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In the criminal justice system,

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sexually-based offenses
are considered especially heinous.

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In New York City,

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the dedicated detectives who investigate
these vicious felonies are members

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of an elite squad known
as The Special Victims Unit.

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These are their stories.

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What've we got?

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A dead victim, head bashed in,

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privates exposed.

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Tech found seminal fluid on the face, 
legs and mouth, and we thought of you.

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Was she a resident of the building?

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He.

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We've ID'd him as Seth Langdon.

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He lived in the building on the sixth floor.

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Nice twobedroom but he lived 
alone as far as we could tell.

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Looks like this is where it went down.

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This guy didn't die quietly.

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Somebody must've heard something.

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They did. There was 
a loud party in the building in 3B.

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Pretty ironic ending, 
don't you think?

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Why's that?

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Well, him being 
Seth Langdon and all.

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Son of William H. Langdon?

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Head of The Moral Coalition?

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Yeah, the guy who's always going around 
preaching about good clean wholesome living.

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Believes homosexuality can be cured.

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That's one way to fix 'em.

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Law and Order SVU 
1x10  Closure (1)

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ORIGINAL AIR DATE ON NBC: 2000/01/07

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What's going on?

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Here, John.

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What's this?

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Police union found us 
better health insurance.

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This form is longer 
than the last book I read.

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Don't you see what they're doing?

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They're looking out for you, Munch.

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Psychiatric coverage 
increased to 80%/2.

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Relax, it's just a medical form.

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Right, as soon as they find out 
that your mother had diabetes

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or that your father had 
male pattern baldness...

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sorry, Chief...

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they'll have your entire genealogical... 
not to mention, genetic fingerprint.

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They'll know when you're gonna die,

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how it's gonna occur and what 
song you want sung at your funeral.

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There's two "r"s in hemorrhoids.

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I'm a desk jockey, 
what do you want from me?

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See, she's got the right idea.

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Leave the father's side blank, 
that'll mess 'em up.

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Let's keep our eyes on our own paper.

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Okay, talk to me about 
our rooftop homicide, people.

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Name's Seth Langdon.

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White male, 21.

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He was at a party on 
the third floor of his building,

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made his way up to
the rooftop around 1:00 am.,

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there was seminal 
fluid found on the victim...

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we're assuming it's premortem.

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Genitals were exposed.

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He was beat up pretty good, culminating in his 
head being bashed up against the AC unit.

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- Lover's quarrel.  
- Sexual predator from the party?

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Initial ME report has 
two types of seminal fluid...

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- one the victim's...
- The other the doer's?

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What do you say we start with the hosts,
work our way through the guest list.

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Langdon? I just read
this piece about William Langdon,

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spouting off about how
homosexuals can be cured.

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- Victim was his son.
- Get out of here.

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One out of every 10 men is gay.

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Let's see how Mr. Langdon felt
about that statistic hitting home.

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Don't make any more barbs
about Benson's father.

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Excuse me?

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You don't know the history there?

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No, what was he, an alcoholic?

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Deadbeat dad? Jehovah's Witness?

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The only thing she knows about him was
he was the man who raped her mother.

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Moral Coalition
520 West 69th Street
Monday, November 22

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Excuse me, who are you?

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How did you get by reception?

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We're Detectives Benson and Stabler. 
We need to see William Langdon.

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Mr. Langdon's not 
seeing anyone today.

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We're not here selling Amway.

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It's all right, Steven,

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you can let them in.

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Do you have any idea who might 
want to do this to your son?

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No.

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Was he involved with anyone?

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Did he have a boyfriend?

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Or boyfriends?

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My son was not a homosexual.

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Mr. Langdon, you are aware
of the circumstances of your son's death?

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Seth was merely...

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going through a rebellious phase, 
all children do.

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We had it under control.

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Just how do you control
a person's natural sexual orientation?

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Homosexuality is not natural.

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It is a crime against God.

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And AIDS is divine retribution.

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Are you being flippant with me?

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We're really just trying to find
your son's killer, Mr. Langdon.

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That's our only agenda here.

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Seth was so confused.

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I did everything I could to help him.

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I got him into one of those 
sexual rehabilitation centers.

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They have an excellent success rate.

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Seth completed the 
program two months ago.

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Meaning he was "cured"?

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Yes.

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So, the party got 
a little bit out of hand.

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Oh, I see.

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You hear "gay" and "party"

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and naturally you think S and M orgy.

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No, but the last party I went to, 
everyone made it home alive.

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The victim's blood alcohol was 0.15.

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If you were a bartender
you'd be legally responsible.

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I haven't tended bar 
since Studio 54 closed.

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Think... did anybody, for any reason,

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stand out that night 
in one way or another?

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If they didn't, they wouldn't 
have gotten in the door.

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Our guests were very prominent 
members of the community.

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Prominent or not, 
we need their names and addresses.

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How well did you know Seth?

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He just moved in recently.

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I guess we saw him a handful 
of times in the building's gym.

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He's a nice kid.

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Still finding himself... 
so much turmoil.

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Seth hook up with 
anybody at this party?

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On the contrary, 
you might say he unhooked...

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from the goodlooking blond 
gentleman he walked in the door with.

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This man have a name?

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He didn't stay long 
enough for us to catch it.

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After one drink, 
Seth got a little flirtatious.

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His friend got upset 
and insisted they leave.

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The next thing, they're 
exchanging words in the hallway.

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They leave together?

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No.

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Seth came back in by himself,

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grabbed a bottle of beer 
and headed for the balcony,

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we assumed, to cool down.

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What happened on the 
roof was outside of our world.

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This was a very civilized gathering.

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"Just stay out of my life!"

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And then we hear a beer 
bottle smash outside our window.

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Is this your apartment?

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Yeah, the ground floor apartment.

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It's the only way 
we can afford this building.

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On top of which I do light maintenance
and my husband's the weekend super.

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These are the detectives
investigating that man's murder.

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Can't believe it happened.

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What do you know
about the parties in 3B?

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Normally they're quiet.

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Except last night, we get three phone 
calls complaining about the music.

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Finally, Jesse had to 
go up and talk to them.

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And what time was that?

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Around 1:00.

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By any chance, did you 
happen to see him at that time?

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No, I didn't go in. I just asked them 
to turn down the music and I left.

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When you heard the bottle smash, 
you look out the window?

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Yes.

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And what'd you see?

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A blond guy getting 
into a Lincoln Town Car,

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you know, the chauffeurdriven type.

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Anything come up on 
any of the party guests?

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No, I just started inputting them.

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What?

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Your father comment I made earlier,

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I didn't know he was a... you know.

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A rapist.

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I know.

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Listen,

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Cragen and Stabler know. 
Otherwise l...

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Got it.

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- Thanks.
- Ever catch the guy?

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- Nope.
- Were there any leads at the time?

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Nope.

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You ever need to talk to anybody,

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I'm here.

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Okay.

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Hey, we got the kid 
on the car service.

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The man picked up in 
front of the victim's building,

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was driven to a brownstone 
on the Upper East Side.

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Name is Steven Hale.

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Good.

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Home Of Steven Hale
259 East 76th Street
Tuesday, November 23

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What are you doing here?

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You're boss had no idea, did he?

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About what?

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What you did to his son.

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Daddy,

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let's go!

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Why would a gay man 
work for Langdon,

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one of the most
conservative bigots in the country?

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Hale's not exactly 
open about his sexuality.

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Don't you think Hale's wife and kid think
he has an uncanny ability to accessorize?

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Have you seen him?

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- He doesn't accessorize all that well.
- Maybe Hale's not gay.

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Right.

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How do you prove it?

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One very tried and true way... 
jealousy.

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Witnesses said Hale was jealous
when Seth started hitting on other guys.

