1 00:00:07,757 --> 00:00:09,300 {\an8}OK, there's lots of good Canadian music out there. 2 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:11,219 {\an8}We're gonna do a couple of songs. 3 00:00:11,219 --> 00:00:15,390 Uh, for anybody from Alberta, this is Four Strong Winds. 4 00:00:15,390 --> 00:00:20,353 ♪ Four strong winds that blow lonely ♪ 5 00:00:20,353 --> 00:00:23,314 ♪ Seven seas that run high ♪ 6 00:00:23,314 --> 00:00:27,485 My name is Tamara Lee Reynolds. 7 00:00:27,485 --> 00:00:30,572 ♪ Change come what may ♪ 8 00:00:30,572 --> 00:00:33,825 We've been playing about ten years. 9 00:00:33,825 --> 00:00:36,453 One of the ladies in my book club 10 00:00:36,453 --> 00:00:38,496 offered to teach us in her home. 11 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:41,124 So about seven of us signed up. 12 00:00:41,124 --> 00:00:42,876 And then the class kept getting bigger. 13 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:47,547 Bars and nightclubs and, you know, whatever. 14 00:00:47,547 --> 00:00:50,133 Yeah, Jimmy Fallon might get word of us. 15 00:00:54,637 --> 00:00:56,139 That was fun. 16 00:01:00,935 --> 00:01:03,563 I'm the proud mother of four boys. 17 00:01:03,563 --> 00:01:04,856 This is Ryan. 18 00:01:04,856 --> 00:01:09,736 This is Jeffrey, Terry, and Patrick. 19 00:01:09,736 --> 00:01:13,364 Ryan kind of was an old soul, and I 20 00:01:13,364 --> 00:01:15,742 always say that I think he brought himself up. 21 00:01:15,742 --> 00:01:18,453 You know, he had the example of the older boys, 22 00:01:18,453 --> 00:01:20,205 who kind of looked out for him. 23 00:01:20,205 --> 00:01:26,503 And, um, he just had, um, some wisdom about him. 24 00:01:26,503 --> 00:01:30,882 But it was not easy growing up as Jim Reynolds' sons. 25 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:33,593 Sometimes Jim was not-- like, a lot of times-- 26 00:01:33,593 --> 00:01:35,637 not emotionally available. 27 00:01:35,637 --> 00:01:39,224 So I--my role, as far as I can see it, 28 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:41,726 was to be emotionally available for the kids. 29 00:01:41,726 --> 00:01:43,478 Um, that was a tough time, 30 00:01:43,478 --> 00:01:46,106 and it was very hard for me 31 00:01:46,106 --> 00:01:50,985 because I could see he was overdisciplining the kids. 32 00:01:50,985 --> 00:01:52,821 But he didn't know any differently. 33 00:01:52,821 --> 00:01:54,739 He would just explode, 34 00:01:54,739 --> 00:01:56,574 occasionally, you know, throw something 35 00:01:56,574 --> 00:01:58,952 against the wall that had to be fixed after, 36 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:01,621 and then he went, damn, I got to fix all this now. 37 00:02:01,621 --> 00:02:04,374 And I went, yep. 38 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:07,127 You know, I think he kind of forgot to have fun 39 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,129 with them too. 40 00:02:11,297 --> 00:02:13,633 When he was diagnosed with Parkinson's, 41 00:02:13,633 --> 00:02:15,051 it was a--a downward journey. 42 00:02:15,051 --> 00:02:17,095 It was a tough situation. 43 00:02:20,431 --> 00:02:24,477 Ryan would love to have Jim here 44 00:02:24,477 --> 00:02:27,355 to see how well he's doing, 45 00:02:27,355 --> 00:02:29,232 as would the other boys. 46 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:32,944 Jim did the best he could with what he knew at the time. 47 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:36,865 His emotional kit was a little lacking, not quite adequate. 48 00:02:36,865 --> 00:02:40,743 I'm pleased as a mom to see all four boys 49 00:02:40,743 --> 00:02:44,080 reconciling the past in a way that works for them. 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,334 They know that Jim would have been so proud of them. 51 00:02:52,005 --> 00:02:55,133 ♪ Don't forget where you came from ♪ 52 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:57,886 ♪ Don't forget what you're made of ♪ 53 00:02:57,886 --> 00:03:00,763 ♪ The ones who were there ♪ 54 00:03:00,763 --> 00:03:03,933 ♪ When no one else would care ♪ 55 00:03:03,933 --> 00:03:07,103 ♪ Don't be afraid to cry now ♪ 56 00:03:07,103 --> 00:03:11,274 {\an8}♪ Even when the world comes crashing in ♪ 57 00:03:13,401 --> 00:03:17,864 ♪ Don't forget to sing when you win ♪ 58 00:03:22,535 --> 00:03:26,831 ♪ Don't forget to sing when you win ♪ 59 00:03:31,544 --> 00:03:32,795 My relationship with my father 60 00:03:32,795 --> 00:03:37,133 was almost exclusively tethered and held together 61 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:40,762 by our mutual love of sports. 62 00:03:40,762 --> 00:03:42,222 It was kind of everything, you know, 63 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:44,390 the only thing we talked about, so it was just so much. 64 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:46,559 It was such a harbor in the tempest 65 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:47,810 there for so many people. 66 00:03:47,810 --> 00:03:49,020 It's a safe place to always return to. 67 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:50,855 - Yeah. - So no matter what happens, 68 00:03:50,855 --> 00:03:52,857 no matter how frayed or fractured 69 00:03:52,857 --> 00:03:54,317 your relationship might be, 70 00:03:54,317 --> 00:03:56,194 it's a common ground that you can always... 71 00:03:56,194 --> 00:03:57,320 Yeah. 72 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,364 Come back to and reset and restart. 73 00:03:59,364 --> 00:04:01,658 This is a generational experience. 