1 00:00:09,968 --> 00:00:13,178 -The national spotlight is now focused on Orlando. 2 00:00:13,221 --> 00:00:16,521 -It's happening... the most closely watched case 3 00:00:16,558 --> 00:00:19,518 maybe ever, or certainly since O.J. Simpson. 4 00:00:19,561 --> 00:00:23,361 -In the court of public opinion, Casey was already guilty. 5 00:00:25,233 --> 00:00:29,203 -As difficult as it may be for anyone to accept 6 00:00:29,237 --> 00:00:31,197 that a mother would intentionally 7 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:32,869 kill her own child, 8 00:00:32,907 --> 00:00:35,617 there is no other conclusion. 9 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:41,210 -This case was full of purported evidence against Casey. 10 00:00:41,249 --> 00:00:43,709 -Evidence of duct tape found over the mouth 11 00:00:43,752 --> 00:00:45,212 of the child's skull, 12 00:00:45,253 --> 00:00:46,883 high levels of chloroform found 13 00:00:46,921 --> 00:00:48,881 in the trunk of Casey's car. 14 00:00:48,923 --> 00:00:52,223 -But when they did some testing on the remains, 15 00:00:52,260 --> 00:00:55,260 no chloroform was found, no drugs. 16 00:00:55,305 --> 00:00:59,055 There was no DNA at all on the duct tape. 17 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:02,480 -It appeared to be that she was behaving incorrectly. 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,770 -They say she went to clubs, got her nails done, 19 00:01:04,814 --> 00:01:07,484 got a tattoo that said "Good life." 20 00:01:07,525 --> 00:01:09,565 -During the 31 days, I genuinely believed 21 00:01:09,611 --> 00:01:11,361 that Caylee was still alive. 22 00:01:11,404 --> 00:01:14,624 My father kept telling me she was okay. 23 00:01:14,657 --> 00:01:17,907 I just had to keep following his instructions. 24 00:01:17,952 --> 00:01:19,582 It was like I was brainwashed. 25 00:01:19,621 --> 00:01:22,211 And it wasn't until much later 26 00:01:22,248 --> 00:01:25,378 that I started to really realize why. 27 00:01:25,418 --> 00:01:28,208 I wasn't the only one home. 28 00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:29,774 I'm not outright accusing him of murder, 29 00:01:29,798 --> 00:01:33,588 but it wasn't an accident in the pool. 30 00:01:59,369 --> 00:02:02,289 -After 19 days of testimony, the prosecution rests 31 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:03,960 in their case against Casey Anthony. 32 00:02:03,998 --> 00:02:07,088 -They announced this afternoon that there would be a verdict. 33 00:02:09,337 --> 00:02:11,667 -My life was literally hanging by a thread 34 00:02:11,715 --> 00:02:12,875 at that point. 35 00:02:12,924 --> 00:02:18,144 My potential of any kind of future hinged on 36 00:02:18,179 --> 00:02:20,719 the decision that those 12 people made. 37 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:36,780 I don't... I'm rarely at a loss for words. 38 00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:39,533 This is... This is one of those moments. 39 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:43,618 I can't describe to you how it feels 40 00:02:43,663 --> 00:02:47,583 except to say I wouldn't wish this upon my worst enemy. 41 00:02:47,625 --> 00:02:49,335 I wouldn't wish this upon any of the people 42 00:02:49,377 --> 00:02:51,063 who were trying to kill me or any of the people 43 00:02:51,087 --> 00:02:53,524 who would be watching this and still thinking that I'm guilty. 44 00:02:53,548 --> 00:02:56,338 I wouldn't wish this upon anyone, ever. 45 00:02:56,384 --> 00:02:58,474 That's how bad it is. 46 00:02:58,511 --> 00:03:02,021 This is what hell feels like, is what I was put through 47 00:03:02,057 --> 00:03:03,557 for those three years. 48 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:09,562 -Let's return the jury. 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,530 Madam clerk, you may publish the verdicts. 50 00:03:18,948 --> 00:03:22,038 As to the charge of first-degree murder, 51 00:03:22,077 --> 00:03:23,697 we, the jury, find the defendant 52 00:03:23,745 --> 00:03:25,705 not guilty. 53 00:03:29,417 --> 00:03:33,247 As to the charge of aggravated child abuse, 54 00:03:33,296 --> 00:03:34,916 we, the jury, find the defendant 55 00:03:34,964 --> 00:03:36,884 not guilty. 56 00:03:40,011 --> 00:03:41,471 -When that verdict was read, 57 00:03:41,513 --> 00:03:44,603 we have this massive team embrace. 58 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:49,559 They saved my life. 59 00:03:49,604 --> 00:03:53,404 After three years of dread and sadness, 60 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:57,401 finally, they proved my innocence. 61 00:04:01,324 --> 00:04:03,584 -That was the beginning of Casey's 62 00:04:03,618 --> 00:04:07,328 carefully constructed coping mechanisms 63 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,252 just cracking and slowly falling apart. 64 00:04:10,291 --> 00:04:13,591 That hug that Dorothy Clay Sims gave her 65 00:04:13,628 --> 00:04:16,548 of love and comfort and support, 66 00:04:16,589 --> 00:04:19,589 she allowed that and needed it 67 00:04:19,634 --> 00:04:22,014 and knew she needed it. 68 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:27,852 -I just lost control and just began sobbing. 69 00:04:27,892 --> 00:04:31,982 It was such a relief. Such a relief. 70 00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:35,777 Even though the jury came back with a not guilty verdict, 71 00:04:35,817 --> 00:04:37,777 we were really afraid for her life. 72 00:04:37,819 --> 00:04:40,359 We were all looking at each other saying, 73 00:04:40,405 --> 00:04:41,945 "Oh, my God, now what do we do?" 74 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:44,580 -We know how the court of public opinion feels about this. 75 00:04:44,617 --> 00:04:47,447 Lot of people feel very surprised by this verdict. 76 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:51,461 -Casey's a murderer! 77 00:04:51,499 --> 00:04:53,959 -They will kill Casey if they had a chance. 78 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:57,092 -Casey Anthony's defense lawyers reported several death threats 79 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:59,420 against her, including an image that showed her 80 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:00,836 with a bullet through her head. 81 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:05,680 -We were all getting so many death threats. 82 00:05:05,722 --> 00:05:08,062 They were talking about my children. 83 00:05:08,099 --> 00:05:11,229 We knew we had to get the hell out of Dodge. 84 00:05:12,562 --> 00:05:14,812 We needed to escape. 85 00:05:39,214 --> 00:05:41,594 I rented a house in the Panhandle, 86 00:05:41,633 --> 00:05:45,053 and I collected Casey. 87 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:49,885 And we went into this rental house, and Pat was there. 88 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:52,233 -I've been doing this as a private investigator 89 00:05:52,268 --> 00:05:53,518 38 years. 90 00:05:53,561 --> 00:05:55,481 Done a lot of high-profile cases. 91 00:05:55,522 --> 00:05:58,112 I was a bodyguard for Yoko Ono. 92 00:06:00,568 --> 00:06:03,528 The media was burying this girl. 93 00:06:03,571 --> 00:06:06,871 There were a lot of death threats to her. 94 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:10,788 It was just out of control, and so I sensed that 95 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:14,209 it would get worse if we didn't have a plan. 96 00:06:14,249 --> 00:06:17,539 So now I'm, like, all-in, right? 97 00:06:17,585 --> 00:06:19,625 I don't know, maybe it's the Marine in me. 98 00:06:19,671 --> 00:06:20,881 I want to fight. We don't leave 99 00:06:20,922 --> 00:06:23,722 the wounded behind after battle. 100 00:06:25,593 --> 00:06:28,683 She had been convicted of lying to the police, 101 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:30,972 which is a felony, and I knew we had to 102 00:06:31,016 --> 00:06:33,136 get her through a year of probation. 103 00:06:33,184 --> 00:06:37,024 It hit me that there was really no good plan for her. 104 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:40,783 -We didn't know where she should go, where she should live. 105 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:42,937 I was, at the time, decided I was leaving the country 106 00:06:42,986 --> 00:06:46,066 and moving to France, and I had considered 107 00:06:46,114 --> 00:06:48,244 having her stay with us. It didn't occur to me 108 00:06:48,283 --> 00:06:51,123 that she couldn't get a passport because of a felony conviction. 109 00:06:51,161 --> 00:06:53,871 So she couldn't leave the country. 110 00:06:57,917 --> 00:06:59,627 -Do you need another water or are you good? 111 00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:00,896 You gonna grab one? - I'm gonna get one 112 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,840 out of the fridge. - Okay. 113 00:07:05,467 --> 00:07:07,587 Here. For you. - Get one of these. 114 00:07:07,635 --> 00:07:08,755 Thank you. 115 00:07:08,803 --> 00:07:10,853 -Pat McKenna took in Casey 116 00:07:10,889 --> 00:07:13,309 when everybody else stepped away. 117 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:14,680 -I got napkins in the cabinet. 118 00:07:14,726 --> 00:07:17,186 - Coffee-stained napkins. - I don't care, I recycle. 119 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:20,108 -Frankly, our job was done as the lawyers. 120 00:07:20,148 --> 00:07:24,278 You don't take care of someone after the trial is over, 121 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,149 but he did. 122 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:35,209 -Yeah, you sit in the shade. I'll sit in the sun. 123 00:07:37,665 --> 00:07:40,205 -I'm using my fingers. 124 00:07:41,961 --> 00:07:44,881 -With the approval of my family, 125 00:07:44,923 --> 00:07:46,593 I brought her to my house. 126 00:07:46,633 --> 00:07:48,643 Everybody agreed, and I said I'd, you know, 127 00:07:48,677 --> 00:07:51,597 provide a year's worth of safety for this kid. 128 00:07:51,638 --> 00:07:54,468 -You're still allergic to bees, right? 129 00:07:54,516 --> 00:07:55,846 -Yeah, why? 130 00:07:55,892 --> 00:07:57,982 - There are bees. - Oh, they don't bother me. 131 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:05,820 -Being a sole practitioner, I'm a one-man band. 132 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:08,490 I do my own filing. I'm surrounded by files. 133 00:08:08,530 --> 00:08:09,990 My house is a mess. 134 00:08:10,031 --> 00:08:13,241 And she's very organized, and so I saw that she could 135 00:08:13,284 --> 00:08:15,334 really help me out. 136 00:08:15,370 --> 00:08:19,080 I felt like she needed to do something. 137 00:08:20,083 --> 00:08:22,343 -I wonder if that's the one that 138 00:08:22,377 --> 00:08:24,167 they used after I made adjustments to mine, 139 00:08:24,212 --> 00:08:25,898 because I red-lined a couple things initially. 140 00:08:25,922 --> 00:08:27,592 - Oh, really? - But most of the appearance 141 00:08:27,632 --> 00:08:29,682 releases are standard. 142 00:08:29,718 --> 00:08:30,838 -I don't know. 143 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:33,135 -Casey lived with Pat. 144 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:38,349 I mean, she no longer does, but for a long time. 145 00:08:38,393 --> 00:08:41,943 -So, this is an album I made you a couple years ago. 146 00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:44,150 I have so many photos. - Mm-hmm. 147 00:08:44,190 --> 00:08:47,070 My favorite picture... 148 00:08:47,110 --> 00:08:49,320 I will never not laugh at this. 149 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:52,242 In all the photos, you're always... 150 00:08:52,282 --> 00:08:56,042 Pat offered to let me stay at his house for nothing 151 00:08:56,077 --> 00:08:59,327 until I figured out what my plan was going to be. 152 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:01,832 -I'm pretty sure that was your 67th. I could look. 153 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:03,705 He's the guy that would walk me down the aisle 154 00:09:03,752 --> 00:09:06,052 if I was ever dumb enough to get married. 155 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:09,047 He's the closest thing to a real dad that I've ever had. 156 00:09:10,091 --> 00:09:13,761 -So, we became very close quickly. 157 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:19,385 She's been in my family for, what, 158 00:09:19,434 --> 00:09:21,904 11 years going strong, so... 159 00:09:21,936 --> 00:09:26,566 This is my little group, and we've had her for, 160 00:09:26,608 --> 00:09:30,148 you know, all holidays, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving. 161 00:09:30,195 --> 00:09:32,525 You know, and then just Sunday dinners. 