1 00:00:07,674 --> 00:00:10,844 {\an8}JARED FOGLE: THE SUBWAY MONSTER 2 00:00:15,014 --> 00:00:18,184 My name is Tim Evans. I'm an investigative reporter and editor 3 00:00:18,251 --> 00:00:20,653 {\an8}in the Indianapolis Star newspaper. 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,057 {\an8}Much of my work focuses in child abuse and sexual abuse. 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,229 As a journalist and storyteller, 6 00:00:29,295 --> 00:00:31,598 I think the story by the intriguing Jared Fogle. 7 00:00:32,232 --> 00:00:33,733 I worked on this research 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,470 and I published several articles about Jared Fogel's activities. 9 00:00:37,971 --> 00:00:40,807 I thought I was a star. "Now I've done it!" 10 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:44,344 But then my brother Jared surpassed me. 11 00:00:44,811 --> 00:00:47,814 He went further and is now up there. 12 00:00:50,417 --> 00:00:52,952 The public considered Jared a celebrity. 13 00:00:53,319 --> 00:00:54,954 He went to places, to schools. 14 00:00:55,989 --> 00:00:57,657 The children were vibrating 15 00:00:57,724 --> 00:01:00,360 and they lined up to get autographs and shake his hand. 16 00:01:00,427 --> 00:01:01,861 One thing I learned 17 00:01:02,495 --> 00:01:04,264 It's just that you can't get over Jared. 18 00:01:04,330 --> 00:01:07,734 But Jared Fogle used his power and popularity 19 00:01:07,801 --> 00:01:10,637 to be grateful of the people he abused. 20 00:01:11,204 --> 00:01:15,008 We're trying to raise money for the children's baseball NGO. 21 00:01:15,074 --> 00:01:18,077 And it's always good to come back here to sunny Los Angeles. 22 00:01:21,548 --> 00:01:23,716 He looked like a person very inspiring. 23 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:28,855 A guy who lost a lot of weight eating sandwiches. 24 00:01:30,023 --> 00:01:32,425 And he managed to capitalize on it, 25 00:01:32,492 --> 00:01:34,294 create a career 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,095 and make a small fortune. 27 00:01:36,162 --> 00:01:38,531 {\an8}Subway has completely transformed. 28 00:01:38,965 --> 00:01:41,434 {\an8}They won 8 billion dollars. It's a lot. 29 00:01:41,501 --> 00:01:43,236 {\an8}You have become a millionaire. 30 00:01:43,703 --> 00:01:45,672 {\an8}And we see again and again 31 00:01:45,738 --> 00:01:48,041 what fame, celebrity, access to money 32 00:01:48,608 --> 00:01:50,443 can be a destructive combination. 33 00:01:51,678 --> 00:01:55,982 Jared Fogle used his popularity to create the Jared Foundation. 34 00:01:56,850 --> 00:02:02,021 The Jared Foundation promoted educational events for schools 35 00:02:02,088 --> 00:02:05,325 to talk about healthy eating and exercises. 36 00:02:05,391 --> 00:02:07,494 {\an8}I'm at Elementary School from Soldier Creek 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,696 {\an8}with Jared himself, the Subway Guy. 38 00:02:10,497 --> 00:02:14,067 I try to make children aware the importance of healthy choices. 39 00:02:14,734 --> 00:02:17,704 The person who ran this foundation It was Russell Taylor. 40 00:02:20,273 --> 00:02:23,776 If you wanted to have someone in his charitable foundation 41 00:02:23,843 --> 00:02:25,845 that was reliable, and not a risk, 42 00:02:27,146 --> 00:02:30,683 the last person in the world Who I would think of would be Russell Taylor. 43 00:02:31,684 --> 00:02:34,921 Russell Taylor was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. 44 00:02:40,627 --> 00:02:44,130 Jared Fogle met Russell Taylor at a community event 45 00:02:44,197 --> 00:02:46,833 in which Jared was the main speaker. 46 00:02:50,169 --> 00:02:53,640 Russell Taylor worked for the American Heart Association. 47 00:02:54,641 --> 00:02:58,144 Russell offered to write a speech for Jared, and it was good. 48 00:02:59,312 --> 00:03:02,448 And it didn't take long for Jared offer Russell a position 49 00:03:02,515 --> 00:03:03,850 as leader of his foundation. 50 00:03:06,819 --> 00:03:10,557 I think Russell was a con man. He was discreet, but he was a player 51 00:03:10,623 --> 00:03:13,426 and had a malice that Jared didn't have. 52 00:03:13,493 --> 00:03:17,630 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF JARED FOUNDATION 53 00:03:17,897 --> 00:03:20,400 They were close and they traveled together frequently. 54 00:03:21,334 --> 00:03:24,537 They had a double life on the road, 55 00:03:25,004 --> 00:03:27,440 promoting a good lifestyle for young people. 56 00:03:28,841 --> 00:03:30,143 And at night, 57 00:03:30,209 --> 00:03:33,313 they fed the vices and each other's problems. 58 00:03:38,551 --> 00:03:42,956 Jared Fogle met Russell Taylor. They formed a toxic partnership. 59 00:03:43,022 --> 00:03:46,159 And that's why everything else happened. 60 00:03:56,936 --> 00:04:02,308 Russell Taylor came into our lives when he dated our mother, Angela Taylor. 61 00:04:04,043 --> 00:04:06,512 Our mother met Russell on Facebook 62 00:04:06,579 --> 00:04:09,215 they talked on Facebook for a while. 63 00:04:09,282 --> 00:04:12,185 {\an8}And then, we took a trip to Chicago, 64 00:04:12,251 --> 00:04:14,354 {\an8}and that's where we met Russell. 65 00:04:16,389 --> 00:04:19,926 I was about ten years old, and Christian was about 13. 66 00:04:21,928 --> 00:04:25,865 I just remember he was very tanned and had dark hair. 67 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:28,434 He seemed cool. 68 00:04:29,202 --> 00:04:30,870 He was very lively. 69 00:04:31,671 --> 00:04:34,474 Very charismatic, very... 70 00:04:35,341 --> 00:04:36,943 - Very charming. - Very. 71 00:04:41,781 --> 00:04:44,283 After our mother met Russell, 72 00:04:44,350 --> 00:04:47,687 many good things started to happen. 73 00:04:49,889 --> 00:04:52,625 When we moved to Salem Creek, I was excited. 74 00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:54,994 The house was much bigger. 75 00:04:55,061 --> 00:04:59,198 It looked like a high class house, for me, at least. 76 00:04:59,265 --> 00:05:03,636 I was from lower-middle class and I thought it was very chic. 77 00:05:05,638 --> 00:05:09,142 In the other houses, Christian and I we had to share a room. 78 00:05:09,208 --> 00:05:12,045 Finally I managed to have my own space. It was incredible. 79 00:05:17,917 --> 00:05:21,854 Russell's passion it was definitely the cinema. 