1
00:02:26,446 --> 00:02:28,914
A lot of my friends
were police officers.

2
00:02:28,915 --> 00:02:30,883
In fact, in '77,

3
00:02:30,884 --> 00:02:33,285
I went through SWAT survival
with the LAPD.

4
00:02:33,286 --> 00:02:35,120
I don't care.
Get those men by the stairs.

5
00:02:35,121 --> 00:02:36,222
Now. Hit it.

6
00:02:38,057 --> 00:02:40,492
And so I wanted this role,

7
00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:42,962
because all my friends
would love it.

8
00:02:44,564 --> 00:02:45,764
There were two roles.

9
00:02:45,765 --> 00:02:48,567
Ah, the SWAT Commander
and SWAT Captain at the time.

10
00:02:48,568 --> 00:02:51,904
I got the SWAT Captain.
SWAT Captain worked three days.

11
00:02:51,905 --> 00:02:53,972
The SWAT Commander
had two weeks.

12
00:02:53,973 --> 00:02:56,608
I called and I said,
"Can I come in a day early?"

13
00:02:56,609 --> 00:02:57,843
We're not gonna pay
for your hotel room

14
00:02:57,844 --> 00:02:59,978
at the Hyatt Regency
in Dallas, Texas.

15
00:02:59,979 --> 00:03:01,113
What's your rate?

16
00:03:01,114 --> 00:03:02,414
$35 a night.

17
00:03:02,415 --> 00:03:04,283
I'm coming in two nights early.

18
00:03:04,284 --> 00:03:06,685
I came in two nights early
and Miguel Ferrer,

19
00:03:06,686 --> 00:03:07,986
he was a young kid,

20
00:03:07,987 --> 00:03:09,955
hanging out
at Dean Martin's house,

21
00:03:09,956 --> 00:03:11,957
when I did security
for Dean Martin.

22
00:03:11,958 --> 00:03:12,659
And I saw him.

23
00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:13,660
He says, "Oh Michael,

24
00:03:13,661 --> 00:03:15,360
I'm having drinks
with Ed Neumeier tonight.

25
00:03:15,361 --> 00:03:16,662
Why don't you come by?"

26
00:03:16,663 --> 00:03:17,963
And I met them.

27
00:03:17,964 --> 00:03:19,031
We had drinks together,

28
00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:20,532
and Ed's looking at me,
and he says,

29
00:03:20,533 --> 00:03:23,035
"You know, Verhoeven loved you
for both roles.

30
00:03:23,036 --> 00:03:24,536
Let me talk to him."

31
00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:25,804
The next day,

32
00:03:25,805 --> 00:03:29,041
they paid the other actor
for two or three weeks' work.

33
00:03:29,042 --> 00:03:30,542
Told him to stay home,

34
00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:32,945
and I got the role
of Lieutenant Hedgecock,

35
00:03:32,946 --> 00:03:36,281
which was a combination
of the... the two roles.

36
00:03:36,282 --> 00:03:38,785
I always tell young actors,
"Always go in early."

37
00:03:41,387 --> 00:03:43,288
That scene was shot outside
the exterior

38
00:03:43,289 --> 00:03:44,690
of the old Dallas courthouse.

39
00:03:44,691 --> 00:03:46,658
Former city councilman
Ron Miller,

40
00:03:46,659 --> 00:03:48,160
entered City Hall with a gun.

41
00:03:48,161 --> 00:03:50,629
He's now on the second floor
holding Mayor Gibson

42
00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:52,497
and his staff hostage.

43
00:03:52,498 --> 00:03:53,832
My role, back then,

44
00:03:53,833 --> 00:03:55,834
was originally written
as off-screen.

45
00:03:55,835 --> 00:03:57,035
But then they realized that

46
00:03:57,036 --> 00:03:59,538
it's gonna be too interesting
not to show it, so...

47
00:03:59,539 --> 00:04:01,673
We cut and did an interior shot.

48
00:04:01,674 --> 00:04:04,243
So, that's where the role
expanded.

49
00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:06,011
Lieutenant, what's next?

50
00:04:06,012 --> 00:04:08,513
We wait, Terrorism
is a very tricky business.

51
00:04:08,514 --> 00:04:10,716
It's one of those scenes
where there is a crowd scene,

52
00:04:10,717 --> 00:04:11,750
and there's this,
and there's that.

53
00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:13,919
And Robo comes up.

54
00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,822
He was in full regalia
and it was like,

55
00:04:16,823 --> 00:04:19,825
my first interaction with Peter.

56
00:04:19,826 --> 00:04:21,593
To see him move like that,
it was like,

57
00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:23,762
I was looking
at the real RoboCop.

58
00:04:23,763 --> 00:04:25,364
Where the hell do you think
you're going?

59
00:04:25,365 --> 00:04:26,999
Keep him talking.

60
00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,200
Just the way he moved,

61
00:04:28,201 --> 00:04:30,570
it was like,
"Oh, look at that."

62
00:04:33,673 --> 00:04:35,274
Paul is very giving
with his actors.

63
00:04:35,275 --> 00:04:37,209
He said to me, "Alright,
these are your prisoners.

64
00:04:37,210 --> 00:04:38,377
What do you want
to do with them?"

65
00:04:38,378 --> 00:04:39,778
I said, "I want 'em
kneeling down here

66
00:04:39,779 --> 00:04:40,779
with their legs crossed behind

67
00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:42,347
and their hands
behind their head."

68
00:04:42,348 --> 00:04:44,082
He goes,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."

69
00:04:44,083 --> 00:04:45,117
And one of 'em will be dead.

70
00:04:45,118 --> 00:04:46,385
And you need to put a guy
on the ground

71
00:04:46,386 --> 00:04:47,786
that he's already killed.

72
00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:49,254
And then he got a squirt bottle
of blood.

73
00:04:49,255 --> 00:04:51,723
He was painting it
like Jackson Pollock.

74
00:04:51,724 --> 00:04:53,364
But the guy had to lay there
all day long.

75
00:04:54,927 --> 00:04:57,396
As a joke, they go,
"Do you wanna be an extra?"

76
00:04:57,397 --> 00:04:59,031
And I said, "Sure."

77
00:04:59,032 --> 00:05:01,099
And so, they put me in makeup.

78
00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:02,100
And put me in wardrobe.

79
00:05:02,101 --> 00:05:03,935
I didn't know
what I was gonna do.

80
00:05:03,936 --> 00:05:07,273
And I end up being
the Mayor's assistant.

81
00:05:08,941 --> 00:05:11,410
And for the nine years
I worked with Paul,

82
00:05:11,411 --> 00:05:14,646
he kept throwing me
little bones in his movies,

83
00:05:14,647 --> 00:05:15,981
which was fun.

84
00:05:15,982 --> 00:05:17,549
In terms of my character,

85
00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:19,451
there was no ad-libbing
whatsoever.

86
00:05:19,452 --> 00:05:20,820
All those lines were written.

87
00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:26,625
The fact that
they turned out funny,

88
00:05:26,626 --> 00:05:28,493
I think it's a tribute
to the writers.

89
00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:30,629
The line was first,
"Don't fuck with me."

90
00:05:30,630 --> 00:05:32,464
First, don't fuck with me!

91
00:05:32,465 --> 00:05:33,765
I'm a desperate man.

92
00:05:33,766 --> 00:05:35,567
Second,
I want some fresh coffee.

93
00:05:35,568 --> 00:05:36,968
And third, I want a recount.

94
00:05:36,969 --> 00:05:38,837
And no matter how the vote
turns out,

95
00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:40,238
I want my old job back.

96
00:05:40,239 --> 00:05:42,240
He's making all those demands
in that office.

97
00:05:42,241 --> 00:05:44,009
And I want this and I want that.

98
00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:45,478
And I want whatever, you know.

99
00:05:48,748 --> 00:05:50,749
How about an SUX 6000?

100
00:05:50,750 --> 00:05:53,686
How about the uh, 6000 SUX?

101
00:05:57,523 --> 00:05:58,458
Yeah!

102
00:05:58,459 --> 00:05:59,524
Okay, sure!

103
00:05:59,525 --> 00:06:00,926
With reclining leather seats,

104
00:06:00,927 --> 00:06:02,661
those get really shitty
gas mileage.

105
00:06:02,662 --> 00:06:04,129
What about cruise control?

106
00:06:04,130 --> 00:06:05,697
Does it come
with cruise control?

107
00:06:05,698 --> 00:06:08,133
As I read that,
I just cracked up.

108
00:06:08,134 --> 00:06:10,602
I kept saying it,
"This guy is...

109
00:06:10,603 --> 00:06:11,937
This guy is wigged out."

110
00:06:11,938 --> 00:06:13,805
That just...

111
00:06:13,806 --> 00:06:15,607
That scene just rang to me,

112
00:06:15,608 --> 00:06:18,878
of the lunacy of uh,
American politics.

113
00:06:23,783 --> 00:06:25,317
He was characterized as being

114
00:06:25,318 --> 00:06:26,718
the guy who had
the mayor held hostage

115
00:06:26,719 --> 00:06:28,286
and had been there
for three days.

116
00:06:28,287 --> 00:06:30,055
Lieutenant, don't jerk me off!

117
00:06:30,056 --> 00:06:32,023
I had eaten all the candy out
of all the machines

118
00:06:32,024 --> 00:06:33,558
in the office, theoretically.

119
00:06:33,559 --> 00:06:35,293
And had a sugar buzz going.

120
00:06:35,294 --> 00:06:36,495
So, I was really hyper.

121
00:06:36,496 --> 00:06:37,797
You wanna see?

122
00:06:39,699 --> 00:06:42,567
At the same time that we were
doing RoboCop,

123
00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:45,471
I think Joel Hynek
was working on Predator.

124
00:06:46,706 --> 00:06:49,307
Predator had actual real thermal
vision in it.

125
00:06:49,308 --> 00:06:50,575
And honestly,

126
00:06:50,576 --> 00:06:52,577
I didn't even know that there
was such a thing, you know.

127
00:06:52,578 --> 00:06:53,912
If I'd known that,

128
00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:56,381
they were actually doing
real thermal vision,

129
00:06:56,382 --> 00:06:58,183
I might have gone down
that avenue.

130
00:06:58,184 --> 00:06:59,251
But as it is,

131
00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:03,155
I just got these leotards
and spray-painted them

132
00:07:03,156 --> 00:07:05,891
with spray paint
to look like a thermal effect,

133
00:07:05,892 --> 00:07:08,226
and then had people dress up
in those,

134
00:07:08,227 --> 00:07:09,694
shot them against black,

135
00:07:09,695 --> 00:07:12,564
and then composited that
into some overlays

136
00:07:12,565 --> 00:07:13,533
of the mayor's office.

137
00:07:13,534 --> 00:07:15,567
The wall and stuff like that.

138
00:07:15,568 --> 00:07:17,569
Get up, Your Honor.
Get up! Get up!

139
00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:18,870
Your public wants to see you.

140
00:07:18,871 --> 00:07:21,940
Pulling up to the window
by his tie was my idea.

141
00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:23,708
The Las Colinas was a studio out

142
00:07:23,709 --> 00:07:25,210
between Dallas and Fort Worth,

143
00:07:25,211 --> 00:07:26,511
where they shot the interiors.

144
00:07:26,512 --> 00:07:29,114
Nobody ever takes me seriously.

145
00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:30,949
Well, get serious now!

146
00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:33,251
And kiss
the mayor's ass goodbye.

147
00:07:33,252 --> 00:07:36,188
I had to go through the wall
four times.

148
00:07:36,189 --> 00:07:39,357
Two from the front side
and two from the back side.

149
00:07:39,358 --> 00:07:40,926
And I was pretty beat up
at the time.

150
00:07:40,927 --> 00:07:42,360
And the crew kept saying,
"Don't do anymore.

151
00:07:42,361 --> 00:07:44,197
Don't do anymore.
They're killing ya."

152
00:07:49,101 --> 00:07:51,636
Paul had 'em score the wall,
so I can get through it.

153
00:07:51,637 --> 00:07:53,806
And then RoboCop punches
through on both sides.

154
00:07:54,874 --> 00:07:56,808
They see me go through,
fire the machine gun.

155
00:07:56,809 --> 00:07:58,210
It was a mini Uzi.

156
00:07:58,211 --> 00:08:00,712
Holding the thing all day long,
scene after scene.

157
00:08:00,713 --> 00:08:02,714
Got to be a bit heavy.

158
00:08:02,715 --> 00:08:05,318
Then they stood me up
and punched me out the window.

159
00:08:11,891 --> 00:08:13,725
There was another external shot
to the building

160
00:08:13,726 --> 00:08:16,661
where I was walking down
the stairs with an assistant

161
00:08:16,662 --> 00:08:18,797
who had a box full
of the contents of my desk

162
00:08:18,798 --> 00:08:21,099
since I had been voted out
of office.

163
00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:22,667
And they didn't use that,

164
00:08:22,668 --> 00:08:25,237
because they cut
to the news thing instead,

165
00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:26,838
which worked better I think.

166
00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:29,241
RoboCop, who is he?
What is he?

167
00:08:29,242 --> 00:08:30,775
Where did he come from?

168
00:08:30,776 --> 00:08:32,677
He is OCP's newest soldier

169
00:08:32,678 --> 00:08:35,347
in their revolutionary
crime management program.

170
00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:38,183
Mixing the politics,
and action, and satire,

171
00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:41,586
I think we in some ways
got there first.

172
00:08:41,587 --> 00:08:43,822
More fighting
in the Mexican crisis today.

173
00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:46,091
The guiding principles were
that Detroit was sort

174
00:08:46,092 --> 00:08:48,760
of a western town
that needed to be cleaned up.

175
00:08:48,761 --> 00:08:50,328
There was a larger world,

176
00:08:50,329 --> 00:08:53,765
but the border stopped
at the edge of Delta City,

177
00:08:53,766 --> 00:08:55,700
and the larger world
was only the media breaks.

178
00:08:55,701 --> 00:08:58,370
So, we never had to deal
with a larger context

179
00:08:58,371 --> 00:08:59,504
than the western town.

180
00:08:59,505 --> 00:09:01,373
Excuse me, Robo,
any special message...

181
00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:03,308
And the sheriff character,
RoboCop,

182
00:09:03,309 --> 00:09:05,277
whose task it was
to clean it up.

183
00:09:05,278 --> 00:09:07,012
Stay out of trouble.

184
00:09:07,013 --> 00:09:08,980
They were the glue that got you

185
00:09:08,981 --> 00:09:11,349
to the plot points
so brilliantly.

