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[woman 1] You, you were telling
me before, there's a great
organization here,

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in fact, the title to your new

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movie is <i> 9 to 5. </i> And you

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really advocate

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women getting together, Jane,
as a force to--

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It's an organization of clerical
workers, office workers.

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Uh, some people don't know what
women who work in offices have
to put up with--

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how many people in the
audience are office workers?

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Any of you work in offices?

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-You a-- [laughs] you're not an
office worker. -[woman 1
laughing]

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-Oh, you said women? Oh-- You
raised your hand! -I'm making a
mov--

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-Oh, I raised it! -...a comedy
about, about office workers.

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-Are you gonna hire-- is Dolly
Parton playing the lead? -Dolly
Parton, I think,

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is gonna be in it. She plays
the boss's personal secretary.

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-[laughter]
-[woman 1] Is that funny?

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It's a movie about secretaries
fantasizing about murdering
their boss.

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-So, it's not a political
statement, is-- is it? -[man]
Okay.

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["9 to 5" by Dolly Parton]

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-[scratching]
-[sharp ding]

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<i>
and stumble to the kitchen

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<i>
cup of ambition

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<i>
try to come to life

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<i>
the blood starts pumpin'

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<i>
traffic starts jumpin'

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<i>
the job from nine to five

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<i>
what a way to make a livin'


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<i> -
One working woman in three in

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the 1970s

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was a clerical worker. It was
the largest job category in
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[Karen] <i> So, when the movie
9 to 5 came out in 1980...</i>

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Typewriter, Dictaphone,
adding machine.

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...the film was a tipping point.

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We were reaching
millions of women.

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Everybody was very nervous
about the movie,

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because it was
three female leads.

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And I got some flack
working with Jane,

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being such a radical gal.

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[Jane] I've always believed
that film is a good way

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to throw light
into dark corners.

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Uplift voices that
aren't often heard.

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It really connected with me
and women of every generation.

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My mother and my aunties,
there's the sisterhood on
screen,

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the fabulous frocks.

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[Violet] Welcome
to the front lines.

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[Dame Jenni] And for
the first time ever,

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you saw on screen
exactly what you knew

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was happening in offices.

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Hold it right there.

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What?

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Turn around a second.

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Did I think that <i> 9 to 5</i>

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would be relevant 40 years after
its initial release?

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At the time, no.

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[Amaya] It's 40 years later,
right? We still have
corporations

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reinventing ways to really abuse

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and take advantage of
vulnerable workers.

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I didn't think anybody would
want to see it if it was a
drama.

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-[laugher]
-[Jane] And once Lily Tomlin

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and Dolly Parton came
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it couldn't be a drama.

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Obviously, it was
gonna be comedy.

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You know, we use
metaphors in the film

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to show how the women couldn't
break the glass ceiling.

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Going up, girls?

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No, we're going down.

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-[soft clattering]
-[elevator door closes]

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When I first read this script,

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I thought it was
going to be a hit.

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Because of the three gals,
Lily, Jane, Dolly.

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"Stand up for yourselves."
These words were being uttered

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by these icons.

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"Don't put up with
shit." [chuckles]

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"Demand respect."
It's a great message.

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It was the top-grossing comedy
film of the year.

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It did more than a $100
million at the box office.

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It was very much radical and
transformative

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in a way that was funny.

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-[machine beeping]
-[gasps]

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[Bruce] <i> It was our
intention to have</i>

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<i> more diversity
in the cast.</i>

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-[Violet] Two... -[Bruce] When
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we really wanted Diahann
Carroll to be one of the leads.

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And there was a real
commitment to hiring

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a diverse supporting cast.

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At the time, there were very,
very few roles for Hispanics.

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But a big feature

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film, like <i> 9 to 5,</i>

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to have a Hispanic character,
was a big advancement.

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It was a gift from Jane, who
doesn't stand by injustice.

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The real Jane, but
also her character.

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Well, I'm gonna tell her,
this is a disgrace!

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Attagirl.

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But it did touch a nerve.

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It was based in reality.

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Wait, wait a minute. Weren't
you checked out on this machine?

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I mean, any moron could
operate this thing.

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It did resonate
with enough people

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that it really,
right out of the box,

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it just kept getting
bigger and bigger.

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Something wrong? I got something
on my dress?

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[man] Nothing's wrong.

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As a matter of fact,
everything is...

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-...very, very right.
-[Zoe] Because it was about

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an experience most working
women were having in America,

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it was a breakout moment.

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You're so intimidated
by any woman

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that won't sit at
the back of the bus.

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Spare me the women's
lib crap, okay?

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If a movie was advertised as
a women's liberation movie...

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-[man] Mm-hmm. Right. -...me
personally, would probably not
wanna go to it.

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[Bruce] Jane and I had been
working on something called

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the Indochina Peace Campaign
and other issues,

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and out of that, we decided
to try to move forward

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to do films that were about
the same kinds of social issues

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that we'd been involved with

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as social activists
and organizers.

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[Jane] If you're
gonna make a movie

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and what you're
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inform people about an issue

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that you think is important,

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you have to embed it in a style.

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[narrator] <i> It's about people
faced with the agony of telling</i>

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<i> the truth.</i>

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[Bruce] <i> We made</i>   The China
Syndrome, <i> which was about</i>

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<i> -the dangers of nuclear</i>

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<i> power.</i>   -[narrator] <i> The</i>

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<i> closer they get,</i>

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<i> -the more threatening it will</i>

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<i> become.</i>   -[Bruce] <i> And a</i>

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<i> movie about</i>

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<i> the Vietnam War,</i>
Coming Home.

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<i> It was nominated for Best
Picture and Best Screenplay,</i>

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<i> it won for screenplay and</i>
<i> actor and actress.</i>

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<i> Jane won her second Academy
Award with that movie.</i>

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Even if people don't agree with
what you're saying

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or don't care about the issue,
they're gonna wanna see it,

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'cause it's a good
thriller or a good,

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sexy love story
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[upbeat whimsical music playing]

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[grunting and
indistinctly mumbling]

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Well, <i> 9 to 5 </i> was the

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name of the movie,

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because that was the name of
the organization

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about working women looking
for equal pay for equal work.

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[woman] Would one of
you like to tell me

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how did this
project get started?

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I think Jane should probably

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tell you that,

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because she's the one
who started this mess.

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-[woman] Jane?
-[laughter]

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Well, I just thought
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to make a movie
about office workers,

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and I wanted to work
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particularly these two women.

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-It's a comedy?
-God, yes.

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-It's a comedy with-- -Very
farcical, very funny.

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-[man] Filled with truth? Right.
-Yes.

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Women are on the lower end of
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-and in <i> 9 to 5,</i>   you know,

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it's a depiction really...

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-[man] Right.

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-...of those kinds of
conditions. -[man] Yeah.

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-What was your boss like?
-Now, you got that?

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You're the boss.

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You might remember that a little
more often.

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Women feel their
work is important.

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They know that, uh, that it's
skilled work,

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and they wanna be
treated with respect,

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that manifests itself
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and in their treatment
in the office.

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Boston has the third
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for clerical workers, uh, of the
15 largest cities in, in the
United States.

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Plus, we have the
highest cost of living.

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[Bruce] <i> Karen Nussbaum was
a powerhouse organizer,</i>

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<i> and Jane and I had known her
for many of the social
movements</i>

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<i> that had been going on in the
late '60s and early '70s.</i>

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[Jane] So, whenever I would see
Karen, you know,

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her day job was organizing women
office workers.

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And she would tell me stories
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Not just in terms of
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although that was pretty
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being fired if
they were pregnant.

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[soft clacking]

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[Karen] In the 1970s,

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there were 20 million

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women office workers
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but we were totally invisible.

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We didn't exist in
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[light whimsical music]

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We started an organization

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called 9to5 in 1973 in Boston.

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We'd gotten a little
bitty office at the YWCA,

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where two of us were
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while we also had our day
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I was very taken with the
history of garment workers,

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young women at the turn of
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who led these huge strikes,

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walked out of the
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and won the eight-hour day,

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protection from
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And here I was, sitting
in a room full of women,

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and I thought, "Hmm, this
is kind of the same thing."

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And of course,
working in an office

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was a lot more pleasant and safe

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than working in a garment
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But there were certain
things in common.

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The job itself is
good because, you see,

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besides that women
that have the children,

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that stays home and, and cleans
the house or cooks dinner,

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the job enable us to see
ourselves as independent women.

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[Karen] I look back on it now

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and we were so modest
in our demands.

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"We should have job posting.

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We should at least know what
the jobs are!"

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That was one of our big demands,
job posting.

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But we were also new to this.

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We were reaching into women
who were not activists

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in any part of their lives.

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[Ellen] Women were not able to
march into their boss' office

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and demand a raise.
So we provided forums

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where people could speak up.

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[Karen] <i> And share
their concerns.</i>

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<i> And so, we were
all there together.</i>

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<i> Every class,
racially-mixed.</i>

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<i> And our motto was,</i>

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<i> "Raises, Rights,
and Respect."</i>

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[Ellen] The issue of respect,

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of being taken seriously
as a worker and as a woman,

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was something that
office workers

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needed to express,
bosses needed to hear,

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members of the public needed to
hear, the media needed to hear.

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-Okay, okay-- -[Ellen] <i> And</i>

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<i> Violet really expressed it</i>

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<i> beautifully.</i>

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I am your employee.

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And as such, I expect to be
treated equally.

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With a little dignity and
a little respect!

238
00:09:56,229 --> 00:09:59,065
[women singing] <i>
Secretaries unite

239
00:09:59,065 --> 00:10:01,334
<i>
how we fight

240
00:10:01,334 --> 00:10:03,570
<i>
promotion and respect

241
00:10:05,338 --> 00:10:07,407
<i>
long enough...

242
00:10:07,407 --> 00:10:09,509
[reporter] The point that
secretaries, as working people,

243
00:10:09,509 --> 00:10:12,245
might have legitimate labor
grievances is not a new one.

244
00:10:12,245 --> 00:10:14,414
What is new is the particular
forum for dissent.

245
00:10:14,414 --> 00:10:16,049
It's not the disembodied voice

246
00:10:16,049 --> 00:10:17,584
of the amorphous
feminist movement.

247
00:10:17,584 --> 00:10:19,352
It's this city's secretaries

248
00:10:19,352 --> 00:10:22,355
talking about this city
secretary's problems.

249
00:10:22,355 --> 00:10:26,059
I got very tired of apologizing
for being an office worker.

250
00:10:26,059 --> 00:10:28,394
And I really believe
that what I'm doing

251
00:10:28,394 --> 00:10:31,130
is very important to the economy

252
00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:33,900
and that I should have some
respect for what I'm doing.

253
00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:36,603
[Karen] Equal pay,
sexual harassment,

254
00:10:36,603 --> 00:10:41,441
childcare, those
issues unite people

255
00:10:41,441 --> 00:10:47,280
who had been divided across
different kinds of jobs.

256
00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,748
So, we developed what we called

257
00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,748
the <i> 9 to 5 Bill of</i>

258
00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,748
<i> Rights.</i>

259
00:10:50,283 --> 00:10:53,052
The more our members
found their voice,

260
00:10:53,052 --> 00:10:55,722
our demands became more serious.

261
00:10:55,722 --> 00:10:58,291
There was a point at
which the women said,

262
00:10:58,291 --> 00:11:02,161
"Wait a damn minute! I'm
not gonna take it anymore."

263
00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:08,101
Jane has this uncanny ability to
see a social trend

264
00:11:08,101 --> 00:11:11,671
and how that can be
brought to the public,

265
00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:14,574
and so, she met with
some of our members

266
00:11:14,574 --> 00:11:16,276
to talk with them about
their experiences.

267
00:11:16,276 --> 00:11:17,777
[gentle music]

268
00:11:22,115 --> 00:11:24,817
After hearing a lot of
the stories, I said,

269
00:11:24,817 --> 00:11:27,253
"I-- I would like to make
a movie about this."

270
00:11:28,621 --> 00:11:29,822
[Karen] I put together
background stats

271
00:11:31,324 --> 00:11:33,593
for Jane to give to
the studio that said,

272
00:11:33,593 --> 00:11:36,329
"There's an audience for this."

273
00:11:36,763 --> 00:11:39,866
When popular culture
thought about work,

274
00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:41,968
they thought about
men in hard hats.

275
00:11:41,968 --> 00:11:44,938
But there're 20 million women
office workers,

276
00:11:45,505 --> 00:11:49,309
and they were starving for
this kind of representation.

277
00:11:50,009 --> 00:11:54,647
That was important in getting
a studio to take a, a gamble.

278
00:11:55,214 --> 00:11:57,383
[Bruce] Karen's background
information was just data

279
00:11:57,383 --> 00:12:01,654
and newspaper clippings,
it wasn't a movie story.

280
00:12:01,654 --> 00:12:03,856
I couldn't see doing a straight
dramatic movie

281
00:12:03,856 --> 00:12:05,892
that would be interesting enough

282
00:12:05,892 --> 00:12:09,362
for a mainstream audience to
be able to deal

283
00:12:09,362 --> 00:12:12,732
with the subject matter and
entertain them at the same time.

284
00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:15,168
And that's a lot harder than
people think it is.

285
00:12:15,168 --> 00:12:17,904
-[train bell dinging]
-[loud rumbling]

286
00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:21,474
Preston Sturges films were what
I would call "social comedies."

287
00:12:21,874 --> 00:12:24,711
One in particular that stands
out is <i> Sullivan's
Travels.</i>

288
00:12:24,711 --> 00:12:26,646
We made it.

289
00:12:26,646 --> 00:12:28,581
Amateurs.

290
00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,049
Sturges would put
his protagonists

291
00:12:30,049 --> 00:12:32,752
in a really unusual situation.

292
00:12:32,752 --> 00:12:34,053
[brakes screeching]

293
00:12:37,724 --> 00:12:39,092
-What you doing down there?
-[Bruce] <i> They were very
funny,</i>

294
00:12:39,092 --> 00:12:41,828
<i> but they were a real
commentary on the times.</i>

295
00:12:41,828 --> 00:12:43,062
I want this picture
to be a document.

296
00:12:43,062 --> 00:12:44,731
I wanna hold a
mirror up to life.

297
00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:46,699
I want this to be a
picture of dignity!

298
00:12:46,699 --> 00:12:48,901
A true canvas of the suffering
of humanity.

299
00:12:48,901 --> 00:12:51,004
-But with a little sex in it?
-With a little sex in it.

300
00:12:51,004 --> 00:12:53,006
-How about a nice musical?
-How can you talk

301
00:12:53,006 --> 00:12:55,341
-about musicals-- -[Bruce] Just
boom, it just hit me.

302
00:12:55,341 --> 00:13:00,279
"The way to do this movie
about women in the workplace

303
00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,282
is to do it as an
ensemble social comedy,

304
00:13:03,282 --> 00:13:05,184
like Preston Sturges."

305
00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:06,119
-[upbeat dance music]
-[horn blaring]

306
00:13:08,388 --> 00:13:10,523
[Lily] Well, Jane came to
see me at the Ahmanson,

307
00:13:10,523 --> 00:13:11,958
I was doing

308
00:13:10,523 --> 00:13:11,958
<i> Appearing Nitely,</i>

309
00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:14,927
which was my first
Broadway show.

310
00:13:14,927 --> 00:13:16,362
And I was really excited that
she was coming to the show,

311
00:13:16,362 --> 00:13:18,598
and she came backstage,

312
00:13:18,598 --> 00:13:21,267
and I'd been a fan of
hers for many years.

313
00:13:21,267 --> 00:13:23,903
[Jane] Just had blown my
mind and made me feel that,

314
00:13:23,903 --> 00:13:25,938
"I don't wanna make a movie
about women office workers

315
00:13:25,938 --> 00:13:29,108
if Lily Tomlin
isn't one of them."

316
00:13:29,108 --> 00:13:31,944
-I was smitten. -Boogie's not a
meaning, boogie is a feeling.

317
00:13:31,944 --> 00:13:33,880
Don't try to understand it,
try to feel it.

318
00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,449
-Do ya feel it?
-[crowd laughing]

319
00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:38,751
[Jane] <i> And then,
um, true story.</i>

320
00:13:38,751 --> 00:13:41,788
<i> I was driving home
from that event</i>

321
00:13:41,788 --> 00:13:44,757
<i> and I turned on the radio, it
was Dolly Parton singing "Two
Doors Down."</i>

322
00:13:44,757 --> 00:13:46,926
<i> -
-[Jane] <i> I thought, "Wow."</i>

323
00:13:46,926 --> 00:13:48,928
<i>
having a party...

324
00:13:48,928 --> 00:13:50,496
[Jane] <i> She's never</i>

325
00:13:48,928 --> 00:13:50,496
<i> been in a movie...</i>

326
00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:52,065
<i>
not aware...

327
00:13:52,065 --> 00:13:54,133
<i> ...but I bet she can
be herself on camera</i>

328
00:13:54,133 --> 00:13:57,303
<i> and herself is
so multi-layered</i>

329
00:13:57,303 --> 00:13:59,839
<i> and interesting that
that would be just fine.</i>

330
00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:03,676
<i>
just two doors down

331
00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:05,945
[Jane] And I could
see her, you know,

332
00:14:05,945 --> 00:14:09,482
just the visual of... [laughing]
she can't see her fingers

333
00:14:09,482 --> 00:14:12,318
and she's got these long nails,
I thought it would be a really
cool thing.

334
00:14:12,318 --> 00:14:14,954
-Hi, Violet. How's everything
going? -[Violet] Oh, d--

335
00:14:14,954 --> 00:14:16,856
[Dolly] I was getting to be
popular in country music,

336
00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:21,027
and Jane Fonda called
me up and said,

337
00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:23,162
"You're Dolly Parton." I said,
"Yes, I am."

338
00:14:23,162 --> 00:14:24,797
She said, "Well, I'm
Jane Fonda." And I said,

339
00:14:24,797 --> 00:14:27,700
"Yes, you are."
[chuckling] Anyway,

340
00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:30,870
I was really excited that I was
even gonna get to work with
Jane.

341
00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:34,006
This is Judy Burnley. Judy's
gonna be working over in my
section, DoraLee Rhodes.

342
00:14:34,006 --> 00:14:36,375
-Hi, Judy. Nice to meet you.
-How do you do?

343
00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:38,478
Hope everybody's been treatin'
you real friendly.

344
00:14:38,478 --> 00:14:40,179
-Showin' you around? -[Dolly]
Well, when I first started

345
00:14:40,179 --> 00:14:42,181
working with Jane,
I thought, "Nah, no,

346
00:14:42,181 --> 00:14:44,183
I hope she's not
gonna be so radical

347
00:14:44,183 --> 00:14:47,053
and so opinionated
and so political

348
00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:49,455
that I'm gonna be
uncomfortable."

349
00:14:49,455 --> 00:14:51,891
And I even said that to her.
You know, when we started,

350
00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:54,327
I said, "Now, I'm not
a political person."

351
00:14:54,327 --> 00:14:58,865
<i>
worse than yours

352
00:14:58,865 --> 00:15:03,302
<i>
I'm a woman

353
00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:06,038
<i> -

354
00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:06,038
didn't have to march up and down

355
00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:06,038
the streets

356
00:15:06,038 --> 00:15:09,842
as I still don't. I try
to live my convictions.

357
00:15:09,842 --> 00:15:12,044
I'd been writing
songs about women

358
00:15:12,044 --> 00:15:15,014
and their strengths
since my first album.

