1 00:00:16,892 --> 00:00:18,692 - He's smart because he was figuring out 2 00:00:18,727 --> 00:00:22,357 how to build the bombs better as time goes on. 3 00:00:22,397 --> 00:00:25,777 There's an amazing, meticulous quality to the bombs. 4 00:00:25,818 --> 00:00:27,398 They were very cleverly done. 5 00:00:28,654 --> 00:00:31,034 - The bomber has been moving, 6 00:00:31,072 --> 00:00:32,702 the targets have been different. 7 00:00:33,575 --> 00:00:36,655 Most cases don't go on this length of time 8 00:00:36,704 --> 00:00:38,834 without some sort of solution. 9 00:01:03,188 --> 00:01:06,108 - So far, he hasn't killed anyone. 10 00:01:06,149 --> 00:01:07,779 Uh, he's clearly trying to. 11 00:01:07,818 --> 00:01:12,608 The next package was sent May 15th, 1985. 12 00:01:12,656 --> 00:01:14,526 That was discovered 13 00:01:14,575 --> 00:01:16,695 at the University of California at Berkeley. 14 00:01:18,203 --> 00:01:19,623 He's back to Berkeley. 15 00:01:19,663 --> 00:01:21,373 Is that significant? 16 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:23,455 Why did this person feel comfortable 17 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:25,250 coming back to this campus again? 18 00:01:30,049 --> 00:01:32,839 - Zap! You know, it exploded, 19 00:01:32,885 --> 00:01:34,715 threw my hand over to the side. 20 00:01:37,514 --> 00:01:40,814 I could see my hand was really, really torn up very badly, 21 00:01:40,851 --> 00:01:43,811 then I noticed that I had this big gash out of my arm 22 00:01:43,854 --> 00:01:46,484 and blood was starting to... to bubble up out of there. 23 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:50,188 - I respond to the crime scene, 24 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:54,405 along with the other members of the San Francisco FBI office. 25 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:58,738 It is, as with most bombings, a rather horrific scene. 26 00:01:58,786 --> 00:02:01,366 Uh, there is debris all over the room, 27 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:02,833 there is blood. 28 00:02:04,416 --> 00:02:07,286 - I also had my Air Force Academy ring 29 00:02:07,335 --> 00:02:09,495 on my right ring finger 30 00:02:09,546 --> 00:02:12,546 and when I, when I opened the device 31 00:02:12,591 --> 00:02:15,591 it blew my fingers and the ring off 32 00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:17,756 and left an imprint in the wall itself. 33 00:03:10,774 --> 00:03:12,734 No. It was simply anger and revenge 34 00:03:12,776 --> 00:03:14,566 and I was... was going to strike back. 35 00:03:16,155 --> 00:03:17,905 Try not to get blown up. 36 00:03:35,298 --> 00:03:36,798 - It's kind of odd. 37 00:03:36,842 --> 00:03:39,722 He's putting clues inside. 38 00:03:42,181 --> 00:03:44,681 He punches a little uh... 39 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:48,845 stamps 'FC' into the bomb material 40 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:50,436 or he puts it on the little plate. 41 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:54,817 - No one knows what it means. 42 00:03:54,860 --> 00:03:56,440 These are just two initials. 43 00:03:56,486 --> 00:03:59,736 There's a great deal of speculation 44 00:03:59,781 --> 00:04:01,201 and investigation 45 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:04,121 to try to figure out what this could mean. 46 00:04:04,161 --> 00:04:07,121 There are all kinds of ideas presented 47 00:04:07,164 --> 00:04:09,504 within the task force and outside the task force 48 00:04:09,541 --> 00:04:12,671 As to what 'FC' could stand for. 49 00:04:12,711 --> 00:04:16,171 - This is a guy who is really paying attention to his craft, 50 00:04:16,215 --> 00:04:18,625 the bits that he left in his bombs 51 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:20,925 referring to the 'FC', 52 00:04:20,969 --> 00:04:23,929 and the wood references that he makes, 53 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:27,602 Percy Wood, and the bits of wood used in his bomb. 54 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:29,562 He was probably too vain, 55 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:31,653 you know, thought he was too clever to avoid it, 56 00:04:31,688 --> 00:04:33,568 but they're clues. 57 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:35,477 - "Does the Unabomber mean anything to you?" "No". 58 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:37,945 "Do the initials FC mean anything to you?" "No." 59 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:41,616 Only in terms of a DOS command, you know? 60 00:04:41,656 --> 00:04:43,656 Nothing there that I could think of. 61 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:48,662 - We pursued it as far as it could be pursued 62 00:04:48,705 --> 00:04:50,035 to see if it meant something, 63 00:04:50,082 --> 00:04:51,672 and it was another dead end. 64 00:05:03,595 --> 00:05:04,715 - "I'm no longer bothered 65 00:05:04,763 --> 00:05:06,683 by having crippled this guy. 66 00:05:06,723 --> 00:05:09,393 I laughed at the idea of having any compunction 67 00:05:09,434 --> 00:05:11,944 about crippling an airline pilot." 68 00:05:13,188 --> 00:05:14,608 - Thousands and thousands of pages - 69 00:05:14,648 --> 00:05:18,028 22,000 pages - of hand-written material, 70 00:05:18,068 --> 00:05:21,528 entries about what he'd been doing on a particular day, 71 00:05:21,571 --> 00:05:23,161 to things he was eating, 72 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:25,408 to his history, 73 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:28,500 people he knew, jobs he'd had, 74 00:05:28,536 --> 00:05:32,706 to experiments about how to make bombs. 75 00:05:35,794 --> 00:05:37,174 - "I think that, perhaps, 76 00:05:37,212 --> 00:05:38,882 I could now kill someone. 77 00:05:38,922 --> 00:05:42,092 I emphasize that my motivation is personal revenge. 78 00:05:44,385 --> 00:05:47,305 My ambition is to kill a scientist, 79 00:05:47,346 --> 00:05:48,516 big businessman, 80 00:05:48,556 --> 00:05:52,016 government official or the like." 81 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:54,350 - It's the world that was inside his head. 82 00:05:54,395 --> 00:05:56,145 Nobody would have been able to see that. 83 00:06:03,697 --> 00:06:06,237 - There were entries that were entirely 84 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:09,413 just mathematical, just numerical entries. 85 00:06:09,452 --> 00:06:12,042 Pages and pages of numbers 86 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,960 and it turned out a key within the writings 87 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,290 allowed translation 88 00:06:16,335 --> 00:06:19,245 of these numerical documents. 