1 00:00:35,964 --> 00:00:38,445 I should just burn White House down with Mum and Dad in it. 2 00:00:39,765 --> 00:00:41,325 Jeremy. 3 00:00:41,365 --> 00:00:43,604 Don't do that. 4 00:00:43,645 --> 00:00:44,804 It would be such a waste, 5 00:00:44,844 --> 00:00:46,405 to burn down such a beautiful old house. 6 00:00:47,484 --> 00:00:49,325 Guess I'll have to think of something else. 7 00:00:51,244 --> 00:00:52,924 I thought he was joking. 8 00:00:52,965 --> 00:00:55,164 One of his awful jokes. 9 00:00:55,204 --> 00:00:57,045 Tonight's the night, Jules. 10 00:00:57,085 --> 00:01:00,085 I've just had dinner with them all. It's the perfect chance. 11 00:01:00,125 --> 00:01:02,244 So you're saying Jeremy killed them? 12 00:01:02,284 --> 00:01:04,524 And not Sheila? 13 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:06,765 Sheila was murdered. 14 00:01:06,804 --> 00:01:08,765 Same as the others. 15 00:01:08,804 --> 00:01:10,365 You stay quiet all this time. 16 00:01:10,405 --> 00:01:12,284 And a couple of days after he dumps you, 17 00:01:12,325 --> 00:01:14,885 you finally come forward and drop him in it. 18 00:01:14,924 --> 00:01:16,605 One thing about Julie. 19 00:01:16,644 --> 00:01:19,685 She has a very fertile imagination. 20 00:04:03,085 --> 00:04:05,324 First question was point of entry. 21 00:04:05,365 --> 00:04:07,884 I was told Bamber exited via this window. 22 00:04:07,925 --> 00:04:10,805 And according to Julie Mugford, he entered that way too. 23 00:04:10,844 --> 00:04:12,805 But I don't think that's possible. 24 00:04:12,844 --> 00:04:16,125 That lock. You'd break that if you tried to force it from the outside. 25 00:04:16,164 --> 00:04:19,245 So, I looked at other potential entry sites, 26 00:04:19,284 --> 00:04:21,724 including the downstairs shower window. 27 00:04:22,764 --> 00:04:24,605 Which is where we found these. 28 00:04:26,845 --> 00:04:28,245 Scratches. 29 00:04:28,285 --> 00:04:29,605 Around the lock. 30 00:04:29,644 --> 00:04:32,764 That shower room was repainted at the start of the summer. 31 00:04:32,805 --> 00:04:34,404 So the scratches are recent too. 32 00:04:36,845 --> 00:04:38,685 They're serrated. 33 00:04:38,725 --> 00:04:40,884 Like a... A fine saw blade. 34 00:04:40,925 --> 00:04:43,285 Found on the ground just outside that window 35 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:44,644 under a bit of rubbish. 36 00:04:44,685 --> 00:04:48,485 And the teeth on that match the scratches on the lock exactly. 37 00:04:48,524 --> 00:04:52,964 Finally, we can say that someone forced entry to that farmhouse. 38 00:04:53,004 --> 00:04:55,925 Now, if we can link that saw blade to Jeremy... 39 00:05:00,404 --> 00:05:02,685 I'll contact the DPP, gentlemen. 40 00:05:02,725 --> 00:05:04,444 Appraise them of this new evidence. 41 00:05:04,485 --> 00:05:06,805 But based on what you just told me... 42 00:05:07,925 --> 00:05:09,764 I think we might be on. 43 00:05:28,764 --> 00:05:32,004 Evening, gents. Can you step aside for a second, please? 44 00:05:35,245 --> 00:05:38,805 I want to tell you you're still under caution. 45 00:05:38,845 --> 00:05:41,764 And I want you to record that I've got food poisoning, 46 00:05:41,805 --> 00:05:44,245 and I've driven 1,800 miles. 47 00:05:44,285 --> 00:05:46,245 And I'm taking medication. 48 00:05:46,285 --> 00:05:48,045 Everything you say is being recorded. 49 00:05:48,084 --> 00:05:50,285 Jeremy, I put it to you 50 00:05:50,324 --> 00:05:53,444 that you've made a number of false statements to the police 51 00:05:53,485 --> 00:05:56,605 during the course of this investigation. 52 00:05:56,644 --> 00:05:59,605 I'm now giving you the chance to correct those falsehoods. 53 00:06:02,964 --> 00:06:04,324 Isn't this your day off, Mick? 54 00:06:05,725 --> 00:06:07,725 I've come in specially. 55 00:06:07,764 --> 00:06:09,324 You need a holiday. 56 00:06:09,365 --> 00:06:11,004 Have you been to Saint Tropez? 57 00:06:11,045 --> 00:06:12,725 You'd love it. 58 00:06:12,764 --> 00:06:15,845 Jeremy, this is an extremely serious matter. 59 00:06:17,644 --> 00:06:19,644 You're being charged with five counts of murder. 60 00:06:19,685 --> 00:06:20,725 Do you understand that? 61 00:06:20,764 --> 00:06:22,444 What, do you think I'm stupid? 62 00:06:22,485 --> 00:06:24,324 I think you're behaving very oddly 63 00:06:24,365 --> 00:06:27,365 for a man who's been accused of killing his own family. 64 00:06:27,404 --> 00:06:29,524 Maybe I've just got deja vu. 65 00:06:29,564 --> 00:06:31,805 Us sitting here like this. 66 00:06:31,845 --> 00:06:34,084 You making these accusations. 67 00:06:34,125 --> 00:06:36,004 Do you remember how it ended last time? 68 00:06:36,045 --> 00:06:38,685 You had to let me go, didn't you? 69 00:06:39,764 --> 00:06:42,404 Do you have a key to your parents' house? 70 00:06:43,404 --> 00:06:45,245 Of course. I was given one with my cousin 71 00:06:45,285 --> 00:06:47,444 about a week after the new doors were fitted. 72 00:06:47,485 --> 00:06:49,764 So you have full access to the house? 73 00:06:49,805 --> 00:06:51,764 That's what keys are for. 74 00:06:51,805 --> 00:06:54,285 Do you recognise this? 75 00:06:58,204 --> 00:07:00,084 I suppose it's a saw blade. 76 00:07:01,204 --> 00:07:04,084 We can show that you purchased blades exactly like this 77 00:07:04,125 --> 00:07:06,845 not long before the murder of your family. 78 00:07:06,884 --> 00:07:09,245 I sometimes use them on my tractors. 79 00:07:09,285 --> 00:07:13,564 This blade was also used to gain entry to your parents' farmhouse. 80 00:07:13,605 --> 00:07:17,084 By forcing a window in the shower. 81 00:07:20,365 --> 00:07:22,524 So, how do you account for that? 82 00:07:22,564 --> 00:07:24,524 Forcing entry. 83 00:07:24,564 --> 00:07:26,324 When you've got the key. 84 00:07:28,764 --> 00:07:30,204 You're right. 85 00:07:30,245 --> 00:07:33,365 I did get in through that window. Just a few days back. 86 00:07:33,404 --> 00:07:35,685 I needed some documents for my overseas holiday, 87 00:07:35,725 --> 00:07:37,285 and I hadn't got my key with me, 88 00:07:37,324 --> 00:07:39,805 so I let myself in, using that saw. 89 00:07:42,365 --> 00:07:45,165 So you knew you were under suspicion for murder, 90 00:07:45,204 --> 00:07:47,805 but you decided to break into your parents' house anyway? 