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- Thank you.
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- More?
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- Do you want to cheers?
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- Um, most people have
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Very strong principled stances
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Don't survive
for long, actually.
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We all want them
to survive for long,
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But they don't survive for long
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And do much at the same time.
And do much at the same time.
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- Yep.
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- There are many times in
wikileaks' evolution
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Where I've had
to be ruthlessly pragmatic,
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So it is, to...
Understand the medium-term
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Or the long-term goal
in principle,
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But in fact,
not corrupt your principles
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In the short term,
but be quite willing
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To balance one for another
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In order to actually survive
the moment.
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- Ukraine...
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Egypt. You got it?
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- Yeah.
- Zimbabwe.
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Iraq.
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All they can see
is that we've put it
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On the web,
which looks irresponsible.
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- Have you got
the u.S. Embassy yet?
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- No.
- Well, please do that.
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Are you recording?
- Yep.
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Oh, hello. Can I please speak
to hillary clinton?
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I'm calling from the office
of julian assange.
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It's very important.
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Yep, so julian assange
is the founder of wikileaks.
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Okay.
And all of the u.S. Department
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Of state cables--
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We have intelligence
that they are about to be
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Put on the web unredacted,
not by us,
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And I would like
to speak to her about this.
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- Sarah.
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- Yes?
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You need to call me back?
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This is an emergency.
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You're the emergency line
and it will take a while?
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Okay. Well, do you want to do
that right now, and I'll wait?
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He would like to speak
to her about that.
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Yes.
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Okay, well, let me start
by giving you phone number.
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One moment, please.
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he's not doing it.
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More details other than
the entire unredacted
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Cable set is about
to go on the internet?
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I mean literally
it's about to happen.
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I don't understand...
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Why you're not seeing
the urgency in this.
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- Just put him on anyway.
Who is he?
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- Okay.
- Who is he?
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Hello?
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Good day, chad,
this is julian assange.
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To try to make it clear,
we don't have a problem;
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You have a problem,
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And we are trying to help you
solve your problem,
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Because we are indirectly
connected to your problem.
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I would like to speak
to the most senior person
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Available who can execute
an action quickly
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To send someone
to location here in norfolk.
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- I understand. Thank you.
Thank you for your call.
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- Okay.
Okay. Thank you. Bye bye.
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- Hello.
- See you tomorrow.
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- Are you off?
- Bye.
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- Dinner's on the side.
- What's for dinner, sue?
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- Lamb chops, roast potatoes,
vegetables,
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Crme brule and raspberries.
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Thank you.
Very grand.
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- Thank you.
- See you tomorrow. 3:30. Bye.
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- Bye.
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- Production journal.
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I had a strange dream
about julian.
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I was moving between
two spaces.
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One, doing an insider expos,
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The other at a hidden location.
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I didn't tell julian what
I was working on in the dream.
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The anxiety
must be a fear of betrayal,
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And my worry about
how julian will react.
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With this film, the lines
have become very blurred.
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Sometimes I can't believe
what julian allows me to film.
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Ego, yes,
but also brave.
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He is managing his image,
but also being vulnerable.
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It's a mystery to me
why he trusts me,
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Because I don't think
he likes me.
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Jordan.
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Hello?
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- Hello,
is this ms. Harrison?
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- Speaking.
- Hi, ms. Harrison,
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This is the state department
operations center.
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We spoke yesterday.
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If mr. Assange is available,
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I have one of the secretary's
lawyers on the line
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Who has been asked
to return the call
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On the department
of state's behalf.
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One of the secretary's lawyers
to take the call.
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- Good day, cliff.
Thank you for calling back.
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Um, have--have--
have you been briefed?
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- Um, I believe so.
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We had understood that
you and perhaps sarah
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Had been trying to reach out
both to the department,
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And that there
had been some calls.
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- Yes, so the situation is,
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We have intelligence that
the department database archive
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Is being spread around,
and our view is
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That it's more
your problem than it is ours,
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But what we want
the state department to do
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Is to step up
its warning procedures,
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Which it was engaged
in earlier in the year
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And late last year to, um--
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To state department sources
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That are mentioned
in the cables. I--
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- Well, surely
you can understand that
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When you're talking about
this volume of material,
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That even with the best efforts
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Of the United States
government,
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That we are able to protect all
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Or even a significant amount
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Of source equities in them.
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There's also
national security material
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Throughout
the classified cables
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That also causes us harm.
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I mean, as you know,
mr. Assange, we had
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In our public statements,
tried to dissuade wikileaks
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From doing its releases
on the same ground,
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And it would--
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I don't know why
we would fare any better
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With...
- Well, I mean...
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- Than we did with you.
- Well, I understand you need
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To make that statement
for legal reasons,
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And you will understand
that I need to make
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The following statement also,
that, um,
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We make sure that there is
no harm to the interests
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Of the United States,
and rather the news benefit
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Is paramount
in everything that we do.
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I have to say,
from our perspective,
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A lot of this happened
as a result
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Of the, um,
overbearing pressure
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By the United States.
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This is an example of
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When you push people
into a corner,
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They stop behaving
in a step-by-step
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And methodical manner,
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Because of the threats
that they are under.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- I was stopped
at the border again.
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My detentions have become
more aggressive
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Since I began
filming wikileakes.
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The u.S. Agent at heathrow
wouldn't tell me his name
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Or who he worked for.
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At jfk they collected
all my electronics
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And asked if I had
any hidden usb drives.
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When I got home,
my apartment door was open.
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Did I forget to close it
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Or are they sending me
a message?
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- Can we start?
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You need to be able to talk
about exciting projects
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Without giving anything away.
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Those of you who can,
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'cause some of you
want to be sort of covert.
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- Cover stories
for various people.
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- That's what he means.
- That's what I'm talking about.
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- So joe and sarah are already
very publicly visible.
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They go as joe and sarah.
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- I want each person
to give their story,
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And you can correct it,
because then we hear it
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From them,
and then if other people ask us
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Who they are,
we've heard it in their voice.
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Who are you?
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- I'm a swedish journalist,
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And I'm a good friend.
- Okay.
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- Renata, what's your name?
Are you renata?
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- I'm renata,
I'm from guatemala.
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I'm lawyer and I have been
researching the last years
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About freedom of information,
human rights issues in general,
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And many of the issues
I work with
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Converge with the issues
of the organization.
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- But are you a lawyer
for julian?
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Are you a lawyer for wikileaks?
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Are you--what?
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- What should I say?
I don't know.
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- I think you should say that
you are...
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A lawyer for wikileaks.
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- Okay.
- Ediza?
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- Uh, my name is ediza.
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- I would like
to introduce jacob appelbaum,
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The speaker of wikileaks.
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He's an independent
security specialist.
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- Thank you so much
for having me.
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I really appreciate it.
I guess I'd like to start off
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By saying that
the best indicator
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For telling the future
is to look at the present
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And to understand
how the past informs
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On the present.
So, for example,
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A major security threat
is internet filtering
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And censorship,
and several people
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On this panel represent
companies that
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During the revolution,
they censored the internet
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Quite heavily.
Most respectfully,
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Te data blocking twitter.
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I was actually accessing
computer networks
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From the United States
that were located here in egypt,
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And now you look
at the pamphlets around here,
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You see that
the companies at ict,
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And I mean this
with all due respect,
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Are saying that they powered
the revolution.
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What they actually powered
was the regime,
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And now that the regime
has fallen,
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They want to exploit
the revolution
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For corporate profits.
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- Jacob,
can you define censorship
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In your terminology?
- Absolutely.
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So, censorship in this case
restricting access
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To a particular website.
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I had a list of all of
the servers that twitter runs,
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And all but two of them
were blocked by te data,
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And this meant that twitter
was not able to be used.
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yeah.
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But specifically,
I have data...
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- It's extremely dangerous
to talk with
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Inaccurate information
in such matters.
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- Oh, I have accurate data.
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So, I mean, we could also talk
about the propaganda
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Sms sent by the mobile
phone providers.
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We can get to that later.
I have data--
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Independent data from egyptians
and I gathered myself,
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So while it might be dangerous
to have this conversation,
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I'm happy to talk about it,
because it's truthful.
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For example,
did someone hold a gun
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To the heads
of your engineers and said,
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"block these sites"?
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Because noor
did not do this blocking.
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The noor isp did not do this.
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So why did te data collaborate
with the mubarak regime
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And block these sites
and try to stop the revolution?
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- Jacob--
- you want to build the future?
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Will you agree to stand
against all censorship
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Will you abide by
the egyptian constitution?
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- I ask you--wait, wait.
Please.
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I ask you right now,
since you're here.
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Every person--
vodafone, nokia,
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Who collaborates
with the iranian dictators
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And apparently mubarak
for a year.
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So I'd like to know,
will you all agree to stand
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Against censorship
on the internet
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And to abide by
the egyptian constitution?
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Will you do it? Vodafone?
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Is that a yes?
- Just a minute, please.
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- Will you agree
to stand against censorship?
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- I will come back--jacob,
will come back to the panel.
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- He's got the microphone.
I'd just like to ask--
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- Jacob, I will come back
to the panel.
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- It's okay.
He can say "yes,"
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Because he believes in the right
of the egyptian people.
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- We'll come back to the panel.
We have a question there.
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- Okay.
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- These remarkable
trove of documents
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That have been released
in the last year.
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The iraq war logs,
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The afghanistan war logs,
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And the u.S. State department
documents.
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Why does it matter so much?
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- It has been
my long-term belief
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That what advances us
as a civilization
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Is the entirety
of our understanding.
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What human institutions
are actually like.
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And at the moment,
we are severely lacking
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In the information from big,
secretive organizations
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That have such a role
in shaping how we all live.
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Institutions--
the most powerful institutions,
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From the cia
to news corporation,
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Are all organized
using technical young people.
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What does that mean,
when all those
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Technical young people
adopt a certain value system,
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And that they are
in an institution
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Where they do not agree
with the value system.
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And yet, actually, their hands
are on the machinery.
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- Light them all up.
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- Come on, fire.
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- Roger.
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- Manning is being held
in solitary confinement
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And is stripped naked
each night before bed.
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- Ultimately, the treatment
of private manning,
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Who has yet
to be brought to trial,
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That are now making it up
to the president.
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- With respect
to private manning,
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I have actually
asked the pentagon
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Whether or not the procedures
that have been taken
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In terms of his confinement
are appropriate
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And are meeting
our basic standards.
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They assure me that they are.
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- Hi. How are you?
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Did you see the news?
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I'm just actually in the car
with dan ellsberg and laura.
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I'll put you on.
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- Julian, hi.
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It's outrageous that
this court-martial
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Is continuing given
the president's proclamation
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That he's guilty already.
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It's impossible to get
a fair military trial.
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Here you go.
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- Did you get all that?
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Oh, my god, we're driving
past the pentagon.
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- Just in brief, they said
that they found an al-qaeda
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Operative in afghanistan's
computer that had
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The wikileaks afghan documents
downloaded onto it.
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They showed a video
of al-qaeda's media service
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Showing an al-qaeda leader
talking about jihad
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And how they ought
to use wikileaks
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In their efforts towards jihad,
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And the argument
they're making is that
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Manning has--by providing
information to wikileaks,
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Has materially aided
the enemy, because
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By posting it on the internet,
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Wikileaks is providing
information to the enemy,
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To terrorist organizations.
