1 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:19,144 So these became the infamous 2 00:00:19,228 --> 00:00:22,731 John Andreadis Antichrist tapes. 3 00:00:22,814 --> 00:00:26,652 I've not heard these tapes 4 00:00:26,735 --> 00:00:31,114 since we did it, which was 1987. 5 00:00:31,198 --> 00:00:34,284 For many years, I looked trying to find them. 6 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:38,080 What's on these tapes, I'm sure, is kind of horrific. 7 00:00:38,163 --> 00:00:39,081 Should I hit play? 8 00:00:39,164 --> 00:00:40,165 Yeah. 9 00:00:44,461 --> 00:00:45,587 What follows on these cassettes 10 00:00:45,671 --> 00:00:47,756 are discussions among the members of the Eternal Values 11 00:00:47,839 --> 00:00:48,757 of the recent events. 12 00:00:48,882 --> 00:00:49,800 That's me. 13 00:00:52,803 --> 00:00:54,721 We all made a vow in this lifetime 14 00:00:54,805 --> 00:00:56,557 to carry out a destiny of service. 15 00:00:56,974 --> 00:00:57,808 But apparently, 16 00:00:58,225 --> 00:01:00,102 John Andreadis had other plans in mind, 17 00:01:00,185 --> 00:01:01,853 which have been exposed by recent events. 18 00:01:01,937 --> 00:01:03,772 To pursue a selfish end in light of such 19 00:01:03,855 --> 00:01:05,607 a vow would be the greatest betrayal. 20 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:08,193 Oh, this I remember. 21 00:01:08,277 --> 00:01:10,445 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. 22 00:01:10,529 --> 00:01:11,655 I'm Frederick Von Mierers 23 00:01:11,738 --> 00:01:13,991 with Eternal co-host John Andreadis. 24 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:15,951 John Andreadis, at some point, 25 00:01:16,033 --> 00:01:18,245 was going to be this incarnation of God, 26 00:01:18,328 --> 00:01:20,247 this divine entity on Earth. 27 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:22,332 And Frederick's position was, 28 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:25,335 I'm here to train him to take on that mantle. 29 00:01:25,419 --> 00:01:26,587 John. 30 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:28,130 But then he fell in love. 31 00:01:28,213 --> 00:01:31,800 Imagine a young boy, very idealistic and romantic, 32 00:01:31,883 --> 00:01:33,594 meets a beautiful young girl. 33 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:36,054 [Eternal Values Member] Okay, so what happened from square one? 34 00:01:36,138 --> 00:01:38,432 Jacki Adams--a top young model, wealthy and successful, 35 00:01:38,515 --> 00:01:39,933 arrived four months ago. 36 00:01:40,475 --> 00:01:42,060 John's told her that he was in love with her, 37 00:01:42,144 --> 00:01:43,937 and that the personal love he felt for her, 38 00:01:44,021 --> 00:01:45,479 their personal relationship, 39 00:01:45,564 --> 00:01:48,483 was something that all the Deans needed, and that he and she 40 00:01:48,567 --> 00:01:50,360 were going to be the new example for all of us. 41 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:52,237 Maybe one of the sickest things I've ever heard. 42 00:01:52,321 --> 00:01:54,698 "one of the sickest things I've ever heard." 43 00:01:54,781 --> 00:01:58,118 A personal, love, romantic relationship. 44 00:01:58,201 --> 00:01:59,745 "One of the sickest things I've ever heard." 45 00:01:59,828 --> 00:02:03,957 That's--that's the EV mindset right there. 46 00:02:04,374 --> 00:02:06,376 He told her that the two of them would be 47 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:08,169 the royal couple of the New Age. 48 00:02:08,669 --> 00:02:10,213 In other words Frederick said, "Do you know what that means? 49 00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:11,840 That means he doesn't love me 50 00:02:12,257 --> 00:02:14,426 because he went out the door and chose Jacki." 51 00:02:30,108 --> 00:02:33,779 Getting to know all about you. 52 00:02:33,862 --> 00:02:36,323 Hi, I'm Jacki Adams. 53 00:02:36,406 --> 00:02:37,491 And... 54 00:02:37,908 --> 00:02:39,534 You are a model with Ford... 55 00:02:39,618 --> 00:02:42,704 Yes, don't hold that against me, please. 56 00:02:42,788 --> 00:02:47,751 For me, everything good had happened when I left home. 57 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:48,918 And where I came from, actually, 58 00:02:49,002 --> 00:02:51,088 is the real South. 59 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:54,466 My father died when I was eight, in Vietnam. 60 00:02:54,549 --> 00:02:59,513 And my mother, she had some mental illness. 61 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:02,641 I was living on my own at 15. 62 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:04,643 I was working at McDonald's. 63 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:07,562 I was working in babysitting. 64 00:03:07,646 --> 00:03:11,858 But I added another job in a photo studio. 65 00:03:11,942 --> 00:03:14,611 One time, a model couldn't make it, 66 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:17,322 so they decided, hey, let's dress up Jacki. 67 00:03:19,241 --> 00:03:22,285 I had been very insecure about how I looked, 68 00:03:22,369 --> 00:03:25,454 but this photographer took my picture into Eileen Ford 69 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:27,916 and said, "This is Jacki Adams." 70 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:29,876 Before I knew it, she was interviewing me 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,171 on a news program as her latest find. 72 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:37,591 Jacki Adams came to New York 73 00:03:37,676 --> 00:03:41,221 and became one of my top, top girls. 74 00:03:41,304 --> 00:03:45,434 She was one of my big, big moneymakers. 75 00:03:45,517 --> 00:03:48,145 She was riding high. 76 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,230 This was my moment. 77 00:03:50,313 --> 00:03:53,150 But it's kind of a blur. 78 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:57,529 I mean, it was a very surface, artificial world 79 00:03:57,612 --> 00:04:00,198 that I inhabited, where it was about how you looked, 80 00:04:00,282 --> 00:04:03,326 what parties you went to. 81 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:06,830 So here I am, the height of my career. 82 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:09,624 But I was asking myself over and over, 83 00:04:09,708 --> 00:04:11,960 what is the meaning of all this? 84 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:13,587 I don't like to see myself. 85 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:15,005 I get too critical. 86 00:04:15,088 --> 00:04:17,257 I turned to books to try to find meaning. 87 00:04:17,339 --> 00:04:18,300 "Food and Healing." 88 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,511 And I happened to stumble upon a new age book 89 00:04:21,595 --> 00:04:23,722 called "Aliens Among Us." 90 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:29,186 I read about Frederick Von Mierers and his friends. 91 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:32,355 They had this sense of urgency about important stuff 92 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:34,441 like life, like your soul. 93 00:04:34,524 --> 00:04:37,194 I was like, yes, yes, that's so much better 94 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:38,528 than worrying about what shade of lipstick 95 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:40,906 goes with the Chanel jacket. 96 00:04:40,989 --> 00:04:42,783 You know, the modeling business is 97 00:04:42,866 --> 00:04:45,368 actually very small, and you kind of know each other. 98 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:47,788 Jacki was always someone that was very professional. 99 00:04:47,871 --> 00:04:49,080 She was always, you know, kind. 100 00:04:49,164 --> 00:04:50,665 People know me in the business, 101 00:04:50,749 --> 00:04:52,000 but I'm not really that well known 102 00:04:52,082 --> 00:04:53,794 outside of the business, which I prefer. 103 00:04:53,877 --> 00:04:56,171 You know, I do my job and enjoy it. 104 00:04:56,254 --> 00:05:00,550 Hoyt was the poster child for the Eternal Values. 105 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:02,552 They were serious professionals. 106 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:05,138 They thought about things in a different way. 107 00:05:05,222 --> 00:05:08,141 And they were interested in the spiritual life. 108 00:05:09,601 --> 00:05:12,562 And that was really compelling to me. 109 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:15,482 Maybe there's something to it. 110 00:05:15,565 --> 00:05:16,525 I'm curious. 111 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:18,068 I wanted to find out. 112 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:21,988 So I contacted them for an astrology reading. 113 00:05:22,072 --> 00:05:25,909 And from there, I was just swept into the circle 114 00:05:25,992 --> 00:05:28,245 that was Eternal Values. 115 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:34,084 It might be a very good idea 116 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:36,419 that we all introduce ourselves to each other. 117 00:05:36,503 --> 00:05:38,880 Hi, I'm Jacki Adams, and I'm model. 118 00:05:38,964 --> 00:05:40,173 I arrived... 119 00:05:40,257 --> 00:05:41,174 So we're all ready? 120 00:05:41,258 --> 00:05:44,094 And the first person to really talk to me 121 00:05:44,177 --> 00:05:45,971 was John Andreadis. 122 00:05:46,054 --> 00:05:47,180 With me tonight, and of course, 123 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:49,224 you all know John Andreadis. 124 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:50,475 John. John. 125 00:05:50,558 --> 00:05:52,686 John. John, take us away. 126 00:05:52,769 --> 00:05:54,145 How do you do? 127 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:55,730 First, we'd like to discuss the importance 128 00:05:55,814 --> 00:05:57,399 of the youth of America. 129 00:05:57,482 --> 00:06:00,318 John was Frederick's principal student. 130 00:06:00,402 --> 00:06:03,488 John was 16 years old when Frederick met him 131 00:06:03,572 --> 00:06:05,907 at the Quest Bookshop on East 53rd, 132 00:06:05,991 --> 00:06:08,994 which was a Theosophical bookstore. 133 00:06:09,077 --> 00:06:11,246 Frederick saw John come in, and he said, 134 00:06:11,329 --> 00:06:13,081 "You're the one I've been waiting for." 135 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:18,211 They began to talk and develop the relationship. 136 00:06:18,295 --> 00:06:20,422 And then John started to look at Frederick 137 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:23,174 as someone that he could learn stuff from. 138 00:06:23,258 --> 00:06:26,970 And Frederick looked at him as this incredible student, 139 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:29,890 because he had read a ton of books 140 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:32,851 in metaphysics and religion. 141 00:06:32,933 --> 00:06:34,769 When John and Jacki met, 142 00:06:34,853 --> 00:06:36,605 he spent a lot of time with her, 143 00:06:36,688 --> 00:06:40,025 one-on-one talking about her astrological chart. 144 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:43,320 And I'd never seen him do that with anyone else so overtly, 145 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:46,656 where he really kind of focused in on them. 146 00:06:46,740 --> 00:06:49,326 I remember, he thought our charts 147 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:51,202 were like twin flames. 148 00:06:51,286 --> 00:06:54,331 There's a spark that flashes in each other's eyes, 149 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:56,750 and then there's a magic that is kindled as the fire of love 150 00:06:56,832 --> 00:06:58,418 begins to grow between them. 151 00:06:58,501 --> 00:07:03,173 John told me that we were meant to be together. 152 00:07:03,256 --> 00:07:09,304 At the time, I believed that a system of tracking the stars 153 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:12,557 could make sense of my existence. 154 00:07:12,641 --> 00:07:15,518 I actually knew that Jacki was engaged to this guy, 155 00:07:15,602 --> 00:07:17,145 another model that I knew. 156 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:18,980 Four days after she had first met John, 157 00:07:19,064 --> 00:07:21,191 she's dropping the bomb on this guy and telling him to hit the road-- 158 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:22,317 so of course he freaks out. 159 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,652 Wow. 160 00:07:23,735 --> 00:07:24,903 Four days later. 161 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:26,446 And the boy will buy her flowers. 162 00:07:26,529 --> 00:07:27,614 And all of a sudden, his life has changed. 163 00:07:27,697 --> 00:07:28,698 He skips down the street. 