1 00:00:05,917 --> 00:00:08,000 NICOLE SABATINI: When I was about 13, 2 00:00:08,083 --> 00:00:11,875 my mom asked Uncle Bob's photographer 3 00:00:11,958 --> 00:00:14,167 to do a portfolio of me. 4 00:00:15,792 --> 00:00:17,500 I mean, this is sweet and innocent. 5 00:00:19,125 --> 00:00:21,125 So then they took a little different turn 6 00:00:21,208 --> 00:00:25,667 and put me in this extremely little tiny bathing suit. 7 00:00:27,333 --> 00:00:29,500 Again, I think I was 13 here. 8 00:00:32,458 --> 00:00:34,250 I was a child. 9 00:00:35,833 --> 00:00:40,375 I see this and I just see somebody who is not protected. 10 00:00:42,708 --> 00:00:46,208 What I saw from day one was, 11 00:00:46,333 --> 00:00:49,375 if you are worth your salt as a female, 12 00:00:49,458 --> 00:00:53,500 you damn well better be able to fit into a, you know, a centerfold. 13 00:00:56,292 --> 00:00:58,458 JOHN COLAPINTO: There's really only one Bob Guccione. 14 00:00:58,542 --> 00:01:01,708 He starts the dirtiest magazine in America 15 00:01:01,792 --> 00:01:04,000 and becomes one of the richest men in the world. 16 00:01:04,083 --> 00:01:07,000 He made women feel so beautiful. 17 00:01:07,083 --> 00:01:09,625 He was a cool mother(BLEEP) 18 00:01:09,708 --> 00:01:14,250 REPORTER: Their business is rude, nude and lewd. 19 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:17,167 COLAPINTO: Bob wanted his children to create a dynasty. 20 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:21,375 Our family revolved around sex. Kind of creepy. 21 00:01:21,458 --> 00:01:24,375 He says that he needed to have a look at me. 22 00:01:24,375 --> 00:01:27,167 Glamor, mystery, pubic hair. 23 00:01:27,292 --> 00:01:28,875 All that money just disappeared. 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,250 He lost everything. 25 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:33,333 Do you lose sleep that it's all slipping away? 26 00:01:43,292 --> 00:01:44,833 GAY HAUBNER: So when I came to New York, 27 00:01:44,875 --> 00:01:46,625 the way you got your job back then 28 00:01:46,708 --> 00:01:49,708 was you got a copy of The New York Times 29 00:01:49,708 --> 00:01:52,167 and then you took out your typewriter. 30 00:01:52,333 --> 00:01:54,458 This is like, sounding like Civil War era (BLEEP). 31 00:01:54,542 --> 00:01:56,750 And then we got in our horse and buggy! 32 00:01:56,833 --> 00:02:00,167 And you typed a letter and you put in your resume 33 00:02:00,292 --> 00:02:02,083 and you licked the envelope and sent it off, 34 00:02:02,167 --> 00:02:03,667 and you waited to hear back. 35 00:02:03,750 --> 00:02:05,083 (PHONE RINGING) 36 00:02:06,125 --> 00:02:08,625 The phone rang and they hired me. 37 00:02:09,625 --> 00:02:12,000 I was fortunate enough to be there 38 00:02:12,042 --> 00:02:15,917 when the place was friggin' awash in money. 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,083 There was so much money. 40 00:02:21,833 --> 00:02:25,167 WOMAN: Penthouse magazine hit the newsstands 12 years ago. 41 00:02:25,208 --> 00:02:29,167 Until that time, Playboy was the number one men's magazine in the country. 42 00:02:29,208 --> 00:02:31,625 Today, Penthouse is on top 43 00:02:31,708 --> 00:02:35,458 and its success is due to one man, Bob Guccione. 44 00:02:35,542 --> 00:02:37,125 Just roll your head over to the right. 45 00:02:38,917 --> 00:02:40,833 MIKE EDISON: The early '80s in New York City, 46 00:02:40,917 --> 00:02:43,458 here was this guy with the biggest mansion in New York, 47 00:02:43,458 --> 00:02:45,042 his art collection was famous 48 00:02:45,167 --> 00:02:47,042 and Penthouse was on top of the heap. 49 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:49,000 We carry some of the best writers, 50 00:02:49,083 --> 00:02:50,708 the best journalists, best photographers. 51 00:02:50,833 --> 00:02:52,333 The best of everything. 52 00:02:52,417 --> 00:02:55,667 It's probably the single most luxurious magazine of its kind. 53 00:02:55,792 --> 00:02:58,875 EDISON: And his magazine was incredibly sexy, incredibly hot, 54 00:02:58,958 --> 00:03:01,792 much more so than Playboy. 55 00:03:01,875 --> 00:03:03,583 The swagger, the sexuality. 56 00:03:03,667 --> 00:03:06,125 Like that edge, you know, that Playboy never had. 57 00:03:06,208 --> 00:03:11,167 You know, it was just a whole different world that Bob Guccione had created. 58 00:03:12,292 --> 00:03:14,500 PETER BLOCH: At the dawn of the 1980s, 59 00:03:14,583 --> 00:03:17,833 things were looking very positive for Penthouse. 60 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:22,458 Our circulation had just been climbing, 61 00:03:22,542 --> 00:03:26,875 but we didn't know what was gonna happen in the '80s. 62 00:03:26,958 --> 00:03:27,833 (CHUCKLES) 63 00:03:31,667 --> 00:03:35,333 NINA: I was living in New Jersey with my mother, 64 00:03:35,375 --> 00:03:40,667 who was a manic depressive alcoholic. 65 00:03:40,750 --> 00:03:44,333 So she wasn't always on her game. (CHUCKLES) 66 00:03:44,375 --> 00:03:48,167 And I was very rebellious. 67 00:03:50,333 --> 00:03:55,833 One night, I came home, two hours past curfew. 68 00:03:55,917 --> 00:03:58,792 My mum, she looks at me and says, "You're two hours late." 69 00:03:58,875 --> 00:04:01,750 I said, "Well, what are you gonna do about it?" 70 00:04:01,833 --> 00:04:04,042 And she said, "I called your father. 71 00:04:04,167 --> 00:04:06,083 "You're moving in with him tomorrow." 72 00:04:06,167 --> 00:04:09,417 And I started screaming and crying, 73 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:12,708 like, I wanted to be close to my dad. 74 00:04:12,792 --> 00:04:14,542 I wanted his attention, 75 00:04:14,667 --> 00:04:18,000 but I didn't want to live with him. I was terrified. 76 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:21,208 I just didn't want that closeness. 77 00:04:21,208 --> 00:04:24,500 Life in the house revolved around sex. 78 00:04:27,542 --> 00:04:31,958 And I was just such an insecure teenage girl. 79 00:04:31,958 --> 00:04:33,250 You don't want that. 80 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:36,917 WOMAN: Bob Guccione's home, 81 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,500 it's a multimillion dollar shrine of beauty and elegance 82 00:04:40,542 --> 00:04:43,292 featuring everything from an indoor swimming pool, 83 00:04:43,375 --> 00:04:47,208 Judy Garland's piano with the gold leaf finish. 84 00:04:47,292 --> 00:04:51,500 NINA: So when I moved to the mansion, the house, as everybody refers to it, 85 00:04:52,375 --> 00:04:54,125 it was, oh, a beautiful home. 86 00:04:54,208 --> 00:04:57,000 And there's just marble foyer, 87 00:04:57,042 --> 00:05:00,917 100 feet of marble, with a white marble staircase. 88 00:05:02,375 --> 00:05:05,083 The Pets, they were living there. 89 00:05:05,167 --> 00:05:09,708 These girls, who were overtly sexual, flaunting it. 90 00:05:09,833 --> 00:05:12,958 So it made me very self-conscious. 91 00:05:14,458 --> 00:05:17,542 But my brother Nick, not so much. 92 00:05:18,917 --> 00:05:22,083 The Pets, I loved them all. 93 00:05:22,167 --> 00:05:23,292 (LAUGHS) 94 00:05:27,250 --> 00:05:31,958 You know, my hormones. It was like 4th of July in my head, you know. 95 00:05:33,708 --> 00:05:35,667 We weren't allowed to fraternize. 