74 00:04:01,658 --> 00:04:04,619 Um, and there are so many things that we pass on-- 75 00:04:04,619 --> 00:04:07,205 that we inherit and that we pass on. 76 00:04:07,205 --> 00:04:09,457 When I think about this experience with Wrexham, 77 00:04:09,457 --> 00:04:11,292 I try to think of all the wonderful things 78 00:04:11,292 --> 00:04:12,877 that were passed down to me. 79 00:04:12,877 --> 00:04:16,506 And I try to take the best parts of those things 80 00:04:16,506 --> 00:04:19,259 and give those to my children. 81 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:20,468 My kids are obsessed with Wrexham. 82 00:04:20,468 --> 00:04:21,928 They're obsessed with Wrexham. 83 00:04:25,848 --> 00:04:27,684 {\an8}Wrexham! Wrexham! 84 00:04:27,684 --> 00:04:32,021 Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham! 85 00:04:32,021 --> 00:04:33,481 {\an8}Come on, Ollie. 86 00:04:33,481 --> 00:04:35,566 {\an8}Very fortunate to have a father 87 00:04:35,566 --> 00:04:38,152 who's very much in my life and my kids' lives. 88 00:04:38,152 --> 00:04:40,947 And, you know, to have a great relationship with him is-- 89 00:04:40,947 --> 00:04:42,657 is fantastic for me and--and my kids 90 00:04:42,657 --> 00:04:44,867 because, you know, I--I say to people, 91 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:46,494 he's like one of my best mates, you know. 92 00:04:46,494 --> 00:04:47,745 Oh! 93 00:04:47,745 --> 00:04:52,083 Oh, for--come on. What? Tozer. 94 00:04:52,083 --> 00:04:54,877 Oh, no, I was just-- 95 00:04:54,877 --> 00:04:58,172 When you become a parent, my first thought was, 96 00:04:58,172 --> 00:05:00,049 what a wanker I used to be. 97 00:05:00,049 --> 00:05:01,843 - Wow. - What do you mean, used to be? 98 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:06,597 Yeah, so I just felt like I had so many thank-yous 99 00:05:06,597 --> 00:05:07,849 to give to my parents. 100 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:10,601 And I--I was kind of in awe 101 00:05:10,601 --> 00:05:12,812 of what they'd done for me growing up. 102 00:05:12,812 --> 00:05:14,772 I think, with me, though, I'm not really 103 00:05:14,772 --> 00:05:16,733 spending much quality time with my children, 104 00:05:16,733 --> 00:05:18,276 apart from on a Sunday. 105 00:05:20,111 --> 00:05:21,612 {\an8}-CHILD: Daddy. What? 106 00:05:23,406 --> 00:05:25,283 {\an8}Ollie, do you want coffee or tea? 107 00:05:25,283 --> 00:05:27,201 No, I won't have any caffeine till the game. 108 00:05:27,201 --> 00:05:29,078 I'll have tea-- actually, do you know what? 109 00:05:29,078 --> 00:05:31,331 I think there's more caffeine in tea than there is coffee. 110 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:32,623 So do you want a coffee or a tea? 111 00:05:32,623 --> 00:05:34,250 Yeah, fuck it. 112 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:35,376 So a coffee or a tea? 113 00:05:35,376 --> 00:05:36,919 Yeah, I'll have a coffee, please. 114 00:05:36,919 --> 00:05:39,255 It's been hard for me because I've been away from my family. 115 00:05:39,255 --> 00:05:41,341 40 number 6. 116 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:43,593 If we could move Wrexham down to London, 117 00:05:43,593 --> 00:05:45,428 that would be ideal scenario. 118 00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:49,349 But that's unfortunately impossible, so yeah, 119 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:51,392 we've just got to keep-- keep going, 120 00:05:51,392 --> 00:05:52,810 making it work how we are. 121 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:54,395 And we've kind of found a bit of a middle ground now 122 00:05:54,395 --> 00:05:57,106 with how I travel up and staying up here 123 00:05:57,106 --> 00:06:00,026 and getting home and being at home at the right times and... 124 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:01,736 It's been over a year now since-- 125 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:03,154 Yeah, it's been over a year 126 00:06:03,154 --> 00:06:04,781 since I've actually been at home on a match day. 127 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:07,450 Yeah, this is as normal as-- and as homely 128 00:06:07,450 --> 00:06:09,327 as it would get, I guess. 129 00:06:09,327 --> 00:06:10,578 Isn't it? 130 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:12,246 Sometimes my wife says, you know, this isn't-- 131 00:06:12,246 --> 00:06:14,165 this isn't what married life's meant to be like. 132 00:06:14,165 --> 00:06:16,501 But what is it meant to be like? 133 00:06:16,501 --> 00:06:18,669 I don't know. I don't know. 134 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:20,213 You've got to make do, and you've got to work things 135 00:06:20,213 --> 00:06:22,840 out and, uh, make sacrifices. 136 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:24,634 And she understands that, 137 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:26,719 and my kids are learning to understand that. 138 00:06:26,719 --> 00:06:28,096 Or was it Mummy? 139 00:06:28,096 --> 00:06:30,515 I am actually missing that-- his football, 140 00:06:30,515 --> 00:06:32,433 which is our biggest passion together. 141 00:06:32,433 --> 00:06:35,103 You know, he gets upset about me not being there. 142 00:06:35,103 --> 00:06:36,771 My dad was away a lot. 143 00:06:36,771 --> 00:06:38,564 And, um, for me, that was always exciting 144 00:06:38,564 --> 00:06:40,024 to have my dad at football games. 145 00:06:40,024 --> 00:06:42,610 I remember I used to be like, yes, Dad's here, 146 00:06:42,610 --> 00:06:44,404 because it wasn't an everyday occurrence 147 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:46,197 because you had work. 148 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:49,742 Oh! 149 00:06:49,742 --> 00:06:52,161 I've always wanted to be a policeman. 