1 00:00:20,318 --> 00:00:24,318 www.titlovi.com 2 00:00:27,318 --> 00:00:30,199 Joel: In 1993, the Unabomber reappears. 3 00:00:31,614 --> 00:00:33,234 He's been gone a long time, 4 00:00:33,283 --> 00:00:35,042 and he wants to make sure 5 00:00:35,076 --> 00:00:37,036 that everyone realizes he's back. 6 00:00:38,706 --> 00:00:40,390 Newsreader: And the FBI says that a letter bomb 7 00:00:40,414 --> 00:00:41,784 was mailed to the home 8 00:00:41,834 --> 00:00:44,253 of one this country's foremost geneticists. 9 00:00:44,293 --> 00:00:47,173 He is in critical condition tonight in Northern California. 10 00:00:47,213 --> 00:00:49,134 It's a rather large shock. 11 00:00:49,173 --> 00:00:50,844 People had gotten used to the idea 12 00:00:50,884 --> 00:00:54,295 that the Unabomber would never be heard from again. 13 00:00:54,345 --> 00:00:55,926 And all of a sudden, 14 00:00:55,972 --> 00:00:58,603 he's not just back, but he is back in a big way. 15 00:00:59,976 --> 00:01:01,662 Newsreader: Dr. Epstein, a genetics researcher 16 00:01:01,686 --> 00:01:04,266 at the University of California San Francisco, 17 00:01:04,313 --> 00:01:06,403 has made advances in the study of Down's Syndrome. 18 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:07,691 And who could blame him? 19 00:01:07,734 --> 00:01:11,444 He lost his eardrums and fingers to this guy 20 00:01:11,487 --> 00:01:12,757 just because he was doing his job, 21 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:15,281 trying to help humanity. 22 00:01:15,325 --> 00:01:17,135 Newsreader: Investigators say they found no link 23 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:19,829 between the attack and Epstein's work. 24 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:22,621 As a reporter, I talked to Epstein, 25 00:01:22,665 --> 00:01:24,745 and Dr. Epstein, in particular, 26 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:27,093 was mad till the day he died, 27 00:01:27,128 --> 00:01:28,757 and I don't blame him one tiny bit. 28 00:01:55,698 --> 00:01:57,634 Newsreader: The letter bomb went off at 8:30 this morning 29 00:01:57,658 --> 00:01:59,748 at Yale's computer science center. 30 00:01:59,787 --> 00:02:02,406 38-year-old associate professor David Gelernter 31 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:04,575 was opening his mail in his fifth-floor office 32 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:06,495 when the letter bomb exploded. 33 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:08,883 So now you have two devices, 34 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:11,760 one goes to a geneticist, 35 00:02:11,799 --> 00:02:14,088 the other goes to a computer science professor 36 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:15,723 at Yale University. 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,600 The historical significance of the case 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,269 is not lost on people. 39 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:22,306 There's been nothing like this 40 00:02:22,349 --> 00:02:25,150 in FBI history. 41 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:26,646 Newsreader: The two attacks this week 42 00:02:26,687 --> 00:02:29,068 have raised fears that a serial bomber 43 00:02:29,108 --> 00:02:32,437 blamed for a dozen explosions in the late '70s and '80s 44 00:02:32,485 --> 00:02:33,816 may be back at work. 45 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:36,740 Overnight, the decision is made 46 00:02:36,781 --> 00:02:39,991 to reinvigorate the investigation 47 00:02:40,034 --> 00:02:43,034 by putting a lot of resources into it. 48 00:02:43,079 --> 00:02:45,289 They're getting thousands of tips. 49 00:02:45,331 --> 00:02:48,382 Nut cases, kinda nut cases, 50 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:49,957 people you take somewhat seriously, 51 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:52,634 and then ones who think, "Wow, maybe you got a point." 52 00:02:52,673 --> 00:02:54,883 It's exhausting. 53 00:02:54,925 --> 00:02:57,965 We're taking in so much information, 54 00:02:58,012 --> 00:03:00,972 what if something gets past us? 55 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:04,514 That was the fear we live, we live with all the time; 56 00:03:04,558 --> 00:03:06,188 that the answer has come to us 57 00:03:06,227 --> 00:03:08,146 and we've passed it by. 58 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:16,739 * Man, now what has been done * 59 00:03:17,114 --> 00:03:19,074 * Man can't stand himself * 60 00:03:19,115 --> 00:03:21,786 * Or where he's told that he belong * 61 00:03:23,370 --> 00:03:26,460 * Man don't understand * 62 00:03:26,497 --> 00:03:28,877 * Man blames everyone * 63 00:03:28,917 --> 00:03:31,917 * Everyone under the sun * 64 00:03:31,961 --> 00:03:34,382 * Tell me what has Man become * 65 00:03:35,966 --> 00:03:38,586 * Man can't help himself * 66 00:03:38,634 --> 00:03:42,175 * Don't know where he can run * 67 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:44,562 * Man can't run for help * 68 00:03:44,598 --> 00:03:48,098 * Can't stand anybody else * 69 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:51,395 * Man don't know where he's from * 70 00:03:51,438 --> 00:03:54,438 * Don't know where he belong * 71 00:03:54,484 --> 00:03:57,243 * Now would Man trade tomorrow * 72 00:03:57,277 --> 00:04:00,237 * For a time long forgotten * 73 00:04:01,699 --> 00:04:03,539 Ted: No. It was simply anger and revenge 74 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:05,326 and I was... was going to strike back. 75 00:04:06,997 --> 00:04:08,497 Try not to get blown up. 76 00:04:08,539 --> 00:04:10,669 * Man don't understand * 77 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:12,919 * What has man become * 78 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:20,987 Newsreader: Local, State, and Federal investigators 79 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:22,641 continue to work around the clock 80 00:04:22,678 --> 00:04:24,389 collecting evidence from the blast. 81 00:04:33,689 --> 00:04:35,043 FBI Agent: I would imagine it would be 82 00:04:35,067 --> 00:04:38,356 a relatively quick determination from residue 83 00:04:38,403 --> 00:04:42,283 that we can tell what kind of explosive was involved. 84 00:04:42,322 --> 00:04:45,293 He's now using a chlorate mixture that he's created 85 00:04:45,326 --> 00:04:48,326 which no longer requires a pipe 86 00:04:48,370 --> 00:04:50,331 to contain it. 87 00:04:50,372 --> 00:04:54,293 So, it explodes on its own once it's initiated. 88 00:05:39,673 --> 00:05:41,132 We have an announcement 89 00:05:41,175 --> 00:05:43,925 of a piece of evidence in the case 90 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:45,889 which has never been made public before. 91 00:05:47,096 --> 00:05:49,976 The New York Times receives a letter 92 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:52,137 from the Unabomber. 93 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:54,516 Rather short -it's a double spaced paragraph, 94 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:56,192 not a lot of words - 95 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:58,941 claiming credit for these bombings. 96 00:05:58,983 --> 00:06:00,863 Investigators at the time have hopes 97 00:06:00,901 --> 00:06:03,072 that it will provide some clues. 98 00:06:03,112 --> 00:06:05,413 So, you have the typeface, 99 00:06:05,447 --> 00:06:07,577 what kind of typewriter wrote this? 100 00:06:07,617 --> 00:06:09,906 Where did the paper come from? Can you figure that out? 101 00:06:09,952 --> 00:06:12,293 Is the paper significant in some way? 102 00:06:12,331 --> 00:06:14,581 Where it was mailed? The type of stamps? 103 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:17,593 Is there any DNA under the flap of the envelope? 104 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:19,497 Are there any fingerprints on the paper 105 00:06:19,545 --> 00:06:21,966 or on the envelope? 106 00:06:22,007 --> 00:06:23,507 None of that, there's none of that. 107 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:26,259 There's no good forensic evidence. 108 00:06:26,302 --> 00:06:30,182 What there is, on this letter, is indented writing. 109 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:31,603 The sort of impressions 110 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:35,021 which are created by writing on a surface 111 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:37,151 with a piece of paper under that surface, 112 00:06:37,189 --> 00:06:40,608 so you've left no ink marks or pencil marks, 113 00:06:40,649 --> 00:06:42,990 but you've left an indentation. 114 00:06:43,028 --> 00:06:46,408 "Call Nathan R. Wednesday, 7pm." 115 00:06:47,908 --> 00:06:51,327 This is taken by the investigators 116 00:06:51,370 --> 00:06:55,370 as a mistake that the Unabomber has made. 117 00:06:55,413 --> 00:06:57,923 Finally, he has made a mistake. 