1 00:00:01,584 --> 00:00:03,294             to filmmakers                   coming into his house.        2 00:00:03,336 --> 00:00:05,336           Until Mick Brown,                 he'd avoided interviews       3 00:00:05,380 --> 00:00:06,800          for about 30 years.         4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,010          You okay for water?         5 00:00:08,049 --> 00:00:10,219        But I sent him a note,              just half a page letter.       6 00:00:10,260 --> 00:00:14,220      And that night, amazingly,          I got back an email from him     7 00:00:14,264 --> 00:00:16,184        saying, "You sound like                 an honest person.          8 00:00:16,224 --> 00:00:17,814       Come over to the castle."      9 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:18,981         Okay, are you ready?         10 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:22,899       And I had a very friendly             conversation with Phil.       11 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:26,069         He certainly believed                  anything he said           12 00:00:26,109 --> 00:00:27,819        as he said it was true.       13 00:00:27,861 --> 00:00:29,821           I can go through                      the jury trial            14 00:00:29,863 --> 00:00:32,623    without any problem whatsoever.  15 00:00:32,657 --> 00:00:35,447    The only thing that concerns me          about the jury trial         16 00:00:35,493 --> 00:00:38,163        and getting through it                   is the verdict.           17 00:00:38,204 --> 00:00:41,464    Everything about the jury trial       doesn't concern me at all.      18 00:00:41,499 --> 00:00:43,839        I could get through it                   like a breeze.            19 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:45,707           It's the verdict                     that concerns me.          20 00:00:48,423 --> 00:00:52,093     We have a jury questionnaire             that they filled out,        21 00:00:52,135 --> 00:00:57,715       and 45% of 'em wrote down           they believed I was guilty.     22 00:00:59,184 --> 00:01:02,694            And 20% of 'em                  wrote down I was insane.       23 00:01:03,605 --> 00:01:06,065          I just hope we have                   a bunch of jurors          24 00:01:06,107 --> 00:01:07,977        that listen to the ev--       25 00:01:08,026 --> 00:01:10,146       we haven't told our story                 in four years.            26 00:01:10,195 --> 00:01:14,445      We have a very interesting,                    abrupt,               27 00:01:14,491 --> 00:01:19,001    honest, accurate story to tell    28 00:01:19,037 --> 00:01:23,247          that proves beyond                any question reasonable,       29 00:01:23,291 --> 00:01:25,791        possibility of a doubt,               that it is impossible        30 00:01:25,835 --> 00:01:28,955       for me to have been near            the deceased when she died.     31 00:01:29,005 --> 00:01:30,755               [gunshot]              32 00:01:33,176 --> 00:01:35,796                [music]               33 00:01:45,647 --> 00:01:49,477         Daydreaming 'bout you       34 00:01:49,526 --> 00:01:53,486          So glad I found you        35 00:01:53,530 --> 00:01:56,740         I was lost without you      36 00:01:56,783 --> 00:02:01,373                I'll sing                        a little louder           37 00:02:01,412 --> 00:02:05,132          So glad I found you        38 00:02:05,166 --> 00:02:08,746                I was lost                         without you             39 00:02:08,795 --> 00:02:12,965                I'll sing                        a little louder           40 00:02:33,653 --> 00:02:35,453     [Alan Jackson] When you walk               into a courtroom,          41 00:02:35,488 --> 00:02:37,568  you never know what you're gonna         get in terms of a jury.       42 00:02:37,615 --> 00:02:41,075       You don't know the person           who's going to be with you      43 00:02:41,119 --> 00:02:43,199     for the next several months,               or in some cases,          44 00:02:43,246 --> 00:02:44,996          next several years.         45 00:02:46,416 --> 00:02:48,326          When we prosecuted                      Phil Spector,            46 00:02:48,376 --> 00:02:54,216           we were hamstrung             with the idea that Phil Spector  47 00:02:54,257 --> 00:02:56,047      had written the soundtrack      48 00:02:56,092 --> 00:02:59,222        to many of the jurors'                    young lives.             49 00:02:59,262 --> 00:03:02,812      There were very few people             of age to be on a jury        50 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:06,979      who didn't know who he was         or didn't know his music well.    51 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:08,350       You can forget a person.       52 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:10,816        You never forget a song               if it speaks to you,         53 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:12,187          if it touches you.          54 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:15,396       His music and his genius                     had a way              55 00:03:15,445 --> 00:03:19,115     of infecting and infiltrating            sort of every fabric         56 00:03:19,157 --> 00:03:20,617  of a lot of those jurors' lives.  57 00:03:20,658 --> 00:03:22,238           And that was one                  of the real challenges.       58 00:03:22,285 --> 00:03:23,745      We were looking for jurors      59 00:03:23,786 --> 00:03:25,656          who were unaffected                   by his celebrity           60 00:03:25,705 --> 00:03:28,705        who would literally sit             in judgment of the facts.      61 00:03:31,336 --> 00:03:32,956            MAN: And mark.            62 00:03:33,004 --> 00:03:34,964      My name's Ricardo Enriquez.     63 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:36,586            I was a juror.            64 00:03:36,633 --> 00:03:38,183         I was actually juror                     number nine.             65 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:39,678           I had never heard                    of Phil Spector.           66 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:43,509        Matter of fact, I never          understood the deal with music.  67 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:48,726           So, when I heard               that he was a music producer,    68 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:51,560           I said, oh, well,                   never heard of him.         69 00:03:52,815 --> 00:03:54,685         But he was obviously                     the big deal,            70 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:57,114        and there was all these          news people all over the place,  71 00:03:57,153 --> 00:03:59,493       like a parade of cameras.      72 00:03:59,530 --> 00:04:03,280        Joining us now outside           the Los Angeles courthouse live  73 00:04:03,326 --> 00:04:05,786       is Court TV's Beth Karas,            who's covering this case.      74 00:04:05,828 --> 00:04:07,788        [Beth Harris] I covered               Phil Spector's trial         75 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:10,710                in 2007                    as a reporter for Court TV.     76 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:14,090     What happens when a celebrity        has to trade a seat like this    77 00:04:14,128 --> 00:04:15,418       for one in the courtroom?      78 00:04:15,463 --> 00:04:19,223          There's no question              that a celebrity defendant      79 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:21,889        increases the pressure                 on the prosecution.         80 00:04:21,928 --> 00:04:24,308          And in Los Angeles,                  with the acquittals         81 00:04:24,347 --> 00:04:27,347        of OJ and Robert Blake                     for murder,             82 00:04:27,392 --> 00:04:30,352           they had to prove                    that celebrities           83 00:04:30,395 --> 00:04:32,645        were not gonna get away                   with murder.             84 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:34,979          It was a big story                     in Los Angeles.           85 00:04:35,024 --> 00:04:36,614        It was televised daily.       86 00:04:36,651 --> 00:04:39,071     -Phil Spector murder trial...        -Phil Spector murder trial...    87 00:04:39,112 --> 00:04:40,032         Suspicion of murder.         88 00:04:40,071 --> 00:04:42,281       There's an air of danger               around Phil Spector.         89 00:04:42,323 --> 00:04:43,703           [man] A man with                    a violent history.          90 00:04:43,741 --> 00:04:45,621     [Nicole Spector] The way that        the media was portraying him     91 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:48,160       was someone who had this,      92 00:04:48,204 --> 00:04:50,334         you know, reputation.        93 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:51,583       Phil Spector could never       94 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:52,674            have done this.           95 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:54,419        He could never stand up       96 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:55,960           and shoot a girl           97 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:57,214       in the mouth with a gun.       98 00:04:57,255 --> 00:04:59,465      Where's my history of this?     99 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:02,757    How come for the last 40 years         you've never heard stories      100 00:05:02,802 --> 00:05:05,642        about me pointing a gun                in women's mouths,          101 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,350       blowing their heads open,               and shooting women?         102 00:05:09,392 --> 00:05:13,562               He seemed                   more internally distraught      103 00:05:13,604 --> 00:05:16,444      knowing that there was this           public perception of him       104 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:17,732           that wasn't true.          105 00:05:17,775 --> 00:05:20,185    That wasn't really who he was,    106 00:05:20,236 --> 00:05:22,656          especially not when                   I was growing up.          107 00:05:27,744 --> 00:05:31,874      My parents met in, I think             it was the end of '64.        108 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:36,594         My father was seeing              Ronnie Spector at the time.     109 00:05:36,627 --> 00:05:39,667    My mom was still in high school           and was a shopgirl          110 00:05:39,714 --> 00:05:42,264         on the Sunset Strip.         111 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:44,010      My dad was shopping there,      112 00:05:44,052 --> 00:05:47,432          and he was sort of              dancing around, being funny,     113 00:05:47,472 --> 00:05:51,352       and my mom thought like,             "Who is this little man?"      114 00:05:51,934 --> 00:05:54,904        He was asking her what             her favorite records were,      115 00:05:54,937 --> 00:06:00,527    and she cited "Da Doo Ron Ron,"     and she had no idea who he was.  116 00:06:00,568 --> 00:06:02,068        They were just sort of                  a couple of kids           117 00:06:02,111 --> 00:06:04,701         who found each other            and formed a great friendship,    118 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,079         and later a romantic                     relationship.            119 00:06:07,116 --> 00:06:09,156  With the record career now over,  120 00:06:09,202 --> 00:06:11,452           he sold the house                    in Beverly Hills           121 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:13,866        and he cut himself off           from a lot of his old friends,    122 00:06:13,915 --> 00:06:16,745         from a lot of his old                 rock and roll life,         123 00:06:16,793 --> 00:06:21,423       and relocated to Pasadena          and had children with Janis.     124 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:24,434      Growing up, it was just me,             my mother and my dad,        125 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:26,587     and my twin brother Phillip.     126 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:29,716        My dad was super funny,       127 00:06:29,764 --> 00:06:31,604         incredibly generous.         128 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:34,231      He was super, super smart.      129 00:06:34,268 --> 00:06:36,518           The greatest mind                    I've ever known.           130 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:38,562        He always challenged me                  intellectually,           131 00:06:38,606 --> 00:06:40,436    always spoke to me as an equal.  132 00:06:40,483 --> 00:06:43,613    We were very much a family unit           who lived together          133 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:45,863       and were really cohesive.      134 00:06:45,905 --> 00:06:48,235        I think he was devoted                 to these children,          135 00:06:48,282 --> 00:06:49,532         loved these children.        136 00:06:49,575 --> 00:06:51,785             I think Janis                       was a fantastic           137 00:06:51,828 --> 00:06:53,698         stabilizing influence                    on his life.             138 00:06:53,746 --> 00:06:55,826            He was somebody              who was really coming to terms    139 00:06:55,873 --> 00:06:59,503       with his mental illness,           which is what I think it was,    140 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:01,594       and it had been for many,                   many years.             141 00:07:01,629 --> 00:07:03,759  He was definitely sort of trying           to divorce himself          142 00:07:03,798 --> 00:07:05,928        from that chaotic past,       143 00:07:05,967 --> 00:07:07,797              and to try                    and find some stability,       144 00:07:07,844 --> 00:07:10,014         and to find some sort                    of sanctuary             145 00:07:10,054 --> 00:07:12,394          and some semblance                 of normal family life.        146 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:15,444     And then, tragedy intervenes.    