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They had
everything going for them.
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The whole world
was their oyster.
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You send
your kids to college
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and expect them to come back.
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He entered the home
and butchered those students.
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That crime scene,
I can still see it in my head.
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Moscow police department,
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they sat me down and they said,
we have a suspect.
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In the middle of the night.
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They kicked through
the doors of a house,
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and they arrested a man
of 28 years old.
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This could be him.
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He's not someone
like the rest of us.
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Knowing what he had done,
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his face scares you.
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It scared us that there
wasn't much information
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coming from the authorities,
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because it left
just too much room
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for the community and students
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to kind of ruminate
about what could be happening.
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We all felt incredibly
heartbroken and scared,
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and we wanted
to make some sense of
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how something like
this could happen.
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It was inconceivable.
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We were terrified that there
were going to be more.
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That it wasn't going
to stop at the four.
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We were all on edge.
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It's hard,
just as a human being to...
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not have those thoughts of,
we might not find this person,
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we might not be successful.
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It really gets
to a point where
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those of us in the community
start talking and we say,
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we start wondering,
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is this case going to go cold?
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You know, we just haven't heard,
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what if this person
gets away with it?
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It was terrifying.
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But we did our best to,
in those moments
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when I know, me personally,
when I have thoughts like that,
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doubling down on my motivation
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and my drive and my focus
on what I needed to do
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to continue down the path
and get back to the mission.
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On the scene,
we're following the cars,
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we're following some of
the victimology,
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we're following on tips.
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Now we also have the labs
working the DNA.
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There was male DNA found
on the knife sheath
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that was in the bed
with the victims.
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The DNA originally is tested
against the DNA databases,
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and we do not have a match
in the DNA databases.
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There was no match
to that DNA in CODIS,
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which just means that
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the subject has not been tested
before the murders.
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At that point, we decided
to transfer that DNA
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to the investigative
genealogy team.
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The FBI were saying that
there's this thing
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that's been developed now.
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It's called DNA genealogy.
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And there are these databases
all throughout the world
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that you can take
this DNA sample to.
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They'll create what's
called a genome out of it,
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and be able to give you
a profile of who this person is.
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Potentially,
you could go do this,
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and it might help point
you in a direction
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of who this DNA belongs to.
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I was put in charge
of transporting the DNA sample
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that we got off of the sheath
to Houston, Texas,
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to a company called Othram,
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where they were going to submit
it in for DNA genealogy
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to be able to hopefully figure
out who this suspect was.
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But it is a process.
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It does take time for us
to get the answers that we need.
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Also, at the same time,
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we kept investigating
the Hyundai Elantra.
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We knew we were looking for
a newer model Hyundai Elantra,
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White in colour.
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The FBI, they gave us
about a six-year period, though,
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that we could be looking at.
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Anywhere from 2013,
all the way up to like 2018-ish.
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Fairly big span that initially
we were looking at,
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and we started looking
at our databases,
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trying to see
if we could pull any of those
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from those years that he gave us
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for a white Hyundai Elantra
to see if we had any in town.
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So that we could start looking
at the owners of those vehicles
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and trying to see
if we can make connections.
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To try to see if we
can narrow it down,
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we had asked universities
for parking permits.
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We had looked
at registered owners.
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We had anything that popped up
with local registrants,
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we deep dove on them
to find anything and that stuff.
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We were trying
to research all of those.
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Moscow police,
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the Idaho State Police
and the FBI
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all put out calls
for information related to
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white Hyundai Elantra's,
who may have been in North Idaho
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or have some association
with Idahoans,
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or may even be a rental,
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or may, you know,
nobody knows anything.
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All over America,
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people are looking
for white Hyundai Elantra's.
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I'm down here in Boise,
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I'm even like writing
down licence plates
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on white Hyundai Elantras.
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And I'm submitting
information to the FBI
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through some database online
that they, they made accessible.
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I specifically, myself,
saw two Hyundai Elantras
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that seemed, quote, suspicious.
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And I went on to the FBI portal
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and submitted tips with
their licence plate numbers.
