1 00:00:35,862 --> 00:00:37,585 Hi, I'm Jared, The Subway Guy, 2 00:00:37,586 --> 00:00:38,862 and this is my story. 3 00:00:39,413 --> 00:00:40,757 Please welcome Jared 4 00:00:40,758 --> 00:00:44,274 who-lost-245-pounds-eating- Subway-sandwiches Fogle. 5 00:00:44,275 --> 00:00:46,000 Remember Jared from Subway? 6 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,585 He's inspired a lot of people. 7 00:00:49,586 --> 00:00:52,378 Give it up for Jared from Subway. 8 00:00:54,448 --> 00:00:59,136 When we met him, I had this image in my head of who he was. 9 00:00:59,137 --> 00:01:01,964 He, like, helps children all around the world and... 10 00:01:01,965 --> 00:01:03,619 He is someone you could look up to. 11 00:01:03,620 --> 00:01:07,137 You've obviously been an inspiration to many people and to these kiddos. 12 00:01:09,689 --> 00:01:15,172 All of those things are the complete opposite of who he truly is, 13 00:01:15,931 --> 00:01:19,309 and that is a monster. 14 00:01:19,310 --> 00:01:21,862 We were two of Jared Fogel's 14 victims. 15 00:01:25,241 --> 00:01:28,724 The story you are about to hear sounds crazy. 16 00:01:29,793 --> 00:01:32,517 But I can promise you, it is all true. 17 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:39,619 As a journalist, I came to know Jared Fogle better than anyone. 18 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:44,447 Jared used his position as a celebrity to gain the trust of children. 19 00:01:44,448 --> 00:01:46,792 And these kids know me as Jared, The Subway Guy. 20 00:01:46,793 --> 00:01:48,964 I already had their attention. 21 00:01:48,965 --> 00:01:52,172 I was sure that he was an active pedophile. 22 00:01:53,068 --> 00:01:55,481 And the public were at risk. 23 00:01:55,482 --> 00:02:00,172 And that's when I became an undercover asset for the FBI. 24 00:02:09,034 --> 00:02:12,793 Conversations with Jared just got darker and darker. 25 00:02:20,241 --> 00:02:24,654 He made me feel so much hatred towards him. 26 00:02:24,655 --> 00:02:27,861 I couldn't even believe what was happening to me. 27 00:02:27,862 --> 00:02:30,067 We were being watched 24/7. 28 00:02:30,068 --> 00:02:35,343 I just knew things were just going to keep getting worse and worse. 29 00:02:35,344 --> 00:02:37,378 There wasn't much I could do about that. 30 00:02:37,379 --> 00:02:38,551 I was a child. 31 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,620 Fear is what kept us quiet for so long. 32 00:02:48,896 --> 00:02:53,205 Rochelle said, "Jared from Subway wants to see pictures 33 00:02:53,206 --> 00:02:56,585 of my kids naked, and if I don't, he's going to kill me." 34 00:02:56,586 --> 00:02:58,862 I let this monster into our lives. 35 00:03:00,689 --> 00:03:01,896 I was terrified. 36 00:03:02,655 --> 00:03:05,137 But he needed to be stopped. 37 00:03:33,103 --> 00:03:35,654 I went to middle school, high school, 38 00:03:35,655 --> 00:03:40,964 and I also went to two years of college with Jared when he was young. 39 00:03:40,965 --> 00:03:45,965 Jared Fogle was shy, very nerdy, smart, and a bit of a loner, 40 00:03:47,241 --> 00:03:49,000 probably because he was an outcast. 41 00:03:52,517 --> 00:03:56,550 He started gaining weight really young, sixth, seventh and eighth grade. 42 00:03:56,551 --> 00:04:00,240 Jared was probably the heaviest person in middle school, 43 00:04:00,241 --> 00:04:05,689 and that includes adults too and I think it was probably between 250 and 300 pounds. 44 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:09,930 I just remember that by the time we got to high school, 45 00:04:09,931 --> 00:04:11,275 he was morbidly obese. 46 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:14,378 For Jared to have that much weight on him, 47 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:17,655 it's like he had a target on his back. 48 00:04:20,689 --> 00:04:21,826 For lack of better words, 49 00:04:21,827 --> 00:04:23,481 you couldn't miss him, 50 00:04:23,482 --> 00:04:26,274 you know. I don't know. 51 00:04:26,275 --> 00:04:28,205 I don't want to get myself in trouble, 52 00:04:28,206 --> 00:04:29,757 but, you know. 53 00:04:29,758 --> 00:04:32,000 But, yeah, I was... It was hard... hard to miss. 54 00:04:33,034 --> 00:04:35,586 And you could tell that he knew. 55 00:04:37,482 --> 00:04:40,413 I'd be willing to bet that he went home crying a lot. 56 00:04:41,724 --> 00:04:45,033 It's almost like his childhood was stolen from him because 57 00:04:45,034 --> 00:04:46,792 every day was kind of a battle. 58 00:04:46,793 --> 00:04:49,102 Where is he going to sit for lunch? 59 00:04:49,103 --> 00:04:51,703 Would you have sat next to Jared in the dining hall? 60 00:04:51,827 --> 00:04:53,723 No. 61 00:04:53,724 --> 00:04:55,758 No, that would have been social suicide. 62 00:04:57,206 --> 00:04:58,793 I never saw him with anybody. 63 00:05:02,551 --> 00:05:07,034 I can only imagine how lonely it was for Jared and just scary. 64 00:05:08,758 --> 00:05:11,171 I think every doctor would agree that a lot of your 65 00:05:11,172 --> 00:05:13,895 early years mold you into who you are. 66 00:05:13,896 --> 00:05:15,930 If you have a lot of insecurities 67 00:05:15,931 --> 00:05:18,379 and a lot of people are ripping on those 68 00:05:19,241 --> 00:05:21,412 all the time when you're a child, 69 00:05:21,413 --> 00:05:27,136 I mean, that's got to mess with you in all kinds of different ways. 70 00:05:27,137 --> 00:05:31,412 I think the weight was a symptom of him checking out of life. 71 00:05:31,413 --> 00:05:33,619 He kept just finding friendship in food. 72 00:05:33,620 --> 00:05:35,619 He references that in the book and everything. 73 00:05:35,620 --> 00:05:38,688 "I overate to compensate for my social awkwardness. 74 00:05:38,689 --> 00:05:41,930 I overate because I just plain love the taste of food. 75 00:05:41,931 --> 00:05:45,136 But as I grew fatter and fatter, I felt more isolated. 