147 00:07:16,727 --> 00:07:20,517       [Phil]   Nicole is a twin,                 and her brother died        148 00:07:20,565 --> 00:07:21,725             at 10 years old.          149 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:27,534        And... and it's been hard.              It's been really hard.       150 00:07:27,572 --> 00:07:30,122       [Mick] Phillip, his son,                dies from leukemia,         151 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:33,698       and that just pushes Phil            completely over the edge.      152 00:07:33,744 --> 00:07:35,044      He just couldn't handle it,     153 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:38,419    and he really alienated himself         and sort of shut down.        154 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,880          [Phil]   Nicole and I                   went through a lot.         155 00:07:40,918 --> 00:07:43,918             She lost a twin                      and I lost a son.          156 00:07:45,465 --> 00:07:47,255               You know,                       when you're a twin,         157 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:50,970    you're kind of like, you know,         always looked at as a unit.     158 00:07:51,012 --> 00:07:52,932      You're not really looked at                as individuals.           159 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:55,682           To have one half                  and not the other half,       160 00:07:55,725 --> 00:07:57,805     everything really fell apart.    161 00:07:57,852 --> 00:08:00,022             He moved back                    to New York briefly,         162 00:08:00,062 --> 00:08:02,982       we stayed in Los Angeles,                 and my parents            163 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:05,904          just couldn't make           their relationship work anymore.  164 00:08:05,943 --> 00:08:08,953      [Phil]   All my close friends               throughout my life--        165 00:08:08,988 --> 00:08:13,158        Lenny Bruce, John Lennon,            passed on, and I lost them.     166 00:08:13,201 --> 00:08:17,711        And so, I-- all the people            I could talk to were gone.     167 00:08:17,747 --> 00:08:22,377            So, I just sort of                  struggled along alone.       168 00:08:23,836 --> 00:08:25,456               I don't know                    where I would have been       169 00:08:25,505 --> 00:08:26,915       if little Phillip had lived.    170 00:08:26,964 --> 00:08:29,804         My life might have been                completely different,        171 00:08:29,842 --> 00:08:31,682       although so-- I don't know,     172 00:08:31,719 --> 00:08:34,469            I might have been                    a different person.         173 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:36,894           Phillip dying...           174 00:08:38,601 --> 00:08:41,691         finally persuaded him                     that life--             175 00:08:41,729 --> 00:08:44,399       living is being in hell.       176 00:08:46,275 --> 00:08:48,565      I'm not sure that anything      177 00:08:48,611 --> 00:08:51,201             threw him off                    the course he was on         178 00:08:51,239 --> 00:08:53,199       quite like his son dying.      179 00:08:55,701 --> 00:08:58,751      [Mick] All the old patterns        begin to reassert themselves--    180 00:08:58,788 --> 00:09:03,788        you know, the drinking,                  the craziness,            181 00:09:03,834 --> 00:09:05,714           the instability.           182 00:09:05,753 --> 00:09:08,093         [cheers and applause]        183 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:10,760       [male reporter]   In 1989,                 Spector was inducted        184 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,840          into the Rock and Roll                    Hall of Fame.            185 00:09:12,885 --> 00:09:15,635       He staggered onto the stage.    186 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,140           I don't get it, man.                    I don't get it.           187 00:09:18,182 --> 00:09:21,352        He's gotta make a mess                   of everything.            188 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:24,694        He just can't help it.        189 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:27,530              ...walked away                     at the inauguration.        190 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:29,437            Can't help it.            191 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:32,235         [cheers and applause]        192 00:09:35,616 --> 00:09:39,196             Let's call it               the negative/dark side of Phil.  193 00:09:39,245 --> 00:09:42,535       It was almost inevitable.      194 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:45,631            I think anybody                   who created with him         195 00:09:45,668 --> 00:09:49,628        or socialized with him                     was exposed             196 00:09:49,672 --> 00:09:53,092             to that side                    of his brain function.        197 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:55,930              Personally,                    I didn't know anything        198 00:09:55,970 --> 00:09:58,810         about Phil Spector's              rather prolific reputation      199 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:00,638            in Los Angeles                      and in Hollywood.          200 00:10:00,683 --> 00:10:02,733         I think you had to be             a little bit of an insider      201 00:10:02,768 --> 00:10:04,898      in Hollywood to really know                  about that.             202 00:10:07,231 --> 00:10:09,731      Phil Spector had a pattern                  of behavior,             203 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:13,105      and there was really nobody        that was sort of immune to it.    204 00:10:14,071 --> 00:10:16,411     Especially not Lana Clarkson.    205 00:10:17,867 --> 00:10:20,447     [announcer] Are your windows              wasting your money?         206 00:10:23,831 --> 00:10:25,961         Oh, now that's nice.         207 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,040             [Nili Hudson]                 Lana was a working actress      208 00:10:28,085 --> 00:10:30,245           for the 20 years                     that I knew her.           209 00:10:30,296 --> 00:10:33,716         And in those 20 years                there were lean times        210 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:36,508    and there were abundant times.    211 00:10:37,011 --> 00:10:39,061           I do a little bit               of everything around here.      212 00:10:39,096 --> 00:10:44,056    In Hollywood there is a limited        shelf life for actresses.      213 00:10:44,101 --> 00:10:50,071       Lana knew that roles were          going to diminish over time.     214 00:10:50,107 --> 00:10:51,897  [Donna Clarkson] And in the '80s        she did a lot of sitcoms.      215 00:10:51,942 --> 00:10:53,742        No, no, no, easy, easy.       216 00:10:53,778 --> 00:10:55,318     [Donna] But during the '90s,     217 00:10:55,363 --> 00:10:57,663        she was preparing to go             in a different direction.      218 00:10:57,698 --> 00:10:59,618         You know, she started             doing a lot of commercials.     219 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:01,159         -We're the Jeffreys.                  -In from the coast.         220 00:11:01,202 --> 00:11:03,452       -How are you guys doing?                  -Never better.            221 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:05,536                 Pâté?                          It's from France.          222 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:07,921            [Donna] She did                    a beer commercial,          223 00:11:07,958 --> 00:11:10,338          Playtex commercial,                  the car commercial.         224 00:11:10,378 --> 00:11:13,258      She was starting to develop        all these different characters.  225 00:11:13,297 --> 00:11:14,217              Incredible.             226 00:11:14,256 --> 00:11:16,466         She was trying to do                a standup comedy thing,       227 00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:18,009    and she had written this show.    228 00:11:18,052 --> 00:11:19,602           I really thought               that I would have been great     229 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:21,097     during the studio system era,    230 00:11:21,138 --> 00:11:23,058               you know,                 like grooming you for stardom.    231 00:11:23,099 --> 00:11:24,349        I had the good fortune                     of working              232 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:26,772            with the lovely              Miss Esther Williams recently.    233 00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:28,231    She's amazing, and she told me    234 00:11:28,270 --> 00:11:31,190     all about those days at MGM,           how incredible they were.      235 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:33,482     Course, I probably would have              ended up starring          236 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:35,356           in Ed Wood films.                       [laughter]              237 00:11:35,403 --> 00:11:37,823          She had been trying                to really do good work,       238 00:11:37,863 --> 00:11:40,073         write, write, write,               just trying to figure out      239 00:11:40,116 --> 00:11:41,326      what to do with her career.     240 00:11:41,367 --> 00:11:44,247        And that happened to be           where she was at in her life.    241 00:11:44,286 --> 00:11:47,576      Lana decided that she's not             the ingenue anymore,         242 00:11:47,623 --> 00:11:49,133        and she's gonna produce       243 00:11:49,166 --> 00:11:51,996           her own showcase                that she had put together.      244 00:11:52,044 --> 00:11:54,384          [Donna] She came up                with "Lana Unleashed,"        245 00:11:54,422 --> 00:11:55,512          her one-woman show.         246 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:58,928  Roy is here this morning to make     a very important announcement.    247 00:11:58,968 --> 00:12:01,758          Good morning, Roy,                and welcome to the show.       248 00:12:01,804 --> 00:12:03,354      Yah, yah, Kathy, thank you.     249 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:06,639         The whole idea around                 producing this show         250 00:12:06,684 --> 00:12:08,734    was that you put this on tape,    251 00:12:08,769 --> 00:12:12,019       you send it to producers,            you send it to directors,      252 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:13,024        you send it to agents,        253 00:12:13,065 --> 00:12:15,435      and you hopefully get jobs                   out of it,              254 00:12:15,484 --> 00:12:18,034       and people start looking            at you in a different light     255 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:21,370     and start thinking about you         for different types of roles.    256 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:26,327     I think it was really one way                to stave off             257 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:28,040         the forced retirement                  that could happen          258 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,750      to a lot of young actresses                 in Hollywood.            259 00:12:30,791 --> 00:12:33,171            She got the old                      tin movie cans,           260 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:35,960      and she ended up lining it             with red velvet inside        261 00:12:36,005 --> 00:12:37,665            and cutting out                   where the video was,         262 00:12:37,715 --> 00:12:39,425         and a picture of her                     on the cover.            263 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:41,637         We all sent them out            to all these casting directors    264 00:12:41,677 --> 00:12:43,427  and producers over the holidays.  265 00:12:44,013 --> 00:12:45,973         [Nili] It was a huge                     investment--             266 00:12:46,015 --> 00:12:50,595             an investment                   of money, time, heart.        267 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:53,730    And then the accident happened.  268 00:12:55,941 --> 00:12:59,151              She was at                 some very dear friend's house.    269 00:12:59,195 --> 00:13:01,815     They were having a wonderful             Christmas Eve party.         270 00:13:01,864 --> 00:13:03,244            All the adults                     were out partying,          271 00:13:03,282 --> 00:13:06,372     and she was in the other room     with the children Irish dancing.  272 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:09,620            She was wearing                    six-inch stilettos.         273 00:13:10,748 --> 00:13:13,378      And the carpet slipped out                 from under her.           274 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:16,877        She put her hands back                 to brace her fall,          275 00:13:16,921 --> 00:13:19,921          and in the process                crushed both her wrists.       276 00:13:19,965 --> 00:13:23,135         It was catastrophic.         277 00:13:25,763 --> 00:13:27,063      When Lana broke her wrists,     278 00:13:27,097 --> 00:13:30,017     I think it took about a year                  to recover.             279 00:13:30,059 --> 00:13:31,309                [Nili]                      She couldn't do anything.      280 00:13:31,352 --> 00:13:32,902          She couldn't go on                      an interview.            281 00:13:32,937 --> 00:13:34,397    She couldn't even hold a phone.  282 00:13:34,438 --> 00:13:37,778          All of her efforts                  went down the drain.         283 00:13:40,402 --> 00:13:44,622         Lana was in a period                   of introspection           284 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:47,867       and a period of survival.      285 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:50,910       Not just, "How do I make            a living to pay the rent,"      286 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:54,875      but, "How do I reestablish                   my career?              