1 00:00:06,353 --> 00:00:10,009 And now, Rob McElhenney! 2 00:00:14,492 --> 00:00:17,799 Hello! 3 00:00:24,632 --> 00:00:27,809 Please welcome my wife, the incomparable Kaitlin Olson. 4 00:00:33,424 --> 00:00:35,382 Remember that clip that you showed earlier 5 00:00:35,513 --> 00:00:39,038 before the commercial, where we were all in England, 6 00:00:39,169 --> 00:00:41,040 celebrating what we thought was-- 7 00:00:41,214 --> 00:00:43,042 - Yeah, a goal. - You know, a goal. 8 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:45,697 Um, can we play that, just the last part again? 9 00:00:45,827 --> 00:00:47,960 Somebody needs to explain the offside rule... 10 00:00:48,047 --> 00:00:48,961 Yeah. To the A-listers. 11 00:00:49,092 --> 00:00:51,181 Oh. Yeah? Oh, yeah. 12 00:00:54,184 --> 00:00:56,664 Oh, wow. The-- 13 00:00:56,751 --> 00:00:57,752 There I am. 14 00:00:57,926 --> 00:00:58,971 I turn around to, you know, 15 00:00:59,102 --> 00:01:00,712 congratulate my husband, 16 00:01:00,842 --> 00:01:03,323 and you just go ahead and jump right into the arms 17 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:06,761 of Ryan Reynolds, just aggressively. 18 00:01:06,848 --> 00:01:07,980 - Okay. - You made a dec-- 19 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:10,287 you saw me, and you turned, 20 00:01:10,417 --> 00:01:12,854 and you jumped right into his arms. 21 00:01:13,028 --> 00:01:15,292 In fairness... Yeah? 22 00:01:15,422 --> 00:01:18,121 Who wouldn't want to jump into the arms of Ryan Reynolds? 23 00:01:18,208 --> 00:01:19,557 BUDDY HOLLY [singing]: Every day 24 00:01:19,644 --> 00:01:21,863 It's a-getting closer 25 00:01:21,994 --> 00:01:25,302 Going faster than a roller coaster 26 00:01:25,432 --> 00:01:30,133 Love like yours will surely come my way 27 00:01:30,220 --> 00:01:32,439 A-hey, a-hey-hey 28 00:01:32,613 --> 00:01:36,226 Every day, it's a-getting faster 29 00:01:36,313 --> 00:01:39,751 Everyone said, "Go ahead and ask her" 30 00:01:39,881 --> 00:01:44,234 Love like yours will surely come my way 31 00:01:44,364 --> 00:01:46,671 A-hey, a-hey-hey 32 00:01:46,801 --> 00:01:52,894 Love like yours will surely come my way 33 00:02:03,949 --> 00:02:04,950 No. 34 00:02:07,126 --> 00:02:09,607 I did hear. 35 00:02:09,694 --> 00:02:11,391 Kind of don't even know who he is. 36 00:02:11,478 --> 00:02:14,046 I'm supposed to know who he is, but apparently, 37 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:15,830 he's someone in a movie. 38 00:02:15,917 --> 00:02:17,049 I don't know if you should say that in the mic. 39 00:02:17,136 --> 00:02:18,050 It's true. 40 00:02:18,224 --> 00:02:20,270 I don't know who he is, either. 41 00:02:20,357 --> 00:02:21,271 - Who is he? - But I'm sure he'll do well. 42 00:02:21,445 --> 00:02:22,837 - Do you know who he is? - We wish him well, 43 00:02:23,011 --> 00:02:24,274 whoever he is. 44 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:29,496 So when this whole thing started, I said to Kaitlin, 45 00:02:29,627 --> 00:02:31,281 what do you think about me seeing if Ryan 46 00:02:31,455 --> 00:02:33,370 would want to do this with me, like, 50-50? 47 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:37,200 And she said, "Do you think your ego could handle 48 00:02:37,287 --> 00:02:39,202 sharing a screen with Ryan Reynolds?" 49 00:02:45,164 --> 00:02:46,992 That-- that doesn't surprise me. 50 00:02:47,079 --> 00:02:48,515 He's not that well-known. 51 00:02:48,646 --> 00:02:51,083 Well, he's got Rob backing him now, and Humphrey. 52 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:53,259 So the guy'll go somewhere. 53 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:54,782 You set up-- I gotta get in here. 54 00:02:54,869 --> 00:02:56,958 Haha. All right. 55 00:02:57,132 --> 00:02:58,438 All right, see you soon. 56 00:02:58,525 --> 00:02:59,744 I will, uh-- I will see you soon. Bye. 57 00:02:59,874 --> 00:03:01,615 So let's start from the very beginning. 