1 00:00:13,972 --> 00:00:15,722 [officer] Do you know anybody in Nebraska? 2 00:00:16,558 --> 00:00:19,558 Stop at any bars, meet people and score any dope? 3 00:00:21,396 --> 00:00:22,396 No. 4 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:24,649 -Tell us who you were with. -[woman cries] 5 00:00:27,861 --> 00:00:29,361 [officer] Anybody else? 6 00:00:29,446 --> 00:00:31,946 I don't know anybody in Nebraska. 7 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:34,832 -Where were you prior-- -I didn't even know I was in Nebraska. 8 00:00:34,909 --> 00:00:37,039 If you didn't kill somebody, who were you with that did? 9 00:00:37,454 --> 00:00:39,124 -I don't know. -'Cause it's that simple. 10 00:00:40,331 --> 00:00:41,421 I don't know. 11 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:42,711 I don't know. I don't know. 12 00:00:42,792 --> 00:00:44,882 I don't know what happened. 13 00:00:55,597 --> 00:00:59,517 [man] The gruesomeness of the event made people think it had to be personal. 14 00:01:00,685 --> 00:01:03,185 Obviously an inside job. 15 00:01:04,606 --> 00:01:06,896 [reporter] No one could have expected someone would murder 16 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:09,783 Wayne and Sharmon Stock in their secluded farmhouse. 17 00:01:10,653 --> 00:01:13,873 My sergeant asked me to go inside and check the house. 18 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:18,239 And I went upstairs, and that's when I saw Wayne. 19 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:20,367 His head was pretty much destroyed. 20 00:01:20,872 --> 00:01:23,042 [man 2] There was blood all over that scene. 21 00:01:23,625 --> 00:01:26,705 It looked like an assassination, to be honest with you. 22 00:01:28,379 --> 00:01:30,259 [man 1] A lot of cases that you work, 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,590 it's pretty clear-cut. 24 00:01:33,218 --> 00:01:35,258 Nothing about this case was clear-cut. 25 00:01:36,513 --> 00:01:38,893 This whole thing divided Murdock in half. 26 00:01:40,183 --> 00:01:42,523 [man 2] The evidence didn't fit the facts. 27 00:01:42,936 --> 00:01:44,936 All of a sudden, two suspects 28 00:01:45,021 --> 00:01:46,561 now go to four suspects. 29 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:50,191 [man 3] The cops were gonna be heroes. 30 00:01:50,735 --> 00:01:52,605 They just needed to make it all fit. 31 00:01:53,696 --> 00:01:57,026 It was just kind of a big shitshow. 32 00:02:04,707 --> 00:02:06,837 [man] I've always had a strong sense of justice. 33 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:08,918 [camera clicks] 34 00:02:10,004 --> 00:02:11,514 I mean, I was raised that way. 35 00:02:12,006 --> 00:02:16,546 So I went after it as hard if not harder than a lot of my cases. 36 00:02:31,192 --> 00:02:34,612 Murdock, it's a small town in the middle of nowhere. 37 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:41,197 And those small communities don't have police officers in them all the time. 38 00:02:43,621 --> 00:02:47,921 People could go and, you know, do some wild stuff if they wanted to. 39 00:02:48,877 --> 00:02:50,587 And they might get away with it. 40 00:02:54,924 --> 00:02:57,094 [static] 41 00:03:04,142 --> 00:03:06,482 [wind howling] 42 00:03:08,188 --> 00:03:11,188 I've seen death in a lot of different forms. 43 00:03:11,608 --> 00:03:13,738 I'd never seen anything as brutal as this. 44 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:21,453 I still have nightmares sometimes. 45 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:28,924 Wayne and Sharmon, 46 00:03:29,417 --> 00:03:31,287 they didn't have a chance to protect themselves. 47 00:03:41,471 --> 00:03:43,311 The Stock family, they're a good bunch of people, 48 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:46,479 and they're a pretty sizable farm operation out there. 49 00:03:47,268 --> 00:03:49,598 They had a hay business that was pretty popular, 50 00:03:49,687 --> 00:03:52,937 and so they had money, and the family as a whole had money. 51 00:03:55,735 --> 00:03:58,445 It had come to our attention from talking to the family 52 00:03:58,529 --> 00:04:02,659 that Wayne and Sharmon Stock's nephew had a bone to pick with his aunt and uncle 53 00:04:02,742 --> 00:04:05,452 because he didn't feel like he was ever gonna get his fair share 54 00:04:05,536 --> 00:04:06,746 of the family money. 55 00:04:08,456 --> 00:04:11,576 All his aunts and uncles and cousins that we had talked to were saying 56 00:04:11,668 --> 00:04:15,838 he'd actually had arguments in person with Wayne and Sharmon 57 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:19,802 about inheritances, about money, about his share of what his family has. 58 00:04:21,386 --> 00:04:24,466 So then we had a potential suspect. 59 00:04:30,019 --> 00:04:33,859 Matt was kind of like the black sheep of that side of the family. 60 00:04:42,573 --> 00:04:44,743 Me and Matt have always been close. 61 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:48,156 Out of the cousins, it was always typically me and Matt 62 00:04:48,246 --> 00:04:49,786 were always hanging out together. 63 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:53,536 He'd tried being everybody's buddy 64 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:56,796 and, you know, he was a good guy and everything. He'd just... 65 00:04:57,088 --> 00:04:59,088 Sometimes, he acts without thinking. 66 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:05,845 Matt may have had a temper, but it was... 67 00:05:06,514 --> 00:05:08,184 nothing like that. I mean, 68 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,023 I don't see that in him. 69 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:12,561 [birds cawing] 70 00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:18,443 [Earl] We asked him to come along for an interview and he agreed to it. 71 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,873 He seemed pretty plain and straightforward. 72 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:27,698 I mean, 73 00:05:28,244 --> 00:05:30,294 he's not that technical upstairs. 74 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:33,374 He's a simple guy. 75 00:05:34,792 --> 00:05:37,342 [officer] This is considered a non-custodial interview. 76 00:05:37,837 --> 00:05:39,337 You're free to leave at any time. 77 00:05:39,422 --> 00:05:41,512 [Matt] Well, I'm here to cooperate with you gentlemen. 78 00:05:41,591 --> 00:05:43,471 [officer] Okay, and that's just for the record, 79 00:05:43,551 --> 00:05:46,261 so you don't think that you're trapped here. And if at any time, you go, 80 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,596 "I'm not happy and I don't want to be here," you can leave. 81 00:05:48,681 --> 00:05:49,521 [Matt] Okay. 82 00:05:49,849 --> 00:05:52,189 It was a thought someday 83 00:05:52,268 --> 00:05:54,438 that I wanted to be a police officer, so... 84 00:05:55,104 --> 00:05:57,824 I wanted to help them figure this out, you know? 85 00:05:58,691 --> 00:06:01,741 Didn't have a clue that I was even considered a suspect. 86 00:06:06,115 --> 00:06:08,325 What kind of person do you think goes into someone's house 87 00:06:08,409 --> 00:06:10,079 and shoots somebody and takes their life? 88 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:12,214 [Matt] A sicko. 89 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:15,044 A sick person. That's what I think. 90 00:06:16,459 --> 00:06:17,459 But... 91 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:19,709 I don't know. 92 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:21,168 I mean, it's... 93 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:25,428 [officer] We're like you. We want to know the who, what, when, why and how and who. 94 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:29,640 First, he was like, well, there was never any problem 95 00:06:29,722 --> 00:06:31,562 between him and his aunt and uncle, 96 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:33,941 and he's just beside himself about all this, 97 00:06:34,018 --> 00:06:36,438 and he's not sure who would do a thing like this. 98 00:06:38,898 --> 00:06:40,358 But we knew he was lying. 