1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,160 Joe is a Traitor. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,879 And that's because on the night I tried to raise 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,839 the idea that Joe was a Traitor, 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,800 I came very close to being banished, myself. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,080 This programme contains some strong language. 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,040 You have chosen to own the game. Why? 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,439 I am... 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,960 and have always been... 9 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,480 a Traitor. Oh, fuck. 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,439 I'm so sorry. 11 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,239 It's been tearing me apart. I'm so sorry. 12 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,519 You did brilliantly. 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,200 You did. You did brilliant. 14 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,479 It's a game. 15 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:16,800 You did absolutely brilliant. That was amazing. 16 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,599 Hello, and welcome to 17 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,199 The Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked grand finale. 18 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,799 I'm Ed Gamble, and we're going to be unpacking everything from 19 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,519 that jaw-dropping last episode with all our finalists. 20 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,959 We're here at the BBC Radio Theatre with a studio audience full of our 21 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,479 all-star cast of celebrity Faithful and Traitors. 22 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,239 And how amazing do they all look? You look incredible. 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,919 Coming up, Claudia Winkleman is here to finally discuss the show 24 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,199 she usually has to avoid talking about. 25 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,199 Cat, Joe, David and Nick will be on this stage 26 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,559 to decompress from 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,199 that unbelievably stressful final day, 28 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,359 and our winner, Alan, 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,959 will be joining us to tell us what it takes to go all the way. 30 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:01,279 Get yourself comfy 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,240 because this is The Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked finale. 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,199 What a final episode. I mean, I was so stressed that I am... Well, 33 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,239 let's just say Celia would have been proud. 34 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,479 We're going to be speaking to the finalists shortly. 35 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,639 But first off, I am joined by the 36 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,120 fingerless-glove-wearing legend that is Claudia Winkleman. 37 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:28,199 Hello. Claudia, welcome. Welcome back to Uncloaked. 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,359 You've just seen that very, very tense finale. 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,199 How did you feel watching it back? 40 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,559 Um, quite emotional. 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,519 Can I just show everybody my T-shirt? 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,399 Absolutely. There he is. 43 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,199 Um, because even though obviously I was there... 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,839 Um, yes. Just watching it back, because I don't 45 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,199 watch the other ones back... So, yeah, it was a lot. 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,479 And it's just amazing that our cast are here. 47 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,999 The atmosphere in this room was electric. Yeah. 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,199 I mean, I'm not a football fan, 49 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,439 but I'd imagine this is what it feels 50 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,479 like to watch England score a big goal. 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,119 You see? It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. What was it like 52 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,199 at the time, though? 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,199 Obviously watching it back is a different experience. 54 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,559 What was it like when you were in the room for that endgame? 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,199 Well, unbelievable. I mean, 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,479 my knees were knocking because I'm incredibly nervous. 57 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,279 And, um, it is, without sounding like a total tool, it is an absolute 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,959 privilege to always be in those, uh, at those Round Tables. 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,439 But, yeah, the endgame was quite something. 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,199 And when the third green pouch went 61 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,959 in and I realised what was happening... 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,399 People have seen this now. I imagine there's already 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,199 videos going up online of pubs, 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,199 people watching it, and pints just flying in the air. 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,799 It was because you feel, I feel, so protective of them all. 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,519 You feel for them individually. 67 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,199 I love Nick because all he could just say was, "Joe!" 68 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,199 And Joe was utterly brilliant. You know, that moment he went, 69 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,279 "I've worked out who they are." It was like a pull focus. 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,199 I was like, "Watch him go." And then Cat, 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,479 who was extraordinary throughout, 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,639 was so brilliant in the Turret, and the fact they caught... 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,999 You know, the whole thing was sort of highly emotional. 74 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,319 You gave a speech to them quite early on 75 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,719 in the game about how people lie 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,199 to them all of the time, because they're celebrities. Always. 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,199 I loved that speech. Do you think that sort of 78 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,519 thing makes the game harder for celebrities? 79 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,879 Um, I don't know 80 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,479 whether it makes it harder for them, but I felt there were two things. 81 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,199 One, the Traitors were utterly brilliant, 82 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,479 and two, there was only so much they could do. 83 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,199 Um, but it is a hard game. You know, the absolute 84 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,799 star of this whole thing is the game is addictive. 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,799 It takes over. It's hard for anyone. But what I also love is 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,759 because people watch at home sometimes 87 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,999 and sometimes people will say to me, "How do they not know?" 88 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,159 You don't know. It's very easy when you're watching at home, 89 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,719 but when you're sitting there, it is almost impossible. 90 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,399 Now, I know you're very fond of everyone who played the game, 91 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,279 but I know you had a particular fondness for one player. 92 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:57,599 I'm talking about the national treasure that is Celia Imrie. 93 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,359 Oh, my gosh. What is it in particular that draws you to Celia? 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,439 She is so twinkly. 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,279 I've never met anybody that twinkly. I've always loved Celia. 96 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:09,359 So when they said, "Celia's taking part," 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,959 I was like, "Are you joking? 98 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,799 "The actual or like a tribute?" "No, the actual." 99 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,199 And I'm not allowed - I have to be like Cruella de Vil, 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,399 which I find difficult because I just wanted to go, 101 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,519 "Oh, I love your song, and you're brilliant." 102 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,719 And so I'm not allowed. I'm just, like, 103 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,319 strict and fluorescent orange. And there was one point 104 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,919 when I was standing next to Celia and just out the corner of my mouth, 105 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,039 I thought the producers wouldn't hear it, 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,719 so I just went, "Obsessed." 107 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,800 And she was like, "Thank you." 108 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,879 Celia, it's wonderful 109 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,799 to hear, you know, how much Claudia loves you. 110 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,359 But we want to know, have you got any better at snooping? 111 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,479 No. Not really. Really not. Um, I'm just... 112 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,199 Um, the thing is 113 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,199 that you said you were obsessed after I'd admitted I was two-faced. 114 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,199 That's why we were all obsessed by you. 115 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,519 Because Celia... 116 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,759 My other favourite thing that Celia did is she would say, 117 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,279 "You are dazzling," 118 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,199 and then write their name on the board. 119 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,919 It was so compelling. 120 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,199 Someone else who didn't make the final, 121 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,599 Niko, unfortunately, you went out quite early. 122 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:10,959 But how was it watching that back? 123 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,399 Do you think there was some good gameplay in there? 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,399 Um, yeah, I mean, Joe, I was very impressed with. 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,199 I just can't believe it was 126 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,559 bottled at the end at the final, in the final moment. 