1 00:00:09,732 --> 00:00:11,632 (sighs) 2 00:00:18,627 --> 00:00:20,628 - I really wish I'd played my cards differently 3 00:00:21,368 --> 00:00:23,583 when dealing with that label. 4 00:00:25,085 --> 00:00:28,339 I would have honestly, if I had known then what I know now, 5 00:00:28,339 --> 00:00:30,185 I would have never signed to them 6 00:00:31,133 --> 00:00:33,277 for anything 7 00:00:33,277 --> 00:00:37,341 because I lost two really important people in my life 8 00:00:37,341 --> 00:00:39,815 out of paperwork. 9 00:00:39,815 --> 00:00:41,790 Over paperwork. 10 00:00:43,602 --> 00:00:45,043 Yeah. 11 00:01:16,859 --> 00:01:18,707 - [Dave] I played in a band with BJ, 12 00:01:23,634 --> 00:01:25,637 Matt played in a band with BJ, 13 00:01:26,478 --> 00:01:28,538 and Armine played in a separate band. 14 00:01:30,148 --> 00:01:33,230 Armine had a dance studio in Havertown, 15 00:01:33,230 --> 00:01:34,947 he was doing shows. 16 00:01:34,947 --> 00:01:37,943 And I think it was from a second story window it was playing. 17 00:01:39,701 --> 00:01:42,656 I just jokingly said something like, 18 00:01:42,656 --> 00:01:44,277 "Why don't the four of us start a band?" 19 00:01:44,277 --> 00:01:46,069 I was like, "It'll be interesting." 20 00:01:46,069 --> 00:01:47,968 - And I swear, that Dave said 21 00:01:47,968 --> 00:01:50,666 we should start a joke grind core band. 22 00:01:50,666 --> 00:01:51,578 And I was all about it. 23 00:01:51,578 --> 00:01:52,462 (metal music) 24 00:01:52,462 --> 00:01:53,803 ♫ Teamwork ♫ 25 00:02:01,979 --> 00:02:03,690 - That was the initial concept, 26 00:02:03,690 --> 00:02:06,197 and then a couple weeks after that we got together, 27 00:02:06,197 --> 00:02:09,879 and we just were talking about music 28 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:11,617 and things that we liked, and then started playing, 29 00:02:11,617 --> 00:02:13,623 and the exact opposite came out 30 00:02:13,623 --> 00:02:15,426 of what the initial idea was. 31 00:02:16,684 --> 00:02:20,118 - [Jesse] I met the other guys in Rosetta through Mike. 32 00:02:20,118 --> 00:02:25,089 We shared a practice space with Mike's band 33 00:02:25,089 --> 00:02:27,710 that he was in before Rosetta, Mikado. 34 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,820 He comes in and tells me he just saw this band 35 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:36,332 which is basically Rosetta without Mike Armine, 36 00:02:37,838 --> 00:02:39,291 and Mike was just getting in to 37 00:02:39,291 --> 00:02:41,370 bands like Isis and Neurosis. 38 00:02:43,584 --> 00:02:48,356 Just real loud, wall of noise, heavy riffs. 39 00:02:49,198 --> 00:02:52,282 (metal music) 40 00:02:56,088 --> 00:02:58,392 And he wanted to do stuff more like that 41 00:02:58,392 --> 00:03:00,992 and these guys were doing stuff in that genre. 42 00:03:02,769 --> 00:03:05,724 Less than a month later, he was in a band with those guys. 43 00:03:07,846 --> 00:03:10,769 (metal music) 44 00:03:20,058 --> 00:03:22,213 Some bands that play that style of music 45 00:03:22,213 --> 00:03:24,486 have six, seven members. (laughs) 46 00:03:50,542 --> 00:03:52,919 And they're basically three guys playing instruments 47 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:55,822 and one guy doing electronic stuff. 48 00:03:56,534 --> 00:03:59,394 (metal music) 49 00:04:02,886 --> 00:04:03,947 They had to be a little bit more 50 00:04:03,947 --> 00:04:05,610 economical with their sound. 51 00:04:08,936 --> 00:04:10,283 And figure out how to 52 00:04:11,775 --> 00:04:13,696 have that vast sound they wanted. 53 00:04:15,284 --> 00:04:18,624 (guitar and drums playing) 54 00:06:37,833 --> 00:06:39,934 (clapping) 55 00:06:45,508 --> 00:06:47,474 - [Drew] Me and Armine, we were in bands 56 00:06:47,474 --> 00:06:49,586 that played together, and we struck up a friendship 57 00:06:49,586 --> 00:06:51,742 that revolved around playing shows. 58 00:06:52,444 --> 00:06:53,863 Translation Loss at that point, 59 00:06:53,863 --> 00:06:56,529 I think we put out at least five or six records. 60 00:06:56,529 --> 00:06:59,243 And I felt like they were 61 00:07:00,198 --> 00:07:02,090 the band that we should be working with. 62 00:07:04,233 --> 00:07:06,835 I just was very, very gung ho about it, 63 00:07:06,835 --> 00:07:09,357 we had to work with Rosetta, and it was, 64 00:07:12,423 --> 00:07:13,847 there was no other option, 65 00:07:13,847 --> 00:07:15,395 we just had to work with Rosetta. 66 00:07:16,354 --> 00:07:18,786 - [Christian] Mike just gave us both demos, 67 00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:20,972 and maybe Drew listened to it first, 68 00:07:20,972 --> 00:07:23,671 and was like, "Oh, we gotta do this." 69 00:07:23,671 --> 00:07:26,295 And I remember I was totally in to it, 70 00:07:26,295 --> 00:07:29,633 but I didn't really care for Rosetta a whole lot 71 00:07:29,633 --> 00:07:33,677 when I first, it was kind of more a Drew thing. 72 00:07:33,985 --> 00:07:35,212 - We signed Rosetta. 73 00:07:35,212 --> 00:07:38,113 I'm not sure that I remember 74 00:07:38,113 --> 00:07:41,409 the process of signing them, 75 00:07:41,409 --> 00:07:43,083 it was just the fact that 76 00:07:43,083 --> 00:07:44,566 Christian was on board, 77 00:07:44,566 --> 00:07:47,584 and he believed that I believed 78 00:07:47,584 --> 00:07:49,164 that this band was something special. 79 00:07:51,029 --> 00:07:52,864 - [Jesse] It was just a natural fit. 80 00:07:52,864 --> 00:07:56,245 They were a label that was just getting started, 81 00:07:56,245 --> 00:07:58,645 and they were looking for bands, 82 00:07:58,645 --> 00:08:00,739 and Rosetta was a new band. 83 00:08:06,726 --> 00:08:09,264 They are definitely what I would call 84 00:08:09,264 --> 00:08:10,982 a working-class band in the sense that 85 00:08:10,982 --> 00:08:12,765 they all have jobs. 86 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:22,706 When they tour, they have to accommodate their daily lives. 87 00:08:24,358 --> 00:08:28,016 - [Mike] They're giving up their time to be 88 00:08:28,016 --> 00:08:30,226 with their families. 89 00:08:31,408 --> 00:08:32,731 - I've been emailing my parents, 90 00:08:32,731 --> 00:08:35,079 and like, they don't email me back. 91 00:08:35,429 --> 00:08:36,933 - [Camera man] yeah, my Mom did that to me. 92 00:08:36,933 --> 00:08:38,170 - Dude, my sister's not... 93 00:08:38,170 --> 00:08:40,208 I'm being really, really good about 94 00:08:40,208 --> 00:08:41,509 emailing everybody at home, 95 00:08:41,509 --> 00:08:42,799 and they're just not emailing me back, 96 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:44,997 so I don't care, whatever. 97 00:08:45,444 --> 00:08:48,186 - [Voiceover] It's not easy, it's not easy for any band. 98 00:08:53,753 --> 00:08:55,034 - Alright, my people! 99 00:09:02,636 --> 00:09:03,615 - [Male Student] Didn't really think he was 100 00:09:03,615 --> 00:09:05,573 a teacher at all. 101 00:09:06,158 --> 00:09:08,067 Like freshmen year, he just looks like 102 00:09:08,067 --> 00:09:10,286 a normal student, he's not a really big, 103 00:09:10,286 --> 00:09:11,826 he doesn't look too old, 104 00:09:11,826 --> 00:09:14,472 he just kind of resembles a student in a way. 105 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:17,287 - Look, what you feel that's not my problems 106 00:09:17,287 --> 00:09:19,054 is your opinion. 