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           [Phil Spector]           
       If they don't like you,      

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     if you got a tainted past,     

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      if they've got a picture      
         of you with a gun,         

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   if you've done something wrong, 

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            if they   think           
    you've done something wrong,    

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       and they don't like you      
        for whatever reason,        

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        they will screw you.        

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       Phil Spector very much       
             saw himself            

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             as a victim            
       of all kinds of things.      

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   Whether it was from being puny   
           at high school,          

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            being a Jew,            
      not getting a stamp made      

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         with his name on it        
       when Buddy Holly did...      

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           most of the way          
         he viewed the world        

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       was about how unfairly       
           he was treated.          

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      And his characterization      
             of himself             

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     as the victim on that night    
       was on a par with that.      

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      I think he was terrified      
     that he'd be found guilty,     

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           and that he...           

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       tried to act just like       
       he had all the reasons       

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      to think that he wouldn't     
          be found guilty.          

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            What happens            
        when artistic genius        

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     collides with the criminal     
           justice system?          

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         [cameras snapping]         

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        Daydreaming 'bout you      

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         So glad I found you       

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        I was lost without you     

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               I'll sing            
           a little louder          

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         So glad I found you       

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               I was lost           
             without you            

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               I'll sing            
           a little louder          

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     Phil Spector appeared to be    
       doing everyday living.       

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       He had gotten married.       

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     [Mick Brown] I guess she's     
    probably 40 years his junior.   

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 This woman named Rachelle Short. 

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       She, too, was a sort of      
         aspirant musician,         

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      aspirant actress, model.      

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        In fact, the wedding        
         was in the castle,         

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    the place where Lana Clarkson   
            was murdered.           

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      For a lot of this period,     
   he's then going out and about.   

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      You know, he's sort of--      
      he's seen in restaurants,     

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      he's talking to friends.      

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   He actually gives an interview   
        to Esquire Magazine,        

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        but barely finds time       
         to mention the fact        

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    that he's on a murder charge.   

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    And as you can well imagine,    

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       you have Lana's family       

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     very frustrated, you know.     

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     His life is still going on,    

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     and their loved one's life     
              is over.              

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     [Alan Jackson] Phil Spector    
      thought, "If I just throw     

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       "enough money at this.       

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        "It's been happening        
            for 40 years.           

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        "Celebrities get off        
     in this town all the time.     

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     "They'll never convict me.     

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         "I'm Phil Spector,         
           for God's sake.          

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    "I have unlimited resources.    

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    "I will throw enough lawyers,   
    I will throw enough experts,    

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         "that they'll just         
           get convoluted.          

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         "They'll get turned        
           inside and out.          

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     I'll never get convicted."     

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      [Beth Karas] Phil Spector     
      put together a good team.     

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         Linda Kenney Baden         
     has expertise in forensics,    

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    and this is a forensic case.    

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     It's gonna largely be based    
          on blood spatter,         

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           and the wounds,          
   and the autopsy, and all that.   

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        The defense position        
         was that the scene         

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    and everything was messed up    
      right from the beginning,     

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         and that it wasn't         
        interpreted properly.       

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        [Linda Kenney Baden]        
     Our trial team's narrative     

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    at the trial was that Phillip   
     was coming down the stairs.    

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      He had left Miss Clarkson     
        sitting in the chair,       

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    he was coming down the stairs   
   after a certain period of time   

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       thinking that she would      
      be leaving, or had gone,      

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      and that she had the gun      
            in her mouth,           

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        and then it went off,       
            and you know,           

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    as it went off, he said "No!"   

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       And that was consistent      

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          with what we saw          
         with the forensics,        

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          which was the one         
         possible bloodstain        

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         that was underneath        
       Phillip's white jacket       

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   that he was definitely wearing. 

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       That could only happen       
          if his arm was up         

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    at the time of the shooting.    

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 If Phillip Spector were standing 
       right in front of her,       

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      she had the blood spatter     
      all over her, he did not.     

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   [Ricardo Enriquez] They showed   
      the jacket on the screen.     

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       We can't see the blood.      

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           And certainly,           
         if he had done it,         

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        there would have been       
             more blood.            

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           So, that was--           
         that was troubling.        

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              There was             
   a Quentin Tarantino-esque idea   

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      by-- that was propounded      
           by the defense,          

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   that when you walk up and shoot 
       someone at close range,      

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    you're just covered in blood.   

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              You know,             
       spatter's all over you.      

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          That's not true.          
     It's just not the science.     

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   There's times where you can be   

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         within three feet,         
           shoot someone,           

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         and not get a speck        
          of blood on you.          

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         The spatter pattern        
    on the jacket actually shows    

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          that he did stand         
           on top of her,           

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           and he did put           
        the gun in her mouth.       

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   If he's within two feet of her   

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          at the time that          
         the shot was fired,        

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    and his right arm is raised,    

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    which the bloodstain pattern    
        evidence established,       

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           then that's got          
      his finger on the trigger     

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         that's got the gun         
            in his hand.            

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            Lana Clarkson           
 was stretched back in the chair. 

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      The blood spatter stopped     
      at the hem of her skirt.      

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    If high-velocity back spatter   

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    went any further than the hem   
            of her skirt,           

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         it would have been         
           on her thighs,           

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            on her knees,           
           and her shoes.           

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             It wasn't.             

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            We know where           
          the pattern ends.         

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        It ends in two feet.        

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      That means arm's length.      

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          Arm's length from         
           Lana Clarkson.           

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            Arm's length.           

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            That's where            
        Phillip Spector was.        

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     His conduct was so abusive     
          and so abhorrent.         

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          He would put guns         
         in women's mouths,         

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        push guns up against        
           people's heads.          

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   [Beth] This is a man who didn't 
   like to take "no" from a woman. 

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         He wanted control.         

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     He did not like rejection,     
    he did not like to be alone.    

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     He had abandonment issues.     

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         Maybe it goes back         
            to his father           

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      killing himself so young      

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        and the relationship        
       he had with his mother.      

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    [Vikram Jayanti] The children   
        of deranged parents,        

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        or alcoholic parents,       
         or abusive parents,        

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           frequently turn          
        into control freaks.        

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       They want a world where      
       they have total control      

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   so they have a world of order.   

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    And he was a fiend for order.   

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          He's controlling,         
        he needs to control.        

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           And the reason           
         he needs to control        

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         is 'cause he's got         
         insecurity himself.        

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   [Richard] The officers arrived   
        within three minutes        

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    of the call, and they waited    
      for the assisting units.      

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    They interviewed Mr. De Souza   
            at the scene,           

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     obtained more information.     

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      They developed a gameplan     
       to approach the house.       

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           [gate creaking]          

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    [Alan] The police had no idea   
    what they were dealing with.    

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      They set up to make entry     
           into the house           

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            as carefully            
       as they possibly could.      

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     It was probably 45 minutes     
             or so later            

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         after the 911 call.        

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     Never once during that time    

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          did Phil Spector          
          pick up a phone,          

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   any of the phones in his house   
         to call the police.        

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           He doesn't know          
    the police are on their way,    

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           he doesn't know          
        De Souza has called,        

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         but he never calls.        

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   If, in fact, he's the shooter,   

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       he has time to clean up      
         some of the scene.         

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      He had on a white jacket      
    when he was out that evening.   

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       When the officers came,      

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          he no longer had          
         that white jacket.         

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      It was found on the floor     
    of his bedroom, not hung up.    

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      So, one could infer that      
     he took it off very quickly    

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         and just dropped it        
            to the floor.           

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       [Alan] To me, it showed      
         he was in a panic.         

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      He needed time to think,      

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         and he needed time         
         to try to cover up         

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    this incredibly horrific deed   
       that he had just done.       

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    There was a cloth baby diaper   
         found at the scene,        

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    in the bathroom that was just   
       adjacent to that foyer.      

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        Gun owners often wrap       
     their guns in cloth diapers    

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       to keep it lubricated.       

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          This cloth diaper         
             had blood.             

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       It was later determined      
    to be Lana Clarkson's blood.    

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     The toilet had blood in it,    

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     indicating that the diaper     
            had been used           

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          to wipe her face,         

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           and then it was          
      washed off in the toilet.     

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            Not the sink.           
           In the toilet.           

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       Why would Phil Spector       
   wash a baby diaper in a toilet   

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        unless he was trying        
       to get rid of evidence?      

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     Was there or was there not     
           an open toilet           

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             right next             
       to the bloody wet rag?       

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      Yes, sir, but when people     

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       go to wash their hands,      

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    they usually wash their hands   

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    in a sink rather than washing   

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            in a toilet,            
         if there's a sink.         

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          What if they just         
      killed somebody, Doctor?      

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          You'd have to be          
         a master criminal.         

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        I really don't think        
       he's a master criminal.      

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    The prosecution kept saying,    

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    "Well, she has all this blood   
            all over her,           

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         "and he was trying         
           to clean it up           

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       and clean it off her."       

