1 00:00:48,298 --> 00:00:51,009 I see it again... 2 00:00:52,343 --> 00:00:53,470 A beautiful girl. 3 00:00:55,847 --> 00:00:59,267 She was a sickly child when she was born. 4 00:01:00,101 --> 00:01:02,979 Then she got asthma during childhood 5 00:01:04,355 --> 00:01:09,277 but when she became a mother, she was beautiful. 6 00:01:10,028 --> 00:01:12,113 A very beautiful mother. 7 00:01:17,035 --> 00:01:18,328 She smiled all the time... 8 00:01:20,205 --> 00:01:23,041 She always said hello: “Hey auntie.” 9 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:31,674 What happened to him is so sad, 10 00:01:31,758 --> 00:01:33,218 it still hurts me, 11 00:01:33,301 --> 00:01:36,596 it will surely make me forever, what happened to Janet. 12 00:01:43,812 --> 00:01:47,774 You know, one day... The girls might ask us 13 00:01:47,857 --> 00:01:49,651 and we won't get an answer. 14 00:01:51,152 --> 00:01:53,988 What to say to two pretty girls when she asks us: 15 00:01:54,072 --> 00:01:55,573 “What happened to mom?” 16 00:03:32,337 --> 00:03:33,796 It was a nice family. 17 00:03:35,924 --> 00:03:37,759 We all went to the same school... 18 00:03:39,052 --> 00:03:41,429 We played together, we did things together. 19 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,101 I was pretty close of some of Janet's aunts 20 00:03:47,602 --> 00:03:48,895 on this side. 21 00:03:50,146 --> 00:03:54,400 I'm still in shock, that they let this happen. 22 00:03:57,278 --> 00:03:58,821 That they have gone this far 23 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,658 to try to cure her. 24 00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:25,848 It was a little after 5 p.m. on a Friday. 25 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:29,394 our communications center received a call 26 00:04:29,477 --> 00:04:31,187 requesting police intervention 27 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:33,147 to an address in Wainuiomata. 28 00:04:34,774 --> 00:04:36,401 My name is Tasha Penny, 29 00:04:36,484 --> 00:04:39,946 I was a police inspector in Lower Hutt, 30 00:04:40,488 --> 00:04:42,198 deputy head of operations. 31 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:51,958 We could never have predicted 32 00:04:52,041 --> 00:04:54,294 when we entered for the first time 33 00:04:54,836 --> 00:04:57,463 what was going to happen next, 34 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,758 was something unique, 35 00:05:01,676 --> 00:05:03,469 incredibly tragic, 36 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:05,930 and it tested us all. 37 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,620 When working on a case, any one, 38 00:05:30,204 --> 00:05:34,042 it's a privilege, we have important work to do 39 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:38,296 and we worked very hard to understand 40 00:05:39,047 --> 00:05:42,842 how a family could have done this to one of their own. 41 00:05:48,347 --> 00:05:53,186 There were conflicting stories on Janet's death. 42 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:58,775 But some family members 43 00:05:58,858 --> 00:06:01,652 said she was dead hours earlier 44 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:05,323 of mental illness. 45 00:06:13,414 --> 00:06:16,626 We had to try to find out what happened, 46 00:06:16,876 --> 00:06:18,294 trying to go back in time. 47 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:21,297 We spoke to 70 people, 48 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:23,549 we let them tell their story. 49 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:27,303 One person's story doesn't have as much weight, 50 00:06:28,346 --> 00:06:30,223 but when it's a lot of people 51 00:06:30,306 --> 00:06:32,141 who tell the same story 52 00:06:32,725 --> 00:06:33,976 then there is something. 53 00:06:34,060 --> 00:06:35,478 Sit down. 54 00:06:36,979 --> 00:06:41,984 The following interrogations and all the recreated events are based on 55 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:46,781 evidence given or heard by the High Court of Justice. 56 00:06:47,365 --> 00:06:49,617 What is it to make a promise? 57 00:06:52,787 --> 00:06:56,332 A promise is... being loyal 58 00:06:56,415 --> 00:06:58,835 towards the person to whom we promised. 59 00:06:59,710 --> 00:07:01,254 So do you promise me 60 00:07:01,712 --> 00:07:05,049 that everything we say today in this room will be the truth? 61 00:07:07,802 --> 00:07:09,929 Yes, if I remember. 62 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,223 So I'm going to ask you 63 00:07:12,348 --> 00:07:15,059 to read these cards aloud, please. 64 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:21,816 "I, Glenys Wright, declare and affirm sincerely and truly 65 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:23,443 that I will tell the truth 66 00:07:23,526 --> 00:07:25,278 during this interview today." 67 00:07:28,197 --> 00:07:30,575 “I, John Tahana Rawidi... 68 00:07:32,118 --> 00:07:33,703 sincerely and truly affirms 69 00:07:33,786 --> 00:07:37,248 that I will tell the truth during today's interview." 70 00:07:40,168 --> 00:07:43,588 The family cooperated fully with the police. 71 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:48,092 My name is Phil Mitchell, I was the defense attorney 72 00:07:48,176 --> 00:07:51,220 I had to investigate the matter. 73 00:07:52,430 --> 00:07:55,141 They sincerely believed that there was something 74 00:07:55,224 --> 00:07:57,935 very bad and dangerous in it. 75 00:08:00,438 --> 00:08:02,648 We can't just 76 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:07,195 act according to bizarre beliefs and kill someone 77 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:08,946 without there being any consequences. 78 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:13,618 My name is Grant Burston, it was my responsibility 79 00:08:13,701 --> 00:08:16,579 to lead the team of prosecutors 80 00:08:16,662 --> 00:08:18,664 who led the case against 81 00:08:18,748 --> 00:08:22,084 the people responsible of Janet's death. 82 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:26,631 What did you come from talk to me today? 83 00:08:29,884 --> 00:08:32,261 Things that happened last week. 84 00:08:33,554 --> 00:08:34,722 What ? 85 00:08:34,972 --> 00:08:37,558 By Janet Moses. 86 00:08:38,809 --> 00:08:40,102 Shall we start with that? 87 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:41,521 I... 88 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:47,693 since the 21st, we have been at the Palasa hotel. 89 00:08:51,614 --> 00:08:53,824 SATURDAY 90 00:08:53,908 --> 00:08:56,994 Saturday evening, there was the 21st ceremony 91 00:08:57,078 --> 00:09:00,998 for Janet's sister at the Palasa Hotel in Wainuiomata. 92 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:04,585 Some families are very united 93 00:09:04,669 --> 00:09:06,379 but this was extraordinary. 94 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:13,803 A united family can 95 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:17,473 meet every Saturday for lunch, but these people, 96 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:22,061 they lived together, they had their own family sports team, 97 00:09:22,144 --> 00:09:23,354 they had a social life together. 98 00:09:23,437 --> 00:09:25,398 I remember many times, at trial 99 00:09:25,481 --> 00:09:28,234 people say that their best friend was their cousin. 100 00:09:28,734 --> 00:09:30,027 They did everything together. 101 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:41,831 Janet had a rough time 102 00:09:41,914 --> 00:09:43,958 in the weeks before his death, 103 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:47,628 we would have said a radical change in her. 104 00:09:50,131 --> 00:09:53,134 And Jan just...sat... 105 00:09:55,803 --> 00:09:57,346 looking at the wall. 106 00:09:59,765 --> 00:10:01,142 She didn't look good. 107 00:10:03,811 --> 00:10:05,813 It was a shock 108 00:10:05,896 --> 00:10:07,648 for everyone, 109 00:10:07,732 --> 00:10:10,943 it happened so quickly. 110 00:10:12,528 --> 00:10:13,863 My name is Dr. Rees Tapsell, 111 00:10:13,946 --> 00:10:15,865 I am a consultant psychiatrist 112 00:10:15,948 --> 00:10:18,159 I’m also of Maori descent. 113 00:10:18,242 --> 00:10:25,082 and throughout my life I was involved in... the interface 114 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:29,211 between psychiatry and cultural practices. 115 00:10:30,963 --> 00:10:33,424 Janet was very close 116 00:10:33,507 --> 00:10:35,176 from her grandmother 117 00:10:35,259 --> 00:10:37,637 and her grandmother was dead quite recently 118 00:10:38,137 --> 00:10:41,599 and she was also very stressed 119 00:10:41,682 --> 00:10:43,934 through his relationships. 120 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:49,482 And I believe that the combination of the two 121 00:10:49,565 --> 00:10:51,609 could have had a very important role 122 00:10:51,692 --> 00:10:53,361 in pressure and stress that she suffered. 123 00:10:58,908 --> 00:11:00,201 Who is Shane? 124 00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:04,080 He is Janet's companion, 125 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:07,958 they have been together for nine years, I believe. 126 00:11:10,002 --> 00:11:12,463 Tell me about him, about him that night. 127 00:11:16,675 --> 00:11:18,135 Hello, my darlings. 128 00:11:18,928 --> 00:11:20,346 Come on, let's go. 129 00:11:20,429 --> 00:11:23,015 I still hang out with my friends a little. 130 00:11:23,099 --> 00:11:24,725 Come with the children. 131 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:31,023 Hi, Louse. 