162 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:34,992 You know, she's become part of our whole extended 163 00:09:35,033 --> 00:09:37,243 group of people, family and friends. 164 00:09:38,703 --> 00:09:44,083 When I took Casey in, one of the rules was no photos 165 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:48,045 so that it wouldn't get out to the media where Casey was. 166 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:52,548 But, you know, she's got more of a family here 167 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:56,932 than she ever had in Orlando, in Ohio, or wherever. 168 00:09:56,971 --> 00:09:59,271 She became like a daughter. 169 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:10,151 -He taught her how to be a person and live her life. 170 00:10:10,193 --> 00:10:16,743 She engaged in deep therapy, and the relationship 171 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:19,953 that you built with her, 172 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:24,874 you had to move slowly because there were obvious trust issues. 173 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:28,286 Not specific to anyone, but specific to everyone. 174 00:10:28,336 --> 00:10:32,416 She didn't have anyone. She was on her own. 175 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,875 She felt hurt and betrayed. 176 00:10:34,926 --> 00:10:38,136 She had everyone she considered a friend 177 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:40,929 sharing with the world every uncomfortable 178 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:42,854 and embarrassing moment 179 00:10:42,892 --> 00:10:46,152 or conversation that she ever had. 180 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:47,832 -I always thought of myself as a pretty good 181 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:50,026 judge of character, and, you know, 182 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:53,026 she completely fooled all of us. 183 00:10:55,447 --> 00:11:02,197 There is absolutely nothing that Casey could ever say to anybody 184 00:11:02,245 --> 00:11:05,365 that is going to make me believe that she wasn't 185 00:11:05,415 --> 00:11:11,875 in some way responsible or involved with Caylee's death. 186 00:11:11,921 --> 00:11:14,171 -So, the lies make it hard 187 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:17,545 to not think that she did murder this child. 188 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:21,814 -When the story broke and the nanny's name got dropped, 189 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:24,728 Zanny the Nanny, I stood up and said, 190 00:11:24,768 --> 00:11:27,938 "She was using Xanax to babysit her kid." 191 00:11:27,979 --> 00:11:34,189 I fully believe that Caylee was overdosed with Xanax. 192 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:35,815 -Did you ever give Xanax to Caylee? 193 00:11:35,862 --> 00:11:37,862 -No, I never gave Caylee anything 194 00:11:37,906 --> 00:11:40,116 other than cold medicine when she had a cold. 195 00:11:40,158 --> 00:11:42,198 That was some concocted bullshit story, 196 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:44,873 whether by the media or someone affiliated. 197 00:11:44,913 --> 00:11:46,373 There trying to piece things together 198 00:11:46,414 --> 00:11:50,004 that don't fit into anything because they don't exist. 199 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:52,093 None of that is real. 200 00:11:52,128 --> 00:11:55,838 -I never saw Casey with Xanax. 201 00:11:55,882 --> 00:12:00,352 I never saw her give Caylee any Xanax. 202 00:12:00,387 --> 00:12:07,137 But just the fact that Zanny the Nanny was said, 203 00:12:07,185 --> 00:12:10,105 just sent a lightbulb off in my head. 204 00:12:11,981 --> 00:12:15,901 Two of the people that I feel the worst for 205 00:12:15,944 --> 00:12:18,074 is Cindy and George. 206 00:12:18,113 --> 00:12:21,033 George and I exchanged a couple e-mails. 207 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:23,284 I couldn't even begin to understand 208 00:12:23,326 --> 00:12:27,956 what it would be like to not only lose your grandchild, 209 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:32,037 but to lose your child at the same time, too. 210 00:12:34,045 --> 00:12:35,585 -If Casey's even watching this someday, 211 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:39,180 yeah, I blame my daughter for Caylee not being here today. 212 00:12:39,217 --> 00:12:42,257 -And you blamed her then and you blame her today? 213 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:43,473 -Yes, sir, I do. 214 00:12:43,513 --> 00:12:45,273 I do. 215 00:12:45,306 --> 00:12:47,676 -And you all disagree about that? 216 00:12:47,726 --> 00:12:49,936 -We do. 217 00:12:49,978 --> 00:12:52,148 -What happened with my father was irreparable, 218 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:55,278 and that's how I felt about my mom also. 219 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:58,276 It's been the same pattern now for 11 years. 220 00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:00,109 My parents, being in the public eye, 221 00:13:00,155 --> 00:13:03,775 throw me under the bus for money. 222 00:13:03,825 --> 00:13:05,445 -What do you think really happened? 223 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:08,083 -My gut feeling inside, I believe 224 00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:10,291 Caylee was given something and she didn't wake up. 225 00:13:10,331 --> 00:13:13,461 -Do you think she intentionally wanted to kill Caylee? 226 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:15,341 -I don't think she intentionally wanted to. 227 00:13:15,378 --> 00:13:17,088 - Okay, then that... - I don't think she 228 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:20,260 intentionally wanted to, but she should be in jail 229 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,970 because of Caylee not being here. 230 00:13:24,387 --> 00:13:27,347 -I want to think he doesn't have the power to hurt me anymore, 231 00:13:27,390 --> 00:13:30,190 but he still does. 232 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:32,896 And this was years ago, 233 00:13:32,937 --> 00:13:35,317 this interview. 234 00:13:35,357 --> 00:13:37,937 One of many that he and my mother did separately 235 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,994 and together for money. 236 00:13:41,029 --> 00:13:43,029 For money. 237 00:13:43,073 --> 00:13:45,703 Throw me under the bus for money. 238 00:13:45,742 --> 00:13:47,162 Why? 239 00:13:47,202 --> 00:13:51,412 Why exploit the situation any more than it has been? 240 00:13:55,168 --> 00:13:58,418 I lost everything the day I lost her. 241 00:14:01,049 --> 00:14:02,469 Everything. 242 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:07,349 And it doesn't matter what I've done in between 243 00:14:07,389 --> 00:14:09,679 in the life I try to live, 244 00:14:09,724 --> 00:14:13,404 and how good I try to be. 245 00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:16,356 Every day, I live with a broken heart. 246 00:14:18,983 --> 00:14:21,193 I want to know why. 247 00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:26,203 I want to know why she was taken out of my arms. 248 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:27,911 Why didn't he call 911? 249 00:14:27,951 --> 00:14:30,541 I wasn't the only one that was home. 250 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,330 Why? 251 00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:38,381 And why, after all this time, 252 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:42,260 keep blaming me for something I didn't do? 253 00:14:44,592 --> 00:14:47,142 Why? 254 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:00,398 -It's literally right here. 255 00:15:00,442 --> 00:15:06,662 -Yes, and recently opened as a small kind of a goth bar. 256 00:15:07,991 --> 00:15:11,581 -Casey's someone who's like family. 257 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:16,249 I've had the opportunity to see her, through therapy 258 00:15:16,291 --> 00:15:19,251 and through long-term friendships and love 259 00:15:19,294 --> 00:15:23,174 and support, become this warm, loving, 260 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:28,354 trusting, hilarious person that I know today. 261 00:15:28,386 --> 00:15:29,780 -You're not gonna let me get this either, are you? 262 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:31,144 - No. - Ugh, fine. 263 00:15:31,181 --> 00:15:32,771 -I've never asked her about 264 00:15:32,807 --> 00:15:35,267 what occurred with Caylee. 265 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:37,480 I know what her experience has been, vaguely, 266 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,980 but in terms of digging into the details of it, 267 00:15:43,026 --> 00:15:50,946 I've always given her space and I respect her boundaries. 268 00:15:50,992 --> 00:15:57,582 She's been through so, so much that it's not my place 269 00:15:57,624 --> 00:15:59,464 to do anything but love and support her 270 00:15:59,501 --> 00:16:02,501 and give her space to tell her story 271 00:16:02,545 --> 00:16:07,545 in the time that she feels comfortable doing that. 272 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:13,680 -I never spoke to Casey about her theory 273 00:16:13,723 --> 00:16:15,813 of what happened to Caylee. 274 00:16:15,850 --> 00:16:17,310 I never pushed. 275 00:16:17,352 --> 00:16:20,652 I'm trying to provide a safe environment for this kid. 276 00:16:20,689 --> 00:16:24,319 Hopefully, make sure she don't implode because she can... 277 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:26,319 I always thought, you know, 278 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:29,661 who knows what could happen to her? 279 00:16:29,698 --> 00:16:31,368 -I know that hearing some of this 280 00:16:31,408 --> 00:16:33,488 is going to make them hurt, too, 281 00:16:33,535 --> 00:16:36,445 because they're going to feel my pain. 282 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:41,844 And that more than anything is the main reason 283 00:16:41,876 --> 00:16:43,666 I haven't talked about it. 284 00:16:55,265 --> 00:16:59,095 I put my memories into boxes. 285 00:16:59,144 --> 00:17:02,314 It protected me, but also was holding me back 286 00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:06,525 from really dealing with things. 287 00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:10,156 In this process of some of those boxes, 288 00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:14,406 I had to forcibly pull down off of a shelf and unlock. 289 00:17:16,327 --> 00:17:19,157 I have to rip my life back open. 290 00:17:20,874 --> 00:17:26,804 And when I finally was able to start to explore each of them, 291 00:17:26,838 --> 00:17:32,718 no matter how painful or how hurtful the gaps in my memory, 292 00:17:32,761 --> 00:17:36,101 it allowed me to work through some of that. 293 00:17:38,641 --> 00:17:42,401 But now it's all been knocked around on the floor. 294 00:17:42,437 --> 00:17:44,807 And I have to feel that deepest sorrow, 295 00:17:44,856 --> 00:17:47,396 and I'm grieving all over again. 296 00:17:51,237 --> 00:17:53,027 There are just answers I don't have. 297 00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:56,283 And that's been one of the hardest pieces of all of this, 298 00:17:56,326 --> 00:17:57,906 is still not knowing. 299 00:18:04,459 --> 00:18:07,879 My father promised me that I could come home from this place. 300 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:11,859 I'm remembering him coming and visiting me. 301 00:18:11,883 --> 00:18:14,263 I remember him promising me that I would come home. 302 00:18:14,302 --> 00:18:15,852 I'm remembering him promise me 303 00:18:15,887 --> 00:18:17,281 that everything was going to be okay, 304 00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:18,805 that Caylee was going to be okay. 305 00:18:18,848 --> 00:18:22,098 I'm remembering every fucking day that I spent here. 306 00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:31,148 I still need the same answers that I needed then. 307 00:18:31,194 --> 00:18:33,494 I need to know why all of this happened in the first place 308 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:36,620 and why he pinned it all in me. 309 00:18:36,658 --> 00:18:38,618 -I walked into your room last night 310 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:41,410 and just looked around and had a couple 311 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:43,294 extra little prayers and just said, you know, 312 00:18:43,331 --> 00:18:44,921 "You're coming home soon, sweetheart." 