118 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,209 If any members of the public 119 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:02,463 know a Nathan R. 120 00:07:02,504 --> 00:07:06,045 Or have any idea as to who that person might be 121 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:08,103 and in what context, 122 00:07:08,136 --> 00:07:11,386 that information would be of critical importance for us. 123 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:13,350 We were looking for Nathan R.'s everywhere. 124 00:07:13,391 --> 00:07:15,231 It was crazy. 125 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:17,559 All the task force has to do 126 00:07:17,603 --> 00:07:20,194 is find every single one of them, 127 00:07:20,231 --> 00:07:24,612 and one of them will know who the Unabomber is. 128 00:07:24,651 --> 00:07:26,951 Because he's going to receive a phone call, 129 00:07:26,987 --> 00:07:29,367 on Wednesday at 7pm. 130 00:07:29,408 --> 00:07:31,947 How hard can this be, right? 131 00:07:31,992 --> 00:07:33,913 Well, it's tremendously hard. 132 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:35,374 Um... 133 00:07:35,413 --> 00:07:37,673 there are a lot of people named Nathan R. 134 00:07:37,706 --> 00:07:39,747 So, you go calling and, you know, 135 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,963 you've chased down 15 different ways 136 00:07:42,002 --> 00:07:43,673 of getting to a Nathan R. 137 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:46,012 Finally, you knock on the door and the guy says, 138 00:07:46,048 --> 00:07:48,759 you know, "Who are you? I don't care. Get lost." 139 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,552 It's... there's a lot of that 140 00:07:50,595 --> 00:07:53,055 when you're doing a story like this. 141 00:07:53,098 --> 00:07:55,637 Every Nathan R. That they could find, 142 00:07:55,682 --> 00:07:57,393 and there are thousands of them. 143 00:07:57,435 --> 00:08:00,646 We had them all interviewed to ask these questions. 144 00:08:00,687 --> 00:08:03,687 It didn't lead to a solution. 145 00:08:03,733 --> 00:08:05,822 There's a sense that he's fooling them. 146 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:07,569 He's eluding them. 147 00:08:07,612 --> 00:08:09,492 He's toying with them and taunting them. 148 00:08:09,529 --> 00:08:12,449 The pressure that the task force is under 149 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:14,742 is increased by these taunts. 150 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:29,930 Right over there was Ted's 10 by 12 cabin. 151 00:08:29,968 --> 00:08:32,677 Again, very rustic, very simple, 152 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,809 just wood cabin, no electricity, 153 00:08:34,847 --> 00:08:36,307 no running water, 154 00:08:36,350 --> 00:08:38,600 uh, with a green roof. 155 00:08:57,370 --> 00:09:00,421 It's a bit haunting, every time I come back here. 156 00:09:00,456 --> 00:09:02,826 I've never felt peaceful. 157 00:09:02,875 --> 00:09:04,785 I mean, we're surrounded by beautiful trees, 158 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:07,086 and the birds are chirping, 159 00:09:07,129 --> 00:09:09,379 but I have never, I would never use that word 160 00:09:09,423 --> 00:09:11,303 to describe how I feel in this spot. 161 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:13,222 Not... not peaceful. 162 00:09:34,323 --> 00:09:36,334 You know, a lot of people 163 00:09:36,368 --> 00:09:38,118 that have perpetrated a single murder, 164 00:09:38,161 --> 00:09:40,540 uh, regret it for the rest of their life 165 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,000 and-and will never kill again. 166 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,880 What makes the serial killer so particularly fascinating 167 00:09:45,918 --> 00:09:49,009 is they've gone through the trauma of killing someone 168 00:09:49,047 --> 00:09:50,466 and are addicted to it 169 00:09:50,506 --> 00:09:53,677 and are ready to do it again and again and again. 170 00:10:30,046 --> 00:10:32,125 The investigators are picking up 171 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:33,592 that this is an anarchist 172 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:36,513 who doesn't like environmental decimation, 173 00:10:36,552 --> 00:10:38,893 doesn't like people who-who shill 174 00:10:38,929 --> 00:10:41,929 for anti-environmentalist causes. 175 00:10:57,282 --> 00:10:58,759 Newsreader: Investigators say it was a package 176 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:00,163 sent through the mail 177 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:01,870 about the size of a home video cassette. 178 00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:05,538 It killed 50-year-old Thomas Mosser, 179 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:07,461 a senior advertising executive 180 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,671 at one of the largest ad agencies in the world. 181 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:12,549 He opens it in his kitchen, 182 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:15,759 where his wife and young daughter had been 183 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,220 standing next to him just moments before, 184 00:11:19,428 --> 00:11:21,849 uh, and he's killed instantly 185 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:25,229 by the very significant blast at this point. 186 00:11:25,268 --> 00:11:27,477 We are all today determined 187 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,941 to end the death and destruction 188 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:32,400 that these random bombings have wrought. 189 00:11:33,652 --> 00:11:37,201 The pressure to solve it is immense. 190 00:11:37,238 --> 00:11:39,158 Desperate is perhaps a... 191 00:11:39,198 --> 00:11:41,198 a fair word at that point. 192 00:11:41,241 --> 00:11:43,042 Unabomb hotline. 193 00:11:43,076 --> 00:11:44,576 Newsreader: So far thousands of tips 194 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:47,040 phoned into the San Francisco Unabomb Taskforce 195 00:11:47,081 --> 00:11:48,500 have led nowhere. 196 00:11:48,542 --> 00:11:51,251 And a one-million-dollar reward hasn't helped either. 197 00:11:51,293 --> 00:11:55,594 The phones are ringing constantly. 198 00:11:55,631 --> 00:11:58,841 We are getting thousands of calls from the public. 199 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,870 David: We don't watch TV much. 200 00:12:27,913 --> 00:12:31,423 Um, the first time I ever heard the term "Unabomber" 201 00:12:31,458 --> 00:12:34,588 was in December of 1994, 202 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:37,548 when the front page of our newspaper 203 00:12:37,591 --> 00:12:39,551 said that the Unabomber, whoever that was, 204 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:43,182 had struck again and killed an advertising executive 205 00:12:43,221 --> 00:12:46,600 by the name of Thomas Mosser in New Jersey. 206 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,520 But I'd never heard the term before. 207 00:12:49,851 --> 00:12:51,772 Ted came down here once, didn't he? 208 00:12:51,812 --> 00:12:53,522 No. -He never came here. 209 00:12:53,565 --> 00:12:56,774 No, I remember him once planning to come. 210 00:12:56,817 --> 00:12:58,817 He even told me he had a bus ticket 211 00:12:58,860 --> 00:13:01,910 and that he was going to arrive on a certain day, 212 00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:04,697 and then he decided not to come, 213 00:13:04,743 --> 00:13:07,123 and he said he had too much to do. 214 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,081 And of course, I'm thinking, too much to do? 215 00:13:09,121 --> 00:13:10,751 I mean, come on, Ted. 216 00:13:10,788 --> 00:13:12,129 What do you have to do? 217 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:14,285 And of course, at that time, 218 00:13:14,335 --> 00:13:16,664 I didn't know how... 219 00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:18,092 what he meant. 220 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:34,187 He and I had never met. 221 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:36,110 I have still never met him. 222 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:38,399 I have never, as far as I know, 223 00:13:38,442 --> 00:13:41,202 talked to him over the phone or anything like that. 224 00:13:41,236 --> 00:13:42,947 He didn't like me. 225 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:44,948 He didn't want David to marry me. 226 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:47,331 He was really furious, I guess, about the wedding 227 00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:48,697 and, of course, he didn't come. 228 00:13:50,705 --> 00:13:53,455 And he wrote a letter that was very... 229 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,380 very aggressive. 230 00:13:58,171 --> 00:14:00,380 Oh, it was really awful. 