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And Wallace is fouled.
And Wallace is... Oh! Wallace!
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Right on Artest!
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This has potentially serious...
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It's time for the NBA to stop pretending.
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Call it the TBA,
the Thug Basketball Association.
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These guys never had to follow the rules.
They are prima donna athletes.
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I couldn't believe what was going on.
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It was an iconic brawl.
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Unprofessional.
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Absolutely unprofessional.
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It's hard to explain to people
from suburban America.
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Ron Artest just went nuts.
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He does have psychological problems.
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We ride together, fam!
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Stephen Jackson deserved
the most severe penalty.
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I'm never talking about this shit again.
Can you get that on camera?
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It was way too much pressure for me. Way...
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I felt I was trying to escape,
to find any way to escape.
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Pressure on the NBA�to clean up its ranks,
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send a message
that these guys are not a bunch of thugs.
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If you actually knew what happened,
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you actually knew the effects
that it had on everybody...
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...you wouldn't even be asking questions.
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I want the story out there.
What happened? Go frame by frame.
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Show people all the footage.
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Then when it's told, you make
your own conclusion on what it is.
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? Stranger's arms reach out ?
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? To me ?
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? 'Cause they know ?
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? I'm so lonely ?
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? Then my mind goes back ?
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? To you ?
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? And your sweet love ?
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? Sees me through ?
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All right, all right, all right, I'm good.
I can walk!
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- Okay, fine.
- I can walk!
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Okay, all right.
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We ride together, fam!
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Once we got to the locker room,
I remember just sitting down,
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and I sat there for a while, and I sat...
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I literally sat in my uniform.
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And my phone just vibrating.
Like, it's going off.
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My wife calling me, my mother,
my brother, friends calling me.
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I think I had
over a hundred text messages.
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My adrenaline's still pumping.
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I'm just sitting there
trying to calm down, man.
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Just trying to calm down.
I'm still in fight mode.
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In my head, I'm like, "You're done."
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"There's no way...
you might not ever play again."
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"Start thinking about something else."
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
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A stretcher taking away an injured fan.
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An ambulance on the scene
with flashing lights and victims inside.
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This is what became
of the Pistons-Pacers game
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at the Palace of Auburn Hills.
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But everyone's saying
it's a black eye for Detroit
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and pointing the finger
at some particular Pacers players.
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When I got home,
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I'm up all night looking at this.
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We think there have to be
special rules in these sports arenas,
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and we think we have to have kid gloves
and treat these zillion-dollar athletes
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as if they're different and special.
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Too many players in this league
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whose actions and attitudes
bespeak kind of a thug mentality.
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I just remember watching TV,
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and now I'm thinking about
all the work that I put in as a pro player
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to get to the point I've gotten to.
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Everything you worked for,
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in a split moment.
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Getting out of my position
of how I grew up
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in Columbia, South Carolina
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put me in a position
to look at life differently.
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They flew the Confederate flag
on the state house
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until as recently
as three or four years ago.
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You make decisions growing up
because your environment is that.
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Your environment states
that's what you should be doing,
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but basketball became
that safe haven for me
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to, you know,
not go down the road that many do.
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The National Basketball Association draft
of new talent is coming up on Wednesday.
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This year's crop is younger than ever.
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One high school senior,
Jermaine O'Neal,
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thinks he's ready to play in the NBA.
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Jermaine O'Neal!
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O'Neal,
an All-American from South Carolina,
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has decided to try his luck in the draft.
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I knew it was time
to make the jump to the NBA.
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I'm the piece that can change
the bloodline of my family,
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that can break the chains of things
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that have been going on
over and over and over and over again.
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I'm that piece.
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The Portland Trail Blazers
select Jermaine O'Neal
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from Eau Claire High School
in South Carolina.
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I got drafted at 17,
picked to the Portland Trail Blazers.
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You get an opportunity to play something
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that many people
just dream about doing at 17.
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Right? Just started driving.
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But I also remember the boos.
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That was one of the things
that really motivated me.
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Because people were counting me out.
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And now Jermaine O'Neal...
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I remember the first time
I played in an NBA game.
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It's like living a dream.
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There ain't nothing
like walking into those NBA arenas.
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Feeling that energy.
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That hate if you're opposing team.
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Or that incredible love
if you're home team.
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Jermaine O'Neal!
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I became the youngest player at the time
to play an NBA game.
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Now I'm going from being�the best player
on the court in high school
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to being the fourth-best person
at my position on my own team.
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You never think about not playing.
You just don't think about that.
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Because if you do, you're a loser.
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But it was like, "Damn, how dare you
just not even give me a chance?"
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I remember sitting at the end of the bench
and tears in my eyes.
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I was like, "Something gotta change."
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Well, it was just a couple months ago
when the Pacers lost to an O'Neal,
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but this week,
they gained one in Jermaine�O'Neal.
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When I got the call�that I got traded
from Portland to Indiana,
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I was so excited. It was an opportunity
to play with Reggie Miller.
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Reggie! Reggie!�Reggie!
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I'm a die-hard Reggie fan.
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I'm here for Reggie.
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I come to the games
because of Reggie.
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I know he's a true competitor.
He's a legend.
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I told them,
"Look, put me right next to his locker.
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I need to talk to him."
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Here's Reggie. Here's the shot!
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Ah!
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I played 18 years
for the Indiana Pacers.
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Indiana breathes basketball.
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They live it.
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So, me being a basketball junkie,
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I was in heaven.
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And I was fortunate that Donnie Walsh,
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the president/general manager,
took a chance on me.
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Reggie was the guy
that really put the Indiana Pacers
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on a trajectory
they had not been on before.
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He really wanted to win
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and did more than anybody anywhere
in attempting to get the championship.
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Reggie Miller
of the Indiana Pacers is here.
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He is one�of the great basketball players
in the NBA.
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- Great to have you. Thanks for coming.
- Thank you. My pleasure.
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Is there more pressure on you this season
because of the success of last season?
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I think so. Um...
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I-I wanna win the championship.
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That is... That is my big goal.
We came very close last year.
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We got to the finals in 2000,
and we lost to the Lakers.
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Jackson looking
to throw it in against Shaq.
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Reggie turns and puts it up.
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Off the rim,
and the Lakers are the NBA champions.
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We can't help but wonder,
how many more chances
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for the magnificent Reggie Miller?
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That was my 14th year,
and we had never won a championship.
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Looking at all the contracts and the age,
it was time for us to get younger,
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and they made and pulled the plug
in getting Jermaine.
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The first day when I got traded,
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I was at Champps, downtown Indianapolis.
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And I walked in, I heard,
"That's the guy we traded Dale Davis for."
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People were pissed.
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They gutted the team.
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I was 20 years old.
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I've never been in a position
to be a starter
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every single night,
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but I'm willing to sacrifice
every single thing I got
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for this opportunity.
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100% certain that you guys
won't be disappointed at all.
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I think you'll be very, very happy
the trade was made.
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I can bring a lot to the table.
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I think Jermaine was really dedicated
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to trying to prove he was
one of the best players in the league.
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And he handled himself off the court
with that kind of confidence.
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You know,
he was kinda what the NBA wanted.
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I was kinda thinking,
not right away, but down the road,
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maybe he could replace Reggie.
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He's definitely showing signs
he'd carry this franchise,
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and what I mean by that
is not the numbers he does,
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but I think the leadership he brings
to a lot of the younger guys in here.
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You have to outwork people.
Like, you just gotta be a savage.
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Jermaine, to me,
was a very unusual player for then.
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He can do a lot of big man things,
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but he can also
take people off the dribble,
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and he was very athletic.
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O'Neal with a gorgeous
360 spin on Vlade Divac. Wow!
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Jermaine was on the verge
of becoming a superstar in our game.
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And he was becoming
the face of the Indiana Pacers.
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First-time NBA All-Star center
Jermaine O'Neal.
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Then I'm like, "Okay, I like it."
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I didn't care about minutes or points.
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I wanted all these young guys
to do the bulk of the work.
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I wanted to win
a championship for Indiana.
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That's what it was all about for me.
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My main focus,
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and it doesn't always take place
in one year,
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is get players that fit with each other.
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When I got traded to Indiana,
I was on the bus going to the Miami game.
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They said, "Don't get off the bus."
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Uh, "You're traded."
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And I remember...
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You know, I never listen.
So, I got off the bus.
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And they said, "Don't get on the court."
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And I went on the court.
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And they said, "Get off the court."
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I said, "No,"
and I practiced for an hour.
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In their first meeting
with the Indianapolis media today,
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the newest members of the Indiana Pacers
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expressed relief
over getting out of Chicago.
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It feels good to be here
after a couple of years in Chicago losing,
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and, uh, it just was hard, you know.
I just wanna bring that winning effort.
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I didn't have a lot of trust with people
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just because of things
that I was going through and stuff.
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For me, it's enemies.
Everybody's an enemy to me, all the time.
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But once we step on the court,
I trust that.
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I remember
the very first practice after the trade.
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That practice, which was three hours,
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I remember Jermaine coming up to me
and was like,
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"I don't know
if we've ever practiced this hard."
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And I'm like, "You're right.
I think this is gonna be good."
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Ron was probably
the hardest worker
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that I've ever seen in my life.
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I think he was probably
the most talented defensive player
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that we saw in an entire decade.
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Ron is different.
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But different isn't bad.
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Different is just sometimes unique.
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And Ron was unique in his talents.
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I'd never seen anybody
play as hard as he did.
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He was a force out there.
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Oh!
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When I step onto the court,
I'm just 100% in.
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Bring it to this.
Bring it to this. Bring it to this.
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Test me right here, it don't matter who.
You could be the biggest gangster.
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This is where we go. I'll die here.
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Every team needs a Ron Artest.
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You need a guy
that everyone's a little bit afraid of.
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Hammered out of bounds by Artest.
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Now having words
with Heat assistant coach Keith Askins.
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Wrong guy to pick with is Artest.
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You know, that's, uh, that's who he is.
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Hell of a player,
but he's gotta get that under control.
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He would say to me,
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"Well, that's not fair.
They shouldn't be able to do that."
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I realized he's got
an exaggerated idea of justice.
243
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I just didn't like people.
I always had a chip.
244
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At the time, we had
the best interior defender in Jermaine,
245
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and we had
the best perimeter defender in Ron.
246
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It was poetry in motion
at times when they were on the court.
247
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After I shut you down, if you do beat me,
then Jermaine will shut you down.
248
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We were also loose cannons mentally.
Yeah, me and Jermaine.
249
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Jermaine's a loose cannon,
but he kept it really tight.
250
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We had a lot of the same mentalities.
251
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Dog, hard-nosed, we gonna go get you.
252
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And we just kinda started
blazing through teams.
253
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The Indiana Pacers, they are rolling.
254
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The Indiana Pacers
have the best record in the NBA.
255
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Indiana Pacers,
best team in the league.
256
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Indiana Pacers,
the team to beat in the East right now.
257
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You guys don't understand
how good we were.
258
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We had the best record
in the league the whole year.