107 00:09:19,054 --> 00:09:20,750 - [Female Student] He treats us like we're 108 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:23,321 his intellectual equals as opposed to just teaching us 109 00:09:23,321 --> 00:09:25,434 straight up facts and having us memorize them. 110 00:09:25,902 --> 00:09:26,872 - [Mike] I need you to construct 111 00:09:26,872 --> 00:09:28,824 a letter to your Congressman outlining 112 00:09:28,824 --> 00:09:32,056 where the bill stands, who is poised to vote on it, 113 00:09:32,056 --> 00:09:34,276 and most importantly, what you think about it. 114 00:09:35,416 --> 00:09:37,763 - We've talked about things that I would never talk about 115 00:09:37,763 --> 00:09:39,672 with other teachers, just because 116 00:09:39,672 --> 00:09:41,549 I would be afraid of getting in trouble 117 00:09:41,549 --> 00:09:43,714 or the class would just feel, 118 00:09:43,714 --> 00:09:45,752 the class would probably feel awkward. 119 00:09:45,761 --> 00:09:49,175 - Instead of this, what we could be doing 120 00:09:49,175 --> 00:09:51,512 is funneling more money into education. 121 00:09:51,959 --> 00:09:54,019 - I think Mr. Armine is Batman. 122 00:09:54,999 --> 00:09:57,068 - [Mike] To any susceptible... 123 00:09:57,068 --> 00:09:58,764 I'm a teacher first. 124 00:09:58,764 --> 00:10:00,545 If I wanted to tour nine months of the year, 125 00:10:00,545 --> 00:10:01,879 it could be done. 126 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:03,798 I don't want to. 127 00:10:03,798 --> 00:10:05,356 The impact that I'm having, 128 00:10:05,356 --> 00:10:06,614 or that I want to have on the world, 129 00:10:06,614 --> 00:10:08,141 is in this building. 130 00:10:10,145 --> 00:10:11,554 Not out on tour. 131 00:10:22,375 --> 00:10:25,826 - [Drew] Translation Loss is a independent record label 132 00:10:25,826 --> 00:10:28,654 co-owned by two guys who just love music. 133 00:10:31,213 --> 00:10:32,749 The goal for Translation Loss, I think, 134 00:10:32,749 --> 00:10:36,652 was never to have a specific genre that we cater to. 135 00:10:36,652 --> 00:10:39,342 It was just put out good music that both of us really liked. 136 00:10:46,107 --> 00:10:49,160 - I work for a manufacturing plant 137 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,406 that manufactures different types of insulation. 138 00:10:56,082 --> 00:10:58,551 I would love to just do Translation Loss full time. 139 00:11:00,064 --> 00:11:01,984 It's a love thing, 140 00:11:01,984 --> 00:11:03,915 not a thing that's gonna help me put 141 00:11:03,915 --> 00:11:06,144 my kids in college and put food on the table 142 00:11:06,144 --> 00:11:07,814 at night and stuff like that. 143 00:11:07,814 --> 00:11:09,030 Absolutely not. 144 00:11:19,667 --> 00:11:21,498 - [Sean] Being in a band is very much like a marriage. 145 00:11:21,498 --> 00:11:23,475 You have to love them in a way that you, 146 00:11:23,475 --> 00:11:25,480 you set things in up in advance, 147 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,677 and you just treat it like a relationship. 148 00:11:27,677 --> 00:11:30,057 It's not just four dudes hanging out. 149 00:11:33,490 --> 00:11:35,794 - [BJ] One of the first tours we did, 150 00:11:35,794 --> 00:11:37,159 it was sort of the test of, 151 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:38,474 well, will we, 152 00:11:39,496 --> 00:11:41,631 will we survive touring with each other? 153 00:11:44,939 --> 00:11:47,014 - There was a string of about seven shows 154 00:11:47,014 --> 00:11:48,732 that were bad, we got ripped off 155 00:11:48,732 --> 00:11:50,248 by a couple promoters. 156 00:11:52,177 --> 00:11:53,190 - You go and you play a show 157 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:54,566 and there's probably 35 people there, 158 00:11:54,566 --> 00:11:56,742 and all of those people paid to get in to the show, 159 00:11:56,742 --> 00:11:58,576 but the guy at the door polled the door 160 00:11:58,576 --> 00:11:59,441 and he found out that, 161 00:11:59,441 --> 00:12:01,706 "Oh wait, nobody actually came to see your band, 162 00:12:01,706 --> 00:12:02,622 "they were all here to see the other band 163 00:12:02,622 --> 00:12:04,310 "so I'm not gonna pay you anything." 164 00:12:06,847 --> 00:12:08,863 - There have been moments where 165 00:12:08,863 --> 00:12:10,911 we're faced with that decision, 166 00:12:10,911 --> 00:12:13,625 do we cancel tour now 167 00:12:14,346 --> 00:12:15,988 and drive home, 168 00:12:15,988 --> 00:12:18,381 or do we continue on to the next show 169 00:12:18,381 --> 00:12:21,614 and chance it being as shitty as the last three? 170 00:12:29,292 --> 00:12:30,434 - [Dave] Me and Brett from against the wall, 171 00:12:30,434 --> 00:12:32,844 I think we stayed up late drinking 172 00:12:32,844 --> 00:12:35,425 and then just like, 173 00:12:35,425 --> 00:12:36,684 fell asleep in their van, 174 00:12:36,684 --> 00:12:38,049 which was parked next to a dumpster, 175 00:12:38,049 --> 00:12:40,140 and there were flies all in the van all night 176 00:12:40,140 --> 00:12:40,929 because it was hot, 177 00:12:40,929 --> 00:12:42,269 and we had to leave the windows down. 178 00:12:42,269 --> 00:12:43,730 I don't even remember where the dudes 179 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:45,076 in my band slept. 180 00:12:45,959 --> 00:12:47,559 Early in the morning, the dudes in Opus Dei 181 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,775 run down and they're like, 182 00:12:48,775 --> 00:12:50,439 "The toilet's overflowing, 183 00:12:50,439 --> 00:12:52,583 "and there's water all over the place." 184 00:12:52,583 --> 00:12:53,767 It was just a bad day, 185 00:12:53,767 --> 00:12:55,784 and the show was terrible. 186 00:12:58,613 --> 00:12:59,868 - [Mike] We were just like, look, 187 00:12:59,868 --> 00:13:01,575 we can go on to the next three shows 188 00:13:01,575 --> 00:13:04,357 and make it home, or we could just 189 00:13:04,357 --> 00:13:06,566 count our losses and drive home. 190 00:13:07,237 --> 00:13:08,409 And three of us counted, 191 00:13:08,409 --> 00:13:09,775 we were like, "We're gonna leave now." 192 00:13:09,775 --> 00:13:11,398 And Dave stayed and hung out. 193 00:13:11,674 --> 00:13:12,955 Three of us just went home. 194 00:13:16,068 --> 00:13:18,298 - It just, when are there mini crises 195 00:13:18,298 --> 00:13:20,356 that form on tour, and then those things 196 00:13:20,356 --> 00:13:22,308 seem to always hit on the same night 197 00:13:22,308 --> 00:13:24,676 as you have an off night, and the club owner 198 00:13:24,676 --> 00:13:27,600 or the promoter is a jerk, and... 199 00:13:28,644 --> 00:13:29,924 you're just like, "Man, I don't even know 200 00:13:29,924 --> 00:13:31,429 "why I bother with this." 201 00:13:39,075 --> 00:13:41,187 - [Mike] We were driving through Canada, 202 00:13:41,187 --> 00:13:43,277 and we were talking about religion 203 00:13:43,277 --> 00:13:46,317 and some troubles that he was having 204 00:13:46,317 --> 00:13:51,317 with faith, and he sort of admitted to me that 205 00:13:51,586 --> 00:13:55,447 he felt closer to God playing his guitar in Rosetta 206 00:13:55,447 --> 00:13:59,417 than he felt at church. 