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J“ the way it goes I

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ij'j'

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j“ each way it goes I

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j“ where did we go? I

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j“ why did we go? I

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j“ why did we go? I

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j“ where did we go? I

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I how did we go? I

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j“ why did we go? I

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j“ the way it goes I

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people said you cannot
do this here.

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This is a radical kind of music
and it can't happen in D.C.

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We've got to stop talking and
start walking.

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There always were creative
people here,

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in the middle of hostile or
inhospitable surroundings.

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Their value system is radically
different from that of most Americans.

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So how could punk thrive in
D.C. and

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still matter to people
around the world?

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And the answer is:

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Because D.C. was so hard to
have a punk scene in.

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And once it took root, it grew in
ways we could have never imagined.

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The D.C. scene, it wasn't
New York.

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It was small.

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It's not like something you
could just go to and be there.

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It's like we had to make it,
every step of the line.

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I was called the
first punk in D.C.

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Because I was the first person to
cut off my hair and wear a dog collar.

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If that's all it takes, well you
know so

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fashion-wise I guess I was.

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But I also just really
embraced the community

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and I encouraged people
to go to each other's shows

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and be there because it
was so exciting to me.

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It was thrilling.

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J' I've got creep skin thin
as a pin yeah I

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j' cheap skin j“

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another project.

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Just like at the
same time, '76-'77

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everybody's going,
I'm going to form a band.

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That was the beginning of the
diy thing anyway

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so it was encouraged to
make your own records.

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Punk, diy, New York was just
starting out to do records.

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This is neat.

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J' I've got creep skin I

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I was thinking back to an
issue of flipside

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and they were talking
about a D.C. family tree.

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It started with 1979 and
bad brains.

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And I was like, there were
so many bands before that

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going back to the
mid-seventies in the D.C. scene.

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So I thought uh, I'm going write
a letter.

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Send it to flipside.

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I start off.

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Dear flipside,

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the D.C. punk scene began
as far back as 1975-76

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with bands such as overkill,
the look, the slickee boys.

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In the following two years,
bands of power and energy

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played the D.C. circuit as well
as frequent out of town dates.

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There was a group of people who

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wanted something more primitive,

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more raw,

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more...

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More you know...

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More from the garage.

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And the keg had the
first punk scene in D.C.

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Even though it was basically
a heavy-metal dump,

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next to a strip bar.

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The first show I ever saw
at the keg was

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overkill playing some
stinky night

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I forget, Monday, Tuesday...

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That would be “punk night“.

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J'wooj'

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We dared to suck.

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In other words,

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we weren't afraid to be horrible

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in our eagerness,
to be something or another.

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Because what was happening is

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people were demanding

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that the clubs let them play
more of their original music

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rather than covers.

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And it was being allowed
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Thank you.

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Like '76, '77, I would
see people in the audience

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in places like the keg and it
developed they had bands.

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I remember we met people
from the bad brains.

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They were on the scene towards
the tail end of our thing there.

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You should be well aware of this
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That no matter what that's
being created in your backyard,

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the fact of the matter is...

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That it's created in your
back yard and it's important

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because if it's not the greatest
at least it's certainly a beginning.

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I'm going to tell you something
everyone,

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these people, the slickee boys
you know,

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they pioneered the first punk
rock scene in Washington D.C.

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Hello, how are you?

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How did the band get started?

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I wanted to play some wild
music back in 1976

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so I asked my friends,
Marshall especially here

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because he plays lead guitar.

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I just started getting people
who were interested

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in our type of music together.

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100% guaranteed

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even buyer's remorse,
you can bring it back.

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Thanks a lot.

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When Kim asked me to
join the band,

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I said “I don't have to
wear stage clothes?“

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and he said “no...

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And I just said, “I'm in.

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I'm so in“, I said “I can
sing like guy songs?

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I'm in.

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Thanks for joining me tonight.

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I have Marshall Keith from the
slickee boys.

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Hello.

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And me and Marshall are going
to talk about

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some D.C. stuff within the show.

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Put a bullett through the
juke box

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this was kind of our first song
that sounded punk.

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Okay, let's see if this sounds
punk.

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J“ but when I hear the j'

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j' jukebox play that funky
disco sound I

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j“ my mind goes blank I

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j' because I don't boogie down I

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J“ blast it I

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j“ blow it with a nuke j'

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j' gonna make my stand I

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j' on the am band I

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j' makes me I

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j“ wanna puke j'

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j' the number one gizmo
is standing there I

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There's something about D.C.

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Rolling up the streets at 6 pm

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because it's a government place

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and not encouraging too much
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for people that are so extremely
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like Martha and Kim.

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And every time there was a place
that would sort of form a scene,

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it would be quickly shut down.

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Back in the day, we used
to have to like beg for a gig

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and Howard, our bass player, he
talked to this place called shalimar

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into putting on a punk show
with slickee boys and white boy

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for two nights.

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It was going to Friday and
Saturday.

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Everyday pressures and
frustrations tend to build up.

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Jim Kowalski like millions of
other Americans has found

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a way to vent
those frustrations.

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The lead singer looked like
he was just like a banker.

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But anyway, it was him and
his son and

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and his son played lead guitar
and he sang.

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If D.C. seems like a town that
punk shouldn't happen in,

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then maybe that's exactly
where it should happen.

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And it did make us want to
scream

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and play really loud, driving
fast music.

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I was shocked

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when I saw, oh my god,
they put their own record out.

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And on the back you can see
it's like a D.C. house

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it made me thing that you
could put out a record.

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It just had never occurred to me
until that moment.

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It's such a weird record
but I loved it.

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Mr. Ott gets up there
with his green wig

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that he made out of a
toilet seat cover.

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And the owner was just
going crazy.

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And of course we never did
do the second night.

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I have the flyer for it.

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The second night didn't happen.

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And nobody was really getting
covered by any of the newspapers,

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the slickee boys, nobody
was really getting covered.

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And it felt like something has
to happen here.

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Because at that point,
radio was kind of it.

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To try to get in the mindset
that there was nothing else,

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zero.

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There was no other way to listen
to anything.

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It's so impossible to comprehend
that these days.

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Good morning, this is xyra
with revolt into style

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and it is 3 o'clock am.

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You're listening to wgtb fm,
90.1...

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So it wasn't just the music.

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It was the attitude, the
lifestyle,

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the creative freedom.

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And I think people became
excited by that

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because people used to show up

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and sit behind me and I didn't
even know they were there.

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The security was so lax here
at that time.

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People would just come in?

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They'd come in and sit down and
I'd turn around

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and there's these 15 year old
kids who snuck out

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of their parents' house.

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- They'd show up.
- That's awesome.

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And they later formed bands.

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In case president Carter
is listening,

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if you have any questions on
rock 'n' roll please call me up.

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I'll answer them as best I can.

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I do have a few advisors here
with me...

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We're talking about Georgetown

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and this was a catholic
university.

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It's like you're in the heart of
the beast and

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you're entertaining thoughts of
anarchy and revolution.

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And unfortunately, the powers
that be didn't like that.

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So they took it off.

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Thank you. Thank you very much
Washington.

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In the early scene, in D.C.

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Most of these people
were incredibly sweet,

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highly intelligent,

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and they were music fans,

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they were all collector geeks.

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All of us were collector geeks.

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There were several good record
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But the one that we loved
above all others was

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yesterday and today records,
run by our friend skip groff.

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J' mister president...
Mister Carter j'

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j' I think that I oughta... j“

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I tell you what's going on
underground j'

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and he ran a local record label
called limp records.

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And a big common denominator
with all these people like

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Kim Kane and a lot of these
other people in these other bands,

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they all worked at yesterday
and today.

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They all had stuff to do at
yesterday and today.

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And skip was very important to
all these bands that

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became minor threat, that became
fugazi later on.

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It's been a launching pad for local
bands such as the slickee boys

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and alternative rock star
Henry rollins.

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J' yeah I

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j“ and we're all friends I

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j” after with you j'

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j” tonight we have at you j'

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j“ and now we know
it's all true I

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I mean especially skip.

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He was inviting to all the
bands who came to visit.

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There weren't that many people
that were encouraging

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to the D.C. punk scene.

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So by 1978, I had moved out of
D.C. to New York.

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This was the reason I wanted to
go to New York to write stuff like this.

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To me, D.C. was just such an
empty pit of misery.

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Such a small community, I didn't
see anything good coming of it.

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I said “you have to get out of
here.“

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all of you must go.

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The bad brains,

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when we saw them in '79,

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they reinvented the wheel
in front of us.

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We had rock records.

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We'd seen led zeppelin, Ted nugent,
Van halen, we'd seen all that stuff.

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And then you see the bad brains
and you're like: “Oh,

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what was that they just did?“

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Western civilization has been
built upon certain principles of

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beauty, perfection,
and excellence.

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In art, Rembrandt, Picasso.

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In music, bach, Beethoven,

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What you are witnessing here
is a genuine social phenomenon

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called “punk new wave
rock 'n' roll“.

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Good evening.

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You're listening to radio cpr,
your community station

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here in Washington D.C.

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My guests tonight are
Darryl jenifer and sid mccray,

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founding members of the greatest
hardcore band of all time,

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the bad brains.

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On bass guitar to my left,
Darryl jenifer

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on guitar, Dr. No.

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On drums, Earl Hudson.

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My name's hr.

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We love all that goes with
our D.C. music

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and our go-go, funk, jazz
and all that.

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But “winky“ mccray here,

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happened to stumble over some
sex pistols

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and some dead boys

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and you know it was a blessing
that we even looked at that

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and heard that music
and thought:

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Man you know what, we're
going to make some shit like that.

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I hadn't seen anything like
that.

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It was different, the music
was powerful

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I just turned my brothers on
to what I had seen

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and they took it from there.

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Are you ready?

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I can't hear you!

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I can't hear you!

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So when I interviewed hr
in 1987,

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he spoke about getting the
sex pistols record

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and listening to it and he's
just like “holy shit“

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like what the hell is this?

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And all of a sudden realizing
that this was his path.

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What a weird thing to listen
to some music and

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realize that this is your path.

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There's no plan you know

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it's not like ok we're going to
go be this black rock group, no.

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So the only preconception of
this that I can tell you is that

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when we listened to the ramones
and the damned,

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we said we'll they're jumping,
we're gonna jump too.

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But we've got to be able
to jump higher, quicker...

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It's nothing like we sat back
and said...

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The only thing we sat back
and said:

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“If the ramones think they're
playing fast, watch this!“

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J' I didn't mean to rip off I

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j' I thought it was a get off I

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j” in mine j'

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J' I tried to make
the scene off I

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j“ the plan was doomed
to set off I

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j' on time I

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j“ the time that I was wastin' j'

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j' I spent on only chasin'
in the pits j'

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j'and now I paid the price I

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if you live in a town like this and
there's so many people coming

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so many people going,

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you better hold on tight.

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If you wanna feel like you're
a part of anything.

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You realize that... when we
first heard about punk rock,

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we were hearing
the English bands and then

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there was some New York stuff

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and there was Los Angeles bands.

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But then to realize that to
have a band like the bad brains

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being such a center of
a musical scene,

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people that were here were like:

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“Wow, we finally got
something of our own.“

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J” a child is influenced j'

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j' by the make believe j'

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I to take advantage of
this truth j'

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j' is cold hearted sin I

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I so I say to the youth
right now j'

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I don't sway to the unjust j'

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j' no matter what they say I

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j” never give in, never give in j”

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j” hey, what can it be j”

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j” on the big white screen? J”

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j” hey, how can you see j”

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j” you're living in a movie? J”

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A hundred miles an hour,
and like

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they made the ramones
look like they were asleep.

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You know, it's not that they were
just a punk band imitating punk.

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They were like insane.

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A lot of people looked at that
and said like:

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What we've been doing is
kind of derivative and

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it's kind of namby pamby
and kind of flabby,

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you know, this is where
it should go.

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My man.

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- What's going on there?
- Not a whole lot.

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- Isn't this beautiful?
- It's crazy...

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Isn't it nice, good to
see you my friend.

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We did some investigating into
positive thinking philosophies:

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Think and grow rich,
the power to say no.