132 00:11:37,988 --> 00:11:42,493 She had learned that he had cheated on her 133 00:11:43,202 --> 00:11:47,206 and then she became very reserved. 134 00:11:52,044 --> 00:11:54,296 Did you drop Janet off somewhere? 135 00:11:55,089 --> 00:11:57,425 We went to her aunts 136 00:11:57,508 --> 00:11:59,677 and we spent the night there. 137 00:12:02,054 --> 00:12:05,599 SUNDAY 138 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,398 They are coming. 139 00:12:34,795 --> 00:12:35,796 Jan. 140 00:12:40,009 --> 00:12:41,093 Jan ? 141 00:12:54,523 --> 00:12:58,277 Hey, come back inside, now, 142 00:12:59,195 --> 00:13:01,697 Come on, everything is fine. 143 00:13:01,780 --> 00:13:03,324 Our daughter was in danger, 144 00:13:03,908 --> 00:13:06,243 we decided to take him at my brother Johnny's 145 00:13:06,327 --> 00:13:08,704 and bring the family together for a hui, 146 00:13:09,246 --> 00:13:12,833 to talk about her, why she was acting like that. 147 00:13:20,508 --> 00:13:21,759 You, come this way. 148 00:13:24,345 --> 00:13:26,931 I think they often had family reunions 149 00:13:27,014 --> 00:13:28,891 to discuss everything that happened 150 00:13:28,974 --> 00:13:31,101 which is a very good tradition, 151 00:13:31,185 --> 00:13:35,314 that's probably how we did it, generations ago. 152 00:13:37,858 --> 00:13:40,194 Unfortunately the grandmother had died 153 00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:43,739 and she had been a great matriarch of this family 154 00:13:43,989 --> 00:13:47,910 for a long time and she always took charge 155 00:13:47,993 --> 00:13:50,162 of this kind of situation but she was no longer there. 156 00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:57,670 At these meetings, there is someone 157 00:13:57,753 --> 00:14:00,756 who leads or who speaks, how does it work? 158 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:07,680 Yes, it's John, he's like the head of the family. 159 00:14:12,309 --> 00:14:14,645 We put all our ideas together 160 00:14:15,688 --> 00:14:18,315 to resolve the problem with Janet. 161 00:14:23,571 --> 00:14:25,656 Usually she's a happy girl. 162 00:14:28,409 --> 00:14:30,244 We all knew that something was wrong. 163 00:14:32,955 --> 00:14:34,123 Something deep. 164 00:14:42,923 --> 00:14:46,343 She wasn't crying or anything. 165 00:14:46,844 --> 00:14:50,890 she was sitting there, and even though she was hot, 166 00:14:50,973 --> 00:14:53,601 she didn't take off her jacket. 167 00:14:54,977 --> 00:14:58,772 We went to see her to tell her: 168 00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:03,027 "I'm sorry if I hurt you," stuff like that, 169 00:15:03,444 --> 00:15:06,655 “We are all here for you, we love you,” and everything. 170 00:15:07,823 --> 00:15:10,159 Did Janet speak at this meeting? 171 00:15:12,077 --> 00:15:15,164 She was looking at the ground, that's all. 172 00:15:44,109 --> 00:15:45,402 It is very difficult to be certain 173 00:15:45,486 --> 00:15:47,738 about what really happened to Janet 174 00:15:47,821 --> 00:15:49,573 but all the evidence I've seen, 175 00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:53,243 suggest she was becoming psychotic 176 00:15:53,327 --> 00:15:58,374 and that she had changes in extreme moods. 177 00:15:58,916 --> 00:16:00,960 It's very common among people, 178 00:16:01,043 --> 00:16:04,630 to incorporate what others say 179 00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:08,092 and what others do in your psychotic belief 180 00:16:08,175 --> 00:16:11,804 and this reinforces in those who surround this person 181 00:16:12,179 --> 00:16:15,015 their way of understanding this behavior. 182 00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:16,850 It could be depression. 183 00:16:18,936 --> 00:16:21,355 Can you imagine how easy it is? 184 00:16:21,438 --> 00:16:23,691 to enter this vicious circle. 185 00:16:26,694 --> 00:16:28,237 But it is important to remember 186 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,116 that I have a particular medical paradigm 187 00:16:32,199 --> 00:16:34,952 in the way I approach mental illness... 188 00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:38,789 And everyone does not share this paradigm. 189 00:16:44,211 --> 00:16:45,921 is my ancestral mountain. 190 00:16:48,382 --> 00:16:49,675 is my tribe. 191 00:16:50,509 --> 00:16:55,806 where I live. 192 00:16:57,891 --> 00:16:59,977 and my name is Pouroto Ngaropo. 193 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:03,480 I had the privilege and the honor to be the cultural advisor 194 00:17:03,564 --> 00:17:05,899 of the prime minister from New Zealand, 195 00:17:05,983 --> 00:17:07,609 the Right Honorable Helen Clark. 196 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:10,571 We can't walk away completely of the spiritual world 197 00:17:10,654 --> 00:17:12,281 and from the Maori point of view... 198 00:17:13,115 --> 00:17:15,826 we are both 199 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:17,995 and human. 200 00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:21,957 Over the past 200 years, 201 00:17:22,416 --> 00:17:25,169 colonization took place 202 00:17:25,627 --> 00:17:28,505 where many of our beliefs and values 203 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:30,591 have been replaced. 204 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:35,220 It is important to hold on to traditional Maori beliefs... 205 00:17:36,263 --> 00:17:39,433 Maori culture, customs and practices, 206 00:17:39,516 --> 00:17:42,269 in particular... Maori spirituality. 207 00:17:43,729 --> 00:17:46,857 Those who believe, those who have knowledge, 208 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:49,902 recognition and respect for the spiritual kingdom 209 00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:51,945 know that there are things in the spiritual world 210 00:17:52,029 --> 00:17:53,447 which are positive 211 00:17:53,530 --> 00:17:57,409 but there are also spirits which have a negative nature. 212 00:18:01,246 --> 00:18:04,374 What else did you talk about at this meeting? 213 00:18:20,140 --> 00:18:21,683 There was a lion statue 214 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:24,978 which had been stolen a few weeks ago 215 00:18:25,062 --> 00:18:26,855 at the Greytown Hotel. 216 00:18:33,695 --> 00:18:37,533 Janet's sister, she had taken atua 217 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:42,663 at the Greytown Hotel, a lion, a white lion. 218 00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:46,083 - It's so heavy. - My muscles hurt. 219 00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:49,002 I think they stole this lion 220 00:18:49,086 --> 00:18:51,922 because they believed that it would be a strong symbol 221 00:18:52,005 --> 00:18:54,716 to decorate the house. 222 00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:59,138 John had a lion tattoo, 223 00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:02,975 the lion was a symbol of family 224 00:19:03,058 --> 00:19:05,477 and the symbol of their sports group. 225 00:19:06,937 --> 00:19:08,230 My name is Heather Kavan. 226 00:19:08,313 --> 00:19:10,983 I give lectures at Massey University. 227 00:19:11,066 --> 00:19:14,069 I'm researching experiences extraordinary nuns. 228 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:17,156 I studied the Moses murder trial 229 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:19,032 and I felt a connection with this matter 230 00:19:19,116 --> 00:19:21,618 because I grew up in Wainuiomata 231 00:19:21,702 --> 00:19:25,247 and Wainuiomata is a place, it is a periphery, 232 00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:28,083 it is surrounded by hills, very isolated, 233 00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:31,211 but there are niches of intense spirituality. 234 00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:45,392 My name is Tamati Cairns, 235 00:19:45,475 --> 00:19:50,355 I come from Wainuiomata, 236 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,025 I have lived in Wainuiomata since 1981. 237 00:19:53,775 --> 00:19:56,361 I was in charge of the program of social work. 238 00:19:57,029 --> 00:20:00,532 During a session, Hohepa Kereopa was there, 239 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:03,827 he guided us to a small stream to Waymanner he said: 240 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:06,330 “Choose a small pebble.” 241 00:20:06,413 --> 00:20:10,125 "Give your pebble someone's name 242 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:12,169 or something special in your life." 243 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:14,504 And we did it. 244 00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:18,800 Then Hohepa did the traditional karakia. 245 00:20:19,593 --> 00:20:21,386 I name my atua 246 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:22,888 according to my kuia 247 00:20:22,971 --> 00:20:25,557 who is in this photo, 248 00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:27,017 and after the karakia, he said: 249 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:31,897 "If your heart is harmony with your decision 250 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:36,944 and you believe in the power of karakia, 251 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:39,488 this stone is now atua 252 00:20:43,408 --> 00:20:47,412 In the case of the lion, Janet believed... 253 00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:49,706 that something was wrong. 254 00:20:51,583 --> 00:20:54,336 This condition is in the eye of the believer. 