207 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:09,267 If you can equate playing in Rosetta 208 00:14:09,267 --> 00:14:12,477 to be being at church, 209 00:14:14,342 --> 00:14:17,032 he must really find some sort of self-fulfillment in this. 210 00:14:18,819 --> 00:14:20,067 - In some respects, Rosetta might be 211 00:14:20,067 --> 00:14:22,201 the most selfish thing that I'm involved in. 212 00:14:23,277 --> 00:14:26,381 That being said, maybe there's nothing 213 00:14:26,381 --> 00:14:29,101 that is more pertinent to my spirituality 214 00:14:29,101 --> 00:14:32,471 than Rosetta, because Rosetta 215 00:14:32,471 --> 00:14:35,202 might be where the great bulk 216 00:14:35,202 --> 00:14:37,987 of my identity formation is happening now. 217 00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:41,936 - Music has been a conduit, 218 00:14:41,936 --> 00:14:43,727 where I've tried to, 219 00:14:43,727 --> 00:14:45,370 to be of use to other people 220 00:14:45,370 --> 00:14:47,813 at least as far as maybe bringing 221 00:14:47,813 --> 00:14:49,807 some hope to them, 222 00:14:49,807 --> 00:14:51,482 giving them something that they can listen to 223 00:14:51,482 --> 00:14:52,868 that stirs something in their heart 224 00:14:52,868 --> 00:14:54,799 that they wouldn't feel otherwise, 225 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:57,348 being like a positive presence in people's lives 226 00:14:57,348 --> 00:14:59,675 even if you haven't ever met them in person. 227 00:15:06,084 --> 00:15:09,146 (birds chirping) 228 00:15:25,421 --> 00:15:27,981 - Drew took a special interest in our band. 229 00:15:27,981 --> 00:15:30,978 He wanted to manage the band. 230 00:15:30,978 --> 00:15:32,738 He was really interjecting 231 00:15:32,738 --> 00:15:34,403 in areas that 232 00:15:36,034 --> 00:15:37,848 were honestly none of his business. 233 00:15:43,363 --> 00:15:46,539 - [Drew] There's this band where I see limitless potential. 234 00:15:47,636 --> 00:15:50,537 And I'm pushing as hard as I can 235 00:15:50,537 --> 00:15:52,617 to help them produce amazing records, 236 00:15:53,896 --> 00:15:55,540 produce awareness. 237 00:15:59,656 --> 00:16:01,490 - [Mike] He thought he was doing the best thing 238 00:16:01,490 --> 00:16:02,857 by giving us a piece of advice. 239 00:16:04,511 --> 00:16:05,748 - This band's amazing, everyone needs 240 00:16:05,748 --> 00:16:07,604 to know about this band, and we need to 241 00:16:08,527 --> 00:16:10,632 get them out there, I need to get them bigger tours, 242 00:16:10,632 --> 00:16:12,883 I need get them more press, 243 00:16:12,883 --> 00:16:15,220 I need to get them everywhere. 244 00:16:28,348 --> 00:16:30,301 I secured amazing press for them, 245 00:16:30,301 --> 00:16:33,481 they had a two page feature in Decibel magazine. 246 00:16:36,061 --> 00:16:39,517 There was a CMJ showcase that Rosetta played 247 00:16:39,517 --> 00:16:40,892 and I brought the magazine in, 248 00:16:40,892 --> 00:16:42,450 and I showed all the guys, 249 00:16:42,450 --> 00:16:44,306 I was like, "Ah, this amazing 250 00:16:44,306 --> 00:16:46,514 "coverage, two page spread for Rosetta!" 251 00:16:46,514 --> 00:16:48,199 And Matt was like bummed. 252 00:16:48,199 --> 00:16:49,072 He was kind of bummed about it 253 00:16:49,072 --> 00:16:50,451 because he was like, "Oh, 254 00:16:50,451 --> 00:16:52,780 "I didn't think we want these photos used." 255 00:16:54,752 --> 00:16:57,198 I mean I think that really helped to 256 00:16:58,311 --> 00:16:59,793 get them to where they are now, 257 00:16:59,793 --> 00:17:02,120 but maybe that wasn't what they wanted. 258 00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:13,543 - My name is Bruce McMurtrie and I am everything. 259 00:17:15,334 --> 00:17:17,586 - Does BJ have hobbies? 260 00:17:18,022 --> 00:17:19,719 (video game shooting) 261 00:17:21,305 --> 00:17:23,320 BJ doesn't have hobbies in the way that 262 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,358 baby boomers would define hobbies. 263 00:17:26,125 --> 00:17:29,847 BJ does not distinguish 264 00:17:29,847 --> 00:17:31,910 between vocation and hobbies. 265 00:17:31,910 --> 00:17:33,884 - Put his hands to his face-- 266 00:17:33,884 --> 00:17:35,484 - [Camera man] Oh my God! 267 00:17:35,484 --> 00:17:37,160 - Smelling the gloves. 268 00:17:39,089 --> 00:17:40,881 - As far as I can tell, 269 00:17:40,881 --> 00:17:42,481 there's no difference in the intensity 270 00:17:42,481 --> 00:17:46,288 that BJ puts in to making and editing video 271 00:17:46,288 --> 00:17:48,071 versus playing video games. 272 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,437 BJ lives on the internet. 273 00:17:50,437 --> 00:17:53,765 Like he lives in the coming cyber punk dystopia 274 00:17:53,765 --> 00:17:55,898 in a way that none of us do yet. 275 00:17:55,898 --> 00:17:57,477 And that's the think, is you could, 276 00:17:57,477 --> 00:17:59,077 maybe you could spend time worrying about, 277 00:17:59,077 --> 00:18:00,933 is this affecting BJ negatively? 278 00:18:00,933 --> 00:18:01,935 But I don't think it works that way, 279 00:18:01,935 --> 00:18:03,354 I think that BJ might be affecting 280 00:18:03,354 --> 00:18:04,881 the internet negatively. 281 00:18:08,292 --> 00:18:09,346 - The court jester. 282 00:18:09,346 --> 00:18:12,169 ("In the Hall of the Mountain King" by Edvard Grieg) 283 00:18:17,792 --> 00:18:19,319 (imitates drums) 284 00:18:20,002 --> 00:18:21,539 Can you hear me through my beard? 285 00:18:27,074 --> 00:18:29,471 They respect the fact that I just 286 00:18:29,471 --> 00:18:31,970 do what I do, and I am who I am, and... 287 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:33,247 - [Matt] BJ, do you want to sing the top part 288 00:18:33,247 --> 00:18:35,126 or the second part? 289 00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:36,935 (laughs) 290 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:52,305 - What you're going to hear about today 291 00:18:52,305 --> 00:18:54,094 is nothing short of a miracle. 292 00:18:54,094 --> 00:18:56,176 Life in three dimensions. 293 00:18:56,942 --> 00:18:59,727 (calm music) 294 00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:16,055 - So it's a double disc, 295 00:19:16,055 --> 00:19:18,790 the first disc is all contemporary songs, 296 00:19:20,162 --> 00:19:23,219 and then the second disc is all soundscapes and noise. 297 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:29,811 You can play them together at the same time. 298 00:19:31,524 --> 00:19:36,524 It was a landmark occasion in release for Translation Loss 299 00:19:36,909 --> 00:19:41,018 because it was the first release Rosetta put out, 300 00:19:41,018 --> 00:19:42,938 but also the first time that Translation Loss 301 00:19:42,938 --> 00:19:45,328 released a record of that magnitude. 302 00:19:48,815 --> 00:19:50,745 - When we put out the Galilean Satellites, 303 00:19:50,745 --> 00:19:53,430 that was when things were at 304 00:19:54,474 --> 00:19:55,228 their best. 305 00:19:57,371 --> 00:20:00,901 - I can't think of anybody else who would have taken 306 00:20:00,901 --> 00:20:04,741 a dumb local band that had played four shows or something, 307 00:20:04,741 --> 00:20:07,473 and say, "Hey, we'll put out your record." 308 00:20:08,688 --> 00:20:10,682 And then when that band plays a half dozen 309 00:20:10,682 --> 00:20:12,186 more shows, and then comes back and says, 310 00:20:12,186 --> 00:20:15,205 "Hey, can we do a double disc that syncs up?" 311 00:20:15,205 --> 00:20:16,485 Who in their right mind would say yes 312 00:20:16,485 --> 00:20:18,182 to something like that? 313 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:28,377 Even the freedom that was afforded to us 314 00:20:28,377 --> 00:20:31,620 to work with better graphic artists for example, 315 00:20:31,620 --> 00:20:33,641 than we might have been able to otherwise. 