76 00:05:45,137 --> 00:05:47,999 Eventually, I felt that I didn't have any real friends 77 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,310 in the world except for one, food." 78 00:05:52,379 --> 00:05:56,930 He just let it take hold of him and he was going to die 79 00:05:56,931 --> 00:05:59,206 young if he didn't get that weight off. 80 00:06:11,206 --> 00:06:15,274 In 1999, I was in a Nutrition class sitting next to a guy 81 00:06:15,275 --> 00:06:18,033 that I went to high school with. The instructor ended up 82 00:06:18,034 --> 00:06:20,274 passing around the Indiana Daily student. 83 00:06:20,275 --> 00:06:22,516 And when it got to the high school friend 84 00:06:22,517 --> 00:06:25,378 that I was sitting with, he looks at it and he hits me 85 00:06:25,379 --> 00:06:28,723 on the shoulder and says, "Katie, oh my gosh, it's Jared Fogle. 86 00:06:28,724 --> 00:06:30,102 Look at this." 87 00:06:30,103 --> 00:06:36,413 And we could not believe it because Jared was thin. 88 00:06:38,896 --> 00:06:40,240 With the weight loss and everything, 89 00:06:40,241 --> 00:06:42,413 Jared became a local celebrity on campus. 90 00:06:43,034 --> 00:06:44,241 It was crazy. 91 00:06:46,862 --> 00:06:51,067 I don't think I'd ever read a story like the Jared Fogle story. 92 00:06:51,068 --> 00:06:54,205 Ryan Coleman's article, the Indiana Daily Student, 93 00:06:54,206 --> 00:06:56,033 was called "From Thick to Thin." 94 00:06:56,034 --> 00:06:58,793 So that right there was an attention-getter. 95 00:07:00,793 --> 00:07:07,343 To think that he lost 245 pounds in less than a year, um, 96 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:08,792 is astonishing, really. 97 00:07:08,793 --> 00:07:12,896 And he did it with the strangest darn diet you've ever thought of. 98 00:07:14,862 --> 00:07:19,654 The way Jared lost his weight was the compelling factor. 99 00:07:19,655 --> 00:07:25,343 He lost weight eating subway sandwiches every day. 100 00:07:25,344 --> 00:07:30,343 I believe Jared's formula was a small turkey sub in the afternoon 101 00:07:30,344 --> 00:07:32,551 and then a veggie delight for the evening. 102 00:07:34,724 --> 00:07:38,412 Then I got word, a film crew from Subway was going 103 00:07:38,413 --> 00:07:41,550 to come testing for a commercial. 104 00:07:41,551 --> 00:07:45,241 So being a journalist, I just thought I got to do this story. 105 00:07:46,862 --> 00:07:53,861 I first interviewed him at his apartment and he was a little nervous, 106 00:07:53,862 --> 00:07:56,724 but he just seemed like a decent fellow. 107 00:07:58,586 --> 00:08:02,793 He was raised by a classic, typical family that had values. 108 00:08:04,068 --> 00:08:06,585 Younger brother, younger sister. 109 00:08:06,586 --> 00:08:08,205 His mother was a teacher. 110 00:08:08,206 --> 00:08:10,067 His father was a doctor. 111 00:08:10,068 --> 00:08:12,448 He had a good upbringing, as far as I can tell. 112 00:08:15,862 --> 00:08:18,655 But Jared just basically talked about how... 113 00:08:20,517 --> 00:08:22,895 how depressing his life had been, really. 114 00:08:22,896 --> 00:08:25,757 The more weight he gained, the more awkward he felt 115 00:08:25,758 --> 00:08:27,999 and the more reclusive he became. 116 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,136 So I think Jared was very appreciative 117 00:08:31,137 --> 00:08:33,724 of what the Subway diet did for him. 118 00:08:35,137 --> 00:08:36,930 He wasn't this outcast anymore. 119 00:08:36,931 --> 00:08:39,000 He wasn't 'The Elephant Man.' 120 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:44,447 And he went on to get a girlfriend 121 00:08:44,448 --> 00:08:46,517 and he never envisioned that. 122 00:08:47,655 --> 00:08:50,412 I was happy for him to see that he had a girlfriend 123 00:08:50,413 --> 00:08:52,067 and then to see that he was getting married. 124 00:08:52,068 --> 00:08:55,482 And I thought, you know, he'd turned everything around. 125 00:08:58,275 --> 00:08:59,999 Here is Jared Fogle. 126 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,688 You may have seen him on the news or a talk show. 127 00:09:02,689 --> 00:09:06,171 He was inspired by Subway's great-tasting sandwiches. 128 00:09:06,172 --> 00:09:09,586 Jared believes in an active lifestyle, including lots of walking. 129 00:09:10,241 --> 00:09:11,550 - Hey, Jared. - Hey, guys. 130 00:09:11,551 --> 00:09:14,343 I remember it was pretty stiff, but I think 131 00:09:14,344 --> 00:09:17,274 he was endearing just because he wasn't polished. 132 00:09:17,275 --> 00:09:19,447 And you can tell that he wasn't an actor. 133 00:09:19,448 --> 00:09:20,758 Food for thought. 134 00:09:22,241 --> 00:09:25,688 When I first saw a commercial for Subway, it was Jared Fogle on there. 135 00:09:25,689 --> 00:09:27,826 I could not believe it. 136 00:09:27,827 --> 00:09:32,861 To have a national Subway commercial 137 00:09:32,862 --> 00:09:35,688 and you are the main person in it, 138 00:09:35,689 --> 00:09:39,757 and then they're doing their branding around you, Jared Fogle, 139 00:09:39,758 --> 00:09:43,757 like, nobody could have ever predicted this in a million years. 140 00:09:43,758 --> 00:09:46,171 He's on the road 200 days a year, 141 00:09:46,172 --> 00:09:48,861 sharing his weight loss story for Subway. 142 00:09:48,862 --> 00:09:50,792 He quickly became an inspiration 143 00:09:50,793 --> 00:09:54,240 and a successful pitchman for the company. 144 00:09:54,241 --> 00:09:58,447 A regular guy who was morbidly obese is suddenly going 145 00:09:58,448 --> 00:10:01,999 to be the spokesperson for a fast food chain. 146 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,274 I don't think he knew what he was in for at all. 147 00:10:06,275 --> 00:10:09,792 I'm here with Jared Fogle, who we all know as The Subway Guy. 148 00:10:09,793 --> 00:10:11,792 None other than Jared, The Subway Guy. 149 00:10:11,793 --> 00:10:13,895 Jared, The Subway Guy. 150 00:10:13,896 --> 00:10:16,757 We're now joined in Indianapolis by Jared Fogle. 