1 00:00:49,406 --> 00:00:52,218 I used to love the carnival. 2 00:00:53,645 --> 00:00:59,316 Daddy worked all the fairs, selling pretzels, candy apples. 3 00:00:59,317 --> 00:01:02,092 Always lookin' for something better. 4 00:01:03,019 --> 00:01:05,854 Sometimes Mama would follow, 5 00:01:05,855 --> 00:01:10,129 and sometimes he'd even take us. 6 00:01:10,130 --> 00:01:15,030 It was always a new adventure, with a whole new family every time. 7 00:01:15,031 --> 00:01:19,819 I figured Jennie and me were the luckiest girls in the world with a life like that. 8 00:01:20,703 --> 00:01:24,241 My favorite was the merry-go-round. 9 00:01:24,242 --> 00:01:27,244 Maybe I was a little old for it, 10 00:01:27,245 --> 00:01:30,659 but all those other rides, they scared me. 11 00:01:35,186 --> 00:01:40,262 But the merry-go-round just goes round and round and up and down. 12 00:01:42,527 --> 00:01:46,339 You don't get anywhere, but you always feel safe. 13 00:02:05,850 --> 00:02:09,264 That's me on the left. 14 00:02:09,555 --> 00:02:11,822 Sylvia. 15 00:02:11,823 --> 00:02:14,667 And this is my story. 16 00:02:52,698 --> 00:02:54,666 Would you please state your name. 17 00:02:54,667 --> 00:02:56,935 Lester Likens. 18 00:02:56,936 --> 00:02:59,271 Are you married to Betty Likens? 19 00:02:59,272 --> 00:03:00,705 Yes. 20 00:03:00,706 --> 00:03:03,908 Did you and your wife ever separate? 21 00:03:03,909 --> 00:03:05,544 Yes. 22 00:03:05,545 --> 00:03:08,613 What period of time did that occur? 23 00:03:08,614 --> 00:03:11,983 The last week in June, 1965. 24 00:03:11,984 --> 00:03:16,288 She was at Euclid Street and I was in Lebanon, Indiana. 25 00:03:16,289 --> 00:03:18,223 Where were the children? 26 00:03:18,224 --> 00:03:22,503 Jennie Faye and Sylvia Marie was with her. 27 00:03:27,366 --> 00:03:29,669 So, you think we'll make some friends? 28 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:31,270 Sure we will. 29 00:03:31,271 --> 00:03:34,105 Maybe there'll be some cute boys this time. 30 00:03:34,106 --> 00:03:35,741 Church boys can be cute. 31 00:03:35,742 --> 00:03:39,315 Come on, girls. Don't wanna be late for our first service. 32 00:03:40,447 --> 00:03:42,247 Hey! 33 00:03:42,248 --> 00:03:43,382 Daddy. 34 00:03:43,383 --> 00:03:44,483 Hey, Jennie. 35 00:03:44,484 --> 00:03:45,986 What are you doin' here? 36 00:03:45,986 --> 00:03:48,087 I missed you girls. 37 00:03:48,088 --> 00:03:51,399 Betty, can I talk to you for a minute? 38 00:03:52,626 --> 00:03:54,559 You know, I've been talking to Horst, 39 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,096 and he says that we could maybe swing our own booth 40 00:03:57,097 --> 00:04:00,466 at the State Fair this year. Maybe make enough money to go on tour. 41 00:04:00,467 --> 00:04:03,536 I told you, Lester, I can't do it anymore. Not with the girls. 42 00:04:03,537 --> 00:04:05,705 Maybe my mother'll take 'em. 43 00:04:05,706 --> 00:04:07,773 I can't move them up there again. 44 00:04:07,774 --> 00:04:11,010 They haven't even had a chance to make friends down here yet. 45 00:04:11,011 --> 00:04:14,847 Betty, maybe we wouldn't fight as much without the kids. 46 00:04:14,848 --> 00:04:16,717 Mama? 47 00:04:16,718 --> 00:04:19,952 You two go on ahead and catch the church bus home. 48 00:04:19,953 --> 00:04:23,458 I gotta settle things with your father. 49 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:33,567 "See what love the Father has given us 50 00:04:33,568 --> 00:04:37,140 that we are called the children of God." 51 00:04:38,740 --> 00:04:41,174 And so we are. 52 00:04:41,175 --> 00:04:44,143 But how does the child come unto his father? 53 00:04:44,144 --> 00:04:47,614 How does the father come unto the child? 54 00:04:47,615 --> 00:04:51,284 Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life, 55 00:04:51,285 --> 00:04:55,655 and none come unto the Father but by Me." 56 00:04:55,656 --> 00:04:57,891 Be good. 57 00:04:57,892 --> 00:05:01,060 Our fathers, our mothers. 58 00:05:01,061 --> 00:05:04,631 It is only through Christ that we find the Father. 59 00:05:04,632 --> 00:05:08,137 And it is only through Christ that we find each other. 60 00:05:16,244 --> 00:05:18,479 That's a beautiful dress, Hope. 61 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,213 Oh, thank you, Gertrude. 62 00:05:20,214 --> 00:05:24,218 I'm, uh, I'm feeling much better on my new medicine, 63 00:05:24,219 --> 00:05:27,121 and if you know of anybody who needs ironing to be done, 64 00:05:27,122 --> 00:05:28,689 I'd appreciate the work. 65 00:05:28,690 --> 00:05:30,223 I'll do that. 66 00:05:30,224 --> 00:05:32,830 Thank you. 67 00:05:39,567 --> 00:05:41,034 What happened to your leg? 68 00:05:41,035 --> 00:05:43,036 That's not polite, Shirley. 69 00:05:43,037 --> 00:05:45,305 It's all right. She's used to it. 70 00:05:45,306 --> 00:05:46,640 So what is it? 71 00:05:46,641 --> 00:05:47,742 From polio. 72 00:05:47,743 --> 00:05:51,713 Polio? Does it hurt? 73 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,956 Our Mama's sick, too. 74 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:57,724 All right, girls. 75 00:05:58,787 --> 00:06:00,154 We gotta go. 76 00:06:00,155 --> 00:06:01,622 Can't they come with us? 77 00:06:01,623 --> 00:06:03,690 Want to come? 78 00:06:03,691 --> 00:06:07,562 We got some friends coming over, and you could meet our older sisters. 79 00:06:07,563 --> 00:06:09,338 Sure. 80 00:06:25,448 --> 00:06:27,882 Guess who got stuck with an extra shift at work? 81 00:06:27,883 --> 00:06:29,750 You get paid? 82 00:06:29,751 --> 00:06:32,587 Mm-hm. Got a little somethin' extra for dinner. 83 00:06:32,588 --> 00:06:34,055 Here, take the baby. 84 00:06:34,056 --> 00:06:36,157 Where'd they come from? 85 00:06:36,158 --> 00:06:37,493 What's this? 86 00:06:37,494 --> 00:06:40,295 We invited 'em to stay and play. 87 00:06:40,296 --> 00:06:42,231 We'll be quiet. 88 00:06:42,232 --> 00:06:44,734 All right, make sure of it. 89 00:06:48,270 --> 00:06:50,839 I like this song. 90 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:52,474 What's your Dad do? 91 00:06:52,475 --> 00:06:54,243 He's a cop. And they're divorced. 92 00:06:54,244 --> 00:06:55,577 You miss him any? 93 00:06:55,578 --> 00:06:57,679 Nah. I just miss his money. 94 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,483 It's true. Maybe if his support was more regular, 95 00:07:01,484 --> 00:07:04,853 Mama wouldn't be so sick and I wouldn't have to work so hard. 96 00:07:04,854 --> 00:07:06,622 Little Kenny's got a different daddy. 97 00:07:06,623 --> 00:07:08,155 Who's little Kenny? 98 00:07:08,156 --> 00:07:10,893 The baby. But we ain't supposed to talk about that. 99 00:07:10,894 --> 00:07:12,127 Ow. 100 00:07:12,128 --> 00:07:15,296 There. 101 00:07:15,297 --> 00:07:16,865 You should do this for a living. 102 00:07:16,866 --> 00:07:18,333 Yeah, if she was old enough. 103 00:07:18,334 --> 00:07:19,634 You want me to do yours? 104 00:07:19,635 --> 00:07:21,436 Oh, no, thanks. 105 00:07:21,437 --> 00:07:22,938 Yeah, she's the pretty one. 106 00:07:22,939 --> 00:07:25,173 Yeah, she's got nice hair. 107 00:07:25,174 --> 00:07:26,975 I'm pretty, too. 108 00:07:26,976 --> 00:07:29,778 The hell you are! 109 00:07:29,779 --> 00:07:32,782 I tell you what. Let's go get a Coke. 110 00:07:32,783 --> 00:07:36,751 My boyfriend works over at the liquor store. He could sneak us out a couple. 111 00:07:36,752 --> 00:07:37,853 Sure. 112 00:07:37,854 --> 00:07:40,156 You girls behave! 113 00:07:40,157 --> 00:07:42,457 We're going to the grocery. 114 00:07:42,458 --> 00:07:44,760 Tell Andy he owes me for little Kenny. 115 00:07:44,761 --> 00:07:46,729 Don't be wasting time on that bag boy. 116 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:48,497 He ain't a bag boy, Mama! 117 00:07:48,498 --> 00:07:50,632 He's still a waste of space. 118 00:07:50,633 --> 00:07:52,634 She don't like my boyfriend. 119 00:07:52,635 --> 00:07:53,836 Yeah, I can see that. 120 00:07:53,837 --> 00:07:56,071 Hey, Johnny. Quit it! 121 00:07:56,072 --> 00:07:59,350 Sorry, Mrs. Doyle. 122 00:07:59,543 --> 00:08:00,742 Hey. 123 00:08:00,743 --> 00:08:02,044 You weren't at church today. 124 00:08:02,045 --> 00:08:03,512 Coy and I are heading there now. 125 00:08:03,513 --> 00:08:05,514 Yeah, you better be. 126 00:08:05,515 --> 00:08:07,149 Let's get out of here. 127 00:08:07,150 --> 00:08:10,285 My sister Stephanie. She's a big help around the house 128 00:08:10,286 --> 00:08:13,530 when she ain't wastin' time with her boyfriend Coy. 129 00:08:15,024 --> 00:08:16,759 Oh, God. 130 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:17,927 Hey, Paula. 131 00:08:17,928 --> 00:08:19,796 Mama was askin' after her money. 132 00:08:19,796 --> 00:08:22,599 I'll bet she was. Who's your friend? 133 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,801 Sylvia. But she don't talk to trash. 134 00:08:25,802 --> 00:08:27,569 'Scuse me. 135 00:08:27,571 --> 00:08:31,883 That's my Mama's ex-boyfriend. He's only six years older than me. 136 00:08:33,477 --> 00:08:35,718 Just like her mama. 137 00:08:38,482 --> 00:08:42,054 That's him. That's my Bradley. 138 00:08:42,453 --> 00:08:44,991 He's real cute. 139 00:08:46,890 --> 00:08:49,393 We gotta be real careful, though. 140 00:08:49,394 --> 00:08:51,595 Why? 141 00:08:51,596 --> 00:08:54,134 Because he's married. 142 00:08:55,065 --> 00:08:57,600 I'm not even shittin' you! No! 143 00:08:57,601 --> 00:08:59,736 Paula! 144 00:08:59,737 --> 00:09:03,184 Don't tell me you never had a boyfriend. 145 00:09:04,008 --> 00:09:07,309 Ah, well. There was this guy in California, 146 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:10,714 but... I guess it was nothin'. 147 00:09:10,715 --> 00:09:13,355 At least you did more than kiss, right? 148 00:09:15,086 --> 00:09:18,721 Well, aren't you just so damn pure! 149 00:09:18,722 --> 00:09:20,794 Come on. 150 00:09:23,695 --> 00:09:25,436 Let's go. 151 00:09:26,864 --> 00:09:30,333 This is Pleiku, 250 miles north of Saigon. 152 00:09:30,335 --> 00:09:34,305 The air base that was ripped by the incoming communist guerrillas. 