91 00:07:47,845 --> 00:07:50,925 Into the scene of the crime. I was running late for the ferry, 92 00:07:50,964 --> 00:07:53,725 and I wouldn't have been able to hire a car without those documents. 93 00:07:53,764 --> 00:07:55,125 It would have ruined my holiday. 94 00:07:55,165 --> 00:07:57,644 What do you think I should have done, walk to Saint Tropez? 95 00:08:01,644 --> 00:08:03,884 You're to be held in custody for further questioning 96 00:08:03,925 --> 00:08:06,165 in relation to the aforementioned crimes. 97 00:08:06,204 --> 00:08:08,204 Starting first thing in the morning. 98 00:08:08,245 --> 00:08:10,524 I suggest you use your time this evening 99 00:08:10,564 --> 00:08:12,245 to consider your situation. 100 00:08:12,285 --> 00:08:13,725 Good night, Stan! 101 00:08:13,764 --> 00:08:15,285 Good night, Mick! 102 00:08:15,324 --> 00:08:17,324 See you in the morning. 103 00:08:23,564 --> 00:08:25,685 He's come up with a story. 104 00:08:25,725 --> 00:08:26,925 Bullshit. 105 00:08:26,964 --> 00:08:28,324 Obviously. 106 00:08:28,365 --> 00:08:30,165 I reckon we let him stew overnight 107 00:08:30,204 --> 00:08:32,365 and see how he's feeling in the morning. 108 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:36,045 All right, Guv. 109 00:08:36,084 --> 00:08:37,365 Will do. 110 00:08:37,404 --> 00:08:38,764 Good night. 111 00:08:42,725 --> 00:08:45,725 I guess it's my turn to take some leave. 112 00:08:48,764 --> 00:08:50,764 I expect that's for the best. 113 00:08:52,085 --> 00:08:54,325 You know, I never rated you. 114 00:08:54,365 --> 00:08:55,924 No ambition. 115 00:08:55,965 --> 00:08:58,845 That's what I thought. 116 00:08:58,884 --> 00:09:00,365 Guess I was wrong. 117 00:09:00,404 --> 00:09:02,125 This has got nothing to do with ambition. 118 00:09:02,164 --> 00:09:05,644 So you climbed all over me for the sport of it, did you? 119 00:09:05,684 --> 00:09:08,004 Back at the start of this, you asked me 120 00:09:08,044 --> 00:09:10,485 if I cared about them two murdered boys. 121 00:09:10,524 --> 00:09:12,764 Well, there's your answer. 122 00:09:12,804 --> 00:09:16,644 I care a whole lot more about getting justice for them 123 00:09:16,684 --> 00:09:20,365 than I do about my bloody career. 124 00:09:20,404 --> 00:09:22,004 Young Bamber. 125 00:09:22,044 --> 00:09:24,884 You think he's a selfish, arrogant twat. 126 00:09:24,924 --> 00:09:27,524 But that doesn't make him a murderer. 127 00:09:31,125 --> 00:09:35,325 I hope, for his sake, you can tell the difference. 128 00:09:59,365 --> 00:10:00,965 Jeremy. 129 00:10:01,004 --> 00:10:03,164 It's a simple enough question. 130 00:10:03,205 --> 00:10:05,804 Was Sheila a good shot with the rifle? 131 00:10:08,085 --> 00:10:09,884 I've already answered that. 132 00:10:09,924 --> 00:10:11,764 So tell me again. 133 00:10:11,804 --> 00:10:13,965 The answer is I don't know. 134 00:10:14,004 --> 00:10:15,884 But on the night of the murders, 135 00:10:15,924 --> 00:10:18,884 you told police that you and her had been target shooting. 136 00:10:18,924 --> 00:10:20,404 Are you saying that's a lie? 137 00:10:20,445 --> 00:10:23,325 No. So you're denying saying it? 138 00:10:23,365 --> 00:10:26,725 Even though two police officers are willing to testify that you did. 139 00:10:27,804 --> 00:10:30,245 Look, you told me I said it, so maybe I said it, but I... 140 00:10:30,284 --> 00:10:31,605 I don't remember. 141 00:10:31,644 --> 00:10:34,445 Had you seen Sheila shoot ever? 142 00:10:34,485 --> 00:10:36,245 I told you. I can't remember! 143 00:10:36,284 --> 00:10:40,284 No-one else I've spoken to ever saw Sheila Caffell fire a gun. 144 00:10:40,325 --> 00:10:41,485 No-one. 145 00:10:41,524 --> 00:10:43,684 Now you're telling me you can't remember. 146 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:47,605 It could well be that she's never fired a gun in her life. 147 00:10:47,644 --> 00:10:48,884 Would you agree with that? 148 00:10:48,924 --> 00:10:50,524 My sister was mentally ill. 149 00:10:50,565 --> 00:10:52,085 She was violent. 150 00:10:52,125 --> 00:10:54,284 Talk to her doctors. They'll confirm that. 151 00:10:54,325 --> 00:10:55,924 We've already spoken to them. 152 00:10:55,965 --> 00:10:57,884 So why won't you believe that she's done this? 153 00:10:57,924 --> 00:11:00,125 More than 20 bullets were fired into your family. 154 00:11:00,164 --> 00:11:02,644 Every single one of them hit their target. 155 00:11:02,684 --> 00:11:04,044 Your mother. 156 00:11:04,085 --> 00:11:05,804 Shot seven times. 157 00:11:05,845 --> 00:11:07,725 Every shot on target. 158 00:11:07,764 --> 00:11:08,924 Your dad. 159 00:11:08,965 --> 00:11:10,764 Shot eight times. 160 00:11:10,804 --> 00:11:12,485 All on target. 161 00:11:12,524 --> 00:11:14,764 You want me to believe that that was done 162 00:11:14,804 --> 00:11:17,845 by a girl who'd scarcely picked up a rifle in her life? 163 00:11:33,845 --> 00:11:35,605 He was beaten too. 164 00:11:35,644 --> 00:11:37,085 Your dad. 165 00:11:37,125 --> 00:11:39,245 Mercilessly. 166 00:11:43,725 --> 00:11:46,524 I don't want to know about things like that. 167 00:11:48,884 --> 00:11:52,125 Must have taken a lot of strength to do something like that. 168 00:11:53,245 --> 00:11:54,684 A lot of anger. 169 00:11:56,125 --> 00:11:58,004 Maybe a lot of hate. 170 00:12:04,325 --> 00:12:06,044 I wasn't there. 171 00:12:06,085 --> 00:12:08,845 So I wouldn't know about that, would I? 172 00:12:25,725 --> 00:12:27,884 There were a few small contradictions, 173 00:12:27,924 --> 00:12:29,404 but nothing substantial. 174 00:12:29,445 --> 00:12:31,684 Basically, he's sticking to his story. 175 00:12:31,725 --> 00:12:34,485 Bamber admits he accessed the house through the shower window, 176 00:12:34,524 --> 00:12:35,684 with the saw blade, 177 00:12:35,725 --> 00:12:37,605 but insists it was for innocent reasons. 178 00:12:37,644 --> 00:12:40,404 Cookie, where do we stand with forensics? Fingerprints. 179 00:12:40,445 --> 00:12:43,044 Recovered two usable impressions. One from the rifle butt. 180 00:12:43,085 --> 00:12:44,644 That was Sheila's. 181 00:12:44,684 --> 00:12:47,565 And the other from the barrel. Which was Jeremy's right forefinger. 182 00:12:47,605 --> 00:12:48,804 In that shape? 183 00:12:48,845 --> 00:12:51,085 Some surfaces take better fingerprints than others. 184 00:12:51,125 --> 00:12:52,764 What about the hand swabs? 