316 00:20:40,108 --> 00:20:42,432 I totally dorked out when I was, what, 317 00:20:42,432 --> 00:20:44,383 twenty years old and Aaron Turner's gonna 318 00:20:44,383 --> 00:20:46,399 do the artwork for my band's first album 319 00:20:46,399 --> 00:20:47,125 that's a double disc? 320 00:20:47,125 --> 00:20:49,726 That's just crazy, nobody gets to do that. 321 00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:50,796 That's great! 322 00:20:52,052 --> 00:20:54,955 (mysterious music) 323 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:11,400 - [Mike] Well I grew up not knowing 324 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,024 who my biological father was. 325 00:21:14,024 --> 00:21:16,603 And that has always been this really weird, 326 00:21:17,785 --> 00:21:20,827 haunting echo in my brain. 327 00:21:24,591 --> 00:21:26,628 Are you who you are 328 00:21:26,628 --> 00:21:30,116 because you were raised by your mother 329 00:21:30,116 --> 00:21:34,458 and her sisters and all your great aunts? 330 00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:42,353 Or are you the way that you are 331 00:21:42,353 --> 00:21:43,294 because it's genetic? 332 00:21:43,294 --> 00:21:46,709 Like are you really your father's son? 333 00:21:48,894 --> 00:21:50,889 Because my mother has always been like, 334 00:21:50,889 --> 00:21:52,030 "Oh man, there's so much about you 335 00:21:52,030 --> 00:21:53,353 "that's like your father. 336 00:21:53,353 --> 00:21:56,200 "So much, you're so much like your father sometimes. 337 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,643 "You're stubborn, you're manipulative, 338 00:21:58,643 --> 00:22:00,179 "you're a sweet talker. 339 00:22:00,179 --> 00:22:02,408 "There's so much about you 340 00:22:02,408 --> 00:22:03,773 "that reminds me of him, 341 00:22:03,773 --> 00:22:05,417 "and you've never met him." 342 00:22:05,864 --> 00:22:07,604 Which was so scary to her. 343 00:22:16,317 --> 00:22:18,937 I think I could've used him 344 00:22:20,989 --> 00:22:21,830 to help me get through that hump. 345 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:25,417 Because I wrote him in 2006, 346 00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:27,177 and he wrote me an email 347 00:22:28,764 --> 00:22:30,162 that was basically like, 348 00:22:30,162 --> 00:22:32,477 "Hey, I'm glad you're well, 349 00:22:32,477 --> 00:22:36,242 "but some doors are best kept shut 350 00:22:36,242 --> 00:22:37,629 "and we shouldn't open this 351 00:22:38,775 --> 00:22:42,023 "particular relationship." 352 00:23:06,917 --> 00:23:08,282 - Somewhere in between all there, 353 00:23:08,282 --> 00:23:09,718 there's the split with Balboa. 354 00:23:09,718 --> 00:23:12,161 - We wanted to do a split with them 355 00:23:12,161 --> 00:23:13,760 because they had toured with us, 356 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,339 they were really good friends. 357 00:23:15,339 --> 00:23:18,240 Drew was one of the founders of Translation Loss 358 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,819 and he played drums in Balboa, 359 00:23:19,819 --> 00:23:21,984 so there were just so many deep connections 360 00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:23,767 with those guys. 361 00:23:24,277 --> 00:23:26,677 - [Drew] Three songs from Balboa, two songs from Rosetta, 362 00:23:26,677 --> 00:23:29,745 and one collaboration track called Project Mercury, 363 00:23:29,745 --> 00:23:31,506 which was the title of the release as well. 364 00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:34,363 We were sharing a practice space at the time, 365 00:23:34,363 --> 00:23:36,806 so it was easy to do a collaboration, 366 00:23:36,806 --> 00:23:38,172 just get together. 367 00:23:39,078 --> 00:23:41,189 - [Drew] This was a cohesive piece of music 368 00:23:41,189 --> 00:23:43,515 that was created by all parties involved 369 00:23:43,515 --> 00:23:44,977 from start to finish. 370 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,437 - So that was a really good experience 371 00:23:47,437 --> 00:23:48,898 for everybody that was involved with it. 372 00:23:48,898 --> 00:23:50,359 It was something where 373 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,333 at the end of it, it really felt like it reflected 374 00:23:52,333 --> 00:23:54,540 the vision collectively of both bands 375 00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:56,779 rather than just a hodgepodge of different things. 376 00:23:56,779 --> 00:23:59,841 It felt integrated in a way that everybody was really into. 377 00:24:04,192 --> 00:24:05,523 - It really came together 378 00:24:06,993 --> 00:24:07,585 beautifully. 379 00:24:07,585 --> 00:24:09,090 It was cool. 380 00:24:20,075 --> 00:24:21,888 - [Jesse] And then Wake/Lift is just 381 00:24:21,888 --> 00:24:24,010 a fucking monster of an album. 382 00:24:33,503 --> 00:24:34,687 - [Eduardo] There I thought the band 383 00:24:34,687 --> 00:24:36,283 really found their identity. 384 00:24:36,911 --> 00:24:38,671 I do think that their distinction is in 385 00:24:38,671 --> 00:24:41,776 the density of layers that they really operate in. 386 00:24:48,419 --> 00:24:51,321 I thought Rosetta really found a good balance 387 00:24:51,321 --> 00:24:55,246 of both the extreme aggressive part 388 00:24:55,246 --> 00:24:56,969 of what they wanted to do, 389 00:24:59,229 --> 00:25:01,202 and started really separating that 390 00:25:01,202 --> 00:25:03,808 from the more ambient, atmospheric 391 00:25:03,808 --> 00:25:06,205 moments where they were very melodic. 392 00:25:07,545 --> 00:25:09,564 - [Jesse] The music is heavy and oppressive, 393 00:25:10,701 --> 00:25:13,256 and as heavy and oppressive as any band 394 00:25:13,256 --> 00:25:15,347 in that genre of music, 395 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,364 but they're not a dark band. 396 00:25:21,585 --> 00:25:24,445 - That contrast between dark and light 397 00:25:24,445 --> 00:25:26,280 was where I think they really 398 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,700 hit their stride on that record. 399 00:25:30,951 --> 00:25:35,209 - [Jesse] I think it's really easy for a band to be dark. 400 00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:38,439 You're a heavy band, you're a dark band. 401 00:25:38,439 --> 00:25:41,261 Sometimes that goes hand in hand. 402 00:25:41,261 --> 00:25:43,842 The thing with Rosetta that I find engaging, 403 00:25:43,842 --> 00:25:45,390 they're not a dark band. 404 00:25:49,367 --> 00:25:53,933 They have a very positive, uplifting vibe to their music. 405 00:25:55,222 --> 00:25:58,466 (mysterious music) 406 00:26:16,203 --> 00:26:19,068 - [DJ] The friendship waned the more 407 00:26:19,068 --> 00:26:23,678 the business side of things started to upset us. 408 00:26:26,421 --> 00:26:28,959 - If things got strained, it was just because 409 00:26:28,959 --> 00:26:31,745 I wanted the best for them that I could do for them. 410 00:26:32,906 --> 00:26:34,858 - It's a business, it is. 411 00:26:34,858 --> 00:26:36,244 It's something I love doing, 412 00:26:36,244 --> 00:26:38,240 but it's definitely a business. 413 00:26:43,444 --> 00:26:45,640 (drumming) 414 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,435 - So there's BJ, who's the drummer of Rosetta. 