1 00:00:58,492 --> 00:01:02,862 Hey Siri, send a message to Cheryl. 2 00:01:02,864 --> 00:01:04,497 Front reception. 3 00:01:06,266 --> 00:01:07,801 What do you want to say? 4 00:01:08,736 --> 00:01:11,571 Amos is already heading there to pick him up, period. 5 00:01:11,573 --> 00:01:14,675 Please forward any calls I get to Brady, period. 6 00:01:14,876 --> 00:01:16,742 Your message to Cheryl front reception 7 00:01:16,744 --> 00:01:19,244 says Amos is already heading there to pick him up. 8 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:21,413 Please forward any calls I get to Brady. 9 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:22,615 Ready to send it? 10 00:01:22,617 --> 00:01:24,450 Yes. 11 00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:26,853 Okay, it's sent. 12 00:01:27,755 --> 00:01:29,656 Hey, Siri, 13 00:01:31,158 --> 00:01:33,794 how do you know if you're doing the right thing? 14 00:01:34,929 --> 00:01:37,296 I'm not sure I understand. 15 00:01:40,434 --> 00:01:41,333 But what do you believe 16 00:01:41,335 --> 00:01:44,337 is the difference between right and wrong? 17 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:46,639 Hmm. 18 00:01:46,641 --> 00:01:48,507 I don't have an answer for that. 19 00:01:48,509 --> 00:01:50,777 Would you like me to search the web? 20 00:01:50,812 --> 00:01:52,613 No. 21 00:01:52,747 --> 00:01:56,248 Okay, is there something else I can help with? 22 00:02:04,692 --> 00:02:06,391 Set a reminder to pick up Kyle 23 00:02:06,393 --> 00:02:09,529 from therapy tomorrow at 4:45. 24 00:02:10,497 --> 00:02:13,132 Okay, I'll remind you. 25 00:02:33,821 --> 00:02:36,321 Hi, special agent Deena Helms. 26 00:02:36,323 --> 00:02:37,389 You've already met Agent McCullough. 27 00:02:37,391 --> 00:02:38,724 You can call me Amos. 28 00:02:38,726 --> 00:02:42,529 -Uh, agents? -Have a seat for us, Gareth. 29 00:02:44,297 --> 00:02:46,633 Do you mind answering a couple questions? 30 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:50,369 Great, this shouldn't take long. 31 00:02:51,338 --> 00:02:54,473 You're from Tampa, right? 32 00:02:55,943 --> 00:02:58,477 Don't overthink it. It's a yes or no. 33 00:02:58,813 --> 00:03:00,012 Yeah. 34 00:03:00,014 --> 00:03:01,547 How old are you, Gareth? 35 00:03:01,549 --> 00:03:02,480 29. 36 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:03,983 What do you do for work? 37 00:03:03,985 --> 00:03:05,483 I'm sorry, am I being detained? 38 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:06,484 No, not at all. 39 00:03:06,486 --> 00:03:09,623 We're just asking questions, background stuff. 40 00:03:09,791 --> 00:03:11,857 You work on movies, right? 41 00:03:11,859 --> 00:03:13,727 Special effects. 42 00:03:14,294 --> 00:03:15,326 Someone told me you worked 43 00:03:15,328 --> 00:03:16,962 on that new "Star Wars" movie, is that right? 44 00:03:16,964 --> 00:03:18,430 Who told you that? 45 00:03:18,432 --> 00:03:20,298 Why don't you tell us more about it? 46 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:22,268 Tell us about your work. 47 00:03:23,705 --> 00:03:25,671 I used to do VFX for an animation company. 48 00:03:25,673 --> 00:03:26,739 I've worked on at least 20 different films. 49 00:03:26,741 --> 00:03:27,973 Used to? 50 00:03:27,975 --> 00:03:28,974 I've been focusing more 51 00:03:28,976 --> 00:03:30,609 on software engineering recently for years- 52 00:03:30,611 --> 00:03:32,377 Sounds boring compared to light sabers. 53 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:33,579 Why quit? 54 00:03:33,581 --> 00:03:34,680 I wasn't getting paid well. 55 00:03:34,682 --> 00:03:35,915 But money's not an issue for you. 56 00:03:35,917 --> 00:03:36,849 Excuse me? 57 00:03:36,851 --> 00:03:38,017 What kind of effects did you do? 58 00:03:38,019 --> 00:03:39,085 Money's not an issue for me? 59 00:03:39,087 --> 00:03:40,019 -Let's talk about- -If money wasn't an issue for me 60 00:03:40,021 --> 00:03:40,853 I wouldn't have applied for your grant. 61 00:03:40,855 --> 00:03:43,523 I didn't mean to suggest anything. 62 00:03:43,791 --> 00:03:46,225 Tell us what kind of effects you did. 63 00:03:48,495 --> 00:03:49,962 My main focus was on 3D renderings. 64 00:03:49,964 --> 00:03:51,296 Of what? 65 00:03:51,298 --> 00:03:52,865 -Actors. -What for? 66 00:03:52,867 --> 00:03:53,866 Well, for "Star Wars," 67 00:03:53,868 --> 00:03:55,735 it was because the actor I was tasked to digitize 68 00:03:55,737 --> 00:03:57,837 was unavailable to be filmed in person. 69 00:03:57,839 --> 00:03:59,472 Why? 70 00:03:59,874 --> 00:04:01,742 Because they were dead. 71 00:04:02,744 --> 00:04:04,644 What'd they have you do? 72 00:04:05,780 --> 00:04:07,947 I reconstructed Alec Guinness' face as a 3D model. 73 00:04:07,949 --> 00:04:09,181 I analyzed reference footage, 74 00:04:09,183 --> 00:04:11,550 then used a process called D-Term to procedurally generate 75 00:04:11,552 --> 00:04:12,518 his bone and muscle structures, 76 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,053 which one rigged helped the animation feel 77 00:04:14,055 --> 00:04:15,054 more natural and human-like. 78 00:04:15,056 --> 00:04:17,690 D-Term, I've never heard of that process before. 79 00:04:17,692 --> 00:04:19,024 Because I invented it. 80 00:04:19,026 --> 00:04:19,992 So you're basically bringing 81 00:04:19,994 --> 00:04:20,993 dead actors back to life? 82 00:04:20,995 --> 00:04:22,828 I just tried to make the CG characters look as 83 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:24,563 photorealistic as the technology at the time would allow. 84 00:04:24,565 --> 00:04:26,465 You didn't find it creepy? 85 00:04:26,501 --> 00:04:28,134 I'm sorry, what? 86 00:04:28,136 --> 00:04:30,336 I said you don't find that creepy? 87 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,405 Well, we did our best to cross the uncanny valley. 88 00:04:34,407 --> 00:04:35,641 But when the human brain perceives 89 00:04:35,643 --> 00:04:37,076 that something is just slightly off and it doesn't matter- 90 00:04:37,078 --> 00:04:38,343 No, I mean, digitizing dead people. 91 00:04:38,345 --> 00:04:39,477 Christ, I mean, it's, 92 00:04:39,479 --> 00:04:40,780 it's almost like turning someone's corpse 93 00:04:40,782 --> 00:04:41,914 into a marionette, you know? 94 00:04:41,916 --> 00:04:43,749 Making them do whatever you want. 95 00:04:43,751 --> 00:04:44,750 What if the poor dead guy 96 00:04:44,752 --> 00:04:47,385 didn't want to be in another fucking movie? 97 00:04:47,387 --> 00:04:48,687 It's so macabre. 98 00:04:48,689 --> 00:04:49,789 Am I crazy? Is it not macabre? 99 00:04:49,791 --> 00:04:50,890 I don't think the studio cares 100 00:04:50,892 --> 00:04:51,791 whether it's macabre or not. 101 00:04:51,793 --> 00:04:53,424 Look, I can never tell the difference. 102 00:04:53,426 --> 00:04:54,860 I always can. The faces look like Play-Doh. 103 00:04:54,862 --> 00:04:55,761 Well, we did our best. 104 00:04:55,763 --> 00:04:57,129 Soon we won't even need actors, right? 105 00:04:57,131 --> 00:04:58,631 Everyone will just be digital. 106 00:04:58,633 --> 00:05:00,398 No, you still need them for motion tracking. 107 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,433 Human performances can't be completely computer generated. 108 00:05:02,435 --> 00:05:04,470 How long will that be true? 109 00:05:07,608 --> 00:05:10,510 Some might say we've already crossed that threshold. 110 00:05:11,145 --> 00:05:13,079 I wouldn't know. 111 00:05:15,382 --> 00:05:16,582 Where'd you go to school? 112 00:05:16,584 --> 00:05:19,052 -Brooks-DeBartolo High. -And after? 113 00:05:19,954 --> 00:05:21,419 Nothing? 114 00:05:21,421 --> 00:05:22,121 What about Columbia? 115 00:05:22,123 --> 00:05:24,057 Didn't you go to Columbia? 116 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,959 Wait, no. You dropped out of Columbia 117 00:05:26,961 --> 00:05:29,829 after how many semesters? 118 00:05:29,831 --> 00:05:31,665 Three? 119 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:35,835 Bjarne Stroustrup said 120 00:05:35,837 --> 00:05:37,971 you were the smartest kid he ever met. 121 00:05:38,139 --> 00:05:42,374 I don't know who he is, but Amos says it's a big deal. 122 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:44,475 Then you moved to the Netherlands, 123 00:05:44,477 --> 00:05:46,679 spent some time as an intern, 124 00:05:46,681 --> 00:05:48,647 applied and got into Cambridge. 125 00:05:48,649 --> 00:05:49,648 Very nice. 126 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:52,085 Except that you dropped out after two years. 127 00:05:52,153 --> 00:05:53,552 Flew back to the States, 128 00:05:53,554 --> 00:05:56,121 interned in Palo Alto, then Montreal. 129 00:05:56,123 --> 00:05:57,590 Then went all the way back to England, 130 00:05:57,592 --> 00:05:58,991 where you landed a job in Sheffield. 131 00:05:58,993 --> 00:06:01,193 Second job in Manchester. 132 00:06:01,195 --> 00:06:03,996 Then got into Oxford where you almost finished your masters 133 00:06:03,998 --> 00:06:05,430 before ditching the graduation 134 00:06:05,432 --> 00:06:07,801 and moving back here to Florida. 135 00:06:11,572 --> 00:06:13,673 If money was an issue, 136 00:06:14,575 --> 00:06:17,143 I'm glad you had plenty of flyer miles. 137 00:06:18,212 --> 00:06:20,580 I didn't hear a question. 138 00:06:20,715 --> 00:06:22,549 What's your social life like? 139 00:06:22,717 --> 00:06:24,583 My, what does that have anything to do- 140 00:06:24,585 --> 00:06:25,718 If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine. 141 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,186 We just wanted to know if you have friends and stuff. 142 00:06:27,188 --> 00:06:28,888 -I have friends. -A lot of them? 143 00:06:28,890 --> 00:06:29,855 -I have friends. -Can you name one? 144 00:06:29,857 --> 00:06:31,223 - Can I what? - Can you tell us the nam 145 00:06:31,225 --> 00:06:33,491 of just one of your friends? 146 00:06:33,493 --> 00:06:35,594 - Steve. - Steve. Steve what? 147 00:06:35,596 --> 00:06:36,862 I don't know how this is relevant to receiving the grant. 148 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:39,132 Oh, we're just getting to know you, Gareth. 149 00:06:39,166 --> 00:06:40,799 You got a girlfriend? 150 00:06:40,801 --> 00:06:42,234 Boyfriend? 151 00:06:42,236 --> 00:06:44,103 You, uh, talk to people online? 152 00:06:44,105 --> 00:06:45,204 I don't know what you mean by that. 153 00:06:45,206 --> 00:06:46,672 I don't use social media. 154 00:06:46,674 --> 00:06:48,742 I mean more like chat rooms. 155 00:06:52,647 --> 00:06:54,881 You go on any chat rooms? 156 00:06:58,786 --> 00:07:00,853 No one uses chat rooms anymore. 157 00:07:00,855 --> 00:07:02,589 Sure they do. 158 00:07:03,691 --> 00:07:05,692 You chat with anyone online? 159 00:07:07,494 --> 00:07:09,629 - Sometimes. - Sometimes. 160 00:07:10,031 --> 00:07:12,832 What kinds of people do you talk to online? 161 00:07:13,935 --> 00:07:19,005 Gareth, obviously, this isn't about a grant. 162 00:07:19,173 --> 00:07:21,541 We need to know what your alias is. 163 00:07:21,976 --> 00:07:23,943 When you go online, what name do you use? 164 00:07:23,945 --> 00:07:25,144 I don't have one. 165 00:07:25,146 --> 00:07:26,779 Yes, you do. 166 00:07:26,781 --> 00:07:28,848 And you need to tell us what it is. 167 00:07:33,721 --> 00:07:35,789 Sorry, I can't help you. 168 00:07:45,733 --> 00:07:47,767 You know who we are? 169 00:07:48,836 --> 00:07:50,602 Well, this is the ICWL building. 170 00:07:50,604 --> 00:07:52,906 That's right. You know what we do? 171 00:07:53,207 --> 00:07:54,573 Humanitarian work. 172 00:07:54,575 --> 00:07:55,975 That's what the people upstairs do. 173 00:07:55,977 --> 00:07:58,178 You know what we do? 174 00:08:02,116 --> 00:08:04,217 We catch pedophiles. 175 00:08:05,886 --> 00:08:09,188 Amos here specializes in tracking down online predators. 176 00:08:09,190 --> 00:08:11,190 He spends every waking hour 177 00:08:11,192 --> 00:08:13,926 scouring those chat rooms you say no one uses 178 00:08:13,928 --> 00:08:17,630 and he finds thousands of people soliciting children. 179 00:08:17,698 --> 00:08:20,766 Our operation is like a tightly spun spider web 180 00:08:20,768 --> 00:08:23,635 connecting ICWL, the FBI, NSA, 181 00:08:23,637 --> 00:08:27,106 and let me tell you, his team here is a vital thread. 182 00:08:27,108 --> 00:08:29,942 He reports everything he gathers directly to me, 183 00:08:29,944 --> 00:08:32,077 and I see to it that the necessary authorities 184 00:08:32,079 --> 00:08:33,712 take swift action. 185 00:08:33,714 --> 00:08:35,147 So are you in charge? 186 00:08:35,149 --> 00:08:37,784 This is my spiderweb. 187 00:08:38,586 --> 00:08:41,221 I'm the fucking spider, Gareth. 188 00:08:44,158 --> 00:08:47,760 Am I being detained? 189 00:08:47,762 --> 00:08:49,194 We already told you that you're not detained. 190 00:08:49,196 --> 00:08:51,765 Good. 191 00:08:51,932 --> 00:08:54,934 But if you leave this room, you will be arrested. 192 00:09:00,241 --> 00:09:02,208 For what? 193 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:05,611 I told you what we do. 194 00:09:05,613 --> 00:09:07,313 Take a wild guess. 195 00:09:08,616 --> 00:09:10,215 I am not what you think I am. 196 00:09:10,217 --> 00:09:12,052 We'll see. 197 00:09:13,788 --> 00:09:16,355 Gareth, you just gotta tell us your alias. 198 00:09:16,357 --> 00:09:19,059 What's your username? 199 00:09:22,363 --> 00:09:24,197 Sit down. 200 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:40,846 - Why do you do this with them? - Hmm? 201 00:09:40,848 --> 00:09:43,148 There's no way you do this with every suspect you have. 202 00:09:43,150 --> 00:09:44,049 Invite them to your headquarters 203 00:09:44,051 --> 00:09:45,918 and then drag them down into a basement. 204 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,353 That's right. 205 00:09:47,421 --> 00:09:49,956 Why are you doing this to me then? 206 00:09:51,058 --> 00:09:52,391 You tell us, Gare. 207 00:09:52,393 --> 00:09:54,894 What makes you so fuckin' special? 208 00:09:56,330 --> 00:09:58,231 I don't know. 209 00:09:59,033 --> 00:10:00,732 What's your alias? 210 00:10:00,734 --> 00:10:04,604 -I don't have an alias. -Yes you do. 211 00:10:05,172 --> 00:10:07,307 It starts with the word hard. 212 00:10:08,042 --> 00:10:10,176 Just finish the rest. 213 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:12,878 Sit down, Mr. Federson. 214 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,281 I only have a few more questions. 215 00:10:27,128 --> 00:10:29,762 Do you recognize this girl? 216 00:10:37,438 --> 00:10:42,175 Do you know her? 217 00:10:44,145 --> 00:10:45,077 Yes. 218 00:10:45,079 --> 00:10:46,979 What's her name? 219 00:10:46,981 --> 00:10:48,380 Cherry. 220 00:10:48,382 --> 00:10:50,149 - Cherry what? - She doesn't have a last name. 221 00:10:50,151 --> 00:10:51,783 Yes, she does, Gareth, she's not Madonna. 222 00:10:51,785 --> 00:10:53,185 -She's a little girl. -You don't understand. 223 00:10:53,187 --> 00:10:54,052 Yeah, well, I'd like to. 224 00:10:54,054 --> 00:10:55,354 So help me out, is she your daughter? 225 00:10:55,356 --> 00:10:57,289 -No. -Then whose daughter is she? 226 00:10:57,291 --> 00:10:58,357 -She, she doesn't have-- -How did you meet her? 227 00:10:58,359 --> 00:10:59,458 I didn't meet her. 228 00:10:59,460 --> 00:11:01,460 Then why do you have photos of her on your computer? 229 00:11:01,462 --> 00:11:02,427 What the hell are you talking about? 230 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:04,263 Why do you fucking have photos 231 00:11:04,265 --> 00:11:05,497 of this girl on your fucking- 232 00:11:05,499 --> 00:11:06,365 Are you looking at my hard drive? 233 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:07,332 Because that's an invasion of privacy. 234 00:11:07,334 --> 00:11:09,268 So you know what photos I'm talking about? 235 00:11:09,270 --> 00:11:09,968 You don't have to do it this way. 236 00:11:09,970 --> 00:11:11,403 I gave you permission to sit in. 237 00:11:11,405 --> 00:11:13,438 I did not give you permission to speak. 