89 00:06:19,296 --> 00:06:21,756 Those turned out to be direct confessions 90 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:24,428 to all of the Unabomb crimes 91 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:26,177 and how he felt about them. 92 00:06:26,220 --> 00:06:28,220 So, he had gone to great lengths 93 00:06:28,263 --> 00:06:30,183 to write them in a code, 94 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:34,976 such that if anybody stumbled into the cabin, 95 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:37,270 burglar or whomever, 96 00:06:37,314 --> 00:06:39,154 they wouldn't be able to make anything out of it. 97 00:07:05,842 --> 00:07:06,842 Yeah. 98 00:07:08,303 --> 00:07:10,313 - Butch didn't know he had a college degree. 99 00:07:10,347 --> 00:07:12,017 He knew he was smart. 100 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:16,057 I mean, Ted would come up here and help him work on the house. 101 00:07:16,103 --> 00:07:19,693 And the math he could do in his head was phenomenal. 102 00:07:19,731 --> 00:07:21,521 You have to do a lot of math 103 00:07:21,566 --> 00:07:24,486 to know how to do the lumber. 104 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:27,857 So, I always was impressed with Butch's knowledge of math. 105 00:07:27,906 --> 00:07:31,156 He said Ted was so much faster than him 106 00:07:32,911 --> 00:07:35,371 that he knew he had to be an educated man. 107 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:40,165 - Sometimes he would tutor me in mathematics 108 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:43,840 'cause he was very, very gifted in mathematics. 109 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,260 I'm remembering one time he was- 110 00:07:45,299 --> 00:07:47,129 I was probably in fourth grade 111 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:49,465 and he's trying to show me how to do algebra 112 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:52,930 and I'm thinking, I don't really understand this. 113 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:55,603 And my parents are saying, "You know, Teddy, 114 00:07:55,642 --> 00:07:58,102 I don't think David really understands." 115 00:07:58,145 --> 00:08:00,055 And Teddy says, "Yeah, yeah, he does. 116 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:01,265 You understand, don't you, Dave?" 117 00:08:01,315 --> 00:08:04,225 And I said, "Yeah, I think so." 118 00:08:09,948 --> 00:08:12,698 - I think one of the reasons that he... 119 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:15,162 gravitated towards math, 120 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:17,333 it's something he could do in isolation. 121 00:08:17,372 --> 00:08:19,672 It's not a team project. 122 00:08:43,357 --> 00:08:45,277 - There were parts of him 123 00:08:45,317 --> 00:08:48,567 that were a little different. 124 00:08:48,611 --> 00:08:50,611 He was a little um... 125 00:08:52,032 --> 00:08:53,832 Oh, what I... I, I don't know how to describe it. 126 00:08:55,118 --> 00:08:57,618 Ted did not have many friends. 127 00:08:57,662 --> 00:08:59,162 There were periods of time 128 00:08:59,206 --> 00:09:02,706 when nobody ever came to the house to visit Ted. 129 00:09:05,253 --> 00:09:09,013 - His adolescence is now troubled. 130 00:09:09,049 --> 00:09:12,389 I wouldn't say it's necessarily traumatic, 131 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:15,177 uh, but it's troubled. It's the beginning. 132 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:20,638 - I actually asked mom, 133 00:09:20,685 --> 00:09:23,095 "Mom, what's wrong with Teddy?" 134 00:09:23,146 --> 00:09:25,186 And, you know, mom's saying, "What, what do you mean? 135 00:09:25,232 --> 00:09:27,192 There's nothing wrong with Teddy. 136 00:09:27,234 --> 00:09:29,194 What are you talking about?" 137 00:09:29,236 --> 00:09:31,146 And I said, "Well, he doesn't have any friends. 138 00:09:31,196 --> 00:09:33,276 I mean, why?" 139 00:09:33,323 --> 00:09:36,743 It was at that point that mom decided, 140 00:09:36,784 --> 00:09:39,044 uh, she needed to share something with me, 141 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,249 so that I could hopefully understand my brother better. 142 00:09:42,541 --> 00:09:44,581 And this was a memory that had haunted her 143 00:09:44,625 --> 00:09:45,995 really all her life. 144 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:54,925 As mom described it, he originally, you know, 145 00:09:54,969 --> 00:09:57,389 he was like a laughing, active baby. 146 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:00,678 He had gotten sick. 147 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:04,443 Like good parents, they took him to the hospital. 148 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:12,282 He ended up being in the hospital for over a week 149 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,240 as they tried to like diagnose what the problem was - 150 00:10:15,282 --> 00:10:17,582 there were rashes on his body. 151 00:10:19,286 --> 00:10:21,076 Mom always faulted the hospital. 152 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:23,541 They would have been there every day visiting him, 153 00:10:23,582 --> 00:10:25,332 but the hospital said no. 154 00:10:25,375 --> 00:10:27,495 It's kind of like, we don't want parents to be in the way. 155 00:10:27,544 --> 00:10:29,134 We've got our work to do, 156 00:10:29,170 --> 00:10:31,210 we have our, our little baby to cure, 157 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:33,626 so keep your distance. 158 00:10:33,674 --> 00:10:35,434 They were only allowed to visit him 159 00:10:35,469 --> 00:10:38,139 two times a week, for two hours. 160 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:43,684 After that, he was like completely shut down. 161 00:10:43,726 --> 00:10:46,476 Like there was no smiling, there-- 162 00:10:46,521 --> 00:10:49,111 the eye contact was no longer there. 163 00:10:52,235 --> 00:10:55,405 She and our father tried for-- 164 00:10:55,447 --> 00:10:56,817 it took them a couple of weeks 165 00:10:56,864 --> 00:10:59,084 after Ted came home from the hospital 166 00:10:59,117 --> 00:11:00,827 to get him to the point 167 00:11:00,868 --> 00:11:02,828 where he would seem to trust a little bit 168 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:04,960 and make some eye contact. 169 00:11:09,544 --> 00:11:11,754 - There is this theory that an infant 170 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:14,296 that doesn't bond with the mother, 171 00:11:14,341 --> 00:11:17,591 develops psychopathy as a defensive mechanism; 172 00:11:17,636 --> 00:11:21,096 that they feel no pain, they feel no trauma, 173 00:11:21,139 --> 00:11:22,599 but, of course, at the same time, 174 00:11:22,641 --> 00:11:25,231 they lose the sense of empathy, 175 00:11:25,268 --> 00:11:27,398 a moral compass. 