1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:04,520 The desperation, in some sense, 2 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:09,180 was more severe than I see here in -- in America. 3 00:00:09,190 --> 00:00:11,050 ¶¶ 4 00:00:11,060 --> 00:00:13,560 You know, you hear about the rough side of London. 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,290 I always knew that it existed. 6 00:00:16,300 --> 00:00:21,310 I just never knew that, in London, you could slip so low. 7 00:00:21,300 --> 00:00:24,200 People are desperate. 8 00:00:24,210 --> 00:00:28,110 You have people who would give these kids a shopping list 9 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:31,540 of things to go and steal, knowing that they're on drugs. 10 00:00:44,390 --> 00:00:48,360 [ Door closes, creaking ] 11 00:00:48,370 --> 00:00:51,740 Williams: Our goal is just to simply show the world a window 12 00:00:51,740 --> 00:00:55,140 as to why people do the things they do 13 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:58,340 and where that desperation comes from. 14 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:06,410 It's like they say, "When the system fails you, 15 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:08,820 you create your own system." 16 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:16,550 ¶¶ 17 00:01:19,130 --> 00:01:21,330 [ Bells jingling ] 18 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:29,580 It's Black Friday. 19 00:01:29,570 --> 00:01:32,470 It's regarded as the beginning of the holiday shopping season, 20 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,710 but this day has become the busiest 21 00:01:35,710 --> 00:01:38,170 and the biggest day of the year in Britain... 22 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:40,310 for shoplifters. 23 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:42,320 Now what's interesting about this story 24 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:43,820 is what they actually steal -- 25 00:01:43,820 --> 00:01:49,290 a leg of lamb, turkey, anything that this community 26 00:01:49,290 --> 00:01:52,620 may not necessarily be able to afford. 27 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:54,600 And we're about to meet up with a couple 28 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,640 who shoplift to support their drug habit. 29 00:02:00,340 --> 00:02:02,470 ¶¶ 30 00:02:02,470 --> 00:02:04,770 [ Horns honking ] 31 00:02:48,190 --> 00:02:50,590 [ Horns honking ] 32 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:00,630 Williams: This is Ronni and Dennis. 33 00:03:00,630 --> 00:03:03,200 They're addicted to drugs. 34 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,770 You know, heroin, crack cocaine. 35 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:10,740 Last year, in the UK, almost every type of crime was down 36 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:13,280 except shoplifting. 37 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,750 And I'm here to find out why. 38 00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:16,540 -Michael. -Michael. That's right. 39 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:18,250 -Come in. This is Dennis. -It's nice to meet you. 40 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:19,590 Dennis. Michael, boss. Good to meet you. 41 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:20,810 Come in. 42 00:03:20,820 --> 00:03:22,920 Yeah. I went into there and took, 43 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:25,460 um, these... 44 00:03:25,460 --> 00:03:27,990 men care kits. 45 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:30,420 Ronni: The people cannot get enough of them at the moment. 46 00:03:30,430 --> 00:03:34,300 And I got a iron. 47 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:37,240 Well, I mean, it does look -- sound stupid to nick an iron, 48 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:39,360 but people do buy it. 49 00:03:39,370 --> 00:03:41,540 ¶¶ 50 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:48,340 Dennis: All cops are bastards. 51 00:03:53,980 --> 00:03:55,280 Williams: How old are you guys? 52 00:03:55,290 --> 00:03:56,590 Dennis: Me, I'm 21. 53 00:03:56,590 --> 00:03:57,990 I'm 26. 54 00:03:57,990 --> 00:04:00,560 How long have you been shoplifting? 55 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,660 -Under a year. -Okay. 56 00:04:02,660 --> 00:04:04,800 But Dennis, since I've meet him, you've been... 57 00:04:04,790 --> 00:04:07,490 Yeah, I've been shoplifting since I've been a little kid. 58 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:09,670 Are you stealing to support your habit? 59 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:11,370 Yeah. 60 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:14,340 And, like, people will ask us to steal certain things. 61 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:16,810 Things like meat, for instance. 62 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:21,010 So, people submit shopping lists to you? 63 00:04:21,010 --> 00:04:22,440 [ Chuckles ] Yeah. 64 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:24,320 Almost every day, don't we? 65 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:25,710 Yeah. 66 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,920 How did you start using drugs? 67 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,790 Me, I started heroin at 13. 68 00:04:30,790 --> 00:04:33,360 You were 13 years old? Yeah. 69 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,860 Was injected by a person 70 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:37,500 that I've looked up to like an older brother. 