99 00:06:41,109 --> 00:06:43,239 [Matt] I didn't have anything to do with this. 100 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:44,739 -You did. -I did not. 101 00:06:44,821 --> 00:06:46,491 -You did. -I did not, Bill. 102 00:06:46,572 --> 00:06:48,162 -You did. -No, I didn't. 103 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:49,411 I'm sorry, you did. 104 00:06:50,159 --> 00:06:51,579 -Come on, Matt. -Come on, Matt. 105 00:06:51,661 --> 00:06:53,791 [Bill] You're thinking too hard. You've got your mind spinning, 106 00:06:53,871 --> 00:06:56,081 going, "I'm trying to get out of this. What do I say?" 107 00:06:56,165 --> 00:06:58,665 We've had so many people sitting in that chair, okay, 108 00:06:58,751 --> 00:07:00,881 that think that they're smarter than us, and you're not. 109 00:07:00,962 --> 00:07:01,922 -No. -Okay? 110 00:07:02,004 --> 00:07:04,384 -I'm dumb as a brick. -No, you're not dumb as a brick, okay? 111 00:07:04,465 --> 00:07:06,175 -You made a mistake. -You fucked up. 112 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:08,889 You did. You fucked up, and now you've got to pay for it. 113 00:07:11,472 --> 00:07:14,142 [Matt] It was something I'd never been through. 114 00:07:15,393 --> 00:07:17,653 I had no idea how to act, 115 00:07:17,728 --> 00:07:20,648 I didn't know how to think, and, you know, 116 00:07:20,731 --> 00:07:22,071 didn't have a clue. 117 00:07:24,318 --> 00:07:25,898 Do you consider yourself a man? 118 00:07:26,487 --> 00:07:27,527 Then stand up. 119 00:07:28,698 --> 00:07:29,698 No. 120 00:07:29,782 --> 00:07:31,532 Stand up and be a man, okay? 121 00:07:31,617 --> 00:07:33,407 -Own up. -Own up for what you've done. 122 00:07:34,704 --> 00:07:37,294 Do you understand? You shake your head at me and you look at me. 123 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:39,293 I just want to make sure you understand. 124 00:07:39,375 --> 00:07:41,995 -I'm trying to. -Okay, then speak up and tell us. 125 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:50,298 [Earl] If you don't admit to me exactly what you've done, 126 00:07:50,386 --> 00:07:51,546 I'm gonna walk out that door, 127 00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:53,677 and I'm gonna do my level best to hang your ass 128 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:55,390 from the highest tree. 129 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:58,055 You're done. I'll go after the death penalty. 130 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:00,694 I'll push, I'll push, and I'll push 131 00:08:00,771 --> 00:08:04,281 until I get everything I need to make sure you go down hard for this. 132 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:06,236 There is no second chance 133 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:08,069 'cause I'll look at you and go piss on you. 134 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,280 [Matt] It was nerve-racking. 135 00:08:12,241 --> 00:08:14,831 I figured if I just tell them what they wanted to hear, 136 00:08:14,911 --> 00:08:16,161 then I'd get to go home. 137 00:08:18,706 --> 00:08:21,246 Let's take this in baby steps, all right? 138 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:23,924 Let's try to make this as simple as possible. 139 00:08:25,338 --> 00:08:26,838 Where did you get the shotgun from? 140 00:08:26,923 --> 00:08:30,383 The only one I have is locked up in my dad's gun safe, 141 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:33,008 and I don't even know where the keys are for it. 142 00:08:37,058 --> 00:08:39,438 Man, I'm trying to help you piece this together 143 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,519 'cause we already know the truth, man. 144 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:43,305 Baby steps. 145 00:08:44,273 --> 00:08:45,273 Start to finish. 146 00:08:46,901 --> 00:08:47,991 The truth is... 147 00:08:49,487 --> 00:08:50,487 you got a gun. 148 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:52,702 -Right or wrong? -Right. 149 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:56,617 And you took that gun 150 00:08:56,702 --> 00:08:59,622 back to your Uncle Wayne and Aunt Sharmon's house, right? 151 00:09:03,834 --> 00:09:05,004 Right or wrong? Come on, man. 152 00:09:05,419 --> 00:09:06,249 [Matt] Right. 153 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:14,802 [Earl] And you walked upstairs in their house after hours. 154 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:16,718 -Right or wrong? -[Matt] Right. 155 00:09:19,141 --> 00:09:21,061 [Earl] And you walked in with that shotgun... 156 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:25,482 and you saw they were laying in bed. Right or wrong? 157 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:27,525 [Matt] Right, I guess. Right. 158 00:09:27,608 --> 00:09:28,438 [Earl] Right. 159 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:31,150 And you fired a shot... 160 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:36,740 -at your Uncle Wayne. -Right. 161 00:09:38,369 --> 00:09:40,749 What happened next? I want you to tell me. 162 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:46,210 When he first started making those admissions, 163 00:09:46,294 --> 00:09:47,634 I just locked onto him. 164 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:51,471 I didn't want to look at Bill. I didn't want to look up at the camera. 165 00:09:51,549 --> 00:09:53,179 I just wanted to say, "Okay, I got you. 166 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:56,799 Now stay with me and talk to me and tell me how this all happened." 167 00:09:59,682 --> 00:10:01,562 -Don't remember. -You don't remember? 168 00:10:03,019 --> 00:10:05,649 But you got pretty close to Aunt Sharmon, didn't you? 169 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:11,645 Right, I guess. I don't know, um... 170 00:10:12,778 --> 00:10:14,988 -All that rage running through you. -Right. 171 00:10:16,532 --> 00:10:19,122 And you fired a shot to shut her up. 172 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:21,413 Is that right? 173 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:24,459 -I need you to say it out loud, buddy. -Yes, sir. 174 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:31,338 At the point that he started saying things that he knew to be the truth, 175 00:10:32,715 --> 00:10:35,465 he felt relaxed, and he felt like letting them go. 176 00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:42,850 It's all right, buddy. You started to say it. Come on, let it go. 177 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:44,853 [Matt] Then I pulled that trigger and... 178 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:46,845 shot her. 179 00:10:48,022 --> 00:10:50,272 And then she screamed more. 180 00:10:51,692 --> 00:10:52,692 And then I just... 181 00:10:56,072 --> 00:10:57,162 You just what, buddy? 182 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:01,156 [Matt] Put the gun to her face and blew it away. 183 00:11:02,745 --> 00:11:04,575 -[Earl] Okay. -And then as I headed out, 184 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:07,334 I just stuck it to him and blew him away. 185 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:12,505 And the more he told the truth, 186 00:11:12,588 --> 00:11:14,418 the more he was able to open up and sit back. 187 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:16,337 And when I ask him, "How do you feel now?" 188 00:11:16,425 --> 00:11:19,465 "I feel like the world has been lifted off of my shoulders." 189 00:11:20,554 --> 00:11:21,974 Now tell me how you feel. 190 00:11:22,056 --> 00:11:23,136 Like shit. 191 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:30,063 You're breathing a little easier than you were before. 192 00:11:30,439 --> 00:11:31,269 [Matt] Yeah. 193 00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:33,277 Doesn't make anything... 194 00:11:34,860 --> 00:11:37,240 -[Earl] No, it doesn't make it better. -No. 195 00:11:37,321 --> 00:11:39,491 -[Earl] It ain't gonna bring 'em back. -No. 196 00:11:39,573 --> 00:11:40,743 I fucked up. 197 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:44,250 You know, I was spitballing at stuff, 198 00:11:44,328 --> 00:11:45,198 but... 199 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:49,166 you know, he was able to tell us a lot of things that... 200 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:52,800 yeah, that kind of added up to everything that we had. 201 00:11:57,174 --> 00:11:59,094 [Earl] This is a really important question. 202 00:11:59,176 --> 00:12:00,716 You weren't alone that night. 203 00:12:04,515 --> 00:12:06,425 -Is that right or wrong? -[Matt] Right. 204 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:10,020 [Earl] There was somebody else with you, wasn't there? 205 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:13,612 [Matt] Yeah. 206 00:12:16,277 --> 00:12:17,697 [man] Matt's interrogation, 207 00:12:18,529 --> 00:12:20,699 it just wasn't right from the beginning. 