150 00:06:52,161 --> 00:06:56,874 And that's what I aimed to do and actually got in at 18. 151 00:06:56,874 --> 00:07:00,044 As time went on, I went into Royalty Protection. 152 00:07:00,044 --> 00:07:02,588 I worked with various members of the royal family, 153 00:07:02,588 --> 00:07:05,007 queen being one of them. 154 00:07:05,007 --> 00:07:07,593 And then my last six years of my, uh, service, 155 00:07:07,593 --> 00:07:09,637 I was personal protection officer 156 00:07:09,637 --> 00:07:13,182 to the Prince of Wales, who is now Majesty the King. 157 00:07:13,182 --> 00:07:14,517 I mean, there are huge moments. 158 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:16,436 You know, there's going down the Thames 159 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:18,896 on the royal barge for the Jubilee 160 00:07:18,896 --> 00:07:21,232 or Remembrance Sunday 161 00:07:21,232 --> 00:07:23,860 or even the Royal Albert Hall, 162 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:26,112 uh, Royal Variety Performance 163 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:28,281 with Dame Edna Everage in the royal box, 164 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:29,782 which is a good clip. 165 00:07:39,917 --> 00:07:42,670 To be part of all those big events, 166 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:44,881 you know, it's such a privilege. 167 00:07:44,881 --> 00:07:49,760 But it entailed going away for two or three days a week 168 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,388 or even two weeks at times. 169 00:07:52,388 --> 00:07:53,764 Come on, Ollie. That's it. 170 00:07:53,764 --> 00:07:55,308 Control it. 171 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:58,686 There were times when they were younger when Ollie's got a-- 172 00:07:58,686 --> 00:08:01,314 you know, he's in the semifinal of a cup match 173 00:08:01,314 --> 00:08:03,691 or a school play. 174 00:08:03,691 --> 00:08:06,068 Or you've organized to go out and do something, 175 00:08:06,068 --> 00:08:09,071 and all of a sudden, the day before or two days before, 176 00:08:09,071 --> 00:08:10,907 it's totally rearranged, 177 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:13,409 and--and you disappoint the family, 178 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:15,328 um, that you're not gonna be there. 179 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:18,247 I mean, you have to ask Ollie how many times I've-- 180 00:08:18,247 --> 00:08:20,291 I've disappointed him over the years, 181 00:08:20,291 --> 00:08:22,418 together with his brother and sister. 182 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,631 My mum and dad, obviously, divorced 183 00:08:26,631 --> 00:08:29,550 when I was about 11 or 12. 184 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:32,345 {\an8}I was very happily married to Ollie's dad. 185 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:34,555 {\an8}Um... 186 00:08:34,555 --> 00:08:37,016 we had a--I thought we had a great marriage. 187 00:08:37,016 --> 00:08:40,061 And we had three wonderful children. 188 00:08:40,061 --> 00:08:44,065 I was very confident about the future 189 00:08:44,065 --> 00:08:48,194 and, um, loved our family life. 190 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:50,112 But then Andy left. 191 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:53,658 I was devastated because I always thought 192 00:08:53,658 --> 00:08:55,785 that I would always be married to Andy. 193 00:08:55,785 --> 00:08:58,829 I, you know, loved him a lot, um, 194 00:08:58,829 --> 00:09:02,124 so I suppose it--it... 195 00:09:02,124 --> 00:09:04,460 blew my world apart. 196 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:08,005 Any marital split-up with--with children involved 197 00:09:08,005 --> 00:09:11,676 is a huge upset. 198 00:09:11,676 --> 00:09:16,973 That was a very difficult time for me personally. 199 00:09:16,973 --> 00:09:20,851 How do I go about telling my three children, 200 00:09:20,851 --> 00:09:23,854 who I love to bits, that-- 201 00:09:23,854 --> 00:09:26,482 that Daddy is not gonna be around anymore 202 00:09:26,482 --> 00:09:29,360 and Daddy's gonna move out of the house? 203 00:09:30,444 --> 00:09:34,156 That was, like, a really fucking hard day. Um... 204 00:09:36,117 --> 00:09:38,911 It's more--it's more the arguing of my mum and my dad. 205 00:09:38,911 --> 00:09:41,163 That's what I really remember, just sitting in-- 206 00:09:41,163 --> 00:09:42,707 in the study... Yeah. 207 00:09:42,707 --> 00:09:45,793 And hearing you two arguing in the dining room. 208 00:09:45,793 --> 00:09:47,211 And then we was all crying. 209 00:09:47,211 --> 00:09:49,213 Yeah. 210 00:09:49,213 --> 00:09:52,341 It wasn't an easy divorce. 211 00:09:52,341 --> 00:09:54,176 I'll put it that way. 212 00:09:54,176 --> 00:09:58,055 At that point in time when-- when he left, we didn't know. 213 00:09:58,055 --> 00:09:59,849 I didn't know the reason. 214 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:02,018 Um, kept thinking it was another woman. 215 00:10:03,644 --> 00:10:08,482 I didn't find out the truth until months later. 216 00:10:08,482 --> 00:10:10,318 Well, it took a long time. 217 00:10:10,318 --> 00:10:12,903 It didn't--it wasn't an overnight decision. 218 00:10:12,903 --> 00:10:17,408 It was months and months of deciding 219 00:10:17,408 --> 00:10:19,702 of what route do I take, 220 00:10:19,702 --> 00:10:22,788 and how do I go about telling my children 221 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:25,374 their dad is also gay? 222 00:10:32,882 --> 00:10:34,133 On my agenda: 223 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:36,927 uh, players' house, match-day travel, 224 00:10:36,927 --> 00:10:39,764 program, safeguarding, 225 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:42,975 match confirmations to other clubs, 226 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:46,937 match officials, scouts, um, a bit on medical. 