1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,829 I feel like... something horrible thing will happen to me. 2 00:00:12,122 --> 00:00:14,666 As if something bad had happened. 3 00:00:15,709 --> 00:00:18,754 It hasn't hit me yet, but it's close. 4 00:00:30,724 --> 00:00:33,317 I don't know why it's important, but it helps people 5 00:00:33,352 --> 00:00:39,358 to deal with their losses, inventing ghost stories. 6 00:00:50,702 --> 00:00:52,913 Alice had secrets. 7 00:00:53,330 --> 00:00:57,626 She kept the fact a secret, of having secrets. 8 00:01:06,551 --> 00:01:09,471 It's difficult for some understand, but... 9 00:01:09,763 --> 00:01:14,309 you must find someone to blame, otherwise, You will no longer have anything to lean on. 10 00:01:25,362 --> 00:01:27,996 In December 2005 A tragic accident triggered... 11 00:01:28,031 --> 00:01:30,826 a series of extraordinary events, what took a family into mourning... 12 00:01:30,861 --> 00:01:32,709 and the Victorian city of Ararat, 13 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:35,497 to become the center of media attention. 14 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:39,126 This film is a documentary of these events. 15 00:01:48,260 --> 00:01:52,723 - Police Emergency. - My daughter Alice disappeared going to... 16 00:01:52,758 --> 00:01:56,685 JUNE'S CALL TO THE POLICE DECEMBER 21, 2005 17 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:03,650 Do you know where... 18 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:18,380 HELLSUBS presents: Lake Mungo 19 00:02:18,415 --> 00:02:23,128 Translation: Nininha, Naty and Moicano Review: Guga-Asa 20 00:02:24,546 --> 00:02:28,467 The tranquil image that Ararat always reserve was shaken yesterday, 21 00:02:28,502 --> 00:02:31,178 with the disappearance of Alice Palmer, 16 years old 22 00:02:31,345 --> 00:02:33,103 during a picnic with your family. 23 00:02:33,138 --> 00:02:37,517 We received a call at 6pm about a missing girl, 24 00:02:37,552 --> 00:02:41,862 and upon knowing the nature of the situation, we called the divers. 25 00:02:41,897 --> 00:02:45,150 The divers entered the water by around 10pm, together with volunteers 26 00:02:45,185 --> 00:02:47,069 in an unsuccessful search... 27 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:50,322 Matt and Ali went swimming at the dam, in the middle of the day. 28 00:02:50,656 --> 00:02:55,118 I could see them, from where I was in the picnic area. 29 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:58,350 I think I stayed in water for 15 minutes, 30 00:02:58,385 --> 00:03:01,291 said he was going out, because I was cold. 31 00:03:02,542 --> 00:03:07,923 So I swam back, and when she didn't came, I thought you wanted to stay there. 32 00:03:09,216 --> 00:03:11,969 I remember Matt leaving, 33 00:03:13,136 --> 00:03:18,308 and a few minutes later, I heard him asking for Alice. 34 00:03:21,853 --> 00:03:26,525 So I got up and looked at the dam, 35 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,028 and the water was calm. 36 00:03:31,530 --> 00:03:33,699 So I called for Alice. 37 00:03:34,574 --> 00:03:39,121 I searched for the water, trying to find her, 38 00:03:41,707 --> 00:03:47,087 and the boys looked for... 39 00:03:47,122 --> 00:03:49,339 through the surrounding forest. 40 00:03:49,631 --> 00:03:53,176 I remember seeing the towel of Alice, she left her on the floor. 41 00:03:54,219 --> 00:04:00,350 She certainly hadn't left, because I would have taken your towel. 42 00:04:02,519 --> 00:04:07,107 So, this was the last time I saw her. 43 00:04:27,669 --> 00:04:30,714 The police still regret by Alice Palmer aged 16, 44 00:04:30,749 --> 00:04:33,759 who disappeared during a picnic with your family. 45 00:04:34,259 --> 00:04:37,638 - The divers... - They told us to go home... 46 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,895 and that if the divers found something, they would tell us immediately. 47 00:04:57,699 --> 00:05:01,954 I felt strange in the car on the way from home, as there was a vacant place. 48 00:05:03,121 --> 00:05:05,916 One hour she was there and in the other... 49 00:05:07,125 --> 00:05:08,669 gone. 50 00:05:10,420 --> 00:05:13,903 We stayed that night with the Palmers, 51 00:05:13,938 --> 00:05:17,386 actually waiting for news. 52 00:05:18,971 --> 00:05:23,600 For bad news, that was the expectation. 53 00:05:24,017 --> 00:05:29,022 We got the call from Russell, from your cell phone, at 9pm. 54 00:05:29,057 --> 00:05:33,568 He said there was an accident at the dam, 55 00:05:33,603 --> 00:05:35,904 and that Alice disappeared. 56 00:05:36,530 --> 00:05:40,791 So, we think it's better let's go there. 57 00:05:40,826 --> 00:05:45,309 I remember June felt strange with... 58 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:49,793 Iris being there, something strange between them. 59 00:05:50,085 --> 00:05:54,047 I felt strange, having my mother there... 60 00:05:54,881 --> 00:05:58,051 Me and my mother there, by Alice. 61 00:05:58,969 --> 00:06:02,180 It didn't feel right, the right order. 62 00:06:04,182 --> 00:06:07,227 It was a terrible night. 63 00:06:07,602 --> 00:06:10,314 The worst night of our lives. 64 00:06:14,234 --> 00:06:16,903 I went to the room Alice that night, 65 00:06:17,237 --> 00:06:22,784 your phone rang sometimes, but I... 66 00:06:22,819 --> 00:06:25,037 I didn't answer. 67 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,461 I remember the bed it was tidy. 68 00:06:33,587 --> 00:06:37,132 I remember, I thought how everything was so perfect. 69 00:06:50,937 --> 00:06:54,316 I received a phone from Alice's mother, June. 70 00:06:54,351 --> 00:06:56,610 She said that... 71 00:06:57,027 --> 00:07:01,281 Alice was missing, who probably drowned and... 72 00:07:02,115 --> 00:07:05,118 I didn't, I believed her, but... 73 00:07:06,119 --> 00:07:09,289 I don't know, It's hard to accept, so... 74 00:07:09,665 --> 00:07:12,542 I called the Alice's cell phone. 75 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:20,676 It's hard to say, I hope it was a joke. 76 00:07:20,926 --> 00:07:23,595 It was a real shock, 77 00:07:25,097 --> 00:07:28,350 It didn't seem real. 78 00:07:30,477 --> 00:07:34,773 Everything was as always, but everyone saying that Alice drowned. 79 00:07:35,565 --> 00:07:39,152 Some memories of that night which stand out? 80 00:07:41,196 --> 00:07:43,907 I remember, we left the light from the balcony access, 81 00:07:44,825 --> 00:07:47,286 waiting, in case... 82 00:07:48,662 --> 00:07:50,789 And why is that? 83 00:07:59,006 --> 00:08:01,550 In case she comes back home, I guess. 84 00:08:29,620 --> 00:08:34,833 Divers found the body from Alice at 9:25 pm. 85 00:08:35,208 --> 00:08:37,461 They used sonar to locate it. 86 00:08:37,496 --> 00:08:39,803 She drowned and... 87 00:08:39,838 --> 00:08:44,217 got sucked into the system of rainwater collection. 88 00:08:44,426 --> 00:08:47,429 And immediately, We called your family. 89 00:08:48,597 --> 00:08:51,398 As soon as we were warned who found his body, 90 00:08:51,433 --> 00:08:54,936 June and I went to the dam. Georgie kept Matt company. 91 00:08:55,312 --> 00:09:01,568 It was all very official and formal, They asked him to sign his identification. 92 00:09:01,944 --> 00:09:04,321 June remained in the car. 93 00:09:05,906 --> 00:09:08,512 And thinking about it, I think which was a mistake, because 94 00:09:08,547 --> 00:09:11,119 she never made it face this fact. 95 00:09:12,579 --> 00:09:17,292 I couldn't go and recognize Alice's body. 96 00:09:17,793 --> 00:09:21,129 She was submerged for so long, 97 00:09:22,297 --> 00:09:28,470 and I didn't want remember her like this. 98 00:09:29,137 --> 00:09:35,227 I think it was my responsibility, like your father, you know... 99 00:09:36,937 --> 00:09:39,648 It's what a father does. 100 00:09:59,042 --> 00:10:01,378 The car broke down in the dam. 101 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,173 The only march that what worked was the frog. 102 00:10:05,465 --> 00:10:09,303 So we came back, to the city. 103 00:10:09,761 --> 00:10:14,308 It was that, or go back on foot, and given the moment, 104 00:10:14,766 --> 00:10:17,102 it was the only option. 