153 00:09:50,421 --> 00:09:53,625 Marie! I need you to feed little Kenny. 154 00:09:53,626 --> 00:09:57,127 If I don't get this ironing to Mrs. Duke by four, I'm not gonna get a tip. 155 00:09:57,128 --> 00:09:58,328 We're out of milk. 156 00:09:58,329 --> 00:09:59,796 Go get some. 157 00:09:59,797 --> 00:10:02,132 They won't give us no more credit at the store. 158 00:10:02,133 --> 00:10:03,701 They will if you take the baby. 159 00:10:03,702 --> 00:10:06,937 Hello! Oh, hi. I'm sorry. 160 00:10:06,938 --> 00:10:09,976 Um, somebody said they saw my girls here. 161 00:10:11,042 --> 00:10:12,911 You got no family here in Indy? 162 00:10:12,912 --> 00:10:15,984 Well, not that I could leave 'em with. 163 00:10:17,015 --> 00:10:18,216 'Cause of them or you? 164 00:10:18,217 --> 00:10:21,096 Well, little of both. 165 00:10:22,187 --> 00:10:24,588 Hi, Ms Baniszewski. Shirley and Marie here? 166 00:10:24,590 --> 00:10:27,594 Upstairs. Shut the door. 167 00:10:30,496 --> 00:10:34,293 Looks like you got kids running in and out of here all day long. 168 00:10:38,971 --> 00:10:42,281 Why don't you leave Sylvia and Jennie here with me? 169 00:10:44,877 --> 00:10:47,045 Oh, I couldn't do that. 170 00:10:47,046 --> 00:10:50,547 I got six kids. Two more won't make a difference. 171 00:10:50,548 --> 00:10:52,722 I guess that's true. 172 00:10:59,124 --> 00:11:02,505 $20 a week, and you won't have to worry. 173 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:08,099 You'd be helping me out, too. 174 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:12,049 Well, I could talk to my wife about it. 175 00:11:13,439 --> 00:11:17,387 It's... something to consider. 176 00:11:22,449 --> 00:11:25,883 So, you'd never met Gertrude Baniszewski before that day? 177 00:11:25,884 --> 00:11:27,720 No, sir. 178 00:11:27,721 --> 00:11:31,779 But you were willing to leave your children with a complete stranger? 179 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:36,562 Well, like I said, uh, we got to talking, 180 00:11:36,563 --> 00:11:40,698 and she openly admitted that she would take care of the children 181 00:11:40,699 --> 00:11:44,182 and treat them like they were her own. 182 00:11:45,137 --> 00:11:47,505 Okay, here's 20 now, 183 00:11:47,506 --> 00:11:50,576 and, uh, you'll have the next payment a week Thursday. 184 00:11:50,577 --> 00:11:52,076 I'll need that money. 185 00:11:52,077 --> 00:11:53,546 Well, you'll have it. 186 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:55,614 Johnny, bring the box upstairs. 187 00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:57,315 I appreciate that, sweetheart. 188 00:11:57,316 --> 00:11:59,552 I don't want you to go. 189 00:11:59,553 --> 00:12:02,522 The circuit'll be dying down at the end of September. 190 00:12:02,522 --> 00:12:04,088 That's over two months. 191 00:12:04,089 --> 00:12:07,091 And I promise I will be back to get you girls then. 192 00:12:07,092 --> 00:12:09,767 Okay, kids. Bye, Jennie. 193 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,097 Cookie. You be good. 194 00:12:12,098 --> 00:12:13,332 Okay. 195 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,245 All right. 196 00:12:17,572 --> 00:12:20,052 Bye, girls. 197 00:12:21,006 --> 00:12:23,474 You girls make sure you get everything you need. 198 00:12:23,475 --> 00:12:26,010 Thank you. 199 00:12:26,011 --> 00:12:28,924 Well, come on! We'll help you unpack. 200 00:12:55,543 --> 00:12:58,143 It's nothing to be nervous about. 201 00:12:58,144 --> 00:13:00,779 Everyone's real nice here, I promise. 202 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:04,049 Hey, Paula, did ya get your cherry popped this summer? 203 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:06,887 Well, you sure didn't, Teddy, not with a face like that. 204 00:13:06,888 --> 00:13:08,855 Come on, you know we're just playin'. 205 00:13:08,855 --> 00:13:11,457 Why don't you play with yourself? 206 00:13:11,458 --> 00:13:14,995 Coy's okay, but Teddy is a goddamn delinquent. 207 00:13:14,996 --> 00:13:18,130 Those guys, they're always messing with somebody. 208 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:20,065 I'm sure she'll be okay. 209 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:21,701 You living with Paula and them? 210 00:13:21,702 --> 00:13:24,171 Yeah. For a bit, I guess. 211 00:13:24,172 --> 00:13:27,641 Well... saw you the other day. 212 00:13:27,642 --> 00:13:30,110 I live right around the corner. I'm Ricky Hobbs. 213 00:13:30,111 --> 00:13:31,478 Sylvia. 214 00:13:31,479 --> 00:13:33,513 Hey, there's a football game this weekend 215 00:13:33,514 --> 00:13:35,447 if you'd be interested in that at all. 216 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,484 I don't really much like football. 217 00:13:37,485 --> 00:13:39,295 Sylvia, come on! 218 00:13:39,986 --> 00:13:41,797 Goodbye! 219 00:13:45,394 --> 00:13:46,927 Me. 220 00:13:46,928 --> 00:13:48,962 I hope you brought my money. 221 00:13:48,963 --> 00:13:51,570 Nice to see you, too. 222 00:13:52,567 --> 00:13:54,979 Came by to see my babies. 223 00:14:02,044 --> 00:14:03,743 Hi. 224 00:14:03,744 --> 00:14:05,451 Hey. 225 00:14:06,915 --> 00:14:08,548 Leave him. 226 00:14:08,549 --> 00:14:12,896 I got my call-up papers. I'll be goin' to boot camp soon. 227 00:14:15,490 --> 00:14:17,231 Put him back down. 228 00:14:20,062 --> 00:14:22,600 Took me all day to quiet him. 229 00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:25,465 Not in front of the baby. 230 00:14:25,466 --> 00:14:27,133 Why? He don't care. 231 00:14:27,134 --> 00:14:29,275 I do! 232 00:14:32,473 --> 00:14:37,514 Listen, I'm gonna be gettin' a paycheck, so you'll be getting payments regular. 233 00:14:39,815 --> 00:14:42,488 Who's gonna take care of you? 234 00:14:44,453 --> 00:14:49,457 Well, actually, I was wondering if I could borrow a few dollars 235 00:14:49,458 --> 00:14:53,270 so I could go see my brother in Lebanon before I leave. 236 00:14:55,998 --> 00:14:59,166 If I had the money, I'd give it to you. 237 00:14:59,167 --> 00:15:02,670 I saw your new boarders. Don't tell me you're doing that for charity. 238 00:15:02,671 --> 00:15:05,007 I had to take them in because of you. 239 00:15:05,008 --> 00:15:07,009 I ain't paying for another man's kids. 240 00:15:07,010 --> 00:15:09,422 You ain't paying for your... 241 00:15:13,415 --> 00:15:15,815 I'm sorry, Gertie. 242 00:15:15,816 --> 00:15:18,059 I'm sorry. 243 00:15:19,455 --> 00:15:21,332 Sorry. 244 00:15:25,928 --> 00:15:28,530 So how was the first day of school? 245 00:15:28,531 --> 00:15:31,098 Well, I actually made a couple friends. 246 00:15:31,099 --> 00:15:34,702 See? We ain't such bad people here on the Southside. 247 00:15:34,703 --> 00:15:37,773 Can you pick up the kids and bring them home? 248 00:15:37,774 --> 00:15:39,640 There's something I gotta take care of. 249 00:15:39,641 --> 00:15:41,008 Is everything all right? 250 00:15:41,009 --> 00:15:43,712 Tell Mama I picked up an extra shift at work. 251 00:15:43,713 --> 00:15:46,348 Sure. 252 00:15:46,349 --> 00:15:50,819 You know, Paula's lookin' more and more like you every day. 253 00:15:50,820 --> 00:15:53,096 Lucky her. 254 00:15:54,390 --> 00:15:57,059 You should watch her, though. 255 00:15:57,060 --> 00:15:59,769 She's been hanging out with Bradley again. 256 00:16:00,863 --> 00:16:03,199 I hate to think what'll happen. 257 00:16:03,199 --> 00:16:05,703 Wife's got a bad temper. 258 00:16:13,943 --> 00:16:16,583 You think I could get that money? 259 00:16:21,384 --> 00:16:24,093 There's a 20 in the top drawer. 260 00:16:44,207 --> 00:16:46,475 Where do you live, Mrs. Doyle? 261 00:16:46,476 --> 00:16:48,444 3848 East New York. 262 00:16:48,445 --> 00:16:51,046 You can almost reach out of your dining room window 263 00:16:51,047 --> 00:16:53,116 into the Baniszewski kitchen, can't you? 264 00:16:53,117 --> 00:16:54,951 It's not that close. 265 00:16:54,952 --> 00:16:58,754 Because of the experience that you saw Mrs. Baniszewski having there, 266 00:16:58,755 --> 00:17:02,499 did you develop any bias or a prejudice against her? 267 00:17:03,127 --> 00:17:05,495 No, I felt sorry for the lady. 268 00:17:05,496 --> 00:17:08,431 I felt she was a hard-working woman, with all them kids. 269 00:17:08,432 --> 00:17:12,210 Do you entertain any ill feelings or animosity toward her? 270 00:17:12,703 --> 00:17:14,937 No, I can't judge her. 271 00:17:14,938 --> 00:17:17,306 I beg your pardon? 272 00:17:17,307 --> 00:17:20,185 I can't judge her. 273 00:17:22,045 --> 00:17:23,946 Would you like to say grace, Sylvia? 274 00:17:23,947 --> 00:17:25,653 Sure. 275 00:17:26,984 --> 00:17:30,954 Bless this food to our use and us to Thy service. Amen. 276 00:17:30,955 --> 00:17:33,162 Amen. 277 00:17:37,026 --> 00:17:39,562 Somebody get out there and feed that dog. 278 00:17:39,563 --> 00:17:41,941 Sure, Mama. 279 00:17:46,336 --> 00:17:47,904 Sorry I'm late. 280 00:17:47,905 --> 00:17:49,606 Where've you been? 281 00:17:49,607 --> 00:17:53,055 I picked up a shift from Ellen. 282 00:17:54,712 --> 00:17:57,981 I told you I didn't want you to see that boy any more, and I mean it. 283 00:17:57,982 --> 00:18:00,050 I didn't see him. 284 00:18:00,051 --> 00:18:01,985 Don't lie to me, Paula. 285 00:18:01,986 --> 00:18:04,354 What, was he here? Did Andy say something? 286 00:18:04,355 --> 00:18:06,590 That is none of your business. 287 00:18:06,591 --> 00:18:10,470 You just don't want me making the same mistakes that you made. 288 00:18:18,603 --> 00:18:21,550 I said, feed that dog! 289 00:18:25,643 --> 00:18:28,056 Johnny, feed the dog! 290 00:18:40,192 --> 00:18:42,400 What's wrong, Paula? 291 00:18:44,563 --> 00:18:47,203 I've got problems, Sylvia. 292 00:18:48,032 --> 00:18:50,342 Big problems. 293 00:18:53,739 --> 00:18:55,912 With Bradley? 294 00:19:00,745 --> 00:19:03,590 I went to the doctor's office. 295 00:19:06,018 --> 00:19:08,499 I'm pregnant. 296 00:19:14,525 --> 00:19:17,028 You know he's already married. 