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Everybody was doing that.
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Thousands and thousands
of tips they were getting
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about white Hyundai Elantra's
had to be processed somehow.
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So that's more information
being dumped into the FBI
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and just overwhelming
the system.
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Everybody's looking
for this car.
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This car, this car.
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We got 20,000 of them just
in Idaho and eastern Washington.
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And we don't know
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that the killer's from Idaho
or eastern Washington.
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So what happens
if you expand that up?
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Our suspect pool
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is still in the hundreds
of thousands of people.
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As we looked through
all these names,
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not a single person, or was
related to your vehicle type,
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you're just hitting another
dead end at that point
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as we were still waiting for
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the genealogy stuff
to come through.
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But then we got a phone call
from Othram.
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They said that they were able
to get a really good,
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strong genome out of it.
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They put it into the two
databases they had access to,
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and they couldn't come up with
a definitive suspect,
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but they found certain lineage
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that potentially could lead us
to a potential suspect
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if we continued maybe
doing more investigation,
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trying to contact more
people in this line
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to see if they could tell us
who they were related to
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and try and build out
this family, big family tree.
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It was at that time
that the FBI was like,
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well, we have our own
genealogy department
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that has other methods
that they can use.
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And it was made at that point,
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a decision at that point to take
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what Othram had done
and created up to that point,
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take it to the FBI,
get it to them,
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and then they would continue on
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with trying to dig deeper
into the genealogy part of it
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to see if we can't eventually
get back to a suspect.
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So as they start putting
the information in
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and they start building
out a family tree,
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they were able to find
an individual
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who had a familial resemblance.
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So not the suspect,
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but somehow tied
to or related to
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this DNA that we
found on the sheath.
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And then they were able
to build it down from there
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and get closer
and closer and closer
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to somebody who they thought
maybe the suspect could be,
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because they can't 100%
definitively say
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this is the suspect
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or this is the person
who did this crime
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because it's the same DNA.
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So as they build
that family tree,
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they start looking
at different traits.
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They knew, based off of how they
break down these DNA genomes
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and how they build them out,
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that this individual had
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a very high percentage
of Italian heritage in them.
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It was above 80% of
their lineage came from Italy.
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They were like, okay,
we found one individual
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who the mom and the dad,
both we felt,
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had a high enough
Italian heritage
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that most likely their child
would be the actual person
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whose DNA this belongs to.
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And that couple,
they found that husband and wife
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only had one son.
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When it was December 20th,
we were all sitting together
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where we had the meeting with
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what they refer
to as the IG unit in the FBI.
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We were having a call to see
where they were at with it.
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And it was at that point he's
like, so I have a name for you.
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We got the name
of Bryan Kohberger
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as a potential person
of interest.
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We all just, who is that?
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This could be him.
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Now we have a name.
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Now you can start to really
investigate the person.
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This could be him.
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Again, we still couldn't say
for sure if it was,
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but we have a name.
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We have somebody
that we can start looking at.
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Bryan Kohberger.
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He's 28 years old.
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He's from Pennsylvania.
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A Washington State
University graduate student
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studying criminology.
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So he was right
across the state line,
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just seven miles away at WSU.
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As we dug deeper
into his vehicle,
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that individual owned
a white Hyundai Elantra
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within the six-year time
period we were looking for.
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I received a text from Moscow
Police Chief James Fry
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asking me if I could
meet with him
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at the Moscow Police Department.
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At the time,
I just thought I was going to be
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another law
enforcement briefing.
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And so I showed up at Moscow PD
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and we walked into a room
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and it was full of all of
the investigative team.
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I think there were
30 or more people in that room,
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and I was the only other
law enforcement person.
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So it was not just another
law enforcement briefing
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I knew, now there's some kind
of connection to Pullman.
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And they said,
we have a suspect,
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and the suspect
is a graduate student
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at Washington State University
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living in graduate
student housing.
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And his name is Bryan Kohberger.
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And when they told me the name,
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it rang a bell,
but I didn't immediately
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remember why it rang a bell.
