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(radio chatter)


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(distant helicopter blades
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ROGER HARRIS:
Soldiers adapt.


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You go over there
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    and then you adapt.
   

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    You adapt to the atrocities
    of war.
   

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    You adapt to...
   

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    ...killing and dying, you know.
   

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    After a while
    it doesn't bother you.
   

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    Well, I should say it doesn't
bother you as much.
   

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    When I first arrived in Vietnam,
    there were some...
   

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    (sighs)
   

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    there were some interesting
    things that happened
   

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    and I questioned
    some of the Marines.
   

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    I was made to realize that this
is war, and this is what we do.


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And that stuck in my head.


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This is war.


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This is what we do.


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And after a while
you embrace that.


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This is war.


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This is what we do.


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("Are You Experienced?" by the
Jimi Hendrix Experience playing)


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This evening I came here
to speak to you about Vietnam.


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There is progress
in the war itself,


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rather dramatic progress
considering the situation


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that actually prevailed when we
sent our troops there in 1965.


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The grip of the Viet Cong
on the people is being broken.


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HENDRIX:
â™ª If you can just
get your mind together â™ª


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(rapid gunfire)


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â™ª Then come across to me


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NARRATOR:
In the summer of 1967,


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the men overseeing the war
in Vietnam


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remained outwardly optimistic--


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whatever private doubts
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HENDRIX:
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â™ª Are you experienced?
   

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    (airplane flying overhead)
   

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    (explosion)
   

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    â™ª Have you ever been
    experienced? â™ª
   

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    NARRATOR:
    The American military command
    in Vietnam, MACV,
   

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    claimed to have killed
    200,000 enemy troops
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    and had told the president
   

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    that the all-important
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    the moment when U.S. and ARVN
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    more Viet Cong
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    than the enemy could replace--
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in almost all of South Vietnam.


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But the United States
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nearly 75,000 casualties.


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many officers were much less
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From Saigon, R.W. Apple
of the<i>New York Time</i> s
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their views: "Victory is not
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In fact,
"It may be beyond reach."


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("Are You Experienced?" by the
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(rapid gunfire)


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It was true that the enemy
rarely won a battle


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in the traditional military
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the Americans from the field.


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But it was also true
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seemed to matter.


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Battered enemy units were
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Pacification--
winning the hearts and minds


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of the South Vietnamese people--
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Saigon still controlled
    only a fraction of a country
   

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    roughly the size of Florida,
   

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    and its government remained
   

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    unpopular and riddled
    with corruption.
   

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    President Johnson had been
    forced to raise taxes
   

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    to meet the war's
ever-climbing cost.


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His ambitious social program--
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was in retreat.


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HENDRIX:
â™ª Trumpets and violins
I can hear in the distance â™ª


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NARRATOR:
That summer, racial unrest
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HENDRIX:
â™ª Maybe now
you can't hear them â™ª


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â™ª But you will


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NARRATOR:
The president would have to send
the Army into Detroit


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to end five days of rioting


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that left 43 dead and hundreds
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    Twenty-six more died
    in Newark, New Jersey,
   

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    demonstrating yet again
    how wide a gap
   

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    remained between black
    and white Americans.
   

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    Only a third of the country saw
    any sign of progress in Vietnam,
   

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    and half of the country
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of the president's handling
of the war.


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Meanwhile,
Le Duan and his comrades


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who ran things in Hanoi,
were secretly planning


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a new offensive that they
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what they called the puppet
government in Saigon


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and convince the United States
the war could never be won


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on the battlefield.


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JAMES WILLBANKS:
There's the old apocryphal story
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they went to the basement
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when the mainframe computers
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and they put on the old
punch cards everything


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you could quantify--
numbers of ships,


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numbers of airplanes, numbers of
tanks, numbers of helicopters,


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artillery, machine gun, ammo--
everything you could quantify,


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put it in the hopper and said,
"When will we win in Vietnam?"


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Went away on Friday.


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The thing ground away
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Came back on Monday and there
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and it said, "You won in 1965."


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The only problem
is the enemy gets a vote


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and they weren't
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NARRATOR:
There were nearly half a million
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by the middle of 1967,


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with thousands more on the way.


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Only 20% would ever
be in combat.


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The rest served
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None of them had been taught
very much about the people


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against whom-- and for whom--
they had been asked to fight.


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    Troops called the Vietnamese
    "gooks"--
   

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    a term first used
    by U.S. Marines to refer
   

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    to the people of Haiti
    and Nicaragua
   

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    during the American occupation
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    and then applied
    to the Asian enemy in Korea.
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Or "slopes," an epithet for the
Japanese during the Pacific War,


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or "dinks," an Australian term
for the Chinese.


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And so in basic training
they taught you


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that you were going to be
fighting gooks.


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It was part of the song
    that you sang
   

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    as you jogged down the road.
   

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    As you went through
    bayonet training,
   

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    you were not talking about
    Vietnamese.
   

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    You were always
    talking about gooks.
   

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    Vietnamese might be people,
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are close to being animals.


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NARRATOR:
GIs called Vietnamese homes
"hooches"--


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a corruption of the Japanese
word for dwelling places


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that they had learned during
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in the Second World War.
   

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    Soldiers referred to older
    Vietnamese women as "mama sans,"
   

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    the term they used for women
    who ran whorehouses
   

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    in occupied Japan.
   

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    The Viet Cong
    and the North Vietnamese
   

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    called GIs "invaders,"
"imperialists,"


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and (speaking Vietnamese)--


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"American bandits."


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South Vietnam had been divided
into four tactical zones.


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By the summer of 1967,
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in all four of them.


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In IV Corps,
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patrolled the rivers
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of the densely populated
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searching for the enemy.


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In III Corps, the Army continued
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of the Iron Triangle,
the Viet Cong sanctuary


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near Saigon that was supposed
to have been permanently denied


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to the enemy by big American
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In II Corps,
a series of bloody battles


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in the Central Highlands
    around Dak To temporarily drove
   

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    North Vietnamese troops
    back into Cambodia and Laos.
   

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    But some of the most intense
    combat would take place
   

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    in I Corps-- made up of the
    five northernmost provinces
   

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    of South Vietnam--
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the brunt of the fighting.


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More than two-and-a-half million
people lived there,


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all but 2% of them within


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the narrow rice-growing
river valleys


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along the South China Sea.


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    The Marines wanted to eradicate
    the Viet Cong there,
   

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    and provide security
    to the people,
   

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    village by village,
    hamlet by hamlet.
   

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    The vast, largely empty
    highlands that stretched
   

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    westward all the way to Laos,
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could be left to the enemy.


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"The real war is among
the people,"


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said Marine lieutenant
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"and not among the mountains."


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But General William
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    the American commander,
    feared that thousands
   

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    of North Vietnamese Army
    regulars-- the NVA--
   

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    were planning to seize
    the two northernmost provinces.
   

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    Finding and destroying them
    remained his first goal.
   

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    (helicopter blades beating)
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He insisted
the Third Marine Division


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move north to meet
that challenge,


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establish a base at Dong Ha and
man strongpoints at Gio Linh,


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Con Thien, Cam Lo, Camp Carroll,
the Rockpile and Khe Sanh.


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Khe Sanh overlooked Route 9,
    the East-West highway
   

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    that Westmoreland hoped would
    one day carry American troops
   

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    across the border into Laos,
    where North Vietnamese men
   

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    and supplies were streaming
    south on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
   

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    But the thousands of Marines
monitoring the border
   

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    would find themselves within
    range of highly accurate
   

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    North Vietnamese artillery
    and rocket launchers
   

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    hidden within the DMZ.
   

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    ("I'm a Man" by The Spencer
    Davis Group playing"
   

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    (explosions)
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    JOHN LAURENCE:
    Tell me...
   

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    You came here at full strength?
   

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    I had 13 men when I came.
   

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    And it's four days later now
    and how many are still here?
   

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    Six.
   

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    ("I'm a Man" continues)
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The rifles have been jamming,
the mud's been...


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it slowed everything down.


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And the artillery comes in
everywhere.


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And, ah, it just gets
pretty futile


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and frustrating sometimes.


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("I'm a Man" continues)


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I can't say that I'm scared
stiff, but I'm scared.


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I mean, after a while,
you know it's going to come.


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And you can't do nothing
about it.


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And you just look to God.


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SPENCER DAVIS GROUP:
â™ª Well, my pad is very messy


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â™ª And there's whiskers
on my chin. â™ª


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NARRATOR:
Private First Class
John Musgrave


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of Fairmount, Missouri,
who had volunteered to join


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the 3rd Marine Division,


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
    was sent to the battle-scarred
    countryside around Con Thien,
   

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    a few kilometers south
    of the DMZ.
   

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    (explosion)
   

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    JOHN MUSGRAVE:
    For the Marines in northern I
    Corps in the 3rd Marine Division
   

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    in the spring and summer of 1967
we called the DMZ
   

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    the "Dead Marine Zone."
   

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    NARRATOR:
    Musgrave's 1st Battalion
    had already suffered
   

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    so many casualties in a series
    of bloody sweeps
   

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    that it was believed to be
    a hard-luck outfit.
   

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    They were called
the "Walking Dead."


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SPENCER DAVIS GROUP:
â™ª I'm a man, yes I am,
and I can't... â™ª


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MUSGRAVE:
I joined the Marine Corps
to be in the varsity.


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And I felt like I wasn't varsity
unless I was up north


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fighting the NVA.


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
    I have never regretted
    that decision.
   

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    There were times when
    we were under artillery fire,
   

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    where I thought, you know,
    "What-what were you thinking?"
   

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    Here it is in a nutshell:
    if I lived to be 63 years old,
   

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    I didn't want to look
in the mirror some morning


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and have a guy looking back at
me that hadn't done everything


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for what he believed,


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that let somebody else
do the harder part.


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Every major contact I remember
with the NVA was initiated


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by them ambushing us.


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They wouldn't hit us
unless they outnumbered us.


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And we were fighting
in their yard.


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They knew the ground; we didn't.


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They were just really good.


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LE VAN CHO:


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
    NARRATOR:
    The North Vietnamese
    carried Soviet-made,
   

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    seemingly indestructible AK-47s.
   

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    The Marines had to fight
    with newly issued M-16 rifles
   

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    that had for a time
    a potentially fatal design flaw:
   

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    they needed constant cleaning
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and often jammed
in the middle of firefights.


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MUSGRAVE:
Their rifles worked;
ours didn't.


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The M-16 was a piece of shit.


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You can't throw
your bullets at the enemy


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and have them be effective.


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
And that rifle
malfunctioned on us repeatedly.


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(gunfire)


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HO HUU LAN:


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My hatred for them
was pure.


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Pure.


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I hated them so much.


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And I was so scared of them.


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Boy, I was terrified of them.


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And the scareder I got,
the more I hated them.


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MUSGRAVE:
I only killed one human being
in Vietnam.


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And that was the first man
that I ever killed.


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And I was sick with guilt
    about killing that guy
   

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    and thinking I'm going
    to have to do this
   

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    for the next 13 months.
   

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    I'm-I'm going to go crazy.
   

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    And I saw a Marine step
    on a bouncing Betty mine,
   

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    and that's when I made
my deal with the devil


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and that I said, "I will never
kill another human being


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"as long as I'm in Vietnam.


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"However, I will waste
as many gooks as I can find.


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"I'll wax as many dinks
as I can find.


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"I'll smoke as many zips
    as I can find.
   

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    But I ain't gonna kill anybody,"
    you know?
   

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    Turn the subject into an object.
   

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    It's Racism 101.
   

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    It turns out to be
    a very necessary tool
   

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    when you have children
fighting your wars,


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for them to stay sane
doing their work.


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NARRATOR:
On one early patrol,
Musgrave watched


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an American fighter swoop down
to drop napalm on enemy troops


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hidden behind a hedgerow.


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He could hear their AK-47s
firing at the plane


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until the instant
they were engulfed in flames.


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"If the enemy is willing to die
like that," he thought,


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"this is going to be
one very long war."


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MUSGRAVE:
They knew if they would pop
the ambush close


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
and then get amongst you,


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we couldn't or would hesitate
to call in air on ourselves.


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So that... firefights
like that we called brawls.


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They were very intimate.


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And they were very deadly.


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And they were
absolutely terrifying.


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NARRATOR:
The Marines were spread too thin
to hold any of the territory


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they fought so hard to take.


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Again and again, they were sent
out from one stronghold


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or another along the DMZ,
looking for enemy soldiers.


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
MUSGRAVE:
The disillusionment for me began
when I was going back


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to fight at places
we'd already fought before.


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We had fought, captured,
and then left


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and the NVA came right back.


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You don't like getting wounded


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
    in places you've already
    been before.
   

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    War is a real estate
    business.
   

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    We're supposed to take
    real estate away from the enemy
   

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    and then deny the enemy access
    to that real estate.
   

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    NARRATOR:
    On the morning of July 2, 1967,
the 1st Battalion launched


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yet another sweep of the area
northeast of Con Thien.


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When they reached a crossroads
called "The Marketplace,"


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barely a mile and quarter from
their base, they were ambushed.


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One company
was virtually annihilated.