297 00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:18,929 He ain't gonna want a baby. 298 00:19:18,930 --> 00:19:22,412 And I... I don't know what I'm gonna do. 299 00:19:24,937 --> 00:19:27,605 You gotta tell him. 300 00:19:27,606 --> 00:19:30,275 I can't. 301 00:19:30,276 --> 00:19:32,781 Well, you kinda gotta. 302 00:19:34,713 --> 00:19:40,951 You need to promise me that you won't say anything to anybody. 303 00:19:40,952 --> 00:19:45,129 Not a word until I figure out what I'm gonna do, okay? 304 00:19:47,126 --> 00:19:49,971 Yeah, I promise. 305 00:19:53,165 --> 00:19:55,508 It's gonna be okay. 306 00:20:13,386 --> 00:20:15,365 Oh. 307 00:20:58,164 --> 00:21:00,907 Mama? 308 00:21:06,639 --> 00:21:08,449 Mama! 309 00:21:18,985 --> 00:21:21,830 I want you all upstairs. 310 00:21:22,756 --> 00:21:24,760 Come on. 311 00:21:25,558 --> 00:21:27,663 Except for you two. 312 00:21:29,229 --> 00:21:31,938 I want you down in the basement. 313 00:21:47,548 --> 00:21:50,382 Your daddy's check didn't arrive today. 314 00:21:50,383 --> 00:21:53,052 Oh, it's probably just late. 315 00:21:53,053 --> 00:21:56,522 I mean, my mama, she wouldn't let him forget. 316 00:21:56,523 --> 00:21:58,191 You know what I think? 317 00:21:58,192 --> 00:22:03,540 I just took care of you two for two weeks for nothin'! 318 00:22:04,765 --> 00:22:09,369 I think your Mama and Daddy left you here for good. 319 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:11,371 They wouldn't do that. 320 00:22:11,372 --> 00:22:13,944 Keep your mouth shut. 321 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:21,656 Lean over those. 322 00:22:22,183 --> 00:22:24,665 Go on. Lean over. 323 00:22:41,369 --> 00:22:42,937 Come on. Come on. 324 00:22:42,938 --> 00:22:44,238 Don't, please. 325 00:22:44,239 --> 00:22:45,306 Get up! 326 00:22:45,307 --> 00:22:46,707 Gertie! 327 00:22:46,708 --> 00:22:48,042 No! Let go of me! 328 00:22:48,043 --> 00:22:51,252 Look, I can take hers. 329 00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,844 Okay. 330 00:23:14,836 --> 00:23:16,782 Come on. 331 00:23:24,746 --> 00:23:26,818 Okay. 332 00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:34,935 I need that money. 333 00:23:53,142 --> 00:23:55,520 Come on, Jennie. 334 00:23:57,947 --> 00:24:01,860 It ain't like we never had a spanking before. 335 00:24:04,219 --> 00:24:07,725 That check's gonna come tomorrow. I swear. 336 00:24:26,242 --> 00:24:27,509 Johnny! 337 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:29,244 What? Give me that thing back. 338 00:24:29,245 --> 00:24:31,581 Stop it! Stop hurting me. 339 00:24:31,582 --> 00:24:34,816 I'm 15. I should be able to go. 340 00:24:34,817 --> 00:24:37,519 Someone's gotta look after the little ones. 341 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,255 I wonder if Bradley is gonna be there. 342 00:24:40,256 --> 00:24:42,725 Stop it! 343 00:24:42,726 --> 00:24:44,893 Freedom was in jeopardy 344 00:24:44,894 --> 00:24:48,830 and a struggling people had been brought 345 00:24:48,831 --> 00:24:52,906 almost to their knees by aggression, 346 00:24:53,569 --> 00:24:56,171 when William Westmoreland 347 00:24:56,172 --> 00:24:59,711 was called to urgent duty. 348 00:25:00,544 --> 00:25:03,111 His mission was to deny aggression 349 00:25:03,112 --> 00:25:05,548 its conquest. 350 00:25:05,549 --> 00:25:09,121 It was a mission simple enough to state, 351 00:25:09,987 --> 00:25:12,288 but to execute that mission 352 00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:17,058 he had to fight the most complex war in all American history. 353 00:25:17,059 --> 00:25:19,395 So what are you gonna see tonight, Stephanie? 354 00:25:19,396 --> 00:25:21,464 We ain't gonna be seein' a movie, Marie. 355 00:25:21,465 --> 00:25:25,133 The only thing she'll be seeing is Coy's hands while she's pushing him away. 356 00:25:25,134 --> 00:25:26,736 I might not be pushing too hard. 357 00:25:26,737 --> 00:25:28,705 Yeah, yeah, Princess Priss. 358 00:25:28,705 --> 00:25:30,773 You'd scream if he breathed on your blouse. 359 00:25:30,774 --> 00:25:32,875 That's not true, Paula, and you know it. 360 00:25:32,876 --> 00:25:35,413 Don't give Sylvia the wrong idea now. 361 00:25:36,146 --> 00:25:38,115 Look, I shot his eye out. 362 00:25:38,116 --> 00:25:39,649 Why'd you do that? 363 00:25:39,650 --> 00:25:41,755 Johnny, get out of here! 364 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:43,953 You're dead. 365 00:25:43,954 --> 00:25:46,332 This is crazy. 366 00:25:47,057 --> 00:25:49,792 This is argh! This is crap! 367 00:25:49,793 --> 00:25:53,429 There's nothing ever to do in this shithole town! 368 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:55,064 It ain't that bad, Teddy! 369 00:25:55,065 --> 00:25:56,977 Yeah, it is. 370 00:25:59,069 --> 00:26:00,981 Hi. 371 00:26:06,309 --> 00:26:08,277 I don't know about you, 372 00:26:08,278 --> 00:26:10,279 but I'm staying out all night tonight. 373 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,517 Your parents ain't gonna like that. 374 00:26:13,518 --> 00:26:17,159 They don't give a shit. Ticklish? 375 00:26:18,222 --> 00:26:19,655 You like it here? 376 00:26:19,656 --> 00:26:21,358 Yeah, it's real nice. 377 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,393 Look who's here. 378 00:26:23,394 --> 00:26:25,161 I'll be right back. 379 00:26:25,162 --> 00:26:27,108 Maybe you shouldn't. 380 00:26:33,037 --> 00:26:34,637 Hey. 381 00:26:34,638 --> 00:26:38,142 Ricky, you shouldn't sneak up on girls like that. 382 00:26:38,143 --> 00:26:39,810 Sorry. 383 00:26:39,811 --> 00:26:43,246 Hey, nursery's around the corner. 384 00:26:43,247 --> 00:26:45,782 You might want to get back before they miss you. 385 00:26:45,783 --> 00:26:47,785 I brought some favors. 386 00:26:47,786 --> 00:26:49,629 Gimme some of that! 387 00:26:53,423 --> 00:26:55,259 What are you doing here? 388 00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:56,828 I just came to see you. 389 00:26:56,829 --> 00:26:58,795 I thought we talked about it. 390 00:26:58,796 --> 00:27:01,776 I'll just be right back. 391 00:27:05,136 --> 00:27:08,105 I already told you my wife's back from her cousin's house. 392 00:27:08,106 --> 00:27:09,940 That's it, okay? 393 00:27:09,941 --> 00:27:13,753 Now, be a good girl and go play with your friends. 394 00:27:15,881 --> 00:27:20,250 You know, my mama's been calling you trash, and I'm starting to believe her. 395 00:27:20,251 --> 00:27:24,988 You should listen to your mama, Paula. She knows best. 396 00:27:24,989 --> 00:27:27,124 I know you don't mean that. 397 00:27:27,125 --> 00:27:29,093 Get off me! Get off me! 398 00:27:29,094 --> 00:27:32,129 No, I don't... 399 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:34,531 Is this what you want, huh? Something like this, huh? 400 00:27:34,532 --> 00:27:36,066 Stop it! 401 00:27:36,067 --> 00:27:39,082 Get the hell out. This is a private conversation. 402 00:27:39,739 --> 00:27:42,445 She's pregnant! 403 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,920 Don't try to pull that shit on me. I know that ain't true. 404 00:27:53,017 --> 00:27:55,089 There ain't no way. 405 00:27:56,822 --> 00:27:58,893 Stay away. 406 00:28:00,492 --> 00:28:02,360 Paula, I'm so sorry. I just wanted... 407 00:28:02,361 --> 00:28:04,862 You're gonna pay for that. 408 00:28:04,863 --> 00:28:07,139 Paula! I ju... 409 00:28:11,137 --> 00:28:13,004 Is everything okay? 410 00:28:13,005 --> 00:28:15,678 Will you quit following me? 411 00:28:27,487 --> 00:28:29,193 Paula? 412 00:28:30,824 --> 00:28:34,703 Honey, you're crying. What's wrong? 413 00:28:35,361 --> 00:28:38,329 I ain't talking to him any more. 414 00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:39,731 Oh. 415 00:28:39,732 --> 00:28:43,475 That's a good girl. That's a good girl. Yeah. 416 00:28:44,571 --> 00:28:47,338 Yeah, we're gonna find you a good man, honey. 417 00:28:47,339 --> 00:28:50,185 Not like Andy or your daddy. 418 00:28:51,243 --> 00:28:53,678 But Sylvia said... 419 00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:55,682 What? 420 00:28:59,351 --> 00:29:03,095 She's tellin' horrible lies about me. 421 00:29:06,259 --> 00:29:08,569 What kind of lies? 422 00:29:13,666 --> 00:29:16,908 Telling everyone I'm a slut. 423 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,453 You should've seen her with those boys, telling everyone I was a slut. 424 00:29:25,746 --> 00:29:27,954 Sylvia said that? 425 00:29:36,123 --> 00:29:38,500 Don't worry, babe. 426 00:29:39,459 --> 00:29:41,496 Don't you worry. 427 00:29:47,501 --> 00:29:51,404 Did you ever hear Sylvia use any profanity or vulgar language? 428 00:29:51,405 --> 00:29:53,205 No, sir. 429 00:29:53,206 --> 00:29:58,110 Now, do you know how often Sylvia went to Sunday School and church? 430 00:29:58,111 --> 00:29:59,879 She would go every time we would. 431 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,447 Did Sylvia have a Bible? 432 00:30:01,448 --> 00:30:02,748 Yes. 433 00:30:02,749 --> 00:30:04,850 Did she dress up nice and clean? 434 00:30:04,851 --> 00:30:06,485 Yes, sir. 435 00:30:06,486 --> 00:30:10,556 As Matthew said, "Enter by the narrow gate, 436 00:30:10,557 --> 00:30:13,927 "for the gate is wide and the way is easy 437 00:30:13,928 --> 00:30:17,163 "that leads to destruction. 438 00:30:17,164 --> 00:30:20,737 "And those who enter by it are many, 439 00:30:22,236 --> 00:30:26,072 "for the gate is narrow and the way is hard 440 00:30:26,073 --> 00:30:28,241 "that leads to life. 441 00:30:28,242 --> 00:30:32,714 And those who find it are few." 442 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:51,970 Jennie, come sit with me. 443 00:31:11,386 --> 00:31:15,391 We need to get upstairs and get changed. 444 00:31:16,724 --> 00:31:18,898 I want you all down here. 445 00:31:19,662 --> 00:31:21,800 Family meeting. 446 00:31:24,098 --> 00:31:26,603 It's a lesson for all of you. 447 00:31:42,951 --> 00:31:45,398 You need to apologize to Paula. 448 00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:53,461 But, Gertie, I didn't... 449 00:31:53,462 --> 00:31:55,697 I want you to apologize. 