It was unbelievable.
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The whole--
it was just--
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We were sitting there thinking,
"are they serious?"
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And it even says,
"the free internet
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Is a tool for jihad."
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- The authority said they had
concerns about his safety
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And the fact he might
commit suicide.
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Now, there's been condemnation
from around the world,
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An investigation
by the un's torture investigator
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Into those conditions,
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But the military
and the u.S. Government
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Is continuing
to press this case.
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The most serious charge
is one of aiding the enemy.
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Now, prosecutors in this case
have said they
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Won't seek the death penalty,
so if found guilty,
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He would face
life in prison.
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- there he is.
344
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He's smiling.
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- When I was 20,
my first court case,
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My two co-defendants
both ratted me
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Out to the police
under pressure.
348
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And they both became, um...
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Crown witnesses.
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Um...
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And I refused,
under principle.
352
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And--but it's not that
I didn't think about it.
353
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Um, I don't believe in martyrs,
I don't think.
354
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Some very rare exceptions,
that people should be martyrs,
355
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But I think people
should certainly take risks.
356
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Understand carefully
what the risks are
357
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And what the opportunities
for the situation are,
358
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And make sure these
are in balance.
359
00:22:21,284 --> 00:22:24,254
Um, sometimes, the risk
can be very high,
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But the opportunity
can also be extremely high,
361
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And by opportunity I mean
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For things that you care about.
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Wee need to keep things
in perspective.
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I mean, there's--
- I mean--
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- The risk of inaction
is extremely high,
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And every day
you live your life,
367
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You lose another day of life.
368
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What's the risk
of just sitting there?
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I mean, you just lost a day.
370
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You just died a day.
371
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You don't have that many,
so...
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If you're not fighting
for the things
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That you care about,
and every day is disappearing,
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Then, I mean, you are losing.
375
00:23:14,681 --> 00:23:18,072
- that's your machine.
376
00:23:18,073 --> 00:23:21,554
It's up here.
It's up here.
377
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,037
- Pick it up so it
doesn't go somewhere else.
378
00:23:23,038 --> 00:23:24,278
Shit!
379
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:25,592
And then you just rip that--
380
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Pick it up
and press the green button.
381
00:23:32,757 --> 00:23:36,756
- Yes,
you called on this box.
382
00:23:39,506 --> 00:23:42,162
Julian assange.
383
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No, I was in the house.
384
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,510
- It's about you getting
your mind into
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Not using language
that sounds hostile to women
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Or to suggest that in general,
387
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Women are absolutely entitled
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To bring cases
against men who rape.
389
00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:46,348
Your position is,
"I'm not one of them."
390
00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:48,901
You know?
So you have to sort of
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Find the language that,
you know--
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00:24:51,309 --> 00:24:53,898
That helps you
to explain that,
393
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:56,394
Other than sounding as if
you're somebody who thinks that,
394
00:24:56,396 --> 00:25:00,458
You know, this is all a mad,
um...
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00:25:00,459 --> 00:25:01,994
Feminist conspiracy.
396
00:25:01,994 --> 00:25:04,709
I don't think
that's helpful to you.
397
00:25:04,714 --> 00:25:07,433
- No, to say it publicly
is not helpful.
398
00:25:07,434 --> 00:25:08,777
- I know,
but I'd like to persuade you
399
00:25:08,778 --> 00:25:10,341
That it isn't true as well.
400
00:25:10,345 --> 00:25:12,704
- Privately, it's--
- it feels like it to you.
401
00:25:12,713 --> 00:25:14,861
- Privately,
it's a social democratic party
402
00:25:14,862 --> 00:25:19,268
Plus general influence
from the government.
403
00:25:19,272 --> 00:25:22,790
It's just a thoroughly...
404
00:25:22,791 --> 00:25:26,501
Tawdry radical feminist
405
00:25:26,502 --> 00:25:28,869
Political positioning thing.
406
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:33,988
It's some--some stereotype.
407
00:25:33,989 --> 00:25:37,662
- And you stumbled
into this nest of--of--
408
00:25:37,668 --> 00:25:39,423
- Yes.
409
00:25:39,428 --> 00:25:42,180
She started the lesbian
nightclub in gothenburg.
410
00:25:42,181 --> 00:25:44,865
- I mean, you know,
but what people would say is,
411
00:25:44,866 --> 00:25:47,101
"well, you know, what's her
setting up a lesbian nightclub
412
00:25:47,106 --> 00:25:49,081
Got to do with the price
of fish?" you know--
413
00:25:49,089 --> 00:25:51,615
- No, I know.
She's in that circle--
414
00:25:51,616 --> 00:25:54,367
That circle of--
- she's--you know,
415
00:25:54,368 --> 00:25:56,439
The fact that somebody
is a feminist,
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00:25:56,447 --> 00:25:58,365
And even a radical feminist,
doesn't mean--
417
00:25:58,367 --> 00:26:00,860
- You know the krens?
The police woman I have
418
00:26:00,862 --> 00:26:03,325
Been running as a tag team.
- But, julian, you see...
419
00:26:03,326 --> 00:26:04,381
- They go to krens.
- I want to stop you using
420
00:26:04,382 --> 00:26:05,657
That kind of language of saying
421
00:26:05,661 --> 00:26:07,004
"they were running
as a tag team,"
422
00:26:07,005 --> 00:26:08,722
And so on, because,
you know,
423
00:26:08,732 --> 00:26:10,008
It's making it as if--
- not in public. I just say--
424
00:26:10,012 --> 00:26:11,709
- Yeah, but I mean, of course--
425
00:26:16,441 --> 00:26:18,328
- An actual court case.
426
00:26:18,329 --> 00:26:21,820
I mean, it's going to be very,
very hard for these women.
427
00:26:21,821 --> 00:26:24,598
They'll be reviled forever
428
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:29,334
By a large segment
of the global population,
429
00:26:29,335 --> 00:26:33,171
And so...
430
00:26:33,175 --> 00:26:36,532
I don't think
it's in their interest
431
00:26:36,535 --> 00:26:38,482
To proceed that way.
432
00:26:38,486 --> 00:26:40,884
If I was them, I would go--
433
00:26:40,886 --> 00:26:44,051
They need to save face,
so they would do something
434
00:26:44,054 --> 00:26:47,919
Like we'd do a deal where,
um...
435
00:26:47,924 --> 00:26:49,689
I would apologize for anything
436
00:26:49,690 --> 00:26:52,274
That I did or didn't do
437
00:26:52,275 --> 00:26:55,565
To hurt their feelings,
438
00:26:55,571 --> 00:26:59,119
And they would say,
"enough is enough.
439
00:26:59,122 --> 00:27:02,160
"we didn't want--
440
00:27:02,161 --> 00:27:03,792
"we obviously didn't want--
441
00:27:03,793 --> 00:27:06,123
We didn't intend
to file a complaint,"
442
00:27:06,128 --> 00:27:11,886
And that's publicly agreed,
and this is too severe.
443
00:27:11,887 --> 00:27:16,203
Part of the problem in this case
is that there's two women,
444
00:27:16,205 --> 00:27:19,246
And the public just can't even
keep them separate.
445
00:27:24,202 --> 00:27:27,300
So if there was one,
you could go,
446
00:27:27,306 --> 00:27:29,186
"she's a bad woman," okay?
447
00:27:29,194 --> 00:27:31,208
I think that would have
happened by now.
448
00:27:33,159 --> 00:27:35,240
"this person
is a bad character--
449
00:27:35,241 --> 00:27:37,474
Bad faith,
and here's the evidence
450
00:27:37,479 --> 00:27:38,949
That points for it."
451
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:41,156
Because there's two,
it's much harder.
452
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:54,908
I thought
I'd try and look as much
453
00:27:54,916 --> 00:27:57,467
Like the judges as possible.
- Yeah.
454
00:27:57,476 --> 00:27:59,394
- It works?
455
00:28:05,635 --> 00:28:11,618
456
00:28:11,619 --> 00:28:12,894
Here we are.
Here we are.
457
00:28:12,898 --> 00:28:15,066
- Okay.
458
00:28:17,665 --> 00:28:19,832
- Julian. Julian!
459
00:28:32,892 --> 00:28:35,900
- Sir, sir! Sir!
- How do you feel?
460
00:28:35,901 --> 00:28:37,819
- A man who's been involved
in exposing
461
00:28:37,821 --> 00:28:40,830
The crimes of the u.S. Empire
is under threats,
462
00:28:40,831 --> 00:28:44,059
Or potentially being extradited
to the United States.
463
00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:46,458
It seems very likely to
be a malicious
464
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:48,378
Prosecution against him,
and that's why I'm here
465
00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:49,626
To show my solidarity.
466
00:28:55,065 --> 00:28:57,213
- If he assaulted the women,
then that's a different case,
467
00:28:57,214 --> 00:28:59,224
And it's important
that he answers to that,
468
00:28:59,225 --> 00:29:02,616
And he has to answer to her,
but at the moment,
469
00:29:02,617 --> 00:29:04,976
I don't know,
and whatever he did there,
470
00:29:04,985 --> 00:29:06,903
I still support
what he's doing with wikileaks.
471
00:29:19,895 --> 00:29:23,254
- How confident are you
of a win?
472
00:29:23,255 --> 00:29:24,981
- Step back, gentlemen.
Give a little space.
473
00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:33,612
Activists:
I shall be released
474
00:29:33,621 --> 00:29:36,172
any day now
I shall be released
475
00:29:47,858 --> 00:29:51,790
Activists:
I shall be released
476
00:29:52,914 --> 00:29:55,377
- Production journal.
477
00:29:55,378 --> 00:29:59,153
This is not the film
I thought I was making.
478
00:29:59,154 --> 00:30:02,348
I thought I could ignore
the contradictions.
479
00:30:02,353 --> 00:30:05,739
I thought they were
not part of the story.
480
00:30:05,745 --> 00:30:07,950
I was so wrong.
481
00:30:07,952 --> 00:30:09,870
They are becoming the story.
482
00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:18,504
483
00:30:30,189 --> 00:30:32,779
- So click save.
484
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:57,264
You're in a region
that is extremely valuable
485
00:30:57,265 --> 00:30:59,178
To wiretap,
and you are almost certainly
486
00:30:59,180 --> 00:31:01,386
Being monitored.
487
00:31:01,388 --> 00:31:02,990
In tunisia, we know
that this is happening.
488
00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:04,588
- Yes.
- So that's true for all of us
489
00:31:04,589 --> 00:31:06,505
Right now, no question,
and if you look,
490
00:31:06,507 --> 00:31:08,013
You can see that this
is the case, because
491
00:31:08,014 --> 00:31:09,699
Some websites are blocked.
- Yes.
492
00:31:09,707 --> 00:31:11,941
- In syria, they use devices
called "bluecoat."
493
00:31:11,946 --> 00:31:14,507
They record everything
that goes in and out of syria,
494
00:31:14,508 --> 00:31:16,106
So every time
you send an e-mail,
495
00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:17,860
They record the entire thing.
496
00:31:17,865 --> 00:31:20,330
Think about it in terms
of safe sex, right?
497
00:31:20,331 --> 00:31:21,700
And this is the same thing.
498
00:31:21,704 --> 00:31:24,447
People are practicing
unsafe computing;
499
00:31:24,456 --> 00:31:27,783
Sometimes, in some places,
the result of that is death.