58 00:03:01,746 --> 00:03:05,967 Um, Ryan, I hear your friendship actually started 59 00:03:06,141 --> 00:03:08,883 when Rob slid into your DMs. 60 00:03:08,970 --> 00:03:10,102 Do you want to spill the tea on that one a little bit? 61 00:03:10,276 --> 00:03:12,887 No! No, I slid into his DMs. 62 00:03:12,974 --> 00:03:14,106 Oh, you slid into his DMs? 63 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,977 Oh, my God, yeah. I mean-- 64 00:03:16,151 --> 00:03:17,414 How quickly-- - Are you kidding me? 65 00:03:17,588 --> 00:03:19,329 How quickly the story changes. I know. 66 00:03:19,416 --> 00:03:21,896 Okay, so Ryan, this is what's called a soundstage. 67 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:23,637 Really? Yeah. 68 00:03:23,768 --> 00:03:25,073 And they don't use ceilings? 69 00:03:25,204 --> 00:03:27,554 They make movies, they make TV. 70 00:03:27,728 --> 00:03:29,252 Well, there is a ceiling. 71 00:03:29,339 --> 00:03:31,689 I'd seen an episode of his show 72 00:03:31,776 --> 00:03:35,780 that I found to be particularly inspiring and beautiful. 73 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:37,782 I slid into his DMs, and I wrote, 74 00:03:37,956 --> 00:03:40,001 "Powder my bottom and put me to bed." 75 00:03:40,132 --> 00:03:42,003 This is not actually a bar. 76 00:03:42,134 --> 00:03:43,570 Look at this. 77 00:03:43,744 --> 00:03:45,006 Yeah. 78 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:48,140 Oh, wow. Yeah. 79 00:03:48,227 --> 00:03:50,447 He DM'd me back, and then we kind of became, 80 00:03:50,577 --> 00:03:52,144 you know, digital friends-- Yeah. 81 00:03:52,231 --> 00:03:54,581 Which later turned into real-life human friends. 82 00:03:54,712 --> 00:03:56,583 Platonic relationships between men 83 00:03:56,757 --> 00:03:59,282 is a complicated subject. 84 00:03:59,369 --> 00:04:01,109 And Ryan and I had questions. 85 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,722 So we went to the only logical place for answers-- 86 00:04:04,809 --> 00:04:05,810 a woman. 87 00:04:05,940 --> 00:04:07,464 Hi, my name is Liz Plank. 88 00:04:07,594 --> 00:04:09,596 And I am the author of For the Love of Men: 89 00:04:09,727 --> 00:04:11,381 A Vision for Mindful Masculinity. 90 00:04:11,555 --> 00:04:12,730 I'm a journalist. 91 00:04:12,817 --> 00:04:15,820 I'm a filmmaker, a columnist, podcast. 92 00:04:15,994 --> 00:04:17,604 I noticed, in the first episode of the show, 93 00:04:17,735 --> 00:04:21,260 Rob said that he went to Ryan for "movie money." 94 00:04:21,434 --> 00:04:24,263 Also felt like an excuse to actually 95 00:04:24,437 --> 00:04:26,309 probably be friends with Ryan and spend time with Ryan. 96 00:04:29,137 --> 00:04:29,964 - You're, like, dating? - I don't know. 97 00:04:30,138 --> 00:04:31,966 I'm definitely gonna swoon. 98 00:04:32,053 --> 00:04:35,709 So you gotta--you gotta stay wide for that shot. 99 00:04:35,883 --> 00:04:38,408 'Cause if you see my eyes, I'm gonna be, like, floating. 100 00:04:40,192 --> 00:04:42,194 He's probably gonna pick me up like a child. 101 00:04:42,281 --> 00:04:45,415 And cradle me. 102 00:04:45,502 --> 00:04:48,505 There's also the weird phenomenon, that is true, 103 00:04:48,635 --> 00:04:51,508 that if you see--if you watch somebody long enough 104 00:04:51,638 --> 00:04:53,727 over an extended period of time, 105 00:04:53,858 --> 00:04:55,076 you start to feel like you know them anyway. 106 00:04:55,207 --> 00:04:59,733 So even before we connected, you know, 107 00:04:59,907 --> 00:05:01,169 you get a sense that you kind of know that person, 108 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:02,388 even though you don't. 109 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:05,435 We became pretty close, pretty fast. 110 00:05:05,609 --> 00:05:06,523 - The Rookie. - Okay. 111 00:05:06,653 --> 00:05:08,394 - Dennis Quaid. - Whoa, look-- 112 00:05:08,525 --> 00:05:10,091 Like, a 40-year-old pitcher in the major-- 113 00:05:10,222 --> 00:05:13,530 Can we just address the-- 114 00:05:13,704 --> 00:05:16,141 can we address the mustache in the room? 115 00:05:20,928 --> 00:05:23,453 I've heard a lot of people refer to our relationship 116 00:05:23,627 --> 00:05:24,889 as a bromance. 117 00:05:25,019 --> 00:05:26,543 I find that fascinating. 118 00:05:26,673 --> 00:05:29,894 The definition of the word bromance is just-- 119 00:05:30,024 --> 00:05:33,637 it's a platonic relationship between two men. 120 00:05:33,767 --> 00:05:36,204 There's no female equivalent to the term bromance. 121 00:05:36,335 --> 00:05:38,555 The female equivalent is friends. 