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
John Musgrave's company
rushed to rescue the survivors,


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only to be pinned down there
as well.


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It was one of the worst days the
Marine Corps endured in Vietnam:


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53 dead and 190 wounded were
carried off the battlefield.


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Thirty-four more dead
    had to be left behind,
   

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    and when Marines fought
    their way back two days later
   

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    to retrieve their bodies,
    they found that a number
   

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    had died because their M-16s had
    jammed as the enemy closed in.
   

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    Many had been executed,
    shot in the face
</font>

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or back of the head
at close range.


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Some bodies had been
booby-trapped,


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others mutilated.


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MUSGRAVE:
Marine amphibious force
headquarters


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was so desperate to get
North Vietnamese prisoners,


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
    that they offered us
    three day in-country RandR
   

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    if we'd bring a prisoner in.
   

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    Yeah, good luck.
   

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    You know?
   

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    Don't you know who...
    what we're doing up here?
   

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    Do you know who we're fighting?
</font>

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    I want to make this clear,
    we did not torture prisoners
   

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    and we did not mutilate them.
   

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    But to be a prisoner you had to
    make it to the rear, you know.
   

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    If he was with...
    fell into our hands
   

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    he was just one sorry fucker.
</font>

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    I don't know how to explain it
    that it would make sense.
   

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    ("Green Onions" by
    Booker T. and the M.G.s playing)
   

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    HARRIS:
    Roxbury, where I grew up,
   

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    was the African-American
    neighborhood,
   

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    and South Boston was
the Irish-Catholic bastion.


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You know,
there was a lot of hate.


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South Boston folks hated us,
we hated them.


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And ironically, um...


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(sighs)


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You know, you end up in a war.


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And the Vietnamese didn't care


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whether you were from
Roxbury or South Boston.


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They saw you as American.


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And they wanted to kill you
because you're American.


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NARRATOR:
Private Roger Harris had joined
the Marines in part, he said,


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
because he wanted to be
"a gladiator,"


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a killer of his country's
enemies.


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On July 28, two weeks after


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John Musgrave's badly mangled
1st Battalion was pulled back


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to rest and recover,


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Roger Harris and the 2nd
Battalion moved out of Con Thien


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and into the southern half of
the Demilitarized Zone itself.


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HARRIS:
We wanted the
North Vietnamese Army


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to expose themselves.


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So, basically,
you put the bait out there,


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
and then we could call in
and rain hell on them.


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NARRATOR:
Roger Harris's battalion
advanced into the DMZ


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along a rough cart track
that led to the Ben Hai River.


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But planners had failed to see
that a concrete bridge


400
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over an impassable stream


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was too narrow and too weak
to carry armored vehicles.


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Now the Marines had no choice
but to violate a cardinal rule


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of infantry tactics--


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turn around and try to go back
the way they had come.


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The enemy was waiting.


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(explosion, rapid gunfire)


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Massive ambushes and...


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(gunfire, shouting)


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...and, um, a lot of death.


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And...


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...craziness.


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
NARRATOR:
The Marines were forced to run
a bloody gauntlet of mortars,


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machine gun fire and
rocket-propelled grenades.


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HARRIS:
I had the utmost respect for the
North Vietnamese Army soldiers.


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When you see someone jump out
and confront a tank, you know,


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
with a big 50-caliber
machine gun on it


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and a 90-millimeter cannon
on it,


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and an individual takes on
the tank,


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I think that says something.


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NARRATOR:
Roger Harris's company
held up the rear,


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
hounded by enemy
soldiers on all sides.


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The Marines staggered back
out of the DMZ


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alongside the battered
armored vehicles


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heaped with dead
and wounded Americans.


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The battalion suffered
214 casualties.


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
HARRIS:
Wasn't a good day
for Marines at all.


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A lot of people died.


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People got their legs shot off.


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People got run over by tanks.


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I don't want to talk about it
because it's...


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it's not a good day,
wasn't a good day.


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LO KHAC TAM:


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This is "bau cu",
the day of voting in Vietnam,


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and it's a solemn day
in the village of Hung Thao Phu


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and in other villages
throughout the country.


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And these people have dressed up
    in their Sunday best for it.
   

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    NARRATOR:
    South Vietnamese prime minister
    Nguyen Cao Ky
   

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    had crushed
    his Buddhist opponents in 1966,
   

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    but he had been forced
    by the Americans
   

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    and his political rivals
to make at least tentative moves


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toward democracy--
election of a national assembly,


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a new constitution,
and a promise of elections


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for president
and vice president.


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But when Ky's old adversary
Nguyen Van Thieu declared


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<font color="white" face="monospace">
    he wanted to challenge Ky
    for the top spot,
   

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    things in Saigon had threatened
    to come apart again.
   

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    PHAN QUANG TUE:
    We were watching the rivalry
    between Thieu and Ky.
   

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    And that was a game.
   

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    In Vietnam, the country
was watching like a...
   

450
00:28:12,432 --> 00:28:15,200

    we were watch...
    watching a movie.
   

451
00:28:15,299 --> 00:28:17,500

    And Thieu and Ky
    was watching as to,
   

452
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,400

    not whoever had the support
    of the people,
   

453
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:24,833

    but who had the support of the
    Americans and the White House.
   

454
00:28:24,932 --> 00:28:28,266

    NARRATOR:
Ellsworth Bunker,
the American ambassador,


455
00:28:28,365 --> 00:28:31,833

called both men to his residence
and warned that


456
00:28:31,932 --> 00:28:35,700

the United States would not
tolerate another power struggle:


457
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:39,365

Thieu and Ky needed to meet
with their fellow generals


458
00:28:39,465 --> 00:28:41,965

and decide who would run
for president


459
00:28:42,066 --> 00:28:44,599
<font color="white" face="monospace">
and who would be
his running mate.


460
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,133

Thieu emerged on top.


461
00:28:47,232 --> 00:28:50,200

He was unassuming
and unflappable,


462
00:28:50,299 --> 00:28:52,865

interested largely
in accumulating power


463
00:28:52,965 --> 00:28:56,099

and personal wealth
and was thought unlikely


464
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,932

ever to embarrass Washington.
   

465
00:28:59,032 --> 00:29:02,500

    Ky would be his vice president.
   

466
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:07,566

    Together, they won with only
    35% of the vote.
   

467
00:29:07,665 --> 00:29:10,766

    No one who had called
    for an end to the war
   

468
00:29:10,865 --> 00:29:13,099

    had been allowed to run.
   

469
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,732

    Many Buddhists had boycotted
the election,


470
00:29:15,833 --> 00:29:20,932

and Viet Cong intimidation had
kept many more from the polls.


471
00:29:21,032 --> 00:29:24,000

But the State Department
immediately declared


472
00:29:24,099 --> 00:29:27,000

the election
an important "step forward."


473
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:32,333

Some South Vietnamese
did believe that a measure


474
00:29:32,432 --> 00:29:35,566

of stability had finally
been achieved.


475
00:29:35,665 --> 00:29:38,700

Others were not so sure.


476
00:29:40,266 --> 00:29:44,500

TUE:
In terms of corruption,
yes, they were corrupt.


477
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:49,266

Both Thieu and Ky,
they abused their position.


478
00:29:49,365 --> 00:29:53,232

We pay a very high price
for having leaders


479
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:56,000

like a Ky and Thieu.


480
00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:58,500

And we continue
to pay the price.


481
00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:03,732

("Soul Dressing" by
Booker T. and The M.G.s playing)


482
00:30:03,833 --> 00:30:06,665

EVA JEFFERSON PATERSON:
My father was in
the United States Army.


483
00:30:06,766 --> 00:30:09,400

And then when the Air Force
came about he switched over


484
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:11,833
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    to the Air Force.
   

485
00:30:11,932 --> 00:30:16,732

    I grew up out of the country in
    desegregated settings.
   

486
00:30:16,833 --> 00:30:19,700

    I was usually the only
    little black girl in the class.
   

487
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:21,799

    If you look
    at my class pictures I look
   

488
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:25,500

    like the little chocolate chip
    in the vanilla ice cream.
</font>

489
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:28,500

    I was always a good student.
   

490
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,333

    I remember people saying,
    "Oh, you speak so well."
   

491
00:30:31,432 --> 00:30:33,299

    And the unstated part
    is "for a black girl,"
   

492
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,099

    probably a Negro girl
    or colored girl, at that point.
   

493
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,833

    NARRATOR:
    Eva Jefferson's father
had served a year on airbases


494
00:30:40,932 --> 00:30:44,532

in Vietnam and returned home
convinced the United States


495
00:30:44,633 --> 00:30:47,165

had no business being there.


496
00:30:47,266 --> 00:30:50,865

But when his daughter entered
Northwestern University


497
00:30:50,965 --> 00:30:56,032

in the Chicago suburb
of Evanston in September 1967,


498
00:30:56,133 --> 00:31:00,432
<font color="white" face="monospace">
the war was not uppermost
in students' minds.


499
00:31:00,532 --> 00:31:03,833

PATERSON:
The war was not really an issue.


500
00:31:03,932 --> 00:31:05,766

It's like,
"Well, no, the president has


501
00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:07,833

"our best interests at heart.


502
00:31:07,932 --> 00:31:09,732

"He, of course,
would only prosecute a war


503
00:31:09,833 --> 00:31:11,200
<font color="white" face="monospace">
that made sense."


504
00:31:11,299 --> 00:31:14,066

And I think most of America
felt that way.


505
00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:16,133

("Strange Brew"
by Cream playing)


506
00:31:16,232 --> 00:31:18,266

NARRATOR:
At the University of Nebraska,


507
00:31:18,365 --> 00:31:21,299

Jack Todd also supported
the war.


508
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,766

He had felt so strongly about it
in 1966 that he had signed up


509
00:31:25,865 --> 00:31:28,833

for Marine officer training.


510
00:31:28,932 --> 00:31:31,532

I went into the Marine Corps


511
00:31:31,633 --> 00:31:33,932

thinking this was
all I wanted to do.


512
00:31:34,032 --> 00:31:35,965

I mean my...
my goal was to be commander,


513
00:31:36,066 --> 00:31:37,365

a platoon commander in Vietnam.


514
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:42,232

NARRATOR:
But as time went by
and the war went on,


515
00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:44,700

Todd and many of his
fellow students


516
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,465

began to change their minds.


517
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,232

TODD:
All young people
go through changes.


518
00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:53,165

But we were going through
astronomical changes


519
00:31:53,266 --> 00:31:55,500

at such a rapid rate.


520
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,066

All the music, the culture,
everything that we listened to,


521
00:32:01,165 --> 00:32:03,266

everything that we thought
was transforming


522
00:32:03,365 --> 00:32:07,165

and the core of it all
was Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam.


523
00:32:07,266 --> 00:32:09,099
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    It just kept going
    in the background.
   

524
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,900

    First, it was kind of like
    a background noise
   

525
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,865

    and then it got to be
    the elephant in the room.
   

526
00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:14,932

    And then it was the elephant
    sitting on your head
   

527
00:32:15,032 --> 00:32:16,665

    and we...
    we couldn't escape this.
</font>

528
00:32:16,766 --> 00:32:20,099

NARRATOR:
Todd attended
officer training school


529
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,900

at Camp Upshur
in Quantico, Virginia.


530
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,900

But doubts about the war
followed him there, too.


531
00:32:28,965 --> 00:32:30,732

TODD:
I guess the emotional things
that were happening


532
00:32:30,833 --> 00:32:33,333

on the ground, the photographs
    that we saw, the news images,
   

533
00:32:33,432 --> 00:32:36,400

    and the fact that there
    was no discernible progress,
   

534
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:39,833

    that really started to eat away
    at what we thought.
   

535
00:32:39,932 --> 00:32:43,032

    In the summer of '67,
    I was at Camp Upshur, you know,
   

536
00:32:43,133 --> 00:32:45,532

    wanting to go
    kill Vietnamese people.
</font>

537
00:32:45,633 --> 00:32:50,000

And in October, I was
completely against the war.


538
00:32:53,299 --> 00:32:55,865

JOHNSON:
Westmoreland came in
last night to me...


539
00:32:55,965 --> 00:33:00,000

And he says that he has
concentrated more firepower


540
00:33:00,099 --> 00:33:03,665

and bombing in the last week
on the DMZ


541
00:33:03,766 --> 00:33:07,599

and they've concentrated more
    on us than has ever been
   

542
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:09,799

    concentrated
    in any equivalent period
   

543
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:11,432

    in the history of warfare...
   

544
00:33:11,532 --> 00:33:12,700

    EVERETT DIRKSEN:
    Yeah.
   

545
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:13,965

    JOHNSON:
    ...much more than was ever
    poured on
   

546
00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:15,400

    Berlin or Tokyo,
</font>

547
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:19,900

    and that his only defense
    of the DMZ to stop
   

548
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,900

    this aggression up there
    with the North Vietnamese
   

549
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,665

    trying to come in
    is bombing their gun positions.
   

550
00:33:26,766 --> 00:33:28,232

    DIRKSEN:
    Yeah.
   

551
00:33:28,333 --> 00:33:30,133

    JOHNSON:
    And it would just be suicide
if we stopped the bombing


552
00:33:30,232 --> 00:33:32,465

as these idiots talking about.