287 00:13:54,917 --> 00:13:57,167            "How do I keep                     my name out there?          288 00:13:57,211 --> 00:13:58,841         What's next for me?"         289 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:02,339      She wasn't loving the idea            of getting a 9-to-5 job,       290 00:14:02,383 --> 00:14:05,853        but she wanted to work               at a place to be seen,        291 00:14:05,886 --> 00:14:08,306              and to see,                and to run into people she knew  292 00:14:08,347 --> 00:14:10,717    and let them know she was back.  293 00:14:10,766 --> 00:14:12,176         And that was the year                     that led up             294 00:14:12,226 --> 00:14:14,556        to her getting the job               at the House of Blues.        295 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,937        [Kim Gregory] My first                association with Lana        296 00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:24,026              was through                      the House of Blues,         297 00:14:24,071 --> 00:14:26,411    which was owned by Dan Aykroyd.  298 00:14:27,408 --> 00:14:30,158          The Foundation Room                   was the original           299 00:14:30,202 --> 00:14:31,872          of the Los Angeles          300 00:14:31,912 --> 00:14:33,872          high-end VIP rooms.         301 00:14:34,748 --> 00:14:35,958       I remember her coming in,      302 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,500       and I remember Lana says,               "I want that job."          303 00:14:40,296 --> 00:14:42,086      I'm like, what do you mean?                   What job?              304 00:14:42,131 --> 00:14:43,971        "I want that door job,        305 00:14:44,008 --> 00:14:46,048           'cause I'm gonna                     meet everybody."           306 00:14:46,093 --> 00:14:49,513            The whole thing              was a career move, essentially,  307 00:14:49,555 --> 00:14:53,725    to just see where she could get               another in              308 00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:56,307       to maybe a different job                 in entertainment.          309 00:14:56,353 --> 00:15:00,403        Lana always looked for            opportunities to meet people.    310 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:03,031        She just loved people,                  meeting anybody.           311 00:15:03,068 --> 00:15:06,198         And so, she knew that                 another opportunity         312 00:15:06,238 --> 00:15:08,408    was gonna be around the corner.  313 00:15:15,247 --> 00:15:19,167          Opening statements                 were April 25th, 2007.        314 00:15:19,209 --> 00:15:21,959          [cameras snapping]          315 00:15:22,004 --> 00:15:23,804      That's more than four years     316 00:15:23,839 --> 00:15:25,379          after Lana Clarkson                     was murdered.            317 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:28,264     Phil Spector's defense team,         they had unlimited resources.    318 00:15:28,302 --> 00:15:31,012            Robert Shapiro                was the lead defense attorney    319 00:15:31,055 --> 00:15:33,675          all the way through                    the indictment.           320 00:15:33,724 --> 00:15:34,854        But then at some point,       321 00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:36,692             Bruce Cutler                    became the lead counsel       322 00:15:36,727 --> 00:15:38,227     along with Linda Kenney Baden    323 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:40,360           and several other                 very talented lawyers.        324 00:15:40,397 --> 00:15:42,067     -[man] Excuse us, excuse us.          -[woman] Excuse us, folks.      325 00:15:42,107 --> 00:15:43,567       -[man] Excuse us, please.               -[woman] Get back.          326 00:15:43,609 --> 00:15:44,439           [man] Excuse us.           327 00:15:44,485 --> 00:15:47,025        It became really clear                     really fast             328 00:15:47,071 --> 00:15:49,991            that the person                   who wanted the trial         329 00:15:50,032 --> 00:15:52,242          to become a theater                   was Phil Spector.          330 00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:55,754       Never has there ever been         a defendant on trial for murder  331 00:15:55,788 --> 00:15:59,708      where everyone's attention          was not so much on the crime,    332 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:00,710           but on his hair.           333 00:16:00,751 --> 00:16:02,381    [woman] Phil Spector appearing           in an array of hairdos.       334 00:16:02,419 --> 00:16:05,549     [Vinnie] Spector's hairstyles         were the talk of his trial.     335 00:16:05,589 --> 00:16:07,969         Take a look at this.             This was the big one, folks.     336 00:16:08,008 --> 00:16:09,218         [Linda Kenney Baden]                  Being in Hollywood,         337 00:16:09,259 --> 00:16:10,509     everything is entertainment.     338 00:16:10,552 --> 00:16:12,512              But Phillip                     has a sense of humor.        339 00:16:12,554 --> 00:16:15,934  And he felt that they were gonna           be out to get him,          340 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,475            no matter what.           341 00:16:19,603 --> 00:16:22,233       [Alan] I think it was all              an effort to utilize         342 00:16:22,272 --> 00:16:25,692        this newfound celebrity                   and the trial            343 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:27,534     as his own personal theater.     344 00:16:29,905 --> 00:16:34,535              In my view,                    that was a vital error        345 00:16:34,576 --> 00:16:37,746      on the part of the defense              to allow Phil Spector        346 00:16:37,788 --> 00:16:39,288     to conduct himself this way,     347 00:16:39,331 --> 00:16:42,461            because to me,                it showed a lack of respect.     348 00:16:42,501 --> 00:16:46,301      The jurors were judging him                at every level,           349 00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:49,088        from the time he walks                 into the courtroom,         350 00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:52,433       how he sits in his chair,                 how he dresses.           351 00:16:52,469 --> 00:16:54,889          Every single moment                  in front of a jury          352 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:56,680       is a moment of judgment.       353 00:16:57,599 --> 00:17:00,229             I am not one,                     nor will I ever be,         354 00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:02,859           to have a client                    change their dress.         355 00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:04,106       This is Phillip Spector.       356 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,858     This is what he looked like,            this is how he dressed.       357 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:10,360            I want the jury                     to see who he is.          358 00:17:11,405 --> 00:17:13,235      [Vikram] I talked with him                 about his hair,           359 00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:15,912        and in fact, I thought             I'd shoot a shot about it.      360 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:17,871        I said, "What I'd like                    to do, Phil,             361 00:17:17,911 --> 00:17:22,331    "is you pile all your wig boxes     on that side and on that side,    362 00:17:22,374 --> 00:17:23,924            "and the camera                   will be locked down,         363 00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:25,289            "and you will,                     in your frock coat,         364 00:17:25,335 --> 00:17:28,755       "keep crossing the frame                in a different wig.         365 00:17:28,797 --> 00:17:31,217      That'll be a funny scene."      366 00:17:31,258 --> 00:17:34,718             And the room                went completely cold and scary.  367 00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:40,392            And Phil said,                        "What wigs?"             368 00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:44,862        And I said, "You've got              a lot of wigs, right?"        369 00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:48,567      And he said, "Who's been--         who have you been talking to?"    370 00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:50,279          And the bodyguards                    stopped playing,           371 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,359     and they just all went alert           like a dog ready to jump.      372 00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:55,985      And I said, "Everyone knows               you've got wigs.           373 00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:57,453     It's all over the internet."     374 00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:01,913      He said, "This isn't a wig,             this is my own hair.         375 00:18:01,955 --> 00:18:03,615       It's always my own hair."      376 00:18:03,665 --> 00:18:05,995    And Phil came out with his arm            full of photographs,         377 00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:07,383     and he came running up to me,    378 00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:08,709    and pictures were dropping off.  379 00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:10,264      He started pulling 'em out               and showing me them         380 00:18:10,297 --> 00:18:11,757        and saying, "Look, see,                that's my own hair.         381 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:14,009    See, look, that's my own hair.              That's my own..."          382 00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:16,931            He was adamant                  that it was his own hair.      383 00:18:24,603 --> 00:18:27,443        [Piny] I saw him on TV                with that afro look.         384 00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:30,031            I didn't think               it was the right look for him.    385 00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:32,107        I got the call probably                   a week later             386 00:18:32,152 --> 00:18:34,242        or something like that.       387 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,859          And he said to me--         388 00:18:35,906 --> 00:18:39,326    he came over and he said to me,        "I don't want that look."      389 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:41,198             He asked me,                      "Can you help me?"          390 00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:43,205      I said, "Sure, no problem."     391 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,747    And when he came over, we tried        to mellow down the look.       392 00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:51,091       The more classy looking,             you know, and less poofy,      393 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,420          more Phil Spector.          394 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:54,804           And so, I made--                this is one of his pieces.      395 00:18:54,842 --> 00:18:58,182     And I kept it because he used       to come every week for service,  396 00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:00,390      because he didn't know how             to style his own hair,        397 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,720     so he always would switch it.    398 00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:04,766          So, I made about--                  probably about eight         399 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:06,310         or nine wigs for him.        400 00:19:06,353 --> 00:19:08,363     I mean, with the whole mess,               the whole thing,           401 00:19:08,397 --> 00:19:10,977        and he's still worried             about how his hair looked?      402 00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:13,488              But listen,                     that was my business.        403 00:19:13,527 --> 00:19:14,737           I can't tell him,                     "Just go home,            404 00:19:14,778 --> 00:19:16,858          I don't want to do                   anything for you."          405 00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:22,235      It was hard to get a smile                out of his face.           406 00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:25,616       'Cause as I said before--                as I said before,          407 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,714           he was-- he knew                     what's coming up.          408 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,420        You could see the fear              in his eyes all the time.      409 00:19:31,461 --> 00:19:33,011             All the time.            410 00:19:34,047 --> 00:19:35,337                [Linda]                    He did tone down his look.      411 00:19:35,382 --> 00:19:37,722    And of course, it was all over               the news media.           412 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,259         I thought, gosh darn,             we're trying a murder case.     413 00:19:41,305 --> 00:19:42,635            Really, I mean,                    this is the dignity         414 00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:44,731           we're gonna give                     our court system?          415 00:19:45,809 --> 00:19:49,609      I just don't like the idea           that anybody doesn't think      416 00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:52,356    I'm taking this not seriously.    417 00:19:52,399 --> 00:19:55,989          Because the judge,               every time I go into court,     418 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:57,068           doesn't like me.           419 00:19:57,112 --> 00:19:59,572          He's already said,                     "Someone died."           420 00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:01,615       And he keeps saying that            every time I go into court.     