122 00:05:38,685 --> 00:05:42,994 And so the fact that we need a term to describe two men 123 00:05:43,124 --> 00:05:46,040 going out to dinner, I think, is very revealing 124 00:05:46,127 --> 00:05:49,392 about what men are allowed or are not allowed to do, 125 00:05:49,479 --> 00:05:51,785 and how much self-policing there is 126 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:54,788 when it comes to their relationships with other men. 127 00:05:54,919 --> 00:05:57,138 It's so funny, and so indicative 128 00:05:57,312 --> 00:05:59,271 of where we are as a culture now, 129 00:05:59,358 --> 00:06:03,014 that we have to use cute terms to define 130 00:06:03,144 --> 00:06:05,059 an intimate relationship between two men. 131 00:06:05,146 --> 00:06:06,452 I don't know why. 132 00:06:06,583 --> 00:06:07,497 I think maybe it's because it's easier for us 133 00:06:07,627 --> 00:06:10,238 to talk about it by making it sound 134 00:06:10,369 --> 00:06:11,936 a little bit more juvenile, 135 00:06:12,066 --> 00:06:13,720 or just cute and funny. 136 00:06:13,894 --> 00:06:16,201 So bromance is almost this permission 137 00:06:16,288 --> 00:06:18,290 for men to connect, 138 00:06:18,421 --> 00:06:20,945 and to show love to each other. 139 00:06:21,119 --> 00:06:22,816 Because it's like-- it's like a joke. 140 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:26,429 I've been waiting for the right, peaceful moment 141 00:06:26,516 --> 00:06:28,735 to ask you, 142 00:06:28,866 --> 00:06:31,608 do you harbor any anger 143 00:06:31,738 --> 00:06:33,610 and/or resentment towards me 144 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:36,439 for asking you to do this? 145 00:06:36,526 --> 00:06:37,831 My wife wants to kill you, Rob. 146 00:06:37,962 --> 00:06:38,528 Yeah. 147 00:06:46,884 --> 00:06:48,494 Men prove their manhood 148 00:06:48,625 --> 00:06:52,977 by ascribing to the definition of masculinity 149 00:06:53,151 --> 00:06:55,545 that they've been told they need to aspire to, 150 00:06:55,632 --> 00:06:58,548 which is, you know, domination, aggression, 151 00:06:58,678 --> 00:07:00,332 winning at all costs. 152 00:07:00,506 --> 00:07:01,638 - This is what men do! - Yeah! 153 00:07:01,768 --> 00:07:03,335 - This is men stuff! - Yeah! 154 00:07:03,422 --> 00:07:05,772 Traditionally, men have liked to get together 155 00:07:05,946 --> 00:07:08,775 with groups of other men and do stuff, 156 00:07:08,906 --> 00:07:12,213 whether that be go to football matches, 157 00:07:12,387 --> 00:07:13,998 play football, play golf, 158 00:07:14,128 --> 00:07:16,000 drink, uh, 159 00:07:16,174 --> 00:07:19,046 hang out, talk, shoot the shit, 160 00:07:19,133 --> 00:07:20,700 rove in gangs, 161 00:07:20,787 --> 00:07:22,223 beat the living shit out of each other, 162 00:07:22,397 --> 00:07:23,442 compete with one another. 163 00:07:23,573 --> 00:07:25,226 Look at my heel. - Right? 164 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,228 - You have a heel, too! - Yeah, I--I wear-- 165 00:07:27,402 --> 00:07:28,708 And I wore... - This is great. 166 00:07:28,795 --> 00:07:31,885 Three-inch lifts just to really hammer home-- 167 00:07:32,016 --> 00:07:33,365 George said to establish dominance right away. 168 00:07:33,496 --> 00:07:34,932 I know, but it's not happening. 169 00:07:35,019 --> 00:07:36,586 - No, I know, not at all. - Yes! 170 00:07:36,673 --> 00:07:37,804 And I'm very thin compared to these guns. 171 00:07:37,935 --> 00:07:39,719 - Yeah, look at this. Yeah. - Good Lord. 172 00:07:39,806 --> 00:07:42,243 I read somewhere that lifting weights 173 00:07:42,417 --> 00:07:43,941 increases height. - True. 174 00:07:44,028 --> 00:07:45,116 Give me some more gum for Dennis. 175 00:07:45,246 --> 00:07:46,770 - No, I don't trust you. - Why not? 176 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:47,684 'Cause you're just gonna put it in your mouth 177 00:07:47,814 --> 00:07:49,947 and eat it again. - I won't. I promise. 178 00:07:50,034 --> 00:07:52,384 Hmm, his neck is high. It makes me trust him. 179 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:53,472 Good posture, bro. Okay. 180 00:07:53,603 --> 00:07:55,474 - Come on. - All right, I trust you. 181 00:07:55,648 --> 00:07:56,475 - How are you? - What's your name? 182 00:07:56,649 --> 00:07:57,476 - Good, how are you? - James. 