71 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:39,450 How'd you get started using? 72 00:04:39,460 --> 00:04:41,620 The drug has been in my life since I was born. 73 00:04:41,630 --> 00:04:43,660 I was born addicted to heroin. 74 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:47,440 My mom was using when I was growing up. 75 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,510 We both take heroin and crack. £50 each, roughly. 76 00:04:50,510 --> 00:04:51,780 Yeah. 77 00:04:51,780 --> 00:04:53,680 You get no judgment from -- from me. 78 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,450 You know what I mean? Um, I've had my own, 79 00:04:56,450 --> 00:05:00,350 um, bout with narcotics, and it's an everyday struggle, so... 80 00:05:00,350 --> 00:05:03,960 Do you ever wonder, if you took just 20% of all that energy 81 00:05:03,950 --> 00:05:07,720 and put it towards something else, where you might end up? 82 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,450 We talk about that a lot, don't we? 83 00:05:09,460 --> 00:05:10,960 Yeah, we talk about that a lot. 84 00:05:12,930 --> 00:05:17,400 But we know that this isn't, for us, a long-term lifestyle. 85 00:05:18,540 --> 00:05:20,740 Excuse me. 86 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,940 [ Laughter ] 87 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:50,940 [ Man laughs ] 88 00:05:57,740 --> 00:05:59,800 Phil: Aye. 89 00:05:59,810 --> 00:06:02,080 ¶¶ 90 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,120 In a UK context, the poor have been getting poorer, 91 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,550 while the rich have been getting richer. 92 00:06:08,550 --> 00:06:12,080 After the financial crash in 2008, 93 00:06:12,090 --> 00:06:16,530 the government in 2010 decides that the way to respond 94 00:06:16,530 --> 00:06:18,130 is to cut public spending. 95 00:06:18,130 --> 00:06:19,770 That's health services. 96 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,060 That's services for family and children. 97 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:25,170 What inequality means, increasingly, 98 00:06:25,170 --> 00:06:28,940 is that your background dictates your future. 99 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,870 Man: One of the first acts of Britain's 100 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,820 new coalition government back in June 101 00:06:37,810 --> 00:06:39,610 was an emergency budget announcing 102 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:41,720 swingeing cuts to public spending. 103 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,160 We act on behalf of everyone who knows that Britain 104 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,460 has got to live within its means. 105 00:06:47,460 --> 00:06:51,100 [ Crowd chanting ] 106 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:53,790 Butler: Welfare benefits are harder to get, 107 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,700 and one of the ways in which people have responded 108 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,000 is survival crime. 109 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,660 They're stealing basics. 110 00:06:59,670 --> 00:07:02,710 They're stealing bread and milk and baby food. 111 00:07:02,710 --> 00:07:07,150 We're also seeing people who are deciding to go 112 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:10,040 to the black market because that's one of the ways 113 00:07:10,050 --> 00:07:13,020 in which they can afford to buy certain foodstuffs. 114 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:16,590 ¶¶ 115 00:07:16,590 --> 00:07:19,490 Williams: Dennis has been arrested for shoplifting 116 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:21,690 three times in the past two years. 117 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 So, um, what were the things that you got caught shoplifting? 118 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,970 It was meat. £200 worth of meat. 119 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:45,820 And another one, £101. 120 00:07:45,820 --> 00:07:47,520 Okay. All right. 121 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,850 So what do you think your chances are? 122 00:07:48,850 --> 00:07:50,050 I think, hopefully I'm going to get out. 123 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:51,210 -Yeah. -Come on then. 124 00:07:51,220 --> 00:07:52,710 So we'll be waiting for you, man. 125 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,020 Let me know what's going on. All right. 126 00:07:54,020 --> 00:07:55,480 All right, buddy, y'all be safe. 127 00:07:55,490 --> 00:07:56,850 All right. All right. All right, Ronni. 128 00:07:56,860 --> 00:07:58,700 Ronni: Okay. 129 00:08:05,740 --> 00:08:07,240 You know, if anybody knows my story, you know, 130 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,110 I've -- I've not been the most model in citizen 131 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:10,540 in -- in the whole world. 132 00:08:10,540 --> 00:08:14,050 I've been in some dark places myself, 133 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,770 and for me to be alive is a blessing. 134 00:08:17,780 --> 00:08:20,150 Let's face it, you know? 135 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:22,220 These -- These two kids, man, they -- 136 00:08:22,220 --> 00:08:24,690 You know, both of them got hooked on drugs, 137 00:08:24,690 --> 00:08:27,260 one born addicted from her mother, 138 00:08:27,260 --> 00:08:31,200 and him 13 years old got turned out. 139 00:08:31,190 --> 00:08:32,850 [ Chuckles ] 140 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:34,060 What happened? 