186
00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:12,285
You're on your own.

187
00:09:12,285 --> 00:09:13,152
They were funny.

188
00:09:13,152 --> 00:09:14,152
It's a lot of jungle.

189
00:09:15,855 --> 00:09:19,791
They were really well crafted
kind of in your face,

190
00:09:19,792 --> 00:09:25,297
progressively liberal insights
into um, you know these kind of

191
00:09:25,298 --> 00:09:28,967
really pretty heavy handed
statements on where we were.

192
00:09:28,968 --> 00:09:31,303
Reporting a city wide strike
by police.

193
00:09:31,304 --> 00:09:33,305
This is a movie being made.

194
00:09:33,306 --> 00:09:35,540
And written during Reagan.

195
00:09:35,541 --> 00:09:37,909
It's Reaganomics,
and it is trickled down.

196
00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:40,345
And it is like you have to

197
00:09:40,346 --> 00:09:43,481
take government out of it
and put business in it.

198
00:09:43,482 --> 00:09:46,518
I say good business
is where you find it.

199
00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,253
And you got the old man
saying that.

200
00:09:48,254 --> 00:09:49,688
We're taking it over.

201
00:09:49,689 --> 00:09:52,591
Old Detroit has a cancer.

202
00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:54,092
The cancer is crime.

203
00:09:54,093 --> 00:09:55,560
We're gonna make this Detroit.

204
00:09:55,561 --> 00:09:57,495
This is the new Detroit.

205
00:09:57,496 --> 00:09:58,530
Delta City.

206
00:09:58,531 --> 00:09:59,698
This is our town.

207
00:09:59,699 --> 00:10:02,334
This riffraff is done. Right?

208
00:10:02,335 --> 00:10:04,235
Except they're controlling
the riffraff, too.

209
00:10:04,236 --> 00:10:08,940
This constant battle between uh,
the rulers and the 99%,

210
00:10:08,941 --> 00:10:10,609
was something I think
we understood,

211
00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:12,410
along with
the police officer's strike.

212
00:10:12,411 --> 00:10:14,245
Labor versus management.

213
00:10:14,246 --> 00:10:15,914
They got job security.

214
00:10:15,915 --> 00:10:17,682
They're not supposed to strike.

215
00:10:17,683 --> 00:10:19,951
Historians now say that
the 80s in America

216
00:10:19,952 --> 00:10:21,286
were a tipping point.

217
00:10:21,287 --> 00:10:23,021
The economy in America
was booming,

218
00:10:23,022 --> 00:10:25,357
but it was booming
under false pretenses.

219
00:10:25,358 --> 00:10:27,425
Our productivity is up.

220
00:10:27,426 --> 00:10:30,729
So, is our manufacturing
product up.

221
00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:33,064
People were going
into debt massively.

222
00:10:33,065 --> 00:10:34,899
So, is the United States.

223
00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:38,203
As I say, I don't think
anyone should panic.

224
00:10:38,204 --> 00:10:40,271
And it all started
to go downhill after that.

225
00:10:40,272 --> 00:10:42,474
And RoboCop's right
in the middle of that.

226
00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:44,275
I always characterized RoboCop

227
00:10:44,276 --> 00:10:46,444
as comic relief
for a cynical decade.

228
00:10:46,445 --> 00:10:48,713
Because we'd had eight years
of Ronald Reagan

229
00:10:48,714 --> 00:10:50,649
and obviously we killed him
in Santa Barbara

230
00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:51,883
at his retirement home.

231
00:10:51,884 --> 00:10:53,385
Two former United States
Presidents

232
00:10:53,386 --> 00:10:55,587
who had retired
in the Santa Barbara area.

233
00:10:55,588 --> 00:10:56,721
No one said,

234
00:10:56,722 --> 00:10:59,557
"Ooh, that's too over the edge
or over the top.

235
00:10:59,558 --> 00:11:01,726
Or too critical of the system.

236
00:11:01,727 --> 00:11:03,294
So, thank God we were at Orion.

237
00:11:03,295 --> 00:11:05,930
You know, and Mike Medavoy
was kind of a gun slayer.

238
00:11:05,931 --> 00:11:07,098
He was a risk taker.

239
00:11:07,099 --> 00:11:08,067
You can't stand the heat.

240
00:11:08,068 --> 00:11:09,334
You better stay out
of the kitchen.

241
00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:13,138
The video world was
a completely separate world.

242
00:11:13,139 --> 00:11:15,273
And if you watch
the commercials,

243
00:11:15,274 --> 00:11:17,075
we shot with a Betacam.

244
00:11:17,076 --> 00:11:19,344
The urban politics
that are in the movie

245
00:11:19,345 --> 00:11:21,312
had this kind of Reaganomics,
I think.

246
00:11:21,313 --> 00:11:24,182
I couldn't identify
with the people

247
00:11:24,183 --> 00:11:25,483
very much at all.

248
00:11:25,484 --> 00:11:26,584
I mean, the Americans.

249
00:11:26,585 --> 00:11:28,019
You picked the heart.

250
00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:30,922
I was more amazed and... and...
and I'd say,

251
00:11:30,923 --> 00:11:33,425
the film is expressing
my amazement.

252
00:11:33,426 --> 00:11:35,527
I remember Verhoeven
being there and...

253
00:11:35,528 --> 00:11:38,430
and directing the sequences,
and he didn't really care,

254
00:11:38,431 --> 00:11:40,965
if he's embarrassing you
in front of everybody or not.

255
00:11:40,966 --> 00:11:43,535
And remember, we care.

256
00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:44,536
Paul told me, he says,

257
00:11:44,537 --> 00:11:46,304
"I'm not here making
a science-fiction movie.

258
00:11:46,305 --> 00:11:48,473
I'm making a movie
about America today."

259
00:11:48,474 --> 00:11:50,275
In principle, it's a dystopia.

260
00:11:50,276 --> 00:11:51,443
Yes, of course.

261
00:11:51,444 --> 00:11:54,779
But in the movie, it's...
it's presented as a utopia.

262
00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:56,514
He's got his finger
on the pulse.

263
00:11:56,515 --> 00:11:57,716
Red Alert!

264
00:11:57,717 --> 00:11:58,983
Red Alert!

265
00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:00,018
Red Alert!

266
00:12:00,019 --> 00:12:01,987
You crossed my line of death.

267
00:12:03,122 --> 00:12:05,223
You haven't dismantled
your MX stockpile.

268
00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:07,492
Pakistan is threatening
my border!

269
00:12:07,493 --> 00:12:11,696
The spoofy commercials
they were kind of the insight

270
00:12:11,697 --> 00:12:15,533
into the thematic structure
of the movie really.

271
00:12:15,534 --> 00:12:18,470
That's it, buster.
No more military aid.

272
00:12:18,471 --> 00:12:20,171
You can see the jokes and say,

273
00:12:20,172 --> 00:12:22,707
"Gosh, that kind of strikes
close to home."

274
00:12:22,708 --> 00:12:23,709
Nukem.

275
00:12:25,811 --> 00:12:26,978
Nukem.

276
00:12:26,979 --> 00:12:28,847
Get them before they get you.

277
00:12:28,848 --> 00:12:31,082
And some of the commercials
and the jokes that are there

278
00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:32,684
are very much a sign
of the times.

279
00:12:32,685 --> 00:12:35,421
Um, it's got a tremendous wit.

280
00:12:39,058 --> 00:12:41,059
We got this call
to do this car commercial,

281
00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:42,427
and they wanted
a sexy commercial.

282
00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:43,728
So, we said, "Okay, we'll
come up with something."

283
00:12:43,729 --> 00:12:45,230
They wanted a dinosaur in it.

284
00:12:45,231 --> 00:12:48,333
And the reference they gave us
was Beast From 20,000 Fathoms.

285
00:12:48,334 --> 00:12:50,935
Yeah,
Ray Harryhausen's '50s movie.

286
00:12:50,936 --> 00:12:51,871
When you cut to it,

287
00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:53,938
it was a monster burst
into the frame.

288
00:12:53,939 --> 00:12:55,441
People running and screaming.

289
00:12:58,077 --> 00:13:00,011
I sculpted the dinosaur figure

290
00:13:00,012 --> 00:13:03,081
and we made a cast foam rubber
animation puppet,

291
00:13:03,082 --> 00:13:04,616
with a ball and socket armature.

292
00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:07,118
The extras running away
from the dinosaur.

293
00:13:07,119 --> 00:13:08,119
That's all us.

294
00:13:10,256 --> 00:13:12,257
They were gonna cut it out
of the movie.

295
00:13:12,258 --> 00:13:15,627
The editor did not know where
to put the clip.

296
00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:17,362
If I didn't think that
something was gonna be,

297
00:13:17,363 --> 00:13:19,597
not gonna be...
I wouldn't even cut it.

298
00:13:19,598 --> 00:13:20,932
And Jon Davison said,

299
00:13:20,933 --> 00:13:23,468
"Well, just cut it in anywhere.
Just cut it in the movie."

300
00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:26,371
He says,
"Please, please cut it, Frank."

301
00:13:26,372 --> 00:13:27,972
I said, "Okay, I'll cut it.

302
00:13:27,973 --> 00:13:29,274
I'll put it in."

303
00:13:29,275 --> 00:13:30,276
It's back.

304
00:13:31,277 --> 00:13:32,310
Big is back.

305
00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:33,878
Because bigger is better.

306
00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,650
6,000 SUX,
an American tradition.

307
00:13:38,918 --> 00:13:41,152
And the audience absolutely
loved it.

308
00:13:41,153 --> 00:13:43,221
And he was... you know, I said,
"You're right, Jon.

309
00:13:43,222 --> 00:13:44,890
I would have a big mistake."

310
00:13:46,926 --> 00:13:49,227
When you think about
the structure of the first act

311
00:13:49,228 --> 00:13:52,130
in which the police officer
is tortured, murdered.

312
00:13:52,131 --> 00:13:54,732
Rebuilt
as a robotic police officer.

313
00:13:54,733 --> 00:13:57,002
He solves
three stupendous crimes.

314
00:13:58,237 --> 00:13:59,838
And when that first
media break hits,

315
00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,940
the audience is delirious.

316
00:14:01,941 --> 00:14:03,741
They are absolutely out
of their minds,

317
00:14:03,742 --> 00:14:06,812
because you've given them
the birth of a hero.

318
00:14:08,948 --> 00:14:10,181
There's a new guy in town.

319
00:14:10,182 --> 00:14:11,649
His name's RoboCop.

320
00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:12,684
And then,

321
00:14:12,685 --> 00:14:15,787
this media farce about
strange advertising,

322
00:14:15,788 --> 00:14:16,788
news breaks,

323
00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:19,457
you kind of let the audience
laugh at you.

324
00:14:19,458 --> 00:14:20,792
- It's for you.
- Go Robo!

325
00:14:20,793 --> 00:14:22,093
So, I think
there's something rhythmic

326
00:14:22,094 --> 00:14:23,828
about that a lot like music.

327
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:25,965
That you let the audience...

328
00:14:27,099 --> 00:14:30,101
Exhale into a new kind of form,

329
00:14:30,102 --> 00:14:32,503
and then you start
the story again.

330
00:14:32,504 --> 00:14:35,039
Hey, hey, hey, Bobby Boy,
Vice President.

331
00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,307
Congratulations.

332
00:14:36,308 --> 00:14:37,542
The studio was
pretty freaked out

333
00:14:37,543 --> 00:14:39,677
about how much
the movie was costing.

334
00:14:39,678 --> 00:14:41,613
And they weren't seeing...
they saw dailies.

335
00:14:41,614 --> 00:14:43,848
But they weren't really seeing
the movie.

336
00:14:43,849 --> 00:14:45,116
Welcome to the club, Bob.

337
00:14:45,117 --> 00:14:47,852
They were contemplating
pulling the plug,

338
00:14:47,853 --> 00:14:51,990
and the story I heard was,
they said cut together ah,

339
00:14:51,991 --> 00:14:55,827
a really good scene
for us to show to investors.

340
00:14:55,828 --> 00:14:58,162
And they cut together
the bathroom scene.

341
00:14:58,163 --> 00:15:00,365
Let me in
on the bottom line, pal.

342
00:15:00,366 --> 00:15:02,734
I hear Jones was plenty pissed.

343
00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:05,303
So, they asked me if I could get
a set done for them.

344
00:15:05,304 --> 00:15:07,572
Something that they could shoot
in a key scene,

345
00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:09,574
showing the dynamics
of the characters.

346
00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:10,909
Let's face it,
he's lost his teeth.

347
00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:11,976
The guy's a pussy.

348
00:15:11,977 --> 00:15:13,311
We started building this set,

349
00:15:13,312 --> 00:15:16,381
which was pretty complicated,
structurally interesting set.

350
00:15:16,382 --> 00:15:17,916
And we built, and built,
and built.

351
00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:19,417
And we didn't stop for,

352
00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:22,720
I think it was 36 hours,
we built straight.

353
00:15:22,721 --> 00:15:24,422
He's old, we're young.

354
00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:25,657
And that's life.

355
00:15:25,658 --> 00:15:26,858
We got it done.

356
00:15:26,859 --> 00:15:28,927
Paint was still drying
in places.

357
00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:30,228
But they walked
and they had to shoot,

358
00:15:30,229 --> 00:15:31,096
and they shot it.

359
00:15:31,097 --> 00:15:32,398
It's in the picture.

360
00:15:33,832 --> 00:15:35,099
Miguel and I,

361
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,403
the first time we really met
was in that bathroom scene.

362
00:15:38,404 --> 00:15:40,104
You've insulted me,

363
00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:41,506
and you've insulted this company

364
00:15:41,507 --> 00:15:43,374
with that bastard creation
of yours.

365
00:15:43,375 --> 00:15:48,179
When we first got there,
Miguel was adamant.

366
00:15:48,180 --> 00:15:52,183
I mean adamant
about me not grabbing his hair.

367
00:15:52,184 --> 00:15:53,251
'Cause he thought

368
00:15:53,252 --> 00:15:56,421
that was sort of invading
his space as an actor.

369
00:15:56,422 --> 00:15:58,389
And he didn't wanna have
to deal with that.

370
00:15:58,390 --> 00:16:00,124
Pretty simple math, huh pal?

371
00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:01,626
And he said, "Well, I don't know
what I'm gonna do."

372
00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:02,860
I said, "Okay.

373
00:16:02,861 --> 00:16:05,229
You react the way you react
and we'll go from that.