80 00:05:21,921 --> 00:05:25,258 Our entire portion had a movie theater theme, 81 00:05:25,324 --> 00:05:30,496 and he had stills from classic movies everywhere, 82 00:05:30,563 --> 00:05:33,833 and loved making his own films. 83 00:05:34,333 --> 00:05:37,503 Russell had the production company itself, 84 00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:39,238 {\an8}which he called Blueouthouse Studios. 85 00:05:39,706 --> 00:05:41,641 {\an8}It had its own logo and stuff. 86 00:05:42,675 --> 00:05:46,713 IN THE LIFE OF EVERY CHAMPION 87 00:05:46,779 --> 00:05:48,414 - It was a little strange. - It was. 88 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:53,853 Because he made a video of me playing softball. 89 00:05:57,023 --> 00:06:00,493 There were several shots of me, playing softball, 90 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,463 with some teammates, the technicians and other things. 91 00:06:05,264 --> 00:06:08,801 Other parents didn't do these things. 92 00:06:08,868 --> 00:06:12,071 So I think which was a little strange because... 93 00:06:12,138 --> 00:06:13,139 It seemed eccentric. 94 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:15,208 - It was exaggerated. - It was. 95 00:06:16,976 --> 00:06:20,346 I think producing films it was his thing. 96 00:06:20,413 --> 00:06:22,148 - Maybe it was just... - It was his hobby. 97 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:24,984 It was his way of supporting me. 98 00:06:27,386 --> 00:06:29,155 PENSKE: CHAMPIONS! 99 00:06:29,222 --> 00:06:33,126 A RUSSELL TAYLOR MOVIE PENSKE: CHAMPIONS! 100 00:06:33,793 --> 00:06:36,562 My mother changed, as a mother, when he met Russell. 101 00:06:37,697 --> 00:06:40,433 She passed of a strict Christian woman, 102 00:06:40,733 --> 00:06:42,935 who went to church every Sunday, 103 00:06:43,603 --> 00:06:48,107 for a carefree party person 104 00:06:48,174 --> 00:06:49,174 that I had never seen. 105 00:06:51,677 --> 00:06:53,613 It was incredible, in a way, 106 00:06:53,679 --> 00:06:57,650 because I felt that our mother she was our friend. 107 00:06:58,518 --> 00:07:03,122 She encouraged us to drink alcohol, smoke marijuana, 108 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:06,392 and let us have parties in their house. 109 00:07:07,193 --> 00:07:10,997 I'm talking about several bottles of distilled beverages. 110 00:07:11,998 --> 00:07:14,834 I was 15, and she was 12 or 13. 111 00:07:15,668 --> 00:07:19,672 When you are a teenager, you want to have fun, 112 00:07:19,739 --> 00:07:22,275 you want to feel like an adult. 113 00:07:23,609 --> 00:07:27,413 It sounded great, in theory. 114 00:07:28,548 --> 00:07:30,149 But in reality... 115 00:07:32,552 --> 00:07:34,187 it was the complete opposite. 116 00:07:45,898 --> 00:07:48,234 I was at a crossroads. 117 00:07:48,935 --> 00:07:51,370 I had proof of Jared 118 00:07:51,437 --> 00:07:54,974 saying what you want do, sexually, with children. 119 00:07:55,441 --> 00:07:57,877 Like, how old? Nine or ten years? 120 00:07:57,944 --> 00:08:00,213 Yes, that would be nice, It would be really nice. 121 00:08:00,546 --> 00:08:04,951 It was too much for me to handle alone. 122 00:08:05,818 --> 00:08:07,587 I went straight to the FBI. 123 00:08:13,893 --> 00:08:18,197 Upon arriving at the FBI office in Sarasota, Florida, 124 00:08:18,264 --> 00:08:20,499 I was introduced to Agent Billings. 125 00:08:22,535 --> 00:08:24,370 I shared all the details. 126 00:08:25,538 --> 00:08:27,340 And the recordings. 127 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,616 Which age is the easiest? 128 00:08:37,583 --> 00:08:40,019 Elementary school is the best age. 129 00:08:40,086 --> 00:08:42,521 The girls are starting maturing, you know? 130 00:08:42,588 --> 00:08:43,589 I know. 131 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:48,794 After a minute, she said: "Who do I think it is?" 132 00:08:49,862 --> 00:08:52,732 {\an8}She gathered some of the materials, left the room, 133 00:08:53,833 --> 00:08:56,836 and then three agents came back. 134 00:08:59,472 --> 00:09:02,575 Children are maturing faster nowadays. 135 00:09:02,642 --> 00:09:04,277 I know, I love it. 136 00:09:05,811 --> 00:09:08,247 They were not just shocked, 137 00:09:08,314 --> 00:09:12,084 how could they not believe that someone like him would say such things. 138 00:09:13,152 --> 00:09:15,488 They agreed that he needed to be investigated. 139 00:09:16,422 --> 00:09:17,723 But there was a problem. 140 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:23,062 What did I do could be seen as a crime. 141 00:09:24,263 --> 00:09:28,267 Legally, you must obtain the person's prior consent 142 00:09:28,334 --> 00:09:29,468 before recording it. 143 00:09:31,437 --> 00:09:33,439 The tapes wouldn't work in court. 144 00:09:37,476 --> 00:09:42,048 They believed that I had broken the law. 145 00:09:44,517 --> 00:09:47,119 I could face possible criminal charges. 146 00:09:56,495 --> 00:09:59,899 The only thing that would save me would be working with them. 147 00:10:00,499 --> 00:10:04,904 They wanted me to keep doing it exactly what I was doing. 148 00:10:04,971 --> 00:10:07,540 Talk to Jared and record him. 149 00:10:09,642 --> 00:10:13,479 The only difference was that, for legal reasons, 150 00:10:13,746 --> 00:10:18,651 they guided me what to say at the beginning and at the end of all recordings. 151 00:10:19,085 --> 00:10:20,920 Everything had a protocol. 152 00:10:22,989 --> 00:10:25,057 They gave me no choice. 153 00:10:25,124 --> 00:10:28,060 I had to become an undercover FBI agent. 154 00:10:40,406 --> 00:10:42,141 Why do you think the FBI needed you? 155 00:10:43,342 --> 00:10:46,245 The FBI needed me because I was already involved. 156 00:10:47,146 --> 00:10:49,382 They said: "You're already talking to him. 157 00:10:49,448 --> 00:10:51,350 You can get the proof. 158 00:10:51,417 --> 00:10:54,086 We want it to continue what are you doing." 159 00:10:57,189 --> 00:10:59,058 It was very scary 160 00:10:59,125 --> 00:11:03,129 {\an8}because, then, what I discovered came true. 161 00:11:06,032 --> 00:11:10,369 Work under cover It is one of the investigative tools 162 00:11:10,436 --> 00:11:12,271 the most important things the police have. 163 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:17,009 I'm Bob Hamer. I spent 26 years at the FBI. 164 00:11:17,076 --> 00:11:20,279 Many of these years as an undercover agent, 165 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:21,981 investigating sexual crimes. 