151 00:10:16,758 --> 00:10:18,067 What do you do for a living? 152 00:10:18,068 --> 00:10:20,964 Pretty much now I go all over the world with Subway. 153 00:10:20,965 --> 00:10:23,240 He got so, so famous. 154 00:10:23,241 --> 00:10:24,343 It was like Madonna. 155 00:10:24,344 --> 00:10:26,481 Everybody knew Jared, The Subway Guy. 156 00:10:26,482 --> 00:10:27,550 I couldn't believe it. 157 00:10:27,551 --> 00:10:29,999 He just absolutely blew up. 158 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,136 I think people resonated with Jared and loved him so much and he just rose 159 00:10:34,137 --> 00:10:38,930 so high because he was the ultimate underdog in life. 160 00:10:38,931 --> 00:10:40,274 Sir, I'd love to have your autograph. 161 00:10:40,275 --> 00:10:42,033 Very good. 162 00:10:42,034 --> 00:10:43,447 - Famous Jared. - How are you doing? 163 00:10:43,448 --> 00:10:45,585 I never expected to be well known. 164 00:10:45,586 --> 00:10:47,033 Dude, look a that commercial with the guy 165 00:10:47,034 --> 00:10:48,826 that lost 400 pounds eating at Subway sandwiches. 166 00:10:48,827 --> 00:10:52,343 It's like I'm almost like in a fairy tale, like in a La La Land. 167 00:10:52,344 --> 00:10:55,171 When you see somebody really just take hold of their life 168 00:10:55,172 --> 00:10:59,136 and just turn it like right to hell around, it is really inspiring. 169 00:10:59,137 --> 00:11:00,930 Thanks for being the real deal... 170 00:11:00,931 --> 00:11:02,241 You're welcome, whoever you are. 171 00:11:05,068 --> 00:11:06,619 My name is Max Winitz. 172 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:12,447 I was a reporter and anchor with ABC7 in Sarasota, Florida. 173 00:11:12,448 --> 00:11:15,033 Jared Fogle, aka The Subway Guy, 174 00:11:15,034 --> 00:11:17,102 is no stranger to the Suncoast. 175 00:11:17,103 --> 00:11:19,723 Here he is visiting Lakewood Ranch Medical Center, 176 00:11:19,724 --> 00:11:23,723 followed by a stop at the restaurant that made him famous. 177 00:11:23,724 --> 00:11:29,688 So in the mid-2000s, Jared would often visit Florida's Suncoast. 178 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:32,412 Specifically the Sarasota area. 179 00:11:32,413 --> 00:11:35,412 Jared Fogle has made school visits just like this to talk 180 00:11:35,413 --> 00:11:39,137 to kids about his story and why a healthy lifestyle is so important. 181 00:11:40,413 --> 00:11:45,274 And on one of those days, he sat down for the first time 182 00:11:45,275 --> 00:11:49,379 with Rochelle Herman, a local radio host. 183 00:11:53,310 --> 00:11:56,862 I came to know Jared Fogle better than anyone. 184 00:11:59,344 --> 00:12:05,448 What I found out about him and who he really was made me feel 185 00:12:06,931 --> 00:12:09,000 so much hatred towards him. 186 00:12:11,034 --> 00:12:16,033 Some of the darkest memories that I have is I can't stop going 187 00:12:16,034 --> 00:12:19,724 back to, um, what he put these kids through. 188 00:12:26,724 --> 00:12:29,205 Will take me for the rest of my life to process it. 189 00:12:29,206 --> 00:12:30,586 Um... 190 00:12:41,137 --> 00:12:42,310 I'm sorry. 191 00:13:02,551 --> 00:13:04,274 My life before Jared, 192 00:13:04,275 --> 00:13:05,413 it wasn't perfect. 193 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,793 I met my husband, Tom, in 1996. 194 00:13:15,206 --> 00:13:18,172 After a few short months, Tom and I got married. 195 00:13:20,551 --> 00:13:21,862 We had a great start. 196 00:13:23,379 --> 00:13:26,620 My son, Thomas, was born in 1997. 197 00:13:27,793 --> 00:13:32,274 And my daughter, Angela, was born in 1998. 198 00:13:32,275 --> 00:13:34,999 They were very close, 16 months apart. 199 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,034 We just had a wonderful family. 200 00:13:39,034 --> 00:13:43,481 But things just piled on as they do. 201 00:13:43,482 --> 00:13:45,103 There was a lot of arguing. 202 00:13:48,379 --> 00:13:53,034 And then after ten years, Tom and I went our separate ways. 203 00:13:57,034 --> 00:14:03,895 After the divorce, I was starting on a new path as a single mom. 204 00:14:03,896 --> 00:14:10,481 I really started building my career broadcasting as a radio talk show host 205 00:14:10,482 --> 00:14:13,137 and as a TV show personality. 206 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,800 She became like a huge regional star. 207 00:14:18,379 --> 00:14:21,378 As a kid, I definitely thought my mom was really cool because 208 00:14:21,379 --> 00:14:23,309 we would always be going out and doing things 209 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:25,550 for the radio and TV shows she had. 210 00:14:25,551 --> 00:14:28,378 I definitely looked up to my mother, like, quite a bit. 211 00:14:28,379 --> 00:14:30,965 My first impression of Rochelle... 212 00:14:32,827 --> 00:14:34,067 She was a beautiful woman. 213 00:14:34,068 --> 00:14:37,137 I mean, blond... blond hair who's not a sucker for blonds. 214 00:14:38,689 --> 00:14:40,206 To know her as a lover, 215 00:14:41,551 --> 00:14:43,275 she's the sweetest person in the world. 216 00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:45,723 She has a big heart. 217 00:14:45,724 --> 00:14:47,964 There's this thing called the turkey trolley that she would do 218 00:14:47,965 --> 00:14:50,723 every Christmas and, like, deliver meals to people 219 00:14:50,724 --> 00:14:53,102 who don't have any family members and stuff. 220 00:14:53,103 --> 00:14:57,310 She's just a very caring person and wants to help people. 221 00:14:59,689 --> 00:15:00,930 Morning, everyone. 222 00:15:00,931 --> 00:15:04,585 Thanks for joining us here for Health Beat of America. 