259
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Made it to the Eastern Conference Finals.
260
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I look back at it now,
and that was the series that ignited...
261
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everything.
262
00:17:03,053 --> 00:17:04,973
Detroit had incredible talent,
263
00:17:05,053 --> 00:17:07,263
and we knew
it was gonna be a tough scenario.
264
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We were the two best teams,
defensively and offensively.
265
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So I knew whoever won this
was gonna win a championship.
266
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That series, they pushed us to the limit.
267
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In playoff basketball,
268
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the margin of error is this�small.
269
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Everyone has
the physical capabilities. It's...
270
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Whoa!
Hamilton is fouled this time.
271
00:18:04,153 --> 00:18:06,453
Artest may be thrown out of the game,
272
00:18:06,533 --> 00:18:08,703
but it's definitely gonna be a flagrant.
273
00:18:08,783 --> 00:18:10,533
That's just not a good move.
274
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This is a huge play for them.
275
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At this time in the game,
you can't lose your cool.
276
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It's just too crucial.
277
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You can't foul at the wrong time
278
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and give your opponent an advantage.
279
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And for the first time in 14 years,
280
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the Pistons go to the NBA Finals!
281
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They're the 2004
Eastern Conference champions!
282
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We lost game six in Detroit.
283
00:18:38,103 --> 00:18:40,313
It's like somebody
sticking a knife into you.
284
00:18:41,113 --> 00:18:42,193
The flagrant foul
285
00:18:42,693 --> 00:18:46,493
that took place with Ron Artest,
was that the difference in this game?
286
00:18:46,573 --> 00:18:48,743
Well, it certainly had an impact.
287
00:18:49,533 --> 00:18:51,913
You know, it was a tough call.
288
00:18:54,793 --> 00:18:58,043
Yeah, I just put my forearm up,
you know what I'm saying? And, um...
289
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I think, uh...
290
00:19:00,423 --> 00:19:01,463
But the ref saw it.
291
00:19:01,543 --> 00:19:02,883
You know, he was, uh...
292
00:19:02,963 --> 00:19:05,343
Losing to Detroit in the Conference,
I remember.
293
00:19:06,513 --> 00:19:09,343
Yeah. We should've went to the finals.
We should've definitely won.
294
00:19:18,393 --> 00:19:21,193
When we lose that series,
who wins the championship?
295
00:19:21,853 --> 00:19:25,573
The Detroit Pistons
have just shocked the Los Angeles Lakers.
296
00:19:29,403 --> 00:19:31,743
They were mentally tougher than we were.
297
00:19:33,163 --> 00:19:34,413
I'm like, "You guys!"
298
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It was just frustrating.
299
00:19:41,253 --> 00:19:43,463
See you later. Love you.
300
00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:47,553
Get out the garbage!
301
00:19:52,053 --> 00:19:54,803
The next year,
I knew something was wrong, like...
302
00:19:55,553 --> 00:19:59,603
I knew something was definitely wrong
and that I just needed to step back.
303
00:20:00,563 --> 00:20:02,563
I said, "I want my retirement papers,"
304
00:20:03,193 --> 00:20:07,193
and the Pacers said,
"No, you gotta play."
305
00:20:07,273 --> 00:20:10,073
"You're under contract six more years."
306
00:20:10,153 --> 00:20:13,613
I felt like Ronnie was coming out
with something like that every day.
307
00:20:14,203 --> 00:20:15,243
One day he'd say,
308
00:20:15,323 --> 00:20:18,203
"I can't come to practice tomorrow.
I gotta do my music."
309
00:20:18,293 --> 00:20:20,253
As a man,
you gotta be able to do what you want.
310
00:20:20,333 --> 00:20:25,333
So if I decide to wanna leave the game
or take a month off, I'm a grown man.
311
00:20:25,423 --> 00:20:28,883
It doesn't make me crazy, you know,
to wanna do something I wanna do.
312
00:20:28,963 --> 00:20:31,473
If you're asking for time off
at the beginning of the year...
313
00:20:31,973 --> 00:20:34,513
I mean, dude,
we got six and a half months left,
314
00:20:34,593 --> 00:20:36,723
and you're asking for a timeout now?
315
00:20:37,893 --> 00:20:40,273
I still got my album coming out
November 23rd,
316
00:20:40,813 --> 00:20:43,643
and after the album comes out,
I'm gonna, uh,
317
00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:47,233
you know, make sure all my time
is focused on winning the championship.
318
00:20:47,313 --> 00:20:49,443
I had so much anxiety all the time.
319
00:20:52,073 --> 00:20:53,703
You get that heart pumping.
320
00:20:54,243 --> 00:20:58,453
It was something I couldn't control
at that time. It was every day. Every day.
321
00:21:01,333 --> 00:21:05,173
So, I was like,�"I really do need
to try to figure out what's wrong."
322
00:21:05,253 --> 00:21:08,293
"Why are you not happy
around basketball and your teammates?"
323
00:21:08,793 --> 00:21:12,013
"Why are you not happy?
Figure it out, figure it out."
324
00:21:13,053 --> 00:21:16,343
I was already in therapy,
but you don't get better overnight.
325
00:21:17,433 --> 00:21:21,683
You know, we knew he had a psychiatrist
that... that traveled everywhere we went.
326
00:21:22,773 --> 00:21:25,773
We knew he had sessions
that he had to have with her.
327
00:21:25,853 --> 00:21:26,983
We knew that much,
328
00:21:27,563 --> 00:21:33,153
but we were never, ever, you know,
told that he had a certain issue,
329
00:21:33,243 --> 00:21:34,243
medical issue.
330
00:21:34,323 --> 00:21:36,413
I had depression and anxiety.
331
00:21:36,493 --> 00:21:40,453
I would be depressed about certain things
and have anxiety about future things.
332
00:21:40,533 --> 00:21:43,623
Some people have control
over their emotions. I don't.
333
00:21:44,373 --> 00:21:47,963
If really I'm excited, happy,
I've just dunked on somebody, game-winner,
334
00:21:49,003 --> 00:21:51,383
that emotional level
is not a good place for me.
335
00:21:51,463 --> 00:21:54,463
Positively or negatively,
you have no control of that.
336
00:21:54,553 --> 00:21:56,593
Come on! The fuck you all doing?
337
00:21:57,883 --> 00:22:00,223
I'm not gonna do this with you!
Come on, my nigga!
338
00:22:00,303 --> 00:22:02,433
Get your motherfucking security right!
339
00:22:02,513 --> 00:22:03,973
We got a fight back here.
340
00:22:05,143 --> 00:22:06,353
You gotta chill.
341
00:22:06,853 --> 00:22:10,153
At times, Ron could be a little edgy.
342
00:22:10,233 --> 00:22:15,113
And the dynamic
between Jermaine and Ron was unsettling.
343
00:22:16,823 --> 00:22:18,203
I think the final straw for us
344
00:22:18,283 --> 00:22:20,493
was when he said
he had a death in his family
345
00:22:20,573 --> 00:22:21,993
and went to the Source Awards.
346
00:22:22,083 --> 00:22:24,873
Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome the Tru Warier
347
00:22:24,953 --> 00:22:28,673
Ron Artest and Petey Pablo!
348
00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:32,043
You were saying
you were going away for a funeral,
349
00:22:32,093 --> 00:22:34,003
then three or four days later,
350
00:22:34,093 --> 00:22:38,053
we turn the TV on and you're presenting
an award at an award show,
351
00:22:38,133 --> 00:22:40,053
and we ain't seen you
in three or four days.
352
00:22:40,143 --> 00:22:41,263
And the winner is...
353
00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:44,263
I don't know what I'm doing up here.
It's all good though.
354
00:22:44,773 --> 00:22:46,773
I felt I was trying to escape.
355
00:22:46,853 --> 00:22:50,063
I was trying to find any way to escape.
Definitely.
356
00:22:50,153 --> 00:22:52,813
I'm not gonna answer
any more questions about Ron.
357
00:22:52,903 --> 00:22:55,613
Ron doesn't wanna be here.
Ron doesn't matter anymore.
358
00:22:55,693 --> 00:22:58,493
It's about the Pacers,
the players that suit up every single day.
359
00:22:58,573 --> 00:23:01,533
I'm tired of�answering questions
about Ron.
360
00:23:01,623 --> 00:23:03,533
I'm pleading with these guys.
361
00:23:03,623 --> 00:23:05,413
"Get on the same page!"
362
00:23:06,953 --> 00:23:10,123
I could not get them
to understand the opportunity.
363
00:23:12,293 --> 00:23:14,003
I never listened to Reggie.
364
00:23:14,093 --> 00:23:18,223
So any time he's, like,
giving me leadership and�mentorship,
365
00:23:18,843 --> 00:23:21,263
I'm thinking, "Bust his ass in practice."
366
00:23:23,723 --> 00:23:26,013
I know that we're putting together
367
00:23:26,603 --> 00:23:31,233
young guys who could rub each other wrong,
368
00:23:31,313 --> 00:23:33,983
but, you know, I really wanted to win,
369
00:23:34,063 --> 00:23:36,983
and I was looking
for one final piece of the team.
370
00:23:38,653 --> 00:23:40,903
And that's why
I made the trade for Stephen.
371
00:23:50,713 --> 00:23:53,583
I remember getting that call
from Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird.
372
00:23:53,673 --> 00:23:56,503
I had to put 'em on speakerphone
'cause I'm on the block.
373
00:23:56,593 --> 00:23:58,923
I'm on 3200 with all my homeboys.
374
00:24:00,593 --> 00:24:02,803
"Welcome to the Indiana Pacers,"
duh-duh-duh.
375
00:24:02,883 --> 00:24:04,803
You know, it was a great moment.
376
00:24:04,893 --> 00:24:07,293
When he said, "Welcome to..."
all my homeboys get to running.
377
00:24:07,353 --> 00:24:08,183
Just, "Oh!"
378
00:24:08,273 --> 00:24:11,273
And I knew the opportunity was...
was priceless.
379
00:24:11,353 --> 00:24:12,853
When Stephen came,
380
00:24:12,943 --> 00:24:17,023
it was the best thing for us,
because now we got Jermaine, Ron,
381
00:24:17,113 --> 00:24:21,153
and now you're bringing in another tough,
somewhat crazy dude in Stephen Jackson.
382
00:24:21,243 --> 00:24:23,823
Everything has to come through Indiana.
There's no secret.
383
00:24:23,913 --> 00:24:26,453
They gotta come through us
to get to where they wanna be.
384
00:24:26,533 --> 00:24:28,743
And I-I-I think we're the team to beat.
385
00:24:28,833 --> 00:24:31,163
We have all the pieces.
We gotta put 'em together.
386
00:24:31,253 --> 00:24:32,663
A challenge you relish.
387
00:24:32,753 --> 00:24:35,543
Yeah. I'm ready for a challenge.
That's what I live for.
388
00:24:35,633 --> 00:24:37,023
I make love to pressure.
389
00:24:37,043 --> 00:24:37,923
That's what I do.