176 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:34,782 - At the tail end of that conversation, she said, 177 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:37,699 you know, "Ted may have felt abandoned as a little baby. 178 00:11:37,738 --> 00:11:40,488 Don't ever abandon your brother, David, 179 00:11:40,534 --> 00:11:43,584 because that's what he fears the most." 180 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:46,080 And of course, I'm thinking, well, I'll never abandon Ted. 181 00:11:46,122 --> 00:11:48,792 Why would I abandon Ted? I love Ted. 182 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:51,093 But, of course, those words echoed in my mind 183 00:11:51,127 --> 00:11:52,547 years and years later 184 00:11:52,587 --> 00:11:54,957 when we had to deal with Ted's violence. 185 00:12:24,077 --> 00:12:27,287 - He's clever, really meticulous, 186 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:29,370 probably obsessive-compulsive, 187 00:12:29,416 --> 00:12:32,166 fastidious, and super-smart. 188 00:12:36,339 --> 00:12:38,969 - There is an indication that the bomber 189 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:40,968 has some familiarity 190 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:42,720 with construction techniques 191 00:12:42,761 --> 00:12:45,601 and has access to machine tools. 192 00:12:47,058 --> 00:12:49,638 They're getting better in that sense. 193 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:56,647 - I was up in on a job that I was working, 194 00:12:56,693 --> 00:12:58,703 so nobody was home, 195 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:04,284 and the UPS driver come roarin' up into the driveway 196 00:13:04,325 --> 00:13:07,945 and Ted was inside of an open-ended shed. 197 00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:10,955 And I have a little work bench in there with the drill press 198 00:13:10,998 --> 00:13:13,288 and, you know, files, different drill bits. 199 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:15,464 There's a vice. And here was Ted. 200 00:13:15,503 --> 00:13:17,463 He had nowhere to hide, nowhere to go. 201 00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:19,375 And I asked the UPS driver after, 202 00:13:19,424 --> 00:13:20,804 "Well, what was he workin' on?" 203 00:13:20,841 --> 00:13:23,141 And he said, "Well, I didn't see. 204 00:13:23,177 --> 00:13:25,757 He put his body right in front of the vice, 205 00:13:25,804 --> 00:13:27,854 whatever he was working on there." 206 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:31,770 And I said, "Well, what was his body language like?" 207 00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:34,480 He said, "Consternation". 208 00:13:34,522 --> 00:13:37,782 You know, very serious face and "Chris isn't home." 209 00:13:42,155 --> 00:13:46,025 - I just think we should've been more observant. 210 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:48,035 In this community, you... 211 00:13:49,788 --> 00:13:51,618 you help your neighbor, 212 00:13:51,665 --> 00:13:53,825 but you also give 'em their space. 213 00:13:53,874 --> 00:13:56,464 - He was so reclusive and secretive 214 00:13:56,503 --> 00:13:59,213 that there's just really no way we could've gone 215 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:02,925 from the hermit in the cabin to the Unabomber. 216 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:05,047 It's just such a far stretch. 217 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:18,398 - His clothing was ripped and tattered and still-- 218 00:14:18,441 --> 00:14:21,401 hair wild, eyes wild. 219 00:14:21,444 --> 00:14:23,454 Filthy dirty, just... 220 00:14:23,488 --> 00:14:26,198 the layers of dirt on his skin 221 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,830 was like crusted. 222 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:32,269 - One thing that really sticks out, to me, 223 00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:33,886 in my memory, 224 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:35,943 there was one day where I was walking up 225 00:15:35,976 --> 00:15:38,936 to our rock quarry, which I did frequently, 226 00:15:38,979 --> 00:15:41,359 and just taking a walk by myself. 227 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:45,320 And I rounded a corner... 228 00:15:45,361 --> 00:15:47,111 there was Ted, 229 00:15:47,154 --> 00:15:49,994 and we almost just ran into each other, 230 00:15:50,032 --> 00:15:51,792 and it startled both of us. 231 00:15:51,826 --> 00:15:55,576 But at that point, I just remember being scared. 232 00:15:57,998 --> 00:15:59,918 The hair on the back of my neck stood up, 233 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:01,879 and I knew something was wrong, 234 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,670 something was out of place. 235 00:16:03,713 --> 00:16:05,843 Not a word was said, 236 00:16:05,882 --> 00:16:07,682 and I remember just... 237 00:16:07,717 --> 00:16:10,047 almost running back home 238 00:16:10,094 --> 00:16:12,644 and constantly looking over my shoulder 239 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,310 to, to see if he was still there. 240 00:16:15,349 --> 00:16:17,099 I was truly fearful of him. 241 00:16:24,943 --> 00:16:27,993 - We begin trying to figure out ways 242 00:16:28,028 --> 00:16:31,568 to match up, now, these different geographic areas. 243 00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:34,986 So you have a series of bombs in Chicago, 244 00:16:35,035 --> 00:16:38,405 Utah, and now Northern California. 245 00:16:38,456 --> 00:16:40,786 Bombs are being placed 246 00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:42,844 and mailed from these locations, 247 00:16:42,877 --> 00:16:45,627 so the bomber has to be physically there. 248 00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:48,222 Are there data sets that you can acquire 249 00:16:48,257 --> 00:16:50,507 that you could begin filtering 250 00:16:50,551 --> 00:16:52,011 to look for somebody 251 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:55,564 who follows this pattern? 252 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:57,348 No one has seen the bomber, 253 00:16:57,391 --> 00:17:01,351 but we have behavioral experts who give us their assessments, 254 00:17:01,395 --> 00:17:03,515 and one of the things that is most likely 255 00:17:03,564 --> 00:17:06,114 is that the bomber is a, a white male, 256 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:07,990 uh, between 35 and 45, 257 00:17:09,487 --> 00:17:13,617 who is at least comfortable on University campuses, 258 00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:15,788 perhaps works at a University campus. 