450 00:31:55,698 --> 00:31:57,498 What'd she do, Mama? 451 00:31:57,499 --> 00:32:01,311 She's been spreadin' lies about your sister. 452 00:32:10,346 --> 00:32:12,485 I'm sorry. 453 00:32:13,716 --> 00:32:17,318 Paula, you have a right to get even. 454 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,219 What do you want to do? 455 00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:22,294 I want you to punish her, Mama. 456 00:32:24,025 --> 00:32:26,861 You need to learn to fight your own battles, baby. 457 00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:29,434 Johnny, grab her arms. 458 00:32:30,032 --> 00:32:31,599 I said I was sorry! 459 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,521 I don't care what you said! 460 00:32:36,205 --> 00:32:39,346 Go on. She's got it comin'. 461 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,621 That's it! 462 00:32:47,549 --> 00:32:50,257 See if she can defend herself. 463 00:32:56,325 --> 00:33:00,663 I am not! I am not! 464 00:33:00,664 --> 00:33:03,371 She's not! 465 00:33:05,101 --> 00:33:07,137 Dammit! 466 00:33:08,038 --> 00:33:09,812 That's it, that's it. 467 00:33:12,609 --> 00:33:14,953 Get up. Get up. 468 00:33:19,249 --> 00:33:21,182 She's learned her lesson. 469 00:33:21,183 --> 00:33:25,223 That's what happens when you tell lies. 470 00:33:25,921 --> 00:33:27,731 Go on. 471 00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:40,408 You, too. Get. 472 00:34:03,226 --> 00:34:05,502 Are you awake? 473 00:34:11,501 --> 00:34:13,413 Are you okay? 474 00:34:16,574 --> 00:34:19,246 Did you say your prayers yet? 475 00:34:22,213 --> 00:34:25,024 How about Mama's favorite Psalm? 476 00:34:31,322 --> 00:34:35,395 "Turn Thou to me, and be gracious to me, Lord, 477 00:34:36,227 --> 00:34:39,595 "for I am lonely and afflicted. 478 00:34:39,596 --> 00:34:42,399 "Relieve the troubles of my heart, 479 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,472 "and bring me out of my distresses. 480 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:51,241 "Consider how many are my foes. 481 00:34:51,242 --> 00:34:52,742 Thank you. 482 00:34:52,743 --> 00:34:55,486 "And with what violence they hate me. 483 00:34:57,316 --> 00:35:00,353 "Guard my life and deliver me. 484 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:04,597 "Let me not be put to shame, 485 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:08,498 "for I take refuge in Thee. 486 00:35:10,895 --> 00:35:14,468 "May integrity and uprightness preserve me, 487 00:35:18,369 --> 00:35:20,645 for I wait for Thee." 488 00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:41,525 I hear your sister's pregnant. Who's the guy? 489 00:35:41,526 --> 00:35:44,761 Stop it, Coy. That's not funny. 490 00:35:44,762 --> 00:35:46,834 I didn't say it. 491 00:35:48,533 --> 00:35:51,513 A lot of people are talking. 492 00:36:14,726 --> 00:36:16,831 Why aren't you in school? 493 00:36:27,738 --> 00:36:30,185 You, uh, doing okay? 494 00:36:31,443 --> 00:36:32,778 Yeah. 495 00:36:32,779 --> 00:36:35,514 It's, uh, Sylvia, right? 496 00:36:35,515 --> 00:36:37,688 Yeah. 497 00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:40,319 Eric. 498 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,653 Yeah, I... I've seen you at church. 499 00:36:42,654 --> 00:36:44,862 Yeah, that's me. 500 00:36:45,591 --> 00:36:47,980 You going to the picnic on Saturday? 501 00:36:49,161 --> 00:36:51,329 Um, I hope so. 502 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:54,437 Okay. Maybe I'll see you there. 503 00:36:59,138 --> 00:37:01,272 I... I better go. 504 00:37:01,273 --> 00:37:03,378 Okay. 505 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,815 What was Mama so upset about the other day? 506 00:37:09,816 --> 00:37:13,284 You heard. Told everyone Paula was a slut. 507 00:37:13,285 --> 00:37:16,063 That's not true, is it? 508 00:37:17,656 --> 00:37:21,162 There's some worse rumors going round about her now. 509 00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:26,832 You think she's pregnant? 510 00:37:26,833 --> 00:37:28,400 What do you think? 511 00:37:28,401 --> 00:37:30,973 She's easy. 512 00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:42,526 Thanks. 513 00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:46,717 How's your mama? 514 00:37:46,718 --> 00:37:48,754 Okay. 515 00:37:48,755 --> 00:37:50,922 She still in the hospital? 516 00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:53,063 Yeah. 517 00:37:58,364 --> 00:38:00,845 Who's taking care of you? 518 00:38:03,503 --> 00:38:05,449 I am. 519 00:38:07,874 --> 00:38:10,378 You don't have a girlfriend? 520 00:38:12,413 --> 00:38:13,946 I don't know. 521 00:38:13,947 --> 00:38:15,013 You don't know? 522 00:38:15,014 --> 00:38:16,883 No. I don't know. 523 00:38:16,884 --> 00:38:18,989 Does she know? 524 00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:24,223 You want a sip? 525 00:38:24,224 --> 00:38:26,364 I ain't old enough. 526 00:38:29,496 --> 00:38:33,398 You ain't old enough to smoke either, but that's not stoppin' you. 527 00:38:38,739 --> 00:38:40,446 Jennie? 528 00:38:41,207 --> 00:38:44,344 I think we should call Mom and Dad. 529 00:38:44,345 --> 00:38:46,980 How are we supposed to do that? 530 00:38:46,981 --> 00:38:50,053 I found this in the trash. 531 00:38:56,055 --> 00:38:59,971 So, uh, how long is Sylvia gonna be staying here? 532 00:39:00,561 --> 00:39:03,565 You got a crush on Sylvia? 533 00:39:11,072 --> 00:39:13,815 She is pretty. 534 00:39:14,842 --> 00:39:16,509 When I was in high school, 535 00:39:16,510 --> 00:39:20,755 I was popular with the boys, too. They all chased me. 536 00:39:23,117 --> 00:39:25,256 I believe it. 537 00:39:25,986 --> 00:39:28,160 Thank you. 538 00:39:29,122 --> 00:39:32,069 Oh, you're warm! 539 00:39:37,365 --> 00:39:40,067 What are you doing home from school so early? 540 00:39:40,068 --> 00:39:43,311 I'm not feeling real good. 541 00:39:44,072 --> 00:39:46,607 Paula? 542 00:39:46,608 --> 00:39:48,644 You better go. 543 00:39:50,211 --> 00:39:51,945 All right, you first. 544 00:39:51,946 --> 00:39:53,179 Hello? 545 00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:54,915 Mama? 546 00:39:54,916 --> 00:39:57,451 Oh, honey! I was afraid you didn't get our letter. 547 00:39:57,452 --> 00:40:00,087 Oh, Mama, we miss you so much. 548 00:40:00,088 --> 00:40:01,622 Oh, I miss you, too, honey. 549 00:40:01,623 --> 00:40:03,858 I'm gonna be picking you up in two weeks. 550 00:40:03,859 --> 00:40:06,430 So, how's everything going there? 551 00:40:07,862 --> 00:40:10,464 Well, Gertrude's awful strict, Mama. 552 00:40:10,465 --> 00:40:12,700 We got in a whole lot of trouble. 553 00:40:12,701 --> 00:40:14,468 What do you mean? Did she punish you? 554 00:40:14,469 --> 00:40:17,539 What, have those girls been gettin' in trouble again? 555 00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:19,672 She got mad 'cause your check's late. 556 00:40:19,673 --> 00:40:21,275 Our check was late? 557 00:40:21,276 --> 00:40:24,344 No, it wasn't. Let me talk to her. 558 00:40:24,345 --> 00:40:25,980 We gotta go. 559 00:40:25,981 --> 00:40:28,757 Sylvia? Sylvia! 560 00:40:30,652 --> 00:40:32,827 They're coming, Mama. 561 00:40:42,031 --> 00:40:45,199 Calling your boyfriend, Sylvia? 562 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,402 No. I mean, nobody special. 563 00:40:48,403 --> 00:40:51,739 It was our parents. 564 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:53,908 Thank you, Jennie. 565 00:40:53,909 --> 00:40:56,678 Where'd you get the money to make a long distance call? 566 00:40:56,679 --> 00:41:00,348 I went bottle-picking in the park and traded them in. 567 00:41:00,349 --> 00:41:03,262 Honest, that's all she did. 568 00:41:18,834 --> 00:41:20,369 What's she gonna do? 569 00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:24,439 What she always does when she catches you stealing. 570 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,608 Are you gonna lie to me again? 571 00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:28,010 No, Gertie. 572 00:41:28,011 --> 00:41:30,045 You gonna steal in this household? 573 00:41:30,046 --> 00:41:32,581 I didn't steal from you, Gertie. 574 00:41:32,582 --> 00:41:34,549 Are you gonna call your parents 575 00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:37,719 and whine that Gertie doesn't treat you right? 576 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,887 No, ma'am. 577 00:41:39,888 --> 00:41:41,892 Okay. 578 00:41:44,727 --> 00:41:47,528 I'm sorry! I'm sorry! 579 00:41:47,529 --> 00:41:49,373 No! 580 00:41:54,570 --> 00:41:58,713 Okay. Okay. That's a good girl. That's a good girl. 581 00:42:02,879 --> 00:42:05,256 You want to put some ice on that. 582 00:42:14,057 --> 00:42:17,594 Now, I think you stated, Marie, that your sister Paula, 583 00:42:17,595 --> 00:42:21,630 you volunteered, that Paula was jealous of Sylvia? 584 00:42:21,631 --> 00:42:25,335 Every time she looked at her, her eyes looked like she hated her. 585 00:42:25,336 --> 00:42:28,837 Do you know what the word jealous means? 586 00:42:28,838 --> 00:42:30,806 Angry at someone? 587 00:42:30,807 --> 00:42:32,975 Can you assign a reason 588 00:42:32,976 --> 00:42:37,755 as to why Paula might shoot Sylvia those angry, jealous glances? 589 00:42:39,482 --> 00:42:41,784 I guess because Sylvia thought 590 00:42:41,785 --> 00:42:44,953 she was so much more important than Paula was. 591 00:42:44,954 --> 00:42:47,856 Do you remember a time you went to Bethany Baptist Church 592 00:42:47,857 --> 00:42:51,636 and they had little sandwiches and something to drink? 593 00:42:55,299 --> 00:42:58,568 Haven't seen you at Youth Group in a few weeks. 594 00:42:58,569 --> 00:43:02,872 Oh, I'm sorry, Mrs. Orbach, I had to work. 595 00:43:02,873 --> 00:43:05,445 What happened to your arm, Paula? 596 00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:08,845 I lost my temper. With Sylvia. 597 00:43:08,846 --> 00:43:12,327 Well, what do you mean? What happened? 598 00:43:14,386 --> 00:43:17,553 She's been doing some real terrible things. 