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 But what are you gonna clean up? 

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        She's full of blood,        
    the carpet is full of blood.    

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      There's teeth everywhere.     
      What are you cleaning up?     

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     I mean, she's in the house.    

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       You're not cleaning up       
              anything.             

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       [Beth] There's the gun       
         under her left leg.        

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      How do you kill yourself      
        with your right hand,       

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        and how does the gun        
      get under your left leg?      

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     That's not a natural place     
      where the gun would fall      

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        if you kill yourself        
          like that, right?         

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        He had time to stage        
         some of the scene.         

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        When you fire a gun,        
       there's kickback to it,      

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       especially if you're--       
          you end up dead,          

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    it's your kickback, it hits--   
       it hits your thumbnail       

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            and it falls.           

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         So, you don't know         
        where that gun fell.        

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 So, we didn't think the position 
    of the gun mattered an iota.    

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      [Richard] If one was shot     
            in the mouth,           

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     there's an expectation that    
   there would be a lot more blood 

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    on the actual weapon itself.    

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           There was not,           

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         indicating someone         
         had wiped it down.         

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       That's an impossibility      
         that she did that.         

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       He decides in a panic,       
    "I'm gonna wipe her face off.   

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      "I'm gonna take the gun,      
       I'm gonna wipe that off      

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    "because I had it in my hand.   

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         "I'm gonna place it        
           under her leg,           

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       and then I'm gonna say       
      that she did it herself."     

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         [man] Dr. Di Maio,         
    what was it about the emails    

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        that suggested to you       
         that Miss Clarkson         

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           was the victim           
     of a self-inflicted wound?     

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       [Vincent] Well, she had      
         financial problems.        

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           She was afraid           
          of being evicted.         

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        One note to a doctor,       

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     she said she was at the end    
             of her rope            

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       and couldn't function.       

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        She also, of course,        
       had the wrist injuries       

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 and had been on very heavy doses 

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            of narcotics            
       for almost six months.       

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        There's this evidence       
        about her depression,       

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   and she was on antidepressant.   

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            All the proof           
         was it's a suicide.        

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       I think she was a very       
           troubled woman.          

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         She was an actress         
       who's 40 years of age.       

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        I'm sorry, you know,        
     that's sex discrimination,     

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      but that's the way it is.     

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     [Nili Hudson] I understand     
    that Phil Spector's attorneys   

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       had to mount a defense,      

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        and that the only way       
   they could defend Phil Spector   

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   was to put the gun in her hand. 

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         [Vincent] I'd list         
         the cause of death         

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   as an intraoral gunshot wound,   

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       and the manner of death      
             is suicide.            

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         [Nili] The picture         
    that the defense was painting   

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     was that she was suicidal,     

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      which couldn't be further     
           from the truth.          

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        Could not be further        
           from the truth.          

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           [Rod Lindblom]           
    We all sat there in disbelief   

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         when they concocted        
            this defense            

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    that she was down on her luck   
            and suicidal,           

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   and I mean, it was pretty hard   
            to sit there            

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         day in and day out         

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         and listen to that.        

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          She had no reason         
          to kill herself.          

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            She was busy,           
     you know, she was working.     

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   She had just booked an audition 
            that Friday.            

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      She told me she was gonna     
          let go of the job         

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          at House of Blues         
     because she was, you know,     

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         getting busy again.        

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       She was going to emcee       
       an event in a few days.      

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         This is not a woman        
         who's ready to die.        

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               [Paul]               
    You just gotta be reasonable.   

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          Would someone go          
       into a stranger's home       

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       and just kill themself       
           for no reason?           

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   I've handled numerous suicides   

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     and I've never had a woman     
     shoot herself in the face.     

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           I'm not saying           
        it's never happened,        

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     but I've never handled one     
             like that.             

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         [Alan] We were well        
           into the trial.          

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       There was another thing      
            that we knew,           

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        and that was dealing        
        with her fingernail.        

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            It was white.           
       And it was quite small.      

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      Just a little white thing     
     the size of my fingernail.     

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          [female reporter]         
        These witnesses claim       

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   they saw something in the foyer 
      of Phil Spector's house.      

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   Prosecutors say it's a critical 
          piece of evidence         

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        that could help prove       
       their case for murder.       

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     We knew that Lana Clarkson     
         had acrylic nails.         

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    She kept them perfectly done    
            at all times.           

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       And when she was found       
           after the shot,          

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         her right thumbnail        
     had been badly chipped off.    

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     There are rules with regard    
         to what the defense        

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          can and cannot do         
          at a crime scene.         

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    They're allowed equal access.   

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          That's just basic         
         due process rights.        

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         What they can't do         
      is remove, or manipulate,     

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       or alter evidence found      
         at the crime scene.        

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     Something unusual happened     
    at this crime scene, however.   

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    [female reporter] Prosecutors   
       believe Lana Clarkson's      

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      broken acrylic fingernail     
            was recovered           

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          by Dr. Henry Lee.         

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      The renowned criminalist      
    was hired by the defense team   

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   to examine the shooting scene.   

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       [Alan] A female lawyer       
     for the defense testified,     

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            "I was there,           
      I was at the crime scene,     

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      "and I believe Henry Lee      

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      may have taken something      
       from the crime scene."       

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    [Sara Caplan] He picked it up   
    and put it in a plastic vial.   

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         And that's the last        
           I saw of that.           

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     Because of that revelation,    

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         we called Henry Lee        
            to the stand            

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         in a motion outside        
      the presence of the jury,     

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   inquired of him whether or not   
         that ever happened.        

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    So, if Miss Caplan testified    
        that she watched you        

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            pick a small            
       white object up with--       

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   it was flat with uneven edges-- 

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    and drop it into a test tube,   
       she would be incorrect?      

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          I think she made          
         an honest mistake.         

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         Whatever we found,         
             I reported.            

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      Nothing to hide about it.     

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    [Alan] He said he didn't take   
   anything from the crime scene,   

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          and we had no way         
        of proving otherwise.       

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            To this day,            
     I've never seen that nail.     

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        Dr. Lee, he testifies       
     that he never put anything     

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         in a vial, and that        
           is inconsistent          

322
00:16:13,722 --> 00:16:17,022
    with Miss Caplan's testimony.   

323
00:16:17,059 --> 00:16:18,769
       And if I have to choose      
          between the two,          

324
00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:19,941
           I'm gonna find           
          that Miss Caplan          

325
00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,309
          is more credible          
            than Dr. Lee.           

326
00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,645
          [Alan] The lawyer         
           who watched it,          

327
00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:25,191
        she said, "I saw it.        

328
00:16:25,234 --> 00:16:26,994
        "I saw that there was       
            a black mark            

329
00:16:27,027 --> 00:16:28,737
         "on one side of it.        

330
00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:31,239
         "I asked Henry Lee         
           what that was,           

331
00:16:31,281 --> 00:16:34,951
   and his answer was he believed   
       it was a strike mark,"       

332
00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:36,454
     meaning a lead strike mark.    

333
00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:39,415
 The only thing lead in that room 
            is a bullet,            

334
00:16:39,456 --> 00:16:41,706
         meaning the bullet         
          struck that item.         

335
00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:44,040
        [Pat Dixon] We think        
    it's the victim's fingernail,   

336
00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:45,836
    and it has bullet wipe on it,   

337
00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:47,589
      and it's because her hand     

338
00:16:47,631 --> 00:16:48,921
          was in her mouth          

339
00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:50,586
     trying to push the gun away    

340
00:16:50,634 --> 00:16:51,974
          when Phil Spector         

341
00:16:52,011 --> 00:16:53,931
    pointed the gun in her face,    

342
00:16:53,971 --> 00:16:55,971
            in her mouth,           
        and fired the weapon.       

343
00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,225
   I've handled numerous suicides   

344
00:16:58,267 --> 00:17:01,187
       where people have shot       
       themselves in the head.      

345
00:17:01,228 --> 00:17:05,068
         And I've never seen        
    a fingernail broke over that.   

346
00:17:05,107 --> 00:17:07,397
         So, the fingernail         
           indicated to me          

347
00:17:07,443 --> 00:17:09,703
      that there was a struggle     
            of some sort            

348
00:17:09,737 --> 00:17:11,317
      right there at that time.     

349
00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:14,453
    The fact that the bullet wipe   
     would be on her fingernail     

350
00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:17,241
      would show that her hands     
           and her fingers          

351
00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:18,786
      were not on the trigger.      

352
00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:20,249
     She did not commit suicide.    

353
00:17:20,289 --> 00:17:22,169
      He probably put that gun      
            to her face.            

354
00:17:22,207 --> 00:17:26,627
       She had a wrist injury,      
   but she tried to fight him off. 

355
00:17:26,670 --> 00:17:29,470
         And when doing so,         
         he either panicked,        

356
00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:32,506
        or whatever happened,       
            and shot her.           

