 God was the only person who could be very close to me, 51 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,320 without me being scared. 52 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,320 Because people scared me. 53 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,360 It left me as a torn and stained tablecloth and I said, 54 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,640 "God, clean it. Mend it, fix me. 55 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,400 You are the only one who can make me whole again, so please do that." 56 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:31,520 This was a reset, not being number 1 and top of the world, everything. 57 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,680 Just be Jenny. Who am I? What are my inner dreams? 58 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,160 What am I doing here? And why did this happen to me? 59 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,840 -What are the consequences? -A new address for me. 60 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,200 -Body guards? -They're here. 61 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,400 There are lots of body guards here. 62 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,280 It sort of changed the whole thing. 63 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,640 We've been an innocent pop band 64 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,760 and now we have mad fans doing this, 65 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:58,200 bringing into our private home. 66 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:01,640 Yeah, that was a defining moment in Ace of Base's history. 67 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,960 MTV VIDEO MUSIC AWARDS, BERLIN, GERMANY 68 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Yeah, we decided to keep on working, 69 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,520 but with bodyguards, with protection. 70 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,040 Martin, the Bulldog. 71 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,400 And Paul, the Maniac. 72 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,880 And this is Denis the Crazy. 73 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,520 -Denis the Rock Star. -Yeah. 74 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Travelling with security was completely new for us. 75 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,680 We went from travelling five to six people 76 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,960 to becoming ten to twelve, basically. 77 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,960 So it was a very strange time. 78 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,160 They were, you know, significantly famous around the world, I mean... 79 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,520 And heavily so particularly in Latin America. 80 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,920 I remember large crowds in Latin America, large crowds in Asia. 81 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:39,800 You just don't know how that sort of fandom will manifest itself. 82 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,040 I mean, it changed everything for us. 83 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,280 Made everything much more complicated. 84 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,760 It's not so innocent anymore. 85 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:52,920 We were stuck with each other. They had their job, I had mine. 86 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,840 I asked them, "How do I do my job?" 87 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,040 They said: "You have to tell me where you're going." 88 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,240 But I can't live like that. I just have to take off sometimes. 89 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Did we veto some things sometimes that people wanted to do? 90 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,360 "We're going to do this, we're going to do that." 91 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,840 And we'd go, "Maybe not". 92 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,680 It took a lot of the fun factor as well, of course. 93 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,600 Because suddenly we had a major threat. 94 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,040 So, Jonas Berggren, how do you feel... 95 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,800 What's it like being in Seoul? 96 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,440 I've got a bit of stage fright. 97 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,480 That doesn't happen very often. 98 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,800 It happens more and more. 99 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,760 Ace of Base are singing. 100 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,360 How did you deal with the pressure of success 101 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,360 as well as gear up for this album? 102 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,080 It affects your life when you're working a lot. 103 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,480 Hi, here we are in Hong Kong. 104 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,640 -Where are we now? -Melbourne. 105 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,760 Being a pop star you never know which day it is. 106 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,200 If it's a weekday or if it's a weekend. 107 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,920 Everything is work. So you lose track of which kind of day it was. 108 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,840 Are you incredibly rich now? 109 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Yes, we're bathing in money. 110 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,040 In one year, we have been travelling, seeing more things 111 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,280 than most of the people in the world see in their whole life. 112 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,160 I like that, it's fantastic. 113 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,320 Merci beaucoup. 114 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,920 So this was the shoe cleaning, Calvin Klein. 115 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,120 Very good. This is how the shoes look now. 116 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,760 Nice and shiny. Oh, they shine and shine. 117 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,960 This is the guy who made his shoes so shiny! 118 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,160 This is the guy who's getting himself ready for... 119 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,120 The World Music Awards. 120 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,240 I loved travelling around the world, meeting new people. 121 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,120 It was, for me, very natural. 122 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:36,320 But my band members did not appreciate it as much as I did. 123 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,960 So it was tougher for them, for sure. 124 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,040 We're now on the way to World Music Awards, 125 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,480 -ten years anniversary, 1998. -Okay. 126 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:50,920 In which I will present an award. 127 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,680 So the first time, obviously, we didn't win the award. 128 00:09:56,680 --> 00:10:01,720 I saw this as the opportunity of a lifetime, to just conquer the world. 129 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,480 And my band members were thinking about, 130 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:07,120 "When can we go home?" 131 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:16,240 I became a little more open and the Berggren family a bit more closed. 132 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,520 Because they didn't want the world to interfere in their lives, 133 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,960 because they had their integrity. 134 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,560 And it became more and more that the press wanted everything. 