359
00:15:16,182 --> 00:15:20,253
But I was dealing with Jane
Fonda, the actress, the
producer,

360
00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,989
and that we were doing a good
film that had a good message.

361
00:15:22,989 --> 00:15:25,758
We cast this movie before
the movie was written,

362
00:15:25,758 --> 00:15:29,362
and I've never done this
before, uh, or since.

363
00:15:29,362 --> 00:15:34,167
Um, it really helped in-- inform
the development of the
characters.

364
00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:38,037
So, we pitched the idea to
20th Century Fox

365
00:15:38,037 --> 00:15:41,874
and they made a
commitment to a script.

366
00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:48,447
Not to the production, but just
to the writing of a script based
on this idea.

367
00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:51,751
So, there are three secretaries
working for the worst boss in
the world,

368
00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:54,620
and they, they decide
to try to kill him.

369
00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,856
And that's where
we started from.

370
00:15:56,856 --> 00:15:59,559
I went and applied for a job
as a secretary,

371
00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:02,094
and this guy who
was hiring said,

372
00:16:02,094 --> 00:16:04,297
"Well, she can't really type,
but I'd take her out."

373
00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:07,266
[laughing] So, tells you
a little bit about, um,

374
00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:09,902
when we were. And the
characters, particularly,

375
00:16:09,902 --> 00:16:11,938
what ended up being
Dolly's character,

376
00:16:11,938 --> 00:16:14,440
very much based on the research
that I did.

377
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,610
But we were not entirely happy

378
00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:20,313
with the tone that, uh, emerged.

379
00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:22,949
It was a comedy, but it was
a very dark comedy.

380
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:25,384
I had them try to kill him,

381
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:30,156
in funny ways, but it's
still-- it's a black comedy.

382
00:16:30,156 --> 00:16:33,626
[Bruce] <i> To me, the tone
was of utmost importance...</i>

383
00:16:33,626 --> 00:16:36,762
-[frantic music playing]
<i> -...because of the nature of
the subject matter,</i>

384
00:16:36,762 --> 00:16:39,398
<i> where the three women
were going to be</i>

385
00:16:39,398 --> 00:16:41,634
<i> the protagonists in the film,
and there was going to be a
boss</i>

386
00:16:41,634 --> 00:16:45,438
<i> who was definitely not very
attractive, antagonist.</i>

387
00:16:45,438 --> 00:16:46,806
-[muffled groaning] -[Violet]
So, what are we gonna do now?

388
00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,076
To have men watch that

389
00:16:50,076 --> 00:16:53,346
and identify with the women was
very important.

390
00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:58,017
So, uh, we adapted the script to
the new situation

391
00:16:58,017 --> 00:17:01,020
and hired Colin Higgins, the
wonderful writer-director.

392
00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,589
[gentle music]

393
00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:05,625
You know, he wrote <i> Harold
and Maude.</i>   [chuckles]

394
00:17:06,325 --> 00:17:08,628
[Lily] Isn't that enough?

395
00:17:09,428 --> 00:17:12,498
I just love <i> Harold and</i>

396
00:17:09,428 --> 00:17:12,498
<i> Maude,</i>   and I was so excited

397
00:17:12,498 --> 00:17:14,634
when he got involved
with our movie.

398
00:17:14,634 --> 00:17:18,704
Oh, Harold. I am happy.

399
00:17:19,438 --> 00:17:23,442
He had a quirky view of people.

400
00:17:23,442 --> 00:17:26,479
-[shouts] What?
-[siren blaring]

401
00:17:26,479 --> 00:17:29,382
[Jane] <i> And he had a kind
of feminist sensibility.</i>

402
00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:31,150
<i> He loved women.</i>

403
00:17:31,150 --> 00:17:32,818
I love you.

404
00:17:32,818 --> 00:17:34,387
There was no hidden agenda.

405
00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:36,622
We always knew what he felt

406
00:17:36,622 --> 00:17:38,190
and what he-- what he wanted.

407
00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:40,559
So, it was very
easy for all of us,

408
00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,862
but that was especially
important for Dolly,

409
00:17:42,862 --> 00:17:45,131
because she'd never
made a movie before.

410
00:17:45,131 --> 00:17:47,833
[Dolly] <i> Colin was
so gentle, so sweet.</i>

411
00:17:47,833 --> 00:17:50,303
<i> He was not, like,
scary or demanding,</i>

412
00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:53,339
<i> he was not loud.
And that was good,</i>

413
00:17:53,339 --> 00:17:55,908
<i> because I would've not</i>
<i> enjoyed a first movie</i>

414
00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:57,677
<i> with someone like that.</i>

415
00:17:57,677 --> 00:18:00,680
Those three ladies
are just the best.

416
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,882
It was very hard for me because
I had my vision,

417
00:18:02,882 --> 00:18:04,917
it was different
than his vision.

418
00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:09,422
He had little
cartoon birds and...

419
00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:14,260
...fantasies, and it was
pretty slapsticky.

420
00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:15,928
-Violet, get me some coffee.
-[sparkly music playing]

421
00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:18,164
Yes, sir!

422
00:18:18,531 --> 00:18:21,734
[Bruce] <i> Colin came up
with the fantasy sequences</i>

423
00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:26,238
<i> during this process of trying
to come up with a new story
for</i>   9 to 5.

424
00:18:26,238 --> 00:18:29,041
[Jane] We got about
40 women together

425
00:18:29,041 --> 00:18:32,345
from the 9to5, National
Association of Women Office
Workers,

426
00:18:32,345 --> 00:18:34,780
and they went around in a circle
and they told their story.

427
00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:39,952
It was a very stiff and stilted
conversation.

428
00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:42,888
[deeply inhales] And just when
the meeting was about to end,

429
00:18:42,888 --> 00:18:45,124
Colin said, "Do any
of you ever fantasize

430
00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:47,727
what you'd like to do to
your boss?" [laughs]

431
00:18:48,861 --> 00:18:51,297
I just thought, "What a genius!"

432
00:18:51,697 --> 00:18:53,566
And we went around
the circle again.

433
00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:55,101
[upbeat jazz music]

434
00:18:58,437 --> 00:19:00,606
One woman wanted to cut her boss
up into little pieces

435
00:19:00,606 --> 00:19:02,608
and put him in the
coffee grinder,

436
00:19:02,608 --> 00:19:03,909
and then put him in
the coffee machine

437
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:05,277
and have him...
[laughing] drip out.

438
00:19:05,277 --> 00:19:08,114
"Put rat poison in his coffee."

439
00:19:08,114 --> 00:19:10,950
One woman wanted to shred
her boss in a paper shredder.

440
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:12,952
I could laugh,
Colin could laugh,

441
00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:15,755
as men, in this
room full of women,

442
00:19:15,755 --> 00:19:18,391
listening to their
very visual fantasies

443
00:19:18,391 --> 00:19:21,127
about doing in their bosses in
very graphic,

444
00:19:21,127 --> 00:19:23,262
-almost cartoonish ways.
-[whooshing and dogs barking]

445
00:19:23,262 --> 00:19:25,331
[loudly gasps] Who's there?

446
00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:28,300
Looks like you've got
yourself in a spot of trouble.

447
00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:31,470
[Dabney] When I think of that
movie, I always think of Jane

448
00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:36,409
when she came out in that outfit
dressed like a safari hunter.

449
00:19:36,409 --> 00:19:39,512
You're a sexist, egotistical,
lying, hypocritical bigot.

450
00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:40,813
So, I have a few
faults, who doesn't?

451
00:19:40,813 --> 00:19:43,149
Is that any reason to kill me?

452
00:19:43,149 --> 00:19:45,351
-[gunshot]
-[Dabney] And it was funny,

453
00:19:45,351 --> 00:19:47,486
which is the best way
to convince anybody

454
00:19:47,486 --> 00:19:48,854
of anything, in my opinion.

455
00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:50,423
I know it's kind
of controversial

456
00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:52,291
to kidnap your boss...

457
00:19:52,291 --> 00:19:53,859
[announcer] <i> ...Miss
DoraLee Rhodes...</i>

458
00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:55,361
...and, um, hold
them hostage, but...

459
00:19:55,361 --> 00:19:57,997
[indistinct mumbling]

460
00:19:57,997 --> 00:20:01,333
...it seemed like th-- the right
thing to do.

461
00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:04,336
[Lily] Well, I was living in
New York at the time.

462
00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:07,540
And, uh, I didn't
like some of the humor

463
00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:12,812
in the <i> 9 to 5</i>   script, so

464
00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:12,812
I turned it down... at first.

465
00:20:12,812 --> 00:20:14,346
There was, you
know, things in it

466
00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:16,682
that I would consider kind of
silly or empty.

467
00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:18,350
[jazz music]

468
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:19,552
Like, when we were drinking

469
00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:21,854
in the bar after work.

470
00:20:22,188 --> 00:20:25,057
Would you two show
a little spunk?

471
00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:28,894
I mean, what are you,
a man or a mouse?

472
00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:30,896
I mean, a woman or
a wouse. [laughs]

473
00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:33,165
-Hey...
-[Bruce] When Lily Tomlin

474
00:20:33,165 --> 00:20:36,335
turns down your script and tells
you it's not very good,

475
00:20:36,335 --> 00:20:38,704
you start to worry

476
00:20:38,704 --> 00:20:41,740
because she's such
a comedic genius

477
00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:43,909
that you begin to think,

478
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:47,546
"What am I not seeing
in this script?

479
00:20:47,546 --> 00:20:49,715
-What is she seeing?"
-I said first, "man or a mouse,"

480
00:20:49,715 --> 00:20:51,917
then I say, "woman or a wouse."

481
00:20:51,917 --> 00:20:55,488
I don't know, that's just
sort of foolish rhyming.

482
00:20:55,488 --> 00:20:58,757
[laughs] And so, I, I tried
to get Colin to change that.

483
00:20:58,757 --> 00:21:01,060
And my partner, Jane, she said,

484
00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:04,363
"You threw that script back in
Jane Fonda's face.

485
00:21:04,363 --> 00:21:06,732
She developed that movie for
you and Dolly.

486
00:21:06,732 --> 00:21:09,335
What is wrong with you?"

487
00:21:09,335 --> 00:21:12,838
[sighs] "I don't know." [laughs]

488
00:21:12,838 --> 00:21:15,741
And I-- but I-- you know,
I was-- I don't know.

489
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,043
[Dolly] Well, it wasn't hard

490
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,043
for me to make the decision

491
00:21:18,043 --> 00:21:19,678
to do the movie,
because when they said

492
00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:21,780
its Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin,

493
00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:23,415
I thought, "Well,
how hard can this be?

494
00:21:23,415 --> 00:21:25,417
If it's a big hit,

495
00:21:25,417 --> 00:21:27,887
I'll get to, you know, roll
around in the glory.

496
00:21:27,887 --> 00:21:29,355
And if it's a flop, I can
blame it on them,

497
00:21:29,355 --> 00:21:32,358
'cause nobody knows me, anyway,
in the business."

498
00:21:33,692 --> 00:21:37,029
-Morning. -[Dolly] <i> And Dabney
and I had such fun reversing
roles.</i>

499
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:39,064
-Turn around for a second.
-[sighing] Oh.

500
00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:42,968
[whistles] Oh, you
got a nice ass, Frank.

501
00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:45,804
No wonder we were all scared to
death to work with this dynamo.

502
00:21:45,804 --> 00:21:47,773
She's frightening.

503
00:21:47,773 --> 00:21:49,208
[Dolly] <i> I got to</i>

504
00:21:47,773 --> 00:21:49,208
<i> do what Mr. Hart</i>

505
00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:51,977
<i> had been doing to us
girls in the office!</i>

506
00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:54,880
[sniffs] Boy, that's great
cologne you're wearing, Frank.

507
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,316
Oh, thank you. [chuckles]

508
00:21:57,316 --> 00:22:00,486
That stuff's turning me on.
What's that called?

509
00:22:00,486 --> 00:22:03,255
-STUD.
-STUD!

510
00:22:03,255 --> 00:22:06,559
[Bruce] <i> Dolly came
on board right away.</i>

511
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:10,229
<i> Colin Higgins and I had
actually flown to New York</i>

512
00:22:10,229 --> 00:22:13,799
<i> to talk to Gilda Radner about
possibly replacing Lily.</i>

513
00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:17,236
-...selection, Gilda.
-Gilda. Oh,

514
00:22:17,236 --> 00:22:19,905
that struck a knife in my soul.
I adore Gilda.

515
00:22:19,905 --> 00:22:21,840
And she's from Detroit.

516
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,676
I said, "Oh, God,
Gilda'll get this part.

517
00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:25,611
I don't know, I don't know."

518
00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:28,147
And so, I went home,
and I told Jane

519
00:22:28,147 --> 00:22:31,016
that I had turned it down.
That's when Jane really hit the
roof.

520
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:32,585
She said, "You get on the phone
and call them

521
00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:34,353
and tell them you
want that part."

522
00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:39,325
Yeah. She came to her senses,
so all was good.

523
00:22:39,325 --> 00:22:41,193
[woman] What about playing a
secretary that appeals to you?

524
00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:43,495
I mean, you've played almost
everything now.

525
00:22:43,495 --> 00:22:47,199
Well, I play a woman who's, um,

526
00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,768
never worked in her life. She's
a middle-class woman

527
00:22:49,768 --> 00:22:51,937
who's just been
left by her husband,

528
00:22:51,937 --> 00:22:55,107
and who goes into
the job market,

529
00:22:55,107 --> 00:22:57,343
enters this working world of
9 to 5 for the first time.

530
00:22:57,343 --> 00:22:59,845
[upbeat whimsical music]

531
00:22:59,845 --> 00:23:01,347
[young Lily] <i> In 9 to
5, what's depicted is</i>

532
00:23:01,347 --> 00:23:02,648
<i> just how much we keep
the office running.</i>

533
00:23:02,648 --> 00:23:06,151
That's 2:10, at thirty--

534
00:23:06,151 --> 00:23:07,653
[young Lily] Because I'm a
supervisor, I'm not an
executive,

535
00:23:07,653 --> 00:23:09,855
but I'm, I'm kind of in
charge of a big section,

536
00:23:09,855 --> 00:23:11,390
and I'm an old veteran,
I've been there 12 years.

537
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,525
I'm a widow. I have four kids,

538
00:23:13,525 --> 00:23:15,027
and I really have
to keep my job,

539
00:23:15,027 --> 00:23:16,695
but the boss-- I
trained the boss,

540
00:23:16,695 --> 00:23:18,998
-I've trained everybody.
-Right.

541
00:23:18,998 --> 00:23:20,833
-We could improve efficiency
by up to 20%-- -Oh, well,

542
00:23:20,833 --> 00:23:23,002
color-coding, sure,
I looked into that,

543
00:23:23,002 --> 00:23:24,703
but that, that needs a little
work. I mean, I'm gonna have

544
00:23:24,703 --> 00:23:26,405
to get back to you on
that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

545
00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:29,208
[sniffs] Okay.

546
00:23:29,208 --> 00:23:31,543
But they never promote me to
a-- any executive position,

547
00:23:31,543 --> 00:23:34,046
and he steals my ideas.

548
00:23:34,046 --> 00:23:37,850
We are gonna start color-coding
the accounts from now on.

549
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:40,185
-Frank's done a brilliant study
with efficiency-- -Yeah, thank
you, sir.

550
00:23:40,185 --> 00:23:43,989
Really? Congratulations,
Mr. Hart.

551
00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:45,591
[man] What was new to you about
doing a film?

552
00:23:45,591 --> 00:23:46,892
Now, as I understand it,
you hadn't even seen

553
00:23:46,892 --> 00:23:49,228
a film being made,
is that correct?

554
00:23:49,228 --> 00:23:51,697
That's true. I had went through
the Universal Tour.

555
00:23:51,697 --> 00:23:55,200
[laughter]

556
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,337
Dolly has this, you
know, giggly persona

557
00:23:58,337 --> 00:24:02,675
that is so a-- approachable,
and she's so funny.

558
00:24:02,675 --> 00:24:05,944
-It wasn't really a surprise
that she could act. -Oh, hi,
Judy.

559
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,047
-How's everything going?

560
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,047
-[Bruce] <i> She plays the</i>

561
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,047
<i> beautiful assistant</i>

562
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,047
<i> secretary.</i>

563
00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:09,882
Hey, how would you like to have
lunch with me today?

564
00:24:09,882 --> 00:24:12,084
Well, I'm afraid
I, I can't, thanks.

565
00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:14,286
-[indistinct chatter] -[Bruce]

566
00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:14,286
<i> That is looked at</i>

567
00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:17,756
<i> by some of the other women
as being kind of less than.</i>

568
00:24:17,756 --> 00:24:19,925
Well, I think I should stay in
the office an--

569
00:24:19,925 --> 00:24:23,562
and get to know the routine, uh,
but thanks, anyway.

570
00:24:24,396 --> 00:24:28,067
-Yeah, sure. -[Bruce] <i> It's
kind of a, a reverse sexism,</i>

571
00:24:24,396 --> 00:24:28,067
<i> actually.</i>

572
00:24:28,067 --> 00:24:32,204
<i> Because of their looks,
they're viewed as not having
top-notch skills.</i>

573
00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:37,776
Those stereotypes really seeped
into women's consciousness,

574
00:24:37,776 --> 00:24:40,979
and it took a lot for women to
really examine that,

575
00:24:40,979 --> 00:24:45,417
and say, "Is that really me?
Am I the office girl?

576
00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:49,822
Or am I a working woman who
deserves to be taken seriously?"

577
00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:52,257
-Franklin Hart's office.
-[Bruce] In a funny kind of way,

578
00:24:52,257 --> 00:24:55,294
these three very
different actresses

579
00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:59,665
also sh-- [chuckling] you know,
shared several things

580
00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:03,335
of, uh, trying to make it in a,
in a male-dominated industry,

581
00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:07,506
playing characters in a movie
about women in a male-dominated
industry.

582
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,509
That really lent itself to
developing that close personal
relationship.

583
00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:14,980
Sometimes, during the movie,
it was like in high school.

584
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:17,583
You know, like, I'd see the
two of them talking together,

585
00:25:17,583 --> 00:25:19,852
and then I'd think,

586
00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:21,820
"They like each other
better than they like me."

587
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,189
-[laughter] I always thought
that... -Lily was always--

588
00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:25,691
...th-- especially the first
couple of weeks, because you two

589
00:25:25,691 --> 00:25:27,326
started before I
did, and I'd come in,

590
00:25:27,326 --> 00:25:28,827
and you'd be in there working
in the kitchen,

591
00:25:28,827 --> 00:25:30,996
th-- you know, the
office kitchen,

592
00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:33,832
and I was just sure that they
were, like, best friends,

593
00:25:33,832 --> 00:25:35,300
-and they sort of liked me.
-[laughter]

594
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,035
I do remember that
coming on the set

595
00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:38,804
the first day with Dolly was--

596
00:25:38,804 --> 00:25:42,708
uh, she had--

597
00:25:42,708 --> 00:25:45,310
uh, was quite surprised
we were not shooting

598
00:25:45,310 --> 00:25:48,180
the first scene first.
That we were, you know,

599
00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:50,883
shooting the office scenes,
because she had, uh,

600
00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:53,652
memorized the whole script.

601
00:25:54,653 --> 00:25:57,122
-[young Dolly] I just assumed we
had to-- -[man] Like a play.