208 00:12:22,032 --> 00:12:24,452 He was like training a puppy... 209 00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:26,996 to not pee on a carpet. 210 00:12:30,207 --> 00:12:32,497 The first scenario for the shooting 211 00:12:32,585 --> 00:12:34,415 was he did the whole thing by himself 212 00:12:36,213 --> 00:12:38,423 and they go, "Well, no, that can't be true," 213 00:12:38,716 --> 00:12:40,466 and they were leading him to the story 214 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:42,471 that they thought fit the physical evidence. 215 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,057 At the crime scene, 216 00:12:49,435 --> 00:12:51,145 there was a void... 217 00:12:52,396 --> 00:12:56,396 apparent on one of the walls in the blood spatter, 218 00:12:56,859 --> 00:12:59,989 which would indicate that at the time the gun was fired, 219 00:13:00,446 --> 00:13:04,486 there would have been somebody else standing within two or three feet, 220 00:13:04,992 --> 00:13:08,452 and that would have indicated that there were two people involved. 221 00:13:12,291 --> 00:13:14,671 [Earl] You weren't alone that night. [clears throat] 222 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:20,628 Who else was with you? 223 00:13:24,303 --> 00:13:25,433 Nick Sampson. 224 00:13:29,850 --> 00:13:31,440 Yeah, that was kind of hurtful, 225 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:35,309 knowing that, you know, he was supposed to be my cousin, my best friend, 226 00:13:35,397 --> 00:13:36,517 one we always hung out with, 227 00:13:36,607 --> 00:13:38,937 kind of just threw me under the bus. 228 00:13:41,570 --> 00:13:42,950 -Hey. -Hm? 229 00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:44,570 Sit here for just a second, okay? 230 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:47,077 I'm gonna get you that potty break and stuff and a smoke break. 231 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:48,369 -All right? -All right. 232 00:13:48,452 --> 00:13:49,832 Sit here for a second. 233 00:13:53,707 --> 00:13:55,287 [Bill] Stand up and stretch your legs. 234 00:13:55,376 --> 00:13:56,456 -Can I? -Yes. 235 00:13:57,044 --> 00:13:58,134 [indistinct chatter] 236 00:14:00,297 --> 00:14:02,717 [grumbles] 237 00:14:04,218 --> 00:14:05,298 [whispers] My God. 238 00:14:13,602 --> 00:14:15,942 [Nick] That night, I was at work 239 00:14:16,021 --> 00:14:17,441 at Bulldog's Bar and Grill. 240 00:14:19,275 --> 00:14:20,565 It's the only bar in town. 241 00:14:20,651 --> 00:14:23,651 It's been the only bar in town for as long as I can ever remember. 242 00:14:26,782 --> 00:14:29,452 I was in the kitchen cooking that night, 243 00:14:29,535 --> 00:14:31,695 and it was getting to closing time, 244 00:14:31,787 --> 00:14:35,207 and one of the patrons says there was a couple of cops 245 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,841 sitting outside on either side of the block. 246 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:45,302 So I'm like, "Okay, whatever." 247 00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:47,894 So I just went back and did my normal thing. 248 00:14:52,266 --> 00:14:54,016 And then next thing I know, 249 00:14:54,101 --> 00:14:56,731 there was about six of them came in, guns blazing... 250 00:14:58,105 --> 00:15:01,935 and arrested me in front of probably eight to ten people 251 00:15:02,026 --> 00:15:03,566 right there on the bar floor. 252 00:15:03,652 --> 00:15:05,242 Put me in handcuffs and... 253 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:07,162 walked me out. 254 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:15,119 They told me that I was being charged 255 00:15:15,205 --> 00:15:18,705 with the murders of Wayne and Sharmon Stock. 256 00:15:24,089 --> 00:15:27,839 They didn't really tell me too much about what Matt had said. 257 00:15:28,677 --> 00:15:30,597 They just said that he had mentioned my name 258 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:32,389 and said that I was involved. 259 00:15:32,723 --> 00:15:35,273 If you really dig down deep inside yourself, 260 00:15:35,351 --> 00:15:37,601 if you're involved in this, you'll let me know now 261 00:15:37,686 --> 00:15:39,686 and we can work it out. 262 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:41,442 [Nick] I did nothing. 263 00:15:41,523 --> 00:15:45,243 I had nothing, 100%, to do with this at all. 264 00:15:45,319 --> 00:15:46,149 [officer] Okay. 265 00:15:46,236 --> 00:15:48,446 [Nick] I didn't know anything about it until Monday night, 266 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:50,620 until I got the phone call from my sister. 267 00:15:50,699 --> 00:15:53,369 [officer] So if I bring a polygraph up here, you're ready to do it? 268 00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:54,792 -I am. -Right here and right now? 269 00:15:54,912 --> 00:15:56,162 -Mm-hm. -We'll do that. 270 00:15:58,123 --> 00:16:00,083 I went in for a polygraph. 271 00:16:00,167 --> 00:16:01,457 They said I failed. 272 00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:04,127 I'm like, "No, you're full of shit. 273 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,130 Take me back to my cell." 274 00:16:06,215 --> 00:16:07,045 [laughs] 275 00:16:07,424 --> 00:16:08,434 And then after that, 276 00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:10,089 I figured out I had an attorney. 277 00:16:13,138 --> 00:16:14,968 [Jerry] My job was to get Nick out, 278 00:16:15,516 --> 00:16:19,186 and I needed to get Nick out as soon as possible. 279 00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:23,984 All I had to do was to keep Matt 280 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:26,856 from testifying against my client. 281 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:28,324 They had nothing on him 282 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:30,824 because there was nothing to find. 283 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:38,328 My thing about confessions, I don't care about them. 284 00:16:38,414 --> 00:16:40,044 I don't even pay attention to them. 285 00:16:40,374 --> 00:16:42,044 You've got to have something to back it up, 286 00:16:42,126 --> 00:16:44,956 otherwise it's a pretty weak case, really. 287 00:16:47,673 --> 00:16:50,343 Forensic work, it's kind of black and white in a lot of ways. 288 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:51,466 There's not much gray area. 289 00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:54,847 This DNA belongs to this individual or it doesn't. 290 00:16:56,306 --> 00:16:58,516 It's all about linkage. Linkage, linkage, linkage. 291 00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:02,440 Cass County Sheriff's Department, that was their case, 292 00:17:02,938 --> 00:17:05,438 and they wanted us to come down and work the scene, 293 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:07,530 so we went down there. 294 00:17:07,609 --> 00:17:09,279 [interviewer] Why were they requesting you? 295 00:17:09,737 --> 00:17:10,567 Well... 296 00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:12,406 I could toot my own horn, I guess. 297 00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:15,992 [reporter] David Kofoed says CSI work 298 00:17:16,076 --> 00:17:18,906 often becomes the missing link in a case. 299 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:21,416 If you don't find that evidence, you have nothing. 300 00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:26,172 [Jerry] David Kofoed was probably considered 301 00:17:26,253 --> 00:17:30,133 the most prominent CSI investigator in Nebraska. 302 00:17:30,674 --> 00:17:32,094 A superstar at the time, 303 00:17:33,218 --> 00:17:37,138 showing what all of the whizzbang things could be done with forensic science. 304 00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:41,142 [reporter 2] Renowned for having solved some of Nebraska's biggest crimes, 305 00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:43,595 named Mr. Nebraska twice. 306 00:17:44,313 --> 00:17:46,903 [David] Well, I won Mr. Nebraska when I was 19. 307 00:17:46,982 --> 00:17:48,402 Then when I was 36, 308 00:17:49,485 --> 00:17:51,105 I was working at the crime lab 309 00:17:51,195 --> 00:17:54,695 and somebody said, "You ought to do it again," and I won when I was 36. 310 00:17:55,532 --> 00:17:57,742 You can't tell anymore, can you? [laughs] 311 00:18:01,538 --> 00:18:03,418 The Cass County Sheriff's Office, 312 00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:05,876 they were under some pressure, I guess. 313 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:09,550 You know, they had to do something to confirm their confession. 