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one in this country.

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You know, you always hear
about people going down south,

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and you bring guns
back to Brooklyn.

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That was a common conversation

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in the community
and the projects.

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But I just never knew
how easy it was to do that.

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How long have you been --
been selling guns?

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Has the game
changed in your --

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in these 2 years?
Has it gotten easier or harder?

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Has the police wised up
to what the game is?

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People don't feel safe.
That's part of the reason.

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Our goal is just to simply
show the world a window

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as to why people
do the things they do,

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where that desperation
comes from.

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It's like they say,
"When the system fails you,

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you create your own system."

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Growing up on these streets

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in, um, in projects
in Flatbush Brooklyn,

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I've seen a lot of violence,
a lot of gun violence, you know.

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The flip side of that
is I started losing

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a lot of friends.

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Cities like New York
have tried to, um,

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make the laws
more strict in regards

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to getting illegal guns
out here on the streets.

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But in my opinion,

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I don't see much
difference still,

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same senseless violence.

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Oh, here we go.

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Vast majority of illegal guns
on New York City streets

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actually come from states
with lenient gun laws.

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So I'ma try to find out

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where these illegal guns
coming from

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and how are they ending up
on New York City streets.

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Yeah, I had heard
that Atlanta was

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the starting point
for a lot of these guns,

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so went down there
to meet the local gun runner.

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What's good, man?
-How you doing?

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Wanted to talk to you
about, you know, I mean,

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the gun running
from Atlanta to New York.

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How long have you been
in the business

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of selling weapons?

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Where are these guns
on the table,

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where are they off to?

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Am I correct in saying

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that this is
a military assault rifle?

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No one
feels safe anymore.

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Like people just generally
don't feel safe.

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Do you feel the same way
in regards?

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Let me ask you
a question, man,

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'cause I feel you
a conscious brother.

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-Mm-hmm.
-You recognize the fact

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that there's a good chance
that some of these weapons

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that are being sold are gonna
probably end up in the hood

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in another brother's hand

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taking another
brother's life?

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Does that bear any weight
on you at all?

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You know what I'm saying?

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Do I agree with his methods
of supporting himself?

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You know, no.
But I do understand

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and I empathize with his pain

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as being a black man
with not enough to do

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and resorting to what resources
is in the community.

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Who am I to -- to judge that.

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I felt it.

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Georgia has over 2,000
licensed gun dealers.

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That's almost triple
the number of McDonald's.

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Federal law requires
licensed dealers

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to run background checks.

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Now these background checks
are supposed to stop gun sales

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to drug addicts,

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mentally ill people
and convicted felons.

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But even if you have
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there's always a way
to get a gun.

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So we asked a former
gun runner to show us

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how traffickers
get their hands on guns.

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Being from a small town
that had no jobs,

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that's how I got in the game
in the first place.

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And there was already
too many people selling drugs.

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So I got caught up on weapons.

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Over the course of a lifetime,

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I probably had anywhere
from 2,000 to 3,000 guns.

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I really don't have a count.

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If someone wanted to buy
a gun right now,

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I could get them a gun
this evening illegally.

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I can go to people that I know
have illegal weapons

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that you can just purchase
for a certain amount of money.

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Those are the easiest
weapons to buy

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because there are
people out there

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that break into pawn shops
on the regular.

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I would think that it would be
a very good location

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to do from the back wall

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simply because
of the camera angles.

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The boxes obscure
the view of the camera.

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The angle on the camera looks
as though it's not working.

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The only way that they would
be able to actually do this,

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because it has so much
security in the front,

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they would actually
use heavy equipment.

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And they would go
through the back wall

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of this particular location.

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They would go to the nearest
construction site.

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And they would steal
whatever heavy equipment

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that they could use.

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You gonna try to breach
the wall right here

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because it's gonna be
the easiest way

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to get the equipment in.

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Your four to five guys
will enter through the hole.

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Each guy's gonna have five
to six weapons apiece.

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And you're gone because by now,

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the alarm's already sounding.
You've got a load.

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And you've got to get out.
You got to be gone.

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And it's being done
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everywhere, all the time.

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Bojorquez: 10 thieves rushed
inside this gun store,

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smashed glass cases,

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grabbed guns by the sack full,

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all in under 2 minutes.