374
00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:07,131
We'll see what happens
from that."

375
00:16:07,132 --> 00:16:12,637
You just fucked with wrong guy.

376
00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:14,605
Are you out
of your fucking mind?

377
00:16:14,606 --> 00:16:16,975
See, in a way, for Dick Jones
not to do that

378
00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:20,411
would be anathema to who he was.

379
00:16:20,412 --> 00:16:21,879
See, that's the other thing.

380
00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,915
And I understand Miguel's
point of view.

381
00:16:23,916 --> 00:16:28,219
Miguel's point of view is,
"I gotta protect my character."

382
00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:29,754
Absolutely.

383
00:16:29,755 --> 00:16:32,490
But I have
to protect my character, too.

384
00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:34,993
You better pray.

385
00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:38,230
That that unholy monster
of yours doesn't screw up.

386
00:16:39,131 --> 00:16:40,298
And it worked.

387
00:16:40,299 --> 00:16:43,936
Once they saw a cut sequence,
they... they got it.

388
00:16:50,476 --> 00:16:53,344
Initially, I'm twirling a gun,
and Nancy Allen

389
00:16:53,345 --> 00:16:54,146
will remember me.

390
00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:55,346
She says, "Murphy, is that you?"

391
00:16:55,347 --> 00:16:57,615
And then something else happens
with Paul McCrane,

392
00:16:57,616 --> 00:16:58,450
and then...

393
00:16:58,451 --> 00:16:59,918
Then I started having dreams.

394
00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:02,520
Verhoeven reversed this!

395
00:17:02,521 --> 00:17:03,821
Verhoeven said, "No!"

396
00:17:03,822 --> 00:17:05,257
The dreams, first!

397
00:17:10,095 --> 00:17:12,663
Verhoeven's sitting
in a suite with me saying,

398
00:17:12,664 --> 00:17:15,933
"Look, you have these dreams
first.

399
00:17:15,934 --> 00:17:17,802
Because this is not amnesia.

400
00:17:17,803 --> 00:17:21,206
This is your soul waking up.

401
00:17:22,207 --> 00:17:24,008
It is the one thing,

402
00:17:24,009 --> 00:17:26,944
that in the name of progress
and science,

403
00:17:26,945 --> 00:17:28,679
they can't take it away
from you.

404
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,049
They've taken away
your identity.

405
00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:34,118
They've taken away your life,
your physical life.

406
00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,722
But they can't take away
his soul."

407
00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:39,725
And that wakes up on it's own.

408
00:17:41,126 --> 00:17:43,494
And then it's like,
"Get... let me

409
00:17:43,495 --> 00:17:45,564
the fuck out!"

410
00:17:47,332 --> 00:17:49,033
Then all of a sudden,
he becomes a beast.

411
00:17:49,034 --> 00:17:51,869
Hey look, bucket boy's online.

412
00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:54,540
And his soul trying
to define itself.

413
00:17:59,044 --> 00:18:01,145
What in God's name would
this movie have been

414
00:18:01,146 --> 00:18:02,580
without Verhoeven?

415
00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,715
I did not understand
the profound depth of this.

416
00:18:04,716 --> 00:18:06,517
And nobody could have this movie
but Verhoeven.

417
00:18:06,518 --> 00:18:07,718
Let's get this loud and clear.

418
00:18:07,719 --> 00:18:10,254
If you hadn't given that
to an American action director,

419
00:18:10,255 --> 00:18:12,323
no matter how talented they are,

420
00:18:12,324 --> 00:18:14,927
they'd never dug
what Paul dug out of that thing.

421
00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:17,395
It has some other level,

422
00:18:17,396 --> 00:18:20,331
telling you something about
possibility of the human soul

423
00:18:20,332 --> 00:18:22,066
to survive everything.

424
00:18:22,067 --> 00:18:23,201
So, it's on two levels.

425
00:18:23,202 --> 00:18:25,570
I think it's an action picture,
and it's a...

426
00:18:25,571 --> 00:18:27,005
it's a picture about human soul.

427
00:18:29,408 --> 00:18:32,009
That is the crux.

428
00:18:32,010 --> 00:18:33,945
And then I'm off,
walking down the hall.

429
00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:35,613
And that was a blast.

430
00:18:35,614 --> 00:18:36,948
What the hell is going on?

431
00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:38,516
I don't know. He just left.

432
00:18:38,517 --> 00:18:39,917
Just left?

433
00:18:39,918 --> 00:18:43,454
'Cause all of a sudden,
the guy wants to know,

434
00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:46,390
not the robot anymore,
but the guy.

435
00:18:46,391 --> 00:18:49,393
I haven't really had a chance
to introduce myself.

436
00:18:49,394 --> 00:18:50,796
I'm Anne Lewis.

437
00:18:52,764 --> 00:18:53,799
Do you have a name?

438
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,868
People say, "Well, how did you
relate to him?"

439
00:18:56,869 --> 00:19:00,905
Well, what was great was that
with that tiny little strip,

440
00:19:00,906 --> 00:19:03,641
you could just see
an eyelash move.

441
00:19:03,642 --> 00:19:06,077
How can I help you,
Officer Lewis?

442
00:19:06,078 --> 00:19:07,945
But it really gave me something
to work with.

443
00:19:07,946 --> 00:19:09,380
To constantly be looking,

444
00:19:09,381 --> 00:19:11,549
trying to find his eyes
for a minute.

445
00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:13,718
And Peter's
such a wonderful actor.

446
00:19:13,719 --> 00:19:15,286
I mean, there was just...

447
00:19:15,287 --> 00:19:16,454
you know sometimes I look
at him.

448
00:19:16,455 --> 00:19:19,257
"Is there anyone...
is there anyone there?"

449
00:19:19,258 --> 00:19:23,828
So, I think because of
how good he is at his job,

450
00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:26,564
it made it really easy for me.

451
00:19:26,565 --> 00:19:27,932
She was fun, you know.

452
00:19:27,933 --> 00:19:30,735
She was just so giving
to it, man.

453
00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:32,436
"Murphy, it's you.
Murphy, it's you."

454
00:19:32,437 --> 00:19:34,273
Can't ever get over that.
It's heartbreaking.

455
00:19:35,908 --> 00:19:38,443
Murphy, it's you.

456
00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:42,446
Ah, what a sad movie.

457
00:19:42,447 --> 00:19:44,282
You know, RoboCop
is essentially,

458
00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:46,284
extraordinarily sad.

459
00:19:46,285 --> 00:19:48,486
You really don't remember me,
do you?

460
00:19:48,487 --> 00:19:50,354
Excuse me?

461
00:19:50,355 --> 00:19:52,290
I have to go.

462
00:19:52,291 --> 00:19:54,025
"Somewhere there's a crime
happening",

463
00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:56,027
is a line that I think
Paul wanted to cut,

464
00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:58,297
or somebody wanted to cut,
but I wanted to say it.

465
00:19:59,298 --> 00:20:01,366
Somewhere there is a crime
happening.

466
00:20:02,367 --> 00:20:05,603
Which is like the existential,
RoboCop man, you know.

467
00:20:05,604 --> 00:20:07,004
That's my mission, man.

468
00:20:07,005 --> 00:20:08,539
That's my raison d'etre,

469
00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,100
that somewhere
there is crime happening.

470
00:20:11,543 --> 00:20:14,045
It was set up from the beginning
to pick him

471
00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:15,780
to be the fall guy for this.

472
00:20:15,781 --> 00:20:18,649
And there wasn't any sense
of ever having

473
00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:20,384
to put the genie back
in the bottle.

474
00:20:20,385 --> 00:20:22,220
What did you talk to him about?

475
00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:24,388
- What did you say?
- Nothing.

476
00:20:24,389 --> 00:20:29,460
It was just this greedy,
selfish myopic sensibility

477
00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:33,698
of everybody wanting
their moment.

478
00:20:33,699 --> 00:20:36,234
He doesn't have a name.
He's got a program.

479
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,301
He's product.

480
00:20:37,302 --> 00:20:38,669
It's an interesting study

481
00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:41,573
in the realities
of a lot of human nature.

482
00:20:47,145 --> 00:20:48,980
It was an abandoned gas station,

483
00:20:48,981 --> 00:20:50,548
and when we first applied
for a permit,

484
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:52,550
they said, "No, absolutely not."

485
00:20:52,551 --> 00:20:55,186
Meanwhile, the mayor had said,
"Come to Dallas.

486
00:20:55,187 --> 00:20:56,354
You gotta come here.

487
00:20:56,355 --> 00:20:58,089
It'd be great", you know,
so we got on the phone.

488
00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:59,824
We working it out
with our people.

489
00:20:59,825 --> 00:21:02,326
And talked them
into letting us do it.

490
00:21:02,327 --> 00:21:04,996
Give me all your money bookworm
or I'll blow your brains out.

491
00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:07,698
It's not often that you have
someone who really loves

492
00:21:07,699 --> 00:21:10,735
and knows how to talk to actors
and encourages performances.

493
00:21:10,736 --> 00:21:11,902
And in the way that Paul did.

494
00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:12,671
And he really did.

495
00:21:12,672 --> 00:21:14,106
Don't do nothing stupid, man.

496
00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:19,777
So, my experience on that scene
was that he was encouraging you

497
00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:21,846
to have fun and try things,
and we did.

498
00:21:21,847 --> 00:21:23,614
And some of them worked
and some of 'em didn't.

499
00:21:23,615 --> 00:21:24,882
And he was fine with both.

500
00:21:24,883 --> 00:21:27,219
Hey man,
what you reading in there?

501
00:21:29,621 --> 00:21:31,622
"You a college boy
or something?"

502
00:21:31,623 --> 00:21:34,559
You a college boy
or something, huh?

503
00:21:35,927 --> 00:21:38,229
Robo shows up, expressionless,

504
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:40,898
you know almost lifeless,
machine-like.

505
00:21:40,899 --> 00:21:42,066
Drop it.

506
00:21:42,067 --> 00:21:44,568
You have to choose the places
we're in.

507
00:21:44,569 --> 00:21:47,538
Slowly but surely,
humanity seeps out.

508
00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:50,775
Dead or alive,
you're coming with me.

509
00:21:50,776 --> 00:21:53,144
And then it's born out
in a physical reality

510
00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:54,445
with Paul McCrane saying,

511
00:21:54,446 --> 00:21:56,047
I know you.

512
00:21:56,048 --> 00:21:59,417
And he really woke up
to what the definition

513
00:21:59,418 --> 00:22:02,887
of this film was
as I was doing the part, man.

514
00:22:02,888 --> 00:22:05,056
You're dead.

515
00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:06,324
We killed you!

516
00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:07,558
We killed you,

517
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,228
and he himself had the feeling
there was something.

518
00:22:11,229 --> 00:22:12,730
There is past in my life,

519
00:22:12,731 --> 00:22:15,099
which I don't know exactly
anymore.

520
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:20,071
But the audience get a feeling
that inside of this machine,

521
00:22:20,072 --> 00:22:21,840
there is still Murphy.

522
00:22:24,242 --> 00:22:27,144
Paul had a desire to do
exaggerated explosions.

523
00:22:27,145 --> 00:22:29,614
Really, really hyper-violent
kind of things.

524
00:22:32,417 --> 00:22:34,819
I know some
of the special effects folks.

525
00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:36,354
They had a little issue
with Paul.

526
00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,856
My sense was that Verhoeven
was frustrated

527
00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:41,425
at some of the level
of special effects.

528
00:22:41,426 --> 00:22:43,194
We'd be setting up
for something,

529
00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:44,295
and he would say,

530
00:22:44,296 --> 00:22:46,163
"You know, that's really kinda
over the top."

531
00:22:46,164 --> 00:22:47,798
Where he'd say,
"Of course, you can't do it.

532
00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,034
Of course, you can't.
Of course, you can't.

533
00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:52,636
Of course, you can't do it.
Of course, we understand."

534
00:22:52,637 --> 00:22:55,473
Then the crew responding with
"Okay.

535
00:22:55,474 --> 00:22:57,476
Sure, we'll fo...
we'll work that out."

536
00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:03,681
Steve Lim and Paul Verhoeven
did not get along at all.

537
00:23:03,682 --> 00:23:06,016
They were just
at each other's throats.

538
00:23:06,017 --> 00:23:08,119
In fact, Paul just stopped
talking to him,

539
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,820
just to ignore him
after a while.

540
00:23:09,821 --> 00:23:13,057
He would bait the... the US crew

541
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:15,226
and was smart enough
to really know how

542
00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:16,994
to get under people's skin.

543
00:23:16,995 --> 00:23:18,295
Paul would always say,

544
00:23:18,296 --> 00:23:20,332
"Anyway, we have fucked,
I suppose."

545
00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:23,134
You know, he'd say that
fairly often,

546
00:23:23,135 --> 00:23:24,235
and you know,
anything went wrong.

547
00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:25,736
"We're fucked. We're fucked",
you know.

548
00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:27,538
"You guys are fooked.

549
00:23:27,539 --> 00:23:29,807
You guys are so bad,
you can't do this,

550
00:23:29,808 --> 00:23:32,243
you know, and it's like,
"Well, fuck you Paul.

551
00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:34,412
How many special effects shows
have you done?"

552
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,514
There were times
when we got into it.

553
00:23:36,515 --> 00:23:39,517
See, every call sheet
has a cartoon on it,

554
00:23:39,518 --> 00:23:43,254
that was drawn by Steve Lim.
The assistant director.

555
00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:45,689
He was rubbing us the wrong way,

556
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:48,159
and that's part of the reason
why I did the cartoons.

557
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,561
And it kind of got popular
with the crew,

558
00:23:50,562 --> 00:23:51,929
and it helped me,

559
00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:55,366
and it helped us vent
this sort of unusual project.

560
00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:58,736
Paul pushed the envelope so much
especially in terms

561
00:23:58,737 --> 00:24:01,505
of effects and safety.

562
00:24:01,506 --> 00:24:04,742
It was much more visceral
than a lot of movies had been.

563
00:24:04,743 --> 00:24:07,511
For me, it's more important
to have a great image

564
00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:10,448
than to be
in a really safe position.

565
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:11,782
Yeah, that's...
Yeah, you know.

566
00:24:11,783 --> 00:24:13,117
Paul wanted the set to be...

567
00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:14,218
Boom.

568
00:24:14,219 --> 00:24:15,220
Huge.

569
00:24:16,888 --> 00:24:20,791
I didn't have a clue how big
that was going to be.