127 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,439 But, yeah, it's a very tough game. 128 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,399 I do feel in a way like I made it to the final 129 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,359 because I have the same name as Nick. 130 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,720 So... You were there. Yeah. So, yeah. Almost won. 131 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,199 Now, we're going to be hearing 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,439 from our finalists and our winner quite soon. 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,999 But first, Claudia, you were the hostess with the mostest, 134 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,399 and thank you so much for entertaining us week after week. 135 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:43,565 And I know you hate this bit. I hate... 136 00:06:43,589 --> 00:06:44,599 I know you hate the compliments. 137 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,759 Well, you're going to hate this bit even more 138 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,960 because let's have a look at your best bits. 139 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Tiny word of warning. Don't relax too much. 140 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,399 Tomorrow, the killing spree begins. 141 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,240 This isn't personal, but it is tradition. Oh! 142 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,679 I know you're thinking it, so I'm going to say it. 143 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,719 They've just dug their own graves. 144 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,479 Nothing like the sound of screaming celebrities. 145 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,959 Stephen Fry's in the water. I can't... 146 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,599 Faithful, you are breaking my heart. 147 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,319 You are famous. People lie to you all the time. 148 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,240 I love that show. It's a great jacket. 149 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,840 I listened to that particular podcast twice. 150 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,439 What just happened? I just farted, Claudia. 151 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,839 But I always own up. I always own up, too. 152 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,360 Well done. 153 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,199 We'll get you out with the others, shortly. 154 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,679 No immediate rush. 155 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,719 Come to me. Come on! 156 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,440 Quick, quick, quick! 157 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,799 We did it! 158 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,640 That was better than my wedding day. 159 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,640 Thank you, Claudia. Thank you. 160 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,599 Iconic as ever. Thank you, Claudia. We'll be talking to our winner, 161 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,199 Alan, soon. But with me now, 162 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,399 I'm thrilled to welcome our four runners-up, 163 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,159 Cat, Joe, David and Nick! 164 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,079 Well, we're very excited to have you 165 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,079 with us here for this very special finale. 166 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,319 Cat, let's talk about that final Round Table, 167 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,319 because going into it, you and Alan were very confident. Yeah. 168 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,679 I mean, erring on cocky, would you say? You were sort of 169 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:40,399 very sure that Joe was on your side. Yeah, we were. 170 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,799 You know, I was hoodwinked by Joe. 171 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,079 Um, I did think... I did think 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,279 that you were going to be the deciding vote, 173 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,079 because I was like... I knew Nick was going to vote for me. 174 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,679 And then I knew realistically, 175 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:55,079 David would vote for me too. So then I was like, 176 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,599 it's going to be Joe. 177 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,359 And I did think that you were going to go for David. 178 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,079 And then it was 179 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,879 when the conversation on the Round Table, it was varied, 180 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,679 but then towards the end of the conversation, 181 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,079 I was like, um, I feel like Joe's going to vote for me, 182 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,079 and you couldn't look me in the eye. 183 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,599 So that's when I was like, yeah, my time's done, 184 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,599 I had a good run, and then I got dashed. 185 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,559 But even when we were in Scotland speaking, 186 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,079 I think you were still under the impression 187 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,079 that Joe changed his mind last minute. 188 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,079 How does it feel watching it back and knowing 189 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,079 that was pretty much Joe's plan all along? 190 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,079 I think it's just fabulous television. 191 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,079 I just think it's so funny that me and Alan are like, 192 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,239 "Yeah, yeah, we've got this, we've got this." 193 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,839 And Joe's like, "I know it's them two and I'm going to get them out." 194 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,279 I just think it's great telly. 195 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,079 At what point did you start to suspect Cat? 196 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,599 Because I think from our perspective as a viewer, 197 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,919 you were sort of sniffing around some Traitors. 198 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,999 But then in that episode eight, you were like, 199 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,319 "It's Alan and Cat," and just blew everyone away. 200 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,079 Yeah, I think I worked it out on day one that it was Jonathan, 201 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,679 Cat and Alan, but I was having so much fun in there. 202 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,079 Yeah. Um, no... 203 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,479 the shield cock-ups from Jonathan and Alan, 204 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,079 they were the sort of giveaways 205 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,519 for me that I was like, "Hmm, I like shields, 206 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,799 "you don't seem to like them as much as me." 207 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,319 Now, Nick, you were suspicious of Cat from, 208 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,079 I think, episode five. Yeah. 209 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,079 But you decided to keep that to yourself. 210 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,079 Yeah. Which is a very clever plan. 211 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,079 But how do you feel about how the plan played out in the end? 212 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,079 Oh, I think I thought I was being clever, 213 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,079 and then it all just backfired a little bit. 214 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,559 I think as soon as you... 215 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,079 There was one Round Table where you voted for David 216 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,439 that felt just... 217 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,079 just didn't ring true, for some reason. 218 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,159 And I thought... 219 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,079 And at first I thought it was you and Lucy, 220 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,079 I remember thinking it was you, Lucy and Jonathan. Yeah. 221 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,079 And I thought you and Lucy were in cahoots. 222 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,359 But that was wrong. I mean, I was wrong 223 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,639 pretty much every single step of the way, in every episode, I think. 224 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,079 I don't think that's true at all. 225 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,519 I think there were people that were more wrong than you. 226 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,199 OK. And I'm naming no names. 227 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,279 David, next question for you... 228 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,559 What do you think it was about Cat's game 229 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:00,839 that meant that so few people suspected 230 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,519 her right up until the end? 231 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,319 Well, I think a number of people did suspect Cat, 232 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,479 but we did this thing where we would suspect somebody, have 233 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,519 a conversation with one other person and then totally forget 234 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,079 that at the Round Table. 235 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,799 We just kept doing the same thing. 236 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,279 We'd, you know... I think we had a conversation, 237 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,879 I think, episode five, about Cat. And then we both voted 238 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,119 for somebody else at the Round Table. 239 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,679 So there was not much... I think you voted for me. Yeah. 240 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,440 I was, yeah. That's what I meant by "somebody else". 241 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,599 Cat, the night you go into the Turret 242 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,479 to meet your fellow Traitors and you see it's Alan and Jonathan, 243 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,679 how confident are you at that point 244 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,639 that you can move through the game as a group of Traitors? 245 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,239 I just found it so funny when it was Alan, I couldn't hold it in. 246 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,079 I think... I was really confident 247 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,479 because I just thought it was quite a rogue trio. 248 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,839 Like, I really didn't expect it to be me. 249 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,799 And then when Claudia tapped me, I was like, 250 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,319 "Oh, my God, what the heck?" 251 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,639 So when I saw it was Alan, I was like... 252 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,119 when I saw it was Alan and Jonathan, I was like, 253 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,079 "I feel like we can get pretty far because Jonathan's a great talker." 