415 00:26:49,106 --> 00:26:51,592 (drumming) 416 00:26:52,796 --> 00:26:55,612 - [Jesse] BJ is definitely very key in the way 417 00:26:55,612 --> 00:26:58,554 the songs flow and move and build. 418 00:27:00,231 --> 00:27:02,252 (drumming) 419 00:27:02,252 --> 00:27:05,570 - [Drew] He is an amazing core to that band. 420 00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:08,689 - I think BJ's drumming, 421 00:27:08,689 --> 00:27:10,554 the spastic, almost jazzy, 422 00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:14,062 it always sounds like everything's gonna just, 423 00:27:14,062 --> 00:27:16,131 like they're on the verge of losing it, 424 00:27:16,131 --> 00:27:16,806 and they don't. 425 00:27:16,806 --> 00:27:18,664 And I think it builds attention. 426 00:27:19,548 --> 00:27:22,285 (drumming) 427 00:27:22,285 --> 00:27:23,471 - BJ's a busy drummer, 428 00:27:23,471 --> 00:27:26,074 but he's one of the few that can really hold it down 429 00:27:26,074 --> 00:27:27,589 and stay in the pocket. 430 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:30,840 - [Voiceover] I think it adds a cool element to the mix. 431 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,904 It gives some competition to Matt's guitar work. 432 00:27:35,518 --> 00:27:37,283 - [Drew] His playing's so intense, 433 00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,914 it's probably the most enjoyable thing 434 00:27:42,914 --> 00:27:46,212 that you will see when you go see Rosetta play. 435 00:27:47,437 --> 00:27:49,966 He is hands down my favorite part of Rosetta. 436 00:27:55,266 --> 00:27:58,584 (calm music) 437 00:28:46,644 --> 00:28:48,671 The relationship itself I guess, 438 00:28:48,671 --> 00:28:50,447 wasn't the best that I want it to be, 439 00:28:50,447 --> 00:28:51,508 and that really sucked, 440 00:28:51,508 --> 00:28:56,508 but I think the best thing that came out of it 441 00:28:56,713 --> 00:28:59,803 was me kind of removing myself 442 00:28:59,809 --> 00:29:03,189 from that business aspect. 443 00:29:03,189 --> 00:29:06,089 And so Christian kind of, 444 00:29:06,089 --> 00:29:08,084 he stepped up, 445 00:29:08,084 --> 00:29:09,524 I think he knew how close of friends 446 00:29:09,524 --> 00:29:10,804 me and Armine were, 447 00:29:10,804 --> 00:29:14,750 and just kind of, he kind of created-- 448 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:16,329 Or not... 449 00:29:16,329 --> 00:29:18,536 He didn't create, but he, 450 00:29:18,536 --> 00:29:20,670 he facilitated the business aspect 451 00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:22,899 between Translation Loss and Rosetta, 452 00:29:22,899 --> 00:29:24,968 and that was huge for me, 453 00:29:24,968 --> 00:29:27,219 because it helped me remove myself 454 00:29:27,972 --> 00:29:30,955 from the business aspect with the band, 455 00:29:30,955 --> 00:29:33,200 I just wanted to love, 456 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,718 wanted to just kind of hang out with. 457 00:29:40,943 --> 00:29:43,536 - I think Dave is an incredible musician. 458 00:29:48,025 --> 00:29:49,550 - He learns how to play bass 459 00:29:49,550 --> 00:29:51,109 when he starts in play in the band. 460 00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:56,174 - I think Dave didn't even own a bass at that time. 461 00:29:56,174 --> 00:29:58,724 When we started, he was borrowing a bass from somebody. 462 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,457 (practicing with metronome) 463 00:30:08,963 --> 00:30:10,319 (laughs) 464 00:30:10,328 --> 00:30:12,262 - Just from playing ability, 465 00:30:12,262 --> 00:30:14,578 I'm probably above average and no better than that. 466 00:30:15,206 --> 00:30:17,010 - I don't trust him. 467 00:30:20,795 --> 00:30:22,033 - [Mike] He will never give himself 468 00:30:22,033 --> 00:30:23,750 the credit that he deserves. 469 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:25,490 That's something that I've learned about him. 470 00:30:26,096 --> 00:30:27,410 He won't do it. 471 00:30:32,293 --> 00:30:34,053 - I'm glad that he's not just like, 472 00:30:34,053 --> 00:30:35,706 "Oh, I'm the best player ever." 473 00:30:35,706 --> 00:30:37,701 But I wish he at least wouldn't go the other way 474 00:30:37,701 --> 00:30:40,348 and be like, "Oh, I'm replaceable." 475 00:30:43,439 --> 00:30:45,253 - I mean there's other aspects that go into a band, 476 00:30:45,253 --> 00:30:48,218 like songs and passion, whether you connect with people, 477 00:30:48,218 --> 00:30:49,868 you can't control that. 478 00:30:49,868 --> 00:30:52,875 Those other things, I think that I'm better at. 479 00:30:53,545 --> 00:30:55,893 (singing) 480 00:30:58,591 --> 00:30:59,998 - I don't think this band would survive 481 00:30:59,998 --> 00:31:02,346 with anything other than Dave on bass. 482 00:31:13,534 --> 00:31:16,436 (electronic music) 483 00:31:33,906 --> 00:31:36,018 - That was a big moment for Rosetta I think, 484 00:31:36,018 --> 00:31:38,610 because it was the first time that Rosetta 485 00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:41,577 actually let someone else record them 486 00:31:41,577 --> 00:31:43,324 from start from finish. 487 00:31:44,741 --> 00:31:46,853 Being that Wake/Lift was more, 488 00:31:46,853 --> 00:31:49,061 it was a much more raw production, 489 00:31:49,061 --> 00:31:50,714 and I felt like it might be good 490 00:31:50,714 --> 00:31:52,081 to go in a more different direction. 491 00:31:53,242 --> 00:31:54,960 I was really into this guy Andrew Schneider 492 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,445 from New York, he produced the unseen record, 493 00:31:57,445 --> 00:31:59,566 which sounds amazing, he did Pelican. 494 00:32:00,674 --> 00:32:02,978 We were under a time crunch during the sessions 495 00:32:02,978 --> 00:32:07,671 for Determinism, and part of that process was just 496 00:32:07,671 --> 00:32:11,918 finding our own limits personally around... 497 00:32:12,567 --> 00:32:15,031 It's such a crush, it's so intense, 498 00:32:15,031 --> 00:32:16,579 it's so relentless. 499 00:32:17,164 --> 00:32:19,597 (Mike singing) 500 00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:25,698 - Let's do it one more time from the top, 501 00:32:25,698 --> 00:32:26,764 remember where, 502 00:32:26,764 --> 00:32:30,551 remember what the pattern is you're doing, 503 00:32:30,551 --> 00:32:31,820 try and see if you can get one 504 00:32:31,820 --> 00:32:33,100 that goes into the heavy part, 505 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:34,527 and then we'll double it that way. 506 00:32:34,527 --> 00:32:35,766 - Ok. 507 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:37,663 - At the end of the day being relieved 508 00:32:37,663 --> 00:32:39,359 that you're not also the person 509 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:40,688 who's sitting behind the board 510 00:32:40,688 --> 00:32:42,389 in the control room. 511 00:32:42,392 --> 00:32:44,218 Being relieved of that responsibility, 512 00:32:44,218 --> 00:32:45,655 and being able to focus on the performances 513 00:32:45,655 --> 00:32:47,308 with somebody's who's there to actually 514 00:32:47,308 --> 00:32:48,790 push you and coach you through it, 515 00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:50,625 and to say when enough is enough, 516 00:32:50,625 --> 00:32:51,692 versus to do say, 517 00:32:51,692 --> 00:32:53,133 "You need to do it again." 