570
00:24:20,792 --> 00:24:21,792
Action!

571
00:24:23,428 --> 00:24:24,628
They built the suit.

572
00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:27,731
I think it's made out of some
kind of non-flammable.

573
00:24:27,732 --> 00:24:29,934
It wasn't the same suit
as the regular one.

574
00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:32,303
And it weighed about
twice as much.

575
00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:35,806
So, I had a internal
air system designed,

576
00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:37,107
so I could breathe.

577
00:24:37,108 --> 00:24:39,543
And so I had about five minutes
of air,

578
00:24:39,544 --> 00:24:41,979
and they designed a mask for me.

579
00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:45,483
Every step I took,
they had propane cannons.

580
00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:48,085
And as the propane cannons
were going off,

581
00:24:48,086 --> 00:24:50,088
I just had to count my steps.

582
00:24:52,657 --> 00:24:54,225
After the gas station explosion,

583
00:24:54,226 --> 00:24:55,960
they were almost ready
to shut us down.

584
00:24:55,961 --> 00:24:59,563
The fire marshals, the cops,
everybody.

585
00:24:59,564 --> 00:25:00,465
Fire trucks came.

586
00:25:00,465 --> 00:25:01,399
I mean, the city was like,

587
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,666
"What the fuck
are you guys doing?"

588
00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:03,502
"Oh, nothing.

589
00:25:03,503 --> 00:25:04,603
Just shooting a film."

590
00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:09,173
I was talking to them
and trying to just say,

591
00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:11,308
"Wow, that was... You know,
it's over.

592
00:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,978
And everything's okay, you know.

593
00:25:13,979 --> 00:25:15,312
The fire's out."

594
00:25:15,313 --> 00:25:16,680
Out of the corner of my eye,

595
00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:20,251
I see Jost Vacano
driving towards Verhoeven

596
00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:21,452
and I walk over there,

597
00:25:21,453 --> 00:25:24,154
and I hear Jost Vacano
tell Paul Verhoeven

598
00:25:24,155 --> 00:25:26,357
that the explosion
wasn't big enough

599
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:28,526
to be recorded on film.

600
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,495
And I wanted to kill him.

601
00:25:31,429 --> 00:25:32,430
Oops.

602
00:25:34,466 --> 00:25:38,369
I had specifically tried
to get a Shell gas station

603
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:39,470
blowing up,

604
00:25:39,471 --> 00:25:42,006
popping off the S,
so, we see flames and hell.

605
00:25:42,007 --> 00:25:44,208
Jon Davison cleared the name.

606
00:25:44,209 --> 00:25:45,277
They did it all.

607
00:25:47,178 --> 00:25:48,445
The effects people
rendered it perfectly,

608
00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:50,848
and then Paul didn't put it
in the film.

609
00:25:50,849 --> 00:25:54,318
So, that's about the only thing
I think I would have changed

610
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:55,153
if I'd been around.

611
00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:56,453
I would have started yelling.

612
00:25:56,454 --> 00:25:57,856
Maybe I would have been fired.

613
00:26:00,191 --> 00:26:01,559
The motorcycle gag.

614
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,895
I shot close-ups of the thug
on his motorcycle,

615
00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:06,497
looking back at the fire,

616
00:26:06,498 --> 00:26:08,966
which was simulated
by using a fire bar.

617
00:26:08,967 --> 00:26:10,368
They were shooting out flames.

618
00:26:12,537 --> 00:26:14,905
When I go sort of flying off
that bike,

619
00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:16,073
that's a stunt guy.

620
00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:17,474
I remember those stunt guys
very well.

621
00:26:17,475 --> 00:26:18,542
They were... they were great.

622
00:26:18,543 --> 00:26:21,646
And uh, really, really brave.

623
00:26:25,984 --> 00:26:28,352
Part of it was
him going up to it

624
00:26:28,353 --> 00:26:31,221
and then the other part of
is they headed on a track.

625
00:26:31,222 --> 00:26:33,592
And they pulled it into the car.

626
00:26:36,394 --> 00:26:39,263
We had a dummy
in the actual impact shot.

627
00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:41,999
Because
that was pretty dangerous.

628
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,834
One of the things that sets
RoboCop apart

629
00:26:43,835 --> 00:26:45,235
from a lot of pictures,

630
00:26:45,236 --> 00:26:47,838
is that you have great empathy
for the lead character.

631
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:49,873
Who are you?

632
00:26:49,874 --> 00:26:52,209
So, Murphy is
the ultimate victim.

633
00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:54,079
Who are you?

634
00:26:54,746 --> 00:26:55,913
And it's not,

635
00:26:55,914 --> 00:26:57,047
let's just say existentially,
there's no victims.

636
00:26:57,048 --> 00:26:58,283
There's only volunteers.

637
00:26:59,351 --> 00:27:02,219
He begins to have a taste of uh,

638
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:06,123
what was once his humanity
and it confuses him.

639
00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:07,691
And curiously enough,

640
00:27:07,692 --> 00:27:10,861
he starts off on a road
of not only vengeance,

641
00:27:10,862 --> 00:27:15,399
but a road on rediscovering
what it was to be human.

642
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,267
To me,
I become an audience member.

643
00:27:17,268 --> 00:27:18,936
I stop being a member
of the crew.

644
00:27:18,937 --> 00:27:23,307
I was so invigorated
and exhilarated,

645
00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:25,042
because the rhythms of it,

646
00:27:25,043 --> 00:27:27,277
the intelligence
that was in that movie

647
00:27:27,278 --> 00:27:29,813
Murphy, it's you.

648
00:27:29,814 --> 00:27:31,915
Murphy, it's you.

649
00:27:31,916 --> 00:27:36,620
In the name of getting
that bad guy off the street.

650
00:27:36,621 --> 00:27:37,988
We're gonna take
an innocent dude

651
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:39,790
and turn him into a robot.

652
00:27:39,791 --> 00:27:40,924
Yeah.

653
00:27:40,925 --> 00:27:43,461
Think of that.
It's like uh, frightening.

654
00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:55,840
Somebody came up
with a storyboard.

655
00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:02,946
There was a scene where RoboCop
is at his own grave.

656
00:28:02,947 --> 00:28:05,015
It was an idea that
we'd all talked about,

657
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:07,284
because it's an iconic idea.

658
00:28:07,285 --> 00:28:10,854
You know, "Oh my God.
A man seeing his own grave."

659
00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:12,856
And the idea of a robot looking
at a grave.

660
00:28:12,857 --> 00:28:13,992
It's at mercy.

661
00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:18,095
And perhaps, I argued
to keep that scene,

662
00:28:18,096 --> 00:28:19,863
and Ed did, too.

663
00:28:19,864 --> 00:28:22,299
And I kept trying
to get it in the movie.

664
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:25,302
But I can understand why Paul
wouldn't want it there.

665
00:28:25,303 --> 00:28:28,872
Because Paul
is the metaphysicist, you see.

666
00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:30,641
And you don't want
the physical evidence

667
00:28:30,642 --> 00:28:33,610
of the guy that preceded
RoboCop.

668
00:28:33,611 --> 00:28:36,046
Right? The physical evidence
is gone.

669
00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:37,448
That's the whole thing.

670
00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:39,717
So, I get it
why Paul didn't want a grave.

671
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:41,952
And it just never fell
in any place.

672
00:28:41,953 --> 00:28:44,488
It didn't seem to be part
of RoboCop's journey.

673
00:28:44,489 --> 00:28:46,824
The house ended up being
what you needed

674
00:28:46,825 --> 00:28:48,460
and it was complex enough.

675
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:56,300
I felt that the flashback scene
when he goes to the house.

676
00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:58,001
That was probably
the most important scene

677
00:28:58,002 --> 00:28:59,503
in that movie.

678
00:28:59,504 --> 00:29:03,173
Because what it does
is humanize this robot.

679
00:29:03,174 --> 00:29:04,641
It is the movie.

680
00:29:04,642 --> 00:29:07,712
It certainly is the movie,
is going home.

681
00:29:11,316 --> 00:29:14,352
My scenes were at a home here
in Dallas.

682
00:29:15,353 --> 00:29:16,353
I read it

683
00:29:16,521 --> 00:29:18,555
and the whole premise seemed
really interesting to me.

684
00:29:18,556 --> 00:29:20,190
And I thought,

685
00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:22,393
"Gosh, am I the only nice person
in this film?"

686
00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:25,363
Besides Alex Murphy.

687
00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:28,165
Welcome, shopper.

688
00:29:28,166 --> 00:29:30,501
Let's take a stroll
through your new home.

689
00:29:30,502 --> 00:29:36,073
I felt that RoboCop should
reflect some vulnerability,

690
00:29:36,074 --> 00:29:39,077
so that the audience can
identify with him.

691
00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:42,446
Can you do that, dad?

692
00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:44,915
There was so much pathos
in the character, RoboCop

693
00:29:44,916 --> 00:29:48,285
and you really felt
for this... this man.

694
00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:50,087
I mean, really you felt for him.

695
00:29:50,088 --> 00:29:52,256
What would it be like
to be trapped

696
00:29:52,257 --> 00:29:54,758
in that body, that machine?

697
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,961
Seeing the beautiful life
that he had before

698
00:29:57,962 --> 00:30:01,698
with his lovely wife,
with his lovely child.

699
00:30:01,699 --> 00:30:03,433
And it's all gone.

700
00:30:03,434 --> 00:30:05,702
You are RoboCop going
through that house,

701
00:30:05,703 --> 00:30:11,942
going, "If I cannot remember
the Halloween,

702
00:30:11,943 --> 00:30:15,079
when he was 10,
what is it really worth?"

703
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:18,715
And that's the tragedy of it.

704
00:30:18,716 --> 00:30:22,085
I hadn't met Peter yet
when I did my scene.

705
00:30:22,086 --> 00:30:24,621
I met him afterwards.

706
00:30:24,622 --> 00:30:26,557
I mean, for years
people have said,

707
00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:28,892
"Oh, you know your part
made me cry.

708
00:30:28,893 --> 00:30:30,794
And it really touched me."

709
00:30:30,795 --> 00:30:33,163
I really have
to tell you something.

710
00:30:33,164 --> 00:30:35,300
I really have
to tell you something.

711
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:38,670
I love you.

712
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:41,138
Everything was to my face,

713
00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:42,739
and I'm talking to the camera.

714
00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:45,242
When he puts the camera
on my face,

715
00:30:45,243 --> 00:30:50,013
I mean the lens was on my face,
before they cut.

716
00:30:50,014 --> 00:30:51,815
When I first saw,
it brought to my eyes,

717
00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:54,318
'cause all of a sudden she fades
and then they do the wide shot.

718
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,987
And he's blown in this deserted,

719
00:30:56,988 --> 00:30:58,522
sterilized home.

720
00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:02,426
The feeling process was
very important

721
00:31:02,427 --> 00:31:05,863
and we tried to instill it
within the rhythm

722
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:07,331
of each movement.

723
00:31:07,332 --> 00:31:11,768
If he was sad, it was slower
and softer.

724
00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:14,304
If he was angry,
it would have been

725
00:31:14,305 --> 00:31:17,341
a little bit faster
and more powerful.

726
00:31:17,342 --> 00:31:20,878
So, we tried
to build the emotional content

727
00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:23,647
into the rhythm of the gesture.

728
00:31:23,648 --> 00:31:25,282
Why not make me an offer?

729
00:31:25,283 --> 00:31:26,283
I...

730
00:31:26,284 --> 00:31:27,684
The TV monitor was set up

731
00:31:27,685 --> 00:31:29,953
and they actually had
a push ramp

732
00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:33,523
with a section of Robo's hand
and forearm.

733
00:31:33,524 --> 00:31:36,360
They, out of camera,
actually had a steel bar

734
00:31:36,361 --> 00:31:38,495
and they just rammed it
into the TV set.

735
00:31:38,496 --> 00:31:39,496
Go!

736
00:31:46,704 --> 00:31:49,340
I remember the night they shot
at the Starck Club.

737
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:54,745
We were encouraged to go on set
and look.

738
00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:56,380
'Cause I mean, you know we were
starting to figure,

739
00:31:56,381 --> 00:31:57,815
this was gonna be a big deal.

740
00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:01,084
It was a real disco.

741
00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:04,321
Even the lights were
a little bit extended by us,

742
00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:07,725
but it mainly, it was all of
the same situation.

743
00:32:09,327 --> 00:32:12,229
Um, very hot dark,
steamy night club.

744
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:13,897
Before I started
to do the scene,

745
00:32:13,898 --> 00:32:16,667
I didn't realize there were
any bare breasts in the scene.

746
00:32:16,668 --> 00:32:17,835
But there were.

747
00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:21,371
Which made it infinitely
more interesting to me,

748
00:32:21,372 --> 00:32:23,607
as I was doing it.

749
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:25,376
The playback was the same music.

750
00:32:29,914 --> 00:32:32,582
♪ Show yourself to her ♪

751
00:32:32,583 --> 00:32:34,885
Peter was having trouble seeing
going down the stairs,

752
00:32:34,886 --> 00:32:35,953
'cause they were fairly steep.

753
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:39,523
And that visor on the helmet
was like sunglass.

754
00:32:39,524 --> 00:32:40,891
So, it was a real problem.

755
00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:41,925
He was concerned about,

756
00:32:41,926 --> 00:32:44,528
like taking a tumble down
these stairs.

757
00:32:44,529 --> 00:32:46,798
I remember Paul being
very hands on.

758
00:32:48,099 --> 00:32:50,701
He put himself
in the nightclub scene,

759
00:32:50,702 --> 00:32:51,735
when he's like, "Aaah".

760
00:32:51,736 --> 00:32:53,904
You remember that
in the movie, yeah?

761
00:32:53,905 --> 00:32:55,973
And then Robo coming up
behind me,

762
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,208
and then you know,
doing the crazy dance.

763
00:32:58,209 --> 00:33:00,812
Where is Clarence Boddicker?

764
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,148
And my little nervous giggles.

765
00:33:06,284 --> 00:33:08,218
Leon's not too smart up here.

766
00:33:08,219 --> 00:33:11,889
You know, kicking Robo
into a steel groin.

767
00:33:13,725 --> 00:33:15,058
Not too smart.

768
00:33:15,059 --> 00:33:16,994
And then he grabbed me
by the hair.

769
00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:17,962
Let's talk.

770
00:33:17,963 --> 00:33:20,731
He just barely held
on to my hair.

771
00:33:20,732 --> 00:33:24,668
I clamped on to his wrist
and held on for dear life.