254 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,159 As we could see. He got through so many Round Tables. And then Alan, 255 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,439 all he had to do was go... 256 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,839 and everyone just went, "Oh, it's not him." 257 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,279 So it was a fabulous trio. Well, yeah, 258 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,999 one of the big dogs is out the kennel. 259 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,479 Jonathan is with us here. 260 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,959 You seemed very pleased that Cat and Alan were your comrades, 261 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,559 Jonathan. Do you think it's the difference in personalities 262 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,719 that made you confident about the group? 263 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,079 I think I was just, I mean, 264 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,759 I was just happy to see someone else up there with me. 265 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,079 I mean, but, I mean, I know Cat a little bit, 266 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,679 and I knew how calm she is, and I know how she presents 267 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:38,359 as being very calm, so I thought that would be useful. 268 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,679 And when Alan came in, 269 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:42,079 I just think, you know, he's so much fun to spend time with. 270 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,079 I mean, looking back now, Alan played a far more kind 271 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,559 of tactical game than I thought he was at the time. 272 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,079 He was far cleverer with it, 273 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,079 and I knew you were very tactical as well. 274 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,525 A lot of the time, I mean, a lot of the time 275 00:12:51,549 --> 00:12:52,519 we'd go up there and I'd say, 276 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,719 "I think we should kill so-and-so." And they both talked me round, 277 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,079 and we wound up killing someone who I really thought 278 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,799 we shouldn't kill. But they had a better grasp of the game, I think, 279 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,079 really. Are you happy 280 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,079 that it was a Traitors' win in the end? 281 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,079 Oh, yeah. That's all I really wanted. 282 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,079 I mean, you know, and that's what I think is probably different 283 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,319 about this version of the game to the regular version, 284 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,079 is that it does become more like the two teams against each other, 285 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,679 but I really wanted to see one of them, or ideally two of them, 286 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:16,719 get through to the end. And you did, of course. 287 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,439 But having watched last week's episode, 288 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,799 there's no way I thought either of you were going to survive. 289 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,119 And for that, I think we do need to thank Nick. 290 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,959 You're very welcome. 291 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,719 JOE: Let's thank him, shall we? 292 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,720 I cannot, I cannot believe... 293 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,799 We'll get to it, Joe. Don't worry, we'll get to it. 294 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,999 You will have your chance to have a say. 295 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,239 The handy p collapse! 296 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,199 It's amazing being in the room with your stare. 297 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,679 It really is unsettling, Joe. My stare? Your stare, yeah. 298 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:51,079 Oh, yeah, the stare. Yeah, the stare. 299 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,960 What is the stare? It's your face! 300 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,360 Thank you. How did it feel watching the final back? Yeah, it was fine. 301 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,399 No issues whatsoever. Um, me and Nick are 302 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,479 all right. Me and David are all right. Uh, 303 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,479 just struggle to make eye contact with them from now on. 304 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,879 I mean, I was sitting in the row in front of you watching that, 305 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,719 and when you saw you get banished, 306 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,280 you did shout "scumbags" at them. Did I? 307 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,719 No, I didn't mean that. 308 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,519 I didn't mean that, I was... I just couldn't work out... 309 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,719 I still... I don't think until we spoke... I said, "What was it?" 310 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,519 And it was because I was, like you just said, 311 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,519 being polite and saying... I wasn't saying sorry to Cat 312 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,759 because I was Judas-ing her like you did me... I was so convinced. 313 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,359 I was saying sorry to Cat 314 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,679 because I really liked her and enjoyed my time together. 315 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,599 Sorry, mate. You know... When Joe... What happened? 316 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,279 When Joe and I text each other after we got out of the castle, 317 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,759 he continually refers to me as Judas, 318 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,439 and then occasionally replaces 319 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,120 the U with a heart, which is quite nice. 320 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,999 You were arguably, Joe, the most accurate Traitor hunter. 321 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,159 Mm-hm. Because you got Cat and Alan correct. 322 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,839 I mean, you were more on a Traitor safari. 323 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,999 You didn't actually hunt all of the Traitors. 324 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,799 And, of course, you were the leader of the big dog theory. 325 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,199 I mean, how did you do it? 326 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:15,999 Because you seemed to have all these brilliant theories, 327 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,199 but you couldn't quite convince everyone of them. 328 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,319 Well, yeah. 329 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,519 They were sort of stolen theories, 330 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,839 the majority. I was like, "Oh, that sounds good. That... 331 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,919 "Yeah. Yeah, we'll go with that one and then amalgamate one." 332 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,279 And then trying to convince the rest of the players to get round it 333 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,279 was a lot harder than I thought. 334 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,839 Kate, why do you think people latched on to the big dog theory 335 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,999 and not other theories, for example, the sun-dried tomato theory? 336 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,959 I can't... I can't imagine. 337 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,279 I'm genuinely flabbergasted that they didn't go with... 338 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,319 I mean, the sun-dried tomato - 339 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,759 it's very, very common in criminal law, 340 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:58,959 the sun-dried tomato theory. 341 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,279 So, yeah, it's weird, isn't it? 342 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,719 David, I want to ask you about that final Round Table, 343 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,479 because obviously it came to two apiece for you and Cat. 344 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,479 You'd obviously had a lot of suspicion on you... Yeah. 345 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,879 Throughout the game, 346 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,919 including that incredibly tense Round Table with Mark. Yeah. 347 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,279 Yeah, I remember. 348 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,479 Did you think that this was it for you? 349 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,039 Did you think your luck had finally run out? 350 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,639 I was mainly thinking that this was our kind of last chance 351 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,999 to try to get a Traitor. 352 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,479 I wasn't really thinking about me getting voted out, 353 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,079 and I had come round to that point by talking to Nick in particular, 354 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,959 thinking it was Cat. 355 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,479 So I was mainly focused on - can we get a Traitor? 356 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,519 Joe's grand plan went up in flames, sadly. Sorry, Joe. 357 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,639 How did it feel in that moment when David and Nick voted for you? 358 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,319 Cos you seemed genuinely surprised. 359 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,999 I think you'd been amazing throughout the game of putting on 360 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,479 a face and really, really sort of psyching people out 361 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,399 a little bit and maintaining this character. 362 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,039 And you're doing it to me now, and I know what you're doing, Joe. 363 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,479 But in that moment, 364 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,799 you seemed to drop everything, and you were genuinely surprised. 365 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,359 I was... 366 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,679 It was a combination of, like, gutted. 367 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,999 I was like, "Oh, no, I really... 368 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,479 "Like, this has backfired, massively. 369 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,639 "What have I got wrong?" 370 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,039 And then I just wanted... I was desperate to get out 371 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,479 and go, "Right, where's Cat? 372 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,279 "I need, like, to see you." I knew you were a Traitor, 373 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,959 but I was like, "I just need to see you." 374 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,919 I'm sorry I voted you. Even though it was a Traitor, 375 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,559 it was... Yeah, it was a surprise. 