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And in that literature,
there was a formula called pma,

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positive mental attitude.

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And it meant, whatever the mind
can conceive and believe

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the mind can achieve.

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And it would explain to us,
point by point,

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the dos and the don'ts of
a successful corporation.

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Everyone desires to be rich
and most people believe

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riches to consist only in material
things that money can buy.

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Now here is a list of the 12
things which constitute real riches:

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Number one, a positive
mental attitude.

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Observe that it heads the list.

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We came out trying to do a
“thinking man's punk“ in a way.

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What it is, is it's actually
looking for some substance

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to put in their music
other than “shake your booty“.

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And hr you know, pma
was a good thing,

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positive mental attitude,

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that was big on us, that would
keep us cool in the hood.

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Napoleon hill wrote it,
and the bad brains delivered it.

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And as a young punk rocker,

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I would not intentionally
look for a book that

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tells me to be a better me.

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They just did it without
me knowing.

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Their positive outlook gave punk
rock traction to go forward fast.

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I mean is that still working
for you, pma?

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Yes sir it is, it sure is.

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- Me too.
- It sure is.

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J” hey! I've got my pma j”

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j” hey! I've got my pma.. J”

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Ian and I met in high school.

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He was the curly haired
skateboarding guy

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and I liked skateboarding
also but

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I was much more into
making bombs,

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I just always loved
blowing things up.

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There was a little clutch of
kids and I went over

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to see what was going on and

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there was this one kid
digging a hole in the ground

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and putting something
in the ground.

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And I was like...

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Like what the fuck is it?

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And they said “oh it's a bomb“

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and there was a huge explosion.

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Of course the administration
came out

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and then Jeff was digging
another one in

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and I rememberjust thinking,
that's an interesting kid.

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I still have a book on one of
those shelves,

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a book I was writing of all the
ways to make bombs and bazookas

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and things like that.

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Ian and I bonded over Jimmy
Hendrix,

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And we both had sting ray bikes.

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We'd jump our bikes on these
crappy little ramps we built.

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And then one year you drop
the bike and

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you get a skateboard.

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Ah the skateboarding
definitely predates everything.

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And I grew up basically
a block away from the keg.

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That's where I first learned
to skateboard

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in front of there.

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I didn't realize the
significance of the place.

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I just remember drunk people,
loudness.

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I mean I was 12, 13.

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Ian mackaye,

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Alec mackaye,

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Bert quieroz,

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people we knew became musicians.

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Ian was always playing a piano.

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I remember that from
when we were very little kids.

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Here in this bathroom is
our high school picture.

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In the upper right corner
there's Ian and I

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looking as tough as possible.

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We were all Wilson kids
and we were like:

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“We should form a band.“

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the first band we did was with
Mark Sullivan but

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he went off to college

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so we had to replace him and

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there was this discussion about
like “maybe we should ask nathan“

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cause he was like
the coolest looking punk.

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And I was like: “Are you
interested in singing for the band?“

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and he was like “sure...

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That was the teen idles.

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J” I don't care what
people say j”

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j” I drink milk every day j”

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j” I drink milk j”

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j” I drink milk j”

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j” I don't care what people say j”

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j” I drink milk every day j”

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j” don't drink lemonade j”

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the teen idles were about like

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this is a great time in
our lives.

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Let's have fun, let's not
deaden ourselves

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you know with drugs and alcohol.

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Let's just put on your
sneakers and be a kid.

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That's the part that
really appealed to me.

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Any of you all people
work for the government?

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My dad's state department

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my father works for the post.

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My father works for the e.E.O.C.

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I.r.s.

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Your dad works for the I.R.S.?

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So you people all work for
the government?

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Our dads do.

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I've only been to D.C. once.

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D.C. is the most powerful
city in the world

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but D.C. was not known as a
strong music town.

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I mean there was a good
bluegrass scene.

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And within the black community
there was this fantastic go-go scene.

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There were scenes other
than ours that predated us and

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that were known nationally.

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Everybody told us that if
you want to make it

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you've got to move to New York
or Los Angeles.

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But we thought that was
bullshit.

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When you're working in isolation

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sometimes you come up with
the best stuff.

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By 1979, the scene started to
fizzle.

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Wgtb went off the air.

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Clubs either closed down
or changed booking policies.

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All we had left was
a broken down townhouse

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in the Adams Morgan section
of D.C.,

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madams organ.

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J'oh! Ahj'

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j” you tell me what to say j”

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j” and when to say it j”

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j” you tell me what to do j”

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j” and how to do it j”

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j” and if I ask you why j”

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j” you'll arrest me j”

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j”and if I call you liar j”

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j” you'll detest me j”

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j” you control what I'll be j”

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j” on sundays j”

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we are sitting in what was
the living room of

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231818th St.,
northwest, Washington D.C.

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When I discovered it, it was
madams organ, the art collective.

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An artist friend of mine heard
that I moved to Adams Morgan

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and he said “oh este, darling,
I'm so glad that you moved to

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the madams organ area.“

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and as soon as I heard it I just
cracked up

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so when we were looking for
a name I said,

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I've got a name for you,
this is a perfect name for us.

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Adams Morgan, madams organ.

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I don't know, it started out
kind of like

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a women's think tank with
boyfriends and then

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and then it took off from there.

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I started programming punk
rock shows there and

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that was the end of the
art gallery

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and I feel a little bad
about that.

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So if any of the artists
who had run madams organ

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ever see this then there is a
bit of an apology owed I think.

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Madams organ really defined a
lot of what the D.C. scene became

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in later years

484
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though most people would
have no idea.

485
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The first time I went to D.C.,

486
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we got invited to madams organ.

487
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I just remember it being so hot,
and sweaty, and so packed.

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And when I'm talking about
packed, I'm talking about 80 people,

489
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or whatever, probably the entire
D.C. scene at the time.

490
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This was 1979.

491
00:28:39,685 --> 00:28:43,489
And you were playing in someone's
emptied out front room, right.

492
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-Ah don't need no flashing
lights. -No flashy light shows.

493
00:28:47,593 --> 00:28:49,295
We're not the clash.

494
00:28:50,296 --> 00:28:52,764
Punk rock was an opportunity
to do that,

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to be in a room with people.
Making something together.

496
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:10,348
J” smoke those butts j”

497
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:11,616
j” think yer cool j”

498
00:29:11,617 --> 00:29:13,786
j” say you like the taste
who you trying to fool? J”

499
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,155
j“ nic fit, nic fit,
nic fit, nic fit j“

500
00:29:18,357 --> 00:29:20,692
J” now yer hooked
you can't quit j”

501
00:29:20,693 --> 00:29:23,428
j” without a drag
yer gonna break j”

502
00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:25,997
j“ nic fit, nic fit,
nic fit, nic fit j“

503
00:29:25,998 --> 00:29:28,267
j” one, two. One, two,
three four j”

504
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,076
Cpr, 97.5

505
00:29:37,476 --> 00:29:40,512
with Eddie “the machete“ here in
the studio.

506
00:29:42,181 --> 00:29:45,083
It's interesting because this
was actually a youth movement,

507
00:29:45,084 --> 00:29:46,985
a movement of young people.

508
00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:48,786
And I was wondering, what was
the impetus

509
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,457
for starting a group
at the time?

510
00:29:52,091 --> 00:29:55,293
There was a sound that came
out that

511
00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:59,164
seemed to nicely fit with our
mood

512
00:30:00,065 --> 00:30:02,900
and the razz and the
slickee boys introduced an

513
00:30:02,901 --> 00:30:05,738
idea of making music attainable.

514
00:30:06,005 --> 00:30:08,807
And then having a space like
madams organ

515
00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:10,775
was another example of what

516
00:30:10,776 --> 00:30:13,411
could happen if you just
do it yourself.

517
00:30:13,412 --> 00:30:15,614
It was just
incredibly empowering.

518
00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:20,718
At that age, 14.

519
00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,854
It never occurred to me that it
was unusual that

520
00:30:22,855 --> 00:30:25,523
there would be this kind
of squat house

521
00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,959
in Adams Morgan run
by these weird hippies.

522
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,763
But it was a great space for
experimental performance

523
00:30:31,764 --> 00:30:32,930
if you want to call it that

524
00:30:32,931 --> 00:30:34,866
because that is part of what was
going on

525
00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:37,735
and for any kind of music
to be happening

526
00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:41,440
without critics, I mean you
weren't worried about the door.

527
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:43,675
And there was no financial
transaction that

528
00:30:43,676 --> 00:30:45,878
the whole event was
predicated on.

529
00:30:48,247 --> 00:30:50,816
J” america's youth, the future
don't matter j”

530
00:30:52,985 --> 00:30:56,155
j” been given everything on
a silver platter j”

531
00:30:58,057 --> 00:31:01,493
j” america's youth, teenage
frustration j”

532
00:31:03,128 --> 00:31:04,996
j” they can't seem to cope j”

533
00:31:04,997 --> 00:31:06,432
j” with life's complications j”

534
00:31:08,834 --> 00:31:11,803
j” america's youth! The re-run
generation j”

535
00:31:11,804 --> 00:31:14,038
j” Star Trek and Lucy.
Their only education j”

536
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,308
j” america's youth,
Woodstock lives on.. J”

537
00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:20,145
it was at times pretty messed up

538
00:31:20,979 --> 00:31:25,550
because it never closed,
it was open 24 hours a day

539
00:31:25,551 --> 00:31:28,453
and people come in and go
out, come in and go out.

540
00:31:28,454 --> 00:31:30,988
But they did have a lot of
brothers and sisters

541
00:31:30,989 --> 00:31:33,191
who had been around
from the 60s,

542
00:31:33,192 --> 00:31:36,494
from Woodstock days and they
would tell us about things

543
00:31:36,495 --> 00:31:39,164
that had happened to them when
they were growing up and what not.

544
00:31:40,199 --> 00:31:41,833
It was a place where you wanted
to play punk rock.

545
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,534
Yeah there was that freedom.

546
00:31:43,535 --> 00:31:46,270
You didn't have to worry about
putting a dent in the wall

547
00:31:46,271 --> 00:31:47,271
or anything.

548
00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:49,674
And I remember thinking,
growing up,

549
00:31:49,675 --> 00:31:51,676
that you get out of high school,

550
00:31:51,677 --> 00:31:55,113
you get a job, and then
there's just a line to death.

551
00:31:56,648 --> 00:32:00,919
And it was like, you really
want to have a point in your life

552
00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:05,223
when you can jump out of your
day to day boring existence

553
00:32:05,224 --> 00:32:07,493
or depressingness or whatever.

554
00:32:09,395 --> 00:32:11,730
You realized,
these are my people.

555
00:32:12,197 --> 00:32:13,197
What a bunch of weirdos.

556
00:32:13,198 --> 00:32:14,198
And then you go

557
00:32:14,199 --> 00:32:17,436
“Aha, I'm a weird person.“

558
00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:20,305
madams organ was a house
full of people like that.

559
00:32:21,006 --> 00:32:27,212
And that was so impactful, to
finally have a place I belonged.

560
00:32:29,481 --> 00:32:32,850
And the bad brains actually
lived in the house for a while

561
00:32:32,851 --> 00:32:36,621
and practiced in the basement
and songs like “banned in D.C.“

562
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:38,222
were written right there in
the basement.

563
00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:40,993
And when I was putting up
the posters

564
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:45,631
it wasn't like “oh, I'm going to hang
these things and see what happens.“

565
00:32:45,898 --> 00:32:49,767
it was just like the right time
and it was going to be a big thing

566
00:32:49,768 --> 00:32:52,070
that was going to blossom right
in front of our eyes.

567
00:32:53,739 --> 00:32:56,842
J” your world is doomed with our
own interrogation j”

568
00:32:57,643 --> 00:33:00,379
j” just another Nazi scheme j”

569
00:33:02,181 --> 00:33:04,917
j” the big take over j”

570
00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:11,322
j” the big take over j”

571
00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:12,825
j” yeah j”

572
00:33:17,896 --> 00:33:19,731
You're no longer a spectator.

573
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,435
Music becomes a real
part of your life.