357
00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:41,599
    [Vikram] I don't really know    
         how much Phil felt         

358
00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:43,523
             in terms of            
     other people's sufferings.     

359
00:17:43,562 --> 00:17:46,192
   I don't think he had any talent 
            for empathy.            

360
00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:49,491
            But I suspect           
     the death of Lana Clarkson     

361
00:17:49,526 --> 00:17:53,446
      and the trial, it all fit     
    into his narrative of himself   

362
00:17:53,489 --> 00:17:55,619
     as someone sinned against.     

363
00:17:55,657 --> 00:17:58,737
         This woman had come        
            to his house            

364
00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:01,036
        and ruined his life.        

365
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,750
     He genuinely at every point    
          seemed to believe         

366
00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:05,711
      that she killed herself.      

367
00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:09,051
        When you're indicted,       
        when you're accused,        

368
00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,588
           you are guilty,          

369
00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:13,261
           and that's just          
          the way it goes.          

370
00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:17,930
    Innocent until proven guilty    
       is the bill of rights.       

371
00:18:17,971 --> 00:18:20,351
        It's out the window.        

372
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:22,480
            [Carol Kaye]            
      After I saw him on trial,     

373
00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:25,188
        I just couldn't watch       
            any of that.            

374
00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,939
    That wasn't the Phil Spector    
               I knew.              

375
00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:30,901
       Phillip, what the hell       
          happened to you?          

376
00:18:31,568 --> 00:18:33,148
    What happened to all the work   

377
00:18:33,195 --> 00:18:35,315
        that we did on those        
            hit records?            

378
00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:38,414
       You put us all at risk,      
   you know, to a certain extent,   

379
00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:41,620
      the work that we had put      
         into those records.        

380
00:18:41,662 --> 00:18:45,502
       That was a piece of us       
       that was on trial too.       

381
00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:50,092
     [Phil] I have to admit that    
    I've been somewhat ostracized   

382
00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,629
           by the industry          
        with this indictment.       

383
00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:57,219
        Something as heinous        
         as a murder charge         

384
00:18:57,261 --> 00:19:00,761
    is appalling to some people,    

385
00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:04,766
    with no foundation whatsoever   
          to base it upon.          

386
00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:10,360
   There's just nothing you can do 
    about the assumption of guilt   

387
00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:12,939
         when you're accused        
          by an indictment.         

388
00:19:15,404 --> 00:19:17,614
    [Vikram] I remember early on    
      him saying that the judge     

389
00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:20,026
        wouldn't let him play       
          any of his music,         

390
00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,325
          I mean, that they         
       weren't allowed to talk      

391
00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:25,079
      about his musical career      
            in the trial,           

392
00:19:25,122 --> 00:19:27,792
      'cause it had no bearing      
           on that night.           

393
00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:30,035
       The trial was going on       
           all around him,          

394
00:19:30,085 --> 00:19:31,875
        and he was thinking,        
           "If these guys           

395
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,510
       "could just hear this,       

396
00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:36,127
     we wouldn't be sitting here    
         in this courtroom."        

397
00:19:40,762 --> 00:19:43,272
        [Beth] The courtroom        
          was always full,          

398
00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:47,267
      primarily full of media,      
            and you know,           

399
00:19:47,311 --> 00:19:50,021
       some interested members      
           of the public.           

400
00:19:50,063 --> 00:19:51,153
       But in terms of family,      

401
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,610
       Lana Clarkson's mother       
           would be there,          

402
00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:55,940
          and the attorney          
      representing the family.      

403
00:19:55,986 --> 00:19:58,276
         And on Phil's side,        
          his wife Rachelle         

404
00:19:58,322 --> 00:19:59,452
          was always there.         

405
00:19:59,489 --> 00:20:01,279
       Rachelle seemed to like      
           the attention,           

406
00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:03,735
   and was always very, you know,   
      made up and well-dressed,     

407
00:20:03,785 --> 00:20:05,535
            and you know,           
         presenting herself.        

408
00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:10,669
   Phillip obviously felt the need 
       to have somebody around      

409
00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:13,549
           who he thought           
          believed in him.          

410
00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:16,167
    So, we had to be very careful   
           with Rachelle.           

411
00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,465
         We're trying to get        
        the best for Phillip,       

412
00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:19,838
    we're trying to represent him   
              the best,             

413
00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:22,255
      and we can't have anyone      
      throw roadblocks our way.     

414
00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:24,224
     But yes, it was a problem.     

415
00:20:24,264 --> 00:20:25,394
    -[woman] Get out of the way.    
         -Excuse me, please.        

416
00:20:25,432 --> 00:20:26,602
         Get out of the way.        

417
00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:28,352
         [man] She attended         
    her husband's trial each day,   

418
00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:31,233
         where her advocacy         
       got people's attention.      

419
00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:32,861
    [Judge Fidler] Mrs. Spector,    
         I want you to hear         

420
00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:34,188
        every comment I make.       

421
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,243
          I can assure you,         
           I will hold you          

422
00:20:36,276 --> 00:20:38,856
        in contempt of court        
       for violating my order,      

423
00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:40,494
 and I will treat it accordingly. 

424
00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:41,660
     [Rachelle] And that's okay     
             for Louis?             

425
00:20:41,698 --> 00:20:43,408
              -Ma'am...             
 -...and all the other bad people 

426
00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:44,950
     -to go out and say stuff...    
        -Ma'am, you don't...        

427
00:20:44,993 --> 00:20:46,163
     ...and be nasty about him?     

428
00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:48,123
      Would you like to remain      
          in the courtroom?         

429
00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:52,213
     [Nicole] She was definitely    
          in the limelight.         

430
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,591
           I suppose that           
     that was exciting for her,     

431
00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:57,799
 or grati-- I mean, I don't know, 
    it seemed like she liked it.    

432
00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,379
         His DNA was nowhere        
           on the weapon,           

433
00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,545
          his fingerprints          
       were not on the weapon.      

434
00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,184
     [Linda] She wanted to be in    
           on everything,           

435
00:21:04,221 --> 00:21:06,431
         she wanted to judge        
           every decision.          

436
00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,643
        We co-opted Rachelle        
            to understand           

437
00:21:08,684 --> 00:21:10,484
         that every decision        
     we were making for Phillip     

438
00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:13,769
        was a good decision,        
       and that he was for it,      

439
00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:15,904
        and that we had to be       
            a team here.            

440
00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:18,321
      There was sort of an air      
      that he was somehow being     

441
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,570
       held aloft by Rachelle.      

442
00:21:20,612 --> 00:21:24,202
          I mean, clearly,          
   she was very protective of him, 

443
00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:28,331
   and this attitude clearly then   
            came to play            

444
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:30,410
       later in the courtroom.      

445
00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:33,325
          One of the themes         
      that the defense embraced     

446
00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:36,915
       throughout the entirety      
         of the trial was...        

447
00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:41,682
          how to denigrate          
    Lana Clarkson and her memory.   

448
00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:43,467
         [man] Mr. Terzian,         
          I'm gonna ask you         

449
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:44,930
        to watch this, okay?        

450
00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:46,180
         It's a short video.        

451
00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:47,681
      And when we conclude it,      

452
00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:49,223
          I'm gonna ask you         
        some questions, okay?       

453
00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,596
               -Sure.               
             -Thank you.            

454
00:21:50,642 --> 00:21:53,312
           [music playing]          

455
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,400
    [Alan] They decided to argue    
          for the admission         

456
00:21:58,442 --> 00:22:00,902
        of a sizzle reel that       
   Lana Clarkson had put together, 

457
00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:04,914
    "Lana Unleashed," to sort of    
       showcase her abilities.      

458
00:22:04,948 --> 00:22:08,658
     Hello, and welcome to DA--     
          Dolls Anonymous.          

459
00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:12,412
             I'm Barbie,            
   an anatomically incorrect icon. 

460
00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:15,246
    [Alan] She considered herself   
       much like Lucille Ball       

461
00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:16,842
   in terms of a comedic actress.   

462
00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:18,547
           She was funny,           
           she was goofy,           

463
00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:21,257
      she liked to be physical      
           in her comedy.           

464
00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:23,508
       They decided to use it       
          to embarrass her.         

465
00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:27,510
      [man] After you saw this,     
      after you looked at this,     

466
00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:31,144
      did you still think that      
    she was extremely marketable,   

467
00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,903
             the Bible,             
         a real moneymaker?         

468
00:22:34,936 --> 00:22:36,396
             [Nick] Yes.            

469
00:22:36,438 --> 00:22:39,938
       I believe they thought       
     that it was a valid defense    

470
00:22:39,983 --> 00:22:43,653
         to try to make her         
        somewhat less worthy.       

471
00:22:43,695 --> 00:22:48,365
         She never performed        
      in any A-movies, correct?     