231 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:03,466 I had never met the guy 232 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:06,679 and nobody could understand why Ted was threatening 233 00:14:06,721 --> 00:14:08,770 to break connection with Dave. 234 00:14:14,645 --> 00:14:17,355 Every time David and his mother got together, 235 00:14:17,398 --> 00:14:19,227 they sat there for hours 236 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,450 talking about Ted. 237 00:14:22,486 --> 00:14:24,447 His mother was very worried about it 238 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:28,078 because Ted had cut relationships to his mother. 239 00:14:28,116 --> 00:14:30,197 So that's how I began to pick up the sense 240 00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:33,543 that he was... unusual, 241 00:14:34,707 --> 00:14:36,418 and perhaps mentally... 242 00:14:37,918 --> 00:14:40,168 you know, different. 243 00:14:41,922 --> 00:14:44,591 Linda was the first one to tell me. 244 00:14:44,634 --> 00:14:46,394 Reading some of my brother's letters, 245 00:14:46,427 --> 00:14:47,927 hearing family conversation, 246 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:51,269 she says, "David, your brother's mentally ill, 247 00:14:51,307 --> 00:14:53,726 you know that, don't you?" 248 00:14:53,768 --> 00:14:55,870 And I said, "Wait a second, you don't really understand him. 249 00:14:55,894 --> 00:14:58,014 He's a genius, he's different. 250 00:14:58,063 --> 00:14:59,524 He's ba-blah-blah..." 251 00:14:59,566 --> 00:15:01,936 "David, look at this, people who are healthy 252 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,453 in their minds don't think like this." 253 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:07,525 His basic argument is that technology is a system 254 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:08,889 that we really cannot control. 255 00:16:08,927 --> 00:16:11,216 It's causing harm to people 256 00:16:11,261 --> 00:16:13,101 and the environment. 257 00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:16,938 The stresses will increase on humans and on nature, 258 00:16:16,975 --> 00:16:19,725 and there's no way to modify or to reform the system 259 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:21,900 so as to avoid these negative outcomes. 260 00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:24,190 His conclusion is the system has to be brought to an end. 261 00:16:24,232 --> 00:16:26,572 We have to have a kind of revolution against the system, 262 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:28,110 and to stop it before it can uh... 263 00:16:28,153 --> 00:16:30,073 lead to these catastrophic outcomes. 264 00:17:02,145 --> 00:17:04,516 In 1995, the Unabomber sends another letter 265 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:06,144 to the New York Times. 266 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:09,402 It's three pages of single spaced typewriting. 267 00:17:09,444 --> 00:17:10,855 It takes credit 268 00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:13,984 for the bombing of Thomas Mosser, 269 00:17:14,032 --> 00:17:16,202 and he is indicating 270 00:17:16,242 --> 00:17:19,212 that this will continue "unless". 271 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:21,875 There's now a, a deal that's being offered. 272 00:17:21,915 --> 00:17:23,536 Newsreader: The bomber says he'll desist 273 00:17:23,584 --> 00:17:25,294 from terrorist activities 274 00:17:25,336 --> 00:17:27,546 only if major publications print a manuscript 275 00:17:27,587 --> 00:17:28,917 advocating the destruction 276 00:17:28,964 --> 00:17:31,335 of the worldwide industrial system. 277 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:34,354 He says the written document that he wants published 278 00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:37,057 will be coming forth shortly. 279 00:17:37,096 --> 00:17:39,477 Newsreader: The so-called Unabomber has now spoken out 280 00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:42,346 and taunted the FBI, calling it a joke. 281 00:17:42,394 --> 00:17:45,434 In the letter he refers to the FBI as a joke. 282 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,730 This is somewhat echoing sentiments 283 00:17:47,775 --> 00:17:50,525 that are coming from political 284 00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:53,029 and media and public circles. 285 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:56,122 He apparently has jumped on that bandwagon as well. 286 00:17:56,157 --> 00:17:58,488 Newsreader: The mysterious Unabomber is claiming 287 00:17:58,536 --> 00:17:59,945 to be part of a group, 288 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:03,036 quote "The FBI has tried to portray these bombings 289 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:05,541 as the work of an isolated nut. 290 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:08,494 We won't waste our time arguing about whether we are nuts, 291 00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:11,506 but we certainly are not isolated." 292 00:18:11,548 --> 00:18:14,429 He claims to be a group called "FC" 293 00:18:14,468 --> 00:18:16,847 and he's always very clear 294 00:18:16,887 --> 00:18:20,178 to make sure that his bombs contain FC 295 00:18:20,223 --> 00:18:22,564 somewhere in there where the FC will be found 296 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:25,102 stamped onto a piece of metal, 297 00:18:25,144 --> 00:18:26,934 or etched onto a piece of metal, 298 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:29,030 in other words, intended to survive. 299 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,240 The Unabomber suggested that part of his motivation 300 00:18:38,284 --> 00:18:41,003 had to do with concerns about the environment 301 00:18:41,037 --> 00:18:43,826 to try to portray himself as, perhaps, 302 00:18:43,873 --> 00:18:46,923 some sort of environmental crusader. 303 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,880 Around the same time, there were environmental groups 304 00:18:49,921 --> 00:18:52,421 which advocated radical solutions 305 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:54,005 to their concerns. 306 00:18:54,049 --> 00:18:56,890 So, it was somewhat of a logical extension 307 00:18:56,927 --> 00:18:59,097 that he get the task force to consider 308 00:18:59,137 --> 00:19:02,307 that perhaps he was associated with groups like that. 309 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,400 Because there was always this idea of FC 310 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:09,268 and the Freedom Club, 311 00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:10,974 I think that the Feds believed 312 00:19:11,025 --> 00:19:13,315 that there were more people involved 313 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,319 than Kaczynski himself. 314 00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:17,622 And so, they were really interested 315 00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:19,116 in letting me in there 316 00:19:19,157 --> 00:19:21,327 and letting us talk freely 317 00:19:21,367 --> 00:19:24,157 so that they could gauge whether or not 318 00:19:24,203 --> 00:19:26,794 Kaczynski was connected in any way 319 00:19:28,084 --> 00:19:30,044 to any of us in Earth First! 320 00:19:47,979 --> 00:19:49,608 Earth First! has been an organization, 321 00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:50,936 from its beginning, 322 00:19:50,981 --> 00:19:53,612 that has been dedicated to action. 323 00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:56,401 Everything from, you know, tree sitting, 324 00:19:56,444 --> 00:19:58,654 and other types of monkeywrenching, 325 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,327 and had been under suspicion 326 00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:04,747 of being tied to radical environmental terrorism. 327 00:20:39,779 --> 00:20:41,490 Yeah, the '90s was a trip. 328 00:20:41,531 --> 00:20:45,082 Soon had this slow progression of radicalism. 329 00:20:45,118 --> 00:20:48,118 And for me, I noticed it up at a... 330 00:20:48,163 --> 00:20:49,544 the mountains east of town, 331 00:20:49,582 --> 00:20:51,184 and the Earth Firsters were trying to protect 332 00:20:51,209 --> 00:20:53,209 this forest up there, which they did. 333 00:20:53,251 --> 00:20:56,761 And these Earth Firsters created a, a blockade 334 00:20:56,797 --> 00:20:58,586 to prevent loggers from coming in, 335 00:20:58,632 --> 00:21:00,721 and they won. 336 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,319 Newsreader: In the eyes of the forest service, 337 00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:04,683 this is destruction of government property, 338 00:21:04,721 --> 00:21:06,642 a federal offence, 339 00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,561 and some critics are even calling these protesters 340 00:21:09,602 --> 00:21:11,942 domestic terrorists. 341 00:21:11,979 --> 00:21:14,568 Man: Don't move your truck! Shut your truck off, man! 342 00:21:14,606 --> 00:21:16,817 Woman: There's an old woman, she's 80 years old! 343 00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:18,711 80-years-old woman locked to the back of your truck 344 00:21:18,736 --> 00:21:20,672 and you're gonna kill her. Man: He's not turning it off! 345 00:21:20,695 --> 00:21:22,155 He knows someone's locked under! 