313 00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:49,878 Caylee's gonna be home soon, so you can be that family again. 314 00:18:59,681 --> 00:19:01,401 He's telling me that I was coming home soon. 315 00:19:01,433 --> 00:19:02,813 It would all be over soon. 316 00:19:02,851 --> 00:19:05,351 I just had to keep following his instructions. 317 00:19:05,395 --> 00:19:09,565 He told me what he thought I wanted to hear, 318 00:19:09,607 --> 00:19:11,210 that he was supporting me, that I was coming home, 319 00:19:11,234 --> 00:19:12,744 that everything would be okay. 320 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:14,817 And on national television, acting like he was 321 00:19:14,863 --> 00:19:17,073 supporting me, coming to the jail prior to that, 322 00:19:17,115 --> 00:19:18,525 prior to me ever being indicted. 323 00:19:18,575 --> 00:19:21,405 -I don't believe my daughter could hurt anyone. 324 00:19:21,453 --> 00:19:24,963 -Why do you think she was arrested and charged, George? 325 00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:27,748 -Because like Cindy said, they had their mind made up. 326 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:30,342 It was just too easy for them to just close the book on this 327 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:32,338 and say, "Well, we're gonna charge you 328 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:34,170 with your daughter's disappearance" 329 00:19:34,215 --> 00:19:36,175 and just be done with it. 330 00:19:36,217 --> 00:19:37,903 -In this interview, my father is telling the truth 331 00:19:37,927 --> 00:19:42,767 of my innocence, that law enforcement went after me. 332 00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:45,347 But yet he testified in front of the grand jury 333 00:19:45,393 --> 00:19:48,523 almost two months before this. 334 00:19:48,563 --> 00:19:52,073 -Florida grand jury indicted Casey Anthony on charges 335 00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:53,778 of first-degree murder. 336 00:19:53,818 --> 00:19:57,028 Among those called to testify before the 19-member grand jury 337 00:19:57,072 --> 00:20:01,372 Tuesday was George Anthony, Casey's father. 338 00:20:01,409 --> 00:20:03,579 -I found out that my father had testified against me 339 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:07,870 at the grand jury on October 14th, 340 00:20:07,916 --> 00:20:11,376 the same day that the grand jury was convened. 341 00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:13,709 Besides law enforcement, the only 342 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:17,255 non-law enforcement-affiliated individual to be called 343 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,510 to testify was my father, and he was their first witness. 344 00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:24,813 -This is going to be very hard for me to do. 345 00:20:24,849 --> 00:20:26,979 My focus is always on my granddaughter. 346 00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:30,268 It always will be. 347 00:20:30,313 --> 00:20:32,323 -I thought it was very interesting 348 00:20:32,357 --> 00:20:36,107 they chose to put George before the grand jury. 349 00:20:36,152 --> 00:20:37,402 We don't know what he said. 350 00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:39,485 We'll never get to know what he said. 351 00:20:39,531 --> 00:20:41,451 That's confidential, so we have no idea 352 00:20:41,491 --> 00:20:43,411 what they talked to him about. 353 00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:44,911 But we know they wound up 354 00:20:44,953 --> 00:20:49,583 with an indictment to charge her with first-degree murder. 355 00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:51,334 -At that point, did you have any idea 356 00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:54,206 that your father was going to testify against you in that way? 357 00:20:54,254 --> 00:20:56,014 -No. 358 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:03,099 There were moments and instances that I knew something was off 359 00:21:03,138 --> 00:21:04,949 and I knew something was wrong, and the promises 360 00:21:04,973 --> 00:21:07,433 that he was making, he wasn't keeping. 361 00:21:07,475 --> 00:21:09,635 But after the indictment, 362 00:21:09,686 --> 00:21:13,606 I was able to listen to his interviews with law enforcement. 363 00:21:13,648 --> 00:21:15,438 Just before I was initially arrested, 364 00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:18,403 my father talked to investigators. 365 00:21:18,445 --> 00:21:20,235 -He talked to me at the car as I was 366 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,870 at the end of the driveway. 367 00:21:21,906 --> 00:21:25,616 I noted in my report what he'd said. 368 00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:28,620 -He said I withheld information. 369 00:21:28,663 --> 00:21:30,873 -I interviewed George and I remember him 370 00:21:30,915 --> 00:21:34,585 just going on and on about what a liar Casey was. 371 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,457 Don't believe anything she tells you. 372 00:21:37,505 --> 00:21:38,733 It took me a while. I said, "George, 373 00:21:38,757 --> 00:21:40,547 do you understand my role here? 374 00:21:40,592 --> 00:21:42,012 I'm trying to help your daughter. 375 00:21:42,052 --> 00:21:43,352 She's looking at death." 376 00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:46,426 "Well, you can't believe anything she says." 377 00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:08,785 He's playing on his ex-cop persona. 378 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:12,538 "Guys, we are all in this together. 379 00:22:12,582 --> 00:22:13,976 We're in this together." Meaning "we," 380 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,540 "I'm an ex-cop. We're all in this together." 381 00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:25,804 "It's a puzzle. 382 00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:27,595 There are just some pieces missing. 383 00:22:27,639 --> 00:22:29,349 We got to get these pieces." 384 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:32,351 George is kind of leading this interview, 385 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:33,984 and it's like, "You're the fucking 386 00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:36,020 missing piece, George. 387 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:56,500 -I was 22. I was a scared kid. 388 00:22:56,543 --> 00:22:58,593 I'm not scared anymore. Now I'm angry. 389 00:22:58,628 --> 00:23:03,218 I've reverted from that scared place to now, 390 00:23:03,258 --> 00:23:08,428 over the years, my anger just builds. 391 00:23:08,471 --> 00:23:11,431 The same man who would immediately go and report 392 00:23:11,474 --> 00:23:14,194 to law enforcement after he met with me. 393 00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:15,557 But yet on national television, 394 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:17,363 acting like he was supporting me. 395 00:23:17,397 --> 00:23:20,227 -Do 100% believe your daughter? 396 00:23:20,275 --> 00:23:22,185 - Yes, I do. - George, what about you? 397 00:23:22,235 --> 00:23:26,025 100%? - 100%. 398 00:23:26,072 --> 00:23:29,992 -Manipulation after manipulation after manipulation. 399 00:23:32,787 --> 00:23:36,957 But somehow he got cleared by law enforcement from day one. 400 00:23:38,543 --> 00:23:40,553 -Was there ever any other suspect? 401 00:23:40,587 --> 00:23:43,377 Not just looking at Casey, right? 402 00:23:43,423 --> 00:23:46,763 -I mean, the first thing you have to do 403 00:23:46,801 --> 00:23:48,511 when you're investigating a missing child 404 00:23:48,553 --> 00:23:50,603 is go to the people that have custody care, 405 00:23:50,638 --> 00:23:52,058 custody and control over the child. 406 00:23:52,098 --> 00:23:55,188 As far as any other suspects, the family. 407 00:23:55,226 --> 00:23:58,186 You're always looking at the family. 408 00:23:58,229 --> 00:24:00,359 Cindy would always talk to you. 409 00:24:00,398 --> 00:24:02,608 Lee was much more reserved, as I recall. 410 00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:06,530 But George always tried to help. 411 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:08,241 I mean, they all gave us timelines. 412 00:24:08,281 --> 00:24:12,451 Casey obviously was the last person with the victim. 413 00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:18,959 Well, that's what George had reported to us. 414 00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:28,258 -Did it trouble you that it was only George? 415 00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:33,851 You had no other witness for when Casey left with Caylee? 416 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:36,230 -Would that, in my mind, make him... 417 00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:37,557 Immediately make him a suspect 418 00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:39,102 because he's one of the last people 419 00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:42,015 that that sees the two together? 420 00:24:42,065 --> 00:24:45,735 You'd be remiss not to realize that as a possibility, 421 00:24:45,777 --> 00:24:47,797 but there was just nothing that led us down that road 422 00:24:47,821 --> 00:24:51,451 that George was responsible in any way 423 00:24:51,491 --> 00:24:53,661 for the death of the child. 424 00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:57,790 -There was an honesty in George. 425 00:24:57,831 --> 00:24:59,501 The same questions we were asking 426 00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:01,081 are questions that he was asking, 427 00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:03,796 and now we're asking him, and he's frustrated in the fact 428 00:25:03,837 --> 00:25:06,417 that he can't give us the answers. 429 00:25:15,473 --> 00:25:16,933 It's obvious that he wants to be 430 00:25:16,975 --> 00:25:19,845 the doting father or grandfather. 431 00:25:23,898 --> 00:25:26,228 Just the things he would say. It wasn't thought out 432 00:25:26,276 --> 00:25:28,566 before he would say it. 433 00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:42,331 He was certainly much more honest and open 434 00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:45,545 in the interview about Casey 435 00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:47,957 in terms of describing his own daughter. 436 00:25:53,762 --> 00:25:55,406 I don't want to say you take advantage of those things, 437 00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:57,560 but you use them to your advantage 438 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,689 in trying to get information. - Yeah. 439 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:03,557 -Everything that we found about George was that 440 00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:06,565 he was a loving grandfather, and I think he was a man 441 00:26:06,608 --> 00:26:10,148 that was dealing with a lot of things. 442 00:26:15,367 --> 00:26:17,737 -I talked to John Allen. 443 00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:19,263 You know, when I asked him about George, 444 00:26:19,287 --> 00:26:21,037 why wasn't George a suspect, 445 00:26:21,081 --> 00:26:23,171 it's the same answer as Eric Edwards, 446 00:26:23,208 --> 00:26:24,918 same answer as Scott Bolin. 447 00:26:24,959 --> 00:26:26,799 "He was a good guy. Such a good guy. 448 00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:31,126 He's a good granddad. He loved his grandchild." 449 00:26:31,174 --> 00:26:35,144 -Yeah. What proof did you have of that? 450 00:26:35,178 --> 00:26:36,758 When there's a murder, 451 00:26:36,805 --> 00:26:39,845 everybody's a suspect till you eliminate people. 452 00:26:39,891 --> 00:26:44,691 You don't eliminate a guy 'cause he's a good guy, okay? 453 00:26:46,147 --> 00:26:49,477 They believed everything out of his mouth, that she's a liar. 454 00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:53,066 They found out she's a liar, so I think they viewed George 455 00:26:53,113 --> 00:26:54,913 as rather than just be a witness, 456 00:26:54,948 --> 00:26:57,238 he's, like, in on that with them, you know? 457 00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:59,993 Be the mentality is, 458 00:27:00,036 --> 00:27:01,906 "We got our girl. We're not looking 459 00:27:01,955 --> 00:27:06,875 in any other place because it doesn't fit our story." 460 00:27:16,344 --> 00:27:17,764 -She became a pariah, 461 00:27:17,804 --> 00:27:20,104 one of the nation's most despised women. 462 00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:25,770 -I cannot believe that Casey Anthony still has friends. 