255 00:20:55,837 --> 00:20:58,340 Not in our interpretation or translation... 256 00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:02,511 nor what we think it is. It is what it is. 257 00:21:05,681 --> 00:21:07,224 Family members accompany Janet 258 00:21:07,307 --> 00:21:09,851 at the small apartment in Wainuiomata 259 00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:12,688 which was his grandfather's house. 260 00:21:15,607 --> 00:21:19,569 We prepared the bedroom for Janet, 261 00:21:19,653 --> 00:21:22,906 but she didn't want to sleep there 262 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:26,159 and she slept in Karl's bed in the living room. 263 00:22:16,376 --> 00:22:21,548 I was raised with the spirits and all that, 264 00:22:23,050 --> 00:22:25,927 but with my education, when we take something 265 00:22:26,011 --> 00:22:28,847 wherever it was taken, 266 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:33,477 yes, she must have been hit, something happens to you, 267 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,520 but it always hits the weakest. 268 00:22:37,522 --> 00:22:38,857 And Janet was 269 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:40,484 the weakest of all, 270 00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:42,736 yes, that struck Janet. 271 00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:54,247 Around midnight, Alene called. 272 00:22:55,373 --> 00:22:57,000 Said we were supposed to meet at dad's house 273 00:22:57,084 --> 00:23:00,545 because Ollie, Janet's mother, 274 00:23:01,379 --> 00:23:03,256 she was starting to get scared. 275 00:23:08,386 --> 00:23:11,932 No ! 276 00:23:18,730 --> 00:23:20,732 We stayed awake all Sunday with her. 277 00:23:21,316 --> 00:23:25,195 MONDAY 278 00:23:25,278 --> 00:23:28,865 They contacted an uncle, Jimmy Rahi, 279 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:32,577 a tohunga, a Māori priest. 280 00:23:34,371 --> 00:23:36,248 The prosecution did not question 281 00:23:36,331 --> 00:23:39,126 the intervention of the tohunga. 282 00:23:39,209 --> 00:23:42,838 It's entirely appropriate in Maori culture. 283 00:23:46,174 --> 00:23:48,510 The tohunga is the intermediary 284 00:23:48,593 --> 00:23:50,428 between the spiritual and the physical, 285 00:23:50,512 --> 00:23:52,305 the axis mundi. 286 00:23:52,389 --> 00:23:55,976 It's like consulting the priest of a church. 287 00:24:01,189 --> 00:24:03,567 They completely trust 288 00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:05,694 to the advice given to them by the tohunga. 289 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:08,738 This advice was the cause of everything. 290 00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:14,536 Anything to help the family. 291 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:03,585 It wasn't until Jimmy came 292 00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,462 that we were told it was... 293 00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:10,050 makutu. 294 00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:24,940 Tell me about the curse, 295 00:25:25,023 --> 00:25:27,108 what do you mean when you say curse? 296 00:25:31,738 --> 00:25:32,864 It is... 297 00:25:33,531 --> 00:25:35,909 It’s a Maori curse. 298 00:25:37,285 --> 00:25:42,791 It makes you... mentally ill, I believe. 299 00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:47,629 It's difficult to explain. 300 00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:55,553 Makutu is not something 301 00:25:55,637 --> 00:25:59,432 which can be considered as an oddity 302 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,518 it's just part 303 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:06,106 of the Maori understanding of life. 304 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,488 Traditionally, makutu 305 00:26:13,571 --> 00:26:17,867 was used as a means of protection or as a revenge mechanism 306 00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:20,370 if someone had killed or hurt your family. 307 00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:26,668 It's a curse that hurts their soul, 308 00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:28,712 their mind, their heart, who they are. 309 00:26:32,507 --> 00:26:33,883 It is very difficult 310 00:26:33,967 --> 00:26:36,970 for a Pakeha, a European from New Zealand 311 00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:39,389 to have information from the Maori 312 00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:41,016 on the makutu 313 00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:44,060 but I managed to discover one thing, 314 00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:47,856 it is a thesis written by Clive Clinton. 315 00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:51,067 The Maori told him that they often thought 316 00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:54,571 that white Pakeha doctors 317 00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:58,908 made diagnostic errors on makutu 318 00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:00,994 confusing them with psychiatric illnesses. 319 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:03,955 What happened next? 320 00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:10,462 He blessed her with water, like Christian baptism... 321 00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:14,382 and karakia to repel evil. 322 00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:19,804 We never talk about these things. 323 00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:25,769 In 1814, our ancestors were confronted with Christianity 324 00:27:25,852 --> 00:27:27,395 and only in the Bay of Islands 325 00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:29,814 and now this is how 326 00:27:29,898 --> 00:27:32,567 our people see our own concepts. 327 00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:34,694 There has been a complete change 328 00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:38,114 of spiritual structure of Maori society 329 00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:42,118 and now we are confronted with the makutu, 330 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:44,537 do we really understand each other well what is happening? 331 00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:49,542 And what do we do 332 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:51,878 to make sure you give the right advice... 333 00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:54,172 around us? 334 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:01,471 At this time, Jimmy Rahi had a revelation, 335 00:28:02,263 --> 00:28:03,264 a revelation 336 00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:06,351 which changed dramatically the course of events. 337 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:13,566 He said he had a vision of three claws and Janet. 338 00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:24,536 He advised the family 339 00:28:24,619 --> 00:28:27,956 to bring the stone lion back to Greytown 340 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,000 because he had a companion there who was missing 341 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:36,214 and it was very important let them be reunited. 342 00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:41,219 Jimmy said the lions were together for over 100 years. 343 00:28:43,304 --> 00:28:44,723 And what did Jimmy do? 344 00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:48,184 I believe he blessed the... 345 00:28:49,769 --> 00:28:51,604 and he said that the lion had to go back there. 346 00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:02,115 A spiritual possession is an extremely serious thing... 347 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,493 it's a question life or death, right? 348 00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:10,206 The role of the tohunga is to protect life, 349 00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:15,086 to take care of the spiritual and protect the family. 350 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:50,497 TUESDAY 351 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:53,166 So the next day, a Tuesday, 352 00:29:53,249 --> 00:29:56,586 there was a convoy eight or nine vehicles 353 00:29:56,669 --> 00:29:59,756 who went from Wainuiomata to Wairarapa, 354 00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:01,800 at the Greytown Hotel. 355 00:30:02,675 --> 00:30:04,928 From there, many of them 356 00:30:05,011 --> 00:30:08,056 didn't even go to work anymore for a week, 357 00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:12,519 they were with her all the time, to watch over her 358 00:30:13,019 --> 00:30:15,772 they were dedicated to his health. 359 00:30:18,733 --> 00:30:23,738 Janet was there, Jimmy Rahi was there, Janet's namesake, 360 00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,074 his paternal grandmother was there, 361 00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:29,160 we know because there was an incident 362 00:30:29,244 --> 00:30:31,412 which alarmed everyone. 363 00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:42,966 Janet. 364 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:50,223 You shouldn't even be here. 365 00:30:50,306 --> 00:30:51,724 What are you doing here? 366 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,353 - No. - Come on, my daughter, calm down. 367 00:30:55,436 --> 00:30:56,354 No. 368 00:30:56,437 --> 00:30:57,564 Calm down, are you okay? 369 00:30:57,647 --> 00:30:59,816 When this car stops, I will kill you! 370 00:31:02,193 --> 00:31:06,322 I'm going to kill you! 371 00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:07,949 I'm going to kill you! 372 00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:42,901 And what happened in Greytown? 