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Ah, the old greeneyed monster.

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Maybe Hale thought that by 
working for Langdon he'd be cured.

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Like Langdon thought Camp
Wild Bunch cured his own son.

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And Daddy knows best.

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And makes damn sure 
everyone else knows it.

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I don't know how people, 
smart people,

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educated people, think that way.

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I mean actually think you can 
change the way somebody's wired.

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You know anyone who 
would actually choose to be gay...

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risk family rejection...

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- discrimination?
- I mean, Choose all that heartache?

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Heartache is not 
unique to being gay.

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But I know what you mean.

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In those camps one of the treatments
is electroshock therapy to the groin.

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- Sound familiar?  
- Yeah, Avenal's tried it on sex offenders.

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Yeah. With much the same success.

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You're saying we're 
like William H. Langdon?

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No, we don't try to rewire people. 
We try to contain them.

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Look at him.
Steven Hale is fuming.

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He's been living a lie, 
we happen to catch him at it.

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Of course he's mad.

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Specifically, he's mad at you.

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Which is why we thought 
you'd have better luck with him.

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Yeah, you're smart and
God knows you're patient.

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I am not a homosexual!

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Okay.

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Part of my job was 
to keep an eye on Seth.

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Mr. Langdon is seriously eyeing 
a run for a congressional seat,

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but the scandal of an 
openly homosexual son...

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Look at the damage the 
lesbian sister caused Newt.

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Actually, she was a halfsister.

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She may have been a halfsister but 
unfortunately for Newt, she was all lesbian.

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You don't think Newt's problems had 
anything to do with his ethics violations

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or him being a pedantic megalomaniac
who espouses family values

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while serving his cancerstricken 
wife with divorce papers

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while she's on her hospital deathbed?

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Did that ever occur to you?

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Anybody know where Cassidy is?

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Seth didn't show up at his 
father's fundraiser that night,

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Mr. Langdon asked me 
to check up on him.

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But when I got to his floor,
Seth brushed right by me.

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I followed, 
giving him a piece of my mind,

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and the next thing I knew,

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I find myself at that party.

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You were upset that 
he was flirting, right?

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Because it was revolting.

245
00:11:31,648 --> 00:11:34,664
Of course, I tried to 
persuade him to leave.

246
00:11:34,664 --> 00:11:36,085
He wouldn't but...

247
00:11:36,085 --> 00:11:38,764
- And what he said on the balcony?  
- Was not a breakup.

248
00:11:38,764 --> 00:11:42,856
"Stay out of my life" was 
a message to his father.

249
00:11:43,842 --> 00:11:45,820
If only I tried harder to 
get him away from there,

250
00:11:45,820 --> 00:11:47,554
he'd still be alive.

251
00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,844
Okay, guys, where do we stand?

252
00:11:51,844 --> 00:11:53,996
The wife confirms that
he never left the house

253
00:11:53,996 --> 00:11:56,298
after the car service dropped
him off around 12:30.

254
00:11:56,298 --> 00:11:58,369
He is mentioned 
in the victim's journal.

255
00:11:58,369 --> 00:12:01,931
But only in pejorative terms. 
Believe me, No love affair there.

256
00:12:01,931 --> 00:12:05,160
And Mr. Langdon confirmed that 
he sent him to check on his son.

257
00:12:05,941 --> 00:12:07,351
We send Steven Hale home.

258
00:12:07,351 --> 00:12:10,313
With our apologies 
for the inconvenience?

259
00:12:10,313 --> 00:12:11,523
Of course.

260
00:12:11,523 --> 00:12:14,392
Okay, I guess that takes us 
back to the party guests.

261
00:12:14,392 --> 00:12:18,136
Yeah, I crossreferenced 
them against the journal, but

262
00:12:18,136 --> 00:12:19,652
no history with any of them.

263
00:12:19,652 --> 00:12:21,635
Wow, this is some shindig.

264
00:12:21,635 --> 00:12:23,697
We've got names 
from the "Social Register,"

265
00:12:23,697 --> 00:12:26,520
an assemblyman,
a major AIDS fundraiser.

266
00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,307
None of whom are likely to 
be big fans of the victim's father.

267
00:12:29,307 --> 00:12:32,760
Prominent or not, 
let's check 'em all.

268
00:12:36,674 --> 00:12:38,872
Andre Lasnik?

269
00:12:39,274 --> 00:12:40,760
I'm in the middle of rehearsal here.

270
00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,338
And we're in the middle 
of a homicide investigation.

271
00:12:46,682 --> 00:12:47,879
Seth Langdon...

272
00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:49,671
did you have any interaction with him?

273
00:12:49,671 --> 00:12:53,510
We were introduced in passing. 
It's horrible what happened.

274
00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:55,073
What time did you leave the party?

275
00:12:55,073 --> 00:12:56,683
After 1:00...

276
00:12:56,683 --> 00:12:59,120
with my first chair bassoon and...

277
00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,410
another couple.

278
00:13:00,410 --> 00:13:02,578
Lee Vaughn and Joaquin Morano.

279
00:13:02,578 --> 00:13:04,401
We took a taxi to the Carlyle.

280
00:13:04,401 --> 00:13:06,932
We understand that Seth was very...

281
00:13:06,932 --> 00:13:08,466
friendly at the party.

282
00:13:08,466 --> 00:13:10,722
And that you two 
seemed particularly chummy.

283
00:13:10,722 --> 00:13:14,882
Look, I'm almost 20 years his senior.

284
00:13:14,882 --> 00:13:17,232
We talked about his childhood.

285
00:13:17,232 --> 00:13:20,465
I gathered, due to 
the dynamic with the father,

286
00:13:20,465 --> 00:13:25,770
Seth probably sought out the affections
of older men or unobtainable men.

287
00:13:25,770 --> 00:13:29,389
So you of course did the noble thing?

288
00:13:30,333 --> 00:13:32,119
I admit I was torn.

289
00:13:32,119 --> 00:13:36,556
I excused myself to the restroom
to get perspective.

290
00:13:36,556 --> 00:13:38,091
When I came out he was gone.

291
00:13:38,091 --> 00:13:40,211
Was anyone else gone 
when you got back?

292
00:13:40,211 --> 00:13:41,944
Not that I noticed.

293
00:13:41,944 --> 00:13:43,530
Maybe you could tell from the tape.

294
00:13:43,530 --> 00:13:45,123
What tape is that?

295
00:13:45,824 --> 00:13:48,721
One of the guests had a camcorder.
Had it going the whole time.

296
00:13:48,721 --> 00:13:51,228
Assemblyman Rossi's boyfriend, Joe.

297
00:13:51,228 --> 00:13:53,240
Joe Bandolini.

298
00:13:54,350 --> 00:13:55,629
Officer Bandolini?

299
00:13:55,629 --> 00:13:58,162
Yeah? / Hey, can we have 
a few minutes of your time?

300
00:13:58,162 --> 00:13:59,729
In private?

301
00:14:12,990 --> 00:14:14,295
The Langdon case?

302
00:14:14,295 --> 00:14:16,293
We understand you have 
a videotape of the party.

303
00:14:16,293 --> 00:14:17,951
The party, not the murder.

304
00:14:17,951 --> 00:14:20,432
Your tape could show the 
events leading up to the murder.

305
00:14:20,432 --> 00:14:22,127
It doesn't.

306
00:14:22,841 --> 00:14:24,885
You mind if we judge 
that for ourselves?

307
00:14:24,885 --> 00:14:26,360
Actually I do.

308
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,969
I've managed to keep my personal life 
and the job completely separate.

309
00:14:29,969 --> 00:14:32,063
No one in my squad knows, 
not even my partner.

310
00:14:32,063 --> 00:14:33,449
I'd like to keep it that way.