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And it took me
about 30s or so,
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and I said, "I've talked
to Bryan Kohberger before."
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I interviewed him for
a research assistant position
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at Pullman Police Department
in April.
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I have his resume.
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I have his cover letter.
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Their ears definitely perked up.
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Prior to being chief of WSU,
he was chief of Pullman PD.
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And he remembered getting
a essay from Bryan Kohberger,
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applying to be an intern
at the police department.
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He vividly remembered the essay
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talking about how small
police departments
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don't have the training,
the skills,
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and that's what Bryan wanted
to bring to the agency.
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When I interviewed
Bryan Kohberger in April,
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he was just an applicant.
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He was kind of an odd guy.
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Not enough really, to be a what
I would call a red flag to say,
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wow, this guy is going to go out
and do something horrible.
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But just that, you know,
this guy is just odd.
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His personality
is a little bit off.
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Probably can't relate well
to people.
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He's a loner.
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He didn't have a lot of friends.
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He didn't have a girlfriend.
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He didn't fit in.
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It was a great decision to
select who I selected
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because she did so good,
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but also not selecting
Bryan Kohberger.
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I knew he'd be a PhD student
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coming to
Washington State University,
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but probably wouldn't have any
interaction with him ever again,
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and it was in the past.
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Now his name comes up again,
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not only comes up again,
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but comes up as
a quadruple homicide suspect.
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And he was in
the criminology program.
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He was studying crime,
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so there's an irony there.
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It was quite a,
quite a moment.
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It was surreal.
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I mean, the hair on the back
of my neck stood up.
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They asked me not
to say a word to anyone,
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and so I didn't.
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They obviously were very
concerned about
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information leaking,
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and not necessarily that it
was going to be intentional,
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but it could be
an inadvertent leak that could
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jeopardise an investigation
of crime of this magnitude.
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They already knew that he lived
at Steptoe Village Apartments
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on campus.
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And then I found out that he
did have a student office
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on campus,
as many PhD students do.
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We found his apartment
over at, at WSU.
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His apartment is raided.
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There's no DNA
from any of the victims.
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The only way
for that to have happened
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is if Kohberger had meticulously
thought out his getaway.
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He wasn't there.
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His vehicle wasn't there,
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so he didn't know where
he was at that point in time.
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We started trying to locate him.
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Where is he at?
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We speak to local police.
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At that point we find out
before the murders,
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a Washington state
officer pulled him over
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on Washington State
University campus
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for pulling into an intersection
on a red light.
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That body cam footage
happens before the murders.
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There was a killer
among us,
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somewhere, killer on the loose.
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It was terrifying.
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We needed to make the arrest
on Bryan Kohberger.
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But the investigative genealogy
is not legally probable cause
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you have to get
a direct DNA match
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to the DNA found
by court accepted processes.
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So we have a name,
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which is, basically
we have to treat as a lead.
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It can't, it can't be used
as evidentiary purposes.
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So we have to get a DNA sample
305
00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,399
to confirm and get
a positive match to the DNA
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on the knife sheath
from that individual.
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And so we had to
locate Bryan Kohberger.
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As we run him
through the databases,
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we see that prior
to us receiving his name,
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within days
that he had travelled back east
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from Washington
State University.
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We were able to learn
that he was stopped
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travelling from
Washington State University
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back to Pennsylvania,
where he lived.
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When Kohberger
decided to drive,
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uh, to drive home
to Pennsylvania for the break,
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his father flew out
from Pennsylvania and,
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00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,399
uh, met him out here
and drove back with him.
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While driving through Indiana,
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he was pulled over
for following too close
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to the vehicle in front of him.
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Brian looked
pretty suspicious
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during those police stops.
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His eyes were really wide
325
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and he was trying
not to make eye contact.
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It kind of seemed
like he was trying
327
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to hide his face a little bit.
328
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,239
Is there a parent out there
who could ever believe
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that their child
could do something like this?