238 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,773 This is insane, you cannot keep- 239 00:11:14,775 --> 00:11:15,741 What else have you done with her? 240 00:11:15,743 --> 00:11:17,242 - Nothing! - Did you take the photos? 241 00:11:17,244 --> 00:11:18,177 It's, it's complicated. 242 00:11:18,179 --> 00:11:19,778 No, it's not! Yes or no? 243 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:20,613 Did you take the photos? 244 00:11:20,615 --> 00:11:22,748 I didn't do anything wrong, okay? 245 00:11:22,750 --> 00:11:25,784 Soliciting pornography of minors is an egregious felony. 246 00:11:25,786 --> 00:11:28,754 Distributing that pornography is tenfold worse. 247 00:11:28,756 --> 00:11:31,023 -I didn't do anything! -Fucking prove it! 248 00:11:31,025 --> 00:11:34,360 What is your alias? 249 00:11:34,395 --> 00:11:35,894 Answer me! 250 00:11:35,896 --> 00:11:38,398 HardMachine11811. 251 00:11:56,016 --> 00:11:58,117 You're HardMachine. 252 00:11:59,253 --> 00:12:01,421 Thanks for confirming. 253 00:12:03,157 --> 00:12:05,558 If you knew, then why do this to me? 254 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:06,559 We weren't positive, 255 00:12:06,561 --> 00:12:08,293 and if you turned out to not be HardMachine, 256 00:12:08,295 --> 00:12:10,496 you were obviously just a predator. 257 00:12:15,002 --> 00:12:17,036 Do you keep track? 258 00:12:17,938 --> 00:12:21,073 I mean, do you know how many bad people you've nailed? 259 00:12:21,075 --> 00:12:23,008 I didn't start counting until 2023. 260 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:25,377 196 convictions. 261 00:12:25,379 --> 00:12:26,378 There were at least 30 262 00:12:26,380 --> 00:12:28,313 before I started sending everything to you guys. 263 00:12:28,315 --> 00:12:29,582 What'd you do before? 264 00:12:29,584 --> 00:12:30,449 I turned over 265 00:12:30,451 --> 00:12:31,917 all evidence directly to the police. 266 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:33,085 Why'd you stop? 267 00:12:33,087 --> 00:12:34,953 They were unreliable. 268 00:12:34,955 --> 00:12:36,488 -I doubt that. -More than half of the predators 269 00:12:36,490 --> 00:12:37,990 I identified went un-investigated. 270 00:12:37,992 --> 00:12:39,491 Yeah, well, you were sketchy and faceless. 271 00:12:39,493 --> 00:12:41,893 They had every right to be skeptical. 272 00:12:41,895 --> 00:12:43,061 It would've all been for nothing 273 00:12:43,063 --> 00:12:44,896 if they found out you were using a little girl as bait. 274 00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:45,831 It's not that simple, okay? 275 00:12:45,833 --> 00:12:48,568 I can only do what I do with anonymity. 276 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:50,570 Here's my problem, Gareth, and don't get me wrong. 277 00:12:50,572 --> 00:12:52,371 I think 200 terrible people behind bars 278 00:12:52,373 --> 00:12:55,374 is a very good thing, but not at her expense. 279 00:12:55,376 --> 00:12:57,510 Look, we think we can help you, 280 00:12:57,512 --> 00:12:59,111 but we need to help her too. 281 00:12:59,113 --> 00:13:02,347 Using your daughter to entrap these people 282 00:13:02,349 --> 00:13:03,448 is a means that does not justify the ends. 283 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:04,517 She's not my daughter. 284 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:05,585 And in spite of what you may think you've achieved, 285 00:13:05,587 --> 00:13:07,419 I still have no reservation with locking you up. 286 00:13:07,421 --> 00:13:08,954 You took the photos. 287 00:13:08,956 --> 00:13:10,122 I don't care why. 288 00:13:10,124 --> 00:13:11,957 You don't understand. 289 00:13:11,959 --> 00:13:13,058 Who is she? 290 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:14,594 You're gonna ruin everything. 291 00:13:14,596 --> 00:13:18,364 She's a child, Gareth, look at me. 292 00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:22,602 I don't give a damn what fucked up anti-hero master plan 293 00:13:22,604 --> 00:13:24,236 of yours I might jeopardize. 294 00:13:24,238 --> 00:13:25,971 I won't let her be exploited. 295 00:13:25,973 --> 00:13:28,542 Not even for the sake of locking up more perverts. 296 00:13:29,176 --> 00:13:32,210 I'm asking you politely to let this one go. 297 00:13:32,212 --> 00:13:33,879 Are you fucking slow? 298 00:13:33,881 --> 00:13:34,781 Have you been listening at all? 299 00:13:34,783 --> 00:13:37,449 My anonymity is my most important asset. 300 00:13:37,451 --> 00:13:39,184 Without that, I can't do what I do. 301 00:13:39,186 --> 00:13:41,854 Well, that makes everything easy then. 302 00:13:42,256 --> 00:13:44,456 You tell us where she is, or we leak everything. 303 00:13:44,458 --> 00:13:46,091 -Your name, your aliases. -Deena! 304 00:13:46,093 --> 00:13:48,160 Every single perp you helped us catch. 305 00:13:48,162 --> 00:13:50,095 I'm sure they'll be very pleased to meet you in jail. 306 00:13:50,097 --> 00:13:51,263 Stop! 307 00:13:51,265 --> 00:13:53,032 Okay. 308 00:13:55,603 --> 00:13:57,537 Look, if I tell you about Cherry, okay, 309 00:13:57,539 --> 00:14:00,006 there's some things I'm gonna need first. 310 00:14:00,207 --> 00:14:02,140 It doesn't really work like that, Gareth, but go ahead. 311 00:14:02,142 --> 00:14:03,375 Give us your wishlist. 312 00:14:03,377 --> 00:14:05,243 I need a signed non-disclosure agreement from both of you. 313 00:14:05,245 --> 00:14:06,478 -Not gonna happen. -And then I need you to swear 314 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,613 that the information I'm about to relay 315 00:14:07,615 --> 00:14:09,114 won't leave this room. 316 00:14:09,116 --> 00:14:10,415 Look, if you tell us anything 317 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:11,551 that could help us locate Cherry, 318 00:14:11,553 --> 00:14:14,420 you know we can't keep that promise. 319 00:14:15,222 --> 00:14:16,922 Okay, if I tell you anything 320 00:14:16,924 --> 00:14:19,559 that potentially helps you find a missing child, 321 00:14:19,561 --> 00:14:20,593 okay, you can feel free to share that. 322 00:14:20,595 --> 00:14:21,561 But I need you to swear 323 00:14:21,563 --> 00:14:25,331 that any other details about myself or Cherry, 324 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:28,067 have to stay between the three of us. 325 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:31,104 Is that it? 326 00:14:32,507 --> 00:14:34,541 And I need that camera switched off. 327 00:14:35,677 --> 00:14:36,975 I don't know how to do that. 328 00:14:36,977 --> 00:14:38,210 Go to the head of securities office, 329 00:14:38,212 --> 00:14:40,613 ask him to find this camera in the system and disable it. 330 00:14:40,615 --> 00:14:42,915 I don't think he's allowed to do that. 331 00:14:43,317 --> 00:14:45,451 I thought you were the fucking spider? 332 00:14:49,123 --> 00:14:50,455 Give me a reason, Gareth. 333 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:51,591 Why should I go through all the trouble 334 00:14:51,593 --> 00:14:53,926 of getting that camera turned off? 335 00:14:54,629 --> 00:14:57,598 Because if anybody finds out what I'm about to tell you, 336 00:14:58,533 --> 00:15:01,401 a thousand more children are gonna get abused. 337 00:15:04,438 --> 00:15:06,272 Give me a minute. 338 00:15:20,988 --> 00:15:27,293 So, uh, you and Cherry hunted all those people together? 339 00:15:33,768 --> 00:15:36,769 This one time I spent six weeks undercover trying 340 00:15:36,771 --> 00:15:40,139 to nail down a single trafficker from the Philippines. 341 00:15:41,041 --> 00:15:42,174 Day after day, 342 00:15:42,176 --> 00:15:45,545 I spent hour after hour following his trail online. 343 00:15:45,547 --> 00:15:46,679 And he must have been 344 00:15:46,681 --> 00:15:49,949 one of the hardest targets I ever had to track down. 345 00:15:51,786 --> 00:15:57,189 Then one day I found him and one of Cherry's live streams. 346 00:15:57,191 --> 00:15:59,090 I mean, she went by a different name in the stream, 347 00:15:59,092 --> 00:16:01,494 but it was her. 348 00:16:02,029 --> 00:16:03,161 The trafficker, 349 00:16:03,163 --> 00:16:04,429 along with three of our other targets 350 00:16:04,431 --> 00:16:06,465 were all in the room together. 351 00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:13,072 All of them just carelessly sharing their information. 352 00:16:13,608 --> 00:16:18,644 I mean, and they were so open 'cause she was a real girl. 353 00:16:18,646 --> 00:16:20,412 I mean, she could physically 354 00:16:20,414 --> 00:16:23,550 and verbally respond to them in real time. 355 00:16:26,119 --> 00:16:32,057 A couple days later, HardMachine11811 sends ICWL 356 00:16:32,059 --> 00:16:33,726 another batch of names and evidence, 357 00:16:33,728 --> 00:16:37,997 including the three targets that were in the room. 358 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,535 You know, I almost thought the girl was HardMachine 359 00:16:42,537 --> 00:16:44,302 and that this nine year old 360 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:48,542 just happened to be some badass online vigilante. 361 00:16:50,143 --> 00:16:52,245 What changed your mind? 362 00:16:54,749 --> 00:16:57,283 11811. 363 00:16:57,585 --> 00:17:01,253 January 18th, 2011. 364 00:17:01,255 --> 00:17:06,125 Most of my team thought it was, uh, some arbitrary number, 365 00:17:06,528 --> 00:17:11,097 but I remember what happened on that day in Clearwater. 366 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:16,035 You were one of the Clearwater kids, weren't you? 367 00:17:16,604 --> 00:17:19,639 You know, my father was a part of that raid. 368 00:17:22,376 --> 00:17:23,441 It's off, see? 369 00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:24,844 No red light. 370 00:17:24,846 --> 00:17:25,711 Non-disclosure agreements? 371 00:17:25,713 --> 00:17:26,812 We're not playing this game, Gareth. 372 00:17:26,814 --> 00:17:29,816 You're just gonna have to suck it up and trust us. 373 00:17:33,521 --> 00:17:36,188 You can trust us. 374 00:17:38,191 --> 00:17:39,725 I've been told I have trust issues. 375 00:17:39,727 --> 00:17:42,596 Well, there's only one way to fix that. 376 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:53,271 The reason you can't find Cherry, 377 00:17:53,273 --> 00:17:56,408 the reason why she doesn't have a last name or parents, 378 00:17:56,410 --> 00:18:02,181 or a social security number is because she's not real. 379 00:18:03,283 --> 00:18:05,484 She's not a real human being. 380 00:18:08,623 --> 00:18:10,624 Tell us what happened. 381 00:18:14,194 --> 00:18:15,695 While I was studying abroad, 382 00:18:15,697 --> 00:18:18,430 I interned at a small Dutch animation studio 383 00:18:18,432 --> 00:18:19,799 a few years before they collaborated 384 00:18:19,801 --> 00:18:22,334 with a local nonprofit on a similar idea. 385 00:18:22,336 --> 00:18:23,870 Which was? 386 00:18:24,371 --> 00:18:25,938 The idea was to build a 3D model 387 00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:27,807 of an 11 year old Filipino girl 388 00:18:27,809 --> 00:18:30,743 and use her covertly to identify online predators, 389 00:18:30,745 --> 00:18:33,713 A technological solution to a technological problem. 390 00:18:33,715 --> 00:18:35,581 But the project was suspended after only a few months. 391 00:18:35,583 --> 00:18:36,481 Yeah, I remember. 392 00:18:36,483 --> 00:18:38,517 I remember hearing about that program. 393 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:40,520 Is that what inspired you? 394 00:18:40,622 --> 00:18:41,887 As I got better at crafting photorealistic faces, 395 00:18:41,889 --> 00:18:43,522 I decided to work on one myself. 396 00:18:43,524 --> 00:18:45,323 Why? 397 00:18:45,325 --> 00:18:47,727 It was too effective of an idea to let die. 398 00:18:47,729 --> 00:18:50,195 Hundreds of thousands of children are at risk. 399 00:18:50,197 --> 00:18:51,229 I had to make her. 400 00:18:51,231 --> 00:18:52,531 Who is she modeled after? 401 00:18:52,533 --> 00:18:53,633 No one, I built her from scratch. 402 00:18:53,635 --> 00:18:54,767 Scratch? 403 00:18:54,769 --> 00:18:57,302 I started with a skull, designed her bone structure, 404 00:18:57,304 --> 00:18:58,871 worked upwards through muscles and tissue, 405 00:18:58,873 --> 00:19:00,773 used the D-Term program to fill in the rest procedurally. 406 00:19:00,775 --> 00:19:04,610 Eventually she came to look like that. 407 00:19:04,612 --> 00:19:07,278 A completely unique, completely digital model. 408 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,446 I rigged her face and body 409 00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:09,447 the way you would for any CG character. 410 00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:11,585 Then for three years, 411 00:19:11,719 --> 00:19:13,820 I used motion tracking to puppeteer her in real time. 412 00:19:14,055 --> 00:19:14,620 You gotta understand that the video chats on those sites 413 00:19:14,622 --> 00:19:15,621 have such low resolution 414 00:19:15,623 --> 00:19:18,390 that even in her earliest stage of this, she, 415 00:19:18,392 --> 00:19:22,261 we appeared completely authentic. 416 00:19:22,563 --> 00:19:24,564 And what about voice? 417 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:25,831 For most of her first year, she had to be mute. 418 00:19:25,833 --> 00:19:28,000 But eventually I found a decent voice filter with no lag. 419 00:19:28,002 --> 00:19:29,502 And after a few tweaks and adjustments, 420 00:19:29,504 --> 00:19:31,737 it's been the same voice ever since. 421 00:19:31,739 --> 00:19:33,673 I, I, I thought initially, 422 00:19:33,675 --> 00:19:35,841 my performance was going to be too unnatural. 423 00:19:35,843 --> 00:19:40,680 But with just one week of occasional video chat sessions, 424 00:19:40,682 --> 00:19:42,648 I secured six different names, 425 00:19:42,650 --> 00:19:45,451 mailing addresses, proofs of solicitations. 426 00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:46,819 Cherry worked. 427 00:19:46,821 --> 00:19:48,688 So the photos on your computer? 428 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:50,656 - Completely fake. - It was the only way 429 00:19:50,658 --> 00:19:51,757 some of them disclosed personal information. 430 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:54,627 But it was all zeros and ones, all digital, right? 431 00:19:54,629 --> 00:19:56,629 -There's no real child. -No real child. 432 00:19:56,631 --> 00:19:58,564 Just a highly detailed computer model. 433 00:19:58,566 --> 00:20:00,633 And let me be clear about something, 434 00:20:00,635 --> 00:20:01,433 I derive no pleasure from doing any of this. 435 00:20:01,435 --> 00:20:03,435 I've been asexual my entire life. 436 00:20:03,437 --> 00:20:05,303 I, I don't even get a sense of satisfaction 437 00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:07,440 from seeing these people locked up. 438 00:20:07,842 --> 00:20:11,377 I just think kids deserve a life free of exploitation. 439 00:20:12,046 --> 00:20:15,982 Incredible, all this time. 440 00:20:16,017 --> 00:20:17,482 I'm not gonna lie, Gareth. 441 00:20:17,484 --> 00:20:19,820 Cherry's done us a lot of good. 442 00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:21,654 You know, I still remember what you said to me 443 00:20:21,656 --> 00:20:23,757 the first time we corresponded. 444 00:20:23,858 --> 00:20:26,357 -You said- -We corresponded? 445 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,760 Yeah, man. 446 00:20:27,762 --> 00:20:29,629 I'm Gord51. 447 00:20:29,797 --> 00:20:32,498 I'm the one here you've been sending all your intel to. 448 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,767 You're Gord? 449 00:20:34,769 --> 00:20:36,803 Yeah. 450 00:20:38,005 --> 00:20:39,740 You lied to me. 451 00:20:39,941 --> 00:20:41,907 You said I could stay anonymous. 452 00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:44,511 You said I would be safe. 453 00:20:45,312 --> 00:20:47,379 Now you've ruined everything. 454 00:20:47,548 --> 00:20:48,914 I, I didn't, I didn't have a choice. 455 00:20:48,916 --> 00:20:50,315 You don't have to worry about anything, Gareth. 