105 00:10:28,655 --> 00:10:32,075 The autopsy was done on Monday, the 27th. 106 00:10:34,453 --> 00:10:40,667 The coroner released the body on Tuesday, the 28th. 107 00:10:43,462 --> 00:10:48,133 It was very strange to pass Christmas with the family, 108 00:10:48,717 --> 00:10:51,678 having Alice in the morgue. 109 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,858 I don't know, it didn't seem like it saw her for a week. 110 00:11:06,151 --> 00:11:08,445 It didn't seem real. 111 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:16,036 Death takes everything from us, in the end. 112 00:11:16,370 --> 00:11:20,832 It's the most ridiculous thing there is, it will continue to be, it doesn't matter. 113 00:11:23,335 --> 00:11:26,004 There is nothing left to know about her. 114 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,392 It is a day of mourning for the family and friends of Alice Palmer, 115 00:11:32,427 --> 00:11:36,974 who pay the last tribute to a girl who died very young. 116 00:11:37,009 --> 00:11:41,770 He was a wonderful person, popular, smart, kind, 117 00:11:41,805 --> 00:11:43,862 I don't know... 118 00:11:43,897 --> 00:11:46,962 Alice is remembered as a happy, adorable girl, 119 00:11:46,997 --> 00:11:50,035 with great vitality described, as always... 120 00:11:50,070 --> 00:11:53,038 The Palmers were really strong at that moment, 121 00:11:53,073 --> 00:11:57,202 if we think about how much this It was bad for them until then... 122 00:11:58,453 --> 00:12:01,665 it's hard to imagine how much worse it would become. 123 00:12:14,761 --> 00:12:19,182 Ten days after the burial from Alice, on January 15th, 124 00:12:19,217 --> 00:12:21,518 strange things started happening in the house. 125 00:12:22,352 --> 00:12:25,939 Noises on the roof, and... 126 00:12:26,356 --> 00:12:29,449 sounds coming from the windows... 127 00:12:29,484 --> 00:12:33,905 and other sounds, which seemed come from Alice's room. 128 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:39,960 So we realign the door from Alice's room, 129 00:12:39,995 --> 00:12:43,540 and we call a pest control, to look for insects. 130 00:12:44,082 --> 00:12:46,466 And nothing helped, 131 00:12:46,501 --> 00:12:50,589 the door kept slamming, and we continued hearing strange sounds in the room. 132 00:12:53,216 --> 00:12:56,115 There was something strange about the house. 133 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:59,354 I had a strange feeling, 134 00:12:59,389 --> 00:13:02,524 I can't explain what, 135 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:08,649 but just enter, and you will has a bad feeling. 136 00:13:16,740 --> 00:13:19,868 I started having nightmares, 137 00:13:20,285 --> 00:13:23,962 which caused me a lot of stress. 138 00:13:23,997 --> 00:13:29,127 Sometimes I didn't want to open your eyes. 139 00:13:29,711 --> 00:13:32,589 I was awake, but I didn't want to open my eyes. 140 00:13:33,966 --> 00:13:38,936 There was one, who was very real, and repetitive. 141 00:13:38,971 --> 00:13:43,850 Alice was coming down the hall, still wet from the dam. 142 00:13:43,885 --> 00:13:48,730 and stood at the foot of the bed, looking at us. 143 00:13:49,523 --> 00:13:55,028 It was so scary, who didn't want to open his eyes. 144 00:13:58,615 --> 00:14:02,251 In mid-February, the nightmares got worse, 145 00:14:02,286 --> 00:14:08,041 who goes out for a walk at night, Sometimes for 3 hours, 146 00:14:08,458 --> 00:14:13,714 just to not sleep at night, and close my eyes. 147 00:14:16,842 --> 00:14:20,429 Sometimes I went home of other people. 148 00:14:20,929 --> 00:14:23,682 I thought I wasn't doing nothing wrong. 149 00:14:24,391 --> 00:14:30,564 I think I wanted to share life from other people for a while. 150 00:14:41,074 --> 00:14:44,161 Georgie, do you remember How was Russell at the time? 151 00:14:44,196 --> 00:14:48,338 Russell was working hard, 152 00:14:48,373 --> 00:14:52,294 I think that helped dealing with loss. 153 00:14:55,005 --> 00:14:59,760 Russell and I met in the Gibsland Castman project, in 98. 154 00:14:59,795 --> 00:15:02,060 We worked together on the project. 155 00:15:02,095 --> 00:15:05,557 - So you've known each other for a few years? - Yes, many years ago. 156 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:12,189 Do you remember what he was like when Alice died, was there any change? 157 00:15:12,606 --> 00:15:14,524 He worked normally, 158 00:15:15,943 --> 00:15:21,114 It was very difficult, I didn't know What to say to him about this? 159 00:15:21,198 --> 00:15:23,248 You didn't talk about it? 160 00:15:23,283 --> 00:15:26,001 Not really, everyone feel one way, 161 00:15:26,036 --> 00:15:31,583 and it wasn't me who should tell you how to feel. 162 00:15:32,042 --> 00:15:35,379 But, sure I was worried. 163 00:15:37,047 --> 00:15:40,300 I really was grateful to have my job, 164 00:15:40,592 --> 00:15:43,512 I felt very guilty so at the time, 165 00:15:43,804 --> 00:15:47,265 but, I needed bear all of this. 166 00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:54,863 And one night in February, 167 00:15:54,898 --> 00:15:58,860 I got home late from work, and was sitting in the kitchen, 168 00:15:59,194 --> 00:16:02,364 and I heard a sound coming from Ali's room. 169 00:16:03,615 --> 00:16:08,662 So I went to Ali's room I don't really know why, 170 00:16:08,697 --> 00:16:13,709 I thought about sitting in the armchair in front of the closet, 171 00:16:14,751 --> 00:16:18,053 maybe, because I was very tired, 172 00:16:18,088 --> 00:16:23,739 So, Ali entered, went to at his desk, sharpened a pencil, 173 00:16:23,774 --> 00:16:29,391 and it seemed like he was seeing messages on your cell phone. 174 00:16:30,684 --> 00:16:33,270 I was scared. 175 00:16:33,604 --> 00:16:38,775 She was completely alien to my presence. 176 00:16:40,527 --> 00:16:43,989 And then, I don't know what happened, I must have moved the bed, 177 00:16:44,024 --> 00:16:49,793 moved the feet, or something, and she stood still, 178 00:16:49,828 --> 00:16:54,916 and then I realized, that she knew I was there. 179 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:59,463 Then she turned slowly, looked me in the eyes, 180 00:17:00,172 --> 00:17:04,009 completely present, it seemed... It seemed like an eternity. 181 00:17:04,217 --> 00:17:10,057 Then she came to me, and said: get out, get out. 182 00:17:10,092 --> 00:17:14,436 And I just leave as quickly as possible. 183 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,776 I heard Russell crying, he was in the kitchen, Mathew and I found him here. 184 00:17:20,811 --> 00:17:25,572 He was whining, totally inconsolable. 185 00:17:25,989 --> 00:17:28,992 You believed in Russell, When did he say he saw a ghost? 186 00:17:29,368 --> 00:17:33,330 Yes, I believed it, I think that he saw what he saw, 187 00:17:33,365 --> 00:17:38,502 he's not the type who invents things. 188 00:17:38,537 --> 00:17:40,420 So I believe he saw something. 189 00:17:42,381 --> 00:17:46,551 If it was a ghost, or not, I don't know. 190 00:17:47,135 --> 00:17:49,179 But, I'm sure, that he saw something. 191 00:18:07,030 --> 00:18:11,243 I remember talking to church members, 192 00:18:11,278 --> 00:18:14,997 for them to help June and the Palmers. 193 00:18:15,455 --> 00:18:20,294 But they thought There was nothing left to do... 194 00:18:20,627 --> 00:18:25,549 but partly it was because they were not practitioners. 195 00:18:25,584 --> 00:18:28,677 And they didn't have how to comfort them. 196 00:18:30,804 --> 00:18:33,390 I don't even know what June believes. 197 00:18:34,725 --> 00:18:37,853 I was really worried with Mathew. 198 00:18:39,271 --> 00:18:42,065 I think it's because they were so close. 199 00:18:42,441 --> 00:18:45,485 I was worried about how he was going to get over it. 200 00:18:53,076 --> 00:18:56,204 I remember him passing a lot of time alone. 