772
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:27,005
And then all he did
was just pull me.

773
00:33:28,639 --> 00:33:30,107
Same as a good baseball player.

774
00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:31,275
It's all in the wrist.

775
00:33:34,145 --> 00:33:34,979
Take.

776
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:36,179
Go back that, backwards.

777
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:37,781
- Are you okay?
- 257 take Six.

778
00:33:37,782 --> 00:33:38,982
- Unbelievable.
- One more time.

779
00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:40,317
- Yes.
- Marker.

780
00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:42,086
- You think?
- Oh, this is good blow.

781
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:45,088
You guys are unbelievable.

782
00:33:45,089 --> 00:33:47,090
Paul Verhoeven has like
an energy

783
00:33:47,091 --> 00:33:47,992
and a magic to him.

784
00:33:47,993 --> 00:33:49,126
And you could tell
this was a scene

785
00:33:49,127 --> 00:33:50,327
that he really liked.

786
00:33:50,328 --> 00:33:51,328
And action!

787
00:33:51,329 --> 00:33:52,529
- Gonna love this.
- Come on. Ready?

788
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:53,498
- Here we go.
- Okay.

789
00:33:53,499 --> 00:33:54,499
- One more time. Go.
- Go.

790
00:33:54,499 --> 00:33:55,499
Ah.

791
00:33:57,301 --> 00:33:59,503
There's just something
about the way it sells.

792
00:33:59,504 --> 00:34:01,004
Back then,
there was place on Sunset

793
00:34:01,005 --> 00:34:02,472
where they sold
all leather dresses,

794
00:34:02,473 --> 00:34:03,640
so the customer met me there,

795
00:34:03,641 --> 00:34:05,142
and I got this green
leather dress,

796
00:34:05,143 --> 00:34:06,977
and I thought it was the coolest
thing on earth,

797
00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:08,345
until I got to Texas,

798
00:34:08,346 --> 00:34:10,514
and it felt like I was
in a green cow.

799
00:34:10,515 --> 00:34:12,883
Don't wear leather
in Dallas, Texas.

800
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:14,284
It was so hot.

801
00:34:14,285 --> 00:34:16,486
It turns me on.

802
00:34:16,487 --> 00:34:19,456
It was a beautiful,
very modern house in Dallas.

803
00:34:19,457 --> 00:34:21,191
So, they flew us there.

804
00:34:21,192 --> 00:34:23,360
And so when I got there on set,

805
00:34:23,361 --> 00:34:28,365
I saw these piles of powder
on the coffee table in lines

806
00:34:28,366 --> 00:34:31,069
and straws, and I panicked.

807
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,870
It looked just like cocaine.

808
00:34:33,871 --> 00:34:37,841
Everybody asks me,
"Was it cocaine?"

809
00:34:37,842 --> 00:34:39,076
It wasn't in the budget.

810
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:40,744
I mean...

811
00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:42,712
Bob, come on.

812
00:34:42,713 --> 00:34:44,481
Save some for me.

813
00:34:44,482 --> 00:34:46,316
And you know, in each take,

814
00:34:46,317 --> 00:34:49,886
I snorted a whole line
of powdered sugar.

815
00:34:49,887 --> 00:34:52,656
Sometimes, I could just think
of something.

816
00:34:52,657 --> 00:34:56,059
And it could just get me
so horny.

817
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:57,260
Miguel Ferrer,

818
00:34:57,261 --> 00:34:59,729
he came up to me very seriously,

819
00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:01,064
and he was a little nervous.

820
00:35:01,065 --> 00:35:02,099
And he said,

821
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,435
"I would like to apologize
in advance,

822
00:35:05,436 --> 00:35:07,571
in case I get aroused.

823
00:35:07,572 --> 00:35:11,074
And in case I don't."

824
00:35:11,075 --> 00:35:13,009
And I thought, it was just,

825
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:16,079
"What an incredible
human being."

826
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:16,948
Yeah, well uh,

827
00:35:16,949 --> 00:35:19,616
a mind is a terrible thing
to waste.

828
00:35:19,617 --> 00:35:20,951
You know, I still don't know

829
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,619
if she was a hooker or a model.

830
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,522
I mean, he refers to her,
Bobby calls her "a model".

831
00:35:25,523 --> 00:35:26,591
Eh, was she really?

832
00:35:28,392 --> 00:35:30,861
Yeah, I get bored so easily.

833
00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:32,429
Yeah.

834
00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:34,899
You need lots of stimulation,
Bobby.

835
00:35:36,601 --> 00:35:38,368
I'm thinking they were more
like call girls,

836
00:35:38,369 --> 00:35:40,871
but I think, every guy likes
to think it was a model,

837
00:35:40,872 --> 00:35:41,639
but you know.

838
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,473
Yes, I do.

839
00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:45,876
- Don't move.
- I won't.

840
00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:49,779
Peter Weller came on set
and he was watching us shoot.

841
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,148
He took his script

842
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:53,216
and he wrote something down
and he gave it

843
00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:56,720
to one of the crew members
and told them to give it to me.

844
00:35:56,721 --> 00:35:57,754
He wrote,

845
00:35:57,755 --> 00:36:00,624
"I think you're beautiful,
so there!"

846
00:36:00,625 --> 00:36:02,259
Exclamation point.

847
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:03,961
I thought, "How sweet".

848
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:06,730
Peter was a pussy hound.

849
00:36:06,731 --> 00:36:07,498
Okay.

850
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:08,565
Chicks would come by,

851
00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:10,133
he'd go banging 'em
in the trailer.

852
00:36:10,134 --> 00:36:11,669
It's not as easy as it looks.

853
00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,740
The ADs, the makeup ladies,
you hear the...

854
00:36:16,741 --> 00:36:18,608
you hear this pump.

855
00:36:18,609 --> 00:36:19,809
They go, "That's Peter, he's

856
00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:21,111
you know, banging someone",
blah, blah, blah.

857
00:36:21,112 --> 00:36:21,846
Okay.

858
00:36:21,847 --> 00:36:24,648
Look, a movie set is a city.

859
00:36:24,649 --> 00:36:26,017
And if you're on location,

860
00:36:27,585 --> 00:36:29,653
I mean forget LA,
everybody goes home.

861
00:36:29,654 --> 00:36:30,820
But you know, that's cool.

862
00:36:30,821 --> 00:36:32,322
You know, you're a star,
you get a lot of free pussy.

863
00:36:32,323 --> 00:36:33,257
What the hell, you know?

864
00:36:33,258 --> 00:36:36,860
And I'm a single guy and um...

865
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:39,296
you start up a thing,
but it ain't your leading lady.

866
00:36:39,297 --> 00:36:41,198
Four couples on this film,

867
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,767
ended up meeting each other
and getting married.

868
00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:45,203
And I happen to be one of them.

869
00:36:46,804 --> 00:36:48,705
The camera person
and his assistant,

870
00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:50,040
they... they got along well.

871
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:51,342
Let me just put it that way.

872
00:36:52,109 --> 00:36:53,310
Yeah, man.

873
00:36:53,311 --> 00:36:55,112
Certainly some noise being made.

874
00:36:56,847 --> 00:36:59,182
At certain times, you know,
so it's like, "Where are they?

875
00:36:59,183 --> 00:37:00,450
They are okay. Alright.

876
00:37:00,451 --> 00:37:01,518
Get 'em out here!"

877
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,320
That's right, man.

878
00:37:03,321 --> 00:37:05,855
Shit happens on a movie set.

879
00:37:05,856 --> 00:37:08,992
I'll buy that for a dollar.

880
00:37:08,993 --> 00:37:12,562
Paul was actually a little upset
that I was dating his assistant.

881
00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:14,864
And he didn't feel he could
trust her because,

882
00:37:14,865 --> 00:37:16,666
"Oh my God,
you're with a producer.

883
00:37:16,667 --> 00:37:18,134
One of the production
people now.

884
00:37:18,135 --> 00:37:19,202
How can I trust you?"

885
00:37:19,203 --> 00:37:21,071
And he got over that. Yeah.

886
00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:23,240
Best thing that ever happened
to me is working that movie,

887
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,043
because that movie
gave me my family.

888
00:37:28,212 --> 00:37:29,212
Paul comes up to me.

889
00:37:29,213 --> 00:37:31,248
He goes,
"Diane, I want to talk to you."

890
00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:32,016
I said, "What?"

891
00:37:32,016 --> 00:37:33,016
He goes,

892
00:37:33,217 --> 00:37:35,719
"I think it'd be good if maybe
you and the other actress

893
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,087
start kissing."

894
00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,155
I said, "I'm thinking no."

895
00:37:39,156 --> 00:37:40,690
And he goes,
"What do you mean no?"

896
00:37:40,691 --> 00:37:42,726
I said, "Honey,
my mom's gonna see this.

897
00:37:42,727 --> 00:37:44,694
I've already had coke snorted
off my boobs.

898
00:37:44,695 --> 00:37:48,198
We're good."

899
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:49,399
What do you think?

900
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,167
He's adorable, isn't he?

901
00:37:51,168 --> 00:37:54,070
He's cute.

902
00:37:54,071 --> 00:37:55,071
One of the girl says,

903
00:37:55,072 --> 00:37:56,373
"Uh, excuse me, Paul,

904
00:37:56,374 --> 00:37:58,875
I have a line
and should I say that here

905
00:37:58,876 --> 00:37:59,777
before I go to the door.

906
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,011
Should I go to the door?"

907
00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:02,612
And so Paul goes,

908
00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,414
"Hmm, yeah.

909
00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:05,915
Well, let me see.

910
00:38:05,916 --> 00:38:09,085
Ah, Jost, the bitch,

911
00:38:09,086 --> 00:38:13,189
should she say her line
after she crosses to the door,

912
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:16,893
or should she say it
before she crosses to the door?"

913
00:38:16,894 --> 00:38:18,094
Jost says,

914
00:38:18,095 --> 00:38:22,532
"Yeah, the bitch should
say her line at the door.

915
00:38:22,533 --> 00:38:24,200
It would be easier for us."

916
00:38:24,201 --> 00:38:25,402
Yeah, okay so,

917
00:38:25,403 --> 00:38:28,471
He says, "Bitches leave,
then bitches,

918
00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:29,873
you all go over there."

919
00:38:29,874 --> 00:38:33,877
And... and Miguel and I are
like looking at each other.

920
00:38:33,878 --> 00:38:34,944
Ah.

921
00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:36,212
I don't think he knew
that bitches

922
00:38:36,213 --> 00:38:38,815
wasn't the sweetest name
in the world be calling us.

923
00:38:38,816 --> 00:38:40,083
But he said it so nicely.

924
00:38:40,084 --> 00:38:41,084
It didn't bother me.

925
00:38:41,085 --> 00:38:42,485
And he kept going,
"Bitches, come here.

926
00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:43,387
Bitches, come here."

927
00:38:43,388 --> 00:38:44,822
I said,
"Okay honey, I'm coming."

928
00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:48,659
How you doing?

929
00:38:50,428 --> 00:38:52,629
Bitches, leave.

930
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:53,664
"Bitches, leave."

931
00:38:54,665 --> 00:38:56,733
One of... One of the great lines
in the film.

932
00:38:56,734 --> 00:38:58,101
"Bitches, leave."

933
00:38:58,102 --> 00:39:00,137
And we're like, "Oh, okay."

934
00:39:02,106 --> 00:39:04,407
"Gee Bobby, bye.

935
00:39:04,408 --> 00:39:05,810
You're gonna call me?"

936
00:39:06,811 --> 00:39:08,178
I loved the fact that,

937
00:39:08,179 --> 00:39:09,846
she wasn't even
all that concerned

938
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:12,415
that there's a guy with a gun
ready to kill her date.

939
00:39:12,416 --> 00:39:14,417
It's like, "Yeah, this happens
all the time."

940
00:39:14,418 --> 00:39:18,521
Yeah, it was fun to watch
the level of humor

941
00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:21,691
laced in with a level of terror
that was going on.

942
00:39:21,692 --> 00:39:23,093
What the fuck are you doing?

943
00:39:23,094 --> 00:39:25,095
He knew he was gonna get killed.

944
00:39:25,096 --> 00:39:26,297
Do you know who I am?

945
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:30,065
If you think you're gonna
get away with this, you got...

946
00:39:31,802 --> 00:39:34,604
The leg shot was the first time
on a movie

947
00:39:34,605 --> 00:39:38,708
that anybody had shot
point blank into anybody.

948
00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:40,977
So, we made
some very light blanks

949
00:39:40,978 --> 00:39:44,013
and I was very thankful
that Miguel trusted me enough

950
00:39:44,014 --> 00:39:46,950
to... to let us shoot him
in the leg.

951
00:39:46,951 --> 00:39:48,386
Goddammit!

952
00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:52,288
Stop!

953
00:39:52,289 --> 00:39:53,456
I'll give you anything you want.

954
00:39:53,457 --> 00:39:55,692
Just please,
please don't kill me, alright.

955
00:39:55,693 --> 00:39:58,128
What's interesting
about RoboCop is that

956
00:39:58,129 --> 00:40:00,330
it forecasts so many things
as well.

957
00:40:00,331 --> 00:40:04,200
I actually used the first DVD
in a movie as far as I know,

958
00:40:04,201 --> 00:40:05,235
you know.

959
00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:07,804
And of course,
there were no DVDs in 1986.

960
00:40:07,805 --> 00:40:09,873
Hello, buddy boy.

961
00:40:09,874 --> 00:40:12,208
Dick Jones here.

962
00:40:12,209 --> 00:40:14,811
I guess you're on your knees
about now.

963
00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:16,479
Begging for your life.

964
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,014
The good guys gets three colors.

965
00:40:18,015 --> 00:40:19,215
Red, white, and blue.

966
00:40:19,216 --> 00:40:21,418
You know what he's gonna do.

967
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,052
We could have been friends.

968
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:27,157
The bad guy,
he gets the whole palette.

969
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:30,160
Every game has a winner
and a loser.

970
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:32,262
Way more fun.

971
00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:35,433
The Bob Morton scene,
where I kill Bob...

972
00:40:36,934 --> 00:40:38,701
After I pulled the uh,

973
00:40:38,702 --> 00:40:41,037
I pulled the pin with my tongue.

974
00:40:41,038 --> 00:40:43,039
You know the key to the gang
is really Clarence Boddicker.

975
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,109
And Clarence Boddicker is a...
for me, was this,

976
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:47,911
always this guy
who wore glasses,

977
00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:49,712
who was kind of a little hum.

