1 00:00:09,487 --> 00:00:11,054 Jane? kut 2 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,279 Hi Lisbon What are you doing? 3 00:00:18,366 --> 00:00:19,802 just working 4 00:00:19,889 --> 00:00:21,847 Okay well out here in the real world 5 00:00:21,934 --> 00:00:23,458 we have a case We have to go 6 00:00:23,545 --> 00:00:24,937 Yeah Okay 7 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:26,200 kut 8 00:00:43,391 --> 00:00:45,697 Let's go 9 00:00:45,784 --> 00:00:47,743 You think you're so mysterious 10 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:49,440 I know what you're doing in there 11 00:00:49,527 --> 00:00:50,702 Oh really? What? 12 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:52,617 You're making a list trying to figure out 13 00:00:52,704 --> 00:00:54,010 who it is that you've met that's Red John. 14 00:00:54,097 --> 00:00:55,751 Not just met, shaken hands with. 15 00:00:55,838 --> 00:00:57,144 How many people are on that list, anyway? 16 00:00:57,231 --> 00:00:59,668 A lot. 17 00:00:59,755 --> 00:01:02,323 Got a male shooting victim. Looks to be early 20s. 18 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:04,107 Happened about an hour ago. No ID. 19 00:01:04,194 --> 00:01:05,587 - Who called it in? - Bartender. 20 00:01:05,674 --> 00:01:06,892 We're getting a statement. 21 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:08,198 What do the witnesses have to say? 22 00:01:08,285 --> 00:01:10,070 'Uh, not sure. Cho's talking to them.' 23 00:01:10,157 --> 00:01:11,419 Has thecoroner taken a look at him yet? 24 00:01:11,506 --> 00:01:12,507 Yeah, he's on his way. 25 00:01:12,594 --> 00:01:14,770 What... what's that on his face? 26 00:01:14,857 --> 00:01:16,076 - What? - Oh, boy. 27 00:01:18,774 --> 00:01:20,341 Happy anniversary! 28 00:01:21,864 --> 00:01:25,650 - What's goin' on? - Come in, everybody! 29 00:01:25,737 --> 00:01:27,348 Ladies and gentlemen. 30 00:01:27,435 --> 00:01:29,306 Ten years ago, Teresa Lisbon 31 00:01:29,393 --> 00:01:31,091 left the San Francisco Police Department 32 00:01:31,178 --> 00:01:33,658 'to join the California Bureau of Investigation.' 33 00:01:33,745 --> 00:01:35,312 Today she is without doubt 34 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:37,923 the rootinest, tootinest, sharp-shootinest cop 35 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,664 in the whole state of California. 36 00:01:39,751 --> 00:01:40,839 Happy anniversary, boss. 37 00:01:40,926 --> 00:01:42,189 Hear, hear. 38 00:01:44,060 --> 00:01:45,757 So if we could start the music, please? 39 00:01:45,844 --> 00:01:47,498 - I had no idea. - Let's party! 40 00:01:47,585 --> 00:01:48,760 Congratulations, Lisbon. 41 00:01:48,847 --> 00:01:50,197 Thank you, Ron. 42 00:01:50,284 --> 00:01:51,415 Why did you do this? 43 00:01:51,502 --> 00:01:52,808 It was Rigsby's idea. 44 00:01:54,462 --> 00:01:55,419 Yeah? 45 00:01:55,506 --> 00:01:57,291 Is he taking his clothes off? 46 00:01:57,378 --> 00:01:58,814 - He is. - Oh, my God. 47 00:01:58,901 --> 00:02:00,511 Uh-oh. Yeah. 48 00:02:00,598 --> 00:02:02,513 - Congratulations. - Thank you, Ray. 49 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,167 Haffner. Good to see you. 50 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:05,560 You know, I really enjoyed when we worked together. 51 00:02:05,647 --> 00:02:06,735 We should do it again sometime. 52 00:02:06,822 --> 00:02:07,866 Oh, yeah, yeah, you mean 53 00:02:07,953 --> 00:02:09,041 when you almost got me fired? 54 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:10,086 Yeah, that was a lot of fun. 55 00:02:10,173 --> 00:02:11,783 Hey, um, can we grab lunch? 56 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:13,089 There's just something I wanna discuss with you. 57 00:02:13,176 --> 00:02:14,482 Yeah, sure. 58 00:02:14,569 --> 00:02:16,614 - Alright. I'll call you. - Jane. 59 00:02:16,701 --> 00:02:18,834 How come he doesn't like me? You got lunch here, you got.. 60 00:02:18,921 --> 00:02:20,705 - Oh, look out. - What? 61 00:02:20,792 --> 00:02:22,577 Okay, that's enough. Shoo. Okay? 62 00:02:22,664 --> 00:02:24,405 It was fun. But not my butt. 63 00:02:26,189 --> 00:02:29,105 That was the office. Homicide out in Placer County. 64 00:02:29,192 --> 00:02:30,324 The team that was supposed to cover for us today 65 00:02:30,411 --> 00:02:32,064 can't make it out there. 66 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:34,632 Well, I don't think we can drag Lisbon away from this. 67 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:37,026 - Can't we cover it, Cho? - Yeah. Yeah, we can. 68 00:02:37,113 --> 00:02:40,638 Okay. Where did you find that guy? 69 00:02:40,725 --> 00:02:42,510 That was fun. But we're done, okay? 70 00:02:42,597 --> 00:02:43,772 Oh, yeah. Those are nice moves. 71 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,695 CBI. I'm Agent Cho, this is Patrick Jane. 72 00:02:53,782 --> 00:02:55,349 Rick Anaya. Chief here in Elliston. 73 00:02:55,436 --> 00:02:57,351 Good to meet you. This way. 74 00:02:57,438 --> 00:02:59,004 The bodies were found in a secret basement 75 00:02:59,091 --> 00:03:00,876 under the barn floor. 76 00:03:00,963 --> 00:03:02,443 And what's with the secret basement? 77 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:03,618 Yeah, probably built in the '20s 78 00:03:03,705 --> 00:03:05,750 to hide booze during prohibition. 79 00:03:05,837 --> 00:03:07,274 My dad, who was chief before me 80 00:03:07,361 --> 00:03:09,450 said there used to be stills all through these parts. 81 00:03:09,537 --> 00:03:11,016 Kids were playing in the barn 82 00:03:11,103 --> 00:03:15,107 found a trap door, went in, found some bones. 83 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:17,371 If you boys are still in town for dinner 84 00:03:17,458 --> 00:03:19,286 Ella's Diner on Allen street.. 85 00:03:19,373 --> 00:03:21,418 ...best damn chili in town. 86 00:03:25,335 --> 00:03:27,163 What's the coroner say? 87 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:29,905 Well, right now he's guessing they died 20, 25 years ago. 88 00:03:29,992 --> 00:03:31,211 Whoa. 89 00:03:31,298 --> 00:03:32,864 'He confirms three bodies in all.' 90 00:03:37,086 --> 00:03:38,653 What is it? 91 00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:40,655 Uh, looks like a shotgun pellet. 92 00:03:40,742 --> 00:03:42,961 Yeah, we found some of those under the bones. 93 00:03:43,048 --> 00:03:46,138 Figured they fell out the body as they decomposed. 94 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:47,531 'No shell casings in here, though.' 95 00:03:47,618 --> 00:03:49,881 Must have shot them somewhere else 96 00:03:49,968 --> 00:03:51,318 brought the bodies here. 97 00:03:53,015 --> 00:03:56,192 - 'Anything else?' - Yeah, a couple of things. 98 00:03:56,279 --> 00:04:00,283 High school class ring. Guess it fell off one of them. 99 00:04:00,370 --> 00:04:01,632 We'll check that out. Is that it? 100 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:04,635 No, this, .38. 101 00:04:04,722 --> 00:04:06,333 And one round's been fired. 102 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:09,771 Not in here, as far as we can tell. 103 00:04:09,858 --> 00:04:12,121 You see that wire? 104 00:04:12,208 --> 00:04:13,688 On the wrist? 105 00:04:13,775 --> 00:04:15,167 'See, I'm guessing at least two of the victims' 106 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:16,473 'were tied up with it.' 107 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,909 This is very depressing. 108 00:04:17,996 --> 00:04:19,737 I'm gonna wait outside. 109 00:05:27,979 --> 00:05:30,025 The Red John symbol was on the side of the barn? 110 00:05:30,112 --> 00:05:32,070 - That's weird. - Yeah. 111 00:05:32,157 --> 00:05:34,334 Must have been there 15, 20 years. 112 00:05:34,421 --> 00:05:36,945 Wonder what it means. What did Jane say? 113 00:05:37,032 --> 00:05:38,642 Nothing. Wouldn't talk about it. 114 00:05:38,729 --> 00:05:42,603 Okay. Everybody feel as bad as I do? 115 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:44,996 - Not if you feel like you look. - I feel fine. 116 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:46,824 What time did you get back to the party last night? 117 00:05:46,911 --> 00:05:48,826 A little past 10:00. Not that you noticed. 118 00:05:48,913 --> 00:05:51,873 Yeah. That, uh, Tequila was a killer. 119 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:57,661 Did I, uh...do anything embarrassing? 120 00:05:57,748 --> 00:05:59,533 - Yes. - Really? What? 121 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:01,665 Good morning. Thank you for the party. 122 00:06:01,752 --> 00:06:03,928 - It was very thoughtful. - You're welcome. 123 00:06:04,015 --> 00:06:07,454 But I am never gonna forgive you for that stripper. 