599 00:43:17,554 --> 00:43:20,400 Had to be real strict with her. 600 00:43:22,293 --> 00:43:24,527 Oh, it's okay, it's okay. Come on. 601 00:43:24,528 --> 00:43:27,271 Don't take too much. 602 00:43:28,767 --> 00:43:30,433 What are you doing here? 603 00:43:30,434 --> 00:43:33,744 Came by for the free food. And the women. 604 00:43:34,505 --> 00:43:36,140 I hope you don't want any money, 605 00:43:36,141 --> 00:43:38,676 because until John Senior sends me... 606 00:43:38,677 --> 00:43:40,375 I'm not here for money. 607 00:43:40,376 --> 00:43:43,860 Bradley sent me. About Paula. 608 00:43:46,218 --> 00:43:47,784 Did you say hi to the baby yet? 609 00:43:47,785 --> 00:43:50,266 Uh-uh. 610 00:43:52,456 --> 00:43:53,990 Look, about yesterday... 611 00:43:53,991 --> 00:43:55,492 It's fine. 612 00:43:55,493 --> 00:43:57,160 I'm really... 613 00:43:57,161 --> 00:44:00,176 It's all right. Mama'll be back end of this week. 614 00:44:08,472 --> 00:44:10,341 Hey. 615 00:44:10,342 --> 00:44:12,176 Hi. 616 00:44:12,177 --> 00:44:15,880 Couple of my friends, we're eating over there, if you want to join us. 617 00:44:15,881 --> 00:44:17,281 Sure. 618 00:44:17,282 --> 00:44:19,416 Okay. 619 00:44:19,417 --> 00:44:20,985 Sylvia. 620 00:44:20,986 --> 00:44:22,653 Just one second. 621 00:44:22,654 --> 00:44:25,890 Yeah, I'll be over there. 622 00:44:25,891 --> 00:44:29,894 Ricky, you know what I said the other day about Paula? 623 00:44:29,895 --> 00:44:31,896 Did you say something? 624 00:44:31,897 --> 00:44:34,031 No. 625 00:44:34,032 --> 00:44:37,902 'Cause people are talkin', and Stephanie and Paula, they're blamin' me. 626 00:44:37,903 --> 00:44:41,181 No, no. I wouldn't do something like that. 627 00:44:42,207 --> 00:44:44,483 I better go. 628 00:44:49,514 --> 00:44:51,782 They're saying she's pregnant? 629 00:44:51,783 --> 00:44:54,251 I bet he'd be willing to pay for the abortion if... 630 00:44:54,252 --> 00:44:56,287 Shut up! Keep your voice down, please. 631 00:44:56,288 --> 00:45:00,424 If Paula's willing to go through with it. Anything to keep it quiet. 632 00:45:00,425 --> 00:45:02,839 Here. 633 00:45:05,530 --> 00:45:08,799 There's not gonna be any abortion, because she's not pregnant. 634 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,714 He didn't even know about it. I think Sylvia's the one saying it. 635 00:45:14,006 --> 00:45:18,142 That girl has been nothing but trouble since she came into my house. 636 00:45:18,143 --> 00:45:22,353 If anybody's pregnant, she is. I bet she is. 637 00:45:26,484 --> 00:45:28,620 I'm gonna take off. 638 00:45:28,621 --> 00:45:31,022 Bye, Kenny. 639 00:45:31,023 --> 00:45:33,002 Bye. 640 00:45:35,193 --> 00:45:36,461 He'll be back, baby. 641 00:45:36,462 --> 00:45:38,237 Hey. 642 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,546 Coming over to hang out with the grownups? 643 00:45:50,776 --> 00:45:52,911 I got some advice for you. 644 00:45:52,912 --> 00:45:56,047 I wouldn't come between Gertie and her kids. 645 00:45:56,048 --> 00:45:59,586 She don't like it much. All right. 646 00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:07,663 Okay, Gertie? 647 00:46:09,662 --> 00:46:12,336 Yeah. I'm fine. 648 00:46:13,834 --> 00:46:17,788 A bunch of us're gonna go cruise the circle. You want to come with? 649 00:46:18,739 --> 00:46:22,807 I should probably ask Gertie first. 650 00:46:22,808 --> 00:46:25,312 You sure? 651 00:46:26,313 --> 00:46:28,986 Come on, let's get out of here. 652 00:46:34,587 --> 00:46:37,389 Looks like Sylvia's going off with them boys. 653 00:46:37,390 --> 00:46:40,426 You sound surprised, Ricky Hobbs. 654 00:46:40,427 --> 00:46:42,737 You shouldn't be. 655 00:46:43,563 --> 00:46:46,408 Let me go again. 656 00:46:48,901 --> 00:46:51,473 Okay, Patty, you can go now. 657 00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:58,146 Sure you can't come to the drive-in with us? 658 00:46:59,446 --> 00:47:03,087 No, I... I'm late as it is. 659 00:47:03,984 --> 00:47:06,020 Come on. 660 00:47:08,422 --> 00:47:11,494 Well, I guess I'll see you next Sunday, then. 661 00:47:24,805 --> 00:47:26,910 Shut that door. 662 00:47:39,486 --> 00:47:43,127 I thought I taught you a lesson. 663 00:47:47,562 --> 00:47:49,962 I don't understand. 664 00:47:49,963 --> 00:47:54,743 Apparently, you've been telling more lies about my daughter. 665 00:47:56,971 --> 00:48:00,112 I haven't told any lies. 666 00:48:03,477 --> 00:48:05,445 And then you flirt with Andy. 667 00:48:05,446 --> 00:48:07,280 I didn't. 668 00:48:07,281 --> 00:48:09,591 I saw you! 669 00:48:14,589 --> 00:48:17,723 It doesn't matter what you want, you'll just... 670 00:48:17,724 --> 00:48:20,828 You'll just go take it! 671 00:48:20,829 --> 00:48:26,767 No, Gertie. We were just talkin'. 672 00:48:26,768 --> 00:48:29,044 That's all. 673 00:48:34,442 --> 00:48:35,843 Who's in charge here? 674 00:48:35,844 --> 00:48:37,444 You are, Mama. 675 00:48:37,445 --> 00:48:40,052 That's right, baby. 676 00:48:49,224 --> 00:48:53,895 Paula told me about those boys in California. 677 00:48:53,896 --> 00:48:58,003 Ricky, did Sylvia tell you about all those boys in California? 678 00:48:59,334 --> 00:49:01,370 No. 679 00:49:03,337 --> 00:49:06,673 Well, if you won't listen, maybe I can get through to your sister. 680 00:49:06,674 --> 00:49:10,645 Keep her from making your mistakes. 681 00:49:10,646 --> 00:49:15,425 Jennie. Do you wanna be like your sister? 682 00:49:17,887 --> 00:49:19,627 No, ma'am. 683 00:49:21,457 --> 00:49:23,937 That's a good girl. 684 00:49:56,792 --> 00:49:59,494 Patty, then what did Mrs. Baniszewski do? 685 00:49:59,495 --> 00:50:03,699 She handed her the bottle and told her to pull up her skirt. 686 00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:05,634 And then? 687 00:50:05,635 --> 00:50:09,776 And then, she said to put it up her. 688 00:50:11,907 --> 00:50:15,444 Did Sylvia say anything when Mrs. Baniszewski asked her to do this? 689 00:50:15,445 --> 00:50:18,713 All she said was... 690 00:50:18,714 --> 00:50:20,582 I can't. 691 00:50:20,583 --> 00:50:22,818 What did Mrs. Baniszewski say? 692 00:50:22,819 --> 00:50:24,085 She said... 693 00:50:24,086 --> 00:50:26,155 Come on. You can do better than that. 694 00:50:26,156 --> 00:50:27,990 Then what did Sylvia do? 695 00:50:27,991 --> 00:50:30,759 What Gertie told her to. 696 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,928 Oww! 697 00:50:32,929 --> 00:50:34,773 What the hell's going on? 698 00:50:35,765 --> 00:50:37,499 Somebody clean up that mess! 699 00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,073 Sylvia, get upstairs. Coy, get her up there! 700 00:50:45,108 --> 00:50:49,145 Wait! I will not have her in the same room with my daughters. 701 00:50:49,146 --> 00:50:50,812 Take her to the basement. 702 00:50:50,813 --> 00:50:53,649 Please. I'm sorry! I'm sorry! 703 00:50:53,650 --> 00:50:56,952 I'm sorry! Jennie! Jennie! I'm sorry! 704 00:50:56,953 --> 00:50:59,230 Get her out of here! 705 00:51:01,558 --> 00:51:05,160 Best to stay out of it, I think. 706 00:51:05,161 --> 00:51:08,931 Don't worry, Jennie. Mama's just teaching her. 707 00:51:08,932 --> 00:51:10,466 She won't go down! 708 00:51:10,467 --> 00:51:13,004 I don't care! Just push her! 709 00:52:11,428 --> 00:52:14,102 Hey, Marie! 710 00:52:45,864 --> 00:52:48,097 Sylvia. 711 00:52:48,098 --> 00:52:50,341 Sylvia. 712 00:52:55,473 --> 00:52:58,112 I'm sorry, Sylvia. 713 00:52:59,377 --> 00:53:01,812 But I'm scared. 714 00:53:01,813 --> 00:53:05,762 I... I tried talking with Gertie. 715 00:53:09,554 --> 00:53:14,902 She... she said you could have your Bible. 716 00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:22,000 Jennie, Mama wants you upstairs. 717 00:53:22,001 --> 00:53:24,846 Family meeting. 718 00:53:26,505 --> 00:53:29,007 I'll do what I can. 719 00:53:30,075 --> 00:53:32,022 She said now. 720 00:53:54,699 --> 00:53:56,434 Stop hitting me! 721 00:53:56,435 --> 00:53:57,869 Give it to me! 722 00:53:57,870 --> 00:54:01,715 John, get me my medicine, please. 723 00:54:03,075 --> 00:54:07,213 Oh, this neighborhood, it's not good for my asthma. 724 00:54:07,214 --> 00:54:09,279 Maybe we could move. 725 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,014 Where would we move to, Shirley? 726 00:54:11,015 --> 00:54:12,951 I don't know. 727 00:54:12,952 --> 00:54:15,262 I don't wanna move. 728 00:54:21,093 --> 00:54:23,695 I had a call with your parents today. 729 00:54:23,696 --> 00:54:25,964 Are they coming for us? 730 00:54:25,965 --> 00:54:28,333 They picked up the Florida leg of the circuit, 731 00:54:28,334 --> 00:54:31,337 so they won't be here for you until the end of November now. 732 00:54:31,338 --> 00:54:34,306 Their checks are comin' in regular, 733 00:54:34,306 --> 00:54:37,609 but my ironing's slowed down 734 00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:39,445 quite a bit. 735 00:54:39,446 --> 00:54:42,747 So we're all gonna have to work together as a family. 736 00:54:42,748 --> 00:54:46,719 Maybe I can eat more at Coy's house, Mama. That might help. 737 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,319 Coy? 738 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,689 Mama won't mind. She likes Stephanie a lot. 739 00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:53,728 Thank you. 740 00:54:56,162 --> 00:54:58,531 Paula. 741 00:54:58,532 --> 00:55:01,901 Baby, you're gonna have to pick up more shifts at work. 742 00:55:01,902 --> 00:55:04,349 Maybe quit Tech for a while. 743 00:55:05,871 --> 00:55:08,574 What about Stephanie? 744 00:55:08,575 --> 00:55:10,409 Why does she get to go to school? 745 00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:12,111 'Cause she's smarter than you! 746 00:55:12,112 --> 00:55:14,079 Shut up, Johnny. 747 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,715 I'm smarter than the both of you! 748 00:55:16,716 --> 00:55:20,756 Stop it! Y'all stop it! 749 00:55:23,223 --> 00:55:26,091 That's another thing we have to work on around here. 750 00:55:26,092 --> 00:55:30,563 We all have to learn to get along better. 