390
00:24:38,003 --> 00:24:41,093
Me and him was, like,
we both kinda street.
391
00:24:41,173 --> 00:24:44,263
So we're arguing
about who's gonna guard the best guy,
392
00:24:44,343 --> 00:24:46,013
like, almost come to blows.
393
00:24:46,763 --> 00:24:48,933
Then I'm like,
"All right, Steve, you got it."
394
00:24:49,013 --> 00:24:50,973
So I'm like, "This guy is crazy!"
395
00:24:51,063 --> 00:24:54,523
We got a lot of similarities,
but we're totally different.
396
00:24:54,603 --> 00:24:57,023
I knew he was a little off.
You know what I mean?
397
00:24:57,113 --> 00:24:59,863
But he was a hell of a basketball player.
398
00:24:59,943 --> 00:25:02,613
And that's all...
I didn't judge nothing else but that.
399
00:25:02,693 --> 00:25:05,913
I didn't care. I was weird.
I did my own thing. I smoked weed all day.
400
00:25:05,993 --> 00:25:08,583
Guys like me and Ron,
we look at basketball as our life.
401
00:25:08,663 --> 00:25:11,203
This is all we can do.
God gave me this gift to help my family,
402
00:25:11,293 --> 00:25:12,873
to get�out of the situation I was in.
403
00:25:15,213 --> 00:25:18,923
Jack is a very aggressive person.
We have a lot of similar traits.
404
00:25:19,003 --> 00:25:22,593
He would turn that volume up very quickly
and tell you about it.
405
00:25:23,173 --> 00:25:25,093
He's down for the cause.
406
00:25:25,183 --> 00:25:29,473
I'm a loyal guy. Like, one thing about it.
If I'm with you, I'm with you, you know.
407
00:25:30,063 --> 00:25:33,143
We shoot this, and we go to a bar
afterwards, somebody say something,
408
00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:35,523
I'll be the first one to stand up.
That's how I am.
409
00:25:35,603 --> 00:25:36,943
If I'm with you, I'm with you.
410
00:25:37,563 --> 00:25:38,813
I was the missing piece.
411
00:25:39,563 --> 00:25:41,153
That's basically what they were saying.
412
00:25:41,233 --> 00:25:43,693
I was the missing piece
to the championship team.
413
00:25:43,783 --> 00:25:46,783
There's only a handful of teams
that can say,
414
00:25:47,743 --> 00:25:49,453
"We have a shot to win the championship."
415
00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:51,493
Out of my 18 years,
416
00:25:51,583 --> 00:25:53,833
that season, we were loaded for bear.
417
00:25:53,913 --> 00:25:55,123
This was our year.
418
00:25:55,963 --> 00:25:58,723
This is the Showdown
of the East we've been waiting for.
419
00:25:58,753 --> 00:26:02,343
A rivalry that's been brewing
long before this season ever started.
420
00:26:02,423 --> 00:26:05,473
Two teams, similar styles,
only one survivor.
421
00:26:12,143 --> 00:26:15,143
Going into the Palace,
we was already seven and two.
422
00:26:15,983 --> 00:26:18,603
I knew that was the game I wanted
more than any game.
423
00:26:19,653 --> 00:26:21,773
But I didn't know
what was gonna actually happen.
424
00:26:21,863 --> 00:26:23,823
We were coming in there
to make a statement.
425
00:26:23,903 --> 00:26:27,323
"Yeah, y'all got the chip,
but we're letting y'all know
426
00:26:27,863 --> 00:26:30,163
y'all gonna be seeing us this year."
427
00:26:30,243 --> 00:26:31,913
- Where we from?
- Detroit!
428
00:26:31,993 --> 00:26:33,953
- Where we from?
- Detroit!
429
00:26:34,043 --> 00:26:36,163
Detroit was one
of the hardest places to play.
430
00:26:36,253 --> 00:26:37,913
They don't make it easy for you.
431
00:26:40,463 --> 00:26:42,343
Whoo! Yeah!
432
00:26:42,423 --> 00:26:43,963
Yeah!
433
00:26:44,053 --> 00:26:47,263
Obviously, um, you know,
we're facing a tough challenge
434
00:26:47,343 --> 00:26:49,843
going into a... uh, going into the Palace.
435
00:26:50,643 --> 00:26:53,013
They have a rabid fan base.
436
00:26:53,103 --> 00:26:56,933
Very faithful and admiring fans.
437
00:26:57,933 --> 00:26:59,893
Um, and very boisterous at times.
438
00:26:59,983 --> 00:27:04,233
Yeah! Number one, baby! Number one!
439
00:27:04,323 --> 00:27:06,153
Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!
440
00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:09,203
The fans were a huge part
of a lot of the success,
441
00:27:09,283 --> 00:27:13,203
because even though you're on the court,
you can hear those fans going crazy.
442
00:27:13,283 --> 00:27:16,333
When we would come into the gym,
we knew the Pistons were gonna win.
443
00:27:16,413 --> 00:27:18,163
We just didn't know by how much.
444
00:27:23,673 --> 00:27:26,803
Any time you put 20,000 people together
for four or five hours,
445
00:27:26,883 --> 00:27:27,963
and they're drinking,
446
00:27:29,263 --> 00:27:30,263
the stage is set.
447
00:27:30,303 --> 00:27:32,433
Somewhere, somebody's gonna have an issue.
448
00:27:32,513 --> 00:27:35,813
There was a couple of guys that
we were gonna remove their season tickets.
449
00:27:35,893 --> 00:27:38,223
We kinda had enough
of their, uh, shenanigans.
450
00:27:39,103 --> 00:27:42,273
It was a Friday night.
We didn't have to work Saturday,
451
00:27:42,353 --> 00:27:45,443
so it was kinda like, you know,
you kind of enjoyed it more.
452
00:27:45,523 --> 00:27:49,573
Have a few drinks, hang out with friends.
Kinda like treating myself.
453
00:27:49,653 --> 00:27:53,113
Charlie's a fan.
Uh, he was a season ticket holder.
454
00:27:53,203 --> 00:27:56,203
And he had issues that night.
And so, we were...
455
00:27:57,793 --> 00:28:01,253
going to address it with him that we were
taking away his season tickets that night.
456
00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,833
We would normally probably work
the Pistons games
457
00:28:03,923 --> 00:28:05,383
two, three times a month.
458
00:28:05,463 --> 00:28:08,003
On that day,
we were assigned on the east side.
459
00:28:08,093 --> 00:28:11,303
I think we had some rivalry
with Indiana, I think, as well,
460
00:28:11,383 --> 00:28:13,723
and the crowds were pretty charged up.
461
00:28:13,803 --> 00:28:16,473
Everybody in the NBA wants one of these.
462
00:28:16,553 --> 00:28:18,683
This is what they play for,
a championship ring.
463
00:28:18,773 --> 00:28:20,813
I was there
to broadcast the game for ESPN.
464
00:28:20,893 --> 00:28:22,353
Indiana was a terrific team.
465
00:28:22,443 --> 00:28:24,273
They were championship contenders
466
00:28:24,353 --> 00:28:27,323
and may have, at that time,
been the best team in the NBA.
467
00:28:28,863 --> 00:28:30,573
But Detroit was a good team.
468
00:28:31,993 --> 00:28:33,453
They were a really good team.
469
00:28:36,243 --> 00:28:39,043
I had broke my finger,
so I was in a cast.
470
00:28:39,123 --> 00:28:41,253
Stephen was moved to the shooting guard.
471
00:28:41,753 --> 00:28:45,253
I didn't know the magnitude of the rivalry
that I was walking into.
472
00:28:45,333 --> 00:28:48,343
You gotta thing, they was wrestling
with this team all last year
473
00:28:48,423 --> 00:28:51,383
in the Eastern Conference Finals,
about to go to blows.
474
00:28:51,463 --> 00:28:53,633
It was absolutely a statement game for us.
475
00:28:53,723 --> 00:28:55,933
This is our moment,
and let's leave no doubt.
476
00:28:57,643 --> 00:28:59,263
They felt that was their year,
477
00:28:59,353 --> 00:29:01,523
and we felt like
we had to defend our title.
478
00:29:02,393 --> 00:29:04,893
I remember that night.
The Palace was electrifying.
479
00:29:04,983 --> 00:29:05,983
Man, it was...
480
00:29:06,403 --> 00:29:09,153
It was almost like having
an out-of-body experience.
481
00:29:09,233 --> 00:29:11,863
You could feel the hair stand up
on the back of your neck.
482
00:29:17,873 --> 00:29:20,333
Whenever you go
into a nationally televised game,
483
00:29:20,413 --> 00:29:22,413
there's a different roar in the arena.
484
00:29:22,503 --> 00:29:24,833
There's more lights. There's more cameras.
485
00:29:24,913 --> 00:29:28,083
You know, they're real careful
who gets assigned games like that
486
00:29:28,173 --> 00:29:30,753
because they want
not to be embarrassed as a league.
487
00:29:30,843 --> 00:29:33,303
Nobody liked refereeing the Pistons
back then.
488
00:29:33,383 --> 00:29:35,343
You knew you were in for a rough night.
489
00:29:37,093 --> 00:29:40,513
When you have Ben Wallace,
Stephen Jackson, Ron Artest,
490
00:29:40,603 --> 00:29:43,273
I mean, that's just
a recipe for disaster right there.
491
00:29:47,273 --> 00:29:51,983
Basketball fans from around
the great state of Michigan,
492
00:29:52,073 --> 00:29:55,783
and those of you here at the Palace
from across the world,
493
00:29:55,863 --> 00:29:57,823
stay on your feet.
494
00:29:57,913 --> 00:30:02,583
Time to meet and greet the ballers
495
00:30:02,663 --> 00:30:06,793
representing the D... troit Pistons!
496
00:30:06,873 --> 00:30:09,583
They had
the most dynamic announcer. Right?
497
00:30:09,673 --> 00:30:14,343
And it gasses you, where you saying,
"Look, I'm at your ass today, Detroit."
498
00:30:15,633 --> 00:30:22,313
At 6'9", the center,
wearing the big red three,
499
00:30:22,393 --> 00:30:27,893
B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Ben
Wallace!
500
00:30:27,983 --> 00:30:31,153
I remember they did the Ben Wallace
introduction. That got me hyped.
501
00:30:31,233 --> 00:30:34,073
That got me hyped.
Like, "Let's bust they ass. Fuck that."
502
00:30:38,533 --> 00:30:41,283
At the time, I didn't know
Ben Wallace lost his brother.
503
00:30:42,703 --> 00:30:45,083
Having that energy, you know, it was...
504
00:30:46,663 --> 00:30:51,923
I knew I couldn't put that energy
nowhere else but into basketball.
505
00:30:52,753 --> 00:30:54,343
It was like a powder keg.
506
00:30:55,763 --> 00:30:58,323
A fun matchup to watch
during the regular season.
507
00:30:58,343 --> 00:31:00,933
We can only hope
they'll meet again in the playoffs.
508
00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:04,853
Pistons so far perfect at home.
Another packed house at the Palace.