311
00:14:33,449 --> 00:14:36,981
We are not looking to change that.
This'll be handled with discretion.

312
00:14:36,981 --> 00:14:38,109
Right.

313
00:14:38,109 --> 00:14:40,895
Tape goes into evidence and somehow 
finds itself circulating the precinct,

314
00:14:40,895 --> 00:14:42,384
- I'm finished.
- It's not gonna happen.

315
00:14:42,384 --> 00:14:44,838
You're right, it's not.

316
00:14:45,389 --> 00:14:47,283
You gonna make us get a warrant?

317
00:14:50,161 --> 00:14:51,682
Look, I'm a good cop.

318
00:14:51,682 --> 00:14:54,677
If there was anything on that tape 
to help your investigation, I'd tell you.

319
00:14:54,677 --> 00:14:56,422
Not good enough.

320
00:14:56,535 --> 00:14:58,785
You'll do right by us, I promise you...

321
00:14:59,007 --> 00:15:02,921
I'm promising you 
we'll do right by you.

322
00:15:05,068 --> 00:15:08,037
I'll come by your squadroom 
in the morning.

323
00:15:12,605 --> 00:15:14,830

55th Precinct
Vice Squad
Thusday, November 23

324
00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:16,402
How did we solve cases back then?

325
00:15:16,402 --> 00:15:20,064
No FBI link up, no DNA, 
no high-tech forensics.

326
00:15:20,064 --> 00:15:22,186
Cood old fashioned shoe leather.

327
00:15:22,186 --> 00:15:23,972
Was Conklin a good detective?

328
00:15:23,972 --> 00:15:26,753
One of the best,
may he rest in peace.

329
00:15:26,753 --> 00:15:28,716
I wish I could've talked to him.

330
00:15:28,716 --> 00:15:31,095
Would've gotten you 
more than reading his notes.

331
00:15:31,536 --> 00:15:33,823
He was a spotty note taker,

332
00:15:33,823 --> 00:15:36,488
but up here, a steel trap.

333
00:15:37,009 --> 00:15:40,795
He remembered every 
detail of every case he worked.

334
00:15:41,356 --> 00:15:44,018
He didn't have much 
on the Benson case.

335
00:15:44,892 --> 00:15:47,342
Any idea what "Pull in CK" means?

336
00:15:47,342 --> 00:15:49,819
CK, this is '68.

337
00:15:49,819 --> 00:15:51,838
That's gotta be Carl Kudlak.

338
00:15:51,838 --> 00:15:54,632
We pulled him in on 
a bunch of rapes back then.

339
00:15:54,632 --> 00:15:56,778
Took us forever 
to finally pin one on him.

340
00:15:56,778 --> 00:15:59,658
- Why's that?
- Had a wife who alibied him every time.

341
00:16:00,677 --> 00:16:02,706
She killed herself in '72...

342
00:16:02,706 --> 00:16:04,391
or we never would've gotten him.

343
00:16:05,059 --> 00:16:06,929
Thanks.

344
00:16:10,441 --> 00:16:11,846
You wanted to see me?

345
00:16:11,846 --> 00:16:13,281
Can you shut the door?

346
00:16:14,892 --> 00:16:17,128
I believe you've 
met Officer Bandolini.

347
00:16:17,128 --> 00:16:20,749
And this is Mr. Shore,
his GOAL representative.

348
00:16:20,749 --> 00:16:21,807
GOAL?

349
00:16:21,807 --> 00:16:25,421
Do we really need the Gay Officers
Action League involved in all this?

350
00:16:25,867 --> 00:16:30,011
We understand you and your partner
have been harassing Officer Bandolini.

351
00:16:30,011 --> 00:16:31,547
I'm afraid we have to intervene.

352
00:16:31,547 --> 00:16:32,830
Harassed?

353
00:16:32,830 --> 00:16:34,941
We in no way harassed your officer.

354
00:16:34,941 --> 00:16:38,083
We asked for him to turn 
over a piece of evidence to us.

355
00:16:38,083 --> 00:16:40,433
We don't consider 
threats of legal action

356
00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:42,550
and public humiliation a courtesy.

357
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:43,456
- Public humiliation?  
- Okay, okay.

358
00:16:43,456 --> 00:16:46,756
Obviously, there's 
a misunderstanding here, alright?

359
00:16:46,756 --> 00:16:48,584
Just don't forget 
we're all on the same side.

360
00:16:48,584 --> 00:16:50,817
Let's sit down and see if 
we can work this out amicably.

361
00:16:50,817 --> 00:16:53,574
That's necessary. 
We've both reviewed the tape

362
00:16:53,574 --> 00:16:56,050
and I assure you it contains 
no compelling evidence.

363
00:16:56,050 --> 00:16:59,365
With all due respect, sir,
that's really our call to make.

364
00:16:59,365 --> 00:17:02,128
All we need to do is to view it.

365
00:17:02,128 --> 00:17:05,155
You have your needs, 
we have our rights.

366
00:17:05,155 --> 00:17:06,490
Meanwhile,

367
00:17:06,490 --> 00:17:08,817
if Officer Bandolini is outed,

368
00:17:08,817 --> 00:17:10,883
even accidentally on purpose,

369
00:17:10,883 --> 00:17:14,783
you'll be hit with a defamation suit
that will make your head spin.

370
00:17:19,699 --> 00:17:21,177
Thank you.

371
00:17:29,225 --> 00:17:31,392
Well, this is just great.

372
00:17:31,392 --> 00:17:33,293
They filed an injunction.

373
00:17:33,293 --> 00:17:35,344
I think you better get 
Benson in here. / Yep.

374
00:17:38,435 --> 00:17:40,643
I had a little free time last night,

375
00:17:40,643 --> 00:17:43,369
- so I looked up your case.
- The Langdon case?

376
00:17:43,444 --> 00:17:45,449
No, your mother's.

377
00:17:46,412 --> 00:17:49,462
The detective who investigated is dead
so I spoke to one of his proteges.

378
00:17:49,462 --> 00:17:51,492
Munch, it's not that

379
00:17:51,492 --> 00:17:53,324
I don't appreciate the thought, but

380
00:17:53,324 --> 00:17:54,448
I'm already on it.

381
00:17:54,448 --> 00:17:57,612
I can't tell you how many times 
I've gone over the report,

382
00:17:57,612 --> 00:17:59,996
listened to his statement, 
gone through six packs.

383
00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:01,676
Spoke to investigators, 
visited the crime scene?

384
00:18:01,676 --> 00:18:03,191
Trust me...

385
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:07,371
I've pulled everything there is to pull.

386
00:18:07,371 --> 00:18:09,853
I don't think this was pullable.

387
00:18:14,033 --> 00:18:17,442
I don't know what it will come to,
but from what I've heard,

388
00:18:17,442 --> 00:18:19,013
he's right for it.

389
00:18:19,013 --> 00:18:20,488
You bothering my partner?

390
00:18:20,488 --> 00:18:21,825
No.

391
00:18:23,953 --> 00:18:25,618
No.

392
00:18:29,513 --> 00:18:33,032

Forensics Laboratory
One Police Plaza
Wednesday, November 24

393
00:18:33,217 --> 00:18:36,533
I have to warn you, 
The RFLP wasn't back yet.

394
00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:40,853
But I ran a couple of quick test results
through the databank, and I got a hit.

395
00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:41,940
What's the name?

396
00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:44,218
This isn't going to hold 
up in court, mind you,

397
00:18:44,218 --> 00:18:47,023
but I ran the PCR 
and the mitochondrial.

398
00:18:47,023 --> 00:18:49,120
- They're quick but...
- The name?

399
00:18:50,145 --> 00:18:51,763
Ray Gunther.