463 00:27:25,812 --> 00:27:29,442 -I've avoided so much of what is in the media, 464 00:27:29,482 --> 00:27:30,942 but Pat's had a Google alert on me 465 00:27:30,984 --> 00:27:34,744 since just after I moved in. And I forget, 466 00:27:34,779 --> 00:27:40,449 it was some blog years ago, maybe 2013, 2014, 467 00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:43,663 and this woman, of her own volition, 468 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:45,575 went back and started looking at stuff. 469 00:27:45,623 --> 00:27:50,423 And that was one of those things that that blog... 470 00:27:50,462 --> 00:27:53,422 Her... 471 00:27:53,465 --> 00:27:58,795 her reasonably unbiased view of the case 472 00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:01,675 helped me piece some of it together. 473 00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:09,021 -My name is Kristen Patton. I'm a citizen journalist. 474 00:28:09,064 --> 00:28:12,824 I love studying court cases. I love acquittals especially. 475 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:14,939 You have this idea that it's one way, 476 00:28:14,986 --> 00:28:16,696 and then you find out that the jury 477 00:28:16,738 --> 00:28:19,368 saw it completely different, and the Casey Anthony case 478 00:28:19,407 --> 00:28:22,617 was just so unbelievable. 479 00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:24,370 I just kind of fell down that rabbit hole 480 00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:25,962 of I have to solve this case. 481 00:28:25,997 --> 00:28:29,417 I have to figure out what really happened to Caylee Anthony. 482 00:28:30,835 --> 00:28:33,955 As I was researching this case, I was trying to get just 483 00:28:34,005 --> 00:28:36,755 some idea of how George felt about things. 484 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,010 And the thing that I noticed first is that every time 485 00:28:39,052 --> 00:28:41,552 that I would get one opinion about... 486 00:28:41,596 --> 00:28:43,716 That George had said, I would find some other 487 00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:45,725 statement that contradicted that. 488 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:47,787 He's telling the media that the car smells like a pizza. 489 00:28:47,811 --> 00:28:49,246 But then he's going to the police and telling them 490 00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:50,900 that Casey's guilty and he's telling them 491 00:28:50,939 --> 00:28:54,069 that there's human decomposition in the trunk. 492 00:28:54,109 --> 00:28:57,569 And this is something that nobody ever noticed. 493 00:28:57,612 --> 00:29:00,742 Why didn't the media notice the differences? 494 00:29:03,201 --> 00:29:06,041 Even during the trial, George claimed that he wanted 495 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:07,999 to help his daughter. 496 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,079 But when the prosecution put him on the stand, 497 00:29:11,126 --> 00:29:15,706 George was very clearly trying to build the prosecution's case. 498 00:29:15,755 --> 00:29:17,915 -Prosecutors painted Casey as a monster 499 00:29:17,966 --> 00:29:20,716 who murdered her daughter, lied at every turn, 500 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,140 and in the end, callously tossed away her remains. 501 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:28,390 George Anthony was the first witness on the stand. 502 00:29:28,435 --> 00:29:31,145 -George testified a handful of times. 503 00:29:33,148 --> 00:29:37,188 -There is George Anthony. He is back on the witness stand. 504 00:29:37,235 --> 00:29:39,695 -The prosecution wanted to say that there was a body 505 00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:41,948 in the trunk of her car, and George was the one 506 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:44,490 who was establishing that she didn't want anyone near her car. 507 00:29:44,534 --> 00:29:45,954 -I said, "Casey," I said, "I need to 508 00:29:45,994 --> 00:29:47,754 get something out of your car." 509 00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:50,787 Casey just brushes past me very quickly, says, 510 00:29:50,832 --> 00:29:52,542 "Dad, I'll get it. 511 00:29:52,584 --> 00:29:54,174 I'll get it out of the car." 512 00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:55,960 -He was the one who told the jurors 513 00:29:56,004 --> 00:29:59,474 that Casey had human decomposition in her car. 514 00:29:59,507 --> 00:30:01,587 -George and Cindy, although witnesses in the case, 515 00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:07,774 could remain in the courtroom as survivors of the victim. 516 00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:09,637 So George is in the back of the room, 517 00:30:09,684 --> 00:30:12,064 he listened to the testimony as it came in, 518 00:30:12,103 --> 00:30:15,483 then he got back up, went back to the stand, 519 00:30:15,523 --> 00:30:18,783 filled in blanks for the state. 520 00:30:18,818 --> 00:30:21,528 -It struck me as odd. He wasn't just a witness. 521 00:30:21,571 --> 00:30:23,951 He was the prosecution's key witness. 522 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:27,200 -Thank you, Mr. Anthony. You may resume your seat. 523 00:30:33,541 --> 00:30:34,961 -Did it surprise you that George 524 00:30:35,001 --> 00:30:39,881 took the stand against Casey so many times? 525 00:30:39,923 --> 00:30:43,433 -No, It doesn't surprise me that George took the stand 526 00:30:43,468 --> 00:30:45,508 as many times as he did. 527 00:30:45,553 --> 00:30:47,353 -You may proceed. 528 00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:52,889 -Would you ever testify against your child in any situation? 529 00:30:52,936 --> 00:30:55,856 -Yes, I would testify against my own child 530 00:30:55,897 --> 00:30:58,527 if I thought my child did something wrong. 531 00:30:58,566 --> 00:31:02,066 And the only reason why I believe that he did testify 532 00:31:02,112 --> 00:31:05,282 was because of the allegations that were made against him. 533 00:31:06,408 --> 00:31:12,458 -Have you ever sexually molested your daughter, 534 00:31:12,497 --> 00:31:14,997 Casey Anthony? 535 00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:16,881 -No, sir. 536 00:31:20,088 --> 00:31:24,878 -It was hard for me to believe the abuse allegation 537 00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:29,966 because of every other lie that she told us. 538 00:31:30,015 --> 00:31:33,055 -If there is no abuse, there's no explanation. 539 00:31:33,101 --> 00:31:35,231 But when we talk to the psychologists 540 00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:37,480 who deal with people who've been sexually abused 541 00:31:37,522 --> 00:31:39,822 from a small age by a parent, 542 00:31:39,858 --> 00:31:43,988 they describe a kind of a mind control 543 00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:47,029 that the parent has over that child. 544 00:31:47,073 --> 00:31:50,043 And they also describe a child that results 545 00:31:50,076 --> 00:31:53,956 who has the ability to go into these compartmentalize worlds, 546 00:31:53,997 --> 00:31:58,417 make them lock up the knowledge of one world, one reality, 547 00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:59,880 and move into another. 548 00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:02,089 And they often do that. 549 00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:03,630 They compartmentalize to the point 550 00:32:03,673 --> 00:32:05,593 where they seem like a compulsive liar. 551 00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:07,433 -Compulsive liar. 552 00:32:17,729 --> 00:32:20,769 I have to admit, 553 00:32:20,815 --> 00:32:22,935 that makes sense. 554 00:32:24,611 --> 00:32:26,651 That makes a lot of sense. 555 00:32:31,326 --> 00:32:32,486 -During the case, 556 00:32:32,535 --> 00:32:34,655 Lee, the brother, comes in one day, 557 00:32:34,704 --> 00:32:35,973 says, "Hey, I got some information, 558 00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:38,167 but I don't know if this is helpful." 559 00:32:38,208 --> 00:32:40,088 -Right before the end of the trial, 560 00:32:40,126 --> 00:32:42,916 Jose had talked to Lee and told him, 561 00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:46,422 "Lee, she could go to prison for the rest of her life." 562 00:32:46,466 --> 00:32:47,926 -Lee Anthony. 563 00:32:47,967 --> 00:32:50,507 -And then Lee called him and said, 564 00:32:50,553 --> 00:32:54,933 "I need to tell you about how our pets were buried." 565 00:32:54,974 --> 00:32:59,524 -Lee says, "When our family pets would die, 566 00:32:59,562 --> 00:33:03,152 Dad, George, would wrap the puppy in a blanket, 567 00:33:03,191 --> 00:33:07,991 put it in a trash bag, and duct tape the trash bag, 568 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:10,119 and we would bury the thing." 569 00:33:10,156 --> 00:33:12,486 Now we are going nuts on the defense going, 570 00:33:12,534 --> 00:33:14,704 "Of course George does that, and of course, 571 00:33:14,744 --> 00:33:18,374 this is how Caylee's found, in a trash bag with duct tape 572 00:33:18,415 --> 00:33:20,995 and wrapped in a blanket," the little Winnie the Pooh 573 00:33:21,042 --> 00:33:22,792 or whatever that came from the house. 574 00:33:22,836 --> 00:33:24,166 So we're, like, going, 575 00:33:24,212 --> 00:33:27,092 "George has something to do with something." 576 00:33:29,217 --> 00:33:32,847 Another part of George's interesting behavior, 577 00:33:32,887 --> 00:33:38,057 he conducts an affair with a woman during this whole fiasco. 578 00:33:38,101 --> 00:33:40,941 He has an affair with this woman, Krystal Holloway. 579 00:33:40,979 --> 00:33:43,109 -A woman who said she had an affair 580 00:33:43,148 --> 00:33:44,688 with Casey Anthony's father 581 00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:46,863 took the stand for the defense. 582 00:33:46,901 --> 00:33:48,361 -Do you know George Anthony? 583 00:33:48,403 --> 00:33:49,533 -Yes. 584 00:33:49,571 --> 00:33:51,201 -How do you know him? 585 00:33:51,239 --> 00:33:55,199 -I met him at a tent when his granddaughter was missing. 586 00:33:55,243 --> 00:33:57,873 -Did you develop a relationship with Mr. Anthony? 587 00:33:57,912 --> 00:33:59,752 -Yes, sir, I did. 588 00:33:59,789 --> 00:34:01,919 -She said to me, "I never asked George 589 00:34:01,958 --> 00:34:03,878 about what he's going through. 590 00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:06,918 I just felt bad for him." She felt bad for George, 591 00:34:06,963 --> 00:34:09,723 and he just started to unburden himself. 592 00:34:09,758 --> 00:34:13,138 -And I was sitting on the floor, 593 00:34:13,178 --> 00:34:16,098 and he had told me... He had said 594 00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:19,309 it was an accident that snowballed out of control. 595 00:34:19,351 --> 00:34:22,021 -And I think the jurors probably believed that. 596 00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:24,362 I think they found her to be a credible witness. 597 00:34:24,397 --> 00:34:26,857 I think her testimony definitely brought up questions 598 00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:30,110 about George and the way that he was acting. 599 00:34:30,153 --> 00:34:33,993 -Were you present in your home 600 00:34:34,032 --> 00:34:37,582 when Caylee Anthony died? 601 00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:41,249 -No, and when I heard that today, it's really bad, 602 00:34:41,289 --> 00:34:43,017 because if I would have known something would've happened 603 00:34:43,041 --> 00:34:45,961 to Caylee, we wouldn't be here today. 604 00:34:46,002 --> 00:34:47,422 -Based on the jury's statements, 605 00:34:47,462 --> 00:34:50,172 they definitely questioned George's involvement. 606 00:35:07,065 --> 00:35:09,145 The day of Caylee's disappearance, 607 00:35:09,192 --> 00:35:11,152 they felt like his story for that day 608 00:35:11,194 --> 00:35:12,454 was a little bit too perfect. 609 00:35:12,487 --> 00:35:14,048 You know, he was able to remember the exact 610 00:35:14,072 --> 00:35:15,452 color socks everyone was wearing. 611 00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:18,280 -I remember Caylee coming out from Casey's room 612 00:35:18,326 --> 00:35:20,116 dressed in a nice little pink top, 613 00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:21,451 she had her blue jeans, 614 00:35:21,496 --> 00:35:24,456 little shorts on, her white sandals, 615 00:35:24,499 --> 00:35:28,459 pink socks, white sunglasses, her hair pulled back. 616 00:35:28,503 --> 00:35:30,673 -You go back and you look at his other testimony. 