574
00:33:23,702 --> 00:33:28,006
And you watch this chapter of
music history get written.

575
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:34,546
Nobody knew what was
going to happen.

576
00:33:34,913 --> 00:33:37,915
Remember the time the guy
came in with the uzi?

577
00:33:37,916 --> 00:33:41,153
There was times you'd wonder if you
were going to live through the evening.

578
00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:43,654
There would just be weird things
happening.

579
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,524
I didn't understand why a
motorcycle gang would be there.

580
00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:49,260
I didn't understand why a woman
who appeared

581
00:33:49,261 --> 00:33:51,596
to be a witch was
living in the basement.

582
00:33:51,597 --> 00:33:55,166
And there were huge amounts
of pot smoke in the place.

583
00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:57,469
I mean you would definitely
get a contact high.

584
00:33:58,036 --> 00:33:59,437
So on one hand, we're 17 and

585
00:33:59,438 --> 00:34:02,907
we're oblivious to all sorts of
things but I still remember

586
00:34:02,908 --> 00:34:06,611
being horrified at some of these
hippies or yippies

587
00:34:06,612 --> 00:34:08,446
they'd have their babies
on their shoulders

588
00:34:08,447 --> 00:34:11,149
two or three feet from the pa
monitor, blaring.

589
00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:13,685
And, that's not good for their
ears.

590
00:34:16,455 --> 00:34:18,723
J” I used to work as a waitron j”

591
00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:21,026
j” in the lounge
of the hiltron j”

592
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,595
j” now I work for my senatron j”

593
00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:26,732
j” and I live in arlingtron j”

594
00:34:27,466 --> 00:34:29,868
j” I live in arlingtron j”

595
00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:46,450
It's interesting what happened,

596
00:34:46,451 --> 00:34:48,052
the women left madams organ

597
00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:50,154
and then it was pretty much men.

598
00:34:50,155 --> 00:34:53,425
And a couple of the members got
very involved with the yippies

599
00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:57,229
and got involved in the
legalization of marijuana.

600
00:35:02,067 --> 00:35:03,235
Beautiful, man!

601
00:35:05,037 --> 00:35:07,773
We're winding down from the
Vietnam war

602
00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:11,709
and yippies had the balls to
like give out a bunch ofjoints,

603
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:14,112
get everybody high, let's listen
to some good music

604
00:35:14,513 --> 00:35:16,715
and give the authorities
the fucking finger.

605
00:35:20,619 --> 00:35:22,353
At the time it started
to be this

606
00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:25,423
idea that it's important to be
as clear headed as possible

607
00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:27,960
and I think a lot of us got that
because at madams organ,

608
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,128
there were so many burnouts

609
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:33,398
from the counterculture of the
60s and 70s.

610
00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:37,402
We were really influenced by that
counterculture and existed in that lineage

611
00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:39,605
but we didn't want to be
burnouts.

612
00:35:45,944 --> 00:35:48,880
But it wasn't
really hippies that punks hated.

613
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,683
It was this sort of
inertia of the 70s.

614
00:35:52,517 --> 00:35:55,387
But I actually grew up as
a student of the youth culture

615
00:35:55,654 --> 00:35:57,789
in which people
let their freak flag fly.

616
00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:01,293
But to be a freak in 1979,
you cut your hair off

617
00:36:01,927 --> 00:36:03,527
and then you become the enemy.

618
00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:11,102
I think we gave the hippies
a lot of trouble because

619
00:36:11,103 --> 00:36:13,772
they were older and they
didn't really understand us.

620
00:36:14,272 --> 00:36:16,073
But to be fair to them,

621
00:36:16,074 --> 00:36:19,645
they did give these
bands the space to play.

622
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,581
And there were all these old
hippies saying:

623
00:36:23,582 --> 00:36:26,652
“Ha, ha, teen idles,
isn't that cute.“

624
00:36:30,122 --> 00:36:33,392
I think dialectic is a better
word than confluence.

625
00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:37,162
They did not come together
in a stream entirely.

626
00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:40,098
It was a collision but it
was a conversation.

627
00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:44,235
It wasn't like the yippies
were reaching out to the punks.

628
00:36:44,236 --> 00:36:47,372
It's the punks, that reached
out to the yippies for guidance,

629
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:51,108
I'm not looking for a yippie guy to
give me anything about anything.

630
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:53,277
I got no wisdom from any of
those people and in fact

631
00:36:53,278 --> 00:36:55,312
the people that lived at
madams organ,

632
00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:57,549
to a certain degree,
scared me just a little.

633
00:36:59,451 --> 00:37:02,621
We were being called “suburban
white punks“

634
00:37:03,155 --> 00:37:05,289
and we were called capitalists

635
00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:06,624
when all the shows we
were doing...

636
00:37:06,625 --> 00:37:07,858
Fuck it I'm going to go get
my book

637
00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:08,860
and I'll show you.

638
00:37:12,264 --> 00:37:13,564
Three of the teen idles

639
00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:15,033
were natives,

640
00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:18,036
we all lived in the city and
we all went to public schools.

641
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:24,309
Our first show at
madams organ we made $45

642
00:37:24,843 --> 00:37:26,644
but then like all these
other shows

643
00:37:26,645 --> 00:37:27,765
we were just doing benefits.

644
00:37:27,946 --> 00:37:29,548
We were getting no money.

645
00:37:38,857 --> 00:37:42,026
It was a very politicized
time for youth

646
00:37:42,027 --> 00:37:43,761
and this was even pre-Reagan

647
00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,242
but there was definitely a left-
wing sensibility to the scene.

648
00:37:47,799 --> 00:37:49,767
Madams organ was a
good venue for us

649
00:37:49,768 --> 00:37:53,171
as far as being the kind of space
where we could be ourselves.

650
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:01,680
We were in the punk
tradition of social protest

651
00:38:02,848 --> 00:38:06,818
but we were also kind of dadaistic
and non-sensical at times too.

652
00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:10,121
This song is about how
irritating it is

653
00:38:10,122 --> 00:38:12,289
to do your laundry under
late capitalism.

654
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:13,925
It's called speed wash.

655
00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:23,033
With the exception of David
byers, they were all members of

656
00:38:23,034 --> 00:38:24,569
the young socialist alliance.

657
00:38:25,237 --> 00:38:27,371
So they had a strong
socialist agenda.

658
00:38:27,372 --> 00:38:28,940
These are teenagers, right.

659
00:38:38,617 --> 00:38:40,786
So not only was I
the only white guy

660
00:38:41,286 --> 00:38:45,223
but I alsojoined a band that actually
had a genuine political agenda.

661
00:38:45,457 --> 00:38:47,024
I was 14, I had no
political agenda.

662
00:38:47,025 --> 00:38:48,259
I just wanted to meet girls
and play guitar.

663
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:49,261
This is fantastic.

664
00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:56,700
D.C. was a predominantly black
city but madams organ

665
00:38:56,701 --> 00:38:57,969
was primarily white.

666
00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:04,009
The interesting part about it is that there
wasn't really a lot of racial division,

667
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:05,543
white, black...

668
00:39:05,544 --> 00:39:08,346
I really will say that there was
a breakdown,

669
00:39:08,613 --> 00:39:11,882
a breaking away of all
those kinds of barriers.

670
00:39:11,883 --> 00:39:14,986
For them to say that things can
be different

671
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:17,054
had a special meaning

672
00:39:17,055 --> 00:39:18,557
right there in the capital of
the us.

673
00:39:25,297 --> 00:39:26,457
J” daddy was drained today j”

674
00:39:26,565 --> 00:39:28,299
j” the stitched up his faults
then sent him away j”

675
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,034
j” lying all clean in a new
suit and tie j”

676
00:39:30,035 --> 00:39:32,113
j” he was boxed in the back
going along for the ride j”

677
00:39:32,137 --> 00:39:33,638
j” along for the ride j”

678
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:40,337
So the enzymes are not only
part of the madams organ story

679
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:42,640
but almost completely
undermentioned,

680
00:40:42,641 --> 00:40:44,308
unmentioned chapter

681
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:48,679
in that there is no enzymes record,
no compilation album they're on,

682
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,214
there is nothing.

683
00:40:54,586 --> 00:40:56,754
So this is something
apparently I wrote

684
00:40:56,755 --> 00:41:01,359
about some early really cool
getting together of the local scene.

685
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:05,262
I wrote it and signed it, I
don't remember it but I'll read it.

686
00:41:05,263 --> 00:41:09,668
It says “February 13, 1980,
local punk new-wave meeting.

687
00:41:10,302 --> 00:41:12,136
This was called by hr.
Of the bad brains

688
00:41:12,137 --> 00:41:15,240
in some connection with yippies
from madams organ.

689
00:41:16,441 --> 00:41:19,176
This was about the recent rash
of bannings of local punk bands

690
00:41:19,177 --> 00:41:23,714
from D.C. space and of course
their exclusion from every other club.“

691
00:41:23,715 --> 00:41:26,117
bad brains did get banned
in a lot of clubs.

692
00:41:26,451 --> 00:41:27,651
And they still didn't let us in
there

693
00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:29,853
so from now on, boycott!

694
00:41:29,854 --> 00:41:31,756
Nobody goes in there.

695
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:33,757
“Plans: Number 1:

696
00:41:33,758 --> 00:41:39,230
Hold concerts at madams organ
until its lease runs out

697
00:41:39,798 --> 00:41:43,434
and all money to go to renting
a larger more permanent club.“

698
00:41:43,435 --> 00:41:44,469
hey that's pretty hip.

699
00:41:45,637 --> 00:41:48,339
So we started doing benefits to
raise money for the new space

700
00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:49,974
and I remember hr
especially was like:

701
00:41:49,975 --> 00:41:52,343
“Don't worry, we're going to
find a new place.“

702
00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:54,912
at some point we were like -
“what's going on with that space?“

703
00:41:54,913 --> 00:41:56,447
he's like “it's not
going to happen.“

704
00:41:56,448 --> 00:41:59,384
“what about the money we raised?“
And he's like “oh yeah, it's gone.“

705
00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:02,420
we were told it was spent on
somebody's rent.

706
00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:19,471
And that photo:
“Punk rock killed me“...

707
00:42:19,771 --> 00:42:22,773
It might have been their decision
to get involved with punk rock that

708
00:42:22,774 --> 00:42:24,274
did the space in

709
00:42:24,275 --> 00:42:27,946
but it's pretty much the only thing
that madams organ is known for.

710
00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:31,100
We wouldn't be talking about it
if it wasn't for punk rock.

711
00:42:34,452 --> 00:42:37,988
We got used to the idea
that we could go to places and see music

712
00:42:37,989 --> 00:42:40,458
without somebody giving us a
hard time about it

713
00:42:40,825 --> 00:42:42,961
and then we required it.

714
00:43:11,222 --> 00:43:14,458
As soon as you left
madams organ or any club you went into,

715
00:43:14,459 --> 00:43:16,260
you came out looking punk rock,

716
00:43:16,261 --> 00:43:17,661
fairly often,

717
00:43:17,662 --> 00:43:19,363
there's a drunken marine,

718
00:43:19,364 --> 00:43:23,001
cops didn't like you,
student jocks didn't like you,

719
00:43:23,401 --> 00:43:25,836
like it's the university rowing
team who wanna

720
00:43:25,837 --> 00:43:27,472
beat some punk rockers up.

721
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:31,109
I would get on the bus everyday
after school

722
00:43:31,509 --> 00:43:33,310
and from the old lady in the
front to the biggest guy

723
00:43:33,311 --> 00:43:35,113
in the back of the bus
would laugh at me,

724
00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:37,714
potentially throw stuff at me,

725
00:43:37,715 --> 00:43:39,349
and maybe kick my ass.

726
00:43:42,053 --> 00:43:44,588
We're outnumbered, we're
disliked.

727
00:43:44,589 --> 00:43:47,991
All we have is our allegiance,
this music,

728
00:43:47,992 --> 00:43:49,794
and when you have alliances
like that,

729
00:43:50,195 --> 00:43:51,529
that stuff's forever.

730
00:43:52,197 --> 00:43:53,198
Georgetown punks...