314 00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:11,881 You got these two guys 315 00:18:11,965 --> 00:18:15,175 that are in county jail and we have nothing to link 'em up. 316 00:18:17,721 --> 00:18:19,771 [Jerry] This is a middle-of-the-night shooting. 317 00:18:20,682 --> 00:18:23,392 And there was a letter carrier and his girlfriend 318 00:18:23,477 --> 00:18:25,437 who were delivering newspapers. 319 00:18:27,356 --> 00:18:29,266 And he reported driving by there 320 00:18:29,358 --> 00:18:30,568 and seeing this car. 321 00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:35,277 And he described it as a tan sedan. 322 00:18:35,906 --> 00:18:38,696 They drive around, then all of a sudden, they're taking another route 323 00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:40,664 and this car goes by them 324 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:43,164 at a very, very high rate of speed. 325 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,037 They get frightened and they remember it. 326 00:18:45,749 --> 00:18:46,579 The cops say, 327 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:48,997 "Aha! This is the murderers." 328 00:18:49,086 --> 00:18:52,836 But the only thing they really have is this tan sedan. 329 00:18:53,423 --> 00:18:55,183 Matt doesn't have a tan sedan. 330 00:18:55,259 --> 00:18:56,639 I believe he had a Gremlin, 331 00:18:56,718 --> 00:18:59,888 a red and white Gremlin, something like ugliest car I've ever seen, 332 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:03,232 and Nick doesn't have a-- that kind of car either. 333 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:05,436 But Nick has a brother 334 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:08,609 uh, and his brother has a tan car. 335 00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:12,650 [man] Unfortunately, there are a lot of... 336 00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:15,319 just bad coincidences. 337 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:23,410 I was just another piece that fit. 338 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:27,000 Neither one of them had been in my car in... 339 00:19:27,916 --> 00:19:29,166 who knows how long. 340 00:19:30,878 --> 00:19:32,048 When they took the car, 341 00:19:32,129 --> 00:19:34,719 I kept holding a little bit of faith 342 00:19:34,798 --> 00:19:37,088 through this whole thing. Like, "Give them what they want. 343 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,176 We're not linked to this in any way. 344 00:19:39,261 --> 00:19:41,761 We have to assume they're proficient at their job 345 00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:44,387 and will discover that sooner than later 346 00:19:44,474 --> 00:19:47,354 and the whole misunderstanding, you know, will be settled." 347 00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:52,149 [Jerry] Will's car had been searched and nothing was found. 348 00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:54,278 You know, suited up, 349 00:19:54,735 --> 00:19:56,485 luminoled the whole thing. Nothing. 350 00:19:58,113 --> 00:19:59,243 [David] They didn't match it. 351 00:20:00,115 --> 00:20:01,325 So I'm thinking to myself, 352 00:20:01,408 --> 00:20:03,578 "God, maybe we did miss something. Who knows?" 353 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,120 [Jerry] They called Kofoed and said, "Go back and look at the car." 354 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:10,577 [interviewer] What did you find when you reprocessed it? 355 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:12,787 Um... 356 00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:16,915 Let's see. What did I find? 357 00:20:21,637 --> 00:20:25,557 [Nick] Kofoed found a spot of blood underneath the steering wheel. 358 00:20:27,351 --> 00:20:30,441 And it's a pure sample of Wayne Stock's DNA. 359 00:20:32,814 --> 00:20:34,784 [David] And then there was a eureka moment. 360 00:20:35,859 --> 00:20:38,319 Are you kidding me? Now they had their linkage 361 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:40,613 to confirm their confession. 362 00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:45,659 I was facing two counts first-degree murder, 363 00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:48,164 two counts felony use of a firearm 364 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:50,247 and the death penalty. 365 00:20:50,749 --> 00:20:53,169 That's when things got weird. 366 00:20:55,837 --> 00:20:56,667 [switch clicks] 367 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:03,640 [Jerry] One of the things that was unusual 368 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,220 was this was such a clean crime scene. 369 00:21:07,808 --> 00:21:11,058 Sharmon was a very meticulous housekeeper. 370 00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:14,113 Everything was... spotless. 371 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:22,069 But then we were getting indications of this ring that was found 372 00:21:22,739 --> 00:21:23,949 and... 373 00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:26,372 things just weren't right. 374 00:21:29,121 --> 00:21:30,621 [woman] I was working at AandA Jewelers, 375 00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:32,456 which was a jewelry manufacturer. 376 00:21:32,541 --> 00:21:35,131 The warehouse manager at the time came to my office 377 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:38,960 and said that the police department from Nebraska was on the phone, 378 00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:43,177 and I said, "Nebraska? I don't have anything to do with Nebraska." 379 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,220 So I took the call 380 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:48,184 and it was a female police officer 381 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:51,345 saying that they wanted to know who had created this ring. 382 00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:53,095 It was found at a homicide... 383 00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:54,902 in Nebraska. 384 00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:03,740 Interior of the ring was our trademark. 385 00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:07,584 It stands for AandA Jewelers, 386 00:22:07,993 --> 00:22:09,543 and that's how they found us. 387 00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:15,252 The police officer had indicated 388 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:16,884 it said "Cori and Ryan" on it. 389 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:20,091 She just said 390 00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:23,722 that she needed the information on who had placed the order. 391 00:22:26,970 --> 00:22:27,890 The hunt began. 392 00:22:30,557 --> 00:22:33,557 The hunt was like looking for a needle in a haystack. 393 00:22:33,935 --> 00:22:35,145 At the time, we had 394 00:22:35,729 --> 00:22:39,479 probably about twenty-five, twenty-six hundred Walmart locations. 395 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,070 We had Zales. We had Gordon's. 396 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:46,782 We had thousands and thousands of files of orders that had been placed. 397 00:22:46,990 --> 00:22:50,700 It was kind of like, "Okay, I'm gonna start with A and go through, 398 00:22:50,786 --> 00:22:52,036 and this is impossible. 399 00:22:53,288 --> 00:22:54,868 This is totally impossible." 400 00:22:55,457 --> 00:22:57,377 It took me, like, three days... 401 00:22:58,001 --> 00:22:59,501 to go through those boxes. 402 00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:04,715 I found the two names... 403 00:23:05,425 --> 00:23:06,385 together. 404 00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:08,932 I think I yelled, "Bingo," 405 00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:11,564 in the warehouse at the time. 406 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:14,942 And then I called the police officer back. 407 00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:17,268 And the puzzle was, 408 00:23:17,354 --> 00:23:21,074 "Well, where in Nebraska was it purchased?" 409 00:23:21,149 --> 00:23:23,319 And I said, "It wasn't in Nebraska. 410 00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:24,692 It was in Wisconsin. 411 00:23:25,654 --> 00:23:28,494 The ring had been shipped to an address in Wisconsin." 