166 00:11:22,348 --> 00:11:25,651 When we are in disguise, we came face to face 167 00:11:25,718 --> 00:11:27,887 with the target of the investigation. 168 00:11:27,953 --> 00:11:30,589 We take them to make criminal confessions, 169 00:11:30,656 --> 00:11:33,926 and that is much more valuable than circumstantial evidence. 170 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,197 Connections have become increasingly revealing, 171 00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:43,335 Jared finally started to tell me, in great detail, 172 00:11:43,402 --> 00:11:45,204 what he did with the children. 173 00:11:46,772 --> 00:11:50,209 I want to know how old the child is youngest person who has ever been with you. 174 00:11:51,577 --> 00:11:52,878 Tell me. 175 00:11:54,246 --> 00:11:56,015 I think 11 or 12. 176 00:11:56,082 --> 00:11:57,516 Was this the newest one? 177 00:11:57,917 --> 00:11:59,018 It was. 178 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:05,958 When Jared bragged of having sex with minors, 179 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,662 it was more than disturbing. 180 00:12:10,429 --> 00:12:12,865 "Monster" is a very kind word. 181 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:15,634 When Jared said these things, 182 00:12:15,701 --> 00:12:17,870 how did you know That wasn't a fantasy? 183 00:12:18,237 --> 00:12:21,006 What Jared did wasn't fantasy. 184 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:24,977 What he said, what he confessed, what you shared, 185 00:12:25,044 --> 00:12:26,645 what he wanted to do... 186 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:29,548 it was real. 187 00:12:29,982 --> 00:12:35,387 Having that desire, that attraction by children is not a crime in itself. 188 00:12:35,454 --> 00:12:39,658 It becomes a crime when you act according to this attraction. 189 00:12:40,392 --> 00:12:45,397 The FBI wanted proof of names, 190 00:12:46,332 --> 00:12:49,201 places, where he was going, 191 00:12:49,869 --> 00:12:51,303 but specifically, 192 00:12:52,004 --> 00:12:53,639 they wanted to find the victims. 193 00:12:54,206 --> 00:12:55,241 How old? 194 00:12:56,041 --> 00:12:57,977 About 11 or 12 or so. 195 00:12:58,844 --> 00:13:00,513 Do you remember her name? 196 00:13:01,213 --> 00:13:02,982 I don't remember her name. 197 00:13:04,950 --> 00:13:07,353 I had to play a role. 198 00:13:08,087 --> 00:13:10,689 I pretended to be someone I wasn't, 199 00:13:12,191 --> 00:13:13,191 someone I hated, 200 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,629 for him to open up to me 201 00:13:16,695 --> 00:13:19,064 and I could record what I needed 202 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:20,266 for the FBI. 203 00:13:22,034 --> 00:13:25,604 You say you want to teach me these different things. 204 00:13:26,338 --> 00:13:27,339 And I want it. 205 00:13:27,406 --> 00:13:31,110 I want you to teach me, I want to learn, I want you to tell me. 206 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:52,898 When I got information through conversations with Jared, 207 00:13:52,965 --> 00:13:56,135 I had to meet with the agents and deliver the material. 208 00:14:01,874 --> 00:14:04,510 We met in an abandoned parking lot 209 00:14:05,044 --> 00:14:06,779 in the middle of the night. 210 00:14:06,845 --> 00:14:08,414 And it was very strange. 211 00:14:10,783 --> 00:14:13,419 I looked at the parking lot It's in front of me 212 00:14:13,485 --> 00:14:17,756 and, on the other side, headlights blinked slowly. 213 00:14:29,868 --> 00:14:31,337 I delivered the material. 214 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:39,812 And they left. 215 00:14:42,514 --> 00:14:44,049 And I was left alone. 216 00:14:48,887 --> 00:14:51,890 Exchanges are made secretly 217 00:14:51,957 --> 00:14:53,626 to protect the witness. 218 00:14:54,193 --> 00:14:58,297 We don't want the witness to be seen with a law enforcement officer. 219 00:14:58,364 --> 00:15:02,101 When I worked undercover, I met with the case agent 220 00:15:02,167 --> 00:15:05,504 in the back of buildings, parking lots, grocery stores 221 00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:09,241 to make sure I was not being followed, nor was he, 222 00:15:09,308 --> 00:15:11,877 and that there was no one so that he could observe our meeting. 223 00:15:16,348 --> 00:15:20,653 If Jared found out that I was recording it 224 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,890 and gathering incriminating evidence against him, 225 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:27,893 What would he do to protect himself? 226 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,795 How far would he go? 227 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:32,231 I was in danger. 228 00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:34,099 I was scared. 229 00:15:35,334 --> 00:15:36,334 I was terrified. 230 00:15:45,077 --> 00:15:48,147 We knew that Russell worked for someone connected to Subway 231 00:15:48,213 --> 00:15:49,581 because everything was from Subway. 232 00:15:49,648 --> 00:15:52,184 I had backpacks and Subway t-shirts. 233 00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:54,119 I think he even had Subway sneakers. 234 00:15:54,553 --> 00:15:57,156 So when we ask, he finally said: 235 00:15:57,222 --> 00:15:58,991 "I work for Jared Fogle, 236 00:15:59,058 --> 00:16:02,027 {\an8}the guy who lost all that weight at Subway." 237 00:16:02,094 --> 00:16:03,996 {\an8}And for us, that was really cool. 238 00:16:05,431 --> 00:16:07,032 His life was like this: 239 00:16:07,099 --> 00:16:09,435 always texting Jared 240 00:16:09,501 --> 00:16:12,504 or on the phone or sending emails to Jared. 241 00:16:12,571 --> 00:16:14,406 And it always had to do with Subway. 242 00:16:16,108 --> 00:16:19,511 - He traveled a lot with Jared. - They went to Las Vegas a few times. 243 00:16:19,578 --> 00:16:21,780 To Las Vegas, to Thailand. 244 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:27,820 Russell's work impacted our lives. 245 00:16:27,886 --> 00:16:31,190 We traveled more, we went on vacation. 246 00:16:31,256 --> 00:16:34,660 And we live various experiences. 247 00:16:34,727 --> 00:16:37,029 We didn't have that when we were little. 248 00:16:37,096 --> 00:16:38,997 But it was fun. I had fun. 249 00:16:45,104 --> 00:16:47,239 The first time I met Jared personally 250 00:16:47,306 --> 00:16:49,375 That's when we went to dinner with him. 251 00:16:50,142 --> 00:16:52,745 It was very stressful because he was famous. 