500
00:31:27,784 --> 00:31:29,126
So you have to make
those choices and know
501
00:31:29,127 --> 00:31:31,678
That there are options,
but just like condoms,
502
00:31:31,687 --> 00:31:33,221
Well, they could break.
- Yeah.
503
00:31:33,222 --> 00:31:35,294
- And you're in a world of hurt.
504
00:31:35,302 --> 00:31:36,740
That's maybe not the greatest
505
00:31:36,741 --> 00:31:39,014
And most culturally
appropriate analogy...
506
00:31:42,819 --> 00:31:45,734
- Well, I'm glad one of you did.
That's awkward.
507
00:31:48,481 --> 00:31:50,456
Good times.
508
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,239
- Technology can always
be used in two ways.
509
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,158
Isn't the internet
just an infrastructure?
510
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,457
One that can be used to spread
the idea of freedom,
511
00:32:03,458 --> 00:32:06,361
But also to control people.
- Yeah, of course.
512
00:32:06,367 --> 00:32:08,314
The infrastructure
as we build it today...
513
00:32:08,318 --> 00:32:10,332
- In a way that has
never been possible before.
514
00:32:10,334 --> 00:32:13,116
- Well, I don't know.
I mean, it depends.
515
00:32:13,117 --> 00:32:15,292
I think the scary thing
is the control thing.
516
00:32:15,293 --> 00:32:16,568
- Mm-hmm.
- There's control that is
517
00:32:16,572 --> 00:32:18,711
Afforded now that
is unlike anything else
518
00:32:18,715 --> 00:32:20,250
That has ever happened.
519
00:32:20,251 --> 00:32:22,840
At the same time,
the avenues for communication
520
00:32:22,842 --> 00:32:25,689
Are everything we had
before plus this.
521
00:32:25,690 --> 00:32:28,603
Maybe that allows for us
to build new alternatives
522
00:32:28,604 --> 00:32:30,968
That previously were not
possible without the internet.
523
00:32:30,969 --> 00:32:32,945
I think that that is the case.
That's what we think
524
00:32:32,952 --> 00:32:35,024
That we're doing with tor.
525
00:32:35,032 --> 00:32:38,006
- Don't you give bad guys
a hideout?
526
00:32:38,007 --> 00:32:41,681
- No.
I mean, not any more than,
527
00:32:41,687 --> 00:32:44,313
For example, roads help
terrorists to travel...
528
00:32:44,314 --> 00:32:46,038
- Yeah.
- Or trains or something
529
00:32:46,038 --> 00:32:48,724
Like that, or airplanes.
I mean, what we do is we ensure
530
00:32:48,726 --> 00:32:50,999
That every person--
not one person excluded,
531
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,484
Has the right to read
and the right to speak freely,
532
00:32:54,485 --> 00:32:57,678
With no exceptions.
533
00:33:06,354 --> 00:33:09,046
- So what happened in egypt,
they did use all these
534
00:33:09,047 --> 00:33:11,277
Completely insecure
communications mechanisms...
535
00:33:11,281 --> 00:33:14,800
- Mm-hmm.
- But they did it quickly,
536
00:33:14,801 --> 00:33:16,402
So they were able
to communicate quickly
537
00:33:16,403 --> 00:33:19,115
Because they use insecure
communications mechanisms.
538
00:33:19,121 --> 00:33:21,672
And so you whip--
a political situation
539
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,135
Was whipped up
and evolved much faster
540
00:33:24,144 --> 00:33:26,703
Than their opponents
could see it,
541
00:33:26,704 --> 00:33:29,071
Understand it,
and act on it.
542
00:33:29,072 --> 00:33:31,440
- So, I think that
the general principle
543
00:33:31,441 --> 00:33:32,878
You have there is true,
544
00:33:32,879 --> 00:33:35,117
But I don't think
that it actually
545
00:33:35,118 --> 00:33:37,094
Is the case that,
in the long run,
546
00:33:37,102 --> 00:33:38,626
All of those
insecure technologies
547
00:33:38,637 --> 00:33:40,613
Will actually benefit them.
548
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:43,947
In tunisia, we were told that
people in syria were killed.
549
00:33:43,948 --> 00:33:47,307
- How many people are you
willing to sacrifice
550
00:33:47,308 --> 00:33:49,350
In order to get
the political gain,
551
00:33:49,355 --> 00:33:52,616
Or if you were
one of those people,
552
00:33:52,619 --> 00:33:55,621
How much of your own life
are you willing to risk
553
00:33:55,626 --> 00:33:57,419
In order to get
that political gain?
554
00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:59,748
- Well, part of--
- and that actually--actually,
555
00:33:59,753 --> 00:34:03,751
You might be willing
to risk rather a lot,
556
00:34:03,752 --> 00:34:06,471
And if you slow
everyone down such that
557
00:34:06,472 --> 00:34:08,456
You're not going to get
the political gain at all,
558
00:34:08,457 --> 00:34:11,016
Yes, you might protect people,
but on the other hand,
559
00:34:11,017 --> 00:34:13,183
You're not--
are you protecting people
560
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:15,588
By permitting a situation
to continue where you have
561
00:34:15,590 --> 00:34:17,508
20,000 political prisoners?
562
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:19,907
That's not protecting
people, either.
563
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:21,414
- It's just that I'm not clear
564
00:34:21,415 --> 00:34:23,014
If they understand
what will happen.
565
00:34:23,015 --> 00:34:25,564
I think most people
don't understand data retention.
566
00:34:25,572 --> 00:34:26,973
- I don't think it works
like that, actually.
567
00:34:26,980 --> 00:34:28,707
I think that you have
a short-term crisis,
568
00:34:28,708 --> 00:34:32,122
And you decide that the ability
to activate quickly
569
00:34:32,131 --> 00:34:35,776
And en masse is more important
than preventing
570
00:34:35,779 --> 00:34:38,051
The internet from forming
a long-term profile on them.
571
00:34:38,052 --> 00:34:40,544
People just don't understand
the threat model.
572
00:34:40,546 --> 00:34:42,627
- And there's two
different threat models here,
573
00:34:42,628 --> 00:34:46,202
'cause there's one
where they know who you are,
574
00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:48,549
And they're going to spend
a certain amount of resources
575
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:51,007
On targeting you
576
00:34:51,008 --> 00:34:52,859
And following you physically,
577
00:34:52,864 --> 00:34:57,180
And the other is they don't
yet know who you are.
578
00:34:57,182 --> 00:34:59,733
So as long and as long
as you keep your anonymity,
579
00:34:59,742 --> 00:35:01,718
You don't end up
in this first category.
580
00:35:01,725 --> 00:35:04,698
And once you're in this
first category, it's very hard.
581
00:35:04,701 --> 00:35:08,211
I'm in this first category.
582
00:35:08,221 --> 00:35:12,019
You're in this first category.
- Yep.
583
00:35:21,083 --> 00:35:23,097
- croatia, albania
584
00:35:23,099 --> 00:35:24,854
somewhere near romania
- keep your head forward
585
00:35:24,858 --> 00:35:26,364
So I don't cut your neck.
- it's euro and nato
586
00:35:26,365 --> 00:35:28,376
- Do you wanna do that?
- We'll just trim--
587
00:35:28,378 --> 00:35:30,776
- why the hell do we go?
588
00:35:30,778 --> 00:35:33,175
- That's mine.
- head for macedonia
589
00:35:33,177 --> 00:35:38,038
I'll race ya
- somewhere far overseas
590
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:39,919
- Little rat tail there.
591
00:35:39,927 --> 00:35:42,037
- there's a place--
592
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:43,727
- Could you look for
the occupy london photo?
593
00:35:43,734 --> 00:35:45,556
- And make sure the sound's up.
594
00:36:01,811 --> 00:36:05,388
- No. I don't want to cut it
too short in the back
595
00:36:05,395 --> 00:36:08,593
- you look sensational
in that dress
596
00:36:08,594 --> 00:36:10,033
597
00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:14,609
you look sensational
in that dress
598
00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:19,117
you look sensational
in that dress
599
00:36:19,121 --> 00:36:20,368
- Julian,
you just need to wash it.
600
00:36:20,369 --> 00:36:21,318
601
00:36:22,608 --> 00:36:24,207
- Cut it extra.
602
00:36:24,208 --> 00:36:27,209
- you look sensational
in that dress
603
00:37:01,164 --> 00:37:04,044
- Three guys arrive,
and they approach him,
604
00:37:04,045 --> 00:37:06,117
And they say, "fbi."
605
00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:09,481
- They asked about my--
- about your name
606
00:37:09,484 --> 00:37:12,677
And his involvement with you,
and they said,
607
00:37:12,683 --> 00:37:14,793
"you were involved
with wikileaks, right?
608
00:37:14,795 --> 00:37:18,152
And we have been
following you."
609
00:37:18,155 --> 00:37:20,235
They admitted that they
have been following you--
610
00:37:20,236 --> 00:37:23,303
"and we are contacting you
because we want to ask you
611
00:37:23,306 --> 00:37:25,224
Some questions, and--
- like what?
612
00:37:25,226 --> 00:37:27,560
- Well, very general stuff,
613
00:37:27,561 --> 00:37:30,591
Like, "we want to know
your relationship
614
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,918
With julian assange."
general stuff like that.
615
00:37:39,782 --> 00:37:43,269
- No. Shh.
616
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:44,325
It's two guys.
617
00:37:46,949 --> 00:37:49,317
- Shall I continue, or...
- Go have a look at it.
618
00:37:49,318 --> 00:37:51,782
- Huh?
- Just have a look there, laura?
619
00:37:51,783 --> 00:37:54,275
- Mm-hmm.
620
00:38:11,074 --> 00:38:12,196
- This question
about communication
621
00:38:12,197 --> 00:38:13,633
With manning, for example,
622
00:38:13,634 --> 00:38:16,032
That's clearly the most
important question...
623
00:38:16,034 --> 00:38:17,472
- Yes.
- I've heard so far, but...
624
00:38:17,473 --> 00:38:20,350
- I said,
"did I mention jacob?"
625
00:38:20,353 --> 00:38:23,106
And he said, "no,
they didn't mention jacob.
626
00:38:23,106 --> 00:38:25,151
They just mentioned julian."
627
00:38:25,152 --> 00:38:26,907
Because they mentioned
you again.
628
00:38:26,912 --> 00:38:28,677
Wikileaks and julian assange,
because of the manning case.
629
00:38:28,678 --> 00:38:31,069
- In the car?
- In the one--
630
00:38:31,071 --> 00:38:32,510
The three spooks.
631
00:38:32,511 --> 00:38:34,429
- Yeah.
- When they were trying
632
00:38:34,431 --> 00:38:36,577
To make him
answer the questions,
633
00:38:36,578 --> 00:38:39,135
Because the metro was closed,
that what they could do
634
00:38:39,136 --> 00:38:42,587
Is give him a ride on the car
635
00:38:42,589 --> 00:38:44,220
To the house
that he was staying at,
636
00:38:44,221 --> 00:38:46,618
Because he--
and he said to them
637
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,785
That he was staying alone
in the house.
638
00:38:49,788 --> 00:38:52,023
he is such a fucking idiot.
639
00:38:52,027 --> 00:38:54,107
Get into a car
with three fbi guys.