412 00:23:31,993 --> 00:23:37,463 There's this ring that's connected to this couple up in Wisconsin, 413 00:23:37,541 --> 00:23:38,881 Cori and Ryan. 414 00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:42,924 Ryan had had his car stolen... 415 00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:45,755 and the ring was still inside. 416 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:49,260 The pickup was stolen by this young couple. 417 00:23:51,054 --> 00:23:52,434 She was 17. 418 00:23:54,391 --> 00:23:55,681 He was 19. 419 00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:58,015 And they stole the truck, 420 00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:01,056 and they headed south with it... 421 00:24:04,484 --> 00:24:05,534 on this wild ride. 422 00:24:09,322 --> 00:24:11,832 And the truck ended up down in Louisiana. 423 00:24:13,869 --> 00:24:14,949 [Jerry] If you draw a map 424 00:24:15,036 --> 00:24:18,116 from Beaver Dam, Wisconsin to where it was found in Louisiana, 425 00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:20,206 it kind of runs right by Nebraska. 426 00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:25,014 They were able to make their way back up to Wisconsin, 427 00:24:25,088 --> 00:24:27,758 where they eventually got arrested for stealing this truck. 428 00:24:29,176 --> 00:24:30,176 It doesn't make sense. 429 00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:33,099 I had Matt Livers and Nick Sampson in jail, 430 00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:35,430 based upon Matt Livers' confession. 431 00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:39,770 How do these two kids from Wisconsin tie it together? 432 00:24:41,938 --> 00:24:43,358 I gotta figure this part out. 433 00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:47,187 How you doing? 434 00:24:47,527 --> 00:24:49,857 [Earl] So we went there and interviewed them. 435 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:57,040 So then you guys ended up with this truck. 436 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,210 [man] Yeah. 437 00:24:58,288 --> 00:24:59,828 [Earl] And where'd you go from there? 438 00:25:01,374 --> 00:25:04,964 [Jerry] Turns out Wayne's DNA is all over the pickup truck when they recover it. 439 00:25:06,004 --> 00:25:07,964 [man] Chicago area, and then we went... 440 00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:09,512 around. 441 00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:13,466 Then we somehow made it into that state. 442 00:25:14,387 --> 00:25:15,427 What state's that? 443 00:25:16,306 --> 00:25:17,846 [man] Nebraska. 444 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:19,273 [Jerry] They were able to get DNA 445 00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:21,981 off of Jessica Reid and Greg Fester, 446 00:25:22,062 --> 00:25:25,862 and the DNA then matched the DNA that had been found 447 00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:30,401 in the Stocks' front yard and the flashlight and a marijuana pipe. 448 00:25:31,738 --> 00:25:35,658 So do you want to talk to me for real, or do you want to keep playing this? 449 00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:37,409 [Bill] Tell them what happened. 450 00:25:39,746 --> 00:25:41,916 [Earl] Greg wasn't being very forthcoming with things 451 00:25:41,998 --> 00:25:43,998 and wasn't saying much of anything. 452 00:25:44,417 --> 00:25:45,287 But Jessica... 453 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,919 Jessica was a big piece. 454 00:25:48,004 --> 00:25:49,554 [man laughing] 455 00:25:49,631 --> 00:25:50,471 [clears throat] 456 00:25:53,134 --> 00:25:54,554 -[Bill] How are you? -I'm good. How are you? 457 00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:55,636 Good, thanks. 458 00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:57,558 [clears throat] 459 00:26:00,725 --> 00:26:01,845 Do I have to scoot over? 460 00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:04,515 You're good. Might get a little crowded in a second. 461 00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:07,859 [Jerry] At the point at which they're questioning her, 462 00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:09,941 they're searching her house. 463 00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:17,281 And they find a cigarette carton 464 00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:19,997 and it has a 12-gauge shotgun shell, 465 00:26:20,954 --> 00:26:23,214 similar to the ones found in the Stocks' house. 466 00:26:24,207 --> 00:26:26,667 And she has a little note that she's written. 467 00:26:28,461 --> 00:26:31,011 "We killed some people. I loved it. 468 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:33,509 If Greg doesn't want to, I'll do it again." 469 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:37,888 She now has admitted that she's a cold-blooded killer. 470 00:26:38,513 --> 00:26:41,733 [Bill] It's very important that you be totally honest with us 471 00:26:41,808 --> 00:26:44,138 and truthful about anything we ask you. 472 00:26:44,227 --> 00:26:45,517 Okay? Can you do that for us? 473 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:49,074 Can we skip through to those subjects, though? 474 00:26:49,149 --> 00:26:51,279 Because I have stuff to do at 12:30. 475 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,939 My grandma's coming into town, 476 00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:55,738 and I want to do this, but I want to do it a little bit faster, 477 00:26:55,822 --> 00:26:57,532 and I know this is gonna take forever. 478 00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:59,826 [Bill] Okay, can we have you for about an hour? 479 00:26:59,909 --> 00:27:01,119 [Jessica sighs] 480 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:03,155 I guess. 481 00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:04,496 -I guess. -Okay. 482 00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:07,457 Now it's game, set, match, 483 00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:11,422 regarding Jessica Reid and Greg Fester. 484 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:15,763 So you're driving down the road, looking for farmhouses to break into for cash. 485 00:27:15,842 --> 00:27:18,642 Pretty much, yeah, 'cause we were running out of gas and stuff. 486 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,220 You found $500 in cash 487 00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:22,385 -in this house. -Yeah, but I don't... 488 00:27:22,474 --> 00:27:25,354 I just remember taking the money, and then we just left. 489 00:27:25,435 --> 00:27:27,395 -Okay. -That's all I remember from this. 490 00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:29,227 Did you go anywhere else in the house? 491 00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:32,734 No, because why if you're gonna have $500? 492 00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:35,067 Be a smart criminal and take off right away. 493 00:27:35,612 --> 00:27:36,492 [Bill] Right. 494 00:27:39,115 --> 00:27:41,735 The reason I ask you is that the two people upstairs in their bed 495 00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:42,786 were shot to death. 496 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,369 And you're saying that me and Greg did it? 497 00:27:46,456 --> 00:27:49,996 What I'm telling you is you're telling us you're in this house, okay? 498 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,672 -Did you not tell-- -[Jessica sighs] Oh, my God! 499 00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:55,755 I've never killed anybody, okay? 500 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,010 I really didn't. This is so seriously-- 501 00:27:58,093 --> 00:27:59,803 [Bill] Yes, it is. That's why we're here. 502 00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:01,426 I took money. That's all I did. 503 00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:04,063 I swear to God, all I did was take money. 504 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:06,940 I don't want to go to jail for murder because I didn't do it! 505 00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:09,188 -[Bill] Slow down. -If Greg killed anybody, I don't know. 506 00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:10,810 If he did, I'm sorry. 507 00:28:10,897 --> 00:28:13,567 All I did was take $500. I don't know-- 508 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:16,070 Why were these people murdered? 509 00:28:16,152 --> 00:28:17,072 Oh, my God! 510 00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:19,243 [Earl] Hey, you need to listen to us for just a second. 