259 00:17:15,827 --> 00:17:17,747 All these things taken together 260 00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,957 mean that you can begin to paint a picture 261 00:17:19,998 --> 00:17:22,708 of the person who is doing this. 262 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:52,410 - It did detonate. 263 00:17:52,446 --> 00:17:54,946 It caused injuries to the assistant, 264 00:17:54,991 --> 00:17:57,661 the grad assistant that opened the package, 265 00:17:57,702 --> 00:17:59,792 and some temporary hearing loss 266 00:17:59,829 --> 00:18:02,959 by both Professor McConnell and the assistant. 267 00:18:02,999 --> 00:18:04,919 - I remember specifically 268 00:18:04,959 --> 00:18:07,549 a sense of the package expanding in my hands. 269 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:12,718 There's got to be a reason 270 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:16,099 that the bomber is choosing these people. 271 00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:17,716 Does he know them? 272 00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:20,474 Do they represent something to him? 273 00:18:20,516 --> 00:18:23,556 What is the connection that's making him pick these people 274 00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:26,313 out of the universe of people 275 00:18:26,355 --> 00:18:28,975 that he could use for his devices? 276 00:18:33,237 --> 00:18:34,947 - I was in Ann Arbor, 277 00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:38,239 and that's how I became involved in the case. 278 00:18:38,284 --> 00:18:39,994 I was doing a lot of investigation 279 00:18:40,036 --> 00:18:42,286 regarding Professor McConnell, 280 00:18:42,329 --> 00:18:43,659 trying to figure out-- 281 00:18:43,706 --> 00:18:46,536 basically, doing what we call a victimization, 282 00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:48,544 where you try to figure out 283 00:18:48,586 --> 00:18:51,206 who he might be in contact with 284 00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:54,835 or for what reasons somebody would send him a bomb, 285 00:18:54,884 --> 00:18:57,554 and what the connection was between McConnell 286 00:18:57,595 --> 00:18:59,385 and the previous victims, 287 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:02,600 and we weren't coming up with much. 288 00:19:02,642 --> 00:19:04,982 - Doctor McConnell is a professor of psychology. 289 00:19:05,019 --> 00:19:07,609 That is a new element to the case. 290 00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:11,323 Why now? We have a very - 291 00:19:11,358 --> 00:19:13,988 what appears to be a clear connection to universities 292 00:19:14,028 --> 00:19:15,778 and the airline industry, 293 00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:18,572 but now a psychologist. What does that mean? 294 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,276 It must mean something, 295 00:19:20,326 --> 00:19:23,116 but that's left for us to figure out what. 296 00:19:28,751 --> 00:19:31,001 Some traditional Michigan activities, 297 00:19:31,045 --> 00:19:33,125 curricular and extra curricular. 298 00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:36,548 - Ted was accepted into Michigan 299 00:19:36,592 --> 00:19:38,592 when he graduated from Harvard. 300 00:19:38,636 --> 00:19:41,136 He got here in 1962. 301 00:19:41,848 --> 00:19:44,478 He stayed at Michigan until 1967, 302 00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:47,897 when he got his Ph.D. in mathematics. 303 00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:50,267 And for the first three years he was here, 304 00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:53,484 he lived in East Quad, right here. 305 00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:57,066 We know a lot about what Ted was thinking. 306 00:19:57,113 --> 00:20:00,323 He wrote, hand-wrote, a very voluminous journal. 307 00:20:02,493 --> 00:20:04,543 This is what he wrote: 308 00:20:04,578 --> 00:20:06,368 "During my years at Michigan, 309 00:20:06,413 --> 00:20:09,133 I occasionally began having dreams. 310 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:12,247 Some psychologist would either be trying to convince me 311 00:20:12,294 --> 00:20:13,714 that I was "sick" 312 00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:17,134 or would be trying to control my mind. 313 00:20:17,175 --> 00:20:18,925 I would grow angrier, 314 00:20:18,968 --> 00:20:22,598 and finally, I would break out in physical violence. 315 00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:25,808 At the moment when I killed the psychologist, 316 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:29,600 I experienced a great feeling of relief and liberation. 317 00:20:32,857 --> 00:20:35,107 It was pretty obvious that he had 318 00:20:35,151 --> 00:20:37,571 some psychological problems that were pretty serious. 319 00:20:40,031 --> 00:20:42,781 I think in some ways, you know, the family was, 320 00:20:42,825 --> 00:20:44,445 "Okay, well, let's not talk about it. 321 00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:46,203 Let's let things settle down 322 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,745 and then we'll recover normalcy." 323 00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:53,420 You know, it was significant enough that, 324 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:56,050 you know, probably we should have sought help then. 325 00:20:58,298 --> 00:21:00,338 - According to his diary, 326 00:21:00,384 --> 00:21:02,894 those were not happy times for him. 327 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,520 He apparently had issues 328 00:21:08,059 --> 00:21:10,389 with his social awkwardness 329 00:21:10,436 --> 00:21:13,056 and I think it was a turning point for him, 330 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:15,516 in a lot of ways, in his thinking 331 00:21:15,566 --> 00:21:17,896 about his interaction with society. 332 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:44,474 - He had difficulties with the opposite sex 333 00:21:44,511 --> 00:21:48,141 and ultimately, that manifested itself 334 00:21:48,182 --> 00:21:52,562 into some thoughts about actually killing people. 335 00:21:52,603 --> 00:21:54,773 He became that angry. 336 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:57,074 I think maybe initially with himself, 337 00:21:57,108 --> 00:21:58,728 and ultimately with society, 338 00:21:58,776 --> 00:22:00,776 because he felt that uh... 339 00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:03,240 he was a victim to some extent. 340 00:22:05,532 --> 00:22:08,162 - He writes he was at the library 341 00:22:08,202 --> 00:22:10,702 and there was a girl there 342 00:22:11,914 --> 00:22:14,174 that, uh, he chatted with 343 00:22:14,208 --> 00:22:17,418 and he had a desire to spend more time, 344 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:19,091 to connect with her. 345 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:21,300 And she seemed available. 