518 00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,183 It was a pretty intense period of time. 519 00:33:02,539 --> 00:33:03,862 - That's still to this day, 520 00:33:03,862 --> 00:33:05,516 easily my favorite Rosetta record. 521 00:33:28,244 --> 00:33:30,752 (water bubbling) 522 00:33:30,752 --> 00:33:33,812 - That year, Rosetta had 523 00:33:33,812 --> 00:33:36,670 a pretty disastrous summer tour, 524 00:33:36,670 --> 00:33:38,410 lost an enormous amount of money. 525 00:33:42,099 --> 00:33:44,521 My wife and I had closed on a house, 526 00:33:44,521 --> 00:33:47,347 and the day that we moved into the house after the tour, 527 00:33:47,347 --> 00:33:49,235 I found out that my Dad had cancer, 528 00:33:49,235 --> 00:33:50,280 and then two months later I found out 529 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,871 that my Mom had cancer. 530 00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:59,026 That November was my sort of 531 00:33:59,026 --> 00:34:01,978 first Thanksgiving with dealing with 532 00:34:01,978 --> 00:34:04,252 the mortality of my parents. 533 00:34:07,877 --> 00:34:10,341 And in my mind, during that period, 534 00:34:10,341 --> 00:34:12,595 I just had so many other more important things going on 535 00:34:12,595 --> 00:34:14,052 in my life than writing songs 536 00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:15,789 for the next Rosetta album. 537 00:34:22,806 --> 00:34:25,612 (metal music) 538 00:34:51,492 --> 00:34:52,927 - I don't think the relationship 539 00:34:52,927 --> 00:34:55,102 was as good as it could have been, 540 00:34:55,102 --> 00:34:57,493 and it kinda broke my heart a little bit. 541 00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:08,286 - [Mike] The stress of Rosetta 542 00:35:08,286 --> 00:35:09,805 and trying to get what we want 543 00:35:09,805 --> 00:35:11,605 while they try to get what they want 544 00:35:12,958 --> 00:35:17,342 has really kind of broken apart 545 00:35:17,342 --> 00:35:18,747 the bounds of friendship, 546 00:35:18,747 --> 00:35:20,690 and replaced it with a business agreement. 547 00:35:20,708 --> 00:35:22,009 The contracts are stronger now than 548 00:35:22,009 --> 00:35:25,849 the bonds of friendship, and that's a bummer. 549 00:35:39,873 --> 00:35:41,249 - [Mike] This is gonna be so interesting, 550 00:35:41,249 --> 00:35:43,682 getting this out of here. 551 00:35:50,529 --> 00:35:51,691 Straighten it out, 552 00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:53,089 straight, 553 00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:54,338 you're good. 554 00:35:54,815 --> 00:35:55,716 Ah stop! 555 00:35:57,238 --> 00:35:58,084 Stop! 556 00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:01,176 Now you're, 557 00:36:01,176 --> 00:36:02,071 now it's touching. 558 00:36:02,071 --> 00:36:03,752 Go up a little bit and try and straighten it out. 559 00:36:03,752 --> 00:36:06,909 - Hey I got a solution, I'm deadly serious, 560 00:36:06,909 --> 00:36:08,008 everyone out of the van, 561 00:36:08,008 --> 00:36:09,716 we're picking up this fucking car. 562 00:36:21,447 --> 00:36:24,275 (metal music) 563 00:37:04,659 --> 00:37:09,141 - I can't believe that I'm in Russia right now. 564 00:37:10,323 --> 00:37:12,906 This is the final march of capitalism right here. 565 00:37:14,067 --> 00:37:16,799 (metal music) 566 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,074 - Flossing! 567 00:37:41,074 --> 00:37:43,155 I care about oral hygiene. 568 00:37:44,338 --> 00:37:47,155 (metal music) 569 00:39:24,967 --> 00:39:28,350 (calm music) 570 00:39:36,113 --> 00:39:39,782 - We all used to be really, really, really good friends 571 00:39:39,782 --> 00:39:42,845 with the people at Translation Loss, friends. 572 00:39:46,353 --> 00:39:48,347 We used to hang out, tour together, 573 00:39:48,347 --> 00:39:50,716 play shows together, go to shows together. 574 00:39:53,872 --> 00:39:55,120 Drew Juergens and I used to have these 575 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,607 sushi-eating contests, who could eat more. 576 00:40:07,096 --> 00:40:08,469 We don't do that anymore. 577 00:40:09,662 --> 00:40:12,415 (calm music) 578 00:40:19,432 --> 00:40:22,056 We had asked them for a thousand dollars 579 00:40:22,056 --> 00:40:24,660 to help us fix our van, and 580 00:40:26,845 --> 00:40:31,348 they said, "Sure, if you re-sign." 581 00:40:33,554 --> 00:40:35,431 We gotta fix the band, we gotta tour. 582 00:40:35,431 --> 00:40:37,586 No one else is batting down the door. 583 00:40:37,586 --> 00:40:38,748 We certainly don't have money 584 00:40:38,748 --> 00:40:41,255 to put out a record on our own, 585 00:40:41,255 --> 00:40:42,488 so we might as well do this. 586 00:40:42,488 --> 00:40:44,982 We fixed the van and the money never came. 587 00:40:44,991 --> 00:40:46,465 - I do think that it's kind of a bummer 588 00:40:46,465 --> 00:40:48,630 to tell somebody that they're going to get something 589 00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:50,434 and then not give it to them. 590 00:40:53,291 --> 00:40:56,315 - We didn't ask for that van thing in writing. 591 00:40:56,315 --> 00:40:57,988 I swore that we did. 592 00:41:02,488 --> 00:41:04,749 And I remember looking for that 593 00:41:04,749 --> 00:41:06,765 Translation Loss agrees to pay Rosetta 594 00:41:06,765 --> 00:41:08,601 1,000 dollars to help them fix their van. 595 00:41:14,754 --> 00:41:15,502 And then one day I was like, 596 00:41:15,502 --> 00:41:17,275 "Dude, it's not in there." 597 00:41:18,201 --> 00:41:21,264 (calm music) 598 00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:37,402 (clapping) 599 00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:41,517 And we were stuck in this contract. 600 00:41:41,517 --> 00:41:43,695 That was the straw that broke the camel's back. 601 00:41:57,815 --> 00:42:00,855 - It gradually got better, 602 00:42:00,855 --> 00:42:01,836 and I thought that was amazing, 603 00:42:01,836 --> 00:42:03,895 because I didn't... 604 00:42:03,895 --> 00:42:05,665 Here's a band that was, 605 00:42:05,665 --> 00:42:08,568 this whole relationship was strictly based on love. 606 00:42:17,991 --> 00:42:19,516 It's like, I just love this band. 607 00:42:27,664 --> 00:42:29,143 Yeah, I'm sorry. 608 00:42:36,891 --> 00:42:39,720 - [Mike] I was trying to do what was best for everybody. 609 00:42:40,998 --> 00:42:42,438 I tried to give TL what they wanted 610 00:42:42,438 --> 00:42:44,375 while giving my bandmates what they wanted. 611 00:42:46,034 --> 00:42:48,631 I learned the hard way that that's not possible. 612 00:42:51,929 --> 00:42:54,002 I would hate to work with another label 613 00:42:54,832 --> 00:42:56,712 and have that be the same case. 614 00:42:58,706 --> 00:43:00,522 I'd much rather keep it in house. 615 00:43:19,581 --> 00:43:22,345 (cars driving past) 616 00:43:39,847 --> 00:43:41,543 - Oh, I'm gonna get this thing home 617 00:43:41,543 --> 00:43:44,082 and strip it for everything it's worth. 618 00:43:59,210 --> 00:44:02,213 - I actually haven't spoken to Mike in a little while. 619 00:44:04,441 --> 00:44:06,671 They have a new EP they're working on. 620 00:44:08,643 --> 00:44:11,076 (mellow music) 621 00:44:21,485 --> 00:44:23,245 - When they're done that EP, 622 00:44:23,245 --> 00:44:25,571 we'll put it out, and it'll be awesome. 