164 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:29,908 There's all these incredible things 165 00:07:29,991 --> 00:07:31,952 just because of this force of love. 166 00:07:32,034 --> 00:07:33,995 I mean, it sounds really grandiose, 167 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,790 but I was young and impressionable, 168 00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:42,545 and here were other misfits who didn't fit in anywhere. 169 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:47,092 They're smart, they're kind, and they're going to help me. 170 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:50,512 I thought that I was becoming part of a family, 171 00:07:50,595 --> 00:07:55,683 a healthy family, you know, a supportive family. 172 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:57,519 The relationship between John and Jacki 173 00:07:57,602 --> 00:07:58,937 blindsided everybody. 174 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:00,230 Frederick said to John, "Listen. 175 00:08:00,313 --> 00:08:02,816 You two can have a brother-sister relationship 176 00:08:02,899 --> 00:08:05,235 of love and support, just like we have amongst all the Deans. 177 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:06,778 That's all that's necessary." 178 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:08,822 And with Frederick, 179 00:08:08,905 --> 00:08:12,617 their relationship really became a source of conflict. 180 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:16,788 John. 181 00:08:16,871 --> 00:08:18,123 If you meet someone that you love, 182 00:08:18,206 --> 00:08:20,041 that can be an expression of the highest truth 183 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:22,544 on the particular level, and that is fine. 184 00:08:22,627 --> 00:08:24,045 I think he realized that 185 00:08:24,129 --> 00:08:26,006 the Eternal Values was no longer 186 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:27,841 the most important thing to John. 187 00:08:27,924 --> 00:08:29,884 And I could see there was jealousy 188 00:08:29,968 --> 00:08:31,469 and some resentment building. 189 00:08:31,553 --> 00:08:33,554 The dark and evil forces that are perpetuating 190 00:08:33,638 --> 00:08:36,599 the idea of soulmates, 191 00:08:36,683 --> 00:08:40,227 they are the absolute instrument 192 00:08:40,311 --> 00:08:44,649 of the most diabolical and most evil forces in this world. 193 00:08:44,733 --> 00:08:46,818 When I became involved in the group, 194 00:08:46,901 --> 00:08:50,113 it was really easy for them 195 00:08:50,196 --> 00:08:55,243 to find something for me to feel inferior about. 196 00:08:55,326 --> 00:09:01,124 I was very insecure because I hadn't gone to university. 197 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:06,129 I was insecure because I was successful 198 00:09:06,212 --> 00:09:09,382 based largely on the way I looked. 199 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:11,676 Frederick confronted Jacki. 200 00:09:12,135 --> 00:09:13,386 Frederick turned to her and said, "Look, 201 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:15,555 I think you are full of shit." 202 00:09:15,847 --> 00:09:18,641 And she started to cry and he said, "Your tears don't touch me." 203 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:23,063 Frederick said that there was a deficiency going on, 204 00:09:23,146 --> 00:09:25,482 that I--I needed help. 205 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:28,151 And it would always be followed up with, 206 00:09:28,234 --> 00:09:30,195 "What are you willing to give up 207 00:09:30,278 --> 00:09:34,324 for something that means more than anything on this Earth?" 208 00:09:34,407 --> 00:09:37,535 I was like, "Everything." 209 00:09:37,619 --> 00:09:39,621 Everything. 210 00:09:40,955 --> 00:09:44,084 There was the apartment that Frederick asked me 211 00:09:44,167 --> 00:09:45,877 to sign a lease for in the building, 212 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,213 where John and I lived. 213 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:49,964 And Frederick said 214 00:09:50,048 --> 00:09:53,093 all the furniture had to be custom. 215 00:09:53,176 --> 00:09:56,346 But the other thing is that Frederick was very serious 216 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:59,265 about these gem prescriptions. 217 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:01,434 The geometrical forms of the atoms, 218 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:03,937 vibrations, octaves, frequencies, gems. 219 00:10:04,854 --> 00:10:07,565 Frederick would look at your astrology star chart, 220 00:10:07,649 --> 00:10:09,651 identify where your weaknesses were, 221 00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:10,860 where your strengths were. 222 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:12,070 You're lost. 223 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:13,822 You're deficient in the violet ray. 224 00:10:13,905 --> 00:10:16,324 Then he would make a gem prescription. 225 00:10:16,407 --> 00:10:18,868 In this life, it's very important that you have a sapphire. 226 00:10:19,285 --> 00:10:20,870 So yeah, a gemstone, 227 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:26,543 if that can make me bearable, that's a small price to pay. 228 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:30,713 My prescription, it was about $80,000. 229 00:10:30,797 --> 00:10:32,549 And the money wasn't making me happy, 230 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:35,927 so I absolutely went and got 231 00:10:36,010 --> 00:10:38,263 that cashier's check for gemstones. 232 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:41,182 And then the next one, and then the next one. 233 00:10:41,266 --> 00:10:44,352 It was amazing how much spirituality cost. 234 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:48,148 These gems are the fairy tales of this dimension. 235 00:10:48,231 --> 00:10:49,774 I mean these are our dreams. 236 00:10:49,858 --> 00:10:51,276 We all want the gems. 237 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:53,194 You know, Frederick said, "Never take them off 238 00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:56,072 unless you have to," so I would wear them on set. 239 00:10:57,282 --> 00:10:58,283 We worked together. 240 00:10:58,366 --> 00:11:00,994 And he had all these funky sort of-- 241 00:11:01,077 --> 00:11:02,745 they looked like costume jewelry, 242 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:04,205 rings on his hands. 243 00:11:04,289 --> 00:11:05,790 And I asked him about them 244 00:11:05,874 --> 00:11:07,375 just to get him to talk about it, 245 00:11:07,458 --> 00:11:08,835 and he kind of went off in a language 246 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:13,131 that I had no idea of what he was talking about. 247 00:11:14,716 --> 00:11:17,719 And it became a badge of honor 248 00:11:17,802 --> 00:11:20,930 to be able to afford to get such a thing. 249 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:23,641 You really treated these things like holy, divine 250 00:11:23,725 --> 00:11:26,227 kind of, you know, lightsabers, 251 00:11:26,311 --> 00:11:28,146 as Frederick said that these gems 252 00:11:28,229 --> 00:11:32,817 would help protect you through these troubled times ahead. 253 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:36,029 The droughts, the famine, the wars. 254 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:39,032 Frederick had a prophecy, and he had to warn the world. 255 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:41,492 There was going to be this horrible cataclysm coming. 256 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:44,078 The planet was going to be wiped out. 257 00:11:44,162 --> 00:11:46,289 The Earth will tilt on its axis. 258 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:48,958 This pole shift will take place in 1999, 259 00:11:49,042 --> 00:11:50,668 and humanity will be decimated. 260 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:54,130 The pole shift was going to be 261 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:57,383 that the magnetic axis of the Earth would shift. 262 00:11:59,594 --> 00:12:02,222 The magnetic poles will shift, 263 00:12:02,305 --> 00:12:04,015 like, within six hours. 264 00:12:04,098 --> 00:12:06,434 Enough to cause cataclysmic storms, 265 00:12:06,517 --> 00:12:08,853 earthquakes, tsunamis. 266 00:12:08,937 --> 00:12:11,522 And all the present continents that exist 267 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:13,483 will be submerged beneath the water. 268 00:12:17,153 --> 00:12:18,696 Frederick believed that 269 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:21,032 there were certain parts of the United States 270 00:12:21,115 --> 00:12:24,661 that would survive the Earth changes. 271 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:27,247 Frederick found that the Smoky Mountain region was 272 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:29,290 far enough away from the oceans, 273 00:12:29,374 --> 00:12:32,001 and it wasn't going to be affected. 274 00:12:32,085 --> 00:12:34,087 So that's when we started to make trips 275 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:35,713 down to North Carolina. 276 00:12:39,801 --> 00:12:41,261 The first time we went down there, 277 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:45,556 we saw this property on this lake called Lake Lure. 278 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,725 And I remember Freddie looking up at it and going, 279 00:12:47,809 --> 00:12:49,394 "Oh, yes, this would be a perfect spot 280 00:12:49,477 --> 00:12:51,396 to build the platforms where the spaceships will land." 281 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:55,441 After the pole shift, 282 00:12:55,525 --> 00:12:58,903 the aliens are going to take us into their craft. 283 00:12:58,987 --> 00:13:00,905 These space beings, first, this planet, 284 00:13:00,989 --> 00:13:02,365 according to the Hindu scriptures, 285 00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:06,119 13,200 BC in a flying saucer. 286 00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:07,996 We were going to be lifted out... 287 00:13:08,663 --> 00:13:12,500 Many UFOs have been spotted during the past 35 years. 288 00:13:12,583 --> 00:13:14,752 And put into the rejuvenation chambers. 289 00:13:16,713 --> 00:13:18,256 And we would stay with them until things 290 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:20,174 settled back down on Planet Earth, 291 00:13:20,258 --> 00:13:23,636 at which point they would drop us back down, 292 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,348 and we would lead in the new age. 293 00:13:27,432 --> 00:13:29,684 Those that believe will be saved because 294 00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:31,686 they will be the future of the world, 295 00:13:31,769 --> 00:13:33,604 what will be left of the world. 296 00:13:33,688 --> 00:13:34,897 There was always this sense that 297 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:36,816 these are the people that you're going to be with 298 00:13:36,899 --> 00:13:39,819 after everything is destroyed. 299 00:13:41,112 --> 00:13:42,947 Frederick told us we were going to literally be 300 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:45,658 the bastions of the new age. 301 00:13:45,742 --> 00:13:47,577 And he said, one day, they'll have 302 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,705 statues of us in the future. 303 00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:54,542 So we bought the property, 304 00:13:54,625 --> 00:13:57,545 and we would all go back and forth between New York 305 00:13:57,628 --> 00:14:01,799 and North Carolina to set up a compound down there, 306 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:03,551 where we could be ready for 307 00:14:03,634 --> 00:14:05,345 when the space people would arrive. 308 00:14:09,098 --> 00:14:11,934 I remember when we first got the property, 309 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:13,603 Freddie was down on the dock, 310 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:17,482 and he's down there completely nude. 311 00:14:18,983 --> 00:14:24,030 This is a small town in North Carolina. 312 00:14:24,113 --> 00:14:26,491 Homeboy's down on the dock naked. 313 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:29,827 Understandably, most of the visitors 314 00:14:29,911 --> 00:14:31,120 to the Lake Lure area 315 00:14:31,204 --> 00:14:34,207 come for the natural beauty and spectacular scenery. 316 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:38,044 In a little bitty town like Lake Lure, 317 00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:41,214 the rumor mill is full of all kinds of things. 