252 00:16:52,811 --> 00:16:55,347 Many people knew him. He had a lot of money. 253 00:16:55,981 --> 00:16:57,383 He was a celebrity. 254 00:16:58,217 --> 00:17:00,586 He seemed very shy and somewhat reserved. 255 00:17:00,986 --> 00:17:05,824 He had a personality very careful. 256 00:17:07,292 --> 00:17:11,196 He spoke, but he wasn't very extroverted. 257 00:17:11,263 --> 00:17:13,766 He liked listening and observing more. 258 00:17:15,834 --> 00:17:18,036 I would describe their dynamics 259 00:17:18,103 --> 00:17:22,508 like Jared being the producer, and Russell is the director of a film. 260 00:17:22,975 --> 00:17:25,544 Jared had the money and Russell did the work. 261 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:29,548 When Jared got involved more in our lives, 262 00:17:29,615 --> 00:17:31,817 it was as if we had more to talk about. 263 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:34,319 We had more to show our friends. 264 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,856 We thought we were cool. Like: "I know famous people. 265 00:17:37,923 --> 00:17:42,194 My stepfather knows Jared Fogle and he is like an uncle. 266 00:17:42,261 --> 00:17:45,497 He's part of the family, he comes to parties of family. We're going to his house." 267 00:17:45,564 --> 00:17:48,066 It was very glamorous. 268 00:17:49,401 --> 00:17:50,436 Very glamorous. 269 00:17:52,204 --> 00:17:53,705 Without Jared, 270 00:17:53,772 --> 00:17:56,108 Russell wouldn't have that house on Salem Creek. 271 00:17:56,175 --> 00:18:00,279 He wouldn't have the job or the opportunities you had. 272 00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,349 I would say that Jared He had dominion over us all. 273 00:18:11,323 --> 00:18:14,827 Jared used to call late at night. 274 00:18:16,328 --> 00:18:17,808 You can call me anytime, you know? 275 00:18:18,897 --> 00:18:19,965 Thank you. 276 00:18:20,032 --> 00:18:22,434 Get some sleep now, I'll talk to you tomorrow. 277 00:18:22,501 --> 00:18:24,770 - It's fine. Goodbye. - Bye. 278 00:18:27,005 --> 00:18:31,510 Call ended at 1:56 am. 279 00:18:33,345 --> 00:18:36,949 I couldn't sleep properly 280 00:18:37,015 --> 00:18:39,785 because as soon as these recordings were made, 281 00:18:40,219 --> 00:18:41,687 I had to make the delivery. 282 00:18:44,923 --> 00:18:47,726 It could be once or twice a night. 283 00:18:49,828 --> 00:18:52,764 It was very difficult for my family 284 00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:55,334 because there was a lot going on. 285 00:18:57,135 --> 00:19:01,006 Their mother was not present as often as it should. 286 00:19:06,144 --> 00:19:09,348 The investigation harmed our relationship. 287 00:19:10,115 --> 00:19:11,950 She goes out all the time. 288 00:19:12,017 --> 00:19:15,420 And when she was home, It was hidden in a room. 289 00:19:16,021 --> 00:19:20,158 She just told me she was working with the FBI to catch a bad guy. 290 00:19:20,225 --> 00:19:23,128 But I had no idea Who was this guy. 291 00:19:23,195 --> 00:19:25,664 {\an8}I tried to ask to her several times. 292 00:19:25,731 --> 00:19:28,400 {\an8}"Who should I be afraid of? Who is after us? 293 00:19:28,467 --> 00:19:30,969 {\an8}What did he do? What were you going to do?" 294 00:19:31,036 --> 00:19:33,138 But she never gave me an answer. 295 00:19:34,373 --> 00:19:37,242 I couldn't tell for children the whole story. 296 00:19:37,309 --> 00:19:39,511 For starters, it was top secret. 297 00:19:39,578 --> 00:19:43,615 And I couldn't compromise an investigation like this 298 00:19:43,682 --> 00:19:46,485 Why would I put hundreds of children at risk. 299 00:19:47,286 --> 00:19:48,620 And it was a nightmare. 300 00:19:48,687 --> 00:19:51,523 The children were not prepared to understand something like this. 301 00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:55,127 So I had to know what to tell them. 302 00:19:57,996 --> 00:20:00,465 I don't know if she thought who was protecting me, 303 00:20:00,532 --> 00:20:03,302 but don't tell me who should I be afraid of, 304 00:20:04,069 --> 00:20:07,306 It just made me afraid of everyone. 305 00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:10,108 Every stranger was a dangerous person. 306 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:15,681 I was alone at home with my sister practically all the time. 307 00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:19,051 It was very scary. 308 00:20:20,619 --> 00:20:23,689 Thinking that there is someone behind you, looking at you, 309 00:20:23,755 --> 00:20:25,524 It can really mess with our heads. 310 00:20:27,626 --> 00:20:30,629 My sister became very unstable. 311 00:20:30,696 --> 00:20:33,031 She had outbursts 312 00:20:33,098 --> 00:20:37,002 and he no longer behaved as before. 313 00:20:38,003 --> 00:20:41,039 She was always angry, anxious. 314 00:20:42,507 --> 00:20:45,377 If there was someone at the door that we didn't know, 315 00:20:45,444 --> 00:20:47,346 she freaked out. 316 00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:53,018 She was no longer happy and outgoing like it used to be. 317 00:20:59,658 --> 00:21:03,695 Conversations with Jared they got worse and worse. 318 00:21:06,064 --> 00:21:09,034 They were the darkest things than one could imagine. 319 00:21:09,534 --> 00:21:12,471 Let's get videos of child pornography to watch together. 320 00:21:13,505 --> 00:21:17,275 In one call, we talk about his trip to Thailand 321 00:21:17,743 --> 00:21:20,212 and that torments me to this day. 322 00:21:22,714 --> 00:21:25,684 When I heard what Jared was telling me, 323 00:21:26,551 --> 00:21:28,020 my soul was extinguished. 324 00:21:33,325 --> 00:21:37,062 What was the most different experience? that you had 325 00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,798 with someone really young? 326 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:42,768 It was definitely in Thailand. 327 00:21:43,235 --> 00:21:44,336 Is it really? 328 00:21:44,403 --> 00:21:46,271 I would love for you to come with me. 329 00:21:47,305 --> 00:21:49,541 We can get any age we want. 330 00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:51,743 It's crazy, it's easy there. 331 00:21:52,744 --> 00:21:55,247 It has different ages. You choose who you want, 332 00:21:56,415 --> 00:21:58,283 and there is a price for that, 333 00:22:00,085 --> 00:22:01,420 and you can do it. 334 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:03,121 And you don't have any problems? 