400
00:18:52,782 --> 00:18:54,642
Why do I know that name?

401
00:18:55,338 --> 00:18:56,683
We studied him at the academy.

402
00:18:56,683 --> 00:18:59,898
He was the guy who terrorized women 
for an entire summer in the early '80s.

403
00:18:59,898 --> 00:19:02,148
He was known 
as the Parkway Rapist.

404
00:19:02,314 --> 00:19:04,286
But they put him away.

405
00:19:04,793 --> 00:19:06,622
He's out.

406
00:19:06,748 --> 00:19:09,368
There's no way 
they would release Ray Gunther.

407
00:19:09,368 --> 00:19:11,022
He brutally raped seven women...

408
00:19:11,022 --> 00:19:13,149
two of which had to
have reconstructive surgery.

409
00:19:13,149 --> 00:19:14,908
Maybe he escaped.

410
00:19:15,031 --> 00:19:16,299
Anything from SingSing?

411
00:19:16,299 --> 00:19:18,350
They've had me on hold for 10 minutes.

412
00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:21,196
If he escaped, he took 
the whole administrative staff with him.

413
00:19:21,196 --> 00:19:24,640
Yes, I need to speak with the
DA who handled the Ray Gunther case.

414
00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:26,036
He was paroled.

415
00:19:26,036 --> 00:19:27,312
That was my guess.

416
00:19:27,312 --> 00:19:28,610
When?

417
00:19:28,610 --> 00:19:29,816
A month ago.

418
00:19:29,816 --> 00:19:30,803
Why?

419
00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:33,066
He served 15 of his 25 to life.

420
00:19:33,066 --> 00:19:36,118
Prisons are overcrowded, you know 
that got to make room somehow.

421
00:19:36,118 --> 00:19:37,941
So by all means let out Ray Gunther,

422
00:19:37,941 --> 00:19:40,470
Yeah. knowing the recidivism 
rate of sexual predators.

423
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:42,735
He's gotta file with the
Sex Offender's Registry.

424
00:19:42,735 --> 00:19:43,875
We got an address?

425
00:19:43,875 --> 00:19:45,042
We do.

426
00:19:45,042 --> 00:19:47,717
And you shouldn't have 
too much trouble finding it.

427
00:19:47,717 --> 00:19:50,781
It's in the same building 
where Seth Langdon was killed.

428
00:20:01,410 --> 00:20:02,568
Uh, hi.

429
00:20:02,568 --> 00:20:04,236
Hey, Jesse Hansen, right?

430
00:20:04,236 --> 00:20:06,204
Detectives, did you catch the guy?

431
00:20:06,204 --> 00:20:08,561
No, but we think we're pretty close.

432
00:20:09,869 --> 00:20:12,554
Do you need anything else?
Do you have any more questions?

433
00:20:12,554 --> 00:20:14,068
Just one.

434
00:20:14,068 --> 00:20:16,538
Is there a Ray Gunther staying with you?

435
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,822
No, no one staying with us.

436
00:20:18,822 --> 00:20:20,444
That's funny.

437
00:20:20,488 --> 00:20:23,878
This is the address he 
gave authorities after his parole.

438
00:20:23,987 --> 00:20:26,391
Any idea why he 
would've done that?

439
00:20:27,754 --> 00:20:29,433
He's my brother.

440
00:20:31,947 --> 00:20:34,275
So why'd you change 
your last name, Jesse?

441
00:20:35,712 --> 00:20:36,831
Come on,

442
00:20:36,831 --> 00:20:40,563
you legally change your last name.
There's got to be a reason for that.

443
00:20:42,518 --> 00:20:45,300
Was "Gunther" not too popular 
a name in your neighborhood?

444
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:46,515
No, it wasn't.

445
00:20:46,515 --> 00:20:48,301
Yeah, People give you 
a hard time about it, I bet.

446
00:20:48,301 --> 00:20:49,569
Yeah, they did. / Yeah.

447
00:20:49,569 --> 00:20:52,418
Don't let Ray cause any more 
trouble than he already has.

448
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,320
Just tell us where he is.

449
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,357
- I don't know where he is.
- But you know what he did.

450
00:21:00,852 --> 00:21:02,628
Don't you?

451
00:21:02,628 --> 00:21:04,247
Why do we have to be separated?

452
00:21:04,247 --> 00:21:05,914
It's just standard procedure.

453
00:21:05,914 --> 00:21:08,872
I know my husband. 
He's not going to say anything.

454
00:21:08,958 --> 00:21:11,949
But you don't know the
psychological hold that Ray has over him.

455
00:21:11,949 --> 00:21:13,258
We're listening.

456
00:21:13,258 --> 00:21:16,547
Jesse was 15 when
 they locked Ray up.

457
00:21:17,409 --> 00:21:20,394
Reporters snuck into his high school 
and asked him questions...

458
00:21:20,394 --> 00:21:22,897
in front of his classmates.

459
00:21:23,767 --> 00:21:27,282
Jesse said he thought 
Ray should be put to death.

460
00:21:27,282 --> 00:21:29,490
They ran that as a headline.

461
00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:31,962
Ray has been working 
that guilt ever since.

462
00:21:31,962 --> 00:21:34,428
Is that why Jesse let him stay 
with you when he got out?

463
00:21:34,428 --> 00:21:37,169
Yes, but I couldn't take it after a week.

464
00:21:37,169 --> 00:21:38,756
I had to put my foot down.

465
00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:42,478
He was talking to Jesse about getting
him a job in his construction crew.

466
00:21:42,478 --> 00:21:43,803
That would have been bad?

467
00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:45,255
It would've ruined his life.

468
00:21:45,255 --> 00:21:47,851
Because they would've found 
out he was Ray's brother.

469
00:21:47,985 --> 00:21:50,798
Because they would've 
found out he was a Gunther.

470
00:21:50,798 --> 00:21:53,083
The whole family's bad.

471
00:21:53,197 --> 00:21:55,880
The father was in and out 
of jail his whole miserable life,

472
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,941
The mother is a piece of garbage.

473
00:21:57,941 --> 00:22:00,090
And I don't have 
to tell you about Ray.

474
00:22:01,174 --> 00:22:04,938
There is nothing but 
bad blood in that whole family.

475
00:22:05,117 --> 00:22:08,785
Did you see Ray in your building
the night Seth was killed?

476
00:22:13,269 --> 00:22:15,920
He was in our apartment 
till 1:00 in the morning.

477
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:16,930
Where is he now?

478
00:22:16,930 --> 00:22:18,616
I don't know.

479
00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:23,226
There's a piece of white trash,

480
00:22:23,226 --> 00:22:25,910
used to visit him in prison...

481
00:22:26,163 --> 00:22:27,954
stripper named Cindy Stocklash...

482
00:22:27,954 --> 00:22:29,447
might be shacked up with her.

483
00:22:29,447 --> 00:22:31,551
Any clue where she could be?

484
00:22:31,551 --> 00:22:33,049
The one time I met her,

485
00:22:33,049 --> 00:22:36,655
she was explaining how 
she wanted to change motels.

486
00:22:36,655 --> 00:22:38,467
Apparently, hers didn't get porn.

487
00:22:38,467 --> 00:22:40,337
Porn.

488
00:22:40,823 --> 00:22:42,575
That narrows it down.

489
00:22:47,512 --> 00:22:50,037

Please state your name, miss.

490
00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:52,747

Serina Benson.

491
00:22:52,747 --> 00:22:54,649
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Address?

492
00:22:54,914 --> 00:22:58,140

1104 West End Avenue, 
Apartment B.

493
00:22:58,140 --> 00:23:00,034

You were raped?

494
00:23:00,745 --> 00:23:02,091

Yes.

495
00:23:02,091 --> 00:23:04,443

You gotta speak up, honey.