421 00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:04,908    To the jurors, the first thing            out of his mouth was,        422 00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:08,713      "Remember today, we're here            because someone died."        423 00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:10,959           Now, why does he                    gotta say that for?         424 00:20:11,001 --> 00:20:14,131    He's just a mean son of a bitch          who doesn't like me.         425 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,881          [cameras snapping]          426 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:20,554              -Excuse us.                      -Excuse us, please.         427 00:20:20,594 --> 00:20:22,554          -Excuse us, please.                      -Excuse us.             428 00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:24,056              -Excuse us.                          -Excuse us.             429 00:20:24,097 --> 00:20:26,017       [woman] Excuse us, folks,                    get back!              430 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:27,428               Get back!              431 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:29,476                [Beth]                     This was an involved case,      432 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:32,229          it was a little bit                     complicated.             433 00:20:32,814 --> 00:20:36,194     The manner of death was what           this case was all about.       434 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,945         What do we call this?        435 00:20:37,986 --> 00:20:42,316      Did she do this to herself,            or was it a homicide--        436 00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:44,616    death at the hands of another?    437 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:46,620      The prosecution's position      438 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:49,042          based on the entire                     investigation            439 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:51,081               was that                      Phil Spector did this.        440 00:20:51,124 --> 00:20:53,044         This was a homicide.         441 00:20:58,882 --> 00:21:04,102    By February 2003, Phil Spector            was pretty reclusive.        442 00:21:05,681 --> 00:21:08,481             He was living                    in a 33-room mansion         443 00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:10,477             in Alhambra,                     the Pyrenees Castle.         444 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,689          It's up on a hill,                   and he had 88 steps         445 00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:16,939      like the 88 keys on a piano           going up the front door.       446 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:20,531         For whatever reason,         447 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:23,450             on the night                    of February 2nd, 2003,        448 00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:24,780        he decided to come out.       449 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:30,995       He had broken his silence            by talking to Mick Brown       450 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:33,789      before Lana Clarkson died.      451 00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:37,302      When that article came out,     452 00:21:37,337 --> 00:21:40,757    it called him "the lost genius               of pop music."            453 00:21:41,508 --> 00:21:46,258        I can't help but think               that Mick's article...        454 00:21:46,888 --> 00:21:50,308        would have struck Phil                  as a true mirror           455 00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:52,640        of who Phil had become.       456 00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:00,238       Phil had been pretty much                  on the wagon             457 00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:02,697     for about 10 years, I think.     458 00:22:02,738 --> 00:22:05,868           But the day after                  the article came out         459 00:22:05,907 --> 00:22:08,617          is when he started                    hitting the bars.          460 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:17,375    That night he decided to go out           with Rommie Davis.          461 00:22:17,419 --> 00:22:19,339       Rommie Davis was a friend      462 00:22:19,379 --> 00:22:21,339           of Phil Spector's                    from high school.          463 00:22:21,381 --> 00:22:22,841       Picked her up about 7:30       464 00:22:22,883 --> 00:22:24,843    and took her over to The Grill               to have dinner,           465 00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:27,715     and he employed the services             of Adriano De Souza,         466 00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:31,353           a private driver              who he had hired for the night.  467 00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:35,484      [Mick] They go for dinner,             and the records show--        468 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,980             the evidence                 brought forward in the trial     469 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,072      shows that he was drinking                 pretty heavily.           470 00:22:40,108 --> 00:22:43,068      He was not his usual self.      471 00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:46,572     Phillip did not usually drink          when I went out with him.      472 00:22:46,615 --> 00:22:48,365           I said, "Phillip,                   please don't drink.         473 00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:50,788         You take medication,            you shouldn't be mixing this."    474 00:22:50,827 --> 00:22:53,617       And he just didn't agree,          he did what he wanted to do.     475 00:22:53,663 --> 00:22:56,833             Phil Spector                    took Rommie Davis home,       476 00:22:56,875 --> 00:23:00,795       he returned to The Grill,            and he took the waitress       477 00:23:00,837 --> 00:23:03,167        who was working there,                   Kathy Sullivan,           478 00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:05,715             with him now                       to Trader Vic's.           479 00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:08,642       [Alan] And what happened?      480 00:23:08,678 --> 00:23:11,468          -We ordered drinks.                  -What'd you order?          481 00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:13,675      I ordered an amaretto sour.     482 00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:16,265            And do you know                 what Mr. Spector ordered?      483 00:23:16,311 --> 00:23:18,401        He ordered a Navy Grog.       484 00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:23,275         [Alan] One Navy Grog          is the equivalent of six drinks.  485 00:23:23,318 --> 00:23:25,778          It was an enormous                   amount of alcohol.          486 00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:28,121            He was getting                     more and more drunk         487 00:23:28,156 --> 00:23:29,566         as the night went on.        488 00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:33,076      And then, from Trader Vic's           they went to Dan Tana's.       489 00:23:33,829 --> 00:23:36,289         [Alan] At Dan Tana's                    Phillip Spector           490 00:23:36,331 --> 00:23:37,791      ordered another Navy Grog.      491 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,423           During the course                      of the dinner            492 00:23:39,459 --> 00:23:42,379     there was yet a second round              of drinks ordered.          493 00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:45,053          It's getting close                    to midnight now.           494 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:48,510    Did Mr. Spector have any ideas         about going someplace else?     495 00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:50,352                 -Yes.                        -Tell me about that.         496 00:23:50,387 --> 00:23:52,927            He wanted to go                  to the House of Blues.        497 00:23:58,478 --> 00:24:02,478        [Donna] I remember then             the last time I saw Lana.      498 00:24:02,524 --> 00:24:03,904      She needed some flat shoes.     499 00:24:03,942 --> 00:24:05,942           Most of her shoes                       were heels.             500 00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:08,816     We're rushing around and went        a couple of different places,    501 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,454        and I think I must have        bought her seven pairs of shoes.  502 00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:15,542         So, she left with all               these shoes in her car,       503 00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:17,159             and she just,                    "Oh, Mom, I love you,        504 00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:18,955     thank you for all my shoes."     505 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:22,958      And then she left and went             to the House of Blues.        506 00:24:27,215 --> 00:24:31,635       [Kim] That Sunday night,           I remember Lana at the door.     507 00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:33,848      I remember them calling me               over on the radio,          508 00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:35,429            and they said,                    "Kim, go to the door         509 00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:36,734         'cause Phil's here."         510 00:24:36,766 --> 00:24:38,766         And I remember going                     to the door.             511 00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:41,863        Phil was pissed 'cause            he couldn't get in the room,     512 00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:44,357       and Lana had stopped him            and didn't know who he was.     513 00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:48,359         She says, "I'm sorry,                    who are you?"            514 00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:50,163            And of course,                    he utters the phrase         515 00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:53,867         that is so well used              and overused in Hollywood,      516 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:55,789      "Don't you know who I am?"      517 00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:57,497             And she said,                   "No, ma'am, I'm sorry.        518 00:24:57,537 --> 00:24:59,497      I don't know who you are."      519 00:24:59,539 --> 00:25:02,499          [Beth] She thought                     he was a woman.           520 00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:04,882         He had his long wig,         521 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,510          and he was wearing                     a long jacket.            522 00:25:08,256 --> 00:25:11,216     And I said, "No, no, no, no.             That's Phil Spector.         523 00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:12,219         "That's Dan's friend.        524 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:14,140            Treat him as if                    that's Dan Akroyd."         525 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:17,019      It's 1:30, quarter to 2:00                 in the morning.           526 00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,387          Now, at this point,          Kathy Sullivan wants to go home.  527 00:25:19,434 --> 00:25:21,604       Well, Phil Spector wanted                to keep drinking.          528 00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:22,895    He was on a bender that night.    529 00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:25,978     Kathy Sullivan simply didn't           want to drink like that.       530 00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:28,654         The server asked him               what he wanted to drink,       531 00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:30,613             and he said,                       "I'll have rum."           532 00:25:30,654 --> 00:25:33,664     -And did you order anything?               -I ordered water.          533 00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:37,448         That infuriated Phil,                and Phil ordered her         534 00:25:37,494 --> 00:25:39,454      out of the House of Blues,                   "Go home."              535 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,076     Shortly before closing time,     536 00:25:41,122 --> 00:25:43,002             Lana Clarkson                     comes to his table.         537 00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:44,791          "Is there anything               I can get you, Mr. Spector?     538 00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:46,174     "I'm sorry for the confusion.    539 00:25:46,211 --> 00:25:48,511        "If you need anything,                 please come to me.          540 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:50,007           My name is Lana."          541 00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:51,678      Phil Spector actually said,                "You know what,           542 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:53,756  just sit down and have a drink."  543 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:56,182    And she said, "Oh, I can't have     a drink with you, I'm working."  544 00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:58,271        And he said, "Sit down                 and have a drink."          545 00:25:58,306 --> 00:25:59,976        Of course, the evidence            will show that she thought      546 00:26:00,016 --> 00:26:01,846       at this point she needed            to treat him like an owner.     