978
00:40:49,713 --> 00:40:51,214
He's probably on the spectrum,
but he's...

979
00:40:51,215 --> 00:40:54,617
He's always humming a tune
and he was really ruthless.

980
00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:56,519
He looks like an accountant
in many ways.

981
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,521
I don't have time
for this bullshit.

982
00:40:58,522 --> 00:40:59,923
But then when you hear
him speak,

983
00:40:59,924 --> 00:41:01,758
it's like,
"This motherfucker can be evil."

984
00:41:01,759 --> 00:41:02,892
Bye-bye, baby.

985
00:41:02,893 --> 00:41:05,228
He was based
on Carlos the Jackal,

986
00:41:05,229 --> 00:41:07,697
who was then a terrorist,
who would throw hand grenades

987
00:41:07,698 --> 00:41:09,199
and shoot people with shotguns.

988
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,767
And so, I said,

989
00:41:10,768 --> 00:41:13,436
"This is shotguns
and hand grenades."

990
00:41:13,437 --> 00:41:15,638
It was the idea
of Heinrich Himmler.

991
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,108
I didn't know at that time
that he thought I was a Nazi.

992
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:22,378
No. You know, Clarence is having
a great time.

993
00:41:22,379 --> 00:41:25,815
I'm cashing you out, Bob.

994
00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:28,051
It's so much fun playing
that character,

995
00:41:28,052 --> 00:41:29,153
I can't tell you.

996
00:41:30,454 --> 00:41:31,789
It's dead serious.

997
00:41:37,228 --> 00:41:38,561
Paul, he said to me,

998
00:41:38,562 --> 00:41:40,797
"The bad guys have
this cocaine machine.

999
00:41:40,798 --> 00:41:42,065
We have 'em in Holland.

1000
00:41:42,066 --> 00:41:44,801
I see 'em all the time",
and I go,

1001
00:41:44,802 --> 00:41:48,471
"Uh, yeah."

1002
00:41:48,472 --> 00:41:50,940
I'm looking all over
and I found this place

1003
00:41:50,941 --> 00:41:52,909
and it filled perfume bottles.

1004
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:54,744
I showed it to Paul
and Paul said,

1005
00:41:54,745 --> 00:41:56,980
"That's the machine, that's it."

1006
00:41:56,981 --> 00:41:58,781
He said, "You found it."
I said, "Yeah."

1007
00:41:58,782 --> 00:42:00,850
We had to create all
of the metal work,

1008
00:42:00,851 --> 00:42:02,151
the grid work,

1009
00:42:02,152 --> 00:42:04,688
the different platforms
that people were shooting from.

1010
00:42:06,123 --> 00:42:08,825
The scene between me
and Kurtwood Smith,

1011
00:42:08,826 --> 00:42:09,760
you know.

1012
00:42:09,761 --> 00:42:12,829
Um, so much of it was
improvised.

1013
00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:15,999
Maybe I'm just not making
myself clear.

1014
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,302
One, Kurt would put his fingers
in the wine

1015
00:42:19,303 --> 00:42:20,370
and snorted it.

1016
00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:23,006
My impulse was to take it
and throw it at him.

1017
00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:25,108
But I couldn't...
wouldn't do that,

1018
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:28,111
because it just would have
slowed everything down.

1019
00:42:28,112 --> 00:42:30,446
So, Calvin came up to me
and said,

1020
00:42:30,447 --> 00:42:32,382
"Why don't you drink it?"

1021
00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:34,017
It was like,
"Who's the baddest?"

1022
00:42:34,018 --> 00:42:35,618
It was a cockfight.

1023
00:42:35,619 --> 00:42:36,719
It was like,

1024
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,054
"Well, I'm gonna do this
with your fucking wine.

1025
00:42:38,055 --> 00:42:39,489
I'm gonna taint it."

1026
00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:41,357
Sort of, "Fuck you,
you ain't that bad.

1027
00:42:41,358 --> 00:42:42,559
I'm gonna drink it.

1028
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,460
Now what?"

1029
00:42:43,461 --> 00:42:45,028
I got the muscle to shove enough

1030
00:42:45,029 --> 00:42:48,831
of this factory so far up
your stupid whopped ass.

1031
00:42:48,832 --> 00:42:51,367
That you'll shit snow
for a year.

1032
00:42:51,368 --> 00:42:53,336
"Frankie, blow this cocksucker's
head off."

1033
00:42:53,337 --> 00:42:56,139
Frankie, blow this cocksucker's
head off.

1034
00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:58,341
I pull out the gun,
and he says...

1035
00:42:58,342 --> 00:43:01,544
Ooh, guns, guns, guns.

1036
00:43:01,545 --> 00:43:03,146
The guns, guns, guns line,

1037
00:43:03,147 --> 00:43:07,350
that was to show how cool
Clarence could be,

1038
00:43:07,351 --> 00:43:09,485
and that he didn't care.

1039
00:43:09,486 --> 00:43:12,155
You can't scare Clarence.

1040
00:43:12,156 --> 00:43:14,424
That was where that came from.

1041
00:43:14,425 --> 00:43:16,192
Tigers are playing.

1042
00:43:16,193 --> 00:43:17,261
Tonight.

1043
00:43:18,862 --> 00:43:20,363
I never miss a game.

1044
00:43:20,364 --> 00:43:23,700
And so I go, and I cock it,

1045
00:43:23,701 --> 00:43:26,736
and it created a moment,
and I'd loved that.

1046
00:43:26,737 --> 00:43:28,438
During the rehearsal,

1047
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:31,507
I went, "Just kidding."

1048
00:43:31,508 --> 00:43:32,743
And they left that in.

1049
00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:35,578
Just kidding.

1050
00:43:35,579 --> 00:43:37,547
There are lots of moments
where we got

1051
00:43:37,548 --> 00:43:40,117
to create stuff like that
all through the whole film.

1052
00:43:42,853 --> 00:43:44,721
RoboCop is supposed
to kick down the door

1053
00:43:44,722 --> 00:43:47,023
and so I grabbed like,
all of the effects guys,

1054
00:43:47,024 --> 00:43:48,057
and I said,

1055
00:43:48,058 --> 00:43:49,759
"Bang on this door
as hard as you can,

1056
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:50,860
before it pops open."

1057
00:43:50,861 --> 00:43:51,795
And so, of course

1058
00:43:51,796 --> 00:43:54,398
like seven effects guys
behind the door.

1059
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:58,768
RoboCop breaking the door down.

1060
00:43:58,769 --> 00:43:59,703
"Put your guns down,

1061
00:43:59,704 --> 00:44:01,404
or there's going
to be trouble."

1062
00:44:01,405 --> 00:44:05,408
Come quietly
or there will be trouble.

1063
00:44:05,409 --> 00:44:06,542
Which I think,

1064
00:44:06,543 --> 00:44:08,945
was a wonderfully funny line,
you know.

1065
00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:14,050
Because by this time,
the audience has seen so much.

1066
00:44:14,051 --> 00:44:15,785
The idea that lower your guns

1067
00:44:15,786 --> 00:44:17,120
or there's going to be trouble,

1068
00:44:17,121 --> 00:44:18,755
I found it funny as hell.

1069
00:44:18,756 --> 00:44:22,592
I was the first guy to do
a single-arm shotgun cock.

1070
00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:23,793
They went, "Okay."

1071
00:44:23,794 --> 00:44:26,496
So, I used to practice this
on the side all the time.

1072
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:27,630
Ah, fuck you.

1073
00:44:27,631 --> 00:44:29,133
"Fuck you."

1074
00:44:34,972 --> 00:44:36,139
To one of the,

1075
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:37,640
sort of European touches
to an American action movie

1076
00:44:37,641 --> 00:44:39,842
is when Robo pulls his gun,

1077
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:41,979
he's really taking
a fencing pose.

1078
00:44:43,781 --> 00:44:45,648
He's got his back arm up,

1079
00:44:45,649 --> 00:44:47,750
which is something that you do
in fencing.

1080
00:44:47,751 --> 00:44:50,286
Robo is firing like that.

1081
00:44:50,287 --> 00:44:52,088
And it's a very elegant look.

1082
00:44:52,089 --> 00:44:53,122
That's Paul, you know.

1083
00:44:53,123 --> 00:44:55,158
His earliest work was
on Dutch television,

1084
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:56,359
with Rutger Hauer,

1085
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,828
doing a kind of like
a knights in shining armor

1086
00:44:58,829 --> 00:44:59,763
and swords stuff.

1087
00:44:59,764 --> 00:45:01,297
So, he had that
in his background.

1088
00:45:01,298 --> 00:45:02,299
Action!

1089
00:45:05,335 --> 00:45:06,436
Part of that scene was

1090
00:45:06,437 --> 00:45:08,504
hiding full auto weapons
all around

1091
00:45:08,505 --> 00:45:09,972
and then they all pull 'em out.

1092
00:45:09,973 --> 00:45:11,007
And start the gunfire.

1093
00:45:11,008 --> 00:45:13,643
Action. There'll be
everybody shooting, yeah.

1094
00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:14,977
And so Verhoeven says to me,

1095
00:45:14,978 --> 00:45:17,880
"I'm gonna push this AK down
in the baking soda

1096
00:45:17,881 --> 00:45:19,849
that we're using as cocaine."

1097
00:45:19,850 --> 00:45:22,051
I said, "No, you don't need that
inside the gun.

1098
00:45:22,052 --> 00:45:22,986
It'll mess it up.

1099
00:45:22,987 --> 00:45:24,454
You're not gonna do it."

1100
00:45:24,455 --> 00:45:25,788
And so, like a little kid,

1101
00:45:25,789 --> 00:45:28,858
he'd take a scoop and he'd try
and cover the gun up with it.

1102
00:45:28,859 --> 00:45:30,159
And of course it didn't work.

1103
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,194
And then you had to take it out,

1104
00:45:31,195 --> 00:45:32,395
clean it, and everything.

1105
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:35,298
He'd tell me,
"You're fucking me."

1106
00:45:35,299 --> 00:45:36,299
And I'd go, "Well,

1107
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,067
if you'd keep the coke out
of the guns,

1108
00:45:38,068 --> 00:45:39,669
you won't fuck yourself."

1109
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:41,504
He'd... he'd go along
and he'd go,

1110
00:45:41,505 --> 00:45:42,473
"You know,

1111
00:45:42,474 --> 00:45:45,074
if you're gonna fuck me,
then tell me."

1112
00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:47,977
And so day 2, I walked up

1113
00:45:47,978 --> 00:45:49,812
and put my arm on his back
and I said,

1114
00:45:49,813 --> 00:45:52,815
"Paul, sooner or later today,
I'm gonna fuck you.

1115
00:45:52,816 --> 00:45:54,717
I'm gonna fuck you
in the middle of a take.

1116
00:45:54,718 --> 00:45:56,252
I'ma fuck you real hard.

1117
00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:57,353
Have a good day."

1118
00:45:57,354 --> 00:45:58,354
And I'd walk on.

1119
00:45:58,355 --> 00:45:59,822
And he turned to everybody
and goes,

1120
00:45:59,823 --> 00:46:02,658
"At least when he fucks me,
he tells me

1121
00:46:02,659 --> 00:46:03,893
he's gonna fuck me.

1122
00:46:03,894 --> 00:46:05,863
The rest of you just fuck me."

1123
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:14,604
There is something about firing
a 9 mm fully automatic,

1124
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,038
if you grew up with guns,

1125
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,540
and you understand
that they kill people,

1126
00:46:17,541 --> 00:46:20,176
but you're living the fantasy
of a film,

1127
00:46:20,177 --> 00:46:23,546
then you better put some macho
into it.

1128
00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:26,016
Because it's not
for the faint of heart.

1129
00:46:27,084 --> 00:46:30,052
It is truly about vendetta.

1130
00:46:30,053 --> 00:46:31,354
I counted it once.

1131
00:46:31,355 --> 00:46:34,090
I think they're like 17 guys
that get killed in that scene.

1132
00:46:34,091 --> 00:46:37,193
So, that was take after take
and gunshot after gunshot.

1133
00:46:37,194 --> 00:46:38,261
You know, you...

1134
00:46:38,262 --> 00:46:40,264
Bam, bam, bam, wham, bam
and it'd go on all over.

1135
00:46:41,431 --> 00:46:43,800
And if you forgot
to put your earplugs in,

1136
00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:45,736
it was just deafening.

1137
00:46:46,904 --> 00:46:49,739
They put the earphones on me
and I'm in a helmet.

1138
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:52,441
And I'd listen to walkman
all the time,

1139
00:46:52,442 --> 00:46:55,444
and I was listening
to Peter Gabriel's Red Rain,

1140
00:46:55,445 --> 00:46:58,981
and I got to help design
all that choreography

1141
00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:00,484
of how I wanted to shoot.

1142
00:47:02,886 --> 00:47:04,220
Two guys up here,

1143
00:47:04,221 --> 00:47:06,455
and then there's the guy
up there,

1144
00:47:06,456 --> 00:47:07,757
and this guy behind me.

1145
00:47:07,758 --> 00:47:12,295
So, if I fire, boom!

1146
00:47:12,296 --> 00:47:13,496
Boom! Boom!

1147
00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:15,766
Then I got to kill this guy.

1148
00:47:17,401 --> 00:47:19,469
Right, It's just so much fun
doing it, man.

1149
00:47:21,905 --> 00:47:23,272
In the cocaine factory,

1150
00:47:23,273 --> 00:47:25,575
I play one of the bad guys
in there.

1151
00:47:25,576 --> 00:47:28,412
So, if you see,
I actually shoot myself.

1152
00:47:30,814 --> 00:47:32,748
I asked him if I could do it
instead of just shooting

1153
00:47:32,749 --> 00:47:34,116
and hitting the ground.

1154
00:47:34,117 --> 00:47:38,154
Could I shoot and be shooting
while I'm getting shot?

1155
00:47:38,155 --> 00:47:40,590
And just start reeling
everybody.

1156
00:47:40,591 --> 00:47:41,624
And they'd loved it.

1157
00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:43,961
So, I did that
and it turned out really cool.

1158
00:47:45,429 --> 00:47:47,697
They put a vest on him,
put a harness on him,

1159
00:47:47,698 --> 00:47:48,865
and they hooked him up.

1160
00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,933
- And they just pulled him out.
- Okay, ready?

1161
00:47:50,934 --> 00:47:51,935
Action!

1162
00:47:54,504 --> 00:47:56,373
And it has a great effect.