640
00:38:54,108 --> 00:38:55,545
Yeah. All right. Yeah.
- Yeah. Yeah.
641
00:38:55,546 --> 00:38:57,781
And said,
"what you have to do now
642
00:38:57,785 --> 00:38:59,857
Is to call this and this and
this and this and this person--
643
00:39:06,102 --> 00:39:09,747
- Go on.
- That's his security--
644
00:39:21,492 --> 00:39:24,379
- I bumped into four people
I knew in sweden.
645
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:26,770
They all say the same thing:
646
00:39:26,772 --> 00:39:30,451
That wikileaks has lost ground
because of you.
647
00:39:30,452 --> 00:39:32,658
Doesn't matter when you go
"yes, but you know,
648
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:34,415
"wikileaks is him.
649
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:36,021
It's all his ideas,
and all that,"
650
00:39:36,022 --> 00:39:38,417
That almost puts them
off even more.
651
00:39:38,419 --> 00:39:42,354
You--I mean,
you're toxic there.
652
00:39:42,355 --> 00:39:46,065
They all say, "apologize."
653
00:39:46,066 --> 00:39:47,946
I'm not telling you
this is what I'm saying.
654
00:39:47,954 --> 00:39:49,392
I'm just passing on
what they--
655
00:39:49,393 --> 00:39:51,215
- so--
- I'm just passing on--
656
00:39:51,216 --> 00:39:54,189
- 500 days of detention
without a judge.
657
00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:55,823
- Yeah.
658
00:39:55,824 --> 00:39:57,933
The only person
who put it differently
659
00:39:57,935 --> 00:40:01,390
Was thomas olsen,
who said,
660
00:40:01,391 --> 00:40:03,462
You need to address
the issue.
661
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:04,774
And he said what you do
is you need
662
00:40:04,782 --> 00:40:08,301
To address the girls, say,
663
00:40:08,302 --> 00:40:10,669
"I'm sorry you felt that way.
664
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:12,492
"I wasn't disregarding you.
665
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:14,351
Da-da-da."
that sort of thing.
666
00:40:14,352 --> 00:40:15,979
- Well sure,
just fly her over,
667
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:18,982
I'm sure she'll be happy
to have a private meeting.
668
00:40:18,987 --> 00:40:21,577
- Usw?
- Yeah.
669
00:40:21,579 --> 00:40:25,385
- You being sarcastic?
- No.
670
00:40:25,386 --> 00:40:29,059
- Um, if you can demonstrate
671
00:40:29,066 --> 00:40:30,888
That due process
hasn't been followed,
672
00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:32,260
That will really
upset the swedes,
673
00:40:32,264 --> 00:40:34,019
'cause they're a stickler
for process.
674
00:40:34,024 --> 00:40:35,309
- What? No, they're not.
- No, I know they're not...
675
00:40:35,310 --> 00:40:36,800
- They're not
a stickler for process.
676
00:40:36,807 --> 00:40:38,179
- Because every time--
- they're a stickler
677
00:40:38,182 --> 00:40:39,783
For pretending
that there's process.
678
00:40:39,784 --> 00:40:41,221
- Yeah,
but you've got to--
679
00:40:41,222 --> 00:40:42,977
- We have been demonstrating,
again and again
680
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,420
And again, that their due
process hasn't been followed.
681
00:40:44,421 --> 00:40:46,013
- Yes, I know.
That's why I said I disagreed.
682
00:40:46,021 --> 00:40:47,785
And I said, "well, you know,
here's why--
683
00:40:47,786 --> 00:40:51,617
- That's why they hate me.
- Anyway, then they--
684
00:40:51,621 --> 00:40:54,659
- Yeah, I'm sure they
much prefer to fuck me
685
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,086
And have no whimpering sounds.
686
00:40:57,091 --> 00:41:00,735
- This is my debrief,
so can you keep quiet?
687
00:41:00,738 --> 00:41:03,040
- Go on.
- Because every time I say,
688
00:41:03,042 --> 00:41:06,053
"well," they're like,
"he should just come back."
689
00:41:06,054 --> 00:41:09,847
And say, "and get the--"
- get into that prison cell.
690
00:41:09,856 --> 00:41:11,803
- Yeah.
691
00:41:36,894 --> 00:41:38,457
- Hi. I'll put him on.
692
00:41:40,253 --> 00:41:42,209
- Hello?
693
00:41:44,924 --> 00:41:47,836
Yeah, of course.
Well, you need to say that.
694
00:41:47,837 --> 00:41:49,822
That these are weasel words.
695
00:41:52,283 --> 00:41:54,642
No, fuck that. You don't need
to worry about that.
696
00:41:54,652 --> 00:41:57,557
The u.S. Is having--
has an active grand jury
697
00:41:57,563 --> 00:42:00,153
With fbi agents detaining
people at airports.
698
00:42:04,762 --> 00:42:06,450
- Oh, no, they're not.
That's a lie.
699
00:42:07,832 --> 00:42:09,683
No, it's a grand jury.
It's secret.
700
00:42:09,688 --> 00:42:12,407
All you have to do
is quote--no, no.
701
00:42:12,408 --> 00:42:14,488
No, no, no.
All you have to do is quote
702
00:42:14,489 --> 00:42:16,434
What was in
"the sydney morning herald"
703
00:42:16,439 --> 00:42:18,645
From the australian
government's own material,
704
00:42:18,647 --> 00:42:22,128
Which is, "it cannot
be confirmed on the record."
705
00:42:23,316 --> 00:42:26,228
Ie, it can be confirmed
off the record.
706
00:42:26,229 --> 00:42:28,243
Witnesses who have been
dragged in have
707
00:42:28,245 --> 00:42:30,546
Released their subpoenas,
have been on the steps
708
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:31,824
Of the grand jury.
709
00:42:46,641 --> 00:42:53,354
710
00:43:09,105 --> 00:43:12,557
- Julian runs the organization
like an intelligence agency:
711
00:43:12,561 --> 00:43:15,792
Using code names,
denial and deception,
712
00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:17,807
Compartmentalization.
713
00:43:20,238 --> 00:43:22,473
He's teaching me things
about secrecy
714
00:43:22,479 --> 00:43:26,027
I didn't realize
I needed to learn.
715
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:28,236
I don't know
what he's planning.
716
00:43:28,238 --> 00:43:30,798
I'm only able to see
one step ahead.
717
00:43:33,677 --> 00:43:40,429
718
00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:06,337
719
00:45:37,989 --> 00:45:39,619
- Hi.
720
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:42,593
- How's it going?
721
00:45:44,098 --> 00:45:46,630
- But don't--don't--don't tell
that journalist,
722
00:45:46,631 --> 00:45:49,024
And, um--yeah.
723
00:45:49,026 --> 00:45:50,624
Any journalists.
724
00:45:50,625 --> 00:45:52,380
Yeah, well,
tell him to bugger off.
725
00:46:13,821 --> 00:46:15,583
- Those who support
julian assange believe
726
00:46:15,584 --> 00:46:17,720
That his extradition
is only the beginning
727
00:46:17,725 --> 00:46:19,643
Of a very long process
that could land
728
00:46:19,645 --> 00:46:22,906
The whistleblower
in a u.S. Prison.
729
00:47:04,218 --> 00:47:07,133
- In the last few moments,
the uk's supreme court
730
00:47:07,134 --> 00:47:09,211
Has dismissed the appeal
of julian assange,
731
00:47:09,212 --> 00:47:11,924
Effectively paving the way
for him to be extradited
732
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:13,884
To sweden
within the next ten days.
733
00:47:13,885 --> 00:47:15,895
He is not being charged
with any crime.
734
00:47:15,897 --> 00:47:18,036
At this stage,
he is only wanted in sweden
735
00:47:18,041 --> 00:47:21,234
For questioning in relation
to some sexual allegations
736
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,095
Of which mr. Assange denies.
737
00:47:23,096 --> 00:47:26,289
Assange was not in court for
that judgment to be handed down.
738
00:47:26,295 --> 00:47:29,019
We understand he wanted to be
but was caught in traffic.
739
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:30,933
- He was not in court,
740
00:47:30,935 --> 00:47:33,659
Although he may well be
watching it here on television.
741
00:47:49,877 --> 00:47:51,546
- I'm fine.
742
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:36,721
743
00:48:50,928 --> 00:48:53,679
- Well, we're told that
he is inside this embassy here.
744
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,528
We're not getting a lot
of information on the ground.
745
00:48:56,529 --> 00:49:00,651
His supporters even were caught
by surprise by this move.
746
00:49:10,029 --> 00:49:12,684
- Yes, we considered
many countries.
747
00:49:12,685 --> 00:49:15,591
However, on our analysis,
748
00:49:15,597 --> 00:49:22,155
Ecuador was the most likely
to agree to the asylum.
749
00:49:22,156 --> 00:49:23,565
A lot of support in iceland,
750
00:49:23,566 --> 00:49:25,798
And iceland was moving
in that direction,
751
00:49:25,803 --> 00:49:27,721
But, unfortunately,
they were
752
00:49:27,723 --> 00:49:30,600
Simply not far enough.
753
00:49:30,603 --> 00:49:33,672
Well, we say that my activities
are protected
754
00:49:33,675 --> 00:49:36,744
By the first amendment, but
it's all a matter of politics.
755
00:49:36,747 --> 00:49:40,199
Laws are interpreted by judges.
756
00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:45,160
In any event, we require
that the United States
757
00:49:45,161 --> 00:49:47,271
Guarantee that it does not apply
758
00:49:47,273 --> 00:49:50,472
The death penalty
in my extradition.
759
00:49:50,473 --> 00:49:53,637
However, it still could
be life imprisonment
760
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,079
Or 30 years of imprisonment,
761
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,957
And the conditions
might be very severe.
762
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:04,673
763
00:50:06,598 --> 00:50:08,391
- Well, there's still
an awful lot of people here,
764
00:50:08,392 --> 00:50:10,500
Not just supporters of assange,
765
00:50:10,502 --> 00:50:12,676
But also passersby wondering
what on earth is going on.
766
00:50:12,677 --> 00:50:14,116
Of course, as I'm sure
you can imagine,
767
00:50:14,117 --> 00:50:16,994
There's a lot
of media here too.
768
00:50:16,997 --> 00:50:20,190
The uk previously sent
a letter,
769
00:50:20,196 --> 00:50:22,594
Which has been
interpreted by ecuador
770
00:50:22,596 --> 00:50:25,154
As a threat
to storm the embassy
771
00:50:25,155 --> 00:50:28,224
And get assange out
by any means necessary.
772
00:50:28,227 --> 00:50:31,258
That didn't go down very well
with the ecuadorians at all.
773
00:50:31,266 --> 00:50:33,031
They said that it was an act
774
00:50:33,032 --> 00:50:35,999
That was not fitting
of a civilized nation.
775
00:50:37,471 --> 00:50:44,194
776
00:51:05,373 --> 00:51:07,099
- And even in a state of war--
777
00:51:07,101 --> 00:51:09,786
Even if the uk was at war
with ecuador,
778
00:51:09,788 --> 00:51:11,543
They do not have the right
to go into the mission.
779
00:51:14,106 --> 00:51:16,062
Yeah.