124 00:06:07,541 --> 00:06:08,977 Where are we with the three victims? 125 00:06:09,064 --> 00:06:12,415 Coroner says they probably died 25 years ago, so 1988. 126 00:06:12,502 --> 00:06:13,982 Talked to the ring manufacturer. 127 00:06:14,069 --> 00:06:16,680 They traced it back to a Lester Bradovich 128 00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:18,203 who went to a high school in Dixon. 129 00:06:18,290 --> 00:06:19,379 Checking him out now. 130 00:06:19,466 --> 00:06:20,380 The gun that was found near 131 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:21,772 the bodies isn't registered. 132 00:06:21,859 --> 00:06:23,600 No sign of the bullet that was fired, either. 133 00:06:23,687 --> 00:06:25,559 But I've got techs sweeping the area around the barn. 134 00:06:25,646 --> 00:06:27,082 Nice work. Let me know what you find. 135 00:06:28,953 --> 00:06:30,172 She was kidding, right? 136 00:06:30,259 --> 00:06:31,521 - About never forgiving? - Nope. 137 00:06:35,525 --> 00:06:36,744 How was the rest of the party? 138 00:06:36,831 --> 00:06:39,181 Torture. That can never, ever happen again. 139 00:06:39,268 --> 00:06:40,617 Ten years, huh? 140 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:42,053 More, actually. 141 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:44,621 Every year with you counts as two. 142 00:06:44,708 --> 00:06:46,318 Are those from the crime scene? 143 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:47,711 Yes. 144 00:06:53,717 --> 00:06:55,110 This can't be a coincidence, can it? 145 00:06:55,197 --> 00:06:57,329 There's no such thing. 146 00:06:57,417 --> 00:07:00,115 These murders happened ten years before Red John was even active. 147 00:07:00,202 --> 00:07:01,725 A shotgun was never his weapon of choice. 148 00:07:01,812 --> 00:07:03,379 True. 149 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:05,468 'Well, what happened? How'd it get there?' 150 00:07:06,513 --> 00:07:09,341 Hmm. 151 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:12,606 They're excellent questions. You know where to find me. 152 00:07:16,566 --> 00:07:18,350 Got a hit on Lester Bradovich. 153 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:19,700 He had a couple of arrests in the mid-'80s. 154 00:07:19,787 --> 00:07:22,790 Small stuff. Possession, drunk and disorderly. 155 00:07:22,877 --> 00:07:24,444 No record of him after 1987. 156 00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:26,141 - Family? - A brother in town. 157 00:07:26,228 --> 00:07:27,795 But here's the weird thing, nobody ever filed 158 00:07:27,882 --> 00:07:29,361 a missing persons report on him. 159 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:30,711 That's odd, you and Rigsby go 160 00:07:30,798 --> 00:07:31,929 and see what the brother has to say. 161 00:07:32,016 --> 00:07:33,191 Alright. 162 00:07:35,193 --> 00:07:39,067 So what didI do last night? Come on. I'm dying here. 163 00:07:39,154 --> 00:07:41,809 You got up on the table and sang "Bohemian Rhapsody." 164 00:07:41,896 --> 00:07:43,898 Oh. I do a pretty good Freddie Mercury. 165 00:07:43,985 --> 00:07:45,421 That's not so embarrassing. 166 00:07:45,508 --> 00:07:47,162 Maybe not for you. 167 00:07:47,249 --> 00:07:48,424 Gordon Bradovich? 168 00:07:48,511 --> 00:07:50,426 Yeah? 169 00:07:50,513 --> 00:07:52,384 We need to talk to you about your brother Lester. 170 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:54,996 Lester? Are you serious? 171 00:07:57,259 --> 00:07:59,609 You're-you're positive it's Lester? 172 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:01,959 We're waiting for final confirmation from the coroner. 173 00:08:02,046 --> 00:08:04,005 But we're pretty sure, yeah. 174 00:08:04,092 --> 00:08:06,703 This is just unreal. 175 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:09,184 When was your last contact with your brother? 176 00:08:09,271 --> 00:08:12,013 Oh, God, uh, sometime in the late '80s. 177 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:13,754 So you haven't seen him in almost 25 years 178 00:08:13,841 --> 00:08:15,233 but you never reported him missing. Why is that? 179 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,279 We didn't think he was missing. 180 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:18,541 I don't understand. 181 00:08:18,628 --> 00:08:21,762 Lester had been in a lot of trouble. 182 00:08:21,849 --> 00:08:25,330 Drugs and scrapes with the law, and.. 183 00:08:25,417 --> 00:08:27,245 ...then, uh when he was about 24 184 00:08:27,332 --> 00:08:30,031 he-he joined with this, uh, this group. 185 00:08:30,118 --> 00:08:31,511 A little weird, but, uh 186 00:08:31,598 --> 00:08:33,687 very strict, very disciplined. 187 00:08:33,774 --> 00:08:34,949 Seemed to straighten him out. 188 00:08:35,036 --> 00:08:36,211 He, uh, he got calmer 189 00:08:36,298 --> 00:08:37,778 stopped getting into trouble. 190 00:08:37,865 --> 00:08:39,649 And what does that have to do with his disappearance? 191 00:08:39,736 --> 00:08:41,303 Well, after about a year with them 192 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:43,392 he, uh, he came to my dad and me 193 00:08:43,479 --> 00:08:46,830 and he said that he had to break off all contact 194 00:08:46,917 --> 00:08:49,964 with his biological family. 195 00:08:50,051 --> 00:08:52,053 Yeah, his group said that this was the only way 196 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:54,751 his true identity could emerge. 197 00:08:54,838 --> 00:08:56,623 We were pretty hurt. 198 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:59,016 But Lester, he was totally matter-of-fact about it. 199 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:01,236 Had to be done. 200 00:09:01,323 --> 00:09:05,588 That was...the last time I talked to him. 201 00:09:05,675 --> 00:09:07,677 Now you're telling me he's been dead all this time? 202 00:09:07,764 --> 00:09:10,375 I just, I-I don't even know what to think. 203 00:09:10,462 --> 00:09:11,899 What's the name of the group? 204 00:09:11,986 --> 00:09:13,727 Vision. 205 00:09:13,814 --> 00:09:15,076 No. 206 00:09:15,163 --> 00:09:18,383 Visualize. 207 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:19,602 You've heardof it? 208 00:09:24,259 --> 00:09:25,695 - Hello? - Teresa. 209 00:09:25,782 --> 00:09:27,218 Ray Haffner. I've been looking for you. 210 00:09:27,305 --> 00:09:29,264 Hey, Ray. What's up? 211 00:09:29,351 --> 00:09:31,614 I was wondering if we could snag that lunch today 212 00:09:31,701 --> 00:09:33,660 at one o'clock at the State House Cafe. 213 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:36,401 Sure. You wanna tell me what this is about? I'm intrigued. 214 00:09:36,488 --> 00:09:38,795 Then my plan is working. I'll see you then. 215 00:09:38,882 --> 00:09:40,449 - What does he want? - Lunch. 216 00:09:40,536 --> 00:09:41,711 - Mm. - Mm. 217 00:09:41,798 --> 00:09:43,452 Mr. Jane. Agent Lisbon. 218 00:09:43,539 --> 00:09:45,497 Good to see you again. Jason Cooper. 219 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,804 Brother Cooper. Ah. 220 00:09:47,891 --> 00:09:51,025 Last time, uh, I saw you was, uh, when Bret Stiles 221 00:09:51,112 --> 00:09:53,070 had just uncovered your plan to take over this place. 222 00:09:53,157 --> 00:09:54,419 I thought he would have gutted you like a trout 223 00:09:54,506 --> 00:09:55,856 but here you are. 224 00:09:55,943 --> 00:09:57,597 Bret's generosity is only exceeded 225 00:09:57,684 --> 00:09:59,816 by his capacity for forgiveness. 226 00:09:59,903 --> 00:10:01,949 Is Mr. Stiles here? We need to speak with him. 227 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:04,038 Unfortunately, Bret was called out of the country this morning. 228 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:05,169 Convenient. 229 00:10:05,256 --> 00:10:06,431 But he asked me to answer 230 00:10:06,518 --> 00:10:07,868 any question you have. 231 00:10:07,955 --> 00:10:09,173 Won't you come this way? There's tea. 232 00:10:12,263 --> 00:10:14,962 Lester Bradovich belonged to our church, I believe there's 233 00:10:15,049 --> 00:10:16,572 a good chance that all three of the bodies 234 00:10:16,659 --> 00:10:18,400 you found were church members. 235 00:10:18,487 --> 00:10:20,315 Well, what makes you say that, Mr. Cooper? 236 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:22,230 These murders occurred in 1988. 237 00:10:22,317 --> 00:10:24,928 At that time, Visualize owned the Elliston farm. 238 00:10:25,015 --> 00:10:26,930 Everyone who worked there was a member of the church. 239 00:10:27,017 --> 00:10:29,541 Why did Bret Stiles own a farm? 240 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:31,152 He had a dream. 