346 00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:26,797 - He talks about trying to get up the nerve to call her. 347 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:29,806 And ultimately, he never makes the call. 348 00:22:31,349 --> 00:22:34,649 He said something derogatory about the female 349 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:38,317 and I think that says something about, 350 00:22:38,356 --> 00:22:41,686 you know, Ted's maybe feeling of inadequacy. 351 00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:53,003 - At the very end of his last year in Michigan, 352 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,709 for about two weeks he had been having erotomanic fantasies 353 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,250 about being a woman. 354 00:22:58,294 --> 00:23:00,004 Now, it's not that Ted wanted to be a woman. 355 00:23:00,046 --> 00:23:02,456 There wasn't any kind of gender dysphoria. 356 00:23:02,506 --> 00:23:06,176 Ted fantasized about being a woman 357 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:09,099 because I think he couldn't have relationships with women. 358 00:23:09,138 --> 00:23:11,598 He'd never had an experience with a woman. 359 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,350 So, for whatever reason, he wanted a sex change. 360 00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:20,399 - So, he made an appointment to go see 361 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,690 the University of Michigan psychologist 362 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,275 at the health service and uh... 363 00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:27,741 he went to see them and at the last minute, 364 00:23:27,781 --> 00:23:30,701 decided he didn't want to talk about having a sex change. 365 00:23:32,286 --> 00:23:34,446 - He decided he couldn't go through with it. 366 00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:37,876 He couldn't talk about his erotomanic fetishes, 367 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,787 he couldn't talk about his desire for a sex change. 368 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:45,380 He described feeling extreme violent anger 369 00:23:45,423 --> 00:23:47,513 towards the psychiatrist. 370 00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:49,051 Feelings of rage and shame 371 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:52,139 and humiliation. 372 00:23:52,181 --> 00:23:54,141 And in 1966, 373 00:23:54,183 --> 00:23:57,443 this is where Ted begins to fantasize about killing. 374 00:23:57,477 --> 00:24:00,017 - "And so, I said to myself, 375 00:24:00,064 --> 00:24:02,864 why not really kill that psychiatrist 376 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:05,110 and anyone else whom I hate?" 377 00:24:08,446 --> 00:24:11,866 - All of his anger bubbles to a point 378 00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:14,119 where it's no longer contained. 379 00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:15,661 Just thinking about the homicides, 380 00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:17,584 writing in his diary, 381 00:24:17,623 --> 00:24:20,213 all of this provided him with a sense of relief, 382 00:24:20,251 --> 00:24:22,881 and also, sexual satisfaction. 383 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,630 Ted describes leaving this appointment 384 00:24:26,673 --> 00:24:28,933 as a major turning point in his life. 385 00:24:30,052 --> 00:24:31,432 In fact, he said, 386 00:24:31,469 --> 00:24:33,309 "Like a phoenix, 387 00:24:33,347 --> 00:24:36,057 I burst from the ashes of my despair 388 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:37,940 to glorious new hope." 389 00:24:39,603 --> 00:24:41,233 - "I will kill, 390 00:24:41,272 --> 00:24:44,232 but I will make at least some effort to avoid detection 391 00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,565 so that I can kill again." 392 00:24:48,486 --> 00:24:50,066 - He didn't do it for a while after that, 393 00:24:50,114 --> 00:24:52,034 but that's when he first thought of it, 394 00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:54,534 of actually killing human beings. 395 00:24:54,576 --> 00:24:56,036 - It is typical. 396 00:24:56,078 --> 00:24:57,908 The majority of serial killers don't start killing 397 00:24:57,955 --> 00:24:59,915 the second they get the inclination to. 398 00:24:59,957 --> 00:25:02,207 They wait, they think, they plan. 399 00:25:02,251 --> 00:25:04,711 Especially somebody like Ted who is so methodical, 400 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:06,763 so thoughtful, so calculating. 401 00:25:06,797 --> 00:25:08,967 He-he wasn't going to kill right away. 402 00:25:09,008 --> 00:25:12,468 And he didn't express those thoughts to anybody. 403 00:25:12,510 --> 00:25:14,760 Not to family, not to friends. 404 00:25:14,805 --> 00:25:17,345 He wrote them in his diary, 405 00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:18,641 but that's private. 406 00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,944 So how would you have been able to see 407 00:25:20,978 --> 00:25:23,688 whether or not Ted was going to be a homicidal offender? 408 00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:27,107 - We didn't know, of course, 409 00:25:27,151 --> 00:25:29,701 nobody knew what was waiting for Ted. 410 00:25:29,736 --> 00:25:32,566 It kind of looked like, "Wow, Ted is... 411 00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:36,244 Ted's future is bright, it's open, it's beautiful." 412 00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:40,790 I remember a picture of my brother in which he's... 413 00:25:40,831 --> 00:25:42,291 he's not quite looking at the camera, 414 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,173 he's looking off to the side, 415 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:48,090 and I saw, "Wow, he's looking into the future." 416 00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:51,300 A future maybe only he can see, you know? 417 00:25:51,342 --> 00:25:54,012 This hopeful vision of a future 418 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:56,313 that would be full of accomplishment 419 00:25:56,347 --> 00:25:58,637 and uh... good works. 420 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,400 I think the first really awful crisis 421 00:26:04,604 --> 00:26:06,614 we experienced as brothers 422 00:26:06,648 --> 00:26:10,398 was when I got a job working in the same factory 423 00:26:10,444 --> 00:26:12,454 that my father worked at 424 00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:14,818 and I was, um, living at home, 425 00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:17,405 and Ted said he wanted to earn some money. 