185 00:12:52,804 --> 00:12:54,725 Well, the bullets that were used in the killings 186 00:12:54,764 --> 00:12:56,164 have these greasy coatings. 187 00:12:56,205 --> 00:12:59,004 There's no way of loading the rifle without getting it on your hands. 188 00:12:59,044 --> 00:13:01,245 There's no trace of that material on Sheila's swabs. 189 00:13:01,284 --> 00:13:02,684 We know the defence are gonna argue 190 00:13:02,725 --> 00:13:04,565 that she washed herself after the shootings. 191 00:13:04,605 --> 00:13:05,924 Ritual cleansing. 192 00:13:05,965 --> 00:13:08,245 Not uncommon in killings of this type. 193 00:13:08,284 --> 00:13:09,644 We can't disprove that anyway. 194 00:13:09,684 --> 00:13:11,644 Particularly since we don't have the body. 195 00:13:11,684 --> 00:13:14,325 There's still the silencer. The evidence of human blood in it. 196 00:13:14,365 --> 00:13:17,284 Although we can't conclusively prove it was Sheila's blood. 197 00:13:17,325 --> 00:13:19,485 The defence will say it was contaminated. 198 00:13:21,245 --> 00:13:24,245 The trial will turn on witness testimony. 199 00:13:24,284 --> 00:13:25,845 That's what the jury will remember. 200 00:13:25,884 --> 00:13:27,524 That'll be what gets him over the line. 201 00:13:28,605 --> 00:13:31,284 Jeremy can be very convincing. As you found. 202 00:13:31,325 --> 00:13:34,044 It'll come down to Julie Mugford. 203 00:13:34,085 --> 00:13:36,284 That's what will turn it. 204 00:13:36,325 --> 00:13:39,004 Her word against his. 205 00:13:39,044 --> 00:13:41,445 Well, we're three weeks out from trial. 206 00:13:41,485 --> 00:13:42,965 So I do hope you're right. 207 00:13:48,085 --> 00:13:50,884 'The magistrate once again denied bail, 208 00:13:50,924 --> 00:13:53,924 'citing the grave seriousness of the charges. 209 00:13:53,965 --> 00:13:58,284 'Meanwhile, Mr Bamber's supporters continue to protest his innocence.' 210 00:13:58,325 --> 00:14:02,085 'Jeremy maintains his innocence, and I absolutely believe him. 211 00:14:02,125 --> 00:14:04,325 'Which is why I, and many of his friends 212 00:14:04,365 --> 00:14:06,524 'will be standing by him through this, 213 00:14:06,565 --> 00:14:08,684 'until the truth finally prevails.' 214 00:14:08,725 --> 00:14:11,764 'It's understood that shortly after speaking to us, 215 00:14:11,804 --> 00:14:15,085 'Mr Collins returned to his native New Zealand.' 216 00:14:18,085 --> 00:14:19,764 He's here, Jules. 217 00:14:30,764 --> 00:14:33,244 There were so many things he wanted. 218 00:14:34,365 --> 00:14:36,125 He spoke about it all the time. 219 00:14:36,164 --> 00:14:37,764 The car he was going to get. 220 00:14:37,804 --> 00:14:39,565 The clothes. The holidays. 221 00:14:39,605 --> 00:14:41,924 But he didn't have enough money. 222 00:14:44,605 --> 00:14:47,965 So what, that was reason enough to murder his parents? 223 00:14:49,004 --> 00:14:50,125 Mm. 224 00:14:52,485 --> 00:14:54,004 And Sheila? 225 00:14:56,085 --> 00:14:59,285 He had different ideas about how he was gonna do it, but... 226 00:15:02,404 --> 00:15:04,725 this plan was all about Sheila. 227 00:15:05,764 --> 00:15:09,284 Making it look like she'd gone mad, she'd done it all herself. 228 00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:11,325 She would take the blame. 229 00:15:14,924 --> 00:15:16,744 And what about my...? 230 00:15:19,725 --> 00:15:21,485 What about my boys? 231 00:15:24,164 --> 00:15:26,884 Jem said you'd be better off without them. 232 00:15:31,684 --> 00:15:34,644 That with the boys gone, you could go back to work. 233 00:15:34,684 --> 00:15:37,204 Get your life back on track. You'd be better off. 234 00:15:41,205 --> 00:15:43,605 And he told you this before he'd done it? 235 00:15:43,644 --> 00:15:45,404 Parts of it, yeah. 236 00:15:45,445 --> 00:15:47,644 So you knew, and you didn't say anything?! 237 00:15:47,684 --> 00:15:49,245 You didn't tell anyone?! 238 00:15:51,524 --> 00:15:52,965 I'm sorry. 239 00:15:56,644 --> 00:15:57,764 I... 240 00:16:00,284 --> 00:16:01,565 But you will now? 241 00:16:01,605 --> 00:16:03,565 You'll tell it now? In court. You'll tell at all? 242 00:16:03,605 --> 00:16:04,764 I promise. 243 00:16:06,524 --> 00:16:08,404 I promise. 244 00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:10,265 I promise. 245 00:16:20,164 --> 00:16:21,965 I just got the call. 246 00:16:22,004 --> 00:16:25,044 They're not proceeding against her. What? 247 00:16:25,085 --> 00:16:27,284 The DPP have concluded that Julie Mugford 248 00:16:27,325 --> 00:16:29,445 was morally and criminally corrupted 249 00:16:29,485 --> 00:16:31,284 as a result of her relationship with you. 250 00:16:31,325 --> 00:16:33,004 So they're dropping all the charges. 251 00:16:35,164 --> 00:16:37,125 But the caravan park business. The robbery. 252 00:16:37,164 --> 00:16:38,284 She confessed to that. 253 00:16:38,325 --> 00:16:39,565 At being a lookout 254 00:16:39,605 --> 00:16:43,325 in a burglary involving, what, a few hundred pounds? 255 00:16:43,365 --> 00:16:44,684 Yeah. 256 00:16:44,725 --> 00:16:46,884 Do you think that anyone really cares about that, 257 00:16:46,924 --> 00:16:48,125 compared with five murders? 258 00:16:48,164 --> 00:16:49,245 No, this decision means 259 00:16:49,284 --> 00:16:51,445 that Julie Mugford has even less incentive 260 00:16:51,485 --> 00:16:54,684 to withdraw or even modify her statement against you. 261 00:16:54,725 --> 00:16:57,125 Except that she's lying. So you say. 262 00:16:57,164 --> 00:16:59,445 But the jury may yet take a different view. 263 00:17:01,684 --> 00:17:03,365 I need to talk to her. 264 00:17:03,404 --> 00:17:04,965 No, no, that's not possible. 265 00:17:05,004 --> 00:17:07,004 If I can just see her, she's gonna change her mind. 266 00:17:07,044 --> 00:17:10,085 Jeremy, you must see that is completely out of the question. 267 00:17:12,484 --> 00:17:14,924 It doesn't matter. In the end, she'll tell the truth. 268 00:17:14,964 --> 00:17:17,805 Miss Mugford's stuck to her story for a good few months now. 269 00:17:17,845 --> 00:17:20,164 Yes, because she's angry that I broke it off with her. 270 00:17:21,325 --> 00:17:22,805 But she won't do this to me. 271 00:17:24,005 --> 00:17:25,565 She loves me. 272 00:18:37,214 --> 00:18:40,694 Mr Caffell, I can't imagine how distressing this must be for you, 273 00:18:40,734 --> 00:18:42,494 so I will attempt to keep it brief. 