511 00:28:19,322 --> 00:28:20,742 -[Bill] Slow down. -[Earl] All right? 512 00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:21,954 We need you to talk to us 513 00:28:22,033 --> 00:28:24,293 because we need to fit the pieces of this puzzle together, 514 00:28:24,744 --> 00:28:28,424 and you're telling us that you found this envelope of money just sitting there? 515 00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:30,458 There wasn't anybody else around? 516 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:32,542 It was just us, I swear to God. Okay. 517 00:28:32,627 --> 00:28:35,297 If you didn't kill somebody, who were you with that did? 518 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,420 -I don't know! -[Earl] Because it's that simple. 519 00:28:37,507 --> 00:28:39,757 [Jessica sighs] I don't know! 520 00:28:41,261 --> 00:28:45,431 [Earl] It was hard for me to sit there and go, "Okay, it doesn't make sense." 521 00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:47,305 How does two kids from Wisconsin... 522 00:28:48,643 --> 00:28:49,603 find this farmhouse... 523 00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:52,148 in the middle of nowhere in Nebraska? 524 00:28:55,775 --> 00:28:57,435 Well, the stars had to just kind of align 525 00:28:57,527 --> 00:29:00,777 that they found this house by magic. [chuckles] 526 00:29:02,449 --> 00:29:03,739 I don't believe in magic. 527 00:29:05,493 --> 00:29:07,543 I don't believe in coincidences either. 528 00:29:07,787 --> 00:29:09,747 [Bill] Do you know anybody in Nebraska? 529 00:29:10,498 --> 00:29:13,418 Stop at any bars, meet people and score any dope? 530 00:29:15,295 --> 00:29:16,335 No. 531 00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:17,916 Tell us who you were with. 532 00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:19,263 I was with Greg and... 533 00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:21,926 -That's all I was with. -[Earl] And who else? 534 00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:23,550 I was with Greg! 535 00:29:23,636 --> 00:29:25,096 [Bill] Anybody else? 536 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:27,680 I don't know anybody in Nebraska! 537 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:30,886 -[Bill] Where were you-- -I didn't even know I was in Nebraska. 538 00:29:31,936 --> 00:29:35,396 They start trying to make a connection between... 539 00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:38,324 Reid and Fester and... 540 00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:40,280 Matt and Nick. 541 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:44,490 I have no idea who that is. 542 00:29:44,574 --> 00:29:45,954 I am not even kidding you. 543 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:48,294 I've never seen that guy in my life. 544 00:29:48,703 --> 00:29:50,333 Nope, never seen him either. 545 00:29:53,666 --> 00:29:57,086 I've never seen any of these people that you're showing me right now. 546 00:29:58,963 --> 00:30:01,383 I'm not kidding any of you. 547 00:30:02,258 --> 00:30:03,258 Fingers are not crossed. 548 00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:04,933 I have no idea who they are. 549 00:30:07,514 --> 00:30:10,484 They're really grasping at straws now. 550 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,980 [Bill] I want you to focus on him for a second. 551 00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:16,401 Now, I want you to search deep, deep down inside 552 00:30:16,481 --> 00:30:18,481 and tell me if you recognize that guy. 553 00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:22,235 [Jessica sighs] 554 00:30:28,326 --> 00:30:31,446 I'd recognize him because he's got a weird head. 555 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:33,504 I don't know. 556 00:30:33,581 --> 00:30:36,331 You need to do better for yourself than this, Jessica. 557 00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:37,837 You really do. 558 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:41,629 I don't think you completely appreciate the gravity of the situation here. 559 00:30:43,174 --> 00:30:44,724 -I'm really-- -[Bill] This is like no trouble 560 00:30:44,801 --> 00:30:46,471 you've ever been in your life, 561 00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:47,803 for what's left of it. 562 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:50,853 This is how people get the electric chair, the gas chamber. 563 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:53,272 -[man] It doesn't get any worse than this. -[Bill] No worse. 564 00:30:53,351 --> 00:30:55,061 You need to take care of yourself, 565 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,770 or you will have no life. You will have none. 566 00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,066 It will be over. 567 00:30:59,148 --> 00:31:00,938 You have to tell us what happened. 568 00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:04,152 And that's what'll save you, and that's the only thing that'll save you. 569 00:31:08,241 --> 00:31:10,241 Well, I do remember meeting this guy. 570 00:31:11,327 --> 00:31:12,247 From what? 571 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,501 I just remember meeting him. I don't... 572 00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:18,212 -I don't know how-- -[Bill] You need to come up with details. 573 00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:19,293 [Jessica exhales deeply] 574 00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:20,747 -I know-- -Jessica, how old are you? 575 00:31:20,837 --> 00:31:23,917 I'm 17. This is why this is freaking me out! 576 00:31:24,007 --> 00:31:25,087 Well, guess what? 577 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:28,140 At 17, your life is going to be done 578 00:31:28,219 --> 00:31:30,389 unless you start being straightforward with us. 579 00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:33,641 [crickets chirping] 580 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:40,111 [Bill] You meet him in the parking lot of this bar, yes? 581 00:31:40,481 --> 00:31:41,731 [Jessica] That's when I met him. 582 00:31:42,483 --> 00:31:43,823 [Bill] Did he threaten you? 583 00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:45,989 [Jessica] All I want to say is, 584 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:48,700 and I don't want my name to be brought up, but... 585 00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:51,374 this guy is scary. 586 00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:54,001 -[Bill] Yeah, he's scary. We know that. -And if he did it... 587 00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:56,288 I don't know for sure if this guy did it, 588 00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:59,708 but if he did it, put him in jail. Please. 589 00:32:02,128 --> 00:32:06,218 [Earl] Jessica said that we met these guys at this bar in this little town. 590 00:32:07,508 --> 00:32:10,928 And I think, you know, alcohol combined with a bad attitude, 591 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:13,223 I think it all led into... 592 00:32:14,474 --> 00:32:15,894 "Well, hey," you know, 593 00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:18,725 "we want to shoot these people," and here's two people from out of state 594 00:32:18,811 --> 00:32:21,111 going, "Hey, we've got nothing to lose. We'll do it." 595 00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:26,530 [Jessica] Okay, we met up with these guys. 596 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:28,111 We snuck into the house. 597 00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:31,066 And I took the money, they shot somebody, 598 00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:33,617 and I left because I didn't know... 599 00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:36,788 I didn't even know they were gonna murder these people! 600 00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:39,121 And I remember we went in here, 601 00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:42,711 and I took the money, and then all of a sudden, 602 00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:44,884 I heard bang, bang, bang. 603 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:48,013 And I looked over at Greg and I said, "We need to go now." 604 00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:49,259 So we left. 605 00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:51,636 [Bill] You're doing a good job. 606 00:32:52,136 --> 00:32:54,676 Am I gonna be able-- Can I go home today, though? 