547 00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:04,273           If an owner says,              "Sit down and have a drink,"     548 00:26:04,312 --> 00:26:05,442      she needs to check on that.     549 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,900      So, she calls on the radio                    and says,              550 00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:10,071     "Phillip Spector is asking me        to sit down and have a drink.    551 00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:11,820       Am I allowed to do that?"             She calls the manager.        552 00:26:11,861 --> 00:26:13,411           The manager says,                  "No, you're on duty."        553 00:26:13,446 --> 00:26:14,856        She said, "Mr. Spector,                    I'm sorry,              554 00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:16,906       I can't drink with you."       555 00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:20,372        The evidence will show                    that he said,            556 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:22,082       "Well, maybe later then."      557 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:32,758        [Kim] It was about 2:30             and we were winding down.      558 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,759    I was in the middle of the bar.  559 00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:36,801        I remember seeing Phil                    walking down             560 00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:39,885       like he wanted to leave,            and I remember them saying,     561 00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:42,061           "Hey, Phil wants                     to talk to you."           562 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:47,307      Phil and myself are talking            at the elevator doors,        563 00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:48,815    and I remember all of a sudden    564 00:26:48,857 --> 00:26:50,977      Lana came into that space.      565 00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:52,686          And I remember him                    looking up to her          566 00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:55,236        and going, "You didn't                 let me in tonight."         567 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,570           So, she was like,              "Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Spector.     568 00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:59,526     I'll remember you next time,               I'll remember--"           569 00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:03,326               you know,                  being the typical great host.    570 00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:07,671            I remember them                 getting on the elevator,       571 00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:09,169      the elevator door was open.     572 00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:11,250       I remember her giving me                 a hug and a kiss,          573 00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:12,876              and saying,                 "Hey, I'll see you tomorrow."    574 00:27:12,922 --> 00:27:14,672           I remember that.           575 00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:17,636         Elevator door closed,            that was the last I saw her.     576 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:21,845     [Alan] That is Lana Clarkson     577 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:24,390        escorting Phil Spector        578 00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:25,734           down to his car.           579 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:28,059     You can see she is the taller           of the two individuals,       580 00:27:28,104 --> 00:27:30,524             Phil Spector                  is the shorter of the two.      581 00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:33,647    When they got down to the car,            ladies and gentlemen,        582 00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:35,863            Phillip Spector                      began insisting           583 00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:38,374          that Lana Clarkson                   come home with him.         584 00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:41,366       "Come back to my castle,           I wanna show you the castle.     585 00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:43,119     "I have a castle in Alhambra.    586 00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:45,621      "You gotta see the castle,            come back to the castle.       587 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,794        Have one drink with me                back at the castle."         588 00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:49,542       She didn't wanna go home                     with him,              589 00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:51,174       she did not want to have                 a drink with him.          590 00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:53,591             It was late,                        she had worked.           591 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:55,380          She's got her purse                  over her shoulder,          592 00:27:55,423 --> 00:27:56,553        she's ready to go home.       593 00:27:56,591 --> 00:27:58,471           He pressured her,                and she finally thought,       594 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,180        "Okay, what the heck?"        595 00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:02,100            [Alan] She gets                     into the Mercedes          596 00:28:02,138 --> 00:28:05,558  and just before Adriano De Souza         shuts the door for her,       597 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,230           she looks at him                 and says in a low voice,       598 00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:12,229      "It's okay, I'm just gonna               stay for one drink.         599 00:28:13,316 --> 00:28:14,686           Just one drink."           600 00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:17,820       And he got mad with her,                  like you know,            601 00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,572              "Don't talk                        to the driver.            602 00:28:19,614 --> 00:28:21,034      "Don't talk to the driver,      603 00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:22,784       you have to talk to me."       604 00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:25,536  Looked like both inside the car,            I close the door           605 00:28:25,578 --> 00:28:28,038              and I drove                   right to Spector's house.      606 00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:32,252      Spector has a video player,            a little video player,        607 00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:34,423        and he slots a video in                 to watch a movie           608 00:28:34,462 --> 00:28:38,552       as they're driving back,           and it's a James Cagney film.    609 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:41,719       "Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye."       610 00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:53,359      They arrive at the castle.      611 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,074       And the electronic gates                     are open.              612 00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:01,994     Spector instructs the driver                    to stop               613 00:29:02,031 --> 00:29:03,831      at the bottom of the steps,     614 00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:07,407        and asked Lana Clarkson          to walk up the steps with him.    615 00:29:11,291 --> 00:29:14,541      [Beth] Eighty-eight steps,               and he's so drunk.          616 00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,296  So, she helps him up the stairs.  617 00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:18,840         De Souza goes around                       the back,              618 00:29:18,882 --> 00:29:21,632            and he figures                    it won't be too long.        619 00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:28,266    [Adriano] It was a dark night,               no cars around.           620 00:29:28,308 --> 00:29:30,308            It's in the top                     of the mountain.           621 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:34,439       There's no noise around.       622 00:29:37,108 --> 00:29:40,108       Like 5:00 in the morning,                 around 5:00...            623 00:29:43,406 --> 00:29:45,526           I heard a noise.           624 00:29:45,575 --> 00:29:47,485           [distant gunshot]          625 00:29:48,411 --> 00:29:51,041         I tried to, you know,            to investigate what happened.    626 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,540     You know, I opened the door.     627 00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:54,632           [car door opens]           628 00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:57,457           I checked to see                    if it was outside.          629 00:29:57,504 --> 00:29:59,924         The fountain was on.         630 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:02,094       Everything pretty normal.      631 00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:04,683        I went inside the car,                 I closed the door.          632 00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:07,099           [car door closes]          633 00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:12,733        And he opened the door.       634 00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:14,649             [door opens]             635 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:20,027    As soon as he opened the door,    636 00:30:20,068 --> 00:30:22,198       I jumped and went, like,                 to the back door,          637 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:24,567           and he was, like,                  standing in the door         638 00:30:24,614 --> 00:30:26,204        with the gun in a hand.       639 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:28,911  Do you recognize what's depicted           in that photograph?         640 00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:30,122            -[Adriano] Yes.                  -[Alan] Does that look        641 00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:32,211       like the gun that was in                Mr. Spector's hand?         642 00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:33,827                 -Yes.                          -Could you stand           643 00:30:33,873 --> 00:30:35,833          and show the jurors                exactly how Mr. Spector       644 00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:37,875        -was holding that gun?                        -Yes.                645 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,339              Like that.              646 00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:42,719      Mr. De Souza, when you saw            Mr. Spector step outside       647 00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,127      with this gun in his hand,      648 00:30:44,175 --> 00:30:46,885         approximately how far                 were you from him?          649 00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:49,058              Over here.              650 00:30:49,097 --> 00:30:50,217              That's it.              651 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:51,385             -Right here?                             -Yes.                652 00:30:51,432 --> 00:30:53,482       -[man] Four to five feet.             -Thank you, Your Honor.       653 00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:56,689          [Adriano] He said,               "I think I killed someone."     654 00:30:57,814 --> 00:30:59,324     I ask him like what happened?    655 00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:02,687           And I step inside                 to see what's going on.       656 00:31:04,195 --> 00:31:08,575         And I saw Lana's body                    on the chair.            657 00:31:12,495 --> 00:31:14,455            I start running                    for a little while,         658 00:31:14,497 --> 00:31:16,997          I did not remember                   that I had the car.         659 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,881    I returned, I grabbed the car,         and I start like, you know,     660 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,550         driving, like, down.         661 00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:27,430         Tried to just escape              from that place, you know.      662 00:31:27,927 --> 00:31:32,307      Adriano De Souza panicked,            did not know what to do.       663 00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:34,848        Once he got to a point           where he believed he was safe,    664 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,563            he called 911.            665 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,419      [Mick] I covered the trial           for "The Daily Telegraph."      666 00:31:58,458 --> 00:32:02,168      And I sat in the courtroom         watching De Souza's testimony,    667 00:32:02,211 --> 00:32:04,011          and like everybody                    in the courtroom,          668 00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:07,177       I came away just thinking          this was just extraordinary.     669 00:32:07,216 --> 00:32:11,216        I mean, you could feel           this palpable shift in energy.    670 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:16,023     And when I looked at Spector,       something had happened to him.    671 00:32:16,059 --> 00:32:17,519        His face was different.       