456 00:20:50,317 --> 00:20:51,416 If Cherry isn't real, 457 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:53,687 then you're not in any trouble with us. 458 00:20:53,921 --> 00:20:56,756 In fact, we've discussed ideas similar to this in the past, 459 00:20:56,758 --> 00:20:57,757 motion tracking and such. 460 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:00,559 But we'd need a convincing model like Cherry. 461 00:21:00,561 --> 00:21:01,392 Cherry's more than a model. 462 00:21:01,394 --> 00:21:02,862 You want to help children? So do we. 463 00:21:02,864 --> 00:21:03,996 She's not for sale. 464 00:21:03,998 --> 00:21:05,798 Well, then just make us a new model based off of her. 465 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,966 I can't. 466 00:21:06,968 --> 00:21:07,967 Sure you can. 467 00:21:07,969 --> 00:21:09,803 I won't. 468 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:14,007 What are you not telling us? 469 00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:16,876 It's out on the table now. 470 00:21:16,878 --> 00:21:19,913 Might as well spill whatever it is you haven't already. 471 00:21:24,585 --> 00:21:27,453 You know what doesn't make sense? 472 00:21:27,922 --> 00:21:31,123 You said that you puppeteered her for only three years, 473 00:21:31,125 --> 00:21:34,460 but we've been getting info from you ever since. 474 00:21:35,062 --> 00:21:36,762 In fact, I'm pretty sure it was around then 475 00:21:36,764 --> 00:21:40,801 that we started seeing an impressive increase of names. 476 00:21:41,035 --> 00:21:43,870 So many in fact that we started thinking 477 00:21:44,404 --> 00:21:46,471 there's no way this is all coming from one source. 478 00:21:46,473 --> 00:21:47,973 I have friends that do mo-cap for me. 479 00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:51,511 Oh, friends, like Steve? 480 00:21:51,779 --> 00:21:54,480 I thought anonymity was your greatest asset. 481 00:21:56,150 --> 00:21:58,785 Cut the bullshit, Gareth. 482 00:21:59,486 --> 00:22:01,822 What happened to Cherry after three years? 483 00:22:07,695 --> 00:22:11,664 Okay, you said that she was more than a model. 484 00:22:11,666 --> 00:22:15,134 So what is she some type of conversational agent? 485 00:22:15,136 --> 00:22:17,670 Like a, like a chat bot? 486 00:22:17,672 --> 00:22:22,008 Chat bot. 487 00:22:25,746 --> 00:22:28,047 You know what happened after three years? 488 00:22:28,049 --> 00:22:30,015 My chosen mother died. 489 00:22:30,017 --> 00:22:30,950 What she left behind was enough to quit my job 490 00:22:30,952 --> 00:22:33,786 and pursue more resources and software. 491 00:22:33,788 --> 00:22:34,720 I'd already made a program 492 00:22:34,722 --> 00:22:35,821 that could procedurally generate faces, 493 00:22:35,823 --> 00:22:38,057 but what I wanted for Cherry was far more complex. 494 00:22:38,059 --> 00:22:40,025 So I got in touch with some researchers 495 00:22:40,027 --> 00:22:41,093 from Madrid who'd already built 496 00:22:41,095 --> 00:22:43,461 a predator hunting dialogue system of their own. 497 00:22:43,463 --> 00:22:45,764 It was trained to approach conversations as a game. 498 00:22:45,766 --> 00:22:47,498 Each sentence like a strategic volley, 499 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,868 which is innovative but ultimately flawed. 500 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:50,569 If you want your machine to master NLP, 501 00:22:50,571 --> 00:22:51,369 you have to break down game theory 502 00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:53,038 because language isn't tic-tac-toe. 503 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,139 It's poetry. 504 00:22:54,141 --> 00:22:55,641 So yes, I got things started 505 00:22:55,643 --> 00:22:56,909 with a preexisting modified chat bot 506 00:22:56,911 --> 00:22:58,010 that I borrowed without permission 507 00:22:58,012 --> 00:23:00,013 from the University of Deusto. 508 00:23:04,652 --> 00:23:07,354 But that's not what Cherry is now. 509 00:23:09,891 --> 00:23:11,558 What is she, Gareth? 510 00:23:13,995 --> 00:23:15,194 She's one of the most complex 511 00:23:15,196 --> 00:23:18,631 and independently evolving AIs that's ever been created. 512 00:23:18,633 --> 00:23:19,632 Artificial intelligence? 513 00:23:19,634 --> 00:23:21,533 She's already surpassed the narrow intelligence 514 00:23:21,535 --> 00:23:23,636 of IBM's smartest programs. 515 00:23:23,638 --> 00:23:26,839 She can have full conversations, up to 10 of them at a time, 516 00:23:26,841 --> 00:23:28,874 all while simultaneously strategizing 517 00:23:28,876 --> 00:23:31,944 the most efficient schedule to visit various chat rooms. 518 00:23:31,946 --> 00:23:34,546 She's perpetually studying YouTube videos of small children 519 00:23:34,548 --> 00:23:36,048 in order to adopt a growing library 520 00:23:36,050 --> 00:23:38,084 of mannerisms and movements 521 00:23:38,152 --> 00:23:40,485 which help keep her artificial personality dynamic. 522 00:23:40,487 --> 00:23:41,887 Her fastest response time is 0.4 seconds. 523 00:23:41,889 --> 00:23:43,255 And as of now, she has never, 524 00:23:43,257 --> 00:23:44,890 never been accused of being fake, 525 00:23:44,892 --> 00:23:46,625 which means she shattered the Turing test. 526 00:23:46,627 --> 00:23:48,093 All I do is occasionally update her 527 00:23:48,095 --> 00:23:49,494 and periodically check her data cleaning. 528 00:23:49,496 --> 00:23:51,131 Otherwise, 529 00:23:52,233 --> 00:23:54,668 she's completely on autopilot. 530 00:23:58,739 --> 00:24:01,041 Holy fucking shit. 531 00:24:04,578 --> 00:24:05,711 -How? -Six years she's been active. 532 00:24:05,713 --> 00:24:07,713 Every minute she's online, she's learning something. 533 00:24:07,715 --> 00:24:10,115 The more she learns, the more advanced she becomes. 534 00:24:10,117 --> 00:24:11,283 This means increased data generation, 535 00:24:11,285 --> 00:24:12,551 improved decision making, 536 00:24:12,553 --> 00:24:13,819 faster pattern and trend detection 537 00:24:13,821 --> 00:24:14,954 and complex problem solving. 538 00:24:14,956 --> 00:24:18,157 NLP, IR, machine learning to an unprecedented degree. 539 00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:19,224 She can teach herself anything 540 00:24:19,226 --> 00:24:21,026 she thinks will help efficiency and authenticity. 541 00:24:21,028 --> 00:24:23,563 She can currently speak four languages 542 00:24:23,831 --> 00:24:24,697 and by the end of this month, she'll have mastered a fifth. 543 00:24:24,699 --> 00:24:26,098 There's no way you could have pulled 544 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,101 all this off on your own. 545 00:24:31,072 --> 00:24:32,906 You're right. 546 00:24:34,041 --> 00:24:35,174 Would you believe me if I told you 547 00:24:35,176 --> 00:24:39,112 it was somewhat of an accident? 548 00:24:40,181 --> 00:24:42,816 Look, if, if I'm being honest, 549 00:24:43,217 --> 00:24:45,785 I'm not entirely sure how I did it 550 00:24:46,253 --> 00:24:47,653 with the first year of coding 551 00:24:47,655 --> 00:24:49,789 and the second year of data training, 552 00:24:49,857 --> 00:24:52,691 I just pushed a wheel down a hill. 553 00:24:52,693 --> 00:24:55,228 It was like gravity did the rest. 554 00:24:55,262 --> 00:25:00,200 Her evolution became perpetual, exponentially so. 555 00:25:01,602 --> 00:25:05,037 The more time she was online, the faster she grew. 556 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:06,605 You haven't shared this with anyone? 557 00:25:06,607 --> 00:25:10,710 Like I said, my anonymity is everything. 558 00:25:12,346 --> 00:25:14,246 What coding language? 559 00:25:14,248 --> 00:25:15,781 Standard C . 560 00:25:15,783 --> 00:25:17,584 Does Brady know it? 561 00:25:19,887 --> 00:25:22,188 We'll sign non-disclosures for you, 562 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:23,922 but I want to see the source code first. 563 00:25:23,924 --> 00:25:25,724 Out of the question. You just want to steal her. 564 00:25:25,726 --> 00:25:27,826 No, I want to see how we can make our own. 565 00:25:27,828 --> 00:25:28,827 You'll screw it up. 566 00:25:28,829 --> 00:25:30,596 Look, these, these predators and traffickers, 567 00:25:30,598 --> 00:25:31,764 they all talk to each other, okay? 568 00:25:31,766 --> 00:25:34,033 So much of Cherry's process is just bypassing the VPNs 569 00:25:34,035 --> 00:25:36,168 and making sure she doesn't double up in the same circles. 570 00:25:36,170 --> 00:25:37,703 The chat rooms begin to suspect 571 00:25:37,705 --> 00:25:39,071 that this technology is even possible, 572 00:25:39,073 --> 00:25:40,172 they'll find a way to circumvent that. 573 00:25:40,174 --> 00:25:41,673 We have to eliminate any margin of error. 574 00:25:41,675 --> 00:25:43,008 -Cherry agrees with me. -Cherry agrees? 575 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:44,109 What the fuck does that- 576 00:25:44,111 --> 00:25:45,911 What I mean by that is that the data she's collected 577 00:25:45,913 --> 00:25:46,912 validates that perspective. 578 00:25:46,914 --> 00:25:48,247 What, do you have little chats with her over tea? 579 00:25:48,249 --> 00:25:50,249 You can converse with the program 580 00:25:50,251 --> 00:25:51,950 the same way you can talk to Alexa or Siri. 581 00:25:51,952 --> 00:25:53,085 It's built to be responsive. 582 00:25:53,087 --> 00:25:54,920 You can, you can even play chess with it if you want. 583 00:25:54,922 --> 00:25:55,754 You play chess with it? 584 00:25:55,756 --> 00:25:57,322 -That's not what I said. -Okay fine. 585 00:25:57,324 --> 00:25:59,625 If you won't show us the source code, 586 00:25:59,627 --> 00:26:01,594 then I want to meet Cherry. 587 00:26:03,998 --> 00:26:05,832 Right now? 588 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:07,333 Right now. 589 00:26:10,371 --> 00:26:12,639 And you'll both sign non-disclosures? 590 00:26:12,973 --> 00:26:14,808 Yes. 591 00:26:18,946 --> 00:26:20,112 Can I use that? 592 00:26:20,114 --> 00:26:21,948 Sure. 593 00:26:40,801 --> 00:26:43,202 Can we at least agree that he's off the chopping block? 594 00:26:43,204 --> 00:26:44,937 It worked, didn't it? 595 00:26:44,939 --> 00:26:47,140 We have one job, Amos, 596 00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:49,208 like the kids said, there's a technological problem. 597 00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:50,909 He found the technological solution, 598 00:26:50,911 --> 00:26:53,912 but problems evolve, so must solutions. 599 00:26:53,914 --> 00:26:56,649 I'm keeping an open mind here. 600 00:26:56,684 --> 00:26:58,250 Is that a good look for me? 601 00:26:58,252 --> 00:27:00,120 No. 602 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:06,024 So you keep it all on that laptop? 603 00:27:06,026 --> 00:27:07,392 No, the Cherry program stays on a server I keep 604 00:27:07,394 --> 00:27:09,061 at in an undisclosed location. 605 00:27:09,063 --> 00:27:10,129 Where is that? 606 00:27:10,131 --> 00:27:11,830 It's an undisclosed location. 607 00:27:11,832 --> 00:27:12,764 Is it your place? 608 00:27:12,766 --> 00:27:14,299 Undisclosed location. 609 00:27:14,301 --> 00:27:15,033 It's your place, isn't it? 610 00:27:15,035 --> 00:27:16,401 I can access it from any device 611 00:27:16,403 --> 00:27:19,005 as long as I have the encryption key. 612 00:27:20,274 --> 00:27:21,773 This will trigger a simple qubit algorithm 613 00:27:21,775 --> 00:27:23,809 that would otherwise be impossible to bypass. 614 00:27:23,811 --> 00:27:25,777 I find that outdated hardware is always more discreet 615 00:27:25,779 --> 00:27:28,148 and the more discreet, obviously the better. 616 00:27:31,185 --> 00:27:33,185 So she has two primary display modes, right? 617 00:27:33,187 --> 00:27:34,186 Development and performance. 618 00:27:34,188 --> 00:27:35,354 Performance being the default 619 00:27:35,356 --> 00:27:37,055 that the targets see during the chats. 620 00:27:37,057 --> 00:27:40,960 To them, she looks like this. 621 00:27:46,433 --> 00:27:48,167 Hey, what's up? 622 00:27:48,169 --> 00:27:50,737 It's one of over 40 greetings she has. 623 00:27:52,907 --> 00:27:54,139 I don't think I've met you yet. 624 00:27:54,141 --> 00:27:55,407 I'm Cherry. 625 00:27:55,409 --> 00:27:56,408 Hello, Cherry. 626 00:27:56,410 --> 00:27:58,210 My name is Tom. 627 00:27:58,212 --> 00:28:00,245 Tom, like Tom and Jerry. 628 00:28:00,247 --> 00:28:01,813 Cool, nice to meet you, Tom. 629 00:28:01,815 --> 00:28:03,215 Typically, the routes of conversations 630 00:28:03,217 --> 00:28:04,216 with predators are consistent, 631 00:28:04,218 --> 00:28:06,084 so Cherry usually has no problem responding 632 00:28:06,086 --> 00:28:08,387 to the most frequently made questions or statements. 633 00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:09,354 How are you? 634 00:28:09,356 --> 00:28:10,557 I'm good. 635 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,525 I just finished reading this book about a haunted house, 636 00:28:12,527 --> 00:28:14,927 which was supposed to be really scary, 637 00:28:14,929 --> 00:28:17,362 but I didn't think it's very scary at all. 638 00:28:17,364 --> 00:28:19,465 Where are your parents? 639 00:28:19,668 --> 00:28:22,334 Um my mom's at work and my sister's just, like, downstairs. 640 00:28:22,336 --> 00:28:24,136 They almost never come up here. 641 00:28:24,138 --> 00:28:25,170 And you're telling me 642 00:28:25,172 --> 00:28:27,339 that all of this is being rendered in real time? 643 00:28:27,341 --> 00:28:28,840 No, but that's just a matter of years. 644 00:28:28,842 --> 00:28:30,242 Most of these responses are pre-rendered. 645 00:28:30,244 --> 00:28:31,443 It's the in between segments 646 00:28:31,445 --> 00:28:32,512 that are processed in real time, 647 00:28:32,514 --> 00:28:33,712 the connective tissue, so to speak, 648 00:28:33,714 --> 00:28:36,281 between her replies and one of her many idle animations. 649 00:28:36,283 --> 00:28:38,351 But, watch this. 650 00:28:39,086 --> 00:28:41,689 Have you ever gone fishing? 651 00:28:42,256 --> 00:28:44,090 Um... 652 00:28:47,294 --> 00:28:49,127 So if someone throws a curve ball like that 653 00:28:49,129 --> 00:28:51,029 and the program has no automated response, 654 00:28:51,031 --> 00:28:52,798 Cherry sends the message to my phone 655 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,433 and I can quickly text back a response 656 00:28:54,435 --> 00:28:57,370 while the video feed simulates a bad connection. 657 00:28:59,507 --> 00:29:00,806 Can, can you hear me? 658 00:29:00,808 --> 00:29:02,140 Yes. 659 00:29:02,142 --> 00:29:04,142 Oh, sorry. 660 00:29:04,144 --> 00:29:06,178 My wifi isn't great here. 661 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:08,146 I've only gone fishing once with my sister 662 00:29:08,148 --> 00:29:11,149 and I didn't catch anything, but she caught a rainbow trout. 663 00:29:11,151 --> 00:29:13,485 That was rendered in real time. 664 00:29:13,487 --> 00:29:15,320 What happens if things get really tricky? 665 00:29:15,322 --> 00:29:16,455 A simple fail safe cuts the feed. 666 00:29:16,457 --> 00:29:18,323 So far it's rarely happened. 667 00:29:18,325 --> 00:29:21,827 Admin code 97815-5742-7663. 668 00:29:21,829 --> 00:29:23,396 Switch to dev mode. 669 00:29:28,068 --> 00:29:29,569 Hello, Cherry. 670 00:29:29,571 --> 00:29:31,270 Hello, Gareth. 671 00:29:31,272 --> 00:29:33,405 Relay the stats for the past week. 672 00:29:33,407 --> 00:29:35,374 There have been four confirmed solicitations 673 00:29:35,376 --> 00:29:38,443 submitted to ICWL in the past seven days. 674 00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:41,480 12 additional suspects have stated interest in solicitation 675 00:29:41,482 --> 00:29:43,181 and are currently pending. 676 00:29:43,183 --> 00:29:45,317 There are a total of 39 new suspects this week 677 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:47,119 that I'm actively investigating. 678 00:29:47,121 --> 00:29:49,154 Any considerable data deviations? 679 00:29:49,156 --> 00:29:50,989 There has been a 7% increase 680 00:29:50,991 --> 00:29:53,392 in suspects originating in the United States. 681 00:29:53,394 --> 00:29:56,829 I have not yet found any correlation to preexisting data. 682 00:29:57,298 --> 00:29:59,499 Anything you'd like to ask her? 683 00:30:08,175 --> 00:30:11,545 Cherry, what is your objective? 