96 00:05:35,750 --> 00:05:38,917 And that was his exact word, "Fraternize with the Pets." 97 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,667 And he told the Pets, "Don't fraternize with the kids." 98 00:05:41,833 --> 00:05:43,958 But when I was 15, 99 00:05:44,042 --> 00:05:48,375 I had the opportunity to have my first girlfriend 100 00:05:48,458 --> 00:05:50,917 and she just happened to be a Penthouse Pet. 101 00:05:52,125 --> 00:05:55,833 She was 23. I was 15, 15 then. 102 00:05:56,917 --> 00:05:58,083 Most guys are, you know, 103 00:05:58,250 --> 00:06:01,500 they can only wish they had had sex with any one of them. 104 00:06:01,542 --> 00:06:03,833 I was having sex with all of them. 105 00:06:03,875 --> 00:06:06,042 You know, I was horny. 106 00:06:06,125 --> 00:06:08,042 But hey, listen, I was a gentleman. 107 00:06:12,958 --> 00:06:14,333 PRESENTER: Morning to you, ladies and gentlemen. 108 00:06:14,375 --> 00:06:16,375 Here is Bob Guccione, 109 00:06:16,458 --> 00:06:19,625 he is the publisher of Penthouse and the presenter and producer of Caligula. 110 00:06:19,708 --> 00:06:22,667 Bob had this obsession with doing a movie about Caligula. 111 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:25,750 It was completely insane. 112 00:06:25,875 --> 00:06:28,667 PRESENTER: This picture cost $17 million to produce, 113 00:06:28,708 --> 00:06:31,542 and it's the first major budget picture 114 00:06:31,667 --> 00:06:34,625 with named stars to be so sexually explicit. 115 00:06:36,792 --> 00:06:39,083 It has things in it that no one has ever seen before in a motion picture. 116 00:06:39,167 --> 00:06:42,833 I'm not just talking about the X-rated aspects of it. 117 00:06:42,833 --> 00:06:45,042 DARREN WINSTON: Caligula came out, I think, when I was about ten. 118 00:06:46,292 --> 00:06:48,625 At the time, it was groundbreaking. 119 00:06:48,708 --> 00:06:51,333 And I'm sure it was supposed to be incredibly sensual. 120 00:06:51,417 --> 00:06:55,583 And it's now, it just looks like the most expensive porno film ever made. 121 00:06:56,583 --> 00:07:00,500 And it was rife with problems. 122 00:07:00,542 --> 00:07:03,875 LESLIE JAY-GOULD: The actors were all disgruntled. 123 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,375 The director Tinto Brass was a problem. 124 00:07:07,458 --> 00:07:11,042 And Bob kept saying, "Make it more sexual. 125 00:07:11,125 --> 00:07:12,375 "Make it more sexual." 126 00:07:13,375 --> 00:07:15,667 And they had an orgy scene 127 00:07:15,708 --> 00:07:18,292 that was the most explicit thing you can possibly imagine, 128 00:07:18,375 --> 00:07:21,125 which is what Bob wanted. 129 00:07:21,208 --> 00:07:25,250 BOB: I think it's gonna make a tremendous splash wherever it's shown. 130 00:07:25,375 --> 00:07:32,083 In fact, I defy a normal, healthy young American male or woman to not go. 131 00:07:34,208 --> 00:07:37,542 NINA: I think he believed he was gonna make a lot of money on it 132 00:07:37,667 --> 00:07:39,833 and that he was going to create a new persona. 133 00:07:39,875 --> 00:07:42,667 He was gonna be this amazing director. 134 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:44,333 You know, he'd done it in publishing. 135 00:07:44,417 --> 00:07:45,958 Now he was gonna do it in the movies. 136 00:07:47,042 --> 00:07:48,083 It was a big deal. 137 00:07:52,542 --> 00:07:56,125 HAUBNER: And then finally, the dreaded day happened 138 00:07:56,208 --> 00:07:57,917 and Caligula was finished. 139 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,042 Penthouse rented a movie house on Third Avenue, 140 00:08:06,167 --> 00:08:11,333 and we were all told that we had to be there for the premiere of Caligula. 141 00:08:11,417 --> 00:08:17,750 And we were frog-marched out of the offices and up to this theater 142 00:08:17,833 --> 00:08:23,125 where our names were checked off by someone with a clipboard to make sure we were all there. 143 00:08:27,542 --> 00:08:30,042 All right, my little bitches. 144 00:08:30,125 --> 00:08:32,000 Come in, all of you. 145 00:08:35,708 --> 00:08:37,667 HAUBNER: We're about 10 minutes into this, 146 00:08:37,792 --> 00:08:41,000 and my dear friend at the office said to me, 147 00:08:41,083 --> 00:08:45,167 "(BLEEP) this (BLEEP)," and got up and left. 148 00:08:45,250 --> 00:08:49,292 And basically I sat there like this the whole time 149 00:08:49,417 --> 00:08:52,125 because it was just so unbelievably gory 150 00:08:52,208 --> 00:08:54,583 and the sex was so cringeworthy. 151 00:09:04,958 --> 00:09:06,833 NINA: I had the misfortune of having turned 18 152 00:09:06,917 --> 00:09:10,500 and Dad being a very moral family man 153 00:09:10,542 --> 00:09:14,583 decided I could go because I was of age. 154 00:09:14,667 --> 00:09:19,167 You know, it was me and his mother and father and Kathy's parents were there. 155 00:09:20,708 --> 00:09:23,875 And I'm sitting next to my father 156 00:09:23,958 --> 00:09:26,250 watching this on the big screen. 157 00:09:32,708 --> 00:09:35,750 It was horrifying. Absolutely horrifying. 158 00:09:37,375 --> 00:09:38,750 I'd never seen a sex film. 159 00:09:39,625 --> 00:09:41,250 I was speechless. 160 00:09:41,375 --> 00:09:45,292 And I was very upset about it 161 00:09:45,375 --> 00:09:47,083 because no good parent 162 00:09:47,167 --> 00:09:51,000 should expose their child or allow them to be exposed to that. 163 00:09:51,083 --> 00:09:55,208 But being a narcissist, he had no empathy. 164 00:09:56,542 --> 00:09:58,000 He couldn't associate 165 00:09:58,042 --> 00:10:02,542 what would it be like for a teenage girl. 166 00:10:04,917 --> 00:10:07,167 Now, listen, Guccione, get a camera on this guy. 167 00:10:07,208 --> 00:10:08,958 I saw your motion picture. 168 00:10:09,042 --> 00:10:11,125 $17 million. 169 00:10:11,208 --> 00:10:14,250 And I must say, I walked out of it last night. I got to be straight with you. 170 00:10:18,333 --> 00:10:22,000 Was there one review of Caligula that was positive? 171 00:10:22,083 --> 00:10:24,250 Because I wish you'd show it to me. 172 00:10:28,375 --> 00:10:32,208 WINSTON: It's rubbish. It has absolutely no artistic integrity 173 00:10:32,333 --> 00:10:33,167 or anything. 174 00:10:33,208 --> 00:10:34,958 What did you think about the film? 175 00:10:35,042 --> 00:10:36,292 I think it was a monstrous film. 176 00:10:36,375 --> 00:10:39,333 I think that it was not erotica. 177 00:10:39,375 --> 00:10:40,792 That it was not sexy. 178 00:10:42,125 --> 00:10:45,375 I just can't even imagine the millions of dollars 179 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:50,792 that was poured into that steaming hunk of excrement. 180 00:10:52,375 --> 00:10:54,833 WINSTON: Caligula. It comes and it's everywhere, 181 00:10:54,875 --> 00:10:57,125 and then it just sort of goes away. 182 00:10:57,208 --> 00:10:59,667 The sound of a toilet flushing and a lot of money following it. 183 00:11:01,708 --> 00:11:04,000 We are claiming that hard-core pornography 184 00:11:04,083 --> 00:11:06,583 dumped on us by Bob Guccione, 185 00:11:06,708 --> 00:11:10,125 the fellow with the Penthouse magazine and his millions, 186 00:11:10,208 --> 00:11:11,917 is something Vancouver doesn't need 187 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,625 because it involves violence, 188 00:11:13,708 --> 00:11:16,500 rape, bestiality, castration. 