553
00:33:32,566 --> 00:33:34,232

When you say stop the bombing


554
00:33:34,333 --> 00:33:37,099

you say,
"Kill more American Marines."


555
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,099

That's all it means.


556
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,465

DIRKSEN:
Yeah.


557
00:33:39,566 --> 00:33:42,799

JOHNSON:
Now if we stop bombing,
without their talking


558
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,665

and without any reciprocity
on their part,


559
00:33:45,766 --> 00:33:47,833

it just means we kill more
Americans, that's all


560
00:33:47,932 --> 00:33:48,865

DIRKSEN:
Yeah.


561
00:33:55,965 --> 00:33:59,532

NARRATOR:
Neither the ongoing bombing
of the North,


562
00:33:59,633 --> 00:34:03,066
<font color="white" face="monospace">
nor the concentrated bombing
around the DMZ,


563
00:34:03,165 --> 00:34:05,099

nor the behind-the-scenes offers


564
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,799

made by President Johnson
to stop it


565
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:10,833

had any discernible effect
on Le Duan


566
00:34:10,932 --> 00:34:14,300

and the other men
who ran North Vietnam.


567
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,365
<font color="white" face="monospace">
But Le Duan,
like Lyndon Johnson,


568
00:34:17,465 --> 00:34:19,432

was in trouble that summer.


569
00:34:19,532 --> 00:34:22,400

The war with the Americans
had produced little more


570
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:24,432

than a bloody stalemate.


571
00:34:24,532 --> 00:34:27,500

Some Viet Cong commanders
in the South


572
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,865

resented Hanoi's insistence
on directing their tactics.


573
00:34:31,965 --> 00:34:36,166

Many North Vietnamese civilians
were weary of the war


574
00:34:36,266 --> 00:34:39,166

and of the bombing
that had disrupted their lives


575
00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:42,800

and destroyed so much
of their infrastructure.


576
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,465

The country's most revered
figures,


577
00:34:45,565 --> 00:34:50,065
<font color="white" face="monospace">
Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap,
were urging patience,


578
00:34:50,166 --> 00:34:54,233

continuing to wage a war of
attrition, they still believed,


579
00:34:54,333 --> 00:34:57,432

would pay off in the end.


580
00:34:57,532 --> 00:35:01,065

Hanoi's Soviet and Chinese
patrons offered


581
00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:04,065

conflicting advice, as well.


582
00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:08,400
<font color="white" face="monospace">
To silence his critics
and break the stalemate,


583
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,965

Le Duan began to devise
and promote


584
00:35:11,065 --> 00:35:14,432

a new and riskier version
of the plan for victory


585
00:35:14,532 --> 00:35:18,000

he had tried in 1964.


586
00:35:18,099 --> 00:35:23,565

He called it the "General
Offensive, General Uprising."


587
00:35:23,666 --> 00:35:27,400
<font color="white" face="monospace">
North Vietnamese and Viet Cong
units would launch


588
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:31,733

scores of coordinated attacks
on South Vietnamese cities


589
00:35:31,833 --> 00:35:34,965

and towns and military bases.


590
00:35:35,065 --> 00:35:37,300

That offensive,
Le Duan believed,


591
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,932

would ignite
a mass civilian uprising.


592
00:35:41,032 --> 00:35:45,500
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    These simultaneous blows
    would destroy the Saigon regime
   

593
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,532

    and leave Washington with
    no choice but to withdraw.
   

594
00:36:40,632 --> 00:36:42,166

    WILLBANKS:
    We talk about our own hubris.
   

595
00:36:42,266 --> 00:36:44,400

    There's some hubris
    on their side as well.
   

596
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,365

    And once they had
convinced themselves


597
00:36:46,465 --> 00:36:49,199

that this was going to be
a great success,


598
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:52,300

it is what some wags have called
drinking your own bathwater.


599
00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:55,032

They decided it's going to be
a victory,


600
00:36:55,132 --> 00:36:57,132

even though there are people
in the South saying,


601
00:36:57,233 --> 00:36:58,666

"Hey, this is not a great idea."


602
00:36:58,766 --> 00:37:02,532

But these people are charged
with subjectivism


603
00:37:02,632 --> 00:37:05,266

and basically are told
to shut up and keep rolling.


604
00:37:05,365 --> 00:37:09,666

NARRATOR:
Le Duan neutralized those
who opposed his plan.


605
00:37:09,766 --> 00:37:12,900

Members of General Giap's staff
were arrested.


606
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,565
<font color="white" face="monospace">
So was Ho Chi Minh's secretary.


607
00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:19,333

HUY DUC:


608
00:37:32,233 --> 00:37:36,932

NARRATOR:
Hundreds of less prominent
figures-- journalists, students,


609
00:37:37,032 --> 00:37:40,266

even highly decorated heroes
of the French War--


610
00:37:40,365 --> 00:37:42,500

were also rounded up.


611
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,432

Many were locked up
    in the old French prison
   

612
00:37:45,532 --> 00:37:49,233

    that the American POWs
    also confined there called
   

613
00:37:49,333 --> 00:37:51,800

    the "Hanoi Hilton."
   

614
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:55,632

    The date eventually chosen
    for the attack would be
   

615
00:37:55,733 --> 00:37:59,300

    January 31, 1968,
   

616
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,432

    the first day of the Vietnamese
Lunar New Year celebration,
   

617
00:38:03,532 --> 00:38:06,400

    known as Tet.
   

618
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:10,465

    Hundreds, then thousands,
    of North Vietnamese regulars
   

619
00:38:10,565 --> 00:38:13,666

    in civilian clothes
    began slipping southward
   

620
00:38:13,766 --> 00:38:18,400

    to join tens of thousands
    of Viet Cong already in place.
   

621
00:38:20,099 --> 00:38:21,532

    HO HUU LAN:
</font>

622
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:46,865

HUY DUC:


623
00:39:29,365 --> 00:39:31,632

NARRATOR:
In preparation
for the coming offensive,


624
00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:34,432

the North Vietnamese hoped
to lure American


625
00:39:34,532 --> 00:39:37,699

and South Vietnamese forces
away from cities


626
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,065

and big military bases.


627
00:39:40,166 --> 00:39:43,599
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    To do that, they would mount
    a series of assaults
   

628
00:39:43,699 --> 00:39:49,233

    on remote outposts near
    Cambodia, Laos, and the DMZ.
   

629
00:39:49,333 --> 00:39:54,300

    These preliminary attacks became
    known as the "Border Battles."
   

630
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,733

    Con Thien would be the first.
   

631
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,199

    In September and October,
</font>

632
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:06,300

    John Musgrave's
    and Roger Harris's outfits
   

633
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,865

    took turns defending Con Thien
   

634
00:40:08,965 --> 00:40:12,865

    as the North Vietnamese
    tightened the noose around them.
   

635
00:40:12,965 --> 00:40:16,599

    The only way in or out
    was by helicopter.
   

636
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,233

    Con Thien in Vietnamese means
"Hill of Angels."


637
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:25,300

(explosion)


638
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,865

MUSGRAVE:
Time at Con Thien
was time in the barrel.


639
00:40:28,965 --> 00:40:33,099

(multiple explosions)


640
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,233

We were the fish,
they had the shotguns,


641
00:40:36,333 --> 00:40:38,400

they stuck in the barrel
and blasted away.


642
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,199
<font color="white" face="monospace">
And they were gonna hit
something every shot.


643
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:44,300

Because Con Thien
was such a small area,


644
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,333

and they pounded it
with that artillery


645
00:40:46,432 --> 00:40:48,432

from North Vietnam,
they couldn't miss.


646
00:40:49,565 --> 00:40:51,400

HO HUU LAN:


647
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,599

I've never been, uh, as afraid.
   

648
00:40:59,699 --> 00:41:01,965

    In fact that's why I'm not
    afraid of anything now.
   

649
00:41:02,065 --> 00:41:04,432

    I mean...
   

650
00:41:04,532 --> 00:41:05,865

    there's nothing you can do.
   

651
00:41:05,965 --> 00:41:09,632

    You just listen to the sounds
    of the rockets coming over.
   

652
00:41:09,733 --> 00:41:13,266

    And you just pray
that they don't land on you.


653
00:41:13,365 --> 00:41:16,000

The big question really seems
to be whether or not


654
00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:19,365

the North Vietnamese
intend to overrun Con Thien.


655
00:41:19,465 --> 00:41:22,300

The Marines have tripled
the number of troops


656
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,733

guarding the outpost,


657
00:41:23,833 --> 00:41:25,333

and they've moved up more
    battalions to be ready
   

658
00:41:25,432 --> 00:41:27,000

    to reinforce.
   

659
00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:29,032

    MUSGRAVE:
    I sat in water.
   

660
00:41:29,132 --> 00:41:30,932

    I slept in water.
   

661
00:41:31,032 --> 00:41:34,699

    I ate in water,
    because our holes were full.
   

662
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,965

    I mean a flooded foxhole
    could drown a wounded man.
</font>

663
00:41:37,065 --> 00:41:39,666

HARRIS:
Spend your day
filling up sand bags,


664
00:41:39,766 --> 00:41:43,432

trying to create barriers that
you just put another layer on,


665
00:41:43,532 --> 00:41:45,199

put another layer on.


666
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:49,766

A lot of mud, blood, uh...


667
00:41:49,865 --> 00:41:51,065

and artillery.


668
00:41:52,233 --> 00:41:53,532

MUSGRAVE:
    It's red clay up there.
   

669
00:41:53,632 --> 00:41:56,266

    And it's real sticky
    and it could just grab onto you
   

670
00:41:56,365 --> 00:41:58,166

    and pull your boots off.
   

671
00:41:58,266 --> 00:41:59,632

    It's hard to run in that stuff.
   

672
00:41:59,733 --> 00:42:01,432

    And running,
    when you're at a place
   

673
00:42:01,532 --> 00:42:03,065

    where they're firing
heavy artillery at you,
   

674
00:42:03,166 --> 00:42:04,365

    running's pretty important.
   

675
00:42:07,132 --> 00:42:09,199

    During the siege
    in the fall of 1967,
   

676
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,432

    we were getting newspaper
    articles in the mail
   

677
00:42:11,532 --> 00:42:14,865

    from our families and we were
    being called the Alamo.
   

678
00:42:14,965 --> 00:42:17,833

    You know, hey,
we knew what the Alamo was.


679
00:42:17,932 --> 00:42:20,000

We knew what happened there.


680
00:42:20,099 --> 00:42:23,699

(explosions)


681
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,699

(men shouting)


682
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,900

(explosions continue)


683
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,900

HARRIS:
Like almost like every hour
there'd be a barrage.


684
00:42:32,965 --> 00:42:36,632

People get blown to bits,
literally blown to bits.


685
00:42:36,733 --> 00:42:40,432

You find a...
a boot with a leg in it, right.


686
00:42:40,532 --> 00:42:42,932

And so is the leg
white or black?


687
00:42:43,032 --> 00:42:44,965

So who... who was
the white Marine that was here?


688
00:42:45,065 --> 00:42:46,132

Who was the black?


689
00:42:46,233 --> 00:42:48,333

So then you try to remember
and you tag it


690
00:42:48,432 --> 00:42:49,800

and put that in the green bag.


691
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,565

And that's what goes back,
you know,


692
00:42:52,666 --> 00:42:54,932

as Marine Lance Corporal
so and so.


693
00:42:55,032 --> 00:42:58,065

And so, but sometimes you're not
even sure because the body


694
00:42:58,166 --> 00:43:00,166

has literally been blown
to bits, and the only thing


695
00:43:00,266 --> 00:43:02,833

that's left is a foot
or a piece of an arm.


696
00:43:02,932 --> 00:43:07,500

MUSGRAVE:
I carried a wallet calendar
from Clifford Forlow Insurance.


697
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,733

He was my dad's insurance agent.


698
00:43:09,833 --> 00:43:13,365

And I marked off
each of the days religiously.


699
00:43:13,465 --> 00:43:18,032
<font color="white" face="monospace">
And then in October,
we went up to Con Thien again.


700
00:43:18,132 --> 00:43:23,000

I just stopped, because
I thought, "This is pointless.


701
00:43:23,099 --> 00:43:25,233

"I'm not getting...
I'm not gonna go home.


702
00:43:25,333 --> 00:43:26,733

"I'm not gonna make it home.


703
00:43:26,833 --> 00:43:28,766

What...
you know, what's the point?"


704
00:43:28,865 --> 00:43:30,766
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    So I just quit marking them off.
   

705
00:43:32,365 --> 00:43:34,565

    HARRIS:
    I had the opportunity
    to call my mother, you know.
   

706
00:43:34,666 --> 00:43:37,233

    And I was telling my mother
    what was happening over there
   

707
00:43:37,333 --> 00:43:39,465

    and I was telling her
    how she shouldn't believe
   

708
00:43:39,565 --> 00:43:43,365

    what she sees in the newspaper
and-and sees on television
   

709
00:43:43,465 --> 00:43:45,666

    because we're losing the war.
   