1163
00:47:58,775 --> 00:48:00,543
Another great hero
of post production

1164
00:48:00,544 --> 00:48:02,678
that must be mentioned
is Frank Urioste.

1165
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:06,783
Frank was this incredible editor
that it was seamless.

1166
00:48:08,452 --> 00:48:09,986
Paul Verhoeven, he said to me,

1167
00:48:09,987 --> 00:48:11,621
"You know why you're so good,
Frank?

1168
00:48:11,622 --> 00:48:13,223
Because you did so much shit."

1169
00:48:13,957 --> 00:48:14,892
And I said,

1170
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:16,859
"Well, thank you
very much, Paul."

1171
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,127
So, meaning that in,

1172
00:48:18,128 --> 00:48:20,463
that I did films that
didn't have very good material.

1173
00:48:20,464 --> 00:48:21,864
Yeah, we made it work.

1174
00:48:21,865 --> 00:48:24,368
So, when I got good material,
it just flew together.

1175
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:27,637
He would cut on a Moviola

1176
00:48:27,638 --> 00:48:30,373
which was still old school
in those days.

1177
00:48:30,374 --> 00:48:32,742
As most people were now cutting
on a... on a cam,

1178
00:48:32,743 --> 00:48:33,976
which was a flatbed.

1179
00:48:33,977 --> 00:48:36,746
We turned hotel rooms
into editing suites.

1180
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:39,649
We moved all the furniture out
of the rooms

1181
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:41,350
at the Hyatt Regency.

1182
00:48:41,351 --> 00:48:42,551
This was when it was filmed,

1183
00:48:42,552 --> 00:48:45,021
so we put the coding machine
in the bathroom.

1184
00:48:45,022 --> 00:48:47,757
And the cam
in one of the editing rooms.

1185
00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:49,926
And Danny and I's benches,

1186
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:53,195
and all the trim bins were
in the other room.

1187
00:48:53,196 --> 00:48:55,665
Frank, he was one
of those old school editors

1188
00:48:55,666 --> 00:48:58,501
that would know,
in his mind where to go out,

1189
00:48:58,502 --> 00:49:00,369
figure out where the in
would be,

1190
00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:02,204
mark it, splice it.

1191
00:49:02,205 --> 00:49:05,108
We'd throw it up
and watch it and there it was.

1192
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:09,378
It's knowing when to cut
and not cutting,

1193
00:49:09,379 --> 00:49:12,281
it's just a feeling you have,
something you can't teach.

1194
00:49:12,282 --> 00:49:15,217
I'd seen the movie 40 times
with different music on it.

1195
00:49:15,218 --> 00:49:16,887
Mostly Jamie Horner's
Aliens score.

1196
00:49:26,229 --> 00:49:29,065
The whole film was soundtracked
by James Horner.

1197
00:49:29,066 --> 00:49:32,568
I had to ask James Horner
for Flesh and Blood.

1198
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:34,737
And I hated the movie,
and he walked out, and said,

1199
00:49:34,738 --> 00:49:36,706
"I want nothing...
I want nothing to...

1200
00:49:36,707 --> 00:49:37,907
nothing to do with it."

1201
00:49:37,908 --> 00:49:41,477
And so, I was not so inclined
to go to James Horner,

1202
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:43,080
in fact at that time.

1203
00:49:46,383 --> 00:49:50,052
Paul worked incredibly closely
with Basil Poledouris

1204
00:49:50,053 --> 00:49:50,921
on this score.

1205
00:49:50,922 --> 00:49:53,155
I came to Basil

1206
00:49:53,156 --> 00:49:55,492
because of uh, of Conan.

1207
00:49:59,062 --> 00:50:01,464
Basil did the music of...
of Flesh and Blood,

1208
00:50:01,465 --> 00:50:03,165
which is 1985.

1209
00:50:03,166 --> 00:50:04,734
So, it was a natural choice.

1210
00:50:04,735 --> 00:50:07,571
In fact, in this case
to come back to Basil.

1211
00:50:08,572 --> 00:50:10,339
You know, he'd spend the days
in the cutting room,

1212
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:11,941
with Frank Urioste.

1213
00:50:11,942 --> 00:50:14,677
And at night,
he'd be a at Poledouris' house.

1214
00:50:14,678 --> 00:50:18,647
And they worked
on this music tirelessly.

1215
00:50:18,648 --> 00:50:20,683
Composers once in a while,

1216
00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:23,619
have the fortune
to collide with a picture,

1217
00:50:23,620 --> 00:50:26,522
you know that somehow speaks
to something

1218
00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:28,024
beyond their intellect.

1219
00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:31,827
And I mean I think as...
as a musical dramatist,

1220
00:50:31,828 --> 00:50:34,663
there's something that goes
beyond our normal understanding

1221
00:50:34,664 --> 00:50:35,799
of what a film is.

1222
00:50:37,167 --> 00:50:38,934
He would play piano
all the time.

1223
00:50:38,935 --> 00:50:40,770
And we would project video

1224
00:50:40,771 --> 00:50:42,938
and then he would play and play,
and then we would say,

1225
00:50:42,939 --> 00:50:44,540
"Try that.
Or can you do this?

1226
00:50:44,541 --> 00:50:46,142
And we want to see
if you use this here

1227
00:50:46,143 --> 00:50:47,344
or that there."

1228
00:50:48,445 --> 00:50:51,147
And basically it was something
very loose.

1229
00:50:51,148 --> 00:50:52,782
And then we started writing it,

1230
00:50:52,783 --> 00:50:55,151
and basically we went to London
and recorded it.

1231
00:50:55,152 --> 00:50:57,353
Depending upon the strength
with the director

1232
00:50:57,354 --> 00:50:58,954
and the imagination
of the composer

1233
00:50:58,955 --> 00:51:00,389
and the director together,

1234
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:03,060
you could do some
outrageously interesting things.

1235
00:51:11,334 --> 00:51:12,701
The Robo theme,

1236
00:51:12,702 --> 00:51:15,838
which I call The Anvil Chorus,
was great.

1237
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:18,875
And Basil is a phenomenal
talent obviously.

1238
00:51:22,145 --> 00:51:24,747
There are no expectations
in science fiction.

1239
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,916
I've always liked
large orchestras and...

1240
00:51:26,917 --> 00:51:28,585
and choir.

1241
00:51:31,521 --> 00:51:35,091
The music emphasizes
the plight of RoboCop.

1242
00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,393
But there's a sadness to this.

1243
00:51:37,394 --> 00:51:39,329
There's a wistfulness
about this.

1244
00:51:43,733 --> 00:51:46,435
Sometimes
I'll spend 16-20 hours a day

1245
00:51:46,436 --> 00:51:47,736
to write five measures.

1246
00:51:47,737 --> 00:51:49,672
Because unless it feels like

1247
00:51:49,673 --> 00:51:52,174
it has something to do with me
and the movie.

1248
00:51:52,175 --> 00:51:54,210
'Cause that's truly
the blueprint for the way

1249
00:51:54,211 --> 00:51:56,412
the cue's going to go.

1250
00:51:56,413 --> 00:51:58,747
The dialogue,
you have to play softly.

1251
00:51:58,748 --> 00:52:01,218
Murphy, it's you.

1252
00:52:05,555 --> 00:52:06,589
Explosion.

1253
00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:08,358
You'd have to play loud
or not at all.

1254
00:52:19,736 --> 00:52:22,739
The pace is dictated
by the pace of the editing.

1255
00:52:25,442 --> 00:52:27,143
The director must play
counter to that,

1256
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:29,212
and the pace would need
to be fast or slow.

1257
00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:32,781
There's just a feeling
when I'm writing it,

1258
00:52:32,782 --> 00:52:35,084
that there's a...
there's a reality to it.

1259
00:52:35,085 --> 00:52:36,720
There's a truth to it.

1260
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:43,392
The music of a movie
has the possibility

1261
00:52:43,393 --> 00:52:46,163
to elevate a movie as a whole.

1262
00:52:51,968 --> 00:52:54,069
Music never sounds as good
as it does

1263
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:55,437
on a really good movie.

1264
00:52:55,438 --> 00:52:57,306
You know, a really well acted,
directed,

1265
00:52:57,307 --> 00:52:58,407
and written picture.

1266
00:52:58,408 --> 00:52:59,575
Music sounds great.

1267
00:52:59,576 --> 00:53:03,112
The whole movie is put
on another level basically,

1268
00:53:03,113 --> 00:53:04,414
because of the music.

1269
00:53:06,483 --> 00:53:08,784
It's got that big heroic feel.

1270
00:53:08,785 --> 00:53:11,188
It's got that tang, tang.

1271
00:53:12,255 --> 00:53:16,259
That metallic sound, to me,
I got the feeling of a robot.

1272
00:53:17,627 --> 00:53:19,763
It's got synthesized music.

1273
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,768
It's got those strings in it.

1274
00:53:26,836 --> 00:53:29,138
So, it's got several
different textures.

1275
00:53:29,139 --> 00:53:32,141
It's a really good,
iconic sound.

1276
00:53:32,142 --> 00:53:34,144
You know it's RoboCop
when you hear it.

1277
00:53:36,713 --> 00:53:40,216
I tried to absorb myself totally
in the picture.

1278
00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:41,951
And stay...
and stay in that world,

1279
00:53:41,952 --> 00:53:43,987
particularly, if it's
a little sci-fi thing.

1280
00:53:47,023 --> 00:53:50,392
I don't become those characters,
but I certainly think like them.

1281
00:53:50,393 --> 00:53:54,664
Really does create the subtext
to enhance the visuals.

1282
00:54:01,371 --> 00:54:03,138
That's what the composer
can do for me,

1283
00:54:03,139 --> 00:54:04,873
and I always feel that,

1284
00:54:04,874 --> 00:54:07,843
without that,
the film's incomplete, yeah.

1285
00:54:07,844 --> 00:54:09,478
I'm a big fan of film music.

1286
00:54:09,479 --> 00:54:11,982
In fact though, I'm a big fan
of music, you know?

1287
00:54:13,016 --> 00:54:14,650
Yeah, jump us into
the same moment,

1288
00:54:14,651 --> 00:54:16,185
but we can intercut it, yeah.

1289
00:54:16,186 --> 00:54:18,220
We were shooting
in Dallas, Texas.

1290
00:54:18,221 --> 00:54:19,421
It was hot.

1291
00:54:19,422 --> 00:54:22,591
Really, really hot and humid.
And it was just hideous.

1292
00:54:22,592 --> 00:54:25,427
It was 128 degrees
inside the thing.

1293
00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:26,829
It was a 105 degrees outside.

1294
00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:27,896
And that's saying Dallas, Texas,

1295
00:54:27,897 --> 00:54:30,566
it was about 128 degrees
inside it.

1296
00:54:30,567 --> 00:54:33,535
I would lose about 3 pounds
of water weight a day.

1297
00:54:33,536 --> 00:54:34,603
He lost water weight.

1298
00:54:34,604 --> 00:54:36,572
He lost skin, you know.

1299
00:54:36,573 --> 00:54:38,340
Because he'd get these rashes
underneath.

1300
00:54:38,341 --> 00:54:42,044
The demand that I put on myself,
I was running 6 miles a day.

1301
00:54:42,045 --> 00:54:45,748
And training for
a New York marathon.

1302
00:54:45,749 --> 00:54:47,249
And action!

1303
00:54:47,250 --> 00:54:48,284
My stunt guy,

1304
00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:50,453
he had to jump
onto the roof of this thing.

1305
00:54:52,188 --> 00:54:53,123
And then later on,

1306
00:54:53,124 --> 00:54:56,191
had to get thrown
through these windows.

1307
00:54:56,192 --> 00:54:57,127
That one scene

1308
00:54:57,128 --> 00:54:58,761
where Boddicker is thrown
the glass...

1309
00:54:58,762 --> 00:55:00,195
You are under arrest.

1310
00:55:00,196 --> 00:55:02,731
When they showed it to police,
the police loved it.

1311
00:55:02,732 --> 00:55:04,466
And it was one
of the favorite scenes

1312
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:05,634
of a lot of my friends.

1313
00:55:05,635 --> 00:55:07,570
You have the right
to remain silent.

1314
00:55:08,638 --> 00:55:09,905
Fuck you!

1315
00:55:09,906 --> 00:55:11,307
Because a lot of them
would have liked

1316
00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:14,310
to read the beginning
of your rights.

1317
00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:15,879
And then throw you
through a window.

1318
00:55:19,416 --> 00:55:21,083
It's an iconic moment for

1319
00:55:21,084 --> 00:55:23,085
I'm sure many officers
around the country,

1320
00:55:23,086 --> 00:55:24,219
at least in the old age.

1321
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:25,788
You have the right
to an attorney.

1322
00:55:25,789 --> 00:55:27,390
What is this shit?

1323
00:55:28,758 --> 00:55:29,825
My stunt guy,

1324
00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:33,563
they would like spring him
through the air.

1325
00:55:34,664 --> 00:55:36,599
And they would blow
that safety glass.

1326
00:55:38,234 --> 00:55:40,069
There was one window
that fortunately

1327
00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:42,638
they blew it too early,
rather than too late.

1328
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:43,606
Thank you.

1329
00:55:43,607 --> 00:55:44,740
You're welcome.

1330
00:55:44,741 --> 00:55:45,508
Just a little bit blood,
that's natural I suppose.

1331
00:55:45,509 --> 00:55:47,843
Or is it just fake blood?

1332
00:55:47,844 --> 00:55:49,345
And one person got injured.

1333
00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,013
He got shot one back.

1334
00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:53,482
And he hit his wrist
on the corner,

1335
00:55:53,483 --> 00:55:55,984
on the sharp corner
of a tool box.

1336
00:55:55,985 --> 00:55:56,985
It's pretty severe.

1337
00:55:56,986 --> 00:55:58,320
They took him to the hospital

1338
00:55:58,321 --> 00:56:00,522
and they were fortunate
that they had some microsurgeon

1339
00:56:00,523 --> 00:56:01,690
who happened to be there.

1340
00:56:01,691 --> 00:56:03,651
Otherwise, he would have lost
the use of his hand.

1341
00:56:04,794 --> 00:56:07,663
Yeah, that scene was really,
really hard to shoot.

1342
00:56:07,664 --> 00:56:11,934
'Cause the weather was awful,
and um, it was just unpleasant.

1343
00:56:11,935 --> 00:56:13,635
I've got protection!

1344
00:56:13,636 --> 00:56:16,038
You have the right to attorney.