223 00:15:04,586 --> 00:15:10,171 The purpose of my radio show was to educate the public. 224 00:15:10,172 --> 00:15:14,310 One of the more common subjects was obesity in America. 225 00:15:16,965 --> 00:15:22,757 In the fall of 2006, I was contacted by the American Heart Association 226 00:15:22,758 --> 00:15:28,757 asking me to interview Jared Fogle, spokesperson of Subway, on the program. 227 00:15:28,758 --> 00:15:32,723 It was a no-brainer, really, because he was so popular. 228 00:15:32,724 --> 00:15:34,136 Hey, Jared, what's cooking? 229 00:15:35,827 --> 00:15:38,379 He was somebody that America rallied behind. 230 00:15:39,344 --> 00:15:41,378 Congratulations, Jared. 231 00:15:41,379 --> 00:15:42,999 We love you, Jared. 232 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,067 Subway certainly recognized it. 233 00:15:45,068 --> 00:15:48,102 I mean, they... they marketed the hell out of this guy. 234 00:15:48,103 --> 00:15:52,895 A college junior named Jared Fogle weighed 425 pounds, 235 00:15:52,896 --> 00:15:57,205 decided to make a change in his life, walked into a nearby Subway 236 00:15:57,206 --> 00:15:59,343 and created his own unique diet. 237 00:15:59,344 --> 00:16:04,206 It's a success story, and Americans love success stories. 238 00:16:06,551 --> 00:16:10,688 The kids, when they would see him, they were screaming. 239 00:16:10,689 --> 00:16:12,343 It was like people seeing Michael Jackson. 240 00:16:12,344 --> 00:16:13,689 That's really the way it was. 241 00:16:15,413 --> 00:16:16,895 Thanks for joining us. I'm... 242 00:16:16,896 --> 00:16:20,240 The morning of the broadcast that I had scheduled Jared 243 00:16:20,241 --> 00:16:23,930 to be on was for radio, and following that, 244 00:16:23,931 --> 00:16:26,240 there was a television version. 245 00:16:26,241 --> 00:16:29,757 I was excited he was coming on the air, 246 00:16:29,758 --> 00:16:34,379 but he was about 30 to 40 minutes late for his interview. 247 00:16:35,172 --> 00:16:37,309 When Jared came in the studio, 248 00:16:37,310 --> 00:16:39,999 we quickly went to commercial break. 249 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,999 He was very nice. 250 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,378 He was very cordial, and personable, but he had ego. 251 00:16:47,379 --> 00:16:51,620 That, I believe is because of his fast flight to stardom. 252 00:16:52,965 --> 00:16:54,516 He was a good interviewee. 253 00:16:54,517 --> 00:16:56,309 What was the turning point in your life? 254 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:57,826 You said you were 20 years old. 255 00:16:57,827 --> 00:16:59,585 Why not earlier on? 256 00:16:59,586 --> 00:17:01,757 I had to finally accept I had a problem, number one, 257 00:17:01,758 --> 00:17:03,481 I had to finally, um, 258 00:17:03,482 --> 00:17:06,102 go through several failed attempts of losing weight and, 259 00:17:06,103 --> 00:17:08,171 you know, get to that point where I was just ready 260 00:17:08,172 --> 00:17:09,550 to do what I had to do. 261 00:17:09,551 --> 00:17:11,930 Now, what has been the highest point in your life here? 262 00:17:11,931 --> 00:17:13,585 Is it about motivating others? 263 00:17:13,586 --> 00:17:14,999 I think it is. 264 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,136 And I think especially kids more than anything. Trying to say, 265 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:19,654 "Hey, I expect you guys to take that self-responsibility 266 00:17:19,655 --> 00:17:23,378 at a much younger age so you don't have to have the health issues that I had." 267 00:17:23,379 --> 00:17:25,619 Jared spoke about childhood obesity. 268 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:29,102 He spoke about building self-esteem. 269 00:17:29,103 --> 00:17:33,481 It was always about his passion for helping the children. 270 00:17:33,482 --> 00:17:35,723 I never thought in a million years I'd ever be in a position 271 00:17:35,724 --> 00:17:38,447 to motivate or influence somebody else, let alone in a positive way. 272 00:17:38,448 --> 00:17:40,792 So this hopefully, the story can... 273 00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:44,275 can... really people see, "If that Jared guy can do it, you know, I can do it too." 274 00:17:46,241 --> 00:17:50,550 After we finished with the segment, Jared was very flirtatious. 275 00:17:50,551 --> 00:17:52,999 He told me how pretty I was. 276 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,205 I was flattered that he was interested in me, 277 00:17:57,206 --> 00:18:01,964 whether it was sincere or just the way that he was. 278 00:18:01,965 --> 00:18:04,723 I wasn't sure. 279 00:18:04,724 --> 00:18:08,619 So following the interview, I expressed to him how excited 280 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:13,724 my daughter Angela was and that she wanted to meet him. 281 00:18:15,551 --> 00:18:18,136 He came and met us and we took photos. 282 00:18:18,137 --> 00:18:24,068 Jared is standing there and then he has my daughter, I believe, to his left. 283 00:18:33,137 --> 00:18:35,862 Looking at it brings back horrible memories. 284 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:41,310 It's like putting your children in the mouth of a shark. 285 00:18:49,344 --> 00:18:52,619 The filming of the television program I was to do with Jared 286 00:18:52,620 --> 00:18:56,034 was held at the middle school here in Sarasota. 287 00:18:56,931 --> 00:18:59,240 So Jared and I went on stage. 288 00:18:59,241 --> 00:19:02,343 Nobody was in the auditorium except for my cameraman. 289 00:19:02,344 --> 00:19:09,172 He went on his way to position his camera, and we sat down on the couch. 290 00:19:18,034 --> 00:19:22,171 Jared started talking to me, telling me how pretty I was, 291 00:19:22,172 --> 00:19:25,654 asking me if he could hold my hand. 292 00:19:25,655 --> 00:19:30,412 I believe Jared had been going through a divorce. 