373 00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:47,530 We parked outside a pub... 374 00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:56,039 we went around from behind, and we took out the lion. 375 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,998 In the spiritual domain of the Maori 376 00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:25,336 everything speaks of good and love, no death. 377 00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:31,676 It's done, my daughter. 378 00:33:32,385 --> 00:33:34,637 I believe in my heart 379 00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:36,723 that they know within their family... 380 00:33:36,806 --> 00:33:38,099 Everything is fine, my daughter. 381 00:33:39,308 --> 00:33:41,561 ...that through the power of prayer, 382 00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:43,479 through the power of good, 383 00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:46,065 all the curses can be lifted. 384 00:33:53,364 --> 00:33:57,910 Apparently, within hours which followed, she recovered, 385 00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:02,665 everyone felt a weight had been kidnapped 386 00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:06,252 and things would get better from there. 387 00:34:12,175 --> 00:34:16,137 We came back from Greytown to Wainilly 388 00:34:16,804 --> 00:34:19,807 and I believe that everyone went to Karl's house 389 00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:26,773 and we ate fish and chips. 390 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:47,210 The tohunga said to them: “You know, 391 00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:49,003 I did what I could, 392 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:52,340 you brought back the lion, and she looks better.” 393 00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:57,428 I think that's the point crucial tragic 394 00:34:57,512 --> 00:34:59,305 of what happened. 395 00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:12,276 What the uncle says is that Janet 396 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,112 had to rest and take care of herself. 397 00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:17,782 Of the three things that were in her, 398 00:35:18,991 --> 00:35:23,496 I think two had to do with the lion, 399 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,333 and the last one had to do with... 400 00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:30,503 his...Shane. 401 00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:33,422 It had to do with his mate, 402 00:35:33,714 --> 00:35:37,385 she was being mistreated mentally and verbally by him. 403 00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:40,596 Uncle Jimmy said that he had done his part, 404 00:35:42,014 --> 00:35:44,684 but he wouldn't care of the relationship with Shane, 405 00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:47,895 that it's family who should take care of it. 406 00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:55,319 Unfortunately the tohunga had planned medical treatment 407 00:35:55,403 --> 00:35:57,363 and he had to 408 00:35:57,446 --> 00:35:59,699 be hospitalized for several days, 409 00:35:59,782 --> 00:36:03,536 so he wasn't there and couldn't 410 00:36:03,619 --> 00:36:06,581 help the family 411 00:36:06,664 --> 00:36:09,292 when things were bad. 412 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,630 We were a united family 413 00:36:15,631 --> 00:36:18,509 and we always got together to solve our problems. 414 00:36:21,596 --> 00:36:23,806 And the people who died 415 00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:26,893 are always there to guide us. 416 00:36:28,978 --> 00:36:32,899 Leave in peace and with love 417 00:36:32,982 --> 00:36:36,777 Leave in peace and with love 418 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:52,418 Speaking to the demon that they believed to be in her, 419 00:36:52,585 --> 00:36:57,173 they repeated constantly. 420 00:37:05,473 --> 00:37:10,811 They are coming, they are coming. 421 00:37:10,895 --> 00:37:13,314 Money, money. 422 00:37:13,397 --> 00:37:14,649 It's... 423 00:37:19,612 --> 00:37:21,364 She was trying to tell us something... 424 00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:23,449 it was like a puzzle... 425 00:37:24,951 --> 00:37:27,286 try to put the pieces together to solve it 426 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,163 THE SHOT THE SHOT THE SHOT MONEY? MONEY 427 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:32,083 and when we have succeeded everything would appear clearly. 428 00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:47,139 WEDNESDAY 429 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:02,238 Lord Jesus, we are gathered in your name 430 00:38:02,571 --> 00:38:07,368 and it is written that whatever we asked, it will be granted. 431 00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:13,582 We ask for complete healing by Janet Moses. 432 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,544 We ask this in your name, Jesus, 433 00:38:16,919 --> 00:38:18,504 thank you, Lord. 434 00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:23,384 We received the blessings for this child... 435 00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:24,552 ...and love. 436 00:38:24,635 --> 00:38:25,886 ...Amen. 437 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:29,473 Leave in peace and with love. 438 00:38:37,023 --> 00:38:40,484 Everyone do its waters and washes itself 439 00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:42,111 before the karakia. 440 00:38:42,862 --> 00:38:44,488 Then, in the middle of the circle, 441 00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:47,700 surrounded by everyone joining hands, 442 00:38:48,492 --> 00:38:50,286 reciting the karakia. 443 00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:52,872 Let Janet's waters be done. 444 00:38:52,955 --> 00:38:55,958 Leave in peace and with love. 445 00:38:56,042 --> 00:38:59,420 - Drink. - Leave in peace and with love. 446 00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:03,049 This family had a long history with water, 447 00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:05,801 they had rituals that they had learned 448 00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:08,721 of their grandmothers and what they were talking about, 449 00:39:08,804 --> 00:39:09,930 I remember that during the trial 450 00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:11,682 they were talking about doing their water 451 00:39:11,766 --> 00:39:13,434 to protect themselves. 452 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,479 Everyone must believe in their heart 453 00:39:16,562 --> 00:39:18,064 that this will happen 454 00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:22,651 not just in his head, or saying the words, 455 00:39:23,694 --> 00:39:27,573 it only takes one person don't believe in his heart 456 00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:30,493 and it won't work. 457 00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:34,330 But they all seemed to and the defense was that 458 00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:35,956 she agreed 459 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,626 to participate in this process 460 00:39:39,168 --> 00:39:42,171 and that the participants sincerely believed 461 00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:45,758 that what they were doing was going to help him. 462 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:50,137 But it's a family 463 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:53,599 who deeply respects his elders 464 00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:57,812 and who is Janet to question 465 00:39:57,895 --> 00:40:01,148 that what they do, They do it for his own good? 466 00:40:01,607 --> 00:40:04,360 They didn't ask, nor did they wonder 467 00:40:04,443 --> 00:40:05,945 if Janet consented. 468 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,747 She could have said: “No, I don’t want to participate.” 469 00:40:16,831 --> 00:40:18,416 Sometimes she sat outside 470 00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:20,668 to smoke a cigarette with his cousins. 471 00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:22,878 She could have gotten up and left. 472 00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:33,806 She didn't do it. 473 00:40:39,353 --> 00:40:41,188 There were two Janets, 474 00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:46,026 the one who went outside to take a break and smoke a cigarette, 475 00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:49,989 who was happy to come home when you had to start again 476 00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:55,619 and there was Janet who screamed and screamed. 477 00:40:57,288 --> 00:40:58,747 There were two Janets, 478 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:03,669 so we don't know who is consenting. 479 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:29,528 Get out of her! 480 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:33,032 Leave her alone. You can't have it! 481 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,855 My name is Viv Bebington 482 00:42:04,939 --> 00:42:07,816 and I live in the house across the street. 