780
00:51:31,255 --> 00:51:34,928
- The news that julian assange
has been granted asylum
781
00:51:34,936 --> 00:51:36,986
By the ecuadorian government
is slowly spreading
782
00:51:36,987 --> 00:51:38,643
Through a large,
substantial crowd
783
00:51:38,647 --> 00:51:40,661
Here outside
the ecuadorian embassy,
784
00:51:40,663 --> 00:51:44,365
But the british government is
insisting it changes nothing.
785
00:52:20,564 --> 00:52:22,549
- How pathetic is that?
786
00:52:28,050 --> 00:52:31,627
- A press conference
with all of the london media,
787
00:52:31,634 --> 00:52:33,777
Who hate us,
788
00:52:33,778 --> 00:52:36,751
And doing it live
to the world.
789
00:52:36,754 --> 00:52:38,509
- It'll be fine.
790
00:52:38,514 --> 00:52:40,748
I'm fucking terrified.
791
00:52:40,753 --> 00:52:42,575
I'll read it to you.
792
00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:44,561
- Yep.
793
00:52:46,222 --> 00:52:48,494
- I'm so scared.
Okay.
794
00:52:48,495 --> 00:52:51,374
- You'll be fine.
795
00:52:51,375 --> 00:52:52,939
Thanks for coming.
796
00:52:52,942 --> 00:52:54,669
I'm going to talk a bit
about today's release.
797
00:52:54,670 --> 00:52:56,137
Then we'll key
through our interface.
798
00:52:56,141 --> 00:52:58,980
Then I'll take a few questions
at the end.
799
00:52:58,988 --> 00:53:00,964
Just now, at 11:00 a.M. Bst,
800
00:53:00,971 --> 00:53:03,657
Wikileaks began publishing
the syria files.
801
00:53:03,659 --> 00:53:05,769
Over the next two months,
groundbreaking stories--
802
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:08,293
- No.
You have to look up.
803
00:53:08,298 --> 00:53:09,573
- Oh.
804
00:53:09,577 --> 00:53:12,416
- But you're doing
really well otherwise.
805
00:53:12,424 --> 00:53:14,083
- Over the next two months--
- no.
806
00:53:14,088 --> 00:53:15,814
- Ah!
- Don't--
807
00:53:15,815 --> 00:53:17,858
Just read it
in your head, so buffer up.
808
00:53:17,863 --> 00:53:22,016
Go, "get the first four words
into my head,"
809
00:53:22,022 --> 00:53:23,845
Then look up and speak them.
810
00:53:23,845 --> 00:53:27,940
- Okay.
So here we go.
811
00:53:27,941 --> 00:53:30,566
Wikileaks founder julian assange
cannot be with us today,
812
00:53:30,567 --> 00:53:33,442
But has given this comment
on the syria files:
813
00:53:33,445 --> 00:53:35,495
"the material
is embarrassing to syria,
814
00:53:35,496 --> 00:53:38,053
"but it is also embarrassing
to syria's opponents.
815
00:53:38,054 --> 00:53:40,737
"it helps us not merely to
criticize one group or another,
816
00:53:40,739 --> 00:53:43,300
"but to understand
their interests, actions,
817
00:53:43,301 --> 00:53:45,217
And thoughts."
818
00:53:46,530 --> 00:53:48,572
- We don't just be
pissing off assad,
819
00:53:48,578 --> 00:53:50,535
We'll be pissing off
his enemies as well.
820
00:53:58,208 --> 00:54:00,735
- okay, give
me a couple of questions.
821
00:54:00,736 --> 00:54:03,201
The one
that I'm most nervous about...
822
00:54:03,202 --> 00:54:07,611
Is the typical one,
the girlfriend one,
823
00:54:07,615 --> 00:54:09,380
And I just give a funny look,
and joseph says,
824
00:54:09,381 --> 00:54:12,156
"that's enough on this topic."
825
00:54:12,158 --> 00:54:14,968
- Just imagine that they're
a piece of shit on your shoe.
826
00:54:14,974 --> 00:54:17,045
A piece of dog shit.
827
00:54:17,053 --> 00:54:20,412
Don't look at all scared.
Just look, "what?
828
00:54:20,413 --> 00:54:22,484
Oh, please."
- ridiculous question right now.
829
00:54:22,492 --> 00:54:24,947
- No, no, no, just,
"oh, please."
830
00:54:24,956 --> 00:54:27,610
- Yeah.
- Do the feminine thing.
831
00:54:27,611 --> 00:54:30,680
"you've assaulted my femininity.
832
00:54:30,683 --> 00:54:33,205
How dare you?"
833
00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:35,481
- thanks for coming.
834
00:54:35,482 --> 00:54:39,318
Just now, at 11:00 a.M. Bst,
wikileaks began publishing
835
00:54:39,322 --> 00:54:42,489
The syria files.
More than 2 million e-mails
836
00:54:42,490 --> 00:54:44,887
From syrian political figures,
ministries,
837
00:54:44,889 --> 00:54:47,028
And associated companies.
838
00:54:47,033 --> 00:54:49,238
This extraordinary data
set derives from
839
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:53,201
680 syrian-related
entities or domain names,
840
00:54:53,208 --> 00:54:54,646
Including those
of the ministries
841
00:54:54,647 --> 00:54:57,112
Of presidential affairs,
foreign affairs,
842
00:54:57,113 --> 00:54:58,966
Finance, information,
843
00:54:58,967 --> 00:55:00,597
Transport, and culture.
844
00:55:00,598 --> 00:55:03,188
- We'll take a very
limited amount of questions,
845
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:06,326
But I know julian is
very newsworthy at the moment.
846
00:55:06,327 --> 00:55:10,035
Can we just keep the questions
to do with the release?
847
00:55:10,036 --> 00:55:11,829
- Does this mean wikileaks
is back on top
848
00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:14,033
And able to continue
publishing new data
849
00:55:14,035 --> 00:55:17,104
After quite a hiatus
of not doing so?
850
00:55:17,107 --> 00:55:18,866
- Mm-hmm.
851
00:55:18,867 --> 00:55:21,034
- Can you give us
any headlines from this?
852
00:55:21,042 --> 00:55:22,346
Anything that we can
take away from this
853
00:55:22,354 --> 00:55:23,505
Before going through
the interface,
854
00:55:23,506 --> 00:55:25,194
And...
855
00:55:25,201 --> 00:55:27,282
Just the latest on mr. Assange
and what he's feeling
856
00:55:27,283 --> 00:55:29,199
There in the ecuadorian
embassy right now.
857
00:55:29,201 --> 00:55:30,671
- And mr. Assange?
858
00:55:30,672 --> 00:55:33,031
- As my colleague said, we--
859
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,028
- Can we just keep
the questions--
860
00:55:34,031 --> 00:55:37,033
- This isn't about mr. Assange.
861
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:41,230
And this is another--we did
the gi files earlier this year,
862
00:55:41,231 --> 00:55:45,259
And then this is the second
large release of this year...
863
00:55:45,263 --> 00:55:48,077
- That's good.
- That we are continuing.
864
00:55:48,078 --> 00:55:50,342
I don't know if there
a rebranding.
865
00:55:51,757 --> 00:55:54,481
- We're up to, like,
150 tweets a minute.
866
00:56:01,838 --> 00:56:08,589
867
00:56:23,947 --> 00:56:25,961
- Production journal.
868
00:56:27,915 --> 00:56:31,655
I had a nightmare
that hung with me for days.
869
00:56:31,659 --> 00:56:35,428
Julian was being detained
at a u.S. Military base...
870
00:56:37,897 --> 00:56:41,004
I'd been off the radar
since I started editing.
871
00:56:42,952 --> 00:56:46,155
I should check in with sarah
so they don't freak out.
872
00:56:47,463 --> 00:56:54,272
873
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:10,499
- See, my profile didn't really
take off until the sex case.
874
00:57:10,501 --> 00:57:12,227
- Oh, it was pretty--
- no, no, it was very,
875
00:57:12,228 --> 00:57:14,655
Very high among media circles
876
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:17,086
And intelligence circles
and so on,
877
00:57:17,091 --> 00:57:19,325
But it didn't really,
really take off
878
00:57:19,330 --> 00:57:24,442
As if I was a globally
recognized household name.
879
00:57:24,449 --> 00:57:26,624
That wasn't until
the sex case.
880
00:57:26,625 --> 00:57:31,132
So I was joking
to one of our people,
881
00:57:31,136 --> 00:57:33,658
Sex scandal every six months.
882
00:57:35,102 --> 00:57:36,771
- I think that was me
you were joking to...
883
00:57:36,772 --> 00:57:37,821
- Is the way to--
884
00:57:37,822 --> 00:57:39,165
- And I died
a little bit inside.
885
00:57:39,166 --> 00:57:41,244
- Is the way to--
886
00:57:41,245 --> 00:57:43,576
"that's gonna keep our profile,
isn't it, sarah?"
887
00:57:43,580 --> 00:57:46,525
Big grin, and I was like,
"please, please, please don't.
888
00:57:46,526 --> 00:57:49,658
I will kill you
on every level available."
889
00:57:49,659 --> 00:57:52,601
- Come on. It's a platform.
890
00:57:52,602 --> 00:57:54,587
- You have a platform.
891
00:58:01,816 --> 00:58:04,750
892
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,994
- Oh, they didn't move.
893
00:58:06,999 --> 00:58:08,984
- This is incredible.
894
00:58:13,524 --> 00:58:15,730
Those are the guys
I encouraged to let you go.
895
00:58:15,733 --> 00:58:18,514
So, you know,
please don't share this
896
00:58:18,516 --> 00:58:20,403
With anybody--
not a single soul--
897
00:58:20,404 --> 00:58:22,475
But, you know, let's talk
about it and figure it out.
898
00:58:22,483 --> 00:58:24,075
This is clearly a man
in the middle, right?
899
00:58:24,083 --> 00:58:26,325
We tried to connect to tor
project's web server;
900
00:58:26,326 --> 00:58:28,077
It says that
it's five hops upstream,
901
00:58:28,082 --> 00:58:31,409
And then it closes
the connection.
902
00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:33,328
I'm gonna give you
a whole bunch of stuff, which--
903
00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:35,727
- I have no idea.
So if you prepare me--
904
00:58:35,729 --> 00:58:37,868
- What the fuck is that?
You can't even--
905
00:58:37,873 --> 00:58:40,047
You don't even have
a bathrobe that fits you?
906
00:58:40,048 --> 00:58:41,170
Do we need to go
shopping for you?
907
00:58:41,171 --> 00:58:42,318
- Shh, shh, shh.
No.
908
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:43,726
if you prepare me--
909
00:58:43,727 --> 00:58:47,112
- Does that say "boss" on it?
- Yeah. If you--
910
00:58:47,118 --> 00:58:50,028
If you prepare me, um,
911
00:58:50,029 --> 00:58:55,947
A bootable usb
or external drive
912
00:58:55,949 --> 00:58:59,467
With an onion server
that goes to a shell,
913
00:58:59,468 --> 00:59:02,921
Then you can get
on this network,
914
00:59:02,924 --> 00:59:04,714
And you can do the tests.
915
00:59:04,715 --> 00:59:07,564
- Give me your computer,
and I will give you that.
916
00:59:07,564 --> 00:59:10,761
Okay.
- We should build that with--
917
00:59:10,762 --> 00:59:12,229
- No, we should build now.