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Federal officials say weapons
stolen in this type of burglary

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will likely end up
on the black market

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and could be used
in violent crimes.

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Stone Mountain Red: I was
in one of the projects

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right here in Atlanta.

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We were about to make a trip
to New York.

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And we were stopping
to purchase some cocaine

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so that we could stay awake
while we were driving.

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And, uh, we were robbed
by two kids,

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two 9-year-olds with 9mm's
in my face trying to rob me.

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That's when it really dawned
on me what I was doing.

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I saw a lot of crime.
And who knows,

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maybe my weapons
were part of those crimes.

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And I didn't really intend
for it to be that way.

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When you see needless death
and violence, then, you know,

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a human being is gonna have some
type of feelings about that.

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And I do.

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Williams: Atlanta's the hub
for illegal gun runners

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because there are
so many ways to get a gun.

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What's good, fam?
Respect.

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What's up, man?
Respect.

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So what do you got
in the bag today?

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Can you tell me
where you obtained these --

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these weapons from?

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Oh, so you buy
these guns legally?

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Yeah.

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So you got a connect

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that goes
and buys the guns for you?

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Now I got you.
Yeah.

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Uh-huh.

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What would be
the going price for a 9mm?

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What do you
flip that for?

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Has there ever been an incident
where these guns

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were traced back
to the person who sold 'em?

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Do you know anybody
that...

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The dudes who I met in Atlanta,
man, they --

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they didn't really care.

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This is what it is.

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This is what I do.

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We buy and sell guns.

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No glamour, no remorse,
just it is what it is.

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You really can't
understand gun trafficking

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unless you understand
our gun laws.

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So we asked a local gun
enthusiast to show us

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how he was able
to legally purchase guns

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without a background check
from a private seller.

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Man: You can really
just go online and find

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so many listings
of private sellers.

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This is a never-ending list.

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This guy right here
really has a full package

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of everything you need
for an AR-15.

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It's fairly cheap also
for what -- what he's selling.

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$1,400's really not bad.

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This guy right here
has a Ruger for sale.

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He's asking for $350.

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You could probably even get
that a little bit cheaper.

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[ Cellphone rings ]

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All right. Thanks, man.
I appreciate it.

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-Have a good one.
-You too.

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Williams: And for years,
the most common place

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for private sales
was at the gun show.

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-Thank you.
-Thank you.

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You have a great day.
-You too.

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Williams:
It is crazy how many guns

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and how many varieties
of guns are at a gun show.

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Would you, uh,
be negotiable on this?

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Now at this show,

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about 80% of the booths
are all licensed.

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But the other 20%
were private sellers.

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Man:
This is a 380 Beretta.

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So I got that
pretty simple and easy.

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As long as I had cash,
I was good.

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Like, you know, I could've been
a felon for all they know.

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Williams: In January 2016,
President Obama issued

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an executive order to shut down
the gun-show loophole.

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Anybody in the business
of selling firearms

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must get a license
and conduct background checks

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or be subject
to criminal prosecutions.

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Williams: And Obama, he's trying
to do something,

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but some critics say the new law

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might just push buyers
further underground.

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You know, I'm not gonna lie.

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In Atlanta, I felt a little --
a little uneasy.

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What made me connect with Omar

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is he actually was making
a moral statement.

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He just chose the gun
to do it with.

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Outside of that, man,
I'm comfortable with guns

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as long as the bullets
are not real.

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This dude is a gun runner.

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And he's about to run
some guns up North.

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[ Thunder rumbles ]

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The guns will be worth
four times

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what he paid for 'em
when he gets to New York.

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Houser:
It's been my experience,

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and I've been an agent
almost 27 years,

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I think one of
the biggest challenges

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in curtailing
firearms trafficking

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is the fact
that you have 50 states.

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And you almost have
50 different rules.

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So there's no way to estimate
how many weapons

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are crossing state
lines illegally.

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You know, what we have are hard

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and true statistics
of what has been recovered.

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So we're getting the weapon.

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And we're backtracking
the story to figure out

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who is responsible
for trafficking it.

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And it is a very, very long,
arduous process.

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ATF's National
Tracing Center division

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is the only facility
like it in the country.

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Many people are
under the impression

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that we just type
a gun's serial number

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into a computer system

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and it pops out
who bought the gun.