710
00:43:45,766 --> 00:43:48,266

    And I said, "You'll probably
    never see me again
   

711
00:43:48,365 --> 00:43:51,632

    "because we're the most northern
    outpost that the Marines have,
   

712
00:43:51,733 --> 00:43:53,132

    "you know.
   

713
00:43:53,233 --> 00:43:55,365

    "We could literally could look
right into North Vietnam.


714
00:43:55,465 --> 00:43:57,932

We could see the sparks
when the guns fired on us."


715
00:43:58,032 --> 00:44:01,300

And I said, "And everybody
in my unit is dying, you know.


716
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,266

And I probably won't be
coming back."


717
00:44:03,365 --> 00:44:05,465

And my mother said,
"No, you're coming back."


718
00:44:05,565 --> 00:44:08,400
<font color="white" face="monospace">
She said, "I talk to God
every day and you're special.


719
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,733

You're coming back."


720
00:44:10,833 --> 00:44:13,199

And I said, "Ma, everybody's
mother thinks that


721
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:14,900

"they're special, you know.


722
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,965

I'm putting pieces
of special people in bags."


723
00:44:19,065 --> 00:44:20,865
<font color="white" face="monospace">
And I was feeling
that my mother's in denial.


724
00:44:20,965 --> 00:44:23,233

She just doesn't want to face
the fact that her only son


725
00:44:23,333 --> 00:44:25,266

is gonna die in Vietnam.


726
00:44:25,365 --> 00:44:26,865

And I said,
"Ma, this isn't a joke."


727
00:44:26,965 --> 00:44:28,565

I said, "Everybody's dying
over here, you know.


728
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:29,733
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    Everybody's dying."
   

729
00:44:29,833 --> 00:44:31,365

    And she said,
    "You're not gonna die.
   

730
00:44:31,465 --> 00:44:32,865

    You're not gonna die."
   

731
00:44:32,965 --> 00:44:35,199

    And, uh, the last thing
    she said to me was,
   

732
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:37,365

    "God has a plan for you."
   

733
00:44:37,465 --> 00:44:38,599

    And I said, "Yeah, right."
</font>

734
00:44:38,699 --> 00:44:39,699

And I hung up.


735
00:44:40,632 --> 00:44:42,300

(explosion)


736
00:44:44,565 --> 00:44:47,300

Mr. Stout, during what period
of time were you in Vietnam?


737
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,565

I was in Vietnam
from September of 1966


738
00:44:50,666 --> 00:44:52,865

to September of 1967,
one year.


739
00:44:52,965 --> 00:44:54,333

And with what unit?


740
00:44:54,432 --> 00:44:56,199

With the 1st Brigade
of the 101st Airborne.


741
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:58,666

During the time
that you were in Vietnam,


742
00:44:58,766 --> 00:45:00,800

did you personally witness
any atrocities


743
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:02,833

on the part
of American troops?


744
00:45:02,932 --> 00:45:03,833

Yes, I did.


745
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:08,900
<font color="white" face="monospace">
NARRATOR:
Dennis Stout from
Phoenix, Arizona, had enlisted


746
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,800

in the Army at 20, and
served nine months in combat.


747
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:17,400

Wounded three times,
he became an Army reporter


748
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:23,266

covering the 327th Regiment
of the 101st Airborne.


749
00:45:23,365 --> 00:45:27,699

He would spend most of his time
    with a unique commando platoon
   

750
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,199

    called "Tiger Force"--
   

751
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:32,532

    small, handpicked teams,
    capable of remaining
   

752
00:45:32,632 --> 00:45:35,365

    in the jungle
    for weeks at a time,
   

753
00:45:35,465 --> 00:45:38,099

    fast-moving and deadly,
   

754
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:41,965

    intended to
"out-guerrilla the guerrillas."


755
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:46,000

Tiger Force fought in six
different provinces,


756
00:45:46,099 --> 00:45:49,199

repeatedly suffering
heavy losses.


757
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,632

(rapid gunfire)


758
00:45:52,432 --> 00:45:55,699

RION CAUSEY:
If you've lost your best friend
and you want revenge,


759
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,032

it's the officers who say,
    "No, you can't do that."
   

760
00:45:59,132 --> 00:46:02,233

    And if you do it,
    then there's consequences.
   

761
00:46:02,333 --> 00:46:05,065

    But when the officers, and
    it includes the platoon leader
   

762
00:46:05,166 --> 00:46:08,099

    and the battalion commander,
    are telling you that this is
   

763
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,833

    what you're supposed to do, then
it gets completely out of hand.


764
00:46:12,932 --> 00:46:16,932

NARRATOR:
Some at MACV worried that such
a freewheeling outfit,


765
00:46:17,032 --> 00:46:20,800

operating on its own,
would be difficult to control.


766
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:22,500

(gunfire)


767
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:26,132

But General Westmoreland
and commanders in the field


768
00:46:26,233 --> 00:46:30,766

admired Tiger Force
for its reliable ferocity.


769
00:46:30,865 --> 00:46:34,900

In the summer of 1967,
Tiger Force was sent


770
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,500

to the fertile Song Ve Valley.


771
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,532

The entire population
had already been herded


772
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:45,199

from their homes and crowded
into a refugee camp.


773
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,532

But some had come back
to resume the farming


774
00:46:48,632 --> 00:46:50,900

they had always done.


775
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,565

The valley had officially been
declared a free-fire zone,


776
00:46:55,666 --> 00:46:59,766

and Tiger Force's
officers took that literally.


777
00:46:59,865 --> 00:47:03,733

"There are no friendlies,"
one lieutenant told his men.


778
00:47:03,833 --> 00:47:06,666
<font color="white" face="monospace">
"Shoot anything that moves."


779
00:47:10,166 --> 00:47:13,132

Over a seven-month period,
they killed scores


780
00:47:13,233 --> 00:47:15,733

of unarmed civilians.


781
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:19,333

Among their victims
were two blind brothers;


782
00:47:19,432 --> 00:47:23,932

an elderly Buddhist monk;
women, children, and old people


783
00:47:24,032 --> 00:47:26,199
<font color="white" face="monospace">
hiding in underground shelters;


784
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:29,565

and three farmers
trying to plant rice.


785
00:47:29,666 --> 00:47:34,065

All were reported as
"enemy-- killed in action."


786
00:47:36,932 --> 00:47:40,865

STOUT:
These atrocities were
committed by soldiers


787
00:47:40,965 --> 00:47:43,199

of units I was assigned to
as a reporter


788
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,132
<font color="white" face="monospace">
for the Army newspapers,
such as...


789
00:47:45,233 --> 00:47:48,699

NARRATOR:
Tiger Force was not
the only platoon


790
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,365

Dennis Stout covered
that crossed the line.


791
00:47:52,465 --> 00:47:55,532

One such incident was
the rape and killing


792
00:47:55,632 --> 00:47:57,432

of a Vietnamese girl.


793
00:47:57,532 --> 00:48:02,333
<font color="white" face="monospace">
She was captured,
kept for interrogation.


794
00:48:02,432 --> 00:48:05,300

Over a two-day period,
she was raped, then,


795
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,132

on the morning of the third day,
she was killed.


796
00:48:07,233 --> 00:48:10,632

Was she raped
by more than one person?


797
00:48:10,733 --> 00:48:14,300

Yes, all but the medic
and myself,


798
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,132
<font color="white" face="monospace">
and possibly one other man
from the platoon.


799
00:48:16,233 --> 00:48:17,233

Did you protest?


800
00:48:17,333 --> 00:48:19,400

Did you try in any way
to have them stopped?


801
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,766

Yes. After the rape incident,
I complained


802
00:48:22,865 --> 00:48:27,266

to the battalion sergeant major,
and his response was that


803
00:48:27,365 --> 00:48:29,632
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    this type of thing happens
    in all wars,
   

804
00:48:29,733 --> 00:48:33,032

    and that I was not to mention
    it; it was a common occurrence.
   

805
00:48:33,132 --> 00:48:37,432

    Then later, I went to
    the chaplain, told him about it,
   

806
00:48:37,532 --> 00:48:39,766

    he made
    an investigation himself,
   

807
00:48:39,865 --> 00:48:42,132

    found that this was true,
went with me
   

808
00:48:42,233 --> 00:48:43,666

    to the sergeant major.
   

809
00:48:43,766 --> 00:48:47,833

    The sergeant major then
    said that...
   

810
00:48:47,932 --> 00:48:49,800

    well, he told the chaplain
    to stick to religion,
   

811
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:53,432

    sent him away, and then
    he told me to keep quiet,
   

812
00:48:53,532 --> 00:48:57,199

    that I did not<i>have t</i> o return
from the next operation.


813
00:48:58,733 --> 00:49:01,800

NARRATOR:
Years later, another soldier
came forward


814
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,599

with more allegations
of war crimes,


815
00:49:04,699 --> 00:49:08,166

and an Army investigation
would find probable cause


816
00:49:08,266 --> 00:49:13,166

to try 18 members of Tiger Force
for murder or assault.


817
00:49:14,266 --> 00:49:16,766
<font color="white" face="monospace">
But no charges
were ever brought.


818
00:49:16,865 --> 00:49:20,000

The official records were buried
in the archives.


819
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:23,800

WILLBANKS:
They should have all
gone to jail.


820
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:25,365

They were guilty of murder.


821
00:49:25,465 --> 00:49:26,833

Period.


822
00:49:26,932 --> 00:49:30,365

At the same time,
I felt like that incident,


823
00:49:30,465 --> 00:49:33,632

which I think was an aberration,
not the norm,


824
00:49:33,733 --> 00:49:36,333

tarred all veterans, and
there are hundreds of thousands


825
00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:38,199

of veterans who went
and did their duty,


826
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,733

and as honorable
as they possibly could,


827
00:49:40,833 --> 00:49:42,599
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    and they're tarred
    with the same brush.
   

828
00:49:44,699 --> 00:49:47,965

    KARL MARLANTES:
    One of the things that I learned
    in the war is that
   

829
00:49:48,065 --> 00:49:52,699

    we're not the top species on
    the planet because we're nice.
   

830
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,965

    We are a very aggressive
    species.
   

831
00:49:56,065 --> 00:49:57,733

    It is in us.
</font>

832
00:49:57,833 --> 00:50:01,166

And people talk a lot about
how, "Well, the military turns


833
00:50:01,266 --> 00:50:04,233

kids into killing machines"
and stuff.


834
00:50:05,833 --> 00:50:08,565

And I'll always argue that
it's just finishing school.


835
00:50:08,666 --> 00:50:13,300

What we do with civilization
is that we learn to inhibit


836
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,733

and rope in these
aggressive tendencies.


837
00:50:16,833 --> 00:50:19,166

And we have to recognize them.


838
00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:23,065

I worry about a whole country
that doesn't recognize it.


839
00:50:23,166 --> 00:50:25,032

'Cause you think of how
many times we get ourselves


840
00:50:25,132 --> 00:50:28,465

in scrapes as a nation because
we're always the good guys.


841
00:50:28,565 --> 00:50:31,432
<font color="white" face="monospace">
Sometimes, I think if we thought
that we weren't always


842
00:50:31,532 --> 00:50:33,865

the good guys, we might actually
get in less wars.


843
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:38,199

(static humming)


844
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:39,565

REPORTER:
Mr. Rubin,


845
00:50:39,666 --> 00:50:42,400

how do you realistically expect
to shut down the Pentagon?


846
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:45,599
<font color="white" face="monospace">
The Pentagon represents
the murder of people


847
00:50:45,699 --> 00:50:46,965

throughout the world.


848
00:50:47,065 --> 00:50:49,199

And the American people
have no control


849
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:50,699

of what their government's
doing.


850
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,266

And so we're going to go there
in the scores of thousands,


851
00:50:54,365 --> 00:50:57,432
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    and block doors
    and fill hallways,
   

852
00:50:57,532 --> 00:50:59,565

    so the work
    of the Pentagon stops.
   

853
00:50:59,666 --> 00:51:01,800

    Because the work
    of the Pentagon should stop.
   

854
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:04,099

    The only thing to do with
    the Pentagon is to shut it down.
   

855
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,800

    ("Waist Deep in the Big Muddy"
by Pete Seeger playing)
   

856
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:09,565

    â™ª It was back in 1942
   

857
00:51:09,666 --> 00:51:11,932

    â™ª I was a member
    of a good platoon â™ª
   

858
00:51:12,032 --> 00:51:15,266

    â™ª We were on maneuvers
    in Louisiana â™ª
   

859
00:51:15,365 --> 00:51:17,266

    â™ª One night
    by the light of the moon â™ª
   

860
00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:20,932

    â™ª The captain told us
to ford a river â™ª
   

861
00:51:21,032 --> 00:51:23,632

    â™ª That's how it all begun
   

862
00:51:23,733 --> 00:51:26,166

    â™ª We were knee deep
    in the Big Muddy â™ª
   

863
00:51:26,266 --> 00:51:29,032

    â™ª The big fool says to push on
   

864
00:51:29,132 --> 00:51:32,800

    BILL ZIMMERMAN:
    There was a major demonstration
    either in New York
   

865
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:37,465

    or in Washington
every fall and every spring.