318 00:14:41,297 --> 00:14:43,174 The Eternal Values folks, 319 00:14:43,257 --> 00:14:45,551 they wanted to keep a low profile, 320 00:14:45,635 --> 00:14:48,513 but they weren't very good at it. 321 00:14:48,596 --> 00:14:51,099 I mean, you've got these extremely beautiful people 322 00:14:51,182 --> 00:14:52,767 coming into this little bitty town, 323 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:55,561 and they stick out like a sore thumb, 324 00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:58,606 especially when they take a rustic mansion of a house 325 00:14:58,689 --> 00:15:01,317 and turn it into a pink palace. 326 00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:05,488 It was like a 6,000 square foot version of For End. 327 00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:07,990 We had pink marble floors. 328 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:11,577 It was going to become this grand palace for Frederick. 329 00:15:13,037 --> 00:15:17,583 I'm sure everybody had binoculars and cameras on us. 330 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:20,044 You would hear rumors. 331 00:15:20,128 --> 00:15:23,673 I remember a little talk about, I think, 332 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:28,177 some visitors from another world coming here 333 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:32,348 and meeting up with some of their members. 334 00:15:32,432 --> 00:15:35,726 And the local people did not like that. 335 00:15:37,728 --> 00:15:41,315 I remember John invited me to come to the lake house. 336 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:42,608 That was a big deal. 337 00:15:42,692 --> 00:15:43,776 It was really cool. 338 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:46,028 And I was--I was so excited. 339 00:15:46,112 --> 00:15:47,822 You know, I thought it would be 340 00:15:47,905 --> 00:15:50,908 a nice retreat with the group. 341 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:53,494 We really have to go into what happened in North Carolina. 342 00:15:53,578 --> 00:15:56,789 Because John Andreadis laid a snow job on all of us about Jacki. 343 00:15:56,873 --> 00:15:57,915 But they could be your best friend. 344 00:15:57,999 --> 00:15:59,417 They could be your worst nightmare. 345 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,252 It could change. 346 00:16:01,335 --> 00:16:02,920 They call you names. 347 00:16:03,004 --> 00:16:06,507 They disparage your character. 348 00:16:06,591 --> 00:16:09,677 They insult your intellect. 349 00:16:10,303 --> 00:16:13,598 John and Jacki, in North Carolina, they almost, you know, 350 00:16:13,681 --> 00:16:14,640 jumped in the sack. 351 00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:15,475 He went through the whole 352 00:16:15,558 --> 00:16:16,976 then, "Oh that's not the purpose of our relationship." 353 00:16:17,059 --> 00:16:18,769 I mean for me, from that point on, I thought that was-- 354 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:19,896 That was written off. 355 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,689 Back then, most of the members 356 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:24,108 were kind of living a very celibate life. 357 00:16:24,192 --> 00:16:26,444 [Russ] I was with Frederick when he confronted John. 358 00:16:26,527 --> 00:16:27,987 He said, "John, you've slept with her, haven't you?" 359 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:29,614 And John said, "Yes." 360 00:16:29,697 --> 00:16:30,907 Frederick, of course, knew. 361 00:16:30,990 --> 00:16:32,909 Frederick knows everyone to their core. 362 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:34,368 And that's where the root of it all began. 363 00:16:34,452 --> 00:16:35,786 It's just like Frederick said, "He traded... 364 00:16:36,245 --> 00:16:37,205 this work for flesh." 365 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,208 At first, their relationship 366 00:16:40,290 --> 00:16:41,959 seemed like almost an infatuation, 367 00:16:42,043 --> 00:16:45,129 but it really expanded into this full blown love affair. 368 00:16:45,213 --> 00:16:47,465 And John and Jacki got to the point 369 00:16:47,548 --> 00:16:51,093 where they really wanted to actually get married. 370 00:16:51,177 --> 00:16:53,179 At the time, I thought, 371 00:16:53,262 --> 00:16:55,223 I care about this person, 372 00:16:55,306 --> 00:16:58,100 so if this is my spiritual journey, 373 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,353 then here I am getting married. 374 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:05,650 It was a very small ceremony in the apartment. 375 00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:09,362 No one was there except Eternal Values people. 376 00:17:09,444 --> 00:17:12,906 I was, like, kind of shocked by it. 377 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:14,742 Holy shit, he's getting married. 378 00:17:14,825 --> 00:17:17,453 How's that working out? 379 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:19,997 "Romantic love was the downfall of mankind," 380 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,251 that's something that Frederick said repeatedly. 381 00:17:23,334 --> 00:17:25,169 You know, that would be completely selfish. 382 00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:28,130 That was just against everything we stood for. 383 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:31,634 If celibacy was the thing 384 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:34,554 that was going to prepare us for this end game 385 00:17:34,637 --> 00:17:38,724 of the pole shift and us being leaders of the new age, then-- 386 00:17:38,808 --> 00:17:40,309 then, all right, man. 387 00:17:40,393 --> 00:17:42,186 But I wanted to have sex. 388 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:45,147 I mean, you're in your 20s. 389 00:17:46,983 --> 00:17:49,235 There was a shift at one point 390 00:17:49,318 --> 00:17:50,778 because that pent up sexual energy 391 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:52,613 started to become problematic. 392 00:17:52,697 --> 00:17:54,240 Frederick just got fed up with it and said, 393 00:17:54,323 --> 00:17:57,285 "OK, you're all impossible. 394 00:17:57,368 --> 00:18:01,163 "Listen, you know, rather than get involved with other people, 395 00:18:01,247 --> 00:18:03,082 you should just all do it with each other." 396 00:18:03,165 --> 00:18:04,959 Don't be attached to your body. 397 00:18:05,042 --> 00:18:06,460 It's just a body. 398 00:18:06,544 --> 00:18:08,045 You've got urges. 399 00:18:08,129 --> 00:18:11,424 Just get it out and realize none of it matters. 400 00:18:11,507 --> 00:18:14,635 And just go through this transition, 401 00:18:14,719 --> 00:18:16,262 and you'll get back to the other side, 402 00:18:16,345 --> 00:18:17,888 where you can be celibate again. 403 00:18:17,972 --> 00:18:19,098 On the first night out 404 00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:21,058 with this gentleman that you like so much, 405 00:18:21,142 --> 00:18:22,852 blow his mind, if you know what I mean. 406 00:18:24,395 --> 00:18:27,440 Suddenly, everybody needed to be sexual. 407 00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:29,692 There's another host of ladies of all being 408 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:31,360 initiated into the beyond. 409 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:33,321 Models galore. 410 00:18:33,404 --> 00:18:35,698 When I was away on some of my model shoots, 411 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:38,242 I was able to kind of have these occasional 412 00:18:38,326 --> 00:18:39,910 trysts with, you know, ladies. 413 00:18:39,994 --> 00:18:41,454 This is part of the glamorous moments, 414 00:18:41,537 --> 00:18:43,164 having your pants ripped off by a woman. 415 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,958 But I would come back and share those experiences, 416 00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:48,294 and it was kind of welcomed. 417 00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:49,629 Do everything in moderation 418 00:18:49,712 --> 00:18:51,380 and have a great time and have a blast. 419 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,507 You should visualize yourself as a little bumblebee 420 00:18:53,591 --> 00:18:58,429 going to all the flowers of the experiences in existence. 421 00:18:58,512 --> 00:19:01,265 When it shifted from the celibate nature, 422 00:19:01,349 --> 00:19:02,642 did things go south? 423 00:19:02,725 --> 00:19:05,353 Yeah, I think things went south. 424 00:19:05,436 --> 00:19:08,397 And it's very sad. 425 00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:14,570 I was working for Frederick full-time. 426 00:19:14,654 --> 00:19:17,823 I was his personal assistant 24/7, 427 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:20,409 shielding Frederick from problems 428 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:23,412 and filtering who came in and out. 429 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:26,248 Back then, Frederick claimed to be asexual, 430 00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,292 that he was beyond all of that. 431 00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:31,337 He had talked about some of his past conquests, 432 00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:33,214 you know, with certain guys, 433 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:35,049 and that was part of his evolution. 434 00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:38,678 But once he had had this kind of Walk-In experience 435 00:19:38,761 --> 00:19:41,305 that--you know, and he put that to the side, 436 00:19:41,389 --> 00:19:43,349 and he was now committing himself to God, 437 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:46,060 and this work that he was doing. 438 00:19:46,143 --> 00:19:47,687 But these men would come by, 439 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:49,522 and Frederick would take them in the back room, 440 00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:51,440 and usually he might do like a kind of lifelike 441 00:19:51,524 --> 00:19:52,608 reading with them. 442 00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:54,318 And then he would come out, and say, "Oh, Lord, H, 443 00:19:54,402 --> 00:19:56,070 "this person, he's having such trouble. 444 00:19:56,153 --> 00:19:57,405 "His wife, his kids. 445 00:19:57,488 --> 00:19:59,115 Will you help him out?" 446 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:00,908 And I'd just like, peel off 100 bucks 447 00:20:00,991 --> 00:20:02,076 and give it to the guy, 448 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:04,704 having no idea that I was paying for 449 00:20:04,787 --> 00:20:07,707 what just happened in the back room. 450 00:20:07,790 --> 00:20:08,916 Frederick does what he does. 451 00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:11,752 I escort them out down the basement, 452 00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:14,714 out through 55th Street, so the 54th Street side doorman 453 00:20:14,797 --> 00:20:17,258 didn't know Frederick was having a hustler about 454 00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:19,093 three or four times a week. 455 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:22,513 Frederick, I'm, like, walking around with him 456 00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:23,931 in Times Square. 457 00:20:24,014 --> 00:20:26,642 It was like we were on a hunt. 458 00:20:26,726 --> 00:20:29,353 He would say, "Dear, we're on a special mission 459 00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:31,856 to find the biggest dicks in the universe." 460 00:20:31,939 --> 00:20:34,400 And he would call them the "dicks of death." 461 00:20:34,483 --> 00:20:37,361 Frederick just thought this was hilarious. 462 00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:41,323 But it's not funny at all, in retrospect. 463 00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:43,617 Psychic Hindu astrology knight Frederick Von Mierers. 464 00:20:43,701 --> 00:20:45,244 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 465 00:20:45,327 --> 00:20:47,163 I want to ask Frederick about some predictions 466 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,039 he had made a very long time ago. 467 00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:51,876 This terrible AIDS epidemic. 