602
00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:59,858
-Everybody's part, though.
-Yeah, my part and her part

603
00:25:59,858 --> 00:26:02,027
-and her part and Dabney's part.
-[laughing]

604
00:26:02,027 --> 00:26:03,862
But I'm not-- just knew
the script back and forth.

605
00:26:03,862 --> 00:26:06,031
And I just, every week,
I would, you know,

606
00:26:06,031 --> 00:26:09,034
I would read it and I would read
it with my secretary.

607
00:26:09,034 --> 00:26:11,203
-Uh, I'd have her read the other
parts. -Did y-- did you
practice--

608
00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:14,306
-did you pra-- -Yeah, I would
practice, yeah. And, uh, that
was fun.

609
00:26:14,306 --> 00:26:15,507
-It was-- I tri-- -How were
you in my part?

610
00:26:15,507 --> 00:26:17,576
I was great in your part.

611
00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,545
[Lily] The first
day of shooting,

612
00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:21,647
I had to shoot
for the animation,

613
00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,049
and of course, the
animation wasn't there.

614
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:26,218
So, it's, like, I had
to, like, you know,

615
00:26:26,218 --> 00:26:28,253
like, little birds are flying
around me and all that stuff.

616
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,222
[animated music playing]

617
00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:35,027
I just thought I was terrible.

618
00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:37,930
I saw my image and I thought,

619
00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,732
"Ugh, how so stupid, I just
can't go through with this."

620
00:26:40,732 --> 00:26:43,068
So, I went to Bruce
Gilbert and I said,

621
00:26:43,068 --> 00:26:44,603
"Bruce, you gotta let
me out of the movie,

622
00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:46,205
you don't have to
pay me or anything."

623
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:49,241
Those 24 hours, when
Lily Tomlin said

624
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:51,910
she thought she
should quit the film

625
00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:55,214
or that I should release
her from the film

626
00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:58,383
because her performance
wasn't up to snuff,

627
00:26:58,383 --> 00:27:01,720
wa-- you know, w-- was
o-- one of those moments,

628
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,889
especially since Lily Tomlin

629
00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:07,192
was so key to playing
the demented Snow White,

630
00:27:07,192 --> 00:27:09,728
and she had turned the project
down once before.

631
00:27:09,728 --> 00:27:12,030
I saw my life flashing
before my eyes.

632
00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:14,800
Just the first day
of shooting in film,

633
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,202
and one of the lead actresses
wants to quit the picture.

634
00:27:17,202 --> 00:27:19,872
Now, nobody tells Lily

635
00:27:19,872 --> 00:27:21,707
in their right mind
how to be funny.

636
00:27:21,707 --> 00:27:24,776
[whimsical music playing]

637
00:27:24,776 --> 00:27:28,714
And if it's not funny now,
it will be in five seconds.

638
00:27:29,281 --> 00:27:33,785
And funnier the next day because
she knows how to be funny.

639
00:27:33,785 --> 00:27:35,454
We loved Dabney 'cause he was
a scoundrel that--

640
00:27:35,454 --> 00:27:37,890
just lovable scoundrel.

641
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:39,591
You girls, of course,
never got a chance

642
00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:42,160
to play football or baseball.

643
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,229
[Lily] <i> And Mr. Hart's
walking around,</i>

644
00:27:44,229 --> 00:27:48,300
<i> pontificating about teamwork
and playing football.</i>

645
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,603
...it's probably the best place
to learn what teamwork is all
about.

646
00:27:51,603 --> 00:27:55,641
And I said to Colin, "Can I
just say to Judy, sotto voce,

647
00:27:55,641 --> 00:27:58,310
'Well, I've got the bad back
to prove it.'"

648
00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:00,779
And Colin'd say, "Oh, no, no,
they'll never hear that."

649
00:28:00,779 --> 00:28:03,148
-It's weakest link-- Goddammit!
-[chair clacks]

650
00:28:03,148 --> 00:28:05,117
[Lily] <i> And sure enough, they
didn't. They were laughing</i>

651
00:28:05,117 --> 00:28:08,320
<i> at Dabney so much, they
would never have heard me.</i>

652
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,455
-Well, I-- -I like someone
who knows where the laughs are

653
00:28:10,455 --> 00:28:12,591
ahead of time.

654
00:28:12,591 --> 00:28:15,127
-Good God.
-Oh.

655
00:28:15,827 --> 00:28:18,096
[indistinct mumbling]

656
00:28:18,463 --> 00:28:19,998
-[door closes]
-Who was that?

657
00:28:19,998 --> 00:28:22,668
-A friend.
-Obviously.

658
00:28:22,668 --> 00:28:25,003
So, that's what you're
into now. Bondage?

659
00:28:25,003 --> 00:28:27,306
-What's that?
-And later, Jane says,

660
00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:29,141
"And if I want to do MandMs or..."

661
00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:31,510
...have an affair or, or play,
play sex games,

662
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:34,846
or do MandMs, you can't stop me!

663
00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:37,215
-MandMs? -[Lily] I said, "Well,
I don't like that joke.

664
00:28:37,215 --> 00:28:39,985
That's just too
lame." And every time,

665
00:28:39,985 --> 00:28:44,990
I'd go to the, to the screening
and there'd be riotous laughter.

666
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:48,694
Colin always knew his audience.

667
00:28:48,694 --> 00:28:52,564
And he knew where the laughs
were, he was really kind of
divine that way.

668
00:28:53,131 --> 00:28:55,867
So I learned that
Lily's first reaction

669
00:28:55,867 --> 00:28:57,903
is not always the best reaction.

670
00:28:57,903 --> 00:28:59,538
[light melancholic music]

671
00:29:01,206 --> 00:29:04,209
[Jane] Back when we made

672
00:29:01,206 --> 00:29:04,209
<i> 9 to 5</i>   in the late '70s,

673
00:29:04,209 --> 00:29:07,579
women earned less than 60
cents to the dollar

674
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:10,649
that a man would earn
doing the same work.

675
00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:14,252
And it wasn't easy for women to
talk about money.

676
00:29:14,886 --> 00:29:18,657
So, we wanted to show how...

677
00:29:19,558 --> 00:29:21,660
...biased the system
is against women.

678
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,096
All I have done
is be a housewife.

679
00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:27,899
-Mm. -Oh, I wanted to ask you
about my salary.

680
00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:30,235
-I don't think I c-- -It's a
very touchy subject around here.

681
00:29:30,235 --> 00:29:32,337
You'll have to take that up with
our boss, Mr. Hart.

682
00:29:32,337 --> 00:29:34,740
Only six out of 100 women

683
00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:37,676
ever made it into management
out of the typing pool.

684
00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:40,379
[Jane] So, a very smart
woman like Violet...

685
00:29:40,379 --> 00:29:44,016
-Would you look at this?
-...could train a new guy,

686
00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:46,184
and then, he would just be
promoted right past her.

687
00:29:46,184 --> 00:29:48,020
For Christ's sake,
I trained him.

688
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:49,554
I know that, but see,
the, the company--

689
00:29:49,554 --> 00:29:52,024
Oh, the company bullshit!

690
00:29:52,024 --> 00:29:54,393
It's your decision, you
promoted him. You tell me why.

691
00:29:54,393 --> 00:29:57,095
-He does have a family to
support. -And I don't?

692
00:29:57,095 --> 00:29:58,597
[man] You don't like
women out on a job?

693
00:29:58,597 --> 00:30:01,266
Well, uh, homemaking has its--

694
00:30:01,266 --> 00:30:03,535
there's two things must clarify,
there are homemakers

695
00:30:03,535 --> 00:30:06,104
and there are women that
work o-- outside of the home.

696
00:30:06,104 --> 00:30:08,106
Uh, putting these things in
proper perspective.

697
00:30:08,106 --> 00:30:10,942
Women should st-- still
should be women, you know.

698
00:30:10,942 --> 00:30:13,378
The girls, I think, uh, got
it over the guys.

699
00:30:13,378 --> 00:30:15,947
They get everything paid for and
everything else.

700
00:30:15,947 --> 00:30:19,251
I don't see what, what they're
really... arguing about.

701
00:30:19,251 --> 00:30:22,120
I think they have just as m--
many rights as the guys have.

702
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,057
Well, women that, uh, probably
have been divorced or something

703
00:30:25,057 --> 00:30:28,126
have to go out and work. I think
there's a special type of work
that they should do.

704
00:30:28,126 --> 00:30:30,962
But I think they, uh, should do
feminine work.

705
00:30:30,962 --> 00:30:31,830
[young Jane] You know, a lot of
people believe

706
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,132
that women who go to work, uh,

707
00:30:34,132 --> 00:30:36,802
do it s-- out of some trip,
they wanna be liberated.

708
00:30:36,802 --> 00:30:38,804
And, uh, you know, I
think it's important

709
00:30:38,804 --> 00:30:41,139
to recognize that women work
'cause they have to.

710
00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:43,909
[Violet] Norman, she has never
worked in her life before!

711
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:46,311
She needs the job. She's
recently divorced.

712
00:30:46,311 --> 00:30:48,580
And so? And I'm a
widow with four kids.

713
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:50,449
Jerry should've
never died, I c--

714
00:30:50,449 --> 00:30:51,817
I'd be better off, I could have
divorced him.

715
00:30:51,817 --> 00:30:54,286
[light whimsical music]

716
00:30:54,286 --> 00:30:56,321
Many women are the sole
supporters of families,

717
00:30:56,321 --> 00:30:58,323
and many women have
to work to supplement

718
00:30:58,323 --> 00:31:00,192
their husband's income in order
to raise the family income

719
00:31:00,192 --> 00:31:02,294
above the poverty level.

720
00:31:02,294 --> 00:31:06,431
My husband's income did
not cover all of our needs.

721
00:31:06,431 --> 00:31:09,267
So I started pursuing a job.

722
00:31:09,267 --> 00:31:12,337
And everywhere I went,
they turned me down.

723
00:31:12,337 --> 00:31:16,007
They said, "We do not have work
for any women."

724
00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:18,176
Wouldn't even let me fill out
an application.

725
00:31:18,176 --> 00:31:21,146
I'd even offer to
work free for a week

726
00:31:21,146 --> 00:31:22,514
to prove that I
could do the job,

727
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:26,551
and they still were
not interested.

728
00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,520
I have four children.

729
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,489
Are you the sole
support of the children?

730
00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:33,625
-Yes. And I do have-- -That's
a pretty strong issue.

731
00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:37,028
And I do have to work.

732
00:31:37,028 --> 00:31:39,631
[Patricia] But there
was no childcare.

733
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:43,168
Where were you supposed to
leave your kids?

734
00:31:43,168 --> 00:31:46,505
Women are expected to be
the primary caretakers

735
00:31:46,505 --> 00:31:51,042
and still show up at offices.

736
00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:55,013
I don't think you can go out to
work not knowing,

737
00:31:55,013 --> 00:31:57,382
you know, whether your child
is being cared for properly.

738
00:31:57,382 --> 00:32:00,719
It's definitely a, a thought in
your mind at all times.

739
00:32:00,719 --> 00:32:02,721
[gentle music]

740
00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:13,398
[Ellen] It used to be the man
working at a job

741
00:32:13,398 --> 00:32:16,568
and the woman staying home and
taking care of the children.

742
00:32:16,568 --> 00:32:18,737
Now, all of sudden,
we have the syndrome

743
00:32:18,737 --> 00:32:21,339
of women office
workers being expected

744
00:32:21,339 --> 00:32:24,409
just kind of take care of men
in the office.

745
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:27,179
Coffee, Violet.

746
00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:30,549
Now.

747
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:32,784
Yes, sir.

748
00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:34,286
[Karen] This notion
that you were there

749
00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:37,923
to get their coffee
just drove us insane.

750
00:32:37,923 --> 00:32:39,791
[Rita] I would call them
the Bustelo woman.

751
00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:42,093
Bustelo is a brand of coffee.

752
00:32:42,093 --> 00:32:45,430
And, uh, that's
all I was offered,

753
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:48,266
those kinds of parts after I did

754
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:48,266
<i> West Side Story. </i> You

755
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:48,266
know, coffee pourer.

756
00:32:48,266 --> 00:32:51,136
The old thing about coffee and
who gets coffee,

757
00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:53,939
I mean, that's not such a
big deal, it's just a symbol.

758
00:32:53,939 --> 00:32:56,107
-[man] Oh, right, yeah.
-Uh, but when people get

759
00:32:56,107 --> 00:32:59,211
a little more aware about
symbols, it means a lot.

760
00:32:59,211 --> 00:33:01,146
Your coffee, Mr. Hart.

761
00:33:01,146 --> 00:33:03,048
I'm glad I had the
presence of mind

762
00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:05,417
to be a liberated Snow White.

763
00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:08,286
[whimsical music playing]

764
00:33:08,286 --> 00:33:09,621
I think there was something
in that coffee!

765
00:33:09,621 --> 00:33:11,590
Bingo.

766
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:13,992
[Mr. Hart screaming]

767
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:15,994
We used to call it, "being
the office wife."

768
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,263
You had to take over all of
the daily duties

769
00:33:18,263 --> 00:33:21,299
of whatever man you
were working for.

770
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:28,173
The things that bosses felt free
to ask their secretaries was
just jaw-dropping.

771
00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:31,142
We had a boss who
required his secretary

772
00:33:31,142 --> 00:33:35,914
to sew a seam in his pants while
he still had them on.

773
00:33:37,082 --> 00:33:40,986
Another boss who required a
secretary to clean his dentures.

774
00:33:40,986 --> 00:33:45,490
One who gave his
secretary his beeper

775
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:49,327
to go cruise in the bar
downstairs from the office,

776
00:33:49,327 --> 00:33:50,996
and let him know if there'd be
any women there

777
00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:54,032
who met his specifications.

778
00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:59,204
And so, the movie is trying
to grapple with these issues.

779
00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:01,506
Oh, Violet, by the way, my
wife is coming by later on.

780
00:34:01,506 --> 00:34:02,641
I'd like to get her a little
present. Could you pick her out

781
00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:04,342
a nice scarf or something?

782
00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:06,344
All I'm saying, Mr. Hart,

783
00:34:06,344 --> 00:34:08,213
is that my job description
doesn't say anything

784
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,115
-about making purchases for your
wife. -Goddammit!

785
00:34:10,115 --> 00:34:11,850
When I ask an employee,
especially one

786
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:13,518
who wants to be
promoted to management,

787
00:34:13,518 --> 00:34:15,720
I expect a little cooperation--

788
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:17,689
[Jane] The issue that got
the most attention

789
00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:21,693
because it has to do with sex is
sexual harassment.

790
00:34:21,693 --> 00:34:23,561
[phone ringing]

791
00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:29,134
-Hello. -[Shirley] The calls
come in every single night.

792
00:34:29,134 --> 00:34:32,737
They range from a
very young woman

793
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:36,174
being harassed by her employer
for sexual favors

794
00:34:36,174 --> 00:34:39,344
to a very elderly
woman being harassed.

795
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:43,715
Fortune 500, small companies,
school systems.

796
00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:47,052
I can't think of any particular
kind of work environment

797
00:34:47,052 --> 00:34:49,254
from which we haven't
received a call

798
00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:52,057
of either discrimination or
sexual harassment.

799
00:34:52,057 --> 00:34:54,225
These women need their jobs

800
00:34:54,225 --> 00:34:56,728
and they have to put up with
the kind of remarks

801
00:34:56,728 --> 00:34:58,730
and the kind of attitude

802
00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:01,099
that no worker should
have to tolerate.

803
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:03,935
You know what the man needs? The
man needs a good piece of ass.

804
00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:05,837
Why don't you fix him up with
your secretary?

805
00:35:05,837 --> 00:35:06,838
-She's the choicest piece around
here. -No, no, no.

806
00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:08,840
That's baby's for papa.

807
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,542
[Bruce] You know,
we cut down on some

808
00:35:10,542 --> 00:35:12,877
of the sexual harassment scenes.

809
00:35:12,877 --> 00:35:15,280
Some of them were
just too cringeworthy,

810
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,382
but the ones we left in were
certainly reflective

811
00:35:17,382 --> 00:35:21,052
of women's everyday experiences.

812
00:35:21,419 --> 00:35:23,688
It's five o'clock,
Mr. Hart. You wanted to see me?

813
00:35:23,688 --> 00:35:25,690
[Mr. Hart] Oh, I
did, DoraLee. Uh,

814
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:27,926
I'd like you to come over to my
house tonight.

815
00:35:27,926 --> 00:35:29,627
Oh, wait now. I'm not, uh,
working tonight, Mr. Hart.

816
00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:31,096
This is Friday, remember?

817
00:35:31,096 --> 00:35:34,232
Uh, who said
anything about work?

818
00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:36,735
-[chuckles] -[Dolly] I don't
take life too serious,

819
00:35:36,735 --> 00:35:38,737
but <i> 9 to 5, </i> it
touched on some things

820
00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:40,739
that needed to be
touched on at the time,

821
00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:43,541
back when we did this
in, uh, '79, '80.

822
00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:46,311
-Now, let's don't get excited.
-Get your scummy hands off of
me.

823
00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:48,246
Look, I've been straight with
you from the first day I got
here,

824
00:35:48,246 --> 00:35:50,248
and I put up with all
your pinchin' and starin'

825
00:35:50,248 --> 00:35:52,484
and chasing me around the desk
'cause I need this job.

826
00:35:52,484 --> 00:35:55,620
-But this is the last straw!
-Sexual harassment.

827
00:35:55,620 --> 00:36:00,225
It wasn't talked about then.
Now, it seems like, "Duh."

828
00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:02,794
-Look, I got a gun out there in
my purse. -[grunts]

829
00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:04,562
And up till now, I've been
forgiving and forgetting

830
00:36:04,562 --> 00:36:05,663
because of the way
I was brought up.

831
00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:08,566
Like DoraLee, I've always known

832
00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:11,603
how to stand my ground based on
who, who I am and where I'm from

833
00:36:11,603 --> 00:36:13,738
and how my daddy
told me to handle it.

834
00:36:13,738 --> 00:36:15,640
If you ever say
another word about me

835
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,909
or make another
indecent proposal,

836
00:36:17,909 --> 00:36:20,311
I'm gonna get that gun of
mine and I'm gonna change you

837
00:36:20,311 --> 00:36:21,613
from a rooster to a
hen with one shot!

838
00:36:21,613 --> 00:36:23,481
[whimpers]

839
00:36:23,481 --> 00:36:26,284
[DoraLee] Don't
think I can't do it.

840
00:36:26,584 --> 00:36:27,018
[door bangs]

841
00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:32,323
-Shit.
-Somebody was once talking

842
00:36:32,323 --> 00:36:34,859
about doing comedy, they said,
if you are doing comedy,

843
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:38,663
if you're doing funny--
something that's funny,

844
00:36:38,663 --> 00:36:40,799
you shouldn't think of yourself
as being funny while you're
doing it.

845
00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:45,370
Oh, it's so fragile and elusive,
you know, the--

846
00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:48,807
It's easier to make people cry,

847
00:36:48,807 --> 00:36:52,277
but the thin line that brings
someone over the edge

848
00:36:52,277 --> 00:36:55,447
to make them laugh is
really easy to miss.

849
00:36:55,847 --> 00:36:59,284
It's very subtle.
Very, very subtle.

850
00:36:59,284 --> 00:37:01,886
And, uh, Dabney Coleman,
who plays the boss,

851
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:04,889
and Lily Tomlin, their timing...

852
00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:09,360
-[indistinct chatter] -...their
choices are, as any other actor

853
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,364
or director who knows comedy
will tell you, brilliant.