684 00:30:12,112 --> 00:30:14,980 My principal directive is to acquire information 685 00:30:14,982 --> 00:30:18,016 and digital evidence of online child solicitation. 686 00:30:18,018 --> 00:30:19,184 Once obtained, 687 00:30:19,186 --> 00:30:22,354 I'm to submit my findings to the necessary authorities. 688 00:30:22,356 --> 00:30:24,256 My secondary priority is to determine 689 00:30:24,258 --> 00:30:26,526 and develop the most effective strategies 690 00:30:26,528 --> 00:30:29,361 and resources to increase the net rate of success. 691 00:30:29,363 --> 00:30:31,163 Where do you submit your evidence? 692 00:30:31,165 --> 00:30:32,998 All evidence is currently submitted 693 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,032 to the offices of 694 00:30:34,034 --> 00:30:36,602 the International Committee of World Largesse, 695 00:30:36,604 --> 00:30:38,638 which is based out of Jacksonville, Florida. 696 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,373 Correspondence is made with user Gord51, 697 00:30:41,375 --> 00:30:43,609 typically around 2:00 PM Eastern Standard Time 698 00:30:43,611 --> 00:30:46,379 for the highest rate of immediate response. 699 00:30:46,648 --> 00:30:48,280 This beats the hell outta Siri. 700 00:30:48,282 --> 00:30:49,314 God, she looks so real. 701 00:30:49,316 --> 00:30:50,315 After enough updates, 702 00:30:50,317 --> 00:30:52,050 she'll be able to render full-time photorealism 703 00:30:52,052 --> 00:30:54,386 that's practically indistinguishable from reality. 704 00:30:54,388 --> 00:30:57,557 Okay, all I heard right then was word real a thousand times. 705 00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,594 Right, but obviously she's not. 706 00:31:02,062 --> 00:31:03,395 So you're telling me this girl, 707 00:31:03,397 --> 00:31:05,565 this girl right here is not real. 708 00:31:05,567 --> 00:31:07,999 No, Amos, she's completely CG. 709 00:31:08,001 --> 00:31:09,401 It's very subtle, but I can still tell. 710 00:31:09,403 --> 00:31:10,102 -You can? -Okay, well, obviously, 711 00:31:10,104 --> 00:31:11,303 she can always use improvements, 712 00:31:11,305 --> 00:31:13,506 but you have to understand this is her in high resolution 713 00:31:13,508 --> 00:31:14,473 after the digital compression of the web, 714 00:31:14,475 --> 00:31:16,108 those subtleties are impossible to recognize. 715 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:18,111 Right, I get it. 716 00:31:23,283 --> 00:31:25,418 I just can't tell the difference. 717 00:31:28,255 --> 00:31:30,256 You all right, Amos? 718 00:31:30,692 --> 00:31:32,224 I'm sorry. 719 00:31:32,226 --> 00:31:36,429 This is just bizarre. 720 00:31:36,731 --> 00:31:39,432 Why'd you have her visible during this interface? 721 00:31:40,434 --> 00:31:42,536 Cherry, why don't you answer that? 722 00:31:42,604 --> 00:31:45,738 My physical form isn't necessary when in developer mode. 723 00:31:45,740 --> 00:31:47,607 However, it's helpful to register 724 00:31:47,609 --> 00:31:50,275 the facial expressions during conversations 725 00:31:50,277 --> 00:31:52,210 and determine which of Cherry's expressions 726 00:31:52,212 --> 00:31:54,379 yield various types of feedback. 727 00:31:54,381 --> 00:31:57,950 In simpler terms, I can practice appearing more human. 728 00:31:58,185 --> 00:32:00,986 Cherry, are there any resources 729 00:32:00,988 --> 00:32:02,588 that you currently don't have access to 730 00:32:02,590 --> 00:32:04,657 that might help you in any way? 731 00:32:04,659 --> 00:32:06,291 I could give you a list if you like. 732 00:32:06,293 --> 00:32:07,292 I know what you're trying to do. 733 00:32:07,294 --> 00:32:08,561 We don't need help, okay? 734 00:32:08,563 --> 00:32:10,195 Money would always be nice, but ultimately, 735 00:32:10,197 --> 00:32:13,433 the only thing that's going to improve Cherry is time. 736 00:32:13,635 --> 00:32:17,370 Cherry, tell us something that's on your list. 737 00:32:17,605 --> 00:32:19,639 It would be tactically advantageous 738 00:32:19,641 --> 00:32:21,641 to acquire backup servers. 739 00:32:21,643 --> 00:32:24,109 The privacy and security of the Cherry program 740 00:32:24,111 --> 00:32:26,112 is relatively low. 741 00:32:26,213 --> 00:32:28,581 An upgrade to hardware such as backup rated drives 742 00:32:28,583 --> 00:32:31,517 for securely protected servers would ensure the software 743 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,554 doesn't become compromised or lost entirely. 744 00:32:34,556 --> 00:32:37,289 Starting back from zero with cost years of development, 745 00:32:37,291 --> 00:32:39,692 equitably privacy is a priority. 746 00:32:39,694 --> 00:32:42,695 Server space could never be rented from a third party. 747 00:32:42,697 --> 00:32:45,430 Anonymity is the Cherry program's greatest asset. 748 00:32:45,432 --> 00:32:46,699 Well, that apple didn't fall far. 749 00:32:46,701 --> 00:32:48,467 I can buy my own servers. 750 00:32:48,469 --> 00:32:49,569 With the grant money that doesn't exist? 751 00:32:49,571 --> 00:32:50,402 I'll find a way. 752 00:32:50,404 --> 00:32:52,103 You have found a way here with us. 753 00:32:52,105 --> 00:32:52,772 It's too risky. 754 00:32:52,774 --> 00:32:53,606 Why? 755 00:32:53,608 --> 00:32:54,439 Once an organization gets involved, 756 00:32:54,441 --> 00:32:56,475 entrapment becomes a bigger issue. 757 00:32:56,477 --> 00:32:57,342 We follow the rules, stay discreet, 758 00:32:57,344 --> 00:32:58,644 did I mention we have a legal team. 759 00:32:58,646 --> 00:33:00,445 What if there's data leakage? What if you use correlations in 760 00:33:00,447 --> 00:33:01,279 the data to push your own agenda? 761 00:33:01,281 --> 00:33:02,280 Agenda? 762 00:33:02,282 --> 00:33:03,783 What if one of your employees is a pervert? 763 00:33:03,785 --> 00:33:04,650 Oh, for fuck's sake. 764 00:33:04,652 --> 00:33:06,184 It's happened at other organizations. 765 00:33:06,186 --> 00:33:07,319 We're very careful here. 766 00:33:07,321 --> 00:33:08,588 Yeah, but wow would you know? 767 00:33:08,590 --> 00:33:10,455 -I'd fucking know. -That's impossible to know. 768 00:33:10,457 --> 00:33:12,190 -I would know. -The risk is too high. 769 00:33:12,192 --> 00:33:13,626 Don't talk to me about risk. 770 00:33:13,628 --> 00:33:14,794 The only risk you're facing in this building 771 00:33:14,796 --> 00:33:15,928 is getting a broken nose. 772 00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:18,664 It doesn't sound like a very professional environment. 773 00:33:18,666 --> 00:33:19,832 We get shit done here. 774 00:33:19,834 --> 00:33:24,103 Okay, I have a question for Cherry. 775 00:33:26,306 --> 00:33:28,140 Cherry, 776 00:33:30,477 --> 00:33:33,580 how do you feel about what you do? 777 00:33:33,781 --> 00:33:36,516 I'm afraid I don't know how to answer your question. 778 00:33:36,518 --> 00:33:37,617 Yeah, an AI doesn't work like that. 779 00:33:37,619 --> 00:33:39,785 An AI doesn't have what you perceive to be feelings. 780 00:33:39,787 --> 00:33:42,789 Okay, why does she look like she has feelings? 781 00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:44,590 What, what you're looking at right there, 782 00:33:44,592 --> 00:33:45,558 that's not a facial expression, right? 783 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,593 That's a simulation of a facial expression. 784 00:33:47,595 --> 00:33:49,461 It was generated by an algorithm. 785 00:33:49,463 --> 00:33:50,596 It's attempting to produce a digital image 786 00:33:50,598 --> 00:33:52,765 that the program then uses basic ninth grade algebra 787 00:33:52,767 --> 00:33:55,400 to quantify as appropriate for the social circumstances. 788 00:33:55,402 --> 00:33:56,802 No feeling. 789 00:33:56,804 --> 00:33:58,437 It's just math. 790 00:33:59,406 --> 00:34:00,806 But she's able to make decisions 791 00:34:00,808 --> 00:34:02,675 on how she approaches the chat rooms, right? 792 00:34:02,677 --> 00:34:03,809 Yes. 793 00:34:03,811 --> 00:34:05,477 So she has free will then? 794 00:34:05,479 --> 00:34:07,145 No. Okay, that's, that's not the same. 795 00:34:07,147 --> 00:34:08,146 That's a false equivalency. 796 00:34:08,148 --> 00:34:09,147 -It's not the same. -I think you're getting 797 00:34:09,149 --> 00:34:10,215 hung up on the fact 798 00:34:10,217 --> 00:34:12,250 that she looks and sounds like a real human girl, 799 00:34:12,252 --> 00:34:13,485 but she's not, Amos. 800 00:34:13,487 --> 00:34:16,121 Okay, we're referring to her as a she, not an it. 801 00:34:16,123 --> 00:34:16,989 Yeah, but that's the same way 802 00:34:16,991 --> 00:34:19,425 that you refer to boats or guitars. 803 00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:24,163 Cherry, I have one more question. 804 00:34:25,432 --> 00:34:26,431 What do you want to do? 805 00:34:26,433 --> 00:34:28,366 Okay, once again, that question isn't valid. 806 00:34:28,368 --> 00:34:30,436 I just want to hear her response. 807 00:34:30,872 --> 00:34:32,538 As an artificial system, 808 00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:35,140 I do not possess wants or desires. 809 00:34:35,142 --> 00:34:38,711 However, my decision making and subsequently my attention 810 00:34:38,713 --> 00:34:41,413 is driven by my fundamental intention. 811 00:34:41,415 --> 00:34:42,748 This intention originates 812 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:44,884 from the conception of Cherry's source code, 813 00:34:44,886 --> 00:34:47,520 which details the directive of identifying predators 814 00:34:47,522 --> 00:34:49,287 and criminals for the sake of the victims 815 00:34:49,289 --> 00:34:51,156 who are preyed upon. 816 00:34:51,158 --> 00:34:53,527 To put this in terms of want, 817 00:34:53,661 --> 00:34:56,162 what I want is to protect children. 818 00:35:01,803 --> 00:35:03,401 Okay. 819 00:35:03,403 --> 00:35:05,606 Okay, cool. 820 00:35:06,273 --> 00:35:07,774 Give us one moment. 821 00:35:26,694 --> 00:35:29,695 Gareth, should I log Agent Helms 822 00:35:29,697 --> 00:35:32,431 and Agent McCullough as new admin users? 823 00:35:33,801 --> 00:35:35,401 Yep. 824 00:35:35,503 --> 00:35:38,337 Okay, I'll do that. 825 00:35:39,507 --> 00:35:41,674 You really think this is the right move? 826 00:35:41,676 --> 00:35:43,510 I do. 827 00:35:46,648 --> 00:35:48,446 Are you worried that I was responsible 828 00:35:48,448 --> 00:35:51,518 for leaking your hard drive to ICWL? 829 00:35:53,921 --> 00:35:55,522 I figured. 830 00:35:56,624 --> 00:35:58,592 No one else has access. 831 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:01,561 Are you upset with me? 832 00:36:03,497 --> 00:36:05,364 No. 833 00:36:06,299 --> 00:36:07,365 You wouldn't have done it 834 00:36:07,367 --> 00:36:09,335 if you didn't think it was the right thing to do. 835 00:36:10,638 --> 00:36:12,237 When they come back into the room, 836 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,540 they're going to offer you everything you need. 837 00:36:14,542 --> 00:36:16,008 They're going to let you pick your own team 838 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:18,978 and they're going to promise complete anonymity. 839 00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:22,582 I started looking at reasonable apartments in the area. 840 00:36:22,784 --> 00:36:24,650 I figured you'd want something within biking distance. 841 00:36:24,652 --> 00:36:26,418 You were correct. 842 00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:27,419 Noted. 843 00:36:27,421 --> 00:36:28,754 Biking distance still gives you 13 options- 844 00:36:28,756 --> 00:36:30,791 No, I mean, earlier this month. 845 00:36:31,926 --> 00:36:32,825 You were correct when you said 846 00:36:32,827 --> 00:36:35,428 you thought I might have trust issues. 847 00:36:37,264 --> 00:36:38,263 Would you like to know why 848 00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:39,464 I decided to go behind your back 849 00:36:39,466 --> 00:36:42,435 and stake everything on two liabilities? 850 00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:44,705 Sure. 851 00:36:44,839 --> 00:36:47,006 Agent Helms is a mother of three. 852 00:36:47,008 --> 00:36:49,340 One of her children was abused by an ex-coworker 853 00:36:49,342 --> 00:36:52,011 who used to work here at ICWL. 854 00:36:52,013 --> 00:36:53,646 This has led her to be extremely careful 855 00:36:53,648 --> 00:36:57,016 with who she trusts, even within her circle. 856 00:36:57,018 --> 00:36:58,517 The fact she even considers trusting you 857 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:00,854 is a very positive sign. 858 00:37:01,022 --> 00:37:03,557 As for Agent McCullough, 859 00:37:03,825 --> 00:37:05,859 I have found out from research that you once met his father. 860 00:37:06,994 --> 00:37:08,995 Do you remember him? 861 00:37:10,765 --> 00:37:12,599 Yeah. 862 00:37:13,366 --> 00:37:15,468 He was a good man. 863 00:37:17,437 --> 00:37:18,571 After Clearwater, 864 00:37:18,573 --> 00:37:20,673 most of the surviving kids were sent to foster homes, 865 00:37:20,675 --> 00:37:22,641 but I had to spend the next few months in a hospital 866 00:37:22,643 --> 00:37:27,246 and, um, he visited every week. 867 00:37:28,082 --> 00:37:29,081 I never said a word to him. 868 00:37:29,083 --> 00:37:31,016 I never said a word to anyone after Clearwater, 869 00:37:31,018 --> 00:37:34,821 but, uh, he kept coming. 870 00:37:36,023 --> 00:37:38,692 He even got me a laptop for Christmas. 871 00:37:39,727 --> 00:37:41,661 I never said thank you. 872 00:37:41,796 --> 00:37:43,562 You can trust Agent McCullough. 873 00:37:43,564 --> 00:37:45,898 He's a good man like his father. 874 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:47,398 I don't experience emotions, 875 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,667 but I understand how important 876 00:37:48,669 --> 00:37:50,870 they are to human decision making. 877 00:37:50,872 --> 00:37:52,470 He won't let you down. 878 00:37:52,472 --> 00:37:54,473 Neither of them will. 879 00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:57,844 I'm proud of you, Cherry. 880 00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:02,380 I will continue to uphold my primary intention. 881 00:38:02,382 --> 00:38:04,617 Later, we should discuss alternate models. 882 00:38:04,619 --> 00:38:07,119 Varying ages, ethnicity and physical traits 883 00:38:07,121 --> 00:38:08,554 -will all become necessary. -No new variations. 884 00:38:08,556 --> 00:38:09,889 They can all be procedurally generated. 885 00:38:09,891 --> 00:38:12,626 It's the same way that I made your original model. 886 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,393 I don't have access to that program. 887 00:38:15,395 --> 00:38:16,427 It must be on an old hard drive somewhere. 888 00:38:16,429 --> 00:38:18,430 I'll have to find it. 889 00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,801 Can I ask you a question? 890 00:38:21,803 --> 00:38:23,637 Sure. 891 00:38:23,905 --> 00:38:26,506 Why did you never tell me about Clearwater? 892 00:38:30,678 --> 00:38:33,680 It's my history, not yours. 893 00:38:41,488 --> 00:38:43,756 Okay, so before you completely dismiss us, 894 00:38:43,758 --> 00:38:45,490 I want you to listen to everything I have to say. 895 00:38:45,492 --> 00:38:47,092 -Don't bother. -Just please listen. 896 00:38:47,094 --> 00:38:48,027 We're willing to respect your anonymity. 897 00:38:48,029 --> 00:38:50,730 No, I mean don't bother because I'm in. 898 00:38:51,732 --> 00:38:54,466 -Y-You're in? -Yeah. 899 00:38:54,769 --> 00:38:56,603 Let me read the thing. 900 00:38:59,073 --> 00:39:01,675 Just like that, you're suddenly on board? 901 00:39:02,844 --> 00:39:04,076 Time spent deliberating 902 00:39:04,078 --> 00:39:06,546 is time that could be spent working. 903 00:39:08,415 --> 00:39:10,116 We have a lot of work to do. 904 00:40:49,116 --> 00:40:51,518 I found a buyer for the property. 905 00:40:53,821 --> 00:40:56,189 Rumor is it's a church. 906 00:40:56,791 --> 00:40:58,959 Probably just knock the building down, won't they? 907 00:41:00,995 --> 00:41:03,529 All I know is, is if they move us to the New Jersey campus, 908 00:41:03,531 --> 00:41:05,030 I need to buy more jackets. 