189 00:11:16,625 --> 00:11:19,625 It's hard-core pornographic. 190 00:11:19,708 --> 00:11:23,417 He was pushing the envelope, too quickly, 191 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:25,125 and too early. 192 00:11:27,292 --> 00:11:29,333 And that's what upset America. 193 00:11:29,417 --> 00:11:31,000 I will burn this magazine now. 194 00:11:35,250 --> 00:11:36,125 (PROTESTORS CHANTING) 195 00:11:36,208 --> 00:11:38,500 Pornography is anti-God, it's anti-woman, 196 00:11:38,625 --> 00:11:40,917 it's anti-children, anti-family. 197 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,667 Unabashed, unedited, unrestrained lust of the flesh, 198 00:11:44,792 --> 00:11:47,750 filth, sin and immorality. 199 00:11:47,833 --> 00:11:52,333 EDISON: By the '80s, the status quo is we've got to put a stop to all the sex. 200 00:11:52,417 --> 00:11:57,250 Cast it as the moral right versus the smut peddlers. 201 00:11:57,333 --> 00:12:00,000 There's a good story for you, a good guy and a bad guy. 202 00:12:02,042 --> 00:12:04,333 Of course, I always root for the bad guys. (LAUGHS) 203 00:12:04,417 --> 00:12:06,000 You know, I always root for the Joker, not Batman. 204 00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:07,667 He's more interesting. He's got more charisma. 205 00:12:12,083 --> 00:12:15,000 Caligula is, you know, come and gone. 206 00:12:15,083 --> 00:12:16,625 Of course, it doesn't work 207 00:12:16,708 --> 00:12:19,750 because no one wants to see this because it's really filthy. 208 00:12:19,833 --> 00:12:23,000 We are damaging families with pornography, 209 00:12:23,083 --> 00:12:25,375 and I believe a part of the vision 210 00:12:25,458 --> 00:12:30,625 is to eliminate from the surface of America this scab called pornography. 211 00:12:30,708 --> 00:12:33,500 EDISON: There's a big backlash. 212 00:12:33,542 --> 00:12:36,417 And suddenly, the religious right, evangelists, born-agains, 213 00:12:36,542 --> 00:12:38,208 can become a huge voting bloc 214 00:12:38,333 --> 00:12:40,833 and they realize can actually get a president elected. 215 00:12:40,917 --> 00:12:43,500 I, Ronald Reagan, do solemnly swear 216 00:12:43,583 --> 00:12:48,000 that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. 217 00:12:48,125 --> 00:12:52,250 The evangelical movement turned out a lot of voters for him, 218 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:57,667 and so he owed them a favor to investigate the evils of pornography. 219 00:12:57,750 --> 00:12:59,500 REAGAN: This is a nation under God, 220 00:12:59,583 --> 00:13:02,042 and there is the freedom of a parent 221 00:13:02,125 --> 00:13:04,708 to be able to send his child to a store on an errand 222 00:13:04,708 --> 00:13:10,917 without having them walk past a magazine rack and subjected to this kind of material. 223 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,375 It wasn't just the evangelicals on the right. 224 00:13:13,375 --> 00:13:17,333 You also had the extreme feminists on the left. 225 00:13:17,417 --> 00:13:20,667 Over the weekend, several thousand people, most of them women, 226 00:13:20,792 --> 00:13:22,667 rallied and marched to New York City 227 00:13:22,708 --> 00:13:26,167 to dramatize their opposition to pornography. 228 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:29,000 The marchers shouted slogans such as, "Two, four, six, eight, 229 00:13:29,083 --> 00:13:31,375 "pornography is women hate." 230 00:13:31,458 --> 00:13:34,750 I certainly don't classify Penthouse as pornography. 231 00:13:34,833 --> 00:13:36,208 It is erotica. 232 00:13:36,292 --> 00:13:40,083 I think that Mr. Guccione is decidedly a pornographer. 233 00:13:40,167 --> 00:13:44,042 Penthouse were promoting very insidious, 234 00:13:44,125 --> 00:13:48,208 extremely sexist ideas about women 235 00:13:48,292 --> 00:13:51,667 as objects of sexual consumption. 236 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:54,375 This material is very characteristic of pornography. 237 00:13:54,458 --> 00:13:56,500 Dehumanizing women as Pets, 238 00:13:56,625 --> 00:14:00,417 as simply a sexual plaything, as not an equal human being at all. 239 00:14:00,417 --> 00:14:05,167 BLOCH: So you had this kind of juggernaut of the evangelical right wing 240 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:11,042 and the left-wing feminists both having a magazine like Penthouse in their sights. 241 00:14:12,708 --> 00:14:15,083 The hatred was visceral. 242 00:14:15,167 --> 00:14:18,292 The times were kind of changing even then. 243 00:14:18,375 --> 00:14:20,500 But Bob didn't see it. 244 00:14:22,875 --> 00:14:25,833 It was certainly the beginning of problems. 245 00:14:27,208 --> 00:14:30,333 CAMERAMAN: A Cam Mark. Yeah. 246 00:14:30,458 --> 00:14:32,708 MAN: Yeah. 247 00:14:32,792 --> 00:14:36,250 I always knew that I wanted something better with my life. 248 00:14:38,542 --> 00:14:42,500 I wanted to go and become an actress and a model and a singer, 249 00:14:42,583 --> 00:14:44,167 and I was 5'2". 250 00:14:44,292 --> 00:14:45,958 I was like, "How is this gonna happen in Memphis?" (CHUCKLES) 251 00:14:48,167 --> 00:14:51,333 And so I left to go to Las Vegas when I was 16. 252 00:14:52,458 --> 00:14:55,125 And one night, this guy looks at me and goes, 253 00:14:55,208 --> 00:14:57,708 "Are you a model?" And I was like, "Yeah." 254 00:14:57,833 --> 00:15:01,500 And so it happened like that. 255 00:15:01,625 --> 00:15:05,583 Just like that, one way ticket, by the way, to New York. 256 00:15:11,708 --> 00:15:13,500 So, a driver picks me up. 257 00:15:13,583 --> 00:15:15,000 I'm headed to the mansion. 258 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:20,417 When I got there, they were in the money. 259 00:15:20,417 --> 00:15:26,208 They were at the highest peak in Penthouse's history. 260 00:15:28,458 --> 00:15:31,333 So they call me. 261 00:15:31,375 --> 00:15:32,875 They said, "Bob will meet you now." 262 00:15:32,958 --> 00:15:35,583 I'm like, "Okay." (LAUGHS) 263 00:15:35,708 --> 00:15:37,167 Like, "Ooh." 264 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,208 And he's sitting at the grand piano 265 00:15:42,292 --> 00:15:44,708 and he's tinkering away a little bit. 266 00:15:44,833 --> 00:15:47,542 (LAUGHING) Like something in like, you know, one of those movies. 267 00:15:51,042 --> 00:15:53,333 He comes and greets me. 268 00:15:53,417 --> 00:15:57,833 I didn't know what to say to him because the minute I saw him, 269 00:15:57,958 --> 00:16:01,667 I was like, completely infatuated. 270 00:16:04,125 --> 00:16:08,333 That was his M.O. for all time. 271 00:16:09,583 --> 00:16:12,375 I heard Bob come in before I saw him. 272 00:16:12,458 --> 00:16:17,125 He had these gold chains rattling around his, you know, bronze chest 273 00:16:17,208 --> 00:16:18,917 in an open shirt. 274 00:16:20,542 --> 00:16:23,000 The voice, the clothing, the appearance, 275 00:16:23,042 --> 00:16:27,583 all of it was very, uh, constructed. 