509
00:31:04,933 --> 00:31:08,103
Going into that game,
I thought we could beat Detroit,
510
00:31:08,183 --> 00:31:10,773
and I wanted to see
if this type of team would work.
511
00:31:14,823 --> 00:31:15,823
O'Neal.
512
00:31:16,443 --> 00:31:20,573
Artest steps back...
Oh, what a quarter for Ron Artest.
513
00:31:20,663 --> 00:31:21,873
Four-tenths of a...
514
00:31:21,953 --> 00:31:25,083
Even though at that time I was struggling,
I was playing great.
515
00:31:26,793 --> 00:31:30,043
The game was a beatdown.
We dominated from beginning to end.
516
00:31:30,123 --> 00:31:33,133
Ron dominated. Nobody couldn't stop him.
517
00:31:33,213 --> 00:31:36,003
Two, three, four guards
couldn't guard Ron at the time.
518
00:31:36,093 --> 00:31:39,923
He was too agile. He was definitely
the best player on the court.
519
00:31:40,013 --> 00:31:43,433
We were up double digits,
and my young boys were jawing.
520
00:31:44,013 --> 00:31:46,063
They were clicking.
521
00:31:46,143 --> 00:31:47,933
Ron and Jermaine.
522
00:31:48,023 --> 00:31:50,103
It's good Ron, and it's good Jermaine.
523
00:31:51,233 --> 00:31:52,603
It was fantastic.
524
00:31:57,193 --> 00:31:59,743
This is our moment.
It's our coming-out party.
525
00:31:59,823 --> 00:32:01,913
We came in with a different type of swag.
526
00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:05,873
Stephen's like... he's so clutch.
527
00:32:08,493 --> 00:32:10,873
I'm like,
"Wow, this guy makes every big shot."
528
00:32:11,373 --> 00:32:12,213
"Wow."
529
00:32:15,593 --> 00:32:18,463
We knew right away we was the best team.
530
00:32:20,013 --> 00:32:21,933
We were kicking their ass.
531
00:32:22,593 --> 00:32:25,973
They put a championship team together.
It was obvious.
532
00:32:35,863 --> 00:32:37,823
'Cause we were beating them down,
533
00:32:38,613 --> 00:32:41,193
the normal ticket holders were gone.
534
00:32:41,283 --> 00:32:42,283
They had left.
535
00:32:43,323 --> 00:32:47,783
So it was the people
that were trickling their way down
536
00:32:48,453 --> 00:32:53,503
that were probably already liquored up,
coming on down to fill those seats.
537
00:32:55,083 --> 00:32:58,213
Oh, man, very disrespectful,
like, the way they did it.
538
00:32:58,293 --> 00:33:01,263
The game was almost over.
They had starters out there playing.
539
00:33:01,343 --> 00:33:03,263
They were up by 15, 20 points.
540
00:33:03,973 --> 00:33:06,053
Oh! Wallace with a terrific block!
541
00:33:06,143 --> 00:33:07,353
That's not a foul.
542
00:33:08,973 --> 00:33:12,353
At the end of the game, we're up by 15.
In my mind, the game's over.
543
00:33:13,273 --> 00:33:14,853
Jamaal Tinsley tells Ron,
544
00:33:14,943 --> 00:33:18,233
"You can get your foul now."
Ron looked at him like, "Huh?"
545
00:33:18,313 --> 00:33:19,903
"You can get your foul now."
546
00:33:19,983 --> 00:33:22,993
You got your foul. You can go now, right?
All right?
547
00:33:23,073 --> 00:33:24,823
Why are you even telling him that?
548
00:33:25,663 --> 00:33:28,493
Ron doesn't need a battery in his back
to do something crazy.
549
00:33:28,573 --> 00:33:30,913
Artest with 24, O'Neal at 20,
550
00:33:31,413 --> 00:33:33,583
Croshere 15, Tinsley 13.
551
00:33:33,663 --> 00:33:36,043
As we're running back, I guard Ben.
552
00:33:36,123 --> 00:33:39,173
When they throw him the ball,
I'm not gonna try to play defense on him.
553
00:33:39,253 --> 00:33:41,003
I'm not even gonna try to foul him.
554
00:33:41,843 --> 00:33:44,223
- He was going for a layup.
- Oh!
555
00:33:44,303 --> 00:33:46,883
I didn't want him to get the layup,
so I pushed him.
556
00:33:46,973 --> 00:33:51,013
It was too hard of a foul
at that point in time during the game.
557
00:33:54,853 --> 00:33:57,193
Oh, Wallace! Right at�Artest!
558
00:33:57,273 --> 00:34:00,573
This has potential to be serious
if they don't get between them.
559
00:34:00,653 --> 00:34:04,113
Wallace upset.
Players trying to hold each other off.
560
00:34:04,943 --> 00:34:07,783
Stephen Jackson, and we see Wallace
trying to be peacemaker.
561
00:34:07,863 --> 00:34:09,033
Now Jackson yelling...
562
00:34:09,533 --> 00:34:12,163
The dust-up
I have no problem with.
563
00:34:12,793 --> 00:34:15,663
That happens all the time.
The pushing, the shoving...
564
00:34:15,753 --> 00:34:17,423
You know, that's all fake.
565
00:34:17,503 --> 00:34:19,883
Most of the time,
nobody in the NBA wanna fight.
566
00:34:19,963 --> 00:34:22,923
It has to be real disrespectful shit
for somebody to throw punches.
567
00:34:23,003 --> 00:34:24,713
...in here to get him away.
568
00:34:26,343 --> 00:34:27,803
Where it all turned
569
00:34:28,973 --> 00:34:32,723
is when Ron went
and laid on the scorer's table.
570
00:34:37,853 --> 00:34:39,943
Went over and laid down,
which is not normal.
571
00:34:40,023 --> 00:34:42,233
It's not normal
to lay down on the scorer's table.
572
00:34:42,323 --> 00:34:44,283
That's crazy, too, you know?
573
00:34:44,363 --> 00:34:48,453
That's... That's...
That's almost worse than the foul.
574
00:34:51,283 --> 00:34:54,663
I was already in therapy.
So I was practicing in real time.
575
00:34:55,203 --> 00:34:57,003
One thing was take five, right?
576
00:34:57,083 --> 00:34:59,963
So if something happens,
you're like, "One, two, three..."
577
00:35:00,043 --> 00:35:03,503
Before you do anything, just count,
'cause then you get more time to think.
578
00:35:07,923 --> 00:35:09,513
My team was all around me.
579
00:35:11,593 --> 00:35:14,473
It was funny
'cause I felt like I was a big dog, like...
580
00:35:15,393 --> 00:35:17,433
I did feel like my team got...
581
00:35:17,523 --> 00:35:18,643
I know my team,
582
00:35:19,353 --> 00:35:24,573
so I know, like, Jermaine's not gonna
just let Ben come over and touch me.
583
00:35:24,653 --> 00:35:28,113
I know that for a fact.
Like, I got Steve Jackson.
584
00:35:28,783 --> 00:35:32,743
I'm like, "All right, Cool.
I don't need to do nothing. I'm fine."
585
00:35:35,493 --> 00:35:37,203
Wallace is still charged up.
586
00:35:37,293 --> 00:35:40,163
Now, Wallace, I would assume,
has been ejected.
587
00:35:41,123 --> 00:35:44,843
Ben wore, like, 10,000 armbands
and headbands and wrist bands,
588
00:35:44,923 --> 00:35:46,923
and he started throwing things.
589
00:35:56,563 --> 00:35:58,893
Saw him throwing
the headband and the wristbands.
590
00:35:58,983 --> 00:36:00,983
He definitely was losing his temper.
591
00:36:04,483 --> 00:36:09,493
The fans don't know
the majority of us are actually friends,
592
00:36:09,573 --> 00:36:12,743
so they think
that this is a real street brawl scenario.
593
00:36:16,283 --> 00:36:18,743
So however you react, they're gonna react.
594
00:36:18,833 --> 00:36:21,213
If you do this,
what do you think they gonna do?
595
00:36:21,913 --> 00:36:24,173
If you do this,
what do you think they gonna do?
596
00:36:25,463 --> 00:36:27,383
The crowd feeds off the players.
597
00:36:28,673 --> 00:36:30,133
Out of the corner of my eye,
598
00:36:31,883 --> 00:36:32,933
I see it coming.
599
00:36:36,223 --> 00:36:38,563
Super slo-mo. Like, it just...
600
00:36:40,183 --> 00:36:43,273
It just... Everybody was supposed to see it.
That's how slow it went.
601
00:36:48,363 --> 00:36:49,363
Bam!
602
00:36:50,483 --> 00:36:53,203
Now Artest
has jumped over the scorer's table
603
00:36:53,283 --> 00:36:55,363
and is trying to get down to the bench!
604
00:36:55,913 --> 00:36:57,953
Artest is in the stands!
605
00:36:58,623 --> 00:37:00,793
Oh, this is awful.
Fans are getting involved.
606
00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:02,663
Once I saw him go, I went.
607
00:37:02,753 --> 00:37:04,213
He needed aid.
608
00:37:04,293 --> 00:37:08,093
As I get to him, another beer is thrown
in his face. And that's the guy I...
609
00:37:08,673 --> 00:37:10,713
Stephen Jackson's in the fans.
610
00:37:11,463 --> 00:37:14,633
The security trying
to somehow restore order.
611
00:37:14,723 --> 00:37:18,893
Fans and players are going at it!
The players trying to help each other out!
612
00:37:18,973 --> 00:37:21,273
Rasheed Wallace going into the stands!
613
00:37:24,733 --> 00:37:26,403
This is a disgrace.
614
00:37:29,363 --> 00:37:32,863
All the players, they're jumping in there
to try and get the other players out
615
00:37:32,943 --> 00:37:34,863
because the fans have become involved.
616
00:37:40,953 --> 00:37:43,873
Oh, what a sad scene here at the Palace.
617
00:37:43,963 --> 00:37:46,673
Walking down the stands,
I'm thinking, "It's good."
618
00:37:46,753 --> 00:37:49,463
I didn't think anything else
was gonna happen at all.
619
00:37:49,543 --> 00:37:51,133
I thought it was gonna be over.
620
00:37:52,423 --> 00:37:55,553
I just stopped and paused,
and I just started looking.
621
00:37:56,343 --> 00:37:57,893
"Where is the security at?"
622
00:37:59,763 --> 00:38:02,603
There was no police.
I didn't see a policeman in the building.
623
00:38:02,683 --> 00:38:05,853
I didn't see any security.
There was nobody there to stop this.
624
00:38:06,483 --> 00:38:10,233
Everybody was everywhere.
I mean, it was just like a melee.
625
00:38:10,313 --> 00:38:12,533
And then,
they were pushing us towards the exit.
626
00:38:12,613 --> 00:38:14,573
Somehow, I got on the court.
627
00:38:17,203 --> 00:38:20,033
I remember being shocked,
like I'd seen an alien, like...
628
00:38:20,993 --> 00:38:24,203
"This guy, uh,
coming to the court to fight?"