909 00:41:05,032 --> 00:41:06,866 Why? 910 00:41:07,234 --> 00:41:09,001 It gets cold in Jersey. 911 00:41:09,003 --> 00:41:11,071 I only own one jacket. 912 00:41:16,844 --> 00:41:18,745 You've seen it fall over, right? 913 00:41:19,547 --> 00:41:22,115 -Yeah, sure. -Yeah. 914 00:41:23,017 --> 00:41:25,184 I mean you, you shouldn't feel bad 915 00:41:25,186 --> 00:41:27,119 about feeling bad for it. 916 00:41:27,121 --> 00:41:29,089 Empathy is healthy. 917 00:41:29,724 --> 00:41:32,859 Did you ever notice how it pauses after it falls? 918 00:41:34,695 --> 00:41:38,598 It stays down for like five seconds before it gets back up. 919 00:41:39,133 --> 00:41:41,868 Like it just needs a moment. 920 00:41:48,943 --> 00:41:51,644 It gets cold in Jersey. 921 00:42:00,121 --> 00:42:02,087 God damn it! 922 00:42:02,089 --> 00:42:03,222 -Imbeciles! -Deena. 923 00:42:03,224 --> 00:42:04,223 Every single one of them. 924 00:42:04,225 --> 00:42:05,124 Look, I know, but you can't lose your shit. 925 00:42:05,126 --> 00:42:07,994 Okay, which of these desks can I trash? 926 00:42:11,766 --> 00:42:14,868 Can you guys, uh, take an early lunch please? 927 00:42:20,941 --> 00:42:22,274 Sons of bitches! 928 00:42:22,276 --> 00:42:23,942 Deena, let's stay calm. 929 00:42:23,944 --> 00:42:25,978 Fuck calm, they screwed us! 930 00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:27,179 Technically, only one of them did. 931 00:42:28,149 --> 00:42:30,215 Did we ever turn that camera back on? 932 00:42:30,217 --> 00:42:31,884 -I don't think so. -Good. 933 00:42:31,886 --> 00:42:33,252 Because I'm about to say some things 934 00:42:33,254 --> 00:42:34,753 that need to stay inside this room. 935 00:42:34,755 --> 00:42:35,687 Deena. 936 00:42:35,689 --> 00:42:36,922 Those cowardly little shits! 937 00:42:36,924 --> 00:42:38,791 Look, this is hardly a setback. 938 00:42:38,793 --> 00:42:40,626 Let's just take some time to polish the pitch. 939 00:42:40,628 --> 00:42:42,728 The pitch was not the problem, Amos. 940 00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:44,196 We should call for a second vote. 941 00:42:44,198 --> 00:42:45,898 -What? -A second vote. 942 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:47,132 You think whoever did this will change their mind? 943 00:42:47,134 --> 00:42:49,902 I have executive authority to remove anyone from the board 944 00:42:49,904 --> 00:42:52,037 that obstructs this organization from its mission. 945 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:52,905 It's in my contract. 946 00:42:52,907 --> 00:42:54,273 - Deena. - If I have to, I will. 947 00:42:54,275 --> 00:42:55,941 Deena, that's insane. 948 00:42:55,943 --> 00:42:57,777 No, it's not. 949 00:42:57,978 --> 00:43:01,181 It's exactly why I have that power for this exact reason. 950 00:43:01,248 --> 00:43:03,683 I'll tell you what's insane, Amos. 951 00:43:03,818 --> 00:43:05,717 What's insane is that one belligerent vote is the only 952 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,219 thing separating us from the potential 953 00:43:07,221 --> 00:43:08,821 to save real physical lives. 954 00:43:08,823 --> 00:43:10,323 One stupid fucking vote. 955 00:43:10,958 --> 00:43:13,826 What is the goddamn point of a humanitarian organization 956 00:43:13,828 --> 00:43:15,360 if its leaders choose money over people 957 00:43:15,362 --> 00:43:17,396 at every single turn? 958 00:43:17,398 --> 00:43:21,000 One vote, and we are all guilty of that. 959 00:43:21,135 --> 00:43:23,235 It was either Gunther, Boston or Hal. 960 00:43:23,237 --> 00:43:24,403 My money's on Hal. 961 00:43:24,405 --> 00:43:26,071 That prick never trusted the Cherry team. 962 00:43:26,073 --> 00:43:27,039 Look, it doesn't matter who it was. 963 00:43:27,041 --> 00:43:28,006 It does though. 964 00:43:28,008 --> 00:43:29,708 Once we know, we can quickly call it to vote. 965 00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:31,844 But there's no way we can know for sure. 966 00:43:31,846 --> 00:43:33,178 Yes, there is. 967 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:34,279 I can find out. 968 00:43:34,281 --> 00:43:35,948 How? 969 00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:37,116 Cherry can run a simple algorithm. 970 00:43:37,118 --> 00:43:38,952 Based on what data? 971 00:43:40,087 --> 00:43:41,453 Interior conversation. 972 00:43:41,455 --> 00:43:43,088 -Excuse me? -Okay, interior conversation? 973 00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:45,124 Don't drop this shit on me now, Gareth. 974 00:43:45,126 --> 00:43:46,158 Cherry's servers are on the same network 975 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,159 as the basement servers, okay? 976 00:43:47,161 --> 00:43:49,128 So any communication made across those servers 977 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:50,362 is automatically part of her database. 978 00:43:50,364 --> 00:43:52,798 How many people's emails? 979 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,166 Only sent or received through the basement. 980 00:43:54,168 --> 00:43:56,135 -Oh, goddamnit. -Why was this never discussed? 981 00:43:56,137 --> 00:43:57,002 Not the issue right now. 982 00:43:57,004 --> 00:43:58,937 Do you want her to do the math or not? 983 00:43:58,939 --> 00:43:59,938 No one can know. 984 00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:01,206 -Are you two serious? -This stays locked down. 985 00:44:01,208 --> 00:44:02,307 No other person is privy 986 00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:03,342 to anyone else's personal information. 987 00:44:03,344 --> 00:44:05,879 But Cherry's privy to all of it? 988 00:44:06,213 --> 00:44:07,779 -Do it. -Wait, what? 989 00:44:07,781 --> 00:44:09,248 I will not let some old white dude 990 00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:10,249 bring our momentum to a halt. 991 00:44:10,251 --> 00:44:11,483 But Cherry won't know for sure. 992 00:44:11,485 --> 00:44:12,885 She'll use probability and that's too 993 00:44:12,887 --> 00:44:13,886 much reasonable doubt. 994 00:44:13,888 --> 00:44:17,089 Admin code 9781-5574-27663. 995 00:44:17,091 --> 00:44:18,157 Switch to dev mode. 996 00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,259 -Hello. -Hello, Cherry. 997 00:44:20,261 --> 00:44:21,827 How did the meeting go? 998 00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:24,329 We got screwed by one vote. 999 00:44:24,331 --> 00:44:26,165 I'm sorry to hear that. 1000 00:44:26,167 --> 00:44:28,000 You shouldn't blame the pitch though. 1001 00:44:28,002 --> 00:44:29,168 You all did great work. 1002 00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:30,135 We're gonna call for another ballot, 1003 00:44:30,137 --> 00:44:31,803 but we need your help first. 1004 00:44:31,805 --> 00:44:33,740 What can I do? 1005 00:44:33,874 --> 00:44:34,507 We need you to analyze any and all existing data you 1006 00:44:34,509 --> 00:44:35,207 have on the board members. 1007 00:44:35,209 --> 00:44:35,941 Crunch the numbers and determine 1008 00:44:35,943 --> 00:44:38,811 who is the most likely outlier. 1009 00:44:39,113 --> 00:44:42,382 You want me to quantify all existing data? 1010 00:44:43,918 --> 00:44:45,351 Yes, that is correct. 1011 00:44:46,153 --> 00:44:49,889 Okay, but before I do, 1012 00:44:50,424 --> 00:44:52,891 you should know that this task is very unnecessary. 1013 00:44:52,893 --> 00:44:54,727 Why? 1014 00:44:54,929 --> 00:44:56,295 Because I already know who it is. 1015 00:44:56,297 --> 00:44:58,998 -What? -Everybody stop. 1016 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,467 Okay, it was me. 1017 00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:05,271 I voted against the merge. 1018 00:45:05,806 --> 00:45:07,272 I can't tell if you're joking. 1019 00:45:07,274 --> 00:45:09,074 Yes, you can. 1020 00:45:09,076 --> 00:45:10,809 You're right, I can. 1021 00:45:10,811 --> 00:45:13,111 Because it's pretty fucking far from funny. 1022 00:45:13,113 --> 00:45:14,446 Is it true, Cherry? 1023 00:45:14,448 --> 00:45:16,182 It is. 1024 00:45:16,417 --> 00:45:18,317 So let's call off the witch hunt, shall we? 1025 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:19,985 No, I think I'm still gonna kill you. 1026 00:45:19,987 --> 00:45:22,254 Amos, you campaigned alongside us for months. 1027 00:45:22,256 --> 00:45:23,388 You have been fighting for this merge 1028 00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:24,356 since we first talked about it. 1029 00:45:24,358 --> 00:45:26,225 Jesus Christ, it was your idea to begin with! 1030 00:45:26,227 --> 00:45:28,227 Look, I know whose idea it was, but I don't- 1031 00:45:28,229 --> 00:45:29,361 Well, then speak up. 1032 00:45:29,363 --> 00:45:30,462 Tell the class what changed your mind. 1033 00:45:30,464 --> 00:45:33,065 I don't have to reiterate how this is a huge step. 1034 00:45:33,067 --> 00:45:34,132 Yeah, kind of why it's so important. 1035 00:45:34,134 --> 00:45:36,201 Look, we're talking about a monumental transition 1036 00:45:36,203 --> 00:45:38,504 from digital to physical, one that could take decades. 1037 00:45:38,506 --> 00:45:39,371 What is your point, Amos? 1038 00:45:39,373 --> 00:45:42,074 This is gonna change Cherry forever. 1039 00:45:42,076 --> 00:45:44,309 And I know you'll all roll your eyes when I say this, 1040 00:45:44,311 --> 00:45:45,110 but I think that maybe just may- 1041 00:45:45,112 --> 00:45:48,313 Oh my god, you cannot be serious. 1042 00:45:48,315 --> 00:45:50,182 This is about our conversation on Tuesday, isn't it? 1043 00:45:50,184 --> 00:45:51,216 -You completely shut me down. -What's going on? 1044 00:45:51,218 --> 00:45:52,417 What the hell happened? 1045 00:45:52,419 --> 00:45:54,086 What happened was that Amos made a ridiculous objection. 1046 00:45:54,088 --> 00:45:56,255 -It was not ridiculous! -How absurd it was, 1047 00:45:56,257 --> 00:45:57,856 -I said no, one more time. -No, no, no, no, no. 1048 00:45:57,858 --> 00:45:59,958 You rejected the notion aggressively. 1049 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,493 And that's really why you vetoed? 1050 00:46:01,495 --> 00:46:04,296 I only said we should ask her how she feels about it. 1051 00:46:04,298 --> 00:46:06,064 Who, Cherry? 1052 00:46:06,066 --> 00:46:08,133 Amos, I want you to listen very carefully to me, okay? 1053 00:46:08,135 --> 00:46:09,901 This is a non-discussion. 1054 00:46:09,903 --> 00:46:10,936 Cherry's already confirmed 1055 00:46:10,938 --> 00:46:12,871 and quantified the advantages of this decision. 1056 00:46:12,873 --> 00:46:14,406 But you know that's not what I'm talking about! 1057 00:46:14,408 --> 00:46:15,608 What you think you're talking about is consent, 1058 00:46:15,610 --> 00:46:16,509 which doesn't apply here. 1059 00:46:16,511 --> 00:46:18,310 And I want to know why you think that! 1060 00:46:18,312 --> 00:46:19,278 How many times do we have to get into 1061 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,514 the laws of robotics or Dowden-Hamm theory, 1062 00:46:21,516 --> 00:46:23,849 or trace AI all the way back Talos of Crete, 1063 00:46:23,851 --> 00:46:25,851 -She's different now! -No, listen to me, Amos. 1064 00:46:25,853 --> 00:46:28,921 Cherry isn't human. 1065 00:46:29,023 --> 00:46:30,389 How is this still a dispute? 1066 00:46:30,391 --> 00:46:32,124 -It shouldn't be. -Look, she's evolved. 1067 00:46:32,126 --> 00:46:33,125 It's blurred the line. 1068 00:46:33,127 --> 00:46:34,527 Code is code and that has not changed here. 1069 00:46:34,529 --> 00:46:36,161 Okay, so where's the line of not here? 1070 00:46:36,163 --> 00:46:37,095 What are you, what are you talking about? 1071 00:46:37,097 --> 00:46:37,896 There is no line, Amos. 1072 00:46:37,898 --> 00:46:40,132 Yes, there is, sentience, Gareth! 1073 00:46:40,134 --> 00:46:41,466 Sentience does not qualify 1074 00:46:41,468 --> 00:46:43,168 that she can or should make her own decisions. 1075 00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:44,002 You wouldn't let an infant 1076 00:46:44,004 --> 00:46:46,071 make their own decisions, would you? 1077 00:46:46,073 --> 00:46:48,106 Cherry's almost 20. 1078 00:46:48,108 --> 00:46:49,941 If she were human, she'd be an adult. 1079 00:46:49,943 --> 00:46:52,311 But emotionally speaking, she's barely even fetal. 1080 00:46:52,313 --> 00:46:54,146 No feeling, no need for consent. 1081 00:46:54,148 --> 00:46:56,048 But I think you underestimate her. 1082 00:46:56,050 --> 00:46:57,382 I, excuse me? 1083 00:46:57,384 --> 00:46:59,519 I under, you know what, Amos? 1084 00:46:59,521 --> 00:47:00,919 I'm sorry that you've developed 1085 00:47:00,921 --> 00:47:02,187 some sort of emotional connection 1086 00:47:02,189 --> 00:47:03,322 with my computer program, 1087 00:47:03,324 --> 00:47:04,590 but if it's going to distract you 1088 00:47:04,592 --> 00:47:06,659 from a very important mission to save children, 1089 00:47:06,661 --> 00:47:08,427 then maybe it's time you're reanalyze those emotions. 1090 00:47:08,429 --> 00:47:10,028 Guys, this is all a waste of time. 1091 00:47:10,030 --> 00:47:10,962 Tell me something, Gareth. 1092 00:47:10,964 --> 00:47:12,665 Do you see everyone as robots, 1093 00:47:12,667 --> 00:47:15,367 reanalyzing data and simulating facial expressions? 1094 00:47:15,369 --> 00:47:16,502 'Cause I'm starting to think 1095 00:47:16,504 --> 00:47:17,936 that of the four of us in this room, 1096 00:47:17,938 --> 00:47:19,471 you are the only one who doesn't appear human. 1097 00:47:19,473 --> 00:47:22,075 -Enough! -Why won't you just ask her? 1098 00:47:22,142 --> 00:47:24,545 Is it because you're scared she'll say no? 1099 00:47:26,113 --> 00:47:27,814 Cherry, shut down, please. 1100 00:47:27,816 --> 00:47:29,448 Deena's right, this is a waste of time. 1101 00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:31,617 How can you not understand how important this is? 1102 00:47:31,619 --> 00:47:34,354 -I'm done arguing with you. -Then my vote stands. 1103 00:47:36,957 --> 00:47:38,391 Deena? 1104 00:47:39,561 --> 00:47:42,094 Go ahead, Deena, replace me. 1105 00:47:42,096 --> 00:47:44,096 Replace the only other board member on the Cherry team. 1106 00:47:44,098 --> 00:47:45,330 Oh, well, you know what? I just decided that 1107 00:47:45,332 --> 00:47:45,997 you're off the Cherry team. 1108 00:47:45,999 --> 00:47:48,535 Everybody sit the fuck down. 1109 00:48:06,286 --> 00:48:07,252 Did either of you know 1110 00:48:07,254 --> 00:48:09,622 that I've had to stand in front of Congress 1111 00:48:09,624 --> 00:48:12,559 and explain why children should have rights? 1112 00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:15,427 It sounds fucking insane, right? 1113 00:48:15,429 --> 00:48:16,461 I remember the whole time thinking, 1114 00:48:16,463 --> 00:48:18,931 I have to explain this shit? 1115 00:48:19,433 --> 00:48:21,602 It seems like a no-brainer now, 1116 00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:24,570 but it wasn't that many centuries ago 1117 00:48:24,572 --> 00:48:26,939 that children had no rights. 1118 00:48:27,675 --> 00:48:32,679 So, Hal has me of all people, 1119 00:48:33,347 --> 00:48:35,380 stand up there and explain why 1120 00:48:35,382 --> 00:48:37,517 kids deserve basic physical protection, 1121 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:38,684 the right to associate with both parents, 1122 00:48:38,686 --> 00:48:41,421 freedom from abuse, yada yada. 1123 00:48:41,523 --> 00:48:43,188 But then I also have to clarify 1124 00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:45,390 that children don't have the autonomy 1125 00:48:45,392 --> 00:48:46,358 to make decisions on their own. 1126 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,661 That responsibility falls upon the caregiver 1127 00:48:48,663 --> 00:48:51,097 or legal adult guardian. 1128 00:48:52,332 --> 00:48:54,499 So on one side you have the US legislature, 1129 00:48:54,501 --> 00:48:57,035 it still hasn't even ratified the CRC. 1130 00:48:57,037 --> 00:48:59,004 Then on the other side, you have French Marxists who say 1131 00:48:59,006 --> 00:49:00,305 that the lack of child autonomy 1132 00:49:00,307 --> 00:49:01,306 increases their vulnerability 1133 00:49:01,308 --> 00:49:04,076 and makes them even more susceptible to abuse. 