472
00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:49,278
                 No.                

473
00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:50,486
          To embarrass her.         

474
00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:52,405
          Any year that you         
          represented her,          

475
00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:54,464
          did she ever make         
         a million dollars?         

476
00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:55,668
   [Nick] Not to my recollection.   

477
00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:59,837
        To decrease her value       
   as a human being, as a person.   

478
00:23:01,338 --> 00:23:03,168
          Well, well, well.         

479
00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:04,505
 I know you're not stupid, Polly. 

480
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:06,929
         Phil Spector's wife        
       was sitting behind him       

481
00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:09,348
          in the audience,          
        and she made a point,       

482
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,678
      as did some of the folks      
        on the defense team,        

483
00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:14,393
    to snicker and laugh out loud   

484
00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:17,564
     while this was being played    
           for the jurors.          

485
00:23:17,604 --> 00:23:20,324
        I sat there seething.       

486
00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:24,987
            I don't know            
    that I've ever been as pissed   

487
00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:28,318
          as I was that day         
        watching them snicker       

488
00:23:28,365 --> 00:23:30,775
            and make fun            
       of this beautiful woman      

489
00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:32,736
       who died far too young.      

490
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:36,670
         [Donna] I just had         
           to tolerate it.          

491
00:23:36,706 --> 00:23:38,576
           You know, I had          
         to just be the mom         

492
00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:41,125
        and be there for her,       

493
00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:44,879
    and try to hold my composure    
         as best as I could.        

494
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,388
    [Alan] What that sizzle reel    
            actually did,           

495
00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,678
      was it put flesh and bone     
         onto Lana Clarkson         

496
00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:53,722
          for those jurors.         

497
00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:54,715
    Do you have a minute to sit?    

498
00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:56,726
          I own this place,         
          they don't care.          

499
00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:59,228
               -Okay.               
          -So, how are you?         

500
00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,561
              [scoffs]              
                Good.               

501
00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:02,645
          Just trying to do         
          the dating thing.         

502
00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:04,401
       [Ricardo] She was doing      
      a conversation with a guy     

503
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,653
           across a table,          
           and I saw her.           

504
00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:14,204
         And she was funny,         
           she was alive,           

505
00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:15,954
          she was a person.         

506
00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:19,615
     She wasn't a piece of meat     
       on an embalming table,       

507
00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:22,536
      or a disembodied throat,      
            or a tongue.            

508
00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,086
               Check?               
             [laughing]             

509
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:27,550
         For that moment...         

510
00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:29,631
            [choking up]            
            I knew Lana.            

511
00:24:29,676 --> 00:24:32,006
      And I-- and I missed her,     

512
00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:36,773
       and I grieved for her,       
     because I got to know her.     

513
00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:40,437
        And then I got angry        
        at that motherfucker        

514
00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:42,359
       for doing this to her.       

515
00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:43,767
            We went back            
         into the jury room,        

516
00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:47,565
            and we're...            
    we're sitting there sobbing,    

517
00:24:47,611 --> 00:24:50,411
         because it totally         
      just brought her to life.     

518
00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:53,157
        Mwah, ciao, bye-bye.        
                Yeah.               

519
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:59,960
      [Beth] Linda Kenney Baden     
      gave the closing argument     

520
00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:01,628
          for the defense.          

521
00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:03,746
       We thought that we had       
        the better narrative.       

522
00:25:03,793 --> 00:25:07,593
       We thought we had given      
   the jurors who were interested   

523
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,721
   in actually finding the truth,   

524
00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:11,838
        or seeking the truth,       
          as we called it,          

525
00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:13,425
     we thought we'd given them     

526
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,010
         the points to argue        
         in that jury room.         

527
00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:18,765
    [Beth] And then Alan Jackson    
           brought it home          

528
00:25:18,808 --> 00:25:23,018
    with all the final arguments,   
     and explaining why this guy    

529
00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:25,573
 absolutely killed Lana Clarkson, 
      she did not kill herself,     

530
00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:27,357
             dismantling            
       the forensic evidence.       

531
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,740
      I felt like the evidence      
             was there.             

532
00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:32,028
             I felt like            
        we had done our job.        

533
00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:36,406
        We had provided them        
       with cogent, coherent,       

534
00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:39,791
      lucid arguments about why     
            Phil Spector            

535
00:25:39,829 --> 00:25:42,539
            was guilty of           
        second-degree murder,       

536
00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,752
     why he should be convicted     
      of second-degree murder.      

537
00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:48,133
      She didn't kill herself.      
          He murdered her.          

538
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,511
         And then it was in         
         the jurors' hands.         

539
00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:54,512
       [man] The Phil Spector       
             murder case            

540
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,263
   is now in the hands of jurors.   

541
00:25:56,304 --> 00:25:58,604
     Jurors have been deadlocked    
       in their deliberations       

542
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,770
           since Tuesday,           
      when they told the judge      

543
00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:02,769
          they were unable          
         to reach a verdict.        

544
00:26:02,811 --> 00:26:05,691
      The defense put together      
          a scientific case         

545
00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:09,070
         and really did have        
     a fair amount of evidence,     

546
00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:10,989
         believe it or not,         
             to suggest             

547
00:26:11,027 --> 00:26:13,527
        that if Phil Spector        
         had fired the gun,         

548
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,912
       there should have been       
        a lot of blood on him       

549
00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,159
        in places that blood        
           was not found.           

550
00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:21,371
    The longer the deliberations    
             went on...             

551
00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:23,917
     the more concerned you get.    

552
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,960
         [Alan] And I think         
   there were people on that jury   

553
00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:32,724
    who were bound and determined   
        to come to a verdict.       

554
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,047
          I stayed hopeful.         

555
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,680
        I kept telling Donna,       
           Lana's mother,           

556
00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:40,562
           we've done what          
         we've needed to do.        

557
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,059
    We've presented this evidence   
             to a jury.             

558
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,020
       It's a difficult case,       
          it's a long case.         

559
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,900
            But as the--            
       as the days marched on,      

560
00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:51,858
         I became more wary         
         and more concerned.        

561
00:26:51,901 --> 00:26:54,201
     [Ricardo] It was a Thursday    
     or a Wednesday, and I said,    

562
00:26:54,237 --> 00:26:55,567
           let's do this.           

563
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:59,994
       One by one, we will all      
         go around the table        

564
00:27:00,035 --> 00:27:02,995
       defending our decision,      
     either guilty or not guilty    

565
00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:05,748
     based on the evidence only.    

566
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:07,500
            No bullshit.            

567
00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:13,634
          And that was it.          
           Just like that.          

568
00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:14,973
    -[man] Back up, sir, back up.   
     -[woman] What do you think     

569
00:27:15,008 --> 00:27:16,798
     the jury's thinking, Phil?     
              Rachelle?             

570
00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:18,973
        [man] Spector arrived       
      for another court session     

571
00:27:19,012 --> 00:27:20,972
         Wednesday afternoon        
           in Los Angeles           

572
00:27:21,014 --> 00:27:22,524
      as jurors were signaling      

573
00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:23,807
         they had a message         
           for the judge.           

574
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:25,100
          [man] This court          
         is now in session,         

575
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,903
 the Honorable Larry Paul Fidler, 
          judge presiding.          

576
00:27:26,936 --> 00:27:29,686
     All right, the defendant's     
      present with his counsel,     

577
00:27:29,731 --> 00:27:31,071
       the district attorneys       
            are present,            

578
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:33,937
             the jurors             
   and the alternates are present. 

579
00:27:33,985 --> 00:27:35,735
      At this time, I will find     
            that the jury           

580
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,569
         is unable to arrive        
            at a verdict,           

581
00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:39,994
       and declare a mistrial       
           in this matter.          

582
00:27:42,952 --> 00:27:44,542
      All right, I'm gonna ask      
         that the courtroom         

583
00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:45,709
 be cleared at this time, please. 

584
00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:47,707
             Thank you,             
        ladies and gentlemen.       

585
00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:49,039
      [woman] And we have some      
            breaking news           

586
00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:50,134
    that we want to bring to you.   

587
00:27:50,168 --> 00:27:51,998
     Jurors in the Phil Spector     
            murder trial,           

588
00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:53,795
     they say that they're still    
           unable to reach          

589
00:27:53,838 --> 00:27:55,758
        a unanimous verdict,        
        and now we understand       

590
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,589
     that the judge has declared    
             a mistrial.            

591
00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:00,135
             Ten to two.            

592
00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:03,517
           Ten for guilty,          
         two for not guilty.        

593
00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:07,062
        [Ricardo] What I got        
            from the jury           

594
00:28:07,102 --> 00:28:09,312
        was that they wanted        
          black and white.          

595
00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:10,944
    There is no black and white.    

596
00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:15,190
       Unless you were there,       
   it's gonna be reasonable doubt. 