346 00:21:38,213 --> 00:21:41,304 And then when Ted came along, or the Unabomber, 347 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:44,510 and started, you know, killing people that were responsible 348 00:21:44,552 --> 00:21:46,432 for some of this kind of behavior 349 00:21:46,471 --> 00:21:48,142 that these kids didn't like, 350 00:21:48,182 --> 00:21:50,231 I think they found somebody 351 00:21:50,268 --> 00:21:53,478 that they could respect a little bit 352 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:56,150 and could understand why he was doing it. 353 00:21:56,190 --> 00:21:58,230 Protestors: * This land is my land * 354 00:21:58,276 --> 00:22:00,276 * This land is your land * 355 00:22:19,255 --> 00:22:21,005 Newsreader: The FBI is investigating 356 00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:24,087 whether the Unabomber used this so-called ecological hitlist 357 00:22:24,134 --> 00:22:26,674 to select some of his recent victims. 358 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,930 The list published in 1990 in an underground newsletter 359 00:22:29,973 --> 00:22:32,354 is made up of 11 companies and organizations 360 00:22:32,392 --> 00:22:34,152 that the publisher of the paper 361 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,227 apparently considered enemies of the environment. 362 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,730 People in the anarchist community, 363 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:43,695 they're liking the philosophy 364 00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:45,406 that they're seeing reflected in this. 365 00:22:45,447 --> 00:22:48,866 Killing innocent people walking down lonely roads, 366 00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:50,449 that's one thing. 367 00:22:50,493 --> 00:22:53,463 Killing people with a political, philosophical bent, 368 00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:54,957 this had resonance. 369 00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:06,836 Operator: Attention all units! 370 00:23:06,885 --> 00:23:08,256 Newsreader: 20 minutes after 2, 371 00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:10,894 the calm of this sunny day in downtown Sacramento 372 00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:12,520 is shattered... 373 00:23:12,557 --> 00:23:14,728 Joel: It's a terrible, terrible bombing scene. 374 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:16,268 Woman: Let me take you somewhere. 375 00:23:16,311 --> 00:23:18,652 It's hard to describe, really, the effects 376 00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:21,189 that such a thing has on a, a person, 377 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,284 but it was, it was really awful. 378 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:25,950 Um... 379 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:31,116 Uh, I'll reserve saying anymore for the sake of the victim 380 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,289 and the victim's families, but... 381 00:23:36,664 --> 00:23:38,059 Newsreader: Gilbert Murray, the president 382 00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:39,884 of the California Forestry Association, 383 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,259 is the third person to be killed by the Unabomber. 384 00:23:42,296 --> 00:23:43,875 It's the Unabomber. 385 00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:47,012 It's creepy and it's current 386 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:49,101 and it's from a killer who has not been caught 387 00:23:49,135 --> 00:23:50,675 for more than a decade. 388 00:23:50,721 --> 00:23:53,181 Another kind of terror - mailbombs. 389 00:23:53,223 --> 00:23:55,773 Officials are warning everyone to be on guard. 390 00:23:55,808 --> 00:23:57,769 The most wanted criminal in America 391 00:23:57,810 --> 00:24:00,020 is still the Unabomber. 392 00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:02,782 You have to wonder, "Am I next?" 393 00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:05,645 Is he gonna send a, you know, a pipe bomb to the Chronicle 394 00:24:05,693 --> 00:24:08,864 because we're reflecting technology 395 00:24:08,905 --> 00:24:10,405 and capitalism, 396 00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:12,157 and big business? 397 00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:13,661 I'm feeling every package. 398 00:24:13,701 --> 00:24:15,582 Every parcel that comes in, 399 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,040 you check for wires, 400 00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:19,393 you check for a little bit of oil. 401 00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:20,826 You smell it. 402 00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:23,455 Has it got a little gunpowder smell to it? 403 00:24:23,502 --> 00:24:24,883 You press down on it. 404 00:24:24,922 --> 00:24:26,971 Has it got uneven lumps 405 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:29,507 that could be the match-head igniters? 406 00:24:29,550 --> 00:24:32,760 Could be explosive loads. 407 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,384 You're very careful about packages like that. 408 00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:10,969 The newsroom gets a letter from the Unabomber 409 00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:13,799 saying that he's going to blow up an airliner 410 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,306 in L.A. 411 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:18,307 So, we take this thing into the editorial office, 412 00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:20,060 everyone looks at it. 413 00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:23,021 We're wondering what this next step is. 414 00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:24,563 Do you print this stuff? 415 00:25:24,605 --> 00:25:26,066 Are you going to be uh... 416 00:25:27,317 --> 00:25:29,817 an ad paper for a killer? 417 00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,241 We call the FBI. 418 00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:35,531 They come over. They look at it. 419 00:25:35,575 --> 00:25:38,865 It's pretty quickly determined that it's the real thing. 420 00:25:38,912 --> 00:25:40,791 Further examination has confirmed 421 00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:43,750 that this letter originates from the Unabomber subject. 422 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:47,295 So, do you take him seriously 423 00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:49,087 or do you blow it off? 424 00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:52,094 We decided to print. 425 00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:56,760 There was a suggestion by the postal service 426 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,765 to simply not carry packages anymore. 427 00:25:58,807 --> 00:26:00,846 They weren't willing to put them in airplanes. 428 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,442 And that added tremendously 429 00:26:03,479 --> 00:26:06,898 to the already unbelievable amount of pressure 430 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:08,190 on the task force 431 00:26:08,233 --> 00:26:09,903 to solve this case. 432 00:26:09,942 --> 00:26:12,282 You can't have the mail in the United States 433 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,111 come to a halt. 434 00:26:14,155 --> 00:26:15,276 It's almost inconceivable. 435 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,260 Newsreader: Los Angeles International Airport 436 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:20,035 is under full alert 437 00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:22,788 with security measures not seen since the Gulf War. 438 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:26,252 And it turns out the guy wasn't serious. 439 00:26:26,292 --> 00:26:29,462 And so, after the 4th of July weekend comes and goes 440 00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:32,005 and no one's killed, nothing blows up, 441 00:26:32,048 --> 00:26:34,798 the dogs get called off 442 00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:37,472 and it goes back to Unabomber normal. 443 00:26:38,888 --> 00:26:41,429 Everybody in the United States, it seems, 444 00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:43,515 and probably many other countries, 445 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,651 is aware of and interested in the Unabomber 446 00:26:46,688 --> 00:26:49,357 and what comes next in this story. 