751 00:55:30,564 --> 00:55:35,979 How long until Sylvia's out of the basement? 752 00:55:37,070 --> 00:55:40,745 Until she learns her lesson. 753 00:55:42,108 --> 00:55:44,213 Mama. 754 00:55:47,013 --> 00:55:50,086 She needs to be punished, Paula. 755 00:55:52,552 --> 00:55:54,726 Yes, Mama. 756 00:55:56,856 --> 00:55:59,726 Now, if anybody asks, 757 00:55:59,727 --> 00:56:04,005 Sylvia had to go to Juvenile. 758 00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:11,015 You got that, Jennie? 759 00:56:17,979 --> 00:56:20,255 Okay. 760 00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:22,989 That's it. 761 00:56:48,376 --> 00:56:50,754 Are you asleep? 762 00:56:56,651 --> 00:56:58,961 You okay? 763 00:57:05,593 --> 00:57:08,666 It's only gonna be for a little while. 764 00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:23,043 Did you ever hear or see Sylvia talk back to any of these people 765 00:57:23,044 --> 00:57:25,178 when these things were being done to her? 766 00:57:25,179 --> 00:57:26,881 No, I never. 767 00:57:26,882 --> 00:57:29,983 When it first started, did she say anything then? 768 00:57:29,984 --> 00:57:34,354 No, except she would say "I'm sorry," or something like that, 769 00:57:34,355 --> 00:57:39,060 as if she did something wrong, but she never did anything wrong. 770 00:57:39,061 --> 00:57:44,600 Did you yourself on any of these occasions do anything to Sylvia? 771 00:57:44,601 --> 00:57:47,478 I just did what I was told. 772 00:57:50,606 --> 00:57:52,273 During the month of September, 773 00:57:52,274 --> 00:57:56,018 did you see anyone else do anything to Sylvia? 774 00:58:37,986 --> 00:58:40,262 See, I told you so. 775 00:58:43,226 --> 00:58:44,993 Damn! 776 00:58:44,994 --> 00:58:46,327 What'd she do? 777 00:58:46,328 --> 00:58:47,796 She's been real bad. 778 00:58:47,797 --> 00:58:50,834 She's dirty. Mama said she's a slut. 779 00:58:53,937 --> 00:58:55,269 Johnny! 780 00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:58,877 Don't worry about it. She's used to it. 781 00:58:59,575 --> 00:59:01,646 Watch this. 782 00:59:08,083 --> 00:59:09,184 Nice, huh? 783 00:59:09,185 --> 00:59:10,953 You just burn her like that? 784 00:59:10,954 --> 00:59:12,621 Yeah. You can, too. 785 00:59:12,622 --> 00:59:13,822 I don't want to. 786 00:59:13,823 --> 00:59:14,890 You chicken? 787 00:59:14,891 --> 00:59:16,325 It's okay. 788 00:59:16,326 --> 00:59:18,431 Mama said we can. 789 00:59:47,291 --> 00:59:51,695 Did you see Sally take cigarettes and actually burn Sylvia with them? 790 00:59:51,696 --> 00:59:52,895 Yes. 791 00:59:52,896 --> 00:59:54,263 How many times? 792 00:59:54,264 --> 00:59:57,499 She would do it every time she came over. 793 00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:59,334 And how many times would that be? 794 00:59:59,335 --> 01:00:01,237 Every day. 795 01:00:01,238 --> 01:00:03,906 Did you go to 3850 East New York Street 796 01:00:03,907 --> 01:00:06,209 during the months of September and October? 797 01:00:06,210 --> 01:00:09,344 Yes, sir. We would go most days after school. 798 01:00:09,345 --> 01:00:13,049 And did you see Sylvia Likens in the basement of that house? 799 01:00:13,050 --> 01:00:14,484 Yes, sir. 800 01:00:14,485 --> 01:00:16,419 Did you do anything at all to help her? 801 01:00:16,420 --> 01:00:18,221 No, sir. 802 01:00:18,222 --> 01:00:21,124 What would the other children be doing around the house? 803 01:00:21,125 --> 01:00:23,059 Playing around. 804 01:00:23,060 --> 01:00:25,795 Did you tell the other kids they should come over to the house 805 01:00:25,796 --> 01:00:28,164 because everyone was having fun with Sylvia? 806 01:00:28,165 --> 01:00:30,767 I just thought we were punishing her. 807 01:00:30,768 --> 01:00:34,605 Where was John standing when he was washing her down? 808 01:00:34,606 --> 01:00:36,005 Right in front of her. 809 01:00:36,006 --> 01:00:37,941 What part of her body was he spraying? 810 01:00:37,942 --> 01:00:39,109 All over. 811 01:00:39,110 --> 01:00:40,377 Whose hose was he using? 812 01:00:40,378 --> 01:00:42,445 My hose, sir. 813 01:00:42,446 --> 01:00:45,882 Sally, did you see some of the other neighborhood kids hurt Sylvia? 814 01:00:45,883 --> 01:00:47,851 Yes. 815 01:00:47,852 --> 01:00:51,221 Did you tell anybody you saw these things? 816 01:00:51,222 --> 01:00:54,424 Not really. 817 01:00:54,425 --> 01:00:58,228 You told no one what was happening at the Baniszewski house? 818 01:00:58,229 --> 01:01:03,967 Well, I told my father Gertrude gave Sylvia an awful whipping. 819 01:01:03,968 --> 01:01:08,679 But he just told me I shouldn't do whatever she did or I'd get the same. 820 01:01:10,341 --> 01:01:14,544 Shirley, was your mother ever present while other people did things to Sylvia? 821 01:01:14,545 --> 01:01:16,513 Yes, she was. 822 01:01:16,514 --> 01:01:19,215 How many times? 823 01:01:19,216 --> 01:01:21,418 She was around about all the time. 824 01:01:21,419 --> 01:01:26,456 And what did she say when these... The people were doing things to Sylvia? 825 01:01:26,457 --> 01:01:28,835 Nothing. 826 01:01:34,299 --> 01:01:37,435 Did anyone order you to hit Sylvia? 827 01:01:37,436 --> 01:01:39,370 No, sir. 828 01:01:39,371 --> 01:01:41,104 Or tie her up? 829 01:01:41,105 --> 01:01:42,239 No, sir. 830 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,373 Or wash her down? 831 01:01:43,374 --> 01:01:44,508 No, sir. 832 01:01:44,509 --> 01:01:46,644 Then why did you do it, Teddy? 833 01:01:46,645 --> 01:01:48,078 I don't know, sir. 834 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,348 I don't know, sir. 835 01:01:50,349 --> 01:01:53,125 I don't know, sir. 836 01:02:00,357 --> 01:02:02,326 You two go upstairs. 837 01:02:02,327 --> 01:02:04,671 Yes, Mama. 838 01:02:35,794 --> 01:02:38,172 Who is it? 839 01:02:39,565 --> 01:02:41,774 You got any cigarettes? 840 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,233 Heard anything from Sylvia? 841 01:03:05,591 --> 01:03:08,164 You really like her, don't you? 842 01:03:09,062 --> 01:03:11,974 She's no good for you, honey. 843 01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:17,203 Do you know when she's gonna be back? 844 01:03:18,438 --> 01:03:23,741 Ricky, I told you, she won't have anything to do with you. 845 01:03:23,742 --> 01:03:26,815 She's too busy with other boys. 846 01:03:27,580 --> 01:03:30,617 That's why I had to send her to juvie. 847 01:03:36,624 --> 01:03:39,297 There. Go on. Get. 848 01:03:45,531 --> 01:03:47,466 Here's your money. 849 01:03:47,467 --> 01:03:49,301 Thank you, baby. 850 01:03:49,302 --> 01:03:52,371 Paula. 851 01:03:52,372 --> 01:03:56,375 Honey, you are a good daughter. I'm so proud of you. 852 01:03:56,376 --> 01:04:01,849 Doesn't matter what people say. You've been holdin' your head up high. 853 01:04:03,316 --> 01:04:05,661 We're gettin' through this. 854 01:04:06,819 --> 01:04:09,699 What about Sylvia? 855 01:04:13,693 --> 01:04:15,561 Mama. 856 01:04:15,562 --> 01:04:19,065 I've been prayin' 857 01:04:19,066 --> 01:04:21,266 and I think maybe it's time to forgive her. 858 01:04:21,267 --> 01:04:24,270 I think she's learned her lesson. 859 01:04:24,271 --> 01:04:27,607 There are things in life we have to do, 860 01:04:27,608 --> 01:04:30,588 whether we like it or not. 861 01:04:31,512 --> 01:04:34,390 Well, I don't want any part of it. 862 01:04:36,283 --> 01:04:38,660 Paula. 863 01:04:39,620 --> 01:04:41,688 Paula? 864 01:04:41,689 --> 01:04:44,796 Come down here and talk to me! 865 01:05:08,983 --> 01:05:12,285 Sylvia. I'm not gonna hurt you. 866 01:05:12,286 --> 01:05:15,267 I'm not gonna hurt you. 867 01:05:29,336 --> 01:05:32,682 I know what it's like to be sick, Sylvia. 868 01:05:45,454 --> 01:05:48,527 I've been sick for so long, too. 869 01:05:50,792 --> 01:05:56,537 I can't discipline my kids the way that I should. 870 01:06:00,135 --> 01:06:03,103 I punish them, I know, but... 871 01:06:03,104 --> 01:06:08,681 Sometimes with my medicine, it gets so I don't know what I'm doing. 872 01:06:14,649 --> 01:06:17,926 And I care for them so much. 873 01:06:24,626 --> 01:06:28,040 And Paula, the thing is that... 874 01:06:29,197 --> 01:06:32,144 Paula's a lot like me. 875 01:06:34,536 --> 01:06:38,645 I had her when I was just about your age. 876 01:06:43,478 --> 01:06:47,722 And then it was Stephanie. 877 01:06:49,551 --> 01:06:52,055 And then all the others. 878 01:06:58,027 --> 01:07:00,336 Then John left. 879 01:07:07,637 --> 01:07:10,413 And here I am. I'm still 880 01:07:13,308 --> 01:07:17,019 doing everything I can to keep my family together. 881 01:07:18,848 --> 01:07:21,921 I want something better for Paula. 882 01:07:26,689 --> 01:07:29,363 There has to be something better. 883 01:07:42,138 --> 01:07:45,711 And I need to protect my children. 884 01:07:49,011 --> 01:07:51,685 Do you understand that? 885 01:07:52,448 --> 01:07:54,622 You kids, 886 01:07:55,284 --> 01:07:57,663 you're all I've got. 887 01:08:16,807 --> 01:08:19,015 Thank you, Sylvia. 888 01:08:22,211 --> 01:08:24,312 Thank you. 889 01:08:24,313 --> 01:08:27,523 Thank you for understanding. 890 01:08:40,831 --> 01:08:44,312 Oh, for... okay. 891 01:08:49,071 --> 01:08:51,018 Hello, Reverend. 892 01:08:54,379 --> 01:08:56,413 I've been meaning to come by and visit, 893 01:08:56,414 --> 01:09:00,549 but when Paula came to the church to talk to me, it just pushed me a little. 894 01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:04,227 Well, what's that girl been bothering you with? 895 01:09:06,491 --> 01:09:10,426 Well, she's concerned about you, of course. And the whole house. 896 01:09:10,427 --> 01:09:13,875 And, um, there is something else. 897 01:09:14,798 --> 01:09:17,099 I think Paula may be pregnant. 898 01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:20,337 Now, I'm prepared to offer what support I can, 899 01:09:20,338 --> 01:09:22,973 but I can't speak for the entire congregation. 900 01:09:22,974 --> 01:09:26,610 Reverend, I'm sorry. Thank you, but that is a vicious lie 901 01:09:26,611 --> 01:09:30,714 and a rumor spread by that Likens girl. 902 01:09:30,715 --> 01:09:33,983 Gertrude, Paula talked to me herself. 