468 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:53,252 You had made that prediction years ago. 469 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:54,837 Three years ago. 470 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,088 Oh, I was going to say it's got to be 471 00:20:56,172 --> 00:20:57,757 two, maybe three years ago. 472 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,133 Many people have written 473 00:20:59,216 --> 00:21:02,136 to the Eternal Values about AIDS. 474 00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:05,848 AIDS is an ancient disease from the foundation of the Earth 475 00:21:05,931 --> 00:21:09,560 and has been brought back by the evil thoughts of humanity. 476 00:21:09,643 --> 00:21:11,437 It's mysterious, it's deadly, 477 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,356 and it's baffling medical science. 478 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,027 Once thought to affect only promiscuous homosexual males, 479 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:20,863 AIDS is now spreading in epidemic proportions 480 00:21:20,946 --> 00:21:23,657 to other segments of the population. 481 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:28,078 Frederick became boundaryless. 482 00:21:28,162 --> 00:21:30,831 I started getting more and more uncomfortable, 483 00:21:30,915 --> 00:21:33,042 what was being asked of me, 484 00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:36,629 what was being expected from me and others. 485 00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:39,131 Frederick had said sex was supposed to be 486 00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:42,092 an act of freedom, and actually it became 487 00:21:42,176 --> 00:21:46,722 more of a repression, you know, a pressure. 488 00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:49,433 That's the way it closed in on me. 489 00:21:51,393 --> 00:21:56,982 But I got away before the worst of it happened. 490 00:22:02,905 --> 00:22:05,491 It was terrifying during the time of AIDS, 491 00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:09,036 having various encounters. 492 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,040 Sexual energy is God himself living in you as you. 493 00:22:13,123 --> 00:22:15,167 I didn't have any sex with him 494 00:22:15,251 --> 00:22:17,962 or anybody with him, but-- 495 00:22:18,045 --> 00:22:20,798 but he did, like, tutor. 496 00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:22,007 Paul. 497 00:22:22,091 --> 00:22:24,426 Walter Russell was entirely self-educated. 498 00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:27,263 For John, his whole adult life 499 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:30,558 had been this group. 500 00:22:30,641 --> 00:22:35,437 But I think he was realizing that something was wrong here. 501 00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:36,897 When you suffer more, 502 00:22:36,981 --> 00:22:38,774 you take on the burden of the world. 503 00:22:38,858 --> 00:22:41,277 When the burden of the world gets heavier and heavier, 504 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,862 you begin to break underneath it, 505 00:22:42,945 --> 00:22:45,030 and then you begin to scream out for help. 506 00:22:45,114 --> 00:22:49,118 I believe that John, as a young man, 507 00:22:49,201 --> 00:22:53,372 was completely earnest in his desire to help 508 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:57,042 and to do good things for other people. 509 00:22:57,126 --> 00:23:02,715 So he protected me and kept me a little insulated 510 00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:06,010 from some of the more disturbing things 511 00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:07,511 that were going on. 512 00:23:10,139 --> 00:23:13,934 Frederick was demanding people in the group have 513 00:23:14,018 --> 00:23:16,812 these sexual encounters with one another 514 00:23:16,896 --> 00:23:20,274 or with strangers that would come in. 515 00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:23,611 You'd have to fuck them or they would fuck you, 516 00:23:23,694 --> 00:23:26,071 whatever Frederick had in his head. 517 00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:31,076 A lot of these women I consider like sisters, 518 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,454 and it actually felt, like, incestuous to me, 519 00:23:33,537 --> 00:23:34,788 as awful as that sounds. 520 00:23:34,872 --> 00:23:36,332 And I was not comfortable. 521 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:40,169 And it was always framed, whether by Frederick 522 00:23:40,252 --> 00:23:43,047 or by even some of the others in their group, 523 00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:45,507 that it was just because I was repressed. 524 00:23:45,591 --> 00:23:48,594 I just couldn't be free and not be attached 525 00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,096 and just see it for what it was. 526 00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:54,308 It was just sex, and that's all it is. 527 00:23:54,391 --> 00:23:56,060 And that was just a smattering of what 528 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:57,561 I think others went through 529 00:23:57,645 --> 00:23:58,938 on a much more consistent basis, 530 00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:00,731 because I wasn't around all the time. 531 00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:02,858 Frederick said, "Unless you're free enough 532 00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:06,028 "to go on Fifth Avenue and sit on a dildo 533 00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:08,572 "and not care about what other people think about you, 534 00:24:08,656 --> 00:24:10,449 then you're not truly free." 535 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:13,285 You know, the basic tenet was non-attachment. 536 00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:15,079 And don't be self-conscious. 537 00:24:15,162 --> 00:24:19,166 Don't worry about what other people think of you. 538 00:24:19,249 --> 00:24:21,710 In retrospect, the whole dynamics of the group 539 00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:23,879 was based on Frederick's belief 540 00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:25,839 that everyone wanted to be like him. 541 00:24:25,923 --> 00:24:28,550 And if you weren't able to manifest certain behavior 542 00:24:28,634 --> 00:24:30,761 that was like him, then you were somehow lesser than 543 00:24:30,844 --> 00:24:34,223 or oppressed or there was something wrong with you. 544 00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:35,641 Frederick would encourage us 545 00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:40,145 to pursue these sensational experiences. 546 00:24:40,229 --> 00:24:43,399 I'm talking about using drugs. 547 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:45,693 Maybe a little bit too much of the ecstasy, 548 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:48,862 and then you can do things that you never thought about 549 00:24:48,946 --> 00:24:51,782 or never even wanted to know about. 550 00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:53,909 Now, you're doing it because you're just 551 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,662 kind of eased into it, and then you're-- 552 00:24:56,745 --> 00:24:58,580 it's too late to say no. 553 00:25:00,624 --> 00:25:04,086 To infringe on someone's right of self-determination 554 00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:09,675 is satanically evil and total psychological manipulation, 555 00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:13,178 from your erection to your resurrection. 556 00:25:13,262 --> 00:25:15,472 Ah, fuck. 557 00:25:15,556 --> 00:25:17,057 I don't even know how to put it, man. 558 00:25:17,141 --> 00:25:23,105 It just fucking breaks my heart. 559 00:25:23,188 --> 00:25:24,606 I don't think I'll ever be at peace 560 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:26,442 with any of what happened. 561 00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,485 Whether I was there or not, I heard the stories. 562 00:25:28,569 --> 00:25:33,407 And the fact that I didn't stop it 563 00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:34,908 or make a stand in some way, 564 00:25:34,992 --> 00:25:38,746 it's one of the great regrets I still hold. 565 00:25:38,829 --> 00:25:45,169 And I just wish 566 00:25:45,252 --> 00:25:47,129 I'd handled it differently. 567 00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:58,348 The only thing that is real is what happens here. 568 00:25:58,432 --> 00:26:00,142 What happens in these apartments. 569 00:26:00,225 --> 00:26:02,352 These people working humbly, 570 00:26:02,436 --> 00:26:03,562 and serving each other. 571 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,064 And that's the only thing that means anything. 572 00:26:06,315 --> 00:26:10,110 John was doing all of the astrology readings. 573 00:26:10,194 --> 00:26:13,280 He was kind of the workhorse for Frederick. 574 00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:14,990 You know, we had a two- or three-year waiting list 575 00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:17,326 to do life readings. 576 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:20,496 You paid $350 per tape. 577 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:23,499 We had orders flowing in. 578 00:26:23,582 --> 00:26:26,001 John just couldn't do all the work 579 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,629 that Frederick was asking him to do. 580 00:26:28,712 --> 00:26:30,923 And Frederick could get really angry. 581 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:34,051 Look at you, you cannot even finish your work. 582 00:26:34,343 --> 00:26:37,137 It was demanded of me to lock John in a room 583 00:26:37,221 --> 00:26:39,807 and not to give him any food or water or anything 584 00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:44,144 until he produced a certain number of astrology readings. 585 00:26:44,228 --> 00:26:48,232 But I couldn't do that to this sweet, young man. 586 00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,901 It was all OK when it was happening to me. 587 00:26:50,984 --> 00:26:54,488 It was not OK if I was going to do it to someone else. 588 00:26:54,571 --> 00:26:56,740 That was what woke me up. 589 00:26:56,824 --> 00:27:00,702 I was finally realizing that this is abusive. 590 00:27:00,786 --> 00:27:07,084 And it quickly became apparent that we needed to leave. 591 00:27:08,961 --> 00:27:11,046 As the John and Jacki relationship 592 00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:14,216 became more intensified, there became whispers 593 00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:16,677 and talks within the ranks of, 594 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,178 what are we going to do to stop this? 595 00:27:18,262 --> 00:27:20,472 How do we expose this 596 00:27:20,556 --> 00:27:23,684 and hopefully bring it to an end? 597 00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:25,310 We did know that there was going to be 598 00:27:25,394 --> 00:27:27,229 a seminar coming up where he was supposed to be 599 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,606 one of the main speakers with Frederick. 600 00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:33,026 And so there became this plan to use that opportunity 601 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:36,738 to expose John, hoping that it might end the relationship 602 00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:38,574 and bring him back to his senses. 603 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:45,164 And I would say about 40, 50 people showed up. 604 00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:49,376 And, you know, John starts trying to explain that 605 00:27:49,459 --> 00:27:52,212 everything is not what it seems with this group 606 00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:53,839 and definitely not with Frederick. 607 00:27:53,922 --> 00:27:56,133 Frederick called him out in front of all the people. 608 00:27:56,216 --> 00:27:58,677 And these are innocent bystanders. 609 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,013 He has, like, tears in his eyes, 610 00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:02,723 "John, please! 611 00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:04,850 Think of the people, John." 612 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:06,935 He is here for humanity. 613 00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:10,522 Not to sort out marital problems in a personal relationship. 614 00:28:10,898 --> 00:28:13,442 They started to attack. 615 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:17,446 It was just this whole avalanche of hate. 616 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:18,947 Absolute hate. 617 00:28:19,031 --> 00:28:24,244 It's time that we all stop this monster that is growing. 