597
00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:16,945
      [reporter] So, the jurors     
         that were holdouts,        

598
00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,196
      did they actually believe     
        that it was suicide?        

599
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:21,279
       Or were they-- what was      
      the feeling in the room?      

600
00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:24,124
            They believed           
     it could have been suicide,    

601
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,910
        and there was enough        
          reasonable doubt.         

602
00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,294
          See, the defense          
        put enough out there,       

603
00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:29,871
            and it stuck.           

604
00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:32,706
       It was something to do       
       with Adriano, I'm sure.      

605
00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:36,212
        Maybe he didn't hear        
    "I think I killed somebody."    

606
00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:39,966
        Maybe Adriano heard,        
      "Someone's been killed."      

607
00:28:40,009 --> 00:28:43,599
          He told me, like,         
    "I think I killed somebody."    

608
00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:47,058
 Some people expected more blood. 

609
00:28:47,934 --> 00:28:49,644
          Some people said,         
          "Well, you know,          

610
00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:50,766
     "it was probably her fault,    

611
00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:53,112
        because what was she        
            doing there?"           

612
00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:55,358
     But, the same time, I said     
       even if you go have sex      

613
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,150
           with somebody,           
    and there was a half a bottle   

614
00:28:57,193 --> 00:28:59,403
       of tequila or whatever,      
           it doesn't mean          

615
00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:02,116
      that she deserved to die.     

616
00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:09,709
      You know, in my opinion,      

617
00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:10,918
          I mean, he acted          
         like a guilty man.         

618
00:29:10,957 --> 00:29:12,917
      You know, he was guilty.      
         That's how I voted.        

619
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:14,879
        I can look at myself        
       in the mirror tomorrow,      

620
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:20,049
     get up, and sleep, and know    
     that I did the right thing.    

621
00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:21,471
         Give us three feet,        
         give us three feet.        

622
00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,429
         Give us three feet.        
             Thank you.             

623
00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:24,390
         Give us three feet.        

624
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:25,849
        -How are you feeling?       
        -Give us three feet.        

625
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:29,599
       I just dropped my head       
           and thought...           

626
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,649
   so this is what it feels like?   
             [chuckles]             

627
00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:35,938
     This is what it feels like     

628
00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:40,032
       to fail at that level.       

629
00:29:40,069 --> 00:29:42,239
          Back up, please.          
              Back up.              

630
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,278
     [Linda] It happened so fast    
        that I actually said,       

631
00:29:45,325 --> 00:29:48,785
   okay, I think I'll try to make   
    a plane flight for that night   

632
00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:50,748
    because there's nothing left    
         for me to do here.         

633
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,039
          And that was it.          

634
00:29:52,081 --> 00:29:53,711
      [Donna] It was difficult      
              to judge              

635
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,000
   what the verdict was gonna be.   

636
00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:56,713
       And then when he wasn't      
             convicted,             

637
00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:58,843
          I just, you know,         
      didn't know what to say.      

638
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,010
          It was horrible.          

639
00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:02,838
            It was second           
         only to her murder.        

640
00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:06,184
     [woman] After five months,     
       more than 70 witnesses,      

641
00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:09,811
      and hundreds of exhibits,     
     Phil Spector's murder trial    

642
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:11,639
         ends in a deadlock.        

643
00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:14,484
         [cameras clicking]         

644
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,315
       Five and a half months       
          of sitting there          

645
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,449
          listening to this         
            day after day           

646
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:27,657
        about your daughter,        
      your sister, is horrific.     

647
00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:32,655
      Is this really Hollywood?     
     Did that just happen again?    

648
00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:38,668
     We were hoping for closure.    

649
00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:41,171
      We were hoping for, um...     

650
00:30:42,131 --> 00:30:43,681
             some peace.            

651
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,012
         And we were denied.        

652
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:49,724
      This is the video just in     

653
00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:51,104
       of the Alhambra castle       

654
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:53,560
       just after the mistrial      
            was declared.           

655
00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:57,561
       It is Rachelle and Phil      
       dancing a bit of a jig.      

656
00:30:57,605 --> 00:30:59,895
         [Rod] I was at home        
    and I was watching the news.    

657
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,731
       I see a helicopter shot      

658
00:31:01,776 --> 00:31:03,026
         of Spector's house,        

659
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,069
         and his wife and he        

660
00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:07,033
          are doing a jig,          
           jumping around,          

661
00:31:07,073 --> 00:31:09,783
       and just acting like...      

662
00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:13,076
            Well, I mean,           
      talk about inappropriate.     

663
00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:18,841
    [Alan] You know, people talk    
       about salt in a wound.       

664
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,667
      I've never wanted to put      
        a brick through a TV        

665
00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:22,592
         so bad in my life.         

666
00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:27,928
      I do remember one thing.      

667
00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:31,179
     Somebody stuck a microphone    
        in my face and said,        

668
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,142
     "What are you gonna do now,    
            Mr. Jackson?            

669
00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:36,853
    Are you gonna try him again?"   

670
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,805
        And I don't remember        
      anything else that I said     

671
00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:41,976
         other than I looked        
        right at the reporter       

672
00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:45,315
        and said, "I will try       
           this case again          

673
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:49,531
          every single time         
      until justice is served."     

674
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,963
          [Nili] Thank God          
          for Alan Jackson.         

675
00:31:56,998 --> 00:32:01,128
     Thank God that he decided,     
       like a dog with a bone,      

676
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:02,959
           that he was not          
          gonna let it go.          

677
00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:05,304
        No matter your fame,        
           or your wealth,          

678
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:10,390
     or your supposed celebrity,    
        you will stand trial,       

679
00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:13,218
     and you will be accountable    
          for your actions.         

680
00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:17,352
     Alan came right up to me--     
   Alan Jackson, the prosecutor--   

681
00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:18,603
    and said we're gonna retrial.   

682
00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,555
    And he petitioned immediately   
         for another trial.         

683
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:23,565
      [Alan] We had blueprinted     
           the first case.          

684
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:24,978
   We knew what the evidence was,   

685
00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:27,066
   we knew what the fact witnesses 
           were gonna say,          

686
00:32:27,111 --> 00:32:29,071
            we knew what            
   the experts were going to say.   

687
00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:31,283
        We knew how they had        
        testified previously.       

688
00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:33,084
           We didn't do it          
          much differently.         

689
00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:35,367
         What was different         
        was the defense team.       

690
00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:37,211
           Even if the gun          
        went in accidentally,       

691
00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:38,496
           it would go in           
          with some force.          

692
00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:42,129
        At the second trial,        
   he just had one main attorney.   

693
00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:44,668
    He didn't have all the group    
         that he had before.        

694
00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:46,302
                None.               
          Not a contusion,          

695
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,509
      not an abrasion, nothing.     

696
00:32:47,548 --> 00:32:49,128
         [Rod] Phil Spector         
           prided himself           

697
00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:50,965
            on, you know,           
           being that guy,          

698
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:53,600
       being the guy that had       
       all the big attorneys,       

699
00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:54,968
        all the big experts.        

700
00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:57,144
          But I think at--          
      during the second trial,      

701
00:32:57,183 --> 00:33:01,353
   he didn't quite have that same   
          legal dream team.         

702
00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:04,186
    There was a new defense team.   

703
00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:07,322
            And you know,           
         I know that Phillip        

704
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,530
           was so unhappy           
      with his representation.      

705
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:12,910
 I felt very bad that I could not 
        try the second case.        

706
00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:14,529
       But I had been so sick,      
          there was no way          

707
00:33:14,575 --> 00:33:17,325
   I was gonna do a second trial.   
           Couldn't do it.          

708
00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,207
               [Mick]               
        I think by this point       

709
00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:21,958
         Phil was seriously         
         hemorrhaging money.        

710
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,840
               I mean,              
    seriously hemorrhaging money.   

711
00:33:25,044 --> 00:33:27,054
       The second trial was--       

712
00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:29,298
          it almost passed          
         as an afterthought.        

713
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,510
    All the celebrity had drained   
             out of it.             

714
00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:33,011
          All the-- kind of         
         the media interest         

715
00:33:33,052 --> 00:33:34,392
       had drained out of it.       

716
00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:36,929
        [Donna] There wasn't        
   as many people in the audience   

717
00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,393
          trying to get in,         
       'cause the first trial,      

718
00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:42,273
   people were in line at the door 
   with numbers waiting to get in. 

719
00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:44,361
       Well, it wasn't as much      
            of a circus.            

720
00:33:44,397 --> 00:33:46,067
              You know,             
       it was a little calmer.      

721
00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:48,067
      Like I said, it was just      
          the one attorney          

722
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:49,689
         and his secretary,         
            or assistant,           

723
00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:53,486
        and then a gentleman        
     that ran his audio-visual.     

724
00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:55,581
         If Phillip Spector         
      had shot Lana Clarkson...     