607 00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:56,144 Don't worry about that right now. 608 00:32:56,891 --> 00:32:58,311 You need to focus on this. 609 00:32:58,643 --> 00:32:59,693 [Jessica] Why is it... 610 00:32:59,769 --> 00:33:02,609 Why did we have to meet those two people right there? 611 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:04,149 Why did we have to meet them? 612 00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:06,652 I'm serious. Why did we have to meet them? 613 00:33:06,734 --> 00:33:08,904 Now I can't go home again. 614 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,607 Now I'm stuck with detectives again. 615 00:33:17,245 --> 00:33:19,245 [woman] Jessica Reid. Greg Fester. 616 00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:22,786 They don't know where they are, they don't care where they are, 617 00:33:22,875 --> 00:33:27,665 and they certainly weren't led there by Matt and Nick at any point. 618 00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:30,295 I want to punch these guys so bad. 619 00:33:30,383 --> 00:33:32,843 If I end up in jail with them, or if I go to court with them, 620 00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:34,047 I'm gonna punch them both. 621 00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:37,267 I'll get a disorderly conduct. I don't even care. 622 00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:41,765 The investigators essentially managed to taint the interview 623 00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:46,023 in much the same way that they've done in Nebraska. 624 00:33:48,776 --> 00:33:52,906 When you have multiple interrogations conducted that way, 625 00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:55,319 it does become like a snowball, 626 00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:57,868 and it seems to gain momentum 627 00:33:57,952 --> 00:34:00,912 as you pick up additional participants. 628 00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:10,256 [Jessica] I don't even know. I just went along with it, 629 00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:12,429 and at first, I just picked people. 630 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:15,894 I guess I had picked out Nick Sampson 631 00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:17,390 and I didn't even mean to. 632 00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:19,682 It just started coming out. 633 00:34:22,101 --> 00:34:23,601 But at the end of the day, 634 00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:24,896 it didn't feel right. 635 00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:27,686 You can't just cover it up. 636 00:34:29,108 --> 00:34:30,898 I feel like if you've done something, 637 00:34:31,527 --> 00:34:32,817 you might as well own it. 638 00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:36,244 And that's what I did. 639 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:39,743 [Earl] The first time you even start to stray from me, 640 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,790 I've got all I need. I don't need to be sitting here right now talking to you. 641 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:46,750 So, you quit dancing around with me 642 00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:48,753 because I know the truth. 643 00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:50,756 I am not kidding you guys. 644 00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:53,554 We were the only ones there! 645 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,890 -I don't know any of those other people. -You're lying! 646 00:34:55,968 --> 00:34:56,928 I am not lying. 647 00:34:57,011 --> 00:34:59,931 I swear to God, I don't know any of those other people. 648 00:35:00,389 --> 00:35:01,719 You have a nice rest of your life, 649 00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:04,438 -what's left of it. -No, you guys, seriously! 650 00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,399 Listen to me. I don't know those other people, okay? 651 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,820 I have no idea who they were. 652 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:10,898 It was me and Greg by ourselves. 653 00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:12,861 [Bill] You are so full of crap. 654 00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:15,114 [man] And you're done and so am I. 655 00:35:15,196 --> 00:35:17,196 That's what happened, though! 656 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,830 We'll see you in Nebraska. 657 00:35:20,409 --> 00:35:22,449 -Are you kidding me? -No, we're not kidding you. 658 00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:24,577 I tell you guys the story and I'm-- 659 00:35:24,705 --> 00:35:26,575 [Bill] You told us a story, but it wasn't all the truth. 660 00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:27,576 [Earl] It was a story. 661 00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:30,627 -[man] The last thing I'll explain-- -Well, who was supposed to be there? 662 00:35:30,711 --> 00:35:32,631 Who was supposed to be there? 663 00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:35,173 -Who else was supposed to be there? -Shut up. 664 00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:36,588 We have people in jail in Nebraska 665 00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:38,466 that have confessed to their involvement too, 666 00:35:38,553 --> 00:35:41,013 so you can't tell me-- No, don't look at me that way. 667 00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:42,927 -You can't tell me-- -Oh, my God! 668 00:35:43,015 --> 00:35:44,515 Just put me in my cell. 669 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,060 I'm just gonna sit there for the rest of my life. 670 00:35:47,478 --> 00:35:49,898 [chuckles] Because this is... Wow. 671 00:35:57,822 --> 00:36:00,122 [Julie] We were progressing toward trial. 672 00:36:02,326 --> 00:36:05,286 So we had a discovery deadline. 673 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,329 I had this makeshift office set up in the basement of my house, 674 00:36:10,418 --> 00:36:14,128 and I was spending about 12 hours a day just watching video. 675 00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:17,086 I remember it was a Sunday night, 676 00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:19,835 and it was about eleven o'clock at night, 677 00:36:19,969 --> 00:36:24,469 and I put in a DVD that's labeled "Livers 2." 678 00:36:29,604 --> 00:36:32,274 And I see him in orange. 679 00:36:32,899 --> 00:36:36,029 [man] If you've got something on your mind, let me know about it. 680 00:36:36,652 --> 00:36:39,112 -It's best just to come right out with it. -[Matt] Yeah. 681 00:36:42,074 --> 00:36:44,834 The hair stood up on the back of my neck. 682 00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,329 This is something I haven't seen before. 683 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:56,050 -Okay. I mean, absolute truth here. -[Matt] Okay. 684 00:36:56,631 --> 00:36:58,631 I was never on the scene. 685 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:02,683 I don't know if Nick is the actual person involved in this. 686 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:04,062 I've been... 687 00:37:04,138 --> 00:37:08,018 just making things up to satisfy you guys. 688 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:09,060 I mean, I'm... 689 00:37:10,603 --> 00:37:13,363 I can't believe they're even coming out of my own mouth, 690 00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:14,936 to be honest. 691 00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:20,952 [Julie] It turns out he actually had recanted the confession the next day. 692 00:37:25,618 --> 00:37:28,408 -[Matt] That's the whole-- -You're jerking me around now. 693 00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:30,116 -[Matt] No, sir. -No, you are. 694 00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:31,206 -[Matt] No, sir. -I'm telling you, 695 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:34,630 yesterday there was absolutely no doubt you are involved in this. 696 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:38,050 But now you're gonna pull a "I'm jerking you guys around" deal? 697 00:37:39,548 --> 00:37:40,378 I mean... 698 00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:43,680 I wish I would have said that from the beginning. 