1345
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:17,439
It's important to me that

1346
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,110
you only see Clarence scared
with RoboCop.

1347
00:56:21,111 --> 00:56:23,045
You cocksucker!

1348
00:56:23,046 --> 00:56:25,280
I work for Dick Jones.

1349
00:56:25,281 --> 00:56:27,116
Dick Jones!

1350
00:56:27,117 --> 00:56:29,318
He's the number 2 guy in OCP.

1351
00:56:29,319 --> 00:56:32,788
And that strengthens
the character of the hero.

1352
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:35,057
OCP runs the cops!

1353
00:56:35,058 --> 00:56:38,460
That strengthens RoboCop
as well, you know.

1354
00:56:38,461 --> 00:56:40,696
You're a cop.

1355
00:56:40,697 --> 00:56:42,030
And with that,

1356
00:56:42,031 --> 00:56:44,500
I thought it was a much
deeper film,

1357
00:56:44,501 --> 00:56:47,303
and it made you think
and it made you feel.

1358
00:56:51,641 --> 00:56:53,175
Yes.

1359
00:56:53,176 --> 00:56:54,310
I am a cop.

1360
00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:02,384
Kurtwood Smith is handcuffed,
right?

1361
00:57:02,385 --> 00:57:04,820
When he brings him in
and he throws him.

1362
00:57:04,821 --> 00:57:07,656
Now, when Robo throws you,
you go.

1363
00:57:07,657 --> 00:57:09,925
Kurtwood knew that
and so he throws him in.

1364
00:57:09,926 --> 00:57:12,995
Kurtwood throws himself so hard.

1365
00:57:12,996 --> 00:57:14,997
When he hit, he hit me
and bounced off,

1366
00:57:14,998 --> 00:57:18,401
and he'd hit the desk hard.

1367
00:57:19,702 --> 00:57:22,104
And I realized
he had hurt himself.

1368
00:57:22,105 --> 00:57:24,339
He cracked his ribs
on the first take.

1369
00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:25,507
Cracked two ribs.

1370
00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,377
And we did that take
about another 11 times.

1371
00:57:28,378 --> 00:57:30,579
I could see him hiding it
like a football player

1372
00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:31,548
who's hiding it.

1373
00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:33,282
And he looked at me
and he saw me see

1374
00:57:33,283 --> 00:57:34,349
the acknowledgment

1375
00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:35,918
and then he'd gave me
that Boddicker look,

1376
00:57:35,919 --> 00:57:40,022
like, "Shut the fuck up."

1377
00:57:40,023 --> 00:57:42,224
Kurtwood was fantastic.

1378
00:57:42,225 --> 00:57:47,429
I mean, he was so vile,
you just wanted just to start...

1379
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:49,198
You know.

1380
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:50,933
Kurtwood's as brilliant
as you get.

1381
00:57:50,934 --> 00:57:53,969
He makes the thug
the real bad guy.

1382
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:57,206
The guy that knows the jungle
is the real bad guy.

1383
00:57:57,207 --> 00:57:59,208
Not more Mr. Big.

1384
00:57:59,209 --> 00:58:00,809
Book him.

1385
00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:02,311
What's the charge?

1386
00:58:02,312 --> 00:58:03,579
No, it's not.

1387
00:58:03,580 --> 00:58:05,447
It's the guy who's working
for him.

1388
00:58:05,448 --> 00:58:06,748
It's the gunsel.

1389
00:58:06,749 --> 00:58:08,383
He's a cop killer.

1390
00:58:08,384 --> 00:58:09,285
I'm standing there

1391
00:58:09,286 --> 00:58:10,752
and I'm surrounded
by all these cops.

1392
00:58:10,753 --> 00:58:13,422
And I want to look bad,
you know.

1393
00:58:13,423 --> 00:58:16,225
And so I asked if they could go
and put some blood in my mouth.

1394
00:58:16,226 --> 00:58:20,095
And I asked Paul,
"What if I spit on the desk?"

1395
00:58:20,096 --> 00:58:21,597
And Paul,

1396
00:58:21,598 --> 00:58:23,765
his eyes kind of lit up
and he went,

1397
00:58:23,766 --> 00:58:26,134
"You want to spit some blood?

1398
00:58:26,135 --> 00:58:28,136
Yes. Mmm.

1399
00:58:28,137 --> 00:58:29,672
Yeah, let's try that."

1400
00:58:30,607 --> 00:58:32,474
And he spit this blood on the...

1401
00:58:32,475 --> 00:58:33,842
And the reaction you see
from us is real,

1402
00:58:33,843 --> 00:58:35,177
because we didn't know
it was coming.

1403
00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:37,446
We had no idea it was coming.

1404
00:58:37,447 --> 00:58:39,982
The AD said,
"Jon would like to see you."

1405
00:58:39,983 --> 00:58:42,117
So, I went to his office.

1406
00:58:42,118 --> 00:58:43,185
"Say, Jon, what's up?"

1407
00:58:43,186 --> 00:58:46,955
He said,
"Well, um, Kurtwood, um...

1408
00:58:46,956 --> 00:58:48,290
The studio,

1409
00:58:48,291 --> 00:58:51,528
they're kind of concerned about
your language in the movie."

1410
00:58:52,362 --> 00:58:53,329
I was like...

1411
00:58:53,330 --> 00:58:55,631
I was like, "Really, uh?"

1412
00:58:55,632 --> 00:58:57,466
He said,
"Yeah, they keep saying,

1413
00:58:57,467 --> 00:58:58,600
can't you cut that down?

1414
00:58:58,601 --> 00:59:00,435
And I told them that
that you just say

1415
00:59:00,436 --> 00:59:02,471
what you want."

1416
00:59:02,472 --> 00:59:03,705
Fuck you!

1417
00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:05,841
I said the word Fuck
a lot of that movie.

1418
00:59:05,842 --> 00:59:07,142
Listen to me, you fuck!

1419
00:59:07,143 --> 00:59:10,712
And a lot of it,
I just threw in.

1420
00:59:10,713 --> 00:59:13,283
Just give me
my fucking phone call.

1421
00:59:16,953 --> 00:59:19,688
I see the production
designers' job

1422
00:59:19,689 --> 00:59:24,726
of kind of keeping the focus
and some continuity of style.

1423
00:59:24,727 --> 00:59:29,465
I personally like a very bulky,
uncluttered look.

1424
00:59:31,901 --> 00:59:34,970
I call it and it's been called
"The New Brutalism",

1425
00:59:34,971 --> 00:59:37,372
when people in the '70s,
'80s were designing

1426
00:59:37,373 --> 00:59:40,742
those very stark, slabby
concrete buildings,

1427
00:59:40,743 --> 00:59:43,512
that I find interesting
structurally.

1428
00:59:43,513 --> 00:59:45,648
It's something that
Paul and I liked.

1429
00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:49,551
A matte painting
is a visual effect

1430
00:59:49,552 --> 00:59:52,921
that is a way of altering
the look of a location

1431
00:59:52,922 --> 00:59:56,358
or a set by the inclusion of
painted artwork.

1432
00:59:56,359 --> 00:59:57,492
When I saw the picture,

1433
00:59:57,493 --> 00:59:59,361
I just couldn't believe
what his work did.

1434
00:59:59,362 --> 01:00:02,331
You know, there's shooting
this wonderful elevator

1435
01:00:02,332 --> 01:00:04,266
floating up through OCP.

1436
01:00:04,267 --> 01:00:07,202
The interiors of the OCP
were shot at a mall

1437
01:00:07,203 --> 01:00:09,338
called "the Plaza"
at the Americas.

1438
01:00:09,339 --> 01:00:10,672
- Jon Davison.
- Yeah?

1439
01:00:10,673 --> 01:00:12,407
Knows his movies really well.

1440
01:00:12,408 --> 01:00:14,209
He came with Roger Corman.

1441
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:15,911
For instance, the interiors

1442
01:00:15,912 --> 01:00:18,046
of the OCP building
with the elevator shots,

1443
01:00:18,047 --> 01:00:19,381
he just told me right out.

1444
01:00:19,382 --> 01:00:22,784
He says, "Can we make these
reminiscent of the down angles

1445
01:00:22,785 --> 01:00:25,287
in the Krell
from Forbidden Plant?"

1446
01:00:25,288 --> 01:00:28,223
I saw these still photos
of the City Hall

1447
01:00:28,224 --> 01:00:30,926
that they wanted to use
as the base for the skyscraper,

1448
01:00:30,927 --> 01:00:32,761
that's the OCP headquarters.

1449
01:00:32,762 --> 01:00:34,229
And so I said to them,

1450
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:36,932
"Let's just add enough stories
and extend this thing

1451
01:00:36,933 --> 01:00:39,768
so it just continues up
and out of the top of frames

1452
01:00:39,769 --> 01:00:42,104
since we don't really
have the budget to do

1453
01:00:42,105 --> 01:00:44,773
a bunch of tilting shots
or camera move shots."

1454
01:00:44,774 --> 01:00:46,308
It was kind of a neat idea

1455
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:48,644
to have this wedge-shaped
building

1456
01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:51,414
as the base of something
that just continues straight up.

1457
01:00:53,416 --> 01:00:55,884
They did have me do one
very distant shot

1458
01:00:55,885 --> 01:00:59,755
of um, Delta City,
that you saw the entire height,

1459
01:00:59,756 --> 01:01:02,125
when the police car is
driving across the bridge.

1460
01:01:05,261 --> 01:01:06,495
Ronny Cox's character,

1461
01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:10,232
you know his office, all that,
that was on a studio set.

1462
01:01:10,233 --> 01:01:12,834
And the fact that
always embarrassed me,

1463
01:01:12,835 --> 01:01:17,005
the handheld prop of
the tracks RoboCop.

1464
01:01:17,006 --> 01:01:18,273
I didn't have any money,

1465
01:01:18,274 --> 01:01:21,576
so I made Paul do
a lock-off shot.

1466
01:01:21,577 --> 01:01:25,147
Because I couldn't track
the optical into it.

1467
01:01:25,148 --> 01:01:28,116
Because tracking opticals
at that point in time

1468
01:01:28,117 --> 01:01:29,818
was a big deal.

1469
01:01:29,819 --> 01:01:31,987
You know, I wish
we could do that over.

1470
01:01:31,988 --> 01:01:33,522
Jesus, you really screwed up.

1471
01:01:33,523 --> 01:01:36,191
I always felt there needed
to be a Kryptonite.

1472
01:01:36,192 --> 01:01:39,461
And so, once we had that
in the room.

1473
01:01:39,462 --> 01:01:44,366
Ed and I started working
on the idea of a program that

1474
01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:48,437
wouldn't allow RoboCop
to attack an executive

1475
01:01:48,438 --> 01:01:49,838
of a company that owns him.

1476
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:51,873
You are under arrest.

1477
01:01:51,874 --> 01:01:52,941
Oh.

1478
01:01:52,942 --> 01:01:53,975
On what charge?

1479
01:01:53,976 --> 01:01:55,944
Aiding and abetting
a known felon.

1480
01:01:55,945 --> 01:01:57,813
Directive 4 was the Kryptonite.

1481
01:01:57,814 --> 01:02:00,949
The way you could not
paint yourself into a corner

1482
01:02:00,950 --> 01:02:02,551
when he confronts Dick Jones.

1483
01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:03,885
You better take me in.

1484
01:02:03,886 --> 01:02:04,821
I will.

1485
01:02:04,822 --> 01:02:07,390
Dick Jones
basically castrates him.

1486
01:02:11,294 --> 01:02:14,830
The only time I actually used
any video material

1487
01:02:14,831 --> 01:02:18,033
was with Directive 4
in Dick Jones' office.

1488
01:02:18,034 --> 01:02:21,002
Any attempt to arrest
a senior officer of OCP

1489
01:02:21,003 --> 01:02:22,904
results in shutdown.

1490
01:02:22,905 --> 01:02:25,040
I remember Pete taking a camera
which was probably

1491
01:02:25,041 --> 01:02:27,309
his Mitchell photographing
monitors.

1492
01:02:27,310 --> 01:02:28,677
As he jiggled the cables,

1493
01:02:28,678 --> 01:02:31,346
just so he could get
a lot of distortion and stuff.

1494
01:02:31,347 --> 01:02:33,215
And then composited
in individual frames

1495
01:02:33,216 --> 01:02:35,884
on the optical printer
to give that messed up

1496
01:02:35,885 --> 01:02:37,686
that Robovision effect.

1497
01:02:37,687 --> 01:02:39,555
That you're an
ordinary police officer?

1498
01:02:40,556 --> 01:02:42,524
You're our product.

1499
01:02:42,525 --> 01:02:46,495
With this idea of the hierarchy
that's saying,

1500
01:02:46,496 --> 01:02:48,697
"We're gonna tell you
how to serve the public trust."

1501
01:02:48,698 --> 01:02:49,765
And we can't very well

1502
01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:51,900
have our products
turning against us, can we?

1503
01:02:51,901 --> 01:02:54,436
And in the name of science
and progression,

1504
01:02:54,437 --> 01:02:57,839
and freedom, and capitalism,
and whatever.

1505
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,443
Steal everything you own,

1506
01:03:01,444 --> 01:03:03,178
which is essentially
your identity.

1507
01:03:03,179 --> 01:03:04,580
Which is essentially your life.

1508
01:03:07,416 --> 01:03:10,218
RoboCop, I think from
a technology standpoint,

1509
01:03:10,219 --> 01:03:12,120
you know, certainly
when you lift his arms,

1510
01:03:12,121 --> 01:03:14,523
you can see his armpits, stuff,
and things like that.

1511
01:03:14,524 --> 01:03:16,291
All that stuff
could be repaired now

1512
01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:17,726
and would be digitally enhanced.

1513
01:03:17,727 --> 01:03:20,028
As far as the core suit goes,

1514
01:03:20,029 --> 01:03:22,898
it's still just brilliant
modern design.

1515
01:03:22,899 --> 01:03:25,534
We don't make movies
like we used to anymore.

1516
01:03:25,535 --> 01:03:27,803
It was made physical.

1517
01:03:27,804 --> 01:03:29,204
It's a physical movie.

1518
01:03:29,205 --> 01:03:31,807
Maybe you'd like
to meet a friend of mine.

1519
01:03:31,808 --> 01:03:33,609
That thing comes in.

1520
01:03:38,915 --> 01:03:41,751
"I had to kill Bob Morton,
because he made a mistake.

1521
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:45,788
And now it's time
to erase that mistake."