274 00:18:44,494 --> 00:18:47,894 You were married to Sheila Caffell for two years? 275 00:18:47,934 --> 00:18:49,375 That's right. 276 00:18:49,414 --> 00:18:51,335 How would you describe her? As a mother. 277 00:18:52,535 --> 00:18:55,095 Kind. Attentive. 278 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,694 She lived for our boys. 279 00:18:56,734 --> 00:18:59,095 But she had been mentally ill? 280 00:18:59,134 --> 00:19:01,535 On and off, for some time, yes. 281 00:19:01,575 --> 00:19:03,535 Which was why the boys were staying with me. 282 00:19:03,575 --> 00:19:08,535 To your knowledge, had her illness ever led her to mistreat the boys? 283 00:19:08,575 --> 00:19:11,055 Never. That's the one thing I'm certain of. 284 00:19:12,015 --> 00:19:13,775 And in her general demeanour, 285 00:19:13,815 --> 00:19:17,375 would you have considered her to be a violent person? 286 00:19:18,934 --> 00:19:21,095 Of course not. No. She was... 287 00:19:21,134 --> 00:19:22,974 She was just so gentle. 288 00:19:24,255 --> 00:19:27,855 She had a hot Latin temper, but only ever towards things. 289 00:19:27,894 --> 00:19:30,535 Inanimate objects. Never people. 290 00:19:32,255 --> 00:19:33,734 Thank you, Mr Caffell. 291 00:19:38,775 --> 00:19:45,855 Mr Caffell, you say Sheila never harmed people. 292 00:19:45,894 --> 00:19:47,295 What about herself? 293 00:19:47,335 --> 00:19:49,615 I'm not sure what you mean. 294 00:19:49,654 --> 00:19:55,174 Well, she had harmed herself, in the past, had she not? 295 00:19:57,335 --> 00:19:59,055 We argued. 296 00:19:59,095 --> 00:20:03,095 Once. After a 21st birthday party. 297 00:20:03,134 --> 00:20:05,335 And she put her hand through a window. 298 00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:09,575 I'd behaved very badly, in a way that provoked her. 299 00:20:09,615 --> 00:20:12,615 I don't think she had the intention to hurt herself. 300 00:20:12,654 --> 00:20:14,654 Mr Caffell... 301 00:20:14,694 --> 00:20:17,934 When you were first told... 302 00:20:17,974 --> 00:20:19,255 of the... 303 00:20:19,295 --> 00:20:20,775 terrible... 304 00:20:20,815 --> 00:20:22,934 news of the deaths... 305 00:20:22,974 --> 00:20:25,815 how did you react? 306 00:20:29,095 --> 00:20:30,535 I was shocked. 307 00:20:31,694 --> 00:20:34,454 But were you surprised? 308 00:20:34,494 --> 00:20:38,894 At the idea that Sheila might have ended her own life. 309 00:20:39,934 --> 00:20:41,015 In fact, 310 00:20:41,055 --> 00:20:42,335 you accepted it. 311 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:44,055 Quite readily. Did you not? 312 00:20:44,095 --> 00:20:46,454 What I was faced with... 313 00:20:48,015 --> 00:20:51,575 I could hardly even believe it, much less understand it. 314 00:20:53,255 --> 00:20:54,815 I still can't. 315 00:20:57,694 --> 00:21:02,335 So I accepted what I was told by the experts, 316 00:21:02,375 --> 00:21:03,855 and by the police. 317 00:21:03,894 --> 00:21:04,934 By everyone. 318 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:08,775 What would you have done? 319 00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:19,255 Ready? 320 00:21:20,335 --> 00:21:22,694 I've been having nightmares about seeing him. 321 00:21:22,734 --> 00:21:25,734 And when I wake up, I feel guilty that I've betrayed him. 322 00:21:25,775 --> 00:21:27,535 Forget them. They're just bloody dreams. 323 00:21:27,575 --> 00:21:29,894 Yeah, but they're gonna come true, though, aren't they? 324 00:21:29,934 --> 00:21:32,295 He will be there in court looking at me. 325 00:21:32,335 --> 00:21:33,815 And you'll look right back at him. 326 00:21:33,855 --> 00:21:36,454 Because you're there telling the truth, and he won't be. 327 00:21:39,694 --> 00:21:41,015 Look... 328 00:21:42,055 --> 00:21:43,454 You made a mistake. 329 00:21:45,295 --> 00:21:47,095 A bloody big one, I'll admit. 330 00:21:48,255 --> 00:21:50,095 So, what are you gonna do now? 331 00:21:52,694 --> 00:21:56,894 You can either give in, let that mistake become who you are... 332 00:21:58,335 --> 00:22:01,214 or you can stand up and show that you're not like him, 333 00:22:01,255 --> 00:22:02,815 you're not like Jeremy. 334 00:22:04,694 --> 00:22:06,694 Which is it gonna be? 335 00:22:28,494 --> 00:22:31,015 Do you still love Jeremy? Have you spoken to Jeremy? 336 00:22:31,055 --> 00:22:33,694 Please, step to one side. 337 00:22:33,734 --> 00:22:35,694 Thank you. 338 00:22:37,734 --> 00:22:39,575 Steady, steady. 339 00:22:39,615 --> 00:22:41,015 Can we get through, please? 340 00:22:51,894 --> 00:22:53,134 Miss Mugford? 341 00:22:53,174 --> 00:22:54,974 Sorry. I... 342 00:22:57,654 --> 00:23:01,015 The account of the killings that you initially gave to the police 343 00:23:01,055 --> 00:23:04,894 was based on what Mr Bamber told you that first night? 344 00:23:04,934 --> 00:23:08,174 After the police and everyone else had gone, 345 00:23:08,214 --> 00:23:10,214 we sat in the living room of Jeremy's house, 346 00:23:10,255 --> 00:23:12,815 and he told me the information I've given today. 347 00:23:12,855 --> 00:23:17,375 And the claim he initially made, that he'd hired a mercenary? 348 00:23:17,414 --> 00:23:19,894 In a way, that made things easier. 349 00:23:19,934 --> 00:23:22,414 Thinking at least he hadn't done it with his own hands. 350 00:23:22,454 --> 00:23:23,654 But now... 351 00:23:25,454 --> 00:23:26,775 Miss Mugford. 352 00:23:26,815 --> 00:23:30,494 The biggest question people will be asking is, 353 00:23:30,535 --> 00:23:33,815 what made you wait a month before coming forward with this? 354 00:23:33,855 --> 00:23:36,494 At first, I was in shock. 355 00:23:39,055 --> 00:23:42,454 Then later, Jeremy said that if anything happened to him, 356 00:23:42,494 --> 00:23:44,855 if he was arrested, I would be arrested too. 357 00:23:46,855 --> 00:23:49,454 As a murderer. Because I knew about it. 358 00:23:52,174 --> 00:23:54,575 I know it's cowardly, but I was scared. 359 00:23:54,615 --> 00:23:57,454 Thank you, Miss Mugford. 360 00:24:05,335 --> 00:24:08,734 In your initial account... 361 00:24:10,255 --> 00:24:12,214 you told the police 362 00:24:12,255 --> 00:24:16,734 that Nevill had been shot seven times in the head. 363 00:24:16,775 --> 00:24:19,134 Which was not correct. 364 00:24:20,575 --> 00:24:22,454 That's what Jeremy told me. 365 00:24:22,494 --> 00:24:26,134 Interestingly, you're not the only one who got that wrong. 