276 00:16:30,542 --> 00:16:34,708 He has this very deep, raspy voice, 277 00:16:34,708 --> 00:16:36,292 which is so sexy. 278 00:16:36,375 --> 00:16:40,625 It really is a question of, see how the girl turns me on. 279 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:43,667 I can't photograph a girl that doesn't excite me. 280 00:16:43,708 --> 00:16:49,458 He used that charm and his wicked, smirky grin to advantage. 281 00:16:52,208 --> 00:16:54,042 I said, "I want to be photographed by you. 282 00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:55,708 "You're a genius." 283 00:16:55,792 --> 00:16:57,333 And he goes, "Let's do it." 284 00:17:01,083 --> 00:17:02,458 Bob said, "Look how young you look here. 285 00:17:02,542 --> 00:17:04,583 "This is gonna make us so much money." 286 00:17:04,667 --> 00:17:08,083 That cover made millions of dollars. 287 00:17:13,125 --> 00:17:15,458 So after the photo shoot was over, 288 00:17:15,542 --> 00:17:17,750 I had a robe on and it was getting late. 289 00:17:19,792 --> 00:17:21,375 It just, one thing led to another. 290 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:26,792 And we started kissing and everything and it was pretty amazing. 291 00:17:26,875 --> 00:17:28,542 I'm like, "Oh, my God, I'm gonna fall in love with this man." 292 00:17:31,542 --> 00:17:34,417 I think he was 50 and I was turning 19. 293 00:17:36,375 --> 00:17:38,792 And I thought, "Okay, now what?" 294 00:17:38,875 --> 00:17:41,292 And I moved into the mansion. 295 00:17:43,083 --> 00:17:44,833 Can't remember exactly the floor I was on 296 00:17:44,917 --> 00:17:46,292 but I was above Bob and Kathy. 297 00:17:47,708 --> 00:17:50,833 Bob and Kathy's relationship was interesting 298 00:17:50,917 --> 00:17:53,250 because they weren't married. 299 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:56,250 They were boyfriend and girlfriend, 300 00:17:56,333 --> 00:17:58,250 but she really couldn't control him. 301 00:18:01,042 --> 00:18:05,000 Another Pet moved in and she was Pet of the Year before me. 302 00:18:05,083 --> 00:18:08,042 And then there was another Pet. So there was like three of us living there. 303 00:18:09,417 --> 00:18:11,333 He was seeing the other two as well. 304 00:18:13,792 --> 00:18:18,917 NINA: I presumed maybe something was going on but, you see, he would deny it. 305 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,625 So it wasn't something I ever saw. 306 00:18:22,708 --> 00:18:25,708 We did have a back stairway in the house, 307 00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:28,292 and I think that was probably used. (CHUCKLES) 308 00:18:29,833 --> 00:18:32,583 INTERVIEWER: So, Nick, tell me about Sheila Kennedy? 309 00:18:34,583 --> 00:18:38,208 NICK: Oh, my God. I was madly in love with her. Madly. 310 00:18:39,375 --> 00:18:42,167 Sexy, smart, beautiful. 311 00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:44,167 Sheila, are you listening? (LAUGHS) 312 00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:47,667 NINA: Nick, 313 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:49,792 he loved the girls. 314 00:18:49,875 --> 00:18:51,208 He would fall for them. 315 00:18:52,667 --> 00:18:55,375 But only Dad was gonna have sex in the house. 316 00:18:56,625 --> 00:18:58,000 They were his rules. 317 00:18:58,042 --> 00:19:00,750 And if you cross him, 318 00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:03,583 he would've gone berserk. 319 00:19:09,042 --> 00:19:10,333 Living in the mansion, 320 00:19:12,458 --> 00:19:17,917 I was very threatened by pretty young girls. 321 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,667 I had to deal with them, I was always fighting for my dad's attention with them. 322 00:19:23,792 --> 00:19:28,292 So I realized that if you weren't doing something that interests him, 323 00:19:28,375 --> 00:19:30,125 then you don't exist. 324 00:19:32,167 --> 00:19:37,250 I needed to be a part of the company to be a part of his life. 325 00:19:37,333 --> 00:19:40,583 So I decided to work at Penthouse, 326 00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:44,208 because up to that point, he knew I disagreed with what he did. 327 00:19:44,292 --> 00:19:47,125 And then I drank the Kool-Aid. (LAUGHS) 328 00:19:47,208 --> 00:19:49,292 And I said to him, "It's just a business." 329 00:19:51,083 --> 00:19:54,500 My first sort of real job was in the art department, 330 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:58,208 and I was not qualified 331 00:19:59,208 --> 00:20:02,542 or prepared or really willing. 332 00:20:05,625 --> 00:20:08,500 Dad used to say, "You have to get there before everybody else. 333 00:20:08,542 --> 00:20:10,500 "You have to leave after everyone else 334 00:20:10,583 --> 00:20:12,667 "and you're not going to get paid as much." 335 00:20:12,750 --> 00:20:15,292 So it was sort of reverse nepotism. 336 00:20:16,542 --> 00:20:19,333 You have to do it because it's "your company". 337 00:20:19,417 --> 00:20:23,000 I think he wanted us all there. 338 00:20:23,083 --> 00:20:24,958 He didn't want anybody taking over, 339 00:20:25,042 --> 00:20:26,417 but he wanted us there. 340 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:27,417 (LAUGHS) 341 00:20:32,792 --> 00:20:35,667 You've been called the king of sleaze. 342 00:20:35,708 --> 00:20:37,208 Now, how do you react to something like that? 343 00:20:37,292 --> 00:20:38,917 Well, I don't react to it, really, 344 00:20:39,042 --> 00:20:41,167 because I think people who say things like that are very stupid, 345 00:20:41,292 --> 00:20:43,000 uninformed, 346 00:20:43,125 --> 00:20:46,000 very narrow and insular in their way. 347 00:20:46,042 --> 00:20:47,333 If they had any kind of education, 348 00:20:47,417 --> 00:20:48,833 if they knew anything about the world around them, 349 00:20:48,875 --> 00:20:50,667 they wouldn't make statements like that. 350 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:54,625 Bob, I think kind of gloried in being attacked 351 00:20:54,708 --> 00:20:58,208 by the evangelicals and the feminists. 352 00:20:58,292 --> 00:21:03,292 So Penthouse started doing more and more controversial pictorials 353 00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:06,667 because Bob liked to make waves. 354 00:21:06,708 --> 00:21:10,542 In this case he said, "We have something very special. 355 00:21:10,625 --> 00:21:13,167 "You can't talk to anyone about it." 356 00:21:13,292 --> 00:21:18,708 And we knew that we had like, something really major on our hands. 357 00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:21,000 NEWSCASTER: Vanessa Williams had no comment today. 358 00:21:21,083 --> 00:21:24,625 Nothing to say about the nude photographs of her and another woman. 359 00:21:24,708 --> 00:21:27,917 These photos will appear in the September issue of Penthouse. 360 00:21:30,167 --> 00:21:34,792 JAY-GOULD: Vanessa Williams was the first black Miss America. 361 00:21:36,958 --> 00:21:41,833 BLOCH: This photographer had these nude pictures of Vanessa Williams. 362 00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:42,708 He came to Bob. 363 00:21:42,833 --> 00:21:46,500 And Bob, of course, jumped on it. 364 00:21:46,583 --> 00:21:48,833 JAY-GOULD: It was all very hush-hush. 365 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:51,958 Nobody was allowed to be in the plant when this was being printed. 