854
00:37:13,364 --> 00:37:15,366
Oh, I'm sorry, Violet, why, why
don't you sit down. Sit down
over there!

855
00:37:15,366 --> 00:37:17,035
I'm just getting ready to play
my last card.

856
00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:19,838
I'm gonna send you
three bitches to jail.

857
00:37:19,838 --> 00:37:22,373
Originally, the studio
wanted a movie star

858
00:37:22,373 --> 00:37:24,209
in the boss's role.

859
00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:26,711
Not a TV actor.

860
00:37:26,711 --> 00:37:28,847
They're going
like, "Dabney who?"

861
00:37:28,847 --> 00:37:31,082
At the time, culturally,

862
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:34,052
there were TV actors
and film actors,

863
00:37:34,052 --> 00:37:36,221
and there was a huge
gulf in-between.

864
00:37:36,221 --> 00:37:38,857
-Mr. Hart, if you'd only listen.
-You listen to me.

865
00:37:38,857 --> 00:37:41,025
I'll see y'all in prison before
I'm through.

866
00:37:41,025 --> 00:37:45,830
Steve Martin, Richard Dreyfuss,
and other names came up.

867
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:47,866
And we had kind of
an uphill battle

868
00:37:47,866 --> 00:37:50,535
because it was a revelation to
a lot of people

869
00:37:50,535 --> 00:37:52,837
that women could carry a movie.

870
00:37:52,837 --> 00:37:55,206
And I kept saying to them,

871
00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:57,909
"The women are the
star of this movie."

872
00:37:57,909 --> 00:37:59,944
And we had to struggle
with the studio

873
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:02,780
to approve Dabney
Coleman in that role

874
00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:05,083
and get the green light
to make the movie.

875
00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:06,718
-[rattling]
-[indistinct chatter]

876
00:38:06,718 --> 00:38:10,288
I was virtually the
only man in the movie.

877
00:38:11,356 --> 00:38:14,259
-And it was thrilling.
-I'm gonna get loose.

878
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:16,461
[Dabney] <i> I mean, I'm stepping
in there with three giants.</i>

879
00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:19,063
You start tangling with me,

880
00:38:19,063 --> 00:38:21,232
you better be prepared
to play very rough.

881
00:38:21,232 --> 00:38:23,935
So, how important
was Dabney Coleman

882
00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:27,038
in the making of this movie or
in the success of this movie?

883
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:29,140
-Enormous.
-As you know,

884
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:32,777
the chairman of the board of
Consolidated Companies,

885
00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:34,612
-working on consequent--
-[clattering]

886
00:38:34,612 --> 00:38:36,781
Ooh! Oh, the pencils, yeah.

887
00:38:36,781 --> 00:38:40,084
[chuckling] It's all
right. I'll get it.

888
00:38:40,084 --> 00:38:42,453
[Bruce] <i> Doing a Preston
Sturges type comedy</i>

889
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:45,757
<i> is extremely hard and</i>
<i> actually pull it off.</i>

890
00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:46,791
-Let me help you with those.
-No, that's okay.

891
00:38:46,791 --> 00:38:48,760
[Bruce] Dabney plays a role

892
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,096
where he does absolutely
despicable things.

893
00:38:52,096 --> 00:38:55,300
You know, you mean so much more
to me than just...

894
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:56,935
...a dumb secretary, so I--

895
00:38:56,935 --> 00:38:58,670
[Bruce] <i> And at</i>

896
00:38:56,935 --> 00:38:58,670
<i> the same time,</i>

897
00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:00,939
<i> you never
really hate him.</i>

898
00:39:00,939 --> 00:39:02,106
-You didn't have to do that.
-[Dabney] Well, it is a comedy

899
00:39:02,106 --> 00:39:04,008
and comedies are tricky.

900
00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:06,244
You never know what's
gonna work or not.

901
00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:09,814
Mr. Hart, I've told you before,
I'm a married woman!

902
00:39:09,814 --> 00:39:11,983
And I'm a married man, that's
what makes it so perfect.

903
00:39:11,983 --> 00:39:14,686
-Oh, Mr. Hart. Oh!
-No. DoraLee, please.

904
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:18,089
But the trick of it, for
all comedy, in my opinion,

905
00:39:18,089 --> 00:39:21,492
is do it straight, especially
when you're being bad.

906
00:39:21,492 --> 00:39:22,961
-Oh, for heaven's sake!
-I need you--

907
00:39:22,961 --> 00:39:25,163
What are you doing, Mr. Hart?

908
00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:25,697
Call me, Frank.

909
00:39:27,265 --> 00:39:28,466
Any amount of rottenness

910
00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:29,767
that he wants to display

911
00:39:29,767 --> 00:39:32,003
is perfect for this character,

912
00:39:32,003 --> 00:39:34,038
because he has no redeeming
qualities at all.

913
00:39:34,038 --> 00:39:36,841
He is a bad person. But
that's the fun of it.

914
00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:40,445
-Oh! Whoa! No.
-Oh-- Did you hurt yourself?

915
00:39:40,845 --> 00:39:43,181
Wha-- what are you
doing down here?

916
00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:46,150
Anyone who would take,
uh, that seriously

917
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:49,887
and say, "Well, that is not what
all, uh, male bosses are like,"

918
00:39:49,887 --> 00:39:51,889
-is missing the point.
-Dabney Coleman is not

919
00:39:51,889 --> 00:39:53,658
all that different
from Mr. Hart!

920
00:39:53,658 --> 00:39:55,526
He's a Texas boy for real.

921
00:39:55,526 --> 00:39:57,528
[upbeat inspirational music]

922
00:39:57,528 --> 00:39:59,864
But he's such a pro, though.

923
00:39:59,864 --> 00:40:02,533
He knew all about
male chauvinists,

924
00:40:02,533 --> 00:40:05,003
growing up there in Texas
with those good ole boys.

925
00:40:05,003 --> 00:40:06,971
Mr. Hart, if you touch that
phone, I'm gonna jerk it

926
00:40:06,971 --> 00:40:07,972
-clean out of the wall.
-[Dolly] <i> And so,</i>

927
00:40:07,972 --> 00:40:09,574
<i> we had a real good time</i>

928
00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:10,742
<i> -on the set.</i>
-Whoa.

929
00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:12,076
-[grunts] I mean it.
-Oh!

930
00:40:12,076 --> 00:40:13,978
I know you think
this is all a joke.

931
00:40:13,978 --> 00:40:16,247
[Mr. Hart indistinctly mumbling]

932
00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:17,849
[Bruce] <i> I credit</i>

933
00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:17,849
<i> Colin with giving us</i>

934
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:20,218
<i> the device of
kidnapping the boss.</i>

935
00:40:20,218 --> 00:40:22,587
<i> That structure
gave us the ability</i>

936
00:40:22,587 --> 00:40:25,490
<i> to put in the issues that
the feminist movement</i>

937
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:28,226
<i> and the 9to5 organization
wanted to see happen in real
life.</i>

938
00:40:28,226 --> 00:40:30,000
<i> -Like equal pay,</i>

939
00:40:28,226 --> 00:40:30,695
-[typewriter clacking]

940
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,695
<i> -Like equal pay,</i>

941
00:40:30,695 --> 00:40:33,865
<i> like who gets promoted,</i>
<i> like maternity leave.</i>

942
00:40:33,865 --> 00:40:35,366
<i> Not to mention,
sexual harassment.</i>

943
00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:38,169
[typewriter dings and clacks]

944
00:40:38,169 --> 00:40:41,105
The movie really pointed
out a lot things,

945
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,341
a lot of issues that needed to
be dealt with.

946
00:40:43,341 --> 00:40:47,011
And the fact that it was what
it was at that time,

947
00:40:47,011 --> 00:40:50,748
you know, it's almost like
a protest movie of a sort.

948
00:40:50,748 --> 00:40:52,684
[women chanting]

949
00:40:50,748 --> 00:40:52,684
<i>

950
00:40:52,684 --> 00:40:56,587
<i>
powerful! Join us now!

951
00:40:56,587 --> 00:40:59,424
<i> -

952
00:40:56,587 --> 00:40:59,424
<i>

953
00:40:56,587 --> 00:40:59,424
American feminism

954
00:40:59,424 --> 00:41:04,028
started in the '60s alongside
the civil rights movement.

955
00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:08,433
Women were saying, "I want
equity, I want parity,

956
00:41:08,433 --> 00:41:12,203
I want equality, I want
equal rights under the law."

957
00:41:12,203 --> 00:41:14,539
[reporter] <i> "Join us now.
Sisterhood is powerful."</i>

958
00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:17,575
<i> The battle cry of the
women's liberation movement,</i>

959
00:41:17,575 --> 00:41:20,144
<i> to protest against all
kinds of discrimination,</i>

960
00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:23,414
<i> which they say they suffer in
a world run largely by men.</i>

961
00:41:23,414 --> 00:41:25,249
[women chanting] <i>
sisters! Free ourselves!

962
00:41:25,249 --> 00:41:27,719
<i>
Free ourselves

963
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,120
<i> -
-[Zoe] We were on the upswing

964
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,091
of human right, and it was all
gonna turn out great.

965
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:35,960
We were on the road to right.

966
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,397
To morality and ethics
and civil rights.

967
00:41:39,397 --> 00:41:43,468
[Rita] I thought that feminists
were extreme

968
00:41:43,468 --> 00:41:47,839
and terribly embarrassing
and pushy and aggressive.

969
00:41:48,306 --> 00:41:52,143
And I could not conceive of
myself ever saying publicly,

970
00:41:52,143 --> 00:41:54,679
"I don't deserve this
terrible treatment."

971
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:55,947
I didn't think it was
terrible treatment.

972
00:41:55,947 --> 00:41:57,482
I thought it was--
that was the norm.

973
00:41:57,482 --> 00:41:58,950
[suspenseful music]

974
00:41:58,950 --> 00:42:01,319
[Karen] By the late '70s,

975
00:42:01,319 --> 00:42:04,322
there was a huge backlash
against the women's movement,

976
00:42:04,322 --> 00:42:07,625
and "feminism" was a hot word.

977
00:42:07,625 --> 00:42:09,360
The Equal Rights Amendment

978
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,165
will die 16 months from Tuesday.

979
00:42:14,499 --> 00:42:18,536
[Karen] There were forces that
would take the language of
feminism,

980
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:23,374
and it was used as a weapon
against women's equality.

981
00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:25,877
We wanted to sidestep that.

982
00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:29,814
[melancholic music]

983
00:42:29,814 --> 00:42:32,283
[Ellen] <i> Many 9to5 members
would join the organization
saying,</i>

984
00:42:32,283 --> 00:42:34,852
<i> "I'm not a feminist."</i>

985
00:42:34,852 --> 00:42:36,821
I don't understand what women's
lib is, anyway.

986
00:42:36,821 --> 00:42:40,525
Women are becoming less women.

987
00:42:40,525 --> 00:42:43,227
I wanna be a woman, I wanna be
treated like a woman and
feminine,

988
00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:46,631
and the way we
always were treated.

989
00:42:46,631 --> 00:42:49,500
"But I believe in fair pay, I
believe in women's equality."

990
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,670
Well, pay could be better, yes.

991
00:42:54,205 --> 00:42:57,675
[Jane] <i> In</i>   9 to 5, <i> we
were drilling down into the</i>

992
00:42:54,205 --> 00:42:57,675
<i> issues.</i>

993
00:43:00,044 --> 00:43:03,748
<i> We wanted to show how three
very different women came
together.</i>

994
00:43:03,748 --> 00:43:06,684
It's lookin' good. But if we're
gonna do this,

995
00:43:06,684 --> 00:43:09,253
why don't we make changes
that really count?

996
00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:12,590
There was a point at
which the women said,

997
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:15,326
"We're just gonna take over! We
can do it better. We're doing
it, anyway.

998
00:43:15,326 --> 00:43:18,062
We're not given the credit or
the pay, but we're doing it.

999
00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:20,665
This guy doesn't know what
the hell he's doing.

1000
00:43:20,665 --> 00:43:22,400
If it wasn't for Violet,
he'd run the thing

1001
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,169
into the ground." And so,
they just took over.

1002
00:43:25,169 --> 00:43:27,004
-Hold it right there.
-[door opens]

1003
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:30,374
My God, you're as
crazy as the other two.

1004
00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:32,944
Not that feminism means that
women have to take over,

1005
00:43:32,944 --> 00:43:35,913
but it means coming
into your own,

1006
00:43:35,913 --> 00:43:39,450
it means having agency.

1007
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:43,454
The women began to feel they had
agency over their jobs,

1008
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:45,056
their workplace,
and their lives.

1009
00:43:45,056 --> 00:43:46,457
[gentle music]

1010
00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:48,926
[Lily] I admired Jane.

1011
00:43:48,926 --> 00:43:52,396
I didn't think she was a radical
feminist by any means.

1012
00:43:53,197 --> 00:43:55,533
But I knew her pretty well

1013
00:43:53,197 --> 00:43:55,533
from her movies,

1014
00:43:55,533 --> 00:43:58,269
her earlier movies,

1015
00:43:58,469 --> 00:44:02,273
gossip sheets, and
movie magazines.

1016
00:44:02,273 --> 00:44:04,775
But she certainly was a,

1017
00:44:04,775 --> 00:44:08,446
a person of consciousness
and awareness.

1018
00:44:08,446 --> 00:44:10,781
[Bruce] Jane was, by this time,
a major movie star

1019
00:44:10,781 --> 00:44:13,584
when we were making

1020
00:44:10,781 --> 00:44:13,584
the movie <i> 9 to 5.</i>

1021
00:44:14,051 --> 00:44:17,455
And one of the things she had
developed as an actress

1022
00:44:17,455 --> 00:44:23,728
was the relationship between
the costumes and the actress,

1023
00:44:23,728 --> 00:44:25,963
being able to
develop a character

1024
00:44:25,963 --> 00:44:28,966
who's got a whole backstory.

1025
00:44:28,966 --> 00:44:33,571
Costumes are always very
important to an actor,

1026
00:44:33,571 --> 00:44:38,943
and Ann Roth is the
quintessential actor's
costumier.

1027
00:44:38,943 --> 00:44:41,612
[Ann] I had worked

1028
00:44:38,943 --> 00:44:41,612
with Jane on <i> Klute</i>

1029
00:44:41,612 --> 00:44:44,982
and Jane is the
consummate actor.

1030
00:44:44,982 --> 00:44:48,452
I was most interested
in making them

1031
00:44:48,452 --> 00:44:52,490
look like working girls
who punched a time clock.

1032
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:55,660
Very normal. The kind of women

1033
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:57,862
that you would see

1034
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:57,862
in <i> Life Magazine,</i>

1035
00:44:57,862 --> 00:44:59,964
not <i> Mademoiselle,</i>
not <i> Vogue.</i>

1036
00:44:59,964 --> 00:45:03,000
-[Violet] Is that her?
-[man] Yes.

1037
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,168
We're gonna need a special
locker for the hat.

1038
00:45:04,168 --> 00:45:06,170
[elevator dings]

1039
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:09,006
You figure out each
one of those women,

1040
00:45:09,006 --> 00:45:11,609
where she comes from,
where she lives,

1041
00:45:11,609 --> 00:45:13,678
how much she spends
on her clothes.

1042
00:45:13,678 --> 00:45:16,280
And they should look real.

1043
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,550
Although, of course, Dolly was
expected to be Dolly.

1044
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:22,286
I will soitenly tell him, Roz.

1045
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:26,657
[Bruce] <i> Everything with the
costumes was to underscore</i>

1046
00:45:26,657 --> 00:45:29,226
<i> that these three very
different characters</i>

1047
00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:31,963
<i> would come across as
three smart girls,</i>

1048
00:45:31,963 --> 00:45:34,699
<i> and I think it paid
off in the film.</i>

1049
00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:37,301
[young Dolly] But I love the
character that Jane played,

1050
00:45:37,301 --> 00:45:39,203
because oddly enough,

1051
00:45:39,203 --> 00:45:42,840
I saw in that character
a great deal of you,

1052
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,042
of another side of Jane that,
that people don't see all the
time.

1053
00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:47,345
She's very outspoken as a rule,

1054
00:45:47,345 --> 00:45:50,548
and people think sometimes,
you know, even hard.

1055
00:45:50,548 --> 00:45:54,852
But there was this sweet,
gentle little girl side in Jane

1056
00:45:54,852 --> 00:45:58,222
that I think is, is
so sweet and loveable.

1057
00:45:58,222 --> 00:46:01,826
And that was one of the big
surprises, you know, in working
with, with her.

1058
00:46:01,826 --> 00:46:04,328
This particular trip I've spent
talking about boobs

1059
00:46:04,328 --> 00:46:06,897
and, uh, and how
I deal with Jane

1060
00:46:06,897 --> 00:46:09,166
-and what my folks think about
Jane... -[laughter]

1061
00:46:09,166 --> 00:46:12,203
...and what the south thinks
about me being friends with
Jane,

1062
00:46:12,203 --> 00:46:13,904
-but, you know, if we had
agreed to do it-- -[laughter]

1063
00:46:13,904 --> 00:46:15,106
-[cross talk]
-I can't believe it, can you?

1064
00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:15,906
[Dolly] You wouldn't
believe the things

1065
00:46:15,906 --> 00:46:17,508
they're asking me, honestly.

1066
00:46:17,508 --> 00:46:18,542
-[cross talk]
-I'm dumbfounded.

1067
00:46:18,542 --> 00:46:20,011
...she reappeared three ro--

1068
00:46:20,011 --> 00:46:21,278
Well, I'm just
saying, I, you know,

1069
00:46:21,278 --> 00:46:23,047
-and I've said, you
know-- -[laughter]

1070
00:46:23,047 --> 00:46:23,848
[Dolly] <i> The three
of us were so</i>

1071
00:46:23,848 --> 00:46:25,716
<i> completely different,</i>

1072
00:46:25,716 --> 00:46:27,251
<i> -but we were so
connected.</i>   -Wait--

1073
00:46:27,251 --> 00:46:28,586
-I forgot my line.
-That's all right--

1074
00:46:28,586 --> 00:46:29,920
[Dolly] We really respected

1075
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,422
and admired each other

1076
00:46:31,422 --> 00:46:33,591
for our own beliefs

1077
00:46:33,591 --> 00:46:34,925
and for our own
principles and values,

1078
00:46:34,925 --> 00:46:36,560
and it really showed on screen,

1079
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,595
'cause we really
liked each other.

1080
00:46:37,595 --> 00:46:39,230
Like our characters,

1081
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:42,199
we were, at that
time, very smart gals,

1082
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,101
proud that we were accomplishing
all these things,

1083
00:46:44,101 --> 00:46:45,469
being strong women.

1084
00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:48,606
-How's Lily?
-[laughs]

1085
00:46:48,606 --> 00:46:50,775
-[beeps] -[Jane] <i> Dolly, Lily,
and I</i>

1086
00:46:50,775 --> 00:46:52,710
<i> are kind of cool.</i>

1087
00:46:50,775 --> 00:46:52,710
[chuckles] <i> I don't know,</i>

1088
00:46:50,775 --> 00:46:52,710
<i> we're fun.</i>

1089
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:55,446
Wow. I thought I
have a V-8. [laughs]

1090
00:46:55,446 --> 00:46:56,647
[Jane] And so, when you get
the three of us together...