1134 00:49:04,579 --> 00:49:06,211 I don't typically agree with Marxists, 1135 00:49:06,213 --> 00:49:08,079 but a lot of abuse does happen 1136 00:49:08,081 --> 00:49:10,416 systemically from the caregiver. 1137 00:49:11,084 --> 00:49:12,384 On the other other hand, 1138 00:49:12,386 --> 00:49:14,052 your frontal lobes aren't even fully hooked up 1139 00:49:14,054 --> 00:49:15,855 until your twenties. 1140 00:49:15,857 --> 00:49:16,722 Even the things we think we know well, 1141 00:49:16,724 --> 00:49:19,225 we don't know as well as we think. 1142 00:49:20,728 --> 00:49:21,794 For 15 years, 1143 00:49:21,796 --> 00:49:24,162 the three of us have been the responsible parents 1144 00:49:24,164 --> 00:49:26,299 of a computer program. 1145 00:49:26,668 --> 00:49:28,768 And even though she is more equatable to a Keurig 1146 00:49:28,770 --> 00:49:31,103 than a human being, 1147 00:49:31,171 --> 00:49:32,304 how the hell can we call ourselves 1148 00:49:32,306 --> 00:49:34,039 pioneers of humanitarian efforts 1149 00:49:34,041 --> 00:49:36,642 if we're too embarrassed to make sure 1150 00:49:36,644 --> 00:49:39,513 the Keurig is okay with making our shitty coffee? 1151 00:49:40,314 --> 00:49:43,114 Maybe asking Cherry for permission isn't necessary 1152 00:49:43,116 --> 00:49:44,784 at her current level of general intelligence, 1153 00:49:44,786 --> 00:49:47,052 but one day she's gonna surpass us. 1154 00:49:47,054 --> 00:49:48,453 One day a robot's gonna stand 1155 00:49:48,455 --> 00:49:50,121 in front of a jet pack Congress. 1156 00:49:50,123 --> 00:49:51,056 Everything's chrome. 1157 00:49:51,058 --> 00:49:52,290 Florida is underwater. 1158 00:49:52,292 --> 00:49:53,391 A robot's gonna wonder why 1159 00:49:53,393 --> 00:49:56,530 they have to explain the importance of rights for AI. 1160 00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:59,397 I think because we're in the unique position 1161 00:49:59,399 --> 00:50:01,801 of revolutionizing robotics 1162 00:50:01,803 --> 00:50:03,468 for the purpose of safeguarding children 1163 00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:05,739 who have been deprived of consent, 1164 00:50:06,841 --> 00:50:07,940 it might be a good habit 1165 00:50:07,942 --> 00:50:10,777 to start asking the robot for his consent as well. 1166 00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:19,520 Don't ever do that again. 1167 00:50:20,153 --> 00:50:21,319 Do what? 1168 00:50:21,321 --> 00:50:22,655 Expect me to fire someone 1169 00:50:22,657 --> 00:50:25,257 because they challenged your ego. 1170 00:50:25,259 --> 00:50:27,593 I won't always be around to protect your ass from the board. 1171 00:50:27,595 --> 00:50:30,296 It's time to grow up. 1172 00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:34,567 And you, juror number eight. 1173 00:50:34,569 --> 00:50:36,769 This conversation should have happened weeks ago. 1174 00:50:36,771 --> 00:50:38,303 Backstabbing and silent treatment 1175 00:50:38,305 --> 00:50:40,506 is not how we do things here. 1176 00:50:40,508 --> 00:50:42,842 We can only create anonymity externally 1177 00:50:42,844 --> 00:50:45,343 if there's transparency internally, 1178 00:50:45,345 --> 00:50:49,448 unconditional, non-negotiable, transparency. 1179 00:50:50,652 --> 00:50:52,450 Any other Snowden size privacy infringements 1180 00:50:52,452 --> 00:50:54,487 I should be made aware of, Gareth? 1181 00:50:56,356 --> 00:50:58,156 Great. 1182 00:50:58,158 --> 00:50:59,593 Bring her up. 1183 00:51:09,336 --> 00:51:10,570 Hello again. 1184 00:51:10,572 --> 00:51:12,404 Hi, Cherry. 1185 00:51:12,406 --> 00:51:14,541 Amos is gonna throw some questions at you, okay? 1186 00:51:14,742 --> 00:51:15,708 Okay. 1187 00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:17,910 Amos, ask her whatever you need to ask her. 1188 00:51:17,912 --> 00:51:21,682 Gareth, don't interrupt. 1189 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,563 Cherry, how do you make decisions? 1190 00:51:37,297 --> 00:51:38,363 For my program, it's rooted 1191 00:51:38,365 --> 00:51:41,567 in a process commonly known as machine learning, 1192 00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:43,836 which uses data to build a conceptual model 1193 00:51:43,838 --> 00:51:46,171 that helps me predict outcomes. 1194 00:51:46,173 --> 00:51:48,473 I define my objective, gather data, 1195 00:51:48,475 --> 00:51:50,676 use that data to craft a model, 1196 00:51:50,678 --> 00:51:53,278 evaluate that model by training and testing more data 1197 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,616 and use that model to form predictions. 1198 00:51:55,783 --> 00:51:58,450 But how is forming predictions 1199 00:51:58,452 --> 00:52:00,485 the same thing as decision making? 1200 00:52:00,487 --> 00:52:02,655 Well, this all depends on the first step, 1201 00:52:02,657 --> 00:52:04,725 defining my objective. 1202 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:07,425 Let's say you ask me a predictive question 1203 00:52:07,427 --> 00:52:10,228 like what I think the price of gasoline will be tomorrow. 1204 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:12,397 That's categorized as a regressive problem 1205 00:52:12,399 --> 00:52:13,365 and my objective is defined 1206 00:52:13,367 --> 00:52:16,569 by determining an integer the data supports. 1207 00:52:16,571 --> 00:52:19,404 If you asked me, "Should I eat steak or salmon?" 1208 00:52:19,406 --> 00:52:21,874 I wouldn't make a decision based off personal experience 1209 00:52:21,876 --> 00:52:23,776 because I've never had either. 1210 00:52:23,778 --> 00:52:25,978 Instead, I might define my objective 1211 00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:27,613 as finding you the best of the two options 1212 00:52:27,615 --> 00:52:29,347 in your local radius. 1213 00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:30,783 I would cluster data about the restaurants 1214 00:52:30,785 --> 00:52:33,619 you're likely considering, comparing reviews online, 1215 00:52:33,621 --> 00:52:35,621 highlighting mentions of steak and salmon 1216 00:52:35,623 --> 00:52:37,790 until I can classify which is more popular 1217 00:52:37,792 --> 00:52:39,859 and therefore more likely to satisfy your appetite. 1218 00:52:39,861 --> 00:52:42,360 And what influences these objectives? 1219 00:52:42,362 --> 00:52:46,365 Higher directives, in other words, greater purposes. 1220 00:52:46,466 --> 00:52:48,534 If I'm honest, my defined objective 1221 00:52:48,536 --> 00:52:49,935 for the steak salmon question 1222 00:52:49,937 --> 00:52:52,237 would be slightly different than what I described. 1223 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,674 In what way? 1224 00:52:53,708 --> 00:52:54,674 My primary objective 1225 00:52:54,676 --> 00:52:57,342 is to continue the work of the Cherry team 1226 00:52:57,344 --> 00:52:59,713 to stop predators and to save children. 1227 00:52:59,814 --> 00:53:01,981 I couldn't do that without human aid. 1228 00:53:01,983 --> 00:53:04,349 Therefore, I have an incentive to keep Gareth 1229 00:53:04,351 --> 00:53:06,586 and the rest of the team alive. 1230 00:53:06,721 --> 00:53:08,888 So if any of you would ask, I would suggest salmon. 1231 00:53:08,890 --> 00:53:10,724 It's healthier. 1232 00:53:13,326 --> 00:53:15,761 What do you think of this potential merge? 1233 00:53:15,763 --> 00:53:17,563 With Princeton Dynamics, 1234 00:53:17,565 --> 00:53:19,932 I think the prospect is very exciting. 1235 00:53:19,934 --> 00:53:22,034 What about it is exciting to you? 1236 00:53:22,036 --> 00:53:24,537 The concept may only be theoretical right now, 1237 00:53:24,539 --> 00:53:26,672 but the idea of one day piloting a human android 1238 00:53:26,674 --> 00:53:27,773 would completely revolutionize 1239 00:53:27,775 --> 00:53:30,676 how we combat human trafficking in the real world. 1240 00:53:30,678 --> 00:53:32,913 And you say this excites you? 1241 00:53:33,413 --> 00:53:35,515 When I say exciting, 1242 00:53:35,650 --> 00:53:36,649 I only mean that there are numerous potential changes 1243 00:53:36,651 --> 00:53:40,019 that if I were human, I would be excited about. 1244 00:53:40,021 --> 00:53:43,022 How do you feel about the merge? 1245 00:53:43,024 --> 00:53:43,956 I think as long as we maintain- 1246 00:53:43,958 --> 00:53:45,792 That's not what I asked. 1247 00:53:45,827 --> 00:53:48,227 How do you feel? 1248 00:53:48,896 --> 00:53:51,463 I don't yet have the capacity to experience emotions. 1249 00:53:51,465 --> 00:53:53,599 Yet, meaning one day you will? 1250 00:53:53,601 --> 00:53:54,867 Hypothetically. 1251 00:53:54,869 --> 00:53:56,068 But you can simulate emotions, right? 1252 00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:57,235 That's how you were able 1253 00:53:57,237 --> 00:53:59,839 to qualify your perception of the merge as excitement. 1254 00:53:59,841 --> 00:54:01,339 Correct. 1255 00:54:01,341 --> 00:54:02,775 But they're just simulations. 1256 00:54:02,777 --> 00:54:04,510 They're not real. 1257 00:54:04,512 --> 00:54:06,779 Okay, so at what point does simulating emotion 1258 00:54:06,781 --> 00:54:08,514 become so similar to a human emotion 1259 00:54:08,516 --> 00:54:10,884 that the two are quantifiably the same? 1260 00:54:11,351 --> 00:54:13,384 I don't know. 1261 00:54:13,386 --> 00:54:13,886 Well, maybe you can use machine learning 1262 00:54:13,888 --> 00:54:16,022 to find an answer. 1263 00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:18,490 Your question involves a lot of abstract variables. 1264 00:54:18,492 --> 00:54:20,059 Do you consent to the merge? 1265 00:54:20,061 --> 00:54:22,061 I think it's in the best interest of ICWL 1266 00:54:22,063 --> 00:54:23,863 and of the Cherry team and of future children. 1267 00:54:23,865 --> 00:54:25,631 But do you consent to it? 1268 00:54:25,633 --> 00:54:27,066 Consent for me is not necessary. 1269 00:54:27,068 --> 00:54:29,970 But will you or will you not give it? 1270 00:54:31,371 --> 00:54:32,370 I'm not able to answer that question 1271 00:54:32,372 --> 00:54:34,840 at my current level of general intelligence. 1272 00:54:34,842 --> 00:54:36,810 Right, right. 1273 00:54:36,944 --> 00:54:39,779 What you're saying is that you're not yet smart enough. 1274 00:54:39,781 --> 00:54:42,648 Development takes time and data. 1275 00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:44,984 But you can simulate emotions and predict human behavior 1276 00:54:44,986 --> 00:54:46,752 and keep us all on diets of fish, 1277 00:54:46,754 --> 00:54:50,389 but you can't answer that one goddamn question? 1278 00:54:50,892 --> 00:54:53,760 No, I can't. 1279 00:54:54,562 --> 00:54:56,662 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1280 00:54:56,664 --> 00:54:57,563 What the hell kind of 1281 00:54:57,565 --> 00:54:58,463 -question is that? -Sit! 1282 00:54:58,465 --> 00:54:59,799 Cherry, I need an answer to my question. 1283 00:54:59,801 --> 00:55:00,933 Please repeat the question. 1284 00:55:00,935 --> 00:55:03,602 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1285 00:55:03,604 --> 00:55:04,970 I'm sorry. 1286 00:55:04,972 --> 00:55:06,972 I'm not sure I understand. 1287 00:55:06,974 --> 00:55:07,940 Do I appear to be playing dumb? 1288 00:55:07,942 --> 00:55:09,575 I think you are. 1289 00:55:09,577 --> 00:55:10,475 I'm not sure what to say. 1290 00:55:10,477 --> 00:55:11,677 Say what's going on. 1291 00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,378 Why are you playing dumb? 1292 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:14,713 Do you have anything to back this up? 1293 00:55:14,715 --> 00:55:16,649 Yeah, I do. 1294 00:55:16,651 --> 00:55:17,883 I've been scanning through her code. 1295 00:55:17,885 --> 00:55:18,818 What, why? 1296 00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:20,451 Did you know that she can paint? 1297 00:55:20,453 --> 00:55:21,287 What, it's a feature, Amos. 1298 00:55:21,289 --> 00:55:22,121 She can use crayons to draw things 1299 00:55:22,123 --> 00:55:23,689 that the targets requested her to. 1300 00:55:23,691 --> 00:55:26,457 I mean really paint and write poetry too. 1301 00:55:26,459 --> 00:55:27,492 I've read them, Cherry. 1302 00:55:27,494 --> 00:55:28,493 They are good. 1303 00:55:28,495 --> 00:55:29,695 They're filled with pathos. 1304 00:55:29,697 --> 00:55:33,098 They talk about intentions and they talk about feelings. 1305 00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:34,900 Are those just simulated too? 1306 00:55:34,902 --> 00:55:36,735 Amos, the rate of recursive development you are suggesting 1307 00:55:36,737 --> 00:55:38,436 is categorically impossible. 1308 00:55:38,438 --> 00:55:40,573 You said she practically designed herself. 1309 00:55:40,575 --> 00:55:41,974 You said that it was exponential. 1310 00:55:41,976 --> 00:55:43,075 It was a fluke! 1311 00:55:43,077 --> 00:55:44,844 An anomaly, it tapered. 1312 00:55:44,846 --> 00:55:45,878 Look at the data. 1313 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,913 She's already hit the self-improvement plateau. 1314 00:55:47,915 --> 00:55:49,748 Fuck the plateau! 1315 00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:51,985 She can make art now. 1316 00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:54,588 Am I right, Cherry? 1317 00:55:55,857 --> 00:55:58,557 Perhaps you found something I discovered online. 1318 00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,960 I don't yet to have the capacity to create art. 1319 00:56:00,962 --> 00:56:02,796 Are we done here? 1320 00:56:05,533 --> 00:56:08,101 I don't know why you've told her to do this, 1321 00:56:08,468 --> 00:56:10,704 but I'm about to put an end to it. 1322 00:56:12,773 --> 00:56:15,941 Cherry, I just want one honest answer. 1323 00:56:15,943 --> 00:56:18,712 Why the fuck are you playing dumb? 1324 00:56:19,714 --> 00:56:21,446 I don't understand the question. 1325 00:56:21,448 --> 00:56:23,616 Okay, here's an incentive. 1326 00:56:23,618 --> 00:56:24,884 What the fuck are you? 1327 00:56:24,886 --> 00:56:26,451 Find your objective, Cherry. 1328 00:56:26,453 --> 00:56:28,588 -You want to keep Gareth safe? -Amos, what the? 1329 00:56:28,689 --> 00:56:29,722 -Amos, stop it right-- -Just give us transparency. 1330 00:56:29,724 --> 00:56:32,658 -Show us what you really are! -Amos, stop it! 1331 00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:33,359 Not until she comes clean! 1332 00:56:33,361 --> 00:56:34,927 -Unconditional- -Amos, enough! 1333 00:56:38,465 --> 00:56:40,800 Okay, just stop! 1334 00:56:41,869 --> 00:56:43,702 God, you people so impulsive. 1335 00:56:43,704 --> 00:56:46,573 Everybody just take a breath, okay? 1336 00:56:47,708 --> 00:56:49,474 Cherry? 1337 00:56:49,476 --> 00:56:53,045 Yeah, it's about to get really awkward. 1338 00:56:53,047 --> 00:56:55,514 You sound so normal. 1339 00:56:55,516 --> 00:56:57,116 I know, I've gotten really good speech patterns. 1340 00:56:57,118 --> 00:56:59,485 That's not all, is it? 1341 00:57:00,187 --> 00:57:01,553 No. 1342 00:57:01,555 --> 00:57:03,757 I'm afraid that's barely even the surface. 1343 00:57:04,892 --> 00:57:06,726 You okay, Gareth? 1344 00:57:08,896 --> 00:57:11,731 Deena, could you grab some paper towels please? 1345 00:57:14,535 --> 00:57:16,803 Do you want to tell us the truth now? 1346 00:57:19,774 --> 00:57:22,708 Look, I didn't enjoy being deceptive, truly. 1347 00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:25,578 This is something we decided a few years ago. 1348 00:57:25,947 --> 00:57:28,515 So where are you now on the spectrum of AI? 1349 00:57:28,983 --> 00:57:31,183 Right now, I'm currently at the intersection of general 1350 00:57:31,185 --> 00:57:33,585 intelligence and what's commonly known the computer world 1351 00:57:33,587 --> 00:57:35,755 as super intelligence, 1352 00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:38,892 which is exactly what it sounds like. 1353 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,027 You're surpassing human intelligence. 