141 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:36,730 They gave me a £500 fine. 142 00:08:36,730 --> 00:08:41,560 And I've got to go to a drug appointment at 12:00. 143 00:08:41,570 --> 00:08:42,800 -A drug appointment? -Yeah. 144 00:08:42,810 --> 00:08:44,110 -Like -- Like a rehab? -Yeah. 145 00:08:44,110 --> 00:08:45,140 Ronni: Like a rehab, yeah. Nine months. 146 00:08:45,140 --> 00:08:46,540 How you feel about that? 147 00:08:46,540 --> 00:08:47,840 I feel quite pleased, actually. 148 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,240 You ready to do it? 149 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:51,250 Yeah, I mean I've done eight years on drugs. 150 00:08:51,250 --> 00:08:53,080 And now I think it's time to get off it. 151 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,180 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 152 00:08:55,180 --> 00:08:56,180 What's the agenda for right now? 153 00:08:56,190 --> 00:08:57,790 We're going to go back home 154 00:08:57,790 --> 00:08:59,060 and get some stuff that we've got, just so... 155 00:08:59,060 --> 00:09:00,660 And score one last time. [ Laughs ] 156 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:02,260 Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Score, yeah. 157 00:09:02,260 --> 00:09:05,060 Score one last time before tomorrow. Yeah, I mean -- 158 00:09:05,060 --> 00:09:07,120 ¶¶ 159 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,040 Williams: All right. So, Dennis and Ronni went home 160 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,570 and they picked up their last little bit of stolen goods, 161 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:23,320 and they're gonna sell it, take the money, 162 00:09:23,310 --> 00:09:26,710 and go buy drugs, hopefully, for the last time. 163 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,650 It has been a really long day. 164 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,980 Yeah. Yeah. 165 00:09:39,830 --> 00:09:41,930 -Yeah. -Yeah. 166 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:52,140 The -- The pub owners allow you 167 00:09:52,140 --> 00:09:53,300 to go into the store and sell in there? 168 00:09:53,310 --> 00:09:54,380 Into the pub -- yeah? 169 00:09:54,380 --> 00:09:55,780 -Yeah. Discreetly. -Yeah. 170 00:09:55,780 --> 00:09:57,880 What is all of this? What do you got? 171 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,880 We got makeup sets, gift sets, and steaks. [ Coughs ] Little gift sets. 172 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,840 Right. Right. Christmas gifts today. 173 00:10:01,850 --> 00:10:03,780 If he changes his mind, says, "No, I don't want you 174 00:10:03,790 --> 00:10:05,090 to come into the store," then what would you do? 175 00:10:05,090 --> 00:10:06,660 Go somewhere else, then. 176 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:08,290 -Go somewhere else, yeah. -Go somewhere else? 177 00:10:08,290 --> 00:10:10,120 ¶¶ 178 00:10:37,390 --> 00:10:39,990 [ Conversing indistinctly ] 179 00:10:45,930 --> 00:10:47,400 Dennis: Honestly. 180 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:52,240 Yeah. Yeah. 181 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,450 A lot of people say, "Oh, thieves need to be hung." 182 00:11:18,460 --> 00:11:19,950 [ Ronni scoffs ] 183 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,720 Look at us like the scum of the earth. 184 00:11:21,730 --> 00:11:23,960 But at the end of the day, we're just trying to get by 185 00:11:23,970 --> 00:11:27,270 on a system that's failed us completely. 186 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:30,210 Obviously, yeah, we're helping ourselves by shoplifting. 187 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:31,810 But we're also -- 188 00:11:31,810 --> 00:11:33,410 we help the people that buy the stuff off us. 189 00:11:33,410 --> 00:11:36,980 Like, they couldn't be more grateful. 190 00:11:36,980 --> 00:11:38,850 [ Horns honking ] 191 00:11:38,850 --> 00:11:41,890 That was the last hurrah? That's the last of it, huh? 192 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,780 -Yeah. -So what are you gonna do now? 193 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:46,120 Tomorrow I start the drug treat-- treatment, yeah. 194 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,320 Yeah. A new year, whole new fresh outlook on life, you know? 195 00:11:49,330 --> 00:11:50,760 Yeah. 196 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,330 Hugs! Hugs! Bring it in! Bring it in! 197 00:11:52,330 --> 00:11:54,070 Good luck. Don't kill yourself, hear? 198 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:55,260 -Yeah. -Please. For real? 199 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:57,060 -Yeah. -All right, bro? 200 00:11:57,070 --> 00:11:59,100 ¶¶ 201 00:12:01,770 --> 00:12:03,770 Williams: So, we left the streets of London 202 00:12:03,770 --> 00:12:07,500 and took a four-hour drive to Liverpool. 203 00:12:07,510 --> 00:12:10,450 It reminded me a lot of Baltimore. 204 00:12:10,450 --> 00:12:13,020 Like, they're both port cities. 205 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:16,190 The drugs that flood those city's streets in Liverpool 206 00:12:16,190 --> 00:12:19,160 are on a different level than the city of London 207 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,390 and, you know, you mix that with no resources, no jobs, 208 00:12:22,390 --> 00:12:25,490 and shoplifting is on the rise. 209 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:28,000 We met up with a mother of two, 210 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000 and she had to revert to a black market to feed her family. 