135 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,960 And they follow you. 136 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,640 The media attention became...quite tough. 137 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,080 So the fame definitely changed all of us. 138 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,240 I think my band members became more introvert 139 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,720 and I became actually more extrovert. 140 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,680 Some people are not born to be in this world. 141 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,440 l came from no money, and suddenly I have this amazing success 142 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,120 when you're 23 years old. 143 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,560 Have you got any speeding tickets today? 144 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,840 There we go. Into the tunnel. 145 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,320 I started to enjoy my life quite a bit. 146 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,120 More than the others in the band. 147 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,760 I started to buy houses, apartments in New York and London 148 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,680 and houses in Spain. And boats and cars and motorbikes. 149 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,920 I think I got used to living in 250 kilometres per hour. 150 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,280 Meeting Emma, she was already a star. A supermodel. 151 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,800 She understood me. 152 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:34,000 It's not easy to explain to people how you feel to be super famous. 153 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,360 Super couple, whatever they called us. 154 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,400 It was great. Some of the best times in my youth, for sure. 155 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,720 Maybe I should show where we are. 156 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,480 We are on the sea. 157 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,840 After the tremendous success of Ace of Base's debut album, 158 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,720 both record labels and fans eagerly await a sequel. 159 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,560 And this time, of course, the expectations are sky high. 160 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Let's look at the time... 161 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,960 Let's see what a good Breitling watch can tell us. 162 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,560 It's the twenty-first, right? 163 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,160 And we've been in the studio all night. 164 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,680 We need to go in again tomorrow morning. 165 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,200 The second album was partly chaotic to create. 166 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Everybody wanted to write the next big smash hit. 167 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,200 That put everybody in their studios, working on their own material 168 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,640 to become the next hit writer. 169 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,040 I wrote three songs on the album. 170 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,560 And actually, this is the studio where we're mixing all of them... 171 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,120 We produce them. 172 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:54,000 I think it's a good key to people's hearts to make positive music, 173 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,960 like pop music is, with catchy melodies. 174 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,640 They are really staying in your head like bubble gums. 175 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,880 The new thing is...Maybe you've heard that me and my sister 176 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,760 are writing songs for the first time. 177 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,320 I was attacked about one and a half year ago. 178 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:21,040 After that I...There just came a song in my head. 179 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,480 And that was the one that became Ravine. 180 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,600 The song Ravine is a metaphor. 181 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:44,360 It is about flowers who can't grow if not the sun is there. 182 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,000 I was like a flower that has to be replanted if we can't see the sun. 183 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,400 I was replanted as well. 184 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,160 The girls forced the situation, they demanded 185 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,600 that they should have as many songs as I had on the album. 186 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:12,360 Since the boys took the whole first album, 187 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,520 it was natural that we wanted in on the second, of course. 188 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,320 This is what the fans want, they want to know us. 189 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,920 They want to hear me and my sister do music. 190 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,960 We suddenly ended up in a competition 191 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,360 on who should have what song. 192 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,000 It was a very complicated album to do. 193 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,960 They weren't like a unit. 194 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,520 It was four different band members and you can see on the front cover. 195 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,400 It's four individual photos. 196 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,360 Because we couldn't have them all four at the same time, 197 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,080 where they approved one photo with all four of them, 198 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,480 so it was a solution like, then we will have to go with this. 199 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,800 I think my brother had a very difficult time, 200 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,920 because he was stuck between his sisters and the business. 201 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Because the business wanted Jonas to write everything. 202 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,720 Suddenly we had 25 songs on the table instead of 8 songs. 203 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,080 And everybody of course thought their song was the best. 204 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,440 So my brother said, "Okay, they get three songs each". 205 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,240 Release party The Bridge, Stockholm, Sweden 206 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,840 Can I just ask why you're so late today? 207 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,720 We had some stuff to do before coming here. 208 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,120 What will you play? 209 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,000 We're starting with a folk song. 210 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,920 And then Lucky Love of course. 211 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,360 What do you mean by a folk song? 212 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,640 A folk song. You'll see. It will be a surprise. 213 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,840 What's it like compared to your first release party? 214 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,720 Is there more pressure now? 215 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,000 We've done our best. The music comes from our hearts. 