903 01:09:33,984 --> 01:09:37,921 I don't understand that. I'll try to get to the bottom of that with Paula. 904 01:09:37,922 --> 01:09:40,756 Sylvia's been a very bad influence on her 905 01:09:40,757 --> 01:09:44,928 since she came to my house, and I have... uh, 906 01:09:44,929 --> 01:09:47,297 I just cannot discipline that girl. 907 01:09:47,298 --> 01:09:49,733 Well, she did mention Sylvia as well. 908 01:09:49,734 --> 01:09:52,336 It wasn't clear, but she said there were some problems, 909 01:09:52,337 --> 01:09:54,871 and I haven't seen Sylvia in church in weeks, 910 01:09:54,872 --> 01:09:57,773 so I thought I should just sit down and talk with her. 911 01:09:57,774 --> 01:10:01,111 I'm afraid I had to send her to Juvenile. 912 01:10:01,112 --> 01:10:04,381 I just could not handle that girl. 913 01:10:04,382 --> 01:10:06,016 I caught her stealing from me... 914 01:10:06,017 --> 01:10:07,718 Have you spoken to her parents? 915 01:10:07,719 --> 01:10:12,356 I tried. I wrote them. I called. I haven't gotten a response. 916 01:10:12,357 --> 01:10:16,160 Frankly, I now understand why they just dropped her with me. 917 01:10:16,161 --> 01:10:17,929 I see. 918 01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:21,665 I should just go by the Juvenile Center and speak to Sylvia myself. 919 01:10:21,666 --> 01:10:23,133 I'll try and arrange that. 920 01:10:23,134 --> 01:10:24,735 Hi, Reverend Bill. 921 01:10:24,736 --> 01:10:25,936 Hi, Reverend Bill. 922 01:10:25,937 --> 01:10:27,672 Hey, kids. 923 01:10:27,673 --> 01:10:30,475 Will you just see to little Kenny, please? 924 01:10:30,476 --> 01:10:33,043 We can continue this discussion later. 925 01:10:33,044 --> 01:10:35,889 Thank you, Reverend. 926 01:10:40,185 --> 01:10:42,420 I'll see you on Sunday, then. 927 01:10:42,421 --> 01:10:45,590 I'm expecting you in my office before the end of the week. 928 01:10:45,591 --> 01:10:48,226 We need to talk about this. 929 01:10:48,227 --> 01:10:49,560 Yes, Reverend. 930 01:10:49,561 --> 01:10:51,803 Okay, Gertrude. 931 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,276 Don't you have any sense? 932 01:11:05,911 --> 01:11:07,211 I'm doing this for you! 933 01:11:07,212 --> 01:11:09,852 You let go of me! 934 01:11:16,288 --> 01:11:18,894 I want everybody in the basement! 935 01:11:22,661 --> 01:11:24,963 Please! 936 01:11:24,964 --> 01:11:28,206 You know why you're here, Sylvia! 937 01:11:36,208 --> 01:11:38,676 Ricky. She came back. 938 01:11:38,677 --> 01:11:41,580 She came back from Juvenile 939 01:11:41,581 --> 01:11:44,016 and started stirring up trouble again. 940 01:11:44,017 --> 01:11:45,963 Stop! 941 01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:49,388 Johnny, hold her! 942 01:11:49,389 --> 01:11:50,855 Stop, please! Please! 943 01:11:50,856 --> 01:11:52,424 Keep her still! 944 01:11:52,425 --> 01:11:55,260 Sylvia, if you move, it'll only be messy. 945 01:11:55,261 --> 01:11:57,228 Light that. 946 01:11:57,229 --> 01:12:00,198 No! No! No! No! 947 01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:03,569 No! No! No! No! Please! 948 01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:05,304 Please! Please! 949 01:12:05,305 --> 01:12:06,538 Stop it! 950 01:12:06,539 --> 01:12:08,341 Do we got it right, Mama? 951 01:12:08,342 --> 01:12:10,176 Make sure it's hot! 952 01:12:10,177 --> 01:12:12,310 I'm sorry! 953 01:12:12,311 --> 01:12:14,145 You're a liar. 954 01:12:14,146 --> 01:12:17,316 No! No! Please, no, please! 955 01:12:17,317 --> 01:12:20,219 Please! 956 01:12:20,220 --> 01:12:23,362 You branded my daughter! 957 01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:27,271 Now I have to brand you. 958 01:12:35,469 --> 01:12:37,608 Ricky! 959 01:12:38,905 --> 01:12:41,386 Finish this. 960 01:12:42,442 --> 01:12:44,610 Gertie, I can't. 961 01:12:44,611 --> 01:12:46,545 Ricky, 962 01:12:46,546 --> 01:12:50,048 she's been with every boy but you! 963 01:12:50,049 --> 01:12:52,084 You can't let her get away with this. 964 01:12:52,085 --> 01:12:54,463 Please! 965 01:12:55,188 --> 01:12:57,023 Please, help me, Ricky. 966 01:12:57,024 --> 01:12:59,392 Please! Please! 967 01:12:59,393 --> 01:13:02,261 That's a good boy. 968 01:13:02,262 --> 01:13:04,367 Ricky. Ricky. 969 01:13:06,867 --> 01:13:08,467 Ricky! 970 01:13:08,468 --> 01:13:10,403 What does it say? 971 01:13:10,404 --> 01:13:12,474 It says, "I'm a prostitute, 972 01:13:14,474 --> 01:13:16,080 and proud of it." 973 01:13:21,081 --> 01:13:24,289 No, don't! Stop! 974 01:13:38,465 --> 01:13:40,673 Sylvia. 975 01:13:42,303 --> 01:13:45,271 You've gotta get out of here. 976 01:13:45,272 --> 01:13:48,756 You've gotta leave. You've gotta get out of here. Come on! 977 01:14:05,327 --> 01:14:07,602 Shh. 978 01:15:06,821 --> 01:15:09,268 Mama? 979 01:15:10,492 --> 01:15:12,493 We gotta get out of here. 980 01:15:12,494 --> 01:15:14,162 We're gonna find your parents. 981 01:15:14,163 --> 01:15:15,396 Jennie? 982 01:15:15,397 --> 01:15:17,432 I'm gonna take care of Jennie. 983 01:15:17,433 --> 01:15:19,801 Paula? No! 984 01:15:19,802 --> 01:15:22,337 Go! Go! Just go! 985 01:15:22,338 --> 01:15:24,572 What are you doing? 986 01:15:24,573 --> 01:15:26,610 Let me go! 987 01:15:27,343 --> 01:15:28,611 What's going on? 988 01:15:28,612 --> 01:15:31,388 Come on. Let's go in the house. 989 01:15:45,761 --> 01:15:47,428 Sylvia! 990 01:15:47,429 --> 01:15:51,666 Oh. Please. Please, help me. 991 01:15:51,667 --> 01:15:54,770 No, I'm not gonna hurt you. I swear to God. I promise, I promise. 992 01:15:54,771 --> 01:15:58,106 I'm sorry. I didn't know what the hell I was doing, all right? 993 01:15:58,107 --> 01:16:01,851 You gotta believe me. Please! Please! 994 01:16:02,579 --> 01:16:03,945 You wanna get out of here? 995 01:16:03,946 --> 01:16:05,814 You wanna go? Let's go. 996 01:16:05,815 --> 01:16:09,422 Come on. Come on, you're all right. 997 01:16:14,457 --> 01:16:15,990 Where're we going? 998 01:16:15,991 --> 01:16:17,792 I don't know. 999 01:16:17,793 --> 01:16:21,497 The Police? You wanna go to the Police? We can tell them everything. 1000 01:16:21,498 --> 01:16:23,499 I gotta get to my mom. 1001 01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:25,034 Where's your mom at? 1002 01:16:25,035 --> 01:16:28,036 I think she's in Portage. 1003 01:16:28,037 --> 01:16:30,643 We're going to Portage. 1004 01:16:32,042 --> 01:16:33,954 Dammit! 1005 01:16:41,351 --> 01:16:43,185 Ricky! Ricky! 1006 01:16:43,186 --> 01:16:45,496 We're going! 1007 01:17:08,812 --> 01:17:11,381 I'll come with you. 1008 01:17:11,382 --> 01:17:13,794 No, you gotta get back. 1009 01:17:16,419 --> 01:17:21,028 You gotta get back to Jennie and make sure nothing happens to her. 1010 01:17:23,326 --> 01:17:26,000 I won't let her out of my sight. 1011 01:17:27,265 --> 01:17:29,438 Thank you, Ricky. 1012 01:18:11,709 --> 01:18:12,809 Thank you. 1013 01:18:12,810 --> 01:18:14,950 Daddy? 1014 01:18:16,781 --> 01:18:18,715 Cookie? 1015 01:18:18,716 --> 01:18:20,480 What are you doing here? 1016 01:18:22,019 --> 01:18:25,728 Oh, baby, what happened to you? 1017 01:18:34,832 --> 01:18:37,313 Oh, my God! 1018 01:18:38,035 --> 01:18:40,244 Oh, my God! 1019 01:18:44,342 --> 01:18:46,482 They did this to you? 1020 01:18:50,015 --> 01:18:53,116 I'm so, so sorry. 1021 01:18:53,117 --> 01:18:55,785 I'm just so sorry I left you there. 1022 01:18:55,786 --> 01:18:59,422 We spoke to Jennie on the phone last week. She said everything was fine. 1023 01:18:59,423 --> 01:19:01,893 She's scared of her. 1024 01:19:01,894 --> 01:19:04,534 And we gotta get back. 1025 01:19:06,365 --> 01:19:08,366 Let's just talk in the car. 1026 01:19:08,367 --> 01:19:11,836 Everything's gonna be taken care of, Cookie. 1027 01:19:11,837 --> 01:19:14,171 You're with your family now. 1028 01:19:14,172 --> 01:19:16,440 I want... 1029 01:19:16,441 --> 01:19:19,013 Mama's gonna take care of you. 1030 01:19:24,383 --> 01:19:28,457 Hey, honey, we're here. 1031 01:19:41,867 --> 01:19:43,434 You stay here, Cookie. 1032 01:19:43,435 --> 01:19:45,609 Uh-uh. 1033 01:19:47,774 --> 01:19:50,550 I gotta do this. 1034 01:19:52,377 --> 01:19:55,121 I just gotta go in. 1035 01:20:25,812 --> 01:20:28,380 She's not breathing, Mama! 1036 01:20:28,381 --> 01:20:31,749 We'll wake her up, okay? Don't worry, she's faking. 1037 01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:33,851 Please wake up, please! 1038 01:20:33,852 --> 01:20:35,253 Stephanie? 1039 01:20:35,254 --> 01:20:36,687 She's not breathing! 1040 01:20:36,688 --> 01:20:38,390 She's faking, honey. 1041 01:20:38,391 --> 01:20:40,958 Somebody please do something! She's not breathing! 1042 01:20:40,959 --> 01:20:42,995 Johnny, where's that water? 1043 01:20:42,996 --> 01:20:45,063 Will you bring me some water, baby? 1044 01:20:45,064 --> 01:20:46,833 Give me! 1045 01:20:46,834 --> 01:20:48,967 Please, somebody! She's not breathing! 1046 01:20:48,968 --> 01:20:51,503 Liar. Liar. Liar. Liar. 1047 01:20:51,504 --> 01:20:53,437 Mama, she's not faking it! 1048 01:20:53,438 --> 01:20:56,309 She came into my house and just told lies. 1049 01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:58,243 Stephanie, what's wrong? 1050 01:20:58,244 --> 01:21:00,245 Mama, we gotta do something! 1051 01:21:00,246 --> 01:21:02,547 She's... No, she's... 1052 01:21:02,548 --> 01:21:06,052 Breathe, Sylvia! Please, breathe! 1053 01:21:06,053 --> 01:21:08,727 Sylvia. 1054 01:21:13,127 --> 01:21:14,827 Shirley, it'll be okay. 1055 01:21:14,828 --> 01:21:17,996 Somebody please do something! She's not breathing! 1056 01:21:17,997 --> 01:21:20,666 Shut up, Stephanie! She's lying! 1057 01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:23,603 She's just been laying there. 1058 01:21:23,604 --> 01:21:24,704 Oh, my God. 1059 01:21:24,705 --> 01:21:26,505 Ricky, do something! 1060 01:21:26,506 --> 01:21:28,141 Look out. 1061 01:21:28,142 --> 01:21:29,476 Come on. 1062 01:21:29,477 --> 01:21:31,210 Here, try this. 1063 01:21:31,211 --> 01:21:32,512 Sylvia! Wake up! 1064 01:21:32,513 --> 01:21:34,146 Come on, breathe! 