366 00:21:52,042 --> 00:21:57,083 I don't think anybody thought it was a good idea except financially. 367 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,083 BLOCH: The Vanessa Williams issue 368 00:21:59,167 --> 00:22:05,875 was probably the most successful magazine single issue in American history. 369 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,792 NEWSCASTER: As quickly as a new batch of magazines could be unwrapped, 370 00:22:08,875 --> 00:22:11,833 they were grabbed up by New Jersey commuters arriving in Manhattan. 371 00:22:11,917 --> 00:22:14,583 I have to see what Vanessa looks like. 372 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:17,333 Have you seen the Vanessa Williams' photos? 373 00:22:17,417 --> 00:22:19,542 Oh, my God. They are so hot. 374 00:22:19,625 --> 00:22:21,042 I mean, they're smoking hot. 375 00:22:24,417 --> 00:22:28,083 Bob Guccione opened up yet another brave new world 376 00:22:28,208 --> 00:22:32,500 when he realizes that people want to see naked celebrities. 377 00:22:32,542 --> 00:22:34,458 Paris Hilton's career, based on a sex tape. 378 00:22:34,542 --> 00:22:37,542 The Kardashians, based on a sex tape. 379 00:22:37,625 --> 00:22:40,833 Bob Guccione invented that whole thing with Vanessa Williams. 380 00:22:40,875 --> 00:22:43,292 NEWSCASTER: Buyers today were sympathetic to Vanessa Williams' 381 00:22:43,375 --> 00:22:44,625 trouble over the pictures. 382 00:22:44,708 --> 00:22:46,708 Many said she shouldn't give up her crown. 383 00:22:49,375 --> 00:22:53,083 JAY-GOULD: Miss America gave Vanessa Williams 72 hours to resign. 384 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:55,750 I'm sure it was devastating for her. 385 00:23:02,542 --> 00:23:04,792 I never consented to the publication 386 00:23:04,875 --> 00:23:07,458 or the use of these photographs in any manner. 387 00:23:10,208 --> 00:23:12,500 However, the potential harm to the pageant 388 00:23:12,583 --> 00:23:14,750 and the deep division that a bitter fight may cause 389 00:23:14,833 --> 00:23:18,875 has convinced me that I must relinquish my title as Miss America. 390 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:26,000 CARLA GOURIAGE: As an African-American working for Penthouse 391 00:23:26,042 --> 00:23:30,208 I was so incensed about what it was going to do to her 392 00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:33,583 and what it meant for us as a community. 393 00:23:33,667 --> 00:23:37,375 It just was like, cruel and unnecessary. 394 00:23:39,667 --> 00:23:41,417 It was gonna sell a lot of copies, 395 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:44,375 but it was definitely gonna destroy her career. 396 00:23:49,458 --> 00:23:50,708 I will burn this magazine now. 397 00:23:52,583 --> 00:23:56,125 NINA: The backlash, I just couldn't believe. 398 00:23:56,208 --> 00:23:58,458 A lot of people were pissed off. 399 00:23:58,583 --> 00:24:00,875 The phones were ringing off the hook. 400 00:24:00,958 --> 00:24:02,917 They were just ringing off the hook. 401 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000 They implied we were trying to sabotage the first black Miss America. 402 00:24:07,042 --> 00:24:11,167 ALL: (CHANTING) Boycott Penthouse! Boycott Penthouse! 403 00:24:11,208 --> 00:24:13,750 Then all of a sudden it was just out of control. 404 00:24:13,875 --> 00:24:16,083 Somebody was hired to shoot Dad. 405 00:24:17,875 --> 00:24:21,000 (PEOPLE SCREAMING) 406 00:24:21,083 --> 00:24:24,542 They took a shot at him through the window. They missed him. 407 00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:26,208 Thank goodness. 408 00:24:28,333 --> 00:24:30,208 NICK: I couldn't believe it. 409 00:24:30,292 --> 00:24:33,708 The shooting, it scared me a little bit and I think scared everybody. 410 00:24:36,042 --> 00:24:38,750 It was a really difficult situation. 411 00:24:38,833 --> 00:24:42,208 I mean, people were hating Bob at that time. 412 00:24:42,292 --> 00:24:43,917 I have no regrets. 413 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,667 My first duty, my first responsibility is to my readers. 414 00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:49,875 In his mind, he felt very justified. 415 00:24:49,958 --> 00:24:54,750 It was... He had nothing to do with it except that he paid for them 416 00:24:54,833 --> 00:24:57,000 and the American people had the right to see them. 417 00:24:57,083 --> 00:24:58,500 That was always his thing. 418 00:24:58,542 --> 00:25:00,458 "The American people have the right to know." 419 00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:03,125 Is it morally right to do? Did he ruin her life? 420 00:25:03,208 --> 00:25:04,042 Um... 421 00:25:08,917 --> 00:25:10,375 You know... 422 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:13,000 I don't know if it was wrong or not. 423 00:25:13,042 --> 00:25:15,458 I think it was gutsy of him to do that. 424 00:25:15,542 --> 00:25:17,208 He knew he'd be sued. 425 00:25:17,292 --> 00:25:20,875 He knew that the phones would be ringing off the hook. 426 00:25:22,292 --> 00:25:23,583 That was his business. 427 00:25:25,125 --> 00:25:27,042 NINA: People would ask me like, you know, 428 00:25:27,125 --> 00:25:29,042 "How do you feel about this? How do you..." 429 00:25:29,125 --> 00:25:30,625 I'd say, "I don't know any different." 430 00:25:31,708 --> 00:25:33,167 He was just my Dad. 431 00:25:34,208 --> 00:25:35,125 You loved the person... 432 00:25:37,042 --> 00:25:38,167 and hate what they did. 433 00:25:40,667 --> 00:25:42,375 But when you're making that much money, 434 00:25:42,458 --> 00:25:45,750 it's really hard to tell somebody they're doing something wrong. 435 00:25:53,083 --> 00:25:57,833 I met Nicky right away because he lived in the mansion with Bob and Kathy. 436 00:25:57,875 --> 00:26:01,500 He looked identical to Bob when Bob was young. 437 00:26:01,583 --> 00:26:04,917 Very tall, very handsome, very charming, funny. 438 00:26:06,708 --> 00:26:08,917 Nicky and I were teenagers. 439 00:26:10,208 --> 00:26:13,208 I felt like we related to each other. 440 00:26:13,292 --> 00:26:17,000 Not to go too deep, but I came from a very dysfunctional family. 441 00:26:17,083 --> 00:26:19,833 And there was no love in my family. 442 00:26:19,917 --> 00:26:22,667 Everybody was sort of detached and not emotionally there. 443 00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:27,000 And I think Nicky went through the same thing 444 00:26:28,417 --> 00:26:32,750 because Bob had more of a relationship with the Pets 445 00:26:32,875 --> 00:26:35,542 than he did with his sons and his daughters. 446 00:26:37,542 --> 00:26:41,042 He'd say, "Hey, what's your name again? I'm sorry, you look familiar." 447 00:26:41,125 --> 00:26:43,208 "I'm Nick, Dad. I'm your son." "Oh, yeah, I remember now." 448 00:26:45,042 --> 00:26:47,375 That's what it was like in the mansion. 449 00:26:47,542 --> 00:26:49,250 I was that estranged from him. 450 00:26:52,708 --> 00:26:56,667 It's really not good, right, to be isolated like that. 451 00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:58,958 Something's going to give. Something's going to break. 