376 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,519 But there's no hard feelings at all cos, ultimately, 377 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,919 it was just a really, really big, fun game. 378 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,159 You'd said you had some suspicions over Alan. 379 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,879 I did. And then you didn't vote for him. 380 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,399 You didn't vote to carry on the game. 381 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,079 I didn't vote... I didn't vote for Alan once 382 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,679 in the whole show, I think. 383 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,719 But going into that endgame, you were like, 384 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,879 "I've got some suspicion." 385 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,199 And the way the game works is that 386 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,119 if no-one's saying whether they're Traitor or Faithful, 387 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:46,039 the safe thing to do would be to carry the game on. 388 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,759 Yeah. But you didn't. You didn't do that. 389 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,199 Can you talk us through the thought process? 390 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,119 I just don't know what I was thinking. 391 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,119 I feel like... 392 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,759 Alan's just very... 393 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,919 Alan is incredibly persuasive because he is so relaxed 394 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,839 and he is so Alan and he's so... 395 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,039 He was just so convincing throughout the whole game. 396 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,199 And I just was like, "You know what? I think... 397 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,359 "I think we've got it. 398 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:10,479 "I think we've now just got that final Traitor," 399 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,479 which I believed to be Joe at that point. 400 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,719 How did it feel watching the final back? 401 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,199 It was... I mean, I was sat behind you, so... 402 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,079 I was just an absolute wreck. 403 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,199 It's so great. It's such great telly. 404 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,479 Can I...? Big shout-out. 405 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,599 I don't know the name of who composes the score, 406 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,080 but the score is absolutely phenomenal. Yes! Yeah. 407 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,959 Because it is... It is so... 408 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,719 It feels like you're watching a Marvel movie or something. 409 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,479 It is just cliff-hanger, suspense, release, suspension, tense... 410 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,719 It is all the emotions, and that last, yeah, 411 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,479 that last 15, 20 minutes, 412 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,479 I was just clinging on to Joe and shouting at Cat. 413 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,719 It was brilliant, Nick. 414 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,759 Me and Nick bumped into each other in town the other day 415 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,479 and he dragged me down a dark alley. 416 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,999 It was very Traitors-esque. 417 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,399 He dragged me down a dark alley and went, 418 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,039 "Everyone's going to hate me." 419 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,960 But we don't hate him, do we, at all? No! 420 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,719 That wasn't everyone. OK. 421 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,800 Was about 30%. God! 422 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,999 And then came the time to reveal your identities. 423 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,439 But before we discuss that with our winner, Alan, 424 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,199 I have my own reveal to do. 425 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,479 I've been teasing on Uncloaked 426 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,599 about my secret cameo in the main show, 427 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,319 and have been telling you at home to watch out for my Easter Ed. 428 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,719 Did you spot me? 429 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,520 Well, I can now exclusively reveal where I was hiding. 430 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,519 For me, the only time I saw you ever intimidated in the game, 431 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,799 Joe, do you remember the mission in the cabin? 432 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,479 Mmm. So as you approach, there's druids lining the path. 433 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,519 Yes. And then there's one druid in the middle. 434 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,839 They swing your door open 435 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,479 and pull you out of the car. Pulled me out the car. 436 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,399 You seemed very scared by that guy. 437 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,439 My adrenaline did spike. Yeah. 438 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,679 And I was like, "I'm going for this one." 439 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,999 From what I could tell, the druid wasn't scared of you at all. 440 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,919 And he did... He did really, really well. 441 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,239 He did do really well. Yeah. 442 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,159 Even though he's not normally a druid. 443 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,199 What's that f... What... 444 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,479 Would you like to tell me... 445 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,759 Yes... who was that druid? 446 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,919 Me. I was the druid. 447 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,479 You were that druid?! I was that druid, yeah. 448 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,799 Are you taking... 449 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,359 Are you taking the mick? 450 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:13,679 I was the druid. 451 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,280 I was ready to fill you in. 452 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,639 Cos you kept going... You kept going, 453 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,999 "Oh, you're just going to touch me, are you?" 454 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,520 This is so good! 455 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,999 Yes. I wasn't the drummer from episode eight. 456 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,679 I was, in fact, a druid. 457 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,199 Nick, you were the other person I dragged from the Land Rover there. 458 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,399 Yeah. Yep. Do you want to...? I mean, we did tell you, 459 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,999 we did film a reveal. Do you want to tell everyone what happened 460 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,879 when I revealed to you that I was the druid? 461 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,759 Well, from memory, I mean, 462 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,479 I knew that it was you right from the start 463 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,959 cos I could see your eyes. 464 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,199 And Ed and I were at uni together. 465 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,479 I was slightly after him. 466 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,759 And so I've known Ed for ages. 467 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,159 I was like, "Well, that's Ed." 468 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,759 I was gutted when you told me. 469 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,239 I was so excited to reveal it to you. 470 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,319 And it was a... There was a real, actually, sense of relief. 471 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,279 I was like, "Oh, one of my friends is here!" 472 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,479 It was really... It was really nice. 473 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,319 But, yeah, I mean, I knew it was you instantly. 474 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,719 Well, now's the time you've all been waiting for. 475 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,999 After sweating and worrying he'd be worse than Linda 476 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,919 to cold-bloodedly killing his friends, 477 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,919 our winner, Alan, is about to join me. 478 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,399 But first, here's the moment he spoke to me in the castle 479 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,359 just after he pulled the charity prize money 480 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,440 from underneath Nick and David's noses. 481 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,439 Here he is. 482 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,559 Hello. How are you? Oh, the winner! 483 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,720 The winner. You! Oh. 484 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,399 Welcome to Uncloaked, Alan. 485 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,039 Oh, thanks for having me, Ed. 486 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,639 Congratulations, the winner. 487 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,519 I know, it still hasn't sunk in. 488 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,479 It's insane, isn't it? It is insane. 489 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,319 When Claudia initially selected you as a Traitor, 490 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,679 did you ever in your wildest dreams see yourself at that endgame 491 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,599 and winning the whole of the show? 492 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,279 No, no, no, no, no. I did not even think I would get this far. 493 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,999 My agent, this is a little exclusive, 494 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,079 had actually booked in things for the second week... 495 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,799 because he said, 496 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,839 "Alan," he said, "with your poker face, 497 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,919 "you'll be out two days in." 498 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,279 And I actually believed him. 499 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,719 And that's even before you knew 500 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,679 whether you were a Traitor or a Faithful, 501 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,239 you'd just assumed, whichever you were, 502 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,959 you were going to go out early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 503 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,679 I mean, I'm like that when I go through customs - 504 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,279 I start sweating. You know, when I go into a newsagent's 505 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,839 and it says, "No shoplifting," 506 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,999 I'm like, "Oh," like that. You know? 507 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,919 It's just... I just feel like I'm guilty, 508 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,639 and I've got the worst poker face going. 