672 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,230         He looked bewildered,                   he looked lost,           673 00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:24,282         he looked frightened,              as if he couldn't believe      674 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,277       this had happened to him.      675 00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:33,533    Adriano De Souza was obviously       a central witness to the case.    676 00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:36,536       He's the only eyewitness,              the only earwitness,         677 00:32:36,579 --> 00:32:39,039         and the first person                 to see the aftermath         678 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:40,422      of Lana Clarkson's murder.      679 00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:43,378     His testimony was consistent               in every hearing           680 00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,839      that he ever testified in,          in every report he ever gave     681 00:32:46,881 --> 00:32:49,301          down to the letter                    and the grammar.           682 00:33:05,566 --> 00:33:08,316             His testimony               was devastating to the defense,  683 00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:12,241      and something that they had           to spin their way out of.      684 00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:14,371           [Bradley Brunon]                 Had you received any kind      685 00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:20,369    of certification or evaluation             that would measure          686 00:33:20,415 --> 00:33:24,205  -your English competency skills?                  -No.                 687 00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:26,882          Adriano De Souza's              first language is Portuguese.    688 00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:28,051           He's from Brazil.          689 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,299          He was a Brazilian                    military officer,          690 00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:33,181           highly educated,                     highly competent.          691 00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:36,889     The defense wanted to exploit                  the fact               692 00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:38,561            that he was not                    from this country,          693 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,269             that English                   was his second language,       694 00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:43,400     and style him as a backward,     695 00:33:43,438 --> 00:33:45,478         foreign-sounding guy                    with an accent.           696 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:47,443    [Bradley] You said you thought            you heard Mr. Spector        697 00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:49,943    -say something, is that right?            -Yeah, I heard, yeah.        698 00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:52,906           Okay, what do you                 recall him saying now?        699 00:33:52,947 --> 00:33:54,907               He said,                   "I think I killed somebody."     700 00:33:54,949 --> 00:33:57,039                 Okay.                               Now...                701 00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:02,213        are you completely sure               that's what he said?         702 00:34:02,248 --> 00:34:04,668                 -Yes.                             -Positive?              703 00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:06,924                 -Yes.                             -No doubt?              704 00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:08,001                 Yes.                 705 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,716       You think you might have             gotten those words wrong?      706 00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:11,507                  No.                 707 00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:14,179        The words that I heard,                 like, were clear.          708 00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:16,048                 Okay.                        Let me ask you this.         709 00:34:16,095 --> 00:34:17,555             Do you think                     you might have heard,        710 00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:19,847          "I think somebody's                     been killed?"            711 00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:21,181                  No.                 712 00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:25,226          They claimed that,               "I think I killed somebody"     713 00:34:25,271 --> 00:34:29,401        was actually, "I think                somebody got killed,"        714 00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:32,532           meaning, "Oh, no,                she just killed herself.       715 00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,910         "And look, I happened                   to grab the gun           716 00:34:34,947 --> 00:34:36,197         and I'm standing here                    holding it."             717 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,450           It could be like                my accent is strong anyway,     718 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:39,583     but I understand everything.     719 00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:41,249        I could read anything,                      you know?              720 00:34:41,287 --> 00:34:42,577       It actually is a simple,       721 00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:44,172               you know,                    like, sentence, you know?      722 00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:46,497        'Cause he didn't speak                  English correctly          723 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:48,752         or without an accent,                   a heavy accent,           724 00:34:48,795 --> 00:34:51,625      that maybe he doesn't hear               without an accent.          725 00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:55,012       Maybe he hears with an--              I said that's bullshit.       726 00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:58,101        I took offense to that.                  I mean, I did.            727 00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,217        Because in other words,               if I have an accent,         728 00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,934      that means that I hear you                  in an accent?            729 00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:03,434                  No.                             No, not true.            730 00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:04,636       That was never gonna fly.      731 00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:06,645         I don't think a juror                    believed it,             732 00:35:06,687 --> 00:35:08,267             I don't think               an alternate juror believed it,  733 00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:09,824  I don't think an audience member              believed it.             734 00:35:09,857 --> 00:35:10,727         I didn't believe it.         735 00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:13,145         So, when the defense               is faced with a situation      736 00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:16,864          where their client             is basically caught red-handed,  737 00:35:16,906 --> 00:35:19,236           with gun in hand,                    having confessed           738 00:35:19,283 --> 00:35:21,623       to just killing somebody,            they gotta do something.       739 00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:22,871           So, in this case,                      what they did            740 00:35:22,912 --> 00:35:25,832        is try to just conflate            as many issues as possible.     741 00:35:25,873 --> 00:35:30,503        [Bradley] There's some             ambient noise in that area      742 00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:32,295     of the doorway, isn't there?     743 00:35:32,338 --> 00:35:34,668                 -Yes.                 -And that's the fountain, right?  744 00:35:34,715 --> 00:35:35,625                 Yes.                 745 00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:37,965        The fountain's actually               quite loud, isn't it?        746 00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:41,180                 -Yes.                        -You did a recreation        747 00:35:41,222 --> 00:35:42,722      of the event the next day,                     right?                748 00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:43,925              Yes, I did.             749 00:35:46,018 --> 00:35:48,768        [muffled conversation]        750 00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:01,031        [Bradley] The fountain,        you could clearly hear the noise  751 00:36:01,075 --> 00:36:03,155      -in the background, right?                      -Yes.                752 00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:06,212        The thing is, when they             showed that in the court,      753 00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:08,497      if you put the microphones             close to the fountain,        754 00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:12,551      they get the fountain more         than any other sound around it.  755 00:36:12,587 --> 00:36:14,507           They tried, like,                 to make that, you know,       756 00:36:14,547 --> 00:36:16,797      "You didn't hear anything,"                   you know?              757 00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:27,727          Because the defense                was taking the position       758 00:36:27,768 --> 00:36:30,398       that De Souza didn't have                any credibility--          759 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,108      and obviously Lana Clarkson            walked into his house,        760 00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:35,279      rummaged around his foyer,      761 00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,028           and found a gun,                     and shot herself,          762 00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:38,399         we had to rebut that.        763 00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:41,526       To understand more fully,                 more globally,            764 00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:44,374          why Phillip Spector             would have done what he did,     765 00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:49,040     how Lana Clarkson fell victim               to this man...            766 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:51,580      you're gonna be introduced                   to evidence             767 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:57,546          of the defendant's             very rich history of violence.    768 00:36:58,341 --> 00:37:01,091         A history of violence                   against women,            769 00:37:01,135 --> 00:37:04,055               a history                   of violence involving guns.     770 00:37:12,438 --> 00:37:14,608    [woman] Please state and spell          your first and last name       771 00:37:14,649 --> 00:37:17,649           -for the record.                   -Stephanie Jennings.         772 00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:21,363    [Stephanie] I met Phil Spector                   in 1994               773 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:24,325          at the Philadelphia                 Music Alliance Gala.         774 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,947    I was photographing the event.    775 00:37:28,537 --> 00:37:30,917      It was a month or so later,     776 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:32,497         and I was at Elaine's        777 00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:34,041     having dinner with a friend,     778 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,995     and I saw Phil Spector there.    779 00:37:37,046 --> 00:37:39,376                And so,                         I just said, "Hi.          780 00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,303        I just photographed you                 in Philadelphia."          781 00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:45,303           So, he invited me                  to come to his table         782 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,636          with him and a few                     of his friends.           783 00:37:48,557 --> 00:37:52,347         He was very charming                    and very funny.           784 00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:56,225            We immediately                   started a relationship.       785 00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,484      [Alan] There's a little bit                 of difference            786 00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,145             in you today                   as opposed to back then.       787 00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:00,443         Can you explain that                    for the court?            788 00:38:00,486 --> 00:38:03,196     I was in a bad car accident,               I totaled my car.          789 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,319      I'm very sorry about that.      790 00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:10,706      I wanna draw your attention              to January of 1995.         791 00:38:10,746 --> 00:38:12,706       Did you receive any kind                 of an invitation           792 00:38:12,748 --> 00:38:14,578    from Phillip Spector to attend    793 00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:16,705    the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame           induction ceremonies...       794 00:38:16,752 --> 00:38:19,422           -That event, no.                -At that event? All right.      795 00:38:19,463 --> 00:38:24,053    And what hotel did Mr. Spector         get you a room to stay at?      796 00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:24,973           At the Carlisle.           