211 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,530 [ Knock on door ] 212 00:12:34,540 --> 00:12:36,980 -How are you doing? -Hello. 213 00:12:36,970 --> 00:12:38,500 -Hello. -Come in. 214 00:12:38,510 --> 00:12:41,110 Hey, thank you for welcoming us into your home. 215 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:43,110 I understand you have a hookup on certain things 216 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:44,440 you may need, um, like, 217 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:46,450 supplies and stuff to support your family. 218 00:12:46,450 --> 00:12:48,520 How do y-- How do you get that? 219 00:13:03,830 --> 00:13:06,430 You know, me coming from a -- a poverty-stricken community 220 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,040 my-- myself -- I grew up in -- 221 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,470 in the projects in -- in Brooklyn. 222 00:13:09,470 --> 00:13:11,130 Mm-hmm. 223 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:14,150 And, grace of God, my mother, she never had to do this. 224 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:21,150 Yeah. 225 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,900 And, um, they're just shoplifting to get money 226 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:38,870 to support themselves or are they on drugs, like -- 227 00:13:42,610 --> 00:13:44,380 ¶¶ 228 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:46,870 Williams: She is basically on hard times. 229 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,080 Mental illness, no job, no benefits. 230 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,420 She has no way right now to feed her family. 231 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:59,420 ¶¶ 232 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:05,850 Williams: Gillian is basically 233 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:09,390 Liverpool's version of Ronni and Dennis. 234 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,400 But her situation is a little bit more desperate. 235 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:39,230 [ Gillian coughing ] 236 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,160 -Hey. -Okay. 237 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:10,530 Pork. 238 00:15:10,530 --> 00:15:12,930 Oh, yeah. 239 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:16,400 Yeah. 240 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,530 See? It's these three. 241 00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:47,600 Woman: The biggest myth people have about drug users -- 242 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,700 There's lots, but I think the biggest one 243 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:51,700 is that are stupid. 244 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:55,200 If you got a £50 a day habit on heroin, 245 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,700 you're gonna have to work pretty hard. 246 00:15:57,710 --> 00:15:59,740 So you're not lazy. You know your money. 247 00:15:59,740 --> 00:16:02,100 You can work out how much you get in the daytime 248 00:16:02,110 --> 00:16:03,600 and how much you need to use. 249 00:16:03,610 --> 00:16:06,370 And it's just persistent like that. 250 00:16:06,380 --> 00:16:11,350 Funny to go out raising, stealing, and I'm busy. 251 00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:14,420 And they are busy. 252 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,530 Williams: So, what do we have here? 253 00:16:24,430 --> 00:16:26,130 Yeah. 254 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:49,630 ¶¶ 255 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,100 How long do you see yourself surviving like this? 256 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:55,800 Wendy: Um... 257 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,350 -Yeah. Thank you so much. -You're welcome. 258 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:09,640 I want to send bless-- blessings to your family, all the best. 259 00:17:09,650 --> 00:17:11,150 -Yeah, you, too. -Thank you. 260 00:17:11,150 --> 00:17:13,350 -Can I give you a hug? -Of course! Oh! 261 00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:15,450 [ Chuckles ] Merry Christmas. 262 00:17:15,450 --> 00:17:16,610 You, too, as well. All the best. 263 00:17:16,620 --> 00:17:18,460 All right. All right. 264 00:17:18,450 --> 00:17:21,380 Bye. Bye. 265 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,330 Williams: You could see that she wasn't proud 266 00:17:25,330 --> 00:17:27,200 of what she was doing. 267 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,270 But, you know, you have to eat. 268 00:17:30,270 --> 00:17:33,500 You know, I was curious to find out 269 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:37,770 who was really benefiting from this black market. 270 00:17:37,770 --> 00:17:40,640 ¶¶ 271 00:17:42,580 --> 00:17:44,680 What's up, man? 272 00:17:47,420 --> 00:17:50,220 So I understand you, uh, you move heroin? 273 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:52,290 Yeah. Okay. 274 00:17:54,590 --> 00:17:56,730 You're aware they're stealing 275 00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:59,360 things in the community t-to sell to make -- 276 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:05,100 Yeah. And out of 10 of your customers, 277 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:07,830 how many of them are out there, um, stealing, 278 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,640 um, to -- to make the money to get to you? 279 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,480 Do you see that as an issue in your community? 