183 00:07:57,607 --> 00:07:59,043 I just find it really funny 184 00:07:59,173 --> 00:08:01,698 just watching men, like, greet each other. 185 00:08:01,872 --> 00:08:04,701 I feel like I have secondhand stress 186 00:08:04,875 --> 00:08:06,920 about seeing two men sometimes greet each other. 187 00:08:07,051 --> 00:08:08,618 Because sometimes it's like a straight-up handshake. 188 00:08:08,748 --> 00:08:10,620 Sometimes, it's the handshake, but like, 189 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:12,056 kind of the clap, and then they, like, 190 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:13,492 still kind of touch. 191 00:08:13,623 --> 00:08:15,059 Sometimes, it's the handshake 192 00:08:15,189 --> 00:08:16,582 followed by the hug, tap, tap. 193 00:08:16,713 --> 00:08:18,149 And then it keeps going while they're talking, 194 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:19,629 but sometimes they pull out. 195 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:22,153 There's-- there's the fist bump, 196 00:08:22,283 --> 00:08:23,546 obviously, as well. 197 00:08:23,633 --> 00:08:25,635 I feel confused, and I feel stressed 198 00:08:25,809 --> 00:08:27,724 seeing men trying to greet each other. 199 00:08:27,854 --> 00:08:30,074 It's very weird. Like, I'm a hugger. 200 00:08:30,248 --> 00:08:32,555 But like, some guys will throw in the-- 201 00:08:32,642 --> 00:08:34,557 they need the hand-- 202 00:08:34,644 --> 00:08:36,297 Oh, with the hug? 203 00:08:36,428 --> 00:08:37,734 The hand with the hug because you can't just-- 204 00:08:37,864 --> 00:08:39,170 You can't touch hearts. For the hug. 205 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:40,388 Okay, yes. Okay. 206 00:08:40,519 --> 00:08:41,085 That's too intimate. 207 00:08:41,215 --> 00:08:42,739 Too intimate. 208 00:08:42,869 --> 00:08:44,654 You gotta keep something in between the bodies. 209 00:08:44,828 --> 00:08:46,351 And then one day, you'll graduate 210 00:08:46,438 --> 00:08:50,355 to just your hearts touching. 211 00:08:50,442 --> 00:08:53,576 Sports becomes this safe space 212 00:08:53,663 --> 00:08:55,099 for men to love each other, 213 00:08:55,273 --> 00:08:56,970 and to relate to each other, 214 00:08:57,101 --> 00:09:00,452 not just, you know, emotionally, but also physically. 215 00:09:00,539 --> 00:09:02,106 Like, I just find it fascinating 216 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,110 watching, you know, men on a football field 217 00:09:06,197 --> 00:09:09,243 touching each other, and being very affectionate, 218 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:10,984 being very physically close with each other-- 219 00:09:11,115 --> 00:09:12,812 even, like, slapping each other's butts. 220 00:09:12,899 --> 00:09:14,553 When can men slap each other's butts 221 00:09:14,727 --> 00:09:16,555 except when they're on a football field? 222 00:09:18,644 --> 00:09:20,341 Do men get close with each other 223 00:09:20,515 --> 00:09:21,473 because they love sports? 224 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:23,214 Or do men do sports because 225 00:09:23,344 --> 00:09:24,911 they want to be close to each other? 226 00:09:25,042 --> 00:09:27,044 I've watched you become a massive sports fan, 227 00:09:27,131 --> 00:09:29,133 which I don't think you were before. 228 00:09:29,307 --> 00:09:30,482 I wasn't. I mean, I've always-- 229 00:09:30,613 --> 00:09:31,483 I always played sports. 230 00:09:31,614 --> 00:09:32,919 I loved playing sports. 231 00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:36,575 But the idea or the thought of this 232 00:09:36,706 --> 00:09:39,926 never, never was on my vision board. 233 00:09:40,057 --> 00:09:42,059 Part of the fun isn't just getting 234 00:09:42,146 --> 00:09:43,451 to hang out with each other, 235 00:09:43,582 --> 00:09:44,801 or having a football team together. 236 00:09:44,931 --> 00:09:46,716 It's also talking about things 237 00:09:46,803 --> 00:09:49,719 that can be, uh, uncomfortable. 238 00:09:49,806 --> 00:09:52,069 We filmed our colonoscopies together, for God's sake. 239 00:09:52,156 --> 00:09:53,592 It's the first time you've had a colonoscopy. 