452 00:27:01,708 --> 00:27:03,708 NICK: One night, Sheila, 453 00:27:03,875 --> 00:27:06,583 she goes, I'm going upstairs. "Goodnight, Nicky." I said, "I'll come up with you." 454 00:27:09,208 --> 00:27:12,667 KENNEDY: Nicky basically came to my room 455 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:15,375 and he brings a bottle of champagne 456 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:19,250 and two crystal glasses with stems, 457 00:27:20,542 --> 00:27:23,167 and he starts talking and he goes, 458 00:27:23,167 --> 00:27:26,500 "Look at you. You're innocent, you're sweet, you're nice. 459 00:27:26,667 --> 00:27:27,958 "He's gonna take that away from you." 460 00:27:28,042 --> 00:27:30,667 And I said, "What are you talking about? 461 00:27:30,708 --> 00:27:32,000 "I'm just having him photograph me." 462 00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:33,833 He goes, "No, no, no. That's not how it goes. 463 00:27:33,833 --> 00:27:35,792 "He's just gonna use you. 464 00:27:35,875 --> 00:27:37,667 "He's gonna take everything away from you. 465 00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:39,750 "You're nothing to him. You're a ball of fluff." 466 00:27:42,625 --> 00:27:45,542 And I say, "Get out of my room," and he goes, "This isn't your room. 467 00:27:45,542 --> 00:27:49,333 "This is my house. This is my dad's house. Make me." 468 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:51,583 And so he still had the champagne glass in his hand. 469 00:27:51,708 --> 00:27:55,958 So I started pushing him and I was pushing him and he was laughing. 470 00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:57,833 And then finally I pushed him really hard 471 00:27:57,958 --> 00:28:00,250 and the champagne glass went right by his wrist. 472 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,792 NICK: Cut my artery over there. 473 00:28:03,875 --> 00:28:07,208 Blood everywhere, man. A puddle of blood. 474 00:28:07,292 --> 00:28:12,000 There must've been two inches of blood on a white shag rug, you know? 475 00:28:12,042 --> 00:28:13,792 He said, "Look what you made me do, you bitch." 476 00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:14,917 And he ran out of the room. 477 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,708 I went up to my room, 478 00:28:16,792 --> 00:28:20,333 and then the next thing I know, Dad is in my room on the sixth floor. 479 00:28:20,375 --> 00:28:23,125 He said, (IN DEEP VOICE) "Nick, what happened, are you okay? 480 00:28:23,208 --> 00:28:24,375 (IN NORMAL VOICE) "Well, you know, 481 00:28:26,208 --> 00:28:29,875 "I cut my hand and I went to the hospital. 482 00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:32,917 "I got 15 stitches," 483 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,667 and he said, "You shouldn't get involved with these girls." 484 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:42,917 And that was the only time my dad actually ever came up to my room. 485 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,208 The only time in ten years, 486 00:28:46,292 --> 00:28:50,208 literally ten years, that he came up to my room. 487 00:28:52,458 --> 00:28:57,000 I'm surprised he didn't say, "Nick, why did you ruin my shag rug?" 488 00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,375 (LAUGHING) You know what I mean? 489 00:29:04,292 --> 00:29:06,333 KENNEDY: Bob came up at about two or three o'clock in the morning. 490 00:29:06,375 --> 00:29:10,625 He came banging on the door, and I opened it up and he said, 491 00:29:10,625 --> 00:29:13,292 "Don't you ever go near my son again. 492 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:16,500 "Don't you ever go near my son again, or you'll be sorry." 493 00:29:20,083 --> 00:29:24,458 But after that night, Nicky and I really did sort of collide. 494 00:29:24,542 --> 00:29:25,917 And then we connected. 495 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,458 We were together after that, you know what I mean? 496 00:29:28,542 --> 00:29:30,000 Like, we were sexually together. 497 00:29:30,042 --> 00:29:30,917 (LAUGHS) 498 00:29:31,917 --> 00:29:33,458 The sex was amazing with him. 499 00:29:33,542 --> 00:29:35,083 She was... Oh, my Lord. 500 00:29:36,792 --> 00:29:38,333 But we had to keep it on the down-low 501 00:29:38,458 --> 00:29:40,833 because Bob made it very clear to his sons 502 00:29:40,875 --> 00:29:43,375 that they weren't allowed to date the Pets or sleep with the Pets. 503 00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:47,500 And I was still sleeping with Bob. 504 00:29:48,625 --> 00:29:50,792 So, yeah, 505 00:29:50,875 --> 00:29:52,833 it was really difficult. 506 00:29:56,917 --> 00:30:00,333 NEWSCASTER: We hear now from the Reverend Jerry Falwell of the Moral Majority. 507 00:30:00,417 --> 00:30:04,292 Reverend Falwell, what is it that concerns you the most about pornography? 508 00:30:04,375 --> 00:30:08,292 The evangelicals wanted Penthouse banned. 509 00:30:08,292 --> 00:30:09,958 They wanted it outlawed. 510 00:30:10,042 --> 00:30:12,833 The Moral Majority was growing and growing 511 00:30:12,917 --> 00:30:14,500 and making more demands. 512 00:30:14,583 --> 00:30:17,000 For the same reason that we do not make legal 513 00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:19,625 the sale of drugs like heroin, et cetera, 514 00:30:19,708 --> 00:30:23,958 I think that pornography should likewise be eliminated from the American scene. 515 00:30:24,042 --> 00:30:29,417 All we're simply asking is that 7,500 7-Eleven stores stop selling the garbage. 516 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:33,708 Reverend Falwell was influencing some of these commercial establishments 517 00:30:33,792 --> 00:30:36,875 like 7-Eleven not to sell Penthouse. 518 00:30:36,958 --> 00:30:39,417 NEWSCASTER: Don't bother coming here to 7-Eleven stores 519 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,375 to buy Playboy or Penthouse magazines anymore 520 00:30:42,375 --> 00:30:45,667 and don't bother going to Peoples Drug, Dart Drug or Drug Fair 521 00:30:45,792 --> 00:30:48,208 to buy Playboy or Penthouse. They're not available there, either. 522 00:30:50,458 --> 00:30:53,333 How has this controversy affected the sales of Penthouse? 523 00:30:53,375 --> 00:30:57,667 We've lost something close to 400,000 copies a month. 524 00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:00,583 It's been very, very devastating. 525 00:31:00,667 --> 00:31:05,458 It was definitely a major financial blow to the company. 526 00:31:05,542 --> 00:31:07,833 When they started pulling us from the newsstands, 527 00:31:07,917 --> 00:31:11,083 we felt the pinch. 528 00:31:11,208 --> 00:31:14,292 The magazine sales are dropping. You're losing readers 529 00:31:14,375 --> 00:31:16,792 and if you don't have the eyeballs, 530 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,333 you don't have the advertising. 531 00:31:18,375 --> 00:31:20,167 So the advertisers were starting to pull out 532 00:31:20,208 --> 00:31:22,000 because we didn't have the readership. 533 00:31:22,042 --> 00:31:24,583 So it became a huge issue. 534 00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:27,958 That's when Penthouse started having real problems. 