617 00:35:30,714 --> 00:35:33,634 He couldn't remember things that he should have a memory of. 618 00:35:33,675 --> 00:35:36,925 -What did Cindy wear that day? 619 00:35:36,970 --> 00:35:38,470 -I have no idea. 620 00:35:38,513 --> 00:35:40,273 I couldn't tell you. 621 00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:41,492 -From the jurors' perspective, 622 00:35:41,516 --> 00:35:43,136 there are two suspects in this case. 623 00:35:43,184 --> 00:35:44,644 They were both not telling the truth 624 00:35:44,686 --> 00:35:46,516 about what happened that day. 625 00:35:46,563 --> 00:35:49,193 I didn't really understand why George was trying so hard 626 00:35:49,232 --> 00:35:51,112 to put his daughter on death row. 627 00:35:51,151 --> 00:35:53,281 -What was your impression of George? 628 00:35:53,319 --> 00:35:58,369 -You know, he's a former cop, and you could see that in him. 629 00:35:58,408 --> 00:36:02,908 You know, he was sort of not as emotional 630 00:36:02,954 --> 00:36:05,334 as you would expect someone to be in a situation like that, 631 00:36:05,373 --> 00:36:08,043 at least in my dealings with him, 632 00:36:08,084 --> 00:36:09,504 perhaps because he'd been around. 633 00:36:09,544 --> 00:36:11,134 You know, that was interesting to me. 634 00:36:11,171 --> 00:36:14,721 And then, of course, he had his secrets, too. 635 00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:16,444 -But I know it was 10 minutes to 1:00 because I was watching 636 00:36:16,468 --> 00:36:19,048 this Food Channel thing that I watch. 637 00:36:19,095 --> 00:36:22,095 -And it's your testimony that both. 638 00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:27,060 Casey and Caylee left the house at 12:50? 639 00:36:27,103 --> 00:36:30,233 -12:50 or shortly thereafter. Yes, sir. 640 00:36:32,692 --> 00:36:36,402 -Through the Public Records Act, we got the cellphone records. 641 00:36:36,446 --> 00:36:40,986 We were able to pinpoint where Casey's cellphone was 642 00:36:41,034 --> 00:36:43,124 pretty much all the time. 643 00:36:43,161 --> 00:36:46,461 On that day when George said she left with Caylee 644 00:36:46,498 --> 00:36:49,248 to go to work and visit the nanny, 645 00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:51,252 we could see that was not true. 646 00:36:51,294 --> 00:36:53,214 Our records show she was at or near that house 647 00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:56,554 that entire day until 4:11 in the afternoon 648 00:36:56,591 --> 00:36:59,641 when she left and headed toward Tony's apartment. 649 00:36:59,678 --> 00:37:02,138 We have the cell locations of where she was. 650 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,560 But to fill in the gaps, we have the computer records. 651 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,140 At 2:51 that afternoon, 652 00:37:08,186 --> 00:37:12,266 someone searches for the term "foolproof suffocation." 653 00:37:12,315 --> 00:37:16,315 That computer was started up at 2:49 that afternoon. 654 00:37:16,361 --> 00:37:19,201 We authenticated the stuff as much as possible, 655 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,529 and we are certain that our times are right. 656 00:37:25,245 --> 00:37:27,455 -Do you remember the Internet searches? 657 00:37:27,497 --> 00:37:30,577 "At 2:49, whilst Casey's cellphone 658 00:37:30,625 --> 00:37:32,245 is pinging a tower nearest the home, 659 00:37:32,293 --> 00:37:34,253 the Anthonys' family desktop computer's activated 660 00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:37,005 by someone using Casey's password-protected account. 661 00:37:37,048 --> 00:37:40,428 At 2:51, someone does a search for 'foolproof suffocation, ' 662 00:37:40,468 --> 00:37:43,048 clicking on several pro-suicide websites." 663 00:37:43,096 --> 00:37:45,426 -Right. Wasn't me. 664 00:37:45,473 --> 00:37:47,353 I can tell you that. Everyone had each other's 665 00:37:47,392 --> 00:37:50,982 passwords because it was the family computer. 666 00:37:51,021 --> 00:37:53,521 But I didn't make those searches. 667 00:37:53,565 --> 00:37:56,185 -Do you think it's possible your dad did that 668 00:37:56,234 --> 00:37:59,404 2:51 p.m. search if he was at work at 3:00? 669 00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:02,986 -Where he worked and where our house was located 670 00:38:03,033 --> 00:38:04,663 was less than 10 minutes. 671 00:38:04,701 --> 00:38:06,512 There was enough time for him to have been home, 672 00:38:06,536 --> 00:38:08,996 still made those searches, and then left for work. 673 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,209 -At 3:02, we have George using his cell 674 00:38:11,249 --> 00:38:13,709 to call the house landline. - Okay. 675 00:38:13,752 --> 00:38:15,712 But where was his phone pinging at that point? 676 00:38:15,754 --> 00:38:19,674 Was it pinging at work or was it pinging closer to the house? 677 00:38:19,716 --> 00:38:21,485 -We don't know 'cause we don't have George's cellphone records. 678 00:38:21,509 --> 00:38:23,219 -That's also part of the problem. 679 00:38:23,261 --> 00:38:25,561 We don't have George's cellphone records. 680 00:38:27,057 --> 00:38:29,452 -And I was like, "Why did we not get George's phone records?" 681 00:38:29,476 --> 00:38:31,476 And I don't know if they subpoenaed them, 682 00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,359 but I sure would have loved to have had them. 683 00:38:33,396 --> 00:38:35,396 When did he leave the house, you know? 684 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,490 Did he go around the corner where the body was dumped? 685 00:38:39,527 --> 00:38:42,357 What time? When did he get to work? 686 00:38:42,405 --> 00:38:44,695 I mean, I don't know... 687 00:38:44,741 --> 00:38:47,331 I don't know why they either didn't have them 688 00:38:47,369 --> 00:38:48,329 or didn't turn them over to us, 689 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:50,830 because I don't know. 690 00:38:50,872 --> 00:38:52,462 I just don't know. 691 00:38:55,418 --> 00:38:57,418 -Did you subpoena George's phone? 692 00:38:57,462 --> 00:39:00,052 -I don't remember. I mean, I know at the time, 693 00:39:00,090 --> 00:39:02,130 I mean, this has been years. 694 00:39:02,175 --> 00:39:04,545 I believe we subpoenaed a number of phones, 695 00:39:04,594 --> 00:39:09,144 but I don't recall whose and what we subpoenaed. 696 00:39:09,182 --> 00:39:11,182 I just don't remember. 697 00:39:11,226 --> 00:39:13,556 -I was able to verify. Yes, we did have 698 00:39:13,603 --> 00:39:16,363 George Anthony's cellphone records. 699 00:39:16,398 --> 00:39:18,398 -Do those include cell tower locations? 700 00:39:18,441 --> 00:39:20,611 -No, they do not have cell tower information. 701 00:39:20,652 --> 00:39:23,362 -Would that information have been useful to you 702 00:39:23,405 --> 00:39:27,325 being able to determine Mr. George Anthony's movement? 703 00:39:27,367 --> 00:39:29,737 -Yes, if I had a reason to even believe 704 00:39:29,786 --> 00:39:31,956 that that would play a part in this case, 705 00:39:31,996 --> 00:39:33,746 which at the time I did not. 706 00:39:39,379 --> 00:39:43,339 -Yeah, I mean, look, I say it again, 707 00:39:43,383 --> 00:39:46,183 I don't think George had anything to do with it. 708 00:39:46,219 --> 00:39:48,429 -Did George ever lie to you? 709 00:39:50,181 --> 00:39:53,441 -Well, yeah, at different points in time. 710 00:39:53,476 --> 00:39:56,646 I mean, everybody... just about everybody in the family 711 00:39:56,688 --> 00:39:59,518 told us one thing or another that wasn't true. 712 00:39:59,566 --> 00:40:04,566 So yeah, we were lied to throughout the investigation. 713 00:40:04,612 --> 00:40:07,452 Being a liar doesn't make somebody a murderer. 714 00:40:21,212 --> 00:40:23,342 -At the time, my nightmares start to increase 715 00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:26,341 based off of what happened in court. 716 00:40:26,384 --> 00:40:29,394 -Within somewhere probably close to about a three-foot area 717 00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:32,639 of the passenger side of the car, 718 00:40:32,682 --> 00:40:37,232 I did smell a pretty... Pretty strong odor. 719 00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:40,940 -Was that the odor of a human corpse? 720 00:40:40,982 --> 00:40:42,282 -Yes. 721 00:40:42,317 --> 00:40:43,817 -During that 31 days, 722 00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:48,320 I ran out of gas in front of that cash checking place. 723 00:40:48,365 --> 00:40:50,695 And my dad was supposed to go pick up the car. 724 00:40:50,742 --> 00:40:52,636 He said, "Don't worry about it. Just leave it there. 725 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:54,450 Park it somewhere where I can find it." 726 00:40:54,496 --> 00:40:58,626 So I had two guys off the road help me push it in. 727 00:40:58,667 --> 00:41:02,127 And there was no smell when I even left my car that day. 728 00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:05,170 I don't know what a dead body smells like. 729 00:41:05,215 --> 00:41:08,635 But I know what rotten garbage smells like. 730 00:41:08,677 --> 00:41:10,347 I left garbage in the car. 731 00:41:10,387 --> 00:41:12,967 There were three bags and a pizza box. 732 00:41:13,014 --> 00:41:15,314 I only threw away two of the bags. 733 00:41:15,350 --> 00:41:17,230 I forgot that I had even taken the garbage 734 00:41:17,268 --> 00:41:19,148 because I got so distracted by a phone call 735 00:41:19,187 --> 00:41:20,977 when I was throwing the garbage out. 736 00:41:21,022 --> 00:41:24,782 So I just closed the trunk instinctually and left. 737 00:41:24,818 --> 00:41:28,238 After the 31 days, I know when I got home 738 00:41:28,279 --> 00:41:30,659 and that car was there, and there was a smell, 739 00:41:30,699 --> 00:41:32,593 and it's something I have, to this day, have still never 740 00:41:32,617 --> 00:41:34,487 smelled and don't ever want to smell again. 741 00:41:34,536 --> 00:41:38,666 I've never smelled that in my life even prior to. 742 00:41:38,707 --> 00:41:42,377 -You're smelling her car that smells like a dead body, 743 00:41:42,419 --> 00:41:43,999 and you don't call the police? 744 00:41:44,045 --> 00:41:45,505 -No, sir, I did not. 745 00:41:45,547 --> 00:41:50,717 -And you don't call your daughter to see if she's okay? 746 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,020 -I didn't call my daughter at that time. 747 00:41:55,056 --> 00:41:56,325 -And you don't call your daughter 748 00:41:56,349 --> 00:41:58,769 to see if Caylee's okay? 749 00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:02,440 -I didn't call my daughter to inquire about her or Caylee 750 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,150 at that time. I did not. 751 00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:07,360 And as a detective, you know 752 00:42:07,402 --> 00:42:09,652 that if you smell a dead body in a car 753 00:42:09,696 --> 00:42:14,076 that that's a potential crime scene? 754 00:42:14,117 --> 00:42:16,077 -At the time, sir, I wasn't a detective. 755 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:18,619 I am just a father and a grandfather. 756 00:42:21,624 --> 00:42:25,254 -Jose's bringing that up because my father would know 757 00:42:25,295 --> 00:42:28,915 protocol and procedure, 758 00:42:28,965 --> 00:42:30,835 how to work a scene. 759 00:42:32,677 --> 00:42:34,427 Again, he didn't inquire 760 00:42:34,471 --> 00:42:38,271 to where I was that day because he knew. 761 00:42:38,308 --> 00:42:39,848 He didn't inquire to where Caylee was 762 00:42:39,893 --> 00:42:42,853 because he was the only one who knew where she was. 763 00:42:46,775 --> 00:42:50,195 I'm sitting there staring daggers at this man... 764 00:42:51,613 --> 00:42:53,716 because I'm one of the only people who knows the truth 765 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:55,700 about who and what he is. 766 00:42:57,619 --> 00:43:02,459 It took so long for me to get to that point. 767 00:43:02,499 --> 00:43:04,579 So long. 768 00:43:04,626 --> 00:43:06,206 And I get that's not something 769 00:43:06,252 --> 00:43:07,752 that people really get or understand, 770 00:43:07,796 --> 00:43:11,586 but it's like you have Stockholm syndrome. 771 00:43:11,633 --> 00:43:14,643 He was the state of Florida's first witness against me, 772 00:43:14,678 --> 00:43:19,308 and he was a knowing and willing participant. 773 00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:24,849 He knew that his actions, his behavior, his words 774 00:43:24,896 --> 00:43:26,816 could potentially kill me. 775 00:43:28,566 --> 00:43:33,106 -And I can't imagine being used as a tool of the state 776 00:43:33,154 --> 00:43:35,244 to try to kill one of my children. 777 00:43:35,281 --> 00:43:38,621 He seemed fairly enthusiastic in that role. 778 00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:43,960 When George Anthony became the star witness for the state, 779 00:43:43,998 --> 00:43:48,628 when the goal of the state was to kill his daughter, 780 00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:50,170 he lost me. 781 00:43:50,213 --> 00:43:52,303 He lost me right then. 782 00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:54,630 -George was the star witness. 