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That's not the reality
of the situation.

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There isn't any national
registry for firearms.

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So consequently,
there is a process

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that we have to go through
to isolate who the purchaser is.

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Hi. This is Debbie with
ATF National Tracing Center.

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I have a gun trace that I need
your assistance with, please.

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Williams:
The system to track guns
used in crimes is outdated.

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I'm looking
for a Glock 38 pistol.

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And these ladies
are on the phone

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trying to track down
all these different sellers.

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To me, it seems crazy.

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Have a good day.

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Uh-huh, buh-bye.

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Mulham: Currently there's more
than 10,000 boxes

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in process here.

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Once we cross
the 10,000-box mark,

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GSA, who owns the building,
says the floor will collapse.

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So we actually have seven
shipping containers

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in the parking lot
in the back filled with records.

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Right.

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Williams:
The ATF has to scan,

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sort and dig through
all these records

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because Congress prohibits them

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from creating
a searchable database.

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This technology was old even
when I was in school.

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So this roll of microfilm,

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10,000 frames
of information, 10,000 pages.

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Particular dealer, there might
be five dealers on this.

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But if a guy's been
in business for say 20, 30 years

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and sold a lot of guns,

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why, this whole section

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may be microfilm associated
with that dealer's records.

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10, 20, 30, 40, 50,
60,000 pages

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have to be reviewed
until you find the right gun.

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I mean, I know it looks
a little bit primitive,

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but that's how it works.

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Houser:
That's -- that's the process.

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That's -- that's what
the process was in 1989

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when I started on this job.

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And it's also what
the process is now.

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But we can see geographic areas

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that we know weapons are
funneling into our city from.

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The data shows here in New York

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that, uh, a large majority
of the weapons

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that are being recovered
are coming from southern states.

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Williams: This crew is waiting
for a shipment of guns

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coming up from the South.

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Man:
You know what I mean?

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Braga: This is not a problem
just of New York.

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This is, uh, a problem
across the country.

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We talked to roughly about
130 gang members in Chicago.

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The reasons why they want guns

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is because it's an objectively
very risky environment.

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And if you don't have a firearm,

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the perception is that you
are at greater risk

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of being victimized yourself.

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And the tragedy is that carrying
a gun doesn't make you safer.

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It makes you more likely to be
a target of violence.

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'Sup, man?

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Williams: This Chicago
gangbanger agreed to talk to me

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about why he feels the need
to keep his crew strapped.

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How easy is it
for you

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to obtain
an illegal gun out here?

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Real easy.

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Everybody got a...
Yeah.

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What's up.

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You been on basically
buying and trading guns

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for about 2 years
or so.

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You sell 'em to your block?
Or do you...

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Your sole purpose
of getting guns

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is to make sure you
and your -- your boys

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stay --
stay armed up.

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When's the last time
you --

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you -- you felt the need
to, uh, to strap up?

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Basically.

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You was in a gunfight
10 minutes ago

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before we just spoke?

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So...

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So you think with all the hype
about gun violence,

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with all the violence
and all the bloodshed...

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You know what I mean?

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How do you see the future
of what you doing?

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After the interview was over,

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he took off his mask.

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And he looked me dead
in my eye and said,

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"Please take me with you.

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I do not want to die
on these streets.

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I'm sick of this shit."

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And I said, "You know,
what is the main reason

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why y'all fight so much?

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What -- what is the main thing
for the bloodshed out here?

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Is it the gang life?

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Is it the drug territory?"

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He said, "Yes, that's it.

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But the number-one thing
is just pussy and pride."

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You know, you just -- you looked
at my girl the wrong way.

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Or you know...what?

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You look too much like me.
Bang bang.

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And I just looked at him.

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And my heart just
went out, you know.

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And he's gone now.

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3:00 in the afternoon,

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murdered right there
on the street.

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This shit is real h--

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it's real, like, you know.

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I spoke to this kid.

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He told me he did not want
to die on these streets.

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And that's exactly
what happened.

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He died on those streets.

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The people who are
illegally buying

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and selling guns, you know,

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these are people
who are on the streets.

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They looking to
protect themselves.

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You know, it's the life is cheap
on the streets policy.

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I don't think that's gonna stop
no time soon unfortunately.