366 00:24:26,174 --> 00:24:30,375 The Mirror describes him being shot seven times in the head. 367 00:24:30,414 --> 00:24:32,815 The Sun. "Seven shots to Nevill Bamber." 368 00:24:32,855 --> 00:24:34,055 I didn't read those papers. 369 00:24:34,095 --> 00:24:36,535 The Star. "Seven shots to the head." 370 00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:38,974 The Express. "Seven shots." 371 00:24:39,015 --> 00:24:41,174 Isn't it the case that your account of the murders 372 00:24:41,214 --> 00:24:44,174 came not from Mr Bamber, but from ordinary newspaper stories? 373 00:24:44,214 --> 00:24:46,375 Everything I told the police is what Jeremy told me. 374 00:24:46,414 --> 00:24:48,095 Everything. 375 00:24:48,134 --> 00:24:49,974 Are you an honest person, Miss Mugford? 376 00:24:50,015 --> 00:24:51,414 Yes, I am. 377 00:24:51,454 --> 00:24:52,734 Completely honest? 378 00:24:54,335 --> 00:24:56,134 What do you mean by completely? 379 00:24:56,174 --> 00:25:00,375 Well, there have been some incidents in the past, have there not? 380 00:25:00,414 --> 00:25:02,775 A case of cheque fraud, for example. 381 00:25:05,174 --> 00:25:06,255 Yes. 382 00:25:06,295 --> 00:25:08,255 You reported your cheque book stolen, 383 00:25:08,295 --> 00:25:12,494 and then went and spent over £600, defrauding the bank. 384 00:25:12,535 --> 00:25:14,214 Honesty is acknowledging your mistakes 385 00:25:14,255 --> 00:25:17,134 and doing something about them. And that's what I've done. 386 00:25:17,174 --> 00:25:18,934 But while perpetrating that cheque fraud, 387 00:25:18,974 --> 00:25:20,095 you were telling lies, yes? 388 00:25:20,134 --> 00:25:22,734 That's something you're pretty good at, isn't it? Telling lies. 389 00:25:22,775 --> 00:25:25,654 Just because I did that doesn't mean I'm lying about anything else. 390 00:25:25,694 --> 00:25:28,174 If we're to believe what you told us earlier this afternoon, 391 00:25:28,214 --> 00:25:29,974 you also told lies after the murder. 392 00:25:30,015 --> 00:25:31,734 You made false statements to the police. 393 00:25:31,775 --> 00:25:33,734 I said no false things. I only omitted things. 394 00:25:33,775 --> 00:25:35,934 But you omitted quite a bit, though, didn't you? 395 00:25:35,974 --> 00:25:37,734 Your knowledge of who killed the Bambers. 396 00:25:37,775 --> 00:25:39,095 Of who killed those children. 397 00:25:39,134 --> 00:25:41,855 You even dined with Colin Caffell, their father, 398 00:25:41,894 --> 00:25:45,535 accepted his hospitality, yet you never said a word! 399 00:25:49,934 --> 00:25:51,815 I'm sorry. 400 00:25:53,134 --> 00:25:55,255 Would you care to sit, Miss Mugford? 401 00:26:02,855 --> 00:26:04,494 Thank you. 402 00:26:10,815 --> 00:26:16,815 Now, you were asked about your initial statements to the police. 403 00:26:22,694 --> 00:26:24,575 I've already explained. 404 00:26:26,055 --> 00:26:28,734 When it first happened, I was confused. 405 00:26:30,375 --> 00:26:33,974 That's why I volunteered to identify the bodies. 406 00:26:34,015 --> 00:26:39,015 I wanted to ask Sheila and June for their advice about what to do. 407 00:26:43,214 --> 00:26:45,174 Sorry. You, um... 408 00:26:45,214 --> 00:26:47,375 You wanted to ask the deceased Sheila Caffell, 409 00:26:47,414 --> 00:26:51,295 and the deceased June Bamber for their advice? 410 00:26:52,454 --> 00:26:54,214 I believe in the spiritual world. 411 00:26:59,255 --> 00:27:00,654 So, um... 412 00:27:00,694 --> 00:27:05,694 How were you planning to canvas the opinion of these poor dead souls? 413 00:27:05,734 --> 00:27:08,015 It's a mental thing. 414 00:27:08,055 --> 00:27:11,295 I prayed a lot, but they didn't say anything back. 415 00:27:12,295 --> 00:27:14,974 And having failed to elicit the opinion from the dead, 416 00:27:15,015 --> 00:27:17,134 you remained silent for a month. 417 00:27:17,174 --> 00:27:18,694 I was scared. 418 00:27:18,734 --> 00:27:20,255 Is it OK to be scared? 419 00:27:20,295 --> 00:27:22,815 Scared for yourself? For me, and for Jeremy. 420 00:27:22,855 --> 00:27:25,134 Until it became clear that he didn't want you any more. 421 00:27:25,174 --> 00:27:27,375 That he was in fact seeing another woman. 422 00:27:28,934 --> 00:27:30,575 I was hurt. 423 00:27:30,615 --> 00:27:32,615 Not jealous. Hurt. 424 00:27:32,654 --> 00:27:35,694 And then finally, you came forward to the police with this story. 425 00:27:35,734 --> 00:27:37,734 About his involvement in the murders. 426 00:27:37,775 --> 00:27:39,535 A fabricated story. It isn't fa... 427 00:27:39,575 --> 00:27:41,494 Fabricated out of jealousy and anger, 428 00:27:41,535 --> 00:27:43,775 because he was leaving you for another woman. 429 00:27:45,535 --> 00:27:47,535 I did ask him not to. 430 00:27:48,575 --> 00:27:52,015 I did. I told him I wouldn't be able to cope with being on my own. 431 00:27:52,055 --> 00:27:54,295 He said that I would never be on my own. 432 00:27:54,335 --> 00:27:56,335 He said that he was my best friend. 433 00:27:56,375 --> 00:27:59,694 Yet he also made it clear that it was over between you two. 434 00:27:59,734 --> 00:28:02,934 That you would no longer be his girlfriend. 435 00:28:04,775 --> 00:28:07,494 I told Jeremy he'd ruined my life. 436 00:28:08,575 --> 00:28:11,214 Ruined everything. By telling me what he'd done. 437 00:28:12,654 --> 00:28:15,734 But he said he was entrusting his life to me. 438 00:28:15,775 --> 00:28:17,934 He said that he was telling me the truth 439 00:28:17,974 --> 00:28:19,615 so that I could lie convincingly. 440 00:28:19,654 --> 00:28:22,494 The best way to lie is to tell the truth. 441 00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:26,134 And so yeah, at first, that's what I did. 442 00:28:26,174 --> 00:28:28,775 I told the police what I thought Jeremy would want me to say. 443 00:28:28,815 --> 00:28:31,734 Even though you believed he'd orchestrated mass murder? 444 00:28:31,775 --> 00:28:34,095 Because I loved him. 445 00:28:38,134 --> 00:28:40,894 I loved him after the killings as before. 446 00:28:42,174 --> 00:28:44,775 I found it difficult to be physically close to him, 447 00:28:44,815 --> 00:28:46,815 but my emotion never changed. 448 00:28:48,974 --> 00:28:51,414 And then in the end, I couldn't cope. 449 00:28:53,214 --> 00:28:55,775 I went to the police nearly a month later. 