240 00:09:53,723 --> 00:09:54,593 - Yeah. - And-- 241 00:09:54,724 --> 00:09:56,160 We're fucking filming it. 242 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:57,161 You're filming it-- 243 00:09:57,335 --> 00:09:59,816 Which is, like, also just awful. 244 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:03,254 Can't believe you pumped all that Aviation Gin into my IV. 245 00:10:03,384 --> 00:10:06,605 I was out like a light. 246 00:10:06,779 --> 00:10:09,826 They didn't find Rosebud up there? 247 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,392 I figure I can't go wrong in terms of 248 00:10:11,523 --> 00:10:13,612 comparing myself to Ryan. 249 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:15,092 They either find nothing, 250 00:10:15,179 --> 00:10:17,398 and that means my colon was cleaner than his. 251 00:10:17,572 --> 00:10:19,052 Or they find a polyp. 252 00:10:19,183 --> 00:10:20,532 All set. 253 00:10:20,619 --> 00:10:22,186 And it's either bigger than his, 254 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,318 which is awesome, 255 00:10:24,449 --> 00:10:26,103 or it's smaller than his, 256 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:29,106 which means I had less of an opportunity to have cancer. 257 00:10:29,193 --> 00:10:30,498 Either way, I win. 258 00:10:30,629 --> 00:10:32,326 You can just relax. 259 00:10:34,851 --> 00:10:36,417 How was it before? 260 00:10:36,591 --> 00:10:37,767 It was good. 261 00:10:37,941 --> 00:10:40,639 The last one was 113 over 48. 262 00:10:43,337 --> 00:10:45,122 Is it better than Ryan's? 263 00:10:45,209 --> 00:10:47,777 Yeah. 264 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:50,257 We're back here with Ryan Reynolds and the other guy. 265 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:57,525 I think we both have enormous respect for each other, 266 00:10:57,656 --> 00:10:59,919 which is what I think is the backbone 267 00:11:00,006 --> 00:11:01,660 to any healthy relationship. 268 00:11:01,791 --> 00:11:04,184 Any endeavor at this point in my life 269 00:11:04,315 --> 00:11:07,579 is an opportunity to continue to forge new relationships. 270 00:11:07,666 --> 00:11:10,016 So it was really special, 271 00:11:10,190 --> 00:11:11,931 and has been really special to me, 272 00:11:12,018 --> 00:11:13,454 my relationship with him. 273 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:16,109 In many ways, sports becomes this performance for men 274 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,547 to really be that ideal of masculinity 275 00:11:19,678 --> 00:11:21,680 that they're told to aspire to. 276 00:11:21,811 --> 00:11:24,030 And, you know, maybe Rob and Ryan-- 277 00:11:24,161 --> 00:11:25,684 I mean, they're performers. 278 00:11:25,858 --> 00:11:28,600 And so, they're still out there, maybe some way, 279 00:11:28,687 --> 00:11:31,168 performing maybe not for their dads, 280 00:11:31,255 --> 00:11:32,691 but for each other. 281 00:11:32,865 --> 00:11:34,824 That's why Rob is a fuck-face clown. 282 00:11:34,954 --> 00:11:35,955 He's just-- Aw, man. 283 00:11:36,042 --> 00:11:37,261 Oh, Jesus. Rob-- 284 00:11:37,435 --> 00:11:38,262 oh, hi, Mr. Chairman. 285 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:39,480 How are you? 286 00:11:39,654 --> 00:11:40,699 How are you? You look nice. 287 00:11:40,873 --> 00:11:42,048 I'm sorry about interrupting you. 288 00:11:42,179 --> 00:11:43,833 I'm covered in microphones-- 289 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:44,834 - It's good to see--hi. - So I can't stand up. 290 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:46,183 - Well, hello. - Hi. 291 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:47,358 You guys are in the middle of your thing? 292 00:11:47,488 --> 00:11:49,490 God, you're handsome. Um... 293 00:11:49,664 --> 00:11:51,144 All right. - Yeah, did you get that? 294 00:11:51,275 --> 00:11:52,624 Last question. - Come here. 295 00:11:52,711 --> 00:11:55,235 Are we concerned about Ryan being overexposed? 296 00:11:55,366 --> 00:11:56,497 I think that's a fair-- - I'm plenty overexposed. 297 00:11:56,671 --> 00:11:58,064 - I think that's fair. - Come on. 298 00:11:58,238 --> 00:11:59,283 Where? You want to go in here? 299 00:11:59,413 --> 00:12:00,501 There you go. Yeah, that's good. 300 00:12:00,632 --> 00:12:01,415 Now, I feel like we're really close. 