- Please get in the shower.
918
00:59:12,233 --> 00:59:14,276
You have ten minutes.
Please.
919
00:59:19,110 --> 00:59:22,755
- It's like you're in college.
920
00:59:22,759 --> 00:59:24,542
Where do you sleep?
921
00:59:25,797 --> 00:59:28,069
- Other side of the bookshelf.
- What?
922
00:59:28,070 --> 00:59:29,479
- Yeah.
- This is your room?
923
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,716
- Yeah.
- Not mine, his.
924
00:59:31,717 --> 00:59:35,870
I get to go home at night.
925
00:59:35,876 --> 00:59:37,698
I want you to look like you
just took your shirt off,
926
00:59:37,699 --> 00:59:39,128
And you're at home,
you know?
927
00:59:39,139 --> 00:59:40,251
You should just be in your--
928
00:59:40,258 --> 00:59:41,793
In that--
like something like that,
929
00:59:41,794 --> 00:59:43,776
Like a dirty fucking t-shirt
like a rebel.
930
00:59:43,777 --> 00:59:45,311
Not in that suit.
- With a stain on it.
931
00:59:45,312 --> 00:59:47,844
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
932
00:59:50,622 --> 00:59:54,141
- What's your
favorite kind of food?
933
00:59:57,501 --> 01:00:02,108
- Well, I went to malaysia--
well, first of all,
934
01:00:02,109 --> 01:00:05,207
First of all,
let's not pretend for a moment
935
01:00:05,212 --> 01:00:07,771
That I'm a normal person.
936
01:00:07,772 --> 01:00:11,704
I am obsessed
with our political struggle.
937
01:00:11,708 --> 01:00:13,818
I'm not a normal person.
- Right.
938
01:00:13,820 --> 01:00:16,342
I just would really like
939
01:00:16,347 --> 01:00:18,265
For you to tell me
how you feel,
940
01:00:18,267 --> 01:00:20,693
Because I've been
trying to get that out of you.
941
01:00:20,698 --> 01:00:22,453
- But, okay,
why does it matter how I feel?
942
01:00:22,458 --> 01:00:25,143
I mean, who gives a damn?
943
01:00:25,145 --> 01:00:30,803
I don't--see,
I don't care how I feel.
944
01:00:30,808 --> 01:00:33,942
- Do you ever feel
like just fucking crying?
945
01:00:33,943 --> 01:00:35,382
- No.
- Never?
946
01:00:35,383 --> 01:00:37,942
- Never.
- Even when you're happy?
947
01:00:37,942 --> 01:00:39,698
You love your mom?
- Yeah.
948
01:00:39,702 --> 01:00:41,294
- How about your dad?
949
01:00:41,302 --> 01:00:45,621
- Uh, my dad is
much more abstract, so...
950
01:00:45,622 --> 01:00:47,597
- No.
Nothing like you, then.
951
01:00:47,605 --> 01:00:50,444
I'm just kidding.
952
01:00:50,452 --> 01:00:54,154
Who--who is after you,
mr. Assange?
953
01:00:54,164 --> 01:00:59,055
- Formally, there are
more than 12 United States
954
01:00:59,059 --> 01:01:01,936
Intelligence organizations,
investigative organizations,
955
01:01:01,939 --> 01:01:03,118
That are...
- What are they?
956
01:01:03,122 --> 01:01:05,453
- After us.
So, I mean, those include,
957
01:01:05,457 --> 01:01:08,113
Most importantly,
the fbi,
958
01:01:08,114 --> 01:01:09,744
The department of justice,
959
01:01:09,745 --> 01:01:12,175
The central intelligence agency,
960
01:01:12,176 --> 01:01:14,027
The department of defense,
961
01:01:14,032 --> 01:01:16,756
And the subsets
of the department of defense,
962
01:01:16,757 --> 01:01:20,750
Centcom,
sections of the u.S. Army,
963
01:01:20,751 --> 01:01:22,698
Including cciu,
964
01:01:22,703 --> 01:01:26,347
The u.S. Army's computer crimes
investigative unit.
965
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:29,131
Those include, in australia,
various--
966
01:01:29,133 --> 01:01:33,094
- It's a series of institutions.
- So there--
967
01:01:33,101 --> 01:01:34,664
And, of course,
the state department,
968
01:01:34,668 --> 01:01:36,586
The diplomatic security service.
969
01:01:36,588 --> 01:01:38,343
Here,
within the united kingdom,
970
01:01:38,348 --> 01:01:42,021
The home office,
the extradition squad,
971
01:01:42,027 --> 01:01:46,026
The serious organized crime--
972
01:01:46,027 --> 01:01:49,708
- So basically, a whole bunch
of fuckin' people in america.
973
01:01:49,709 --> 01:01:51,788
Now what about the rest
of the world?
974
01:01:51,789 --> 01:01:54,728
- So, in the rest of the world,
there's,
975
01:01:54,729 --> 01:01:56,580
The australian government
started up
976
01:01:56,585 --> 01:01:58,665
What you call the "whole
of government" investigation
977
01:01:58,666 --> 01:02:00,898
That included the internal
intelligence agency,
978
01:02:00,903 --> 01:02:03,780
The external intelligence
agency access
979
01:02:03,783 --> 01:02:06,534
Acis,
the attorney general--
980
01:02:06,535 --> 01:02:07,935
- Okay.
- The department of--
981
01:02:07,943 --> 01:02:10,014
- So we've got
the u.S., australia--
982
01:02:10,022 --> 01:02:10,981
- The australian
federal police...
983
01:02:10,982 --> 01:02:12,100
- Where else?
984
01:02:12,101 --> 01:02:13,060
- The swedish
prosecution authorities.
985
01:02:13,061 --> 01:02:14,500
- Swedish prosecution.
986
01:02:14,501 --> 01:02:17,891
- That includes
the foreign ministry run by--
987
01:02:17,892 --> 01:02:22,044
Built some aspects of the--
988
01:02:22,051 --> 01:02:24,957
It's become
a national issue now.
989
01:02:24,963 --> 01:02:27,456
- So a lot of people.
- Well, there's more.
990
01:02:27,458 --> 01:02:28,644
- A lot of systems.
991
01:02:28,645 --> 01:02:30,330
- I mean,
there's the scientologists.
992
01:02:30,337 --> 01:02:31,776
- There's a lot of friends of--
- the scientologists.
993
01:02:31,777 --> 01:02:33,215
- There's a lot
of friends of friends--
994
01:02:33,216 --> 01:02:34,521
- There's people in kenya.
There's people in--
995
01:02:34,528 --> 01:02:36,283
- A lot of friends of friends
doing things
996
01:02:36,288 --> 01:02:40,254
To put you in this position
that you are now in, correct?
997
01:02:40,255 --> 01:02:41,214
- Sure.
998
01:02:58,237 --> 01:03:01,047
- seven, six, five,
999
01:03:01,053 --> 01:03:04,252
Four, three, two, one.
1000
01:03:04,253 --> 01:03:07,609
Seven, six, five, four,
1001
01:03:07,612 --> 01:03:09,665
Three, two, one.
1002
01:03:15,642 --> 01:03:17,877
Good. Quicker.
Good.
1003
01:03:17,883 --> 01:03:21,047
Good. Quick.
1004
01:03:21,050 --> 01:03:22,997
That's good.
Go.
1005
01:03:32,728 --> 01:03:37,399
1006
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,886
- I've been contacted
by an anonymous source.
1007
01:03:40,887 --> 01:03:44,052
He claims to have documents
about illegal nsa spying.
1008
01:03:45,845 --> 01:03:50,449
I wonder if the fbi is trying
to entrap me, jake, or julian.
1009
01:03:53,268 --> 01:03:55,282
Julian would be
the likely target.
1010
01:04:00,723 --> 01:04:03,159
I haven't told him
about the source.
1011
01:04:05,041 --> 01:04:11,783
1012
01:04:27,984 --> 01:04:30,765
- Okay. Um, I need you to move
the camera and stop filming.
1013
01:04:32,557 --> 01:04:34,475
Give me that bag.
1014
01:04:34,478 --> 01:04:37,516
- 29-year-old edward snowden
1015
01:04:37,517 --> 01:04:39,788
Blew open those secrets
by leaking
1016
01:04:39,789 --> 01:04:42,628
Unprecedented details
of top secret
1017
01:04:42,637 --> 01:04:47,499
- Julian contacted me
after I published the video.
1018
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:51,269
He said snowden isn't safe
in hong kong.
1019
01:04:51,276 --> 01:04:54,028
I told him I can't assist
with ed's asylum.
1020
01:04:54,029 --> 01:04:57,513
The risks are too high.
1021
01:04:57,514 --> 01:04:59,432
When they investigate
this leak,
1022
01:04:59,434 --> 01:05:03,433
They'll create a narrative
to say it was all a conspiracy.
1023
01:05:03,434 --> 01:05:06,632
They won't understand
what really happened.
1024
01:05:06,633 --> 01:05:09,030
That we all kept each other
in the dark.
1025
01:05:09,032 --> 01:05:11,622
1026
01:05:11,624 --> 01:05:13,254
- Breaking news this hour.
1027
01:05:13,255 --> 01:05:15,302
Wikileaks claims
one of its legal advisers
1028
01:05:15,303 --> 01:05:17,412
Accompanying snowden after
the whistleblower organization
1029
01:05:17,414 --> 01:05:21,183
- Reportedly has snowden
scheduled to land
1030
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:23,741
In the russian capital
within minutes.
1031
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:28,382
- As you may have heard,
there is a cia agent
1032
01:05:28,389 --> 01:05:30,786
Who has revealed
a lot of information,
1033
01:05:30,788 --> 01:05:33,987
And he is now trapped in the--
1034
01:05:33,988 --> 01:05:35,970
The airport in moscow.
1035
01:05:35,971 --> 01:05:38,464
We've managed to get him
out of hong kong,
1036
01:05:38,466 --> 01:05:41,056
But when he landed
in the moscow airport,
1037
01:05:41,058 --> 01:05:45,661
The american government
had cancelled his passport
1038
01:05:45,664 --> 01:05:47,093
To try and grab him.
1039
01:05:47,103 --> 01:05:50,364
We are trying to arrange
a private jet
1040
01:05:50,367 --> 01:05:55,133
To take him from moscow
to ecuador
1041
01:05:55,134 --> 01:05:57,981
Or perhaps maybe venezuela,
1042
01:05:57,982 --> 01:06:00,060
Or maybe iceland--
1043
01:06:00,061 --> 01:06:02,296
Countries where
he would be safe,
1044
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:05,691
But there isn't much time.
This is the problem.
1045
01:06:05,692 --> 01:06:08,377
We need to raise
the money for the jet.
1046
01:06:10,521 --> 01:06:12,889
Well, there are quotes
coming back at somewhere
1047
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:16,600
Between $120,000 and $300,000
1048
01:06:16,601 --> 01:06:20,407
For the private flight.
1049
01:06:20,408 --> 01:06:23,544
And one of our people
is accompanying him.
1050
01:06:26,325 --> 01:06:28,243
- Today, we've had information
from the official
1051
01:06:28,246 --> 01:06:30,193
Russian news service,
interfax,
1052
01:06:30,198 --> 01:06:32,374
That at the moscow airport,
edward snowden applied
1053
01:06:32,375 --> 01:06:34,454
For asylum there with the help
of sarah harrison.