866
00:51:37,565 --> 00:51:40,599

We decided that we would go to
the demonstration


867
00:51:40,699 --> 00:51:44,266

in Washington at the Lincoln
Memorial in the fall of '67,


868
00:51:44,365 --> 00:51:46,965

but we would take as many
people out of that demonstration


869
00:51:47,065 --> 00:51:50,865

as we could and lead them
to the Pentagon.


870
00:51:50,965 --> 00:51:55,432
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    And at the Pentagon, try to do
    something more militant
   

871
00:51:55,532 --> 00:51:59,166

    than simply stand around and
    make speeches opposing the war,
   

872
00:51:59,266 --> 00:52:02,233

    which is what these
    demonstrations had become.
   

873
00:52:02,333 --> 00:52:03,733

    SEEGER:
    â™ª No man will be able to swim.
   

874
00:52:03,833 --> 00:52:07,132

    ZIMMERMAN:
And when the time came
to lead people away


875
00:52:07,233 --> 00:52:09,400

from the Lincoln Memorial
toward the Pentagon,


876
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:12,065

50,000 people marched.


877
00:52:12,166 --> 00:52:14,465

SEEGER:
â™ª Men, follow me, I'll lead on


878
00:52:14,565 --> 00:52:17,500

â™ª We were neck deep
in the Big Muddy â™ª


879
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:20,599

â™ª The big fool says
to push on. â™ª


880
00:52:20,699 --> 00:52:24,500

NARRATOR:
Bill Zimmerman, now an assistant
professor of psychology


881
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:27,233

at Brooklyn College,
had been against the war


882
00:52:27,333 --> 00:52:29,166

since the beginning.


883
00:52:29,266 --> 00:52:33,699

ZIMMERMAN:
Then we found when we got there
concentric defense perimeters


884
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,900
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    that had been set up
    around the Pentagon to keep us
   

885
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,599

    at a distance from the building.
   

886
00:52:38,699 --> 00:52:43,099

    We pushed against them,
    we tore down their fences.
   

887
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,065

    SEEGER:
    â™ª With the captain
    dead and gone â™ª
   

888
00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:46,766

    â™ª We stripped and dived
and found his body. â™ª


889
00:52:46,865 --> 00:52:49,666

LESLIE YELLOW:
I was working that weekend day.


890
00:52:49,766 --> 00:52:54,032

The secretaries who were working
in my area were frightened


891
00:52:54,132 --> 00:52:58,666

to hell what these
Vietnam protesters would do.


892
00:52:58,766 --> 00:53:00,099

They thought they were
going to come into the building


893
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:01,333
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    and rape them.
   

894
00:53:01,432 --> 00:53:03,800

    Some of them actually
    came over the walls.
   

895
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,833

    SEEGER:
    â™ª The big fool said
    to push on. â™ª
   

896
00:53:05,932 --> 00:53:09,333

    GELB:
    It was a sense of revolution.
   

897
00:53:09,432 --> 00:53:10,432

    (crowd yelling)
   

898
00:53:10,532 --> 00:53:12,365

    SEEGER:
â™ª Waist deep in the Big Muddy


899
00:53:12,465 --> 00:53:14,333

â™ª The big fool says to push on


900
00:53:14,432 --> 00:53:17,266

â™ª Waist deep in the Big Muddy


901
00:53:17,365 --> 00:53:19,400

â™ª The big fool says
to push on. â™ª


902
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,733

ZIMMERMAN:
God knows what we were going to
do when we got in the building.


903
00:53:23,833 --> 00:53:25,766

Some people, the hippies,


904
00:53:25,865 --> 00:53:27,699

said they were going
to levitate the building.


905
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,166

Other people wanted to commit
vandalism in the building.


906
00:53:31,266 --> 00:53:33,632

Other people wanted to
distribute antiwar literature


907
00:53:33,733 --> 00:53:36,000

in the building, talk to people.


908
00:53:36,099 --> 00:53:39,500

Just the idea of getting
into the headquarters


909
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,666

of the United States military...


910
00:53:43,465 --> 00:53:46,766

It was the first time
that antiwar demonstrators


911
00:53:46,865 --> 00:53:51,266

had confronted active-duty
military personnel.


912
00:53:51,365 --> 00:53:53,965

We didn't consider them
the enemy.


913
00:53:54,065 --> 00:53:57,532

We considered them
    victims of the war.
   

914
00:53:57,632 --> 00:54:02,733

    But we began to see our own
    government as the enemy.
   

915
00:54:02,833 --> 00:54:07,099

    NARRATOR:
    President Johnson believed
    that international communism
   

916
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,699

    was somehow behind
    the demonstration.
   

917
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,166

    He had directed the CIA
    to come up with the evidence,
</font>

918
00:54:13,266 --> 00:54:17,032

and was furious
when it found none.


919
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:20,199

DWIGHT EISENHOWER:
Mr. President?


920
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:21,166

LYNDON JOHNSON:
Yes.


921
00:54:21,266 --> 00:54:22,166

This is
General Eisenhower.


922
00:54:22,266 --> 00:54:23,400

How've you been,
Mr. President?


923
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,432

I'm doing fine
under the circumstances.


924
00:54:26,532 --> 00:54:29,166

But we just had hell,
and these college students,


925
00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:31,132

I've had Hoover in after them.


926
00:54:31,233 --> 00:54:34,666

They came marched here,
and we arrested 600 of them,


927
00:54:34,766 --> 00:54:37,865

and we gave 29 of them
pretty tough times.


928
00:54:37,965 --> 00:54:41,300

We found most of them
really were mentally diseased.


929
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,465

Hoover's taken 256 that turned
in supposedly their draft cards.


930
00:54:45,565 --> 00:54:47,932

So, you're dealing
with mental problems,


931
00:54:48,032 --> 00:54:50,166

I think that we talk
too damn much


932
00:54:50,266 --> 00:54:52,465

about civil liberties
and constitutional rights


933
00:54:52,565 --> 00:54:54,032
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    of the individual
    and not enough
   

934
00:54:54,132 --> 00:54:55,565

    about the rights
    of the masses.
   

935
00:54:55,666 --> 00:54:56,932

    EISENHOWER:
    That's why we have it.
   

936
00:54:57,032 --> 00:54:59,000

    We have freely elected people
    and we've got to
   

937
00:54:59,099 --> 00:55:00,500

    stand behind them.
   

938
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,065

    JOHNSON:
I think your government's
in trouble, General.


939
00:55:03,166 --> 00:55:05,032

I think it's in...
I don't want to say this.


940
00:55:05,132 --> 00:55:06,833

But I think we're in
more danger


941
00:55:06,932 --> 00:55:08,833

from these
left-wing influences now


942
00:55:08,932 --> 00:55:11,800

than we've ever been
in 37 years I've been here.


943
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,932

And they're working
in my party from within.


944
00:55:15,032 --> 00:55:17,599

And Bobby thinks he's going
to get the nomination.


945
00:55:17,699 --> 00:55:21,932

NARRATOR:
Allard Lowenstein, a 38-year-old
attorney from New York,


946
00:55:22,032 --> 00:55:25,065

shared the antiwar fervor
of the protestors,


947
00:55:25,166 --> 00:55:26,965

but he believed
the most effective way


948
00:55:27,065 --> 00:55:30,766
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    to end the fighting was to work
    within the political system,
   

949
00:55:30,865 --> 00:55:32,666

    not outside it.
   

950
00:55:32,766 --> 00:55:35,500

    The answer, he said,
    was to stop Lyndon Johnson
   

951
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:39,166

    from getting
    a second full term as president.
   

952
00:55:39,266 --> 00:55:43,432

    He had traveled the country
    all year in search of someone
</font>

953
00:55:43,532 --> 00:55:46,166

willing to challenge
the president in the upcoming


954
00:55:46,266 --> 00:55:48,199

Democratic primaries.


955
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,500

He asked Senator Robert Kennedy
of New York,


956
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,599

who had begun to criticize
the Johnson administration


957
00:55:54,699 --> 00:55:56,099

over the war.


958
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:59,500
<font color="white" face="monospace">
He asked
Lieutenant General James Gavin.


959
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:03,565

He asked Senator George McGovern
of South Dakota.


960
00:56:03,666 --> 00:56:05,800

They all turned him down.


961
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:09,532

Lowenstein kept looking.


962
00:56:14,532 --> 00:56:19,632

At Fort Sill, Oklahoma,
on November 17, 1967,


963
00:56:19,733 --> 00:56:22,965
<font color="white" face="monospace">
friends and family
of a fallen soldier gathered


964
00:56:23,065 --> 00:56:26,532

for a funeral,
one of five military funerals


965
00:56:26,632 --> 00:56:29,032

held there that month.


966
00:56:29,132 --> 00:56:33,865

First Sergeant Pascal Cleatus
Poolaw had been killed


967
00:56:33,965 --> 00:56:36,465

as he tried to drag
one of his wounded men


968
00:56:36,565 --> 00:56:41,333
<font color="white" face="monospace">
off the battlefield near
the village of Loc Ninh.


969
00:56:41,432 --> 00:56:46,565

He was a remarkable soldier,
had been awarded one Silver Star


970
00:56:46,666 --> 00:56:52,132

in World War II, two more in
Korea, and was awarded a fourth,


971
00:56:52,233 --> 00:56:56,465

posthumously,
for his gallantry in Vietnam.


972
00:56:56,565 --> 00:56:59,632

He was a Kiowa Indian.


973
00:56:59,733 --> 00:57:02,599

He and three of his sons
were among


974
00:57:02,699 --> 00:57:07,699

the 42,000 Native Americans
who would serve in Vietnam,


975
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,500

the highest per capita
service rate of any ethnic group


976
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,766

in the United States.


977
00:57:13,865 --> 00:57:18,800

Pascal Poolaw's widow spoke
at the ceremony.


978
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:22,532

"He has followed the trail
of the great chiefs," she said.


979
00:57:22,632 --> 00:57:27,833

"His people hold him in honor
and highest esteem.


980
00:57:27,932 --> 00:57:32,132

"He has given his life
for the people and the country


981
00:57:32,233 --> 00:57:36,400

he loved so much."


982
00:57:39,766 --> 00:57:41,032
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    ("Somebody to Love" by
    Jefferson Airplane playing)
   

983
00:57:41,132 --> 00:57:42,432

    â™ª When the truth is found
   

984
00:57:42,532 --> 00:57:46,565

    â™ª To be lies
   

985
00:57:46,666 --> 00:57:49,500

    â™ª And all the joy
   

986
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:53,932

    â™ª Within you dies
   

987
00:57:54,032 --> 00:57:56,400

    â™ª Don't you want somebody
    to love? â™ª
</font>

988
00:57:56,500 --> 00:58:00,000

â™ª Don't you need somebody
to love? â™ª


989
00:58:00,099 --> 00:58:03,766

â™ª Wouldn't you love somebody
to love? â™ª


990
00:58:03,865 --> 00:58:08,233

â™ª You better find somebody
to love â™ª


991
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:10,166

â™ª Love.


992
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:17,833

MUSGRAVE:
I didn't hear the word "hippie"
until I was at Con Thien


993
00:58:17,932 --> 00:58:19,266
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    and we got a<i>Playbo</i> y, somebody
    got a<i>Playboy</i> in the mail,
   

994
00:58:19,365 --> 00:58:22,266

    which was obviously very
    important to us.
   

995
00:58:22,365 --> 00:58:24,465

    And there was an article
    on Haight-Ashbury
   

996
00:58:24,565 --> 00:58:26,132

    and pictures of the girls
    running around
   

997
00:58:26,233 --> 00:58:27,865

    without their tops,
you know, free love.


998
00:58:27,965 --> 00:58:29,365

And they were hippies.


999
00:58:29,465 --> 00:58:31,965

And we thought it was
"hip pie" cause it had two Ps.


1000
00:58:32,065 --> 00:58:33,833

You know,
"Hey, I'm gonna go home


1001
00:58:33,932 --> 00:58:35,266

"and be one of these hip pies


1002
00:58:35,365 --> 00:58:36,865

"because the girls
don't wear no clothes.


1003
00:58:36,965 --> 00:58:39,365
<font color="white" face="monospace">
You know, and they'll
go to bed with anybody."


1004
00:58:39,465 --> 00:58:40,733

You know, even I could score.


1005
00:58:40,833 --> 00:58:44,766

But the only information I had
of the peace movement


1006
00:58:44,865 --> 00:58:46,500

came from<i>Stars and Stripes.</i>


1007
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:50,132

And that wasn't
a real objective newspaper.


1008
00:58:50,233 --> 00:58:52,565
<font color="white" face="monospace">
And so I hated them


1009
00:58:52,666 --> 00:58:54,565

before I ever even knew
anything about them.


1010
00:58:54,666 --> 00:58:57,233

("Somebody to Love" continues)


1011
00:59:00,865 --> 00:59:04,965

NARRATOR:
The monsoon rains continued
to make life miserable


1012
00:59:05,065 --> 00:59:08,465

for John Musgrave and
the other Marines at Con Thien.


1013
00:59:08,565 --> 00:59:12,565
<font color="white" face="monospace">
But by early November, the
worst of the shelling had ended.