623 00:44:30,327 --> 00:44:32,695 I guess it's technically the last release 624 00:44:32,695 --> 00:44:34,893 of the contract that we have. 625 00:44:34,893 --> 00:44:36,751 Hopefully in the future we can do more. 626 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,184 - [Christian] We've continuously gone back 627 00:44:44,184 --> 00:44:46,915 and done things for a decade plus. 628 00:44:49,282 --> 00:44:51,309 That means a lot to me. 629 00:44:51,309 --> 00:44:53,004 Kind of almost sneaks up on you, 630 00:44:53,004 --> 00:44:54,210 like holy shit, we've been doing this 631 00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:56,579 with you guys for ten years. 632 00:45:11,254 --> 00:45:13,431 - [Christian] I think they're the real deal, man. 633 00:45:14,294 --> 00:45:16,662 A lot of conviction behind what they're doing, 634 00:45:16,662 --> 00:45:19,403 and that's probably something they just feel 635 00:45:19,403 --> 00:45:21,184 like they have to do at this point, 636 00:45:21,184 --> 00:45:22,486 because they've been doing it for so long, 637 00:45:22,486 --> 00:45:23,921 and that's something to be... 638 00:45:25,696 --> 00:45:26,759 I respect that. 639 00:45:33,104 --> 00:45:35,290 - [Matt] The decision to go independent 640 00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:37,125 was the right decision, 641 00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:40,538 not because Translation Loss was a bad, 642 00:45:40,538 --> 00:45:42,991 evil, inhospitable place for us to be, 643 00:45:42,991 --> 00:45:45,476 so much as that what we learned 644 00:45:45,476 --> 00:45:48,004 while we were on that label 645 00:45:49,615 --> 00:45:52,163 taught us that this is right way to go. 646 00:45:56,466 --> 00:45:58,555 - We are gonna have 100 percent control 647 00:45:58,555 --> 00:46:01,180 over everything we do, 648 00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:02,718 and we're not that big. 649 00:46:19,505 --> 00:46:21,873 You know, bands like Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails do this, 650 00:46:21,873 --> 00:46:23,057 but for us to do it? 651 00:46:23,057 --> 00:46:25,372 I'm pretty excited to see the outcome. 652 00:46:44,762 --> 00:46:46,182 - [DJ] Hello! 653 00:46:56,152 --> 00:47:00,379 - [DJ] We are at Studio G in Brooklyn. 654 00:47:01,999 --> 00:47:03,355 And it's quite nice. 655 00:47:03,355 --> 00:47:05,659 And it's air-conditioned. 656 00:47:05,659 --> 00:47:07,260 I like air-conditioning. 657 00:47:17,646 --> 00:47:19,350 - [Mike] I feel like I'm at NASA headquarters 658 00:47:19,350 --> 00:47:20,885 with all this stuff. 659 00:47:22,723 --> 00:47:25,503 Matt, what would happen if I turn this knob? 660 00:47:25,503 --> 00:47:27,455 - Don't touch anything. 661 00:47:27,455 --> 00:47:28,854 (laughs) 662 00:47:30,026 --> 00:47:32,929 (mellow music) 663 00:47:37,994 --> 00:47:40,262 - I think the sound is gonna be a departure 664 00:47:40,262 --> 00:47:42,800 from what people are used to 665 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,095 in terms of a typical Rosetta record. 666 00:47:46,299 --> 00:47:48,667 - We wanted to have similarities 667 00:47:48,667 --> 00:47:50,640 to stuff we've done before, 668 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,946 but we also want it to be really dirty, 669 00:47:53,946 --> 00:47:55,941 and we want it to be really heavy 670 00:47:55,941 --> 00:47:58,054 and thick and crushing. 671 00:47:59,631 --> 00:48:01,969 (heavy music) 672 00:48:46,483 --> 00:48:47,789 - I hate to be a pain, but you can't give me 673 00:48:47,789 --> 00:48:49,462 any music to follow? 674 00:48:50,677 --> 00:48:53,601 ♫ Embrace and share in the moment ♫ 675 00:48:55,135 --> 00:48:57,334 (whispering) Sweet wayfarer. 676 00:48:57,898 --> 00:48:59,936 ♫ Sing its praise ♫ 677 00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,512 Oh, listen to this. 678 00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:07,552 ♫ Come and rest your woes 679 00:49:08,926 --> 00:49:11,498 ♫ Sweet wayfarer ♫ 680 00:49:11,924 --> 00:49:13,727 (whispering) 681 00:49:14,473 --> 00:49:18,379 ♫ Come rest from burden's embrace ♫ 682 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,825 I need to get water. 683 00:49:28,629 --> 00:49:30,977 ♫ Quietly weeping 684 00:49:34,452 --> 00:49:37,238 ♫ Allow me to express 685 00:49:39,188 --> 00:49:40,928 ♫ My ways 686 00:49:45,716 --> 00:49:48,597 ♫ A creed of isolation 687 00:49:50,983 --> 00:49:53,491 ♫ In silhouettes ♫ 688 00:49:57,063 --> 00:50:00,456 (gentle music) 689 00:50:20,964 --> 00:50:22,441 - [Dave] The future of the band 690 00:50:22,441 --> 00:50:24,159 is riding on this record. 691 00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:40,946 This pretty much was the last time 692 00:50:40,946 --> 00:50:42,985 we could all invest personal money into it. 693 00:50:53,298 --> 00:50:55,059 - I'm not a rich man. 694 00:50:57,411 --> 00:51:00,400 - [Mike] Because we've put ten years into this, 695 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,189 if we can't survive sustainably at this point, 696 00:51:04,169 --> 00:51:07,188 sadly, there's not a lot of 697 00:51:07,188 --> 00:51:09,929 reason to keep pumping time and energy 698 00:51:09,929 --> 00:51:14,014 into what is essentially a bona fide hobby 699 00:51:14,014 --> 00:51:16,127 that is extremely expensive. 700 00:51:20,232 --> 00:51:21,768 - If the album does not recoup, 701 00:51:21,768 --> 00:51:24,627 there is no money to tour or make more albums, 702 00:51:24,627 --> 00:51:26,781 and so it's just gonna be a long time 703 00:51:26,781 --> 00:51:28,414 where we don't do anything. 704 00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:32,615 - [Mike] Being in a band stalls your life. 705 00:51:32,615 --> 00:51:34,866 You can't do this other stuff 706 00:51:34,866 --> 00:51:36,349 that life is calling you to do, 707 00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:38,236 because you're touring, you're recording, 708 00:51:38,236 --> 00:51:40,999 you're playing shows, you're busy 709 00:51:40,999 --> 00:51:43,251 sculpting this entity. 710 00:51:50,161 --> 00:51:52,294 - The only thing that's still in my life 711 00:51:52,294 --> 00:51:54,065 that was in my life when Rosetta started 712 00:51:54,065 --> 00:51:55,569 is God and my family. 713 00:51:55,569 --> 00:51:56,679 That's it. 714 00:52:05,691 --> 00:52:08,594 (epic music) 715 00:52:19,205 --> 00:52:22,810 - [Mike] I'm constantly broke because of the band. 716 00:52:22,810 --> 00:52:24,314 I constantly have no money 717 00:52:24,314 --> 00:52:25,402 because I'm always the guy like, 718 00:52:25,402 --> 00:52:27,151 "Oh, you know... 719 00:52:27,151 --> 00:52:29,242 "Ok we need 500 dollars, 720 00:52:29,242 --> 00:52:30,234 "the van needs this repair, 721 00:52:30,234 --> 00:52:31,162 "alright, here it is, 722 00:52:31,162 --> 00:52:33,305 "here's T-shirt money, oh we didn't make it on tour? 723 00:52:33,305 --> 00:52:35,247 "No worries, keep..." 724 00:52:35,247 --> 00:52:36,848 That's fucking crazy. 725 00:52:48,537 --> 00:52:51,011 - [Matt] The unclear outcome has the greatest potential 726 00:52:51,011 --> 00:52:53,039 for generating conflict. 727 00:52:56,942 --> 00:52:59,427 And absolute disaster jeopardizes 728 00:52:59,427 --> 00:53:01,187 the continuing existence of the band, 729 00:53:01,187 --> 00:53:04,621 but does not jeopardize the creative and personal 730 00:53:04,621 --> 00:53:07,215 relationships among members of the band. 731 00:53:07,221 --> 00:53:10,106 The middling outcome is worse 732 00:53:10,106 --> 00:53:12,687 because it jeopardizes the relationships, 733 00:53:12,687 --> 00:53:14,405 because it could throw us into a situation 734 00:53:14,405 --> 00:53:15,844 where we're all fighting with each other 735 00:53:15,844 --> 00:53:17,979 all the time about whether we should keep going. 