216 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,360 It's all pretty natural, what's happening now. 217 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,120 We've done what we think is right. 218 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,800 No reason to be nervous about something you couldn't do better. 219 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,920 -Good luck. -Thanks. 220 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,240 Welcome, Ace of Base. 221 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,480 Denniz Pop, how do you feel about this kind of release party? 222 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,280 It's a good feeling. Let's see what happens next. 223 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,560 How many of the songs are yours? 224 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,760 -Four. -Four? What about the rest? 225 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,200 How long do you think they'll stay together? 226 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,240 They're leading separate lives a bit. 227 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:19,480 With all groups, people will do solo stuff in between. 228 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,280 Then they get back together. 229 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:23,720 It's very hard to tell what will happen. 230 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,480 I think somebody is likely to do a solo record. 231 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,200 -Who's good enough for that? -I don't know. 232 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,000 -I'm speculating. -Great, thanks. 233 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,600 It was special to see Ace of Base on Swedish soil as global superstars. 234 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,600 But this evening was also coloured by rumours and speculation 235 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,600 that the band members were pulling in different directions. 236 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,920 And around the corner awaited once again months, perhaps years, 237 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,600 of travelling between different countries, 238 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,600 talking about a new album on radio stations and TV shows. 239 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,080 They needed a break, but couldn't stop 240 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,480 because the whole world wanted Ace of Base. 241 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,960 That is a problem with success. 242 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,040 Then people want more of you. 243 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:45,320 And if you don't have that to give, then things start to go wrong. 244 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,920 And that's in my opinion what happened. 245 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,000 They were just basically tired of each other. 246 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,920 We tried to say that. This is not going to happen, we can't do this. 247 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,640 And they said, "You have to". 248 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,840 Maybe there's another way out of this. 249 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,480 And I called my father, who's an X-ray doctor 250 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,640 and I said, "How do I break my leg? 251 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,560 Because we need a break". 252 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,520 We already had a problem. 253 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,520 The pressure was very high 254 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480 and Malin wasn't comfortable being in the band. 255 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,320 It was not a good combination. 256 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,280 They didn't really like to be recognised, especially Malin. 257 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,600 So she was very much in the background. 258 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,200 She also wanted to get dressed more 259 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,560 so you couldn't recognise her figure if you saw her around. 260 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,840 Linn sort of... I think she had enough. 261 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,240 I think she sort of started pulling back. 262 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,880 You could see it happening. 263 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,400 That she didn't really want to be a part of it. 264 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,360 For Malin it was very important that she was called Linn, 265 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,040 'cause that was her artist name. 266 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:56,920 Malin was her private name. 267 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,360 -Could Malin Berggren... -Linn. 268 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,520 The fact that Malin was afraid of flying 269 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,560 made it all much more difficult for her with the touring life. 270 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,920 It wasn't until the third album, Flowers and Cruel Summer 271 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,440 that I noticed what was happening. I think that's when the world noticed. 272 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,280 Linn was blurred out on the cover. 273 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:19,680 She was in a separate photo that they popped in behind the band. 274 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,680 And she was a favourite amongst many fans. 275 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,720 And they handled it terribly, because they didn't give fans credit 276 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,400 for having brains to pick up what's going on. 277 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,240 And it made it a whole lot worse than it had to be, I think. 278 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,400 And I had to take a step forward and that was super scary. 279 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960 Ulf is filming my building. 280 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:54,320 The prettiest skyscraper in town. Yeah, yeah. 281 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,720 We're singing all of Malin's songs. I don't know them. 282 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,880 I've made a documentary. 283 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,160 It's the first time the three of us are performing a song on TV. 284 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,920 It was the three of us once in Gothenburg. 285 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,200 We played once in Gothenburg when Malin didn't want to join in. 286 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,120 Two weeks after you and I broke up. 287 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,320 -Or however long it was. -I don't remember. 288 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,000 It was the three of us performing. 289 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,560 -Malin didn't want to join in then. -There, there. 290 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:54,640 I saw a Jenny I'd never seen before when she took the step to the front. 291 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,760 She was incredibly strong. She did so well. 292 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,720 People still talk about Malin the most. They want to see Linn. 293 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,680 How can that feel to Jenny? 294 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,600 Jenny is doing it. Linn didn't want to be there. 