335 00:22:03,188 --> 00:22:04,423 No there. 336 00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:11,163 He used to see a boy. 337 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:15,467 {\an8}I think he was around 10 or 11 years old. 338 00:22:16,034 --> 00:22:18,537 He was very descriptive. 339 00:22:21,573 --> 00:22:24,276 I want to know what turns you on. 340 00:22:24,910 --> 00:22:28,280 When I was with that little boy in Thailand was incredible. 341 00:22:28,346 --> 00:22:29,715 �? Tell me more. 342 00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:31,850 It was so good, darling. 343 00:22:32,984 --> 00:22:34,786 It was delicious. 344 00:22:35,654 --> 00:22:38,423 Do you prefer a boy or a girl? to give you pleasure? 345 00:22:43,495 --> 00:22:47,265 And Jared didn't abuse children only in Thailand, 346 00:22:48,233 --> 00:22:50,569 he was doing it here in the United States. 347 00:22:51,403 --> 00:22:53,138 This was his playground. 348 00:22:53,605 --> 00:22:56,041 But you can't go to Thailand all the time. 349 00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:57,776 No. 350 00:22:58,944 --> 00:23:01,613 That's why I have to find some things here, you know? 351 00:23:02,714 --> 00:23:04,716 What did you do with the little boys? 352 00:23:04,783 --> 00:23:07,185 I want you to explain it to me. Can you tell me? 353 00:23:07,652 --> 00:23:09,087 I played with their ass. 354 00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:11,223 It was wonderful. 355 00:23:13,358 --> 00:23:15,727 As soon as we hung up, 356 00:23:15,794 --> 00:23:18,063 I started to vomit. 357 00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:21,900 I never want to go through that again. 358 00:23:26,304 --> 00:23:27,639 I need a minute. 359 00:23:29,441 --> 00:23:30,642 Sorry. 360 00:23:34,112 --> 00:23:37,048 I thought I had delivered 361 00:23:37,115 --> 00:23:42,921 what I thought they were concrete information for the FBI, 362 00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:46,057 several times over the years. 363 00:23:46,124 --> 00:23:49,494 I couldn't understand what was the problem. 364 00:23:52,030 --> 00:23:55,834 He was not charged at that time, because there was no explicit act. 365 00:23:55,901 --> 00:23:59,171 When he talked about traveling to have sex with children, 366 00:23:59,237 --> 00:24:01,506 there was no proof that he had done it. 367 00:24:14,553 --> 00:24:18,757 I had a friend who Russell I really wanted Jared to meet. 368 00:24:20,091 --> 00:24:21,827 She was 15 years old at the time. 369 00:24:23,461 --> 00:24:26,064 So me and my friend We went to dinner with Jared. 370 00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:28,066 On the way there, of course, 371 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:29,968 {\an8}Russell was praising Jared 372 00:24:30,035 --> 00:24:33,171 {\an8}and making it seem that would be a big event. 373 00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:36,374 We got there and it was very peaceful. 374 00:24:36,741 --> 00:24:39,477 Jared didn't open up much. 375 00:24:39,544 --> 00:24:44,182 He was very careful about what he said and the movements he would make. 376 00:24:44,749 --> 00:24:48,453 It wasn't that interesting as much as Russell made it out to be. 377 00:24:49,754 --> 00:24:51,223 After that dinner, 378 00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:55,393 I started listening more about Jared's interest in her. 379 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,703 Jared sent messages for Russell. 380 00:25:04,769 --> 00:25:07,239 He made comments over her breasts, 381 00:25:07,305 --> 00:25:10,976 about her appearance and about having sex with our friend. 382 00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:14,980 Didn't you think it was strange at the time? 383 00:25:15,046 --> 00:25:16,715 I looked at it as if they were 384 00:25:18,216 --> 00:25:19,584 Just some perverts. 385 00:25:19,651 --> 00:25:23,255 Like, a perverted uncle. "I have a perverted uncle, you know?" 386 00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:24,890 But it was much more than that. 387 00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:29,127 I told you what Jared I had said to my friend. 388 00:25:29,728 --> 00:25:32,397 She was very surprised by this. 389 00:25:32,931 --> 00:25:36,768 She was very uncomfortable 390 00:25:37,202 --> 00:25:40,038 and kind of questioned me about it, type: 391 00:25:40,672 --> 00:25:42,741 "Why is he saying this about me?" 392 00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:48,914 At the time, I felt strange and uncomfortable 393 00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:52,417 because at this moment I kind of started to realize 394 00:25:52,951 --> 00:25:55,987 that maybe something wasn't right there. 395 00:26:04,162 --> 00:26:06,598 Do you want to see me having sex? with someone really young? 396 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,405 Hear what Jared had to say It really started to get to me. 397 00:26:14,673 --> 00:26:19,411 I felt very stressed, more stressed than ever in my life. 398 00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:23,348 Three years playing my role with Jared 399 00:26:24,215 --> 00:26:28,186 and even though I managed to collect more information, 400 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:29,888 he was not detained. 401 00:26:30,855 --> 00:26:33,191 I'm trying to talk with the children on this trip. 402 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,894 And now I travel the world sharing my story. 403 00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,261 Did you see that? 404 00:26:37,729 --> 00:26:40,899 He was a motivational speaker in schools 405 00:26:40,966 --> 00:26:42,434 {\an8}and goes on tour. 406 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,403 {\an8}Applause for Jared, from Subway. 407 00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:48,239 {\an8}He was a special guest at sporting events. 408 00:26:48,306 --> 00:26:49,908 You know what, Jared? 409 00:26:50,508 --> 00:26:52,544 {\an8}I'm not your fan. 410 00:26:53,345 --> 00:26:57,515 Jared used his celebrity status to gain children's trust. 411 00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:03,722 The FBI and I knew who he was and what were his true desires, 412 00:27:03,788 --> 00:27:06,024 but the public had no idea. 413 00:27:07,258 --> 00:27:08,760 I feel like I can do anything. 