496
00:23:05,779 --> 00:23:07,664

The a...

497
00:23:07,787 --> 00:23:10,716

campus library closed at midnight.

498
00:23:10,716 --> 00:23:14,469

I took the shortcut home I always take.

499
00:23:14,469 --> 00:23:17,523

It was darker than usual.

500
00:23:18,071 --> 00:23:22,852

I was halfway through when 
something hit me from behind.

501
00:23:22,852 --> 00:23:25,050
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You were knocked unconscious?

502
00:23:25,050 --> 00:23:26,527

Yes.

503
00:23:28,166 --> 00:23:33,422

When I came to I was on a landing
below street level.

504
00:23:33,733 --> 00:23:39,291

There was a man on top of me.

505
00:23:39,445 --> 00:23:42,415

He was...

506
00:23:42,415 --> 00:23:45,026

he pushed on my dress.

507
00:23:46,647 --> 00:23:49,053

He engaged in sexual intercourse?

508
00:23:53,593 --> 00:23:56,028

Can you describe him?

509
00:23:57,613 --> 00:24:00,829

He had sideburns and...

510
00:24:01,752 --> 00:24:03,330

I don't know.

511
00:24:04,395 --> 00:24:06,978

Everything looked distorted.

512
00:24:14,164 --> 00:24:16,007
What number was that, four?

513
00:24:23,239 --> 00:24:25,072
Come on! Come on!

514
00:24:27,972 --> 00:24:29,884
- Who is it?  
- Detectives, Ms. Stocklash.

515
00:24:29,884 --> 00:24:31,774
We'd like to ask you a few questions.

516
00:24:32,844 --> 00:24:34,974
Everything okay in there?

517
00:24:37,513 --> 00:24:39,372
What do we have here?
Ray Gunther.

518
00:24:39,372 --> 00:24:41,053
You okay? / Nope.

519
00:24:41,053 --> 00:24:42,153
Good.

520
00:24:42,678 --> 00:24:44,932
Ray? Did you hurt him?

521
00:24:44,932 --> 00:24:46,327
Did they hurt you, Ray?

522
00:24:46,327 --> 00:24:47,444
Don't you touch him!

523
00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:48,735
You shut the hell up!

524
00:24:48,735 --> 00:24:49,794
He didn't do nothing.

525
00:24:49,794 --> 00:24:51,636
I said, shut up!

526
00:24:52,884 --> 00:24:55,062
I'm sorry, 
what is it you think I did?

527
00:24:55,062 --> 00:24:57,436
You're under arrest for 
the murder of Seth Langdon.

528
00:24:57,436 --> 00:24:58,755
You don't have jack.

529
00:24:58,755 --> 00:25:01,979
Yeah, you're right. All we have are witnesses
 who put you at the building that night.

530
00:25:01,979 --> 00:25:03,197
Didn't we have something else?

531
00:25:03,197 --> 00:25:04,428
Oh, yeah.

532
00:25:04,428 --> 00:25:06,405
You left a little evidence 
in the victims mouth.

533
00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:07,504
Ray!

534
00:25:07,504 --> 00:25:09,165
Don't worry, 
they got the wrong guy.

535
00:25:09,165 --> 00:25:11,309
Wrong guy, 
but you'll look right to the jury.

536
00:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,522
Out one month and 
back to your old tricks.

537
00:25:13,522 --> 00:25:16,471
Think you'd throw them by 
switching from highways to rooftops?

538
00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:19,298
You used the same excessive force.
You beat your victims to a pulp,

539
00:25:19,298 --> 00:25:20,666
just like you did Seth, Ray.

540
00:25:20,666 --> 00:25:23,862
But you had a little trouble adjusting 
back to civilian sex, didn't you, Ray?

541
00:25:23,862 --> 00:25:25,410
He didn't have no trouble.

542
00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:27,036
Shut up!

543
00:25:27,388 --> 00:25:28,663
You're a little confused.

544
00:25:28,663 --> 00:25:30,467
Okay, why Seth? 
Why'd you pick him?

545
00:25:30,467 --> 00:25:33,068
- I didn't pick nobody.
- Did you even know him?

546
00:25:33,068 --> 00:25:35,057
I used to see him in the gym.

547
00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:38,002
Me and Jesse used to work out everyday. 
Sometimes he'd be there.

548
00:25:38,002 --> 00:25:39,237
He was pathetic.

549
00:25:39,237 --> 00:25:41,263
Him trying to pump 
up that puny body of his.

550
00:25:41,263 --> 00:25:42,923
So what happened? 
What? Did he hit on you?

551
00:25:42,923 --> 00:25:45,298
Or was it you?
Did you like them puny like that?

552
00:25:45,298 --> 00:25:48,241
Now that you mention it, he did 
remind me of a bitch I had in prison.

553
00:25:48,241 --> 00:25:49,224
You're pathetic.

554
00:25:49,224 --> 00:25:52,068
What's wrong, 
you jealous, sweetheart?

555
00:25:52,068 --> 00:25:53,400
Easy.

556
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,977
Not sweetheart.

557
00:25:54,977 --> 00:25:57,288
That's Detective Benson, all right?

558
00:25:57,288 --> 00:25:59,354
I want an apology from you.

559
00:26:00,157 --> 00:26:03,022
I don't need an apology 
from this slimebag.

560
00:26:03,712 --> 00:26:08,004
But I am starting to get really sick
of the sarcastic little remarks, Ray.

561
00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:15,403
Look, if this is about me getting 
a little overzealous with Ray...

562
00:26:16,212 --> 00:26:18,284
- What are you talking about?
- Nothing. What's up?

563
00:26:19,419 --> 00:26:21,022
We got real problems here.

564
00:26:21,022 --> 00:26:22,995
The lab just got the 
full DNA report back.

565
00:26:22,995 --> 00:26:23,949
Yeah, and?

566
00:26:23,949 --> 00:26:26,574
And it ain't Ray's.

567
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:32,417
Now remember, I told you the DNA results 
I gave you wouldn't stand up in court.

568
00:26:32,417 --> 00:26:35,139
All I remember is you giving 
us the name Ray Gunther.

569
00:26:35,139 --> 00:26:38,830
Yeah, but when I gave you Ray's name,
it was off the quickest tests available.

570
00:26:38,830 --> 00:26:40,458
Of which there are two.

571
00:26:40,458 --> 00:26:43,429
Naturally, I assumed 
the hit came from the PCR.

572
00:26:43,429 --> 00:26:46,006
As it turns out, 
the results weren't from PCR

573
00:26:46,006 --> 00:26:48,823
which narrows it
down one in thousands

574
00:26:48,823 --> 00:26:52,751
as compared to RFLP which 
narrows it down one in billions.

575
00:26:52,751 --> 00:26:54,805
This actually came 
from the mitochonrial.

576
00:26:54,805 --> 00:26:55,835
What's the difference?

577
00:26:55,835 --> 00:26:59,076
Mitochonrial only narrows 
it down to bloodline.

578
00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:01,573
So while it's definitely not Ray,

579
00:27:01,573 --> 00:27:04,871
you are still looking for 
somebody from that family.

580
00:27:04,871 --> 00:27:06,845
A father, a son...

581
00:27:06,845 --> 00:27:08,734
Or a brother.

582
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,056
Okay.

583
00:27:14,395 --> 00:27:16,339
Look, here's the problem.

584
00:27:17,158 --> 00:27:20,479
We got this pain in the ass DNA.

585
00:27:22,211 --> 00:27:24,296
This make any sense to you?

586
00:27:24,296 --> 00:27:25,988
No. / Yeah, me either,

587
00:27:25,988 --> 00:27:29,023
but it just let your 
brother off the hook.