295 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,680 If Jenny didn't take the reigns, we wouldn't have Ace of Base. 296 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,640 Emma, are you ready to go? 297 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,280 Sure. 298 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:43,880 -That's good. -Yeah? 299 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Okay, here we go. 300 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,280 I remember the first time I heard the song. 301 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,760 I thought this could be as big as anything else that we had done. 302 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,160 It had the potential of being a really huge hit. 303 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,640 They didn't sell so much CDs any more. 304 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,320 The technique made so you could burn your own CD, 305 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,960 so the bootlegs were all over the place. 306 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,760 The record companies were worried and anxious. 307 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,520 The system was breaking down. And we were in the middle of it. 308 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,600 The third album is a contrast to the reality, right. 309 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,200 We had to show a strong facade out, 310 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,200 but the band was not there anymore. 311 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,520 I see myself there, but I see only half of me. 312 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,240 Because my other half is Linn. 313 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,200 This was our success. 314 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,320 And when I had to do them alone, I felt like I was her warrior. 315 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,680 I was her shield. 316 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,680 And I know that she saw how I struggled, 317 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,320 how much I fought my inner demons each time I went out. 318 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,520 I had to finish the contracts, 319 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,160 or me and Linn would be sued for our assets. 320 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,760 I said to myself, "You just do this for your girl now". 321 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,560 And she's my girl. 322 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,120 I'll continue with this pleasure event. 323 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,960 We are here. We can see Poland. 324 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,520 And here we have this supervisor tower. 325 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,000 -Cool. -How does it feel? 326 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,680 My position in life... 327 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:38,080 Jonas lying down, speaking on the phone with his mysterious handset. 328 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,200 -With my account, actually. -Account? 329 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,240 It's a very nice wagon. 330 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,720 Here we go...See here. 331 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,400 Who's in here? Jenny? How are you doing? 332 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,480 -Alright. -Are you sunbathing? 333 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:05,560 Amazing trip actually. 334 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,680 Well, let's go to another wagon and see what's happening there. 335 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,080 -Bye-bye. -Good night. 336 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,960 In August, 1998, a legendary music producer 337 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,600 Dag, Denniz Pop, Volle passes away, only 35 years old. 338 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,720 Perhaps it's from here on that the magic of Ace of Base starts to fade. 339 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,400 The fourth album, you can see like now maybe there's an end of this. 340 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,720 We were still living on extra time. 341 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Every minute more that people would actually enjoy our music 342 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,360 was just an extra bonus. 343 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,480 We just did it, because to do it. 344 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,960 There was no joy whatsoever in the fourth album. 345 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,520 AFTER THE RELEASE OF THEIR FOURTH ALBUM, DA CAPO, 346 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,040 I think Jonas and I felt that when we did our comeback tour in 2007, 347 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,920 that there was something missing. 348 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,040 We thought we sounded like a bad cover band of ourselves. 349 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,760 The secret source of the band is actually that we have two girls 350 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,600 that have two very different voices, singing together. 351 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,240 So we wanted to have a fourth member in the band. 352 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,320 And Jenny didn't agree on that. 353 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,880 I said that I will not replace her. 354 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,640 Maybe we should call Linn and ask her if she wants to be replaced. 355 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,120 I said to Jonas and Ulf, "Just call her". 356 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,520 And they never called her. They didn't. 357 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,840 It was definitely a lot of tensions for a long time. 358 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,600 It's a very sensitive topic, of course. 359 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,640 They called me into an office. "You're in the hot chair now, Jenny. 360 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,040 Either you're in or out." 361 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,640 But I don't want to replace her. I'm not going to replace her. 362 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,760 When it's Ace of Base it should be the four of us. 363 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,280 Me, Jonas, Ulf and Linn, we're Ace of Base. 364 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,720 We wanted to her to be in the band, but we wanted a fourth member. 365 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,840 Nobody can ever replace her. 366 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,880 Not by my side, not in my heart. 367 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,960 Why did they not listen? 368 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,840 Hi, everyone! We're in Stockholm, freezing cold, just in TV4. 369 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,600 For a full crowd, a show here in Sweden. 370 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,720 -And play guitar. -And sing... 371 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,840 Golden Ratio. 372 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,640 You have to check it out. We're going to put... 373 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,840 a link on the Facebook site. 374 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,160 I think maybe next time we see you is in Mexico. 375 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,880 Water for Life. See you then. 11 December. 376 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920 I remember hearing that they were coming back, and we were all like, 377 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,400 "Oh, that's interesting." But then it was two different women. 378 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,280 And we wanted the same faces and the same voices, really importantly. 379 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,240 Both of those sisters have such distinct voices. 