1054
01:06:34,455 --> 01:06:38,125
- The british national says
that her lawyers
1055
01:06:38,132 --> 01:06:40,851
Have advised her
not to return to the uk,
1056
01:06:40,852 --> 01:06:44,535
Because she risks arrest under
the terrorism act.
1057
01:06:47,890 --> 01:06:54,613
1058
01:07:02,929 --> 01:07:05,710
- Not guilty
on aiding the enemy,
1059
01:07:05,713 --> 01:07:09,519
But specification 1, charge 2,
on wanton publication guilty,
1060
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,239
Afghan war diary on espionage,
guilty;
1061
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,638
Spec 8 on the gitmo files,
guilty--
1062
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,203
Which is ten years max;
1063
01:07:16,207 --> 01:07:19,592
Cablegate, guilty--
ten years;
1064
01:07:19,598 --> 01:07:23,403
Reykjavik cable--
two years max, guilty.
1065
01:07:23,404 --> 01:07:25,483
God.
1066
01:07:25,484 --> 01:07:27,402
It goes on.
1067
01:07:27,404 --> 01:07:29,801
10, 20, 30...
1068
01:07:29,803 --> 01:07:32,074
90, 100.
1069
01:07:32,075 --> 01:07:34,089
102, 112...
1070
01:07:36,841 --> 01:07:39,622
Yeah, so far,
142 years,
1071
01:07:39,625 --> 01:07:41,773
Maximum possible sentence.
1072
01:07:44,839 --> 01:07:51,591
1073
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:07,392
- I spoke to julian
for the first time in months.
1074
01:08:07,398 --> 01:08:10,247
He is furious
and feels betrayed.
1075
01:08:12,196 --> 01:08:14,785
He wants me to give him
nsa documents,
1076
01:08:14,788 --> 01:08:16,572
And accused me
of dividing the community
1077
01:08:16,579 --> 01:08:20,089
By not publishing
with wikileaks.
1078
01:08:20,099 --> 01:08:22,075
I tell him
I can't be his source.
1079
01:08:24,033 --> 01:08:26,555
I don't tell him
that I don't trust him.
1080
01:08:29,024 --> 01:08:31,421
He's still yelling
when I hang up the phone.
1081
01:08:42,911 --> 01:08:49,634
1082
01:08:53,373 --> 01:08:55,099
- Testing, testing.
Okay.
1083
01:08:55,101 --> 01:08:59,132
Okay, so, um, there's a
filmmaker named laura poitras.
1084
01:08:59,133 --> 01:09:02,106
Laura poitras is known
through the defense community
1085
01:09:02,109 --> 01:09:05,302
As a documentary filmmaker
who is anti-u.S.
1086
01:09:05,308 --> 01:09:08,051
So she's known in the
wiki community, the anti-u.S.,
1087
01:09:08,060 --> 01:09:11,857
Anti-government-monitoring
community.
1088
01:09:11,867 --> 01:09:14,581
When we were pursuing snowden,
we went balls to the wall
1089
01:09:14,587 --> 01:09:16,186
To try to get this guy.
1090
01:09:16,187 --> 01:09:17,942
We were able to revoke his visa
1091
01:09:17,946 --> 01:09:20,505
The day before he boarded
the plane for moscow.
1092
01:09:20,506 --> 01:09:21,628
So they get the guy
on the plane
1093
01:09:21,629 --> 01:09:23,064
And he ends up in moscow.
1094
01:09:23,065 --> 01:09:24,532
And therefore, then,
at that point,
1095
01:09:24,536 --> 01:09:26,895
We realized, you know,
we lost him,
1096
01:09:26,904 --> 01:09:28,985
We're probably not
gonna get him back.
1097
01:09:28,986 --> 01:09:35,735
1098
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:44,658
- nachste station,
hauptbahnhof...
1099
01:09:47,541 --> 01:09:54,264
1100
01:10:07,538 --> 01:10:09,015
- Hi.
1101
01:10:12,018 --> 01:10:13,831
1102
01:10:13,841 --> 01:10:15,692
How's it going?
1103
01:10:20,591 --> 01:10:22,384
- Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
1104
01:10:40,909 --> 01:10:43,786
- It--it looks
almost certain now
1105
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:45,553
That it's gonna be
hillary versus trump.
1106
01:10:45,554 --> 01:10:47,017
- Yeah.
- Basically it will be--
1107
01:10:47,021 --> 01:10:49,553
Will be hillary versus trump
unless one of them
1108
01:10:49,554 --> 01:10:52,299
Has a stroke or is assassinated.
1109
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:54,218
- Yeah.
- Uh...
1110
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:57,701
So that's quite a bad outcome
in both directions.
1111
01:10:57,707 --> 01:10:59,941
We have--we have
a definite warmonger
1112
01:10:59,946 --> 01:11:03,303
In the case of hillary,
who's gunning for us.
1113
01:11:03,306 --> 01:11:05,740
- Yeah.
- Uh, and in the case of trump,
1114
01:11:05,741 --> 01:11:08,259
We have someone
who's extremely unpredictable.
1115
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,506
- Yes.
- I've discovered quite a lot
1116
01:11:10,507 --> 01:11:12,901
Of interesting stuff
in relation to hillary.
1117
01:11:12,903 --> 01:11:14,693
- Mm-hmm.
1118
01:11:14,694 --> 01:11:16,574
- Unfortunately for trump,
there's--
1119
01:11:16,582 --> 01:11:21,569
There's not so many known
interesting documents.
1120
01:11:21,572 --> 01:11:23,462
And you'd think with his
business ventures all over,
1121
01:11:23,463 --> 01:11:26,174
There must be
a whole bunch of stuff.
1122
01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:27,618
- Mm-hmm.
1123
01:11:27,619 --> 01:11:34,332
1124
01:12:18,977 --> 01:12:21,432
- After something like this
happens in your community,
1125
01:12:21,441 --> 01:12:23,801
It kind of tears it apart.
1126
01:12:23,809 --> 01:12:25,526
You know, tor is just
kind of the epicenter
1127
01:12:25,537 --> 01:12:28,318
Of this particular instance,
but I think there is
1128
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,454
Kind of, you know,
a degree of sickness
1129
01:12:31,455 --> 01:12:34,332
Within the community that allows
these things to happen.
1130
01:12:34,335 --> 01:12:36,800
And so I think
we are still uncovering
1131
01:12:36,801 --> 01:12:39,647
And--and trying to make sense
of what actually happened.
1132
01:12:39,648 --> 01:12:42,205
Like, how did it persist?
1133
01:12:42,206 --> 01:12:44,248
What--you know, what were
the mechanisms by which
1134
01:12:44,253 --> 01:12:47,196
It was covered up or hidden
or enabled?
1135
01:12:47,196 --> 01:12:48,923
- I have some comments,
but I would like
1136
01:12:48,924 --> 01:12:51,130
To actually not be on camera.
1137
01:12:51,131 --> 01:12:54,010
I'm a programmer,
and all I would like to do
1138
01:12:54,011 --> 01:12:56,409
Is to be able to contribute
to radical projects,
1139
01:12:56,411 --> 01:12:58,166
But I knew that I wouldn't work
with tor ever
1140
01:12:58,171 --> 01:13:00,089
Because of jacob appelbaum.
1141
01:13:00,091 --> 01:13:02,229
And I was never
directly affected by him,
1142
01:13:02,234 --> 01:13:04,408
But I just knew so many stories.
1143
01:13:04,409 --> 01:13:11,123
1144
01:13:11,128 --> 01:13:13,679
- Jake often asked me,
what decision would I make
1145
01:13:13,688 --> 01:13:15,831
In the prisoner's dilemma?
1146
01:13:15,832 --> 01:13:18,805
Would I stay silent,
or betray him?
1147
01:13:18,807 --> 01:13:22,164
1148
01:13:22,167 --> 01:13:26,866
Jake sent me a text after
the website went live.
1149
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:31,156
We had been involved briefly
in 2014.
1150
01:13:31,157 --> 01:13:33,267
After I ended things,
he was abusive
1151
01:13:33,269 --> 01:13:36,403
To someone close to me.
1152
01:13:36,404 --> 01:13:41,391
Jake was now worried
about what I would say.
1153
01:13:41,396 --> 01:13:44,781
I asked to interview him
for the film.
1154
01:13:44,787 --> 01:13:50,321
He said no, he wants the film
to have a different ending.
1155
01:13:50,321 --> 01:13:52,719
So do I.
1156
01:13:52,721 --> 01:13:54,677
1157
01:14:02,991 --> 01:14:05,744
1158
01:14:07,952 --> 01:14:14,761
1159
01:15:01,517 --> 01:15:04,873
- Wikileaks published a trove
of hacked stolen dnc emails
1160
01:15:04,877 --> 01:15:07,791
And voice messages indicating
efforts by party officials
1161
01:15:07,792 --> 01:15:09,515
To hinder
bernie sanders' campaign
1162
01:15:09,516 --> 01:15:11,751
And assist
hillary clinton's campaign.
1163
01:15:11,755 --> 01:15:13,674
U.S. Government sources
strongly suspect
1164
01:15:13,675 --> 01:15:15,114
That russian
intelligence agents
1165
01:15:15,115 --> 01:15:17,033
Were behind the data breach.
1166
01:15:17,035 --> 01:15:19,653
- The grand total of emails
pushed out there by wikileaks
1167
01:15:19,659 --> 01:15:21,989
Is now well over 10,000.
1168
01:15:21,994 --> 01:15:23,749
Progressives concerned
that she was taking
1169
01:15:23,754 --> 01:15:26,631
All of this money
from goldman sachs and others.
1170
01:15:29,194 --> 01:15:31,620
- Assange has given a series
of interviews
1171
01:15:31,625 --> 01:15:34,186
In which he says that there's
no proof whatsoever
1172
01:15:34,186 --> 01:15:36,582
That the emails
that he's already released
1173
01:15:36,584 --> 01:15:38,662
Came from russian sources.
1174
01:15:38,663 --> 01:15:40,936
Of course,
wikileaks likes to create
1175
01:15:40,937 --> 01:15:44,550
Maximum ambiguity about where
its information comes from.
1176
01:15:44,551 --> 01:15:47,744
It's very hot
on the protection of sources.
1177
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:49,342
- Does that not trouble you
at all,
1178
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:51,939
If a foreign government
is trying to meddle
1179
01:15:51,941 --> 01:15:54,780
In the affairs
of another foreign government?
1180
01:15:54,789 --> 01:15:57,666
- Well, it's an interesting
speculative question, uh,
1181
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:59,903
That's for the press
and others to perhaps--
1182
01:15:59,908 --> 01:16:01,414
- But does that not--
that doesn't bother you?
1183
01:16:01,415 --> 01:16:03,809
That is not part
of the wikileaks, uh, credo?
1184
01:16:03,811 --> 01:16:06,784
- Well, it's a--it's a meta--
it's a metastory.
1185
01:16:06,787 --> 01:16:10,297
If you're asking
would we accept information
1186
01:16:10,307 --> 01:16:12,925
From u.S. Intelligence
that we had verified
1187
01:16:12,931 --> 01:16:16,767
To be completely accurate
and would we publish that
1188
01:16:16,771 --> 01:16:19,418
And would we protect our sources
in u.S. Intelligence,
1189
01:16:19,426 --> 01:16:22,140
Uh, the an--the answer is,
"yes, of course we would."