450 00:28:55,815 --> 00:28:58,815 Because I couldn't cope any more with the knowledge I had. 451 00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:16,784 We've heard from members 452 00:29:16,808 --> 00:29:19,300 of your extended family that 453 00:29:19,324 --> 00:29:22,345 Sheila could never have hurt her children. 454 00:29:22,385 --> 00:29:25,345 Is that a statement you'd agree with? 455 00:29:25,385 --> 00:29:27,184 No, it's not. 456 00:29:27,224 --> 00:29:28,984 Why not? 457 00:29:29,024 --> 00:29:30,464 Because I saw her hurt them. 458 00:29:30,505 --> 00:29:33,504 Can you describe the circumstances? 459 00:29:33,544 --> 00:29:37,145 We were in the car. Going visiting. 460 00:29:37,184 --> 00:29:39,944 Myself and my father were in the front seats, 461 00:29:39,984 --> 00:29:42,305 and Sheila and the boys in the back. 462 00:29:43,585 --> 00:29:45,464 As we were driving, um, 463 00:29:45,504 --> 00:29:49,825 I think Daniel interrupted Dad. Just the way kids will. 464 00:29:51,145 --> 00:29:53,145 Sheila turned and she punched him twice 465 00:29:53,184 --> 00:29:54,625 with a full fist in the face. 466 00:29:56,145 --> 00:29:58,625 Yet you never mentioned it to anyone? 467 00:29:58,665 --> 00:30:02,184 Your father never mentioned it. My family was like that. 468 00:30:02,224 --> 00:30:04,865 Everything had to be kept private. Particularly about Sheila. 469 00:30:04,905 --> 00:30:09,905 Yet Miss Mugford has told us that you're lying about all this. 470 00:30:09,944 --> 00:30:12,165 I'm not. She is. 471 00:30:13,124 --> 00:30:14,425 I did not kill anyone. 472 00:30:14,464 --> 00:30:17,665 How did you feel when you first became aware 473 00:30:17,704 --> 00:30:19,665 of what she was saying about you? 474 00:30:19,704 --> 00:30:21,504 Horrified. I mean... 475 00:30:23,264 --> 00:30:26,865 I mean, I knew that she was saying horrible things, 476 00:30:26,905 --> 00:30:29,984 and untruths, that were keeping me in the cells in Chelmsford, 477 00:30:30,024 --> 00:30:32,984 but I... I thought she was only doing it 'cause I'd split up with her, 478 00:30:33,024 --> 00:30:35,544 and I always thought that she'd see sense. 479 00:30:35,585 --> 00:30:38,224 That she'd take it back. But... 480 00:30:38,264 --> 00:30:40,224 Well, she never did. 481 00:30:43,585 --> 00:30:45,585 Thank you, Mr Bamber. 482 00:30:50,345 --> 00:30:52,784 Mr Bamber, you say your sister punched one of her boys. 483 00:30:52,825 --> 00:30:55,145 No-one else ever saw her do anything like that. 484 00:30:55,184 --> 00:30:56,665 They did. 485 00:30:56,704 --> 00:30:58,865 But those people are no longer with us. 486 00:30:58,905 --> 00:31:01,385 Which is convenient for you, isn't it? 487 00:31:01,425 --> 00:31:03,984 I wouldn't call the death of my whole family convenient. 488 00:31:04,024 --> 00:31:06,881 Yet it leaves you in a position that you're able to say whatever you like 489 00:31:06,905 --> 00:31:09,464 about a great many things without fear of contradiction. 490 00:31:09,504 --> 00:31:12,305 Except, perhaps, from Miss Mugford. 491 00:31:12,345 --> 00:31:15,024 The difference being that Julie isn't telling the truth. 492 00:31:15,065 --> 00:31:16,865 I am. 493 00:31:16,905 --> 00:31:21,224 You claim you left a rifle out, in the scullery, fully loaded, 494 00:31:21,264 --> 00:31:22,704 on the evening of the murders. 495 00:31:22,744 --> 00:31:24,905 Isn't that an incredibly foolish thing to do? 496 00:31:27,825 --> 00:31:29,184 I was upset. 497 00:31:29,224 --> 00:31:31,865 After hearing what my parents were saying to my sister 498 00:31:31,905 --> 00:31:33,184 about fostering out the boys. 499 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:35,744 Miss Mugford tells us the gun was left out intentionally 500 00:31:35,784 --> 00:31:37,944 in preparation for murder. She's lying. 501 00:31:37,984 --> 00:31:42,665 Later that night, you say your father phoned you, at home, 502 00:31:42,704 --> 00:31:45,984 told you your sister Sheila had... Where are we? 503 00:31:46,024 --> 00:31:47,825 Ah, yes. 504 00:31:47,865 --> 00:31:49,585 Gone berserk. 505 00:31:50,984 --> 00:31:54,145 I can't be sure of his exact words. But yes, roughly that. 506 00:31:54,184 --> 00:31:55,825 As we've heard, 507 00:31:55,865 --> 00:31:57,305 forensic evidence suggests 508 00:31:57,345 --> 00:32:00,305 that he was grievously injured before coming downstairs. 509 00:32:00,345 --> 00:32:02,625 How did he sound to you when he called? 510 00:32:02,665 --> 00:32:05,425 I-I-I don't recall his exact inflection, but, er... 511 00:32:06,665 --> 00:32:08,625 he sounded rushed, I suppose. 512 00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:10,385 Speaking more quickly than normal. 513 00:32:10,425 --> 00:32:11,464 But beyond that, 514 00:32:11,504 --> 00:32:13,665 I'd only be surmising if I added to it. 515 00:32:13,704 --> 00:32:16,504 Did he sound, for example, like he'd been shot twice in the mouth? 516 00:32:20,504 --> 00:32:21,984 I couldn't... 517 00:32:22,024 --> 00:32:24,625 I couldn't say specifically whether he'd been wounded or not. 518 00:32:24,665 --> 00:32:25,984 It was... 519 00:32:28,145 --> 00:32:31,345 I... I recognised his voice, but other than that, I just... 520 00:32:31,385 --> 00:32:32,625 I'm sorry. 521 00:32:32,665 --> 00:32:34,065 I don't know. 522 00:32:36,625 --> 00:32:38,944 You then rang Chelmsford police. 523 00:32:38,984 --> 00:32:41,264 Looked the number up in the phone book. 524 00:32:42,665 --> 00:32:43,665 Yes, that's right. 525 00:32:43,704 --> 00:32:45,944 Didn't think to simply dial 999? 526 00:32:45,984 --> 00:32:49,544 Even though your parents were in mortal danger. 527 00:32:49,585 --> 00:32:53,184 At the time, the local police station seemed a better option. 528 00:32:54,345 --> 00:32:55,544 Can I draw your attention 529 00:32:55,585 --> 00:32:57,984 to the phone book that you used to make that call? 530 00:33:09,385 --> 00:33:11,544 What do you see there, in bold type, 531 00:33:11,585 --> 00:33:14,585 right underneath the number for Chelmsford police? 532 00:33:16,504 --> 00:33:18,264 Could you read it out? 533 00:33:18,305 --> 00:33:22,024 "In an emergency, dial 999 and ask for the police." 534 00:33:22,065 --> 00:33:24,544 "In an emergency." But you ignored that advice. 535 00:33:24,585 --> 00:33:26,704 I don't really remember seeing this. 536 00:33:26,744 --> 00:33:27,984 When your family's in danger, 537 00:33:28,024 --> 00:33:30,184 you don't tend to make calm, rational decisions. 