725
00:33:55,616 --> 00:33:58,326
     [Alan] The defense attorney    
       who took over the case       

726
00:33:58,369 --> 00:34:03,209
         was far more sober         
      about the type of defense     

727
00:34:03,249 --> 00:34:04,499
        he wanted to put on.        

728
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:07,842
           It didn't have           
          all of the glitz          

729
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:10,209
     that the first defense had.    

730
00:34:10,256 --> 00:34:13,676
      He pared everything down,     
      and that's why the trial      

731
00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:14,888
     didn't last nearly as long.    

732
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:16,677
           By that point,           
     that was the second trial,     

733
00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:17,931
      and I was like, you know,     

734
00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:19,682
         I had learned to be        
            really tough            

735
00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:22,274
           and accept what          
       they were trying to do,      

736
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,600
       and not let it turn me       
           into a weeper,           

737
00:34:24,645 --> 00:34:26,805
       or a monster, you know.      
             [chuckles]             

738
00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:28,726
    Just try to keep my dignity.    

739
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:31,686
    I didn't know what to think,    
            and you know,           

740
00:34:31,736 --> 00:34:34,656
        I was just, you know,       
      holding my breath again.      

741
00:34:34,697 --> 00:34:37,617
    Right at that moment, you see   
       the driver walk over...      

742
00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:41,748
         I was trepidatious,        
    to say the least, obviously,    

743
00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:45,628
 having gone through the crucible 
         of a second trial.         

744
00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:48,416
      We put on as good a case      
            as we could.            

745
00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:50,961
       We closed the case out       
       as strong as we could.       

746
00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:54,375
          I wasn't trusting         
         anything to chance.        

747
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,304
         [Nili] I was there         
          for the verdict,          

748
00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:02,096
   and it was one of those moments 
            in your life            

749
00:35:02,141 --> 00:35:05,231
          that you just...          
         you don't breathe.         

750
00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:08,109
         [cameras clicking,         
       photographers shouting]      

751
00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:14,607
    When I finally got the call,    
        it was very different       

752
00:35:14,654 --> 00:35:16,534
         than the last time         
       I got a call like that.      

753
00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:17,912
           It wasn't just,          
         "Show up to court,"        

754
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:21,909
       it was, "Alan, get back      
   to court, they have a verdict." 

755
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,004
        [man] Remain seated,        
    come to order, department 106   

756
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,379
         is now in session,         
 the Honorable Larry Paul Fidler, 

757
00:35:27,416 --> 00:35:28,496
          judge presiding.          

758
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:30,043
             All right,             
       in the Spector matter,       

759
00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:31,376
   he's present with his counsel.   

760
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,380
        [woman] We, the jury,       
    in the above entitled action,   

761
00:35:33,422 --> 00:35:35,682
         find the defendant,        
          Phillip Spector,          

762
00:35:35,716 --> 00:35:38,176
         guilty of the crime        
       of second-degree murder      

763
00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,219
          of Lana Clarkson.         

764
00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:41,683
   We further find the allegation   

765
00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:44,642
       that in the commission       
        of the above offense,       

766
00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:46,354
           said defendant,          
          Phillip Spector,          

767
00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:47,944
     personally used a firearm,     

768
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:49,479
          to wit: handgun,          
         within the meaning         

769
00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:53,782
        of Penal Code Section       
      12022.5(a)(1) to be true.     

770
00:35:58,364 --> 00:36:00,494
        Yes, I felt justice.        

771
00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:05,538
          [Susan Michelson]         
            I remember...           

772
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,580
             [chuckles]             
          feeling ecstatic          

773
00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:12,003
          that he was going         
       to finally pay for it,       

774
00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:14,764
           and be in jail,          
         and off the street         

775
00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:16,967
       where he couldn't harm       
            someone else.           

776
00:36:22,597 --> 00:36:24,557
    [Kim Gregory] It was relief.    

777
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,939
            Alan Jackson,           
       just amazing attorney,       

778
00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,397
           and did so well          

779
00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,568
         navigating through         
           two huge trials          

780
00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:35,898
      to be the first celebrity     
             that's been            

781
00:36:35,943 --> 00:36:38,073
    put away in years, you know?    

782
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,995
     I was actually on the phone    
           with my mother,          

783
00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,498
      and I turned the TV off,      

784
00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:49,999
       and I made her tell me       

785
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:51,041
           what they said.          

786
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:55,843
          We were both just         
     complete messes after that.    

787
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:03,434
        [Donna] I wasn't sure       
     how to feel, what to think.    

788
00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:06,351
         I was still feeling        
          quite emotional.          

789
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,520
   I just knew that we had gotten   
          a guilty verdict,         

790
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,599
      and it was a good thing,      
       and that now we could,       

791
00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,935
       you know, move forward.      

792
00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:19,276
   [Carol Connors] I don't believe 
      that Phil really believed     

793
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,240
       that he was ever going       
          to be convicted.          

794
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,492
     Phil just couldn't conceive    

795
00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:28,325
    that here, he'd done so much    

796
00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:29,581
          and accomplished,         

797
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,462
         and was the genius         
          of rock and roll,         

798
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,709
 and the Hall of Fame, and Phil-- 

799
00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:35,921
              "And me?              
      I'm going to go to jail?"     

800
00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:39,762
      I don't think Phil could      
     conceive that in his head.     

801
00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:43,635
      [Judge Fidler] Thank you.     

802
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:45,468
     We're here for sentencing.     

803
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,273
    I've received the following,    

804
00:37:47,306 --> 00:37:50,476
     the defendant is sentenced     
           to the term of,          

805
00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:54,268
          required by law,          
        of 19 years to life.        

806
00:38:03,406 --> 00:38:06,866
        [Mick] Was sentenced        
        to 19 years to life.        

807
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:12,330
   He was taken to Corcoran Prison 
       in upstate California.       

808
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:14,923
          [fence rattling]          

809
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,169
          And that was it.          

810
00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:21,972
           I think anyone           
   should be absolutely terrified   

811
00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:22,968
        if they go to prison.       

812
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,719
       I think a man in his--       
        what was he, late 60s       

813
00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:29,312
       who's got mental health      
            complications           

814
00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:32,638
              that need             
        frequent tending to,        

815
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:35,685
      they should be terrified.     

816
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:39,150
      Extra terrified, I guess.     
             And he was.            

817
00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:45,073
   [Mick] And then these pictures   
    came out, the prison pictures   

818
00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:48,534
   of suddenly, shockingly Spector 
         stripped of his wig        

819
00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:51,746
        looking like a very,        
            very old man.           

820
00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:54,747
      Shrunken, wizened figure,     
           balding figure           

821
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:57,840
        with strands of hair,       
          looking terrible,         

822
00:38:57,877 --> 00:39:00,337
        and looking pathetic,       
       and looking like a con,      

823
00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:02,169
        which is what he was.       

824
00:39:02,923 --> 00:39:04,683
   [Jeff Barry] It must have been   
           awfully painful          

825
00:39:04,717 --> 00:39:06,337
       to him to be in prison       

826
00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:08,675
       without his hairpiece.       

827
00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:14,686
      Really feeling, you know,     
       sorry for him in that--      

828
00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:18,807
      in what he must have had      
       to endure, knowing him.      

829
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:20,686
      [man] Barred from seeing      
        her husband in prison       

830
00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:23,443
   until a classification process   
             has passed,            

831
00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,446
         Rachelle says Phil         
         wrote her a letter         

832
00:39:25,488 --> 00:39:27,988
        describing in detail        
           the conditions           

833
00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:29,582
   under which he was being held.   

834
00:39:29,617 --> 00:39:32,617
         "Rachelle dearest,         
           it's hell here.          

835
00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:36,121
        "The first four days        
       I was on suicide watch       

836
00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:38,745
   and slept naked on the floor."   

837
00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,086
        I talk to him through       
    a bulletproof piece of glass    

838
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:43,920
            on the phone.           

839
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,554
            And he's down           
      to less than 130 pounds,      

840
00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:48,552
          and he's sitting          
            in a 5x9 cell           

841
00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:50,854
         23 1/2 hours a day.        

842
00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:52,768
              You know,             
       Rachelle was the person      

843
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:57,397
        who visited him most,       
    and she didn't really, um...    

844
00:39:58,771 --> 00:40:02,901
 I don't think she was a huge fan 
           of me visiting.          

845
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:07,111
   That's just my interpretation,   
          maybe I'm wrong.          

846
00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:09,744
   It would be good if I'm wrong,   
      'cause I would, you know,     

847
00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:13,202
    I would hope that she didn't    
 have negative feelings about me. 

848
00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:16,832
      [Rachelle] I mean, I feel     
        like I'm on a mission       

849
00:40:16,872 --> 00:40:18,582
             for testing            
       my husband's innocence,      

850
00:40:18,624 --> 00:40:21,004
         restoring his name,        
           honor, legend.           

851
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:23,753
         This is far greater        
       and a bigger challenge       

852
00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:24,956
        than I ever imagined.       