797 00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:27,221             What happened               toward the end of the evening?    798 00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:31,233       Almost everyone was gone,                and I was tired,           799 00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:32,267          I was ready to go.          800 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,270         Did you just go back               to your room by yourself?      801 00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:35,402                 -Yes.                        -And what did you do         802 00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:37,978  -once you were back at the room?            -I went to sleep.          803 00:38:39,025 --> 00:38:40,065          What happened next?         804 00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:44,489    There was a knock at the door,          and it was his bodyguard.      805 00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:46,660        Phil wanted to see her,             and he sent his bodyguard      806 00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:48,329     to get her, but it was late,                and she's like,           807 00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:50,327           "No, I'll see him              in the morning at breakfast."    808 00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:52,539      He came back a second time      809 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:56,250       and said that he insisted                that I came over.          810 00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,922     And I said, "Absolutely not,"    811 00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:01,801           and shut the door                  and went back to bed.        812 00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:06,217     But there was a third knock.     813 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,516          I opened the door,                    and it was Phil.           814 00:39:11,557 --> 00:39:13,557       He was definitely drunk,       815 00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:17,941            and he was loud                      and demanding.            816 00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:19,650         He said he was paying                    for the room,            817 00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:22,280          and if he wanted me               to come over to his room,      818 00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:24,358      then I was gonna come over                  to his room.             819 00:39:24,403 --> 00:39:26,573        I said absolutely not,        820 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:30,454         and things escalated                  extremely quickly.          821 00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:33,543        He started yelling that           I was gonna pay for the room     822 00:39:33,579 --> 00:39:35,789      if I didn't wanna come over                 to his room.             823 00:39:35,831 --> 00:39:39,591          I said "No problem,            and I'm gonna leave right now."  824 00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:43,297         So, I started packing                     my things.              825 00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:46,429       I went into the bathroom             and I was packing my bag,      826 00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:49,297      and Phil came in after me.      827 00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:50,805            He grabbed me.            828 00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:54,056       I pushed him, and he fell                into the bathtub           829 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,440        with the shower curtain                down on top of him,         830 00:39:56,477 --> 00:40:01,227      and then got up and walked            silently out of the room.      831 00:40:01,273 --> 00:40:03,073         [Alan] What happened                   when Mr. Spector           832 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:04,029       came back into the room?       833 00:40:04,068 --> 00:40:08,318       He had his gun with him,               and he pulled a chair        834 00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:09,784    and put it in front of the door  835 00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:12,284             and said that                  I wasn't going anywhere.       836 00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:18,874     I thought, I'm going to die,             shot by Phil Spector.        837 00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:22,587     I was just sitting on the bed              with all my bags           838 00:40:22,628 --> 00:40:24,708    and he was sitting at the door.  839 00:40:25,631 --> 00:40:28,881     And I just reached the phone                and dialed 911.           840 00:40:28,926 --> 00:40:32,846      He thought I called my mom,               I don't know why.          841 00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:35,468             And he said,                    "You can call your mom,       842 00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:37,436     but she can't help you now."     843 00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:40,562       [Alan] Female threatened,                    assault.               844 00:40:40,604 --> 00:40:41,984           Weapon involved.           845 00:40:42,022 --> 00:40:45,322         She's afraid to talk.                    Please help.             846 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:47,779          The man is standing                     by the phone.            847 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,620         He's a big celebrity.              His name is Phil Spector.      848 00:40:51,657 --> 00:40:53,987        That's the information               that Stephanie Jennings       849 00:40:54,034 --> 00:40:56,704        was literally relaying                    to the police            850 00:40:56,745 --> 00:40:59,495       while she was being held                   at gunpoint.             851 00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:02,250     At some point did the police             arrive in your room?         852 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:04,173                 Yes.                         They were treating me        853 00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,011       as if I was a call girl.       854 00:41:06,046 --> 00:41:08,296          They weren't taking             what was going on seriously.     855 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,680           Did you tell them                    that the incident          856 00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:12,638      -involved Phillip Spector?                      -Yes.                857 00:41:12,678 --> 00:41:14,928        Did they appear to know             who Phillip Spector was?       858 00:41:14,972 --> 00:41:16,892                 Yes.                        And they brought the--        859 00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,682     I guess the hotel manager up,    860 00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:21,806         and he gave me money                   to take the train          861 00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:23,774         back to Philadelphia.        862 00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:26,484     I thought I had put that part            of my life behind me,        863 00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:30,565         but in late December,               he called and asked me        864 00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:33,953        to join him at a party                  for his birthday.          865 00:41:33,991 --> 00:41:38,041       I didn't, and he did not              take that well at all.        866 00:41:38,078 --> 00:41:39,828        [Alan] He left messages            on your answering machine?      867 00:41:39,872 --> 00:41:41,832                 -Yes.                               -[beep]               868 00:42:20,454 --> 00:42:26,544           I wanted to lead                 by disabusing the jurors       869 00:42:26,585 --> 00:42:30,375            of this notion                      that Phil Spector          870 00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:33,552            was this sweet                       little old man            871 00:42:33,592 --> 00:42:35,052       who couldn't hurt a fly,       872 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:38,394      and just went into studios               and created magic.          873 00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:42,522         I needed to establish                  who he really is,          874 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,900         what he really does,               and what he's capable of.      875 00:42:51,443 --> 00:42:52,823         [man] Good afternoon.        876 00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:54,661          I'd like to invite                     your attention            877 00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:57,367             back to 1982.            878 00:42:57,408 --> 00:42:59,828            To May of 1991.           879 00:42:59,868 --> 00:43:02,158             July of 1993.            880 00:43:02,204 --> 00:43:04,044           During that year,                  did there come a time        881 00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:07,081          when you met a man                   named Phil Spector?         882 00:43:07,126 --> 00:43:08,416               Yes, sir.              883 00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:12,796          [Melissa Grosvenor]                His assistant called me       884 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,680        and said, "Mr. Spector           was wondering if you would like  885 00:43:15,718 --> 00:43:17,548              to join him                     for dinner tonight."         886 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:20,215       Phillip would have Donna,             his secretary, call...        887 00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:22,274        "Mr. Spector would like                to see you tonight          888 00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:23,268         at the Ritz Towers."         889 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:26,309         We went out to dinner                and had a great time.        890 00:43:26,353 --> 00:43:28,613         He was very charming.        891 00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:31,687            -He was funny.               -It really was a nice evening.    892 00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:33,904             Phil Spector,                    he could be charming.        893 00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:35,994           He was very rich,                  he was very powerful,        894 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:37,910         he was very generous                    with his money.           895 00:43:37,948 --> 00:43:40,028  That was the kind of guy he was,      so there are people out there    896 00:43:40,075 --> 00:43:42,655     who would say, "Oh yeah, no,             he's a charming guy."        897 00:43:42,703 --> 00:43:44,163    These women fell prey to that.    898 00:43:44,204 --> 00:43:48,214        And then after dinner,             we went back to his house.      899 00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:51,340    His house was full of all kinds         of interesting things.        900 00:43:51,378 --> 00:43:54,758     And we just chatted, talked.             He played the piano.         901 00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:57,968     [Melissa] And we were dancing           and having a good time.       902 00:43:58,552 --> 00:44:01,562             He definitely                     was a little drunk.         903 00:44:01,597 --> 00:44:02,807      The bottle was going down.      904 00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:05,098         [man] Did there come                a time when you decided       905 00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:06,852        -that you should leave?                       -Yes.                906 00:44:06,894 --> 00:44:10,234           I said, "Phillip,                  I do need to go home.        907 00:44:10,272 --> 00:44:14,072       I have to work tomorrow,                  and it's late."           908 00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:17,949      And he-- he didn't want me                   to go home.             909 00:44:17,988 --> 00:44:19,908        And as soon as I said,              "I'm tired, I wanna go,"       910 00:44:19,948 --> 00:44:22,158      he turned and looked at me,          and he pointed his finger,      911 00:44:22,201 --> 00:44:24,501          and he said, "What?                   You want to go?"           912 00:44:24,536 --> 00:44:28,116     And then, right then, I knew        his whole demeanor had changed.  913 00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,245             And he turned                 and started walking at me,      914 00:44:30,292 --> 00:44:33,672    screaming at me to get the eff             back in the house.          915 00:44:33,712 --> 00:44:35,592           There was nothing             that was out of bounds for him,  916 00:44:35,631 --> 00:44:37,221     nothing that was too violent                   for him,               917 00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:40,047          for no other reason                   that it gave him           918 00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:42,224      the power and the control.      919 00:44:42,262 --> 00:44:43,892         And that's what this                    was all about.            920 00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:46,231       He walked right up to me                 and held the gun           921 00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:49,726      right to my face with just             inches between my eyes,       922 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:51,940    and said, "If you try to leave,          I'm gonna kill you."         923 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,780       He had a gun to my face,              a pistol of some sort.        924 00:44:55,818 --> 00:44:57,698    He was pointing the gun at me.    925 00:44:57,736 --> 00:44:58,776       I kept screaming at him,       926 00:44:58,821 --> 00:45:00,031      "What the eff do you think                 you're doing?"            