538 00:33:30,224 --> 00:33:32,744 You say you then rang your girlfriend, Julie Mugford. Why? 539 00:33:32,784 --> 00:33:34,544 Because I needed a sympathetic ear. 540 00:33:34,585 --> 00:33:36,024 Even though time was of the essence? 541 00:33:36,065 --> 00:33:38,345 Even though your sister had allegedly "gone berserk"? 542 00:33:38,385 --> 00:33:40,264 I suppose I was afraid my family would be hurt. 543 00:33:40,305 --> 00:33:41,944 My parents... Whom you hated. 544 00:33:41,984 --> 00:33:43,305 I did not. 545 00:33:43,345 --> 00:33:45,345 Yet you told many people that you hated them. 546 00:33:45,385 --> 00:33:47,825 That you wanted them dead. I've never said any such thing. 547 00:33:47,865 --> 00:33:50,345 Why would people say it if it wasn't true? 548 00:33:50,385 --> 00:33:53,264 I can't comment on Julie's feelings. I wasn't inside her head. 549 00:33:53,305 --> 00:33:55,744 But I suppose she did love me. 550 00:33:55,784 --> 00:33:58,024 And I'd been unfaithful. 551 00:33:58,065 --> 00:34:00,065 And she was jealous, angry. 552 00:34:00,105 --> 00:34:02,625 I'll offer you another, simpler explanation. 553 00:34:02,665 --> 00:34:05,305 And that's that you're the one who's lying. 554 00:34:05,345 --> 00:34:07,464 Julie's the liar. A dreadful liar. 555 00:34:07,504 --> 00:34:08,784 I'm not a dreadful liar. 556 00:34:08,825 --> 00:34:10,224 This phone call from your father. 557 00:34:10,264 --> 00:34:12,585 His business about accidentally leaving a rifle out. 558 00:34:12,625 --> 00:34:15,825 You're not telling the truth about any of it! 559 00:34:15,865 --> 00:34:17,425 Are you, Mr Bamber?! 560 00:34:17,464 --> 00:34:20,705 Well, that's what you've got to try and establish. 561 00:34:43,265 --> 00:34:45,984 In this case, we can forget fanciful scenarios 562 00:34:46,024 --> 00:34:47,785 involving mysterious intruders, 563 00:34:47,825 --> 00:34:49,265 or unknown assassins. 564 00:34:49,305 --> 00:34:51,705 This is very much a two-horse race. 565 00:34:51,745 --> 00:34:54,504 Sheila Caffell. And her brother, the accused, Jeremy Bamber. 566 00:34:57,345 --> 00:35:01,345 He claims he received a phone call on the night of the murders, 567 00:35:01,385 --> 00:35:02,544 from his father, 568 00:35:02,584 --> 00:35:04,960 who told him his sister, Sheila, was running amok with a gun. 569 00:35:04,984 --> 00:35:08,345 Now, if Nevill Bamber truly made that call... 570 00:35:09,825 --> 00:35:13,024 If the defendant is telling the truth about that... 571 00:35:14,144 --> 00:35:17,504 ...then we must conclude that Sheila committed the murders. 572 00:35:19,785 --> 00:35:22,185 If, on the other hand, 573 00:35:22,225 --> 00:35:27,024 Jeremy Bamber never received that call... 574 00:35:30,024 --> 00:35:31,705 that's a lie. 575 00:35:31,745 --> 00:35:35,504 And we've heard a great deal of evidence suggesting that it must be. 576 00:35:39,825 --> 00:35:42,265 Then he is the killer. 577 00:35:43,544 --> 00:35:45,544 Because there's only one reason 578 00:35:45,584 --> 00:35:48,265 why he would lie about something like that. 579 00:35:48,305 --> 00:35:51,104 So, do you believe his account? 580 00:35:51,144 --> 00:35:53,144 With all its implausibilities. 581 00:35:53,185 --> 00:35:55,185 Or do you prefer to believe Julie Mugford? 582 00:35:55,225 --> 00:35:58,544 A witness who has given us chapter and verse about how and why 583 00:35:58,584 --> 00:36:00,745 the defendant committed this horrible crime. 584 00:36:00,785 --> 00:36:03,504 A witness who has never wavered in her astonishing story, 585 00:36:03,544 --> 00:36:05,785 from the moment she came to police. 586 00:36:07,624 --> 00:36:09,225 Once you consider both stories, 587 00:36:09,265 --> 00:36:13,664 and the evidence that supports, or contradicts them, 588 00:36:13,705 --> 00:36:15,705 there's only one option. 589 00:36:16,944 --> 00:36:19,544 An option which forces itself upon you, 590 00:36:19,584 --> 00:36:21,584 beyond any reasonable doubt. 591 00:36:21,624 --> 00:36:27,144 And that option is to convict Jeremy Bamber. 592 00:36:32,624 --> 00:36:33,905 Mr Rivlin. 593 00:36:33,944 --> 00:36:36,265 This is a case in which there is little lacking 594 00:36:36,305 --> 00:36:37,584 in terms of human drama. 595 00:36:37,624 --> 00:36:40,504 But there is one important thing missing. 596 00:36:40,544 --> 00:36:42,544 And that is proof. 597 00:36:42,584 --> 00:36:46,265 The crime scene was hopelessly mishandled by the police. 598 00:36:46,305 --> 00:36:48,745 The forensic evidence against Mr Bamber 599 00:36:48,785 --> 00:36:51,584 is either ambiguous, or unreliable. 600 00:36:51,624 --> 00:36:53,944 The blood in the silencer found by the family 601 00:36:53,984 --> 00:36:57,905 has not been conclusively proven to be Sheila Caffell's blood. 602 00:36:57,944 --> 00:37:00,064 And instead of proof, 603 00:37:00,104 --> 00:37:03,745 the prosecution has relied on the word of Julie Mugford. 604 00:37:04,905 --> 00:37:07,464 Mr Bamber's jilted ex-lover. 605 00:37:09,265 --> 00:37:13,984 She has been free to manipulate us with her weeping, 606 00:37:14,024 --> 00:37:17,504 while Mr Bamber would be accused of crocodile tears if he cried, 607 00:37:17,544 --> 00:37:21,144 or of being cold-blooded if he did not. 608 00:37:22,225 --> 00:37:23,944 With her... 609 00:37:23,984 --> 00:37:27,504 carefully timed droplets of poison... 610 00:37:28,624 --> 00:37:31,185 she has done her best to damage him. 611 00:37:33,265 --> 00:37:34,584 But in the end... 612 00:37:36,104 --> 00:37:38,104 there was nothing in her account 613 00:37:38,144 --> 00:37:41,144 that hadn't already been published in the press. 614 00:37:43,504 --> 00:37:45,385 No-one will ever really know what happened 615 00:37:45,425 --> 00:37:47,425 on that terrible night at White House Farm. 616 00:37:49,745 --> 00:37:52,624 There is much that simply doesn't add up. 617 00:37:52,664 --> 00:37:55,504 And when the facts don't add up... 618 00:37:56,624 --> 00:37:58,504 there must be room for doubt. 619 00:37:59,705 --> 00:38:03,425 Given that doubt, that very reasonable doubt, 620 00:38:03,464 --> 00:38:07,785 it's your duty to acquit. 621 00:39:23,539 --> 00:39:25,019 Hello? 622 00:39:28,019 --> 00:39:29,580 Detective Sergeant. 623 00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:31,459 Apologies for the intrusion. 