1014
00:59:12,666 --> 00:59:16,166

American airstrikes,
artillery, and Navy fire


1015
00:59:16,266 --> 00:59:19,565

had taken a fearful toll
on the besieging enemy.


1016
00:59:21,365 --> 00:59:26,833

Before dawn on November 7, two
companies of Musgrave's outfit


1017
00:59:26,932 --> 00:59:29,666

were sent half a mile
into the countryside


1018
00:59:29,766 --> 00:59:33,065

northwest of the base
to sweep the area again.


1019
00:59:34,932 --> 00:59:38,565

MUSGRAVE:
We got into an area
that was old hedgerows


1020
00:59:38,666 --> 00:59:40,766

that's grown over with jungle.


1021
00:59:40,865 --> 00:59:43,233

Very difficult to see very far.


1022
00:59:43,333 --> 00:59:46,400

In the clear area, we had three
    NVA show themselves
   

1023
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:50,000

    and start just spraying
    30 rounds out of their AKs
   

1024
00:59:50,099 --> 00:59:51,099

    and then booking.
   

1025
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:52,400

    (gunfire)
   

1026
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:56,365

    The company commander himself
    said, "I want their bodies.
   

1027
00:59:56,465 --> 00:59:57,900

    Bring me their bodies."
</font>

1028
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,266

Everything's about body count,
right?


1029
01:00:01,365 --> 01:00:04,365

We said, "Man, this is as
old as Custer.


1030
01:00:04,465 --> 01:00:06,865

"These guys are showing
themselves to draw us


1031
01:00:06,965 --> 01:00:08,099

"into an ambush.


1032
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:10,733

"Lieutenant, don't do this,"
you know.


1033
01:00:10,833 --> 01:00:14,432
<font color="white" face="monospace">
"Please, these guys are bait."


1034
01:00:14,532 --> 01:00:16,733

Well, the skipper says,
"We got to go.


1035
01:00:16,833 --> 01:00:18,865

We got to go."


1036
01:00:18,965 --> 01:00:22,266

And... we went.


1037
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,099

(gunfire)


1038
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:27,565

And I can't tell you
a whole lot about the ambush.


1039
01:00:27,666 --> 01:00:29,699
<font color="white" face="monospace">
I was one of the first people
to be shot.


1040
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,599

One round put me down.


1041
01:00:31,699 --> 01:00:33,233

(gunfire)


1042
01:00:33,333 --> 01:00:36,800

And my grenadier was down, and
we were trying to get him back.


1043
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:41,000

And Marines, from the first day
in boot camp,


1044
01:00:41,099 --> 01:00:43,599

you learn that Marines
    don't leave their dead,
   

1045
01:00:43,699 --> 01:00:47,233

    and they never,
    never leave their wounded.
   

1046
01:00:48,666 --> 01:00:51,365

    And that's why I'm alive today.
   

1047
01:00:51,465 --> 01:00:55,733

    First guy that came for me--
    I was lying on my face...
   

1048
01:00:55,833 --> 01:00:57,233

    (gunfire)
   

1049
01:00:57,333 --> 01:00:59,766

    he reached down and stuck his
arms under my shoulders


1050
01:00:59,865 --> 01:01:04,233

and lifted me up and the machine
gun wasn't any far,


1051
01:01:04,333 --> 01:01:09,932

was maybe nine feet, ten feet
at the most, away from me.


1052
01:01:10,032 --> 01:01:11,565

This is a very
intimate ambush.


1053
01:01:11,666 --> 01:01:12,666

It's a brawl.


1054
01:01:12,766 --> 01:01:14,166

(gunfire)


1055
01:01:14,266 --> 01:01:18,333
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    And he fired a burst into my
    chest that blew me out
   

1056
01:01:18,432 --> 01:01:21,965

    of the Marine's arms that was
    holding me and then he was shot.
   

1057
01:01:22,065 --> 01:01:24,532

    (gunfire)
   

1058
01:01:24,632 --> 01:01:30,865

    Another very brave young Marine,
    this 18-year-old from Louisiana,
   

1059
01:01:30,965 --> 01:01:34,000

    his first firefight,
had seen what happened
   

1060
01:01:34,099 --> 01:01:37,266

    and still came for me.
   

1061
01:01:37,365 --> 01:01:42,032

    And he reached for me, and he
    was shot I think in the forearm.
   

1062
01:01:42,132 --> 01:01:44,932

    And he was laying beside me.
   

1063
01:01:45,032 --> 01:01:46,800

    Now, I've got a hole
    through my chest big enough
   

1064
01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:48,465

    to stick your fist through.
</font>

1065
01:01:49,432 --> 01:01:50,632

I'm dying and I know it.


1066
01:01:50,733 --> 01:01:51,865

(gunfire)


1067
01:01:51,965 --> 01:01:54,565

And I heard this horrible
screaming going on,


1068
01:01:54,666 --> 01:01:58,333

and I was trying to figure out
who was screaming like that,


1069
01:01:58,432 --> 01:01:59,699

because it sounded so...


1070
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,766

(distant gunfire)


1071
01:02:06,666 --> 01:02:08,333

And then I realized it was me.


1072
01:02:11,065 --> 01:02:13,500

When they began to drag us out,
they were being pursued


1073
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:17,400

by the North Vietnamese,
and they would drop us


1074
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:19,166

and lay on top of us.


1075
01:02:19,266 --> 01:02:20,599

They knew... we were both dying.


1076
01:02:20,699 --> 01:02:24,032
<font color="white" face="monospace">
The grenadier had been shot
in the right side of his chest.


1077
01:02:24,132 --> 01:02:26,233

They knew... we were both dead.


1078
01:02:26,333 --> 01:02:29,000

But we were still alive.


1079
01:02:29,099 --> 01:02:30,632

So, they weren't gonna leave us.


1080
01:02:30,733 --> 01:02:32,833

They would die before
they would leave us.


1081
01:02:32,932 --> 01:02:34,900
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    And they covered us with their
    bodies and fired back
   

1082
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,233

    at the NVA and then they'd jump
    up and drag us a little farther
   

1083
01:02:38,333 --> 01:02:40,666

    and then drop us and
    lay back on top of us.
   

1084
01:02:40,766 --> 01:02:43,632

    And I kept telling them
    to leave me.
   

1085
01:02:43,733 --> 01:02:45,365

    And I meant it.
I meant it.


1086
01:02:45,465 --> 01:02:49,599

But all of a sudden I got scared
that they might really leave me.


1087
01:02:50,965 --> 01:02:51,965

(distant gunfire)


1088
01:02:52,065 --> 01:02:54,532

I was triaged three times.


1089
01:02:54,632 --> 01:02:57,465

And the senior corpsman said,


1090
01:02:57,565 --> 01:02:59,199

"He's either shot through
the heart or the lungs.


1091
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:00,432
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    There's nothing
    I can do for him."
   

1092
01:03:00,532 --> 01:03:02,199

    And he just turned away.
   

1093
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:04,400

    I went, "Well, okay."
   

1094
01:03:05,365 --> 01:03:09,032

    And then, a helicopter came in.
   

1095
01:03:09,132 --> 01:03:10,699

    And they threw me into the bird.
   

1096
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,099

    (distant helicopter blades
    humming)
</font>

1097
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:16,432

And the corpsman on the bird
straddled me, stood over me,


1098
01:03:16,532 --> 01:03:19,532

and looked down at me, and then
looked up at the door gunner


1099
01:03:19,632 --> 01:03:23,432

and went...
get me out of the way


1100
01:03:23,532 --> 01:03:24,532

because he couldn't work on me.


1101
01:03:24,632 --> 01:03:26,166

I was a dead man.


1102
01:03:26,266 --> 01:03:28,132
<font color="white" face="monospace">
(muted helicopter blades
beating)


1103
01:03:28,233 --> 01:03:30,132

And they flew me
to Participate With that Dong Ha.


1104
01:03:30,233 --> 01:03:34,266

And I thought,
"Okay, I made it this far."


1105
01:03:34,365 --> 01:03:36,000

And this doctor comes
over and looks at me


1106
01:03:36,099 --> 01:03:37,666

and I'm conscious.


1107
01:03:37,766 --> 01:03:40,000
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    I'm lucid.
   

1108
01:03:40,099 --> 01:03:41,500

    And he checks
    a couple of things.
   

1109
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:42,800

    And I've got this huge hole
    in me.
   

1110
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:44,365

    And he looks at me
    right in the eye, and he says,
   

1111
01:03:44,465 --> 01:03:46,233

    "What's your religion, Marine?"
   

1112
01:03:46,333 --> 01:03:48,400

    And I said,
"Well, I'm a Protestant."
   

1113
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:49,565

    And he says,
    "Get a chaplain over here.
   

1114
01:03:49,666 --> 01:03:51,266

    I can't help this man."
   

1115
01:03:51,365 --> 01:03:52,266

    And then he walked away.
   

1116
01:03:53,733 --> 01:03:59,000

    Another surgeon walks by,
    and he looked at me,
   

1117
01:03:59,099 --> 01:04:03,199

    and I was raised
    to always be nice to people.
</font>

1118
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:07,099

    And when he looked at me,
    I smiled at him and nodded.
   

1119
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:11,365

    And he said, "Why isn't
    somebody helping this man?"
   

1120
01:04:11,465 --> 01:04:12,766

    And inside I'm going,
   

1121
01:04:12,865 --> 01:04:14,500

    "Yeah, why isn't somebody
    helping this man?"
   

1122
01:04:15,699 --> 01:04:18,632

    When they put me to sleep,
    I thought,
</font>

1123
01:04:18,733 --> 01:04:21,766

"Boy, this is really it,"
you know.


1124
01:04:21,865 --> 01:04:24,465

And it was kind of,
"Okay, God,


1125
01:04:24,565 --> 01:04:27,166

into your hands,
I deliver my spirit."


1126
01:04:28,365 --> 01:04:30,233

And I thought that was it.


1127
01:04:32,233 --> 01:04:34,432

And when I woke up in the
surgical intensive care ward,


1128
01:04:34,532 --> 01:04:36,932
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    which was a Quonset hut,
   

1129
01:04:37,032 --> 01:04:39,565

    I thought, "Holy mackerel."
   

1130
01:04:39,666 --> 01:04:43,699

    I just couldn't...
    I couldn't believe it.
   

1131
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,900

    Yesterday over Hanoi,
   

1132
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,766

    three American planes
    were shot down
   

1133
01:04:50,865 --> 01:04:53,500

    and at least two
of their pilots captured.


1134
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:57,132

One of them was Lieutenant
Commander John McCain III,


1135
01:04:57,233 --> 01:05:00,400

the son of the U.S. Naval
commander in Europe.


1136
01:05:01,733 --> 01:05:04,166

BAO NINH:


1137
01:05:37,932 --> 01:05:41,500

NARRATOR:
Hanoi was so pleased to have
captured the son


1138
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,000

of an American admiral that they
allowed a French journalist


1139
01:05:45,099 --> 01:05:47,632

to interview McCain
in the hospital.


1140
01:05:47,733 --> 01:05:52,032

He had just had his broken bones
set without even an aspirin


1141
01:05:52,132 --> 01:05:53,565

for the pain.


1142
01:05:53,666 --> 01:05:54,865

INTERVIEWER:
What is your name?


1143
01:05:54,965 --> 01:05:58,032

Lieutenant Commander
John McCain.


1144
01:05:58,132 --> 01:06:01,199

How many raids have you done
until the last one?


1145
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:03,065

About 23.


1146
01:06:03,166 --> 01:06:07,865

In which circumstances
have you been shot down?


1147
01:06:07,965 --> 01:06:12,733

I was on a flight
over the city of Hanoi,


1148
01:06:12,833 --> 01:06:19,932

and I was bombing and I was hit
by either a missile


1149
01:06:20,032 --> 01:06:21,733

or anti-aircraft fire.


1150
01:06:21,833 --> 01:06:28,833

I'm not sure which, and the
plane continued straight down,


1151
01:06:28,932 --> 01:06:37,500

and I ejected
and broke my leg and both arms


1152
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:44,365

and went into a lake;
parachuted into a lake.


1153
01:06:44,465 --> 01:06:49,333
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    And I was picked up by some
    North Vietnamese
   

1154
01:06:49,432 --> 01:06:55,500

    and taken to the hospital,
    where I almost died.
   

1155
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:57,865

    I would just like to tell...
   

1156
01:07:02,233 --> 01:07:04,666

    ...my wife...
   

1157
01:07:05,465 --> 01:07:08,032

    ...I will get well...
   

1158
01:07:10,565 --> 01:07:17,300

    ...and I love her
and I hope to see her soon.


1159
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,400

NARRATOR:
After the interview,
McCain was beaten


1160
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:25,565

for not expressing sufficient
gratitude to his captors.


1161
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,266

(soldiers conversing)


1162
01:07:33,365 --> 01:07:37,800

NARRATOR:
All through the fall of 1967,
the North Vietnamese


1163
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:41,632
<font color="white" face="monospace">
and the Viet Cong continued
their series of "Border Battles"


1164
01:07:41,733 --> 01:07:44,266

in preparation
for their surprise offensive,


1165
01:07:44,365 --> 01:07:46,300

still months away.


1166
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,199

Con Thien, where John Musgrave
was wounded,


1167
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:51,766

had been the first.