426 00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:19,871 He came back to work in the same factory. 427 00:26:39,265 --> 00:26:40,595 - Something really surprised me. 428 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,810 He asked one of the girls there to go out with him 429 00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:45,692 and she started going out with him. 430 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:47,519 They had three or four dates 431 00:26:47,565 --> 00:26:49,815 and he came back seeming really happy. 432 00:26:49,858 --> 00:26:51,438 I mean, he even told me, 433 00:26:52,903 --> 00:26:56,873 burst into my room one day and said, "She kissed me." 434 00:26:56,907 --> 00:26:59,027 And then, after a few dates, 435 00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:01,826 the girl said that she really didn't-- 436 00:27:01,870 --> 00:27:03,370 wasn't romantically interested, 437 00:27:03,414 --> 00:27:06,134 that maybe they could be friends, 438 00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:08,996 and Ted was extremely upset. 439 00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:13,551 He wrote these limericks that he-- 440 00:27:13,591 --> 00:27:15,431 you know, very unflattering, 441 00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:17,468 ugly sort of limericks about her 442 00:27:17,511 --> 00:27:20,011 and he posted them around the worksite. 443 00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:25,692 I confronted him. I said, "Why are you doing this?" 444 00:27:25,727 --> 00:27:27,847 And she-he said, "You don't know what she did to me." 445 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,226 And I said... 446 00:27:30,857 --> 00:27:33,067 I basically threatened him that I would fire him, 447 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:36,110 'cause I had a small little job as a supervisor there. 448 00:27:37,531 --> 00:27:39,781 And sure enough, the next day, he came back 449 00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:41,575 and put another one of the limericks up. 450 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:45,834 "So, are you gonna fire me?" 451 00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:47,712 And I said, "Yeah, Ted, go home." 452 00:27:49,168 --> 00:27:51,838 - After he had been fired from his brother's factory, 453 00:27:51,878 --> 00:27:54,838 he ended up waiting in that woman's car. 454 00:27:57,717 --> 00:27:59,297 He had contemplated mutilating her, 455 00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:02,559 but decided against it. 456 00:28:05,476 --> 00:28:08,266 - There are a lot of elements of Kaczynski that are, 457 00:28:08,312 --> 00:28:10,062 that are hyper-masculine. 458 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:29,630 - In my opinion, he hated women. 459 00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:31,417 He had no use for us. 460 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:35,795 Butch was a bachelor, 461 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,879 so his house was a little messy. 462 00:28:37,924 --> 00:28:40,594 So the first like two weeks or so 463 00:28:40,636 --> 00:28:42,256 I was just kinda cleaning up, 464 00:28:42,304 --> 00:28:44,394 and I was just dinking around - 465 00:28:44,431 --> 00:28:46,231 I was 23, 466 00:28:46,266 --> 00:28:47,686 wasn't wearing many clothes. 467 00:28:50,145 --> 00:28:53,105 I turned around and there's this nasty looking guy 468 00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:56,358 peeping through our plant window. 469 00:28:56,402 --> 00:28:58,652 And I'm like, "What the heck?" 470 00:28:58,696 --> 00:29:01,316 So, I run into the bathroom and I throw some clothes on. 471 00:29:01,365 --> 00:29:03,115 I'm like, "Why didn't Butch teach me 472 00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:04,908 how to shoot a gun yet?" 473 00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:09,668 It was Ted, he wanted to know what day it was 474 00:29:09,707 --> 00:29:11,577 and what time it was and it... 475 00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:13,375 He was very polite, 476 00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:16,919 but it was like, this is really weird 477 00:29:16,963 --> 00:29:19,633 that you would, you know, 478 00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:22,425 wanna know what day it was and what time it was. 479 00:29:25,514 --> 00:29:28,894 - Ted had such an ideal situation with my place, 480 00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:32,154 because he could sit across in total hiding 481 00:29:32,187 --> 00:29:34,517 and peer out from behind a... 482 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:36,725 a big gravel pile, 483 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,435 and trees growing out of it, 484 00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:40,695 and he could sit and watch. 485 00:29:40,738 --> 00:29:44,158 He could sit and watch my wife, you know, 486 00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:46,369 jump into the hot tub with me. 487 00:29:48,036 --> 00:29:50,036 He watched. He would watch. 488 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,080 I mean, that sounds like a silly thing, 489 00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:54,634 but it does change things. You feel violated 490 00:29:54,668 --> 00:29:58,128 that your privacy has been taken away from you 491 00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:00,921 and now you no longer trust, 492 00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,426 well, is he there or is he not there? 493 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,350 - Just like Ted Kaczynski 494 00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:11,140 continually improved on his bombs, 495 00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:14,404 a sexual serial killer will continually improve 496 00:30:14,438 --> 00:30:17,018 on his rapes and abductions of-of women. 497 00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:18,935 And so, it's an addiction. 498 00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:20,944 And definitely that repetitive pattern, 499 00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:24,446 we, we certainly see in Kaczynski's bomb making. 500 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:26,450 I think the bombs were his sex. 501 00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:44,134 - So, if you keep having enough of these devices 502 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:46,466 sooner or later someone will get killed. 