624 00:39:31,499 --> 00:39:33,859 They say criminals return to the scene. 625 00:39:33,899 --> 00:39:35,819 Sometimes us coppers do too. 626 00:39:35,859 --> 00:39:37,859 You're welcome here any time. 627 00:39:37,899 --> 00:39:40,539 I thought you'd be at home right now, sitting by the phone. 628 00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:43,499 I always clean the place up on a Thursday afternoon. 629 00:39:43,539 --> 00:39:45,780 I saw no reason to do any different. 630 00:39:47,979 --> 00:39:49,180 So? 631 00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:51,620 The jury couldn't decide. 632 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:53,819 Judge sent them back out. 633 00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:56,060 Said they'd accept a majority decision. 634 00:39:57,899 --> 00:39:59,539 That can't be a good sign. 635 00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:01,700 I expect not. 636 00:40:04,539 --> 00:40:06,140 However this turns out, 637 00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:08,419 I want you to know I appreciate what you did. 638 00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:10,419 It's nothing. 639 00:40:10,459 --> 00:40:12,019 It's just my job. 640 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:38,819 What do you think? 641 00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:43,539 I think juries can be unpredictable. 642 00:40:43,580 --> 00:40:45,740 Some of the Fleet Street boys are making book. 643 00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:47,979 What are they offering? 644 00:40:48,019 --> 00:40:49,740 Four to one against a conviction. 645 00:40:51,459 --> 00:40:54,419 Should have told me that sooner. I'd have had a bit of that. 646 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,260 Mr Foreman, please stand. 647 00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:22,220 Will the defendant please stand? 648 00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:28,539 To the question I'm about to ask, please answer yes or no. 649 00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:31,979 Have the jury reached a verdict in respect of each count 650 00:41:32,019 --> 00:41:34,700 on which at least ten of you are agreed? 651 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:36,100 Yes. 652 00:41:39,419 --> 00:41:41,939 Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 653 00:41:41,979 --> 00:41:43,819 of the murder of Nevill Bamber? 654 00:41:43,859 --> 00:41:45,979 Guilty. 655 00:41:46,019 --> 00:41:47,580 On the second count, 656 00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:49,620 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 657 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:51,939 of the murder of June Bamber? 658 00:41:51,979 --> 00:41:53,780 Guilty. 659 00:41:53,819 --> 00:41:54,979 No, no, no. 660 00:41:55,019 --> 00:41:56,499 On the third count, 661 00:41:56,539 --> 00:41:58,459 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 662 00:41:58,499 --> 00:42:00,499 of the murder of Sheila Caffell? 663 00:42:00,539 --> 00:42:02,060 Guilty. 664 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:05,220 On the fourth count, 665 00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:07,660 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 666 00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,859 of the murder of Nicholas Caffell? 667 00:42:09,899 --> 00:42:11,419 Guilty. 668 00:42:11,459 --> 00:42:12,979 On the fifth count, 669 00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:15,499 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 670 00:42:15,539 --> 00:42:17,379 of the murder of Daniel Caffell? 671 00:42:17,419 --> 00:42:18,819 Guilty. 672 00:42:18,859 --> 00:42:21,220 Thank you, Mr Foreman. 673 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:40,899 Stand still. 674 00:42:42,859 --> 00:42:44,859 Turn to your right. 675 00:42:46,819 --> 00:42:48,220 Take off your tie. 676 00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:59,260 Shoes. 677 00:43:06,499 --> 00:43:08,379 Turn and face the cell. 678 00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:12,339 Walk in. 679 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:48,260 Did you hear the news? 680 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,580 I did, yeah. 681 00:43:51,899 --> 00:43:53,580 Oh. You've got guests? 682 00:43:53,620 --> 00:43:55,740 No. Um... 683 00:43:55,780 --> 00:43:57,899 They're reporters. 684 00:43:57,939 --> 00:44:00,379 News Of The World. 685 00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:05,019 How much are you getting? 686 00:44:06,819 --> 00:44:08,700 Enough to get me started again. 687 00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:10,300 How much? 688 00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:13,819 £25,000. 689 00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:18,819 Isn't that fair enough, after what I've been through? 690 00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:27,379 Good luck with it, then. 691 00:46:04,499 --> 00:46:06,939 There have been times over the past months 692 00:46:06,979 --> 00:46:09,379 when I thought I'd been condemned myself. 693 00:46:10,499 --> 00:46:12,419 To a life of hatred. 694 00:46:12,459 --> 00:46:16,300 And I knew that hating like that, in the end, it'd kill me. 695 00:46:18,459 --> 00:46:20,580 But now, with this result, 696 00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:22,780 I do feel, maybe, 697 00:46:22,819 --> 00:46:25,060 I'm at a new beginning. 698 00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:27,939 Not because Jeremy has been found guilty. 699 00:46:27,979 --> 00:46:30,180 I can't take any pleasure in that. 700 00:46:32,019 --> 00:46:34,140 But because the truth's been spoken. 701 00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:37,220 And Sheila's name's been cleared. 702 00:46:40,379 --> 00:46:42,979 Now, I'm still trying to understand this. 703 00:46:44,979 --> 00:46:46,979 To understand why this happened. 704 00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:51,339 But at least I know Sheila will now be remembered 705 00:46:51,379 --> 00:46:54,979 as the wonderful woman she was. 706 00:46:58,140 --> 00:47:00,419 And the mother of my wonderful boys.