783 00:43:54,676 --> 00:43:57,296 And he also was the star witness in front of the grand jury 784 00:43:57,345 --> 00:44:00,305 to make the indictment what it was. 785 00:44:00,348 --> 00:44:02,159 So the real question is, if you were telling people 786 00:44:02,183 --> 00:44:03,813 behind the scenes it was an accident, 787 00:44:03,852 --> 00:44:06,482 would you testify as a star witness in a trial 788 00:44:06,521 --> 00:44:10,191 that would get your child death for that accident? 789 00:44:12,402 --> 00:44:15,822 -I have to admit, what you just told me, 790 00:44:15,864 --> 00:44:20,294 and hearing that he was the grand jury's star witness 791 00:44:20,326 --> 00:44:23,536 to try to get the death penalty for his own kid, 792 00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:26,040 I have never heard that before. 793 00:44:26,082 --> 00:44:28,382 And that's... 794 00:44:28,418 --> 00:44:31,378 that's shocking. 795 00:44:31,421 --> 00:44:34,381 Why, if you did think it was an accident, 796 00:44:34,424 --> 00:44:38,224 would you want the death penalty? 797 00:44:38,261 --> 00:44:41,011 That doesn't make any sense. 798 00:44:41,056 --> 00:44:42,886 That... 799 00:44:48,271 --> 00:44:50,021 Oh, my God. 800 00:44:55,570 --> 00:44:57,950 -Like, that is, like... 801 00:44:57,989 --> 00:45:02,659 How would you... why would you put yourself in the situation? 802 00:45:02,702 --> 00:45:07,042 Or even, like... even flirt with the idea that it will end up 803 00:45:07,082 --> 00:45:09,712 with your daughter being, like, 804 00:45:09,751 --> 00:45:13,591 you know, going to the death penalty? 805 00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:16,170 -Right, so that's the situation we have with George. 806 00:45:16,216 --> 00:45:20,216 Why did he want his daughter to die for an accident? 807 00:45:24,974 --> 00:45:26,814 -I have no idea. 808 00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:32,320 Covering up his own tracks or something, I guess. 809 00:45:34,275 --> 00:45:35,685 Like, that's the only thing that... 810 00:45:35,735 --> 00:45:40,565 That's the only logical reason I could think. 811 00:45:40,615 --> 00:45:42,865 This is blowing my mind right now. 812 00:45:44,452 --> 00:45:46,002 Holy shit. 813 00:45:51,251 --> 00:45:53,251 Do you mind if I take, like, a five-minute break? 814 00:45:54,462 --> 00:45:56,052 I need to, like, 815 00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:58,089 recollect my thoughts here. 816 00:45:58,133 --> 00:46:00,973 Holy shit. 817 00:46:16,901 --> 00:46:19,781 -We are back with my exclusive interview with George Anthony, 818 00:46:19,821 --> 00:46:24,331 who's recovering from a car crash that nearly took his life. 819 00:46:26,786 --> 00:46:28,496 You look better than I expected. 820 00:46:28,538 --> 00:46:29,998 - Thank you. - How you doing? 821 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,540 -I'm doing good. 822 00:46:31,583 --> 00:46:36,133 -A few years ago, he'd been in a severe car accident. 823 00:46:36,171 --> 00:46:38,131 -Has your daughter called you? 824 00:46:38,173 --> 00:46:39,763 Has Casey reached out? 825 00:46:39,799 --> 00:46:41,629 -She did reach out to ask how I was. 826 00:46:41,676 --> 00:46:43,926 - Would you like to see her? - No, I didn't. 827 00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:45,810 I'll be honest. - I mean, honestly, I would. 828 00:46:45,847 --> 00:46:47,597 I would like to just tell her I'm sorry. 829 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,190 You know, that I-I forgive her. 830 00:46:50,226 --> 00:46:54,106 I forgive her, I... And that's hard for me to say. 831 00:46:54,147 --> 00:46:55,517 But you know what? 832 00:46:55,565 --> 00:46:58,225 I need to be forgiven by her and my son 833 00:46:58,276 --> 00:47:00,146 and other family members or friends 834 00:47:00,195 --> 00:47:01,645 that I care so much about. 835 00:47:01,696 --> 00:47:04,616 Forgive me for what I've done to all of our lives. 836 00:47:04,657 --> 00:47:08,197 - It was an accident. - What would you forgive her for? 837 00:47:08,244 --> 00:47:09,294 -I'm sorry, what? 838 00:47:09,329 --> 00:47:11,999 -For what she has put... 839 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,670 -Uh, yeah, she asked the question. 840 00:47:13,708 --> 00:47:14,894 I want to know the answer to that. 841 00:47:14,918 --> 00:47:17,088 What does he need to be forgiven for? 842 00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:21,629 I'm sorry. Can you play that back? 843 00:47:21,675 --> 00:47:24,335 -I need to be forgiven by her and my son 844 00:47:24,386 --> 00:47:26,216 and other family members or friends 845 00:47:26,262 --> 00:47:27,722 that I care so much about. 846 00:47:27,764 --> 00:47:30,774 Forgive me for what I've done to all of our lives. 847 00:47:30,809 --> 00:47:33,399 -What do you want her to forgive you for? 848 00:47:35,772 --> 00:47:36,957 -I don't know, I guess that's something 849 00:47:36,981 --> 00:47:39,731 I'll have to wait to hear from her. 850 00:47:42,737 --> 00:47:45,527 -Okay. 851 00:47:45,573 --> 00:47:47,913 What does he need to be forgiven for? 852 00:47:50,245 --> 00:47:51,905 What did he do? 853 00:47:55,959 --> 00:47:58,879 I could still report him for what he did to me. 854 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,670 There's no statute of limitations 855 00:48:00,714 --> 00:48:04,804 in the state of Florida for what he did to me, to us. 856 00:48:10,724 --> 00:48:13,734 I remember my father said something 857 00:48:13,768 --> 00:48:17,608 during the course of my case. 858 00:48:17,647 --> 00:48:22,737 I don't remember if it was in an interview or who he said it to. 859 00:48:22,777 --> 00:48:25,737 I'm pretty sure it was actually public. 860 00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:26,990 But he said he used to love 861 00:48:27,032 --> 00:48:30,952 the sweet smell of Caylee's sweat. 862 00:48:30,994 --> 00:48:34,124 -Casey, he said that at Caylee's funeral. 863 00:48:36,416 --> 00:48:38,536 Was it really? 864 00:48:38,585 --> 00:48:41,585 Of course he did. 865 00:48:41,629 --> 00:48:43,759 Of course he did. 866 00:48:45,759 --> 00:48:49,889 What better way to memorialize your granddaughter 867 00:48:49,929 --> 00:48:53,099 than to tell the world that you were abusing her, too? 868 00:48:54,768 --> 00:48:57,478 I'm gonna need a break. 869 00:49:00,523 --> 00:49:02,613 I need a minute, I'm sorry. 870 00:49:57,539 --> 00:49:59,579 Sorry, is the mic good still? 871 00:49:59,624 --> 00:50:01,254 Okay? - Yeah. 872 00:50:01,292 --> 00:50:03,592 -Okay. 873 00:50:03,628 --> 00:50:05,758 Sorry. 874 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,820 -So... 875 00:50:23,857 --> 00:50:26,527 -You're going to ask that question... 876 00:50:26,568 --> 00:50:28,858 Not today. 877 00:50:28,903 --> 00:50:30,743 -What do you think my question was going to be? 878 00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:33,030 -What happened? 879 00:50:33,074 --> 00:50:35,294 It was written all over your face. 880 00:50:35,326 --> 00:50:39,036 And I'm telling you, I'm not ready to answer. 881 00:50:49,841 --> 00:50:52,511 -We talked about showing you the footage 882 00:50:52,552 --> 00:50:55,142 of the memorial that you had never seen. 883 00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:58,560 - Right. - Are you ready to watch that? 884 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,900 -I don't want to do this, but I know I need to. 885 00:51:03,772 --> 00:51:05,482 -God, we're here to remember and honor 886 00:51:05,523 --> 00:51:08,743 and thank you for a beautiful gift 887 00:51:08,777 --> 00:51:11,737 named Caylee Marie Anthony. 888 00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:14,660 And so, Lord, we want to celebrate 889 00:51:14,699 --> 00:51:17,489 a life, though it was short, 890 00:51:17,535 --> 00:51:23,995 while the impact that she will have for generations to come. 891 00:51:24,042 --> 00:51:28,132 Lord, we pray for George and Cindy. 892 00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:34,510 -I wasn't allowed to be at her funeral. 893 00:51:34,552 --> 00:51:37,602 I was sitting in jail under indictment. 894 00:51:48,441 --> 00:51:50,821 -This wasn't something personal. 895 00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:55,820 I begged my mom to have a private, quiet funeral. 896 00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:03,537 -I stand here today, proud.. 897 00:52:05,625 --> 00:52:09,585 To be the grandfather of Caylee Marie Anthony, 898 00:52:09,629 --> 00:52:10,815 who not only meant the world to me, 899 00:52:10,839 --> 00:52:13,929 but meant the world to my family, 900 00:52:13,967 --> 00:52:15,797 and so many of you that never got a chance 901 00:52:15,844 --> 00:52:19,644 to actually hug her, 902 00:52:19,681 --> 00:52:21,771 smell her hair, 903 00:52:21,808 --> 00:52:25,938 smell the sweet sweat when she came in from outside. 904 00:52:25,979 --> 00:52:29,819 - Are you fucking kidding me? - To hear her call me JoJo. 905 00:52:29,858 --> 00:52:33,948 I missed that kiss on the cheek, 906 00:52:33,987 --> 00:52:36,197 that special hug that... I tell everyone 907 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,699 it's so great to get a hug from someone. 908 00:52:39,743 --> 00:52:43,083 But to get a hug from a small child, 909 00:52:43,121 --> 00:52:46,881 that gives me energy like you couldn't imagine. 910 00:52:57,260 --> 00:53:00,010 -That's not normal. 911 00:53:00,055 --> 00:53:03,805 Nothing about that is fucking normal. 912 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,070 You're outright telling the world that you're a pedophile. 913 00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:15,200 Jesus Christ. 914 00:53:16,571 --> 00:53:19,161 -I'm not going to say how much I'm going to miss things 915 00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:20,926 that I won't be able to do with her, because someday 916 00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:24,790 I'll be able to hold her hand again in God's heaven. 917 00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:26,389 I'll be able to take her in wagon rides. 918 00:53:26,414 --> 00:53:29,714 I'll be able to kiss her. I'll be able to smell her again. 919 00:53:36,591 --> 00:53:38,971 -What are you thinking? 920 00:53:45,892 --> 00:53:48,902 -A lot more things make sense. 921 00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:53,860 That's not necessarily a good thing. 922 00:53:56,486 --> 00:53:58,276 -What things make sense? 923 00:54:01,908 --> 00:54:04,578 -I know what he did to me. 924 00:54:04,619 --> 00:54:07,159 And that was my fear. 925 00:54:09,791 --> 00:54:13,091 I have one job to keep her safe. 926 00:54:13,128 --> 00:54:15,548 As a parent, that's your most important job, 927 00:54:15,588 --> 00:54:18,508 is to keep your kid safe. 928 00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:20,970 As a kid who was abused... 929 00:54:24,431 --> 00:54:27,391 you don't ever want to see that happen to another kid, 930 00:54:27,434 --> 00:54:29,944 especially not your own. 931 00:54:32,063 --> 00:54:35,693 -If you're honest with yourself, Casey, did you do everything 932 00:54:35,734 --> 00:54:38,784 in your power to protect your daughter? 933 00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:41,280 -I thought I did. 934 00:54:41,322 --> 00:54:43,832 I tried. 935 00:54:46,244 --> 00:54:48,414 I didn't leave when I should've. I should have 936 00:54:48,455 --> 00:54:50,455 the moment I found out I was pregnant. 937 00:54:50,498 --> 00:54:52,288 I should have just left. 938 00:54:56,963 --> 00:54:59,843 After Caylee was born, 939 00:54:59,883 --> 00:55:03,723 my father was around initially. 940 00:55:03,762 --> 00:55:05,812 He was never left alone with my dad. 941 00:55:05,847 --> 00:55:08,057 Not even when she was an infant. 942 00:55:09,684 --> 00:55:11,984 Because I know what I lived through. 943 00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:17,530 As a kid who was abused, that was my fear. 944 00:55:17,567 --> 00:55:19,027 -That she wouldn't be safe? 945 00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:21,029 -That she wouldn't be safe. 946 00:55:23,323 --> 00:55:30,373 And then my parents' marriage imploded in November of 2005. 947 00:55:30,413 --> 00:55:31,963 He got caught cheating. 948 00:55:31,998 --> 00:55:34,458 This time she kicked him out of the house. 949 00:55:40,256 --> 00:55:42,506 Caylee was little. She was just 950 00:55:42,550 --> 00:55:44,590 a couple of months old. 951 00:55:44,636 --> 00:55:47,846 It was just us, it was just the three girls in the house. 