447 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,609 In the summer of 1995, 448 00:26:52,652 --> 00:26:54,531 almost every day or every other day, 449 00:26:54,572 --> 00:26:57,491 there was a little article describing the Unabomber 450 00:26:57,532 --> 00:26:59,292 and what his interests were, 451 00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:02,195 and these different theories about what we should do. 452 00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:04,915 We don't want, you know, any kind of technology, 453 00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:06,576 We don't want all of this. 454 00:27:06,624 --> 00:27:09,384 We have to go back to the natural way of life, 455 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,339 you know, without machines 456 00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:14,049 and without phones and all of that. 457 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:16,721 It was churning up in my head quite a bit. 458 00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,849 And I thought, gosh, that sounds like Dave's brother. 459 00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:24,766 I look at her and she, she didn't look quite happy, 460 00:27:24,809 --> 00:27:26,349 and I said, "Something wrong?" 461 00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:28,434 And, for a while, I was going to hold off, 462 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,480 but then I did broach the topic. 463 00:27:31,525 --> 00:27:34,355 And she said, "David, 464 00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:36,913 I think it might be your brother." 465 00:27:36,947 --> 00:27:39,116 And, you know, my immediate reaction was, 466 00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:42,503 Oh, well, I know it's not my brother, 467 00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:45,036 so thank goodness it's... you know, 468 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:46,920 thank goodness it's just a worry you have, 469 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:48,376 not something real." 470 00:27:48,416 --> 00:27:50,416 David just couldn't believe it. 471 00:27:50,461 --> 00:27:53,090 He just thought I was being stupid, I guess, 472 00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:55,299 or crazy or something. 473 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,550 I mean, she really, it was more of an intuition, 474 00:27:57,593 --> 00:27:59,853 I thought, than anything. Nothing like evidence. 475 00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:02,723 He didn't want to believe it. 476 00:28:02,763 --> 00:28:05,183 And I guess that's the way um... 477 00:28:05,224 --> 00:28:08,265 family members might be, that they don't... 478 00:28:08,311 --> 00:28:11,571 they don't want to believe that about their family member. 479 00:28:24,869 --> 00:28:26,660 These are type-written copies, 480 00:28:26,703 --> 00:28:28,423 typed on the same typewriter 481 00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:31,957 that's been used on most of the other Unabomb communications. 482 00:28:32,001 --> 00:28:34,382 Which we have figured out, forensically, 483 00:28:34,421 --> 00:28:37,010 is a very old L.C. Smith Corona 484 00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:39,634 manual typewriter. 485 00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,007 He sends as many copies of the manifesto 486 00:28:42,054 --> 00:28:44,223 as can be banged out 487 00:28:44,263 --> 00:28:46,394 using carbon paper, 488 00:28:46,432 --> 00:28:48,232 on a manual typewriter. 489 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:51,857 Five copies go out to various locations. 490 00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:54,227 We get a copy of the Manifesto ourselves 491 00:28:54,273 --> 00:28:56,114 and I read this thing word for word. 492 00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:57,740 We realize the guy's smart. 493 00:28:57,777 --> 00:28:59,606 He's not a great writer, 494 00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:02,575 but he's a very competent academic writer, 495 00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:06,405 and we now have the dilemma before us 496 00:29:06,452 --> 00:29:09,752 about whether we should print this manifesto or not. 497 00:29:09,788 --> 00:29:12,628 Do we want to piss off the author? 498 00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:15,998 Do we want to serve the greater good of journalism? 499 00:29:16,046 --> 00:29:17,715 Do we want to suppress it 500 00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:21,973 because it's incitive stuff 501 00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:26,220 that can rile up anarchists into action? 502 00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,634 Or just be smart stuff 503 00:29:28,807 --> 00:29:31,268 that informs the public? 504 00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:34,270 The leadership of the task force 505 00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:36,193 was given the assignment 506 00:29:37,651 --> 00:29:40,861 by the FBI Director and the Attorney General, 507 00:29:40,903 --> 00:29:42,743 Director Freeh and Director Reno, 508 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:45,080 to debate this question 509 00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,326 and come back with a recommendation. 510 00:29:47,368 --> 00:29:50,078 Within the bureau there was a thought that, 511 00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,211 you know, are we capitulating to a bomber, 512 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:56,171 a terrorist, 513 00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:58,510 by publishing his manifesto? 514 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,881 I'll call it a somewhat furious debate over this, 515 00:30:02,925 --> 00:30:06,096 and everybody was not on the same side initially. 516 00:30:07,681 --> 00:30:09,891 And the decision was made 517 00:30:11,809 --> 00:30:14,309 that we shouldn't publish it. 518 00:30:14,354 --> 00:30:15,733 The meeting breaks up, 519 00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:18,363 one of us looked at everybody else and said, 520 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,859 "That was the wrong decision, wasn't it?" 521 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:22,781 And everybody else in there said, "Yes, 522 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:24,990 that was the wrong decision." 523 00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:27,121 And the primary argument was, 524 00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:29,078 if it gets published, 525 00:30:29,118 --> 00:30:32,118 a document of that size, seen by enough people, 526 00:30:32,163 --> 00:30:33,624 it's almost impossible 527 00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:36,375 that someone will not recognize the author. 528 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,709 Either because of the way he writes, 529 00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:42,585 or because of his message. 530 00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:44,682 We figure, "This is for the greater good." 531 00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:47,927 You put out the clues and, as a newspaper, 532 00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:50,721 we are all about being for the greater good. 533 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:54,096 So, in conjunction with the local FBI office, 534 00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:56,983 we printed the Manifesto. 535 00:30:57,021 --> 00:30:58,942 Newsreader: It was behind the business pages, 536 00:30:58,981 --> 00:31:02,112 tucked in between the want ads, but it was all there today, 537 00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:05,662 all 35.000 words of the Unabomber's message to America. 538 00:31:06,905 --> 00:31:08,576 We print the thing and we get... 539 00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:11,406 zillions of responses at the time. 540 00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:14,673 I think that copy of the paper sold fairly well, 541 00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:18,037 which, you know, you don't wanna make money on horror, 542 00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:21,248 but the fact that it sold well 543 00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,165 meant that a lot of people were reading it 544 00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:25,545 and that was good. You want people to pick, pick it over. 545 00:31:27,426 --> 00:31:28,797 I remember my first thought 546 00:31:28,846 --> 00:31:30,615 was that the Unabomber had won, at this point. 547 00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:32,429 When the whole thing was published, 548 00:31:32,473 --> 00:31:33,933 I thought, well, that's it, he won. 549 00:31:33,974 --> 00:31:36,765 He defeated the federal government and the FBI 550 00:31:36,811 --> 00:31:38,771 because he got this thing published. 551 00:31:41,148 --> 00:31:42,568 This is the original copy 552 00:31:42,608 --> 00:31:45,278 of the Unabomber Manifesto. 