629
00:38:24,293 --> 00:38:26,373
'Cause at that point, I'm fed up.
630
00:38:26,463 --> 00:38:29,333
I'm trying not to fight,
but these guys are giving me a reason...
631
00:38:29,423 --> 00:38:30,423
This is my comfort zone.
632
00:38:30,503 --> 00:38:33,713
You wouldn't in your right mind walk down
on the court and think it's a good idea
633
00:38:33,803 --> 00:38:35,973
to take on Ron Artest
after he's been in the stands.
634
00:38:37,473 --> 00:38:40,143
Oh, what a sad scene here at the Palace.
635
00:38:41,183 --> 00:38:42,983
Now another fight's breaking out
636
00:38:43,013 --> 00:38:44,523
in front of the Pistons bench.
637
00:38:45,473 --> 00:38:46,523
It's a fan.
638
00:38:46,603 --> 00:38:48,943
This is very, very dangerous.
639
00:38:50,563 --> 00:38:51,693
Fans are throwing...
640
00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:57,493
I didn't see him coming at all.
Sucker punched me.
641
00:38:58,033 --> 00:38:59,823
You know, quite a...
642
00:39:01,873 --> 00:39:03,203
bitch move, tell you the truth.
643
00:39:03,283 --> 00:39:06,953
I just all-out sprint over there
to try to help him.
644
00:39:09,173 --> 00:39:10,963
He slipped. Thank God.
645
00:39:12,253 --> 00:39:15,633
It was the best miss of Jermaine's career.
646
00:39:20,973 --> 00:39:23,513
'Cause if Jemaine would've connected
on that punch...
647
00:39:27,483 --> 00:39:28,793
...that fan would have been dead.
648
00:39:28,813 --> 00:39:30,693
...now onto the court.
649
00:39:32,023 --> 00:39:35,483
Ron Artest has a look in his eye
that's very scary right now.
650
00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:40,403
The scariest moment was�once I realized
how out of control this got
651
00:39:40,493 --> 00:39:41,953
and how much further it's gonna go.
652
00:40:00,763 --> 00:40:03,143
At the time,
we had three officers on the court.
653
00:40:03,223 --> 00:40:05,643
Not the best odds against 20,000 people.
654
00:40:06,433 --> 00:40:07,603
It was out of control.
655
00:40:07,683 --> 00:40:11,103
That's why the decision was
we need to get the players off the court.
656
00:40:11,193 --> 00:40:14,113
If we get them off the court,
the fans will calm down.
657
00:40:15,733 --> 00:40:18,443
An officer runs up
from behind me,
658
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:20,863
and he has his mace thing out,
659
00:40:21,863 --> 00:40:24,993
and he's getting ready to mace Ron.
660
00:40:31,163 --> 00:40:34,793
I had no intention of spraying Ron�Artest.
He was already down on the floor.
661
00:40:34,883 --> 00:40:36,463
He had... He looked wore out.
662
00:40:36,543 --> 00:40:39,343
At some point,
I ran across Reggie Miller in a suit.
663
00:40:39,423 --> 00:40:42,683
And I... At the time, I didn't know
he was Reggie Miller or a player
664
00:40:42,763 --> 00:40:45,223
'cause he was in a suit.
I'm asking him what is he doing.
665
00:40:45,303 --> 00:40:47,893
How you not know
Reggie Miller's on the Indiana Pacers?
666
00:40:52,893 --> 00:40:55,273
I grabbed the officer.
Like, "What are you doing?"
667
00:40:55,353 --> 00:40:59,573
I was like, "Go get all these people
off the court. Don't be macing him."
668
00:41:03,113 --> 00:41:05,363
That's when I really got pissed off.
669
00:41:05,453 --> 00:41:09,453
Like, y'all are not trying to help us.
It's really 15 against 30,000.
670
00:41:10,243 --> 00:41:13,413
They're trying to get
the Pacers to go back to the locker room.
671
00:41:15,123 --> 00:41:17,923
We all grab Ron,
and we start to run.
672
00:41:20,303 --> 00:41:23,133
You see everybody merge
to one area.
673
00:41:24,183 --> 00:41:26,843
And they throwing everything
they can get their hands on.
674
00:41:37,773 --> 00:41:41,983
Now these ridiculous fans
trying to go at the players and throwing...
675
00:41:43,153 --> 00:41:45,243
Somebody could really get hurt.
676
00:41:47,453 --> 00:41:50,333
This is a bad showing
from the Pistons fans.
677
00:41:51,543 --> 00:41:54,083
Just firing bottles from the stairs.
678
00:41:54,163 --> 00:41:55,543
All right, I'm good.
679
00:41:57,003 --> 00:41:59,923
- I can walk! I can walk!
- Okay!
680
00:42:01,713 --> 00:42:02,963
We ride together, fam!
681
00:42:06,843 --> 00:42:09,053
I remember saying to the camera,
"We ride together."
682
00:42:09,143 --> 00:42:11,723
We gonna always ride together.
That was my attitude.
683
00:42:11,813 --> 00:42:14,233
I was happy that I helped my brother down.
684
00:42:14,313 --> 00:42:16,643
I was happy
I was able to come to my brother's aid.
685
00:42:16,733 --> 00:42:18,903
You can see that in my face
in the locker room.
686
00:42:18,983 --> 00:42:22,193
I was happy with what we did.
I was there for my brother. Yes!
687
00:42:22,273 --> 00:42:24,863
- Tell me your name, sir.
- Charlie Haddad.
688
00:42:24,943 --> 00:42:28,743
He hit me in the face. I'm still hurt.
I need X-rays on my whole face.
689
00:42:28,823 --> 00:42:30,373
I don't even know what's going on.
690
00:42:30,453 --> 00:42:32,163
You gotta stop, you gotta stop.
691
00:42:32,243 --> 00:42:34,413
Take it outside.
You can't be in here.
692
00:42:35,753 --> 00:42:38,923
After I get hit, we left
and went through a different room,
693
00:42:39,003 --> 00:42:40,673
like they were protecting me.
694
00:42:40,753 --> 00:42:43,093
They started bringing people
into my office.
695
00:42:43,173 --> 00:42:45,053
A couple of them were like,
"This would be funny
696
00:42:45,133 --> 00:42:48,223
if one of us, you know,
hurt ourselves and we can sue."
697
00:42:58,103 --> 00:43:01,693
I remember looking. I see people rocking
chairs, trying to get the chairs loose.
698
00:43:06,693 --> 00:43:08,783
The arena closed in on us very quick.
699
00:43:08,863 --> 00:43:11,623
The crowd was getting
a little bit, um, out of control.
700
00:43:11,703 --> 00:43:13,783
Somebody easily could grab your weapon.
701
00:43:18,213 --> 00:43:21,173
Then, all of a sudden,
I saw the chair up in the air.
702
00:43:24,043 --> 00:43:27,423
People were trying to hurt me and others.
703
00:43:27,513 --> 00:43:30,093
It was just a horrible, horrible scene.
704
00:44:20,233 --> 00:44:22,653
We get to the locker room,
and slowly but surely,
705
00:44:22,733 --> 00:44:27,073
everyone was starting to filter in
with their own stories.
706
00:44:27,153 --> 00:44:30,073
The whole time, I'm like,
"Jermaine is gonna kick my butt."
707
00:44:30,153 --> 00:44:31,153
The whole time.
708
00:44:31,703 --> 00:44:33,073
I didn't wanna see him.
709
00:44:33,953 --> 00:44:37,703
I knew he was gonna be pissed.
It's all about winning for Jermaine.
710
00:44:37,793 --> 00:44:43,173
Ron, uh, leans over to me and asks me,
"Are we gonna get in trouble?"
711
00:44:45,963 --> 00:44:47,093
Said, "What you mean?"
712
00:44:47,713 --> 00:44:48,843
I just lost it.
713
00:44:49,553 --> 00:44:51,843
He charged Ron,
and we end up breaking it up.
714
00:44:53,763 --> 00:44:58,433
I just needed confirmation
that it was kinda, like, over.
715
00:44:59,933 --> 00:45:00,933
Yeah.
716
00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:05,733
Then the police comes in
and trying to grab me to take me to jail.
717
00:45:07,523 --> 00:45:09,983
And I'm still...
Again, I'm on survival mode.
718
00:45:10,073 --> 00:45:13,113
I'm like, "Look, I'm not going with you."
719
00:45:13,903 --> 00:45:17,163
"I am getting on this bus
and getting on that plane,
720
00:45:17,243 --> 00:45:18,663
and I'm going home."
721
00:45:18,743 --> 00:45:20,163
"Reach out to my lawyers."
722
00:45:23,503 --> 00:45:27,753
The NBA and some of its fans achieved
a new level of outrageousness last night.
723
00:45:27,843 --> 00:45:32,053
A fight broke out between the Pacer team
and the fans in the stands.
724
00:45:32,133 --> 00:45:35,303
...disgraceful brawl
at the Pacers-Pistons game in Detroit
725
00:45:35,383 --> 00:45:39,643
may be the ugliest act of pure hooliganism
in US sports history.
726
00:45:39,723 --> 00:45:41,973
Everybody talked about it.
Every show talked about it.
727
00:45:42,063 --> 00:45:44,233
ESPN played it every five minutes.
728
00:45:44,773 --> 00:45:49,363
It wasn't a brawl in Detroit Friday night.
It was a full-scale riot
729
00:45:49,443 --> 00:45:52,153
and one of the ugliest incidents
of player-fan violence
730
00:45:52,233 --> 00:45:53,693
we've ever seen in this country.
731
00:45:53,783 --> 00:45:56,453
The players,
paid gazillions of dollars here,
732
00:45:56,533 --> 00:45:58,993
these are guys
who have never had to follow the rules.
733
00:45:59,073 --> 00:46:02,493
They violated the number-one rule
for any professional athlete,
734
00:46:02,583 --> 00:46:05,713
and that is no matter what is said,
no matter what is thrown at you,
735
00:46:05,793 --> 00:46:07,713
you don't go into the stands.
736
00:46:08,293 --> 00:46:09,923
The narrative had changed.
737
00:46:10,463 --> 00:46:13,213
It was all about us, the players.
738
00:46:13,303 --> 00:46:18,223
Ron, Steve, JO, it's their fault.
They were being thugs, acting out of line.
739
00:46:18,893 --> 00:46:21,643
Like, all of a sudden, my character
740
00:46:22,563 --> 00:46:23,643
is in question.
741
00:46:24,853 --> 00:46:27,733
It wasn't�just the amount of people
that were saying it.
742
00:46:27,813 --> 00:46:30,773
It was the stature of the people
who were saying it.
743
00:46:30,863 --> 00:46:34,863
And it's tough to argue the certain thug
mentality hasn't crept into basketball.
744
00:46:34,943 --> 00:46:39,323
The thug image is there
until somebody excises it from the league.
745
00:46:39,413 --> 00:46:42,453
"These are thugs."
Literally, that's the word that he used.
746
00:46:42,533 --> 00:46:45,373
Everybody else signing off.