853
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:26,665
       [man] "Showbiz Tonight"      
        brings you the woman        

854
00:40:26,715 --> 00:40:29,255
      who has stood right there     
             by his side            

855
00:40:29,301 --> 00:40:31,301
      insisting he is innocent.     

856
00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:32,635
          Thank you so much         
        for taking some time        

857
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,890
         -with us, Rachelle.        
             -Thank you.            

858
00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:38,272
     It was clear that Rachelle,    
     who had gone to great pains    

859
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,480
         to stress her love         
          for Phil Spector          

860
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,611
      and her continued loyalty     
          to Phil Spector,          

861
00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:45,438
       at the same time, she--      
     you know, she was pursuing     

862
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,654
         a life of her own,         
          and this involved         

863
00:40:47,695 --> 00:40:50,525
       buying a small aircraft      
          and spending time         

864
00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:51,993
       on the Adriatic Coast,       
            and you know,           

865
00:40:52,032 --> 00:40:54,912
     doing what any young woman     
       of considerable means,       

866
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,792
       which is what she was,       
      on Phil Spector's money.      

867
00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:00,501
      My favorite car to drive      

868
00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:02,421
       is the one I designed,       
            my Smart car.           

869
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:03,840
           [male reporter]          
     The tricked-out Smart car,     

870
00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:07,588
       a new home for her mom       
        back in Beaver Falls.       

871
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:09,841
       They did get divorced.       

872
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:14,014
      I basically divorced her      
    in that I was my dad's proxy    

873
00:41:14,054 --> 00:41:16,564
          who divorced her          
     while he was incarcerated.     

874
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:17,929
       You know, I don't think      
             it was one             

875
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:21,685
   that she anticipated or wanted. 

876
00:41:21,729 --> 00:41:25,819
         I have, you know...        

877
00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:30,283
        I've-- my perspective       
      maybe isn't the best one      

878
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:34,371
    to go with, because you know,   
    you see dark sides of people.   

879
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:40,040
   There are periods where my dad   
        didn't want visitors.       

880
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,620
          He would just get         
       real down in the dumps,      

881
00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:43,875
        and just didn't feel        
        like dealing with it.       

882
00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:48,298
      You know, it's quite hard     
      to be visited in prison.      

883
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,759
   You have to get strip-searched, 

884
00:41:49,798 --> 00:41:51,588
    and you're in a crowded room,   

885
00:41:51,634 --> 00:41:53,804
    it's hot, it's uncomfortable.   

886
00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:56,974
       It's really laborious.       

887
00:41:57,014 --> 00:42:01,944
     [Mick] As far as I'm aware,    
    Spector didn't want visitors    

888
00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:05,147
      other than his daughter,      
            his lawyers.            

889
00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:06,519
    There were no famous friends,   

890
00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:09,025
        none of the musicians       
        who worked with him,        

891
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:12,528
         none of the people         
     who'd sat around his table     

892
00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:14,871
     sharing jokes and listening    
           to his stories.          

893
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,254
       [Paul Shaffer] I never       
       visited him in prison,       

894
00:42:20,287 --> 00:42:21,407
        although I wanted to.       

895
00:42:21,455 --> 00:42:24,375
     And I called him and I said    
       I'd like to visit Phil,      

896
00:42:24,416 --> 00:42:26,496
      now that he's in prison.      

897
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,254
         There's a protocol         
       you have to go through.      

898
00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:32,465
     You have to write a letter,    
      they have to assure the--     

899
00:42:32,508 --> 00:42:34,388
       whoever runs the prison      

900
00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:36,256
      that they want the visit.     

901
00:42:36,303 --> 00:42:40,103
     And word came back from him    
   that Phil doesn't want a visit. 

902
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:43,350
           I just thought,          
         what a horrible...         

903
00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:46,395
         fate for a legend.         

904
00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:48,358
         You know, what more        
            can one say?            

905
00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:52,109
    I tried to send some letters,   
    but they wouldn't accept 'em.   

906
00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:54,072
        So, they'd come back.       

907
00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:57,783
            I was so sad.           
           It was so sad.           

908
00:43:00,703 --> 00:43:02,873
         [Nicole] I will say        
      he was incredibly strong,     

909
00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:06,753
    much stronger than we thought   
     he would be, and resilient.    

910
00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:08,882
      I think that in some ways     

911
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:11,589
     he was trying to protect me    
            a little bit.           

912
00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:15,798
    I learned that he got COVID,    

913
00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:19,053
         I wanna say, like,         
            mid-December?           

914
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:21,216
     Early-- maybe a little bit     
              earlier.              

915
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,057
      Another inmate called me.     

916
00:43:25,102 --> 00:43:27,982
        He was like my dad's        
        unofficial caregiver.       

917
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,612
      And he called me at night     
     from the same phone number     

918
00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:32,899
            my dad used,            
          a payphone there,         

919
00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:36,783
    and he said, "They just took    
            your dad away           

920
00:43:36,822 --> 00:43:39,032
        "in a-- in a gurney,        

921
00:43:39,074 --> 00:43:40,994
           and he's having          
         trouble breathing."        

922
00:43:41,035 --> 00:43:45,955
     And I was just hysterical,     
       I was a complete mess.       

923
00:43:52,504 --> 00:43:54,844
           Ten days go by,          
             he calls me            

924
00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,302
     and he's like, "I made it,     
      I made it through COVID."     

925
00:43:57,343 --> 00:44:01,103
        He sounded horrible,        
     but he's, like, telling me     

926
00:44:01,138 --> 00:44:04,518
   that, like, he's gonna be okay, 
             he beat it.            

927
00:44:06,101 --> 00:44:07,771
      You know, I was so happy      
          to hear from him,         

928
00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,691
    and I was so happy to be able   
 to tell him how much I loved him 

929
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:12,020
       and all of that stuff.       

930
00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:15,316
     But something just told me,    
     like, this isn't over yet.     

931
00:44:17,112 --> 00:44:21,992
       And then, on Christmas,      
          on his birthday,          

932
00:44:22,034 --> 00:44:25,254
            he called me,           
          and he was like,          

933
00:44:25,287 --> 00:44:27,787
      "I'm really, really sick.     
          I can't breathe."         

934
00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:29,791
      He couldn't stop coughing     
            on the phone.           

935
00:44:29,833 --> 00:44:32,093
 And he made a joke, he was like, 
       "I just had to tell you      

936
00:44:32,127 --> 00:44:34,127
      I thought I was gonna die     
          on my birthday."          

937
00:44:34,171 --> 00:44:36,381
        And he said it like--       
         he tried to laugh.         

938
00:44:36,423 --> 00:44:40,513
      And I tried to laugh too,     
     but he sounded so horrible.    

939
00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:47,644
            He, you know,           
      then he died on the 16th.     

940
00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:51,895
         And I was with him,        
      so that's... that's good.     

941
00:45:05,285 --> 00:45:07,995
          [birds chirping]          

942
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:16,087
        I'm often asked if...       
         justice was served         

943
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:19,090
          with the verdict          
        in the Spector case.        

944
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:24,813
      He got his day in court,      
    and he got his just desserts.   

945
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:28,387
           But can justice          
        ever quite be served        

946
00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:30,064
      when Lana is still dead?      

947
00:45:34,523 --> 00:45:38,493
      I don't think, in a way,      
            that humanity           

948
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:41,447
   has ever been properly restored 
      in this story, you know.      

949
00:45:41,488 --> 00:45:46,698
       That she's been forever      
    the washed-up B-movie actress   

950
00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:48,454
          who was murdered          
          by Phil Spector,          

951
00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:52,115
       you know, and her life       
 has been-- has been disregarded, 

952
00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:55,916
    her life has been overlooked,   
        her life has been...        

953
00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:58,711
          has been sort of          
      slightly forgotten about.     

954
00:46:03,177 --> 00:46:05,887
          I wanted to know          
         who this woman was,        

955
00:46:05,929 --> 00:46:08,269
         and I wanted to pay        
         my respects to her.        

956
00:46:10,267 --> 00:46:12,937
      And so, I went to Lana's      
        final resting place,        

957
00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:15,438
             which is at            
   the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, 

958
00:46:15,481 --> 00:46:19,151
         where a lot of old         
     Hollywood stars are buried.    

959
00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:20,693
         You know, she lived        
            in Hollywood,           

960
00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:21,896
     and she died in Hollywood,     

961
00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:25,025
        and she always wanted       
         to be in Hollywood.        

962
00:46:25,073 --> 00:46:26,873
        So, there's something       
            very poignant           

963
00:46:26,909 --> 00:46:28,449
    about her final resting place   

964
00:46:28,494 --> 00:46:31,334
        in the resting place        
       of the stars, you know.      

965
00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:35,791
      And she is there the star     
    that she always wanted to be.   

966
00:46:41,006 --> 00:46:42,716
               Sunny!               