227 00:10:46,937 --> 00:10:48,689 Mitch, can you speak to Lee 228 00:10:48,689 --> 00:10:50,858 about, um, menus for next season? 229 00:10:50,858 --> 00:10:52,193 Yeah. 230 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:53,736 Uh, and then just some practical bits 231 00:10:53,736 --> 00:10:55,029 around training schedules, really, 232 00:10:55,029 --> 00:10:56,572 so everybody's aligned. 233 00:10:56,572 --> 00:10:59,408 So yeah, a bit varied, in no particular order. 234 00:11:01,243 --> 00:11:05,164 Every day is different within a football club. 235 00:11:05,164 --> 00:11:06,374 Particularly here, over the last two years, 236 00:11:06,374 --> 00:11:08,793 it's--we've seen such a growth. 237 00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:11,128 It's definitely a daily challenge. 238 00:11:11,128 --> 00:11:12,630 {\an8}It's like you've got a castle of gin. 239 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:15,049 {\an8}I know. I haven't got tempted yet. 240 00:11:16,342 --> 00:11:18,177 I'm sure I will at some point, but not yet. 241 00:11:18,177 --> 00:11:21,263 For the family, it's, you know, the people who don't see you, 242 00:11:21,263 --> 00:11:22,515 you know, for six days a week 243 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,433 and phone calls on Christmas Day 244 00:11:24,433 --> 00:11:26,310 or in the night and all sorts of things, 245 00:11:26,310 --> 00:11:27,978 but, you know, that--that's what you take on 246 00:11:27,978 --> 00:11:30,564 and that's what you love, really. 247 00:11:30,564 --> 00:11:33,275 Yeah, I think, to get me here, there's not been any sort of, 248 00:11:33,275 --> 00:11:35,027 you know, one defining moment. 249 00:11:35,027 --> 00:11:37,947 I think it's many years of, um, probably working 250 00:11:37,947 --> 00:11:39,949 in a family business and working for my father, 251 00:11:39,949 --> 00:11:42,243 {\an8}where there is no favoritism or anything like that. 252 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:43,619 {\an8}You have to work harder than everybody else 253 00:11:43,619 --> 00:11:44,829 to prove yourself. 254 00:11:44,829 --> 00:11:46,747 And, uh, that put me in good stead 255 00:11:46,747 --> 00:11:49,792 for, you know, what I'm doing now. 256 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:51,877 So my father originally was at Burton Albion. 257 00:11:51,877 --> 00:11:54,130 I think he started as a commercial manager 258 00:11:54,130 --> 00:11:56,173 and then was a chairman first time round. 259 00:11:56,173 --> 00:11:57,550 So when I was a child, I can remember 260 00:11:57,550 --> 00:12:00,052 sitting with the tea ladies in the tearoom 261 00:12:00,052 --> 00:12:02,972 {\an8}and then, after the matches, sitting in the changing rooms 262 00:12:02,972 --> 00:12:04,515 while my dad spoke to the manager 263 00:12:04,515 --> 00:12:07,143 after the game, which I have very vivid memories 264 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:08,978 of the-- the old-style baths there 265 00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:10,730 with all the dirty water in it 266 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:12,398 and the smell of liniment everywhere. 267 00:12:12,398 --> 00:12:14,442 But, uh... 268 00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:15,901 Well, when you're a child, 269 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:17,528 you don't think about it, do you, particularly? 270 00:12:17,528 --> 00:12:19,947 You just, you know, go with your dad to watch football. 271 00:12:19,947 --> 00:12:21,907 And--but now I look back, you know, 272 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:23,784 we've had some very special times together 273 00:12:23,784 --> 00:12:25,995 and, uh, you know, moments that, 274 00:12:25,995 --> 00:12:27,121 you know, last forever, really, 275 00:12:27,121 --> 00:12:28,247 creating those moments. 276 00:12:28,247 --> 00:12:30,207 So it's been great. 277 00:12:30,207 --> 00:12:31,625 And that's--that's the only day I've seen you 278 00:12:31,625 --> 00:12:34,295 with tears in your eyes, on the day, uh, I left. 279 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:36,756 I've learned everything, you know, 280 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,716 from working with my dad, you know, 281 00:12:38,716 --> 00:12:41,761 from the values that he brings, you know, 282 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:43,137 that community engagement, 283 00:12:43,137 --> 00:12:45,139 which has always been the--the main priority. 284 00:12:45,139 --> 00:12:46,474 You--you create the right culture 285 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:48,434 within your environment. 286 00:12:48,434 --> 00:12:50,561 He's the oldest kitman in the country. 287 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:51,979 - 80... - 3. 288 00:12:51,979 --> 00:12:54,231 83, yeah. How long you been here, Rocky? 289 00:12:54,231 --> 00:12:55,816 - 29 years... - 29. 290 00:12:55,816 --> 00:12:58,360 14 days, 16 hours through now. 291 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,780 My dad's starting life was--was challenging, 292 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:02,990 you know, with his circumstances with his-- 293 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:05,868 you know, his mom bringing him up as a single parent. 