618 00:28:24,328 --> 00:28:26,747 Ultimately, there was a confrontation 619 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:28,498 that happened back in For End. 620 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:30,709 And so John comes back down here, 621 00:28:30,792 --> 00:28:32,252 and Frederick flies in the door, 622 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:35,047 and he goes up to John A. and he starts... 623 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:36,715 smashing him across the face. 624 00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:40,177 And we're condoning that. 625 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:41,553 "You fucking liar." 626 00:28:41,637 --> 00:28:43,889 "You come in here and start creating dissension." 627 00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:46,266 "And I'm going to smash the shit out of you." 628 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:47,684 And John A. just resisted, 629 00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:49,269 "Look what you're doing to my face, Frederick." 630 00:28:49,353 --> 00:28:50,270 "Don't hit me, Frederick." 631 00:28:50,354 --> 00:28:51,980 "Don't hit me." 632 00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:53,982 How did it end exactly? 633 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:55,692 He said, "Just get out of here." 634 00:28:55,776 --> 00:28:56,818 He said, "This is a holy place." 635 00:28:56,902 --> 00:28:57,486 "Just get out of here." 636 00:28:57,569 --> 00:28:58,737 "Go back to your wife." 637 00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:00,155 "Your wife is a witch." 638 00:29:00,948 --> 00:29:05,535 It felt very empowering to confront Frederick. 639 00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:10,082 But when we left, I was still invested 640 00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:13,877 in the belief that he had powers-- 641 00:29:13,961 --> 00:29:16,463 supernatural powers. 642 00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:18,882 We were programmed to think 643 00:29:18,966 --> 00:29:21,343 they could do whatever they wanted to us. 644 00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:23,720 It was like, what's around the corner of that building? 645 00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:25,722 You know, are they-- are they looking? 646 00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:26,723 Are they here? 647 00:29:26,807 --> 00:29:27,808 Are they listening? 648 00:29:27,891 --> 00:29:29,059 Do they have my apartment bugged? 649 00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:31,353 'Cause remember, they had access to everything. 650 00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:36,817 It was completely exposed-feeling. 651 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:39,653 I love John Andreadis. 652 00:29:39,945 --> 00:29:41,989 But if I never see John Andreadis ever again, 653 00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:43,115 it means nothing to me. 654 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,033 And if anyone reads the book, it states clearly 655 00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:46,326 that I'm the Walk-In with the knowledge 656 00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:47,369 and he is the... 657 00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:48,453 the student. 658 00:29:48,537 --> 00:29:49,746 Who has now gotten married. 659 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:51,039 Which is a disaster. 660 00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:55,168 John and Jacki had just gotten lost. 661 00:29:55,252 --> 00:29:58,338 So Frederick said right now, we had to kind of 662 00:29:58,422 --> 00:29:59,631 build spiritual warriors that were going 663 00:29:59,715 --> 00:30:01,883 to take on this battle that was coming. 664 00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:06,221 And it is a battle of the dark and diabolical forces 665 00:30:06,305 --> 00:30:08,181 to take control of men's minds. 666 00:30:08,265 --> 00:30:10,726 They were now part of those outer forces 667 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,436 that were trying to destroy the good things 668 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:13,687 that are here on Earth, 669 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:15,439 like the work that we were doing. 670 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:17,399 And so we came to this conclusion 671 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:21,028 that if John's betraying us, John must be the Antichrist. 672 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:24,865 John wants power. This is Satan. 673 00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:26,158 Let me tell you something, John. 674 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:28,952 Your holy roller trip has always made me sick. 675 00:30:29,411 --> 00:30:32,039 You fucking Catholic Hindu little piece of shit. 676 00:30:32,581 --> 00:30:34,875 This tape was sent to any and everyone 677 00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:36,251 Frederick could think of. 678 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:37,794 We were characterized 679 00:30:37,878 --> 00:30:41,506 as these terrible, evil people. 680 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:44,926 John is so overcome by egomaniacal desires for power 681 00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:47,429 which means he's going to have to be destroyed. 682 00:30:48,305 --> 00:30:51,600 It was absolutely frightening. 683 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:54,728 We're all spiritual family, brothers and sisters. 684 00:30:54,811 --> 00:30:58,690 But if you leave the group, we will crush you. 685 00:30:58,774 --> 00:31:00,150 Listen, we all love Frederick 686 00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:01,360 and we are loyal to him 687 00:31:01,443 --> 00:31:02,944 completely. 688 00:31:03,987 --> 00:31:06,114 It's like pure, blind faith, right? 689 00:31:06,198 --> 00:31:08,116 Blind faith. 690 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,744 We all know how dangerous that is. 691 00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:12,913 Would we have all taken a bullet for Frederick? 692 00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:14,623 I think at that point, yeah. 693 00:31:16,917 --> 00:31:20,170 I hate to admit that about myself, 694 00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:21,755 but I think I probably would have. 695 00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:29,388 After John and Jacki left, 696 00:31:29,471 --> 00:31:32,682 our group was kind of going through a transition. 697 00:31:32,766 --> 00:31:35,352 And there was a television show called "People Are Talking" 698 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:38,939 with this guy Richard Bey. 699 00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:40,357 Good morning. 700 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,942 Thanks for joining me today on "People Are Talking." 701 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:43,276 I'm Richard Bey. 702 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,863 Somehow, they got ahold of the story around Frederick 703 00:31:46,947 --> 00:31:48,448 and this group he was involved with. 704 00:31:48,532 --> 00:31:51,368 And they reached out to him to say, 705 00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:52,911 "We'd love to interview you 706 00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:55,038 and kind of find out what you're doing." 707 00:31:55,122 --> 00:31:58,333 And--and Frederick thought, oh, this is fantastic. 708 00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:02,087 There is an idea that most people have 709 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:03,630 that we are not alone in this universe, 710 00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:05,340 that there are other life forms present 711 00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:06,800 throughout the galaxies. 712 00:32:06,883 --> 00:32:09,678 Frederick Von Mierers is known as a Walk-In. 713 00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:12,764 But because John was now absent, 714 00:32:12,848 --> 00:32:15,559 I had to be there side-by-side with Freddie. 715 00:32:15,642 --> 00:32:17,811 And that was terrifying to me. 716 00:32:17,894 --> 00:32:19,646 Frederick, what is a Walk-In? 717 00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:21,106 What does that mean? 718 00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,733 We're not here to talk about sensationalism. 719 00:32:23,817 --> 00:32:24,818 The fundamental-- 720 00:32:24,901 --> 00:32:26,445 Wait, one second. 721 00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:28,738 Frederick, you claim you're from another planet, right? 722 00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:30,240 I'm explaining it to you. 723 00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:31,950 I know, but is that--can you answer that question? 724 00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:33,577 Do you claim that you are from Arcturus? 725 00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:34,911 I said I am a Walk-In, yes, 726 00:32:34,995 --> 00:32:36,121 and I did come from Arcturus. 727 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:37,122 All right. 728 00:32:37,205 --> 00:32:39,624 What was your physical form on Arcturus? 729 00:32:39,708 --> 00:32:43,044 Hydrogen light body. 730 00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:45,172 And I just didn't consider myself 731 00:32:45,255 --> 00:32:47,632 to be the best representative 732 00:32:47,716 --> 00:32:50,385 of what Eternal Values was supposed to be. 733 00:32:50,469 --> 00:32:52,762 I mean, I just was absolutely horrified 734 00:32:52,846 --> 00:32:55,724 that I could just somehow put my foot in my mouth. 735 00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:57,476 But yeah, there's no way 736 00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:58,894 I was going to turn down Freddie. 737 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:01,313 I first met Frederick when I was about 16 738 00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:02,564 on the beach in Nantucket. 739 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:03,815 Is it fair to say that 740 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:05,317 you are an extraterrestrial or an ET, 741 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,735 as much as you are an earthling? 742 00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:07,903 I think it's very important 743 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:09,404 that we don't get into this whole idea that 744 00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:11,573 the whole extraterrestrials, very sensationalist. 745 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:13,700 What we're trying to say is that when-- 746 00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:15,452 Not sensationalist. You say it as a fact. 747 00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:16,995 - Can you understand-- - Who are you? 748 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:18,288 Who am I? 749 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:19,831 Richard Bey, born in Far Rockaway, Queens. 750 00:33:19,915 --> 00:33:20,832 What is Richard Bey? 751 00:33:20,916 --> 00:33:22,792 July 22, 1951. 752 00:33:22,876 --> 00:33:24,211 2:08 in the morning. 753 00:33:24,294 --> 00:33:26,505 What is Richard Bey? 754 00:33:26,588 --> 00:33:29,132 All the ideas that you just presented to this audience-- 755 00:33:29,216 --> 00:33:30,133 How far back-- 756 00:33:30,217 --> 00:33:31,259 Please do not interrupt me. 757 00:33:31,343 --> 00:33:32,511 Oh, thank you. 758 00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:33,929 Do all the ideas-- 759 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,514 You may have a talk show on Arcturus, 760 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:37,516 but you don't have one in Secaucus. 761 00:33:38,934 --> 00:33:40,435 Now, what we didn't prepare for 762 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:42,354 was that this was kind of a setup. 763 00:33:42,437 --> 00:33:43,855 You want to know what I really think? 764 00:33:43,939 --> 00:33:46,233 I think you found some young, impressionable people 765 00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:49,903 who are on a quest for spiritual moral values. 766 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,405 This is all fine. 767 00:33:52,489 --> 00:33:54,282 We'll be right back in just a moment. 