301 00:12:25,526 --> 00:12:27,398 I can make a cup of tea. 302 00:12:27,528 --> 00:12:29,182 I make the best cup of tea here. 303 00:12:29,313 --> 00:12:30,531 Why do you think they got me on here? 304 00:12:33,186 --> 00:12:34,622 Chal doesn't have sugar. 305 00:12:34,753 --> 00:12:36,799 You got to have sugar, though. 306 00:12:36,886 --> 00:12:39,323 Tea's not the same without sugar. 307 00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:41,978 Hey, you deserve a cuppa, Chal. 308 00:12:42,108 --> 00:12:43,109 See? 309 00:12:43,283 --> 00:12:44,676 There is something that-- 310 00:12:44,763 --> 00:12:47,418 I see you've got some Yorkshire bags in. 311 00:12:47,548 --> 00:12:48,898 Where's the milk? 312 00:12:49,072 --> 00:12:50,334 What? - Where's the milk? 313 00:12:50,464 --> 00:12:51,552 It's in there. 314 00:12:51,683 --> 00:12:52,249 You said you don't like too much milk. 315 00:12:52,379 --> 00:12:53,990 Eh? 316 00:12:54,164 --> 00:12:54,686 Oh, no, you like a little more milk, don't you? 317 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:55,905 Yeah. 318 00:12:56,035 --> 00:12:57,341 Well, go and have more then, Chal. 319 00:12:57,515 --> 00:12:59,430 if you're gonna be ungrateful. I'll put these away. 320 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:01,911 This is the life skills you need to learn, innit, Harry? 321 00:13:01,998 --> 00:13:03,608 A cup of tea's one of the most important things. 322 00:13:03,695 --> 00:13:05,566 It is, Chal. 323 00:13:05,697 --> 00:13:07,351 More milky next time. 324 00:13:07,525 --> 00:13:08,047 I got you. 325 00:13:10,223 --> 00:13:12,573 It's the worst cup of tea I've had all day, Harry. 326 00:13:12,704 --> 00:13:13,923 Don't put me down like that, Chal... 327 00:13:19,232 --> 00:13:22,801 Well, my earliest memory of being a fan is 328 00:13:22,932 --> 00:13:24,803 since I could talk, since I could kick a ball, 329 00:13:24,977 --> 00:13:27,153 since I've come out the womb, I just love Wrexham. 330 00:13:27,327 --> 00:13:30,156 My room is full of Wrexham stuff, to be honest. 331 00:13:30,287 --> 00:13:32,811 Being a football fan or Wrexham fan, it's just-- 332 00:13:32,942 --> 00:13:35,248 it's just run through your family, 333 00:13:35,422 --> 00:13:38,382 and my dad, obviously, and my granddad on my side. 334 00:13:38,512 --> 00:13:40,601 And they've just always been a Wrexham fan, 335 00:13:40,775 --> 00:13:42,299 and it's just run to me, now. 336 00:13:42,386 --> 00:13:44,736 So hopefully, when I have kids, they'll be Wrexham fans. 337 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:46,607 'Cause I don't think it'll ever, 338 00:13:46,738 --> 00:13:49,959 ever stop, my racecourse. 339 00:13:50,133 --> 00:13:52,613 I think that boys grow up thinking, 340 00:13:52,787 --> 00:13:54,398 "This is how I need to, 341 00:13:54,528 --> 00:13:56,617 you know, get my dad's approval." 342 00:13:56,748 --> 00:14:00,404 Because their dads, that's how they got their dad's approval. 343 00:14:00,534 --> 00:14:02,536 And it's kind of just passed down. 344 00:14:02,623 --> 00:14:03,842 Not necessarily questioned. 345 00:14:03,973 --> 00:14:06,279 I played football for nine years. 346 00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:07,759 I played rugby, I played baseball, 347 00:14:07,846 --> 00:14:11,197 and I played soccer, as we call it. 348 00:14:11,284 --> 00:14:14,548 And that was my kind of version of validation at that age, 349 00:14:14,722 --> 00:14:16,115 and--you know? 350 00:14:16,202 --> 00:14:18,988 Yeah, he really, like, valued that, you know? 351 00:14:19,075 --> 00:14:20,990 One of the really interesting things that happened 352 00:14:21,164 --> 00:14:22,992 in the pandemic is that there was 353 00:14:23,079 --> 00:14:24,428 this incredible social experiment 354 00:14:24,558 --> 00:14:27,387 where sports basically, like, went away. 355 00:14:27,518 --> 00:14:31,522 So one of the things I just started asking men around me-- 356 00:14:31,652 --> 00:14:34,133 you know, I would say, what do you miss the most about sports? 