483 00:42:08,108 --> 00:42:12,488 I heard everything, the songs and the sounds of feet, 484 00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:16,909 boom, so far, see? 485 00:42:17,618 --> 00:42:19,620 It was deafening here. 486 00:42:21,288 --> 00:42:23,958 There were so many people, it was intimidating, 487 00:42:24,458 --> 00:42:26,252 it was suffocating, 488 00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:29,922 but some could not return. 489 00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:32,591 We don't want you approach this house. 490 00:42:35,886 --> 00:42:39,765 One of the paternal relatives Janet suggested: 491 00:42:39,848 --> 00:42:41,809 “Let’s go see another tohunga.” 492 00:42:44,395 --> 00:42:48,649 The Rawiri family did not want to do that. 493 00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,028 Some were not allowed to enter 494 00:42:53,112 --> 00:42:54,822 where Janet was. 495 00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:56,865 Some were not allowed to enter 496 00:42:56,949 --> 00:43:01,287 I mean, pastors and all this, why? 497 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,456 These people could have helped. 498 00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:09,461 When John arrived he said: 499 00:43:09,545 --> 00:43:11,880 "I'll keep you company to my daughter," he came, 500 00:43:11,964 --> 00:43:13,882 they didn't want to let him in, 501 00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:17,595 it's really sad because John could have helped. 502 00:43:18,304 --> 00:43:22,224 I'm sure John could have helped him. 503 00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:26,812 I am not a pastor, but I usually do this, 504 00:43:26,895 --> 00:43:30,983 I take care of people when they are sick, that's why I went there, 505 00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:32,359 but for the most part 506 00:43:32,443 --> 00:43:34,403 they were certain of what was happening. 507 00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:39,533 Many people want to know more about their... 508 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:42,828 ...culture? 509 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,666 They want to know more on their culture. 510 00:43:49,001 --> 00:43:50,836 But they don't know the language 511 00:43:50,919 --> 00:43:52,421 and they don't know the protocol 512 00:43:52,504 --> 00:43:56,008 and they believe they can do this, they do it... 513 00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,011 if you don't know well, you are doing it wrong, 514 00:43:59,094 --> 00:44:01,805 and, that's what happened. 515 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,692 Wednesday evening, things began to intensify 516 00:44:13,776 --> 00:44:15,569 in the apartment. 517 00:44:18,364 --> 00:44:20,032 There are conflicting testimonies 518 00:44:20,115 --> 00:44:23,869 on why Janet wanted to be in the shower. 519 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:25,954 One of the theories is that 520 00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:30,668 as she often showered his grandmother, the one who died, 521 00:44:30,751 --> 00:44:34,171 she wanted to go back and recreate 522 00:44:34,254 --> 00:44:36,715 this nostalgic experience. 523 00:44:40,803 --> 00:44:42,638 When Janet got up 524 00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:45,265 she went in the shower... 525 00:44:46,975 --> 00:44:49,520 and she turned it on, on hot, see, 526 00:44:52,106 --> 00:44:53,857 and I put it back on cold. 527 00:45:01,573 --> 00:45:05,744 They said it was, like, our weapon 528 00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:08,122 against the demon. 529 00:45:10,749 --> 00:45:13,168 Cold water. 530 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:15,546 Leave the water cold. 531 00:45:15,629 --> 00:45:17,506 Leave the water cold, girl. 532 00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:20,175 We love you, my daughter, everything is fine. 533 00:45:20,259 --> 00:45:22,136 Come, we love you, my daughter. 534 00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:27,850 We could see the darkness rising in his eyes, 535 00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:29,184 and they... 536 00:45:31,228 --> 00:45:32,771 they were getting very big. 537 00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:37,192 Don't resist, don't struggle, we love you, 538 00:45:37,276 --> 00:45:38,694 stay under cold water, that's it. 539 00:45:38,777 --> 00:45:39,945 But who said that 540 00:45:40,028 --> 00:45:41,697 demons didn't like cold water? 541 00:45:46,326 --> 00:45:47,744 She got up... 542 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,707 coughed up all that mucus. 543 00:45:59,339 --> 00:46:01,758 We wiped it with a towel 544 00:46:02,217 --> 00:46:04,803 and it was decided that the makutu was on the napkin 545 00:46:04,887 --> 00:46:07,431 and no one else couldn't use this bathroom 546 00:46:08,182 --> 00:46:11,101 where there was the shower and the toilet. 547 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,107 The vomit came out so the demon came out. 548 00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:19,359 The purpose of water 549 00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:23,197 went from instrument purification of the body 550 00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:29,703 to the instrument that caused the vomiting and everything got worse. 551 00:46:46,553 --> 00:46:50,224 Janet! 552 00:46:53,644 --> 00:46:57,731 Where is... 553 00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:20,045 Shane was there. 554 00:47:21,463 --> 00:47:23,048 Did Janet want to see him? 555 00:47:24,049 --> 00:47:25,759 Nobody asked him. 556 00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:30,264 She could no longer take decision by herself. 557 00:47:32,808 --> 00:47:33,809 Come on. 558 00:47:39,898 --> 00:47:40,983 Janet. 559 00:47:43,193 --> 00:47:44,278 Jan ! 560 00:47:45,571 --> 00:47:46,613 Janet! 561 00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:47,739 Come on, come on. 562 00:47:49,074 --> 00:47:50,784 He was part of the problem. 563 00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:52,619 Janet! 564 00:47:56,248 --> 00:47:58,625 This is what we did as a family, 565 00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:02,504 we kept him away from her, for her to heal. 566 00:48:04,089 --> 00:48:05,382 She doesn't want to see you. 567 00:48:05,465 --> 00:48:07,301 We take care of your shit! 568 00:48:07,426 --> 00:48:08,719 - It's your fault! - My fault? 569 00:48:08,844 --> 00:48:10,596 You brought this. You are at the origin. 570 00:48:11,597 --> 00:48:13,223 You don't need to be there! 571 00:48:18,395 --> 00:48:20,689 A downward spiral has begun 572 00:48:20,772 --> 00:48:25,402 the family no longer had contact with the outside world. 573 00:48:26,486 --> 00:48:28,989 It was closed and... 574 00:48:30,407 --> 00:48:32,534 insular and suffocating. 575 00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:41,918 Look at his eyes... 576 00:48:44,254 --> 00:48:45,422 Look at his eyes. 577 00:48:47,549 --> 00:48:48,592 Janet? 578 00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:00,479 ...Go on. 579 00:49:01,146 --> 00:49:03,398 Lie down, come on, girl. 580 00:49:03,482 --> 00:49:04,983 I will never understand 581 00:49:05,067 --> 00:49:07,069 who was down there at that time. 582 00:49:07,152 --> 00:49:09,613 Come, my daughter, come. 583 00:49:13,075 --> 00:49:15,494 Leave in peace and with love. 584 00:49:26,922 --> 00:49:30,759 Imagine the pressure, the fear, the anxiety, 585 00:49:30,842 --> 00:49:32,761 the panic that spreads 586 00:49:32,844 --> 00:49:34,680 to your, actually, you know, 587 00:49:34,763 --> 00:49:36,306 your love for this person 588 00:49:37,015 --> 00:49:38,975 for her to stay and endure this. 589 00:49:39,851 --> 00:49:41,770 Go in peace with love. 590 00:49:41,895 --> 00:49:44,398 THURSDAY 591 00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:54,366 These people were no longer sleeping 592 00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:58,036 some had not slept for four or five days. 593 00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:04,876 They continued on their journey. 594 00:50:05,711 --> 00:50:06,962 All of us here 595 00:50:08,004 --> 00:50:11,717 We were used to the calm of this place, 596 00:50:12,551 --> 00:50:13,927 not to all this noise. 597 00:50:16,221 --> 00:50:18,056 But what to do? 598 00:50:19,474 --> 00:50:23,061 Nobody called the police, we draw the curtains, you see... 599 00:50:23,645 --> 00:50:25,480 I've seen enough, that's enough. 600 00:50:34,865 --> 00:50:37,743 I said we should get together again, as a family. 601 00:50:38,201 --> 00:50:40,871 Some of us hadn't seen their children since... 602 00:50:42,122 --> 00:50:43,623 two or three days. 603 00:50:47,085 --> 00:50:49,212 A dozen of our babies. 604 00:50:55,761 --> 00:50:57,179 Janet's mother and I... 605 00:50:58,513 --> 00:51:00,432 we tried to put them at ease. 606 00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:27,918 She always wanted go in the shower. 607 00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:31,254 Something said demons wanted hot water. 608 00:51:33,465 --> 00:51:35,175 She didn't like cold water. 609 00:51:35,258 --> 00:51:37,302 Drink, my daughter, come on. 610 00:51:37,385 --> 00:51:38,804 You won't let it happen. 611 00:51:47,813 --> 00:51:49,231 Vomit, girl. 612 00:51:49,314 --> 00:51:51,107 We stayed there with her forever... 613 00:51:54,277 --> 00:51:55,737 It seemed like hours. 