731
00:43:56,701 --> 00:43:59,003
It's worth considering that
teen idles'

732
00:43:59,537 --> 00:44:01,673
first tour was
to the west coast.

733
00:44:03,441 --> 00:44:05,877
That group of kids
from Los Angeles,

734
00:44:06,111 --> 00:44:08,079
they were doing what they
called the crawl -

735
00:44:08,379 --> 00:44:09,781
which later on became
slamdancing.

736
00:44:10,081 --> 00:44:12,417
And they jumped off the stage
which I had never seen.

737
00:44:14,219 --> 00:44:18,055
They brought it back from
California, slam dancing but

738
00:44:18,056 --> 00:44:20,625
the thing is that D.C. became
more famous for it,

739
00:44:21,259 --> 00:44:24,528
they did it with all
that fast music from California.

740
00:44:24,529 --> 00:44:27,465
There was this rabid love for
it in D.C.

741
00:44:29,334 --> 00:44:32,436
We saw this powerfully
aggressive thing,

742
00:44:32,437 --> 00:44:34,271
and maybe a little
too aggressive

743
00:44:34,272 --> 00:44:36,441
but we were sort
of enchanted by it.

744
00:44:41,613 --> 00:44:44,615
Black market baby, teen idles
and bad brains

745
00:44:44,616 --> 00:44:47,652
were pretty much what was left
of a once flourishing punk scene.

746
00:44:51,422 --> 00:44:52,957
Then the teen idles broke up.

747
00:44:53,424 --> 00:44:54,959
This is the amazing part.

748
00:44:55,393 --> 00:44:58,796
We had $600 bucks saved up
and we wanted to put out a record.

749
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,103
Skip groff felt that
they should record.

750
00:45:06,271 --> 00:45:08,706
And remember these were D.C.
boys.

751
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,677
I don't know how often they came
into Virginia across the river

752
00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:16,648
but Ian told me we were saying to
ourselves in the car as we came over

753
00:45:17,282 --> 00:45:19,616
“we don't know if there's going
to be a 7-11

754
00:45:19,617 --> 00:45:22,420
nearby, maybe we better
stop and get some provisions.“

755
00:45:22,954 --> 00:45:27,058
it was just a new frontier, and it
was certainly a new frontier for me.

756
00:45:27,592 --> 00:45:31,128
I told them: “Turn it up!
Play like you want to play.“

757
00:45:43,775 --> 00:45:46,143
I was a novice
to the studio scene.

758
00:45:46,144 --> 00:45:49,646
I did not know that studios
tended to split people up,

759
00:45:49,647 --> 00:45:51,448
put them in their
own little booths,

760
00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:54,686
put headphones on them,
and tell them to turn down.

761
00:45:55,053 --> 00:45:59,089
But I felt that going
unrestricted was the way to go

762
00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:02,160
and I've always kept that as my
philosophy.

763
00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:04,095
So here are tapes:

764
00:46:04,629 --> 00:46:08,733
Scream, deadline,
slickee boys...

765
00:46:09,601 --> 00:46:13,971
When the teen idles ep was recorded
and they wanted to put it out on limp,

766
00:46:13,972 --> 00:46:16,139
I said I'm not doing any more
limp stuff

767
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:17,641
and so I said why don't you
start your own label and

768
00:46:17,642 --> 00:46:19,944
that's when they came up with
the concept of dischord.

769
00:46:22,146 --> 00:46:25,783
It was founded technically by
the four members of the teen idles

770
00:46:26,317 --> 00:46:27,884
but geordie was already losing
interest

771
00:46:27,885 --> 00:46:30,121
in being in a band so he was
kind of out of it

772
00:46:31,756 --> 00:46:35,927
and Ian and I were fast friends
so we just took it over ourselves.

773
00:46:36,628 --> 00:46:39,029
I'd much rather make it while
we're not trying to make it,

774
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:40,331
than uh...

775
00:46:40,565 --> 00:46:42,266
Not make while we're
trying to make it.

776
00:46:42,835 --> 00:46:44,034
That's a good one.

777
00:46:45,737 --> 00:46:48,572
All sorts of things were being
tried out and

778
00:46:48,573 --> 00:46:52,076
they were peaking and going
down, peaking and going down and

779
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:55,246
nobody knew what would
stick to the wall.

780
00:46:56,981 --> 00:46:58,915
J” no more beatlemania j”

781
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:08,393
There was a lot of adventurous
stuff happening

782
00:47:08,693 --> 00:47:10,938
and you know, you'd run into a
band like half Japanese and

783
00:47:10,962 --> 00:47:13,331
be like: “What the hell
is this?“

784
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,669
if you start with the premise
that the energy is the thing

785
00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:23,074
then that guitar or this piano,
they're just there

786
00:47:23,775 --> 00:47:26,777
for you to focus your energy on.

787
00:47:26,778 --> 00:47:28,512
If you didn't know how to play
the instrument,

788
00:47:28,513 --> 00:47:30,081
you did something with it.

789
00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:33,151
Half Japanese is
a perfect example.

790
00:47:34,018 --> 00:47:37,321
J” she took my heart and
and threw it in the lake j”

791
00:47:37,322 --> 00:47:40,658
j” my baby learned how
to face rake j”

792
00:47:53,438 --> 00:47:56,607
J” I used to have fun but
now I don't j”

793
00:47:57,642 --> 00:48:02,045
well here I am with the
fabulous, cuddly, David fair.

794
00:48:02,046 --> 00:48:03,481
What do you have to say David?

795
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:08,252
I ain't got nothing to say.

796
00:48:08,753 --> 00:48:11,823
How does it feel to be so
famous these days?

797
00:48:12,256 --> 00:48:14,525
Oh it feels super.

798
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:18,296
What kind of message are
you trying to say?

799
00:48:18,563 --> 00:48:20,831
Love songs and monster songs.

800
00:48:20,832 --> 00:48:23,567
Which do you like better, love
songs or monster songs?

801
00:48:23,568 --> 00:48:24,702
Love songs.

802
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,976
The spirit then was that we're going
to work together to create a scene

803
00:48:32,777 --> 00:48:36,079
because we started out without
a scene and then the bars

804
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,814
and the clubs said “oh,

805
00:48:37,815 --> 00:48:39,216
something's happening here
something

806
00:48:39,217 --> 00:48:41,085
that's not garbage music.“

807
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,023
one thing that's extremely important
was that when the 9:30 club opened

808
00:48:47,024 --> 00:48:49,025
which was in 1980,

809
00:48:49,026 --> 00:48:52,997
they very quickly had all those
all ages shows there, right.

810
00:48:54,365 --> 00:48:57,501
All of a sudden, all those kids
that came to madams organ,

811
00:48:57,502 --> 00:48:59,703
they had somewhere to play.

812
00:48:59,704 --> 00:49:02,506
But that never would have
happened so easily

813
00:49:02,507 --> 00:49:04,342
if it hadn't been
for madams organ.

814
00:49:05,243 --> 00:49:08,379
That's what showed that there
was an audience for that music.

815
00:49:10,047 --> 00:49:11,916
Letting minors in,

816
00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:13,651
that was a great thing
about 9:30.

817
00:49:14,886 --> 00:49:17,255
And that's what the whole
“x“s on the hands thing is,

818
00:49:17,755 --> 00:49:20,792
that means I don't drink, I'm
straight,

819
00:49:21,225 --> 00:49:23,327
you know, like when a bartender
sees your hand.

820
00:49:23,728 --> 00:49:25,263
That's where it originated from.

821
00:49:25,663 --> 00:49:27,832
That's really, really important.

822
00:49:38,376 --> 00:49:40,477
The original punk bands,

823
00:49:40,478 --> 00:49:42,680
we all kind of nudged each
other, “aren't they cute?“

824
00:49:42,914 --> 00:49:44,515
but you could see certain bands,

825
00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:46,709
they were progressively
getting better and better,

826
00:49:47,218 --> 00:49:49,187
and you knew they were
going to be good.

827
00:49:49,954 --> 00:49:53,190
It seemed to me at the time
like a bubble gum version

828
00:49:53,191 --> 00:49:54,358
of punk rock

829
00:49:54,959 --> 00:49:57,395
so I thought like “Teenie
boppers“, “Teenie punks“.

830
00:49:58,763 --> 00:50:00,697
But it wasn't meant to be like I
hate these people,

831
00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:02,567
it was more like, what do ya got
next"

832
00:50:03,501 --> 00:50:04,501
kids?

833
00:50:04,936 --> 00:50:07,405
And sure enough,
they sure showed me.

834
00:50:09,373 --> 00:50:10,540
J” hey Ronnie j”

835
00:50:10,541 --> 00:50:11,942
j”heyj”

836
00:50:11,943 --> 00:50:12,944
j” hey Ronnie j”

837
00:50:13,244 --> 00:50:15,212
j”heyj”

838
00:50:15,213 --> 00:50:16,547
j” hey Ronnie j”

839
00:50:16,948 --> 00:50:18,381
j”heyj”

840
00:50:18,382 --> 00:50:19,383
j” hey Ronnie j”

841
00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:23,353
Ronald Reagan was in office.

842
00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:24,621
Things was really just
going to hell.

843
00:50:24,622 --> 00:50:27,424
So when the so-called
“hardcore" scene started,

844
00:50:27,425 --> 00:50:29,092
people just blew up.

845
00:50:29,093 --> 00:50:30,094
They just blew up.

846
00:50:30,361 --> 00:50:33,231
It was just time for some
real outrage to lead this thing.

847
00:50:33,531 --> 00:50:37,567
Ronald Reagan, you're so fucked
up it makes me puke.

848
00:50:40,605 --> 00:50:42,539
In the fall of 1980

849
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:45,775
we saw this magazine
article and the writer said

850
00:50:45,776 --> 00:50:48,144
there's this new style of music
called hardcore.

851
00:50:48,145 --> 00:50:51,214
Then he referenced
black flag, circle jerks,

852
00:50:51,215 --> 00:50:54,551
doa, dead Kennedys,
bad brains and stuff like that.

853
00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:57,220
He said, I'm going to
characterize this as hardcore

854
00:50:57,221 --> 00:50:59,422
because they've got this fresh
new attitude

855
00:50:59,423 --> 00:51:02,827
and they've got a more straightforward
musical approach in a way, right.

856
00:51:04,362 --> 00:51:06,963
And the main focus within the
hardcore scene

857
00:51:06,964 --> 00:51:10,267
was let's get out there
and get people thinking.

858
00:51:10,268 --> 00:51:14,271
So wow, this is serious, we are
serious about changing the world,

859
00:51:14,272 --> 00:51:16,274
maybe only a few people
at a time right?

860
00:51:21,946 --> 00:51:25,750
Punk rock at the time had become
really associated with sid vicious,

861
00:51:27,685 --> 00:51:31,054
the New York scene and this sort
of self-destructive junkie culture.

862
00:51:41,332 --> 00:51:44,034
So we said we were
“hardcore punk rock“,

863
00:51:44,035 --> 00:51:47,571
meaning that we didn't need to
like look tough or

864
00:51:47,572 --> 00:51:51,074
to have this sort of self-destructive
nihilistic kind of thing.

865
00:51:51,075 --> 00:51:53,311
We were more committed. It
wasn't a dress up thing,

866
00:51:53,544 --> 00:51:55,111
we actually were going
to live it.

867
00:52:13,698 --> 00:52:16,166
J” what are we doing here? J”

868
00:52:16,167 --> 00:52:18,235
j” why did we come at all? J”

869
00:52:18,669 --> 00:52:21,204
j” did we think we'd
find the truth? J”

870
00:52:21,205 --> 00:52:23,473
j” an answer to this mystery j”

871
00:52:23,474 --> 00:52:25,309
j” all the signs say beware j”

872
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:28,144
j” but now I really don't care j”

873
00:52:28,145 --> 00:52:30,481
j” I've come too far to go back j”

874
00:52:31,282 --> 00:52:35,753
a lot of ideas all came together
and broke free from

875
00:52:36,187 --> 00:52:38,623
what could have been just a
real stupid kind of

876
00:52:38,889 --> 00:52:40,490
forward momentum of just rock
'n' roll

877
00:52:40,491 --> 00:52:42,760
and no time for that.