553 00:31:46,697 --> 00:31:49,777 I kept it never knowing that I would meet the author. 554 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:53,413 It's huge, it's an amazing document. 555 00:31:53,452 --> 00:31:55,212 Like the opening sentence, 556 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,666 "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences 557 00:31:58,709 --> 00:32:01,588 have been a disaster for the human race." 558 00:32:04,757 --> 00:32:06,467 "They've destabilized society, 559 00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:08,178 have made life unfulfilling, 560 00:32:08,218 --> 00:32:10,847 have subjected human beings to indignities, 561 00:32:10,887 --> 00:32:14,018 have led to widespread psychological suffering 562 00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:16,227 and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world." 563 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,979 "Science marches on blindly 564 00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:22,480 without regard to the welfare of the human race." 565 00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:26,696 "The system cannot be reformed in such a way 566 00:32:26,737 --> 00:32:28,606 as to reconcile freedom with technology. 567 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,829 The only way out is to dispense with 568 00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:34,237 the industrial technological system altogether." 569 00:32:35,953 --> 00:32:37,413 "It would be better 570 00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:39,625 to dump the whole stinking system 571 00:32:39,665 --> 00:32:41,455 and take the consequences." 572 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:42,854 "We therefore advocate a revolution 573 00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:44,627 against the industrial system." 574 00:33:00,854 --> 00:33:03,233 You could take any aspect of the technological system 575 00:33:03,272 --> 00:33:05,232 and it's hard to argue against any one aspect. 576 00:33:05,275 --> 00:33:06,836 You could say, what's wrong with a phone? 577 00:33:06,859 --> 00:33:08,529 What's wrong with an email? 578 00:33:08,569 --> 00:33:10,381 What's wrong with a digital camera or something? 579 00:33:10,404 --> 00:33:11,840 But if you take someone like Kaczynski, 580 00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:13,759 he looks at the ensemble, the whole system and he says, 581 00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:15,794 well, look what the system is doing to us. 582 00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:17,680 It's drawing people in, they're getting addicted. 583 00:33:17,703 --> 00:33:19,682 Mental stress is increasing, mental illness is increasing, 584 00:33:19,705 --> 00:33:21,746 physical health is decreasing, 585 00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:24,291 environmental destruction is accelerating. 586 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,546 This is a consequence of the whole technological system. 587 00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:28,667 It's not any one technology. 588 00:33:28,714 --> 00:33:31,125 So, my cell phone isn't destroying 589 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:33,846 the-the global ecosystem. No, it's not the cell phone, 590 00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:36,886 but it's the whole network that goes to having and creating 591 00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:39,142 and using a cellphone on a mass basis. 592 00:33:39,183 --> 00:33:41,193 That's what's destroying the global ecosystem 593 00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:43,096 and that's what's causing human stress. 594 00:33:43,145 --> 00:33:44,556 When friends of mine discovered 595 00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:46,266 that I hadn't even read it yet, they go, 596 00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:48,336 "You're gonna love it, read it! You're an idiot. Come on." 597 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:52,410 And I did. Uh, there wasn't anything I disagreed with, 598 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,906 actually, and I still, uh, advocate it. 599 00:33:56,326 --> 00:33:59,536 I think it's just an amazingly important document 600 00:33:59,578 --> 00:34:01,328 now more than ever. 601 00:34:22,059 --> 00:34:24,650 "In order to get our message before the public 602 00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:27,188 with some chance of making a lasting impression, 603 00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,731 we've had to kill people." 604 00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:32,068 He comes right out and says it. 605 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,840 Newsreader: The Justice Department hopes 606 00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:38,827 to use his own words to lead investigators 607 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,369 to one of the most hunted men in the country. 608 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:46,038 I'm sure there will be a lot of people 609 00:34:46,083 --> 00:34:48,094 in the academic community 610 00:34:48,126 --> 00:34:50,547 that will read this and will say, 611 00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,798 "Well, that sounds just like..." 612 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,931 and they'll flash back to a student 613 00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:57,637 or a professor that they have worked with. 614 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,219 It did ultimately lead to... 615 00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:02,344 literally thousands of people 616 00:35:02,391 --> 00:35:05,652 that thought that they might know who the Unabomber was. 617 00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:13,485 This was getting to be about mid-October. 618 00:35:13,527 --> 00:35:15,487 David promised 619 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:18,280 that when the Unabomber manifesto was published, 620 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:20,204 that he would go out and get it. 621 00:35:20,242 --> 00:35:22,043 He promised that to me. 622 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,748 But apparently there were only 6 copies being sold 623 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,541 at this newspaper shop 624 00:35:28,585 --> 00:35:31,335 and they had already gone very quickly. 625 00:35:31,378 --> 00:35:33,509 The college library had the issue 626 00:35:33,547 --> 00:35:35,677 but somebody had taken the manifesto out of it 627 00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:37,387 so it wasn't there. And I'm, I'm ready 628 00:35:37,427 --> 00:35:38,905 to throw up both of my hands and then she... 629 00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:41,059 and then she says, "The internet!" 630 00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:43,677 Now, I had hardly heard of the internet. 631 00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:45,224 We didn't have it at home, 632 00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:48,398 but they had it at the college library. 633 00:35:48,438 --> 00:35:50,688 Linda's sitting next to me, 634 00:35:50,731 --> 00:35:52,282 and, first of all, it's kind of weird. 635 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,527 Here I am on this new-fangled technology, 636 00:35:54,568 --> 00:35:56,108 trying to figure out if my brother 637 00:35:56,153 --> 00:35:58,204 is the anti-technology terrorist. 638 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,278 You know, I felt almost, like, guilty about doing that. 639 00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:03,695 He was looking at the screen 640 00:36:04,913 --> 00:36:07,463 and I was looking at his cheek 641 00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:09,498 and his jaw dropped 642 00:36:09,541 --> 00:36:11,251 when he read the first few lines 643 00:36:11,293 --> 00:36:13,213 of the Unabomber manifesto. 644 00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:17,052 Linda kind of whispered, "David, what do you think? 645 00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:19,181 Do you think it could be Ted?" 646 00:36:19,217 --> 00:36:21,757 And I said, "I have to admit, 647 00:36:21,804 --> 00:36:23,844 some parts of it really do sound like him. 648 00:36:23,889 --> 00:36:26,599 If I had to, if I had to guess, 649 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:28,943 maybe there's one chance in a thousand he wrote it." 650 00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:31,938 And I was expecting, 651 00:36:31,981 --> 00:36:34,442 well, maybe that would be reassuring to her. 652 00:36:34,483 --> 00:36:38,284 But she said, "David, one chance in a thousand? 653 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,280 That's not nothing." 