357 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:38,572 And the first guy I asked had a tear go down-- 358 00:14:38,659 --> 00:14:40,531 like, just literally go down his face. 359 00:14:40,661 --> 00:14:42,968 And he said, "Talking about it with my dad." 360 00:14:43,099 --> 00:14:46,015 And I used to go with my dad and my brother to games. 361 00:14:46,145 --> 00:14:48,800 And in general, it was a family thing. 362 00:14:48,974 --> 00:14:50,671 Growing up with-- me and my dad, 363 00:14:50,802 --> 00:14:52,673 he took me from an early age. 364 00:14:52,847 --> 00:14:55,241 And it's something that's in the blood. 365 00:14:55,372 --> 00:14:58,027 So what they miss the most about sports wasn't-- 366 00:14:58,114 --> 00:15:00,246 didn't actually have anything to do with sports. 367 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:04,903 It was about the relationships that they were able to have 368 00:15:05,034 --> 00:15:07,123 when they were watching sports together. 369 00:15:07,253 --> 00:15:08,776 I was a real youngster. 370 00:15:08,907 --> 00:15:10,256 Me dad used to take me over to Liverpool years ago 371 00:15:10,430 --> 00:15:11,910 to watch the games. 372 00:15:12,041 --> 00:15:14,347 And actually, once I moved to Wrexham, 373 00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:16,349 I just started attending Wrexham games straight away. 374 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,569 Yeah, I just started watching Wrexham and loved it. 375 00:15:18,699 --> 00:15:20,049 Just fell in love with it. 376 00:15:20,223 --> 00:15:22,225 From when I could first kick a ball, 377 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:25,271 my dad always had the belief that I was good. 378 00:15:25,445 --> 00:15:26,707 He could see that I was good. 379 00:15:26,881 --> 00:15:29,058 And I can only appreciate that because 380 00:15:29,232 --> 00:15:31,147 what I used to get from him watching 381 00:15:31,277 --> 00:15:33,627 and his feedback would drive me on even more. 382 00:15:33,714 --> 00:15:37,153 For a lot of boys who grew up being told that sports was 383 00:15:37,283 --> 00:15:39,068 where they could really prove themselves 384 00:15:39,242 --> 00:15:41,157 and have a relationship with their father, 385 00:15:41,331 --> 00:15:43,376 or have a relationship with other boys, 386 00:15:43,507 --> 00:15:46,727 they can grow up into adulthood repeating that, 387 00:15:46,901 --> 00:15:50,427 where sports becomes the way to earn that connection 388 00:15:50,557 --> 00:15:52,385 with other men. 389 00:15:52,516 --> 00:15:55,606 And maybe with our culture, or with society at large, too. 390 00:15:55,736 --> 00:15:56,781 Time to see if I still got it. 391 00:15:56,868 --> 00:15:58,522 Aye. 392 00:15:58,696 --> 00:16:02,439 It's so nice that he still wants to take his dad 393 00:16:02,526 --> 00:16:04,745 out for a pint, you know, and take him to the match, 394 00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:06,878 and look after me, and-- 395 00:16:07,009 --> 00:16:09,750 you know, with his mates. 396 00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:13,754 I'm part of a-- the crowd, if you want. 397 00:16:13,928 --> 00:16:16,192 And that's what makes me so happy, you know? 398 00:16:16,322 --> 00:16:18,324 I can't ask for anything more than that. 399 00:16:18,455 --> 00:16:21,414 Boys day out. Three generations here. 400 00:16:21,545 --> 00:16:22,850 Same as when we go to the match, 401 00:16:22,981 --> 00:16:24,243 and we've got three generations here. 402 00:16:24,330 --> 00:16:25,549 You just pass it down, don't you? 403 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:26,680 Like, you got it from Granddad. 404 00:16:26,854 --> 00:16:28,291 I got it from you. 405 00:16:28,421 --> 00:16:29,770 It's just-- and I give it to these boys. 406 00:16:29,944 --> 00:16:31,555 It's in our DNA now innit, eh? 407 00:16:31,729 --> 00:16:33,774 In our Winter DNA, lad? Muah. 408 00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:34,993 It certainly is. 409 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:36,212 - That's right, it bloody is. - Yeah? 410 00:16:51,227 --> 00:16:52,228 I'm not ready for it though, Chal. 411 00:16:52,358 --> 00:16:54,273 I told you, bit immature inside. 