201 00:18:56,239 --> 00:19:00,000 I was worried about him. 202 00:19:03,754 --> 00:19:07,883 Mathew showed up with some strange bruises on the body. 203 00:19:07,918 --> 00:19:12,012 They were strange in terms of location and depth. 204 00:19:13,555 --> 00:19:15,439 Obviously, we look... 205 00:19:15,474 --> 00:19:21,653 your history to delete traumas, but there was nothing. 206 00:19:21,688 --> 00:19:27,694 We examine him for inflammation, and we exclude any intoxication. 207 00:19:28,278 --> 00:19:31,198 We couldn't conclude anything, 208 00:19:31,239 --> 00:19:37,120 and after a few weeks, the bruises disappeared spontaneously. 209 00:19:37,496 --> 00:19:41,291 And we could never establish a cause for them. 210 00:19:44,127 --> 00:19:47,255 I'm Steve Wilkie, Mathew's best friend. 211 00:19:47,631 --> 00:19:51,593 I usually go to your house two or three times a week. 212 00:19:54,554 --> 00:20:00,811 We started a band, and We usually play at my house. 213 00:20:01,603 --> 00:20:06,149 Mathew is very silent, but he was always very quiet, 214 00:20:06,184 --> 00:20:10,946 So, it doesn't seem to me there is nothing wrong. 215 00:20:11,446 --> 00:20:14,998 I heard about June going to other people's houses. 216 00:20:15,033 --> 00:20:20,247 Mathew never talked about it and I never asked either. 217 00:20:25,711 --> 00:20:28,422 Matthew was never very interested in photography, 218 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:34,886 and at the time, it seemed be more passionate. 219 00:20:38,473 --> 00:20:43,353 Mathew came to me, very interested in learning about photography, 220 00:20:43,388 --> 00:20:48,108 So, I was happy to be able to teaching, that's what I do. 221 00:20:48,143 --> 00:20:51,326 He questioned me about everything, 222 00:20:51,361 --> 00:20:55,261 from equipment, techniques, exposure. 223 00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:59,161 He had a way, So I hired him. 224 00:21:24,645 --> 00:21:30,776 Mathew, can you tell me something about the photos of the backyard you took? 225 00:21:30,811 --> 00:21:35,548 Yes, actually I have photographed the same thing, 226 00:21:35,583 --> 00:21:40,285 with the same composition, for four years. 227 00:21:40,327 --> 00:21:45,645 It's just a photo of the backyard with the hills in the distance, 228 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,963 It's a project I started, when we got back here. 229 00:21:51,713 --> 00:21:55,509 And what was different in the photo, on April 28th? 230 00:21:56,677 --> 00:22:01,014 Well, it was the same photo, 231 00:22:01,049 --> 00:22:02,641 but... 232 00:22:02,975 --> 00:22:08,605 it looked like Alice was leaning against the fence. 233 00:22:16,488 --> 00:22:19,658 Do you remember what the reaction at home, at the time? 234 00:22:20,409 --> 00:22:23,203 I will not say that the atmosphere was good, but... 235 00:22:23,328 --> 00:22:25,372 it was better than before. 236 00:22:25,664 --> 00:22:27,499 It was something, like... 237 00:22:27,708 --> 00:22:32,713 as if that had us given something to focus on. 238 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:42,014 The photos were taken on the day April 3rd, and we revealed it on the 4th, 239 00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:44,975 and I saw them on the 5th, I think. 240 00:22:45,309 --> 00:22:50,439 I saw the dam, the water level, and I was satisfied but... 241 00:22:50,564 --> 00:22:54,234 There was something back there that my wife noticed. 242 00:22:54,269 --> 00:22:57,904 There was something deep down, That's when she appeared. 243 00:23:12,085 --> 00:23:15,464 When I first saw the photo, I didn't know what to look for. 244 00:23:15,756 --> 00:23:22,012 The image was quite disturbing, because she really looked like Alice. 245 00:23:23,472 --> 00:23:27,059 It was a very disturbing photo, 246 00:23:31,355 --> 00:23:35,275 and I was convinced that Alice was still alive. 247 00:23:41,782 --> 00:23:46,954 I didn't have a rational explanation to what was in these photos. 248 00:23:47,579 --> 00:23:51,500 But I knew something about Alice that June didn't know. 249 00:23:51,875 --> 00:23:54,378 I saw Alice's body. 250 00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:57,673 I didn't think she was alive. 251 00:23:58,882 --> 00:24:00,759 I knew better. 252 00:24:01,259 --> 00:24:05,013 I was convinced that Russell made a mistake. 253 00:24:05,681 --> 00:24:09,726 He himself said that the body looked like anyone else's. 254 00:24:11,895 --> 00:24:16,191 June was right that I had committed a mistake, and I began to doubt it. 255 00:24:16,817 --> 00:24:21,703 Maybe I was already sure... 256 00:24:21,738 --> 00:24:25,575 which was Alice's body, before even seeing her. 257 00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:29,705 The circumstances were so convincing, 258 00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:34,084 that I decided it was really her. 259 00:24:35,752 --> 00:24:40,257 After three months of the funeral by Alice Palmer, in Ararat, 260 00:24:40,632 --> 00:24:43,927 his parents asked him his body was exhumed, 261 00:24:43,962 --> 00:24:45,602 of the municipal cemetery. 262 00:24:45,637 --> 00:24:51,727 The Palmers had doubts about veracity of body identification. 263 00:24:51,977 --> 00:24:56,064 June and Russell Palmer They asked for a DNA test. 264 00:24:56,189 --> 00:25:00,027 They were no longer sure that the The identified body was actually Alice's. 265 00:25:01,153 --> 00:25:05,198 Alice's body was exhumed, in the presence of the funeral director, 266 00:25:05,233 --> 00:25:08,952 Dr. Slatter and a coroner representative. 267 00:25:09,286 --> 00:25:11,747 Then he was taken to the Ararat hospital, 268 00:25:11,872 --> 00:25:14,249 where they took DNA samples. 269 00:25:14,583 --> 00:25:17,753 And she stayed there, until the results come out. 270 00:25:21,923 --> 00:25:27,638 A few days later, we received the copy of the coroner's preliminary report, 271 00:25:28,221 --> 00:25:34,269 and the identification of Alice was confirmed by DNA. 272 00:25:35,979 --> 00:25:40,921 Only even after identification, of Alice's body 273 00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:45,864 that I realized how I believed that it might not be her. 274 00:25:46,907 --> 00:25:52,955 I don't know how to say how I wanted that it was a terrible mistake, 275 00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:55,624 even though it's mine. 276 00:25:55,999 --> 00:26:00,253 I really wanted it to be another child in the dam, 277 00:26:00,288 --> 00:26:02,589 a fugitive, a murder victim, 278 00:26:02,631 --> 00:26:06,885 anyone else's daughter, as long as it wasn't mine. 279 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,845 As long as it wasn't Alice. 280 00:26:52,472 --> 00:26:56,018 Alice was buried, three days later on June 7th. 281 00:26:58,228 --> 00:27:04,484 But the questions continued, who or what appeared in the photos. 282 00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:29,885 - Well, I kept hearing things... - What did you listen to? 283 00:27:29,926 --> 00:27:35,015 I still heard sounds. Strange sounds in the hallway. 284 00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:41,063 So I prepared the camera, to see if... 285 00:27:41,098 --> 00:27:43,649 if I saw anything. 286 00:27:44,024 --> 00:27:47,319 Mathew's Video Scene June 13, 2006 287 00:28:06,838 --> 00:28:09,633 On the first night... 288 00:28:09,841 --> 00:28:13,887 I looked at the recording and there was someone, 289 00:28:13,929 --> 00:28:17,432 moving, from the room... 290 00:28:17,467 --> 00:28:20,936 to the door, in the hallway. 291 00:28:32,155 --> 00:28:35,492 Are you listening to Boyd radio, it's 8:02 p.m. 292 00:28:35,527 --> 00:28:40,330 I'm Helen Bath and we are here with... 293 00:28:40,365 --> 00:28:42,297 We have Margie on the line, right? 294 00:28:42,332 --> 00:28:44,793 Hi Margie, how are you? How can we help you? 295 00:28:48,755 --> 00:28:53,760 It was at that time that I decided See Ray for advice. 296 00:28:54,177 --> 00:28:57,729 I always heard Ray on the radio, for years. 