768 00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:56,284 I'm back there, and I'm watching everything go on. 769 00:33:56,368 --> 00:33:58,245 And they were loaded for bear. 770 00:33:58,328 --> 00:33:59,663 They were, like, really clear. 771 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:00,872 This guy's a whack job. 772 00:34:00,956 --> 00:34:02,082 It's a cult. 773 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:03,750 Is it just a coincidence that all of you 774 00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:05,835 are, like, gorgeous people? 775 00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:08,838 Is there any reason why you are chosen? 776 00:34:08,922 --> 00:34:10,257 No one is chosen, so to speak. 777 00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:12,717 Everybody makes the choice themself. 778 00:34:12,801 --> 00:34:15,053 Do you believe as well that you are from another planet? 779 00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:16,513 - Absolutely. - You do? 780 00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:18,014 I'll tell you, if they look like you on this planet, 781 00:34:18,098 --> 00:34:19,724 I'm going to buy a ticket right now. 782 00:34:20,934 --> 00:34:22,393 Everything about it went wrong. 783 00:34:22,476 --> 00:34:24,062 How do your parents react to this? 784 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,438 Our father is God, 785 00:34:25,522 --> 00:34:28,358 and our mother is Mother Nature. 786 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,360 They had planted born-again Christians 787 00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:31,444 in the audience. 788 00:34:31,527 --> 00:34:33,487 Everything that's been discussed today is heresy. 789 00:34:33,572 --> 00:34:34,489 Amen! 790 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:36,366 People that were ready to just throw arrows. 791 00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:38,368 Crime and the perversion that's going on 792 00:34:38,451 --> 00:34:39,452 in New York City! 793 00:34:39,536 --> 00:34:41,079 - Do you? - Do you have an answer? 794 00:34:41,161 --> 00:34:42,914 It was clear that people in the audience 795 00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:45,958 had no real interest in hearing what Frederick had to say. 796 00:34:46,042 --> 00:34:47,793 You're going into the most crucial 797 00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:49,670 period of Earth history. 798 00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,257 The terrible earthquakes, the storms. 799 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:53,882 We must warn you. 800 00:34:53,967 --> 00:34:55,260 We're here to warn you of these things. 801 00:34:55,342 --> 00:34:57,387 We are sincere. 802 00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:59,264 Without question, it was certainly 803 00:34:59,347 --> 00:35:01,141 not one of our finer moments. 804 00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:04,728 After that, we thought, 805 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:06,354 you know, we're not going on television again. 806 00:35:06,896 --> 00:35:10,025 I received a lot of attention that I should not be so public. 807 00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:12,652 Because they just want to tear everything to shreds. 808 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:16,489 But the last unfortunate appearance that I made, 809 00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:18,992 it didn't matter because I won. 810 00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:21,119 Because those who had an eye to see and hear 811 00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:23,455 heard everything that was necessary. 812 00:35:24,414 --> 00:35:25,915 It became a confirmation of 813 00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:27,584 Freddie always saying that the media will never 814 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:29,085 understand what we're doing. 815 00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:31,463 The mass world isn't ready to hear what we have to say. 816 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,673 We're only here for the selected few, 817 00:35:33,757 --> 00:35:36,468 who will get the message we have to bring to them. 818 00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:43,933 After the show, I got a letter from my dad. 819 00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:48,980 "Dear John, it's with heavy heart 820 00:35:49,064 --> 00:35:51,900 "that I take up my pen and write to you. 821 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:55,612 "Words cannot describe how I feel about Frederick. 822 00:35:55,695 --> 00:36:00,575 Evil, sinister, a fake are just a few that come to mind." 823 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:03,495 He can't imagine anyone would ever want to be associated 824 00:36:03,578 --> 00:36:07,082 with Frederick, and anyone who would 825 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,541 has to have their head examined. 826 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:10,085 And I assume that you were 827 00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:11,252 also on Arcturus as well, 828 00:36:11,336 --> 00:36:12,295 although it does not say that here. 829 00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:13,421 That's right. 830 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:17,509 I was furious to say that he was from Arcturus. 831 00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:23,348 I said, John, you were born in Syracuse, New York. 832 00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:25,266 And I held you in my arms. 833 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:30,355 But afterwards, I was dictated by Frederick 834 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,650 a letter to write back to my dad. 835 00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:39,072 It says, "Dad, it was not with heavy heart, 836 00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:43,618 "but with empty pocketbook that you wrote to me. 837 00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:45,829 I basically have no respect for you..." 838 00:36:48,665 --> 00:36:51,209 "Because you are spineless and have allowed yourself 839 00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:53,420 "to be manipulated all your life. 840 00:36:53,503 --> 00:36:56,715 "You operate under the whip of a wife 841 00:36:56,798 --> 00:37:00,176 "who uses everything to get what she wants. 842 00:37:00,260 --> 00:37:03,805 You have never been man enough to stand up to her." 843 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:14,983 Deprogramming from Frederick's mind control, 844 00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:19,279 it was completely disorienting. 845 00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:23,032 John and I were very much holding on to each other 846 00:37:23,116 --> 00:37:26,161 and supporting each other, 847 00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:31,666 as he realized that everything he had believed in 848 00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:35,086 had been used falsely. 849 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:37,464 He struggled with that. 850 00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:41,760 I was able to help John just to start detoxing. 851 00:37:44,721 --> 00:37:48,266 But we had difficult things to think about. 852 00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:54,147 Our absolute identity has just been wiped. 853 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:58,693 And we have nothing in common except the group, 854 00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:01,404 Eternal Values, and the fact that 855 00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:03,782 we've been through something. 856 00:38:03,865 --> 00:38:07,452 It made a good friendship, you know, 857 00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:12,415 but I did not feel like his wife. 858 00:38:12,499 --> 00:38:15,960 I was able to get an annulment, 859 00:38:16,044 --> 00:38:19,798 and I really tried to go back to my life. 860 00:38:19,881 --> 00:38:22,008 But I felt a lot of shame. 861 00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:24,844 I mean, it was really embarrassing, 862 00:38:24,928 --> 00:38:28,598 because I thought that I knew better. 863 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:30,517 And it made me angry. 864 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,644 This group's been around for a while. 865 00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,312 These people are known. 866 00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:37,232 No one said anything. 867 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:40,985 So that's why I contacted the DA's office. 868 00:38:41,069 --> 00:38:44,989 I told them about the group and about Frederick's gemstones 869 00:38:45,073 --> 00:38:48,409 and who he sold this to and that to. 870 00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:51,788 The DA's office took it on. 871 00:38:51,871 --> 00:38:55,416 I was asked to participate undercover. 872 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,628 I went with the detective in the Diamond District 873 00:38:58,711 --> 00:39:01,172 to substantiate some of the claims 874 00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:06,845 I was making into the gemstone sales side of it. 875 00:39:06,928 --> 00:39:10,765 Because Freddie's appraisals that he got from his guy 876 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:13,726 were pretty darn high, so the values were always 877 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:16,604 inflated on these appraisals. 878 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,441 And that's how Frederick was getting a great deal of money. 879 00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:23,695 I don't think that they were totally worthless like glass, 880 00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:25,947 but Frederick would add on a certain amount 881 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:27,574 to the appraisal. 882 00:39:27,657 --> 00:39:32,495 40% more, 50%, 60%, 70%, whatever Frederick said. 883 00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:36,040 The DA's office started building their case. 884 00:39:36,124 --> 00:39:40,628 They said they were very close with what they were finding. 885 00:39:40,712 --> 00:39:44,007 You know, we are seeing some stuff here. 886 00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:47,343 So John and I were working together 887 00:39:47,427 --> 00:39:50,430 to get this story out. 888 00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:54,100 And I wanted to let people know that, 889 00:39:54,183 --> 00:39:56,853 one, this group exists, and two, 890 00:39:56,936 --> 00:39:58,855 these things can happen to anybody. 891 00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:02,525 The next thing I know, 892 00:40:02,609 --> 00:40:04,861 Marie Brenner from "Vanity Fair" 893 00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:07,196 had heard about Frederick, 894 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,741 and she wanted to interview us, 895 00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:11,242 and we agreed. 896 00:40:11,326 --> 00:40:14,787 And the whole idea was I would do the interview 897 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:19,876 and help Brenner with whatever I could share about the story. 898 00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:21,502 When the "Vanity Fair" article happened, 899 00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:23,421 they actually photographed Frederick. 900 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:28,551 And at that point, he'd just had his, like, fifth facelift, 901 00:40:28,635 --> 00:40:30,428 and he still was willing to have them come in 902 00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:32,931 and have his picture taken. 903 00:40:33,014 --> 00:40:35,642 I definitely felt that was a mistake. 904 00:40:35,725 --> 00:40:38,728 Frederick looked tired and run down. 905 00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:40,813 And we told him, we suspected that 906 00:40:40,897 --> 00:40:43,566 it was probably going to paint the Eternal Values 907 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:44,776 in a negative light. 908 00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:47,779 But he was so confident, and he laughed. 909 00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:48,905 Like, he didn't worry. 910 00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:50,198 He never worried about anything. 