1091
00:46:56,647 --> 00:46:59,050
[laughter]

1092
00:46:59,050 --> 00:47:01,318
-...it's even funner.
-Wait. No. W-- wait.

1093
00:47:01,318 --> 00:47:03,254
-[laughing] -No, you're
hysterical. Now, stop it,
Violet.

1094
00:47:03,254 --> 00:47:05,790
-You're completely hysterical.
Calm down. -I can't help it.

1095
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:08,626
-I really admire Dolly.
-Violet, honey? Could you--

1096
00:47:08,626 --> 00:47:10,928
-[laughter]
-[Jane] It's not just the things

1097
00:47:10,928 --> 00:47:12,730
that you know about
her, but she's got

1098
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:15,800
a very deep side to her.

1099
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,803
Very perceptive, very
smart, and playful.

1100
00:47:18,803 --> 00:47:21,138
-[laughter]
-[beeps]

1101
00:47:21,138 --> 00:47:23,808
Do-- what's green and smell like
Miss Piggy, Judy?

1102
00:47:23,808 --> 00:47:25,810
-[laughing] No!
-[laughter]

1103
00:47:25,810 --> 00:47:27,411
Kermit's finger. Look at that.

1104
00:47:27,411 --> 00:47:29,480
-[laughter and cross talk]
-[beeps]

1105
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,816
When Jane and I first started
working with her,

1106
00:47:31,816 --> 00:47:34,485
it was just astonishing,
especially for Dabney.

1107
00:47:34,485 --> 00:47:37,154
Aw, that wasn't so bad, was it?

1108
00:47:37,154 --> 00:47:39,623
-[Lily] Because Dolly's
figure... -No.

1109
00:47:39,623 --> 00:47:42,660
...is out of the scale of human
proportions.

1110
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:45,429
Jane and I would be turning, we
go, "Oh, Dolly! I'm so sorry."

1111
00:47:45,429 --> 00:47:48,365
Her head would be way back here.
And a couple times,

1112
00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:52,803
we did, like, have a
collision with Dolly.

1113
00:47:52,803 --> 00:47:55,172
Have you always been, um,

1114
00:47:57,208 --> 00:48:00,778
uh, you know, well-endowed?
I mean, even in school

1115
00:48:00,778 --> 00:48:02,546
were you like that?

1116
00:48:02,546 --> 00:48:04,148
Yeah, I couldn't
leave them home.

1117
00:48:04,148 --> 00:48:07,551
[crowd laughing]

1118
00:48:07,551 --> 00:48:11,956
<i>
a way to make a livin'

1119
00:48:11,956 --> 00:48:16,160
<i> -

1120
00:48:11,956 --> 00:48:16,160
-I said to Jane,

1121
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,029
"Yes, I would love to do this
movie, under one condition.

1122
00:48:19,029 --> 00:48:21,532
I get to write the theme song
and sing it."

1123
00:48:21,532 --> 00:48:23,534
That was part of my deal.

1124
00:48:23,534 --> 00:48:25,703
And she said,
"Well, fair enough."

1125
00:48:25,703 --> 00:48:27,571
<i>

1126
00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:29,306
[Nicholas] We were shooting
on the Fox lot,

1127
00:48:29,306 --> 00:48:33,043
and one day, I was
walking to the stage,

1128
00:48:33,043 --> 00:48:37,148
and it was Dolly's day off,
but Dolly had come to the set

1129
00:48:37,148 --> 00:48:40,050
and she was in the, uh,
teamster's car, she's in the
back seat,

1130
00:48:40,050 --> 00:48:42,052
and she had the window down and
she said, "Nicholas,

1131
00:48:42,052 --> 00:48:44,355
come over here, come over here!"
And I went, "Oh, hi, Dolly."

1132
00:48:44,355 --> 00:48:46,991
And I went over there, and
she had her guitar.

1133
00:48:46,991 --> 00:48:49,059
And she is, "Listen to
this. What do you think?"

1134
00:48:49,059 --> 00:48:51,595
-Yeah, I-- I'll start it now.
Yeah. -She wrote it pretty much.

1135
00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:53,731
-I mean, you guys, you guys--
-Perfectly, but we know--

1136
00:48:53,731 --> 00:48:56,167
Uh, yeah. Don't start
until I point a--

1137
00:48:56,167 --> 00:49:00,671
-an accusing finger, okay? So,
it goes-- -[throats clearing]

1138
00:49:00,671 --> 00:49:05,342
<i> -
to five what a way to make a
livin'

1139
00:49:05,342 --> 00:49:08,679
<i>
by it's all...

1140
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:10,080
[young Dolly] <i> We recorded
this last week, and we had</i>

1141
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,516
<i> all the secretaries
come on set,</i>

1142
00:49:12,516 --> 00:49:14,685
<i> and Jane and Lily come over,
and we did, like, a
sing-along.</i>

1143
00:49:14,685 --> 00:49:20,591
<i>
you crazy if you let it

1144
00:49:20,591 --> 00:49:24,228
<i> -
and devotion...
</i>-[laughing]

1145
00:49:24,228 --> 00:49:26,063
<i>

1146
00:49:26,063 --> 00:49:28,132
And she was clicking
with her fingernails

1147
00:49:28,132 --> 00:49:30,201
and everything. I
said, "What's that?"

1148
00:49:30,201 --> 00:49:31,602
And she said, "I just wrote
that for the film.

1149
00:49:31,602 --> 00:49:33,637
Do you think it's any good?"

1150
00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:35,139
I said, "I've only
heard 20 seconds,

1151
00:49:35,139 --> 00:49:36,373
but it's a hit, Dolly."

1152
00:49:36,373 --> 00:49:38,742
[fingernails clicking]

1153
00:49:38,742 --> 00:49:40,878
That's how she said
she wrote "9 to 5."

1154
00:49:42,112 --> 00:49:44,281
I'm not very good
at that either.

1155
00:49:45,115 --> 00:49:46,984
Just, "Do you think I should
play it for Jane and Colin?"

1156
00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:49,620
"Yes!" So, I think
I might've been

1157
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:51,956
the first person to
ever hear that song.

1158
00:49:51,956 --> 00:49:54,124
[Lily] I said to Bruce
Gilbert and Jane,

1159
00:49:54,124 --> 00:49:56,627
"If this movie is not a big hit,
this song will be.

1160
00:49:56,627 --> 00:49:58,062
It will make us a hit."

1161
00:49:58,062 --> 00:50:00,598
[upbeat music]

1162
00:50:00,598 --> 00:50:03,634
[Bruce] <i> 9 to 5</i>   was

1163
00:50:00,598 --> 00:50:03,634
released in December of 1980.

1164
00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:10,407
Obviously, we were
not a Christmas movie.

1165
00:50:10,407 --> 00:50:13,811
So, there was certainly some
trepidation from the studio

1166
00:50:13,811 --> 00:50:16,647
about whether this would be
a very popular film.

1167
00:50:16,647 --> 00:50:18,782
And there were a lot
of other comedies

1168
00:50:18,782 --> 00:50:20,951
being released at
the exact same time.

1169
00:50:20,951 --> 00:50:24,255
I sentence you to 125 years.

1170
00:50:24,255 --> 00:50:26,156
[yelling] What? What?

1171
00:50:26,156 --> 00:50:27,658
[loud thuds]

1172
00:50:27,658 --> 00:50:30,127
Have you got the right case?

1173
00:50:30,127 --> 00:50:32,930
[Dolly] I'm sure that Jane was
really sweating it,

1174
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:36,166
hoping that she was right,
hoping that it would do well,

1175
00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:38,769
but I just remember thinkin',
"This could go either way."

1176
00:50:38,769 --> 00:50:41,305
[camera shutters clicking]

1177
00:50:41,305 --> 00:50:43,641
[reporter] Another major movie
premiere here in Hollywood.

1178
00:50:43,641 --> 00:50:45,943
Tonight, it's <i> 9 to 5,</i>

1179
00:50:45,943 --> 00:50:48,345
the movie that's
starring Lily Tomlin,

1180
00:50:48,345 --> 00:50:51,482
Jane Fonda, and Dolly Parton,

1181
00:50:51,482 --> 00:50:55,052
who up until tonight has
been known as a singing star.

1182
00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:57,154
-She steals the movie. She's--
absolutely. -Does she--

1183
00:50:57,154 --> 00:50:59,523
She's absolutely wonderful.
She's a natural.

1184
00:50:59,523 --> 00:51:02,126
[Ellen] The movie also had it's
New York premiere,

1185
00:51:02,126 --> 00:51:03,961
and we were sitting
in the audience.

1186
00:51:03,961 --> 00:51:06,030
I remember Karen
squeezing my hand

1187
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:08,732
and just-- we were
just so thrilled.

1188
00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:10,701
[Karen] We knew that we
couldn't do this on our own.

1189
00:51:10,701 --> 00:51:14,338
And the glamour of Hollywood!

1190
00:51:14,338 --> 00:51:18,676
Jane Fonda, Dolly Parton, and
Lily Tomlin had our backs now.

1191
00:51:18,676 --> 00:51:21,011
-You look great tonight. How
does one go about choosing...
-Oh, thank you!

1192
00:51:21,011 --> 00:51:23,414
...uh, what she wears to
her movie premiere?

1193
00:51:23,414 --> 00:51:26,250
Well, one just has
to have somebody

1194
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:28,919
make a couple of things a-- and
pick from 'em.

1195
00:51:28,919 --> 00:51:32,222
And Ann Roth did this dress,
and I love white.

1196
00:51:32,523 --> 00:51:35,326
[Lilly] We all went to see
it, and we were just floored

1197
00:51:35,326 --> 00:51:39,563
with how accurate even
the comedy parts were.

1198
00:51:39,563 --> 00:51:41,832
[Ellen] <i> Jane was asked,
"Are you lighting a fire</i>

1199
00:51:41,832 --> 00:51:45,235
<i> under the desks in the
offices of America?"</i>

1200
00:51:45,235 --> 00:51:48,172
<i> And she said, "No.
Secretaries are lighting those
fires,</i>

1201
00:51:48,172 --> 00:51:50,741
<i> and we are just
fanning the flames."</i>

1202
00:51:50,741 --> 00:51:53,077
[young Jane] We've shown it to a
lot of audiences and they just
roar.

1203
00:51:53,077 --> 00:51:54,611
And men love it just
as much as women.

1204
00:51:54,611 --> 00:51:56,547
I think it's gonna...

1205
00:51:57,948 --> 00:52:00,851
-...it's gonna make a lot of
people very happy. -[laughter]

1206
00:52:01,618 --> 00:52:04,254
[Roger] Unfortunately, this is
a comedy that's kind of dumb,

1207
00:52:04,254 --> 00:52:06,056
where the three secretaries in
a giant corporation,

1208
00:52:06,056 --> 00:52:08,258
and they are, of
course, the victims

1209
00:52:08,258 --> 00:52:11,261
of rampaging corporate male
chauvinist piggism.

1210
00:52:11,261 --> 00:52:13,597
-[chuckles] -But, uh, when it
doesn't get on its high horse

1211
00:52:13,597 --> 00:52:15,466
and isn't trying to hit us
over the head with its message,

1212
00:52:15,466 --> 00:52:16,567
the movie's great fun to watch.

1213
00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:18,102
[upbeat rock music]

1214
00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:37,087
[Bruce] 9 to 5 <i> was the second
highest-grossing film,</i>

1215
00:52:37,087 --> 00:52:39,957
<i> only coming in behind one of
the</i>   Star Wars <i> films.</i>

1216
00:52:39,957 --> 00:52:42,126
<i> And some critics had a
problem with the movie,</i>

1217
00:52:42,126 --> 00:52:44,161
<i> but the important
thing is that</i>   9 to 5

1218
00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:46,830
<i> became popular all
over the world.</i>

1219
00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:51,635
<i> And 40 years later,
it's a classic film.</i>

1220
00:52:52,269 --> 00:52:54,838
As very earnest activists,

1221
00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:57,574
we sometimes had a problem
with the comedy.

1222
00:52:57,574 --> 00:52:58,575
[upbeat suspenseful
music playing]

1223
00:53:01,111 --> 00:53:04,481
-[shakily] Hi? -It was not
some... [sighs] po-faced

1224
00:53:04,481 --> 00:53:06,950
feminist bangin' on.

1225
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:10,654
It was a group of
brilliant actors

1226
00:53:10,654 --> 00:53:15,192
being funny and succeeding.

1227
00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:18,128
I remember seeing the film
and going, "Oh, my goodness!

1228
00:53:18,128 --> 00:53:21,331
I don't believe it.
They've done it."

1229
00:53:21,331 --> 00:53:24,034
[Zoe] I'm hoping that the
women went to work that day

1230
00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:27,604
and fantasized, "Now, I
wonder if we could get that

1231
00:53:27,604 --> 00:53:30,340
attached to the ceiling."

1232
00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:31,975
You know, you just don't know
what silliness

1233
00:53:31,975 --> 00:53:33,710
they might've been
inspired to do,

1234
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:36,346
but they were emboldened...

1235
00:53:36,346 --> 00:53:38,315
-[dings]
-[Mr. Hart screaming]

1236
00:53:38,315 --> 00:53:40,451
...because it was on screen
and it was fun.

1237
00:53:40,451 --> 00:53:41,685
DoraLee! [indistinctly mumbles]

1238
00:53:43,287 --> 00:53:45,689
[Lily] When we were
promoting the film,

1239
00:53:45,689 --> 00:53:47,991
we were, uh, counseled by some
media person.

1240
00:53:52,029 --> 00:53:56,800
And he told us that we should
emphasize that it's a comedy.

1241
00:53:57,167 --> 00:53:59,837
The movie <i> 9 to 5 </i> is

1242
00:53:57,167 --> 00:53:59,837
a message movie, uh,

1243
00:53:59,837 --> 00:54:01,705
a little heavy-handed,
in my estimation.

1244
00:54:01,705 --> 00:54:03,240
-Do ya think so? -Yeah, and I'm
a very active feminist.

1245
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,375
-Uh-- -Oh.

1246
00:54:06,477 --> 00:54:11,081
They must have known how certain
issues, uh, might be perceived.

1247
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:13,050
[mimicking woman] Phoenicia,

1248
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:13,050
last night, I saw <i> 9 to 5,</i>

1249
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:15,853
and let me tell you, it opened
my eyes to new horizons.

1250
00:54:15,853 --> 00:54:18,021
I've taken enough
gaffe and enough crud

1251
00:54:18,021 --> 00:54:20,257
around this place
for long enough.

1252
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:23,060
I've been a-- [stutters]
I've been a retiring person,

1253
00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:25,729
I've tried to please everyone.
I've had a pleasant personality

1254
00:54:25,729 --> 00:54:27,598
under t-- under the
duress of it all,

1255
00:54:27,598 --> 00:54:29,399
but believe me, things
are gonna change,

1256
00:54:29,399 --> 00:54:31,602
and I'm gonna give the old
boss's plug a yank.

1257
00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:35,239
[Rita] The film was giving
permission to women,

1258
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,576
who maybe were still reticent,
like myself.

1259
00:54:39,576 --> 00:54:41,678
"Don't put with that."

1260
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,249
And a lot of women in America

1261
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,249
loved that message.

1262
00:54:45,249 --> 00:54:46,750
[gentle music]

1263
00:54:50,687 --> 00:54:52,890
[upbeat music playing]

1264
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:54,892
[reporter] <i> And the
fabulous Dolly Parton,</i>

1265
00:54:54,892 --> 00:54:56,693
<i> nominated in the
Best Song category</i>

1266
00:54:56,693 --> 00:54:58,729
<i> for her composition,
"9 to 5."</i>

1267
00:54:58,729 --> 00:55:00,931
<i>

1268
00:55:00,931 --> 00:55:03,100
[Dolly] I was
nominated for an Oscar

1269
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,537
for Best Song, and
that was a great honor.

1270
00:55:06,537 --> 00:55:10,974
I'd been hoping and praying that
the song would be a hit and it
was.

1271
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:13,777
<i> -


1272
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:13,777
<i> was very popular.</i>

1273
00:55:13,777 --> 00:55:15,546
<i> -

1274
00:55:13,777 --> 00:55:15,546
-[Karen] "9 to 5" became an

1275
00:55:13,777 --> 00:55:15,546
anthem

1276
00:55:15,546 --> 00:55:19,283
for the women's movement. So
she captured the individual

1277
00:55:19,283 --> 00:55:23,086
trying to live her
life to the fullest.

1278
00:55:24,054 --> 00:55:26,723
<i>
to watch you shatter

1279
00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:27,491
<i> -

1280
00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:27,491
<i>

1281
00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:27,491
<i> step</i>

1282
00:55:27,491 --> 00:55:29,726
<i> on the bossman's ladder."</i>

1283
00:55:29,726 --> 00:55:32,095
<i> And then, it's a
collective response</i>

1284
00:55:32,095 --> 00:55:34,264
<i> when we realize that
we're in the same boat,</i>

1285
00:55:34,264 --> 00:55:36,466
<i> -that's where we get our</i>

1286
00:55:34,264 --> 00:55:36,466
<i> power.</i>   -[indistinct chatter]

1287
00:55:36,466 --> 00:55:39,269
Anyone who is turned off by a
movie like this is possibly,

1288
00:55:39,269 --> 00:55:41,838
uh, a little hung up somewhere,

1289
00:55:41,838 --> 00:55:44,107
unless they could possibly
not-- uh, like the movie.

1290
00:55:44,107 --> 00:55:45,342
But if you are talking
about what I think you are,

1291
00:55:45,342 --> 00:55:47,477
which is a, a chauvinistic type

1292
00:55:47,477 --> 00:55:49,680
-of, uh, anti-ERA...
-[woman] Mm-hmm.

1293
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,483
...or anti-feminist, uh, uh,
uh, philosophy,

1294
00:55:53,483 --> 00:55:56,853
if you are talking about that,
then I think that, uh,

1295
00:55:56,853 --> 00:55:59,022
they may be a little hung up.

1296
00:55:59,022 --> 00:56:02,426
[Zoe] Just imagine
all these secretaries

1297
00:56:02,426 --> 00:56:04,828
going to this movie together!

1298
00:56:04,828 --> 00:56:08,999
Maybe movies were
$2 at the time.

1299
00:56:08,999 --> 00:56:12,936
And the secretaries, they are
the ones moving the office.

1300
00:56:12,936 --> 00:56:15,272
They are the ones
taking the calls.

1301
00:56:15,272 --> 00:56:18,342
They are the ones making
Mr. Hart look smart...

1302
00:56:18,342 --> 00:56:21,011
-What? When?
-...when, in fact, he's a fool.

1303
00:56:21,011 --> 00:56:23,680
-[sharp rustling]
-Holy shit.

1304
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,283
Uh-- no, no! No, no problem.

1305
00:56:26,283 --> 00:56:28,318
[Zoe] <i> So, that's</i>

1306
00:56:26,283 --> 00:56:28,318
<i> the breakout.</i>

1307
00:56:28,318 --> 00:56:30,153
<i> That's the wonder
of this movie.</i>

1308
00:56:30,153 --> 00:56:31,989
Holy shit. There he is.
[chuckles nervously]

1309
00:56:31,989 --> 00:56:34,958
[shakily] It's really emotional.