294 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:08,329 And, you know, that's created my dad 295 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:09,705 to be the person that he is today, 296 00:13:09,705 --> 00:13:11,916 and that--that's filtered to myself. 297 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:15,127 Fleur's made a massive contribution to where-- 298 00:13:15,127 --> 00:13:16,921 to this club's success and journey 299 00:13:16,921 --> 00:13:18,339 over all those years, you know. 300 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:19,965 My problem now is getting ahold of her. 301 00:13:19,965 --> 00:13:21,926 She's so committed and focused on Wrexham 302 00:13:21,926 --> 00:13:23,886 that it probably takes her two days to ring me back, 303 00:13:23,886 --> 00:13:26,388 you know, so that's the downside. 304 00:13:26,388 --> 00:13:28,390 Thank you. 305 00:13:37,691 --> 00:13:40,277 My life was Andy Palmer, 306 00:13:40,277 --> 00:13:43,030 the heterosexual married man, 307 00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:45,950 three children, um, 308 00:13:45,950 --> 00:13:47,827 being a police officer. 309 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:49,411 Um, and now all of a sudden, 310 00:13:49,411 --> 00:13:51,956 the people that thought they knew me, 311 00:13:51,956 --> 00:13:54,792 suddenly they know a different person. 312 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:58,003 Yeah, it was a shock, shock to my system. 313 00:13:58,003 --> 00:14:01,966 And I wished I'd found out when it happened 314 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:04,260 and that he was honest and truthful with me. 315 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:08,222 And we sort of kept it from the children. 316 00:14:08,222 --> 00:14:10,766 Uh, and that wasn't my choice. 317 00:14:10,766 --> 00:14:14,103 We ended up telling them about 18 months later. 318 00:14:14,103 --> 00:14:16,605 They don't write books about how to go about it. 319 00:14:16,605 --> 00:14:20,526 And you never know how your children are gonna react. 320 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:25,447 I think my oldest child found it the hardest, 321 00:14:25,447 --> 00:14:28,534 but Ollie took it in his stride, really. 322 00:14:28,534 --> 00:14:30,995 He seemed to accept it, 323 00:14:30,995 --> 00:14:34,707 accept the situation that we were in. 324 00:14:34,707 --> 00:14:38,711 My dad didn't really ever express himself as a--as a-- 325 00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:40,713 as a person, as a dad. 326 00:14:40,713 --> 00:14:43,966 He didn't let us know how he was feeling. 327 00:14:43,966 --> 00:14:46,343 And we spoke about that when I got older. 328 00:14:46,343 --> 00:14:49,263 We spoke about why he kept things back. 329 00:14:49,263 --> 00:14:54,518 We spoke about why he made some decisions that he made. 330 00:14:54,518 --> 00:14:58,230 You know, he mentioned that he wanted to keep 331 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:00,441 his feelings to himself 332 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:03,402 because I was not old enough to understand them. 333 00:15:03,402 --> 00:15:06,739 I was--that's OK. That was his choice, you know? 334 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,199 Do you know what I found really comforting 335 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:11,577 is that we did have a good marriage, 336 00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:14,788 and actually, he didn't leave me for another woman. 337 00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:17,041 Um, he actually left me for another guy. 338 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:19,251 And I can't compete with that. 339 00:15:19,251 --> 00:15:23,547 And he did say to me, you're the only woman I'll ever love. 340 00:15:23,547 --> 00:15:27,259 And I always get a lot of comfort from that. 341 00:15:29,553 --> 00:15:31,513 I'm getting emotional now because I've never 342 00:15:31,513 --> 00:15:33,098 spoken about it. 343 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:35,017 But, you know, you're the strongest person I know. 344 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:37,019 And I love you very much. 345 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:39,021 And thank you for always being there for me. 346 00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:41,106 - Oh, thank you. - And you're the best. 347 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:42,274 You're the best mum I could have asked for. 348 00:15:42,274 --> 00:15:44,026 I love you too. Gosh. 349 00:15:44,026 --> 00:15:45,778 Here he comes. 350 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:47,154 Holding up the traffic? 351 00:15:47,154 --> 00:15:48,781 Just a typical... 352 00:15:52,910 --> 00:15:53,953 Yeah. 353 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:55,037 This is all he's done for work, 354 00:15:55,037 --> 00:15:56,121 really, last 20 years. 355 00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:57,706 I appreciate that, actually. 356 00:15:57,706 --> 00:16:00,459 Must have been an extremely tough time for you, you know? 357 00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:02,920 You had a... 358 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,171 Certain job. 359 00:16:04,171 --> 00:16:07,007 Certain job which come with a lot of coverage. 