699 00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:48,893 [Julie] I was simultaneously ecstatic 700 00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:54,685 for Matt that he had the wherewithal at some point in this nightmare 701 00:37:54,772 --> 00:37:57,362 to have told them he wasn't involved, 702 00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:01,737 and I'm just ruthlessly pissed at, you know, 703 00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:05,491 the fact that this is almost six months later 704 00:38:05,574 --> 00:38:07,584 and I'm seeing this for the first time. 705 00:38:13,207 --> 00:38:14,707 The blood was the hangup. 706 00:38:15,167 --> 00:38:17,587 Had there not been the blood in the car, 707 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:19,300 they then could have said, 708 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,720 "Man, you're right. There's a false confession." 709 00:38:24,176 --> 00:38:26,256 I was convinced the evidence was planted, 710 00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:29,931 but I wasn't gonna point the finger at who I thought it was 711 00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:32,136 'cause I didn't have enough information. 712 00:38:32,226 --> 00:38:34,346 But there were three prime suspects: 713 00:38:34,437 --> 00:38:37,227 the two lead detectives and Kofoed. 714 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:41,532 [man] ...guilty of the crime as charged. 715 00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:44,410 Count one: tampering with physical evidence. 716 00:38:44,488 --> 00:38:47,528 [reporter] That's what the judge decided David Kofoed did: 717 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:50,996 plant evidence that bolstered the case against defendants, 718 00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:52,868 losing sight of his real job, 719 00:38:52,955 --> 00:38:54,575 which was to find the truth. 720 00:38:55,499 --> 00:38:56,919 [interviewer] So, in one sentence, 721 00:38:57,376 --> 00:38:59,996 what happened with the speck of blood in the Contour? 722 00:39:00,629 --> 00:39:03,339 It was well after the fact. I was trying to figure out how it got there 723 00:39:03,424 --> 00:39:06,644 'cause I didn't believe it was... I was... 'Cause I didn't... 724 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,849 [stuttering] I mean, I wasn't... I didn't plant evidence. 725 00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:12,770 I was never gonna pin it on somebody else to do that. 726 00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:14,270 Maybe somebody else did it, 727 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,562 and it could have been all kinds of people. I didn't... 728 00:39:16,812 --> 00:39:19,272 That was in our biohazard room... 729 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:21,228 and... 730 00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:28,451 The guy's just a dirty cop. 731 00:39:31,035 --> 00:39:34,655 He was like a painter who had to leave his signature on each case. 732 00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:38,376 I don't think he ever intended to frame the innocent. 733 00:39:38,959 --> 00:39:42,549 But I think that where he thought there was somebody who was really guilty, 734 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:44,590 he had no compunction against... 735 00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:46,339 just a little piece. 736 00:39:47,676 --> 00:39:49,926 Because it was all gonna end up with a plea. 737 00:39:50,805 --> 00:39:52,175 Until Wisconsin. 738 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,640 Wisconsin was the wild card. 739 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:00,186 [reporter] We begin this midday in Cass County, 740 00:40:00,272 --> 00:40:03,152 where charges have been dismissed against a second suspect 741 00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:04,864 in the murder of a Murdock couple. 742 00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:06,954 Like his cousin Nicholas Sampson before him, 743 00:40:07,029 --> 00:40:09,869 this morning, charges were dismissed against Matthew Livers. 744 00:40:10,282 --> 00:40:13,042 I'm innocent. I had absolutely nothing to do with this. 745 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,869 [reporter] Matt Livers is anxious to start living again. 746 00:40:15,955 --> 00:40:18,705 After more than half a year spent in the Cass County jail, 747 00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:21,041 Livers is once again a free man. 748 00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:25,841 Matt perceived the officers and the interrogation 749 00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:30,390 as a threat to his life, and as a consequence, he made up a story. 750 00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:36,933 This was given to me by a photographer at the World Herald. 751 00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:40,477 I think Sarah and his folks got a hug before I did, 752 00:40:40,563 --> 00:40:43,403 but I was definitely in line for a big hug. 753 00:40:54,743 --> 00:40:57,083 [reporter] In other news, there will be no second chances 754 00:40:57,163 --> 00:40:59,043 for two young adults from Wisconsin. 755 00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:00,373 A Cass County judge 756 00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:02,288 sentenced 20-year-old Gregory Fester 757 00:41:02,376 --> 00:41:05,706 and 18-year-old Jessica Reid to two life sentences each, 758 00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:08,216 both pleading guilty to murdering Wayne and Sharmon Stock 759 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,389 in their farmhouse near Murdock in April of 2006. 760 00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:22,806 [Nick] I've never cowered away from all this. 761 00:41:23,397 --> 00:41:26,937 And even after I got out of jail, you know, I still stuck around Murdock. 762 00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:31,663 Right back to where I grew up at 763 00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:33,284 because it's home. 764 00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:37,747 But Matt couldn't come back. 765 00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:40,371 There was a little bit more... 766 00:41:41,707 --> 00:41:42,787 hatred. 767 00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:47,876 Maybe hatred's the wrong word, but... 768 00:41:48,923 --> 00:41:53,143 a lot more more dislike and discontent to have Matt back there, 769 00:41:54,803 --> 00:41:58,223 simply because of the rumors and what the family thinks. 770 00:42:02,686 --> 00:42:03,846 I kind of... 771 00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:06,267 think about it, you know? 772 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:11,400 That one false confession could have left me in jail for the rest of my life. 773 00:42:25,584 --> 00:42:28,174 Those guys got paid and they got away with a homicide. 774 00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:29,424 How fair is that? 775 00:42:32,132 --> 00:42:34,092 Wayne and Sharmon Stock, they were the victims. 776 00:42:34,176 --> 00:42:36,046 The fact that those guys are still walking free, 777 00:42:36,136 --> 00:42:37,176 that pisses me off. 778 00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:42,687 Yeah, there are two kids that are spending the rest of their lives in jail. 779 00:42:43,143 --> 00:42:45,603 But there should be other people there with them. 780 00:42:47,064 --> 00:42:48,524 Matt Livers should be in prison, 781 00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:50,277 Nick Sampson should be in prison 782 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:51,899 and probably his brother Will. 783 00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:58,368 A lot of people have disputed my confession, 784 00:42:58,450 --> 00:43:00,450 saying that I led him down a primrose path 785 00:43:00,536 --> 00:43:03,206 and I fed him answers and that he's some kind of simple-minded fool 786 00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:04,999 that could be led down that way. 787 00:43:05,332 --> 00:43:06,382 He wasn't lying. 788 00:43:07,126 --> 00:43:08,376 He looked right at me, 789 00:43:09,503 --> 00:43:12,013 as sure as you're looking at me right now. 790 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,640 As far as I am concerned, Matt Livers' confession 791 00:43:23,142 --> 00:43:26,232 makes him just as guilty as the DNA on that ring.