"Yeah, it's rap music..."
747
00:46:45,453 --> 00:46:46,963
Well, they're not saying that
748
00:46:47,043 --> 00:46:51,253
when hockey is beating the hell
out of each other for decades.
749
00:46:51,343 --> 00:46:54,923
The NBA says
it's fighting a bad boy image.
750
00:46:55,013 --> 00:46:56,843
The tattoos, the fights, the drug busts.
751
00:46:56,923 --> 00:47:01,433
Are the media helping the NBA market this
as a kind of in-your-face, hip-hop sport?
752
00:47:01,513 --> 00:47:03,603
The hip-hop generation of players
753
00:47:03,683 --> 00:47:06,023
seeming to some
more estranged from the fans
754
00:47:06,103 --> 00:47:08,693
than the Magics and the Michaels
that preceded them.
755
00:47:08,773 --> 00:47:10,443
The dress code was immediate.
756
00:47:14,193 --> 00:47:17,613
It's the old famous saying. "Should have
never gave them niggas no money."
757
00:47:17,693 --> 00:47:20,953
There is real resentment
against some of today's major players.
758
00:47:21,033 --> 00:47:23,583
Many of the fans
consider them to be overpaid,
759
00:47:23,663 --> 00:47:27,253
underperforming, overly coddled,
and immature.
760
00:47:27,333 --> 00:47:31,713
Players have not learned how to...
how to act, in many cases,
761
00:47:31,793 --> 00:47:34,133
within a civilized, normal society.
762
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:36,963
Television was putting pressure
on our league to say, "Hey, look,
763
00:47:37,053 --> 00:47:40,133
these guys are... are hoodlums,
these guys are out of control,
764
00:47:40,223 --> 00:47:41,843
these guys are this and that."
765
00:47:41,933 --> 00:47:45,563
The visual of NBA players
going into the stands and fighting
766
00:47:46,853 --> 00:47:50,023
goes around the world.
You have to stop that immediately.
767
00:47:50,103 --> 00:47:52,863
The NBA has been under heat
for a number of years
768
00:47:52,943 --> 00:47:54,193
and clearly has been hurt
769
00:47:54,273 --> 00:47:56,613
by this impression
a lot of its players give
770
00:47:56,693 --> 00:47:59,153
that they are, uh, gangster wannabes
771
00:47:59,243 --> 00:48:01,783
or, in some few cases, actual felons.
772
00:48:01,863 --> 00:48:05,333
Pressure on the NBA to clean up its ranks,
773
00:48:05,413 --> 00:48:08,333
send a message
that these guys are not a bunch of thugs.
774
00:48:08,413 --> 00:48:11,333
It's going to be real interesting
to see what the league does.
775
00:48:11,423 --> 00:48:14,003
This is the type of publicity
they can't afford.
776
00:48:14,083 --> 00:48:17,713
Don't you think it's important
the NBA has to send a message...
777
00:48:17,803 --> 00:48:20,013
- A message will be sent.
- ...send the strongest...
778
00:48:20,093 --> 00:48:22,733
- ...possible message...
- ...to make sure it doesn't happen again.
779
00:48:27,563 --> 00:48:30,813
Today, I announce
the, uh, following suspensions,
780
00:48:30,893 --> 00:48:33,273
uh, resulting from the actions
781
00:48:33,353 --> 00:48:36,023
at the Indiana Pacers
and Detroit Pistons game
782
00:48:36,113 --> 00:48:37,483
on November 19th.
783
00:48:38,733 --> 00:48:43,113
Uh, Indiana's Ron�Artest has been
suspended for the remainder of the season.
784
00:48:45,203 --> 00:48:48,623
Indiana's Stephen Jackson
has been suspended for 30 games.
785
00:48:50,083 --> 00:48:54,503
Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal
has been suspended for 25 games.
786
00:48:55,463 --> 00:48:58,133
The NBA has handed out
unprecedented punishments
787
00:48:58,213 --> 00:49:00,713
to the players�involved
in Friday night's basketball game.
788
00:49:00,803 --> 00:49:03,763
John, this may be
unprecedented punishment.
789
00:49:03,843 --> 00:49:05,393
The NBA just announcing
790
00:49:05,473 --> 00:49:07,473
that Ron Artest has been suspended
791
00:49:07,553 --> 00:49:08,933
for the rest of the season.
792
00:49:09,013 --> 00:49:11,523
David Stern
was basically telling everyone,
793
00:49:11,603 --> 00:49:12,853
players and fans alike,
794
00:49:12,943 --> 00:49:16,403
"This will not be tolerated. An incident
like this will not be tolerated again."
795
00:49:16,483 --> 00:49:20,443
Not one time have I thought
that I shouldn't be punished.
796
00:49:21,033 --> 00:49:24,703
But to 25 games? I ain't okay with that,
because everything I did,
797
00:49:26,113 --> 00:49:27,623
I had to do in protection.
798
00:49:27,703 --> 00:49:30,453
I wish I could have been interviewed
right after,
799
00:49:30,543 --> 00:49:33,623
'cause then people could have been like,
"He's right," "He's wrong."
800
00:49:33,713 --> 00:49:37,173
There could have been way more opinions,
but the opinion was only on the film
801
00:49:37,883 --> 00:49:40,213
and the suspension,
and we had to be quiet.
802
00:49:40,303 --> 00:49:43,673
I never had a conversation
with David Stern about it.
803
00:49:43,763 --> 00:49:45,843
The narrative was based on an edited...
804
00:49:47,593 --> 00:49:49,013
conclusion on ESPN.
805
00:49:50,973 --> 00:49:53,933
Not even a fair trial of what it was.
806
00:49:54,023 --> 00:49:59,943
Commissioner Stern has wide power
in this situation, you know.
807
00:50:00,023 --> 00:50:02,903
Usually, in light of situations
where something like that occurs,
808
00:50:02,993 --> 00:50:05,783
you have a situation
where an independent arbitrator comes in
809
00:50:05,863 --> 00:50:08,033
and negotiates between the two sides
810
00:50:08,123 --> 00:50:11,243
to reach a... reach an agreement
on some kind of punishment.
811
00:50:11,333 --> 00:50:14,503
But since this was an on-court issue,
812
00:50:14,583 --> 00:50:18,293
the third arbitrator is...
There is no third arbitrator.
813
00:50:18,383 --> 00:50:21,253
It is Commissioner David Stern.
It comes to his doorstep.
814
00:50:21,343 --> 00:50:22,343
He's the final word.
815
00:50:22,423 --> 00:50:24,943
- It'll be interesting to see...
- Such a deal. I like that deal.
816
00:50:24,973 --> 00:50:26,513
You get to call the shots.
817
00:50:26,593 --> 00:50:28,343
- You get to review the shots.
- Exactly.
818
00:50:28,433 --> 00:50:31,893
The decision to suspend Artest
for the entire season, was that unanimous?
819
00:50:31,973 --> 00:50:33,353
- It was.
- Why?
820
00:50:33,433 --> 00:50:34,643
It was unanimous.
821
00:50:37,393 --> 00:50:38,393
One-nothing.
822
00:50:40,983 --> 00:50:44,033
It seemed at first,
this was a complex situation,
823
00:50:44,113 --> 00:50:47,493
but then it suddenly became
very black-and-white.
824
00:50:47,573 --> 00:50:48,913
What do you think changed?
825
00:50:48,993 --> 00:50:51,673
- You know why it changed, right?
- Why did it change?
826
00:50:51,743 --> 00:50:53,663
- Do you know why it changed?
- No.
827
00:50:54,163 --> 00:50:55,963
- You don't know why?
- I don't.
828
00:50:56,543 --> 00:50:58,043
Who got the suspensions?
829
00:50:58,963 --> 00:51:01,253
- Players.
- Who took over this process?
830
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:02,923
- Stern.
- There you go.
831
00:51:03,003 --> 00:51:07,053
The NBA is very cognizant of the fact
that you don't wanna alienate any fans
832
00:51:07,133 --> 00:51:09,053
because they're the ones
that pay your bills.
833
00:51:09,133 --> 00:51:11,683
They want to blame us to save the league.
834
00:51:11,763 --> 00:51:13,763
They didn't wanna put it on the fans.
835
00:51:13,853 --> 00:51:16,603
You're sitting,
watching people throw darts.
836
00:51:20,193 --> 00:51:21,813
And you can't say nothing.
837
00:51:21,903 --> 00:51:24,153
I think the narrative
is slightly different
838
00:51:24,233 --> 00:51:26,943
if they see all the footage.
839
00:51:28,243 --> 00:51:32,743
I don't mind taking blame,
but I also would like the story out there.
840
00:51:32,823 --> 00:51:34,793
Like, what happened? Go frame by frame.
841
00:51:49,473 --> 00:51:52,933
I'd like to introduce David Gorcyca,
the Oakland County prosecutor.
842
00:51:54,053 --> 00:51:56,813
The NBA
was worried about their perception.
843
00:51:56,893 --> 00:51:59,103
Their image was... was tarnished,
844
00:51:59,183 --> 00:52:02,603
and the severity of the sanctions
and suspensions was...
845
00:52:03,273 --> 00:52:04,363
was pretty harsh.
846
00:52:04,983 --> 00:52:09,153
I think they wanted me to send a message
to these millionaire-type bullies
847
00:52:09,243 --> 00:52:10,993
that, "Hey, you can't be doing that."
848
00:52:11,073 --> 00:52:13,203
But my job was to look at the facts
849
00:52:13,283 --> 00:52:15,873
and decide
what the appropriate charges are.
850
00:52:15,953 --> 00:52:20,963
Everyone involved in this altercation
will be held accountable,
851
00:52:21,043 --> 00:52:24,293
regardless of their status
as a player or a fan.
852
00:52:24,383 --> 00:52:27,963
The magnitude of this case
was like no other.
853
00:52:28,053 --> 00:52:30,173
It got bothersome
from a media perspective.
854
00:52:30,263 --> 00:52:32,723
They're just constantly on me daily.
855
00:52:32,803 --> 00:52:36,353
They wanted to pontificate
about what I should or shouldn't do.
856
00:52:37,063 --> 00:52:39,473
It was a lot of work,
uh, that went into this.
857
00:52:39,563 --> 00:52:41,943
Gonna be a very long investigation,
858
00:52:42,023 --> 00:52:46,233
probably more complicated than a murder
because we have so many witnesses.
859
00:52:46,863 --> 00:52:49,363
There was over a thousand pages
of police reports.
860
00:52:49,443 --> 00:52:53,783
Unlike most crimes, we had so much footage
from different angles.
861
00:52:58,333 --> 00:53:03,003
The Palace had a VHS tape for each
and every camera that was inside the arena
862
00:53:03,083 --> 00:53:05,463
and then all of the cameras
that are on the concourse
863
00:53:05,543 --> 00:53:07,003
as people were leaving.
864
00:53:07,093 --> 00:53:09,383
We wanted to identify
every single person...
865
00:53:09,463 --> 00:53:12,343
player, fan, employee of the Palace.