614 00:52:00,826 --> 00:52:02,619 The power was so strong... 615 00:52:04,996 --> 00:52:06,414 and we fought him. 616 00:52:13,171 --> 00:52:15,257 The father was there too. 617 00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:01,344 You have to get out. 618 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:06,141 Do you know who I am? 619 00:53:12,105 --> 00:53:14,357 I was so exhausted when I got out of there. 620 00:53:19,696 --> 00:53:23,116 It seemed to last forever, yes. 621 00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:29,581 But suddenly she came back... 622 00:53:32,125 --> 00:53:33,251 wise as a picture. 623 00:53:34,711 --> 00:53:36,212 The Janet of always. 624 00:53:38,381 --> 00:53:39,424 Wise as a picture. 625 00:53:43,595 --> 00:53:45,347 You have to come home with me. 626 00:53:48,725 --> 00:53:51,561 Many times, Gerald Moses asked Janet 627 00:53:51,645 --> 00:53:53,146 to go with him. 628 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,661 He vowed to return the next morning 629 00:54:07,744 --> 00:54:09,746 to take his daughter 630 00:54:10,747 --> 00:54:14,084 it doesn't matter whether she likes it or not. 631 00:54:22,133 --> 00:54:23,760 When things calmed down, 632 00:54:24,219 --> 00:54:26,262 we put our baby back to bed. 633 00:54:29,307 --> 00:54:31,267 And we tried to calm him down 634 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,562 even if we knew that she was not well. 635 00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:38,650 Everyone was crying, 636 00:54:39,776 --> 00:54:42,696 we were so relieved that she has calmed down. 637 00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:46,533 We let her rest. 638 00:54:48,076 --> 00:54:50,328 We had the impression that she was coming back to herself. 639 00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:55,959 We were sitting around waiting for her to wake up. 640 00:55:02,048 --> 00:55:03,550 She woke up, 641 00:55:04,926 --> 00:55:06,636 walked, 642 00:55:07,929 --> 00:55:09,180 and went back to sleep. 643 00:55:14,185 --> 00:55:16,271 But that has changed again. 644 00:55:20,650 --> 00:55:21,735 I went to sleep... 645 00:55:24,946 --> 00:55:27,282 and when I woke up, it was a disaster. 646 00:55:38,543 --> 00:55:40,795 Janet, are you okay? 647 00:55:40,879 --> 00:55:45,008 They are coming, they are coming! 648 00:55:48,011 --> 00:55:49,471 John! 649 00:55:56,311 --> 00:55:57,854 It was there that 650 00:55:57,937 --> 00:56:00,732 Janet has had a radical change. 651 00:56:00,815 --> 00:56:04,736 She said she wanted to give her life for the family 652 00:56:04,819 --> 00:56:07,572 sacrifice oneself during 653 00:56:08,281 --> 00:56:09,908 this immanent battle. 654 00:56:09,991 --> 00:56:11,618 They are coming, they are coming! 655 00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:24,380 What happened? 656 00:56:28,426 --> 00:56:30,512 They are coming, they are coming! 657 00:56:53,618 --> 00:56:55,036 Leave us alone! 658 00:57:08,341 --> 00:57:11,928 She had a necklace, a bone sculpture, 659 00:57:12,512 --> 00:57:15,098 that she had from her grandmother. 660 00:57:18,601 --> 00:57:22,397 They said... that the demon 661 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,275 took his strength from this bone necklace. 662 00:57:27,944 --> 00:57:29,988 Johnny, take the scissors. 663 00:57:37,162 --> 00:57:41,082 OK... No, just come on for a moment, 664 00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:43,418 you'd feel better, come on. 665 00:57:43,501 --> 00:57:44,711 Come on. 666 00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:49,090 Come on, you'll feel better, come on. 667 00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:51,759 That's it. 668 00:57:51,843 --> 00:57:53,344 Lie down, come on. 669 00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:55,263 Go get some water. 670 00:58:02,770 --> 00:58:06,399 Come on, Janet, drink some water. 671 00:58:09,694 --> 00:58:11,738 Come on, come on. 672 00:58:11,821 --> 00:58:13,656 Come on, it's good for you, okay? 673 00:58:14,991 --> 00:58:16,868 It'll clean you up, come on. 674 00:58:16,951 --> 00:58:18,369 - Another one. - Another one. 675 00:58:21,748 --> 00:58:26,377 Go in peace with love. 676 00:58:45,897 --> 00:58:48,233 Give me some water. 677 00:58:49,734 --> 00:58:50,610 More water. 678 00:58:59,244 --> 00:59:03,248 The children could not go to the toilet, 679 00:59:03,998 --> 00:59:07,835 in fact, no one could go to the toilet. 680 00:59:08,169 --> 00:59:11,339 When people needed 681 00:59:11,422 --> 00:59:16,678 they did it... in diapers, towels, 682 00:59:16,761 --> 00:59:19,973 and in the clothes they wore... 683 00:59:20,765 --> 00:59:23,393 so it became more and more... 684 00:59:24,727 --> 00:59:26,229 strange behavior. 685 00:59:31,568 --> 00:59:33,987 Go in peace with love. 686 01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,268 Come on, Jan, come on, baby, come on. 687 01:00:12,275 --> 01:00:15,445 We love you, we're going to make it come out of you. 688 01:00:15,528 --> 01:00:19,824 Come on, my girl, it's good, a little more. 689 01:00:22,660 --> 01:00:25,622 Leave in peace and love, get out of her now! 690 01:00:35,256 --> 01:00:37,925 At first it was Janet who fought against him. 691 01:00:38,259 --> 01:00:41,387 It was the demon in her... 692 01:00:43,723 --> 01:00:49,103 and... the demon was fiery and everything. 693 01:00:50,605 --> 01:00:53,232 I remember her saying... 694 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:55,943 like... 695 01:00:57,528 --> 01:00:58,529 “Piss off.” 696 01:01:18,007 --> 01:01:19,801 We thought it was Shane 697 01:01:19,884 --> 01:01:21,219 who did this to our niece. 698 01:01:21,302 --> 01:01:23,429 He said, “No, it was the lion.” 699 01:01:24,681 --> 01:01:27,558 It was their revenge, for separating them. 700 01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:35,066 This room was extremely hot, a furnace. 701 01:01:36,275 --> 01:01:39,487 By then, everything was soaked. 702 01:01:40,113 --> 01:01:43,825 Go in peace with love. 703 01:01:47,954 --> 01:01:49,789 The water was rising in the kitchen 704 01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:53,000 so I took a screwdriver and I made a hole in the floor. 705 01:02:22,739 --> 01:02:25,366 The eyes of our children were getting weird... 706 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,244 evil, 707 01:02:29,454 --> 01:02:32,874 and we could see these things which ran within them. 708 01:02:35,084 --> 01:02:36,544 You have something in your eye 709 01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:38,296 and he runs everywhere. 710 01:02:38,379 --> 01:02:39,839 How to get it out? 711 01:02:40,465 --> 01:02:43,593 Without putting your hand in and tearing it out? 712 01:02:47,513 --> 01:02:50,892 Some thought 713 01:02:50,975 --> 01:02:53,019 that we had to take Janet at the hospital 714 01:02:53,603 --> 01:02:55,855 but it wasn't the leaders. 715 01:02:57,857 --> 01:02:59,484 The idea of saying: 716 01:02:59,567 --> 01:03:01,736 “Stop, maybe it’s not right,” 717 01:03:01,819 --> 01:03:03,488 they couldn't say it 718 01:03:03,821 --> 01:03:07,158 because if they did, maybe 719 01:03:07,241 --> 01:03:08,534 that they would suffer the same fate 720 01:03:08,618 --> 01:03:11,245 and they could end in Janet's position. 721 01:03:13,206 --> 01:03:16,125 It's the power of the group in what was happening. 722 01:03:17,835 --> 01:03:21,255 I think there was something wrong in each of us. 723 01:03:23,007 --> 01:03:24,926 Because we did things that we wouldn't normally do. 724 01:03:28,971 --> 01:03:30,264 And then they made a rule: 725 01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:32,725 you shouldn't have looked in Janet's eyes 726 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:35,478 so as not to be possessed in our turn. 727 01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:41,943 Was Janet talking? 728 01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:44,028 Did she say something? 729 01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:48,699 At one point... 730 01:03:50,117 --> 01:03:51,828 Janet said: 731 01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:56,207 “Auntie, stop, let me breathe.” 732 01:04:01,212 --> 01:04:03,005 And then what happened? 733 01:04:07,009 --> 01:04:09,178 They were taking care of Joshi... 734 01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:15,226 tried to make him spit all the disgusting things in him 735 01:04:16,686 --> 01:04:23,276 then I remember, they did it to Les, 736 01:04:24,902 --> 01:04:26,863 and then I remember... 737 01:04:27,738 --> 01:04:31,033 they... they did it to me. 738 01:04:37,957 --> 01:04:44,714 I don't think they were trying to harm us. 739 01:04:45,923 --> 01:04:49,677 And... they had their reasons. 740 01:04:53,848 --> 01:04:56,893 Let me go! It hurts, get out! 741 01:05:06,068 --> 01:05:10,239 They continued with the young teenager for hours. 742 01:05:14,827 --> 01:05:18,581 She finally managed to free herself at the same time 743 01:05:18,664 --> 01:05:22,168 where Janet also succeeded, 744 01:05:22,251 --> 01:05:26,047 while six people held it down, 745 01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:27,298 to free yourself. 746 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,351 However, the group interpreted this as 747 01:05:38,434 --> 01:05:42,605 the makutu which redoubled its strength 748 01:05:42,688 --> 01:05:45,858 by uniting the teenager with Janet 749 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:51,113 so these young women who were able to free themselves 750 01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:52,907 we were detained. 