241 00:10:31,239 --> 00:10:34,068 He saw Visualize controlling an agricultural empire 242 00:10:34,155 --> 00:10:36,853 based on wheat, but he wanted each of the farms 243 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:38,594 to be a self-sustaining bio-community. 244 00:10:38,681 --> 00:10:41,771 So they had to raise their own vegetables and livestock. 245 00:10:41,858 --> 00:10:43,686 It was a grand vision. 246 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:45,645 The church bought a half-dozen farms. 247 00:10:45,732 --> 00:10:49,039 Half a dozen? All run by people that knew nothing about farming? 248 00:10:49,126 --> 00:10:50,519 Let's just say that enthusiasm 249 00:10:50,606 --> 00:10:52,826 was a poor substitute for expertise. 250 00:10:52,913 --> 00:10:55,611 They all failed in a year or two. 251 00:10:55,698 --> 00:10:57,308 Lester Bradovich ran the Elliston farm 252 00:10:57,395 --> 00:10:59,049 with two others.. 253 00:10:59,136 --> 00:11:02,357 ...Martin Talbot and Allan Charney. 254 00:11:02,444 --> 00:11:05,839 That's what we have on them. 255 00:11:05,926 --> 00:11:08,885 'In July of 1988, when we hadn't had any word for some weeks' 256 00:11:08,972 --> 00:11:11,322 we sent people down to investigate. 257 00:11:11,409 --> 00:11:13,020 They found it empty. 258 00:11:13,107 --> 00:11:15,631 We assumed that Bradovich and the others had abandoned it. 259 00:11:15,718 --> 00:11:18,634 Why didn't you file a missing persons report? 260 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:20,941 They were adults. We weren't their parents. 261 00:11:21,028 --> 00:11:23,378 We assumed they'd run off. 262 00:11:23,465 --> 00:11:27,643 Besides, we have found, then and now 263 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:31,647 that the police rarely take church complaints seriously 264 00:11:31,734 --> 00:11:33,649 when we do file them. 265 00:11:36,913 --> 00:11:40,090 But we are all horrified by what happened. 266 00:11:40,177 --> 00:11:43,137 We'll do anything at all to assist in your investigation. 267 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:45,879 You have my word. 268 00:11:45,966 --> 00:11:47,228 Hmm. 269 00:11:47,315 --> 00:11:49,665 Martin Talbot was older. No family. 270 00:11:49,752 --> 00:11:51,493 That explains why nobody was looking for him. 271 00:11:51,580 --> 00:11:53,234 Allan Charney had family in Idaho. 272 00:11:53,321 --> 00:11:55,062 They did file a missing persons report 273 00:11:55,149 --> 00:11:57,020 but nothing ever came of it. 274 00:11:57,107 --> 00:11:58,630 There's no other information on either one of them. 275 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:00,241 Alright, call Charney's family 276 00:12:00,328 --> 00:12:01,851 and let them know what happened. 277 00:12:01,938 --> 00:12:05,725 Visualize is sending down their files on Elliston farm. 278 00:12:05,812 --> 00:12:07,901 Go through 'em. There might be something useful. 279 00:12:07,988 --> 00:12:10,251 Alright. Will do. 280 00:12:10,338 --> 00:12:11,774 I hate cold cases. 281 00:12:11,861 --> 00:12:14,298 No evidence, no witnesses and where do you start? 282 00:12:14,385 --> 00:12:16,474 Oh, it's not so bad. You know what you need? 283 00:12:16,561 --> 00:12:17,824 A viable suspect? 284 00:12:17,911 --> 00:12:20,827 Big bowl of Chili Verde. Come on. Let's go. 285 00:12:34,362 --> 00:12:35,580 Ella's Diner? 286 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:37,844 Best damn chili in town, I'm told. 287 00:12:37,931 --> 00:12:40,237 Please tell me we're not here for chili. 288 00:12:40,324 --> 00:12:43,675 Of course not. We're here to find a killer. 289 00:12:49,551 --> 00:12:50,813 What are we doing here, Jane? 290 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:52,641 Look around. 291 00:12:52,728 --> 00:12:57,037 The collective memory of this entire town is in this room. 292 00:12:57,124 --> 00:12:59,343 Anything that happened in the last 50 years 293 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:00,780 you'll find out about it here. 294 00:13:00,867 --> 00:13:02,564 - Here you go. - Thank you. 295 00:13:02,651 --> 00:13:04,740 - Lemon for your tea? - No, thanks. 296 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:06,481 'Ma'am, we're with the CBI.' 297 00:13:06,568 --> 00:13:08,222 We're investigating some murders 298 00:13:08,309 --> 00:13:10,267 that took place in town 20 years back. 299 00:13:10,354 --> 00:13:12,182 You mean the three bodies in the barn? 300 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:13,575 Yeah, I heard. 301 00:13:13,662 --> 00:13:16,186 The victims were from a group called Visualize 302 00:13:16,273 --> 00:13:18,362 that owned the farm. Do you know anything about that? 303 00:13:18,449 --> 00:13:21,670 All I know is that they found three dead guys. 304 00:13:21,757 --> 00:13:23,019 Can I get you anything else? 305 00:13:23,106 --> 00:13:25,152 No, thanks. Collective memory? 306 00:13:25,239 --> 00:13:26,762 Uh, if I may 307 00:13:26,849 --> 00:13:28,982 who told you about the three dead guys? 308 00:13:29,069 --> 00:13:30,244 Everybody knows. 309 00:13:30,331 --> 00:13:32,855 Yes, but who told you? 310 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:43,518 Look, I don't wanna get anybody in trouble. 311 00:13:43,605 --> 00:13:46,869 Oh, of course. Thank you. 312 00:13:51,134 --> 00:13:52,919 Patrick Jane. I'm with the CBI. 313 00:13:53,006 --> 00:13:54,268 What's your name? 314 00:13:54,355 --> 00:13:55,965 Miles MacCambridge. Why? 315 00:13:56,052 --> 00:13:57,662 'This is my colleague, Teresa Lisbon.' 316 00:13:57,749 --> 00:13:59,099 - Hi. - You're the town gossip. 317 00:13:59,186 --> 00:14:02,015 - I take it? - I am? 318 00:14:02,102 --> 00:14:05,018 Retired schoolteacher, by the looks. 319 00:14:05,105 --> 00:14:07,194 Who's your source on the murders? 320 00:14:07,281 --> 00:14:08,499 Former student, I'm guessing? 321 00:14:08,586 --> 00:14:10,414 Am I in some kind of trouble? 322 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:11,633 - Possibly. - No, you're not. 323 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,808 Jury's still out. 324 00:14:12,895 --> 00:14:14,592 'We're investigating the murders' 325 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,681 and we'd really appreciate it if you could tell us 326 00:14:16,768 --> 00:14:18,814 anything about that farm that we found the bodies at. 327 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:22,339 Oh, yeah. Well, it's-it's been through a lot of hands. 328 00:14:22,426 --> 00:14:23,819 It's not very good land. 329 00:14:23,906 --> 00:14:26,126 No one's worked it for at least a decade. 330 00:14:26,213 --> 00:14:27,954 What about the group, Visualize? 331 00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:30,086 They owned the farm back in the mid-'80s? 332 00:14:30,173 --> 00:14:33,002 Sure, I remember them. They stuck out. 333 00:14:33,089 --> 00:14:35,135 Pretty useless as farm folk. 334 00:14:35,222 --> 00:14:37,485 How did they get along with the other people in town? 335 00:14:37,572 --> 00:14:39,574 Were there any conflicts that you remember? 336 00:14:39,661 --> 00:14:41,837 They mostly kept to themselves. 337 00:14:41,924 --> 00:14:43,795 I remember one person bitching about 'em 338 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,711 a farmer named Tom Crayhew. 339 00:14:46,798 --> 00:14:49,149 'Couldn't tell you what he was upset about, too long ago.' 340 00:14:49,236 --> 00:14:51,586 Uh, we really appreciate it. Thank you. 341 00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:54,328 - So I'm not in any trouble? - Jury's still out. 342 00:14:54,415 --> 00:14:57,244 - You're fine. - Look here. 343 00:14:57,331 --> 00:15:00,247 Took me up on my recommendation, I see? 344 00:15:00,334 --> 00:15:02,205 Tell Elena to put your check on my tab. 345 00:15:02,292 --> 00:15:06,122 -Aw, that's okay. - Please. It's a long tab. 346 00:15:06,209 --> 00:15:08,733 Enjoy. 347 00:15:08,820 --> 00:15:10,387 You don't like him. 348 00:15:10,474 --> 00:15:12,389 - Former student? - Yes. 349 00:15:12,476 --> 00:15:16,306 Mean kid? Pulled on the girls' pigtails? 350 00:15:16,393 --> 00:15:17,742 He's chief of police 351 00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:20,789 which is a pretty powerful position around here. 352 00:15:20,876 --> 00:15:21,921 If you'll excuse me. 353 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:29,319 Is this the stuff from Visualize? 354 00:15:29,406 --> 00:15:31,843 Yeah, it's mostly letters from the farm to Visualize 355 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:33,933 asking for more help and more money. 356 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:35,978 And Bradovich, Charney, and Talbot were the only 357 00:15:36,065 --> 00:15:38,589 full-time workers, but Visualize was sending temporary people 358 00:15:38,676 --> 00:15:41,723 all the time some members, some potential recruits. 