509 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,919 I mean, it's like a tug-of-war with my face. 510 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,119 That endgame, as well, felt like the first time 511 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,279 that we saw serious Alan in the game. Yeah. 512 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,359 Yeah. Was that a challenge? 513 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,479 Did you suddenly feel different at that endgame? 514 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,999 I did feel different. 515 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,839 And it's that weird irony - 516 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,679 the more missions you do, 517 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,319 the more you spend time with people, 518 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,599 you are like a family, and that's cheesy and bleurgh! 519 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,479 But it is true because when you see the money behind, I mean, 520 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,999 £87,500 for a charity, 521 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,559 that's when, yeah, "Come on, Alan, stop giggling." 522 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,279 Celia said something lovely to me before I murdered her. 523 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,439 She said... 524 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,879 She said, "Alan, you're surprising. 525 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,799 "You surprised me the way you ran across that bridge." 526 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,519 And I thought, 527 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,479 "Well, that's the best you can do, is surprise yourself." 528 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,079 So, yeah. Alan, are you proud of how well you played the game? 529 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,279 So proud. Really, really proud. 530 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,479 I found out about myself - 531 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,479 I can be a chameleon, 532 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,479 I can chat to people, I can lie, I can... 533 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,279 When the pressure's on, I can do it. 534 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,279 When Stephen Fry talks or David talks, 535 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,479 I go quiet. 536 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,479 I'm not worthy, I'm not intelligent. 537 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,199 But maybe sometimes you do need to question, 538 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,839 stand up for yourself and go, 539 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,799 "Actually, I think this." 540 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,479 Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. 541 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,639 I think, well, I think you winning has absolutely proved that. 542 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,079 Yeah. Idiots can do well. 543 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,399 The winner of the first UK Celebrity Traitors, 544 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,079 it's Alan Carr! 545 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,520 There it is. 546 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,959 Alan, congratulations again. 547 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,319 What a huge triumph. 548 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,879 Is it fair to say that no-one is more shocked than you 549 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,239 that you managed to pull this off? 550 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,479 I am so shocked. And it is true what I said. 551 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,239 I had to ring up my... the woman who was dog-sitting my dogs 552 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,239 because I thought I'd be back after two days. 553 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,039 And I said, "You've got them for another week." 554 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,479 And it just kept getting more and more and more. 555 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,999 Completely surprised. 556 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,479 I don't know how this happened! 557 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,399 I really don't. 558 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,119 Look, and when we were watching it back, 559 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,759 you got a big standing ovation right at the end there. 560 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,839 Oh, I know, I know. It's so amazing. 561 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,759 I feel... I do feel bad for doing it, 562 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,359 but I mean, what can you do? 563 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,479 It's... You know, I mean, I felt bad. Yeah! 564 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,719 But you played the game and you were incredible at it. I know. 565 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,359 I know, I know. I know. 566 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,679 How did it feel watching the endgame back? 567 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,319 Oh, God. So emotional. 568 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,199 I mean, me crying as well! 569 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,479 I mean, cos I couldn't remember how - 570 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,759 cos Joe was onto us, 571 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,199 and I couldn't remember how you got voted out, 572 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,239 but then I lied and said you'd told us all to vote for David, 573 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,439 and I'd forgotten I'd lied! 574 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,919 What have I become? 575 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,679 You did quite a lot of lying, actually, Alan. 576 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,679 I did loads of lying! And I started loving it. 577 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,799 I just hope there's not, like, a murder in my street. 578 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,319 You know what I mean? I open the door. "Hello, officer." 579 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,480 "I didn't see anything." 580 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,839 So, yeah. I mean, it just comes really naturally to me. 581 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,679 I mean, yeah. 582 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,159 Can we talk... Can we talk about your journey 583 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,239 from sweaty Alan to serial killer Alan? 584 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,639 Yes, please. 585 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,159 What was the moment that you dried out and thought, 586 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,639 "I can do this"? 587 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,519 Well, it was when I... 588 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,039 When I killed Paloma... 589 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,039 I... Give me a break! 590 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,519 Because the thing is, when I killed Paloma, yeah, 591 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399 I felt sick inside. 592 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,959 And you've got to remember, 593 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,799 it was such a cruel twist to touch someone's face. 594 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,319 Now you're the only... Maybe... And Jonathan was a Traitor. 595 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,399 I couldn't do it. I mean, if I touched any of these other faces, 596 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,879 I'd be sent to HR, you know? 597 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,639 "Oh, Ruth. Hello!" 598 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,839 You know, I can't, so... 599 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,759 And then when she came down for breakfast the next day, 600 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,759 I went, "Oh." Cos I felt so sick, I thought, 601 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,599 "Oh, good, she hasn't been murdered." 602 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,439 I was so pleased. "Lovely." 603 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,719 And then we go outside, 604 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,119 you're dressed as Queen Victoria. 605 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,919 We then go to a funeral. 606 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,559 I then see one of my best friends put in a coffin 607 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,319 and sent off. I went, "This is not going well. 608 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,399 "This is not what I wanted." You know? 609 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,279 But then I got a taste for it. 610 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,559 I couldn't stop. Yeah. 611 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,599 And then after I killed Paloma, then I got all the gays getting... 612 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,319 Because of when we killed Tom Daley. 613 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,079 "Oh, great, Alan, 614 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,799 "killing off all the eye candy." I'm like, "Hello?" 615 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,999 And... 616 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,479 And then... 617 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,239 And then I saw him in the shower soaping himself up. Yeah. 618 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,879 And I thought, "Argh! I killed too soon." 619 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,000 "Maybe one more week, maybe one more week." 620 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,600 But then, you go... 621 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,319 I think it's fair to say there are a few moments 622 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,919 throughout your time on the show where we might have thought, 623 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,079 as viewers, "I'm not sure if Alan can pull this off." 624 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,119 One of them was certainly when you had to say, 625 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,479 "I am a Faithful," to everyone... Oh, my God. 626 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,719 And laughed halfway through. 627 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,479 How do you adjust your game plan after things like that? 628 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,799 And do you adjust your game plan? 629 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,079 Well, I thought I was finished then. 630 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,399 I thought I was finished 631 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,359 when I went, "I'm... Faithful!" 632 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:49,759 I thought, "Oh, that's it." 633 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,839 And then Joe was onto me. 634 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,479 And, yeah, I just sort of gave up, really. 635 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,199 But I'm... But that's one thing I found out about myself. 636 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,479 I am like a bit of a pushover. 