414 00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:17,969 This affected my health a lot. 415 00:27:21,406 --> 00:27:25,110 And it was interfering with my work. 416 00:27:27,912 --> 00:27:30,115 Then something happened 417 00:27:30,782 --> 00:27:32,784 that destroyed my entire family. 418 00:27:39,858 --> 00:27:41,226 I had a diary. 419 00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:49,167 And I wrote about some moments where I was talking to Jared on the phone, 420 00:27:50,435 --> 00:27:52,670 documenting each call. 421 00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:06,384 One night I came home, 422 00:28:07,986 --> 00:28:12,057 {\an8}and something was wrong, I didn't know what it was. 423 00:28:13,691 --> 00:28:16,461 Someone had entered my office. 424 00:28:17,896 --> 00:28:20,799 There was a bunch of torn up papers. 425 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,701 It was one of my diaries. 426 00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:29,574 I started to get very anxious 427 00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:34,379 because my children were the only ones in the house, besides me. 428 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:38,083 I discovered it was my daughter. 429 00:28:42,587 --> 00:28:44,389 There were things in that diary 430 00:28:44,456 --> 00:28:49,027 that no child should read, even more so my own daughter. 431 00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:54,966 She was scared. She didn't understand. 432 00:28:57,335 --> 00:28:58,403 It changed her. 433 00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:01,773 It changed the way she She thought of me as her mother. 434 00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:08,379 The relationship with my daughter, because of this investigation, 435 00:29:08,947 --> 00:29:11,950 collapsed almost irreparably. 436 00:29:13,952 --> 00:29:19,057 She was very angry and felt as if I had abandoned her. 437 00:29:20,692 --> 00:29:23,128 I needed to stop. 438 00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:29,000 I had to remove myself from this situation 439 00:29:29,801 --> 00:29:32,103 because I needed protect my children. 440 00:29:39,077 --> 00:29:43,481 So, along with the FBI, we have reached an endgame 441 00:29:43,915 --> 00:29:47,252 what we waited for catch Jared in the act. 442 00:29:48,052 --> 00:29:51,689 We would lure Jared to Sarasota, 443 00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:54,526 for a children's party that I was organizing. 444 00:29:58,563 --> 00:30:03,001 In fact, it was a party fake birthday card for my son. 445 00:30:03,067 --> 00:30:04,669 It was a police set-up. 446 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:09,507 The purpose of the frame was not have a birthday party. 447 00:30:10,241 --> 00:30:12,911 If he suspected which was an FBI frame-up, 448 00:30:12,977 --> 00:30:14,617 who knows what he would do with the children? 449 00:30:16,114 --> 00:30:19,083 The objective was to prove that he was willing 450 00:30:19,150 --> 00:30:20,752 crossing state borders 451 00:30:20,818 --> 00:30:24,556 to have sexual relations with a person under 18 years of age. 452 00:30:25,857 --> 00:30:28,226 The journey proves the intention. 453 00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:34,332 But Jared needed to take the bait. 454 00:30:38,203 --> 00:30:41,906 It's my son's birthday. I'm going to throw him a party. 455 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,975 Would you come here? 456 00:30:44,442 --> 00:30:46,144 - Of course. - It'll be great. 457 00:30:47,245 --> 00:30:49,681 Jared was very interested. 458 00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:55,153 He wanted me to invite all my son's friends. 459 00:30:56,087 --> 00:30:58,256 I want to see all the children looking at you, 460 00:30:58,856 --> 00:31:00,758 I want to see them all looking at your body, 461 00:31:01,526 --> 00:31:02,994 looking at her huge breasts, 462 00:31:03,494 --> 00:31:05,096 looking at your ass. 463 00:31:06,531 --> 00:31:09,934 I want to see all of this, and I want to give... 464 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:15,340 I want you to see me having sex with a child. 465 00:31:21,479 --> 00:31:25,950 Jared was very excited and talking about ideas 466 00:31:26,017 --> 00:31:28,319 on how to prepare children. 467 00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:33,191 He was, at that moment, teaching me how to seduce children. 468 00:31:34,692 --> 00:31:36,761 What kind of cute friends Do your children have it? 469 00:31:36,828 --> 00:31:38,496 They have really cute friends. 470 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:42,500 They know everything about sex, That's all they talk about at school. 471 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:46,871 What I need you to do is talk about these things in front of them. 472 00:31:46,938 --> 00:31:50,108 {\an8}You can say: "Tell Jared what do you talk about at school. 473 00:31:50,174 --> 00:31:51,209 {\an8}BOYS 474 00:31:51,276 --> 00:31:54,112 {\an8}I want to try to see the children changing and stuff. 475 00:31:54,178 --> 00:31:55,380 {\an8}You know, we can watch. 476 00:31:55,446 --> 00:31:57,248 {\an8}GIRLS 477 00:31:57,315 --> 00:32:00,151 {\an8}How do I do this? Explain it to me, and I'll take care of it. 478 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,221 I don't know, I'm thinking. 479 00:32:05,723 --> 00:32:09,494 Jared had a strategy very specific 480 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,162 when it came to children. 481 00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:15,366 Who to choose, who was most vulnerable. 482 00:32:16,534 --> 00:32:19,137 Should I look for which personality type? 483 00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:23,675 I think the girl from the broken home could be a possibility. 484 00:32:24,242 --> 00:32:27,712 - But she's seven years old. - Okay, tell me about her. 485 00:32:29,814 --> 00:32:33,017 Jared asked about my children's friends 486 00:32:33,084 --> 00:32:35,620 and their brothers, the ages. 487 00:32:36,254 --> 00:32:38,756 If I had already caught someone looking at me. 488 00:32:38,823 --> 00:32:40,091 What I saw... 489 00:32:42,593 --> 00:32:44,962 During a call, 490 00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:48,166 he said something so shocking, 491 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,570 which deeply disgusted me. 492 00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:56,107 The content is difficult to listen to. 493 00:33:01,212 --> 00:33:03,181 You would do anything What would I ask for? 494 00:33:03,448 --> 00:33:04,982 Yes, of course. 