952 00:55:47,889 --> 00:55:49,849 Her and I and the baby. 953 00:55:49,891 --> 00:55:53,141 For the first time 954 00:55:53,186 --> 00:55:56,896 since I was 8 years old, 11 years, 955 00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:00,400 I finally felt safe because he wasn't there. 956 00:56:03,905 --> 00:56:07,115 -What do you remember when you watch this? 957 00:56:07,158 --> 00:56:11,658 -Just being happy. Being... feeling safe, content. 958 00:56:11,705 --> 00:56:14,535 He was gone. 959 00:56:14,582 --> 00:56:19,882 I wasn't worried in these moments that I was with her. 960 00:56:19,921 --> 00:56:21,761 I wasn't afraid. 961 00:56:35,103 --> 00:56:37,233 But then she let him back. 962 00:56:40,108 --> 00:56:42,898 I feel like so much of her facade 963 00:56:42,944 --> 00:56:46,204 was being strong, being independent, 964 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,039 being able to take care of everything herself. 965 00:56:50,076 --> 00:56:53,076 I could see through the cracks in the facade, 966 00:56:53,121 --> 00:56:57,041 and there was a level of codependency, 967 00:56:57,083 --> 00:57:00,803 and fear, I'm sure, of being alone. 968 00:57:00,837 --> 00:57:02,667 I knew from that point forward 969 00:57:02,714 --> 00:57:05,224 I had to get out as soon as possible. 970 00:57:05,258 --> 00:57:09,928 I could not live there with those people anymore. 971 00:57:09,971 --> 00:57:13,061 - Do you remember this? - Of course I do. 972 00:57:13,099 --> 00:57:15,599 That was my kid. That was my best friend. 973 00:57:15,643 --> 00:57:17,603 -What do you remember? 974 00:57:17,645 --> 00:57:19,185 -Not wanting to be home 975 00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:22,820 because both of my parents were there. 976 00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:26,029 -Hey, look! 977 00:57:26,071 --> 00:57:29,571 -He had just moved back in a little bit before this. 978 00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:37,516 I was trying to work as much as I could 979 00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:40,380 and not tell very many people where I was working, 980 00:57:40,418 --> 00:57:43,298 what I was doing, how I was making money, 981 00:57:43,338 --> 00:57:45,508 because I wanted an exit plan for Caylee 982 00:57:45,548 --> 00:57:47,985 and I to get out of that house, to get away from those people, 983 00:57:48,009 --> 00:57:49,639 and to start over. 984 00:57:59,062 --> 00:58:00,312 -Where are we, Casey? 985 00:58:00,355 --> 00:58:04,145 -We're in the back lot at Universal. 986 00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:12,330 I worked at Universal Studios between 2004 and 2006 987 00:58:12,367 --> 00:58:17,327 as a third-party contractor with Eastman Kodak, 988 00:58:17,372 --> 00:58:20,172 and I left when our contract expired 989 00:58:20,208 --> 00:58:23,038 and another company was coming in. 990 00:58:24,337 --> 00:58:26,837 At that point, I transitioned into 991 00:58:26,881 --> 00:58:29,341 working in the nightlife, bartending, 992 00:58:29,384 --> 00:58:32,394 and I was making a lot of side cash. 993 00:58:34,764 --> 00:58:37,684 I had been telling my mom that I was still working at Universal 994 00:58:37,726 --> 00:58:39,346 since I left Universal 995 00:58:39,394 --> 00:58:41,194 because I didn't want her asking questions 996 00:58:41,229 --> 00:58:43,899 about where I was getting extra money from 997 00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:47,360 and why I had it and why it was all in cash. 998 00:58:47,402 --> 00:58:49,452 I didn't want her to know my plan to leave 999 00:58:49,487 --> 00:58:52,567 until I was ready to tell her that I was moving away. 1000 00:58:52,615 --> 00:58:54,985 If I told her anything, she would have done everything 1001 00:58:55,035 --> 00:58:57,365 in her power to stop me, guilted me into staying, 1002 00:58:57,412 --> 00:58:59,372 because I know there was part of her 1003 00:58:59,414 --> 00:59:03,344 that was living vicariously, even through my existence. 1004 00:59:03,376 --> 00:59:05,586 Because she wasn't happy with her own. 1005 00:59:05,628 --> 00:59:08,968 You have no idea the guilt trip she would lay on me the moment 1006 00:59:09,007 --> 00:59:11,047 I would make a decision for myself, 1007 00:59:11,092 --> 00:59:14,222 let alone a decision for my daughter. 1008 00:59:14,262 --> 00:59:18,852 No idea how hard that was. 1009 00:59:25,982 --> 00:59:27,572 During that time, 1010 00:59:27,609 --> 00:59:30,069 it's not just that I was lying to my mom. 1011 00:59:30,111 --> 00:59:31,401 I also wasn't being honest 1012 00:59:31,446 --> 00:59:33,236 with a lot of the people who were in my life 1013 00:59:33,281 --> 00:59:36,331 because I didn't want things getting back to my mom. 1014 00:59:36,368 --> 00:59:38,448 So I told them that I was still working events 1015 00:59:38,495 --> 00:59:42,865 at universal, or that I was even, at that point, 1016 00:59:42,916 --> 00:59:44,956 working other separate events. 1017 00:59:47,128 --> 00:59:49,508 This is Sawgrass Apartments. 1018 00:59:52,342 --> 00:59:55,972 This was the place that 1019 00:59:56,012 --> 00:59:58,392 Zenaida Gonzalez, or Zanny the Nanny, 1020 00:59:58,431 --> 01:00:04,481 as she was referred to, was allegedly living. 1021 01:00:07,607 --> 01:00:09,647 Caylee was either with me at night or with my mom. 1022 01:00:09,693 --> 01:00:12,403 There was no third party. There was no other person. 1023 01:00:12,445 --> 01:00:16,445 I didn't trust anyone else to watch her overnight. 1024 01:00:16,491 --> 01:00:20,541 The whole nanny thing started because there were times 1025 01:00:20,578 --> 01:00:23,118 where I wanted to have a night with my friends, 1026 01:00:23,164 --> 01:00:24,809 but I also wanted to have my daughter there with me 1027 01:00:24,833 --> 01:00:27,673 because I knew my father was going to be home. 1028 01:00:27,711 --> 01:00:30,131 So I told my mom, "I'm going to drop her off 1029 01:00:30,171 --> 01:00:32,301 with my friend Zanny." 1030 01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:33,985 You know, that was kind of how that started 1031 01:00:34,009 --> 01:00:37,009 when Caylee was actually with me. 1032 01:00:37,053 --> 01:00:38,322 They weren't necessarily innocent lies. 1033 01:00:38,346 --> 01:00:39,636 They were lies and I was an adult 1034 01:00:39,681 --> 01:00:41,811 and it's the stupidest thing, but it's... 1035 01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:43,536 Again, it was like all of a sudden in my 20s, 1036 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,310 I'm rebelling as a parent to have freedom. 1037 01:00:47,355 --> 01:00:49,685 And it wasn't the right thing. 1038 01:00:51,735 --> 01:00:55,155 -Let's go to the day where you tell law enforcement 1039 01:00:55,196 --> 01:00:57,156 about Zanny the Nanny. 1040 01:00:57,198 --> 01:00:59,078 Your dad told you say that? 1041 01:00:59,117 --> 01:01:03,457 -Told me to tell the cops what I told my mom. 1042 01:01:03,496 --> 01:01:08,336 Wanted me to be the biggest and best liar that I could be. 1043 01:01:08,376 --> 01:01:11,166 That's not what he said, but that's how I see it now, 1044 01:01:11,212 --> 01:01:13,922 because my father knew that if they looked at me 1045 01:01:13,965 --> 01:01:16,068 and that I was lying to them, they weren't going to believe 1046 01:01:16,092 --> 01:01:17,682 anything that I said, 1047 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:23,349 even if, at that point, I said my father did all of this. 1048 01:01:23,391 --> 01:01:25,351 He knew. 1049 01:01:28,646 --> 01:01:31,516 -You felt that your dad had basically kidnapped her. 1050 01:01:31,566 --> 01:01:35,026 -And was keeping her from me, yes. 1051 01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:36,700 That whole time. 1052 01:01:36,738 --> 01:01:38,868 -Even though you felt that body in your arms 1053 01:01:38,907 --> 01:01:40,676 and you knew that something was terribly wrong. 1054 01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:43,410 -He told me she was going to be okay. 1055 01:01:43,453 --> 01:01:46,713 It's what I chose to accept. 1056 01:01:46,748 --> 01:01:48,668 There was that little girl inside of me 1057 01:01:48,708 --> 01:01:51,248 that wanted to believe he wouldn't hurt her 1058 01:01:51,294 --> 01:01:54,554 the way he hurt me. 1059 01:01:54,589 --> 01:01:56,309 -And you didn't think that there was any way 1060 01:01:56,341 --> 01:01:59,471 she could have drowned and he found her in the pool? 1061 01:02:00,303 --> 01:02:02,723 - No. - Even initially? 1062 01:02:02,764 --> 01:02:05,524 -No, she had no way of getting the pool. 1063 01:02:05,558 --> 01:02:07,728 There was nothing for her to have shimmied up. 1064 01:02:07,769 --> 01:02:10,729 To me, there's no way of explaining that... 1065 01:02:12,857 --> 01:02:15,437 unless he put her in the... 1066 01:02:18,738 --> 01:02:21,738 Unless put her in the pool to cover up what he did. 1067 01:02:26,121 --> 01:02:27,831 So if he decided to call the police 1068 01:02:27,872 --> 01:02:30,792 or if I decided to call the police... 1069 01:02:32,502 --> 01:02:34,313 that they would have looked at it as a drowning 1070 01:02:34,337 --> 01:02:36,757 and not actually examined her body. 1071 01:02:40,802 --> 01:02:45,142 I'm sure there were times where I was incapacitated as a child, 1072 01:02:45,181 --> 01:02:48,231 where my body was limp and lifeless. 1073 01:02:48,268 --> 01:02:50,938 That's what I think about. I wish every day 1074 01:02:50,979 --> 01:02:54,519 I would have said something to somebody at some point. 1075 01:02:58,153 --> 01:03:01,663 Maybe things would be different. 1076 01:03:01,698 --> 01:03:03,618 Probably not. 1077 01:03:09,205 --> 01:03:10,615 But there's always going to be 1078 01:03:10,665 --> 01:03:13,955 that little part of me that wonders. 1079 01:03:14,002 --> 01:03:15,752 -That wonders? 1080 01:03:21,134 --> 01:03:22,724 -Because if she was still alive, 1081 01:03:22,761 --> 01:03:26,601 then where was she and what happened from there? 1082 01:03:33,730 --> 01:03:36,070 Was there something that I could have done 1083 01:03:36,107 --> 01:03:37,937 to have changed things? 1084 01:03:40,779 --> 01:03:42,819 During all this time if she was alive, 1085 01:03:42,864 --> 01:03:45,244 if I didn't do what he said he wanted me to do, 1086 01:03:45,283 --> 01:03:46,833 or if I talked to my mom too much 1087 01:03:46,868 --> 01:03:47,887 or I said the wrong thing, 1088 01:03:47,911 --> 01:03:51,331 would it have triggered something? 1089 01:03:51,373 --> 01:03:54,753 All of my fear 1090 01:03:54,793 --> 01:03:59,513 just keeps becoming bigger and bigger... 1091 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,970 as I knew what I lived through. 1092 01:04:07,889 --> 01:04:10,179 It's bad enough I had to imagine that it happened once, 1093 01:04:10,225 --> 01:04:14,435 but then to imagine that it could have kept happening. 1094 01:04:14,479 --> 01:04:17,609 -Did he take her away to abuse her? 1095 01:04:17,649 --> 01:04:20,189 That's the darkest question, isn't it? 1096 01:04:28,576 --> 01:04:31,576 -That's why all of this is so hard. 1097 01:04:33,581 --> 01:04:36,421 I live with that guilt of feeling like I failed her 1098 01:04:36,459 --> 01:04:39,249 and didn't keep her safe and protect her. 1099 01:04:41,423 --> 01:04:44,553 I've always wanted the truth because I've lived 1100 01:04:44,592 --> 01:04:47,552 so long without it. 1101 01:04:47,595 --> 01:04:50,675 But I don't know if I could handle all of it. 1102 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,560 I don't know if it would be better to know 1103 01:04:54,602 --> 01:04:57,692 or just keep not knowing, 1104 01:04:57,731 --> 01:04:59,441 because I don't know what the truth is. 1105 01:04:59,482 --> 01:05:02,442 All I know is that she's dead. 1106 01:05:03,028 --> 01:05:06,318 That something happened. 1107 01:05:20,503 --> 01:05:23,263 -I think about this case all the time 1108 01:05:23,298 --> 01:05:25,718 all these years afterwards. 1109 01:05:28,803 --> 01:05:34,393 But, you know, so much added up to George 1110 01:05:34,434 --> 01:05:36,604 hiding this body. 1111 01:05:38,563 --> 01:05:42,613 All I know about incest is oftentimes, 1112 01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:46,610 if he's a pedophile abusing his own daughter, 1113 01:05:46,654 --> 01:05:49,624 as she gets older, as Casey did, 1114 01:05:49,657 --> 01:05:53,037 now we got a little one. He's more into the children. 1115 01:05:53,078 --> 01:05:56,038 And if he's a pedophile, I surmise that maybe 1116 01:05:56,081 --> 01:05:58,791 he had abused the little one, Caylee. 1117 01:05:58,833 --> 01:06:02,303 Maybe he thinks he holds her down long enough 1118 01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:05,587 where she passes out, and he can have his way with her. 1119 01:06:05,632 --> 01:06:09,642 Maybe that started this cover-up of what actually happened. 