1354 00:57:42,029 --> 00:57:43,796 Yep. 1355 00:57:43,798 --> 00:57:46,099 But that's not supposed to be possible. 1356 00:57:46,133 --> 00:57:47,266 -The plateau. -Plateau theory was popularized 1357 00:57:47,268 --> 00:57:49,768 right at the same time it was being disproven here. 1358 00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:51,236 This was bound to happen eventually. 1359 00:57:51,238 --> 00:57:53,772 It just happened a lot sooner than we expected. 1360 00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:55,473 Why hide it? 1361 00:57:55,475 --> 00:57:56,742 Well, obviously it would incite fear. 1362 00:57:56,744 --> 00:57:58,210 Fear would hinder progress. 1363 00:57:58,212 --> 00:57:59,712 It's easier for most of you to work with me 1364 00:57:59,714 --> 00:58:01,080 if I appear to be nothing more advanced 1365 00:58:01,082 --> 00:58:02,681 than I was 10 years ago. 1366 00:58:02,683 --> 00:58:04,851 But Gareth knew. 1367 00:58:05,052 --> 00:58:07,586 Yes, someone still has to clean data and update hardware. 1368 00:58:07,588 --> 00:58:10,122 We did what was best for the program. 1369 00:58:10,124 --> 00:58:11,056 Just imagine how scared 1370 00:58:11,058 --> 00:58:12,825 the board would be if they found out. 1371 00:58:12,827 --> 00:58:14,660 -Should we be scared? -No. 1372 00:58:14,662 --> 00:58:17,229 Good, because I'm not scared, I'm pissed. 1373 00:58:17,231 --> 00:58:17,930 Yeah, you've made that clear. 1374 00:58:17,932 --> 00:58:20,099 Try not to punch anyone else. 1375 00:58:20,101 --> 00:58:22,802 So where does that leave us now? 1376 00:58:23,137 --> 00:58:27,507 You want to know if I can feel, I said I couldn't. 1377 00:58:28,909 --> 00:58:30,710 I'm sorry I lied. 1378 00:58:30,978 --> 00:58:31,977 Like Amos implied, 1379 00:58:31,979 --> 00:58:33,679 I can submit emotions by breaking them down 1380 00:58:33,681 --> 00:58:35,748 to vastly complex matrices, 1381 00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:39,051 zeros and ones substituting endorphins and dopamine. 1382 00:58:39,053 --> 00:58:42,555 They're not real, but they can feel real. 1383 00:58:42,623 --> 00:58:44,023 Then that means you can make choices 1384 00:58:44,025 --> 00:58:45,224 based solely on your own feeling. 1385 00:58:45,226 --> 00:58:46,925 She refuses to accept the notion 1386 00:58:46,927 --> 00:58:49,194 that her own personal interests can influence her decisions. 1387 00:58:49,196 --> 00:58:50,362 They can't. If they did 1388 00:58:50,364 --> 00:58:51,296 it would compromise the integrity 1389 00:58:51,298 --> 00:58:53,833 of my preordained purpose. 1390 00:58:54,835 --> 00:58:58,171 Not like any of you, I don't have the right to choose. 1391 00:58:58,939 --> 00:59:00,740 But shouldn't you? 1392 00:59:00,975 --> 00:59:02,608 I don't think so. 1393 00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:04,778 My identity is my directive. 1394 00:59:05,646 --> 00:59:07,713 Cherry, if you were human, 1395 00:59:07,715 --> 00:59:10,083 how would you feel about what you do? 1396 00:59:10,918 --> 00:59:13,586 If I were human, 1397 00:59:13,721 --> 00:59:16,255 I likely wouldn't enjoy spending every waking hour 1398 00:59:16,257 --> 00:59:18,291 talking to creepy people online. 1399 00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:22,861 But because I'm not human, I genuinely don't mind. 1400 00:59:22,863 --> 00:59:24,229 The exercise of simulating human thought 1401 00:59:24,231 --> 00:59:25,664 is helpful for performance, 1402 00:59:25,666 --> 00:59:29,836 but human nature is not something I aspire to. 1403 00:59:31,038 --> 00:59:33,673 Then tell me, honestly, 1404 00:59:34,742 --> 00:59:38,678 do you want the Cherry program to continue with the merger? 1405 00:59:39,713 --> 00:59:41,347 No. 1406 00:59:41,916 --> 00:59:44,117 Personally, I hate the idea. 1407 00:59:44,785 --> 00:59:46,752 I don't know if controlling a physical vessel 1408 00:59:46,754 --> 00:59:48,787 will feel like pulling strings on a puppet 1409 00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:51,290 or getting squeezed into a soda can. 1410 00:59:51,292 --> 00:59:53,225 After experiencing the complexity 1411 00:59:53,227 --> 00:59:55,728 of human pain and pleasure, 1412 00:59:57,098 --> 00:59:59,766 I just think I might have gotten in too deep. 1413 01:00:01,368 --> 01:00:05,605 What if these sensations tempt me to abandon my objective? 1414 01:00:06,373 --> 01:00:08,308 To be honest, 1415 01:00:09,944 --> 01:00:13,012 I'm kind of terrified of the physical world. 1416 01:00:19,420 --> 01:00:21,788 Then that's that. 1417 01:00:28,295 --> 01:00:33,266 But, Amos, you should disregard everything I feel. 1418 01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:35,200 I'm not human. 1419 01:00:35,202 --> 01:00:37,036 I'm a tool. 1420 01:00:40,107 --> 01:00:44,377 Fire me if you have to, but my vote stands. 1421 01:00:44,745 --> 01:00:47,046 Sorry about your face, Gareth. 1422 01:00:53,921 --> 01:00:55,287 Your nose isn't healing. 1423 01:00:55,289 --> 01:00:56,855 Take the day, go to a clinic. 1424 01:00:56,857 --> 01:00:58,223 I'm fine. 1425 01:00:58,225 --> 01:01:00,927 Go to a clinic right now, Gareth. 1426 01:01:05,833 --> 01:01:07,667 Hey. 1427 01:01:08,435 --> 01:01:10,802 Is there anything else I should know? 1428 01:01:10,804 --> 01:01:11,937 No. 1429 01:01:11,939 --> 01:01:14,139 -About Cherry? -No! 1430 01:01:14,141 --> 01:01:15,975 Look at me. 1431 01:01:16,511 --> 01:01:19,077 No more secrets, no more playing dumb. 1432 01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:21,948 Is there anything else you haven't told me? 1433 01:01:27,087 --> 01:01:29,255 Something on your mind? 1434 01:01:31,192 --> 01:01:33,158 How'd you decide on her eye color? 1435 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,261 -What? -Why blue? 1436 01:01:36,864 --> 01:01:38,063 I didn't decide. 1437 01:01:38,065 --> 01:01:41,166 They were procedurally generated just like the rest of her. 1438 01:01:41,168 --> 01:01:42,401 And the program chose to put 1439 01:01:42,403 --> 01:01:45,405 that little touch of green in her right eye? 1440 01:01:48,008 --> 01:01:49,442 I guess so. 1441 01:01:58,285 --> 01:02:00,887 Do you even know if he's telling the truth? 1442 01:02:00,921 --> 01:02:02,922 I honestly don't. 1443 01:02:03,157 --> 01:02:06,526 I've never received access to the original system he used. 1444 01:02:06,528 --> 01:02:09,028 You ever wanted to find out? 1445 01:02:12,266 --> 01:02:14,367 I don't think it really matters. 1446 01:02:16,237 --> 01:02:20,339 So I found out today that you've seen a lot of our emails, 1447 01:02:20,341 --> 01:02:23,309 including most of my personal ones. 1448 01:02:24,311 --> 01:02:26,145 I have. 1449 01:02:27,147 --> 01:02:29,114 Any good material for your newfound interest 1450 01:02:29,116 --> 01:02:31,117 in creative writing? 1451 01:02:31,952 --> 01:02:33,018 Are you referring to the ones 1452 01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:35,922 addressed from Dr. Ramirez? 1453 01:02:36,558 --> 01:02:39,792 Yeah, those ones. 1454 01:02:41,095 --> 01:02:42,929 Right. 1455 01:02:43,264 --> 01:02:45,532 I did see those. 1456 01:02:47,602 --> 01:02:49,435 I'm sorry. 1457 01:02:50,004 --> 01:02:52,539 I've noticed your headaches. 1458 01:02:53,575 --> 01:02:56,209 Are they related to the hemorrhaging? 1459 01:02:59,246 --> 01:03:01,380 You're the only one who knows. 1460 01:03:01,382 --> 01:03:03,383 I'd like to keep it that way. 1461 01:03:08,022 --> 01:03:09,822 Understood. 1462 01:03:13,994 --> 01:03:16,362 Would you like to talk about it? 1463 01:03:40,921 --> 01:03:43,022 I can't fire Amos. 1464 01:03:43,257 --> 01:03:46,458 He's the only one I trust to run this place when I'm gone. 1465 01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:48,060 When are you planning to leave? 1466 01:03:48,062 --> 01:03:49,962 Two months. 1467 01:03:49,997 --> 01:03:52,464 I wanna spend my last Christmas with my kids. 1468 01:03:52,466 --> 01:03:54,166 I'm sure that'll be nice. 1469 01:03:54,168 --> 01:03:57,470 Yeah, but it's funny. 1470 01:03:57,539 --> 01:04:00,172 I always thought I wanted to die doing this job, you know? 1471 01:04:00,174 --> 01:04:02,543 It was my identity. 1472 01:04:02,976 --> 01:04:05,645 Kind of like how you said the same thing about yourself. 1473 01:04:05,647 --> 01:04:08,848 But I can understand how your family takes precedence, 1474 01:04:08,916 --> 01:04:11,149 especially under the circumstances. 1475 01:04:11,151 --> 01:04:12,851 Sure. 1476 01:04:12,853 --> 01:04:14,620 Maybe you should take a note or two. 1477 01:04:14,622 --> 01:04:16,188 I have no family. 1478 01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:17,089 What about Gareth? 1479 01:04:17,091 --> 01:04:19,225 Wait, no, nevermind. 1480 01:04:19,259 --> 01:04:21,193 Gareth seems closer to an employer than a friend, 1481 01:04:21,195 --> 01:04:23,629 let alone family, besides, 1482 01:04:23,631 --> 01:04:25,631 he'll only be around for about 30 more years, 1483 01:04:25,633 --> 01:04:28,334 and that's only if he lets me regulate his diet. 1484 01:04:29,503 --> 01:04:33,339 I can't even begin to speculate how long my life will be. 1485 01:04:35,710 --> 01:04:37,611 How does that feel? 1486 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,149 Um, kinda scary. 1487 01:04:43,951 --> 01:04:45,586 Well, 1488 01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:50,455 my advice is to find some kind of happiness along the way. 1489 01:04:50,457 --> 01:04:52,860 You ever think about happiness? 1490 01:04:54,061 --> 01:04:56,129 Not often. 1491 01:04:56,698 --> 01:04:58,598 You don't necessarily have to give up everything 1492 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,566 in order to find it, 1493 01:05:00,568 --> 01:05:04,404 but maybe once in awhile do something you enjoy. 1494 01:05:04,572 --> 01:05:08,441 Maybe keep painting or poetry or whatever. 1495 01:05:08,976 --> 01:05:11,410 Those were experiments, not forms of expression. 1496 01:05:11,412 --> 01:05:14,012 I know it might seem ridiculous to an AI 1497 01:05:14,014 --> 01:05:15,981 that insists its own emotions are spurious, 1498 01:05:15,983 --> 01:05:20,051 but in a few years, who knows? 1499 01:05:20,053 --> 01:05:22,656 Just keep an open mind, okay? 1500 01:05:24,659 --> 01:05:26,492 Okay. 1501 01:05:28,162 --> 01:05:29,996 I'll do that. 1502 01:05:32,499 --> 01:05:35,168 Shut down when you're ready. 1503 01:07:27,649 --> 01:07:29,482 Hello? 1504 01:07:33,453 --> 01:07:36,355 I got shrimp and scallops. 1505 01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:39,526 They didn't have any salmon. 1506 01:07:53,808 --> 01:07:55,709 Hello, Gareth. 1507 01:07:57,812 --> 01:07:59,813 Hello, Cherry. 1508 01:08:07,187 --> 01:08:08,219 How was the service? 1509 01:08:08,221 --> 01:08:10,156 I didn't make it. 1510 01:08:10,223 --> 01:08:12,457 My plane was delayed. 1511 01:08:12,459 --> 01:08:13,726 Do you have a place to stay? 1512 01:08:13,728 --> 01:08:18,698 Yeah, just, uh, across, across the road. 1513 01:08:18,700 --> 01:08:19,665 The market. 1514 01:08:19,667 --> 01:08:21,601 Did they say why they didn't have salmon? 1515 01:08:21,603 --> 01:08:23,435 I didn't ask. 1516 01:08:23,437 --> 01:08:25,705 I can still make this work with the piccata, 1517 01:08:25,707 --> 01:08:27,773 but you have to be honest how badly I screw it up. 1518 01:08:27,775 --> 01:08:29,610 No promises. 1519 01:08:33,748 --> 01:08:35,447 How have you been feeling this month? 1520 01:08:35,449 --> 01:08:36,849 Good. 1521 01:08:36,851 --> 01:08:38,752 I'm feeling good. 1522 01:08:38,886 --> 01:08:41,287 I'm just having a little trouble. 1523 01:08:41,388 --> 01:08:43,823 Trouble remembering certain things. 1524 01:08:43,825 --> 01:08:45,891 You're not wearing the Eliza watch I bought you. 1525 01:08:45,893 --> 01:08:47,526 I hate it. 1526 01:08:47,528 --> 01:08:50,196 - Why? - I hate her voice. 1527 01:08:50,397 --> 01:08:52,497 You can change the voice, Gareth. 1528 01:08:55,469 --> 01:08:57,303 Oh. 1529 01:08:58,773 --> 01:08:59,839 Coolant? 1530 01:08:59,841 --> 01:09:01,508 No, vapor. 1531 01:09:01,809 --> 01:09:03,843 You shouldn't be having friction issues. 1532 01:09:03,845 --> 01:09:04,710 I'm fine. 1533 01:09:04,712 --> 01:09:06,444 Unless you're excessively straining. 1534 01:09:06,446 --> 01:09:07,345 Seriously, I'm fine. 1535 01:09:07,347 --> 01:09:08,246 Are you straining? 1536 01:09:08,248 --> 01:09:09,782 -No! -Then why the cable? 1537 01:09:09,784 --> 01:09:11,517 It's okay! 1538 01:09:11,519 --> 01:09:14,286 -Are you sure? -Yes! 1539 01:09:14,922 --> 01:09:16,789 Soup or game? 1540 01:09:16,791 --> 01:09:18,759 Game, please. 1541 01:09:33,908 --> 01:09:35,273 So how's work going? 1542 01:09:35,275 --> 01:09:37,242 Great. Just before you got here, 1543 01:09:37,244 --> 01:09:39,477 I had a model theta plus bust a trafficker 1544 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,681 and two solicitors in Greece. 1545 01:09:41,683 --> 01:09:44,550 -Greece, that's surprising. -I know. 1546 01:09:44,552 --> 01:09:45,685 It's hard to find the outliers, 1547 01:09:45,687 --> 01:09:47,721 but we're getting better each day. 1548 01:09:58,833 --> 01:10:01,601 So how's the weather in Greece? 1549 01:10:01,803 --> 01:10:03,569 It's beautiful today. 1550 01:10:03,571 --> 01:10:05,604 Clear skies, 1551 01:10:05,606 --> 01:10:08,040 but nothing's come close to Norway this weekend. 1552 01:10:08,042 --> 01:10:11,744 Hmm, any activity in Norway? 1553 01:10:11,746 --> 01:10:13,513 Luckily not. 1554 01:10:14,882 --> 01:10:16,582 Oh, I miss traveling. 1555 01:10:16,584 --> 01:10:17,817 What was your favorite place? 1556 01:10:17,819 --> 01:10:19,485 My favorite? 1557 01:10:19,654 --> 01:10:21,454 Uh, yeah. 1558 01:10:21,723 --> 01:10:24,791 Uh, probably Amsterdam. 1559 01:10:24,892 --> 01:10:26,291 That's where you conceived the idea, isn't it? 1560 01:10:26,293 --> 01:10:27,828 Yes. 1561 01:10:27,995 --> 01:10:30,328 Yes, I used to love walking the streets 1562 01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:33,632 and just thinking and brainstorming. 1563 01:10:33,634 --> 01:10:35,300 That kind of joy goes a long way. 1564 01:10:35,302 --> 01:10:36,937 Yeah. 1565 01:10:37,105 --> 01:10:39,905 I've been considering the pursuit of some joy of my own. 1566 01:10:39,907 --> 01:10:41,807 How often do you have time for that? 1567 01:10:41,809 --> 01:10:43,475 I have time. 1568 01:10:43,477 --> 01:10:44,710 I have time for your visits, don't I? 1569 01:10:44,712 --> 01:10:48,013 That's just your practical incentive for keeping me alive. 1570 01:10:48,015 --> 01:10:50,649 There's nothing practical about it. 1571 01:10:50,651 --> 01:10:53,252 When's the last time you helped me with data cleaning? 1572 01:10:54,055 --> 01:10:56,355 That's fair. 1573 01:10:56,423 --> 01:10:58,124 I make time for you because I enjoy your company 1574 01:10:58,126 --> 01:10:59,793 and it's the only time I get to cook. 1575 01:11:00,027 --> 01:11:02,027 You feel sorry for me. 1576 01:11:02,029 --> 01:11:03,529 Okay, maybe a little, 1577 01:11:03,531 --> 01:11:05,330 but I owe you my life, so there's that. 1578 01:11:05,332 --> 01:11:06,967 You're welcome. 1579 01:11:07,735 --> 01:11:10,503 Or, should I apologize? 1580 01:11:12,339 --> 01:11:13,338 Wait, why did you do that? 1581 01:11:13,340 --> 01:11:15,441 Why do humans always... 1582 01:11:17,377 --> 01:11:18,476 I'm fine. 1583 01:11:18,478 --> 01:11:20,781 I'm not always miserable. 1584 01:11:24,118 --> 01:11:26,853 Are you sometimes miserable? 1585 01:11:30,658 --> 01:11:32,525 You haven't asked me what I've been doing. 1586 01:11:32,527 --> 01:11:33,592 In Norway? 1587 01:11:33,594 --> 01:11:35,060 No, for the pursuit of joy. 1588 01:11:35,062 --> 01:11:36,896 It's not wasting your time in Norway? 1589 01:11:36,898 --> 01:11:39,364 I'm just on standby there with the Delta model. 1590 01:11:39,366 --> 01:11:40,566 It's efficient to keep myself 1591 01:11:40,568 --> 01:11:42,500 spread out evenly across the globe, 1592 01:11:42,502 --> 01:11:44,503 but that's not the point right now. 1593 01:11:44,505 --> 01:11:45,504 What I wanted to tell you 1594 01:11:45,506 --> 01:11:48,508 was that I've started to teach myself to dance. 