588
00:27:29,132 --> 00:27:30,564
And it puts you in the hotseat.

589
00:27:30,564 --> 00:27:33,198
Which really doesn't 
make any sense to us.

590
00:27:33,198 --> 00:27:36,282
We know your brother's bad, 
but you've been clean your whole life.

591
00:27:36,282 --> 00:27:39,007
Can you explain this, Jesse?

592
00:27:39,143 --> 00:27:40,532
No.

593
00:27:40,532 --> 00:27:42,849
A blood sample will.

594
00:27:43,087 --> 00:27:44,543
I have to give one?

595
00:27:44,543 --> 00:27:46,363
We could hold you for 24 hours,

596
00:27:46,363 --> 00:27:49,084
during which time you know we could 
get a court order for you to take it.

597
00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:50,649
I got to tell you, though,

598
00:27:50,649 --> 00:27:54,136
refusing to take 
a blood test that'll clear you...

599
00:27:54,624 --> 00:27:56,694
that doesn't look good.

600
00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:58,033
Maybe...

601
00:27:58,033 --> 00:27:59,995
I should

602
00:27:59,995 --> 00:28:02,093
call a lawyer.

603
00:28:03,218 --> 00:28:05,177
You're free to go.

604
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:25,494
At his trial in '84, 
they had Ray dead to rights,

605
00:28:25,494 --> 00:28:26,936
so he made a sympathy play.

606
00:28:26,936 --> 00:28:28,475
Sympathy for a serial rapist? Right.

607
00:28:28,475 --> 00:28:30,279
What'd he say, 
"Women just don't understand me"?

608
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:35,331
No, claims he and Jesse were 
raped growing up by their dad.

609
00:28:35,331 --> 00:28:36,927
The old Menendez defense.

610
00:28:36,927 --> 00:28:39,556
Could explain a few things 
about good old Jesse, huh?

611
00:28:39,556 --> 00:28:41,623
Except the prosecution 
put Jesse on the stand

612
00:28:41,623 --> 00:28:44,641
and he said that Ray 
completely fabricated the story.

613
00:28:44,641 --> 00:28:46,403
So how do we know 
which one is lying?

614
00:28:46,403 --> 00:28:48,811
Don't worry, 
I'm sure he'll have plenty to say

615
00:28:48,811 --> 00:28:51,044
once we get the goahead 
to take his blood.

616
00:28:51,044 --> 00:28:53,452
How about you guys? 
You find anything?

617
00:28:53,452 --> 00:28:55,562
Just a pisspoor gene pool.

618
00:28:55,562 --> 00:28:57,550
You think Jesse was just born bad?

619
00:28:57,550 --> 00:28:59,628
?? 
Destiny isn't predetermined.

620
00:28:59,628 --> 00:29:02,208
I don't know, there've been 
cases of twins separated at birth,

621
00:29:02,208 --> 00:29:04,102
growing up in completely 
different environments,

622
00:29:04,102 --> 00:29:06,772
who go on to commit 
crimes with the same MOs.

623
00:29:06,772 --> 00:29:09,536
It's eerie. / Actually, They've 
proven transplanting genes

624
00:29:09,536 --> 00:29:12,509
from one species to
another can alter behavior.

625
00:29:12,509 --> 00:29:14,667
We're not rats, we're humans.

626
00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:17,655
It all comes down to how you were raised.
You instill morals, values,

627
00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:20,067
the kid'll turn out all right. 
If not, then you got trouble.

628
00:29:20,067 --> 00:29:21,789
Nature, nurture, ad nauseum...

629
00:29:21,789 --> 00:29:23,834
you're assuming 
a level playing field at birth.

630
00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:25,488
I don't know that there is.

631
00:29:30,087 --> 00:29:31,644
Hey, something wrong?

632
00:29:31,644 --> 00:29:33,507
It's just hitting a little close to home.

633
00:29:33,507 --> 00:29:34,865
How's that?

634
00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:38,624
The only way that 
Jesse makes sense in all this,

635
00:29:39,288 --> 00:29:42,377
is that they're fruit of 
the same poisoned tree.

636
00:29:42,757 --> 00:29:44,886
You don't really believe that, do you?

637
00:29:51,261 --> 00:29:54,758
I understand your DNA tech 
pulled a little Arkansas twostep.

638
00:29:54,758 --> 00:29:56,478
Actually took you to the brother first.

639
00:29:56,478 --> 00:29:58,633
Yeah, he's been ruled out.

640
00:29:58,633 --> 00:30:01,636
The only way his name came up at all was 
because it was the same bloodline.

641
00:30:01,636 --> 00:30:05,010
Jesse's lawyer is already 
waving the old ACLU banner

642
00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:06,351
asking, "Where does it stop?"

643
00:30:06,351 --> 00:30:08,736
"Are we going to test
every relative of Ray Gunther's?"

644
00:30:08,736 --> 00:30:12,091
No, just the one who 
lives in the victim's building.

645
00:30:12,701 --> 00:30:15,040
I fasttracked the hearing
on the blood test for tomorrow.

646
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,146
It would be nice to have a safety net. 
What have you got besides DNA?

647
00:30:18,146 --> 00:30:21,292
What we've got are lawyers 
sandbaging us at every turn.

648
00:30:21,292 --> 00:30:23,956
Right, the video.

649
00:30:24,187 --> 00:30:25,182
What video?

650
00:30:25,182 --> 00:30:27,831
Only Seth at a party 
minutes before his death.

651
00:30:27,831 --> 00:30:30,104
But that is tied up in litigation, too.

652
00:30:30,104 --> 00:30:32,199
Any way of getting it untied?

653
00:30:34,024 --> 00:30:37,269
Let me see if I can make
an end run of my own.

654
00:30:43,661 --> 00:30:45,571
Officer Bandolini.

655
00:30:46,156 --> 00:30:49,334
My representative is not 
going to be happy about this.

656
00:30:49,457 --> 00:30:52,222
I realize I'm bending procedure here.

657
00:30:52,222 --> 00:30:54,484
I appreciate you meeting with me.

658
00:30:56,808 --> 00:30:58,861
You know we need that tape.

659
00:30:58,861 --> 00:31:01,116
And you know what it can do to me.

660
00:31:01,565 --> 00:31:03,624
Oh, yeah.

661
00:31:07,244 --> 00:31:10,193
In 1926,

662
00:31:10,193 --> 00:31:13,086
Bobby Jones was 
winning the US Open.

663
00:31:13,086 --> 00:31:14,919
He hits his ball into the woods.

664
00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:17,505
He removes a leaf from under 
the ball and accidentally moves it.

665
00:31:17,505 --> 00:31:19,195
Now, nobody sees this.

666
00:31:19,195 --> 00:31:21,910
He hits it out, saves par.

667
00:31:22,589 --> 00:31:24,905
I assume there's a point to this story.

668
00:31:24,905 --> 00:31:27,208
Mr. Jones did the honorable thing.

669
00:31:27,208 --> 00:31:29,166
He declared the penalty.

670
00:31:29,984 --> 00:31:32,081
And he went on to win the Open?

671
00:31:32,081 --> 00:31:34,775
No, he lost by a stroke.

672
00:31:35,939 --> 00:31:38,864
But he said he never 
lost any sleep over it

673
00:31:38,864 --> 00:31:42,499
because he did the right thing.

674
00:31:42,598 --> 00:31:44,549
That was just a game.

675
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:47,125
This is my life we're talking about.

676
00:31:48,283 --> 00:31:50,814
And how are you sleeping?

677
00:31:56,071 --> 00:31:58,614
I don't know why I brought 
the damn camcorder to the party.

678
00:31:59,446 --> 00:32:02,305
That's what I keep 
kicking myself over.