736 00:53:26,681 --> 00:53:28,400 - I would stick it out. 737 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,045 I would out of pure fucking lunacy 738 00:53:32,687 --> 00:53:33,894 because I love it. 739 00:53:42,297 --> 00:53:44,099 - Good luck trying to do this slot. 740 00:53:44,099 --> 00:53:46,614 (laughing) 741 00:53:46,614 --> 00:53:47,787 - Play a fucking sandal. 742 00:53:53,739 --> 00:53:55,488 - [Band member] Oh is there a piano part ready? 743 00:53:55,488 --> 00:53:57,046 - I just wrote one earlier 744 00:53:57,046 --> 00:53:58,038 and now I have to go practice it 745 00:53:58,038 --> 00:53:59,478 because I can't play it properly yet 746 00:53:59,478 --> 00:54:01,036 for reprise. 747 00:54:08,490 --> 00:54:11,904 - If Rosetta calls it a day 748 00:54:11,904 --> 00:54:13,482 because we can't make money, 749 00:54:13,482 --> 00:54:16,703 I'm gonna take that personally. 750 00:54:16,703 --> 00:54:19,242 Then I've gotta look at myself in the mirror 751 00:54:19,242 --> 00:54:21,014 and figure out, alright, well what's next. 752 00:54:21,014 --> 00:54:22,944 What is it that you're gonna do next 753 00:54:24,558 --> 00:54:27,415 to be able to express how it is that you feel about things? 754 00:54:28,021 --> 00:54:30,689 (piano chords) 755 00:54:47,736 --> 00:54:49,285 - I'm glad we're done drums, 756 00:54:49,285 --> 00:54:51,088 because my muscles are like 757 00:54:51,088 --> 00:54:53,158 ready to fall off of my body. 758 00:54:57,103 --> 00:54:58,449 (sighs) 759 00:55:27,236 --> 00:55:29,323 - When the mastering got done two days before 760 00:55:29,323 --> 00:55:31,830 the album was supposed to be released, 761 00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:34,827 so the sessions started about seven days before the release, 762 00:55:34,827 --> 00:55:37,845 and it took about five days to get it done, 763 00:55:37,845 --> 00:55:39,477 because I think we did three and a half 764 00:55:39,477 --> 00:55:41,077 or four revisions on it, 765 00:55:41,077 --> 00:55:42,176 Tuesday of that week, 766 00:55:42,176 --> 00:55:45,215 I had to take the Megabus to Boston, 767 00:55:45,215 --> 00:55:46,677 pick up the rental van for tour, 768 00:55:46,677 --> 00:55:48,811 turn around and drive back home. 769 00:55:49,898 --> 00:55:51,668 - I just watched the comments roll in, 770 00:55:51,668 --> 00:55:55,147 and people sort of post bummer comments. 771 00:56:03,508 --> 00:56:06,345 - I got home at 2:30 in the morning and released the album, 772 00:56:06,345 --> 00:56:09,843 and I did stay up for about 45 minutes after I posted it 773 00:56:09,843 --> 00:56:12,350 to see how it was doing. 774 00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:15,422 I guess I went to bed at maybe 3:15, 775 00:56:15,422 --> 00:56:19,592 and I got up at 6:30 or 7:00 776 00:56:20,947 --> 00:56:24,619 to find out that PayPal had shut down our account 777 00:56:24,619 --> 00:56:27,712 because too much stuff had come in all at once, 778 00:56:27,712 --> 00:56:29,772 and they thought that we were engaged in fraud. 779 00:56:30,986 --> 00:56:32,725 - When I woke up on the 8th and saw 780 00:56:32,725 --> 00:56:34,239 that we had about 781 00:56:35,957 --> 00:56:40,479 two thirds of our money in a period of 12 hours, 782 00:56:42,013 --> 00:56:44,418 I didn't really know what to think of it. 783 00:56:44,418 --> 00:56:45,688 - Success! 784 00:56:46,452 --> 00:56:47,614 - I was a little bit shocked. 785 00:56:47,614 --> 00:56:50,217 I was expecting the album to do 786 00:56:50,217 --> 00:56:52,094 pretty well in the first couple of days, 787 00:56:52,094 --> 00:56:53,461 not that well. 788 00:56:56,769 --> 00:56:59,275 I wanted the outcome to be clear 789 00:56:59,275 --> 00:57:01,309 in the financial, business side of things. 790 00:57:02,523 --> 00:57:06,128 It was successful enough to let us know 791 00:57:06,128 --> 00:57:09,445 for certain this was the right decision to go this way, 792 00:57:09,445 --> 00:57:12,048 we're going to keep doing what we're doing. 793 00:57:12,048 --> 00:57:13,723 That's good enough for me. 794 00:57:13,723 --> 00:57:15,740 (cheering) - [Mike] Thank you. 795 00:57:21,711 --> 00:57:24,497 (metal music) 796 00:57:45,038 --> 00:57:46,830 - The reviews, there's been some positive ones, 797 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:49,103 and lots of negative ones as well. 798 00:58:01,389 --> 00:58:02,947 I could really care less either way, 799 00:58:02,947 --> 00:58:04,452 you can't focus on those too much. 800 00:58:09,261 --> 00:58:12,098 - Did we make the album our fans wanted us to make? 801 00:58:12,098 --> 00:58:13,227 No. 802 00:58:13,227 --> 00:58:15,456 So by that measure it was not successful. 803 00:58:21,781 --> 00:58:23,838 - They get to me. 804 00:58:23,838 --> 00:58:25,651 They really do. 805 00:58:25,651 --> 00:58:27,902 They stand out, sadly, more than the people 806 00:58:27,902 --> 00:58:29,897 who are like, "This is the best thing you've ever done." 807 00:58:29,897 --> 00:58:31,476 Or, "This song is perfect." 808 00:58:36,861 --> 00:58:38,472 - Well the record's a success, 809 00:58:38,472 --> 00:58:41,437 but the reason why it's a success is because 810 00:58:41,437 --> 00:58:44,990 it is 100 percent what we wanted to do. 811 00:58:51,133 --> 00:58:53,010 - There's good music and bad music. 812 00:58:53,010 --> 00:58:55,166 And I feel like this is good music. 813 00:58:57,511 --> 00:58:59,698 My emotions about it were very clear. 814 00:59:00,816 --> 00:59:02,320 When we first finished it, 815 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,043 I was proud of it. 816 00:59:04,043 --> 00:59:05,643 What I said to my parents about it was, 817 00:59:05,643 --> 00:59:08,758 "This is the best thing that I've ever been involved in. 818 00:59:08,758 --> 00:59:09,964 "Period." 819 00:59:22,592 --> 00:59:24,940 (train whistling) 820 00:59:39,721 --> 00:59:42,036 - I need you to just tape this to your shirt. 821 00:59:42,036 --> 00:59:43,103 - Sure. 822 00:59:43,103 --> 00:59:45,620 - So we'll hide it right there, actually, 823 00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:48,234 wherever it's comfortable. - Gotcha. 824 00:59:49,428 --> 00:59:50,538 Thank you. 825 00:59:52,905 --> 00:59:54,252 (sighs) 826 00:59:54,252 --> 00:59:56,609 - [Interviewer] We've talked about Translation Loss before, 827 00:59:56,609 --> 00:59:58,892 but let's rehash it if we can. 828 00:59:58,892 --> 01:00:00,002 - Sure. 829 01:00:01,931 --> 01:00:04,555 You know I sat down to dinner with Drew one night 830 01:00:04,555 --> 01:00:06,592 and we had it out, 831 01:00:06,592 --> 01:00:09,451 and it was awesome, 832 01:00:09,451 --> 01:00:12,885 and I really thought that at that moment, 833 01:00:13,707 --> 01:00:17,183 ideally, we'd go back to being super good friends. 834 01:00:18,110 --> 01:00:19,667 And I've reached out to him a couple of times 835 01:00:19,667 --> 01:00:22,244 to see if he wanted to go a few shows, 836 01:00:22,244 --> 01:00:25,183 but he hasn't really been too receptive. 837 01:00:25,183 --> 01:00:26,776 And that sucks, 838 01:00:26,776 --> 01:00:28,588 but I understand why. 839 01:00:35,225 --> 01:00:38,309 (metal music) 840 01:04:47,659 --> 01:04:50,583 (clapping and cheering)