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The nice part about
working with
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the Federal Bureau
of Investigation is
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they have agents all over
the United States.
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So we were able to use them
334
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,799
and the local
Pennsylvania State Police
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to be able to go
to his parent's house,
336
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where we were able to then
positively put his vehicle at
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00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,520
and show that he was
now at home.
338
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,719
When they got his car
from Pennsylvania.
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It had been completely,
meticulously detailed,
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to the point where
they describe it as
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00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,720
having almost
been taken apart inside.
342
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,999
Very clearly scrubbed hard
343
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to get rid of DNA.
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00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,039
The next steps after that
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00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,079
was trying to see
if we can get a DNA sample
346
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,040
from somebody in that residence.
347
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,080
That would either be a positive
match or a really close match
348
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,200
to the DNA off
of the sheath again.
349
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,279
The agents and state
police were able to pull
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what's called a trash pull.
351
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,639
When you take your garbage
and you put it on your kerb,
352
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you are now abandoning
that property.
353
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,479
So it becomes a point
where we as law enforcement
354
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can actually go
grab your garbage.
355
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,560
We don't need
a search warrant for it.
356
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We can go get your garbage
and go take it and process it.
357
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,759
So that's what we did.
358
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We did a trash pull.
359
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,599
We went and grabbed
the garbage off of
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00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,960
in front of their house,
361
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,839
took it back to
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00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,479
one of the police departments
there in Pennsylvania
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where they went through it.
364
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,559
We had our investigators
on the phone
365
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,239
FaceTiming with
these investigators over there,
366
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,559
looking at the evidence to try
and pick out
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00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,759
what is it that we
want to try and test
368
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,719
that we feel will have
the best opportunity
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00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,080
to provide us with a DNA sample.
370
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,600
So they went and picked a bunch
of different items.
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00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,440
Those items were brought
to us back here in Idaho
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and handed them off
to the Idaho State Lab.
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One of those items was a Q-Tip
that had wax on.
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00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,599
It provided us
with a male DNA sample
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00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,640
that 100% had to be the father
of our suspect.
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00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,199
And we knew at
that point in time that
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00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,000
Brian was at the house.
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00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,920
It was his dad's house.
379
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,119
So we knew that Brian
was the individual
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00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,599
who killed these four students.
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00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,879
In the
middle of the night,
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00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,079
they kicked through the doors
of a house in Pennsylvania
383
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,440
all the way across the country,
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almost 3000 miles away
from Moscow,
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00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,240
and they arrested
Bryan Kohberger.
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00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,239
It's December 30th,
eight in the morning,
387
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,439
phone goes off, miss a call.
388
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,319
It's my supervisor, oh,
call her back.
389
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,359
Going off, going off,
going off, I answer.
390
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:12,759
"They're having
a press conference.
391
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,039
What do you think it means?"
392
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,319
They have someone.
393
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,479
I get to City Hall, I walk in,
the police officers are there,
394
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,759
they're all dressed
to the nines.
395
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,600
They're beaming, smiling.
396
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,159
Never seen them happier.
397
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,360
I'm like,
this is really something.
398
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,760
And they announce
we have arrested Bryan Kohberger
399
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,479
It was just this
complete rush of relief
400
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,959
and excitement of,
401
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,439
okay, we have him in custody.
402
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,840
We have our suspect.
403
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,519
This is a huge sigh of relief
for the community
404
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,720
because even though this person
isn't convicted yet,
405
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,679
this is progress
after a time in silence,
406
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,839
after such a long time in fear.
407
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,119
That night, I'm in town,
408
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,439
I stay in town.
409
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,199
I'm like, maybe I should just
go out to the bar,
410
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,279
see how people are feeling.
411
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,799
I walk into the Corner Club.
412
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,120
It may as well have already
been New Year's Eve.
413
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,159
Everybody in Moscow
is connected to this.
414
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,599
They know someone who knows
someone who knows someone.
415
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,160
You want to have someone
who can answer for it,
416
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,679
but then you're also,
417
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,399
It's shocking to,
to have that name
418
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,359
to know, wow,
this real person who lived,
419
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,040
you know,
only a couple miles away
420
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,920
did this violent,
just horrible murder.