495 00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:07,552 - Do you promise? - I promise. 496 00:33:09,854 --> 00:33:11,723 Will you let me see your children naked? 497 00:33:15,059 --> 00:33:17,428 When Jared mentioned my kids... 498 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:22,800 it was... 499 00:33:25,069 --> 00:33:26,904 like a shot in the heart. 500 00:33:30,742 --> 00:33:32,243 They were in his sights. 501 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:35,146 They were on your mind and your thoughts. 502 00:33:37,382 --> 00:33:39,083 How old are your children? 503 00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:40,952 Ten eleven. 504 00:33:41,285 --> 00:33:42,420 Is it really? 505 00:33:46,424 --> 00:33:49,260 What if we put a camera in their room? Would they accept? 506 00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:52,263 Prefer to put it in the bedroom of your son or daughter? 507 00:33:54,065 --> 00:33:56,167 I don't know, that would be, you know... 508 00:33:57,001 --> 00:33:58,803 Which do you think would be better? 509 00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:02,006 I don't know. 510 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,875 Tell me. 511 00:34:10,214 --> 00:34:11,416 Disgusting. 512 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:14,952 He made me feel... 513 00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:20,691 I hate him so much. 514 00:34:24,595 --> 00:34:27,698 I just wanted to run and never come back. 515 00:34:30,568 --> 00:34:32,670 But I had to hold back. 516 00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:41,612 The frame was supposed to be a way to finally get Jared off the streets. 517 00:34:45,116 --> 00:34:46,851 But at the last minute, 518 00:34:48,386 --> 00:34:49,987 Jared's schedule changed. 519 00:34:50,955 --> 00:34:52,957 So instead of coming in a week, 520 00:34:53,891 --> 00:34:56,727 he would come in two or three days. 521 00:34:59,163 --> 00:35:01,432 I contacted the FBI, 522 00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:04,168 and they couldn't speed up 523 00:35:04,235 --> 00:35:08,473 and prepare everything in 48 to 72 hours. 524 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,609 I begged: “Jared, please come on Friday. 525 00:35:11,676 --> 00:35:13,044 I can only do it that day." 526 00:35:13,478 --> 00:35:16,180 And he just couldn't do it. 527 00:35:18,115 --> 00:35:19,817 The party never happened. 528 00:35:23,488 --> 00:35:26,357 How did you feel at that moment? 529 00:35:26,424 --> 00:35:28,392 I was very frustrated. 530 00:35:28,459 --> 00:35:31,195 That was our chance. 531 00:35:31,262 --> 00:35:34,031 It was almost within our reach and... 532 00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:36,834 then we lost it. 533 00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:40,838 Even though I'm an agent professional infiltrator, 534 00:35:40,905 --> 00:35:43,207 It's disappointing when it doesn't happen. 535 00:35:44,041 --> 00:35:46,611 She dedicated her life to this investigation. 536 00:35:47,545 --> 00:35:50,081 She was affected emotionally 537 00:35:50,147 --> 00:35:52,149 because of the involvement of your children. 538 00:35:52,216 --> 00:35:56,454 So when it didn't happen, It must have been emotionally devastating. 539 00:35:59,223 --> 00:36:02,894 {\an8}The investigation certainly affected her. 540 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,196 {\an8}She became more withdrawn. 541 00:36:05,263 --> 00:36:08,165 And slowly it became a less happy person. 542 00:36:11,402 --> 00:36:15,973 I was worried about my children throughout the investigation. 543 00:36:17,041 --> 00:36:20,044 But now I was... 544 00:36:23,381 --> 00:36:25,082 more than worried. 545 00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:27,919 They were in his sights. 546 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:51,108 {\an8}As time went by, I was terrified of Jared, 547 00:36:51,742 --> 00:36:53,444 {\an8}with what he could do. 548 00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:58,549 Then I thought to myself: 549 00:36:59,216 --> 00:37:00,818 "What would Jared do?" 550 00:37:02,753 --> 00:37:05,122 Jared had money, 551 00:37:06,123 --> 00:37:07,425 status, 552 00:37:08,326 --> 00:37:11,596 powerful people who supported him. 553 00:37:12,697 --> 00:37:13,931 That scared me. 554 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,468 If he found out what was I doing, 555 00:37:17,535 --> 00:37:18,869 what would he do? 556 00:37:23,107 --> 00:37:26,010 When did you start to notice a change at Rochelle? 557 00:37:27,445 --> 00:37:29,981 {\an8}I was on the air, doing my program. 558 00:37:30,047 --> 00:37:31,382 {\an8}ROCHELLE'S FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE 559 00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:34,318 Rochelle showed up one night with an overcoat, 560 00:37:34,385 --> 00:37:36,153 without makeup, with messy hair, 561 00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:39,423 and she was confused and totally different from who he was. 562 00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:41,459 She wasn't the happy Rochelle. 563 00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:45,863 She said: "I'll tell you something, but you can't tell anyone." 564 00:37:46,631 --> 00:37:48,899 And her look was almost one of terror. 565 00:37:49,567 --> 00:37:53,738 "Jared from Subway want to see naked photos of my children, 566 00:37:53,804 --> 00:37:55,773 and if I don't show it, he will kill me." 567 00:37:56,674 --> 00:37:59,710 My first thought was: "She lost a screw." 568 00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:05,282 And that was when she told me: "There are black vans following us." 569 00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:08,719 This is classic in schizophrenia. 570 00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:11,522 “There are vans following me. They're after me." 571 00:38:13,257 --> 00:38:16,627 I thought that was so unlikely, so out of the ordinary, 572 00:38:16,694 --> 00:38:20,131 I thought, "Or she's fucking crazy 573 00:38:20,197 --> 00:38:22,033 or you're telling the truth." 