503 00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:50,313 They're, they're that good. 504 00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:53,559 It's not just a worry, it's a... a belief. 505 00:30:53,602 --> 00:30:56,862 They just haven't had the right set of circumstances 506 00:30:56,896 --> 00:30:58,816 for anyone to die yet. 507 00:31:04,988 --> 00:31:07,158 38-year-old Hugh Scrutton died 508 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:09,619 when he spotted a paper bag by a dumpster 509 00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,500 at the back of his store. 510 00:31:11,537 --> 00:31:14,287 When he picked up the device it exploded. 511 00:31:14,331 --> 00:31:16,881 Debris was blown through the walls of the building. 512 00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:20,336 Shrapnel was strewn 150 yards into a back parking lot. 513 00:31:21,797 --> 00:31:25,337 - Hugh Scrutton was a student at UC Berkeley 514 00:31:25,384 --> 00:31:27,974 at the time that Kaczynski was teaching there. 515 00:31:28,011 --> 00:31:30,681 And I think there's a good chance Scrutton 516 00:31:30,723 --> 00:31:32,893 wound up on Kaczynski's victim list 517 00:31:32,932 --> 00:31:35,272 because he'd caught his eye somehow. 518 00:31:45,445 --> 00:31:46,985 - He didn't forget anything. 519 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:50,240 Someone offended him some way or another, 520 00:31:50,283 --> 00:31:53,543 I would not doubt that they wound up on his victim list. 521 00:31:58,375 --> 00:31:59,995 - "Excellent. 522 00:32:00,043 --> 00:32:02,303 Humane way to eliminate somebody. 523 00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:04,297 He probably never felt a thing." 524 00:32:05,716 --> 00:32:08,296 - He expressed pleasure 525 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,143 because he had been able to increase 526 00:32:10,178 --> 00:32:12,638 the power of his bombs 527 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:15,561 as he became, you know, smarter with each one. 528 00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,731 And so, it's kind of chilling, 529 00:32:17,770 --> 00:32:21,150 and there is no tone of remorse. 530 00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,399 It is more pleasure 531 00:32:23,442 --> 00:32:27,072 in improving his skills at killing people. 532 00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:31,159 - You've had four devices in 1985, 533 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:33,239 one with a fatality. 534 00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,285 Everybody, of course, is expecting 535 00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:37,658 that the pace will pick up. 536 00:32:40,542 --> 00:32:42,592 - In order to put the FBI 537 00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:45,672 off their track, 538 00:32:45,714 --> 00:32:48,884 he deliberately went to a men's room in the bus station, 539 00:32:48,926 --> 00:32:52,046 picked up a number of pubic hairs 540 00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:53,755 and brought them back 541 00:32:53,806 --> 00:32:56,846 and inserted them in his next bomb, 542 00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:58,942 so that when the FBI 543 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:02,357 did their analysis of the bombing, 544 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:04,517 that they would find DNA strands 545 00:33:04,566 --> 00:33:06,066 that had nothing to do with him. 546 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:25,380 - February 20th, 1987, 547 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:27,340 another bomb was found 548 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:29,720 in the parking area of a computer store 549 00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:31,758 in Salt Lake City, Utah. 550 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:37,932 - I noticed there was this piece of wood 551 00:33:37,975 --> 00:33:39,885 sitting kind of next to the building, 552 00:33:39,935 --> 00:33:41,765 between the cars where I'd park. 553 00:33:43,229 --> 00:33:46,439 One of my employees saw him place the device 554 00:33:46,483 --> 00:33:47,943 in the parking lot. 555 00:33:47,985 --> 00:33:50,565 Um... didn't know it was a device, obviously. 556 00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:53,072 She got busy, the office got busy, 557 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:55,124 and it was just like, 558 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:57,038 "Enh, it's a piece of wood, whatever." 559 00:33:57,076 --> 00:33:59,576 There were four nails sticking out of this piece of wood. 560 00:33:59,621 --> 00:34:01,921 And I was thinking to myself, "That's kind of odd." 561 00:34:01,957 --> 00:34:03,667 But it was only a second, you know? 562 00:34:03,709 --> 00:34:05,459 I just hesitated for a second. 563 00:34:06,962 --> 00:34:09,762 I reached down. I put my fingers on the end, 564 00:34:09,798 --> 00:34:12,588 on the bottom piece, 565 00:34:12,634 --> 00:34:14,144 and when I lifted it, 566 00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:18,555 it sounded almost like a fighter jet. 567 00:34:18,598 --> 00:34:20,098 Just a screech. 568 00:34:20,141 --> 00:34:22,441 And I thought, "Oh, God, I might not make it." 569 00:34:24,855 --> 00:34:26,895 Everything went in slow motion 570 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:29,280 and the only way I can describe it is like, um, 571 00:34:29,317 --> 00:34:30,937 if you think about The Matrix, 572 00:34:30,986 --> 00:34:33,816 when he's dodging bullets and things like that. 573 00:34:33,864 --> 00:34:37,454 And I noticed these things that looked like needles, kind of, 574 00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:39,452 that were threaded through my shirt. 575 00:34:42,873 --> 00:34:44,793 - When you make a pipe bomb, 576 00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:48,713 the explosion will take the path of least resistance. 577 00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:52,174 And the pipe actually expands like a balloon 578 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:55,005 to a point when then it, it bursts. 579 00:34:55,052 --> 00:34:57,762 And the pipe itself becomes shrapnel. 580 00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:00,144 And then if you surround it with additional shrapnel, 581 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:02,561 it makes it extremely deadly. 