878
00:52:56,540 --> 00:53:00,176
Hr comes up to me and goes
“Henry, you're a singer“

879
00:53:00,177 --> 00:53:01,497
and I said “I'm not a singer,
hr“.

880
00:53:01,846 --> 00:53:04,849
He's like “tonight, you're a singer
and you're singing with the bad brains.“

881
00:53:05,216 --> 00:53:07,551
and he dragged me up on stage.

882
00:53:08,886 --> 00:53:12,355
In the same way Ian wanted
to be in charge of the next band,

883
00:53:12,356 --> 00:53:14,458
Henry formed his own
band called soa,

884
00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:16,660
there's always been a friendly
rivalry

885
00:53:16,661 --> 00:53:19,497
between the two of them
that continues to this day.

886
00:53:20,665 --> 00:53:23,833
When the teen idles broke up,
Henry's whole attention span

887
00:53:23,834 --> 00:53:25,268
had to go somewhere else.

888
00:53:25,269 --> 00:53:28,606
Henry is like a shark,
he just keeps moving,

889
00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:30,974
he doesn't look behind, he's
always looking

890
00:53:30,975 --> 00:53:32,710
at the next project.

891
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,448
They were like fourteen, I'm 18.

892
00:53:39,283 --> 00:53:40,417
I'm like, “ok I'm your singer“

893
00:53:40,418 --> 00:53:42,153
and they're like “hmmm.“

894
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:43,553
and I said “do you guys talk?“

895
00:53:43,554 --> 00:53:45,790
they were like “eh..."
And like we barely spoke.

896
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:51,194
So it was a set that was between
9 and 11 minutes in duration.

897
00:53:51,195 --> 00:53:53,463
Most of it: “Are you ready?“
“Yeah, are you ready?“

898
00:53:53,464 --> 00:53:56,099
Test. Test. Test.

899
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,269
Test. Test. Test.

900
00:54:02,139 --> 00:54:04,108
Soa was a very hard band
but they never play

901
00:54:04,375 --> 00:54:06,215
cause every time they play
there's like a riot.

902
00:54:06,544 --> 00:54:09,180
We were the bands who said like
“fuck it, we're going harder.“

903
00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:12,093
cause every time someone laughs
at us we said: “Fine laugh now cause

904
00:54:12,216 --> 00:54:15,553
we're going to make it harder
for you to laugh at us later.“

905
00:54:15,786 --> 00:54:19,856
“Teenie punks, stupid kids“ and
we were very tired of hearing it.

906
00:54:19,857 --> 00:54:21,458
I mean if they don't want to
take us seriously then

907
00:54:21,459 --> 00:54:24,027
we're going to make it harder
for them to take us at all.

908
00:54:24,028 --> 00:54:25,195
J” some guy's got your money j”

909
00:54:25,196 --> 00:54:26,930
j” there's two things
you can do j”

910
00:54:26,931 --> 00:54:28,364
j” you can always give it up j”

911
00:54:28,365 --> 00:54:29,365
j” but what does
that leave you? J”

912
00:54:29,366 --> 00:54:30,767
j” some guy's got you
cornered j”

913
00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:32,068
j” he thinks he's
got you licked j”

914
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:33,470
j” if you don't
do something soon j”

915
00:54:33,471 --> 00:54:34,791
j” your ass is
gonna get kicked j”

916
00:54:46,884 --> 00:54:48,619
Well bad brains played in my
mom's basement

917
00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:51,221
and then soa practiced there

918
00:54:51,222 --> 00:54:52,856
then my mom said, “that's it“.

919
00:54:55,993 --> 00:54:58,094
Meanwhile we were writing all
these new songs

920
00:54:58,095 --> 00:54:59,630
and they were pretty cool too.

921
00:54:59,864 --> 00:55:01,966
And that was going to be our
next 45.

922
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:04,400
And then I joined black flag,

923
00:55:04,401 --> 00:55:05,736
and I went away.

924
00:55:11,008 --> 00:55:13,376
He was able to join
his favorite band

925
00:55:13,377 --> 00:55:16,279
and we were so much younger.
It was obvious...

926
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,449
We were not a national act, I was
going into the 11th grade you know.

927
00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:21,418
And we weren't going to
be a national act.

928
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:28,993
Black flag came and played and
said they needed a lead vocafisl

929
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,361
would Henry be into it?

930
00:55:31,362 --> 00:55:35,498
I just said: “Go up there, be
yourself, ain't nothing to it but to do it“

931
00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:37,167
and that's just what he did

932
00:55:37,168 --> 00:55:41,272
and he took all his clothes off
and there was sweat pouring down.

933
00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:54,851
The bad brains split
for New York

934
00:55:54,852 --> 00:55:58,122
and they kinda became
not our band anymore.

935
00:56:00,724 --> 00:56:04,195
They spent way more time
in NY than in D.C. as a band

936
00:56:04,628 --> 00:56:06,563
and obviously had
a huge influence

937
00:56:06,564 --> 00:56:07,998
on bands in New York.

938
00:56:08,899 --> 00:56:12,403
There's a slew of bands that you know
are there because of the bad brains.

939
00:56:14,004 --> 00:56:16,164
Punk rockers who grew up here
and then went to New York

940
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,177
would say: “It's so provincial
and New York is so much cooler“

941
00:56:20,711 --> 00:56:23,472
and of course if you grow up in
D.C. you have a chip on your shoulder.

942
00:56:24,949 --> 00:56:26,883
So I think the bad brains
decision to move to New York

943
00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:28,564
was like throwing salt
in the wound for us.

944
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,422
And I remember when they
moved I was just gutted.

945
00:56:46,136 --> 00:56:47,671
Bad brains

946
00:56:48,205 --> 00:56:49,640
slickee boys

947
00:56:50,374 --> 00:56:52,108
tru-fax and the insaniacs

948
00:56:52,109 --> 00:56:53,744
these are people who were
encouraging us.

949
00:56:54,078 --> 00:56:55,779
These are people who
were craftsmen.

950
00:56:56,247 --> 00:56:58,348
They knew how to play
their instruments but they

951
00:56:58,349 --> 00:57:00,250
also knew that these are kids

952
00:57:00,251 --> 00:57:01,719
who know what they want to do,

953
00:57:02,286 --> 00:57:04,188
let's help them do it.

954
00:57:11,195 --> 00:57:14,198
And when the bad brains had
left,

955
00:57:14,598 --> 00:57:18,001
I think that maybe minor threat
filled that vacuum to a degree.

956
00:57:18,002 --> 00:57:20,670
It was the right thing for the
right time.

957
00:57:22,339 --> 00:57:24,874
That is the dischord house which
is where we moved

958
00:57:24,875 --> 00:57:26,877
a year after high school.

959
00:57:27,611 --> 00:57:29,712
We were obsessed with Coca-Cola.

960
00:57:29,713 --> 00:57:32,850
And this is where dischord
had its headquarters and

961
00:57:34,051 --> 00:57:36,487
that was our band minor threat
practicing in the basement.

962
00:57:37,554 --> 00:57:39,989
Jeff was a total hard worker.

963
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:41,457
He spent hours drumming every
day and

964
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:43,560
he had high goals for himself.

965
00:57:44,628 --> 00:57:46,930
Ian was similar in that he saw

966
00:57:46,931 --> 00:57:49,333
early on in his life,
production and progress.

967
00:57:57,308 --> 00:58:00,277
The pa could suck and it would
be amazing.

968
00:58:00,811 --> 00:58:04,247
Here they come again, no way
they're going to be as good,

969
00:58:04,248 --> 00:58:06,115
they were always better.

970
00:58:06,116 --> 00:58:07,116
That's the band.

971
00:58:07,384 --> 00:58:08,819
They're going to be huge.

972
00:58:09,286 --> 00:58:10,987
You can sing along
to every lyric.

973
00:58:10,988 --> 00:58:12,389
You remember every melody.

974
00:58:12,656 --> 00:58:14,358
Finally we have our Beatles.

975
00:58:19,096 --> 00:58:20,998
J”you built that wall up
around you j”

976
00:58:21,298 --> 00:58:22,932
j” and now you can't see out j”

977
00:58:22,933 --> 00:58:25,436
you know we heard it we
were like, holy fuck!

978
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:28,504
That's really turning it up a
notch.

979
00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:29,806
And people were like “whoa",

980
00:58:29,807 --> 00:58:31,208
this is fucking crazy, right?

981
00:58:31,542 --> 00:58:33,444
To the people that
hated punk rock,

982
00:58:33,844 --> 00:58:36,145
it became even more offensive.

983
00:58:37,681 --> 00:58:39,783
J” it followed me j”

984
00:58:43,487 --> 00:58:45,155
- hello?
- Hello.

985
00:58:45,422 --> 00:58:47,757
I think your program
is terrible,

986
00:58:47,758 --> 00:58:51,995
the language used on the
records, it's just really atrocious.

987
00:58:51,996 --> 00:58:55,999
You can talk gutter talk or you can
talk like a person that's educated.

988
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,434
Well we're talking angry so we
use angry words and

989
00:58:58,435 --> 00:59:00,036
we're not singing about
getting laid or

990
00:59:00,037 --> 00:59:02,106
getting stoned all night long
or any of that.

991
00:59:02,339 --> 00:59:04,974
Well I think if you cleaned up your
act you'd have a lot more following.

992
00:59:04,975 --> 00:59:06,776
Maybe we don't want the
following.

993
00:59:06,777 --> 00:59:09,055
We're not bending for you, we're
bending for ourselves only.

994
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:10,748
And obviously we're succeeding.

995
00:59:11,015 --> 00:59:12,883
You're succeeding in being
repulsive.

996
00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:14,884
That's in your eyes.

997
00:59:14,885 --> 00:59:16,285
Whose mother was that?

998
00:59:16,286 --> 00:59:18,455
Not my mom, I'll tell you that.

999
00:59:21,191 --> 00:59:23,394
J” what the fuck
have you done? J”

1000
00:59:23,794 --> 00:59:24,794
j” it's in my eyes j”

1001
00:59:28,832 --> 00:59:29,833
J” it's in my eyes j”

1002
00:59:31,568 --> 00:59:32,569
j” it's in my eyes j”

1003
00:59:33,804 --> 00:59:36,573
j” and it doesn't look
that way to me j”

1004
00:59:49,086 --> 00:59:52,855
This building, the
Washington coliseum

1005
00:59:52,856 --> 00:59:58,461
is where the Beatles played their
first live concert in the United States,

1006
00:59:58,462 --> 01:00:00,630
February 11th, 1964.

1007
01:00:02,966 --> 01:00:07,170
They played 12 songs and it took
them one hour to do it.

1008
01:00:07,171 --> 01:00:10,074
And for minor threat, 12 songs
would be...

1009
01:00:10,641 --> 01:00:12,375
13 minutes.

1010
01:00:12,376 --> 01:00:15,178
So that shows you how things
have progressed

1011
01:00:15,179 --> 01:00:17,480
from 1964 to 1980.

1012
01:00:23,287 --> 01:00:26,823
It was the equivalent of sprinting
for your whole half an hourset

1013
01:00:26,824 --> 01:00:29,392
to try and play some of the minor
threat stuff now, 30 years later,

1014
01:00:29,393 --> 01:00:33,262
I would probably play for about a
minute and then I would collapse.

1015
01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:42,072
This is where you really see the
influence of bad brains.

1016
01:00:42,773 --> 01:00:45,908
You can listen to the sex
pistols, as cool as they are,

1017
01:00:45,909 --> 01:00:48,344
you can track that back to
Chuck Berry.

1018
01:00:48,345 --> 01:00:49,846
Whereas when you hear the
minor threat stuff,

1019
01:00:49,847 --> 01:00:52,014
there's a lot in there that's
not predictable.

1020
01:00:52,015 --> 01:00:54,751
It's not just a rumble and it's
not just a roar.

1021
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:56,487
It's packed in so hard.

1022
01:00:58,822 --> 01:00:59,823
J” stand up j”

1023
01:01:00,224 --> 01:01:01,225
j” stand up j”

1024
01:01:01,592 --> 01:01:02,593
j” stand up j”

1025
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,561
j” and be counted j”

1026
01:01:11,101 --> 01:01:15,639
It's mainly about the emotion,
the rawness, the speed.