574 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:27,338 One day, I was informed by the FBI 575 00:38:27,405 --> 00:38:30,074 that he was coming to my town, unexpectedly. 576 00:38:31,342 --> 00:38:35,780 I had to leave my workplace because Jared knew where I worked. 577 00:38:36,213 --> 00:38:40,418 I was told that I shouldn't stay at home 578 00:38:40,484 --> 00:38:43,287 because they didn't want any chance 579 00:38:43,354 --> 00:38:46,457 of Jared showing up at my house. 580 00:38:47,892 --> 00:38:49,427 I was very scared. 581 00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:51,128 I had nowhere to go 582 00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:54,265 and needed to take the children go somewhere, leave the house, 583 00:38:55,433 --> 00:38:58,402 and thank God Rich intervened. 584 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:00,805 I'm Dr. Rich Swier, 585 00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:05,242 {\an8}and I met Rochelle because I participated regularly on her radio show 586 00:39:05,309 --> 00:39:07,078 {\an8}and we became friends. 587 00:39:07,144 --> 00:39:09,714 I spent 23 years in the US Army, 588 00:39:09,780 --> 00:39:15,086 I am retired as a lieutenant colonel, and she understood that I had character 589 00:39:15,152 --> 00:39:16,821 and you could trust me. 590 00:39:22,526 --> 00:39:26,063 I didn't know about her relationship with Jared 591 00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:28,632 until she called me to talk. 592 00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:32,636 Then she opened her heart to me 593 00:39:33,404 --> 00:39:34,844 and explained what was happening. 594 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,076 Jared wanted to meet with her and her children. 595 00:39:40,077 --> 00:39:43,380 She was very worried and said: 596 00:39:43,447 --> 00:39:46,550 "I don't want to be home when he goes there." 597 00:39:47,985 --> 00:39:50,321 When she told this, What did you think? 598 00:39:50,387 --> 00:39:51,655 I trusted her. 599 00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:55,659 I knew her. I didn't know Jared, I knew her. 600 00:39:55,726 --> 00:39:59,263 She was someone who was trying to do the right thing, 601 00:40:00,164 --> 00:40:04,602 and prevent that person harm not only her children, 602 00:40:05,636 --> 00:40:08,072 but the children of any someone else in the future. 603 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,244 If she was scared? Of course. I would be if they were my children. 604 00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:16,313 So I did what I could and put her up in a hotel. 605 00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:21,685 He helped finance my stay, 606 00:40:21,752 --> 00:40:23,487 and I am eternally grateful 607 00:40:23,554 --> 00:40:26,056 because that might have saved our lives. 608 00:40:30,661 --> 00:40:33,430 But my life was out of control. 609 00:40:34,365 --> 00:40:36,500 I needed to escape this nightmare. 610 00:40:50,347 --> 00:40:52,616 I tried everything to keep control, 611 00:40:53,184 --> 00:40:54,819 but I couldn't. 612 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:59,089 Emotional turmoil took care of me. 613 00:40:59,557 --> 00:41:01,625 I had crises. 614 00:41:08,232 --> 00:41:11,268 I had no one to talk to. 615 00:41:15,406 --> 00:41:16,507 Sorry. 616 00:41:18,943 --> 00:41:21,378 My life was out of control, 617 00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:26,383 and he was still at large. 618 00:41:30,688 --> 00:41:31,889 Police dogs... 619 00:41:31,956 --> 00:41:34,959 I won't forget the day where Russell was arrested. 620 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,596 It was the day my life turned upside down. 621 00:41:40,197 --> 00:41:43,934 Russell Taylor, former executive director from the Jared Foundation, 622 00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:47,605 he was arrested, accused of possession and production of child pornography. 623 00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:52,042 Russell Taylor is accused to recruit underage girls 624 00:41:52,109 --> 00:41:54,445 without your knowledge to produce pornography. 625 00:41:57,648 --> 00:41:59,984 I was in high school, 626 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:04,555 {\an8}and I saw that I had a missed call from my mother on my cell phone. 627 00:42:04,622 --> 00:42:07,791 It was strange. She didn't used to call me during class. 628 00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:11,161 So I called her. 629 00:42:11,795 --> 00:42:13,998 "Hi, Mom. I didn't see your call." 630 00:42:14,365 --> 00:42:15,866 She said: "I can't talk now." 631 00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:17,268 "Why are you whispering?" 632 00:42:17,334 --> 00:42:18,969 And she: "Russell has been arrested." 633 00:42:19,603 --> 00:42:21,205 "What do you mean 'he was arrested'?" 634 00:42:22,139 --> 00:42:24,642 She said: "I can't talk about it now. 635 00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:26,343 Look online." 636 00:42:26,911 --> 00:42:29,280 I searched for "Russell Taylor, Indianapolis." 637 00:42:30,948 --> 00:42:33,550 And the first thing that appeared 638 00:42:34,051 --> 00:42:38,989 was "Russell Taylor, pedophilia, child pornography." 639 00:42:40,991 --> 00:42:43,527 They talked about possession of child pornography. 640 00:42:43,594 --> 00:42:45,996 I didn't know what that meant. 641 00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:48,232 So I thought, "Okay. 642 00:42:48,632 --> 00:42:52,503 He must have some kind photo, video or something 643 00:42:52,569 --> 00:42:56,273 of a child he shouldn't have." 644 00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:58,776 But it was even worse. 645 00:43:00,911 --> 00:43:02,780 A search of Taylor's house in April 646 00:43:02,846 --> 00:43:06,817 {\an8}revealed more than 500 images explicit from children. 647 00:43:10,087 --> 00:43:12,089 {\an8}That's when we realized 648 00:43:12,156 --> 00:43:15,759 {\an8}that people who are closest to us 649 00:43:15,826 --> 00:43:17,361 {\an8}are actually the most dangerous. 650 00:43:18,996 --> 00:43:20,998 {\an8}Because what we discovered 651 00:43:23,667 --> 00:43:25,102 {\an8}it was a real nightmare.