654 00:36:46,496 --> 00:36:48,496 I started to try and talk Dave 655 00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:51,079 into getting an expert 656 00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:54,746 in analyzing the comparison between Ted's letters 657 00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:57,416 and the Unabomber manifesto. 658 00:36:57,465 --> 00:37:00,335 That, that perhaps there's a pattern 659 00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:02,755 because it's the same author. 660 00:37:02,804 --> 00:37:04,934 So, I suggested Susan Swanson, 661 00:37:04,972 --> 00:37:07,853 who I knew was a private investigator 662 00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:10,603 and had connections with this kind of thing. 663 00:37:10,644 --> 00:37:13,974 I've known Linda since we were toddlers. 664 00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:17,534 It was Linda who cracked the Unabomber case. 665 00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:20,068 She was the only one who suspected, 666 00:37:20,112 --> 00:37:22,873 just by reading his letters, that he might be violent. 667 00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:24,987 And I tried to look 668 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:28,534 to see if there were any similarities 669 00:37:28,579 --> 00:37:30,250 and, after a while, 670 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:32,039 there were times when I thought 671 00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:34,384 they really could've been written by the same person. 672 00:37:36,253 --> 00:37:38,673 "I've got to know that every last tie 673 00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,045 joining me to this stinking family 674 00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:42,932 has been cut forever." 675 00:37:44,302 --> 00:37:45,932 "It would be better 676 00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:48,061 to dump the whole stinking system 677 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,730 and take the consequences." 678 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:53,608 I thought it was hard to tell the difference between the two. 679 00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,565 It kind of flowed, 680 00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:57,567 it had, you know, um... 681 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:59,739 the same tone. 682 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:03,027 So, I went to work researching the Unabomber case, 683 00:38:03,072 --> 00:38:05,702 taking into account other things Ted had 684 00:38:05,742 --> 00:38:08,121 that were in common with the Unabomber. 685 00:38:09,369 --> 00:38:11,619 Probably the biggest geographic link 686 00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:15,503 had to do with universities where bombs were found. 687 00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:18,762 There were two at the University of California, 688 00:38:18,797 --> 00:38:20,166 at Berkeley, 689 00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:23,465 and one at the University of Michigan 690 00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:25,139 in Ann Arbor. 691 00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:27,807 We knew that Ted had gotten his Ph. D. 692 00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:30,347 at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, 693 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:34,061 and we knew he had been a... assistant professor 694 00:38:34,103 --> 00:38:36,943 at the University of California at Berkeley. 695 00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,652 We were looking at the timeline of the bombings 696 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:42,782 and letters that we had received from Ted. 697 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:45,201 My big hope was that we would... 698 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,119 find that a letter was sent from Montana, 699 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,619 on a day that, say, a bomb was sent from California. 700 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:54,833 So, I was still hopeful that he might be ruled out. 701 00:38:54,873 --> 00:38:58,594 And, um, what David knew was that 702 00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:02,797 Ted would sometimes hitch a ride to Helena, Montana. 703 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,721 And from there, he would catch a Greyhound bus 704 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,969 all the way to the San Francisco Bay area. 705 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:12,853 I made some calls to the Greyhound bus line. 706 00:39:12,891 --> 00:39:16,351 They said there's no way you could take 707 00:39:16,394 --> 00:39:20,315 the Greyhound bus from Helena, Montana 708 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,568 to San Francisco, California, 709 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:26,320 without going through Salt Lake City, Utah. 710 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,034 And since Salt Lake City is one of the places 711 00:39:29,074 --> 00:39:31,485 where a bomb had gone off, 712 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,445 that was very concerning. 713 00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,634 I'm actually thinking my brother 714 00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:39,876 could be the most wanted person in America, 715 00:39:39,918 --> 00:39:42,378 a serial murderer. 716 00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,840 The cost if we were wrong either way 717 00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:47,262 was so intense. 718 00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:49,762 If we did nothing 719 00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:51,324 and Ted was the Unabomber, he might strike again. 720 00:39:51,347 --> 00:39:53,018 Someone would be dead. 721 00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:54,818 We'd have to go through the rest of our lives 722 00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:56,811 understanding that somebody died 723 00:39:56,853 --> 00:39:59,902 because we had failed to act. That was intolerable. 724 00:39:59,938 --> 00:40:02,148 And then the other side of this 725 00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,152 was the realization, my God, if Ted is... 726 00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:08,775 if Ted is guilty and he's killed three people, 727 00:40:08,822 --> 00:40:11,623 then he's probably gonna get the death penalty. 728 00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:13,119 What would it be like for me 729 00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:15,121 to go through the rest of my life 730 00:40:15,163 --> 00:40:17,213 with my brother's blood on my hands? 731 00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:19,878 The brother I'd sworn to never abandon. 732 00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:21,628 Man, that was unthinkable. 733 00:40:21,668 --> 00:40:23,958 It was like, I was sort of in this box, 734 00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:25,835 not at all of my own making 735 00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:29,092 and there was like no way to get out of it. 736 00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:32,429 For me, it was easy. 737 00:40:32,471 --> 00:40:34,931 There was a possibility uh... 738 00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:37,603 somewhat a pretty decent possibility 739 00:40:37,643 --> 00:40:39,353 that he was the Unabomber, 740 00:40:39,396 --> 00:40:41,936 so we had to do something. 741 00:40:41,981 --> 00:40:43,981 So, David called me 742 00:40:45,402 --> 00:40:47,402 and he said, you know, 743 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,445 that this was, this was bad news. 744 00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,489 I said, "Well, we think we need to stop the violence, 745 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,414 so we'd like you to contact the FBI." 746 00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:00,628 We thought everything's gonna change, 747 00:41:00,666 --> 00:41:02,916 you know, everything's gonna... 748 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,420 well, two or three weeks go by, we don't hear anything. 749 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,052 We are deluged with information. 750 00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:11,431 People are mailing in writings from... 751 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,099 their uncles, their brothers, 752 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:15,007 their ex-boyfriends, 753 00:41:15,056 --> 00:41:17,226 saying, well, this person might be the Unabomber. 754 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,938 And we're trying to take it in and process it. 755 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:23,980 There were thousands of people who got brief looks. 