967
00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:45,008
           Hi, sweetheart.          

968
00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,222
     Hey, darling, how are you?     

969
00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:48,431
               -Good.               
          -Nice to see you.         

970
00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:50,845
          Nice to see you.          

971
00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:52,101
       Oh, you look gorgeous,       
             as always.             

972
00:46:52,142 --> 00:46:56,102
     [Nili] We would always get     
    together on Lana's birthday,    

973
00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:59,226
   and almost always get together   

974
00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:01,444
         on the anniversary         
           of her passing.          

975
00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:04,695
        -We miss you, honey.        
      -Aw, we miss you so much.     

976
00:47:04,738 --> 00:47:06,568
               -We do.              
          -And we love you.         

977
00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:08,025
          We love you too.          

978
00:47:09,409 --> 00:47:14,159
        There's a core of us        
    that continually remember...    

979
00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:17,674
          [choking person]          
       that wonderful person.       

980
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:24,220
                Yeah.               
           [clicks tongue]          

981
00:47:24,258 --> 00:47:25,678
                 Mm.                

982
00:47:28,887 --> 00:47:34,057
      She made people feel good     
     in whatever way she could.     

983
00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:37,521
    And she had an extraordinary    
         ability to do that.        

984
00:47:41,233 --> 00:47:43,783
            [choking up]            
        She's dearly missed.        

985
00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:45,529
          [exhales sharply]         

986
00:47:55,581 --> 00:47:57,081
               Sorry.               

987
00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:12,928
          [Alan] This town          
       does things to people.       

988
00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:14,523
          There's the glitz         
           and the glamor,          

989
00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:17,728
      and then there's a darker     
      underbelly of Hollywood.      

990
00:48:19,646 --> 00:48:21,106
          And that's Phil.          

991
00:48:23,817 --> 00:48:26,777
   [Carol] Phil was a star maker.   

992
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:29,950
         People will not go         
            against that.           

993
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:33,990
           They want to be          
       in that sort of realm.       

994
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,576
       I doubt very much that       
    there were people around Phil   

995
00:48:36,622 --> 00:48:40,132
     who might have steered him     
      in a different direction      

996
00:48:40,167 --> 00:48:43,997
          or dissuaded him          
      from some of his actions.     

997
00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:46,966
          I don't know who.         
        Certainly not myself.       

998
00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:49,887
   The Phil I know, it might have   
       provoked him even more.      

999
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:53,467
          So, I don't think         
    he could have been deterred.    

1000
00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:57,351
       When someone is allowed      

1001
00:48:57,392 --> 00:49:01,402
     or does swing a gun around     
             that often,            

1002
00:49:01,438 --> 00:49:05,728
          there's that risk         
     that something could happen    

1003
00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:07,236
        and it could go off.        

1004
00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,197
        It's not inevitable,        
        but it's predictable        

1005
00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:12,908
    that there's that possibility   
          of it happening.          

1006
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:14,530
 And it should have been stopped. 

1007
00:49:14,576 --> 00:49:17,536
          But she was alone         
        in his house with him       

1008
00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:20,709
       with a driver outside,       
         where she expected,        

1009
00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:22,709
    "I'm safe, there's a driver.    

1010
00:49:22,751 --> 00:49:27,301
       This guy is a small guy      
    and I'm a big, strong girl."    

1011
00:49:29,257 --> 00:49:32,007
   She had no reason to anticipate 

1012
00:49:32,052 --> 00:49:34,222
       that anything untoward       
            would happen.           

1013
00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:37,392
       For me, the thing that       
   I wanna take for a whole life,   

1014
00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:39,312
     that I could not save her,     
          you know, I mean,         

1015
00:49:39,351 --> 00:49:42,311
         if I knew that he--        
       I'm gonna swear to God,      

1016
00:49:42,354 --> 00:49:44,864
            I never heard           
         anything about him,        

1017
00:49:44,898 --> 00:49:46,318
     this kind of thing happen.     

1018
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,648
     You know, I tried to think     
        about something else,       

1019
00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:52,816
      you know, like, I mean...     

1020
00:49:58,954 --> 00:50:00,714
        I don't blame myself,       
             but again,             

1021
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,827
       like, I could save her,      
       you know, and I didn't.      

1022
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:06,708
         He had a whole life        
       where people couldn't--      

1023
00:50:06,753 --> 00:50:07,803
       wouldn't say no to him.      

1024
00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:09,918
   [man] Here is Mr. Phil Spector. 

1025
00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:12,335
             [applause]             

1026
00:50:13,176 --> 00:50:17,926
   [Vikram] I think that combined   
     with his childhood trauma,     

1027
00:50:17,973 --> 00:50:20,773
    then the success that he had,   

1028
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:23,019
         too early, really,         
           to process it,           

1029
00:50:23,061 --> 00:50:27,401
           you get locked           
   into a sense of exceptionalism. 

1030
00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:30,281
      Understand, now Goldwater     
     had trouble with this too.     

1031
00:50:30,318 --> 00:50:34,108
         I think the tragedy        
              for Lana              

1032
00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:36,696
     was it was a perfect storm.    

1033
00:50:36,742 --> 00:50:42,212
      She slipped into the path     

1034
00:50:42,247 --> 00:50:46,127
        of this toxic culture       

1035
00:50:46,168 --> 00:50:47,588
     that Phil was an avatar of.    

1036
00:50:47,627 --> 00:50:54,007
       Were it not for timing,      
      Lana would still be here.     

1037
00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:00,223
               [Phil]               
        You know, timing is--       

1038
00:51:00,265 --> 00:51:04,895
      is the key to everything.     

1039
00:51:08,857 --> 00:51:10,897
            Call it fate.           

1040
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:14,741
          That is the key,          
      but timing is essential.      

1041
00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:18,952
     There's an element of luck     
           in everything,           

1042
00:51:18,992 --> 00:51:21,452
          in who you are...         

1043
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,250
           where you are,           
            what you are.           

1044
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:27,420
        But I call it timing.       

1045
00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:33,296
               [Mick]               
      Will he be remembered for     

1046
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:34,630
            "You've Lost            
        That Lovin' Feelin'"        

1047
00:51:34,674 --> 00:51:37,844
          and "Be My Baby,"         
      or will he be remembered      

1048
00:51:37,886 --> 00:51:40,426
    for murdering Lana Clarkson?    

1049
00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:49,817
          He was brilliant,         
            and he was...           

1050
00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:52,606
     he was not what he became.     

1051
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:56,449
          It's so strange.          

1052
00:52:06,915 --> 00:52:10,955
    He brought music from heaven    

1053
00:52:11,002 --> 00:52:13,092
           into our world.          

1054
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,550
          I think we should         
          have fun with it.         

1055
00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:18,640
   I think we should fall in love   
               to it.               

1056
00:52:18,677 --> 00:52:22,307
             And I hope             
         that it will evolve        

1057
00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:25,517
       into something lighter       

1058
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,309
       and more magical again.      

1059
00:52:28,353 --> 00:52:31,313
       All I can say is that,       
              you know,             

1060
00:52:31,356 --> 00:52:33,646
             to know him            
           is to love him.          

1061
00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:41,828
 [Donna] The music was beautiful. 

1062
00:52:41,867 --> 00:52:46,247
   But then, personally, he seemed 
   like he had a lot of troubles.   

1063
00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:48,038
   He was a very troubled person.   

1064
00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,041
      And it's just really sad      
          that his troubles         

1065
00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:53,384
   came in contact with our Lana.   

1066
00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:05,019
      [Vikram] Should we throw      
           the song away?           

1067
00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:11,185
      Can we listen to the song     
    and not think of the murder?    

1068
00:53:19,112 --> 00:53:21,412
       I don't have a verdict.      

1069
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,950
        [Mick]   Did you worry        
         that being remembered       

1070
00:53:25,994 --> 00:53:30,294
      as-- as a kind of eccentric    
           sort of, you know,        

1071
00:53:30,332 --> 00:53:32,502
      -the reclusive eccentric...    
          -[Phil]   Maniacal.         

1072
00:53:32,542 --> 00:53:34,342
       [Mick]   Da-dum, da-dum,       
              maniacal...            

1073
00:53:34,377 --> 00:53:37,587
            [Phil]   Yeah.            
           That's why I say,         

1074
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:42,511
           let-- let history         
           speak for itself.         

1075
00:54:02,781 --> 00:54:06,871
        Daydreaming 'bout you      

1076
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:10,750
         So glad I found you       

1077
00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:14,539
        I was lost without you     

1078
00:54:14,584 --> 00:54:18,674
               I'll sing            
           a little louder          

1079
00:54:18,713 --> 00:54:22,593
         So glad I found you       

1080
00:54:22,634 --> 00:54:26,104
        I was lost without you     

1081
00:54:26,137 --> 00:54:30,637
               I'll sing            
           a little louder