911 00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:52,575 He did things fearlessly. 912 00:40:52,659 --> 00:40:54,285 He was a pioneer. 913 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,044 I was out running errands. 914 00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:07,006 And I go into the 7-Eleven. 915 00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:12,845 And I was just like, is that-- 916 00:41:12,929 --> 00:41:14,305 am I tripping right now? 917 00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:15,556 Like, what? 918 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,808 What is--really? 919 00:41:18,518 --> 00:41:19,936 I'm walking down the street. 920 00:41:20,019 --> 00:41:22,855 I see this magazine with Kathleen Turner on the cover. 921 00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:25,441 And in the little corner, it says, 922 00:41:25,525 --> 00:41:29,696 "The Ford Models and the Alien from Arcturus." 923 00:41:31,614 --> 00:41:34,492 Like, what--what is this? 924 00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:36,160 Here are all these pictures of Hoyt, 925 00:41:36,244 --> 00:41:37,203 pictures of Catherine. 926 00:41:37,286 --> 00:41:38,997 Here's a picture of all of my friends. 927 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,835 And you're all saying that we're some wacko group. 928 00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:45,294 I was really furious. 929 00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:48,047 Like, how could John and Jacki do this? 930 00:41:48,131 --> 00:41:50,925 Smear lies and twist truths, 931 00:41:51,009 --> 00:41:53,469 you know, to make Frederick look bad. 932 00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:58,307 But as horrific as that was, it got much worse. 933 00:41:58,391 --> 00:42:00,268 Not all cult members have shaved heads 934 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:01,769 or glazed expressions. 935 00:42:01,853 --> 00:42:03,396 One might be your next door neighbor. 936 00:42:03,479 --> 00:42:04,814 One might be the person who commutes 937 00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:06,441 to work with you in the morning. 938 00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:09,193 Or they may be among the most glamorous people in the world. 939 00:42:09,277 --> 00:42:10,820 They're top professional models 940 00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:13,531 represented by the prestigious Ford Modeling Agency. 941 00:42:13,614 --> 00:42:17,160 They're also members of a cult called Eternal Values. 942 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:20,747 When "Inside Edition" thing came out, I was livid. 943 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:22,957 Bob and Terry Hoyt brought up their six children 944 00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:25,376 in Berwyn, Pennsylvania. 945 00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:29,047 My mother and dad told their side of the story, 946 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:32,175 and they really threw Frederick under the bus. 947 00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:34,844 It was just a great, big phony sham. 948 00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:38,765 It only widened the chasm between me and my family, 949 00:42:38,848 --> 00:42:41,768 and I treated it as, this is an example 950 00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:43,770 of what Frederick warned me about, 951 00:42:43,853 --> 00:42:45,605 that--that you can't trust your family, 952 00:42:45,688 --> 00:42:47,440 and they're never going to understand what you're doing. 953 00:42:47,523 --> 00:42:50,276 John, with his charisma, was able to go out 954 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:52,070 and seek out the women 955 00:42:52,153 --> 00:42:54,280 and bring them back to Frederick. 956 00:42:54,363 --> 00:42:56,783 Frederick Von Mierers and some of his followers 957 00:42:56,866 --> 00:42:59,494 engaged in bizarre sexual activities. 958 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,037 How could he convince his followers 959 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,663 to do something like that? 960 00:43:02,747 --> 00:43:04,540 I don't know. 961 00:43:04,624 --> 00:43:10,171 I shudder to think about what these men and women 962 00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:13,925 are going to deal with for the rest of their lives. 963 00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:19,138 I felt incredibly proud of having been the whistleblower. 964 00:43:19,222 --> 00:43:23,101 Everyone within the industry started talking about this. 965 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,146 It started becoming the model cult. 966 00:43:30,525 --> 00:43:32,360 I remember, I was going through "Vanity Fair" 967 00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:35,071 and looking at it and thinking, what is this? 968 00:43:35,154 --> 00:43:37,657 And Hoyt's name was in it, and I went, "Oh, my God." 969 00:43:41,452 --> 00:43:43,996 But I saw the name Frederick Von Mierers. 970 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,623 I couldn't believe it was really him, 971 00:43:45,706 --> 00:43:47,834 'cause I hadn't seen him in years. 972 00:43:47,917 --> 00:43:49,377 His skin was so smooth. 973 00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:53,172 I remember it looked more like a mask. 974 00:43:53,256 --> 00:43:56,134 And it was odd to see a man that age looking like that. 975 00:43:56,217 --> 00:44:00,179 What age he was roughly when you met him originally? 976 00:44:00,263 --> 00:44:02,056 I would say it was early 20s. 977 00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:04,642 Freddie had no reputation when I met him. 978 00:44:04,725 --> 00:44:09,272 I mean, he was just a young kid in modeling. 979 00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:11,732 And he was very secretive about his family. 980 00:44:11,816 --> 00:44:13,734 I rather come from a very rich family 981 00:44:13,818 --> 00:44:15,194 and give everything away. 982 00:44:15,278 --> 00:44:16,571 I'm not here to gain money. 983 00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:18,197 Do you have a trust fund from your wealthy family? 984 00:44:18,281 --> 00:44:19,407 Yes. 985 00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:20,533 Why don't you give that money back? 986 00:44:20,616 --> 00:44:22,034 Because it's not yours. You're from Arcturus. 987 00:44:22,118 --> 00:44:23,452 That money belongs here in the United States. 988 00:44:23,536 --> 00:44:25,329 We thought he had been like a prince 989 00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:28,124 and had given up this worldly life 990 00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:30,585 to now live a spiritual life. 991 00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,254 We had all been reading these Ruth Montgomery books, 992 00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:36,632 and we just took it as truth. 993 00:44:36,716 --> 00:44:39,260 Reared at 68th Street and Park Avenue. 994 00:44:39,343 --> 00:44:41,721 His parents died in an automobile accident. 995 00:44:41,804 --> 00:44:43,306 Frederick traveled the high roads of Europe, 996 00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:45,057 meeting socially with the Queen of England. 997 00:44:45,141 --> 00:44:49,187 Nantucket, Aristocrat, Walk-In from another planet. 998 00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:51,439 Frederick had two sides-- 999 00:44:51,522 --> 00:44:54,942 Frederick Von Mierers the name, the affected voice, 1000 00:44:55,026 --> 00:44:58,112 the pretension, the clothing, the jewels, all of that-- 1001 00:44:58,196 --> 00:45:01,407 I mean, to me, it was like he was still Freddie Meyer, 1002 00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:04,869 a nice boy from Brooklyn, New York. 1003 00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:10,875 Back in the '60s, when I was a model, 1004 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:14,420 I was the brunette, 1005 00:45:14,503 --> 00:45:18,132 and Freddy Mierers was the blonde. 1006 00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:22,970 But Freddy and I hit it off 1007 00:45:23,054 --> 00:45:25,848 because he told me he came from Brooklyn. 1008 00:45:28,976 --> 00:45:31,479 I lived right on the border of Bensonhurst, 1009 00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:33,397 and he lived in Bay Ridge. 1010 00:45:36,192 --> 00:45:38,361 "Frederick Von Mierers," you know, 1011 00:45:38,444 --> 00:45:41,030 that was all an act to me. 1012 00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:43,032 I used to think he was a great actor. 1013 00:45:43,115 --> 00:45:44,408 To me, he came from Brooklyn. 1014 00:45:44,492 --> 00:45:46,327 He was a fucking kid from Brooklyn. 1015 00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:51,582 In the '60s, he would tell me things 1016 00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:54,794 about his earlier life, to which he totally 1017 00:45:54,877 --> 00:45:57,213 disowned later on in life. 1018 00:45:57,296 --> 00:45:59,507 I remember him telling me that his mom was 16 1019 00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:01,008 when he was born. 1020 00:46:01,092 --> 00:46:02,969 But it was all too much, I think, for his mom, 1021 00:46:03,052 --> 00:46:05,429 who was so young, to deal with him. 1022 00:46:05,513 --> 00:46:08,099 So he was living mostly, I think, with an aunt 1023 00:46:08,182 --> 00:46:09,684 and a grandmother. 1024 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,686 He was sort of on his own. 1025 00:46:14,563 --> 00:46:16,691 I got a sense that he just hustled his way 1026 00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:19,443 from one situation to another. 1027 00:46:19,527 --> 00:46:20,945 That's probably why he changed his name, 1028 00:46:21,028 --> 00:46:22,780 so that people really couldn't trace him 1029 00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:24,740 to be the nice boy from Brooklyn. 1030 00:46:26,409 --> 00:46:30,621 Frederick adapted himself to fit into those places. 1031 00:46:30,705 --> 00:46:33,374 The Upper East Side kind of society. 1032 00:46:33,457 --> 00:46:35,459 I think once he caught a wind of it 1033 00:46:35,543 --> 00:46:38,546 and saw the other world that he could grab onto, 1034 00:46:38,629 --> 00:46:41,215 he held onto it dearly. 1035 00:46:41,299 --> 00:46:43,759 It was as if Brooklyn never existed. 1036 00:46:46,137 --> 00:46:47,221 He studied everything. 1037 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:48,222 He studied every person. 1038 00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:51,267 He knew everything about them. 1039 00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:53,227 But the most important thing-- 1040 00:46:53,311 --> 00:46:54,687 if somebody was a little insecure, 1041 00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:57,356 he'd make them feel secure, 1042 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,358 which the modeling world was perfect for him. 1043 00:46:59,442 --> 00:47:01,068 Many members of the Eternal Values 1044 00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:03,529 are doing modeling in New York and being very successful. 1045 00:47:03,612 --> 00:47:06,282 A lot of models are not by nature secure people. 1046 00:47:06,365 --> 00:47:08,284 You all want a fairy tale, don't you? 1047 00:47:08,367 --> 00:47:10,369 The very fact that you seek a beautiful girl, 1048 00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:12,455 a beautiful boy, a perfect life means 1049 00:47:12,538 --> 00:47:14,498 you all want a fairy tale on Earth. 1050 00:47:14,582 --> 00:47:16,709 They grow up not really trusting the fact 1051 00:47:16,792 --> 00:47:18,502 that people like them for who they are 1052 00:47:18,586 --> 00:47:20,463 and just like them for their looks. 1053 00:47:22,006 --> 00:47:24,425 Freddie was very sharp about all of that. 1054 00:47:28,596 --> 00:47:31,515 Before the "Vanity Fair" article broke, 1055 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,852 people only talked about Hoyt in terms of his career 1056 00:47:34,935 --> 00:47:38,814 with awe because he was effortlessly working 1057 00:47:38,898 --> 00:47:41,901 with all the best people back-to-back. 1058 00:47:41,984 --> 00:47:45,446 At no time were there any remarks, veiled or otherwise, 1059 00:47:45,529 --> 00:47:49,533 about his private life until the day 1060 00:47:49,617 --> 00:47:51,952 the article hit the newsstand. 1061 00:47:52,036 --> 00:47:53,496 He was an enigma. 1062 00:47:53,579 --> 00:47:54,747 He was a huge star. 1063 00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:56,082 And then this word came out, 1064 00:47:56,165 --> 00:47:58,584 and these whispers went around the business. 