1027
01:01:16,273 --> 01:01:19,176
It was a drama that was
an audio drama.

1028
01:01:20,944 --> 01:01:24,047
Then you add in the audiences
who,

1029
01:01:24,448 --> 01:01:28,619
for our shows,
couldn't have been more into it.

1030
01:01:29,086 --> 01:01:32,990
They knew every word and they
were in it.

1031
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:37,126
So I used to say that a lot of
what we did when we played was

1032
01:01:37,127 --> 01:01:40,130
more like a church setting than
a show.

1033
01:02:00,083 --> 01:02:03,052
When we got together as a band,
it was understood

1034
01:02:03,053 --> 01:02:05,721
that I was going to leave the
next September to go to college.

1035
01:02:05,722 --> 01:02:08,424
So the idea with the band was
that it was going to essentially what,

1036
01:02:08,425 --> 01:02:09,693
a 9 month band.

1037
01:02:10,494 --> 01:02:12,562
When Lyle left, of course we
broke up cause

1038
01:02:12,563 --> 01:02:14,297
that's just the way,

1039
01:02:14,298 --> 01:02:15,566
we just don't replace members.

1040
01:02:32,182 --> 01:02:33,182
It's just multiplying.

1041
01:02:33,183 --> 01:02:34,383
Now we have our own office.

1042
01:02:34,384 --> 01:02:36,186
We sent out 400 records today.

1043
01:02:42,659 --> 01:02:45,995
Here's a label that basically
comes out of one of the bands,

1044
01:02:45,996 --> 01:02:49,933
the teen idles, and then it
starts to try to help every band.

1045
01:02:51,468 --> 01:02:54,604
It didn't matter if it was to put
out a government issue record

1046
01:02:54,605 --> 01:02:57,874
or what was the next project,
it was to keep it going.

1047
01:02:58,242 --> 01:03:00,810
J” sex and violence j”

1048
01:03:00,811 --> 01:03:02,545
j” I like to watch j”

1049
01:03:02,546 --> 01:03:04,314
j” destructive earthquakes j”

1050
01:03:04,548 --> 01:03:06,649
j” catastrophic shocks j”

1051
01:03:09,786 --> 01:03:11,721
when they started sending us
checks,

1052
01:03:11,722 --> 01:03:13,991
I called Ian up and I said:

1053
01:03:14,358 --> 01:03:16,692
“We don't have an agreement for
you to give us checks

1054
01:03:16,693 --> 01:03:18,213
it's supposed to go into
your company.“

1055
01:03:18,629 --> 01:03:21,431
John said that it was never
the plan. And Ian said “no, no,

1056
01:03:21,732 --> 01:03:27,037
we're doing ok now, you can cash
the checks... we're fine.“

1057
01:03:28,472 --> 01:03:31,507
we said one thing we wanted to
do was to put out a sampler

1058
01:03:31,508 --> 01:03:32,676
with all the bands.

1059
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:37,981
We had 4,000 copies printed up
and we sold out in one week.

1060
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:43,152
They called us “Georgetown
punks“, a put-down,

1061
01:03:43,153 --> 01:03:44,521
“Teenie punks“,

1062
01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:48,058
“muscleheads“, another put-down.

1063
01:03:48,525 --> 01:03:50,493
So Ian comes up with “flex your
head“.

1064
01:03:50,494 --> 01:03:52,361
Like if you're gonna be a
musclehead,

1065
01:03:52,362 --> 01:03:53,729
then flex this muscle,

1066
01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:55,499
that's where that whole phrase
comes from.

1067
01:03:55,732 --> 01:03:57,400
Think, use your head.

1068
01:03:57,401 --> 01:04:00,137
That's classic Ian,
channeling twain.

1069
01:04:03,974 --> 01:04:08,011
These records were not promotional
items, that's for fucking sure.

1070
01:04:08,278 --> 01:04:11,480
We were documenting music that
was important to us.

1071
01:04:11,481 --> 01:04:12,748
That was the idea.

1072
01:04:12,749 --> 01:04:15,419
And actually that, for me is
still the idea to this day.

1073
01:04:17,454 --> 01:04:19,356
Jello biafra of the
dead Kennedys

1074
01:04:19,623 --> 01:04:22,035
once remarked that one of the
things that used to distinguish the

1075
01:04:22,059 --> 01:04:25,429
DC punk scene was that we were
pretty insistent on documentation.

1076
01:04:26,396 --> 01:04:29,065
The bands would just go and
record all the songs we knew,

1077
01:04:29,066 --> 01:04:31,368
and also on archiving,
people saved stuff.

1078
01:04:33,036 --> 01:04:37,441
Ian got into that and thankfully
guys like Kim Kane, same thing.

1079
01:04:37,941 --> 01:04:40,677
Here you go, early 80s,
this one's just early 1980.

1080
01:04:41,044 --> 01:04:44,114
You see in this room a lot of
first wave punk rock bands,

1081
01:04:44,481 --> 01:04:47,483
UK subs, pure hell, pil,

1082
01:04:47,484 --> 01:04:50,020
gun club, buzzcocks, the fall.

1083
01:04:50,387 --> 01:04:54,123
And I've met many of these
people, members of these bands and

1084
01:04:54,124 --> 01:04:56,959
I've asked them, like “do you
have any tapes?

1085
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,662
Where's the this, the that,
the flyers?“

1086
01:04:59,663 --> 01:05:03,199
and you'd figure they would
have had just boxes of the stuff.

1087
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,737
But it's amazing to find out
they have nothing...

1088
01:05:07,304 --> 01:05:08,537
Like nothing.

1089
01:05:15,946 --> 01:05:17,466
J” everywhere I go I see
their rules j”

1090
01:05:17,948 --> 01:05:19,788
j” they're on the streets
and in the schools j”

1091
01:05:20,584 --> 01:05:22,104
j” authority says one
thing for sure j”

1092
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:24,221
j” life can't be without
structures j”

1093
01:05:25,155 --> 01:05:28,125
j” I'm not at the hand
of their tools j”

1094
01:05:28,358 --> 01:05:31,061
j” I'm going to live
by my rules j”

1095
01:05:31,328 --> 01:05:34,531
j” why should I listen
to those fools? J”

1096
01:05:35,232 --> 01:05:37,901
j” I'm going to live
by my rules j”

1097
01:05:39,803 --> 01:05:44,140
Punk has always been much
more identifiable with a city or an area.

1098
01:05:44,141 --> 01:05:46,542
The kids were very proud of
their roots

1099
01:05:46,543 --> 01:05:50,012
and you get a lot more of the
information and the perspective of

1100
01:05:50,013 --> 01:05:53,617
how their roots were shaped
and how their music was formed.

1101
01:05:54,951 --> 01:05:58,722
The DC flag, I can remember a time
when nobody knew what it looked like

1102
01:05:59,289 --> 01:06:01,557
then DC punks started replacing

1103
01:06:01,558 --> 01:06:03,427
those three stars with “x“s.

1104
01:06:04,127 --> 01:06:07,030
Now you see it as a hardcore
symbol.

1105
01:06:07,464 --> 01:06:09,765
We got really DC centric

1106
01:06:09,766 --> 01:06:12,803
and when you'd travel you'd put
your DC flag somewhere obvious.

1107
01:06:13,603 --> 01:06:16,639
When I was playing around with
some of the first ads,

1108
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,710
I realized that DC happened to
be in the middle of hardcore.

1109
01:06:21,144 --> 01:06:23,456
Of course then years later,
you just can't get away from it.

1110
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,116
I mean, every review, you know,
har“do“core

1111
01:06:27,184 --> 01:06:28,484
I think for better or for worse,

1112
01:06:28,485 --> 01:06:31,888
DC will forever kind of be
associated with like hardcore.

1113
01:06:40,464 --> 01:06:43,399
At first bands like soa and
minor threat would open

1114
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:44,968
for bands like the slickee boys.

1115
01:06:46,169 --> 01:06:49,573
But once the hardcore thing
started really going,

1116
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,474
there were enough hardcore bands

1117
01:06:51,475 --> 01:06:52,675
and there was enough of
an audience

1118
01:06:52,676 --> 01:06:55,811
that if you put 3 hardcore bands
or 5 or 8 hardcore bands

1119
01:06:55,812 --> 01:06:57,313
together on a bill

1120
01:06:57,314 --> 01:06:58,515
you could get a crowd.

1121
01:06:59,182 --> 01:07:01,684
So we didn't need to play
along with the

1122
01:07:01,685 --> 01:07:04,154
earlier generation bands like
tru-fax or the nurses.

1123
01:07:05,555 --> 01:07:07,891
J” she's not playing my heart j”

1124
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:11,961
and we're seeing, kind of like

1125
01:07:11,962 --> 01:07:14,430
“we're like the new kids,
fuck you guys.

1126
01:07:14,431 --> 01:07:15,932
Fuck you older guys.“

1127
01:07:16,733 --> 01:07:19,936
which, to be fair there probably
was some of that attitude.

1128
01:07:21,238 --> 01:07:24,306
J” she's known for looking like
winter j”

1129
01:07:24,307 --> 01:07:27,142
j” empty eyes under
sodium lights j”

1130
01:07:27,143 --> 01:07:31,948
j” taking ideas from old newspapers
dressing in black and white j”

1131
01:07:32,249 --> 01:07:35,619
but before there were bands like
minor threat,

1132
01:07:36,786 --> 01:07:39,088
sure as hell we were punks.

1133
01:07:42,225 --> 01:07:44,594
J” I don't wanna hear it j”

1134
01:07:45,295 --> 01:07:46,375
j” I don't wanna hear it j”

1135
01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:47,840
j” because I know that
none of it's true j”

1136
01:07:47,864 --> 01:07:48,944
j” I don't wanna hear it j”

1137
01:07:49,933 --> 01:07:52,501
I started feeling kind of out,
you know...

1138
01:07:52,502 --> 01:07:54,403
Some of the hardcore was
getting so hardcore

1139
01:07:54,404 --> 01:07:57,306
that it wasn't my sound and
I started to feel like ok,

1140
01:07:57,307 --> 01:07:59,709
it's the old guy in the back of
the room with the long hair.

1141
01:07:59,943 --> 01:08:01,310
J” yes we all know it's true.. J”

1142
01:08:01,311 --> 01:08:02,755
you know in the early days
we were actually

1143
01:08:02,779 --> 01:08:05,339
ostracized and banned from some
clubs because we were a punk band

1144
01:08:06,416 --> 01:08:08,117
but compared to nowadays
we weren't.

1145
01:08:10,253 --> 01:08:13,723
J” if it was once,
now it's here to stay j”

1146
01:08:17,494 --> 01:08:20,763
they were just everybody's band

1147
01:08:20,764 --> 01:08:22,531
because they were punk and they
were rock and

1148
01:08:22,532 --> 01:08:24,333
they were new wave and they
were everything.

1149
01:08:24,334 --> 01:08:26,502
They were surf and they were
rockabilly.

1150
01:08:26,503 --> 01:08:27,736
They were you just like...

1151
01:08:27,737 --> 01:08:29,017
You know, they were a rock band.

1152
01:08:31,541 --> 01:08:33,876
Slickee boys were singing about
cars and girls

1153
01:08:33,877 --> 01:08:37,346
and a lot of times we got criticized
for not having enough angst

1154
01:08:37,347 --> 01:08:39,583
because we didn't have angst, we
were having fun.

1155
01:08:40,183 --> 01:08:42,151
I mean what's angst about being
on stage

1156
01:08:42,152 --> 01:08:46,389
with like your best friends and
playing loud fast rock 'n' roll?

1157
01:08:46,690 --> 01:08:49,659
But the younger guys had points
they were trying to get across,

1158
01:08:49,993 --> 01:08:51,760
and I think their message was
positive,

1159
01:08:51,761 --> 01:08:53,041
but it was a little
more serious.

1160
01:08:59,269 --> 01:09:01,070
That's what punk really is.

1161
01:09:01,071 --> 01:09:02,391
It's a music that's not a
product.