297 00:28:57,764 --> 00:29:02,394 Opinions have always been divided, some believed, 298 00:29:02,429 --> 00:29:04,486 others not so much. 299 00:29:04,521 --> 00:29:08,025 - We have Annie on the line. - Hello Annie, how are you? 300 00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:13,155 - Not so well Ray, thanks for answering, - No problem, how can I help? 301 00:29:13,947 --> 00:29:16,742 I would like some common advice. 302 00:29:17,576 --> 00:29:20,586 Ordinary, not a doctor? 303 00:29:20,621 --> 00:29:24,916 I am of Hungarian origin, my parents They came here when it was young. 304 00:29:26,043 --> 00:29:29,504 I have a 15 year old daughter who lives with his mother, in southern Australia. 305 00:29:29,921 --> 00:29:34,051 My baptismal name is Zsolt, but I changed it to Ray. 306 00:29:34,384 --> 00:29:37,054 I think it's a better name reliable for a medium. 307 00:29:39,598 --> 00:29:42,517 The most Wanted from Australia. 308 00:29:45,228 --> 00:29:49,281 What I do is deal with patients, 309 00:29:49,316 --> 00:29:53,285 or those who are about to die, � 1/3 of patients. 310 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,158 They don't conform that death is simply the end, 311 00:29:59,785 --> 00:30:05,082 which is the grand finale. And it is the consolation, which I'm happy to give them, 312 00:30:05,374 --> 00:30:08,669 considering that what happens after death will happen anyway. 313 00:30:08,704 --> 00:30:14,257 Is there someone, close by, who Haven't been there for a while. 314 00:30:15,133 --> 00:30:21,223 Someone who will come back into your life, someone who will bring you comfort. 315 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:27,646 - Anyone similar? - Yes, I can think of someone like that. 316 00:30:27,681 --> 00:30:30,906 Look, I don't want that sees problems, 317 00:30:30,941 --> 00:30:33,951 I believe that this person that's coming back to you 318 00:30:33,986 --> 00:30:39,032 It will make a lot of differences, and will be of great support to you. 319 00:30:39,199 --> 00:30:41,243 Thank you Ray. 320 00:30:42,035 --> 00:30:43,912 Bye, Annie. 321 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,890 Where I come from, when someone dies, we covered the mirrors in the house, 322 00:31:03,925 --> 00:31:07,769 so that the dead can't come back. 323 00:31:07,811 --> 00:31:10,731 Things like that, they don't make a difference. 324 00:31:18,405 --> 00:31:21,241 Hi Annie, I'm Ray. 325 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,167 Are you okay? 326 00:31:32,544 --> 00:31:35,255 You're not going to die, Annie. 327 00:31:36,214 --> 00:31:39,593 It's just the beginning of something new. 328 00:31:40,510 --> 00:31:42,763 Thanks. 329 00:31:49,853 --> 00:31:53,023 I liked Ray immediately. He's not what I expected, 330 00:31:53,058 --> 00:31:55,324 I don't know what I I really expected... 331 00:31:55,359 --> 00:32:00,113 but there was nothing scary or fake in it. 332 00:32:11,541 --> 00:32:13,794 Are you ready? 333 00:32:17,673 --> 00:32:19,890 I usually record my sessions, 334 00:32:19,925 --> 00:32:23,136 so they can be reviewed by customers. 335 00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:27,266 Especially those who have trances or hypnosis involved. 336 00:32:28,225 --> 00:32:30,936 I have a copy for myself and a copy for them. 337 00:32:31,061 --> 00:32:33,195 Better safe than sorry. 338 00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:38,986 You are outside your home. Tell me what you see. 339 00:32:43,824 --> 00:32:47,703 My house is a white house. 340 00:32:48,412 --> 00:32:51,581 I'm on the side from the front door. 341 00:32:51,915 --> 00:32:56,962 I want you to go inside the house, walking calmly through it. 342 00:32:56,997 --> 00:33:00,215 I want you describe what you see. 343 00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,970 And tell me where you are. Give me an idea of ​​where it is. 344 00:33:16,607 --> 00:33:22,738 Okay... I walk down the hall, towards Alice's room. 345 00:33:27,367 --> 00:33:29,453 What do you see? 346 00:33:29,494 --> 00:33:33,498 I see the shoes of Alice outside the room. 347 00:33:35,792 --> 00:33:38,420 And what does that tell you, June? 348 00:33:42,507 --> 00:33:46,219 She always left her shoes outside the room. 349 00:33:48,639 --> 00:33:51,558 So I want you to see up to her room now. 350 00:33:52,017 --> 00:33:55,062 Open the door and go inside. 351 00:33:55,354 --> 00:33:59,983 Do you feel safe enough to enter Alice's room. 352 00:34:02,653 --> 00:34:04,571 Open the door. 353 00:34:08,033 --> 00:34:10,535 I'm going into her room. 354 00:34:24,633 --> 00:34:27,302 You're seeing something, aren't you? 355 00:34:28,261 --> 00:34:30,430 Tell me what you see, June. 356 00:34:35,644 --> 00:34:40,899 Alice is sitting on the chair at the end of your bed. 357 00:34:49,491 --> 00:34:51,660 She looks sad. 358 00:34:56,581 --> 00:34:59,668 I met Ray the night I June brought him to dinner 359 00:34:59,703 --> 00:35:02,879 after your first consultation. 360 00:35:03,005 --> 00:35:07,467 I was completely indifferent to mediumship. I didn't have a right position. 361 00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:14,224 I didn't want to participate much in the dinner. But I didn't want to make June upset. 362 00:35:15,934 --> 00:35:21,607 He was kind, not at all scary and I behaved very well. 363 00:35:22,232 --> 00:35:25,242 A few days later, maybe a week, 364 00:35:25,277 --> 00:35:28,697 I suggested to the family, do a séance. 365 00:35:29,031 --> 00:35:33,952 June really wanted to, but I remember Russell refused. 366 00:35:34,369 --> 00:35:36,795 I think Mathew made him change his mind. 367 00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:40,667 Mathew, how did you feel about doing a séance at your house? 368 00:35:42,878 --> 00:35:46,555 At the time, I was interested... 369 00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:52,220 a little curious. My father doesn't I was liking the idea. 370 00:35:52,255 --> 00:35:57,184 But I thought it would be interesting. 371 00:35:57,809 --> 00:35:59,902 And I suggested that let's film ourselves... 372 00:35:59,937 --> 00:36:05,025 and I filmed with my camera, a PT9. 373 00:36:08,904 --> 00:36:14,034 I feel strange presence in the house... 374 00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:21,666 I think we all thought that the session was valid. 375 00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:26,004 Ray didn't really achieve anything, no signal or anything. 376 00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:29,633 So after an hour we decided to stop. 377 00:36:30,384 --> 00:36:33,435 Until the next day... 378 00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:37,140 when Mathew was reviewing the footage... 379 00:36:37,175 --> 00:36:40,602 and there was a picture of Alice. 380 00:37:03,208 --> 00:37:07,921 This footage was completely different from the other footage. 381 00:37:08,463 --> 00:37:13,385 First, it was much more detailed and therefore less ambiguous. 382 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,014 And it was impossible consider that... 383 00:37:17,723 --> 00:37:23,270 a coincidence, a game of shadows, digital interference... 384 00:37:25,022 --> 00:37:31,153 There was something inexplicable about our home. Without a doubt. 385 00:37:34,323 --> 00:37:36,450 I was worried. 386 00:37:36,992 --> 00:37:40,412 This was a territory new to me... 387 00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,415 but I had seen this before. 388 00:38:01,141 --> 00:38:06,730 Ray asked Mathew install 3 cameras inside the house... 389 00:38:06,765 --> 00:38:11,193 and set them to record 24 hours a day. 390 00:38:12,653 --> 00:38:18,909 There was a lot of speculation about Ray and what he was doing there. 391 00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:25,165 Of course in everything people don't You know, there's a lot of talk and speculation. 392 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,790 I heard rumors in July that video recordings, 393 00:38:28,825 --> 00:38:32,792 which were from "operations" from inside the house. 