1310
00:56:34,958 --> 00:56:37,327
-[indistinct shouting]

1311
00:56:34,958 --> 00:56:37,327
<i> -The movie</i>   9 to 5,

1312
00:56:37,327 --> 00:56:39,963
<i> coming out when it did,</i>

1313
00:56:39,963 --> 00:56:42,966
<i> perfectly synced with the
Equal Rights Amendment.</i>

1314
00:56:43,667 --> 00:56:46,737
<i> Many women now joining,</i>
<i> who worked in offices,</i>

1315
00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:49,406
<i> were inspired
by the film.</i>

1316
00:56:50,374 --> 00:56:52,376
So, remember, men, if
you come to work tomorrow

1317
00:56:52,376 --> 00:56:54,678
and your secretary refuses to
do the filing,

1318
00:56:54,678 --> 00:56:56,346
and then go home and
find that your wife

1319
00:56:56,346 --> 00:56:58,982
has refused to do the cooking,
don't blame them.

1320
00:56:58,982 --> 00:57:02,019
Remember, you gave them
the vote 50 years ago.

1321
00:57:02,019 --> 00:57:05,489
This is Mike Scott, male
chauvinist. TV9, Eyewitness
News.

1322
00:57:05,489 --> 00:57:07,190
[light dramatic music]

1323
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:08,892
[Zoe] <i> Equal
Rights Amendment</i>

1324
00:57:08,892 --> 00:57:13,363
<i> was written in
1923 by Alice Paul.</i>

1325
00:57:13,363 --> 00:57:15,065
<i> -She was a Republican.</i>

1326
00:57:13,363 --> 00:57:15,065
-[man] <i> The Equal Rights</i>

1327
00:57:13,363 --> 00:57:15,065
<i> Amendment...</i>

1328
00:57:15,065 --> 00:57:17,934
[Zoe] The ERA was
an amendment to say,

1329
00:57:17,934 --> 00:57:21,071
"You cannot discriminate between
men and women

1330
00:57:21,071 --> 00:57:24,608
when it comes to things that are
ruled by the law."

1331
00:57:25,342 --> 00:57:27,110
It seemed obvious.

1332
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:30,747
In almost every
Congress since 1923,

1333
00:57:30,747 --> 00:57:32,949
there's been proposed
a constitutional amendment

1334
00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:35,185
to guarantee equal
rights for women.

1335
00:57:35,185 --> 00:57:37,587
Well, today, it
finally won approval.

1336
00:57:37,587 --> 00:57:40,223
Proclaiming once and for all
that women have

1337
00:57:40,223 --> 00:57:42,693
all the same rights
as that other sex.

1338
00:57:42,693 --> 00:57:45,262
[Zoe] So, in 1971,

1339
00:57:45,262 --> 00:57:48,031
there were hearings in Congress.

1340
00:57:48,031 --> 00:57:51,301
In 1972, it went out to the
states for ratification,

1341
00:57:51,301 --> 00:57:53,637
and the requirement
was three fifths,

1342
00:57:53,637 --> 00:57:56,573
which would've been 38 states.

1343
00:57:56,573 --> 00:57:59,109
And they were given a deadline.

1344
00:57:59,109 --> 00:58:01,278
Virginia is the only
unratified state

1345
00:58:01,278 --> 00:58:03,413
with elections this year.

1346
00:58:03,413 --> 00:58:05,415
When you vote next Tuesday,
you are not voting

1347
00:58:05,415 --> 00:58:06,983
for yourselves only,

1348
00:58:06,983 --> 00:58:09,119
you are voting for all of us.

1349
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,654
-[crowd cheering and clapping]
-The whole country

1350
00:58:10,654 --> 00:58:12,789
is looking to
Virginia for a sign,

1351
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:15,592
a sign that the ERA can win.

1352
00:58:15,592 --> 00:58:17,294
The Equal Rights
Amendment will put women

1353
00:58:17,294 --> 00:58:19,763
where they've never been before.

1354
00:58:19,763 --> 00:58:21,798
In the constitution of the
United States of America.

1355
00:58:21,798 --> 00:58:24,000
[clapping and cheering increase]

1356
00:58:26,136 --> 00:58:28,438
For more than four years,
no state has ratified

1357
00:58:28,438 --> 00:58:30,674
The Equal Rights Amendment. Now,
there's just a year left

1358
00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:32,843
to get the three more states

1359
00:58:32,843 --> 00:58:35,679
needed to reach the 38 required
for ratification,

1360
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:36,613
or the amendment will die.

1361
00:58:36,613 --> 00:58:38,348
[dramatic music]

1362
00:58:38,348 --> 00:58:39,149
[woman] Are you still working

1363
00:58:39,149 --> 00:58:41,985
actively for ERA?

1364
00:58:41,985 --> 00:58:44,788
Are you making speeches
on behalf of ERA?

1365
00:58:44,788 --> 00:58:46,790
Uh, I'm part of an organization
in California

1366
00:58:46,790 --> 00:58:48,992
that works primarily
on economic issues,

1367
00:58:48,992 --> 00:58:50,827
and that would certainly include
the Equal Rights Amendment,

1368
00:58:50,827 --> 00:58:53,196
but we deal, uh, essentially

1369
00:58:53,196 --> 00:58:56,666
with, um, the problems of
inflation and unemployment.

1370
00:58:56,666 --> 00:58:59,169
-[woman] Mm-hmm.
-Economic issues.

1371
00:59:00,303 --> 00:59:03,273
We ask that you would give us
your divine wisdom.

1372
00:59:03,273 --> 00:59:05,108
[reporter] <i> Opposing both the</i>

1373
00:59:03,273 --> 00:59:05,108
<i> state and the federal</i>

1374
00:59:03,273 --> 00:59:05,108
<i> amendment</i>

1375
00:59:05,108 --> 00:59:09,279
<i> are women like these,
members of STOP ERA.</i>

1376
00:59:09,279 --> 00:59:12,182
<i> According to them, the
ERA is anti-family,</i>

1377
00:59:12,182 --> 00:59:14,851
<i> anti-God, a
government intrusion</i>

1378
00:59:14,851 --> 00:59:16,987
<i> that will remove the
legal protections</i>

1379
00:59:16,987 --> 00:59:19,389
<i> that have shaped women's
lives for centuries.</i>

1380
00:59:19,389 --> 00:59:21,858
[Sonia] This society has
said to us, and said to me,

1381
00:59:21,858 --> 00:59:23,827
"Being a wife and a mother

1382
00:59:23,827 --> 00:59:26,730
is the most important
thing you can do."

1383
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:28,698
And then, when we
do it for 20 years,

1384
00:59:28,698 --> 00:59:30,133
and my husband walks out,

1385
00:59:30,133 --> 00:59:32,169
decides he's not
gonna pay anything,

1386
00:59:32,169 --> 00:59:34,070
and certainly not enough to
support the children,

1387
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:36,039
what do I find out this
society is gonna do for me?

1388
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,642
Nothing. I have no
hospitalization,

1389
00:59:38,642 --> 00:59:41,211
I have no pension, I have no
social security,

1390
00:59:41,211 --> 00:59:44,347
I have nothing at all.

1391
00:59:44,347 --> 00:59:46,983
[Phyllis] Aren't we lucky that
we don't have the Equal Rights
Amendment?

1392
00:59:46,983 --> 00:59:49,753
Else that would have to apply to
women in the draft

1393
00:59:49,753 --> 00:59:52,389
and in combat and in everything
to do with the military

1394
00:59:52,389 --> 00:59:56,159
since the military is all
a matter of federal law.

1395
00:59:56,159 --> 01:00:00,664
-I ask you to... -STOP ERA is a
front for great corporations

1396
01:00:00,664 --> 01:00:03,200
who wou-- to whom it
would be devastating

1397
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,570
if women had even equal pay
for equal work in this country.

1398
01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:08,738
-The insurance company-- -But,
but people from STOP ERA will
say,

1399
01:00:08,738 --> 01:00:11,107
"But women are
already protected."

1400
01:00:12,075 --> 01:00:13,910
-Well, uh-- -As far as equal pay
is concerned.

1401
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:16,079
Oh, that's just nonsense.

1402
01:00:16,713 --> 01:00:18,381
-[young Jane] I was recently
down in Roanoke Rapids... -[man]
Mm.

1403
01:00:18,381 --> 01:00:20,250
...North Carolina, visiting
some of the workers there,

1404
01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:22,419
and they can't afford
to go to movies.

1405
01:00:22,419 --> 01:00:24,454
Not only 'cause the ticket
prices are so high,

1406
01:00:24,454 --> 01:00:26,389
-but, you know, babysitters,
transportation... -[man] Yes.

1407
01:00:26,389 --> 01:00:28,625
...parking, all that. And
those are the kind of people

1408
01:00:28,625 --> 01:00:32,295
that I'd also like
to, to be working for.

1409
01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:35,365
That is true. Uh, there's still
a percentage of people who don't
get out

1410
01:00:35,365 --> 01:00:37,868
-to the movie theaters. -Yeah.
Uh, I wanna go into television.

1411
01:00:37,868 --> 01:00:40,070
I guess my main
motivation is to--

1412
01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:42,973
is to try to reach large
numbers of people.

1413
01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:45,308
-[alarm ringing]
-["9 to 5" by Dolly Parton]

1414
01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:51,915
[Bruce] After <i> 9 to 5</i>   came

1415
01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:51,915
out and it was so successful,

1416
01:00:51,915 --> 01:00:56,753
20th Century Fox Television
wanted a TV show spinoff of the
movie,

1417
01:00:56,753 --> 01:01:00,123
and we were very
open to that idea.

1418
01:01:00,123 --> 01:01:04,794
So, Jane and I became
executive producers.

1419
01:01:04,794 --> 01:01:07,130
[young Jane] Because they're
women, they're at the bottom of
the ladder.

1420
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:09,933
They're rarely promoted. Uh,
they're discriminated against

1421
01:01:09,933 --> 01:01:11,835
in many different ways. And
they've always been ignored

1422
01:01:11,835 --> 01:01:13,770
by the traditional
labor movement.

1423
01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:15,138
"You know, these broads,
you can't organize them."

1424
01:01:15,138 --> 01:01:17,574
Well, they're
organizing themselves.

1425
01:01:17,574 --> 01:01:20,810
And hopefully, with the movie
and with the television series,

1426
01:01:20,810 --> 01:01:24,314
-we'll give it a boost!
-Oh, the nerve of that man,

1427
01:01:24,314 --> 01:01:26,483
-threatening me--
-[Carol] We got a call

1428
01:01:26,483 --> 01:01:28,485
from Jane Fonda and she said,

1429
01:01:28,485 --> 01:01:31,821
"You know, we would like
someone from the organization

1430
01:01:31,821 --> 01:01:34,991
to come out and work with us on
the TV series."

1431
01:01:34,991 --> 01:01:39,162
To kind of make sure that the TV
show stayed true

1432
01:01:39,162 --> 01:01:42,432
to the principles that the
film had been so great about.

1433
01:01:42,432 --> 01:01:43,433
Now, who here knows how to type?

1434
01:01:43,433 --> 01:01:45,635
[crowd laughing]

1435
01:01:49,506 --> 01:01:51,374
Uh, excuse me?

1436
01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:53,843
Could you direct me
to Mr. Hart's office?

1437
01:01:54,344 --> 01:01:57,180
-Thank you.
-[Ellen] As the TV show went on,

1438
01:01:57,180 --> 01:02:00,350
it strayed from the message of
our organization.

1439
01:02:00,350 --> 01:02:03,320
A lot of times, I noticed that
you would be siding with the
boss.

1440
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,188
"Oh, poor boss has to put up

1441
01:02:05,188 --> 01:02:08,525
with such a silly creature as
the secretary."

1442
01:02:08,525 --> 01:02:09,693
[indistinct singing]

1443
01:02:09,693 --> 01:02:10,827
The television executives,

1444
01:02:10,827 --> 01:02:11,995
who all had their opinions,

1445
01:02:11,995 --> 01:02:13,229
and there were several...

1446
01:02:13,229 --> 01:02:14,698
Just one of the boys.

1447
01:02:14,698 --> 01:02:16,166
...and then you had
these executives

1448
01:02:16,166 --> 01:02:18,234
from the network,
much more meddling.

1449
01:02:18,234 --> 01:02:21,071
That was a shock to me.

1450
01:02:21,071 --> 01:02:24,407
-Call me stupid, I don't know
where this goes. -[crowd
laughing]

1451
01:02:24,407 --> 01:02:27,544
[Bruce] It became obvious
that we were not capturing

1452
01:02:27,544 --> 01:02:30,000
the movie <i> 9 to 5.</i>

1453
01:02:27,544 --> 01:02:30,714
the flavor of

1454
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:30,714
the movie <i> 9 to 5.</i>

1455
01:02:30,714 --> 01:02:33,850
It was, uh, a--

1456
01:02:34,217 --> 01:02:38,355
just a tremendous burden on me,
psychologically.

1457
01:02:38,355 --> 01:02:40,357
Okay, party's over. Don't you
girls have anything to do?

1458
01:02:40,357 --> 01:02:43,159
[Jane] I wasn't very involved...

1459
01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:48,064
...in that... part of it.

1460
01:02:48,064 --> 01:02:51,434
And I, I... I don't know
if it would've worked more

1461
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:54,037
if I had been, I don't know.

1462
01:02:54,037 --> 01:02:57,207
Jane and I decided to take
our names off of the show,

1463
01:02:57,207 --> 01:03:00,744
because it no longer
reflected our input.

1464
01:03:01,344 --> 01:03:02,612
[light suspenseful music]

1465
01:03:02,912 --> 01:03:07,550
So, we advance... [chuckles]
and we go back,

1466
01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:09,786
and we advance, and we go back.

1467
01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:12,889
The deadline for the ERA

1468
01:03:12,889 --> 01:03:17,227
had been extended
to June 30th, 1982.

1469
01:03:17,227 --> 01:03:18,862
[reporter 1] Local
ERA supporters

1470
01:03:18,862 --> 01:03:21,031
say they will key their efforts
in Illinois,

1471
01:03:21,031 --> 01:03:23,266
Florida, Mississippi,
and North Carolina,

1472
01:03:23,266 --> 01:03:25,969
four states they
feel can be persuaded

1473
01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:28,638
to ratify the amendment, or
the proposal will die.

1474
01:03:28,638 --> 01:03:30,540
ERA will not pass
in this century.

1475
01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:31,975
[indistinct shouting] ...ERA!

1476
01:03:31,975 --> 01:03:33,543
[Zoe] So, we backed it up

1477
01:03:33,543 --> 01:03:36,579
and we started fasting 40 days

1478
01:03:36,579 --> 01:03:38,648
before that deadline.

1479
01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:40,550
[reporter 2] <i> Seven</i>

1480
01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:40,550
<i> women have fasted now</i>

1481
01:03:40,550 --> 01:03:43,253
<i> for 22 days. Women who
chained themselves together,</i>

1482
01:03:43,253 --> 01:03:45,422
<i> blocking the Senate,
were removed.</i>

1483
01:03:45,422 --> 01:03:47,424
[reporter 3] <i> One of the
fasters, Sonia Johnson,</i>

1484
01:03:47,424 --> 01:03:50,994
<i> is now using a wheelchair,
because she feels so weak.</i>

1485
01:03:50,994 --> 01:03:54,164
<i> But all of the women say
there are no plans to stop
now.</i>

1486
01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:56,999
[Zoe] We fasted only on water.

1487
01:03:57,767 --> 01:04:00,336
And had the time of our lives.

1488
01:04:02,338 --> 01:04:05,408
ERA supporters conceded
defeat this week,

1489
01:04:05,408 --> 01:04:08,945
falling three states short
of the 38 needed to ratify.

1490
01:04:08,945 --> 01:04:11,114
Opponents to the amendment are
celebrating tonight.

1491
01:04:11,114 --> 01:04:12,649
-[ethereal music]

1492
01:04:11,114 --> 01:04:12,649
<i> -

1493
01:04:12,649 --> 01:04:15,085
[crowd clapping and cheering]

1494
01:04:15,085 --> 01:04:17,420
[Zoe] Of course, I was
willing to die for the ERA.

1495
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:19,789
Of course, I'm willing to die
for equality.

1496
01:04:19,789 --> 01:04:21,257
Of course, that's
what activists do.

1497
01:04:21,257 --> 01:04:24,527
[dramatic music]

1498
01:04:27,330 --> 01:04:29,966
Hey, we have a two o'clock
campus tour you can take.

1499
01:04:29,966 --> 01:04:32,035
[Karen] Ultimately, at the end
of the 1980s,

1500
01:04:32,035 --> 01:04:34,337
corporate America
decided, "Actually,

1501
01:04:34,337 --> 01:04:37,140
they're gonna have to let
women in on the game,"

1502
01:04:37,140 --> 01:04:40,276
and began to let
women in as managers

1503
01:04:40,276 --> 01:04:42,779
and supervisors
and professionals

1504
01:04:42,779 --> 01:04:44,347
in numbers that we've
never seen before.

1505
01:04:44,347 --> 01:04:47,050
[indistinct chatter]

1506
01:04:51,788 --> 01:04:53,289
[dramatic music]

1507
01:04:55,291 --> 01:04:57,827
[reporter 1] <i> Shocking charges
of sexual harassment.</i>

1508
01:04:57,827 --> 01:05:00,530
<i> The judge pleads
"not guilty."</i>

1509
01:05:00,530 --> 01:05:04,000
<i> Someone's lying under
oath, under the dome.</i>

1510
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,337
I have not said
or done the things

1511
01:05:07,337 --> 01:05:09,973
that Anita Hill has alleged.

1512
01:05:09,973 --> 01:05:11,641
After a brief
discussion of work,

1513
01:05:11,641 --> 01:05:13,843
he would turn the conversation

1514
01:05:13,843 --> 01:05:17,147
to a discussion
of sexual matters.

1515
01:05:17,147 --> 01:05:20,750
His conversations
were very vivid.

1516
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:25,355
[Karen] Suddenly, sexual
harassment emerged as a popular
issue.

1517
01:05:25,355 --> 01:05:27,323
These kinds of experiences

1518
01:05:27,323 --> 01:05:29,993
were taking place
across the country,

1519
01:05:29,993 --> 01:05:32,395
and so, women were
beginning to realize

1520
01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:36,533
that it's about power
in the workplace,

1521
01:05:36,533 --> 01:05:41,938
then it was kind of just part of
this whole morass of indignities

1522
01:05:41,938 --> 01:05:43,540
that women were just beginning
to sort through.

1523
01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:46,009
[crowd clapping and cheering]

1524
01:05:46,009 --> 01:05:48,111
[reporter 2] <i> A year since</i>
<i> the Hill Thomas hearings,</i>

1525
01:05:48,111 --> 01:05:49,879
<i> women candidates running
for the Senate this year</i>

1526
01:05:49,879 --> 01:05:52,282
<i> in unprecedented numbers.</i>

1527
01:05:52,282 --> 01:05:54,384
[reporter 3] <i> Carol Moseley</i>

1528
01:05:52,282 --> 01:05:54,384
<i> Braun added to gains</i>

1529
01:05:54,384 --> 01:05:56,686
<i>made in what's being called,
"The Year of the Woman."</i>

1530
01:05:56,686 --> 01:05:58,354
[woman] Walking up those steps

1531
01:05:58,354 --> 01:06:00,590
to the United States Senate,

1532
01:06:00,590 --> 01:06:03,059
knocking on the
door, and it opens,

1533
01:06:03,059 --> 01:06:06,896
and we all come inside,
all of us, together!

1534
01:06:06,896 --> 01:06:09,432
[Fatima] And it was Anita Hill.

1535
01:06:09,432 --> 01:06:14,404
And the outrage that drove more
women to Congress.