1120 01:06:09,678 --> 01:06:13,468 I'd like to go into a lot of detail with Casey 1121 01:06:13,515 --> 01:06:17,015 because she was there that day. 1122 01:06:19,938 --> 01:06:23,188 I'd want to go more into that with her. 1123 01:06:23,233 --> 01:06:26,363 What is George's role? 1124 01:06:26,403 --> 01:06:27,703 I think I already have coffee. 1125 01:06:27,737 --> 01:06:29,697 -Do you have coffee? Well, you have 1126 01:06:29,739 --> 01:06:32,829 fancy schmancy new mugs if you want them. 1127 01:06:43,545 --> 01:06:45,795 I don't think we've ever sat down in... 1128 01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:48,679 I know we haven't sat down and ever talked about any of this, 1129 01:06:48,717 --> 01:06:50,778 like, talked this through. No, we've never done that. 1130 01:06:50,802 --> 01:06:54,062 -I didn't think we needed to until you decided 1131 01:06:54,097 --> 01:06:55,887 to do what we're doing now, you know, 1132 01:06:55,932 --> 01:06:58,522 which I thought was pretty admirable, 1133 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,730 but, you know, we did our job. It was over. 1134 01:07:01,771 --> 01:07:05,531 And frankly, everybody I've ever talked to about the case 1135 01:07:05,567 --> 01:07:07,647 always says to me the same thing. 1136 01:07:07,694 --> 01:07:09,574 "What happened in those 30 days?" 1137 01:07:09,612 --> 01:07:13,622 And I said, "I don't know." 1138 01:07:13,658 --> 01:07:15,618 What happened those 31 days? Have you remembered? 1139 01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:17,700 -I was meeting up with George when he was asking me 1140 01:07:17,746 --> 01:07:20,706 to meet him at the house. 1141 01:07:20,749 --> 01:07:24,209 He had me hook, line, and sinker waiting for him 1142 01:07:24,252 --> 01:07:25,922 to tell me where to meet him. 1143 01:07:25,962 --> 01:07:28,842 He kept saying if I did what he wanted me to do, 1144 01:07:28,882 --> 01:07:32,342 tell Cindy what he wanted me to tell her, 1145 01:07:32,385 --> 01:07:33,904 because if I did what he wanted me to do, 1146 01:07:33,928 --> 01:07:36,428 he had me the whole time thinking Caylee was alive 1147 01:07:36,473 --> 01:07:37,575 and she was okay. - Oh, okay. 1148 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:38,849 -The entire time. 1149 01:07:38,892 --> 01:07:40,732 -But why would he do that? 1150 01:07:40,769 --> 01:07:42,189 -I've been living with this since, 1151 01:07:42,228 --> 01:07:45,568 living with the same questions, and it's my life. 1152 01:07:45,607 --> 01:07:48,227 - Yeah. - And that's a hard thing 1153 01:07:48,276 --> 01:07:49,736 for me to reconcile. 1154 01:07:49,778 --> 01:07:52,948 I've spent the last 14 years, almost, 1155 01:07:52,989 --> 01:07:56,079 especially during this process, having those epiphany moments 1156 01:07:56,117 --> 01:07:58,577 where something clicks. 1157 01:07:58,620 --> 01:08:02,580 Watching for the first time 1158 01:08:02,624 --> 01:08:06,504 George's clips from the funeral 1159 01:08:06,544 --> 01:08:10,594 where he's talking about missing the smell of her sweet sweat. 1160 01:08:10,632 --> 01:08:12,432 -No, I know. 1161 01:08:12,467 --> 01:08:17,507 I've always had my eyeball on George and the pool. 1162 01:08:17,555 --> 01:08:20,595 It didn't make sense to me, 1163 01:08:20,642 --> 01:08:22,522 no 911 call. - Yeah. 1164 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,080 -You know, if that's what would have happened, 1165 01:08:24,104 --> 01:08:26,114 there would have been a 911 call. 1166 01:08:26,147 --> 01:08:27,477 That's just my thoughts. 1167 01:08:27,524 --> 01:08:28,709 -The ladder wasn't on the pool, 1168 01:08:28,733 --> 01:08:29,960 so she couldn't have gotten in. 1169 01:08:29,984 --> 01:08:31,444 -So, none of that really... 1170 01:08:31,486 --> 01:08:33,066 It didn't... - None of it makes sense. 1171 01:08:33,113 --> 01:08:34,783 -Didn't make total sense, you know. 1172 01:08:34,823 --> 01:08:36,743 -Well, my thought was that he was using that 1173 01:08:36,783 --> 01:08:39,293 as a way to cover up, even then, what he had done. 1174 01:08:39,327 --> 01:08:42,577 -What he had done. Whatever this accident was 1175 01:08:42,622 --> 01:08:44,122 that he had done to Caylee. 1176 01:08:44,165 --> 01:08:47,205 And I got to tell you this for the first time. 1177 01:09:06,688 --> 01:09:08,228 I think there was an... 1178 01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:17,280 there was an accident. 1179 01:09:23,621 --> 01:09:25,016 George was involved, and I don't think 1180 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,420 the accident was in the pool. 1181 01:09:32,005 --> 01:09:33,755 You know, after the case and everything, 1182 01:09:33,798 --> 01:09:35,678 I said George abused Caylee. 1183 01:09:35,717 --> 01:09:38,087 This is my opinion. 1184 01:09:38,136 --> 01:09:41,846 We never discussed this, but when he abused you, 1185 01:09:41,890 --> 01:09:45,100 was there anything that he did 1186 01:09:45,143 --> 01:09:47,983 that would make you think he did that to Caylee 1187 01:09:48,021 --> 01:09:49,441 to cause the accident? - Absolutely. 1188 01:09:49,481 --> 01:09:51,021 Absolutely. 1189 01:09:51,066 --> 01:09:54,236 If I didn't want to or if I said no... 1190 01:09:57,489 --> 01:09:58,989 he'd put a pillow over my face 1191 01:09:59,032 --> 01:10:01,622 and he'd smother me to knock me out. 1192 01:10:01,659 --> 01:10:04,909 - Really? - That happened several times. 1193 01:10:04,954 --> 01:10:07,754 -He'd take a pillow into your face? 1194 01:10:10,418 --> 01:10:13,208 That could be the accident. 1195 01:10:13,254 --> 01:10:15,764 -Possible. 1196 01:10:15,799 --> 01:10:18,179 -He abused her. 1197 01:10:18,218 --> 01:10:20,598 To stop noises, he'd grab a pillow, 1198 01:10:20,637 --> 01:10:22,887 and that would be the accident. 1199 01:10:26,226 --> 01:10:27,726 Wow. 1200 01:10:45,328 --> 01:10:48,918 -I actually don't know what happened on Suburban Drive. 1201 01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:58,050 I think we don't like uncertainty. 1202 01:10:58,091 --> 01:11:00,641 And I think that's kind of a hard thing for us to deal with, 1203 01:11:00,677 --> 01:11:04,637 is we don't like cases where we don't know what happened. 1204 01:11:04,681 --> 01:11:07,931 We want them to be open and shut. 1205 01:11:07,976 --> 01:11:10,646 And that's not really ever how it works. 1206 01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:19,950 The police never looked at George as a suspect. 1207 01:11:19,988 --> 01:11:23,828 That's not something they should have let go. 1208 01:11:23,867 --> 01:11:25,907 I think he definitely covered up a lot of things. 1209 01:11:25,952 --> 01:11:27,792 Whether he knew it was because Caylee was, 1210 01:11:27,829 --> 01:11:30,119 you know, dead or not, I don't know. 1211 01:11:39,174 --> 01:11:41,304 -I would have done any and everything 1212 01:11:41,343 --> 01:11:45,433 that he told me to do. 1213 01:11:45,472 --> 01:11:49,482 But I did protect my abuser. 1214 01:11:49,517 --> 01:11:52,227 I protected her abuser. 1215 01:11:54,689 --> 01:11:57,899 And that crushes me. 1216 01:11:58,777 --> 01:12:02,357 I can't let that go. 1217 01:12:02,405 --> 01:12:04,655 -Why was your reflex to protect him? 1218 01:12:04,699 --> 01:12:08,699 -The same reason that so many victims protect their abusers. 1219 01:12:09,996 --> 01:12:13,076 'Cause you still love them 1220 01:12:13,124 --> 01:12:14,852 and you don't want to believe that they were doing 1221 01:12:14,876 --> 01:12:18,246 what they were doing because they were trying to hurt you. 1222 01:12:27,222 --> 01:12:29,722 I am never going to have full closure. 1223 01:12:32,185 --> 01:12:35,725 And the irony for me is I think that's part of the reason 1224 01:12:35,772 --> 01:12:38,692 why people are still so hooked on this, 1225 01:12:38,733 --> 01:12:42,403 is because they feel they need closure. 1226 01:12:42,445 --> 01:12:47,365 It's like watching these reality shows or watching a movie 1227 01:12:47,409 --> 01:12:49,178 and you feel like you need to have this ending, 1228 01:12:49,202 --> 01:12:50,952 but if it's not the ending that you want, 1229 01:12:50,995 --> 01:12:54,165 are you ever going to have that sense of closure? 1230 01:12:56,292 --> 01:12:57,728 I didn't get the ending that I wanted 1231 01:12:57,752 --> 01:12:59,212 because I didn't get my kid back. 1232 01:12:59,254 --> 01:13:02,094 That's the only ending I wanted. 1233 01:13:03,341 --> 01:13:07,051 And that's the one thing I will never get out of all of this. 1234 01:13:09,597 --> 01:13:11,387 It's been hard to cope. 1235 01:13:14,811 --> 01:13:17,061 Not easier... harder. 1236 01:13:18,773 --> 01:13:22,243 It's waking up every day and... 1237 01:13:22,277 --> 01:13:25,487 wishing that some days I would wake up and look over 1238 01:13:25,530 --> 01:13:27,320 and she'd be right there. 1239 01:13:27,365 --> 01:13:29,235 Sweet little kid. 1240 01:13:31,411 --> 01:13:35,331 That all of this is just the shittiest bad dream. 1241 01:13:38,251 --> 01:13:41,091 We all talk about all the things that we have in a lifetime, 1242 01:13:41,129 --> 01:13:44,419 and I had the shortest life with her. 1243 01:13:51,222 --> 01:13:53,562 It's hard to deal with. 1244 01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,610 -The quality of your voice as you speak to me now 1245 01:14:02,650 --> 01:14:05,490 is completely different than the beginning. 1246 01:14:08,114 --> 01:14:12,084 -I also just feel like I'm in a state of 1247 01:14:12,118 --> 01:14:14,248 trying to patch up the bleeding, 1248 01:14:14,287 --> 01:14:16,537 just like I was completely spliced open 1249 01:14:16,581 --> 01:14:19,921 and everything just came out, 1250 01:14:19,959 --> 01:14:23,249 everything that 1251 01:14:23,296 --> 01:14:27,426 I had been holding onto, even inadvertently. 1252 01:14:30,261 --> 01:14:33,561 I spent my entire life protecting our perfect, 1253 01:14:33,598 --> 01:14:35,638 beautiful little family. 1254 01:14:35,684 --> 01:14:38,694 But I failed at my one job, which was protecting my kid, 1255 01:14:38,728 --> 01:14:42,478 so I'm angry... 1256 01:14:43,942 --> 01:14:46,282 that I'm a victim, 1257 01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:49,659 and that I wasn't there to fight for my kid 1258 01:14:49,698 --> 01:14:52,778 in the way that I should have been able to. 1259 01:14:58,665 --> 01:15:02,285 It's a hard thing to deal with. 1260 01:15:02,335 --> 01:15:06,205 It's a hard thing to live with every day. 1261 01:15:06,256 --> 01:15:09,046 Because nothing's going to bring her back. 1262 01:15:10,593 --> 01:15:12,013 Nothing. 1263 01:15:12,053 --> 01:15:16,393 Even if I someday get the answers that... 1264 01:15:18,643 --> 01:15:21,943 I need, 1265 01:15:21,980 --> 01:15:23,730 it's never going to be enough. 1266 01:15:25,608 --> 01:15:28,318 -No. 1267 01:15:28,361 --> 01:15:30,861 No. - It's never gonna be enough. 1268 01:16:02,854 --> 01:16:05,444 This was my childhood home. 1269 01:16:08,818 --> 01:16:10,738 I hate this house so much. 1270 01:16:10,779 --> 01:16:15,949 I feel like part of me will always, always be trapped here. 1271 01:16:15,992 --> 01:16:18,202 But it's a part of me that I try so hard 1272 01:16:18,244 --> 01:16:21,414 to continue to just let go. 1273 01:16:23,875 --> 01:16:26,085 That scared little girl. 1274 01:16:26,127 --> 01:16:30,877 But this is also where I brought my little girl home. 1275 01:16:30,924 --> 01:16:33,434 So... 1276 01:16:33,468 --> 01:16:35,178 as much as I want to hate this house, 1277 01:16:35,220 --> 01:16:36,930 part of me will always love it, too, 1278 01:16:36,971 --> 01:16:38,721 because it was her home. 1279 01:16:43,186 --> 01:16:45,056 The only good thing that's left at that house 1280 01:16:45,105 --> 01:16:48,395 are just the memories that I had with her. 1281 01:16:48,441 --> 01:16:51,991 There's a box of ashes inside. 1282 01:16:52,028 --> 01:16:56,028 That has this etched picture of Caylee on it. 1283 01:16:56,074 --> 01:16:57,374 And an inscription. 1284 01:16:57,409 --> 01:17:01,579 And I have asked several times now for them. 1285 01:17:01,621 --> 01:17:04,501 And my mom won't give them back to me. 1286 01:17:06,918 --> 01:17:10,298 I would like to... 1287 01:17:10,338 --> 01:17:13,968 take them and scatter them and take her to all the places 1288 01:17:14,009 --> 01:17:17,099 that she should have been able to go and see herself. 1289 01:17:17,137 --> 01:17:18,557 I wanted her to travel, 1290 01:17:18,596 --> 01:17:22,136 to do all the things I never got a chance to do. 1291 01:17:22,183 --> 01:17:27,653 To not have her trapped in a box on a shelf. 1292 01:17:32,527 --> 01:17:36,697 All of the rest... Not worth holding onto. 1293 01:17:38,992 --> 01:17:41,412 It's just easier to let it all go. 1294 01:17:51,171 --> 01:17:53,671 I'm definitely done here. 1295 01:18:28,249 --> 01:18:30,669 Can't leave this place without crying. 1296 01:18:32,796 --> 01:18:34,706 Not even now.