637 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,199 But when Joe is onto me, 638 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,399 I'm like one of those cats you get in Greece. 639 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,119 You know, those ones that are like... You go, "Oh, hello." 640 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,199 You know, you go, "Oh, hello! You look quite cu..." 641 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,479 Claudia, did you ever doubt Alan's ability to pull this off? 642 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,879 Yeah. 643 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,679 Erm... 644 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,479 No, erm, I can say... 645 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,119 I hope you don't mind this. 646 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,119 But Alan started as Linda and ended as Harry. Mmm. 647 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,399 He had an extraordinary - because at the beginning, 648 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,759 when you came up to me, 649 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,719 "I'm... I can't do it." 650 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,279 And he was like, "I'm sweating, I can't keep a straight face." 651 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,199 But he was absolutely... 652 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,839 A, you're utterly brilliant, 653 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,479 incredibly clever and totally consistent. 654 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,279 So Alan was Alan. And if you didn't suspect him from day one, it's Alan. 655 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,679 He can't say, "I'm a Faithful," 656 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,199 he's forgotten he's had a shield. 657 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,199 My favourite Alan moment, almost, was you talking to Celia. 658 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,839 And Celia said, "Can I trust you?" 659 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,999 And you went, "You can trust me." 660 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,679 And you had snakes all over your top! 661 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,999 And I was like, "It's right there, guys." 662 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,479 But it's interesting. 663 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,119 I thought, I'm quite happy, at the beginning, to be a Faithful. 664 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,159 And then, of course, when you're sitting there 665 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,039 and you've got the blindfold on and you pick... 666 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,599 I mean, I don't know what shoes you're wearing, 667 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,159 but you sounded like a shire horse. 668 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,399 I get a bit flamenco. 669 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,959 And then when you went round and didn't touch me, 670 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,679 there was a little bit like, 671 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,999 "Oh, OK, I'm going to be a Faithful. That's fine." 672 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,039 So I realised deep inside, I probably did want to be a Traitor. 673 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,559 And then of course, you come around again 674 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,799 and then when you squeezed my shoulders I was like, "Oh, my God." 675 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,079 But you were so sweet. 676 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,879 Cos those chats I have with everyone, 677 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,319 they're much longer than you see. 678 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,799 And as I said, there are some people who just don't even... 679 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,319 Mark, like, "I only want to be a Faithful." 680 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,159 Erm, and many others. 681 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,919 And then, you going, "Did you really say that?" 682 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,679 I was like... That, literally, word for word is what you said. 683 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,279 Erm... And you said, "Yeah, I want to be a Traitor." 684 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,639 And then burst out laughing and we were like, "Oh, yeah, fun." 685 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,599 I think if I did have a strategy, I think it was... Look at me now, 686 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,799 now I've won, I've got a strategy! 687 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,119 I think what I did was I picked one... 688 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,879 I mean, if I was pushed to do a strategy, like with Clare, 689 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,279 I wouldn't let her go about the lever. 690 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,679 Yes. And then with Mark, you know when you get all Braveheart - 691 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,519 "I want to win!" - like that? 692 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,759 I said, "Why are you being all like this?" 693 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,359 And then poor old Kate, I was making out she was 694 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,799 Goldie Hawn, this dizzy blonde. 695 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,199 I just kept saying to people, "Why? Why? You know, 696 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,399 "she's a broadcaster. She's live on the telly every morning. Why?" 697 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,679 That's what I was doing. I mean, 698 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,999 have you seen that brilliant thing on social media - 699 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,119 Kate Garraway repeats everything - have you seen it? 700 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,559 "Someone's been recruited." "Someone's been recruited!" 701 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,639 "Sun-dried tomatoes." "Sun-dried tomatoes!" 702 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,399 But, I mean, I think if I had a strategy, I just picked one thing 703 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,519 and really went, "Oh, I don't know about them. 704 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,639 "They give me the heebie-jeebies." I mean, 705 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,839 I hate to bang on too much about the Trojan Horse mission, 706 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,559 but I do want to chat to you a little bit, Clare. 707 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,079 Are you still... Are you still kicking yourself 708 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,639 for pulling the lever? Oh, God, yes, 709 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,679 and will do for a very long time. It was awful. As Alice, my wife, 710 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,439 said to me, "For God's sake, there would have been no-one left onstage! 711 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,279 "26?! What were you thinking?!" I was like, 712 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,119 well, I just thought, start high and come down, 713 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,239 because we'll get more chances. They're working it out, 714 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,039 Mark and Stephen are working it out, 715 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,079 and I'll just start trying. 716 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,879 And I was conscious of time. By the way, 717 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,799 it makes total sense. Yeah. It makes total sense. 718 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,999 Normally... You're very sweet. No, but when you see 719 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,919 those kinds of locks - you know, like a padlock? - 720 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,239 you have a couple of goes. That's what you did... Yeah. 721 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,999 On the train, in fact. So it made total sense to me. No, 722 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,399 I still feel really bad about it. And then I sort of shrank. 723 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,279 But somebody talked to me the other day about it, 724 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,319 and he's a legal advocate, and he said, 725 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,279 "Although you made the mistake, at least you did put your hand up 726 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,879 "straight away and go, 'Oh, my God, I am so sorry.'" 727 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,039 And then Charlotte gave her shield up straight away, 728 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,679 for which she didn't get enough credit, 729 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,319 so I'm giving her credit now. Yes. 730 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,799 And we carried on and we still won the mission. 731 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,879 So actually, it didn't cost, it didn't cost us anything money-wise. 732 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,359 Yeah. I just looked a major tit, 733 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,359 so I'm happy to take that for the team. I'll just take the idiot, 734 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,799 you know, mantle. No, you weren't. No-one thinks that, Clare. 735 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,799 Mark, I've just noticed you're wearing a T-shirt, though. 736 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,839 Will you tell us what the T-shirt says? 737 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,919 It says, "Jonathan Fucking Ross". 738 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,039 I... I would like to say I have given him one too... 739 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,839 Oh, right, OK, good! ..as his early 740 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,359 Christmas present. That's brilliant! 741 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,759 We have to talk about that final mission, 742 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,279 because that was amazing. It looked incredible. 743 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,919 The explosion at the end. Cat, 744 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,959 how much did you enjoy that final mission? 745 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,719 Your one last chance to get money for the pot. 746 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,319 It was really fun. I mean, 747 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,079 if I'm being honest, I really probably didn't do anything. 748 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,999 It was mainly Joe. As I was to, like, grab something, 749 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,999 then I saw the, like, having to take off the thing off the coffin, 750 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,279 and I was like, "Oh, that's going to hurt my hands!" 751 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,479 That's why you did it. 752 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,279 You just sort of did everything and I was like, "Oh, yay! The boys 753 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,519 "are doing things." What about...? 754 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,279 I think my favourite moment of that mission, though, 755 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,919 was Nick dropping the lid on Joe's head... Oh! 756 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,199 Repeatedly, and I just hope 757 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,959 you are friends now. NICK: It was a precursor of 758 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,399 what was to come, really, I think. Yeah. I should have known then. 759 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,439 Three times, mate! Three times. 