582 00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:10,532 - You can see where the pieces of shrapnel tracked, 583 00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:12,607 directly along... along my face. 584 00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:15,322 You can see where it came into my chin, 585 00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:17,493 through the lower lip, 586 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:19,832 under the upper lip. 587 00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:22,408 The piece of metal that embedded below my nose, 588 00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:23,834 had it been out a fraction of an inch, 589 00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:25,292 probably would have gone straight in the brain. 590 00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:29,673 The guy before me was killed with the same bomb, 591 00:35:29,711 --> 00:35:32,171 just in a different package. 592 00:35:32,213 --> 00:35:34,423 I was experiment 121. 593 00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:45,137 I'm reading journal entries from what he calls experiments. 594 00:35:45,184 --> 00:35:47,274 "My device detonated, but the results, 595 00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:48,942 as far as we could find out, 596 00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:50,771 did not do enough to satisfy us." 597 00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:55,820 This is a picture of my left leg. 598 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:57,202 I mean, I'm looking at, you know, 599 00:35:57,238 --> 00:35:59,158 lots of different sizes of pieces, 600 00:35:59,198 --> 00:36:01,488 but, you know, you've got one, two, three, 601 00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:03,454 four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 602 00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:04,995 ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 603 00:36:05,038 --> 00:36:06,748 fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. 604 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:08,500 I mean, that's one small section, 605 00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:10,341 so I'm gonna take a guess 606 00:36:10,376 --> 00:36:12,086 that there's maybe fifty or so pieces of shrapnel 607 00:36:12,129 --> 00:36:13,919 on the one side of the leg. 608 00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:17,511 - A bomb is so impersonal. 609 00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:19,640 Unless you're physically there, you can't actually see it. 610 00:36:19,678 --> 00:36:21,678 You can't see the person suffer. 611 00:36:21,721 --> 00:36:24,141 You can't see the pain. 612 00:36:27,226 --> 00:36:29,646 - Common question asked of all serial killers, 613 00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:32,568 well, you know, what did it feel like to kill someone? 614 00:36:32,607 --> 00:36:35,357 And, and most serial killers say the same thing - 615 00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:37,031 didn't feel anything. 616 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:44,580 - As investigators, you cannot help but want to end this 617 00:36:44,619 --> 00:36:46,499 before it happens to the next person. 618 00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:49,498 And to give to the people who've been victimized 619 00:36:49,541 --> 00:36:51,171 some sense of... 620 00:36:52,627 --> 00:36:55,087 an answer to why this happened. 621 00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:57,630 Why was his store chosen? 622 00:36:57,674 --> 00:37:00,764 You know, he's probably asking himself that. 623 00:37:00,802 --> 00:37:03,392 But we don't have any good answers for them at this point. 624 00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:08,694 - The part that just becomes so weird is... 625 00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:10,057 why, 626 00:37:10,103 --> 00:37:11,773 and then why, and... 627 00:37:11,813 --> 00:37:13,523 and why again, right, 628 00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:15,725 um, would somebody try to kill you? 629 00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:19,315 Because it did come down to somebody tried to kill you 630 00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:20,702 and they're a murderer, 631 00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:23,199 so why would they do that to you? 632 00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:28,116 - What's different about this is that 633 00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:31,713 for the first time in the case the bomber is seen. 634 00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:33,790 It's huge. 635 00:37:33,835 --> 00:37:36,335 An employee inside the store 636 00:37:36,379 --> 00:37:39,419 notices some sort of movement through the window, 637 00:37:39,465 --> 00:37:42,755 they exchange looks for a couple of seconds perhaps. 638 00:37:42,802 --> 00:37:45,972 He finishes what he's doing and walks away. 639 00:37:46,014 --> 00:37:49,024 Immediately, the task force, the authorities there 640 00:37:49,059 --> 00:37:51,899 set to work creating a sketch 641 00:37:51,937 --> 00:37:54,557 of what the... the person had seen. 642 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:56,356 - He was wearing a hoodie, 643 00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:58,779 a hooded sweatshirt, 644 00:37:58,818 --> 00:38:01,238 and aviation sunglasses. 645 00:38:06,868 --> 00:38:08,908 Now investigators were able to derive 646 00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:11,334 the first police sketches of the elusive killer. 647 00:38:11,372 --> 00:38:12,962 A mustached man, 648 00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:15,249 apparently in his late twenties. 649 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,923 - So, everybody is speculating what he's like, 650 00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:21,553 including, you know, law enforcement. 651 00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:24,681 It-it's, of course, it's a feeding frenzy for the media. 652 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,969 Who is the Unabomber? 653 00:38:27,013 --> 00:38:28,513 This man is one of the most wanted 654 00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:30,306 criminals in America. 655 00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:32,689 He's a white man, five foot ten inches tall, 656 00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,437 with reddish blond hair, 657 00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:35,939 but no one knows his name. 658 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,619 The FBI hopes that someone, 659 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:56,956 in the northern California, San Francisco area 660 00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,172 the bomber is believed to live in, 661 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,712 will recognize this man and turn him in.