1536
01:06:14,404 --> 01:06:17,907
And now, they're fighting
for change at a policy level,

1537
01:06:17,907 --> 01:06:21,277
including equal
pay and fair wages.

1538
01:06:21,277 --> 01:06:23,279
[indistinct chatter]

1539
01:06:24,881 --> 01:06:28,318
[Lilly] I went to work
February 5th, 1979,

1540
01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:30,153
for Goodyear Tire and Rubber in
Gadsden, Alabama.

1541
01:06:32,255 --> 01:06:36,659
It was the same year the <i> 9
to 5</i>   movie was being made.

1542
01:06:36,659 --> 01:06:38,761
And later on, I became
my area manager,

1543
01:06:38,761 --> 01:06:41,264
and some of the men resented me.

1544
01:06:42,232 --> 01:06:46,803
They said, um, "We've never
taken orders from a woman."

1545
01:06:46,803 --> 01:06:50,106
They made my job
really difficult

1546
01:06:50,106 --> 01:06:52,575
and there were several times
I was concerned for my life.

1547
01:06:52,575 --> 01:06:55,011
[light ominous music]

1548
01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:58,848
But I'd think back
about the movie.

1549
01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:02,085
Well, I say we hire a couple of
wranglers to go upstairs and
beat the shit out of him.

1550
01:07:02,085 --> 01:07:06,189
[Lilly] And Jane and Dolly
and Lily encouraged me.

1551
01:07:06,189 --> 01:07:10,326
In the 19 years that I worked at
Goodyear as a supervisor,

1552
01:07:10,326 --> 01:07:12,929
no one ever discussed their pay.

1553
01:07:12,929 --> 01:07:15,765
I started suspecting

1554
01:07:15,765 --> 01:07:18,868
I was not getting what the men
were getting.

1555
01:07:18,868 --> 01:07:22,438
We four supervisors had
the exact same job,

1556
01:07:22,438 --> 01:07:24,841
just a different shift.

1557
01:07:24,841 --> 01:07:28,278
And their pay was
almost $6000 a month,

1558
01:07:28,278 --> 01:07:30,280
and that's base pay,

1559
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,616
and mine was just a
little over three.

1560
01:07:33,616 --> 01:07:37,353
[Zoe] Imagine, after
working 20 years,

1561
01:07:37,353 --> 01:07:42,859
that she found out that this man
is doing the same job as she
did,

1562
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:45,962
was getting paid two times more,

1563
01:07:45,962 --> 01:07:47,664
which affected his
social security,

1564
01:07:47,664 --> 01:07:50,667
which affected his, his pension,

1565
01:07:50,667 --> 01:07:54,237
which affected his
ability to retire.

1566
01:07:54,237 --> 01:07:57,140
[Lilly] <i> My daughter and son
were still going to college,</i>

1567
01:07:57,140 --> 01:08:00,810
<i> and I had a mortgage to pay,
and I had to pay my bills.</i>

1568
01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:03,980
[reporter 1] <i> Ledbetter sued,
but the US Supreme Court threw</i>

1569
01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:03,980
<i> out her case,</i>

1570
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:05,982
<i> saying she filed her
lawsuit too late.</i>

1571
01:08:05,982 --> 01:08:07,917
[Lilly] Those five justices,

1572
01:08:07,917 --> 01:08:10,353
they didn't only rule against
Lilly Ledbetter,

1573
01:08:10,353 --> 01:08:15,024
they ruled against every family
across this nation.

1574
01:08:15,024 --> 01:08:18,528
[Fatima] So, in 2009, we
saw a huge change happen.

1575
01:08:18,528 --> 01:08:23,232
It was a mix of law and policy
change that was happening,

1576
01:08:23,232 --> 01:08:26,869
because in 2007, when the
Supreme Court got it wrong,

1577
01:08:26,869 --> 01:08:28,871
Justice Ginsburg wrote
a powerful dissent

1578
01:08:28,871 --> 01:08:31,407
that eventually changed the law.

1579
01:08:31,407 --> 01:08:33,910
First of all, it is fitting

1580
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:38,881
that the very first
bill that I sign...

1581
01:08:38,881 --> 01:08:42,118
...the Lilly Ledbetter
Fair Pay Restoration Act.

1582
01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:43,553
[crowd clapping and cheering]

1583
01:08:43,553 --> 01:08:45,355
Equal pay is by no means

1584
01:08:45,355 --> 01:08:47,290
just a women's issue.

1585
01:08:47,290 --> 01:08:49,525
It's a family issue.

1586
01:08:50,426 --> 01:08:52,895
[reporter 2] <i> But Ledbetter</i>

1587
01:08:50,426 --> 01:08:52,895
<i> herself will never see a</i>

1588
01:08:50,426 --> 01:08:52,895
<i> dime</i>

1589
01:08:52,895 --> 01:08:56,966
<i> of the $200,000 in
lost salary she claims.</i>

1590
01:08:56,966 --> 01:08:59,035
[woman] You lost your case,
but what did you win?

1591
01:08:59,035 --> 01:09:02,405
Something that money
could never buy.

1592
01:09:02,405 --> 01:09:06,142
<i>
a way to make a livin'

1593
01:09:06,142 --> 01:09:09,379
<i>

1594
01:09:09,379 --> 01:09:13,049
[Dolly] I've always been saying,
"I don't chew my tobacco but
once,"

1595
01:09:13,049 --> 01:09:16,419
or some corny thing like that.
Meaning, "I don't like to go
back and do something again."

1596
01:09:16,419 --> 01:09:18,221
[crowd singing and clapping]

1597
01:09:20,590 --> 01:09:23,259
You know that better than me!

1598
01:09:23,259 --> 01:09:25,161
[Bob] There's a big trend in
the theater business,

1599
01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:28,064
taking successful movies and
turning them into musicals.

1600
01:09:28,064 --> 01:09:32,335
<i>
way to make a livin'...

1601
01:09:32,335 --> 01:09:35,304
The movie felt so dated
that it was kind of like,

1602
01:09:35,304 --> 01:09:39,509
"Why are we doing a revival
of this very dated movie?"

1603
01:09:39,509 --> 01:09:42,078
And then, realized that,

1604
01:09:42,078 --> 01:09:43,980
"We're not so far
off from this movie,

1605
01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:47,917
these things are
still going on."

1606
01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:50,086
[Joe] I was thinking of the
message of the film and the
musical.

1607
01:09:50,086 --> 01:09:53,589
We were looking at it as a time

1608
01:09:53,589 --> 01:09:55,925
in our history
that we were past.

1609
01:09:55,925 --> 01:09:58,628
-In my memo-- -Did you hear what
I said? Fire the bitch.

1610
01:09:58,628 --> 01:10:00,163
And that's just not the case.

1611
01:10:00,163 --> 01:10:03,866
So, you need to
keep telling people,

1612
01:10:03,866 --> 01:10:08,938
"This is where we've come from.
This is where we've been. And
this is where we're at."

1613
01:10:08,938 --> 01:10:11,441
[woman] Are you surprised that
it's had this kind of-- you
know,

1614
01:10:11,441 --> 01:10:13,609
we're talking about 29 years,
this kind of response from all
generations.

1615
01:10:13,609 --> 01:10:15,945
-Well, I'm not-- I'm not really
surprised. No-- -No, no.

1616
01:10:15,945 --> 01:10:19,882
It's iconic. And partly, it's
because the issues,

1617
01:10:19,882 --> 01:10:23,453
the things that it speaks to are
universal and still very much
alive.

1618
01:10:23,453 --> 01:10:26,522
It's women emancipation.

1619
01:10:26,522 --> 01:10:29,792
Secondly, it's about women
wanting to kill their boss.

1620
01:10:29,792 --> 01:10:30,860
And third of all, I
know that everybody

1621
01:10:30,860 --> 01:10:32,962
in my company wants to kill me,

1622
01:10:32,962 --> 01:10:34,797
and they bought
multiple tickets.

1623
01:10:34,797 --> 01:10:36,799
I think if this, this
movie could survive,

1624
01:10:36,799 --> 01:10:38,901
this show could survive on just
my company.

1625
01:10:38,901 --> 01:10:40,970
[tense music playing]

1626
01:10:55,318 --> 01:10:57,420
[woman] <i> Later, Harvey
Weinstein was accused</i>

1627
01:10:57,420 --> 01:10:59,989
<i> by several women of
sexual harassment,</i>

1628
01:10:59,989 --> 01:11:02,158
<i> energizing the
MeToo movement,</i>

1629
01:11:02,158 --> 01:11:04,494
<i> which quickly spread
around the world.</i>

1630
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:07,930
[indistinct shouting]

1631
01:11:11,501 --> 01:11:14,203
[women shouting] No
means no! No means no!

1632
01:11:14,203 --> 01:11:19,175
When MeToo went viral, it was if
the earth shook.

1633
01:11:19,175 --> 01:11:22,345
-[crowd] MeToo.
MeToo-- -[woman] MeToo!

1634
01:11:22,345 --> 01:11:23,446
[women shouting] TimesUp!

1635
01:11:23,446 --> 01:11:25,748
[women chanting in French]

1636
01:11:30,286 --> 01:11:32,188
[chanting in Spanish]

1637
01:11:39,028 --> 01:11:40,296
[loud clanking and banging]

1638
01:11:42,865 --> 01:11:44,934
[women chanting] <i>
violence! Stop the rape!

1639
01:11:44,934 --> 01:11:47,203
<i>
women of the world!

1640
01:11:47,203 --> 01:11:49,038
<i>
the world rise up!

1641
01:11:49,038 --> 01:11:51,240
[Tarana] What we
represent by gathering

1642
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,076
and marching in the streets
is a living breathing reminder

1643
01:11:54,076 --> 01:11:57,113
that we are human
beings, not hashtags!

1644
01:11:57,113 --> 01:11:58,915
-[crowd cheering and clapping]
-[Ellen] Some people might be
surprised

1645
01:11:58,915 --> 01:12:02,084
by MeToo, TimesUp,

1646
01:12:02,084 --> 01:12:04,220
and the whole issue
of sexual harassment.

1647
01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:06,923
These are new slogans, but
they're not new issues.

1648
01:12:06,923 --> 01:12:09,892
[Jane] Now, women who speak
up about assault

1649
01:12:09,892 --> 01:12:14,263
and sexual harassment are taken
more seriously.

1650
01:12:14,263 --> 01:12:17,600
Um, I think people are realizing
that it's epidemic.

1651
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,102
Of course, it's rampant.

1652
01:12:20,102 --> 01:12:22,238
It's very-- but the
men are acculturated

1653
01:12:22,238 --> 01:12:24,941
by whatever forces
are near them.

1654
01:12:24,941 --> 01:12:26,776
Their fathers, their brothers,
their uncles,

1655
01:12:26,776 --> 01:12:28,945
kids at school, just
their own natural,

1656
01:12:28,945 --> 01:12:32,448
uh, a-- absorbing the-- the, uh,

1657
01:12:32,448 --> 01:12:35,651
whatever the entertainment puts
out-- Cartoons!

1658
01:12:35,651 --> 01:12:38,821
Now, I'm gonna
grab me some sweet.

1659
01:12:38,821 --> 01:12:41,958
No, Mr. Simpson, that's
sexual harassment!

1660
01:12:41,958 --> 01:12:44,961
If you keep it up, I'll yell so
loud, the whole country will
hear!

1661
01:12:44,961 --> 01:12:48,331
[laughing] With the man in
the White House... [laughs]

1662
01:12:48,331 --> 01:12:50,433
...not likely. [laughs]

1663
01:12:52,435 --> 01:12:55,271
I hope it's not a
real cultural shift,

1664
01:12:55,271 --> 01:12:58,941
that men feel like they don't
know how to behave around women.

1665
01:12:58,941 --> 01:13:02,144
You know, it's not hard. Like,
just don't be a jerk.

1666
01:13:02,144 --> 01:13:04,280
-Violet-- -[Amaya] <i> Keep
your hands to yourself.</i>

1667
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,349
<i> No one else is
your property.</i>

1668
01:13:06,349 --> 01:13:09,118
-Damn pretty too, if I might
add. -Thank you, sir.

1669
01:13:09,118 --> 01:13:10,386
You should see some of
the crones that have been

1670
01:13:10,386 --> 01:13:12,154
coming through here
lately, real pathetic.

1671
01:13:12,154 --> 01:13:14,290
[Amaya] Like the

1672
01:13:12,154 --> 01:13:14,290
boss in <i> 9 to 5,</i>

1673
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:17,460
nobody thinks your inappropriate
jokes are funny.

1674
01:13:17,460 --> 01:13:21,664
I mean, a lot of it is just
being an adult, right? [laughs]

1675
01:13:21,664 --> 01:13:24,233
[Dolly] When the MeToo movement
started, I think it really
helped a lot.

1676
01:13:24,233 --> 01:13:26,502
It's given us a really
good opportunity

1677
01:13:26,502 --> 01:13:29,138
to make more, uh, corrections

1678
01:13:29,138 --> 01:13:32,408
and to just do more good things
for, for women especially,

1679
01:13:32,408 --> 01:13:34,810
'cause really, it's not a matter
of politics,

1680
01:13:34,810 --> 01:13:37,380
it's just downright fairness.

1681
01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:38,914
[Vanessa] It doesn't matter what
industry you're in,

1682
01:13:38,914 --> 01:13:41,817
it doesn't matter what
department you work for,

1683
01:13:41,817 --> 01:13:43,819
I know that we've held workshops
in the past

1684
01:13:43,819 --> 01:13:46,355
where assistants find out
that peers of theirs

1685
01:13:46,355 --> 01:13:49,892
are actually making double or
triple the money.

1686
01:13:49,892 --> 01:13:53,496
Here he is, with nowhere near
the years of experience,

1687
01:13:53,496 --> 01:13:57,099
no degree, and you're gonna
offer him $12,000 more.

1688
01:13:58,034 --> 01:14:00,336
An employee got upset because
we didn't get a bonus.

1689
01:14:00,336 --> 01:14:02,271
And so, he literally said
everybody's salary

1690
01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:05,041
in front of everybody.
And I found out,

1691
01:14:05,041 --> 01:14:07,209
not only was I the
lowest paid person,

1692
01:14:07,209 --> 01:14:11,080
but I was making
almost $17,000 less

1693
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,349
than the lowest paid
person on my team,

1694
01:14:13,349 --> 01:14:16,052
with the highest stats,

1695
01:14:16,052 --> 01:14:19,021
the highest customer retention,
all of that.

1696
01:14:19,588 --> 01:14:21,390
Humanity still has
a long way to go

1697
01:14:21,390 --> 01:14:23,059
in the fight for
gender equality.

1698
01:14:23,059 --> 01:14:24,527
This is according
to a new report

1699
01:14:24,527 --> 01:14:26,429
from the World Economic Forum.

1700
01:14:26,429 --> 01:14:29,965
It will take more than 200 years

1701
01:14:29,965 --> 01:14:33,936
to close the gender pay gap at
our current pays worldwide.

1702
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:38,207
[Miranda] In America, Black
women are 61 cents to the dollar

1703
01:14:38,207 --> 01:14:40,976
in comparison to white male and
their counterparts.

1704
01:14:40,976 --> 01:14:44,380
So, we're still far behind
on that, on that pay grade.

1705
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:47,717
[Yanira] For Latinas,
it's 54 cents

1706
01:14:47,717 --> 01:14:50,319
compared to a
non-Hispanic white man.

1707
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:52,955
You might be a PhD,

1708
01:14:52,955 --> 01:14:55,324
and you will make
less as a Latina,

1709
01:14:56,058 --> 01:14:59,895
not only compared to white men,
but also white women.

1710
01:15:00,596 --> 01:15:03,232
[Tara] In the

1711
01:15:00,596 --> 01:15:03,232
United States today,

1712
01:15:03,232 --> 01:15:06,102
never mind when <i> 9 to 5</i>

1713
01:15:03,232 --> 01:15:06,102
was made, if someone like

1714
01:15:03,232 --> 01:15:06,102
Violet,

1715
01:15:06,102 --> 01:15:08,904
a single mother, was
working full-time

1716
01:15:08,904 --> 01:15:11,006
at the Federal minimum wage,

1717
01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:14,744
which it's still
$7.25 an hour...

1718
01:15:16,078 --> 01:15:20,149
Violet News-- Oh, come on kids!
No-- come on, no fighting!

1719
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:23,252
...she would earn
about $14,500 a year.

1720
01:15:25,488 --> 01:15:28,958
And she would be expected to,
um, pull up her bootstraps

1721
01:15:28,958 --> 01:15:32,828
and somehow feed four children
and pay for a car

1722
01:15:32,828 --> 01:15:35,831
and pay for clothes
to go to work.

1723
01:15:35,831 --> 01:15:38,601
Back then, getting a promotion
was a pipe dream.

1724
01:15:38,601 --> 01:15:40,970
We've got to do something. He
just can't treat people like
that.

1725
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:44,106
[scoffs] "Do."
What's to do? Quit?

1726
01:15:44,106 --> 01:15:47,543
-Well, I can't quit.
-It's the same all over, anyway.

1727
01:15:47,543 --> 01:15:50,880
Well, look, couldn't we just all
get together and, and complain?

1728
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,215
-[laughs] Complain to who?
-Let's face it,

1729
01:15:53,215 --> 01:15:56,986
we're in a pink-collar ghetto.
Let's have another drink.

1730
01:15:56,986 --> 01:15:59,288
[Jane] It's worse today than it
was when we made <i> 9 to 5,</i>

1731
01:15:59,288 --> 01:16:01,991
because now, most of those women

1732
01:16:01,991 --> 01:16:06,796
would be hired by a contracting
company and subcontracted.

1733
01:16:06,796 --> 01:16:10,032
They may never see the boss.

1734
01:16:10,032 --> 01:16:13,569
Where do you go to complain when
you're part of the gig economy?

1735
01:16:13,569 --> 01:16:15,638
Never mind having union jobs.

1736
01:16:15,638 --> 01:16:17,039
[light melancholic music]

1737
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:19,375
What the movie showed was

1738
01:16:19,375 --> 01:16:21,177
there was a systemic issue.

1739
01:16:21,177 --> 01:16:23,145
Did you get my memo?

1740
01:16:23,145 --> 01:16:25,381
I did, Roz. I tore
right through it.

1741
01:16:25,381 --> 01:16:27,917
Good! You know, we must, uh,
clamp down hard

1742
01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:31,320
on any signs of unionization.

1743
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,057
[Jane] <i> The whole notion
of promotions and benefits</i>

1744
01:16:35,057 --> 01:16:39,762
<i> and being respected for your
work is a thing of the past.</i>

1745
01:16:41,497 --> 01:16:42,932
We see that <i> 9 to 5 </i>

1746
01:16:41,497 --> 01:16:42,932
was ahead of the game

1747
01:16:42,932 --> 01:16:45,434
with the idea of flexible hours,

1748
01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:47,169
trying to work part-time

1749
01:16:47,169 --> 01:16:49,371
or trying to work
around their mothering.

1750
01:16:49,371 --> 01:16:52,074
What the hell is going on?
Who authorized all this?

1751
01:16:52,074 --> 01:16:55,744
You did, Mr. Hart. It's, uh,
your signature.

1752
01:16:55,744 --> 01:16:58,848
[Arianna] Once they have
children and leave the
workplace,

1753
01:16:58,848 --> 01:17:01,684
three quarters of women return,

1754
01:17:01,684 --> 01:17:05,421
but only 40% are
returning full-time.