359 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:43,551 Their names weren't even recorded most of the time. 360 00:15:43,638 --> 00:15:45,422 - Most of the time? - 'Yeah there's one lead.' 361 00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:47,424 A guy named Peter Dibuono is listed 362 00:15:47,511 --> 00:15:49,687 as working at the farm in '86 and '87. 363 00:15:49,774 --> 00:15:51,254 'He might be able to tell us something.' 364 00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:52,952 I reached him on e-mail. He's coming in to talk. 365 00:15:53,039 --> 00:15:54,823 Good. You and Rigsby go to Elliston. 366 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:56,999 Talk to a farmer named Tom Crayhew. 367 00:15:57,086 --> 00:16:00,263 Apparently he had some sort of beef with the Visualize farm. 368 00:16:00,350 --> 00:16:02,135 - I'll be back in an hour. - Where you going? 369 00:16:02,222 --> 00:16:03,397 Lunch. 370 00:16:04,746 --> 00:16:06,269 'No, no. My hat's off.' 371 00:16:06,356 --> 00:16:08,271 I-I only lasted two days as Jane's boss. 372 00:16:08,358 --> 00:16:09,707 He nearly killed me. 373 00:16:09,794 --> 00:16:11,840 So you-you clearly know things that I don't. 374 00:16:11,927 --> 00:16:13,537 He is not that hard to handle. 375 00:16:13,624 --> 00:16:16,758 Really? Seriously? 'Cause I know a couple.. 376 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:19,804 ...thousand people who would disagree with that. 377 00:16:19,891 --> 00:16:21,719 So...ten years? 378 00:16:21,806 --> 00:16:23,721 People keep on saying that. I don't know why. 379 00:16:23,808 --> 00:16:25,723 I don't feel any different. 380 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:27,638 I'm hoping it means you're ready for a change. 381 00:16:27,725 --> 00:16:30,163 Oh, what is that supposed to mean? 382 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:32,078 I'm leaving CBI. 383 00:16:32,165 --> 00:16:34,602 I've lined up some capital. I'm starting my own firm. 384 00:16:34,689 --> 00:16:39,215 Security and investigations for high-end clients. 385 00:16:39,302 --> 00:16:41,087 I was wondering if you'd consider coming with me. 386 00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:42,088 Ray. 387 00:16:42,175 --> 00:16:43,393 You're one of the top agents 388 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,308 in the division. Everyone knows it. 389 00:16:45,395 --> 00:16:47,658 You deserve a position commensurate with your gifts. 390 00:16:47,745 --> 00:16:49,921 I am flattered, Ray, but I like my job. 391 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,793 Yeah, I like my job, too, I'd like it better 392 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,100 if I'd had a raise in the past three years. 393 00:16:54,187 --> 00:16:56,189 California's broke, if you didn't notice. 394 00:16:56,276 --> 00:16:59,844 It's not about the money. 395 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:01,672 That's the starting salary. 396 00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:06,851 That'll keep you in leather jackets, I think. 397 00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:12,335 It's not about the money. I like what I do. 398 00:17:12,422 --> 00:17:15,034 It's a good job. It's good work. 399 00:17:15,121 --> 00:17:16,861 Is it the work, or is it Jane? 400 00:17:16,948 --> 00:17:18,602 He's part of the work. 401 00:17:18,689 --> 00:17:21,649 Sure. And you guys-you guys have a track record 402 00:17:21,736 --> 00:17:23,520 I-I understand why you wanna stick with that. 403 00:17:23,607 --> 00:17:26,567 But if there's one thing that I've learned about Jane 404 00:17:26,654 --> 00:17:28,351 it's that catching bad guys is a game to him 405 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:30,875 and-and he's gonna quit someday. 406 00:17:30,962 --> 00:17:32,181 Maybe because he gets Red John 407 00:17:32,268 --> 00:17:34,227 maybe because, what, he just gets bored. 408 00:17:34,314 --> 00:17:37,534 When that happens, you're gonna be on your own. 409 00:17:37,621 --> 00:17:39,449 Driving out to some crime scene 410 00:17:39,536 --> 00:17:41,103 in the middle of nowhere at 5:00 a.m. 411 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:44,585 Asking Rigsby what sort of sad story 412 00:17:44,672 --> 00:17:46,413 you gotta unravel this time. 413 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,982 Is that what you really want? 414 00:17:54,290 --> 00:17:56,553 Because I think you deserve better. 415 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,512 Think about it. 416 00:18:12,569 --> 00:18:14,093 Mr. Crayhew? 417 00:18:18,967 --> 00:18:22,013 Mr. Crayhew, we're with CBI. Open up, please! 418 00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:23,319 'I will not be bullied!' 419 00:18:23,406 --> 00:18:24,973 Put the gun down. 420 00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:27,236 You cannot make a man render unto Caesar 421 00:18:27,323 --> 00:18:29,064 that which he does not choose to render. 422 00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:30,413 - What? - Sir. 423 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:31,893 Whatever the problem is, we can work it out. 424 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:33,808 Just put the gun away. 425 00:18:33,895 --> 00:18:35,853 Federal income tax is an illegal taking 426 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:38,117 under the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution 427 00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:39,640 and I will not pay it! 428 00:18:39,727 --> 00:18:41,816 - Sir, we're not with the IRS. - Says you. 429 00:18:41,903 --> 00:18:43,557 We have nothing to do with your taxes. 430 00:18:43,644 --> 00:18:46,037 We wanna talk about some killings at a nearby farm. 431 00:18:47,517 --> 00:18:50,607 You're not federal agents? 432 00:18:50,694 --> 00:18:52,043 - You're not here to collect? - No, sir. 433 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:54,785 California Bureau of Investigation. 434 00:18:54,872 --> 00:18:56,570 Now put the gun down. Do it now. 435 00:19:00,617 --> 00:19:04,012 Yeah, I remember those clowns from Visualize. 436 00:19:04,099 --> 00:19:06,362 That land's right next to mine. 437 00:19:06,449 --> 00:19:08,495 Killed everything they-they touched. 438 00:19:08,582 --> 00:19:09,670 Plus they were thieves. 439 00:19:09,757 --> 00:19:11,541 Why thieves? 440 00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:14,153 Well, they stole my damn water. 441 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,329 I got a stream up that way. 442 00:19:16,416 --> 00:19:18,026 They diverted it into their fields 443 00:19:18,113 --> 00:19:19,723 like I wouldn't notice. 444 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:25,294 So me and my 12-gauge went to talk it over with them. 445 00:19:25,381 --> 00:19:28,558 I told those wackadoodles to stop stealing my water 446 00:19:28,645 --> 00:19:30,473 and one of 'em pulled a revolver. 447 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,258 I thought we were gonna have a shooting right there. 448 00:19:32,345 --> 00:19:33,694 Do you recall what kind of revolver it was? 449 00:19:33,781 --> 00:19:35,478 Nope. 450 00:19:35,565 --> 00:19:39,352 Was one of these...the man that threatened you? 451 00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:47,838 It was that one. 452 00:19:47,925 --> 00:19:52,452 He was wound up. Had that look, you know? 453 00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:54,280 Just ready to go. 454 00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:57,196 I truly thought I was gonna have to shoot him right there. 455 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,850 But I didn't. 456 00:19:59,937 --> 00:20:03,767 I didn't. I swear to God. 457 00:20:03,854 --> 00:20:07,293 But I don't condemn whoever did shoot him, though. 458 00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:09,556 You've heard how they treated their animals? 459 00:20:09,643 --> 00:20:11,166 No. How? 460 00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:15,344 They...tortured 'em, basically. 461 00:20:15,431 --> 00:20:17,564 Unnatural stuff. 462 00:20:17,651 --> 00:20:19,087 Satanic ritual stuff. 463 00:20:19,174 --> 00:20:21,437 Really? You know that for a fact? 464 00:20:21,524 --> 00:20:23,309 You don't believe me, talk to the vet. 465 00:20:23,396 --> 00:20:24,788 She was on 'em all the time 466 00:20:24,875 --> 00:20:27,965 about how they were treating their stock. 