1065 01:21:34,147 --> 01:21:37,350 Paula, you go get Andy, baby. He'll know what to do, okay? 1066 01:21:37,351 --> 01:21:38,717 Wake up! Sylvia! 1067 01:21:38,718 --> 01:21:40,986 She'll be okay. She's just faking. 1068 01:21:40,987 --> 01:21:42,555 Please, Sylvia, breathe! 1069 01:21:42,556 --> 01:21:43,990 She's cold. 1070 01:21:43,991 --> 01:21:45,958 Somebody better call the Police! 1071 01:21:45,959 --> 01:21:47,392 Don't call the Police. 1072 01:21:47,393 --> 01:21:49,671 Go! 1073 01:21:50,798 --> 01:21:53,166 She's not dying! 1074 01:21:53,167 --> 01:21:54,700 Get me more water. 1075 01:21:54,701 --> 01:21:57,910 Babies, come here. 1076 01:21:59,907 --> 01:22:02,141 She's lyin', baby. She's just... 1077 01:22:02,142 --> 01:22:04,850 Mama, she's not faking it! 1078 01:22:14,021 --> 01:22:18,096 I need the Police. Yeah, there may be a dead girl at a house. 1079 01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:28,201 She's dead. 1080 01:22:28,202 --> 01:22:30,183 Jesus, Gertie. 1081 01:22:39,581 --> 01:22:41,248 What's the problem? 1082 01:22:41,249 --> 01:22:44,287 Get me out of here and I'll tell you everything. 1083 01:22:49,290 --> 01:22:54,535 Jennie, did you ever see Sylvia do anything to Mrs. Baniszewski? 1084 01:22:56,365 --> 01:22:59,243 No, I didn't see her do anything. 1085 01:23:00,402 --> 01:23:03,303 Did you ever see her do anything to Paula? 1086 01:23:03,304 --> 01:23:05,873 No. 1087 01:23:05,874 --> 01:23:09,288 Did you ever see her do anything to Johnny Baniszewski? 1088 01:23:13,382 --> 01:23:15,384 Jennie, 1089 01:23:16,317 --> 01:23:19,285 you saw your sister being hit, 1090 01:23:19,286 --> 01:23:21,555 beaten, struck. 1091 01:23:21,556 --> 01:23:25,092 Why did you not call the Police? 1092 01:23:25,093 --> 01:23:29,130 Well, um, Gertie threatened me that if I told anybody, 1093 01:23:29,131 --> 01:23:32,700 I'd get the same treatment Sylvia was getting. 1094 01:23:32,701 --> 01:23:35,738 You could've told anyone up and down that street. 1095 01:23:36,405 --> 01:23:41,042 I was scared. And I guess I just 1096 01:23:41,043 --> 01:23:44,684 did what she told me, and I wish I hadn't. 1097 01:23:49,751 --> 01:23:52,358 Did you ever see Sylvia cry? 1098 01:23:59,127 --> 01:24:04,577 They said she didn't have no feelings, but I knew better. 1099 01:24:06,368 --> 01:24:09,372 I'd seen her cry before. 1100 01:24:10,606 --> 01:24:15,109 But I imagine the reason why she didn't cry 1101 01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:18,558 was because she didn't have enough water. 1102 01:24:20,749 --> 01:24:23,318 The trial lasted 24 days. 1103 01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:26,854 Gertrude was the last one to take the stand. 1104 01:24:26,855 --> 01:24:32,830 What was your physical condition in July and August of last year? 1105 01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:38,400 Pretty run down, physically. 1106 01:24:38,401 --> 01:24:40,568 Pretty upset mentally and emotionally. 1107 01:24:40,569 --> 01:24:42,674 What do you mean? 1108 01:24:44,007 --> 01:24:47,342 If you have as many children 1109 01:24:47,343 --> 01:24:51,883 around your home all the time as I did, 1110 01:24:52,414 --> 01:24:54,583 arguing and carrying on, 1111 01:24:54,584 --> 01:24:57,919 you'd be pretty upset mentally and emotionally, too. 1112 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,289 What medicine did you take? 1113 01:25:00,290 --> 01:25:03,925 Phenobarbital sulfate and, uh, Coricidin. 1114 01:25:03,926 --> 01:25:06,862 I was trying to take care of myself 1115 01:25:06,863 --> 01:25:10,366 because I could not afford to go to a doctor. 1116 01:25:10,367 --> 01:25:14,903 Now then, getting to the first week of September, 1117 01:25:14,904 --> 01:25:18,007 was there any change in your physical condition 1118 01:25:18,008 --> 01:25:20,614 or in the condition of that house? 1119 01:25:23,913 --> 01:25:25,914 No, sir. 1120 01:25:25,915 --> 01:25:29,218 What about the third week of September? Do you remember that? 1121 01:25:29,219 --> 01:25:32,254 You mean anything specific that might happen in September? 1122 01:25:32,255 --> 01:25:34,623 Yes. Anything specific. 1123 01:25:34,624 --> 01:25:36,759 The kids were fighting a lot. 1124 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,071 The kids were fighting a lot? 1125 01:25:39,829 --> 01:25:42,498 My children and the neighbor children 1126 01:25:42,499 --> 01:25:45,034 were coming in and fighting Sylvia. 1127 01:25:45,035 --> 01:25:49,972 My children fighting other children, so on, so forth. 1128 01:25:49,973 --> 01:25:52,716 What did you do when they were fighting? 1129 01:25:54,577 --> 01:25:56,079 I did not see this fighting. 1130 01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:00,817 I... was barely able to stay up at all. 1131 01:26:00,818 --> 01:26:05,221 I did not even feel like getting up. 1132 01:26:05,222 --> 01:26:10,001 Did you have any knowledge of any mistreatment going on towards Sylvia? 1133 01:26:11,796 --> 01:26:13,830 No, sir. 1134 01:26:13,831 --> 01:26:18,439 Did you commit any indignity? Make any marks on that girl's body? 1135 01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:21,805 No, sir. 1136 01:26:21,806 --> 01:26:24,307 Do you know how those wounds got on her body? 1137 01:26:24,308 --> 01:26:26,443 No, sir. 1138 01:26:26,444 --> 01:26:29,790 You're telling the jury that you don't know who did it? 1139 01:26:31,682 --> 01:26:33,787 No. 1140 01:26:35,619 --> 01:26:38,123 Did you hear the testimony of Jennie? 1141 01:26:38,422 --> 01:26:40,256 Yes, I did. 1142 01:26:40,257 --> 01:26:42,760 Did you hear some of your children state 1143 01:26:42,761 --> 01:26:46,765 that before Sylvia died, you started branding this girl? 1144 01:26:48,799 --> 01:26:50,768 Yes, I heard that. 1145 01:26:50,769 --> 01:26:53,715 Did they all lie? 1146 01:26:59,578 --> 01:27:01,511 That is right. 1147 01:27:01,512 --> 01:27:04,493 The fact is you're lying, isn't it? 1148 01:27:05,584 --> 01:27:07,996 No, sir. 1149 01:27:10,554 --> 01:27:12,957 Did you hear John Baniszewski state 1150 01:27:12,958 --> 01:27:17,430 that you burned her with matches and cigarettes? 1151 01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:20,931 Yes, I heard that statement. 1152 01:27:20,932 --> 01:27:23,436 Did he tell the truth? 1153 01:27:28,005 --> 01:27:30,674 He is not telling the truth. 1154 01:27:30,675 --> 01:27:32,848 No. 1155 01:27:34,779 --> 01:27:37,748 You're saying you did not do it. 1156 01:27:37,749 --> 01:27:39,283 That's right. 1157 01:27:39,284 --> 01:27:41,285 You were in bed a great deal of the time 1158 01:27:41,286 --> 01:27:44,722 and the children were doing things you did not know they were doing. 1159 01:27:44,723 --> 01:27:48,659 I imagine they were doing a great deal of things that I did not know. 1160 01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:51,004 Why did John lie? 1161 01:27:52,764 --> 01:27:55,566 I imagine that he is a pretty scared little boy. 1162 01:27:55,567 --> 01:27:57,843 Are you scared? 1163 01:28:00,138 --> 01:28:03,916 I have been scared about a lot of things for a long time. 1164 01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:08,679 She sacrificed me to protect her children 1165 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,957 and sacrificed them to protect herself. 1166 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,248 Will the defendant please rise. 1167 01:28:48,855 --> 01:28:52,123 "We, the jury, find Gertrude Baniszewski 1168 01:28:52,124 --> 01:28:54,427 "guilty of first-degree murder, 1169 01:28:54,428 --> 01:28:57,340 sentencing her to life in prison." 1170 01:29:06,273 --> 01:29:08,843 The case got a lot of attention. 1171 01:29:10,309 --> 01:29:13,086 Even made Time magazine. 1172 01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:22,928 At least people started talking about things they used to ignore. 1173 01:29:24,190 --> 01:29:25,423 Thank you. 1174 01:29:25,424 --> 01:29:27,792 The others were tried later. 1175 01:29:27,793 --> 01:29:31,898 Paula was found guilty as an accomplice and served a couple of years. 1176 01:29:31,899 --> 01:29:35,468 She had that baby, and named it Gertrude. 1177 01:29:35,469 --> 01:29:38,170 Johnny was convicted, too. 1178 01:29:38,171 --> 01:29:39,906 He became the youngest inmate 1179 01:29:39,907 --> 01:29:42,942 in the history of the Indiana State Reformatory. 1180 01:29:42,943 --> 01:29:45,578 He went on to become a lay minister. 1181 01:29:45,579 --> 01:29:48,281 A way to tell his story, I guess. 1182 01:29:48,282 --> 01:29:50,650 Ricky Hobbs was found guilty of man-slaughter 1183 01:29:50,651 --> 01:29:53,986 and he served time in the reformatory. 1184 01:29:53,987 --> 01:29:58,493 He died at age 21 of lung cancer. 1185 01:29:59,259 --> 01:30:02,061 Coy also served a couple years. 1186 01:30:02,062 --> 01:30:07,033 He went on to a life of crime and was in and out of prison. 1187 01:30:07,034 --> 01:30:10,344 I don't know what happened to any of the rest of them. 1188 01:30:11,306 --> 01:30:13,206 Mama and Daddy went back on the road 1189 01:30:13,207 --> 01:30:16,476 and they left Jennie with the District Attorney and his family. 1190 01:30:16,477 --> 01:30:19,150 They helped her get back on her feet. 1191 01:30:22,182 --> 01:30:25,118 Gertrude served 20 years of that sentence. 1192 01:30:25,119 --> 01:30:29,067 She was released on parole in 1985. 1193 01:30:30,158 --> 01:30:33,327 Before she died, five years later, 1194 01:30:33,328 --> 01:30:37,275 she took responsibility for everything that had happened. 1195 01:30:51,278 --> 01:30:53,656 Sorry. 1196 01:31:04,092 --> 01:31:06,266 And me, 1197 01:31:07,795 --> 01:31:10,605 I returned to the carnival. 1198 01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:14,346 The one place I always felt safe. 1199 01:31:17,271 --> 01:31:19,640 Reverend Bill used to say, 1200 01:31:19,641 --> 01:31:23,681 "With every situation, God always has a plan." 1201 01:31:25,947 --> 01:31:30,090 I guess I'm still trying to figure out what that plan was.