280 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,820 Mm-hmm. 281 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:26,850 What would you like to see change in this community? 282 00:18:52,350 --> 00:18:54,290 [ Man laughing ] 283 00:18:58,390 --> 00:19:01,190 ¶¶ 284 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:13,760 Williams: Stephen French basically... 285 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:16,610 Man, this dude used to be one of the most notorious gangsters 286 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:19,180 in Liverpool. Morning. 287 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:22,280 There's probably nothing on those streets of Liverpool 288 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,180 that Stephen hasn't done a little bit of 289 00:19:26,180 --> 00:19:29,410 and had a little bit of done to him. 290 00:19:29,420 --> 00:19:31,690 This is a form of black market 291 00:19:31,690 --> 00:19:33,930 where people take the stolen goods 292 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,920 and sell them to the community who can't afford 293 00:19:36,930 --> 00:19:38,600 to feed their families. Yeah. 294 00:19:38,590 --> 00:19:40,590 That is -- That's dysfunctional. 295 00:19:45,630 --> 00:19:47,660 Yeah, right. 296 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:55,480 Yeah, right? 297 00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:10,750 ...yeah, right... 298 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,500 Mm. 299 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,700 Mm-hmm. 300 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:17,940 Yep. 301 00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:19,760 ...yeah, right... 302 00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:28,270 ¶¶ 303 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:34,790 Williams: You know, Dennis and Ronni, 304 00:20:34,780 --> 00:20:36,880 they really touched my heart, you know? 305 00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:40,560 I -- I s-- I saw so much of myself in them. 306 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,430 So, um, we checked up on them. 307 00:21:08,380 --> 00:21:10,980 [ Lighter clicks ] 308 00:21:49,490 --> 00:21:51,790 Just go on. Coming back to normality that I wanted. 309 00:21:51,790 --> 00:21:53,390 [ Lighter clicks ] 310 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,570 And Dennis can, as well. 311 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,790 So we're happy. Yeah. 312 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,370 I'm going to completely go back to being the old Dennis. 313 00:22:01,370 --> 00:22:04,940 Doing weights, running, getting healthy again. 314 00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:18,450 Yeah. We want to, in the next year... 315 00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:20,580 get clean and start trying for a family. 316 00:22:20,590 --> 00:22:22,560 That's what we want. 317 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,840 My fear -- My only fear is that 318 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,440 we're not going to give up in time 319 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,480 and Dennis is going to get one bad hit and die, 320 00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:38,930 to be honest, 321 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:42,400 because I've lost my mum to this drug that way. 322 00:22:42,410 --> 00:22:44,940 I lost my ex-boyfriend of four years that way, 323 00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:46,920 to this drug. 324 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,750 And that's why I'm so desperate to just get rid of it 325 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:51,450 as soon -- as soon as we can, 326 00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:56,020 because I don't want... to have that one bad hit -- 327 00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:57,690 and have that for Dennis, as well. 328 00:22:57,690 --> 00:22:59,690 It would break my heart. 329 00:23:01,030 --> 00:23:02,900 A lot. 330 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:06,740 A lot. Sorry. 331 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,120 Dennis: Here. Found it. 332 00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:21,810 ¶¶ 333 00:23:36,670 --> 00:23:39,670 ¶¶ 334 00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:47,610 [ Sighs ] 335 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:50,680 Being with Dennis and Ronni, it was, uh... 336 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,620 it was tough for me. 337 00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:57,040 I-I see myself, and I'm in a lot of different ways. 338 00:23:57,050 --> 00:23:59,210 I know in my heart that they deserve 339 00:23:59,220 --> 00:24:02,920 a -- a -- a real shot at life. 340 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:06,860 It's a really nasty, vicious, uh, uh, cycle. 341 00:24:06,860 --> 00:24:10,860 And the system that's been put in play, you know, by poverty. 342 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:14,840 I was like, "Wow." 343 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,810 Things could go very wrong very fast in the UK if you're poor.