1065 00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,586 And it was kind of titillating in a way. 1066 00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:03,464 You know, it was, ooh, drama. 1067 00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:06,008 Did you hear about Hoyt? 1068 00:48:06,092 --> 00:48:08,594 Hoyt was always such an amazing guy. 1069 00:48:08,677 --> 00:48:11,597 And I thought, OK, right now, he's been misguided. 1070 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,265 And I used to tell him. 1071 00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:16,102 I said, I don't know about these people. 1072 00:48:16,185 --> 00:48:18,813 And I remember all the other-- you know, all the other models, 1073 00:48:18,896 --> 00:48:20,481 they were, like, making fun of him, 1074 00:48:20,564 --> 00:48:24,652 and I was always defending him, because he was my friend. 1075 00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:26,404 It was interesting. 1076 00:48:26,487 --> 00:48:29,865 You know, I've known Hoyt throughout the years, 1077 00:48:29,949 --> 00:48:32,201 but I don't think that Hoyt ever 1078 00:48:32,284 --> 00:48:34,370 really spoke about Frederick. 1079 00:48:36,372 --> 00:48:38,707 When I read the article in "Vanity Fair," 1080 00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:41,127 I wanted to call Hoyt, and I wanted to call people about it. 1081 00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:44,004 And I thought, no, I'm not going down that road. 1082 00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,507 Did you ever think about it? 1083 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:48,134 No, I wouldn't bring it up to Hoyt because 1084 00:48:48,217 --> 00:48:50,511 that was his-- that was his world. 1085 00:48:50,594 --> 00:48:54,890 I mean, there are certain things you know with people 1086 00:48:54,974 --> 00:48:56,308 that you just don't bring up. 1087 00:48:56,392 --> 00:48:58,018 I mean, unless they offer it to you. 1088 00:48:58,102 --> 00:48:59,353 It wasn't like I was going to be saving him, 1089 00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:01,439 and he didn't look like he needed saving. 1090 00:49:06,193 --> 00:49:07,987 After the "Vanity Fair" article hit, 1091 00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:09,738 I actually had booked a commercial 1092 00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:13,617 down in the Grenadine Islands. 1093 00:49:13,701 --> 00:49:15,911 But I got all the way to the Grenadines, 1094 00:49:15,995 --> 00:49:18,664 and I'm told to basically turn around and go home 1095 00:49:18,747 --> 00:49:21,333 because the client decided I'm too blonde. 1096 00:49:22,668 --> 00:49:25,963 But I knew it was because of the article. 1097 00:49:26,046 --> 00:49:28,507 A few weeks after the story burst, 1098 00:49:28,591 --> 00:49:30,968 I was looking at a year's worth of empty charts. 1099 00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:33,637 Everything canceled. 1100 00:49:33,721 --> 00:49:35,764 And that was kind of my indication 1101 00:49:35,848 --> 00:49:38,225 that this might be the life I'm looking at. 1102 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:39,852 No one's going to want to work with me. 1103 00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:41,395 I'm basically going to be taboo. 1104 00:49:43,147 --> 00:49:45,065 But if my career is going to end, 1105 00:49:45,149 --> 00:49:46,400 I'll just go back to Europe, 1106 00:49:46,484 --> 00:49:48,194 I'll see if I can get a couple more jobs, 1107 00:49:48,277 --> 00:49:50,279 and I'll leave the business with a good taste in my mouth. 1108 00:49:50,362 --> 00:49:52,740 But what I discovered when I got to Europe 1109 00:49:52,823 --> 00:49:54,325 is they were fascinated. 1110 00:49:57,703 --> 00:50:01,582 And people started to actually book me just to see 1111 00:50:01,665 --> 00:50:03,918 if I might do something weird on the job. 1112 00:50:07,505 --> 00:50:09,507 Suddenly, there was so much work 1113 00:50:09,590 --> 00:50:11,842 that our problem was actually turning it down. 1114 00:50:11,926 --> 00:50:17,223 Fresh over from America, let's hear it for TLC! 1115 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:21,393 It actually accelerated my career 1116 00:50:21,477 --> 00:50:24,188 and became this huge catapult 1117 00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:25,648 that set me into a whole other realm. 1118 00:50:25,731 --> 00:50:28,359 First time ever to Russia. 1119 00:50:28,442 --> 00:50:30,653 And when I would go on the jobs 1120 00:50:30,736 --> 00:50:32,530 right after the "Vanity Fair" article happened... 1121 00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:34,406 The true adventure is beginning now. 1122 00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:37,701 If someone had the balls to kind of ask me about it, 1123 00:50:37,785 --> 00:50:38,953 I would say, well, what do you think? 1124 00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:40,329 You guys know me. 1125 00:50:40,412 --> 00:50:42,289 I've been in the business for a long time. 1126 00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:45,584 Do you actually believe that I would be involved 1127 00:50:45,668 --> 00:50:47,211 with what this article was talking about? 1128 00:50:47,294 --> 00:50:49,380 And most people were like, "No, I wouldn't think so." 1129 00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:50,965 I said, yeah, it's not true. 1130 00:50:51,048 --> 00:50:52,091 It's not true. 1131 00:50:52,174 --> 00:50:53,133 None of it's true. 1132 00:50:55,928 --> 00:50:57,638 My career actually became much better 1133 00:50:57,721 --> 00:51:00,933 than it ever had before the "Vanity Fair" article. 1134 00:51:01,016 --> 00:51:03,352 And I got the biggest job I ever did, 1135 00:51:03,435 --> 00:51:07,231 which was this editorial for Mondo Uomo. 1136 00:51:07,314 --> 00:51:10,442 They devoted the entire magazine 1137 00:51:10,526 --> 00:51:12,236 to one model, which was me. 1138 00:51:14,905 --> 00:51:17,366 It's never been done, ever. 1139 00:51:17,449 --> 00:51:21,453 I've never seen any model, male or female, do this. 1140 00:51:21,537 --> 00:51:26,125 It's just a list of amazing, amazing photographers, 1141 00:51:26,208 --> 00:51:30,129 and they're shooting their visions of Hoyt. 1142 00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:37,636 It was a male model at the very, very top. 1143 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,764 Hoyt Richards is the highest paid male model in the world, 1144 00:51:40,848 --> 00:51:42,641 but you wouldn't know it by talking to him. 1145 00:51:42,725 --> 00:51:44,184 Success has never gone to his head. 1146 00:51:45,811 --> 00:51:47,271 Around that time, 1147 00:51:47,354 --> 00:51:50,232 I got booked on a job with Jacki. 1148 00:51:50,316 --> 00:51:51,859 And I tell you, and looking back on it, 1149 00:51:51,942 --> 00:51:54,320 I wonder, like, if people did that intentionally or not. 1150 00:51:54,403 --> 00:51:55,613 I have no idea. 1151 00:51:55,696 --> 00:51:58,157 I wouldn't put it past the fashion industry. 1152 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,367 I mean, the whole industry knew. 1153 00:52:00,451 --> 00:52:04,872 So it was really ironic to me-- and horrifying-- 1154 00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:07,583 the industry would put me with this guy. 1155 00:52:09,627 --> 00:52:11,128 It was a couple's shoot, 1156 00:52:11,211 --> 00:52:14,506 and I had to be his girlfriend or his wife 1157 00:52:14,590 --> 00:52:16,175 or somebody in this picture. 1158 00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:17,384 I mean, it was horrible, 1159 00:52:17,468 --> 00:52:21,096 because as a professional, I got that shoot done. 1160 00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:23,724 I did it. 1161 00:52:23,807 --> 00:52:27,603 But it really hurt, because it seemed like 1162 00:52:27,686 --> 00:52:31,106 he thought it was hysterically funny. 1163 00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:33,150 He wasn't very nice at all. 1164 00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:36,862 I don't remember specifically 1165 00:52:36,945 --> 00:52:39,865 how I handled myself or what I said to her, 1166 00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:41,241 but I certainly know my intent 1167 00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:45,245 was to make her feel terrible about what she had done. 1168 00:52:47,748 --> 00:52:51,418 I pretty much became a laughing stock. 1169 00:52:51,502 --> 00:52:56,757 But I won't back down from speaking truth, 1170 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,760 even if it makes me look ridiculous. 1171 00:52:59,843 --> 00:53:04,139 And I was aware of the fact that 1172 00:53:04,223 --> 00:53:07,768 this would have an incredibly negative impact on my career, 1173 00:53:07,851 --> 00:53:11,230 because at least at that time, 1174 00:53:11,313 --> 00:53:12,481 it was just, you were-- 1175 00:53:12,564 --> 00:53:14,650 this idea of being a perfect canvas, 1176 00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:15,818 no history, no nothing. 1177 00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:17,069 They could just imprint 1178 00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:21,115 whatever they wanted on your image. 1179 00:53:21,198 --> 00:53:25,452 I was saying things that weren't-- 1180 00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:29,373 they weren't something people wanted to hear. 1181 00:53:29,456 --> 00:53:34,086 I did try to keep going on for a while, 1182 00:53:34,169 --> 00:53:38,382 but it was pretty much 1183 00:53:38,465 --> 00:53:41,802 the end of my career as a model. 1184 00:53:43,554 --> 00:53:45,389 Pretty much. 1185 00:53:48,726 --> 00:53:50,644 First of all, tell us what you're wearing. 1186 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,646 I wasn't willing to go to that place to say that 1187 00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:54,148 a lot of this is true. 1188 00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:58,110 It was more about a strong sense of betrayal from her. 1189 00:53:58,193 --> 00:54:01,029 I reacted in a way where I just dug in my heels even more. 1190 00:54:03,407 --> 00:54:07,077 Never underestimate the power of denial. 1191 00:54:07,161 --> 00:54:08,579 You just stuff those feelings down 1192 00:54:08,662 --> 00:54:10,164 and you throw it away, 1193 00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:12,166 throw it away and pretend you're not-- 1194 00:54:12,249 --> 00:54:14,793 you gaslight your own goddamn self. 1195 00:54:16,545 --> 00:54:18,046 I've done things that, you know, 1196 00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:19,798 I would have only, you know, read about in books. 1197 00:54:19,882 --> 00:54:22,885 And so, for me, it's been like living your fairy tale. 1198 00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:25,971 But the reality is, the "Vanity Fair" article 1199 00:54:26,054 --> 00:54:28,348 was like setting off an atom bomb in Eternal Values, 1200 00:54:28,432 --> 00:54:32,186 because Frederick died 1201 00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:36,440 five days before the "Vanity Fair" article hit. 1202 00:54:39,318 --> 00:54:42,446 So you were there when Frederick passed? 1203 00:54:42,529 --> 00:54:44,448 Yes. 1204 00:54:44,531 --> 00:54:47,868 Did you understand that he just died of natural causes? 1205 00:54:47,951 --> 00:54:49,453 Um... 1206 00:54:51,163 --> 00:54:55,083 You didn't hear anything nefarious about his passing? 1207 00:54:55,167 --> 00:54:56,084 Oh, I did. 1208 00:54:56,168 --> 00:54:58,086 I definitely did. 1209 00:54:58,170 --> 00:54:59,713 Did what? 1210 00:54:59,797 --> 00:55:03,342 I heard nefarious things about Frederick's passing. 1211 00:55:03,425 --> 00:55:05,761 And--but you were there. 1212 00:55:05,844 --> 00:55:07,763 Ask the question. 1213 00:55:13,477 --> 00:55:16,605 I wanted to know what happened. 1214 00:55:16,688 --> 00:55:18,232 What was the situation? 1215 00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:20,859 What were the circumstances? 1216 00:55:20,943 --> 00:55:22,861 Put me in that motherfucking place. 1217 00:55:22,945 --> 00:55:25,739 I need to know. I need to know. 1218 00:55:28,408 --> 00:55:32,162 I mean, the leader died, for Christ's sake. 1219 00:55:32,246 --> 00:55:35,374 And I keep saying "died." 1220 00:55:35,457 --> 00:55:37,376 I keep saying "died." 1221 00:55:39,461 --> 00:55:42,506 He didn't die. 1222 00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:45,342 They killed him. 1223 00:55:45,425 --> 00:55:47,010 I don't have any problems saying that. 1224 00:55:47,094 --> 00:55:49,680 They killed him.