360 00:16:07,007 --> 00:16:08,217 Yeah. 361 00:16:08,217 --> 00:16:12,763 And also, you had parents who were-- 362 00:16:12,763 --> 00:16:14,139 what's the word? 363 00:16:14,139 --> 00:16:17,768 You know what my dad said to me when I told him? 364 00:16:17,768 --> 00:16:18,936 No. 365 00:16:18,936 --> 00:16:21,063 He said, can you go-- go to the doctor 366 00:16:21,063 --> 00:16:23,524 and get any tablets for it? 367 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:29,363 So--but that's--that's what the people of my dad's era 368 00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:32,616 would think, that you could just go to your local doctor 369 00:16:32,616 --> 00:16:33,867 and get a cure for it. 370 00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:35,202 But this is the thing, right. 371 00:16:35,202 --> 00:16:38,038 As I speak to people openly about you being gay, 372 00:16:38,038 --> 00:16:40,582 by telling them, they go, my brother's gay. 373 00:16:40,582 --> 00:16:42,251 Well, they feel more comfortable in your-- 374 00:16:42,251 --> 00:16:43,502 This is what happened with-- 375 00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:45,170 this is what happened with Rob McElhenney. 376 00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:46,338 Yeah. 377 00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:48,090 You came to the-- to the Racecourse. 378 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:49,717 To Wrexham, yeah. 379 00:16:49,717 --> 00:16:51,260 I said to Rob, this is my dad. 380 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:53,053 This is his partner, Mark. 381 00:16:53,053 --> 00:16:55,931 And then we traveled down to the game, 382 00:16:55,931 --> 00:16:57,933 and he traveled with us. Oh, OK. 383 00:16:57,933 --> 00:17:01,061 And I said, that wasn't his business partner, by the way. 384 00:17:01,061 --> 00:17:03,355 He said, I did have an idea. I was like, why? 385 00:17:04,606 --> 00:17:07,026 Hi, my name is Helena McElhenney. 386 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:08,861 My son is Rob McElhenney. 387 00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:10,529 And this is his other mom, 388 00:17:10,529 --> 00:17:12,698 my wife, Mary Taylor. 389 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:14,324 I'm in the same position as Ollie. 390 00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:17,953 My parents got divorced when I was eight or nine. 391 00:17:17,953 --> 00:17:22,082 And as an adult, we can both look back at our parents 392 00:17:22,082 --> 00:17:25,002 and recognize the amount of courage 393 00:17:25,002 --> 00:17:27,671 that it took for them to do exactly what they did. 394 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:31,341 I was afraid not only for my children 395 00:17:31,341 --> 00:17:32,551 but for myself. 396 00:17:32,551 --> 00:17:34,303 I have so much empathy for her 397 00:17:34,303 --> 00:17:37,765 in that situation because it was a different time. 398 00:17:37,765 --> 00:17:41,310 And anybody who's over the age of 35 399 00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:43,520 who's watching this can understand. 400 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,064 And I think one of the beautiful things 401 00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:47,357 about our culture right now is, anybody under the age of 35 402 00:17:47,357 --> 00:17:49,026 might not even know what the fuck I'm talking about. 403 00:17:49,026 --> 00:17:51,487 I get asked, uh, a lot 404 00:17:51,487 --> 00:17:53,113 about what it was like to have two moms. 405 00:17:53,113 --> 00:17:55,491 And the truth is, I don't know anything different. 406 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:57,868 Um, it was pretty great. 407 00:17:57,868 --> 00:18:00,996 It definitely shaped my view of--of the world, 408 00:18:00,996 --> 00:18:02,372 my perspective. 409 00:18:02,372 --> 00:18:04,583 We had to recognize that not every family 410 00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:05,959 looked exactly the same. 411 00:18:05,959 --> 00:18:08,504 Uh, and yet we had nothing but love and support 412 00:18:08,504 --> 00:18:10,089 and compassion and empathy. 413 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:12,758 I felt like, growing up, I was the only kid 414 00:18:12,758 --> 00:18:15,052 in the world with a-- with a gay dad. 415 00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:16,303 - I'm open about it now. - Yeah. 416 00:18:16,303 --> 00:18:17,513 I--I tell people. 417 00:18:17,513 --> 00:18:19,807 Uh, I mean, I don't talk about it 418 00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:21,517 like it's a--a big event. 419 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:25,104 But, you know, if someone says, oh, um, 420 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:26,563 is your dad married? 421 00:18:26,563 --> 00:18:29,024 And they say, oh, is she coming to the game? 422 00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:30,317 I'm like, yeah, he is. 423 00:18:32,653 --> 00:18:34,029 If I could go back, 424 00:18:34,029 --> 00:18:36,532 I would tell me to not be afraid, 425 00:18:36,532 --> 00:18:40,994 to be strong and know that because you are who you are 426 00:18:40,994 --> 00:18:43,914 and you have a loving family that they'll support you. 427 00:18:49,086 --> 00:18:51,171 It's been great, really, and I wish 428 00:18:51,171 --> 00:18:52,881 we probably did do it more. 429 00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:56,260 But again, we're both really laid-back. 430 00:18:56,260 --> 00:18:59,179 We probably don't speak about our emotions 431 00:18:59,179 --> 00:19:00,597 as much as what we should. 432 00:19:00,597 --> 00:19:02,850 And that's just who we are. 433 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:04,685 But as long as my dad knows that I love him 434 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:07,896 and I know that he loves me, then I'm happy. 