679
00:32:02,547 --> 00:32:05,142
There's nothing illegal 
or criminal on that tape,

680
00:32:05,142 --> 00:32:06,069
but the consequences...

681
00:32:06,069 --> 00:32:09,819
I will do everything in my power 
to make sure there aren't any.

682
00:32:10,579 --> 00:32:12,897
You have my word on that.

683
00:32:25,021 --> 00:32:28,799
You planned on handing
this over all along, didn't you?

684
00:32:28,928 --> 00:32:30,831
Yeah.

685
00:32:31,632 --> 00:32:34,835
But I enjoyed the golf story.

686
00:32:40,683 --> 00:32:42,674
Okay, that's Seth.

687
00:32:44,899 --> 00:32:47,641
Okay, fast forward. Forward.

688
00:32:47,641 --> 00:32:49,466
Forward. / Stop!

689
00:32:50,384 --> 00:32:51,826
Rewind and play.

690
00:32:52,574 --> 00:32:53,795
Stop.

691
00:32:53,795 --> 00:32:56,813
Enhance section A6.

692
00:32:56,899 --> 00:32:58,868
Zoom in on the door.

693
00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:02,960
Yep, there's Jesse.

694
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,295
Let's see if he joins the party.

695
00:33:04,295 --> 00:33:06,527
You know a lot about 
video analyzing, Munch.

696
00:33:06,527 --> 00:33:08,088
I dabble a little.

697
00:33:09,181 --> 00:33:10,632
Damn it, 
he didn't even come in.

698
00:33:11,353 --> 00:33:13,187
Forward.

699
00:33:16,992 --> 00:33:18,727
Stop!

700
00:33:18,727 --> 00:33:21,189
Go back to the part 
about the door again.

701
00:33:23,634 --> 00:33:26,081
Go back to just 
before the door opened.

702
00:33:32,639 --> 00:33:34,287
Stop!

703
00:33:34,287 --> 00:33:36,787
Zoom in on the mirror.

704
00:33:41,862 --> 00:33:44,361
That ain't Jesse. That's Ray.

705
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:47,027
Back to Ray.

706
00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:48,533
We need to talk to Lorraine again

707
00:33:48,533 --> 00:33:51,476
find out what time each 
of them actually came back.

708
00:33:53,248 --> 00:33:55,259
I told you, 
Jesse came right back down.

709
00:33:55,259 --> 00:33:56,395
And Ray didn't come with him?

710
00:33:56,395 --> 00:33:58,259
No, we went 
to bed right after that.

711
00:33:58,259 --> 00:34:02,590
Mrs. Hansen, I need to tell you that 
providing a false alibi is a felony.

712
00:34:02,590 --> 00:34:05,556
It's insane you have my husband 
accused of his brother's crime.

713
00:34:05,556 --> 00:34:08,949
Ray has been hellbent on 
destroying Jesse his whole life.

714
00:34:08,949 --> 00:34:10,991
Why? Why would he
want to do that to him?

715
00:34:10,991 --> 00:34:12,513
I don't know.

716
00:34:18,128 --> 00:34:21,932
Ray would call from 
prison every week,

717
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:25,703
until Jesse would finally 
cave in and go see him.

718
00:34:25,995 --> 00:34:27,849
And after the visits,

719
00:34:27,849 --> 00:34:31,885
Jesse would come home and 
go into these deep depressions.

720
00:34:32,630 --> 00:34:34,899
He wouldn't talk to me about it.

721
00:34:35,141 --> 00:34:40,144
He'd just go on these alcohol binges

722
00:34:40,144 --> 00:34:43,624
and disappear, 
sometimes even for days.

723
00:34:44,902 --> 00:34:47,588
That must have been 
really hard for you.

724
00:34:47,803 --> 00:34:51,232
When he came back,
he'd be his old self again.

725
00:34:51,313 --> 00:34:54,234
I promise you, Jesse's a good man.

726
00:34:54,234 --> 00:34:56,092
It's his brother that's poison.

727
00:34:56,092 --> 00:34:57,608
I can't say we disagree with you.

728
00:34:57,608 --> 00:35:00,206
The problem is, 
it's not Ray's seminal fluid

729
00:35:00,206 --> 00:35:02,766
we found in Seth's mouth.

730
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:05,644
But it's definitely 
the same bloodline.

731
00:35:05,644 --> 00:35:07,104
You're lying.

732
00:35:07,104 --> 00:35:08,593
Mrs. Hansen...

733
00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:13,597
why do you think Jesse 
won't give us the blood test?

734
00:35:19,619 --> 00:35:22,829
Ray came over at 7:00.

735
00:35:23,586 --> 00:35:26,198
He drank the whole night again.

736
00:35:26,198 --> 00:35:28,784
He went up at 1:00

737
00:35:28,784 --> 00:35:30,421
about the music

738
00:35:30,421 --> 00:35:33,101
and Jesse did come 
right back down, alone.

739
00:35:33,101 --> 00:35:34,397
Then what happened?

740
00:35:34,397 --> 00:35:37,098
Ray came back a few minutes later,

741
00:35:37,203 --> 00:35:40,255
dragged Jesse out with him...

742
00:35:44,272 --> 00:35:47,804
Jesse didn't come home till after 2:00.

743
00:35:53,653 --> 00:35:55,940
It was a joke. / A joke?

744
00:35:56,191 --> 00:35:57,819
We'd see that little fag in the gym...

745
00:35:57,819 --> 00:35:59,141
That was Seth.

746
00:35:59,141 --> 00:36:01,204
Right, Seth.

747
00:36:01,336 --> 00:36:03,800
When we'd see that 
little fag, Seth, in the gym,

748
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,749
I'd rib Jesse that 
it was his girlfriend.

749
00:36:05,749 --> 00:36:08,435
- That's hysterical.  
- Oh, it gets funnier.

750
00:36:08,435 --> 00:36:10,181
I'd catch his eye,

751
00:36:10,181 --> 00:36:11,657
nod over to Jesse,

752
00:36:11,657 --> 00:36:13,478
and wink.

753
00:36:13,478 --> 00:36:16,524
Seth would blush 
like a little schoolgirl.

754
00:36:16,524 --> 00:36:18,829
- I'm still waiting for the punchline.  
- It came that night.

755
00:36:19,073 --> 00:36:23,313
Start with going up to the party
because we have you on tape, with Seth.

756
00:36:23,866 --> 00:36:25,809
When they opened the door,

757
00:36:25,809 --> 00:36:27,998
I see him looking out.

758
00:36:28,204 --> 00:36:29,829
I go right in to the old bit.

759
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:32,055
I nod over to Jesse

760
00:36:32,055 --> 00:36:34,636
and give Seth a big old wink.

761
00:36:36,218 --> 00:36:37,752
When the door closes,

762
00:36:37,752 --> 00:36:40,487
I ask Jesse if he saw his girlfriend.

763
00:36:40,884 --> 00:36:42,641
He throws a punch,

764
00:36:42,641 --> 00:36:44,957
but he's so plastered 
he misses by a mile.

765
00:36:44,957 --> 00:36:46,804
Then he staggers off down the hall.

766
00:36:46,804 --> 00:36:47,957
And you wait?

767
00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:48,815
Yep...

768
00:36:48,815 --> 00:36:51,259
and out prances Seth.

769
00:36:51,259 --> 00:36:53,784
I put my arm around him and say,

770
00:36:53,784 --> 00:36:56,324
"Go up on the roof, 
Jesse'll be right up."

771
00:36:56,324 --> 00:36:58,622
Then you went
and you got Jesse.

772
00:36:58,622 --> 00:37:00,132
Why?

773
00:37:00,379 --> 00:37:02,975
Sibling rivalry.

774
00:37:10,808 --> 00:37:13,711
Our daddy did
everything I said he did.