467 00:20:28,052 --> 00:20:30,229 She was ready to call the county on 'em. 468 00:20:30,316 --> 00:20:31,795 And what's this vet's name? 469 00:20:31,882 --> 00:20:35,712 I think she retired now. Hmm. 470 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:38,541 Preston. That's it. 471 00:20:44,417 --> 00:20:45,766 'Hello, Lisbon.' 472 00:20:45,853 --> 00:20:48,421 Are you ever gonna let me in there again? 473 00:20:48,508 --> 00:20:49,726 'How was lunch?' 474 00:20:49,813 --> 00:20:51,989 Lovely. Haffner offered me a job. 475 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:57,778 Really? 476 00:20:57,865 --> 00:21:00,433 - You gonna take it? - Right now I'm considering it. 477 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,913 Come on. We have to go talk to the vet. 478 00:21:18,233 --> 00:21:21,105 Wait, this one's for Doug. 479 00:21:21,192 --> 00:21:22,759 Dr. Ellen Preston? 480 00:21:22,846 --> 00:21:24,413 Oh, uh, no, I'm no one. 481 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:27,286 Dr. Preston's my mom. I'm Holly Preston. 482 00:21:27,373 --> 00:21:29,244 Holly. Pretty good with those dogs. 483 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:31,551 Oh, well, thanks. I should be. 484 00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:34,510 I'm with them all day. I run a doggy day care. 485 00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:35,859 Is there something I can do for you? 486 00:21:35,946 --> 00:21:37,383 We're with the CBI. 487 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:40,951 We need to ask your mother some questions. 488 00:21:41,038 --> 00:21:44,085 - Oh. - Is that a problem? 489 00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:46,435 'She was diagnosed with Alzheimer's' 490 00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:48,524 'about eight years ago.' 491 00:21:48,611 --> 00:21:50,787 'She still responds but she's not very good' 492 00:21:50,874 --> 00:21:52,833 'at talking to people anymore.' 493 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,356 'I'm sorry.' 494 00:21:54,443 --> 00:21:55,836 'Oh, don't be.' 495 00:21:55,923 --> 00:21:57,054 She looks peaceful. 496 00:21:57,141 --> 00:21:58,839 She is...mostly. 497 00:21:58,926 --> 00:22:00,275 You've probably heard. 498 00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:02,538 'We found three bodies on a nearby farm.' 499 00:22:02,625 --> 00:22:04,410 '25 years ago, the farm was owned' 500 00:22:04,497 --> 00:22:07,848 by a church called Visualize. Does that ring a bell? 501 00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:10,764 I've heard about them. They made kind of a splash. 502 00:22:10,851 --> 00:22:13,419 'Hi, little boy. Who's a good boy?' 503 00:22:13,506 --> 00:22:15,464 Yeah. Oh, he likes that. You like that? 504 00:22:15,551 --> 00:22:18,075 Is...that what you wanted to talk to my mom about? 505 00:22:18,162 --> 00:22:19,816 We heard that she was concerned 506 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:22,079 about the way some of the animals were being treat. 507 00:22:22,166 --> 00:22:23,777 We just wanted to know what that was about. 508 00:22:23,864 --> 00:22:27,302 Rumor has it they were performing satanic rituals. 509 00:22:27,389 --> 00:22:29,130 - What? - We'd heard. 510 00:22:29,217 --> 00:22:33,221 There may have been some unnatural acts going on. 511 00:22:33,308 --> 00:22:35,571 Have you been talking to Tom Crayhew? 512 00:22:35,658 --> 00:22:37,051 Why? Does it sound like him? 513 00:22:37,138 --> 00:22:39,532 Oh, exactly like him. 514 00:22:39,619 --> 00:22:41,229 'I would remember if my mom' 515 00:22:41,316 --> 00:22:42,883 'thought something was happening.' 516 00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:44,711 There were no rituals. 517 00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:46,669 I think my mom was just concerned 518 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,715 that the farm was failing. 519 00:22:48,802 --> 00:22:50,151 People take it out on the animals 520 00:22:50,238 --> 00:22:51,500 once a place goes south. 521 00:22:51,587 --> 00:22:52,893 - Did you ever go up there? - No. 522 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:57,071 I was 16, and I was all about boys then. 523 00:22:57,158 --> 00:22:59,595 I wouldn't go to the farm with my mom if I could avoid it. 524 00:22:59,682 --> 00:23:01,205 Well, all the academic achievements 525 00:23:01,292 --> 00:23:04,208 suggest you were focused on a little more than just boys. 526 00:23:04,295 --> 00:23:06,123 Well, maybe now and then 527 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:08,822 but that was a long time ago. 528 00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:12,739 Is that all you wanted to ask about? 529 00:23:12,826 --> 00:23:15,524 Yes. Yeah. Thank you for your time. 530 00:23:15,611 --> 00:23:17,352 - Jane. Jane. - Yes. How good is that, huh? 531 00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:20,529 Is that good? That's really good. 532 00:23:20,616 --> 00:23:22,226 - Jane? - That's really good. 533 00:23:28,276 --> 00:23:30,060 - Agent Van Pelt? - Yes? 534 00:23:30,147 --> 00:23:32,802 Father Peter Dibuono. You asked to see me? 535 00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,369 Obviously, I haven't been a member 536 00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:36,937 of Visualize for some time. 537 00:23:37,024 --> 00:23:39,592 If I were to be kind to my younger self 538 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:41,420 I would say that my time with them 539 00:23:41,507 --> 00:23:45,119 was an early stage in a long spiritual journey. 540 00:23:45,206 --> 00:23:46,816 What if you weren't being kind? 541 00:23:46,903 --> 00:23:49,645 I was a stupid punk who didn't know any better. 542 00:23:49,732 --> 00:23:52,256 Bret Stiles says a lot of things that sound good 543 00:23:52,343 --> 00:23:54,171 if you don't think about 'em too hard. 544 00:23:54,258 --> 00:23:55,956 Some of what he says makes sense, though. 545 00:23:56,043 --> 00:24:00,917 Yes. Uh, there's a core of truth in every good lie. 546 00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:03,180 All that talk about self-actualization 547 00:24:03,267 --> 00:24:05,008 can be very, very seductive. 548 00:24:05,095 --> 00:24:07,054 Oh, it's not just seduction. 549 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:09,056 What's wrong with wanting to be the most powerful version 550 00:24:09,143 --> 00:24:10,405 of you, you can be? 551 00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:12,102 If you were a good person it would just 552 00:24:12,189 --> 00:24:13,539 make you an even better one. 553 00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:16,759 Well, it depends on how you look at it, I guess. 554 00:24:16,846 --> 00:24:19,632 You wanted to ask me about the Elliston farm? 555 00:24:19,719 --> 00:24:21,242 You worked there, right? 556 00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:24,201 No, I ran it. From mid-'86 to late '87. 557 00:24:24,288 --> 00:24:26,508 That was a crazy time. 558 00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:28,292 There was a lot of pressure from Visualize to make 559 00:24:28,379 --> 00:24:31,034 that place work, we just didn't have the people 560 00:24:31,121 --> 00:24:32,993 or the expertise. 561 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,561 And that's why they brought Bradovich in to take over. 562 00:24:35,648 --> 00:24:36,649 - Lester Bradovich? - Mm-hmm 563 00:24:36,736 --> 00:24:38,825 And Lester, he was.. 564 00:24:38,912 --> 00:24:40,653 ...a true believer. 565 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:41,958 He worked people insanely hard 566 00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:43,525 18, 20 hours a day. 567 00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:48,312 No one lasted long except for him, Talbot and Charney. 568 00:24:48,399 --> 00:24:52,229 After I left, um, I heard, this is just a rumor 569 00:24:52,316 --> 00:24:55,581 that-that Lester had been giving people drugs 570 00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:57,583 to keep them working when they were tired. 571 00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:58,932 What kind of drugs? 572 00:24:59,019 --> 00:25:00,237 I don't know. I don't know. 573 00:25:00,324 --> 00:25:02,544 Speed, I would guess. 574 00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:03,893 But he must have been desperate 575 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:06,330 because there were so many ex-addicts 576 00:25:06,417 --> 00:25:07,680 in the church at that time 577 00:25:07,767 --> 00:25:11,031 that Visualize was very strict about drugs. 