293 00:19:30,413 --> 00:19:33,274 It was obvious he was very interested in me. 294 00:19:33,275 --> 00:19:34,792 That made me uncomfortable. 295 00:19:34,793 --> 00:19:36,102 But I didn't say anything. 296 00:19:36,103 --> 00:19:37,482 I just blew it off. 297 00:19:39,689 --> 00:19:42,964 Just before the camera started rolling, 298 00:19:42,965 --> 00:19:48,241 he slowly leans over and whispers in my ear... 299 00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:52,240 something so horrific. 300 00:19:52,241 --> 00:19:54,482 It changed my life forever. 301 00:20:08,379 --> 00:20:10,481 Jared leaned over, 302 00:20:10,482 --> 00:20:14,516 just out of the blue, and tells me how hot 303 00:20:14,517 --> 00:20:16,586 he thought middle school girls were. 304 00:20:17,827 --> 00:20:19,378 I just shut down. 305 00:20:19,379 --> 00:20:21,137 It was such a shock to me. 306 00:20:23,586 --> 00:20:27,620 Did I really just hear what he just said to me? 307 00:20:32,137 --> 00:20:35,343 And at that point, a teacher came in and brought 308 00:20:35,344 --> 00:20:39,172 a couple of students and, um, to speak with Jared. 309 00:20:40,551 --> 00:20:43,378 How did you make it through that interview? 310 00:20:43,379 --> 00:20:49,516 I was struggling, to be frank with you, because my mind kept 311 00:20:49,517 --> 00:20:52,378 deferring back to what he said to me. 312 00:20:52,379 --> 00:20:54,931 I just wanted to get it over with. 313 00:21:06,551 --> 00:21:13,274 So I was lying in bed following my day of events with Jared 314 00:21:13,275 --> 00:21:15,206 and my mind is racing. 315 00:21:16,517 --> 00:21:18,551 What was Jared Fogle? 316 00:21:19,068 --> 00:21:20,171 Who was he? 317 00:21:20,172 --> 00:21:22,586 It's not who he portrays himself to be. 318 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:25,136 I was thinking about the children 319 00:21:25,137 --> 00:21:27,241 of all the schools that he was going to. 320 00:21:29,206 --> 00:21:31,448 He could be a danger to our children. 321 00:21:32,793 --> 00:21:34,724 It was just so alarming. 322 00:21:36,931 --> 00:21:41,723 On the outside, he seemed friendly, caring, compassionate, 323 00:21:41,724 --> 00:21:45,344 well-liked, somebody that people looked up to. 324 00:21:46,344 --> 00:21:48,034 But was it been all a lie? 325 00:21:49,586 --> 00:21:52,067 I didn't know what I was going to do. 326 00:21:52,068 --> 00:21:54,102 I didn't know where it would lead me. 327 00:21:54,103 --> 00:21:57,205 But I just wanted to find out the truth. 328 00:21:57,206 --> 00:22:02,102 Please welcome Jared who-lost-245-pounds-eating- Subway-sandwiches Fogle. 329 00:22:04,344 --> 00:22:05,620 Amazing. 330 00:22:09,931 --> 00:22:12,964 My husband and I, we were sitting and watching TV 331 00:22:12,965 --> 00:22:14,895 and we were watching Oprah Winfrey. 332 00:22:14,896 --> 00:22:19,793 And I saw Jared on... on Oprah Winfrey telling his story. 333 00:22:21,379 --> 00:22:23,688 It was a, it was a diet that I sort of invented. 334 00:22:23,689 --> 00:22:26,102 I lived next to a Subway sandwich shop in Bloomington, Indiana. 335 00:22:26,103 --> 00:22:27,792 I saw his before and after pictures 336 00:22:27,793 --> 00:22:29,516 and I was amazed. 337 00:22:29,517 --> 00:22:34,481 I had a voila moment and I said, "Oh, my gosh, this is what I need to do." 338 00:22:34,482 --> 00:22:39,586 And that day I picked up my first Subway sandwich, and the rest is history. 339 00:22:40,931 --> 00:22:45,137 After six months, I had lost 55 pounds. 340 00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:49,447 I always said that Jared was my hero at that time. 341 00:22:49,448 --> 00:22:51,275 He was the inspiration for me to do that. 342 00:22:52,793 --> 00:22:53,931 He changed my life. 343 00:22:55,896 --> 00:23:00,620 I became somewhat of a... a local star. 344 00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:07,619 And then a few weeks later, I got a call from the Subway Corporation 345 00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:10,205 and they said, "Well, we'd like to fly you to California 346 00:23:10,206 --> 00:23:12,930 and make a commercial with Jared Fogle, it's going 347 00:23:12,931 --> 00:23:14,482 to be called "Friends of Jared." 348 00:23:15,931 --> 00:23:17,310 So I landed in L.A. 349 00:23:18,896 --> 00:23:20,654 There were five of us total, 350 00:23:20,655 --> 00:23:25,585 the first commercial. My first impression to Jared was just 351 00:23:25,586 --> 00:23:28,102 kind of down to earth, very easygoing. 352 00:23:28,103 --> 00:23:29,516 He got along with everybody 353 00:23:29,517 --> 00:23:32,000 and he was really helpful to all of us. 354 00:23:33,068 --> 00:23:34,516 He says, "Your life after these 355 00:23:34,517 --> 00:23:35,964 commercials is going to change." 356 00:23:35,965 --> 00:23:37,412 He says, "Just be ready for it." 357 00:23:37,413 --> 00:23:38,689 And it did. 358 00:23:39,931 --> 00:23:42,378 You remember Jared from Subway? 359 00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:45,171 Turns out, he's inspired a lot of people... 360 00:23:55,448 --> 00:23:59,274 My whole life changed for about a year. 361 00:23:59,275 --> 00:24:03,205 Everywhere I went, people were honking at me and waving. 362 00:24:03,206 --> 00:24:05,136 You know, being thrown in the limelight, 363 00:24:05,137 --> 00:24:06,896 it's... it's pretty overwhelming. 364 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:14,412 I can't imagine what I dealt with for a year 365 00:24:14,413 --> 00:24:18,481 that Jared went through for 15 years. 366 00:24:18,482 --> 00:24:24,448 But one of the things that impressed me about him was that he was very humble. 367 00:24:26,068 --> 00:24:30,309 He just wanted to help other children to lose weight. 