866
00:53:12,423 --> 00:53:14,053
Anybody that did anything wrong.
867
00:53:14,133 --> 00:53:15,723
Eventually, we got to the point
868
00:53:15,803 --> 00:53:19,813
where we isolated images
of the people that we were looking for
869
00:53:19,893 --> 00:53:21,853
and we started broadcasting them out.
870
00:53:21,933 --> 00:53:24,193
Breaking developments
in the Palace brawl.
871
00:53:24,273 --> 00:53:26,863
Local Four has obtained exclusive video
872
00:53:26,943 --> 00:53:29,773
of the man accused
of throwing a chair into the crowd
873
00:53:29,863 --> 00:53:31,943
during Friday night's frantic melee.
874
00:53:32,033 --> 00:53:33,573
The man who threw the chair
875
00:53:33,653 --> 00:53:37,993
and struck the two individuals
was a clear-cut case of felonious assault.
876
00:53:41,083 --> 00:53:44,583
When you look at some of the fans,
some of them relished it and got into it.
877
00:53:45,963 --> 00:53:47,673
Charlie Haddad and AJ Shackleford,
878
00:53:47,753 --> 00:53:50,673
they came down several rows
and walked on the court,
879
00:53:50,753 --> 00:53:52,923
one of them coming on the court
880
00:53:53,013 --> 00:53:56,013
face-to-face with Ron
with a clenched fist.
881
00:53:56,093 --> 00:53:59,803
So Ron had every right
to defend himself at that point.
882
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:03,143
It was just crazy.
Made it look like it was my fault.
883
00:54:03,233 --> 00:54:07,943
They definitely did
a very, very loyal fan wrong.
884
00:54:08,813 --> 00:54:13,283
One of the main people we wanted
to locate was the guy that threw the cup.
885
00:54:13,363 --> 00:54:19,373
The main focus�has to turn
to the person who started the riot.
886
00:54:19,453 --> 00:54:21,283
The guy who threw a beer can.
887
00:54:23,373 --> 00:54:27,213
The biggest issue�was
we could not identify the cup thrower.
888
00:54:28,213 --> 00:54:31,593
And I was watching,
and I went, "Play that back."
889
00:54:33,133 --> 00:54:37,433
It took me ten, twelve takes of the video
to finally put it together.
890
00:54:37,513 --> 00:54:40,103
And it dawned on me
where I recognized him from.
891
00:54:40,183 --> 00:54:42,183
He used to date, uh, a neighbor.
892
00:54:42,263 --> 00:54:46,183
So I knew who it was. So I ended up
identifying the cup thrower myself.
893
00:54:48,273 --> 00:54:51,193
- Can we talk to you?
- Can you leave our property, please?
894
00:54:51,273 --> 00:54:53,733
- Asking if I can talk to you.
- No, man.
895
00:54:53,823 --> 00:54:55,653
The suspected cup-throwing fan,
896
00:54:55,743 --> 00:54:58,533
who the prosecution identified
as John Green,
897
00:54:58,613 --> 00:55:00,243
tried to chase reporters away
898
00:55:00,323 --> 00:55:03,373
from his suburban Detroit home
on Monday with his dog.
899
00:55:03,453 --> 00:55:06,913
I was in my office and our dispatcher
called back to me and said,
900
00:55:07,003 --> 00:55:09,583
"I have a guy on the phone
saying he's John Green,
901
00:55:09,673 --> 00:55:10,793
the guy that threw the cup."
902
00:55:12,423 --> 00:55:13,843
It was really wrong.
903
00:55:13,923 --> 00:55:16,083
Those guys shouldn't come up
like that into the stands.
904
00:55:16,133 --> 00:55:18,383
- Especially if you have the wrong guy.
- Right.
905
00:55:18,473 --> 00:55:20,073
- That's me.
- That's you?
906
00:55:20,093 --> 00:55:21,683
Yup. There, that's me.
907
00:55:22,183 --> 00:55:25,103
- Do you still have this jersey?
- I have it.
908
00:55:25,183 --> 00:55:26,663
- Can I see it?
- Why?
909
00:55:26,683 --> 00:55:30,063
- I gotta verify that...
- I have it. Am I in trouble?
910
00:55:30,653 --> 00:55:32,773
No, no one's charged
at this point.
911
00:55:34,023 --> 00:55:36,613
Before...
Let me call my attorney real quick.
912
00:55:38,653 --> 00:55:40,283
The man who started it all.
913
00:55:40,363 --> 00:55:42,783
Boy, he became public enemy number one.
914
00:55:42,873 --> 00:55:44,583
Now, for the first time, he speaks out.
915
00:55:44,663 --> 00:55:46,333
It's apparent who threw the cup.
916
00:55:46,413 --> 00:55:48,873
You were wearing...
I saw that Ben Wa...
917
00:55:48,963 --> 00:55:51,673
Either that or you have an exact twin
who was standing up there.
918
00:55:51,753 --> 00:55:53,253
I've been told that a few times.
919
00:55:53,343 --> 00:55:57,673
Yeah. People have pointed
at you as the person who threw that cup.
920
00:55:57,763 --> 00:56:00,223
- Right.
- When somebody says that,
921
00:56:00,303 --> 00:56:03,263
"Were you the guy that threw the cup?"
how do you answer that?
922
00:56:03,353 --> 00:56:06,353
Uh, at this point, you know, I...
No hable.
923
00:56:07,143 --> 00:56:10,233
You know, I mean,
the video pretty much speaks for itself.
924
00:56:10,313 --> 00:56:13,363
Did you feel bad at all
when Ron Artest is flying up there
925
00:56:13,443 --> 00:56:16,823
and goes right by you
and attacks the guy next to you?
926
00:56:16,903 --> 00:56:18,033
I felt relief.
927
00:56:18,743 --> 00:56:20,323
No. Jeez!
928
00:56:22,363 --> 00:56:25,783
Do you have any, you know,
compassion within yourself
929
00:56:25,873 --> 00:56:29,253
or some pity that he went after that guy,
and you were the guy who...
930
00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:32,123
The only thing I regret
is not putting my foot out sooner.
931
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:34,013
- And tripping him over?
- Yeah.
932
00:56:34,673 --> 00:56:39,013
I think John Green
precipitated this whole melee.
933
00:56:39,843 --> 00:56:42,053
It seems that you're holding fans...
934
00:56:42,133 --> 00:56:45,803
You're saying fans are more culpable here
than the players. Is that correct?
935
00:56:45,893 --> 00:56:49,893
I would say one fan is more culpable,
and that being Mr. Green.
936
00:56:49,973 --> 00:56:52,893
He doesn't throw that cup,
Artest doesn't go in the stands,
937
00:56:52,983 --> 00:56:54,733
the players don't go in the stands,
938
00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:57,693
fans don't react to the players
in the stands,
939
00:56:57,773 --> 00:57:01,493
and probably the whole melee,
uh, dies on the court.
940
00:57:01,573 --> 00:57:04,033
All of 'em,
except for, I think, John Green,
941
00:57:04,113 --> 00:57:07,033
it was fines, costs,
probation, community service
942
00:57:07,123 --> 00:57:10,123
that ultimately was the sentence
of each one of 'em.
943
00:57:10,203 --> 00:57:12,873
John Green was charged
with one count of assault and battery
944
00:57:12,963 --> 00:57:14,423
for throwing the beer,
945
00:57:14,503 --> 00:57:16,883
as well as another count
of assault and battery
946
00:57:16,963 --> 00:57:19,593
for coldcocking Ron Artest.
947
00:57:22,263 --> 00:57:25,113
It's important for people
to understand after the criminal part,
948
00:57:25,143 --> 00:57:27,763
I went through a process
to appeal my suspension.
949
00:57:28,303 --> 00:57:31,023
And once it finally got to federal court,
950
00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:35,653
a federal judge,
who then saw every camera angle,
951
00:57:35,733 --> 00:57:38,733
said I had the right to do what I did.
952
00:57:39,233 --> 00:57:42,323
I'mma be honest with you.
I didn't go up there with no story.
953
00:57:42,403 --> 00:57:43,493
I didn't give a fuck.
954
00:57:43,573 --> 00:57:46,953
I was put in a situation where I either
help my brother or not help him.
955
00:57:47,033 --> 00:57:48,033
I chose to help him.
956
00:57:48,123 --> 00:57:52,373
I apologized for going in the stands.
I apologized for embarrassing the league.
957
00:57:52,453 --> 00:57:55,173
That's why I left it.
I wasn't going in there kissing no ass.
958
00:57:55,253 --> 00:57:57,963
They didn't decrease mine.
They decreased JO's.
959
00:57:58,043 --> 00:58:00,503
And, uh, Ron had
his full-year suspension as well.
960
00:58:02,423 --> 00:58:04,223
It was...
961
00:58:04,303 --> 00:58:07,393
a significant amount of time
for what it was.
962
00:58:07,473 --> 00:58:09,803
They were misdemeanor
assault and batteries.
963
00:58:09,893 --> 00:58:13,353
Normally, you'd spend less than an hour
on that case, start to finish.
964
00:58:13,933 --> 00:58:16,643
What the criminal justice system
did to them
965
00:58:16,733 --> 00:58:19,193
paled in comparison
to what the NBA did to 'em.
966
00:58:20,653 --> 00:58:22,533
That cup of beer changed everything.
967
00:58:22,613 --> 00:58:24,073
Cost all of us...
968
00:58:26,033 --> 00:58:27,863
a lot of money and time.
969
00:58:28,453 --> 00:58:30,953
You know,
it cost a lot of people a lot of things.
970
00:58:32,993 --> 00:58:35,753
Reggie Miller with universal respect.
971
00:58:35,833 --> 00:58:40,383
And the way he played this year,
there was talk about would he reconsider.
972
00:58:40,463 --> 00:58:44,513
And Reggie's given no indication
that this is anything but final.
973
00:58:44,593 --> 00:58:48,093
Reggie! Reggie!�Reggie!�Reggie!
974
00:58:48,183 --> 00:58:52,183
Reggie! Reggie!�Reggie! Reggie!
975
00:58:52,263 --> 00:58:55,483
Reggie! Reggie!�Reggie!
976
00:58:55,563 --> 00:58:56,843
Once all this happened,
977
00:58:57,773 --> 00:59:00,733
that's when I was like,
"It's time for me to hang it up."
978
00:59:06,363 --> 00:59:10,873
If the brawl hadn't happened,
we would have been champions. No question.
979
00:59:10,953 --> 00:59:13,203
That's the most fucked-up thing about it.
980
00:59:13,283 --> 00:59:16,833
That's the only thing I regret
about the whole situation,
981
00:59:16,913 --> 00:59:21,133
is not being able to do
what we said we was gonna do for Reggie.
982
00:59:22,503 --> 00:59:27,763
It was bittersweet because
so many emotions run through your mind.
983
00:59:28,553 --> 00:59:31,013
It was, like, fast forward 18 years.
984
00:59:34,223 --> 00:59:39,313
That's your last NBA game ever.
985
00:59:43,943 --> 00:59:47,323
It's special, man.