1168
01:07:51,865 --> 01:07:55,599
<font color="white" face="monospace">
Then came the ARVN base
at Song Be.


1169
01:07:55,699 --> 01:07:58,166

The South Vietnamese outpost
adjacent to


1170
01:07:58,266 --> 01:08:01,400

the provincial capital
of Loc Ninh was next.


1171
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,432

There, large units of
North Vietnamese


1172
01:08:04,532 --> 01:08:08,333

and Viet Cong regulars
mounted a coordinated attack,


1173
01:08:08,432 --> 01:08:11,800
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    and then fought for five days
    to hold on to the ground
   

1174
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:15,766

    they'd gained, something they
    had never done before.
   

1175
01:08:15,865 --> 01:08:19,466

    American commanders
    were puzzled.
   

1176
01:08:19,565 --> 01:08:24,199

    Then, in early November,
    reports reached MACV
   

1177
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:26,565

    that five North Vietnamese
    regiments
</font>

1178
01:08:26,666 --> 01:08:30,966

and a Viet Cong battalion--
some 7,000 men in all--


1179
01:08:31,065 --> 01:08:33,666

had begun massing
in the Central Highlands


1180
01:08:33,765 --> 01:08:38,432

around the U.S. Special Forces
camp at Dak To again.


1181
01:08:38,533 --> 01:08:43,166

Among the North Vietnamese
regulars was Nguyen Thanh Son,


1182
01:08:43,265 --> 01:08:46,565

who had been so eager to fight
    that he too had filled
   

1183
01:08:46,666 --> 01:08:50,765

    his pockets with rocks
    to pass his physical.
   

1184
01:08:51,932 --> 01:08:54,666

    NGUYEN THANH SON:
   

1185
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:08,365

    NARRATOR:
    As the NVA deployed
    their troops,
   

1186
01:09:08,466 --> 01:09:11,399

    Westmoreland sent his to Dak To,
   

1187
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:15,065

    exactly what
the enemy wanted him to do.


1188
01:09:15,166 --> 01:09:20,399

Among the Americans were the
men of the elite 173rd Airborne,


1189
01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:24,100

Westmoreland's Fire Brigade.


1190
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:32,699

MATT HARRISON:
We all knew in a general sense
that we wouldn't be brought back


1191
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,733

if there wasn't something big
going on.


1192
01:09:35,832 --> 01:09:41,265
<font color="white" face="monospace">
You just knew that the area was
crawling with North Vietnamese,


1193
01:09:41,365 --> 01:09:45,899

and that they were there
not to avoid contact with us,


1194
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,733

but they were there
to have contact with us.


1195
01:09:50,132 --> 01:09:52,399

NARRATOR:
First Lieutenant
Matthew Harrison was now


1196
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:55,265

with Alpha Company
of the 2nd Battalion,


1197
01:09:55,365 --> 01:09:57,899

the same rifle company
that had been ambushed


1198
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,233

and so badly shattered back in
June on the slopes of Hill 1338,


1199
01:10:03,332 --> 01:10:06,000

just 14 miles to the east.


1200
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:09,733

HARRISON:
This wasn't like the Viet Cong
where if you could find them,


1201
01:10:09,832 --> 01:10:11,100
<font color="white" face="monospace">
you could kill them.


1202
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:12,500

Our problem wasn't finding them.


1203
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,832

Our problem was what to do
with them once you found them.


1204
01:10:14,932 --> 01:10:20,100

NARRATOR:
The 174th NVA Regiment
was waiting.


1205
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:24,000

Nguyen Thanh Son and his men
were already dug in


1206
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:27,166
<font color="white" face="monospace">
on the high ground they knew
the Americans would want


1207
01:10:27,265 --> 01:10:32,000

to command: Hill 875.


1208
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,199

NGUYEN THANH SON:


1209
01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:58,399

NARRATOR:
On Sunday morning,
November 19, 1967,


1210
01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:02,000

Alpha, Charlie, and
Delta Companies were ordered


1211
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:05,000
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    to take Hill 875.
   

1212
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:08,565

    Matt Harrison had been wounded
    in an earlier fight
   

1213
01:11:08,666 --> 01:11:11,500

    and was not permitted
    to accompany his men.
   

1214
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,899

    He anxiously followed
    their progress over the radio.
   

1215
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,699

    Heavy artillery and flights
    of F-100s blasted the hillside
</font>

1216
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,632

ahead of them, meant to
knock out enemy positions


1217
01:11:24,733 --> 01:11:27,932

before the paratroopers
ever got within range.


1218
01:11:29,565 --> 01:11:31,733

NGUYEN THANH SON:


1219
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,199

NARRATOR:
The three companies
moved up the slope,


1220
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:49,733

Charlie and Delta in the lead,


1221
01:11:49,832 --> 01:11:53,033
<font color="white" face="monospace">
Alpha bringing up the rear.


1222
01:11:53,132 --> 01:11:56,600

The paratroopers stepped warily
into a clearing


1223
01:11:56,699 --> 01:11:59,932

filled with fallen trees
from the morning's bombardment


1224
01:12:00,033 --> 01:12:04,832

and only a little over 300 yards
from the summit.


1225
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,800

NGUYEN THANH SON:


1226
01:12:18,265 --> 01:12:19,932
<font color="white" face="monospace">
(gunfire)


1227
01:12:20,033 --> 01:12:23,033

NARRATOR:
Thousands of automatic weapon
rounds ripped through the air.


1228
01:12:23,132 --> 01:12:26,199

Chinese-made grenades came
rolling and bumping


1229
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:27,699

down the slopes.


1230
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:32,033

The Americans sought cover where
they could behind fallen trees,


1231
01:12:32,132 --> 01:12:34,733
<font color="white" face="monospace">
scrabbled at the earth
with their helmets,


1232
01:12:34,832 --> 01:12:37,033

trying to dig fighting holes.


1233
01:12:37,132 --> 01:12:39,865

(gunfire)


1234
01:12:39,966 --> 01:12:41,332

(soldiers yelling)


1235
01:12:41,432 --> 01:12:43,733

(rapid gunfire)


1236
01:12:43,832 --> 01:12:46,733

Charlie and Delta companies
were pinned down


1237
01:12:46,832 --> 01:12:49,733
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    and being torn to pieces.
   

1238
01:12:49,832 --> 01:12:51,065

    (gunfire)
   

1239
01:12:51,166 --> 01:12:53,000

    Meanwhile,
    near the foot of the hill,
   

1240
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:56,199

    other North Vietnamese troops
    surprised Alpha Company
   

1241
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:57,632

    from behind.
   

1242
01:12:57,733 --> 01:13:00,800

    They were first spotted
moving up through the trees


1243
01:13:00,899 --> 01:13:04,600

by a private from the Bronx
named Carlos Lozada.


1244
01:13:04,699 --> 01:13:07,865

As the men of his
company scrambled up the slope,


1245
01:13:07,966 --> 01:13:09,765

dragging their wounded
with them,


1246
01:13:09,865 --> 01:13:12,432

Lozada provided
what cover he could,


1247
01:13:12,533 --> 01:13:15,300

firing his M-60 machine gun
    from his hip--
   

1248
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,132

    before a bullet
    hit him in the head.
   

1249
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:24,332

    He would be awarded
    a posthumous Medal of Honor.
   

1250
01:13:24,432 --> 01:13:28,332

    Back home, the battle led
    the nightly news.
   

1251
01:13:28,432 --> 01:13:30,033

    (helicopter humming)
   

1252
01:13:30,132 --> 01:13:33,033

    WALTER CRONKITE:
The Battle of Dak To is now on
    its 19th day,
   

1253
01:13:33,132 --> 01:13:35,432

    and already ranks
    among the bloodiest campaigns
   

1254
01:13:35,533 --> 01:13:36,966

    of the Vietnam War.
   

1255
01:13:37,065 --> 01:13:38,699

    There's no sign yet
    of any let-up.
   

1256
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,332

    Over the weekend,
    three companies
   

1257
01:13:40,432 --> 01:13:44,432

    of the 173rd Airborne Brigade
moved down this river valley,


1258
01:13:44,533 --> 01:13:47,432

up which North Vietnamese
normally infiltrate,


1259
01:13:47,533 --> 01:13:50,600

until they got down here
by Hill 875.


1260
01:13:50,699 --> 01:13:53,033

Then, they came under heavy fire
from the hill.


1261
01:13:53,132 --> 01:13:55,233

Two of the three companies
charged the hill,


1262
01:13:55,332 --> 01:13:57,199

the other stayed back
    as a rear guard.
   

1263
01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:58,632

    They found a...
   

1264
01:13:58,733 --> 01:14:01,865

    HARRISON:
    By early afternoon,
    the three companies
   

1265
01:14:01,966 --> 01:14:04,233

    had basically been decapitated.
   

1266
01:14:04,332 --> 01:14:06,132

    The company commanders
    were dead;
   

1267
01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:09,300

    most of the officers and
most of the NCOs were dead.
   

1268
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:11,100

    (soldiers yelling)
   

1269
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:13,899

    NARRATOR:
    The survivors from all three
    companies clustered
   

1270
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,699

    in the clearing
    and did their best to set up
   

1271
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,466

    a defensive circle.
   

1272
01:14:18,565 --> 01:14:23,199

    American bombs and napalm
pounded enemy positions


1273
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:26,800

until it grew
almost too dark to see.


1274
01:14:27,765 --> 01:14:29,666

NGUYEN THANH SON:


1275
01:14:55,065 --> 01:14:59,899

NARRATOR:
Then, another American plane
roared in and dropped two bombs.


1276
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,000

One landed among
the hidden enemy troops.


1277
01:15:04,233 --> 01:15:08,800

The other fell directly
on the Americans.


1278
01:15:08,899 --> 01:15:13,699

In a fraction of a second,
42 were killed.


1279
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,733

A badly hit lieutenant managed
to find a working radio.


1280
01:15:17,832 --> 01:15:21,265

"No more fucking planes,"
he shouted into it.


1281
01:15:21,365 --> 01:15:24,100

"You're killing<i>us</i> up here."


1282
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:25,565
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    (explosion)
   

1283
01:15:25,666 --> 01:15:27,932

    The fighting
    on the hillside continued.
   

1284
01:15:28,033 --> 01:15:32,466

    The men ran out of water,
    began to run out of ammunition.
   

1285
01:15:32,565 --> 01:15:37,300

    Helicopters that tried to ferry
    in supplies were shot down.
   

1286
01:15:38,666 --> 01:15:45,765

    The following day, Matt Harrison
    was able to chopper in.
</font>

1287
01:15:45,865 --> 01:15:47,466

HARRISON:
It was chaos.


1288
01:15:47,565 --> 01:15:50,365

It was collections of guys
who had who had tunneled


1289
01:15:50,466 --> 01:15:52,666

and dug down behind trees.


1290
01:15:52,765 --> 01:15:56,199

These were guys who had gone
without water in that heat


1291
01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:57,800

for two days.


1292
01:15:57,899 --> 01:16:01,899

And almost every one of them
was wounded.


1293
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,033

And then all around were bodies,


1294
01:16:06,132 --> 01:16:10,432

guys who had been shot
and blown up.


1295
01:16:10,533 --> 01:16:12,166

It was the third circle of hell.


1296
01:16:14,932 --> 01:16:19,399

NARRATOR:
On November 23, two fresh
battalions of the 173rd


1297
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:22,033

finally made it
to the top of the hill,


1298
01:16:22,132 --> 01:16:24,966

for which so many had died.


1299
01:16:25,065 --> 01:16:26,832

But the night before,


1300
01:16:26,932 --> 01:16:29,832

the surviving North Vietnamese
troops had slipped down


1301
01:16:29,932 --> 01:16:36,166

the other side and disappeared
into Cambodia and Laos.


1302
01:16:36,265 --> 01:16:38,899

The powers that be
    decided it would be important
   

1303
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,466

    to our morale for us to be in on
    the taking the top of the hill.
   

1304
01:16:43,565 --> 01:16:48,800

    I had 26 guys left out of a
    company that started out of 140,
   

1305
01:16:48,899 --> 01:16:51,565

    and all 26 had been wounded.
   

1306
01:16:51,666 --> 01:16:55,966

    NARRATOR:
    Then Harrison and his exhausted
men were helicoptered
   

1307
01:16:56,065 --> 01:16:57,832

    to the top of yet another hill.
   

1308
01:16:57,932 --> 01:16:59,632

    (helicopter blades whirring)
   

1309
01:17:03,565 --> 01:17:05,800

    It was Thanksgiving.
   

1310
01:17:05,899 --> 01:17:09,166

    Chinook helicopters clattered
    down out of the sky,
   

1311
01:17:09,265 --> 01:17:12,899

    carrying huge containers of
    hot turkey and mashed potatoes
</font>

1312
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,500

    and cranberry sauce so that
    the 173rd could have
   

1313
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,533

    their Thanksgiving dinner.
   

1314
01:17:19,632 --> 01:17:22,199

    If there are any more remote
    or dangerous spots
   

1315
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:24,265

    to spend Thanksgiving Day
    in Vietnam than this one,
   

1316
01:17:24,365 --> 01:17:26,500

    then most of these men
have never seen them.