394 00:38:32,827 --> 00:38:36,760 But I was skeptical myself regarding legitimacy. 395 00:38:37,052 --> 00:38:42,015 - And your idea about Ray? - Also very skeptical. 396 00:38:42,099 --> 00:38:44,524 They thought I was a kind of mystic, 397 00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,145 who hypnotized the Palmers to steal money, 398 00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:50,107 inventing any thing about Alice. 399 00:38:52,401 --> 00:38:56,321 Mathew, particularly, he seemed to try very hard. 400 00:39:02,077 --> 00:39:06,123 I thought I could help this young, being present. 401 00:39:09,084 --> 00:39:12,302 But my biggest motivation he was professional. 402 00:39:12,337 --> 00:39:16,508 There was something going on inside the house and I wanted to find out what it was. 403 00:40:11,855 --> 00:40:14,691 What was your reaction to these images? 404 00:40:15,776 --> 00:40:19,279 They left me completely shocked. 405 00:40:20,489 --> 00:40:23,784 But before we had time to know what they meant, 406 00:40:23,819 --> 00:40:26,411 this video appeared. 407 00:40:27,204 --> 00:40:29,122 - Is it good? - Yes, it's great. 408 00:40:29,157 --> 00:40:31,083 Can I see? 409 00:40:32,542 --> 00:40:36,803 Cathy and Doug Withers were in reserve... 410 00:40:36,838 --> 00:40:40,133 on the same day as the photo of Bob Smeet was taken. 411 00:40:51,937 --> 00:40:55,357 It was a few months later, at the end of July, 412 00:40:55,392 --> 00:40:58,033 when we were... 413 00:40:58,068 --> 00:41:02,197 watching the recording from that day... 414 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,040 and it kind of went through... 415 00:41:05,075 --> 00:41:09,788 a figure on the back who we identified as Bob Smeet. 416 00:41:10,831 --> 00:41:17,087 Which was interesting because It was the same day he was there... 417 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:20,465 when he captured the image that everyone was talking. 418 00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,757 So we started looking at all the footage 419 00:41:23,792 --> 00:41:27,014 to see if we had I get the figure too. 420 00:41:27,264 --> 00:41:30,642 Maybe our camera saw the same figure that his saw. 421 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:34,813 And we found a figure in the background, 422 00:41:34,848 --> 00:41:38,317 like the image that he had described. 423 00:41:38,775 --> 00:41:43,196 And we look closer and Doug zoomed in. 424 00:41:43,488 --> 00:41:47,249 I increased it on the computer and... 425 00:41:47,284 --> 00:41:53,040 we saw what it looked like a woman in the distance. 426 00:41:53,457 --> 00:41:59,713 Closer we can see who is neither a woman nor Alice. 427 00:42:00,047 --> 00:42:02,257 It was Mathew. 428 00:42:04,509 --> 00:42:06,970 - Do you believe in ghosts? - No... no... 429 00:42:11,516 --> 00:42:14,686 This is where I was when Bob Smeet's photo was taken. 430 00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:17,613 I was wearing Alice's coat... 431 00:42:17,648 --> 00:42:22,611 and I saw a guy on top of the hill which in the end was Bob Smeet. 432 00:42:22,646 --> 00:42:27,164 And I didn't want to be in the photo. 433 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:31,168 So I walked by among the bushes. 434 00:42:31,203 --> 00:42:37,417 I didn't see the couple that was there filming, who were the Withers. 435 00:42:41,463 --> 00:42:44,799 When this came to light, my father came to me and... 436 00:42:44,834 --> 00:42:48,758 asked if I was involved in other things. 437 00:42:48,793 --> 00:42:52,683 And I wouldn't lie to him. So I told you everything. 438 00:42:59,898 --> 00:43:02,943 I explained to my father that I was responsible 439 00:43:02,978 --> 00:43:05,953 by Alice's image in the hallway and in the bedroom. 440 00:43:05,988 --> 00:43:11,743 And that I created the photo on the 28th of April with a photo of Alice. 441 00:43:12,786 --> 00:43:14,705 I told him how I did it. 442 00:43:15,622 --> 00:43:19,960 I took two photos, one from Alice and one from the backyard... 443 00:43:19,995 --> 00:43:23,178 and superimposed the images. 444 00:43:23,213 --> 00:43:25,430 This is the photo I had from Alice. 445 00:43:25,465 --> 00:43:29,726 My mother always said to exhume Alice's body. 446 00:43:29,761 --> 00:43:34,558 She always had this idea that my father did not identify the body correctly. 447 00:43:34,641 --> 00:43:38,395 And I knew that with more evidence that wouldn't happen. So I... 448 00:43:38,895 --> 00:43:41,064 I took the photo. 449 00:43:44,818 --> 00:43:47,863 I used an old video of Alice. 450 00:43:48,864 --> 00:43:54,911 And I put it to pass with the TV on the shelf... 451 00:43:54,995 --> 00:43:59,353 and it was just reflecting in the mirror. 452 00:43:59,388 --> 00:44:03,677 And the reflection appeared in the mirror, which was smaller. 453 00:44:03,712 --> 00:44:08,133 So I cut the edges from TV and that's what I filmed. 454 00:44:08,168 --> 00:44:10,350 Same thing in kitchen and bedroom. 455 00:44:10,385 --> 00:44:15,349 So basically what you see is the reflection of the TV image in the mirror. 456 00:44:24,274 --> 00:44:27,986 I didn't do this to deceive people. 457 00:44:29,029 --> 00:44:31,698 I thought something it was better than nothing. 458 00:44:32,282 --> 00:44:35,953 Do you think what Did it make it worse for June? 459 00:44:43,251 --> 00:44:45,045 I think... 460 00:44:47,339 --> 00:44:50,592 yes, probably it was harder for her, 461 00:44:50,627 --> 00:44:53,679 but that wasn't my intention. 462 00:44:56,056 --> 00:45:01,812 I'm not sure about his reasons. 463 00:45:02,145 --> 00:45:04,898 I don't know if I... 464 00:45:06,024 --> 00:45:07,901 totally... 465 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,741 I don't want to say I don't believe totally in what he says... 466 00:45:14,776 --> 00:45:18,877 but I'm not convinced... 467 00:45:18,912 --> 00:45:22,249 that he really know why you did it. 468 00:45:27,004 --> 00:45:33,010 When everything appeared, people wanted the story in books, magazines, 469 00:45:33,045 --> 00:45:35,637 everywhere. 470 00:45:37,431 --> 00:45:39,725 We didn't know how to deal with it. 471 00:45:41,393 --> 00:45:47,065 We had to protect Matt, protect ourselves, the memory of Alice. 472 00:45:47,608 --> 00:45:51,034 We didn't have experience in dealing 473 00:45:51,069 --> 00:45:54,280 with this kind of interest, in such personal things 474 00:45:54,315 --> 00:45:57,492 and that they wanted to make incredibly public. 475 00:45:57,909 --> 00:46:01,622 The Palmers weren't very right now. 476 00:46:01,657 --> 00:46:05,542 I think it was really bad, very difficult. 477 00:46:07,336 --> 00:46:13,383 That was the end of hope, for all of us, especially June. 478 00:46:14,301 --> 00:46:17,679 She wasn't ready to let Alice go. 479 00:46:20,974 --> 00:46:24,436 She wanted to hold on to her a little more. 480 00:46:26,104 --> 00:46:31,944 And I don't think she would admit it, but she was devastated. 481 00:46:42,162 --> 00:46:47,960 She was an interesting girl. He didn't seem to get along so well with June. 482 00:46:47,995 --> 00:46:49,676 I think this is a bit how wrong. 483 00:46:49,711 --> 00:46:53,340 It was interesting that the two don't get along so well. 484 00:46:56,051 --> 00:47:00,639 They were always very similar and you could see that Alice pulled... 485 00:47:00,847 --> 00:47:03,892 It takes a lot after June, but... 486 00:47:04,268 --> 00:47:09,064 other things became clear after Alice's death, 487 00:47:09,481 --> 00:47:15,696 such as the desire for privacy that the two shared. 488 00:47:18,073 --> 00:47:23,557 June always kept a lot for herself... 489 00:47:23,592 --> 00:47:29,042 and it seemed clear that this It happened to Alice too. 490 00:47:29,584 --> 00:47:31,885 They had a sense of privacy, 491 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,090 a sense that they have the their own private life that... 492 00:47:35,125 --> 00:47:39,886 that they chose to share or not to share, I guess. 