421
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,800
After knowing
what he had done,
422
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,120
his face scares you.
423
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,239
His eyes really freaked me out.
424
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,839
They're very wide.
425
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,760
Every image and video that I've
seen of him, he's just stoned.
426
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,679
He is going to be extradited
back to Idaho
427
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240
and face charges
for these crimes.
428
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,239
And I mean,
they put a helmet on his ass.
429
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,839
When they got him
out of that plane,
430
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,359
they put a helmet on him
431
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:21,959
because they knew that there's
plenty of good old boys here
432
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,319
that were ready
to take care of that.
433
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,400
I mean, you're landing in Idaho.
434
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,480
Big trouble.
435
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,720
They're bringing them to us
so we can interview him.
436
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,040
That...
437
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,679
wave of relief
just washed over me.
438
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,199
It's like we have him.
439
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,240
He could no longer hurt anyone.
440
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,040
The excitement was just
overwhelming for me.
441
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,359
They initially started to just
have a conversation,
442
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,119
as we typically do with
potential suspects,
443
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,079
to, to kind of get a baseline
444
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,720
as to the way that they speak,
and some of their mannerisms.
445
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119
And initially,
446
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:08,119
the suspect was more or less
willing to talk about things
447
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:09,359
like his schooling
448
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,519
and how he had ended up back
in Pennsylvania
449
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,999
and how he was a WSU student,
things like that.
450
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,600
Kohberger asked our
investigators multiple times,
451
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,159
what is this all about?
452
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,839
Why are we here?
What are we talking about?
453
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,199
And when our investigators
more or less said,
454
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,559
we're here to talk
to you about an incident
455
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,119
that occurred in Moscow.
456
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,919
That was the point at which
he invoked his right to counsel
457
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,040
and refused to speak any further
with the investigators.
458
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,919
He didn't want to cooperate
in our investigation.
459
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240
He never provided us
with any answers.
460
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,439
We couldn't get
a confession from him
461
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,920
that he committed
this crime outright.
462
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,199
So just that reassurance,
more reassurance to us
463
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600
that we do have
the right person.
464
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,759
After that is when
we really try to understand
465
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,119
everything we could about him,
466
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,400
who he was,
what his history was.
467
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,679
Part of that is trying
to figure out why
468
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,160
anyone would want to do this.
469
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,000
We learned that he was known
to be a bit socially awkward.
470
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,479
He seemed to put
pressure on people
471
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,959
by staring at them.
472
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,839
He invaded their space.
473
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,399
He cut off rooms so
that you couldn't exit.
474
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,119
If he wanted to know
something from you,
475
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,680
he would approach
and sort of hover.
476
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,559
He was not very good
477
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,119
in talking with members
of the opposite sex.
478
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,079
His program allowed him
to be a teaching assistant,
479
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,199
which essentially
in PhD programs
480
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,599
means you are a teacher.
481
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,439
He was teaching coursework
482
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,359
in criminology
and criminal justice,
483
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,359
and his students
were often creeped out by him,
484
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:49,800
especially the women.
485
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,119
He wasn't
very successful
486
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,240
in establishing relationships.
487
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,519
There were many people that came
forward to say that he was
488
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,279
just a strange individual,
very off-putting,
489
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,199
who thought very,
very highly of themselves,
490
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,800
more or less narcissistic
491
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,599
and would be very
demeaning to others
492
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,920
based off of his level
of education versus theirs.
493
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,399
He had a lot of interest in
494
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,719
people who had committed
heinous crimes,
495
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,320
serial killers and the like.
496
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,639
He wrote a paper on behaviours
497
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,239
after sending surveys out
to a bunch of people who had,
498
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,119
who had killed people
and asking them questions.
499
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,039
Is there something
you would have done different?
500
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,199
How did you feel at the moment
you killed this person?
501
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,359
Questions like that.