1317
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,000

HARRISON:
There was a TV cameraman
and reporter off to the side


1318
01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:31,699

using us as a backdrop.


1319
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,500

And I remember hearing
the reporter intone,


1320
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,666

"Today is November 23,
Thanksgiving Day,"


1321
01:17:37,765 --> 01:17:41,533

and I was really angry.
   

1322
01:17:41,632 --> 01:17:45,533

    It's as though
    we were entertainers.
   

1323
01:17:47,033 --> 01:17:52,832

    NARRATOR:
    107 Americans had died
    taking Hill 875;
   

1324
01:17:52,932 --> 01:17:55,800

    another 282 were wounded.
   

1325
01:17:55,899 --> 01:17:57,632

    Ten more were missing.
   

1326
01:17:57,733 --> 01:18:01,565

    The number of North Vietnamese
    casualties is unknown,
</font>

1327
01:18:01,666 --> 01:18:05,632

    but their losses are thought
    to have been staggering.
   

1328
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:11,565

    Back in June, Matt Harrison had
    lost two West Point classmates
   

1329
01:18:11,666 --> 01:18:14,300

    on Hill 1338.
   

1330
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:17,432

    He lost two more on Hill 875.
   

1331
01:18:17,533 --> 01:18:21,166

    Of the eight with whom he had
    served in the 2nd Battalion,
</font>

1332
01:18:21,265 --> 01:18:25,565

    four were now dead
    and two had been wounded.
   

1333
01:18:28,132 --> 01:18:31,600

    HARRISON:
    To take tops of mountains
    in a triple canopy jungle
   

1334
01:18:31,699 --> 01:18:34,832

    along the Cambodian-Laotian
    border accomplished nothing
   

1335
01:18:34,932 --> 01:18:37,100

    of any importance.
   

1336
01:18:38,832 --> 01:18:43,399

    The Battle for Hill 875 was,
in my thinking today,
   

1337
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:46,865

    a microcosm of what we were
    doing and what went wrong
   

1338
01:18:46,966 --> 01:18:48,399

    in Vietnam.
   

1339
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:52,233

    There was no reason to take
    that hill.
   

1340
01:18:52,332 --> 01:18:56,033

    We literally got to the top
    of the hill
   

1341
01:18:56,132 --> 01:19:02,899

    about mid-day on November 23
and sat there for,


1342
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,832

I don't know,
half an hour, an hour,


1343
01:19:04,932 --> 01:19:08,899

just kind of gathering ourselves
and everything together.


1344
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,265

Chinooks came in,
took us off the hill.


1345
01:19:12,365 --> 01:19:16,233

And I doubt that there's been
an American on Hill 875


1346
01:19:16,332 --> 01:19:18,399

since November 23.
   

1347
01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:20,765

    We accomplished nothing.
   

1348
01:19:20,865 --> 01:19:24,399

    WILLIAM WESTMORELAND:
    A new phase is now starting.
   

1349
01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:27,432

    We have reached an important
    point when the end
   

1350
01:19:27,533 --> 01:19:29,800

    begins to come into view.
   

1351
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:35,065

    NARRATOR:
    As Matt Harrison and his men
fought for Hill 875,
   

1352
01:19:35,166 --> 01:19:37,800

    the Johnson administration
    was in the midst
   

1353
01:19:37,899 --> 01:19:39,699

    of a "Success Offensive,"
   

1354
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:44,666

    a PR campaign aimed at
    shoring up support for the war
   

1355
01:19:44,765 --> 01:19:47,265

    and the way it was being waged.
   

1356
01:19:47,365 --> 01:19:51,666

    MACV released a new and
surprisingly low estimate


1357
01:19:51,765 --> 01:19:55,699

of enemy forces to show how much
damage the United States


1358
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,166

had done to them.


1359
01:19:57,265 --> 01:20:01,632

It was only two-thirds of the
total suggested by the CIA,


1360
01:20:01,733 --> 01:20:04,166

because, after a bitter
and prolonged debate


1361
01:20:04,265 --> 01:20:07,132

behind the scenes,
Westmoreland had chosen


1362
01:20:07,233 --> 01:20:10,300

to exclude from it
the part-time guerrillas--


1363
01:20:10,399 --> 01:20:14,432

farmers, old men, women,
even children--


1364
01:20:14,533 --> 01:20:18,265

who helped place the mines,
grenades, and booby traps


1365
01:20:18,365 --> 01:20:20,432

that accounted
for more than a third


1366
01:20:20,533 --> 01:20:23,065
<font color="white" face="monospace">
of all American casualties.


1367
01:20:23,166 --> 01:20:26,199

General Westmoreland
also told the press


1368
01:20:26,300 --> 01:20:29,832

that the impressive body counts
his commanders reported


1369
01:20:29,932 --> 01:20:32,533

were "very, very conservative."


1370
01:20:32,632 --> 01:20:35,100

It probably represented,
he said,


1371
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:39,765
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    "50 percent or even less of the
    enemy that has been killed."
   

1372
01:20:39,865 --> 01:20:43,565

    Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker
    joined the chorus,
   

1373
01:20:43,666 --> 01:20:47,365

    using a metaphor first used
    13 years earlier
   

1374
01:20:47,466 --> 01:20:50,000

    by the French commander
    in Vietnam,
   

1375
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:54,666

    not long before their great
defeat at Dien Bien Phu.
   

1376
01:20:54,765 --> 01:20:58,000

    And I think we're now
    beginning to see light
   

1377
01:20:58,100 --> 01:20:59,466

    at the end
    of the tunnel.
   

1378
01:20:59,565 --> 01:21:02,699

    Mr. Ambassador, you talk about
    light at the end of the tunnel.
   

1379
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,332

    How long is this tunnel?
   

1380
01:21:04,432 --> 01:21:07,000

    Well, I don't think that
you can put it


1381
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:12,899

into any particular timeframe,
a situation like this.


1382
01:21:14,432 --> 01:21:18,765

NARRATOR:
LBJ's Success Offensive
succeeded.


1383
01:21:18,865 --> 01:21:22,199

The number of Americans
who believed the United States


1384
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:26,966

was making real progress
in the war grew.


1385
01:21:27,065 --> 01:21:30,399

Secretary of Defense
Robert McNamara


1386
01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:34,565

did not take part in
the public relations campaign.


1387
01:21:34,666 --> 01:21:38,300

He had become so disillusioned
with the war he'd done so much


1388
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:40,899

to plan and prosecute
that he wrote


1389
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,332

another secret memo
to the president,


1390
01:21:43,432 --> 01:21:47,365
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    advising Johnson to freeze
    American troop levels,
   

1391
01:21:47,466 --> 01:21:51,100

    turn over ground operations
    to the South Vietnamese,
   

1392
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:53,600

    and halt the bombing
    of North Vietnam
   

1393
01:21:53,699 --> 01:21:56,699

    "in order to bring about
    negotiations."
   

1394
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,432

    There was no reason to believe,
McNamara wrote,
   

1395
01:22:00,533 --> 01:22:04,233

    that the prolonged "infliction
    of grievous casualties,
   

1396
01:22:04,332 --> 01:22:07,000

    "or the heavy punishment
    of air bombardment,
   

1397
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:10,065

    "will suffice to break the will
    of the North Vietnamese
   

1398
01:22:10,166 --> 01:22:11,600

    "and Viet Cong.
   

1399
01:22:11,699 --> 01:22:14,832

    "The continuation of our
present course of action


1400
01:22:14,932 --> 01:22:19,800

"in Southeast Asia would be
dangerous, costly in lives,


1401
01:22:19,899 --> 01:22:23,132

and unsatisfactory
to the American people."


1402
01:22:23,233 --> 01:22:26,432

Johnson never responded.


1403
01:22:26,533 --> 01:22:29,565

Instead, he arranged
for McNamara to become


1404
01:22:29,666 --> 01:22:32,600

the president of the World Bank.
   

1405
01:22:32,699 --> 01:22:36,533

    McNamara would keep silent
    about the doubts he had harbored
   

1406
01:22:36,632 --> 01:22:38,733

    since the beginning
    of the ground war
   

1407
01:22:38,832 --> 01:22:42,332

    for the next 28 years.
   

1408
01:22:42,432 --> 01:22:45,432

    His successor as
    defense secretary would be
   

1409
01:22:45,533 --> 01:22:46,765

    Clark Clifford,
</font>

1410
01:22:46,865 --> 01:22:50,432

    a prominent Washington lawyer
    and trusted counselor
   

1411
01:22:50,533 --> 01:22:54,000

    to Democratic presidents,
    whom Johnson was sure would be
   

1412
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:55,832

    supportive of the war.
   

1413
01:22:55,932 --> 01:22:58,000

    Students of Harvard...
   

1414
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:01,399

    NARRATOR:
    Meanwhile, Allard Lowenstein's
    yearlong search
</font>

1415
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:03,932

for a Democratic challenger
to the president


1416
01:23:04,033 --> 01:23:06,065

had finally succeeded.


1417
01:23:06,166 --> 01:23:12,132

It's November 30, 1967, in Minnesota
senator Eugene McCarthy


1418
01:23:12,233 --> 01:23:14,100

announced that he would run.


1419
01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:16,832

This is an issue
which has to be taken


1420
01:23:16,932 --> 01:23:20,365
<font color="white" face="monospace">
to the people of the country
in the campaign of 1968.


1421
01:23:20,466 --> 01:23:21,500

(crowd cheers)


1422
01:23:23,565 --> 01:23:26,565

NARRATOR:
By the end of 1967,


1423
01:23:26,666 --> 01:23:32,132

20,057 Americans
had died in Vietnam.


1424
01:23:32,233 --> 01:23:35,500

The time had come,
General Westmoreland said,


1425
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,466
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    for an "all-out offensive
    on all fronts."
   

1426
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:46,733

    But the enemy was just a month
    away from launching
   

1427
01:23:46,832 --> 01:23:49,865

    an all-out offensive
    of its own.
   

1428
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:53,199

    ("Paint in Black"
    by the Rolling Stones playing)
   

1429
01:24:04,966 --> 01:24:10,865

    â™ª I see a red door
and I want it painted black â™ª


1430
01:24:10,966 --> 01:24:16,865

â™ª No colors anymore,
I want them to turn black â™ª


1431
01:24:16,966 --> 01:24:19,166

â™ª I see the girls walk by


1432
01:24:19,265 --> 01:24:22,966

â™ª Dressed in
their summer clothes â™ª


1433
01:24:23,065 --> 01:24:29,166

â™ª I have to turn my head
until my darkness goes â™ª


1434
01:24:29,265 --> 01:24:34,966

â™ª I see a line of cars
    and they're all painted black â™ª
   

1435
01:24:35,065 --> 01:24:40,966

    â™ª With flowers and my love,
    both never to come back â™ª
   

1436
01:24:41,065 --> 01:24:47,033

    â™ª I see people turn their heads
    and quickly look away â™ª
   

1437
01:24:47,132 --> 01:24:53,199

    â™ª Like a newborn baby,
    it just happens every day â™ª
   

1438
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:59,199

    â™ª I look inside myself
and see my heart is black â™ª
   

1439
01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:05,199

    â™ª I see my red door and
    must have it painted black â™ª
   

1440
01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:11,233

    â™ª Maybe then I'll fade away
    and not have to face the facts â™ª
   

1441
01:25:11,332 --> 01:25:17,432

    â™ª It's not easy facing up
    when your whole world is black â™ª
   

1442
01:25:17,533 --> 01:25:23,666

    â™ª No more will my green sea
go turn a deeper blue â™ª


1443
01:25:23,765 --> 01:25:29,899

â™ª I could not foresee
this thing happening to you â™ª


1444
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,800

â™ª If I look hard enough
into the setting sun â™ª


1445
01:25:35,899 --> 01:25:41,865

â™ª My love will laugh with me
before the morning comes â™ª


1446
01:25:41,966 --> 01:25:47,932

â™ª I see a red door
and I want it painted black â™ª


1447
01:25:48,033 --> 01:25:53,966
<font color="white" face="monospace">
â™ª No colors anymore,
I want them to turn black â™ª


1448
01:25:54,065 --> 01:25:56,100

â™ª I see the girls walk by


1449
01:25:56,199 --> 01:26:00,033

â™ª Dressed in
their summer clothes â™ª


1450
01:26:00,132 --> 01:26:06,132

â™ª I have to turn my head
until my darkness goes â™ª


1451
01:26:06,233 --> 01:26:10,966

(humming)


1452
01:26:11,065 --> 01:26:12,432
<font color="white" face="monospace">
    â™ª I wanna see it painted
   

1453
01:26:12,533 --> 01:26:16,233

    â™ª Painted, painted,
    painted black â™ª
   

1454
01:26:16,332 --> 01:26:18,233

    â™ª Yeah.
   

1455
01:26:18,332 --> 01:26:42,533

    (humming)
   

1456
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:44,800

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1457
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,666

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1458
01:26:47,666 --> 01:26:51,600

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1459
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,065

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1460
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1461
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1462
01:26:56,399 --> 01:26:57,800

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1463
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1466
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1469
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1470
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1489
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