493 00:47:44,766 --> 00:47:49,313 It's wonderful when a child comes and you have new experiences, 494 00:47:49,348 --> 00:47:53,918 but you always Do you have any doubts if you are... 495 00:47:53,953 --> 00:47:58,488 doing enough or the right thing. 496 00:48:00,657 --> 00:48:04,703 And I was blind, thinking that it was coming from me. 497 00:48:05,078 --> 00:48:07,789 Maybe it came from my mother. 498 00:48:09,374 --> 00:48:13,712 I've never been able to... 499 00:48:14,129 --> 00:48:17,424 I've never been able to give me completely... 500 00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:20,928 for June. 501 00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:25,933 I think June is a little like that too. 502 00:48:26,558 --> 00:48:30,395 She couldn't give herself entirely for Alice. 503 00:48:37,778 --> 00:48:41,448 I hope Alice knows how much I loved her. 504 00:48:42,032 --> 00:48:45,786 I think I took one step back little when she grew up. 505 00:48:48,121 --> 00:48:52,292 That would be the saddest thing. If she didn't know. 506 00:49:01,468 --> 00:49:04,888 Ray suggested that Mathew accompany him 507 00:49:04,923 --> 00:49:08,774 on one of your trips, 508 00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:14,940 while making some inquiries and we thought it would be good for him. 509 00:49:35,711 --> 00:49:41,550 I think I realized when I was far away, how much I missed Alice. 510 00:49:41,585 --> 00:49:46,305 And that I can never talk to her again. 511 00:49:47,472 --> 00:49:52,311 I believe that is what Ray's customers are looking for. 512 00:49:52,346 --> 00:49:55,397 They want to talk to someone or make contact 513 00:49:55,432 --> 00:50:00,277 with someone they lost, just like me. 514 00:50:00,819 --> 00:50:06,241 So I really He was a client of Ray's. 515 00:50:10,746 --> 00:50:13,540 Will I get you right? Let's see what happens. 516 00:50:14,082 --> 00:50:16,543 What do you think will happen? It will hit me, 517 00:50:16,578 --> 00:50:19,004 and I will be angry. This is what will happen. No! 518 00:50:20,339 --> 00:50:22,049 Careful. 519 00:50:22,424 --> 00:50:26,511 - What are you doing in my room? - I don't know. 520 00:50:50,744 --> 00:50:56,875 When Ray and I travel, we leave the 2 rented cameras in the hallway. 521 00:50:57,751 --> 00:51:01,421 I was sure that still there was something in the house. 522 00:51:02,089 --> 00:51:07,761 And obviously, as we stayed 3 days Far away, we couldn't change the tapes, 523 00:51:07,796 --> 00:51:12,814 then we could do 1 day and a half of filming, 524 00:51:12,849 --> 00:51:19,022 but we left them running and we returned on August 22nd. 525 00:51:19,057 --> 00:51:22,526 And at that point we we checked the tapes. 526 00:51:46,717 --> 00:51:51,555 Only Russell and I were home when these images were recorded. 527 00:51:51,590 --> 00:51:54,141 Matthew couldn't have nothing to do with them. 528 00:51:56,184 --> 00:52:00,897 They seemed to prove that they had a ghost in our house. 529 00:52:01,398 --> 00:52:03,275 Alice's ghost. 530 00:52:11,158 --> 00:52:13,243 Do you believe in ghosts? 531 00:52:14,661 --> 00:52:17,539 I didn't believe it, but... 532 00:52:19,499 --> 00:52:23,170 It is difficult to prove it or not. 533 00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:32,679 I think... yeah, sometimes I think that they can exist. 534 00:52:34,348 --> 00:52:39,394 There are ghosts everywhere. It's a scary world. 535 00:52:40,103 --> 00:52:44,114 I don't know how it can be important to people 536 00:52:44,149 --> 00:52:48,320 deal with your losses by inventing stories about ghosts or something else. 537 00:52:53,367 --> 00:52:59,623 I was in doubt about everything. So, I reviewed all the footage that came before, 538 00:52:59,665 --> 00:53:03,669 all materials made in house, involving Alice's death. 539 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,388 So when I was reviewing the material of Alice in the corridor made by Matthew, 540 00:53:14,423 --> 00:53:18,357 notei algo na imagem. 541 00:53:18,392 --> 00:53:22,646 There was a second person. N�o era Mathew in the hallway, but someone else... 542 00:53:23,021 --> 00:53:25,899 que estava no escuro, no quarto da Alice. 543 00:53:26,692 --> 00:53:28,694 At first I thought it was Alice, 544 00:53:30,404 --> 00:53:35,367 but then I realized it was our neighbor, Brett Toohey. 545 00:53:38,370 --> 00:53:41,665 O Cofre de Alice Setembro de 2006 546 00:53:43,208 --> 00:53:47,421 What was this man doing in my house, in my daughter's room, 547 00:53:47,456 --> 00:53:49,965 after 6 months of his death? 548 00:53:56,763 --> 00:54:01,476 When I discovered Alice's safe, knew exactly why he was there. 549 00:54:05,439 --> 00:54:07,608 He was looking for the tape. 550 00:54:10,485 --> 00:54:12,529 � isso. 551 00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:20,579 The Toohey Video 552 00:54:36,678 --> 00:54:39,640 - They are our only friends. - It's on Sundays. 553 00:54:39,675 --> 00:54:42,059 They were so, so... Weren't those wonderful days? 554 00:54:42,094 --> 00:54:43,477 Yes. 555 00:54:43,518 --> 00:54:46,083 - �, those were cool days. - Yes, they were. 556 00:54:46,118 --> 00:54:48,649 You brought anything for me? 557 00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:52,402 Alice started working as a nanny for the Tooheys in 2002. 558 00:54:52,819 --> 00:54:55,781 And she continued for the following 2 and a half years. 559 00:54:56,114 --> 00:54:59,701 Their children had 5 and 9 years old. 560 00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:07,376 I literally couldn't believe my eyes. 561 00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:14,299 Made me feel so sad. 562 00:55:20,138 --> 00:55:23,941 For me, the Tooheys were complicit in Alice's death. 563 00:55:23,976 --> 00:55:27,271 I think if she wasn't with them, she would come straight to us, 564 00:55:27,562 --> 00:55:29,731 and she wouldn't feel guilty. 565 00:55:30,065 --> 00:55:32,985 She wouldn't feel the weight of this secret. 566 00:55:34,027 --> 00:55:36,113 She would not be isolated. 567 00:55:39,866 --> 00:55:42,160 What do you feel for Brett now? 568 00:55:43,245 --> 00:55:45,872 If he was on the corner, I would probably strangle him. 569 00:55:47,207 --> 00:55:50,627 He seemed to be a nice guy. He knows? 570 00:55:50,662 --> 00:55:54,221 He was cool. 571 00:55:54,256 --> 00:55:57,426 He always talked to us. He wasn't needy or anything like that. 572 00:55:57,461 --> 00:56:03,307 He had a swimming pool and we used to swim there in the summer. 573 00:56:03,342 --> 00:56:07,060 So we used to go there to swim. 574 00:56:07,603 --> 00:56:11,315 I was really shocked with what happened. 575 00:56:11,350 --> 00:56:14,074 It's hard to imagine, because... 576 00:56:14,109 --> 00:56:19,114 - I had no idea that Alice... - If you were seeing someone... 577 00:56:19,489 --> 00:56:24,578 We were surprised because we didn't We expected her to do something like this. 578 00:56:28,498 --> 00:56:31,835 Why do you think Did Alice have this tape? 579 00:56:31,870 --> 00:56:35,172 Because she didn't want that they had. 580 00:56:35,672 --> 00:56:39,134 - And why? - I didn't trust them anymore, I think. 581 00:56:41,011 --> 00:56:44,389 They must have been pretty desperate to have this tape. 582 00:56:44,973 --> 00:56:48,768 From the moment they heard about Alice's death, 583 00:56:48,803 --> 00:56:52,564 lived in this constant fear for someone to find out. 584 00:56:56,234 --> 00:57:00,739 I'm glad he didn't find it. Glad he knows it's not over. 585 00:57:04,368 --> 00:57:07,329 I had a close personal relationship with the Palmers during that time, 586 00:57:07,364 --> 00:57:10,290 because I was part of the team investigation that tried to locate... 587 00:57:10,325 --> 00:57:12,960 Brett, Marissa Toohey and his family. 588 00:57:13,251 --> 00:57:17,839 Initially, we went to a city where would they be found... 589 00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:24,346 and accused but unfortunately the clues were running out. 590 00:57:24,554 --> 00:57:27,349 And the investigation stopped. 