1162
01:09:02,606 --> 01:09:06,075
It's a music that you're doing
for the hell of it, for your friends

1163
01:09:06,076 --> 01:09:07,877
and if they like it,
that's good enough.

1164
01:09:09,179 --> 01:09:11,214
I had stopped fretting
over having

1165
01:09:11,548 --> 01:09:15,184
moved away from New York just as
the New York punk scene

1166
01:09:15,185 --> 01:09:16,585
was really starting to
like surface.

1167
01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:20,323
Because something that I helped
contribute to the creation of,

1168
01:09:21,224 --> 01:09:24,360
the fact that it's still important
to people around the world,

1169
01:09:24,361 --> 01:09:25,628
to me is a lot more satisfying

1170
01:09:25,629 --> 01:09:29,465
than just going to New York
and being in bands and you

1171
01:09:29,466 --> 01:09:31,001
make it or you don't make it.

1172
01:09:49,419 --> 01:09:51,687
As the punk scenes grew
around the world

1173
01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:54,824
an entire separate world
was being created.

1174
01:09:57,527 --> 01:10:00,162
“Putting D.C. on the map“ was a
slogan that I came up with

1175
01:10:00,163 --> 01:10:03,365
in an ironic way but it
ended up being kind of true

1176
01:10:03,366 --> 01:10:08,070
I think we did play a part in helping
to make a name for DC musically.

1177
01:10:13,643 --> 01:10:16,780
I think people were jealous of the
DC scene because it was together.

1178
01:10:17,681 --> 01:10:20,561
People really felt you know: “We're
going to change things all together.“

1179
01:10:21,418 --> 01:10:23,986
and a lot of those people really
took that with them for a long time and

1180
01:10:23,987 --> 01:10:25,755
kept it with them
in their hearts.

1181
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:31,126
That strength from the DC punk
scene really reverberated

1182
01:10:31,127 --> 01:10:32,995
into other scenes

1183
01:10:32,996 --> 01:10:36,565
and certain bands who got really
huge referenced the

1184
01:10:36,566 --> 01:10:41,371
DC hardcore scene as a core
reason why they even existed.

1185
01:10:41,771 --> 01:10:44,173
They rebuilt the entire
DC punk scene,

1186
01:10:44,174 --> 01:10:47,342
from the bands to the audience,
from the records to the fanzines.

1187
01:10:47,343 --> 01:10:48,811
It was an incredible fact and

1188
01:10:48,812 --> 01:10:50,892
everybody that was laughing
then became very serious.

1189
01:11:00,490 --> 01:11:03,193
After the 81 dead Kennedys tour,

1190
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:05,861
I was more impressed with
what was going on in DC than

1191
01:11:05,862 --> 01:11:07,397
anywhere else.

1192
01:11:08,031 --> 01:11:11,401
I think I probably had time to
listen to minor threat's demo by then

1193
01:11:11,668 --> 01:11:15,537
and I think I got a government
issue one and might have gotten

1194
01:11:15,538 --> 01:11:18,907
an soa tape too. I'm not sure.

1195
01:11:18,908 --> 01:11:22,478
There was none of the New York
pretentiousness

1196
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,647
and wanting to be liked by idiot
critics or package

1197
01:11:25,648 --> 01:11:28,617
yourself in some way that will
make you seem unique

1198
01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:30,453
and brilliant and all that.

1199
01:11:31,321 --> 01:11:33,455
Even as feisty as
the people were,

1200
01:11:33,456 --> 01:11:36,258
there was a warmth and love and

1201
01:11:36,259 --> 01:11:41,497
just like a spirit of this is positive
energy, we really like what we're doing.

1202
01:11:47,337 --> 01:11:49,205
- Did you ever see minor threat?
- No.

1203
01:11:49,606 --> 01:11:50,606
Where you been?

1204
01:11:51,775 --> 01:11:55,545
Steve albini had this kind of
end piece in some magazine

1205
01:11:55,879 --> 01:11:58,447
and he wrote the 10 greatest
guitar players of all time,

1206
01:11:58,448 --> 01:11:59,949
and he put me in it.

1207
01:12:00,183 --> 01:12:02,952
But I started to think
“what is going on here?“

1208
01:12:03,686 --> 01:12:06,523
hr said to me:
“You asked a question

1209
01:12:07,157 --> 01:12:09,591
and people want you to answer it
now, people want to know more.“

1210
01:12:09,592 --> 01:12:12,996
like you started this straight edge
thing, like they want to know more.

1211
01:12:14,097 --> 01:12:18,268
And Ian says to me, you know, “would
you maybe consider coming back to DC?“

1212
01:12:19,435 --> 01:12:24,140
and it took me 20 seconds to go
“0k!“

1213
01:12:27,076 --> 01:12:31,014
after the hiatus, we seriously
went out to tour the country.

1214
01:12:32,048 --> 01:12:34,383
That's when I figured out that
this was something

1215
01:12:34,384 --> 01:12:37,220
a little bigger
than just a local band.

1216
01:13:08,751 --> 01:13:12,255
The words “straight edge“,
where did you get that from?

1217
01:13:12,722 --> 01:13:13,722
When the teen idles broke up,

1218
01:13:13,723 --> 01:13:15,557
Jeff and I drove all around

1219
01:13:15,558 --> 01:13:16,625
and we got into this thing
where we were

1220
01:13:16,626 --> 01:13:18,061
always like “straight“ whatever.

1221
01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:21,129
We were going to use it as a name
of a band but since we went with

1222
01:13:21,130 --> 01:13:24,534
minor threat we just said
we'll just use that for a song.

1223
01:13:24,934 --> 01:13:27,669
You know the idea was you know,
obviously, straight edge,

1224
01:13:27,670 --> 01:13:30,907
like you have the edge over
someone else if you're sober.

1225
01:13:31,674 --> 01:13:35,344
Ian had started this movement
called the “straight edge movement“

1226
01:13:35,345 --> 01:13:40,316
and he was a clean shaven,
Coca-Cola drinking type dude.

1227
01:13:41,284 --> 01:13:44,920
He ain't nothing like he used to
be, let me tell you,

1228
01:13:44,921 --> 01:13:46,889
he had a mob that used
to follow him around

1229
01:13:46,890 --> 01:13:47,991
and his brother here

1230
01:13:48,358 --> 01:13:50,092
would be the only one who
would talk with me

1231
01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:53,495
cause I couldn't talk to him
after about 3 or 4 months,

1232
01:13:53,496 --> 01:13:54,397
he became an overnight...

1233
01:13:54,398 --> 01:13:55,665
It's just me and him.

1234
01:13:56,633 --> 01:13:57,633
Professional.

1235
01:14:03,373 --> 01:14:06,809
I remember when seventeen
magazine did a thing about straight edge.

1236
01:14:10,813 --> 01:14:12,481
But straight edge
really was just

1237
01:14:12,482 --> 01:14:16,019
the kind of the glossy magazine
cover of the whole thing.

1238
01:14:19,555 --> 01:14:21,924
It was really just about
doing it for yourself

1239
01:14:21,925 --> 01:14:23,885
and taking responsibility for
what you were doing.

1240
01:14:28,798 --> 01:14:31,600
Straight edge, so many people
have just said like:

1241
01:14:31,601 --> 01:14:33,469
God, “that song, more than any
of the others,

1242
01:14:33,903 --> 01:14:37,640
people always said that really gave me an idea
of how I want to live“ and stuff like that.

1243
01:14:39,742 --> 01:14:44,246
All these kids considered like
the epitome of straight edge,

1244
01:14:44,247 --> 01:14:48,884
they hung out with all these other
kids who weren't exactly straight edge.

1245
01:14:48,885 --> 01:14:54,657
I mean I drank back then, it wasn't
like a big huge issue or division.

1246
01:14:55,191 --> 01:14:57,659
Well that makes sense, you don't
need to mess yourself up

1247
01:14:57,660 --> 01:15:01,264
so this is probably a
decent pursuit.

1248
01:15:01,564 --> 01:15:02,798
Cause you'd go to other towns
that had kinda

1249
01:15:02,799 --> 01:15:05,068
picked up on the DC straight
edge thing

1250
01:15:05,668 --> 01:15:08,108
and they would give you shit as
soon as you pulled out a beer.

1251
01:15:08,604 --> 01:15:11,641
Ian was just speaking from
really his own heart

1252
01:15:12,175 --> 01:15:15,912
and it became bigger
than himself,

1253
01:15:17,046 --> 01:15:18,814
and it wasn't his intention.

1254
01:15:20,116 --> 01:15:21,396
J” I've got the straight edge j”

1255
01:15:22,352 --> 01:15:25,954
one of the things about our
culture is that people were dflven

1256
01:15:25,955 --> 01:15:28,190
in this notion that a form of
rebellion

1257
01:15:28,191 --> 01:15:29,958
was in self-destruction.

1258
01:15:29,959 --> 01:15:34,096
But it seems really clear to me
that that is not rebellious,

1259
01:15:34,097 --> 01:15:35,331
it's not revolutionary,

1260
01:15:35,765 --> 01:15:39,035
because it doesn't do anything to the
state except get rid of their problems.

1261
01:15:41,704 --> 01:15:43,905
One of the things
that became evident

1262
01:15:43,906 --> 01:15:45,975
was that Ian was on a mission.

1263
01:15:46,342 --> 01:15:48,182
Why don't you people get
a hold of your shit...

1264
01:15:48,911 --> 01:15:53,249
And I didn't feel like I had any
real choice in the matter.

1265
01:15:54,617 --> 01:15:57,152
That's only because
I am most outspoken.

1266
01:15:57,153 --> 01:15:58,587
I think everyone has something
to say but I'm

1267
01:15:58,588 --> 01:15:59,948
the only one who
will say anything.

1268
01:16:00,390 --> 01:16:02,124
And a lot of people don't have
anything to say except

1269
01:16:02,125 --> 01:16:04,761
“fuck society“ and bullshit like
that.

1270
01:16:05,228 --> 01:16:06,762
And I once got into
a big argument

1271
01:16:06,763 --> 01:16:08,430
with Jeff Nelson because

1272
01:16:08,431 --> 01:16:11,400
Jeff told me “it wasn't fun any
more to be in the band“

1273
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:15,605
And I said to him,
“it's not supposed to be fun...

1274
01:16:16,973 --> 01:16:17,974
I mean we can have fun

1275
01:16:18,274 --> 01:16:19,941
but this is supposed
to be about making something,

1276
01:16:19,942 --> 01:16:21,177
we're doing something here.“

1277
01:16:23,713 --> 01:16:26,249
We had a song called
“out of step with the world“

1278
01:16:26,482 --> 01:16:30,585
and I brought up to Ian that I
wanted to add an “I" so it would say,

1279
01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:33,188
“I don't smoke, I don't drink, I
don't fuck“

1280
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:36,092
which would have had a much
different sound to it,

1281
01:16:37,226 --> 01:16:39,027
in other words, not a directive.

1282
01:16:39,028 --> 01:16:40,328
Ian was not happy with
that at all

1283
01:16:40,329 --> 01:16:43,166
and he was so mad he kicked a
hole in the door.

1284
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:45,100
The hole is still here
to this day.

1285
01:16:45,101 --> 01:16:47,503
So we would definitely butt
heads over stuff like that.

1286
01:17:09,492 --> 01:17:13,162
This is the drawing I did for
minor threat's “out of step“ ep.

1287
01:17:13,863 --> 01:17:16,865
Someone just emailed me
this amazing tattoo

1288
01:17:16,866 --> 01:17:20,569
somebody got of this and this
on their feet.

1289
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:24,507
Somebody did this and it's totally
about minor threat for their child.

1290
01:17:24,907 --> 01:17:26,976
It's the iPhone cover.

1291
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:30,813
This is Chuck d and flava flav
of public enemy.

1292
01:17:31,147 --> 01:17:34,049
Ian was teasing me because one
of the first tattoos I ever got were

1293
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:35,985
the black flag bars and
out of step.

1294
01:17:36,219 --> 01:17:38,887
And out of step didn't have anything
to do with the straight edge stuff,

1295
01:17:38,888 --> 01:17:42,257
it had to do with, when I'm 98
years old,

1296
01:17:42,258 --> 01:17:44,894
I'm still going to be out of
step with everybody else.