535 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,833 KENNEDY: Bob was into some really, 536 00:31:39,208 --> 00:31:41,208 some bizarre stuff that turned him on. 537 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:48,167 One night, Kathy was in, in Europe 538 00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:51,000 and I went down to his bedroom 539 00:31:51,083 --> 00:31:55,500 and I don't know how he came up with this, but he said, 540 00:31:55,542 --> 00:31:58,833 "You know, honey, there's something I'd really love for you to do." 541 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,458 I'm like, "What?" 542 00:32:00,458 --> 00:32:04,333 And he goes, "Um, have you ever heard of a Golden Shower?" 543 00:32:04,375 --> 00:32:09,458 And I'm like, "I'm not peeing on you in the bed." 544 00:32:09,542 --> 00:32:11,000 And he said, "Why not?" 545 00:32:11,042 --> 00:32:14,292 And I go, "Because I was a bed-wetter when I was young. 546 00:32:16,083 --> 00:32:19,042 "I wet the bed when I was a young girl 547 00:32:19,125 --> 00:32:22,625 "because of all the, I guess, the trauma, 548 00:32:22,708 --> 00:32:26,500 "and all the stuff that went on in the household when I was young." 549 00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:32,667 So he goes, "Okay, well, what if we go in Kathy's bathtub?" 550 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:34,792 And I was like, "Okay." 551 00:32:34,875 --> 00:32:36,167 And we went in there. 552 00:32:36,292 --> 00:32:38,208 He got down into the shower. 553 00:32:38,292 --> 00:32:41,125 He had all his gold chains on totally nude, 554 00:32:41,792 --> 00:32:44,292 and I just peed on him. 555 00:32:46,333 --> 00:32:49,083 I just found it such an odd fetish. 556 00:32:49,208 --> 00:32:51,333 Like, who would do that? 557 00:32:51,333 --> 00:32:54,250 Like, who likes that? He was totally turned on by it. 558 00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:59,500 I have no idea why I was still there. 559 00:32:59,542 --> 00:33:00,708 That should have done it. 560 00:33:02,625 --> 00:33:07,333 And I was trying so desperately to move out of there. 561 00:33:07,458 --> 00:33:11,917 But I just honestly, I didn't know what I was gonna do 562 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,542 after I left such a situation where everything is taken care of for you. 563 00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:21,417 I am trapped in this, this bubble. 564 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,333 I'm like the loneliest girl in the world. 565 00:33:23,417 --> 00:33:28,333 I might live in, like, a beautiful, glamorous mansion, 566 00:33:28,333 --> 00:33:32,250 but I'm lonely. I go to bed at night alone. 567 00:33:39,792 --> 00:33:43,500 I'm going to see Nicky Guccione. 568 00:33:43,583 --> 00:33:46,667 I've got the little, Iike, butterflies going. 569 00:33:46,708 --> 00:33:51,500 It's just like I'm starting to feel, like, back when I was a teenager 570 00:33:51,625 --> 00:33:55,667 and we used to hang out in the house, in the mansion. 571 00:34:00,875 --> 00:34:03,583 DIRECTOR: Sheila, we've got the letter that Nick wrote you 572 00:34:03,667 --> 00:34:06,000 when you were living together at the mansion. 573 00:34:06,042 --> 00:34:07,208 KENNEDY: Oh, wow. 574 00:34:09,708 --> 00:34:10,625 Okay. 575 00:34:12,917 --> 00:34:14,333 Okay. Um... 576 00:34:16,792 --> 00:34:19,417 "Dearest Sheila, my mind is reeling. 577 00:34:20,042 --> 00:34:21,500 "We can talk. 578 00:34:21,625 --> 00:34:26,500 "I feel as easy as if we have known each other for years. 579 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:30,000 "Probably because we're both often sensitive 580 00:34:30,083 --> 00:34:32,375 "and basically tuned into each other." 581 00:34:41,167 --> 00:34:43,042 (NICK LAUGHS) 582 00:34:43,167 --> 00:34:46,333 KENNEDY: Hey, what are we doing here? 583 00:34:46,458 --> 00:34:49,792 I got to say hello to Sheila Kennedy over here. Get over here. 584 00:34:49,875 --> 00:34:51,167 (LAUGHS AND EXCLAIMS) 585 00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:55,000 KENNEDY: Oh, my God. 586 00:34:55,083 --> 00:34:57,125 Thank you. Thank you so much. 587 00:34:57,208 --> 00:34:59,000 KENNEDY: "When you speak, I listen. 588 00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:01,250 "When you laugh, I smile." 589 00:35:01,375 --> 00:35:03,167 This is almost gonna make me cry. 590 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:05,333 Haven't read this in a long time. 591 00:35:07,042 --> 00:35:10,250 "I guess what I'm trying to say is... 592 00:35:11,833 --> 00:35:14,042 "We're friends always, 593 00:35:14,125 --> 00:35:16,542 "for we have established something 594 00:35:16,625 --> 00:35:20,375 "that is really a great bond between us, 595 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:24,875 "which is worth its weight in gold." 596 00:35:24,958 --> 00:35:28,167 Remember I had that canopy bed? It was, like, Laura Ashley. 597 00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:33,208 He was troubled. But Nicky was a very good kid. 598 00:35:35,167 --> 00:35:36,833 And when he wrote that note to me 599 00:35:36,875 --> 00:35:39,125 and it was sweet and sad at the same time 600 00:35:39,208 --> 00:35:40,583 because I did care about him. 601 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 We were the same person. 602 00:35:45,042 --> 00:35:48,667 It's like, we're alone. At the end of the day, we're alone. 603 00:35:48,708 --> 00:35:53,000 -Once a goddess... -(LAUGHS) Well, you were my goddess back then. 604 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,708 Let me take your glasses. 605 00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:58,458 We were comforting each other. 606 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:03,667 NICK: Oh, my God. I can't believe this, sweet pie. 607 00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:05,542 KENNEDY: I know. 608 00:36:05,625 --> 00:36:06,875 NICK: Can you imagine the (BLEEP) we've gone through? Oh, my God. 609 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000 KENNEDY: Yes. We survived it, though. 610 00:36:09,125 --> 00:36:12,417 Not unscathed, but we definitely survived it. 611 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,417 I was (BLEEP) nuts about you. 612 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,583 But we had some good times. Do you not think? 613 00:36:17,667 --> 00:36:20,833 -Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. -Come on, we had some great times. 614 00:36:20,875 --> 00:36:22,250 NICK: Come here. 615 00:36:22,417 --> 00:36:25,250 KENNEDY: Come here. We're gonna keep in touch, right? 616 00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:27,375 NICK: Hell, yeah. KENNEDY: Okay? 617 00:36:27,458 --> 00:36:29,792 NICK: Absolutely. I'm so glad you came. KENNEDY: We better. 618 00:36:29,875 --> 00:36:30,833 NICK: Thanks. 619 00:36:33,917 --> 00:36:35,500 Pick up your phone if I call you. 620 00:36:39,792 --> 00:36:41,583 I'm Arlene Harrison, and my guest is Kathy Keeton, 621 00:36:41,667 --> 00:36:44,583 and we're here in her beautiful townhouse in New York City. 622 00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:47,625 You met Bob Guccione in London. 