368 00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:32,790 I thought, what a great thing to do with your fame and fortune. 369 00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:37,723 As I look back, I did not see a dark side in him. 370 00:24:37,724 --> 00:24:40,827 I only saw the good side of him. 371 00:24:45,896 --> 00:24:49,343 To prove Jared was up to no good 372 00:24:49,344 --> 00:24:52,171 and was a danger to our children... 373 00:24:52,172 --> 00:24:53,619 They don't make the sandwiches. 374 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:55,619 I needed to have evidence... 375 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:57,102 Subway. 376 00:24:57,103 --> 00:24:59,620 And that's what I sought out to acquire. 377 00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:07,688 You are a radio talk show host, 378 00:25:07,689 --> 00:25:09,241 you're a reporter. 379 00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:14,757 This could potentially be an amazing and revealing story. 380 00:25:14,758 --> 00:25:16,136 Mm-hmm. 381 00:25:16,137 --> 00:25:18,577 To what extent did that play into your molestation? 382 00:25:19,689 --> 00:25:24,930 I initially thought, "Wow, what a story." 383 00:25:24,931 --> 00:25:27,619 I mean, that's my profession. 384 00:25:27,620 --> 00:25:32,448 But my impulse was to act because 385 00:25:33,344 --> 00:25:36,516 this was horrible what he said. 386 00:25:36,517 --> 00:25:41,033 Not only the fact that I was a mother and had children of my own. 387 00:25:41,034 --> 00:25:47,033 This is just I think any individual would think that there needs 388 00:25:47,034 --> 00:25:49,930 to be a further look into Jared Fogle. 389 00:25:49,931 --> 00:25:51,611 Why didn't you go to the police? 390 00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:55,034 I didn't have any tangible evidence. 391 00:25:56,793 --> 00:26:01,379 He could easily discount it and say I misheard. 392 00:26:04,172 --> 00:26:07,344 Because of his status as a celebrity, 393 00:26:08,206 --> 00:26:09,379 who would believe me? 394 00:26:12,965 --> 00:26:15,724 So I started my own research. 395 00:26:19,068 --> 00:26:22,999 I was searching to see if he was ever arrested for anything, 396 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,585 charged with anything, trying to find anyone who knew him 397 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:30,619 or knew of him, had interviewed him prior, 398 00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:34,895 not wanting to give away what it was 399 00:26:34,896 --> 00:26:38,550 that I was really investigating, 400 00:26:38,551 --> 00:26:43,068 but there was nothing I could never find anything of a deviant nature. 401 00:26:48,724 --> 00:26:52,585 At this point, I had my suspicions as anyone might 402 00:26:52,586 --> 00:26:58,379 when they're told... made... someone makes a statement such as what Jared did. 403 00:26:59,379 --> 00:27:01,275 But I didn't have proof. 404 00:27:02,965 --> 00:27:08,447 So I knew I needed to get Jared on tape in his own words, 405 00:27:08,448 --> 00:27:14,757 his own voice expressing his desires, his confessions, 406 00:27:14,758 --> 00:27:18,240 and especially even his plans for children. 407 00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:21,412 It wasn't the most thought-out plan, 408 00:27:21,413 --> 00:27:24,689 but once the evidence was acquired. 409 00:27:26,448 --> 00:27:30,343 I could hand over to the authorities. 410 00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:33,931 But that's when the story becomes kind of crazy. 411 00:27:53,241 --> 00:27:56,102 It was about six months after the first interview 412 00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:58,792 that the American Heart Association arranged 413 00:27:58,793 --> 00:28:02,655 a second interview on my programs with Jared. 414 00:28:05,241 --> 00:28:11,103 And during a conversation I had surrounding his interview off the air, 415 00:28:12,241 --> 00:28:17,412 I was able to obtain Jared's cell phone number. 416 00:28:17,413 --> 00:28:23,067 That cell phone number was my connection to be able to talk with him 417 00:28:23,068 --> 00:28:25,447 and see what else he had to say, 418 00:28:25,448 --> 00:28:29,689 see what other deviant things he might want to share. 419 00:28:32,034 --> 00:28:34,206 And so that's why I started recording him. 420 00:28:40,655 --> 00:28:42,205 Hello? 421 00:28:42,206 --> 00:28:44,240 Hey, there. 422 00:28:44,241 --> 00:28:47,895 We had just a few conversations early on. 423 00:28:47,896 --> 00:28:49,757 I was very nervous. 424 00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:03,033 Tomorrow will be... 425 00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:07,861 Jared was very cautious with what he would tell me 426 00:29:07,862 --> 00:29:12,447 initially, so I had to take baby steps asking questions 427 00:29:12,448 --> 00:29:16,861 not to frighten him away, but just to plant a seed. 428 00:29:16,862 --> 00:29:18,826 "Oh, she's interested." 429 00:29:18,827 --> 00:29:23,447 Um, you know, and just until he felt more comfortable with me 430 00:29:23,448 --> 00:29:25,310 would he share more information. 431 00:29:39,448 --> 00:29:40,826 I gave the appearance 432 00:29:40,827 --> 00:29:43,827 that I was somebody he could confide in. 433 00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:51,930 Throughout the phone calls, 434 00:29:51,931 --> 00:29:56,102 there was a number of times that he would bring up the subject of children. 435 00:30:10,172 --> 00:30:13,378 He didn't get into any sexual nature of it, 436 00:30:13,379 --> 00:30:16,861 but he deferred right to the subject of children. 437 00:30:16,862 --> 00:30:18,689 He must have been thinking about it. 438 00:30:27,034 --> 00:30:28,379 It wasn't enough. 