1297
01:17:53,636 --> 01:17:54,970
J” I can't keep up,
I can't keep up j”

1298
01:17:54,971 --> 01:17:55,971
j” I can't keep up j”

1299
01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:58,774
j” out of step with the world j”

1300
01:17:59,942 --> 01:18:01,677
bands looked at it and said
well ok:

1301
01:18:02,111 --> 01:18:05,581
“What can we do that's different
than minor threat

1302
01:18:05,982 --> 01:18:07,150
or bad brains?“

1303
01:18:11,921 --> 01:18:14,157
and of course it can't go on
forever.

1304
01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:15,970
J” I wake up and I
see you everyday j”

1305
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:18,594
J” never hear a thing I say j”

1306
01:18:19,228 --> 01:18:21,197
j” I come to you with
all my problems j”

1307
01:18:21,731 --> 01:18:23,833
j” you don't care,
you won't be bothered j”

1308
01:18:24,133 --> 01:18:26,035
j” who are you and
why am I here? J”

1309
01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:28,004
j” who are you and
why am I here? J”

1310
01:18:46,889 --> 01:18:49,824
In DC, void
represented a high water Mark

1311
01:18:49,825 --> 01:18:53,029
of cacophony, chaos, rage
and anger.

1312
01:18:55,264 --> 01:18:57,933
At some point you
just can't outdo it,

1313
01:18:57,934 --> 01:19:01,503
when the movement is too
solid so that you

1314
01:19:01,504 --> 01:19:03,506
can't do any more in it

1315
01:19:04,407 --> 01:19:05,407
and that's what happened.

1316
01:19:17,486 --> 01:19:21,556
The DC scene was nothing like
when I was a youngster

1317
01:19:21,557 --> 01:19:22,825
going to madams organ.

1318
01:19:24,227 --> 01:19:27,128
All of a sudden the scene goes
from like 40 people to

1319
01:19:27,129 --> 01:19:29,332
400, to 800 to 1200

1320
01:19:29,999 --> 01:19:31,834
because here comes the suburbs.

1321
01:19:32,401 --> 01:19:35,438
And with it comes cool bands,
cool people,

1322
01:19:36,706 --> 01:19:39,642
in comes the jock,
and maybe he becomes a fan

1323
01:19:40,209 --> 01:19:43,278
but all of a sudden, you're like
“are you really into this or

1324
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:46,382
are you showing up because this
was covered in the Washington post?“

1325
01:19:54,223 --> 01:19:56,491
Then there were these TV shows

1326
01:19:56,492 --> 01:19:59,394
that interjected these
punk rock tragedies.

1327
01:19:59,395 --> 01:20:02,197
The worst
portrayals of punk rock ever.

1328
01:20:02,198 --> 01:20:04,065
And people
watched those shows and

1329
01:20:04,066 --> 01:20:06,202
and they absorbed that as fact.

1330
01:20:10,139 --> 01:20:11,940
Then suddenly at the gigs we

1331
01:20:11,941 --> 01:20:14,376
had people who were like punks

1332
01:20:14,377 --> 01:20:18,179
behaving like what the television
had purported punks to act like.

1333
01:20:19,715 --> 01:20:21,450
J” I wanna see you choke j”

1334
01:20:22,652 --> 01:20:25,187
There was anger
with earlier punk rock too

1335
01:20:25,621 --> 01:20:27,456
but it also was just really fun.

1336
01:20:28,357 --> 01:20:33,161
And to me hardcore attracted
this huge contingent of varying

1337
01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:37,699
types of angry people, people
who had these very negafive

1338
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:40,468
views of minorities and of women

1339
01:20:40,469 --> 01:20:42,505
and you got this white
supremacist thing.

1340
01:20:49,578 --> 01:20:51,479
And then I became
totally disinterested because

1341
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:53,515
I was not interested in being
involved in something

1342
01:20:53,516 --> 01:20:54,556
that was actually violent.

1343
01:20:56,619 --> 01:20:58,386
People were like
“this is weird.“

1344
01:20:58,387 --> 01:21:00,867
there was so much violence,
there were all these skinhead kids,

1345
01:21:01,557 --> 01:21:02,692
very macho.

1346
01:21:05,227 --> 01:21:09,065
I think we felt like time to
recreate, let's do something else.

1347
01:21:15,805 --> 01:21:18,940
There always are new
people coming into the scene,

1348
01:21:18,941 --> 01:21:20,943
as it should be and that's
not going to stop.

1349
01:21:21,610 --> 01:21:23,178
And I don't think it's fair
to say that when

1350
01:21:23,179 --> 01:21:25,213
minor threat broke up,
things fell apart

1351
01:21:25,214 --> 01:21:30,385
but by 1983 there were a lot of
people in this DC scene that were

1352
01:21:30,386 --> 01:21:31,721
really ready for something else.

1353
01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:36,424
So this is a really fun poster.

1354
01:21:36,425 --> 01:21:38,994
This turned out to be minor
threat's last show.

1355
01:21:39,428 --> 01:21:42,164
And what's really great is that
they spelled our name wrong.

1356
01:21:49,972 --> 01:21:52,741
It's a defining
thing about our scene,

1357
01:21:52,742 --> 01:21:54,642
that bands just break up

1358
01:21:54,643 --> 01:21:57,146
and do it again in some
other form.

1359
01:21:57,613 --> 01:22:01,751
Accepting and embracing the idea
of destroying to create again,

1360
01:22:02,084 --> 01:22:03,719
people felt like
they should do that.

1361
01:22:03,986 --> 01:22:08,123
They were ok with the idea of
dismantling it and making something new.

1362
01:22:08,124 --> 01:22:12,027
And when you do that you feel like
you are really making quality work.

1363
01:22:13,162 --> 01:22:14,430
J” slow down j”

1364
01:22:15,297 --> 01:22:16,532
j” slow down j”

1365
01:22:19,235 --> 01:22:20,236
j” down j”

1366
01:22:25,908 --> 01:22:27,575
I've thought of that so many
times,

1367
01:22:27,576 --> 01:22:30,645
wondering why more people don't
keep on keeping on until they've

1368
01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:34,282
run out of things that won't
work for then they're bound to find

1369
01:22:34,283 --> 01:22:35,283
the thing that will work.

1370
01:22:47,163 --> 01:22:50,031
These bands that
were here were so mighty,

1371
01:22:50,032 --> 01:22:51,366
there was such an amazing
energy.

1372
01:22:51,367 --> 01:22:52,447
There was so much going on.

1373
01:22:52,935 --> 01:22:53,935
What's next?

1374
01:22:54,003 --> 01:22:55,443
There seemed to be
this little pause.

1375
01:22:59,241 --> 01:23:02,043
I remember about
two dozen people in my living room

1376
01:23:02,044 --> 01:23:05,079
talking about the nature of
music and hardcore and

1377
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,217
talking about what we
should do next, collectively.

1378
01:23:13,322 --> 01:23:16,257
I remember people becoming
more socially aware,

1379
01:23:16,258 --> 01:23:18,661
politics, and animal rights,
things like that.

1380
01:23:20,396 --> 01:23:23,866
I don't think I would hang out
with people that don't understand

1381
01:23:24,099 --> 01:23:26,469
the social implications of punk
rock.

1382
01:23:27,036 --> 01:23:28,137
Do you know what I mean?

1383
01:23:28,604 --> 01:23:30,205
You start out with straight edge

1384
01:23:30,206 --> 01:23:31,940
and then the next natural step
is vegetarianism.

1385
01:23:31,941 --> 01:23:34,209
You start off with a clean head
and everything else falls into place.

1386
01:23:34,210 --> 01:23:35,330
Everything else makes sense.

1387
01:23:36,979 --> 01:23:38,980
And that's always
been my version

1388
01:23:38,981 --> 01:23:40,415
of the DC punk rocker:

1389
01:23:40,416 --> 01:23:44,853
Is like, vegan, smart, voting,
at the protest march.

1390
01:23:44,854 --> 01:23:47,556
And the DC scene always
had that.

1391
01:24:01,270 --> 01:24:04,472
Something cool
persisted which didn't persist in a lot

1392
01:24:04,473 --> 01:24:05,473
of other places.

1393
01:24:06,275 --> 01:24:08,276
DC kind of dodged a bullet

1394
01:24:08,277 --> 01:24:11,247
and punk transformed
into something affirmative.

1395
01:24:11,647 --> 01:24:13,727
I mean look at some of the
bands that come out of it.

1396
01:24:15,584 --> 01:24:16,785
Look at rites of spring,

1397
01:24:17,286 --> 01:24:19,455
that's one of the best bands
that's ever existed.

1398
01:24:24,193 --> 01:24:25,193
Pma...

1399
01:24:25,394 --> 01:24:27,997
I think that's what the thing
really was.

1400
01:24:30,733 --> 01:24:33,035
It's people trying to
rouse each other,

1401
01:24:35,404 --> 01:24:39,040
saying like “whatever you
were doing, do that some more.

1402
01:24:39,041 --> 01:24:40,743
Get back into it. Do it harder.

1403
01:24:41,443 --> 01:24:42,878
Whatever way is next.

1404
01:24:44,113 --> 01:24:45,481
Don't stop now.“

1405
01:24:47,716 --> 01:24:49,184
j” I want to talk, j”

1406
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,722
J” like I'm talking to myself j”

1407
01:24:54,957 --> 01:24:56,125
j” I wanna reach j”

1408
01:24:58,894 --> 01:25:01,564
j” yeah I could be someone else j”

1409
01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:03,098
j” and when a touch j”

1410
01:25:06,168 --> 01:25:08,671
j” when a touch
becomes too much j”

1411
01:25:09,805 --> 01:25:11,106
j” you know j”

1412
01:25:13,609 --> 01:25:15,878
j” I could be someone else j”

1413
01:25:17,246 --> 01:25:18,647
j " and I... j"

1414
01:25:20,916 --> 01:25:25,654
j” yeah I know enough not
to hope to know j”

1415
01:25:28,223 --> 01:25:29,925
j” but it's so hard j”

1416
01:25:32,094 --> 01:25:34,530
j” cause the night can
fill my eyes j”

1417
01:25:36,699 --> 01:25:38,901
j” and you give me some
distance j”

1418
01:25:39,602 --> 01:25:42,271
j” I can get so hard to find j”

1419
01:25:43,973 --> 01:25:49,645
j” and when a word, when
a word cuts in too close j”

1420
01:25:52,114 --> 01:25:56,785
j” I can always get so hard
to find j”

1421
01:25:57,753 --> 01:25:58,988
j”andlj”

1422
01:26:01,724 --> 01:26:06,862
j” I know enough
not to hope to know j”

1423
01:26:09,131 --> 01:26:15,938
ij'j'

1424
01:26:53,342 --> 01:26:54,677
J” so clear j”

1425
01:26:56,745 --> 01:26:59,448
j” to have not been
clear at all j”

1426
01:27:00,182 --> 01:27:01,483
j”igotsofarj”

1427
01:27:03,786 --> 01:27:06,288
j” to have come against a wall j”

1428
01:27:08,157 --> 01:27:11,059
j” the first, the final,
no middle j”

1429
01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:13,562
j” well it seems so real to me j”

1430
01:27:15,164 --> 01:27:17,332
j” to each his own illusions j”

1431
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,636
j” if I could only believe j”

1432
01:27:25,074 --> 01:27:26,674
j” we'll do it in a cabin j”

1433
01:27:26,675 --> 01:27:28,276
j” we'll do it in a car j”

1434
01:27:28,277 --> 01:27:29,310
j” we'll do it on the freeway j”

1435
01:27:29,311 --> 01:27:30,711
j” cause you're taking
me too far j”

1436
01:27:30,913 --> 01:27:32,714
j” knocking down guardrails j”

1437
01:27:32,715 --> 01:27:33,816
j” the speed of sound j”

1438
01:27:34,116 --> 01:27:35,616
j” knocking down guardrails j”

1439
01:27:35,617 --> 01:27:38,587
j” pow pow j”