380 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,640 I was feeling kind of left out. 381 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,920 And I asked God, "What am I supposed to think of this? 382 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,480 What am I supposed to think of them? 383 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,800 Because I feel replaced and I feel deceived." 384 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,480 And then I got like a clear voice, like nothing else was existing, 385 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,000 "You should love them." And I said, "That I can do". 386 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,600 I think it was a really poor choice to call that Ace of Base, 387 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,480 because it wasn't Ace of Base. 388 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,280 You can't take away both of the lead singers and call it the same thing. 389 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,120 Looking at all that has happened, 390 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,320 you have to keep in mind that me and Linn never quit Ace of Base. 391 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,760 This was not a decision that we had. 392 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,520 We keep thinking that we're Ace of Base, all four of us. 393 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,520 Sometimes, there's other forces splitting up the band, 394 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,240 like managers, record companies or media. 395 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,880 But here I think we completely created that split ourselves. 396 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,880 The school example of what you want to do if you want to destroy a band. 397 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,840 Ace of Base has never received proper recognition in Sweden. 398 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,480 One might think that Sweden's third largest pop export ever 399 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,600 would have a natural place in the Swedish Music Hall of Fame. 400 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,680 But Ace of Base has never won the favour of critics. 401 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,960 However, they achieved something greater. 402 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,840 They created timeless songs that conquered the entire world. 403 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,320 I'm a lot on the road still, almost as much when I had the band. 404 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280 I travel 150 to 200 days a year. 405 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,120 I have businesses in Asia and the US and South America. 406 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,360 I'm very much into the tech industry 407 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,960 and I'm still working with music on computers. 408 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,040 I go to the Amazon at least four times a year. 409 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,120 I have a lot of communication with local communities 410 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,480 and the indigenous people down there. 411 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,160 I want to make a change. 412 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840 We have left a legacy through the music, 413 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,680 but I'd like to leave a legacy of doing some good as well. 414 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,520 For me, I came out of a complete nightmare of my life. 415 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,560 I found the meaning of life and I found a family, which I didn't have. 416 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,280 I created something that I love to work with, my passion. 417 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,200 I had the honour and privilege to work with people I loved, 418 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,840 even though it was not without tensions, for sure. 419 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120 Every day I have new challenges 420 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,160 and I take them on like I did with Ace of Base. 421 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,600 For me that gives me energy every morning when I wake up. 422 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,280 It's very exciting. 423 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,840 There is this seriously damaged side that has been whole. 424 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,880 There is one part of me that has been weak. 425 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,280 It has become strong. 426 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,800 That's good. 427 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,200 And it became stronger and stronger. 428 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,600 The more I did things, the more I put myself on the line, 429 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,080 the stronger I became. 430 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,200 Whether it's working on new songs with Jonas 431 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,080 or performing the big hits on stage, I'm full of power. 432 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,120 I have developed so much from the little girl I was when I was 19 433 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,520 till when I was now a mother of two and a full-grown vocalist. 434 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,120 It's so interesting that it's me, of all, 435 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640 that is still standing. 436 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,440 I reflect on it a lot. 437 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,960 I miss them each time I go up, so that's the truth. 438 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,520 Because we are us. 439 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,200 And we should be four, but it's only me. 440 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,120 You're one-hit wonders and then you're out. 441 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,080 Or you do it for a lifetime. 442 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,840 And I'm the lifetime girl. 443 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,040 Well, we have a prize-giving today from the record company, 444 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,520 Playground and Warner. 445 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,200 It's going to be fantastic to meet 446 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,320 whoever is going to be on this little gathering. 447 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,560 Some of my band members will be there. 448 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,840 I haven't seen Jenny and Jonas together for the past 15 years, 449 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,440 so it's a big moment. 450 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,720 I've been missing them a lot. I've been thinking about them a lot. 451 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,080 I'm very excited. 452 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,200 -Hi, how's it going? -Welcome. 453 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,640 This is very nice. We used to stay here in the nineties. 454 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,360 -Really at Diplomat? -Yeah. 455 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,200 Hi there. Long time no see. Shit. You alright? 456 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,840 -Yeah, great. -Hi. 457 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,880 Hello. Long time no see. 458 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,360 How are you? This is cool. 459 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,400 -Do you recognise this? -I do. 460 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,080 -Didn't we both have one? -Yes, in 1994. 461 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,840 -I can fit into it again. -Incredible. 