760 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,159 It sounds really loud when you watch it back as well. 761 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,239 Oh, it was. I mean, it literally was a wooden lid 762 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,799 dropping on his head repeatedly... 763 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,559 Yeah... while we were basically watching the new Chuckle Brothers! 764 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,159 Incredible! 765 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,919 Alan, you forgot you had a shield and, obviously, Joe, 766 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,799 Joe picked up on this. Mm. 767 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,359 Joe, why do you think no-one else got on board with this? 768 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,399 Because it seemed to be one of the clearest bits of evidence 769 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,279 you had that Alan was a Traitor. 770 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,359 Again, a combination of not really backing myself to convince everyone, 771 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,439 but also, I was madly in love with Alan as well. Yeah. 772 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,319 Like, even when I went after him 773 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,119 and he came back at me like the Greek cat, 774 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,799 I then was like, 775 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,759 "Oh, bless!" 776 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,519 I was like, "Mm, OK, fair enough." 777 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,479 So, yeah, I think there might have been something inside me 778 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,879 that was like, "I quite like Alan still being in the game." 779 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,919 Because we were duped, weren't we? He was being 780 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,639 really friendly to us, weren't he? Yeah. And we were like, we couldn't 781 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,039 believe our luck, because Joe was coming and sitting with us, going, 782 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,839 "I think it's Nick and David." We thought we'd won. 783 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,479 And we're like, "Yeah, Joe, yeah!" Yeah. High-fiving and all that. 784 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,759 And then... That bit where you went, "Oh, bless him!" as I walked off - 785 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,239 and I've only just seen that - I went, "Oh, OK. I see." 786 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:35,599 But then when you put Cat on the sleigh, 787 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,599 I couldn't... I mean, that was like 788 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,239 a punch in the stomach. Yeah. Mm. 789 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:42,719 That was... I was like, "Don't leave me here! Don't leave me here!" 790 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:45,599 Nick and David, obviously, neither of you 791 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,399 went for Alan in the end. What is it about Alan Carr 792 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,359 that made you eventually decide he was a Faithful? 793 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,999 Alan could have come down to breakfast 794 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,919 in a green cloak and I still wouldn't have thought 795 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,199 he was a Traitor! 796 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,999 I... I just thought someone who was a Traitor 797 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,919 would look a bit less guilty the whole time. And you just... 798 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,079 Alan was being himself. And also, it's, you know, it's the thing, 799 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,719 you just made me laugh the whole time. 800 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,719 Aw, that's very sweet! Yeah. I was too busy laughing... 801 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,159 Aw! ..to be suspicious. 802 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,359 NICK: I think it's something that... 803 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,599 I think it's something... I think it's something that Tom said, 804 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,479 actually, really, really early on, was that 805 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,519 comedians, or some of the stand-ups, 806 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,479 could sort of slightly deflect by just making you laugh... 807 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,759 CAT: I said that. Was it you said that? 808 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,919 Yeah. Sorry, Cat. I apologise. And it's so true. 809 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,479 And actually, Alan was just 810 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,519 being Alan and is so hilarious, like, inherently hilarious, 811 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,279 that it just completely threw us off 812 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,959 at every single point. Were you worried about 813 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,679 the way Alan was acting, though, Cat? Because we saw loads of 814 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,719 moments where you just had to tell him to be quiet! 815 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,879 Yeah, but... Even at the last, even on the last episode, just going, 816 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,999 "Please, don't, don't shout." I was shocked when I was cutting up 817 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,199 that lemon and I watched it on the telly. Yeah. 818 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,279 "WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, CAT?!" 819 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,719 I didn't think I was that loud. I feel like after a few days in, 820 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,159 or a few episodes in, I was kind of like, the best, like, 821 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,959 exactly what I said to Nick, comedians, the best way 822 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,639 to disarm people is make them laugh. So people would be suspicious 823 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,559 of Alan and then say something to him and he'd just make them laugh, 824 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,359 and then they'd go, "Oh, ha-ha! Never mind!" So I was like, 825 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,559 Alan's never going to get caught, because no-one 826 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,879 could think that he could do it. I mean, even with Jonathan, I went, 827 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,479 "I did it." 828 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,199 Yeah! Yeah! Yes. By the fire pit. "I did it." Yeah. Yeah. 829 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,519 Jonathan said, 830 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,199 "I'm going to have to have a word with him about that." 831 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,319 Alan, that final... that final Round Table, 832 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,039 when you saw that Joe had switched the vote 833 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,919 that you thought he was going to do and he voted for Cat, 834 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,440 what are you feeling in that moment? 835 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,359 Oh, I mean, yeah, I was shocked. Like I said, I thought 836 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,479 he was... I thought we'd really got him. 837 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,719 And then, yeah, and then I did... 838 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,559 It was like a punch in the stomach. I felt physically sick. 839 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,479 And then I felt so alone 840 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,439 because, you know, we were a great team together. Mm. So, 841 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,879 yeah. Yeah, it was... Really, 842 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,119 you did pull the rug from... And he'd been so sweet, 843 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,639 so lovely and all that. But did you think you were, like...? 844 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,519 Did you think Nick was then going to vote against you as well, then? 845 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,879 Or did you think...? I didn't really... 846 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,799 You know, I just didn't really think. 847 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,479 I don't... 848 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,759 I don't know. It was quite emotional for you at the end, though. 849 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,679 We saw you go quiet. Oh, well, all the lying and all that, 850 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,119 it all just came bubbling up and it was, er... 851 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,119 Yeah, and then, I think, you know, about getting... 852 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,239 But, you know, the charity I picked... I mean, I'm not... 853 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:31,199 I don't want to... But, you know, listen, 854 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,719 the charity I picked is a really great charity 855 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,599 and I know that that money is going to do them so much good. 856 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,639 Yeah. So that was there. I was thinking about 857 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,079 all the lovely people I'd murdered. 858 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,319 I felt bad, and then it all came up. 859 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,159 And then when I saw that green come up, I was like, 860 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,479 "Oh, my God!" And then I got the choke, like that. 861 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,479 And then I thought, "Oh, God!" And then... I mean, 862 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,159 your reactions when it came out. Let's remind 863 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,800 ourselves of that emotional moment. 864 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,999 Oh... It's been tearing me apart. 865 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,520 I'm so sorry. 866 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,599 DAVID: You did brilliantly, Alan. 867 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,959 You did brilliant. You did brilliant. 868 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,079 You did brilliant. It's a game, 869 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,279 and you played it brilliantly. You did brilliant. It's a game. 870 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,839 So... What you didn't... 871 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,359 What you didn't see, I turned into that Greek cat and bit him! 872 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,159 Alan, you said there it was tearing you apart. It was. 873 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,919 Cat, can I ask you - as someone who watched Alan 874 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,159 write the murdered player's name every single night on the scroll - 875 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,719 did you feel like it was tearing him apart? 