751 01:06:15,471 --> 01:06:18,307 She became the second lion of Greytown... 752 01:06:19,767 --> 01:06:23,604 and it was her and Janet... working together. 753 01:06:28,401 --> 01:06:32,196 They were... sensible people, 754 01:06:32,697 --> 01:06:38,995 they worked, played sports and led a quiet life. 755 01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:44,500 Everyone got caught up in this. 756 01:06:47,044 --> 01:06:50,047 Hysteria is not an unusual state. 757 01:06:50,965 --> 01:06:54,260 Most of us, we already felt hysterical 758 01:06:55,052 --> 01:06:57,972 and world history gives many examples 759 01:06:58,055 --> 01:07:00,975 where extreme things are done 760 01:07:01,058 --> 01:07:03,769 based on certain beliefs 761 01:07:03,853 --> 01:07:06,313 which would not make sense for many of us. 762 01:07:09,859 --> 01:07:11,277 I believe what happened 763 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,946 would have happened to anyone 764 01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:18,034 if we had been stuck in a room for five days 765 01:07:18,117 --> 01:07:24,040 without sleeping, barely eating, singing all the time, 766 01:07:24,123 --> 01:07:28,711 in 40 degree heat, trampling, and feeling intense fear. 767 01:07:28,794 --> 01:07:31,964 I think we all would have lost the north in this situation. 768 01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:35,885 It's... the human condition. 769 01:07:39,138 --> 01:07:41,515 I know that most people will not understand. 770 01:07:46,812 --> 01:07:48,564 Makutu is evil. 771 01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:54,653 We have to find a way to restore the property... 772 01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:58,324 so that the person becomes normal again. 773 01:08:03,162 --> 01:08:04,121 I wish I had someone 774 01:08:04,205 --> 01:08:06,791 who could say that to the police because... 775 01:08:09,043 --> 01:08:11,212 I find it very hard to do it myself. 776 01:08:13,923 --> 01:08:16,759 FRIDAY 777 01:08:28,938 --> 01:08:31,190 The mechanism of death by drowning 778 01:08:31,273 --> 01:08:37,238 whether on land or at sea is the same. 779 01:08:37,321 --> 01:08:39,406 Water enters the lungs, 780 01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:45,788 the membrane of the lungs foams 781 01:08:45,871 --> 01:08:48,666 and produces a kind of foam 782 01:08:49,041 --> 01:08:51,460 which is absorbed by the lungs 783 01:08:51,544 --> 01:08:54,171 which collapse like a bag of air. 784 01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:56,257 This compromises 785 01:08:56,340 --> 01:08:58,676 the circulation of oxygen in the body. 786 01:08:59,844 --> 01:09:01,804 The vocal cords go into spasm... 787 01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:05,182 the heart takes an abnormal rhythm... 788 01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:07,810 she swallows her tongue. 789 01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:15,234 At one point his jaw locks 790 01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:18,237 and instead of thinking: 791 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,197 "We may have gone too far," 792 01:09:20,739 --> 01:09:23,242 participants thought that... 793 01:09:24,368 --> 01:09:27,746 his jaw had been blocked by the makutu 794 01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:31,834 to prevent them from pouring more water. 795 01:09:33,502 --> 01:09:37,131 So they opened it to him the jaw of strength... 796 01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:39,967 and she... 797 01:09:41,468 --> 01:09:42,553 she is dead. 798 01:09:47,683 --> 01:09:49,935 When did you realize that Janet 799 01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:53,063 was dying? 800 01:09:59,904 --> 01:10:00,946 I didn't see anything. 801 01:10:02,740 --> 01:10:05,201 When did you know she was dead? 802 01:10:08,204 --> 01:10:09,330 I still didn't see him. 803 01:10:18,047 --> 01:10:20,633 We were trying to help the other girl. 804 01:10:24,094 --> 01:10:25,971 The whole place was filled with evil. 805 01:10:32,311 --> 01:10:33,812 I tried to do cardiac massage. 806 01:10:38,484 --> 01:10:40,611 But I don't know how to do that. 807 01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:46,575 I turned to my wife... 808 01:10:49,453 --> 01:10:50,996 “I love you, my darling.” 809 01:10:53,707 --> 01:10:56,252 Because I believed that I was going to spend there too. 810 01:10:58,712 --> 01:10:59,755 Yes. 811 01:11:01,131 --> 01:11:03,842 Because I had been a leader for the family... 812 01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,349 and I believed that they were going to take me too. 813 01:11:22,611 --> 01:11:24,488 Jan was on the ground... 814 01:11:26,282 --> 01:11:28,826 all my brothers and sisters were around... 815 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,871 trying to bring her back to life. 816 01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:01,483 We were trying to understand if he was still in the house. 817 01:12:04,278 --> 01:12:05,738 All the children... 818 01:12:08,365 --> 01:12:10,242 This makutu was in the house. 819 01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:17,750 As soon as they understood that Janet was dead, 820 01:12:18,459 --> 01:12:22,546 they redoubled their efforts on the teenager. 821 01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:27,134 Get out of there, you won't get it. 822 01:12:27,217 --> 01:12:32,264 You're going to leave, leave her calm down, go away. 823 01:12:32,556 --> 01:12:34,391 They had just lost a daughter, you see... 824 01:12:34,475 --> 01:12:37,644 - we couldn't lose the other one. - You're going to leave her! 825 01:12:37,728 --> 01:12:42,066 It lasted for hours after Janet's death. 826 01:12:44,818 --> 01:12:47,071 Get out, get out! 827 01:12:49,865 --> 01:12:51,867 Come on, girl. 828 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,162 I was scared. 829 01:12:59,416 --> 01:13:02,211 I said, "You're scaring me..." 830 01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:06,131 and she said: 831 01:13:06,715 --> 01:13:08,801 “You scare me.” 832 01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:15,224 They were trying to hold my arms 833 01:13:15,307 --> 01:13:18,477 because I was scratching 834 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,772 I threw punches and feet. 835 01:13:23,774 --> 01:13:26,318 Why were you doing that? 836 01:13:27,486 --> 01:13:30,280 I think it was because of the demon in me. 837 01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:33,700 I lost my mind. 838 01:13:35,994 --> 01:13:37,788 Did you say something? 839 01:13:40,582 --> 01:13:42,876 I don't remember exactly... 840 01:13:44,253 --> 01:13:46,880 but I said something like... 841 01:13:49,299 --> 01:13:51,301 "Stop, damn it, you're drowning me," 842 01:13:52,136 --> 01:13:53,846 something like that. 843 01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:57,015 "I'm going to die." 844 01:14:00,102 --> 01:14:03,105 And then... nothing more, 845 01:14:04,857 --> 01:14:06,608 there was nothing left, 846 01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:09,945 I think they almost lost me there... 847 01:14:10,863 --> 01:14:12,364 when I no longer felt anything. 848 01:14:17,494 --> 01:14:21,248 I don't know, actually, 849 01:14:21,331 --> 01:14:23,250 what the demon looks like. 850 01:14:25,169 --> 01:14:28,130 I don't know what they were looking for, 851 01:14:28,213 --> 01:14:30,132 what they saw and everything. 852 01:14:42,519 --> 01:14:45,314 Around noon, or late morning... 853 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:48,525 ...one of the local Kaumatua Maori 854 01:14:48,609 --> 01:14:51,737 was called and came to the apartment. 855 01:15:01,246 --> 01:15:05,000 A man called Pakika Dave 856 01:15:05,083 --> 01:15:08,003 a European, 857 01:15:08,086 --> 01:15:12,090 who is a spiritual medium 858 01:15:12,174 --> 01:15:14,968 a man they respected spirituality. 859 01:15:15,886 --> 01:15:20,474 He said he felt something evil 860 01:15:20,557 --> 01:15:25,646 and that he had received a spiritual message 861 01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:29,733 which seemed to come from of the deceased grandmother. 862 01:15:30,817 --> 01:15:32,069 He left. 863 01:15:51,338 --> 01:15:54,383 We love our family so much, you see... 864 01:15:57,803 --> 01:16:00,889 that we would never do that to our children. 865 01:16:08,397 --> 01:16:11,316 Tohunga says mom is very angry... 866 01:16:14,528 --> 01:16:17,239 because we locked up the children in there for... 867 01:16:18,949 --> 01:16:20,909 I don't even know how long it lasted. 868 01:16:52,649 --> 01:16:55,611 After the blessing, everyone who was there, 869 01:16:55,694 --> 01:16:57,154 including Janet... 870 01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,032 he advised that the other member 871 01:17:00,115 --> 01:17:02,284 of the family should be taken to hospital. 872 01:17:16,923 --> 01:17:18,300 It was a desperate call 873 01:17:18,383 --> 01:17:21,303 from a 14 year old girl: "Stop, you're drowning me," 874 01:17:21,386 --> 01:17:22,929 while parents paid him water in the throat 875 01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:24,389 for an exorcism. 876 01:17:24,473 --> 01:17:26,266 ...Janet Moses 877 01:17:26,350 --> 01:17:28,352 ...Janet Moses 878 01:17:30,312 --> 01:17:31,688 Janet Moses died during a... 879 01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:32,939 Kill a young mother. 880 01:17:33,023 --> 01:17:34,900 - Kill Janet Moses. - During an exorcism. 881 01:17:34,983 --> 01:17:36,652 - Exorcism. - An exorcism ceremony. 