591 00:57:28,058 --> 00:57:31,853 The police told us that even if the Tooheys were caught, 592 00:57:31,937 --> 00:57:36,316 they would be free from the sentence, claiming that the sex was consensual, 593 00:57:36,692 --> 00:57:40,702 supported by evidence seen in the video. 594 00:57:40,737 --> 00:57:44,116 Jason do you know anything about the relationship between Alice and Brett? 595 00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:47,995 No. I didn't know. 596 00:57:49,204 --> 00:57:55,460 Of course not. We wouldn't be going out together if I knew. 597 00:57:56,461 --> 00:58:00,966 I thought we were very well. 598 00:58:11,518 --> 00:58:15,355 Left so many questions unanswered. 599 00:58:15,772 --> 00:58:20,360 Why was she involved with him? When did the relationship start? 600 00:58:20,694 --> 00:58:23,113 Was she in love? 601 00:58:25,407 --> 00:58:27,492 We simply don't know. 602 00:58:30,662 --> 00:58:35,167 The Tooheys sold their house and changed 6 months after Alice's death. 603 00:58:44,801 --> 00:58:46,929 Alice kept secrets. 604 00:58:47,387 --> 00:58:51,558 She maintained the fact that keep secrets secret. 605 00:58:52,809 --> 00:58:56,959 This changes the way you look at someone, I guess. 606 00:58:56,994 --> 00:59:01,109 When you discover that she hides things from you. 607 00:59:01,151 --> 00:59:05,572 I think I knew an Alice and his mother knew another, 608 00:59:05,607 --> 00:59:09,993 and that, perhaps, there was another nobody knew. Perhaps. 609 00:59:24,091 --> 00:59:27,657 I found Ray's card pasted in her diary 610 00:59:27,692 --> 00:59:31,223 on the page with the date July 12, 2005. 611 00:59:36,311 --> 00:59:40,607 - Why did you come to see me, Alice? - Do you interpret dreams? 612 00:59:41,483 --> 00:59:46,113 Sometimes. How does it feel when Do you wake up after these dreams? 613 00:59:50,909 --> 00:59:52,417 They scare me a little. 614 00:59:52,452 --> 00:59:56,123 Alice came to see me 5 months ago before dying. 615 00:59:56,415 --> 01:00:01,003 She said she heard me on the radio a few times and decided to make an appointment. 616 01:00:01,336 --> 01:00:03,589 Take a deep breath and close your eyes. 617 01:00:03,714 --> 01:00:06,800 I want you to imagine yourself outside your house. 618 01:00:06,835 --> 01:00:09,928 When you are viewing let me know. 619 01:00:16,768 --> 01:00:19,563 - Ready? - Yes. 620 01:00:20,647 --> 01:00:25,861 Now I want you to go to front door, enter the house. 621 01:00:25,896 --> 01:00:28,245 Tell me what you see and where you are. 622 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,658 Ray, why didn't you tell June Who had met Alice before? 623 01:00:33,702 --> 01:00:35,794 I didn't want hide nothing from her, 624 01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:40,751 but I needed to respond to the request of Alice to keep the meeting confidential. 625 01:00:40,786 --> 01:00:43,962 Damned if you do, damned if you don't. 626 01:00:44,421 --> 01:00:49,801 The room is right in front and turns to the right, 627 01:00:50,469 --> 01:00:55,015 and my room is in the back of the house in front of the kitchen. 628 01:00:56,391 --> 01:00:59,811 You see something different, abnormal? 629 01:01:02,439 --> 01:01:03,774 No. 630 01:01:04,274 --> 01:01:07,527 No, we couldn't trust Ray more. 631 01:01:07,562 --> 01:01:10,245 For some reason he... 632 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,409 kept this information for himself but it felt like betrayal. 633 01:01:19,998 --> 01:01:24,044 I wanted to help June and her family and I think that they wanted me to help them. 634 01:01:25,003 --> 01:01:27,965 Couldn't do that if they only knew. 635 01:01:29,216 --> 01:01:33,345 They were resentful. Mathew wouldn't even talk to me. 636 01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:37,703 I think what it hurt more than 637 01:01:37,738 --> 01:01:41,728 I didn't understand death of Alice coming. 638 01:01:42,062 --> 01:01:46,107 Looking back, It's kinda strange... 639 01:01:46,142 --> 01:01:50,153 someone so close to us, as he was. 640 01:01:52,322 --> 01:01:55,784 I think maybe he needed We just as much need it. 641 01:02:08,589 --> 01:02:11,592 Alice came to see me because she was angry. 642 01:02:12,175 --> 01:02:15,804 She was a person with problems. 643 01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:19,308 I had a dream last night. 644 01:02:19,433 --> 01:02:24,354 I was cold and wet. I felt heavy as if I were drugged. 645 01:02:24,389 --> 01:02:28,191 And when I woke up sensations did not go away. 646 01:02:28,817 --> 01:02:34,865 I was feeling sick and confused, and I started to get scared. 647 01:02:35,699 --> 01:02:38,660 I needed to see my mother to talk to her. 648 01:02:39,453 --> 01:02:44,416 I went to his room and while I stood looking at them... 649 01:02:44,451 --> 01:02:48,337 I was taken by this intense sadness. 650 01:02:49,004 --> 01:02:53,487 And the sadness turned into fear. I stood there, paralyzed by fear. 651 01:02:53,522 --> 01:02:57,971 And I realized that I didn't have nothing they could do for me. 652 01:02:58,180 --> 01:03:00,974 I've never felt so alone. 653 01:03:01,683 --> 01:03:05,270 Everything seemed so wrong... My body, 654 01:03:06,772 --> 01:03:10,275 the way things seemed. Then I realized 655 01:03:10,310 --> 01:03:13,487 that there was something wrong with me. 656 01:03:14,363 --> 01:03:18,617 I started to cry standing next to the bed. 657 01:03:49,564 --> 01:03:53,116 Lake Mungo is southwest of New South Wales, 658 01:03:53,151 --> 01:03:56,989 and it is the camp site from the school that Alice went to... 659 01:03:57,030 --> 01:04:01,159 from August 2nd to 5th, 2005. 660 01:04:04,246 --> 01:04:08,229 When she came home He said he had fun. 661 01:04:08,264 --> 01:04:12,177 I remember it well because she came home without your cell phone 662 01:04:12,212 --> 01:04:18,218 that we had bought months before and your favorite bracelet and watch. 663 01:04:20,762 --> 01:04:25,934 And other than that, she didn't speak a lot about it. 664 01:04:35,861 --> 01:04:38,739 Kim only talked about it for a year after camp. 665 01:04:38,774 --> 01:04:41,241 That I had recorded on my cell phone. 666 01:04:41,366 --> 01:04:43,535 Why did you decide tell June? 667 01:04:45,704 --> 01:04:50,500 If we didn't tell June, it would seem that we were hiding something, so... 668 01:04:51,168 --> 01:04:53,295 I don't know why... 669 01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:56,757 I don't know why but... 670 01:04:57,299 --> 01:04:59,051 why not? 671 01:05:04,097 --> 01:05:09,686 Jason told us about the shoot that the girls did at Lake Mungo. 672 01:05:17,235 --> 01:05:19,912 The girls looked so... 673 01:05:19,947 --> 01:05:23,951 happy and she she looked so lost. 674 01:05:23,992 --> 01:05:28,956 I was worried and convinced that something had happened to her. 675 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,050 Kate's photos on your cell phone, were taken later, 676 01:05:40,085 --> 01:05:43,136 when the girls they had separated. 677 01:05:51,311 --> 01:05:55,065 There was a picture of Alice, very difficult to identify, 678 01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:58,819 at the bottom of the photo, kneeling under a tree. 679 01:06:00,404 --> 01:06:05,117 Only after watching the film repeatedly, we understood what she was doing. 680 01:06:05,659 --> 01:06:07,786 She buried something. 681 01:06:11,206 --> 01:06:14,334 Do you know what Alice could have done that night? 682 01:06:15,168 --> 01:06:19,756 No, I knew she lost his cell phone... 683 01:06:20,924 --> 01:06:23,302 I knew she was angry. 684 01:06:23,635 --> 01:06:28,098 Well, that was pretty obvious. But I didn't know the real reason she was mad. 685 01:06:29,182 --> 01:06:33,145 She didn't say they saw something, She didn't really tell me anything. 686 01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:37,316 I didn't take it much seriously at that time. 687 01:06:37,899 --> 01:06:42,321 I was convinced that we were having fun 688 01:06:42,356 --> 01:06:45,157 and out of nowhere she got upset. 