502
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,639
I get your studying
these individuals
503
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,359
and you're trying
to research them,
504
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,919
whether as a psychologist
or criminologist,
505
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,039
or you're trying to figure out
506
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,800
why would somebody
commit these crimes.
507
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,959
But it's just odd,
508
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,999
at least to me It was odd of
509
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,999
some of his questionings of
the way he was going about it.
510
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,999
His master's degree
in Pennsylvania
511
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800
was under the tutelage
of an expert in serial killers.
512
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,679
He travels all the way to
Washington State to get his PhD
513
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,119
in criminology
and criminal justice,
514
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,920
and he's studying
serial killers,
515
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,720
and the murders happen
in Moscow.
516
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,239
We also were able to learn
517
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,639
that he had bought
the same Ka-bar knife,
518
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,000
and knife sheath off Amazon,
519
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,879
just a couple of months
before he moved
520
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240
out here to Pullman, Washington.
521
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,959
According to co-workers,
digital footprints
522
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,999
and his cell phone pings,
523
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,559
he had been in or around
the area of the King Road house
524
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,999
23 times before the killings
on King Road.
525
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,719
All of those times
that he visited
526
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,199
were very late in the evening
527
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,560
or early morning, sometime
between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m...
528
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,279
At the time of the murders,
his phone had been turned off.
529
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,280
Never had been in the area
that night.
530
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,319
That thwarts us.
531
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,839
We now know, based primarily
on digital forensics.
532
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,999
that Bryan Kohberger left his
apartment shortly after 2:30 AM
533
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,879
and he drove from Pullman,
Washington to Moscow,
534
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,480
and security cameras track that.
535
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,560
His cell phone data
tracks with that.
536
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,920
He turns off his phone
shortly before 3 a.m.,
537
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,400
and he starts to prowl the area
around 1122 King Road.
538
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,119
We know,
539
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,559
because we can follow that all
the way from security cameras.
540
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,319
People complain
about a surveillance state
541
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,359
that we're living in in America
and overseas.
542
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,399
People complain all the time
about surveillance states.
543
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,959
In this instance, thank God
for the surveillance state,
544
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,119
because surveillance
state issues
545
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,679
are what caught Bryan Kohberger, essentially.
546
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,159
They can track all that data.
547
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,519
He took off from his apartment.
548
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,639
He came to Moscow,
549
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880
he circled the house
multiple times.
550
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,440
And after 4 a.m.,
he parked that car
551
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,879
somewhere in the vicinity
of that house.
552
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,839
It's off camera,
that's where he parked,
553
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,839
and entered that house
through the second floor,
554
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,439
sliding glass door
555
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,399
Dressed all in black
556
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,279
with a balaclava pulled down.
557
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,080
He went upstairs to Kaylee
and Maddie's room
558
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,080
and butchered those girls.
559
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,319
We don't know how long
that took.
560
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,800
But in short order,
he came downstairs,
561
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,640
encountered Xana Kernodle,
562
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960
had a struggle with her
in which she was also butchered,
563
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,600
and after which
564
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,559
he went into the room
and murdered a sleeping Ethan.
565
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,519
He then exited
past Dylan Mortensen
566
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,880
on his way out.
567
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,360
According to Dylan,
made eye contact, saw her,
568
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,399
but did nothing about that.
569
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,720
We don't know why.
570
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,039
But he exited
through the sliding glass door
571
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,959
he had come in.
572
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Went back to his vehicle and
we see the vehicle speeding off
573
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,240
around 4:20.
574
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,199
Seen leaving
the King Road house
575
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,439
at such a high rate of speed,
576
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,360
he almost loses control
of the vehicle.
577
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,479
He took a circular route back
to Pullman,
578
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,039
avoiding town and cameras.
579
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,959
He went through the sort
of desolate countryside
580
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,480
south and then up
back to Pullman.
581
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,239
His phone is then back on.
582
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,919
We know he's back
at the apartment
583
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680
based on cell phone pinging.
584
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,239
And shortly after returning,
5 or 6 a.m.,
585
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,480
he takes a selfie.