1190
01:16:25,026 --> 01:16:31,778
1191
01:16:35,136 --> 01:16:37,659
- Donald trump will be
1192
01:16:37,664 --> 01:16:41,247
The 45th president
of the United States.
1193
01:16:41,248 --> 01:16:48,029
1194
01:16:52,254 --> 01:16:54,297
- Assange is obviously back
in the headlines
1195
01:16:54,303 --> 01:16:56,766
After wikileaks released
thousands of emails
1196
01:16:56,767 --> 01:16:58,330
From the democratic party
in the lead-up
1197
01:16:58,334 --> 01:17:00,060
To the presidential election.
1198
01:17:00,061 --> 01:17:02,458
The department of homeland
security says the emails come
1199
01:17:02,460 --> 01:17:05,079
From russian hackers
backed by the highest levels
1200
01:17:05,084 --> 01:17:06,043
Of the kremlin.
1201
01:17:08,924 --> 01:17:15,705
1202
01:17:31,449 --> 01:17:32,600
- What are you expecting?
1203
01:17:32,601 --> 01:17:33,809
What do you hope
to achieve today?
1204
01:17:33,816 --> 01:17:35,159
What do you hope
to achieve today?
1205
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,857
- Sorry.
Could I get through?
1206
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:43,893
- The swedish prosecuting
office will make a decision
1207
01:17:43,895 --> 01:17:46,614
As to whether to carry
the investigation
1208
01:17:46,615 --> 01:17:49,549
Or possibly bring charges
against julian assange
1209
01:17:49,558 --> 01:17:53,682
Or perhaps drop
the investigation altogether.
1210
01:17:53,686 --> 01:17:55,632
1211
01:17:55,637 --> 01:17:56,721
- Coming through.
1212
01:18:01,011 --> 01:18:07,724
1213
01:18:27,762 --> 01:18:34,581
1214
01:18:43,761 --> 01:18:45,238
- I have been authorized
1215
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:48,848
By the department of justice
to confirm that the fbi,
1216
01:18:48,849 --> 01:18:51,409
As part of our
counterintelligence mission,
1217
01:18:51,410 --> 01:18:54,189
Is investigating
the russian government's efforts
1218
01:18:54,191 --> 01:18:58,286
To interfere in the 2016
presidential election.
1219
01:18:58,286 --> 01:19:01,997
And that includes investigating
the nature of any links
1220
01:19:01,998 --> 01:19:05,192
Between individuals associated
with the trump campaign
1221
01:19:05,197 --> 01:19:06,924
And the russian government,
1222
01:19:06,925 --> 01:19:09,476
And whether there was
any coordination
1223
01:19:09,484 --> 01:19:12,074
Between the campaign
and russia's efforts.
1224
01:19:12,076 --> 01:19:13,639
- Thank you, mr. Chairman.
1225
01:19:13,643 --> 01:19:15,407
I just wanted to follow up
with a few questions.
1226
01:19:15,408 --> 01:19:18,021
Um, director comey,
are you aware that roger stone
1227
01:19:18,026 --> 01:19:20,202
Played a role
on the trump campaign?
1228
01:19:20,203 --> 01:19:21,640
- I'm not gonna talk about any
1229
01:19:21,641 --> 01:19:24,039
Particular person here today,
mr. Schiff.
1230
01:19:24,041 --> 01:19:25,707
- I'm gonna continue to ask
these questions
1231
01:19:25,708 --> 01:19:27,881
Because I want to make sure
you are aware of these facts,
1232
01:19:27,882 --> 01:19:30,143
Whether you're able to comment
on them or not.
1233
01:19:30,152 --> 01:19:32,031
Are you aware
that mr. Stone also claimed
1234
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:35,748
That he was in touch with
an intermediary of mr. Assange?
1235
01:19:35,749 --> 01:19:38,435
- Same answer.
1236
01:19:38,437 --> 01:19:40,355
- This question I think
you can answer.
1237
01:19:40,357 --> 01:19:42,428
Do you know whether the russian
intelligence services
1238
01:19:42,436 --> 01:19:44,670
Dealt directly with wikileaks
1239
01:19:44,675 --> 01:19:47,102
Or whether they too used
an intermediary?
1240
01:19:47,106 --> 01:19:49,216
- We assessed they used
some kind of cutout.
1241
01:19:49,218 --> 01:19:51,865
They didn't deal directly
with wikileaks,
1242
01:19:51,874 --> 01:19:54,751
In contrast to guccifer 2.0.
1243
01:19:54,754 --> 01:19:57,180
- There is evidence,
is there not,
1244
01:19:57,185 --> 01:19:59,583
Of a break-in
of the democratic headquarters
1245
01:19:59,584 --> 01:20:02,749
By a foreign power
using cyber means?
1246
01:20:02,752 --> 01:20:04,383
- Yes, there was.
- And there was an effort
1247
01:20:04,384 --> 01:20:06,781
By the russians
to cover up their break-in
1248
01:20:06,783 --> 01:20:10,466
By using cutouts like wikileaks
to publish the stolen material.
1249
01:20:10,467 --> 01:20:12,668
Isn't that right?
1250
01:20:12,670 --> 01:20:16,506
- Certainly to cover up that
they were the ones releasing it.
1251
01:20:26,172 --> 01:20:32,952
1252
01:20:42,619 --> 01:20:45,045
1253
01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:48,982
- A woman who--who knows that--
that I'm doing this, they--
1254
01:20:48,985 --> 01:20:50,289
They want to know why.
1255
01:20:50,297 --> 01:20:52,886
The motivation.
1256
01:20:52,888 --> 01:20:54,422
- So if we actually--
if I don't try
1257
01:20:54,423 --> 01:20:57,042
And make an excuse,
but rather--
1258
01:20:57,047 --> 01:20:58,486
- Or a sound bite or anything.
1259
01:20:58,487 --> 01:21:00,347
But, really, why?
- If I don't--
1260
01:21:00,348 --> 01:21:02,136
Maybe close that door.
1261
01:21:07,861 --> 01:21:11,602
Um, I don't feel there's even
a choice in the matter.
1262
01:21:11,605 --> 01:21:14,961
I was in a--
a lucky position that--
1263
01:21:14,964 --> 01:21:18,445
That the--that the new thing
that is--it is--
1264
01:21:18,451 --> 01:21:23,889
That element which is really
causing the world to globalize,
1265
01:21:23,890 --> 01:21:28,973
That element which is producing
most of the changes that we see,
1266
01:21:28,977 --> 01:21:34,031
Including the bad ones, um,
I was an expert in.
1267
01:21:34,033 --> 01:21:38,991
If you...
Uh, see the global problems
1268
01:21:38,992 --> 01:21:41,226
That we have
as a global civilization,
1269
01:21:41,231 --> 01:21:45,070
If you actually see them
and understand them, um,
1270
01:21:45,071 --> 01:21:50,221
Then acting locally
is completely inconsequential,
1271
01:21:50,222 --> 01:21:53,387
Relative to what you understand.
1272
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:59,148
So that the only way
to then act...
1273
01:21:59,149 --> 01:22:04,011
To make the world
the way you want it,
1274
01:22:04,012 --> 01:22:07,052
To remove those features
which you do not like,
1275
01:22:07,053 --> 01:22:09,890
Is to act globally.
1276
01:22:09,899 --> 01:22:11,462
'cause I think--
'cause the features
1277
01:22:11,466 --> 01:22:14,343
That you are concerned about
1278
01:22:14,346 --> 01:22:17,544
Are a global phenomenon.
1279
01:22:17,545 --> 01:22:20,259
- I--I understand what you're
saying on a tactical level,
1280
01:22:20,265 --> 01:22:22,337
But, like,
really the motivation.
1281
01:22:22,344 --> 01:22:24,329
- That is the motiva--
it's--it's--I mean, it--
1282
01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:26,342
- But isn't it also something
about power?
1283
01:22:26,343 --> 01:22:29,259
- Um...
1284
01:22:31,302 --> 01:22:33,736
If--you're--
let's say your perception
1285
01:22:33,737 --> 01:22:35,777
Was limited to your garden, hmm?
1286
01:22:35,781 --> 01:22:38,020
And so you spend
your time going,
1287
01:22:38,021 --> 01:22:41,923
"well, I--I don't like, um--
1288
01:22:41,924 --> 01:22:44,418
"I don't like to have weeds,
1289
01:22:44,419 --> 01:22:46,021
"I like to have flowers
in my garden,
1290
01:22:46,022 --> 01:22:49,213
I like my garden to be healthy,"
1291
01:22:49,219 --> 01:22:51,137
Then you spend your time
doing that.
1292
01:22:51,139 --> 01:22:53,536
If--if your, uh,
1293
01:22:53,538 --> 01:22:57,086
Perception has been globalized,
1294
01:22:57,089 --> 01:23:01,213
Then, um...
1295
01:23:01,216 --> 01:23:03,930
That this perception
of your garden--
1296
01:23:03,936 --> 01:23:06,525
I mean, perhaps I have
a god complex, right?
1297
01:23:06,527 --> 01:23:10,172
But the perception
of your garden,
1298
01:23:10,174 --> 01:23:15,286
My perception of what
my environment is,
1299
01:23:15,293 --> 01:23:20,411
Um, the area that I care about
is the--the whole world.
1300
01:23:20,412 --> 01:23:27,135
1301
01:23:36,251 --> 01:23:39,185
- Julian texted me after
I showed him a cut of the film.
1302
01:23:41,529 --> 01:23:45,366
He said, "laura...
1303
01:23:45,369 --> 01:23:47,516
"I ask that you cease
putting into press releases
1304
01:23:47,517 --> 01:23:49,594
And interviews
that we have fallen out."
1305
01:23:52,887 --> 01:23:55,131
"after the screening,
we will continue
1306
01:23:55,132 --> 01:23:57,908
"to find a path
of mutual interest.
1307
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:59,508
"however, presently,
1308
01:23:59,509 --> 01:24:02,070
"the film is a severe threat
to my freedom,
1309
01:24:02,071 --> 01:24:06,481
And I'm forced
to treat it accordingly."
1310
01:24:09,044 --> 01:24:12,564
1311
01:24:57,841 --> 01:24:59,920
- Efforts are now
well under way to prosecute
1312
01:24:59,921 --> 01:25:01,743
The founder of the group
that candidate trump said
1313
01:25:01,744 --> 01:25:03,183
He loves so much, wikileaks.
1314
01:25:03,184 --> 01:25:04,786
The justice department
preparing charges
1315
01:25:04,786 --> 01:25:06,510
Against julian assange.
1316
01:25:06,511 --> 01:25:08,554
- The attorney general said
he is focused
1317
01:25:08,558 --> 01:25:11,109
On prosecuting leaks,
and the justice department
1318
01:25:11,118 --> 01:25:13,353
Is taking steps to do that.
1319
01:25:13,357 --> 01:25:17,547
- We are going to step up
our efforts on all leaks.
1320
01:25:17,548 --> 01:25:19,435
Whenever a case can be made,
1321
01:25:19,436 --> 01:25:22,505
We will seek
to put some people in jail.
1322
01:25:22,508 --> 01:25:29,326
1323
01:25:30,305 --> 01:25:36,934
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