876 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,959 No. Honestly, like, walking around that castle, 877 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,199 seeing how stressed Alan was all the time, 878 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,319 I was like, how does nobody see that it's this man? 879 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,119 The only one that could kind of see was Clare. Yeah. And I was like, 880 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,199 if I was a Faithful, I would have gone to Clare quite early on 881 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,319 and gone, "I think the same thing as you, but let's not 882 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,799 "say anything until a bit later. 883 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,679 "Let's round up some numbers." And I think that's why you ended up, 884 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,959 like, going. But I just... 885 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,199 He was so nervous throughout. 886 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,279 So when, like, when I saw you cry, I just started crying... 887 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,479 Oh! ..because I was just like, "Oh, Alan!" 888 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,079 I mean, I just wanted to climb inside that suit of armour 889 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,839 that's in the hallway. 890 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,639 Just close the thing down and just... Do you know what I mean? 891 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,519 Just leave me alone, everyone! What about you, David? In that moment 892 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,359 that Alan got emotional, you ran over to comfort him. 893 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,759 How are you feeling? Well, it was such a genuine moment. 894 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,119 It just poured out of Alan. 895 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,839 And it was... It snapped us out of that thing. You know, 896 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,399 this is a game. And the genuine nature of Alan's response 897 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,799 just made us... You know, the obvious, the human thing to do 898 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,079 was to, you know, give him a hug and say, "It's a game and you won. 899 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,599 "You did brilliantly." Now, Alan, before we go, 900 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,279 there's a bit of "unfinished business", 901 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,919 to quote you. We've heard from Paloma on Uncloaked, 902 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,479 but we want to hear - how was it, murdering your good friend? 903 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,319 It was... 904 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,039 Oh, God! 905 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,359 He can't even do it! It was so awful. 906 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,599 It was so awful. And it was weird because, you know, I love, you know, 907 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,679 I'm a fan of her music, I've been a fan of hers for ages, 908 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,399 you know, we are friends, we go on each other's podcasts. 909 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,479 So, yeah, it absolutely really hurt. 910 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,319 It really did. Now, with the nation watching, do you think it's time 911 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,679 for an apology? I mean, Paloma's sat right there. 912 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,839 I am so sorry. 913 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,399 You know I am. And I want to tell everyone 914 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,559 that I'm the father of her child. 915 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,599 It was great... We had... We had a make-up hug. 916 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,519 One thing led to another! 917 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,839 I have been known to turn people, 918 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,639 and it was an enjoyable experience for both of us, I hope. 919 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,319 But I just also want to say that I think observing tonight 920 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,119 and going through my whole plethora of hormonal emotions, 921 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,679 I feel that the reason why Alan won 922 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,479 and the reason why I was so sad was because 923 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,439 we all love him so much. 924 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,159 Oh. And I... I love you so much, and I'm so happy that you won 925 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,599 because it was bloody worth it, then. Yeah. 926 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,759 But I think that most people didn't vote for you because they're like, 927 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,999 how can we vote someone that's so lovable? 928 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,359 And it really concludes that thing, that you won it, 929 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,199 you hurt me and I loved you, 930 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,759 but... Only love can hurt like that, though! Yeah. 931 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,639 Only love can hurt like this, and... 932 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,439 Yeah, and I just think he won it because everyone loves him, 933 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,799 and the nation loves him, and I'm just really happy that he won. 934 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,559 Sorry for rubbing it in by putting your head on the coffin, 935 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,359 by the way. It doesn't look anything like me. 936 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,119 On reflection, 937 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,519 how do you think the experience has changed you? 938 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,399 Oh, my God, I absolutely loved it! 939 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,359 I absolutely loved it. We spent the whole time, didn't we, laughing? 940 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,919 And it was absolutely joyous. 941 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,359 And honestly... Would I do it again? Of course I'd do it again! 942 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,399 I think people would know if I turned up again! 943 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,039 "Cooee!" I don't think that act... 944 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,159 "Oh, hello. Don't mind me. What am I like?!" 945 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,639 I don't think it would work... 946 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,559 No... a second time! You would be out before the first Round Table. 947 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,479 I know, I know, I know! There is no way that's working again. 948 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,319 I know, but it was wonderful. I loved it. 949 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,199 And the response has just been amazing. 950 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,239 I'm cracking up at all the memes. And it's just weird, 951 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,639 I've never... Of all the shows I've done, I've never 952 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,759 had anything like this. You know, people going past 953 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,799 on a bike, "Traitor! Who are you murdering now?!" 954 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,559 So it has been absolutely amazing. I recommend it, it's wonderful. 955 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,119 Well, look, you've been incredible. We've had iconic line 956 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,279 after iconic line. Particular favourites, 957 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,719 "Kate Gone-away. I'm worse than Linda. 958 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,519 "You can't suspect someone just because they've got 959 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,999 "a better vocabulary than you. 960 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,399 "What's a knighthood when you're dead?" 961 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,119 Oh, God! 962 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,159 And of course, and this is my favourite, 963 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,359 "If Kate doesn't come down for breakfast, people will just think 964 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,799 "she's gone into a broom cupboard by mistake!" 965 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,200 KATE: You're so right! 966 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,159 And, Alan, I'm giving you an opportunity now to right a wrong, 967 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,359 to pull something off properly. 968 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,159 Can you look us all in the eye 969 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,840 and tell us that you're a Faithful, please? 970 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,679 Ha-ha-ha! 971 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,719 Ha! 972 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,159 I'm a Faithful! Yes! 973 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,480 Alan Carr! 974 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,680 Thank you so much. 975 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,999 Thanks to all of you. 976 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,439 You've brought us so much entertainment this series. 977 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,719 You've been incredible. The first series of Celebrity Traitors 978 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,479 was absolutely epic. A massive round of applause, please, 979 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,719 for our finalists, Claudia 980 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,719 and the Faithful and Traitors from this series! 981 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,919 The chat continues in your 982 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,399 BBC Sounds bonus episode, 983 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,839 where I'll be chatting more to Claudia, Alan, Cat, 984 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,439 Joe, David and Nick. We'll be hearing about the most surprising 985 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,999 friendships in the castle, the players' favourite missions 986 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,919 and which celebrities were the most different from what they expected. 987 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,159 That's in your BBC Sounds app right now. 988 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,559 Scan the QR code on-screen 989 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,599 to get your final Celebrity Traitors fix. 990 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,799 If you've watched this and thought you'd be better at 991 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,119 catching the Traitors - let's be honest, not difficult - 992 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,159 good news, casting for Series Five is open. 993 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,679 Head to bbc.co.uk/takepart to apply. 994 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,239 So, there it is, the end of the first series 995 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,359 of Celebrity Traitors. 19 celebs, two murders in plain sight, 996 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,959 a lot of screaming down a well, 997 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,239 one mysterious druid and a fart heard around the world! 998 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,599 Thank you for watching this series of Uncloaked. 999 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,319 We'll be back before you know it for Traitors Series Four. 1000 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,279 But for now, I'm Ed Gamble. 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