689 01:06:55,876 --> 01:07:01,340 It started innocently, Alice left the group 690 01:07:01,375 --> 01:07:05,385 and walked around alone. 691 01:07:06,803 --> 01:07:10,390 But it was obvious that some thing was distressing her. 692 01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:14,978 And we were trying find out what it was. 693 01:07:18,565 --> 01:07:21,860 Lake Mungo February 2007 694 01:07:31,662 --> 01:07:35,582 We understand over the phone, that she had buried something. 695 01:07:35,874 --> 01:07:42,130 We had no idea where the tree was, because of the poor video quality. 696 01:07:43,674 --> 01:07:46,558 We didn't go during the day, because 697 01:07:46,593 --> 01:07:52,140 we don't want to go where the tourists were. 698 01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:57,062 So we decided to go at night. 699 01:08:13,662 --> 01:08:17,256 June and I started digging, and... 700 01:08:17,291 --> 01:08:21,169 after a while she found something, 701 01:08:21,204 --> 01:08:23,380 and placed it in a plastic bag. 702 01:08:23,672 --> 01:08:29,219 And in that plastic bag there was Alice's bracelet, 703 01:08:29,254 --> 01:08:31,722 the ring, the watch and the cell phone. 704 01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:39,396 Your most precious things, buried here on a school camp. 705 01:08:39,730 --> 01:08:42,065 And we didn't know Why did she do that? 706 01:08:42,524 --> 01:08:47,779 We knew from the video that she buried something but not what it was. 707 01:08:51,033 --> 01:08:52,576 No battery. 708 01:08:52,951 --> 01:08:58,290 Alice's cell phone recording Lake Mungo, August 5, 2005 709 01:09:11,428 --> 01:09:13,555 Are you afraid of dying? 710 01:09:15,015 --> 01:09:17,559 Yes, of course I do fear of dying. 711 01:09:17,594 --> 01:09:19,895 Who isn't afraid of dying? 712 01:09:25,067 --> 01:09:28,654 Would you like to tell me what Does it happen in those dreams? 713 01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:35,619 I feel like something bad would happen to me. 714 01:09:36,536 --> 01:09:38,914 I feel like something bad had already happened. 715 01:09:39,915 --> 01:09:42,918 It hasn't hit me yet, but it's coming. 716 01:09:45,963 --> 01:09:48,006 And it's closer. 717 01:09:49,466 --> 01:09:55,722 And I'm not ready, it seems that I can't do anything. 718 01:10:08,485 --> 01:10:14,741 At a certain point this figure came from the darkness to her. 719 01:10:15,575 --> 01:10:18,877 I recognized that face as soon as I saw the video. 720 01:10:18,912 --> 01:10:24,334 It was the same face as the body that I identified that day. 721 01:10:25,252 --> 01:10:28,589 It was Alice's body and Alice's face. 722 01:10:35,637 --> 01:10:41,226 There is absolutely no no rational explanation, 723 01:10:41,261 --> 01:10:46,982 for what she saw that farm. 724 01:11:43,872 --> 01:11:50,045 I am convinced that the Alice knew she was going to die. 725 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,422 I am convinced of this. 726 01:11:54,299 --> 01:11:59,263 I think that photo at Lake Mungo It was a bad omen for her. 727 01:11:59,513 --> 01:12:05,769 Burying your things it was symbolic, it was a ritual. 728 01:12:09,523 --> 01:12:13,235 I wasn't convinced that Alice believed she was going to die. 729 01:12:13,527 --> 01:12:16,571 She had morbid thoughts, Of course, but who doesn't? 730 01:12:17,364 --> 01:12:21,952 She had nightmares that left her disturbed and made her consult Ray. 731 01:12:25,914 --> 01:12:30,085 I don't know if anyone could be convinced that he will die. 732 01:12:33,505 --> 01:12:37,801 And as for the images of Lake Mungo, How could Alice explain them? 733 01:12:38,385 --> 01:12:40,887 How could she explain them? 734 01:12:46,810 --> 01:12:49,396 I think Ali saw a ghost. 735 01:12:50,355 --> 01:12:53,817 But she didn't notice that it was herself. 736 01:12:54,276 --> 01:12:56,410 I believe she filmed a ghost. 737 01:12:56,445 --> 01:13:01,158 I believe she filmed the future that would happen to him. 738 01:13:17,716 --> 01:13:20,928 We found out about the Tooheys, 739 01:13:21,261 --> 01:13:24,264 Ray and what happened at Lake Mungo. 740 01:13:25,182 --> 01:13:28,727 And when we returned home... 741 01:13:29,561 --> 01:13:35,776 the house looked different, she was calm. 742 01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:50,791 I think Alice wanted us we knew more about her. 743 01:13:50,958 --> 01:13:55,462 She wanted us to know who she really was. 744 01:13:56,296 --> 01:14:01,260 Before she could leave. 745 01:14:08,058 --> 01:14:12,354 In the weeks and months after from Lake Mungo, we return to... 746 01:14:12,389 --> 01:14:14,898 feel like one family again. 747 01:14:15,524 --> 01:14:20,112 It was difficult but it was the best thing to do... 748 01:14:20,147 --> 01:14:24,700 and despite everything We were a family. 749 01:14:31,832 --> 01:14:34,960 - Good to see you. - You too, come in. 750 01:14:35,294 --> 01:14:39,596 Ray called suddenly and I said I would stop by the city... 751 01:14:39,631 --> 01:14:43,885 and asked if there would be any problem if he came to visit us. 752 01:14:44,595 --> 01:14:47,271 Six months have passed and... 753 01:14:47,306 --> 01:14:53,186 Given the circumstances, I thought that it couldn't do any harm. 754 01:14:57,649 --> 01:15:01,278 We all feel that, after Lake Mungo, 755 01:15:01,528 --> 01:15:05,699 it would be better for us to be as as close to people as possible. 756 01:15:06,325 --> 01:15:12,122 For Ray it was different, he had the very way to find peace. 757 01:15:17,878 --> 01:15:23,175 I thought it was strange, Alice was withdrawn so abruptly, 758 01:15:23,467 --> 01:15:27,888 and we couldn't help her, we didn't even have a chance. 759 01:15:28,347 --> 01:15:34,561 I think collectively we made the decision to continue. 760 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:42,694 And change was part of that, the decision to change. 761 01:16:00,295 --> 01:16:03,298 It will be difficult to leave the house. 762 01:16:04,424 --> 01:16:08,387 Sometimes I just I forget that... 763 01:16:08,595 --> 01:16:13,267 She... she won't come back. 764 01:16:14,476 --> 01:16:16,228 I forget. 765 01:16:38,292 --> 01:16:42,629 June's last appointment with Ray 766 01:16:48,343 --> 01:16:50,304 Close your eyes. 767 01:16:51,221 --> 01:16:54,808 Now imagine you returning to the house. 768 01:16:56,476 --> 01:16:58,270 Can you see? 769 01:17:02,441 --> 01:17:04,818 Enter the house. 770 01:17:06,820 --> 01:17:09,156 I'm going to the front door. 771 01:17:11,992 --> 01:17:13,910 And... 772 01:17:15,996 --> 01:17:19,374 I walk down the hallway to Alice's room. 773 01:17:25,172 --> 01:17:26,924 Someone is there. 774 01:17:27,799 --> 01:17:29,843 I think someone was running down the hall. 775 01:17:30,218 --> 01:17:31,803 The door is open. 776 01:17:33,931 --> 01:17:36,099 Do you know who it is? 777 01:17:47,736 --> 01:17:50,489 Do you want to join? 778 01:18:06,046 --> 01:18:08,006 What do you see? 779 01:18:08,632 --> 01:18:10,717 It's my mother. 780 01:18:11,635 --> 01:18:13,679 What did she say? 781 01:18:14,221 --> 01:18:17,933 It's not saying anything. 782 01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:26,275 I don't think she You know I'm there. 783 01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:32,072 Alice isn't here. 784 01:18:33,323 --> 01:18:35,367 She's not here. 785 01:18:36,827 --> 01:18:38,745 What else is going on? 786 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:44,251 - Talk to her, did she talk to you? - She's leaving now. 787 01:18:46,169 --> 01:18:48,088 She left the room. 788 01:18:50,799 --> 01:18:52,509 She's gone. 789 01:18:53,051 --> 01:18:55,053 Open your eyes. 790 01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:51,234 She's leaving now. 791 01:19:52,986 --> 01:19:55,030 She is leaving the room. 792 01:20:24,810 --> 01:20:26,561 She's gone. 793 01:20:57,426 --> 01:21:01,597 HELLSUBS: Subs from the Hell 794 01:21:02,639 --> 01:21:08,895 Translation: Nininha, Naty and Moicano Review: Guga-Asa