462 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,480 You look great. Big and strong. 463 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,280 So where's your sister? Is she... 464 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,680 -She's putting on makeup. -Thanks. 465 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,840 This is amazing. I didn't expect you to come to Stockholm. 466 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,000 So nice. Will you stay for a few days or what's the plan? 467 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,200 We're heading back tomorrow. I'm working. 468 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,600 Okay. 469 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,240 Just a quick stop and then back again. 470 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,680 You'll have to enjoy this beautiful evening in Stockholm. 471 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520 -Everything's terrific. -Great. 472 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,560 Come on. Don't be shy. 473 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,520 I thought you siblings were having a little hug. 474 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,640 So...Here we are. 475 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,920 Shall we take a photo then, if somebody has a camera? 476 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,880 -Let's just socialise. -Will get a picture later. 477 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480 Is this how you socialise, standing like this? 478 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,320 I always stand like this when I socialise. 479 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,120 I tend to have my kids around. 480 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,360 Today it's the bigger boys. 481 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,200 Big brother then. Ulf was the little brother. 482 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,120 -I have quite a tall son. -I like it. 483 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,600 -Little brother. -Yes. 484 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,040 In Sweden a gold record is equivalent to 4 million streams. 485 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,920 I've handed out loads of those. 486 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,160 But I've never handed over a gold record for 4 billion streams before. 487 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,320 That's your position in the world now. Incredible. 488 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,320 -Wow. -Amazing. 489 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,040 -Jonas. -Thank you. 490 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,360 I've been in contact with Jonas Berggren several times 491 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,720 while working on this documentary. 492 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,560 He has declined an interview, 493 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,320 but he never really closed the door on participating in some other way. 494 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,200 And when he suddenly appears on our very last day of filming, 495 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,080 it somehow feels typical for a band 496 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,880 that has always been full of surprises. 497 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680 But what about Malin Berggren? 498 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:33,080 Linn has a desire not to be in the spotlight and limelight anymore. 499 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,320 So I wouldn't even start to talk about where she is right now. 500 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,240 There is a lot of love between me and my sister. 501 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,840 I honoured my sister by saying that my sister is not here right now. 502 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,440 I'm her shield, to keep her out of the eye. 503 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,400 Because she doesn't want to be in the eye. 504 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,000 And to our great surprise, Malin has written a letter 505 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,360 that she wants Jenny to read. 506 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,440 It may not answer all our questions, 507 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160 but it's the first time in over 20 years 508 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,280 that Malin has talked about Ace of Base at all. 509 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,960 For my sister to read: 510 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,520 To Ulf: You wanted light. God bless you. 511 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,920 Jenny, my co-pilot and master of struggling, 512 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,880 had got the best voice ever. 513 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,320 Listen to her chorus in Memories Forever. 514 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,400 It is so wonderful. 515 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,680 And to my hardworking brother Jonas: 516 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,760 He also has the best voice ever. 517 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,440 Listen to the beginning of Happy Nation. 518 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,760 He has always been the sweetest, most protecting and caring 519 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,400 big brother me and Jenny could have had. 520 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,480 He has always struggled and fought for our sake 521 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,040 from the very beginning. 522 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,080 He has worked in the best interest of those involved with Ace of Base. 523 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,280 They both make me so proud. 524 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,760 To my beautiful, kind family of singing philosophers: 525 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,920 Keep singing, life goes on. 526 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000 Jonas, keep making melodies 527 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,240 that change our hurting world into a better place. 528 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,440 We were all of our joy. 529 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,000 Nobody in Ace of Base has forced me to sing. 530 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,440 To all of you out there who have loved the music: 531 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,120 Thank you. 532 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,480 Joy and strength. Linn. 533 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,680 They were not one-hit or two-hit wonders. 534 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,720 When you get three in a row, you know, 535 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,200 you're helping define the pop sound of the 1990s. 536 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,240 I think, in terms of songs, those were the generational songs. 537 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,600 Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, Katie Perry. 538 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,560 That all gets its roots in Ace of Base. 539 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,120 I mean, it opened every door for Sweden as a music nation. 540 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,720 There was a world before Ace of Base and a world after Ace of Base. 541 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,160 How many years is it now? 542 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,160 -30 years. -30 years? 543 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,360 And we're talking about it like it was yesterday. 544 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,040 That's not a song, that's a cultural phenomenon, for sure. 545 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,120 Subtitles: Anna Townend plint.com