1755
01:17:05,421 --> 01:17:10,559
The primary responsibility
going to women, largely.

1756
01:17:10,559 --> 01:17:13,262
If a culture is
fueled by burnout,

1757
01:17:13,262 --> 01:17:17,399
women are going to pay
a disproportionate price.

1758
01:17:17,399 --> 01:17:19,068
[reporter 1] The current health
crisis is impacting

1759
01:17:19,068 --> 01:17:21,871
the working women more than men,

1760
01:17:21,871 --> 01:17:23,739
and there are a
number of reasons why.

1761
01:17:23,739 --> 01:17:25,107
During this pandemic,
many parents,

1762
01:17:25,107 --> 01:17:27,409
especially moms,
have been working

1763
01:17:27,409 --> 01:17:30,546
and helping their kids with
schoolwork at home.

1764
01:17:30,546 --> 01:17:32,882
One in three mothers may be
forced to scale back

1765
01:17:32,882 --> 01:17:35,985
or opt out of the workforce.

1766
01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:39,054
[Karen] <i> So, childcare,</i>

1767
01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:39,054
<i> maternity leave,</i>

1768
01:17:39,054 --> 01:17:41,924
<i> health insurance,
paid sick time,</i>

1769
01:17:41,924 --> 01:17:44,960
<i> all of those things,</i>

1770
01:17:41,924 --> 01:17:44,960
<i> you saw in</i>   9 to 5.

1771
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,896
So, you pulled it
off, Frank, huh?

1772
01:17:46,896 --> 01:17:48,898
Well, I, I like to
think we did, anyway.

1773
01:17:48,898 --> 01:17:50,399
-[laughter]
-Good. Like the day-care center.

1774
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:51,901
Center-- day-care center?

1775
01:17:51,901 --> 01:17:53,435
[Karen] All of those things,

1776
01:17:53,435 --> 01:17:55,304
women are still fighting for.

1777
01:17:55,304 --> 01:17:58,407
And we have to be
clear-eyed about that.

1778
01:17:58,407 --> 01:18:00,743
Those issues, which
were at the center

1779
01:18:00,743 --> 01:18:03,178
of the <i> 9 to 5</i>   movie,

1780
01:18:00,743 --> 01:18:03,178
are not resolved.

1781
01:18:03,178 --> 01:18:04,780
[Violet] We transformed, but
the cost was minimal.

1782
01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:06,849
It's cut down on absenteeism

1783
01:18:06,849 --> 01:18:08,684
and we had a wonderful
time doing it.

1784
01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:11,020
Well, Frank, I gotta
give you credit.

1785
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:14,023
-You really pulled it off here.
-[chuckles]

1786
01:18:14,023 --> 01:18:16,458
And, uh, that equal pay thing,
though, that's, uh, that's got
to go. Hmm?

1787
01:18:16,458 --> 01:18:18,427
-Oh, yes. -Oh, yeah, it's all
right as an incentive,

1788
01:18:18,427 --> 01:18:20,763
but, uh, we don't need to
keep on priming the pump.

1789
01:18:20,763 --> 01:18:23,432
We need to be
talking about money.

1790
01:18:23,432 --> 01:18:25,601
We need to say it out loud.

1791
01:18:25,601 --> 01:18:28,203
And spreading the message
of women knowing their worth

1792
01:18:28,203 --> 01:18:30,639
and asking for
what they're worth.

1793
01:18:30,639 --> 01:18:34,777
[crowd cheering, clapping, and
chanting] ...pay! Equal pay!

1794
01:18:34,777 --> 01:18:37,613
How long have I been
chanting "equal pay"?

1795
01:18:37,613 --> 01:18:39,348
[reporter 2] <i> They rolled down
Broadway, down the stretch</i>

1796
01:18:39,348 --> 01:18:41,617
<i> known as the
Canyon of Heroes,</i>

1797
01:18:41,617 --> 01:18:44,353
<i> brandishing what they'd been
sent to France to retrieve,</i>

1798
01:18:44,353 --> 01:18:46,622
<i> the World Cup Trophy.</i>

1799
01:18:46,622 --> 01:18:49,325
[all shouting] Equal
pay! Equal pay!

1800
01:18:49,325 --> 01:18:51,527
[Zoe] <i> I am</i>

1801
01:18:49,325 --> 01:18:51,527
<i> hoping that it is</i>

1802
01:18:51,527 --> 01:18:55,965
<i> through those ground-breaking
women in sports,</i>

1803
01:18:55,965 --> 01:19:00,202
<i> in the arts, in
politics and activism...</i>

1804
01:19:00,202 --> 01:19:03,906
Marching to the front lines as
we often do.

1805
01:19:03,906 --> 01:19:06,542
<i> ...in all the
visible places,</i>

1806
01:19:06,542 --> 01:19:10,212
<i> we're gonna finally have</i>
<i> equality for women</i>

1807
01:19:10,212 --> 01:19:13,649
<i> in the Constitution
of the United States.</i>

1808
01:19:15,317 --> 01:19:18,687
[Fatima] <i> In order to
ratify any amendment,</i>

1809
01:19:18,687 --> 01:19:20,889
<i> we not only need
Congress to act,</i>

1810
01:19:20,889 --> 01:19:23,926
<i> you also need
states to act.</i>

1811
01:19:23,926 --> 01:19:26,261
[Lily] I came to Virginia

1812
01:19:26,261 --> 01:19:28,263
because your
elections next Tuesday

1813
01:19:28,263 --> 01:19:30,866
transcend the borders
of your state.

1814
01:19:30,866 --> 01:19:32,668
[crowd clapping and cheering]

1815
01:19:32,668 --> 01:19:34,169
[gentle music]

1816
01:19:35,838 --> 01:19:38,841
[Fatima] And you need 38 states.

1817
01:19:38,841 --> 01:19:42,778
Over the years, we
have gotten to 37.

1818
01:19:42,778 --> 01:19:45,447
We are one state away.

1819
01:19:45,447 --> 01:19:49,084
[Patricia] Did the Civil
Rights Act eliminate prejudice?

1820
01:19:49,084 --> 01:19:52,254
No, of course not. And has it
made an equal playing field? No.

1821
01:19:52,254 --> 01:19:55,524
But at least it gives you some
laws that help protect you.

1822
01:19:55,524 --> 01:19:59,428
<i>

1823
01:19:59,428 --> 01:20:02,297
[Zoe] If you ask eight graders
across the country,

1824
01:20:02,297 --> 01:20:05,801
"Are you in the constitution?"
They would all say, "Yes."

1825
01:20:05,801 --> 01:20:07,803
And then, I have
to tell the girls,

1826
01:20:07,803 --> 01:20:10,572
"I have some very
bad news for you.

1827
01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:12,908
-No, you're not." <i> -
dreams have...

1828
01:20:12,908 --> 01:20:15,711
All those in favor say, "Aye."

1829
01:20:15,711 --> 01:20:17,246
[crowd] Aye.

1830
01:20:17,246 --> 01:20:18,647
[cheering and clapping]

1831
01:20:23,585 --> 01:20:25,087
[gentle music]

1832
01:20:37,132 --> 01:20:40,569
<i> 9 to 5</i>   changed my life,

1833
01:20:37,132 --> 01:20:40,569
and I can say beyond a doubt

1834
01:20:40,569 --> 01:20:44,006
that it changed
the office, bosses,

1835
01:20:44,006 --> 01:20:47,309
and the whole atmosphere
of office work.

1836
01:20:47,309 --> 01:20:48,944
[Bruce] I'm under no illusion
that any single film

1837
01:20:48,944 --> 01:20:50,612
can change the culture.

1838
01:20:50,612 --> 01:20:52,614
There are just so many factors

1839
01:20:52,614 --> 01:20:55,417
that effect change.

1840
01:20:55,417 --> 01:20:59,755
As filmmakers, we just
try to do our part.

1841
01:20:59,755 --> 01:21:04,193
I recognized the value
of being a woman,

1842
01:21:04,193 --> 01:21:07,796
because it was
lauded in the film.

1843
01:21:07,796 --> 01:21:11,100
[Amaya] Regardless of age,
regardless of race,

1844
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:14,136
regardless of orientation,

1845
01:21:14,136 --> 01:21:16,004
having solidarity in
the women's movement

1846
01:21:16,004 --> 01:21:18,874
is really what's
gonna push us forward.

1847
01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:22,111
[Dame Jenni] It's young women
respecting older women

1848
01:21:22,111 --> 01:21:23,679
and older women
giving them a leg up.

1849
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:26,548
[music continues]

1850
01:21:26,548 --> 01:21:29,384
[Yanira] I can tell you
that it's gonna be a fight,

1851
01:21:29,384 --> 01:21:31,987
but I can also tell you that
it's gonna be a good fight,

1852
01:21:31,987 --> 01:21:33,655
because it's gonna
be with your sisters,

1853
01:21:33,655 --> 01:21:36,125
with people who understand
you and want the same goals.

1854
01:21:36,125 --> 01:21:39,795
And ultimately,
you'll get there.

1855
01:21:40,395 --> 01:21:43,632
[Karen] Unless we're able to
truly understand what we're up
against

1856
01:21:43,632 --> 01:21:46,535
and build the power we need to
win against that,

1857
01:21:46,535 --> 01:21:49,304
then we'll be engaged in 40

1858
01:21:49,304 --> 01:21:51,206
and 50-year struggles
like we are today.

1859
01:21:51,206 --> 01:21:53,509
[dramatic music]

1860
01:21:53,509 --> 01:21:55,544
And the more women we get into
positions of power,

1861
01:21:55,544 --> 01:21:58,147
the more that that
will dissipate.

1862
01:21:58,147 --> 01:22:00,716
While I may be the first woman
in this office,

1863
01:22:00,716 --> 01:22:02,518
I will not be the last.

1864
01:22:02,518 --> 01:22:06,255
[crowd cheering and clapping]

1865
01:22:08,423 --> 01:22:13,095
Because every little
girl watching tonight

1866
01:22:13,095 --> 01:22:17,232
sees that this is a country of
possibilities.

1867
01:22:18,567 --> 01:22:21,503
And to the children
of our country,

1868
01:22:21,503 --> 01:22:22,704
regardless of your gender,

1869
01:22:24,273 --> 01:22:26,842
our country has sent
you a clear message.

1870
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:30,412
Dream with ambition.

1871
01:22:30,412 --> 01:22:31,847
[cheering continues]

1872
01:22:33,282 --> 01:22:35,217
There's something very exciting
and dynamic

1873
01:22:35,217 --> 01:22:37,352
in this moment,
which is why now,

1874
01:22:37,352 --> 01:22:39,188
making change in the world

1875
01:22:39,188 --> 01:22:42,357
has to reach down the
generational line.

1876
01:22:42,357 --> 01:22:45,394
It's so important that
people who've been, you know,

1877
01:22:45,394 --> 01:22:48,864
suffering because of injustice

1878
01:22:48,864 --> 01:22:51,900
realize that they're seen.

1879
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:53,302
[Lily] <i> As women, we
need to still fight.</i>

1880
01:22:53,302 --> 01:22:55,137
...the earth! Rights
for the trees!

1881
01:22:55,137 --> 01:22:57,039
We've got so much more to do.

1882
01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:01,143
How can anybody ever do enough?

1883
01:23:01,143 --> 01:23:02,811
No matter what you're doing,
is never gonna be enough.

1884
01:23:02,811 --> 01:23:05,080
My Lord, it's 40 years now.

1885
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,982
Those fairy godmothers
accomplished a lot,

1886
01:23:06,982 --> 01:23:09,051
but we've got a long way to go.

1887
01:23:09,051 --> 01:23:12,054
Just like DoraLee and Violet and
Judy in the film.

1888
01:23:12,054 --> 01:23:14,823
-[cork pops]
-[laughter]

1889
01:23:14,823 --> 01:23:17,159
And Tinsworthy
loved what we did!

1890
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:19,094
Yeah, everything, except
that part about the money.

1891
01:23:19,094 --> 01:23:20,963
What are we gonna do about that?

1892
01:23:20,963 --> 01:23:22,898
Hey, we've come this
far, haven't we?

1893
01:23:22,898 --> 01:23:24,666
This is just the beginning.

1894
01:23:24,666 --> 01:23:26,802
And here's to the beginning!

1895
01:23:26,802 --> 01:23:27,936
-[laughs]
-I'll drink to that.

1896
01:23:27,936 --> 01:23:29,938
-To the beginning.
-Yay.

1897
01:23:29,938 --> 01:23:31,740
["9 to 5 (FROM THE STILL
WORKING 9 TO 5 DOCUMENTARY)"

1898
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:32,808
by Kelly Clarkson
and Dolly Parton]

1899
01:23:40,349 --> 01:23:41,316
<i>

1900
01:23:45,787 --> 01:23:48,257
<i>
stumble to the kitchen

1901
01:23:48,257 --> 01:23:50,759
<i>
cup of ambition

1902
01:23:50,759 --> 01:23:52,761
<i>
and try to come to life

1903
01:23:56,198 --> 01:23:58,533
<i>
the blood starts pumpin'

1904
01:23:58,533 --> 01:24:00,636
<i>
traffic is jumpin'

1905
01:24:00,636 --> 01:24:04,773
<i>
the job from nine to five

1906
01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:07,943
<i> -

1907
01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:07,943
<i>

1908
01:24:04,773 --> 01:24:07,943
<i>

1909
01:24:07,943 --> 01:24:10,712
<i>
make a livin'

1910
01:24:10,712 --> 01:24:13,048
<i> -
<i> -

1911
01:24:13,048 --> 01:24:16,451
<i>
and no givin'

1912
01:24:16,451 --> 01:24:18,153
<i> -

1913
01:24:16,451 --> 01:24:18,153
<i>

1914
01:24:16,451 --> 01:24:18,153
<i> mind

1915
01:24:18,153 --> 01:24:21,056
<i>
give you credit

1916
01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:25,460
<i>
you crazy if you let it

1917
01:24:25,460 --> 01:24:28,397
<i> -
five
five

1918
01:24:28,397 --> 01:24:31,733
<i>
and devotion

1919
01:24:31,733 --> 01:24:33,468
<i> -

1920
01:24:31,733 --> 01:24:33,468
<i>

1921
01:24:31,733 --> 01:24:33,468
<i> I

1922
01:24:33,468 --> 01:24:36,338
<i>
fair promotion

1923
01:24:36,338 --> 01:24:38,540
<i> -

1924
01:24:36,338 --> 01:24:38,540
<i> -

1925
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:41,643
<i>
seem to let me

1926
01:24:41,643 --> 01:24:44,546
<i>
man is out to get me

1927
01:24:44,546 --> 01:24:47,316
<i>

1928
01:24:47,316 --> 01:24:47,649
<i> -
<i> -

1929
01:24:49,318 --> 01:24:52,487
<i>

1930
01:24:52,487 --> 01:24:52,854
<i> -


1931
01:24:54,990 --> 01:24:58,327
<i>
let you dream

1932
01:24:58,327 --> 01:25:01,263
<i>
you're just a step

1933
01:25:01,263 --> 01:25:03,999
<i> -

1934
01:25:01,263 --> 01:25:03,999
<i>

1935
01:25:01,263 --> 01:25:03,999
<i> dreams

1936
01:25:03,999 --> 01:25:07,502
<i> -

1937
01:25:03,999 --> 01:25:07,502
<i>

1938
01:25:03,999 --> 01:25:07,502
<i> away

1939
01:25:07,502 --> 01:25:09,671
<i>
with a lot of your friends

1940
01:25:09,671 --> 01:25:12,407
<i>
your ship'll come in

1941
01:25:12,407 --> 01:25:14,409
<i> -
turn and it's all

1942
01:25:14,409 --> 01:25:17,179
<i> -
<i> -

1943
01:25:17,179 --> 01:25:19,348
<i> -
<i> -

1944
01:25:19,348 --> 01:25:22,351
<i>
make a livin'

1945
01:25:22,351 --> 01:25:24,519
<i> -
<i> -

1946
01:25:24,519 --> 01:25:28,023
<i>
and no givin'

1947
01:25:28,023 --> 01:25:29,591
<i> -

1948
01:25:28,023 --> 01:25:29,591
<i>

1949
01:25:28,023 --> 01:25:29,591
<i> mind

1950
01:25:29,591 --> 01:25:32,461
<i>
give you credit

1951
01:25:32,461 --> 01:25:35,864
<i>
you crazy if you let it

1952
01:25:35,864 --> 01:25:39,968
<i> -
<i> -

1953
01:25:39,968 --> 01:25:43,205
<i>
where they want you

1954
01:25:43,205 --> 01:25:45,807
<i> -

1955
01:25:43,205 --> 01:25:45,807
<i>

1956
01:25:43,205 --> 01:25:45,807
<i> life

1957
01:25:45,807 --> 01:25:48,310
<i> -

1958
01:25:45,807 --> 01:25:48,310
<i> don't you

1959
01:25:45,807 --> 01:25:48,310
<i>

1960
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:50,312
<i> -


1961
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:50,312
<i> game

1962
01:25:50,312 --> 01:25:52,581
<i>
they call it

1963
01:25:52,581 --> 01:25:55,984
<i>
life puttin' money

1964
01:25:55,984 --> 01:25:57,786
<i> -

1965
01:25:55,984 --> 01:25:57,786
<i> Puttin' money in his wallet</i>

1966
01:25:55,984 --> 01:25:57,786
<i>

1967
01:25:57,786 --> 01:26:00,222
<i> -
<i> -

1968
01:26:00,222 --> 01:26:03,158
<i>
make a livin'

1969
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:05,327
<i> -
<i> -

1970
01:26:05,327 --> 01:26:08,897
<i>
and no givin'

1971
01:26:08,897 --> 01:26:10,432
<i> -

1972
01:26:08,897 --> 01:26:10,432
<i>

1973
01:26:08,897 --> 01:26:10,432
<i> mind

1974
01:26:10,432 --> 01:26:13,301
<i>
give you credit

1975
01:26:13,301 --> 01:26:15,904
<i>
you crazy if you let it

1976
01:26:15,904 --> 01:26:18,573
<i>

1977
01:26:18,573 --> 01:26:23,412
<i> -
<i> -

1978
01:26:23,412 --> 01:26:24,780
<i> -
<i> -

1979
01:26:27,682 --> 01:26:30,000
<i> rich man's game

1980
01:26:27,682 --> 01:26:31,253
<i> -

1981
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,253
<i> rich man's game

1982
01:26:31,253 --> 01:26:33,488
<i>
they call it

1983
01:26:33,488 --> 01:26:36,758
<i>
life puttin' money

1984
01:26:36,758 --> 01:26:39,528
<i> -

1985
01:26:36,758 --> 01:26:39,528
<i> Puttin' money in his wallet</i>

1986
01:26:36,758 --> 01:26:39,528
<i>

1987
01:26:39,528 --> 01:26:41,430
<i> -
<i> -

1988
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:42,364
<i>
workin', workin'

1989
01:26:44,032 --> 01:26:46,468
<i>

1990
01:26:46,468 --> 01:26:47,869
<i>
workin', workin'

1991
01:26:49,871 --> 01:26:51,306
<i> -
<i> -

1992
01:26:51,306 --> 01:26:53,008
<i>
about it don't you

1993
01:26:54,342 --> 01:26:56,445
<i>

1994
01:26:56,445 --> 01:26:57,946
<i>
about it don't you

1995
01:27:00,015 --> 01:27:00,615
<i> -
<i> -