It's pure and special.
986
00:59:48,443 --> 00:59:49,363
It is.
987
00:59:51,613 --> 00:59:53,123
For 18 years,
988
00:59:54,163 --> 00:59:55,743
I've truly been blessed...
989
00:59:57,373 --> 01:00:00,293
...to be a Pacer and a Hoosier.
990
01:00:05,003 --> 01:00:06,593
Yeah, it's painful. Uh...
991
01:00:06,673 --> 01:00:08,133
For me, it's painful.
992
01:00:08,213 --> 01:00:10,093
He did about everything you could do.
993
01:00:23,153 --> 01:00:24,563
I apologize for that,
994
01:00:24,653 --> 01:00:27,783
because there's no reason why, uh, Reggie,
995
01:00:28,323 --> 01:00:30,573
uh, should be sitting home without a ring.
996
01:01:02,193 --> 01:01:04,023
The Indiana jersey I had on
997
01:01:04,103 --> 01:01:08,443
was projected on television
at my worst moment.
998
01:01:09,943 --> 01:01:12,783
So, wearing it, I wanna hide.
999
01:01:14,493 --> 01:01:18,083
I didn't wanna ever play
in an Indiana jersey. Too much pressure.
1000
01:01:18,663 --> 01:01:22,043
I asked to be traded, 'cause like I said,
I don't confront things head-on.
1001
01:01:22,663 --> 01:01:26,463
But I think it'd be best if I move on,
and then, you know, they can move on.
1002
01:01:26,543 --> 01:01:29,093
You know,
everybody can move on with their careers.
1003
01:01:29,173 --> 01:01:30,653
That was a slap in my face.
1004
01:01:31,463 --> 01:01:34,723
After all�we'd been through the last year,
now you wanna leave us?
1005
01:01:35,303 --> 01:01:38,813
That had a lasting effect with me and Ron.
1006
01:01:38,893 --> 01:01:42,563
You gotta be accountable
for the people that you pulled in.
1007
01:01:44,063 --> 01:01:46,653
And to me,
that was the most coward scenario
1008
01:01:46,733 --> 01:01:48,443
I've ever fucking seen in my life.
1009
01:01:49,573 --> 01:01:52,783
Sometimes you're a coward
and you gotta admit it. Boom. Simple.
1010
01:01:52,863 --> 01:01:54,993
You know, and, yeah, I didn't...
I should've...
1011
01:01:55,073 --> 01:01:57,823
What you do in a moment like that
is call your teammate,
1012
01:01:58,533 --> 01:02:00,743
even if it's really uncomfortable.
1013
01:02:00,833 --> 01:02:03,003
So, yeah, I wish that would have happened.
1014
01:02:05,753 --> 01:02:08,583
It took a long time
to figure out what's wrong.
1015
01:02:09,213 --> 01:02:13,803
At 23 years old, if I had more balance,
I probably would have been really great.
1016
01:02:13,883 --> 01:02:15,633
Ron Artest, by the way, uh...
1017
01:02:15,723 --> 01:02:18,803
Ron Artest of the Los Angeles�Lakers
had some big news today.
1018
01:02:18,893 --> 01:02:25,443
Ron actually filed papers to have his name
legally changed to Metta World Peace.
1019
01:02:25,523 --> 01:02:27,693
- Ridiculous. It reminds me of Prince...
- So dumb.
1020
01:02:27,773 --> 01:02:30,193
...becoming
the Artist Formerly Known as Prince.
1021
01:02:30,273 --> 01:02:31,473
How long did that symbol last?
1022
01:02:31,523 --> 01:02:35,033
After the brawl, I told my therapist,
"All I wanna do is have balance."
1023
01:02:35,113 --> 01:02:36,873
"That's it.
I don't care about nothing else."
1024
01:02:38,993 --> 01:02:42,293
I tried not to have that much
emotional attachment to the game.
1025
01:02:42,873 --> 01:02:45,333
That's Buddhism, right?
1026
01:02:45,833 --> 01:02:47,753
You know, and Metta's a Buddhist name.
1027
01:02:48,463 --> 01:02:52,673
You wanna keep attaching yourself
to as many positive things as possible.
1028
01:02:54,013 --> 01:02:55,923
When you look at my career,
1029
01:02:56,013 --> 01:02:58,723
not being a good teammate,
like, Metta's the opposite.
1030
01:02:58,803 --> 01:03:01,603
Be a good friend,
be love, and be kindness.
1031
01:03:01,683 --> 01:03:05,063
I wanna communicate,
I wanna be a better person. You know?
1032
01:03:05,143 --> 01:03:07,483
And that's pretty much what Metta means.
1033
01:03:07,563 --> 01:03:11,693
I had a real problem with Ron for years,
1034
01:03:11,773 --> 01:03:14,943
and it grew a dislike in my system.
1035
01:03:15,533 --> 01:03:18,283
I was probably even more angry
once he won the championship.
1036
01:03:18,363 --> 01:03:21,413
Ron Artest has made
the most of his second chance.
1037
01:03:21,493 --> 01:03:23,703
And he's come all the way
from that Palace brawl
1038
01:03:23,793 --> 01:03:27,543
to NBA championship
with the Los Angeles Lakers.
1039
01:03:27,623 --> 01:03:30,213
Ron, you're the only member
of this Laker team
1040
01:03:30,293 --> 01:03:32,003
to get that first championship.
1041
01:03:32,083 --> 01:03:34,173
You, my friend, are a champion.
How does it feel?
1042
01:03:34,253 --> 01:03:37,383
I was supposed to get one
with Jermaine and Donnie and Larry
1043
01:03:37,473 --> 01:03:40,303
and Jamaal Tinsley and Jeff Foster
over there in Indiana,
1044
01:03:40,383 --> 01:03:42,353
and I bailed out on them.
I feel like a coward.
1045
01:03:42,433 --> 01:03:46,563
I don't even like being in their presence.
I feel like a coward in their presence,
1046
01:03:46,643 --> 01:03:49,563
you know, 'cause I bailed out on them
as a teammate.
1047
01:03:49,643 --> 01:03:52,733
And then I get to get a championship,
you know, so...
1048
01:03:52,813 --> 01:03:55,193
Let's talk about this game.
You looked in the first half...
1049
01:03:55,273 --> 01:03:57,783
I'm over the situation.
I lost a lot of money. Whatever.
1050
01:03:57,863 --> 01:04:01,283
I still feel like Jermaine's
being labeled by that.
1051
01:04:01,363 --> 01:04:03,283
Jermaine O'Neal.
1052
01:04:03,373 --> 01:04:07,083
He was on the verge of becoming one
of the greatest players ever. You know?
1053
01:04:08,373 --> 01:04:10,123
When I look at Jermaine today,
1054
01:04:10,213 --> 01:04:14,343
I think�he probably suffered more
than all the players.
1055
01:04:14,423 --> 01:04:19,223
Because Ronnie Artest ended up
with the Lakers and won a championship.
1056
01:04:19,303 --> 01:04:23,513
Even Jack, who had played
on a championship team, San Antonio.
1057
01:04:23,593 --> 01:04:26,973
So Jermaine's career
kinda got short-circuited.
1058
01:04:27,063 --> 01:04:31,103
The responsibility of carrying that team
and being the leader was on him
1059
01:04:31,193 --> 01:04:33,563
when all that happened,
and it wasn't his fault.
1060
01:04:33,653 --> 01:04:34,903
But he got blamed for it.
1061
01:04:41,653 --> 01:04:44,573
I've never really�tried to use
the word "regret,"
1062
01:04:45,323 --> 01:04:46,323
um,
1063
01:04:46,913 --> 01:04:47,913
but...
1064
01:04:49,833 --> 01:04:51,043
it's a part of me
1065
01:04:52,673 --> 01:04:53,713
that, uh,
1066
01:04:55,043 --> 01:04:56,843
has always bothered me.
1067
01:05:00,133 --> 01:05:03,053
Sky 4 was over the Palace of Auburn Hills
earlier today,
1068
01:05:03,133 --> 01:05:05,683
where crews were beginning
to demolish the place.
1069
01:05:05,763 --> 01:05:07,933
The Palace was home
to the Detroit Pistons
1070
01:05:08,013 --> 01:05:09,853
and saw three NBA championships
1071
01:05:09,933 --> 01:05:14,023
before it closed for good
after the 2017 season.
1072
01:05:14,103 --> 01:05:16,443
This thing was drawn out for years.
1073
01:05:20,613 --> 01:05:23,533
I didn't wanna talk to anybody.
I wanted to move on with my life.
1074
01:05:24,743 --> 01:05:27,493
I've never been able
to get away from it though.
1075
01:05:32,503 --> 01:05:36,173
People thought that ticket guaranteed them
to do whatever they wanted to do.
1076
01:05:36,253 --> 01:05:38,753
They can act and treat people
any way they wanted.
1077
01:05:41,423 --> 01:05:44,303
I'm not saying much of it was correct,
1078
01:05:45,343 --> 01:05:49,143
but they had�a personal investment
in-in those ballplayers.
1079
01:05:50,393 --> 01:05:52,143
Pops up every single year.
1080
01:05:52,853 --> 01:05:54,983
Kids that wasn't even born
asking me about that.
1081
01:05:57,153 --> 01:05:59,693
Fans have
such an emotional investment in it.
1082
01:06:00,943 --> 01:06:02,493
There is a darkness there.
1083
01:06:02,573 --> 01:06:06,783
If you're a professional
athlete, you may not go into the stands.
1084
01:06:06,863 --> 01:06:10,373
Boy, what a waste
of a lot of time and resources
1085
01:06:10,453 --> 01:06:13,413
when crimes and murders were taking place.
1086
01:06:14,833 --> 01:06:18,253
Nobody cared about
who won the criminal cases,
1087
01:06:18,333 --> 01:06:19,793
who won the appeal case.
1088
01:06:21,213 --> 01:06:23,803
I wasn't able to speak for years.
1089
01:06:23,883 --> 01:06:26,513
This is the last fucking time
you can ask me about this shit.
1090
01:06:26,593 --> 01:06:29,683
I don't wanna talk about that piece
of shit motherfucker who threw that beer.
1091
01:06:29,763 --> 01:06:32,523
Okay? I don't wanna talk
about losing all that money no more.
1092
01:06:32,603 --> 01:06:34,353
This is a disgrace.
1093
01:06:34,433 --> 01:06:37,603
If there's any fault, it's on me.
I thought it would work.
1094
01:06:38,353 --> 01:06:39,193
I wasn't right.
1095
01:06:39,273 --> 01:06:41,903
Fans and players
are going at it. The players...
1096
01:06:41,983 --> 01:06:43,693
Some things just never leave.
1097
01:06:44,283 --> 01:06:45,403
They never leave.
1098
01:06:45,993 --> 01:06:48,993
Malice in the Palace is...
is one of those events.
1099
01:06:49,623 --> 01:06:52,083
There's a bit of me
that probably to this very day
1100
01:06:52,163 --> 01:06:56,043
is still in the Palace
until they knock it down.