412 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,406 I can't even cook an egg. 413 00:16:58,451 --> 00:17:00,584 So this is when you're on a date, 414 00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:03,239 when you have the first sleepover, can make-- 415 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:05,110 you can make her an egg in the morning. 416 00:17:05,241 --> 00:17:06,503 Yeah, why don't you chuck that one in? 417 00:17:09,941 --> 00:17:11,899 You fucking idiot. 418 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:14,467 Let's--we have a really star candidate. 419 00:17:14,598 --> 00:17:17,166 What, so don't do it too hard this time, yeah? 420 00:17:17,296 --> 00:17:18,863 Take your time cracking the egg. 421 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:22,606 - Man City. - Yeah. 422 00:17:22,736 --> 00:17:24,173 When I was in grade school, 423 00:17:24,260 --> 00:17:25,522 my dad and I would just come home 424 00:17:25,609 --> 00:17:26,871 and we'd play basketball. 425 00:17:26,958 --> 00:17:29,308 And I would try to win. 426 00:17:29,395 --> 00:17:31,615 And I wouldn't let him 427 00:17:31,745 --> 00:17:32,964 let me win. 428 00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:34,705 In some ways, what is the point 429 00:17:34,835 --> 00:17:36,185 if there's no competition? 430 00:17:36,272 --> 00:17:37,751 Because that's what's sort of driving us 431 00:17:37,925 --> 00:17:39,971 all forward instinctually. 432 00:17:40,102 --> 00:17:41,277 Goal! 433 00:17:41,407 --> 00:17:43,148 And then it's only in reflection 434 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,498 where you realize, like, oh, right, 435 00:17:45,629 --> 00:17:46,891 I--who the fuck cares? 436 00:17:46,978 --> 00:17:48,849 I do not understand offsides. 437 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:50,286 Like, offsides is, like, here. 438 00:17:50,416 --> 00:17:51,635 But then it's also there. 439 00:17:51,809 --> 00:17:53,506 But when you get a penalty-- 440 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,203 It's come down to the final 20 minutes here. 441 00:17:54,377 --> 00:17:55,856 - Yes? - It's not a goal? 442 00:17:55,987 --> 00:17:57,293 Yes, it doesn't make any sense. 443 00:17:57,423 --> 00:17:59,338 I don't remember any specific game. 444 00:17:59,425 --> 00:18:01,340 I just remember-- 445 00:18:04,735 --> 00:18:06,780 I just remember playing with my dad, 446 00:18:06,954 --> 00:18:08,217 you know? 447 00:18:15,659 --> 00:18:19,010 CAT STEVENS [singing: It's not time to make a change 448 00:18:19,141 --> 00:18:22,796 Just relax, take it easy 449 00:18:22,970 --> 00:18:24,755 You're still young 450 00:18:24,885 --> 00:18:26,670 That's your fault 451 00:18:26,844 --> 00:18:30,021 There's so much you have to know 452 00:18:30,108 --> 00:18:33,807 Find a girl, settle down 453 00:18:33,894 --> 00:18:37,333 If you want, you can marry 454 00:18:37,463 --> 00:18:39,378 Look at me 455 00:18:39,465 --> 00:18:44,470 I am old, but I'm happy 456 00:18:44,644 --> 00:18:48,039 I was once like you are now 457 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,608 And I know that it's not easy 458 00:18:51,782 --> 00:18:53,914 To be calm 459 00:18:54,045 --> 00:18:58,919 When you've found something going on 460 00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:02,271 But take your time, think a lot 461 00:19:02,358 --> 00:19:05,404 Why, think of everything you've got 462 00:19:05,491 --> 00:19:09,713 For you will still be here tomorrow 463 00:19:09,843 --> 00:19:13,151 But your dreams may not 464 00:19:20,289 --> 00:19:23,292 If he's calling me his son and, you know, 465 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:25,076 taking me by his wing like he is, 466 00:19:25,163 --> 00:19:26,208 and showing me like he is, yeah, 467 00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:27,818 I'd say he does feel like-- 468 00:19:27,948 --> 00:19:29,211 he does feel like a father figure, in a way. 469 00:19:32,257 --> 00:19:33,650 Genius. - You're a master? 470 00:19:33,737 --> 00:19:35,042 Mm. 471 00:19:35,173 --> 00:19:36,609 You've got to have plenty of role models 472 00:19:36,740 --> 00:19:38,394 in your life to become who you are, haven't you? 473 00:19:38,524 --> 00:19:41,658 And... 474 00:19:41,745 --> 00:19:43,355 Yeah. 475 00:19:46,097 --> 00:19:52,799 CAT STEVENS [singing]: I know I have to go