578 00:25:11,118 --> 00:25:13,076 If he couldn't get the drugs from the church 579 00:25:13,163 --> 00:25:14,643 where would he get 'em? 580 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:15,731 I have no idea. 581 00:25:17,777 --> 00:25:21,084 Father Dibuono. Uh, Patrick Jane. 582 00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:22,433 Uh, Agent Van Pelt told me you used to work 583 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:23,870 on the Elliston farm. 584 00:25:23,957 --> 00:25:27,134 - That's right. - May I show you something? 585 00:25:27,221 --> 00:25:29,397 Do you know what that is? 586 00:25:29,484 --> 00:25:33,401 Uh, sure. Yeah, I saw that. 587 00:25:33,488 --> 00:25:34,707 When? 588 00:25:34,794 --> 00:25:36,360 A few months after I left the farm 589 00:25:36,447 --> 00:25:39,276 I, uh, I went back for a visit 590 00:25:39,363 --> 00:25:41,017 and that's when I saw it. 591 00:25:41,104 --> 00:25:43,933 Talbot said that some kid who worked on the farm he did it. 592 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:45,892 "Some kid," that's all he said about it? 593 00:25:45,979 --> 00:25:48,068 Yeah, yeah. Some kid. 594 00:25:48,155 --> 00:25:49,678 How old was Talbot? 595 00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:51,811 Uh, 50-something? 596 00:25:51,898 --> 00:25:58,295 Ah. So anyone under the age of 30 could be "some kid". 597 00:25:58,382 --> 00:26:00,297 You know, I asked Talbot what it meant 598 00:26:00,384 --> 00:26:01,603 the smiley face. 599 00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:04,693 He said, "What does anything mean?" 600 00:26:04,780 --> 00:26:09,959 But he said it with this really deranged expression on his face. 601 00:26:10,046 --> 00:26:13,223 There was a bad vibe about that place. 602 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:14,790 Evil. 603 00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:18,925 I didn't spend more than half an hour there 604 00:26:19,012 --> 00:26:20,230 and I never went back. 605 00:26:20,317 --> 00:26:22,406 And you've never seen that image 606 00:26:22,493 --> 00:26:24,191 anywhere else ever since? 607 00:26:24,278 --> 00:26:27,716 No. No. But I've been out of the country a lot. 608 00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:30,066 Missionary work. Central America. 609 00:26:32,982 --> 00:26:34,375 Is something the matter, Mr. Jane? 610 00:26:34,462 --> 00:26:37,421 No. No, not at all. Appreciate your time. 611 00:26:53,916 --> 00:26:55,222 When the murders occurred Bradovich was pushing 612 00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:56,832 'the farm workers as hard as possible.' 613 00:26:56,919 --> 00:26:58,878 They were stealing water from neighboring farms 614 00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:01,097 and still failing to make the farm produce. 615 00:27:01,184 --> 00:27:02,403 How does any of that get the three of them killed? 616 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:04,057 Well, I checked on Crayhew. 617 00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:05,493 'He spent some time with a right-wing militia' 618 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,626 in the mid-'80s. The county sheriff still thinks 619 00:27:07,713 --> 00:27:09,149 he's got a lot more guns on that farm. 620 00:27:09,236 --> 00:27:10,977 'It wouldn't surprise me.' 621 00:27:11,064 --> 00:27:12,413 What about the forensics team that was searching the farm? 622 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:13,632 Did they come up with anything? 623 00:27:13,719 --> 00:27:14,807 Nothing yet. They're still looking. 624 00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:16,635 Stay on 'em. 625 00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:19,289 I'm interested in the drugs the good father mentioned. 626 00:27:19,376 --> 00:27:20,900 He said it was just a rumor. 627 00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,424 Well, if Bradovich is working them around the clock 628 00:27:23,511 --> 00:27:25,861 I'm betting they had a little chemical help. 629 00:27:25,948 --> 00:27:27,210 And if they didn't get it from Visualize 630 00:27:27,297 --> 00:27:29,343 then where did they get it from? 631 00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:32,607 Who knows? Everyone who could tell us is dead. 632 00:27:32,694 --> 00:27:34,261 Not everyone. 633 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:37,394 Hmm. Nope. 634 00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:40,528 Don't remember any of 'em. 635 00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:43,966 Of course, I was just 17 at the time. 636 00:27:44,053 --> 00:27:46,795 Not likely to run into boys like these. 637 00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:50,451 And, uh, as far as drug deals in 1988 638 00:27:50,538 --> 00:27:52,627 I couldn't tell you anything about that. 639 00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:56,065 Wasn't bustin' drug dealers quite yet. 640 00:27:56,152 --> 00:27:57,676 Would your office have any record 641 00:27:57,763 --> 00:27:59,678 of drug arrests back then? 642 00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:02,115 A lot of the old files have been archived. 643 00:28:02,202 --> 00:28:05,031 They're in some warehouse in Fresno. 644 00:28:05,118 --> 00:28:06,772 I can send somebody to go look but it's gonna 645 00:28:06,859 --> 00:28:08,687 it's gonna take a while. 646 00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:12,299 Could do that. Or you could just tell us what drugs you sold 'em. 647 00:28:12,386 --> 00:28:13,735 Excuse me? 648 00:28:13,822 --> 00:28:15,302 You were dealing drugs back then, weren't you? 649 00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:16,695 And they were clients. 650 00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:19,349 Whatever gives you the idea that I dealt drugs? 651 00:28:19,436 --> 00:28:22,439 You're self-indulgent. You're corrupt. 652 00:28:22,526 --> 00:28:24,093 You pretended not to know Bradovich 653 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:26,139 when clearly, you recognize him. 654 00:28:26,226 --> 00:28:27,531 You knew we were gonna talk about drugs. 655 00:28:27,618 --> 00:28:29,969 So why lie about not selling 'em? 656 00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:31,884 Look, I'm-I'm not sitting still for this, okay? 657 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:34,451 You withhold information from us during this investigation 658 00:28:34,538 --> 00:28:36,323 it's considered obstruction of justice. 659 00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:38,064 They'll take your badge for that. 660 00:28:38,151 --> 00:28:41,154 You might have to start paying for that Chili Verde. 661 00:28:48,596 --> 00:28:52,165 I might have dealt a little in high school. 662 00:28:52,252 --> 00:28:55,298 Lot of people did, okay? It wasn't no big deal. 663 00:28:55,385 --> 00:28:57,823 And by the way, I'm pretty sure the statute of limitations 664 00:28:57,910 --> 00:28:59,738 has expired on that. 665 00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:03,393 Did you sell drugs to Bradovich? 666 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,917 This is between us, right? 667 00:29:05,004 --> 00:29:06,353 Law officer to law officer? 668 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,615 Chief. 669 00:29:10,444 --> 00:29:13,969 He was looking for speed to keep his people working. 670 00:29:14,056 --> 00:29:16,667 I sold him some. 671 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,713 But right away, he came back for more. 672 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,150 A lot more. 673 00:29:21,237 --> 00:29:22,978 I didn't have the kind of quantity he wanted 674 00:29:23,065 --> 00:29:27,983 so I put him in touch with some serious guys I knew in Stockton. 675 00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:29,724 'Scary dudes.' 676 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,552 Hell, maybe they killed 'em. 677 00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:35,512 I'm gonna need those names. 678 00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:46,001 Two of the drug dealers Anaya gave us are dead. 679 00:29:46,088 --> 00:29:47,916 The other one's on death row in Texas. 680 00:29:48,003 --> 00:29:49,613 'I've got a call in to the Department of Corrections' 681 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:50,963 'to see if I can interview him.' 682 00:29:51,050 --> 00:29:52,878 Oh, remember the missing bullet 683 00:29:52,965 --> 00:29:55,010 from the gun we found near the bodies? 684 00:29:55,097 --> 00:29:56,620 Techs finally found it. 685 00:29:56,707 --> 00:29:58,884 It was buried in the dirt in front of the barn. 686 00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:00,276 Like somebody had shot into the ground. 