439 00:30:31,827 --> 00:30:34,792 So I agreed to meet him. 440 00:30:34,793 --> 00:30:38,136 He had to be in West Palm Beach for Subway 441 00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:42,310 and made the arrangements for me to come out there to see him. 442 00:30:44,137 --> 00:30:48,136 It was important for me to meet with Jared in person. 443 00:30:48,137 --> 00:30:51,378 When you meet someone in person, you feel closer. 444 00:30:51,379 --> 00:30:53,137 You're more comfortable. 445 00:30:54,827 --> 00:31:00,895 I admit that I was naive to a degree doing this initial launch 446 00:31:00,896 --> 00:31:02,931 of an investigation on my own. 447 00:31:04,137 --> 00:31:08,654 I didn't think about, what level of harm's way 448 00:31:08,655 --> 00:31:11,413 that I would be possibly putting myself in. 449 00:31:12,586 --> 00:31:16,448 I just did what I felt instinctual to do. 450 00:31:18,931 --> 00:31:22,136 I had my Dictaphone in my handbag. 451 00:31:22,137 --> 00:31:28,999 My hope was I am going to hopefully capture his confessions, 452 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,826 his ideas about children. 453 00:31:30,827 --> 00:31:34,206 Perhaps this could be the evidence that I need 454 00:31:35,275 --> 00:31:38,620 in order to put forward to the authorities. 455 00:31:40,206 --> 00:31:44,378 So I arrived in West Palm Beach at the motel that Jared 456 00:31:44,379 --> 00:31:49,413 was staying at, and I turned the Dictaphone ON. 457 00:31:56,793 --> 00:32:00,103 I was very nervous walking to his room. 458 00:32:02,689 --> 00:32:04,999 I didn't want to get caught with a recorder. 459 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,793 I wanted to appear to be as calm as possible. 460 00:32:22,413 --> 00:32:26,274 And so I entered the room and he welcomed me. 461 00:32:26,275 --> 00:32:27,723 He's... "Oh, thank you for coming. 462 00:32:27,724 --> 00:32:29,000 It's really great to see you." 463 00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:35,930 And I sat on the edge of the bed because he had his luggage 464 00:32:35,931 --> 00:32:37,758 on the only chair that was in the room. 465 00:32:38,758 --> 00:32:40,896 And he sat down on the bed next to me. 466 00:32:45,689 --> 00:32:49,103 And he started to become very hands-on, 467 00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:53,827 just as though he had a right. 468 00:32:55,517 --> 00:32:59,861 I very calmly, just kind of pulled away. 469 00:32:59,862 --> 00:33:02,136 I did not want to get physical with Jared. 470 00:33:02,137 --> 00:33:10,033 I was thinking of every which way to let him know it wasn't okay. 471 00:33:10,034 --> 00:33:15,516 Then he leans over to me and he tells me how hot 472 00:33:15,517 --> 00:33:18,619 it would be if I put my hair in pigtails. 473 00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:20,000 And would I do that for him? 474 00:33:23,689 --> 00:33:25,757 How did you interpret that? 475 00:33:25,758 --> 00:33:27,689 Looking like a child, a little girl. 476 00:33:28,827 --> 00:33:31,136 With the comment that he had made at the school, 477 00:33:31,137 --> 00:33:37,102 and now the comment about me putting my hair in pigtails for him... 478 00:33:37,103 --> 00:33:41,655 No doubt in my mind that Jared was in fact a pedophile. 479 00:33:42,482 --> 00:33:44,172 It made my skin crawl. 480 00:33:45,827 --> 00:33:51,378 I was shaking and I was trying not to allow my sickening feeling 481 00:33:51,379 --> 00:33:53,551 inside to be expressed on my face. 482 00:33:54,655 --> 00:33:56,792 I had to get out. 483 00:33:56,793 --> 00:34:00,171 As soon as he went into the restroom and closed the door, 484 00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:05,033 I grabbed my bag, walked to my car as quickly as possible, 485 00:34:05,034 --> 00:34:08,103 hoping to get in my vehicle before he even noticed I was gone. 486 00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:14,827 As soon as I'm pulling out of the parking lot... 487 00:34:17,068 --> 00:34:20,861 Jared calls me on the phone and asked me, "Where did you go?" 488 00:34:20,862 --> 00:34:22,619 And I told him, "I'm so sorry. 489 00:34:22,620 --> 00:34:24,999 I just received a phone call from my kids. 490 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,792 I have to get back right away. 491 00:34:26,793 --> 00:34:29,481 We'll have to see each other again soon." 492 00:34:29,482 --> 00:34:34,482 As I drove up the coast, I was sobbing, I was crying, I was shaking. 493 00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:38,585 It didn't go as I had planned. 494 00:34:38,586 --> 00:34:43,689 The Dictaphone didn't pick up as clear of a conversation as I had hoped. 495 00:34:48,241 --> 00:34:49,378 I was frightened. 496 00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:52,448 I was confused. 497 00:34:56,827 --> 00:34:58,620 Do I continue on? 498 00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:04,000 The driving force for me was moral obligation. 499 00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:09,205 What he's portraying to the audience, to the children, 500 00:35:09,206 --> 00:35:11,620 to his peers, to his handlers, 501 00:35:12,724 --> 00:35:13,861 that's not him. 502 00:35:13,862 --> 00:35:15,344 He's hiding behind a mask. 503 00:35:17,068 --> 00:35:20,068 And I realized I could enjoy lots of great-tasting food without lots of fat. 504 00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:25,619 Any time I would see children, I wondered, 505 00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:27,723 "Did they cross paths with Jared?" 506 00:35:27,724 --> 00:35:29,689 "Could they possibly be a victim?" 507 00:35:35,379 --> 00:35:38,861 That catapulted me on my mission to find out 508 00:35:38,862 --> 00:35:40,862 more about what Jared was up to. 509 00:35:43,862 --> 00:35:45,723 In the mid-2000s, 510 00:35:45,724 --> 00:35:49,516 you cannot turn on your TV without seeing Jared Fogle. 