623 00:36:47,708 --> 00:36:50,500 What made you believe in him, personally, 624 00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:54,083 in the man that would make you change your life? 625 00:36:54,208 --> 00:36:57,125 I had a strange feeling when I first met Bob that I had known him all my life. 626 00:36:57,208 --> 00:36:59,958 (CHUCKLING) I don't know if you ever meet people and you feel that, 627 00:37:00,042 --> 00:37:04,208 but I felt totally comfortable and that this man was perfectly trustworthy. 628 00:37:04,292 --> 00:37:07,250 And I knew everything about him. I just felt I knew it. 629 00:37:09,250 --> 00:37:10,875 KENNEDY: Kathy was exhausted. 630 00:37:10,958 --> 00:37:13,833 She was thinking, I'm never gonna have you to myself. 631 00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:21,167 She was jealous of anyone that Bob really cared about. 632 00:37:21,208 --> 00:37:23,542 Bob and I are very private people, 633 00:37:23,625 --> 00:37:25,667 which sounds crazy, but we are. 634 00:37:27,375 --> 00:37:29,417 KENNEDY: Kathy was attracted to women as well. 635 00:37:31,833 --> 00:37:35,750 It's like, "You either let me in on it so I can see what's going on, 636 00:37:35,833 --> 00:37:36,750 "or she's out." 637 00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:39,958 I always told Bob, I said, 638 00:37:40,042 --> 00:37:44,625 "If I ever have some sort of relationship with a woman, it wouldn't be her." 639 00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:50,500 But he brought it up during the photo shoot. 640 00:37:50,583 --> 00:37:53,917 The one where I've got the page boy hat on and I'm on the bicycle. 641 00:37:58,292 --> 00:38:01,417 He made it sound like she wanted me. 642 00:38:01,542 --> 00:38:04,000 And I was like, "No, I'm not into her. 643 00:38:06,542 --> 00:38:08,917 "I don't want to do it and I don't have to do it." 644 00:38:10,208 --> 00:38:12,417 No one wanted to sleep with her. 645 00:38:12,542 --> 00:38:13,792 It was her personality. 646 00:38:16,083 --> 00:38:18,625 She just had this air about her that was really odd 647 00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:21,708 and then eventually he broke me down. 648 00:38:25,333 --> 00:38:28,292 It was the first time in my life that I thought, 649 00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:30,083 "This isn't you. 650 00:38:30,167 --> 00:38:31,750 "You did not have to do this." 651 00:38:34,542 --> 00:38:39,833 But I just knew that I was going to be out if I didn't do it. 652 00:38:39,875 --> 00:38:42,792 It was something that if there's one thing I regret with Penthouse, 653 00:38:42,875 --> 00:38:43,792 it's that. 654 00:38:48,292 --> 00:38:51,708 CHERYL RIXON: A lot of the girls were sleeping with Bob and Kathy, 655 00:38:51,792 --> 00:38:57,083 but I think he only did that when he needed to. 656 00:38:57,208 --> 00:38:58,958 It was a control measure. 657 00:39:01,083 --> 00:39:06,750 He had girls that were happy to perform living in the mansion. 658 00:39:06,875 --> 00:39:12,250 I think he only had a relationship with them 659 00:39:12,333 --> 00:39:18,042 to further his goals of what he needed. 660 00:39:18,042 --> 00:39:21,500 JANE HARGRAVE: He had this power and control well established. 661 00:39:23,042 --> 00:39:24,833 Living in their house, 662 00:39:24,875 --> 00:39:28,208 looking back, I realize that, you know, it was a rip-off. 663 00:39:28,292 --> 00:39:30,583 The girls, 664 00:39:30,667 --> 00:39:34,083 I thought they were just used really, and not valued at all. 665 00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:47,875 KENNEDY: We're on East 67th Street 666 00:39:47,958 --> 00:39:50,583 between Fifth and Madison, 667 00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:54,833 Bob Guccione's Mansion where I lived for ten years off and on. 668 00:39:55,875 --> 00:39:58,125 Every time I'm in Manhattan, I come here. 669 00:40:00,458 --> 00:40:04,125 I almost can feel his spirit when I come here. 670 00:40:08,208 --> 00:40:09,750 After I was with Kathy, 671 00:40:11,375 --> 00:40:12,583 that's when they fired me. 672 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,125 I don't know why. 673 00:40:20,792 --> 00:40:22,958 I need a minute. 674 00:40:23,042 --> 00:40:28,375 (CRYING) Um, yeah, it was huge, it shocked me. 675 00:40:29,125 --> 00:40:30,000 Really did. 676 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,917 Some time had passed and I was living in California 677 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,625 and I really felt like I wanted to reach out to Bob 678 00:40:41,708 --> 00:40:44,375 and send him a card and tell him how grateful I was 679 00:40:44,458 --> 00:40:46,792 and how I enjoyed living in the mansion. 680 00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:50,792 But I never heard back from him. 681 00:40:52,375 --> 00:40:53,500 Nothing. 682 00:40:57,708 --> 00:41:01,667 And I thought to myself, "I spent all these years," 683 00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:07,417 and then just all of a sudden it was literally I was banished from Penthouse. 684 00:41:09,542 --> 00:41:11,042 As if it never happened. 685 00:41:15,417 --> 00:41:17,500 Maybe I made it all up somehow. 686 00:41:24,625 --> 00:41:29,917 For Dad with the girls, they weren't relationships. 687 00:41:30,042 --> 00:41:36,500 Kathy was his partner, and everything else was, was, you know, icing. 688 00:41:40,042 --> 00:41:45,000 He made you feel special and that made you wanna please him. 689 00:41:45,083 --> 00:41:48,250 That was his little Svengali trick. 690 00:41:50,917 --> 00:41:53,833 He felt that he could do no wrong. 691 00:41:56,833 --> 00:41:58,875 And that was his downfall in the end. 692 00:42:05,667 --> 00:42:08,000 The 1990s in the adult industry, 693 00:42:08,083 --> 00:42:09,875 things changed. 694 00:42:10,833 --> 00:42:13,917 BLOCH: Video was a big deal. 695 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,583 It's fast, it's happening, it's cool. 696 00:42:15,708 --> 00:42:18,875 Dad wouldn't admit he wasn't up to speed. 697 00:42:18,958 --> 00:42:22,458 You wanted, like, a 19-year-old guy running it. 698 00:42:22,458 --> 00:42:24,500 Like me. 699 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,458 LINDEMULDER: He was young. He's a little bit of a wild one. 700 00:42:27,542 --> 00:42:28,458 Completely out of control. 701 00:42:28,542 --> 00:42:30,250 Yes! Yes! 702 00:42:31,833 --> 00:42:34,000 BELANGER: Bob was this big successful businessman. 703 00:42:34,125 --> 00:42:36,083 He doesn't have as much money as he thinks. 704 00:42:36,167 --> 00:42:38,583 NINA: He shouldn't have gone into gambling. 705 00:42:38,708 --> 00:42:41,042 It was bleeding the company dry. 706 00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:43,667 NEWSCASTER 1: Bob Guccione is on trial. 707 00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:47,000 Guccione turned her into his personal sex slave. 708 00:42:47,083 --> 00:42:49,500 The handwriting was on the wall. You can't treat people like this. 709 00:42:49,583 --> 00:42:51,375 There is a thing called karma. 710 00:42:51,458 --> 00:42:53,292 Things had taken a really bad turn, 711 00:42:53,417 --> 00:42:54,917 and it was not gonna end well.