927 00:45:00,072 --> 00:45:01,912          And at that point,                 he took his right hand        928 00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:04,619    that was holding the revolver,    929 00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:06,370            and smacked me                   in the side of the head       930 00:45:06,412 --> 00:45:09,082     and said, "I told you to get          the eff back in the house."     931 00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:12,333             He wanted me                     to go upstairs, okay?        932 00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,336            To his bedroom.           933 00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:15,127         [Dorothy] He told me                to take my clothes off        934 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:16,920  and to go up to the third floor.  935 00:45:16,964 --> 00:45:18,674    Was he pointing the gun at you             when he said this?          936 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:20,466             -Yes, he was.                      -He had the gun.           937 00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:24,179         I was in front of him            and he was walking behind me.    938 00:45:24,221 --> 00:45:26,311      And we went up the stairway                to his bedroom.           939 00:45:26,348 --> 00:45:29,688         I was crying, I said,            "Phil, don't make me do this.    940 00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:31,347       I don't want to do this.             Why are you doing this?"       941 00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:33,355     There was no doubt in my mind          that he was gonna kill me      942 00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:34,397         if I tried to leave.         943 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,400          He was not my Phil.              It was like he was demonic.     944 00:45:39,111 --> 00:45:40,401            The sun came up                     the next morning,          945 00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:42,776          -and what happened?              -I could see the door open      946 00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:44,073          into the bathroom,                      he was, like,            947 00:45:44,116 --> 00:45:48,196         singing in the shower               like nothing happened.        948 00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:51,615       He said, "Would you like            to go get some breakfast?"      949 00:45:51,665 --> 00:45:52,665        And I ran out the door.       950 00:45:52,708 --> 00:45:55,378       I drove a few blocks away                 and called 911.           951 00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:57,419          What, if anything,                 did the police officer        952 00:45:57,463 --> 00:45:58,463       suggest to your station?       953 00:45:58,505 --> 00:46:01,295       They said Phil told them           that we had these lover spats    954 00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:03,801        all the time, and that             I always called the police,     955 00:46:03,844 --> 00:46:05,474         and this was my M.O.         956 00:46:05,512 --> 00:46:09,222        And then they proceeded            to tell me about the house      957 00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:12,136       and John Lennon's guitar                     and such.              958 00:46:12,186 --> 00:46:14,306               Chilling.                         Bloodcurdling.            959 00:46:14,354 --> 00:46:17,574  How could you do this to someone         that you say you love?        960 00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:22,358      These are the stories that          each one of these women told,    961 00:46:22,404 --> 00:46:25,994      and just about every single            one of these instances,       962 00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:28,083       the recipe was the same.       963 00:46:28,118 --> 00:46:34,168            Drinking, sex,                   rejection, leave, gun.        964 00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:36,788             I can't speak                    to their experience.         965 00:46:36,835 --> 00:46:37,955            I really can't.           966 00:46:38,003 --> 00:46:40,213            I wasn't there,                I don't know these people,      967 00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:44,885         and you know, I stand                   with survivors.           968 00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:48,257        But I don't think that            those things have to connect.    969 00:46:48,305 --> 00:46:49,965            We just thought                that it was unfair to him,      970 00:46:50,015 --> 00:46:51,845         and these acts were--               they were over a period       971 00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:53,142          of, like, 30 years.         972 00:46:53,185 --> 00:46:56,395          I mean, they were--             many things happen to people     973 00:46:56,438 --> 00:46:57,308           in the meantime.           974 00:46:57,356 --> 00:47:00,976        If you have a defendant             and there's prior acts--       975 00:47:01,026 --> 00:47:04,026            the prosecution                alleged they were similar--     976 00:47:04,071 --> 00:47:06,411  that the jury's gonna hear that,         and they're gonna say,        977 00:47:06,448 --> 00:47:09,028    "Well, this is one bad person,           of course he did this!"       978 00:47:09,076 --> 00:47:11,246           Let's talk about                 the grand jury indictment      979 00:47:11,286 --> 00:47:13,286            and these women                   who have come forth.         980 00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:17,840           Not one of them,                  not one of all the ones       981 00:47:17,876 --> 00:47:19,336          who have come forth                  that you read about         982 00:47:19,378 --> 00:47:22,758           in the newspaper,                  ever, ever, E-V-E-R,         983 00:47:22,798 --> 00:47:25,298      ever filed a police report                   against me.             984 00:47:25,342 --> 00:47:29,392     We couldn't even investigate,       because records weren't there.    985 00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:32,809     But they came in, and we just            had to deal with 'em.        986 00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:36,900       I definitely considered,             could this have happened?      987 00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:40,817      Could he just be so scared       that he's not telling the truth?  988 00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:44,108       Maybe he doesn't remember                 what happened.            989 00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:47,952       But as soon as I started               looking at evidence,         990 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:49,490      it was so immediately clear     991 00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:52,333         that he couldn't have                 pulled the trigger.         992 00:47:56,331 --> 00:48:00,711     The defense position was that     this all came down to forensics,  993 00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:04,382           and Lana Clarkson                     killed herself.           994 00:48:05,173 --> 00:48:09,183          [Linda] We have one                 unimpeachable witness        995 00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:11,969    who the evidence will show you    996 00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:16,644             has no motive                   for or against anybody.       997 00:48:16,685 --> 00:48:22,475  The witness has no motive to lie       for or against any person.      998 00:48:22,524 --> 00:48:26,284              The witness                    has no memory problems.       999 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,240          The witness has no                   language problems.          1000 00:48:30,949 --> 00:48:34,449           And that witness                    is called science.          1001 00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:36,714    And they had an interpretation          on the forensic evidence       1002 00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:41,247     saying it's not inconsistent         with a self-inflicted wound.     1003 00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:45,883  So, the scene was misinterpreted           by the prosecution.         1004 00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:47,843       [Linda] There was simply               no physical evidence         1005 00:48:47,883 --> 00:48:49,223       that proved that Phillip                pulled the trigger.         1006 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:50,969      There were no fingerprints                that were found,           1007 00:48:51,011 --> 00:48:52,931           there was no DNA                  of Phillip on the gun.        1008 00:48:52,971 --> 00:48:55,181       He had no gunshot residue                     on him.               1009 00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:59,483         When you fire a gun,             you have a lot of combustion.    1010 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,109        See, it goes backwards,                 it goes upwards,           1011 00:49:02,147 --> 00:49:05,227          it goes downwards,                    it goes forward,           1012 00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:08,445         two and a half feet.         1013 00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:13,158        Lana Clarkson had a lot        of gunshot residue on her hands,  1014 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,200         which would indicate             that she was holding the gun.    1015 00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:18,124      And if he had shot this gun     1016 00:49:18,163 --> 00:49:20,423       or he was in the vicinity              of this gun shooting,        1017 00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:22,747          he also would have                 gunshot residue on him        1018 00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:25,343          just like she did.                      He had none.             1019 00:49:25,379 --> 00:49:27,669    And then there's what's called               blood spatter.            1020 00:49:27,714 --> 00:49:31,094          If you shoot a gun             in an intraoral-type situation,  1021 00:49:31,134 --> 00:49:33,264    the spatter would go backwards,  1022 00:49:33,303 --> 00:49:35,513       and it could go way back,                    10 feet.               1023 00:49:35,555 --> 00:49:40,885         When a gun goes off,          the gases are huge and enormous.  1024 00:49:40,936 --> 00:49:43,266            But if there is                    an intraoral wound          1025 00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:46,323           without an exit,                     without an exit,           1026 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,108           the gases have--              get trapped in the head cavity.  1027 00:49:50,153 --> 00:49:52,533       They have no place to go.      1028 00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:57,702       And so, what happens is,                 a person becomes           1029 00:49:57,744 --> 00:49:59,624        almost like a chipmunk.       1030 00:50:00,872 --> 00:50:02,872         They expel back out.         1031 00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:04,876  There's all this spatter on her.  1032 00:50:04,918 --> 00:50:06,998        She had massive amount                     of spatter              1033 00:50:07,045 --> 00:50:08,585       on the top of her jacket.      1034 00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:12,090       She had the blood spatter            on her wrists and hands.       1035 00:50:12,134 --> 00:50:15,474    We felt that the blood spatter         which was on Lana Clarkson      1036 00:50:15,512 --> 00:50:17,602       would have to be equally                on Phillip Spector.         1037 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:21,179             Phil Spector                  is wearing a white jacket.      1038 00:50:21,226 --> 00:50:22,686      If he's two feet from her,      1039 00:50:22,728 --> 00:50:26,108     which is what the criminalist             for the state said,         1040 00:50:26,148 --> 00:50:27,268      he would have been covered.     1041 00:50:27,315 --> 00:50:29,605           If he was there,                he should have had spatter      1042 00:50:29,651 --> 00:50:33,861        and blood all over him,                 like was on her.           1043 00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:36,873            And it wasn't.            1044 00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:41,000            At that point,                 the prosecution is saying,      1045 00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,418     "Houston, we have a problem."    1046 00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:44,917         The beginning and end                    of this case             1047 00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:46,538     should be that white jacket.     1048 00:50:48,879 --> 00:50:54,719        I'm sorry that I met you     1049 00:50:57,095 --> 00:51:03,765             Now I only just                        regret you             1050 00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:07,650          I remember the night       1051 00:51:07,689 --> 00:51:11,939              When you first                      held me tight            1052 00:51:11,985 --> 00:51:13,485                  Ohh                1053 00:51:13,528 --> 00:51:19,578              Now I'm sorry                       that I met you           1054 00:51:21,953 --> 00:51:27,043   I was lost in the hurricane     1055 00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:30,054           La-la-la-la, la-la