882 01:17:36,735 --> 01:17:38,236 This was a very controversial affair. 883 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,572 Torture and death are simply not acceptable. 884 01:17:40,656 --> 01:17:41,782 I've seen dozens... 885 01:17:41,865 --> 01:17:43,617 - It's just rubbish. - It's voodoo. 886 01:17:46,536 --> 01:17:47,996 - ...judge by appearances. - Witchcraft. 887 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,665 - The media draws... - Desperate family members 888 01:17:49,748 --> 01:17:51,625 hide the faces of the accused. 889 01:17:51,708 --> 01:17:53,627 Don't take fucking pictures of me. 890 01:17:53,710 --> 01:17:56,004 We've had enough tragedy. OK? 891 01:17:59,091 --> 01:18:02,052 Janet was a young mother who lost his life. 892 01:18:02,135 --> 01:18:05,806 It is absolutely crucial that we understand 893 01:18:05,889 --> 01:18:07,057 how did this happen 894 01:18:07,140 --> 01:18:09,393 and hold people accountable 895 01:18:09,476 --> 01:18:10,977 of what happened. 896 01:18:11,603 --> 01:18:16,024 SUPREME COURT 897 01:18:20,862 --> 01:18:24,282 What should the authorities do? 898 01:18:24,366 --> 01:18:29,746 when a human being is killed in these circumstances? 899 01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:34,543 There are two charges, homicide, 900 01:18:34,668 --> 01:18:38,130 and an accusation of cruelty to a child. 901 01:18:39,423 --> 01:18:41,967 Nothing suggests 902 01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:45,470 that the accused persons, or that Janet 903 01:18:45,554 --> 01:18:47,264 have taken drugs. 904 01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:51,727 The weird thing about this 905 01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:56,940 is that deep beliefs Maori spiritual practices were handled 906 01:18:57,023 --> 01:18:59,901 by some sort of system... 907 01:19:01,737 --> 01:19:04,489 of white colonialism, if you will. 908 01:19:05,741 --> 01:19:11,163 The court tried to be sensitive... 909 01:19:11,580 --> 01:19:13,457 but when they described what had happened 910 01:19:13,540 --> 01:19:19,254 it was like reading a scene of the Salem witch trials. 911 01:19:21,256 --> 01:19:24,551 The family's belief was based on erroneous conceptions 912 01:19:24,634 --> 01:19:26,678 and misinformation, 913 01:19:27,012 --> 01:19:30,515 none of the expert witnesses had never heard of 914 01:19:30,599 --> 01:19:35,228 to pour such a quantity of water 915 01:19:35,312 --> 01:19:37,564 in a suffering person 916 01:19:37,647 --> 01:19:40,233 to deliver her from the makutu 917 01:19:40,317 --> 01:19:43,820 and it appeared that the lion 918 01:19:43,904 --> 01:19:46,990 was part of a pair garden decoration 919 01:19:47,073 --> 01:19:51,244 that the hotel owner had bought new. 920 01:19:52,162 --> 01:19:57,334 He poured yogurt on the statues 921 01:19:57,417 --> 01:19:59,336 to make them look older, 922 01:19:59,419 --> 01:20:05,300 but it was in no way antiques. 923 01:20:10,722 --> 01:20:14,226 As the trial progresses, 924 01:20:14,309 --> 01:20:17,938 their spiritual experiences the deepest 925 01:20:18,021 --> 01:20:23,318 were described like false beliefs. 926 01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:27,614 So much so that I could no longer look at them, 927 01:20:27,697 --> 01:20:29,157 it made me cry. 928 01:20:30,492 --> 01:20:32,244 I believe that all the lawyers involved, 929 01:20:32,327 --> 01:20:36,748 the prosecution and the defense could see the family dynamic 930 01:20:37,123 --> 01:20:40,252 and we all sympathized with their pain. 931 01:20:43,004 --> 01:20:45,674 Public opinion was divided, 932 01:20:45,757 --> 01:20:50,512 but the jury seemed...compassionate. 933 01:20:53,557 --> 01:20:54,933 Newsflash: 934 01:20:55,016 --> 01:20:57,644 the jury in the trial of the exorcism of Janet Moses in Wellington 935 01:20:57,727 --> 01:20:59,521 has just delivered its verdict. 936 01:20:59,604 --> 01:21:01,982 -Simon... - We waited a long time for the jury 937 01:21:02,065 --> 01:21:03,400 come back with this verdict, 938 01:21:03,483 --> 01:21:06,152 many people wanted to hear this verdict, 939 01:21:06,236 --> 01:21:07,821 here's what happened. 940 01:21:08,029 --> 01:21:12,659 Guilty. 941 01:21:12,742 --> 01:21:15,996 Not guilty, not guilty. 942 01:21:20,333 --> 01:21:21,543 These five accused 943 01:21:21,626 --> 01:21:24,212 are found guilty of homicide after five weeks of trial 944 01:21:24,296 --> 01:21:26,506 and almost two days of deliberation. 945 01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:28,383 Three other family members were acquitted 946 01:21:28,466 --> 01:21:30,760 and walked free from the court. 947 01:21:31,928 --> 01:21:34,681 The two heads of families, John Rawiri and Glenys Wright 948 01:21:34,764 --> 01:21:36,725 are under house arrest, 949 01:21:36,808 --> 01:21:39,436 they live at home and have a curfew. 950 01:21:39,978 --> 01:21:42,939 They and the other accused, Janet Moses' aunts 951 01:21:43,023 --> 01:21:45,233 must also do work of general interest, 952 01:21:45,317 --> 01:21:49,654 be monitored and follow programs of cultural education. 953 01:21:52,407 --> 01:21:53,742 NEW ZEALAND 954 01:21:53,825 --> 01:21:57,662 It was a fair answer to a tragic death. 955 01:21:58,914 --> 01:22:02,542 With their verdict, the jury holds responsible family members 956 01:22:02,626 --> 01:22:06,212 who criminally killed Janet. 957 01:22:06,296 --> 01:22:09,966 and it is a recognition of the sacredness of life. 958 01:22:11,718 --> 01:22:13,386 Convictions for homicide 959 01:22:13,470 --> 01:22:15,513 generally range from four to six years... 960 01:22:16,139 --> 01:22:18,141 but none of the justifications 961 01:22:18,224 --> 01:22:21,478 that usually send people to prison were not present in this matter. 962 01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,564 There was a deterrent value there. 963 01:22:24,648 --> 01:22:28,360 What purpose would punishment serve? 964 01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:30,862 I know a lot of people are cynical 965 01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:32,405 towards our justice system, 966 01:22:32,489 --> 01:22:36,201 but also wrong let it appear to us, 967 01:22:36,284 --> 01:22:38,787 in the light of day, 968 01:22:39,162 --> 01:22:44,084 they sincerely believed that they were helping him. 969 01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:06,731 It must have been a week later. 970 01:23:06,815 --> 01:23:09,025 We had a meeting at the ma-lay... 971 01:23:09,693 --> 01:23:13,905 and we all decided to destroy the place, 972 01:23:15,115 --> 01:23:16,282 shave it. 973 01:23:19,744 --> 01:23:23,999 It was sad to see that, really sad. 974 01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:28,795 Every morning I get up and I look out my window 975 01:23:29,254 --> 01:23:32,590 and I don't see anything... nothing. 976 01:23:35,427 --> 01:23:39,097 Yes, really... very sad. 977 01:23:47,272 --> 01:23:49,983 Sometimes we can pass in front of these apartments 978 01:23:50,066 --> 01:23:53,737 and we still see a cloud above. 979 01:23:55,989 --> 01:23:58,033 We don't do these things. 980 01:23:58,116 --> 01:24:01,161 We're not having fun with old, moldy things. 981 01:24:05,206 --> 01:24:07,333 I heard they still believe 982 01:24:07,417 --> 01:24:11,546 that the curse continues in their family. 983 01:24:12,380 --> 01:24:15,550 It's understandable that they believe that. 984 01:24:15,633 --> 01:24:19,804 Beliefs are nothing more that the conclusions 985 01:24:19,888 --> 01:24:23,850 that we learned from our own experiences. 986 01:24:24,601 --> 01:24:27,645 It is always possible that a makutu 987 01:24:27,729 --> 01:24:31,024 actually attacked Janet. 988 01:24:31,107 --> 01:24:33,985 Nobody knows, maybe they were right. 989 01:24:36,071 --> 01:24:38,281 There's no doubt in my mind, she was possessed, 990 01:24:38,364 --> 01:24:41,117 whether from the Maori point of view or from a clinical point of view, 991 01:24:41,201 --> 01:24:42,494 She wasn't doing well... 992 01:24:43,036 --> 01:24:44,329 and the curse 993 01:24:44,412 --> 01:24:47,248 is an attitude that the family continues to adopt. 994 01:24:49,042 --> 01:24:51,878 What they will transmit to future generations 995 01:24:51,961 --> 01:24:53,671 is in their hands. 996 01:24:55,673 --> 01:24:57,383 They must face the fact that 997 01:24:57,467 --> 01:25:00,762 although they did their best for her 998 01:25:00,845 --> 01:25:02,180 in this situation... 999 01:25:02,931 --> 01:25:04,224 she is dead. 1000 01:25:36,673 --> 01:25:38,258 I didn't know Janet, 1001 01:25:38,925 --> 01:25:43,388 I knew Janet... through the investigation 1002 01:25:44,055 --> 01:25:45,807 so we don't know Janet 1003 01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:49,519 that through the eyes of others, what they tell us, 1004 01:25:50,395 --> 01:25:52,188 but as a mother... 1005 01:25:53,565 --> 01:25:55,525 this really resonated with me. 1006 01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:58,194 We had two young children 1007 01:25:58,695 --> 01:26:02,782 who will no longer have a mother for the rest of their lives 1008 01:26:03,616 --> 01:26:06,953 and they were so small that the only memory 1009 01:26:07,036 --> 01:26:08,872 that they will keep from their mother 1010 01:26:08,955 --> 01:26:11,499 is what others will give them. 1011 01:26:15,378 --> 01:26:17,630 She was a wonderful mother... 1012 01:26:18,548 --> 01:26:22,302 That's what I would tell them, how much she loved them... 1013 01:26:22,886 --> 01:26:25,054 and how close to his heart they were. 1014 01:26:46,284 --> 01:26:52,540 IN MEMORY OF JANET MOSES 1015 01:29:55,848 --> 01:29:57,892 Translated by: Camille Sorel