687 00:30:00,363 --> 00:30:01,669 Where outside the barn? 688 00:30:01,756 --> 00:30:03,802 Right in front of the big painted face. 689 00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:06,021 - Hmm. - So what do you think? 690 00:30:06,108 --> 00:30:07,806 Should I go to Texas and talk to this guy? 691 00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:10,417 By all means, take a trek to the Lone Star state. 692 00:30:10,504 --> 00:30:12,811 But I think I can solve this case quicker. 693 00:30:12,898 --> 00:30:14,377 How? 694 00:30:14,464 --> 00:30:16,771 Get everyone we've interviewed to Ella's Diner 695 00:30:16,858 --> 00:30:18,251 first thing tomorrow morning. 696 00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:21,515 - Well, why the diner? - For the coffee, of course. 697 00:30:27,869 --> 00:30:29,088 Hey, Ray. 698 00:30:29,175 --> 00:30:31,438 Hey. I was, uh, just checking in. 699 00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:33,266 Seeing if you had a chance to think about the offer. 700 00:30:33,353 --> 00:30:36,138 I think you already know my answer. 701 00:30:36,225 --> 00:30:37,748 You're missing out on something big. 702 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,968 - I'm sure I am. - How's the case? 703 00:30:40,055 --> 00:30:42,275 - You getting anywhere? - We're making progress. 704 00:30:42,362 --> 00:30:43,754 Did you get anything from the stuff Cooper sent down? 705 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,669 No, not much. 706 00:30:49,543 --> 00:30:53,895 Ray, Jason Cooper's name isn't on that board. 707 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,202 So? 708 00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:59,509 How did you know that he sent us material? 709 00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:01,250 Someone on your team must have told me. 710 00:31:01,337 --> 00:31:03,383 No one else knew except myself and Jane. 711 00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:08,562 Did somebody from the church tell you? 712 00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:12,653 Ray? 713 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:14,394 Are you a member of Visualize? 714 00:31:16,613 --> 00:31:20,487 As a matter of fact, I am. I don't talk about it much. 715 00:31:20,574 --> 00:31:23,185 People tend to take it the wrong way. 716 00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:25,274 The way that you're taking it right now, I think. 717 00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:27,189 - Oh, that's not true. - Really? 718 00:31:27,276 --> 00:31:29,017 No. 719 00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:31,933 Look, I was a screwed-up kid. 720 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:35,458 I was headed down a bad path and some people from Visualize 721 00:31:35,545 --> 00:31:40,289 took an interest and helped straighten me out. 722 00:31:40,376 --> 00:31:42,988 I-I-I don't think that Bret Stiles is God. 723 00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:46,382 You know, he just happens to say some things that I believe. 724 00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:48,471 The money to fund your agency 725 00:31:48,558 --> 00:31:50,169 is that coming from Visualize? 726 00:31:50,256 --> 00:31:51,648 Some, not all. 727 00:31:53,346 --> 00:31:55,087 Teresa, stop looking at me 728 00:31:55,174 --> 00:31:56,697 like I just turned into a robot. 729 00:31:56,784 --> 00:31:58,133 It's just me. 730 00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:19,649 Just in time, Lisbon. 731 00:33:19,736 --> 00:33:21,695 Morning, Jane. Nice party. 732 00:33:21,782 --> 00:33:23,175 Can I get some of that coffee? 733 00:33:23,262 --> 00:33:24,611 Nope. 734 00:33:24,698 --> 00:33:26,308 This is only for the suspects. 735 00:33:26,395 --> 00:33:27,657 - What? - For who? 736 00:33:27,744 --> 00:33:29,703 - What did you say? - That's right. 737 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:33,272 You're all here because one of you killed Lester Bradovich 738 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,797 Martin Talbot, and Allen Charney. 739 00:33:36,884 --> 00:33:39,147 Why would I kill three members of my own church? 740 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:40,931 Well, because the farm was failing 741 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:42,455 and Bret Stiles didn't want that to happen. 742 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,326 'But maybe it wasn't you.' 743 00:33:44,413 --> 00:33:46,546 Mr. Bradovich here was angry with his brother 744 00:33:46,633 --> 00:33:48,548 for abandoning his family. 745 00:33:48,635 --> 00:33:51,333 Even if I was, why would I kill the other two guys? 746 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:53,857 Who knows how a homicidal maniac thinks? 747 00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:55,555 Homicidal maniac? 748 00:33:55,642 --> 00:33:58,123 I was 16, Mr. Jane. 749 00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:59,733 Yes, but your mother was an adult 750 00:33:59,820 --> 00:34:01,169 and she was angry with the farmers 751 00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:02,692 over how they were treating the animals. 752 00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:06,740 Are you seriously saying my mother killed these people? 753 00:34:06,827 --> 00:34:08,698 You're right. Maybe it was the priest. 754 00:34:08,785 --> 00:34:11,658 He was angry because he was displaced as the farm's leader. 755 00:34:11,745 --> 00:34:12,920 No, I wasn't. 756 00:34:13,007 --> 00:34:14,574 Then there's the angry farmer 757 00:34:14,661 --> 00:34:16,315 and the police chief. 758 00:34:16,402 --> 00:34:19,318 Whoever did this, it was definitely one of you 759 00:34:19,405 --> 00:34:21,363 'and in a moment, we're gonna find out which one.' 760 00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:23,452 'But first..' 761 00:34:23,539 --> 00:34:25,541 ...more coffee, anyone? 762 00:34:28,588 --> 00:34:31,852 - No. No. No. No. No. - 'Mom, mom.' 763 00:34:31,939 --> 00:34:32,896 - 'No, no, no.' - 'Mom.' 764 00:34:32,983 --> 00:34:34,420 Mom, take it easy. 765 00:34:34,507 --> 00:34:36,335 What's her problem? Why's she so upset? 766 00:34:36,422 --> 00:34:38,902 She recognizes the symbol. There was one at the farm. 767 00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:41,079 - You mean the face on the barn? - Right. 768 00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:43,037 And she knows what happened underneath it. 769 00:34:43,124 --> 00:34:44,169 Are you saying she's the killer? 770 00:34:44,256 --> 00:34:45,474 We're gonna have to ask your mother 771 00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:46,475 'some questions.' 772 00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:47,694 No. You can't. 773 00:34:47,781 --> 00:34:48,782 Ms. Preston, you got no choice. 774 00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:50,000 'She won't understand.' 775 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,306 Well, we're gonna have to try. 776 00:34:51,393 --> 00:34:52,307 Come on. We'll treat her right. 777 00:34:52,394 --> 00:34:54,092 No. It's not her. 778 00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:56,050 It's me. 779 00:34:58,531 --> 00:35:00,010 It's me. 780 00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:04,493 You thought it was me when we met, didn't you? 781 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:06,756 I thought that was a possibility. 782 00:35:06,843 --> 00:35:08,106 Young woman, high-achieving 783 00:35:08,193 --> 00:35:10,760 ends up running a doggy day care. 784 00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:14,112 Suggested something went wrong along the way. 785 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,026 Yeah. 786 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:17,376 That sounds about right. 787 00:35:22,032 --> 00:35:27,081 My mother was concerned about the Visualize farm. 788 00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:32,434 I was riding along... when she made a visit in the area. 789 00:35:32,521 --> 00:35:35,220 And she said she wanted to check on them. 790 00:35:35,307 --> 00:35:37,047 to see what was going on. 791 00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,964 It had rained that day.. 792 00:35:41,051 --> 00:35:43,315 So the ground was wet. 793 00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:49,930 You stay here. I'll be just a minute. 794 00:35:55,588 --> 00:35:58,547 Next thing I knew, I heard someone shouting. 