435 00:19:07,896 --> 00:19:10,941 Mm. Love you too. 436 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:12,401 Don't cry. 437 00:19:14,695 --> 00:19:16,613 No, we're fine. 438 00:19:16,613 --> 00:19:18,282 - All good. - Yeah, we're good. 439 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:20,993 - Love you. - Yeah. 440 00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:32,629 All right, simple. Good. 441 00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:36,258 So every football team is a--is a tapestry 442 00:19:36,258 --> 00:19:37,968 made up of all the different players, 443 00:19:37,968 --> 00:19:39,261 but they're united by the same goal, 444 00:19:39,261 --> 00:19:40,679 which is that they want to win. 445 00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:42,097 They want to do well for this town, this team, 446 00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:44,933 and get out of this league. 447 00:19:44,933 --> 00:19:46,768 Elliot was a--was a player we'd looked at 448 00:19:46,768 --> 00:19:50,439 and we chased the hardest because he had a lot of clubs 449 00:19:50,439 --> 00:19:51,690 wanting to sign him. 450 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:53,025 ♪ Here we go again ♪ 451 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:56,320 ♪ Here we go again, yeah, yeah ♪ 452 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,280 He's another great character 453 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,366 and a very gifted footballer. 454 00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:03,452 Said to my agent-- when my contract ran out 455 00:20:03,452 --> 00:20:05,454 at my last club, I said, I want to be part of something. 456 00:20:05,454 --> 00:20:07,998 I want to be part of a project, something that--that-- 457 00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:10,042 that's bigger than myself and something 458 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:11,793 that actually I'm passionate about. 459 00:20:11,793 --> 00:20:15,047 Um, and that's when the phone call from Wrexham came. 460 00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:17,174 And I was like, that's--that's sort of fate. 461 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:20,135 Like, this is probably one of the best projects in football. 462 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:21,595 Good boy! 463 00:20:25,015 --> 00:20:26,266 There you go. 464 00:20:28,268 --> 00:20:29,519 - Yeah. - Is it straight? 465 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:30,646 - Yeah, that's all right, that. - There you go. 466 00:20:30,646 --> 00:20:33,315 I was originally born in Newcastle 467 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:35,400 'cause obviously, my dad played football. 468 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,653 So, um, he was playing for Newcastle then. 469 00:20:37,653 --> 00:20:39,154 My one and only game against Wrexham 470 00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:40,697 must have been 30 years ago. 471 00:20:40,697 --> 00:20:42,241 {\an8}And that's the only time I've ever played at the Racecourse. 472 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:45,035 {\an8}But again, had huge support. 473 00:20:45,035 --> 00:20:46,995 My dad's had a really successful career. 474 00:20:46,995 --> 00:20:49,873 He's got 21 caps for the national team for England. 475 00:20:50,707 --> 00:20:53,168 What a cap signifies is the number of times 476 00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:55,462 a player appeared for his or her 477 00:20:55,462 --> 00:20:56,922 national football team. 478 00:20:56,922 --> 00:20:59,049 So if you played a match for England, 479 00:20:59,049 --> 00:21:01,260 {\an8}for example, you receive an honorary cap. 480 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,178 {\an8}So in the case of Rob Lee, 481 00:21:03,178 --> 00:21:05,222 {\an8}he's played for England 21 times, 482 00:21:05,222 --> 00:21:08,183 {\an8}and he has 21 caps. 483 00:21:08,183 --> 00:21:09,559 Don't drop that. It's all right. 484 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:10,811 You got 20 more, don't you? Yeah, I have. 485 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:12,521 Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. 486 00:21:12,521 --> 00:21:14,064 So obviously, when you're growing up 487 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,440 and you're seeing your dad do stuff like that, 488 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,609 it's--it's only natural to think, wow, one day, I-- 489 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:18,860 I want to be doing this 490 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:20,654 and I want to be playing in front of these crowds. 491 00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:21,738 To become a footballer, 492 00:21:21,738 --> 00:21:22,990 but I think seeing your dad do it 493 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:25,242 and play at the level he has is, uh-- 494 00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:27,369 was sort of a driving force in me and my brother. 495 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:29,037 And we'd get home from school, straight out in the garden, 496 00:21:29,037 --> 00:21:31,290 me and my brother just playing football all the time. 497 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:34,167 I think I'm sometimes known as the son of Rob Lee. 498 00:21:34,167 --> 00:21:36,086 Yeah, I get a good reception every time I go back. 499 00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:37,504 Mind you, if you start playing badly, 500 00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:39,423 I--I probably won't, but... 501 00:21:39,423 --> 00:21:41,300 Neither will I. 502 00:21:47,222 --> 00:21:49,474 Uh, maybe taking Wrexham to the Premier League. 