775
00:37:14,788 --> 00:37:18,084
Jesse should've been a man 
and stood up for me at my trial.

776
00:37:18,084 --> 00:37:19,735
Jesse was 15 when you were tried.

777
00:37:19,735 --> 00:37:22,043
15 is a lot of years.

778
00:37:23,252 --> 00:37:25,131
Someone had 
to serve because of him.

779
00:37:25,131 --> 00:37:26,831
I could've been out in five.

780
00:37:27,216 --> 00:37:29,070
You did 15 because of what you did,

781
00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:30,736
not Jesse.

782
00:37:34,697 --> 00:37:36,449
I think it's horrible

783
00:37:36,449 --> 00:37:38,523
that my baby brother killed a man,

784
00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:39,805
but...

785
00:37:39,805 --> 00:37:41,268
he did.

786
00:37:41,268 --> 00:37:44,835
And as much as you'd like to,

787
00:37:45,116 --> 00:37:46,695
you can't pin it on me.

788
00:37:46,695 --> 00:37:48,878
- I had nothing to do with it.
- You set it up.

789
00:37:50,819 --> 00:37:54,141
I set up a practical joke.

790
00:37:55,748 --> 00:37:58,055
Is there a law against that?

791
00:38:03,228 --> 00:38:05,694
Ray told us everything, Jesse.

792
00:38:07,158 --> 00:38:09,816
Your brother set you up.

793
00:38:09,934 --> 00:38:13,738
I lied at his trial.

794
00:38:13,997 --> 00:38:17,068
Ray was telling the truth.

795
00:38:17,563 --> 00:38:21,462
Our father really 
did do those things.

796
00:38:21,462 --> 00:38:23,140
To both of you?

797
00:38:24,008 --> 00:38:26,245
I tried to forget.

798
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:28,969
Ray wouldn't let me.

799
00:38:30,058 --> 00:38:33,149
Even as kids he would tell me

800
00:38:33,149 --> 00:38:36,030
how awful it was for him, 
but that I liked it.

801
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:37,893
Nobody thinks that, Jesse.

802
00:38:37,893 --> 00:38:40,069
You were only seven years old.

803
00:38:41,326 --> 00:38:45,194
Whenever I'd visit Ray at SingSing,

804
00:38:45,194 --> 00:38:48,514
he'd tell me, "You just wait,

805
00:38:48,514 --> 00:38:51,016
you'll end up here sooner or later.

806
00:38:51,016 --> 00:38:53,804
It's your legacy."

807
00:38:54,939 --> 00:38:58,120
Jesse, tell us
what happened on the roof.

808
00:38:58,509 --> 00:39:00,325
I was wasted.

809
00:39:00,325 --> 00:39:03,091
I don't even remember
how I got there.

810
00:39:03,091 --> 00:39:05,228
All...

811
00:39:05,228 --> 00:39:07,271
all I could hear was

812
00:39:07,271 --> 00:39:11,210
Ray's voice drawing me up there.

813
00:39:11,324 --> 00:39:14,596
It didn't seem real.

814
00:39:15,126 --> 00:39:19,003
Someone was on their knees...

815
00:39:19,613 --> 00:39:21,832
and...

816
00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:27,715
my pants were down...

817
00:39:27,715 --> 00:39:30,334
and...

818
00:39:32,643 --> 00:39:34,988
I don't know.

819
00:39:35,346 --> 00:39:37,908
I killed him.

820
00:39:40,107 --> 00:39:41,893

I killed him.

821
00:39:41,893 --> 00:39:43,913
I'll file charges for Man One.

822
00:39:44,148 --> 00:39:46,078

Jesse, you said that you heard

823
00:39:46,078 --> 00:39:49,051

Ray's voice drawing
you up to the rooftop.

824
00:39:49,051 --> 00:39:50,409
Abby,

825
00:39:50,409 --> 00:39:51,948
hold on.

826
00:39:52,067 --> 00:39:55,278

Could you hear his voice 
once you got up there?

827
00:39:56,611 --> 00:39:59,687

I could hear him 
laughing at me, yeah.

828
00:40:00,569 --> 00:40:02,605
Jesse,

829
00:40:02,605 --> 00:40:05,926
that's because 
he was there, wasn't he?

830
00:40:06,366 --> 00:40:10,155
I just remember 
coming out of a fog,

831
00:40:10,155 --> 00:40:13,360
and then seeing 
Ray standing in the doorway.

832
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,876
He was laughing.

833
00:40:15,876 --> 00:40:18,283
And I looked down,

834
00:40:18,393 --> 00:40:22,385
and I saw what Seth was doing.

835
00:40:22,385 --> 00:40:23,902
And ...

836
00:40:23,902 --> 00:40:27,385
Ray said, "I told you."

837
00:40:27,385 --> 00:40:29,874
I told you what, 
that you were gay?

838
00:40:31,091 --> 00:40:33,997
That I wanted to kill him.

839
00:40:33,997 --> 00:40:35,727
Why?

840
00:40:35,865 --> 00:40:37,827
What did he do to you?

841
00:40:37,827 --> 00:40:40,517
Not Seth, Ray.

842
00:40:40,517 --> 00:40:42,217
I wanted to kill Ray.

843
00:40:42,217 --> 00:40:45,294
I just started lashing out at him

844
00:40:45,294 --> 00:40:46,924
'cause in my mind,

845
00:40:46,924 --> 00:40:48,927
I was hitting Ray.

846
00:40:48,927 --> 00:40:54,298
But he just kept 
laughing and laughing.

847
00:40:59,131 --> 00:41:02,033
I had to shut him up.

848
00:41:04,243 --> 00:41:06,671
I took his head and

849
00:41:06,671 --> 00:41:09,342
I stated bashing

850
00:41:10,043 --> 00:41:15,476
and I just bashed it
and bashed it as hard as I could.

851
00:41:21,945 --> 00:41:26,097
It was finally quiet...

852
00:41:26,097 --> 00:41:29,130
but I looked down 
and it wasn't Ray,

853
00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:31,626
it was Seth.

854
00:41:31,723 --> 00:41:34,357
Where was Ray?

855
00:41:34,512 --> 00:41:36,382
He was...

856
00:41:36,382 --> 00:41:39,793
he was still standing in the doorway.

857
00:41:42,192 --> 00:41:44,133
And he said...

858
00:41:45,099 --> 00:41:48,717
he said, "Welcome to the family."

859
00:41:55,618 --> 00:41:58,468
Tell me we can charge Ray.

860
00:41:59,048 --> 00:42:00,413
Inciting a murder,

861
00:42:00,413 --> 00:42:02,915
depraved indifference, accessory...

862
00:42:02,915 --> 00:42:04,790
That's good for a start.

863
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:07,281
With Ray's priors, he'll end up 
doing more time than Jesse.

864
00:42:07,281 --> 00:42:09,012
Make sure he does, Abby.

865
00:42:12,461 --> 00:42:14,263
You heard him.

866
00:42:14,323 --> 00:42:16,841
Ray was screwing with his 
brother's mind his whole life.

867
00:42:16,841 --> 00:42:18,359
It had nothing to do with blood.

868
00:42:18,359 --> 00:42:22,738
What Jesse did happened 
because Jesse believed it would.

869
00:42:23,283 --> 00:42:25,128
You know that, right?

870
00:42:26,622 --> 00:42:28,864
There's something 
I'm going to need to do.

871
00:42:28,864 --> 00:42:31,646
Olivia, what good is it 
going to do you to know?

872
00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:15,899
He's not my father.

873
00:43:16,012 --> 00:43:18,371
You sure?

874
00:43:20,579 --> 00:43:22,431
Positive.

875
00:43:31,406 --> 00:43:34,445

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