511 00:35:49,517 --> 00:35:51,654 Jared here with some hard-hitting little leaguers. 512 00:35:51,655 --> 00:35:53,136 Hi! 513 00:35:53,137 --> 00:35:55,240 You know, there are over 12 million overweight kids in this country. 514 00:35:55,241 --> 00:35:56,343 But exercise and... 515 00:35:56,344 --> 00:35:58,136 - Eating right can help. - Which is why... 516 00:35:58,137 --> 00:35:59,654 He made so many commercials. 517 00:35:59,655 --> 00:36:03,447 And it was just really neat seeing how all the different 518 00:36:03,448 --> 00:36:06,516 celebrities and everything that he is making commercials with. 519 00:36:06,517 --> 00:36:09,136 - Less fat. - More meat. 520 00:36:09,137 --> 00:36:10,240 Less fat. 521 00:36:10,241 --> 00:36:11,655 Jared... 522 00:36:12,655 --> 00:36:13,895 More meat. 523 00:36:13,896 --> 00:36:15,171 More meat! 524 00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:17,482 - Subway. - Eat fresh! 525 00:36:18,724 --> 00:36:20,895 Jared became a household name, 526 00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:26,205 which led to roles in TV shows and movies. 527 00:36:26,206 --> 00:36:29,965 He became an icon in American pop culture. 528 00:36:36,689 --> 00:36:40,757 Jared's schedule with Subway was jam-packed. 529 00:36:40,758 --> 00:36:42,723 New York, L.A., Denver, 530 00:36:42,724 --> 00:36:44,895 I can be... Even in Australia and New Zealand 531 00:36:44,896 --> 00:36:46,136 now people know who I am. 532 00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:47,447 Jared Fogle. 533 00:36:48,896 --> 00:36:51,757 Which was very helpful for me because the busier he was, 534 00:36:51,758 --> 00:36:54,792 the less he would be trying to meet me in person. 535 00:36:54,793 --> 00:36:57,619 So it made the most sense for us to have 536 00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:00,619 a long-distance phone relationship. 537 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:02,826 My mum would always have some kind of recording 538 00:37:02,827 --> 00:37:06,861 device on her that would allow her to record whatever was going on. 539 00:37:06,862 --> 00:37:09,262 Like, something could just happen and she wanted to be ready. 540 00:37:17,793 --> 00:37:22,136 I was there to gain his trust and to get information. 541 00:37:22,137 --> 00:37:29,103 And eventually, he would tell me his deepest and darkest secrets. 542 00:37:45,827 --> 00:37:49,861 Jared was lonely during his travels. 543 00:37:49,862 --> 00:37:53,895 I think that I was an escape from his public persona, 544 00:37:53,896 --> 00:37:57,068 and Jared felt he could be himself around me. 545 00:37:57,896 --> 00:37:59,137 That's what he needed. 546 00:38:11,344 --> 00:38:15,999 I had to play a role with Jared that I was interested 547 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,033 in him personally, romantically. 548 00:38:20,034 --> 00:38:23,067 This was, in essence, a honey trap. 549 00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:25,861 I was going to use his flirting with me, 550 00:38:25,862 --> 00:38:28,619 interest in me to my advantage... Absolutely. 551 00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:29,792 Why would I not? 552 00:38:29,793 --> 00:38:31,034 That was my leverage. 553 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:54,102 The next step was to bring him to a point of comfort 554 00:38:54,103 --> 00:38:58,068 where he would share his innermost desires when it came to children. 555 00:39:00,724 --> 00:39:03,067 I am back to my hotel. 556 00:39:03,068 --> 00:39:04,585 You are. 557 00:39:04,586 --> 00:39:08,310 As time went on, he was opening up more and more to me. 558 00:39:35,862 --> 00:39:38,895 Jared called me incessantly. 559 00:39:38,896 --> 00:39:43,412 I mean, there's times that he called me 15, 20 times a day. 560 00:39:43,413 --> 00:39:48,964 I did my best not to take any calls from Jared while my children were present. 561 00:39:48,965 --> 00:39:51,585 Unfortunately, sometimes they were there, 562 00:39:51,586 --> 00:39:54,413 but I would make certain they were out of earshot. 563 00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:58,619 When these calls would happen, 564 00:39:58,620 --> 00:40:01,033 my mom would sometimes disappear into her bedroom. 565 00:40:01,034 --> 00:40:04,136 She would be very, like, secretive and quiet about it. 566 00:40:04,137 --> 00:40:07,171 She wouldn't want me and my sister to know. 567 00:40:07,172 --> 00:40:08,654 Clearly, it felt like something was going on 568 00:40:08,655 --> 00:40:10,724 and something was wrong. 569 00:40:19,344 --> 00:40:21,654 It was mid-late 2007 570 00:40:21,655 --> 00:40:23,826 when I received a phone call from Jared. 571 00:40:23,827 --> 00:40:26,620 He just started to open up. 572 00:40:29,965 --> 00:40:35,000 He was very much wanting to go to fetish clubs. 573 00:40:43,965 --> 00:40:46,274 I asked him pointed questions. 574 00:40:46,275 --> 00:40:50,068 I wanted to find out his true desires. 575 00:40:57,724 --> 00:41:00,620 Suddenly, he drops a bombshell on me. 576 00:41:26,793 --> 00:41:28,964 It's haunting. 577 00:41:28,965 --> 00:41:35,000 When I heard Jared specifically state getting a child nine or ten years old, 578 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,378 I was terrified. 579 00:41:39,379 --> 00:41:42,964 I did not doubt for a minute if given the opportunity, 580 00:41:42,965 --> 00:41:45,689 he would not hesitate to take that child. 581 00:41:50,275 --> 00:41:56,205 At that point, I knew this was beyond anything that I could 582 00:41:56,206 --> 00:41:58,862 or even should continue on my own. 583 00:42:00,655 --> 00:42:02,793 I was going straight to the FBI. 584 00:42:04,586 --> 00:42:07,930 I just had no idea... 585 00:42:07,931 --> 00:42:13,000 that I would be putting myself or even my children in great jeopardy.