503 00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:53,645 Me and Ollie Palmer went for a--for a drink 504 00:21:53,645 --> 00:21:54,896 a few weekends ago. 505 00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:57,941 And I don't think we paid for one drink, so... 506 00:21:57,941 --> 00:21:59,568 I haven't paid for one for 20 years. 507 00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:05,282 Everything I do is for my kids. 508 00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:06,867 They're--they're my absolute world. 509 00:22:06,867 --> 00:22:10,829 And I--I feel so lucky every day to--to have them. 510 00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:12,039 He is always-- 511 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:13,749 he's just always with the kids, 512 00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:15,208 just always playing with the kids. 513 00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:18,045 - Whoop! - Good boy. 514 00:22:18,045 --> 00:22:20,505 Doing everything he can to get out of laundry 515 00:22:20,505 --> 00:22:22,466 or cooking a meal. 516 00:22:22,466 --> 00:22:24,718 Whoa-ho-ho! 517 00:22:27,137 --> 00:22:30,432 Um--oh, I don't know why I'm crying. 518 00:22:30,432 --> 00:22:33,352 He's just really, really caring, um, 519 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,271 does everything for the kids 520 00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:38,023 and for me and just for us. 521 00:22:38,023 --> 00:22:40,817 Everything he does is for us. 522 00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:43,779 Snuggies! Mm! 523 00:22:54,706 --> 00:22:55,874 And now I've been dragged into it. 524 00:23:00,837 --> 00:23:02,589 Just want to be a fun dad that my kids 525 00:23:02,589 --> 00:23:03,882 can look back on memories 526 00:23:03,882 --> 00:23:06,635 and just be there and be present and-- 527 00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:09,471 and them just know that I was always around. 528 00:23:09,471 --> 00:23:11,306 Bye, Daddy. 529 00:23:11,306 --> 00:23:12,516 Bye, mate. 530 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:13,600 Love ya. 531 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:25,695 Ooh, a shark's come to say hello. 532 00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:26,947 Mummy's waving. 533 00:23:26,947 --> 00:23:29,282 Here, Vinny, come see Mummy and Daddy. 534 00:23:29,282 --> 00:23:33,412 I have a policy with my children, and it's honesty. 535 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:35,205 I think, growing up, I was a little bit scared 536 00:23:35,205 --> 00:23:36,748 to go to my parents to say 537 00:23:36,748 --> 00:23:38,083 if I'd done something wrong. 538 00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:39,584 That's probably because I'd done a lot wrong. 539 00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:41,878 So I wouldn't tell them the truth, 540 00:23:41,878 --> 00:23:43,964 and--and problems wouldn't get resolved. 541 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:46,842 That is a queen triggerfish in the wild. 542 00:23:46,842 --> 00:23:48,301 They don't really like divers, 543 00:23:48,301 --> 00:23:51,596 but Freddie's quite used to us now. 544 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:53,265 Probably very similar to my dad 545 00:23:53,265 --> 00:23:55,100 in ways that I probably don't want 546 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,352 to be because I want to be able to come out 547 00:23:57,352 --> 00:23:59,521 and talk about things. 548 00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:02,774 Filming with you lot has been like therapy at times. 549 00:24:04,609 --> 00:24:07,279 Chatting with my dad, never done that, 550 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,322 never spoke about things growing up. 551 00:24:09,322 --> 00:24:12,492 Same with my mum. 552 00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:13,827 It's been great. 553 00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:16,705 It's been great to open up. 554 00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:18,999 It's been great to hear them say that 555 00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:22,419 they might have done things differently. 556 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:27,340 But for me, what's done is done. 557 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:29,426 You know, you can't rewind. 558 00:24:29,426 --> 00:24:31,344 That's what I say about life. 559 00:24:31,344 --> 00:24:33,555 The most precious, expensive thing that we all have 560 00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:36,600 is time, and... 561 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,226 it's how you spend it. 562 00:24:46,526 --> 00:24:47,861 My date tonight. This is my mom. 563 00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,529 Aw, that's perfect. 564 00:25:03,418 --> 00:25:06,796 ♪ Time's washed away ♪ 565 00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:13,762 ♪ Memories left behind ♪ 566 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:16,890 ♪ Stars can be revealed ♪ 567 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:22,979 ♪ When the skies clear ♪ 568 00:25:22,979 --> 00:25:29,945 ♪ Voices raising up generations ♪