795 00:35:58,634 --> 00:36:00,375 Don't tell me what to do! There are laws. 796 00:36:00,462 --> 00:36:01,594 I don't care about any of your laws! 797 00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:03,030 Laws that say this animal 798 00:36:03,117 --> 00:36:04,684 has to be fed and taken care of! 799 00:36:04,771 --> 00:36:07,600 And if you won't take care of it, I will report you! 800 00:36:07,687 --> 00:36:10,429 I...I should.. 801 00:36:10,516 --> 00:36:11,821 You want me to take care of it? Fine! 802 00:36:11,908 --> 00:36:12,953 I'll take care of it! 803 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:20,743 He looked so crazy. Just out of his mind. 804 00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:22,267 Well, he was amped up on speed. 805 00:36:22,354 --> 00:36:24,007 He'd been sleep-deprived for weeks. 806 00:36:24,094 --> 00:36:27,054 He wasout of his mind. 807 00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:28,969 What happened next? 808 00:36:29,056 --> 00:36:30,753 Oh, you son of a bitch! 809 00:36:33,843 --> 00:36:37,891 - 'Mom!' - 'No!' 810 00:36:39,414 --> 00:36:42,461 I thought he was gonna kill my mother. 811 00:36:42,548 --> 00:36:44,724 I had to do something. 812 00:36:44,811 --> 00:36:47,117 Help! Leave her. 813 00:36:47,683 --> 00:36:49,424 Hey! 814 00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,258 I-I don't understand. 815 00:36:57,345 --> 00:37:00,130 Where were Charney and Talbot? How did they get shot? 816 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:02,959 I don't know. 817 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:05,658 What? 818 00:37:05,745 --> 00:37:10,663 I-I don't know anything about them, I swear. I.. 819 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:12,534 It wasn't me. 820 00:37:12,621 --> 00:37:16,016 What wasn't you? 821 00:37:16,103 --> 00:37:18,584 Holly. 822 00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:21,761 What happened when you hid the body? 823 00:37:24,111 --> 00:37:27,114 My mother was sure I could go to jail. 824 00:37:27,201 --> 00:37:29,116 And she couldn't let that happen. 825 00:37:29,203 --> 00:37:31,988 She wouldn't let that happen. 826 00:37:32,075 --> 00:37:36,950 She knew there was a basement in the barn. 827 00:37:37,037 --> 00:37:39,257 So we went down there 828 00:37:39,344 --> 00:37:41,694 and that's when we found the other two. 829 00:37:45,132 --> 00:37:49,571 Talbot and Charney's bodies were already there? 830 00:37:49,658 --> 00:37:51,051 I-I guess it was them. 831 00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:53,445 Did you see anything else? Anything at all? 832 00:37:53,532 --> 00:37:54,750 No. 833 00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:56,491 After we dumped the body 834 00:37:56,578 --> 00:37:58,667 we got out of there as fast as we could. 835 00:38:00,147 --> 00:38:03,281 I had a feeling.. 836 00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:06,458 ...someone was there with us. 837 00:38:11,071 --> 00:38:14,030 Someone was watching us. 838 00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:25,041 - Hey. You got a second? - Sure. 839 00:38:25,128 --> 00:38:28,741 Word is Holly Preston's only gonna face manslaughter charges 840 00:38:28,828 --> 00:38:30,612 for the homicides. That true? 841 00:38:30,699 --> 00:38:32,745 We suggested it to the DDA and he agreed. 842 00:38:32,832 --> 00:38:34,181 Really. 843 00:38:34,268 --> 00:38:36,139 She claims she did it in self-defense 844 00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:37,750 and we believed her. She'll serve time. 845 00:38:37,837 --> 00:38:39,491 Three guys got killed. 846 00:38:39,578 --> 00:38:41,493 She only killed one of them, and it was in self-defense. 847 00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:43,103 That's what she says. 848 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:45,061 Are you in the business of taking killers at their word? 849 00:38:45,148 --> 00:38:47,368 I believe her. 850 00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:50,458 Did someone from Visualize ask you to talk to me? 851 00:38:50,545 --> 00:38:52,242 Because you've never come to my office 852 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:54,288 and questioned my arrests before. 853 00:38:54,375 --> 00:38:56,377 Yeah, I might have gotten some calls. 854 00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:57,596 Might've heard some concern 855 00:38:57,683 --> 00:38:59,293 that you pushed for lighter sentences 856 00:38:59,380 --> 00:39:01,339 because the victims were church 857 00:39:01,426 --> 00:39:03,210 and maybe you don't like the church. 858 00:39:03,297 --> 00:39:04,777 Absolutely not. 859 00:39:04,864 --> 00:39:06,648 Would you be willing to push for a murder charge 860 00:39:06,735 --> 00:39:08,258 have another talk with the DDA? 861 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:10,173 Absolutely not. 862 00:39:11,871 --> 00:39:14,743 Okay. Had to try. 863 00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:16,528 Thank you for hearing me out. 864 00:39:18,747 --> 00:39:20,227 Hey, I-I heard about Jane's trick. 865 00:39:20,314 --> 00:39:22,316 How did he make that symbol appear on the table? 866 00:39:22,403 --> 00:39:24,579 Lemon juice. Kid's invisible ink. 867 00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:26,929 The heat from the coffee pot made it appear. 868 00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:29,105 Lemon juice. Of course. 869 00:39:30,803 --> 00:39:33,066 Hey, Ray. 870 00:39:33,153 --> 00:39:35,895 You said that you joined Visualize as a teenager. 871 00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:37,984 So 1988, you would have been 21? 872 00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:39,681 Yeah, about that. 873 00:39:39,768 --> 00:39:42,771 Did they ever send you to work at the Elliston farm? 874 00:39:42,858 --> 00:39:44,207 Were you there? 875 00:39:45,731 --> 00:39:48,821 Lisbon, we're still friends, right? 876 00:39:48,908 --> 00:39:51,040 Why would you ask me that? 877 00:40:04,663 --> 00:40:05,664 Lisbon. 878 00:40:05,751 --> 00:40:08,188 - Hi, Jane. - What's up? 879 00:40:08,275 --> 00:40:09,711 I had something I wanted to tell you 880 00:40:09,798 --> 00:40:11,844 but I've had enough of this. Let me in, or else. 881 00:40:11,931 --> 00:40:13,323 - Or else what? - I don't know. 882 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:14,847 But you're not gonna like it. 883 00:40:14,934 --> 00:40:16,544 Hmm. 884 00:40:16,631 --> 00:40:18,416 Are we partners or what? 885 00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:22,637 Come in, partner. 886 00:40:32,865 --> 00:40:34,649 Wow. 887 00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:36,782 'What did you want to tell me?' 888 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,788 Visualize absolutely refuses 889 00:40:42,875 --> 00:40:45,268 to let us look at a membership list from 1988 890 00:40:45,355 --> 00:40:47,619 or any other year before or after. 891 00:40:47,706 --> 00:40:50,186 And since they're a recognized religious organization 892 00:40:50,273 --> 00:40:52,798 no judge will give us a warrant. 893 00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:55,235 If Red John was a member of Visualize in 1988 894 00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:56,236 we'll never know. 895 00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:57,977 Figures. 896 00:40:58,064 --> 00:40:59,674 Never mind. 897 00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:03,591 We know that Red John was at Elliston farm in 1988. 898 00:41:03,678 --> 00:41:06,115 That is a huge leap forward, Lisbon. Huge. 899 00:41:06,202 --> 00:41:07,160 How so? 900 00:41:09,771 --> 00:41:13,427 I recalled all the names of the 2,164 people 901 00:41:13,514 --> 00:41:15,734 that I met and shook hands 902 00:41:15,821 --> 00:41:18,911 with since Red John murdered my family. 903 00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:21,522 I might have missed one or two, but not many. 904 00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:25,918 807 of those names were women. 905 00:41:26,005 --> 00:41:27,833 And Red John's probably not a woman. 906 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,750 Another 949 were men that I had brief encounters 907 00:41:31,837 --> 00:41:34,840 with that I never saw or heard from again. 908 00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:38,539 That leaves 408 names. 909 00:41:38,626 --> 00:41:43,979 And Elliston farm will exclude a whole bunch more. 910 00:41:44,066 --> 00:41:45,851 I'm getting close, Lisbon. 911 00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:48,636 - I'm getting very close. - Tell me some of the names. 912 00:41:48,723 --> 00:41:51,030 There's gotta be some that are at the top of the list. 913 00:41:51,117 --> 00:41:52,771 Sure. 914 00:41:52,858 --> 00:41:54,686 There's some interesting names. 915 00:41:54,773 --> 00:41:56,514 Well, tell me.