756 00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:27,530 There were 2.417 people 757 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,777 who were designated formally as suspects. 758 00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:38,159 Ted Kaczynski was number 2.416. 759 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:42,003 But at this point, my mother got sick. 760 00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:43,840 She was in the hospital in Chicago. 761 00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:45,335 I had to fly back there, 762 00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:48,378 and I found myself alone in her house. 763 00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:53,297 And, um, I realized she had saved a bunch of letters 764 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,005 from my brother, 765 00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:56,353 and among her letters, 766 00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,679 I find a 23-page manuscript 767 00:41:59,724 --> 00:42:01,135 which was like... 768 00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:05,936 I guess you'd call it a proto-manifesto. 769 00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:08,822 It was the essence of the manifesto 770 00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:10,739 boiled down to 23 pages, 771 00:42:10,777 --> 00:42:13,487 written maybe several years earlier. 772 00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:15,530 And at that point, without hesitation, 773 00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:17,414 we contacted the FBI. 774 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,960 A call came into the switchboard, 775 00:42:21,998 --> 00:42:23,958 at the San Francisco office, 776 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,460 looking for someone from the Unabomb Task Force. 777 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,923 It was from an agent and she's read the document 778 00:42:29,963 --> 00:42:32,554 and she thinks it might be important. 779 00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:34,891 All she wanted is someone on the task force 780 00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:36,387 to look at the document 781 00:42:36,429 --> 00:42:38,469 before it just went into the... 782 00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:42,264 great pile of okay-this-has been-handled-and-washed-out. 783 00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:44,440 So, I asked her to send it to me. 784 00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:46,358 She faxed it to me, I looked at it, 785 00:42:46,398 --> 00:42:48,438 uh, and I concluded that 786 00:42:50,943 --> 00:42:52,902 the writer of this 23-page document 787 00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,985 and the writer of the manifesto 788 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,661 were the same person. 789 00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:08,592 This is a huge moment. 790 00:43:08,626 --> 00:43:10,297 The light is at the end of the tunnel. 791 00:43:10,338 --> 00:43:12,007 We are going to solve this case. 792 00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:13,217 We are convinced of it. 793 00:43:19,222 --> 00:43:21,641 But we don't have enough evidence to arrest him. 794 00:43:21,681 --> 00:43:25,442 We can tie him very definitively to the manifesto, 795 00:43:25,478 --> 00:43:27,898 but it's ties based on... 796 00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:29,768 linguistic analysis, essentially. 797 00:43:31,192 --> 00:43:32,822 That's not enough to arrest him. 798 00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:34,699 We need to get into that cabin, 799 00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:37,027 we need to conduct a search of that cabin, 800 00:43:37,072 --> 00:43:38,413 and see what's in there. 801 00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:40,369 That becomes the primary goal, 802 00:43:40,409 --> 00:43:42,949 is getting into the cabin by a search warrant. 803 00:43:42,994 --> 00:43:46,864 We send a handful of agents up there. 804 00:43:46,916 --> 00:43:50,666 They approached my dad because Ted trusted him - 805 00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:53,050 I mean, as much as he probably trusted anybody - 806 00:43:53,088 --> 00:43:57,048 because he'd been his neighbor for 20-plus years. 807 00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:02,215 They were like, "What do you know about your neighbor, Ted?" 808 00:44:02,264 --> 00:44:04,804 And Butch is like, "He's a hermit." 809 00:44:08,061 --> 00:44:10,271 And they go, "Well, we're pretty sure 810 00:44:10,315 --> 00:44:12,355 he's the Unabomber." 811 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,449 And Butch is like, "No, he's not the Unabomber." 812 00:44:15,487 --> 00:44:18,697 And he's like, "Yeah, we, we're pretty sure we got him. 813 00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:20,778 And so would you 814 00:44:20,824 --> 00:44:23,195 be willing to help us 815 00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:26,289 in his arrest?" 816 00:44:26,331 --> 00:44:27,849 And Butch is like, "Well, what do you need?" 817 00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:29,753 Well, my dad was asked 818 00:44:29,791 --> 00:44:32,302 to video the terrain 819 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,797 around Ted's place. 820 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,679 And he went out there 821 00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:44,811 and took his video camera, 822 00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:46,978 held it down by his hip 823 00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:49,268 and just walked the grounds 824 00:44:49,311 --> 00:44:51,942 so that the FBI could have a clear vision 825 00:44:51,981 --> 00:44:55,280 of what the terrain looked like around Ted's cabin. 826 00:44:56,693 --> 00:45:00,242 My dad, Butch, was the eyes and the ears of the operation. 827 00:45:01,449 --> 00:45:03,739 We start getting hints before April 828 00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:06,164 that the investigators are narrowing in; 829 00:45:06,204 --> 00:45:08,414 that the Manifesto 830 00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:10,916 has lit a fuse 831 00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:13,708 and that something's going down. 832 00:45:13,751 --> 00:45:16,882 And so, we're scratching everywhere we can. 833 00:45:16,922 --> 00:45:18,842 We get clues, 834 00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:21,222 some of the networks get clues. 835 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:23,139 They're trying to keep a tight lid on it, 836 00:45:23,179 --> 00:45:24,889 but it's leaking out. 837 00:45:24,929 --> 00:45:27,599 The task force was contacted by CBS 838 00:45:27,641 --> 00:45:29,311 at the beginning of April. 839 00:45:29,351 --> 00:45:32,152 And CBS News indicated that they, essentially, 840 00:45:32,188 --> 00:45:33,478 had the story, 841 00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:35,163 and they were going to run with the story. 842 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:37,240 We couldn't afford for media trucks 843 00:45:37,275 --> 00:45:39,146 to be driving down that little dirt road 844 00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:41,195 and knock on his door... 845 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,949 for a million reasons. 846 00:45:42,989 --> 00:45:46,579 So, okay, we had 24 hours to get in place. 847 00:45:46,619 --> 00:45:50,289 We flew a planeload of agents, 848 00:45:50,331 --> 00:45:52,041 the entire San Francisco SWAT team 849 00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,333 to surround the cabin, 850 00:45:53,376 --> 00:45:55,166 crawl into place during the night, 851 00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:57,130 and then all the other people we would need 852 00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:59,130 to knock on his door the next day. 853 00:46:01,634 --> 00:46:03,764 The day of the arrest, it was early, 854 00:46:03,802 --> 00:46:05,222 it's kind of chilly, 855 00:46:05,262 --> 00:46:07,393 wind was blowing. 856 00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:09,481 The air was so... 857 00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,686 I mean, the tension was so thick 858 00:46:11,728 --> 00:46:13,148 you could just feel it. 859 00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:16,523 We didn't want to have a situation 860 00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:19,936 where we had a barricaded gunman. 861 00:46:19,985 --> 00:46:23,195 We knew Ted had at least one weapon, 862 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,699 a, a rifle. 863 00:46:27,699 --> 00:46:31,699 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com