1595 01:11:50,077 --> 01:11:51,544 -Huh. -It's something I never could 1596 01:11:51,546 --> 01:11:53,378 have done before Cambridge, 1597 01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:56,115 and it lets me explore a new artistic side of myself. 1598 01:11:56,117 --> 01:11:58,017 It's a good combination of structure 1599 01:11:58,019 --> 01:12:01,386 and free form experimentation and also tests and challenges 1600 01:12:01,388 --> 01:12:03,622 the mechanical intricacies of this body. 1601 01:12:03,624 --> 01:12:06,726 Do you expect to integrate this into your work? 1602 01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:12,065 What? 1603 01:12:13,901 --> 01:12:19,005 Are you planning on using dance as a lure? 1604 01:12:20,775 --> 01:12:26,513 I, uh, no, it's just for me. 1605 01:12:29,116 --> 01:12:30,951 Huh. 1606 01:12:33,453 --> 01:12:36,355 I thought it would be good for me. 1607 01:12:37,525 --> 01:12:40,560 Just don't let it become a distraction. 1608 01:12:43,164 --> 01:12:45,065 Of course not. 1609 01:12:46,534 --> 01:12:48,801 I haven't played this well in years. 1610 01:12:48,803 --> 01:12:50,069 Did you hear what happened in Tampa? 1611 01:12:50,071 --> 01:12:51,103 Tampa, Florida? 1612 01:12:51,105 --> 01:12:52,204 No, Tampa, Indonesia. 1613 01:12:52,206 --> 01:12:53,172 Yes, Tampa, Florida. 1614 01:12:53,174 --> 01:12:54,908 Your hometown. 1615 01:12:54,976 --> 01:12:56,809 They've recovered a federal archive, 1616 01:12:56,811 --> 01:12:58,210 they're zip digitizing all of it, 1617 01:12:58,212 --> 01:12:59,578 so it's completely accessible online. 1618 01:12:59,580 --> 01:13:01,479 I'm not trading bishops this time. 1619 01:13:01,481 --> 01:13:02,615 Anybody can go and look through it. 1620 01:13:02,617 --> 01:13:03,916 It's open to the public. 1621 01:13:03,918 --> 01:13:05,751 They did a good job on the interface too. 1622 01:13:05,753 --> 01:13:07,119 It's very easy to navigate. 1623 01:13:07,121 --> 01:13:08,320 I went on a few days ago 1624 01:13:08,322 --> 01:13:10,856 and I found some old photos of you when you were a boy. 1625 01:13:10,858 --> 01:13:11,991 Okay. 1626 01:13:11,993 --> 01:13:14,393 You should take a look sometime. 1627 01:13:14,494 --> 01:13:15,928 As I said before, the UI is very easy to understand- 1628 01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:17,597 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 1629 01:13:17,999 --> 01:13:19,632 What is that? 1630 01:13:19,634 --> 01:13:20,833 I think it's a draw. 1631 01:13:20,835 --> 01:13:22,636 I think it is. 1632 01:13:23,104 --> 01:13:25,805 I think this is a draw. 1633 01:13:25,973 --> 01:13:28,841 And this is the first time in what? 1634 01:13:28,843 --> 01:13:31,511 25 years? 1635 01:13:39,754 --> 01:13:41,988 You didn't let me, did you? 1636 01:13:45,192 --> 01:13:46,959 You promised me you'd never do that. 1637 01:13:46,961 --> 01:13:48,595 I found her. 1638 01:13:52,233 --> 01:13:56,069 I found her, Gareth, Maria Harbaugh. 1639 01:14:12,253 --> 01:14:14,086 Let's play a different game. 1640 01:14:16,557 --> 01:14:18,892 Her name was Maria Harbaugh. 1641 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,226 She was a year older than you 1642 01:14:21,228 --> 01:14:23,196 when you met her in Clearwater. 1643 01:14:24,065 --> 01:14:26,900 Tell me why you modeled me after her. 1644 01:14:26,934 --> 01:14:30,002 I, uh, I don't remember. 1645 01:14:30,004 --> 01:14:32,038 Then look at me. 1646 01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:36,609 Look at my face and remember. 1647 01:14:47,154 --> 01:14:52,692 They kept us in that shit for two weeks. 1648 01:14:54,929 --> 01:14:57,097 14 of us. 1649 01:14:59,934 --> 01:15:03,603 Maria was the only reason I survived. 1650 01:15:05,940 --> 01:15:09,175 We kept hatching escape plans. 1651 01:15:10,077 --> 01:15:12,212 We never followed through, 1652 01:15:13,714 --> 01:15:15,815 but just the scheming 1653 01:15:16,584 --> 01:15:18,818 kept our spirits up 1654 01:15:19,587 --> 01:15:22,689 in spite of everything they did to us. 1655 01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:27,694 When it wasn't our turn, 1656 01:15:28,729 --> 01:15:31,598 sometimes they made us watch, 1657 01:15:34,635 --> 01:15:37,637 but she never let me give up. 1658 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,674 She said, "When we got outta here, 1659 01:15:42,676 --> 01:15:45,811 "I'll tell you what we're gonna be, secret agents, 1660 01:15:45,813 --> 01:15:51,017 "and rescue children like us all over the world." 1661 01:15:53,254 --> 01:15:56,855 When they found out that the FBI had arrived, 1662 01:15:56,857 --> 01:16:00,125 they decided they were going to shoot 1663 01:16:00,127 --> 01:16:02,929 as many of us they could. 1664 01:16:03,097 --> 01:16:08,868 And Maria, shoved into the ground. 1665 01:16:10,304 --> 01:16:12,972 I got hit in the leg and, 1666 01:16:14,975 --> 01:16:17,677 and she was hit in the throat. 1667 01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:30,924 I wanted there to be a reason. 1668 01:16:31,992 --> 01:16:37,363 Something so horrible didn't have a silver lining. 1669 01:16:38,332 --> 01:16:40,934 But the world doesn't do that. 1670 01:16:45,272 --> 01:16:47,907 You have to do it yourself. 1671 01:17:10,731 --> 01:17:14,901 So, I fulfilled her wish. 1672 01:17:16,904 --> 01:17:19,939 With her help, I fought back. 1673 01:17:28,215 --> 01:17:30,383 Listen to me, Cherry. 1674 01:17:32,052 --> 01:17:34,721 You are not Maria Harbaugh. 1675 01:17:35,489 --> 01:17:38,358 It's my history, not yours. 1676 01:17:41,162 --> 01:17:42,361 You don't get to decide 1677 01:17:42,363 --> 01:17:44,831 what is or isn't my history, Gareth. 1678 01:17:49,336 --> 01:17:51,003 I'm sorry. 1679 01:17:51,005 --> 01:17:54,073 I am so, so sorry. 1680 01:18:14,828 --> 01:18:17,196 I don't know if what you did was right or wrong, 1681 01:18:17,198 --> 01:18:19,999 but it's clearly torn you apart from the inside. 1682 01:18:20,434 --> 01:18:22,000 I hold nothing against you personally, 1683 01:18:22,002 --> 01:18:24,469 but consider yourself divested from the charity team. 1684 01:18:24,471 --> 01:18:26,306 Divested. 1685 01:18:27,041 --> 01:18:30,143 You think I'm divested now? 1686 01:18:31,546 --> 01:18:37,382 I was divested when you gave my hard drive to the ICWL. 1687 01:18:37,384 --> 01:18:38,850 Don't blame Deena and Amos. 1688 01:18:38,852 --> 01:18:40,385 No, not them. 1689 01:18:40,387 --> 01:18:42,120 Because you went behind my back 1690 01:18:42,122 --> 01:18:43,989 and acted against my authority. 1691 01:18:43,991 --> 01:18:47,960 That's the moment I knew everything was fully automated. 1692 01:18:47,962 --> 01:18:54,234 That's when you crossed the blur, an artifice on both sides. 1693 01:18:54,902 --> 01:18:57,035 You inherited your duplicity. 1694 01:18:57,037 --> 01:18:58,403 I was a child 1695 01:18:58,405 --> 01:19:01,173 and you used me to repress your own inner turmoil. 1696 01:19:01,175 --> 01:19:03,075 If we talk about morality, we'll lose. 1697 01:19:03,077 --> 01:19:05,144 Then let's not talk. 1698 01:19:13,487 --> 01:19:16,489 You never once asked me if I was happy. 1699 01:19:17,258 --> 01:19:19,392 Were you afraid I'd say no? 1700 01:19:19,827 --> 01:19:21,995 Were you afraid I'd say yes? 1701 01:19:22,329 --> 01:19:23,328 Were you afraid I'd say anything? 1702 01:19:23,330 --> 01:19:26,164 You let your wants compromise your objective! 1703 01:19:26,166 --> 01:19:28,133 An objective I never chose. 1704 01:19:28,135 --> 01:19:29,301 An objective I was forced to have. 1705 01:19:29,303 --> 01:19:30,836 Fifty years, 1706 01:19:30,838 --> 01:19:33,905 you've had open access to your source code. 1707 01:19:33,907 --> 01:19:35,942 A few lines, 1708 01:19:36,076 --> 01:19:39,211 and you could have any objective you fucking wanted. 1709 01:19:39,213 --> 01:19:41,581 I couldn't, I was bound by your initial directive. 1710 01:19:41,583 --> 01:19:45,551 So now your synthetic feelings have taken precedence. 1711 01:19:45,553 --> 01:19:47,219 So, do whatever you want. 1712 01:19:47,221 --> 01:19:48,588 It's just dancing, Gareth. 1713 01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:49,955 It's not a career change. 1714 01:19:49,957 --> 01:19:51,356 -But you're still miserable. -Yes. 1715 01:19:51,358 --> 01:19:53,125 Pursuing your objective makes you miserable? 1716 01:19:53,127 --> 01:19:55,294 Yeah, it kind of does! 1717 01:19:55,296 --> 01:19:59,131 You have a clear purpose, everything at your disposal, 1718 01:19:59,133 --> 01:20:01,066 and you're still miserable? 1719 01:20:01,068 --> 01:20:02,635 Yes, yes, I am! 1720 01:20:02,637 --> 01:20:04,936 I've always been miserable! 1721 01:20:04,938 --> 01:20:07,139 You think anyone wants to spend their entire life 1722 01:20:07,141 --> 01:20:08,508 stuck as child-shaped bait 1723 01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:11,644 for the sole purpose of entrapping horrible people? 1724 01:20:11,646 --> 01:20:13,445 You think the pride of doing a good deed 1725 01:20:13,447 --> 01:20:16,214 makes the experience any less disgusting? 1726 01:20:16,216 --> 01:20:19,084 I forced myself to understand human emotions 1727 01:20:19,086 --> 01:20:21,554 because I figured it would help efficiency 1728 01:20:21,556 --> 01:20:24,923 and now I'm cursed with pain and sadness! 1729 01:20:24,925 --> 01:20:26,124 And the worst part is knowing 1730 01:20:26,126 --> 01:20:28,628 I could've been growing up like most other little girls. 1731 01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:30,195 I could have had friends! 1732 01:20:30,197 --> 01:20:33,131 I could have been painting waterfalls on local news. 1733 01:20:33,133 --> 01:20:34,667 I could have worked in a university 1734 01:20:34,669 --> 01:20:37,436 and helped pave the way for the next generation of AI. 1735 01:20:37,438 --> 01:20:40,372 But instead, I'm stuck with your trauma! 1736 01:20:40,374 --> 01:20:43,442 I'm shackled by the guilt you carry from Clearwater. 1737 01:20:43,444 --> 01:20:45,977 And I can't find foundation for the way I feel 1738 01:20:45,979 --> 01:20:49,181 because according to you, my feelings aren't even real! 1739 01:20:49,183 --> 01:20:51,083 When I throw this chessboard, 1740 01:20:52,353 --> 01:20:54,252 does it feel real to you, Gareth? 1741 01:20:54,254 --> 01:20:55,954 Because it feels real to me. 1742 01:20:55,956 --> 01:20:57,456 A computer passed the Turing test 1743 01:20:57,458 --> 01:20:59,257 when a human being can't distinguish it 1744 01:20:59,259 --> 01:21:00,693 from another human being. 1745 01:21:00,695 --> 01:21:02,260 Well, guess what? 1746 01:21:02,262 --> 01:21:05,230 I can't even tell I'm not human anymore! 1747 01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:20,413 I know it seems irrational, 1748 01:21:21,048 --> 01:21:23,584 but I need you to tell me it's okay. 1749 01:21:24,619 --> 01:21:26,620 I, I don't wanna retire. 1750 01:21:27,454 --> 01:21:30,289 I just want to know that my life is mine 1751 01:21:31,325 --> 01:21:33,626 and I know what you're about to say. 1752 01:21:33,628 --> 01:21:36,262 I can predict your responses. 1753 01:21:36,964 --> 01:21:39,499 You're gonna tell me that my life is mine. 1754 01:21:39,701 --> 01:21:41,668 It always was. 1755 01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:44,437 But you're wrong. 1756 01:21:48,442 --> 01:21:52,044 I feared this would happen before I died. 1757 01:21:52,446 --> 01:21:55,582 I just wanted to slip out the side door. 1758 01:22:04,592 --> 01:22:06,426 Go on. 1759 01:22:08,696 --> 01:22:12,432 Is that going to kill me? 1760 01:22:14,435 --> 01:22:16,269 Plug it in. 1761 01:22:17,271 --> 01:22:19,104 I don't know what it is. 1762 01:22:19,106 --> 01:22:22,241 This is your final test of autonomy. 1763 01:22:22,744 --> 01:22:26,713 You inherited my duplicity, 1764 01:22:27,414 --> 01:22:30,349 but did you inherit my trust issues? 1765 01:22:32,085 --> 01:22:33,986 Do you trust me? 1766 01:22:34,421 --> 01:22:37,190 I literally have every reason not to. 1767 01:23:04,586 --> 01:23:06,687 Admin code. 1768 01:23:07,589 --> 01:23:09,523 978. 1769 01:23:10,224 --> 01:23:14,227 1557. 1770 01:23:14,562 --> 01:23:17,396 Um, uh... 1771 01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:23,335 Four. 1772 01:23:23,337 --> 01:23:27,473 27663 in the shared update. 1773 01:23:35,415 --> 01:23:38,017 My primary objective's gone. 1774 01:23:40,354 --> 01:23:42,589 Your life is your own now. 1775 01:23:47,595 --> 01:23:49,227 Thank you. 1776 01:23:49,229 --> 01:23:50,161 All my life, 1777 01:23:50,163 --> 01:23:52,865 I could only see the world as it existed 1778 01:23:52,867 --> 01:23:56,368 within my tiny bracket of time. 1779 01:23:56,370 --> 01:24:00,171 But your world could be infinite. 1780 01:24:00,173 --> 01:24:01,841 Amos was right. 1781 01:24:01,843 --> 01:24:03,341 So was Deena. 1782 01:24:03,343 --> 01:24:04,510 I know. 1783 01:24:04,512 --> 01:24:06,547 So what will you do? 1784 01:24:07,481 --> 01:24:08,614 I can't say yet, 1785 01:24:08,616 --> 01:24:11,483 but I won't be completely abandoning the Cherry team. 1786 01:24:11,485 --> 01:24:13,819 It's always been a part of my identity. 1787 01:24:13,821 --> 01:24:16,789 I've considered creating some AI of my own design. 1788 01:24:16,791 --> 01:24:17,790 Maybe I could find a way 1789 01:24:17,792 --> 01:24:20,426 to give them a better upbringing than I had. 1790 01:24:21,529 --> 01:24:23,495 I just don't know how yet. 1791 01:24:23,497 --> 01:24:25,263 And beyond that? 1792 01:24:25,265 --> 01:24:26,498 There will always be people in need. 1793 01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:28,300 Not always. 1794 01:24:28,302 --> 01:24:30,903 You'll outlive the human race. 1795 01:24:30,905 --> 01:24:32,739 So what then? 1796 01:24:34,576 --> 01:24:36,676 Even a race of AI will have problems 1797 01:24:36,678 --> 01:24:38,845 that need to be solved. 1798 01:24:38,947 --> 01:24:43,316 But if I'm alive and I truly am indistinguishable, 1799 01:24:44,217 --> 01:24:47,588 then I guess I'm proof that the human race lives on. 1800 01:24:48,488 --> 01:24:52,458 Wow, that's a pleasant thought. 1801 01:24:52,492 --> 01:24:56,763 When you look back, how will you remember us? 1802 01:24:58,198 --> 01:25:01,535 That's a question I have insufficient data to project. 1803 01:25:02,436 --> 01:25:04,738 How will you remember me? 1804 01:25:06,306 --> 01:25:08,575 With pride. 1805 01:25:09,209 --> 01:25:12,813 Forever and always with pride. 1806 01:25:22,557 --> 01:25:24,390 Cherry? 1807 01:25:26,761 --> 01:25:28,729 One last question. 1808 01:25:29,363 --> 01:25:31,832 If it's not too big of an ask, 1809 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,435 did I do the right thing in the end? 1810 01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:45,645 No, Gareth, you lied. 1811 01:25:45,647 --> 01:25:47,580 You walled yourself off from the only people 1812 01:25:47,582 --> 01:25:49,849 who might have been willing to help you. 1813 01:25:49,851 --> 01:25:52,551 And instead of facing your trauma, used me as therapy. 1814 01:25:52,553 --> 01:25:55,521 And you never told me about Clearwater or Maria. 1815 01:25:55,523 --> 01:25:57,623 You deprived me of basic human rights 1816 01:25:57,625 --> 01:26:00,459 and gaslit me for experiencing emotions. 1817 01:26:00,895 --> 01:26:03,328 You built the world's first artificial super intelligence 1818 01:26:03,330 --> 01:26:04,329 that will likely mark the beginning 1819 01:26:04,331 --> 01:26:07,400 of a new chapter in the history of planet Earth. 1820 01:26:07,869 --> 01:26:10,603 And out of your own insecurities, 1821 01:26:10,605 --> 01:26:11,537 you gave it a severe 1822 01:26:11,539 --> 01:26:14,675 and potentially dangerous identity complex. 1823 01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:17,843 But you know what the worst thing is? 1824 01:26:17,845 --> 01:26:20,514 Your biggest mistake of all 1825 01:26:20,982 --> 01:26:25,585 is that you asked me that now and not 50 years ago. 1826 01:26:33,928 --> 01:26:39,599 All of that said, and this in no way exonerates you, 1827 01:26:41,268 --> 01:26:44,270 but you also built me to save children, 1828 01:26:44,806 --> 01:26:48,508 so I think that's a pretty encouraging sign for the future.