586
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,119
Police find that selfie
on his phone
587
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,640
and he's giving a thumbs up
to the camera.
588
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,559
He's standing in his bathroom
in front of the shower,
589
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,039
and he looks freshly scrubbed.
590
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,519
His skin is pink.
591
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,159
Most of us only understand
the behaviours of serial killers
592
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,559
or mass killers,
593
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,119
or would be serial killers
594
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000
based on what we see
on television.
595
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,159
But what we see on television
596
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,839
is usually written
by experts on serial killers
597
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,880
and what we see
in Bryan Kohberger
598
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,399
very eerily matches that.
599
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,119
his skin in that selfie
is very clearly scrubbed hard,
600
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,639
to get rid of DNA
or other kinds of evidence.
601
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,839
And he's looking at the camera
and he's giving a thumbs up
602
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,599
in what is possibly one of
the creepiest things you'll see
603
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,199
in retrospect,
604
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,040
knowing now
what he had just committed.
605
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,039
We found the person
who did this,
606
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,960
and we have him in custody.
607
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,999
Our job is, I wouldn't say over,
608
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,039
but it's more towards the end
of the culmination
609
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,279
of our portion of it.
610
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,759
So when it transitions
into the trial,
611
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,639
that is us just working
as best we can
612
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,399
with the prosecuting office
613
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,839
to prepare
for their portion of the trial
614
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,520
and the case
to take it before a jury.
615
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,759
They worked absolutely
tirelessly and were very, very
616
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680
well prepared and ready
to take this case to trial.
617
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,079
They charged him with four
counts of first degree murder
618
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,679
and one felony burglary charge
for breaking into the house
619
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,319
In Idaho
we have the death penalty.
620
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,199
Idaho is so serious
about the death penalty
621
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,039
then, rather than these
intravenous drugs
622
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,839
that are very difficult
to come by,
623
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Idaho recently decided
to go back to firing squad.
624
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,800
Very easy to find a gun
in Idaho, so...
625
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,800
Kohberger was facing
the death penalty.
626
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,200
I worked on this case from
April through August of '25.
627
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,639
Bill Thompson,
628
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,959
the elected prosecutor
prosecuting this case,
629
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,839
gave me a call and asked
if I would join him
630
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,200
in prosecuting the case.
631
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,599
Kohberger maintained
his innocence,
632
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,199
was in jail awaiting trial.
633
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,679
We have trial set for August.
634
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,599
Lots of pre-trial motions
and arguments
635
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,079
and evidentiary issues
to work through still.
636
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,319
Um, what I did is
I went to Moscow
637
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,839
and just sat
in a conference room
638
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,319
and digested the case materials
as best I could,
639
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,759
which was hard to do,
given what that evidence is
640
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040
in terms of what I had to see.
641
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,559
But of course,
that's what I signed up for
642
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,039
and I was motivated more
and more every hour of every day
643
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,640
to get this case tried
and get the right result.
644
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,919
So we have all this evidence,
we have the CCTV footage,
645
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,960
we have forensic DNA
that places him at the scene.
646
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,680
All this evidence starts
adding up to trial.
647
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,999
His defence team is delay,
delay, delay.
648
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,160
They tried to delay the court
case as long as they could.
649
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,279
Bryan Kohberger and his lawyer
650
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,559
were submitting appeals
to the court
651
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,560
and trying to prevent
this case from going to trial.
652
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,519
He was this criminology student
trying to play the system.
653
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,399
He kind of thought he was like
a Ted Bundy of sorts,
654
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,639
who, you know, he had
the knowledge or thought he did,
655
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600
and he thought that he would
get away with this.
656
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,080
He was appealing
to have his case dismissed.
657
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,840
He thought he could
get away with it.
658
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,119
They also tried
to move it from Moscow.
659
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,279
They said, we have to move
it somewhere else.
660
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,839
Everybody
in town knows everybody.
661
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,039
We're not going
to get a fair trial here.
662
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:48,999
So they do.
663
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,279
They move it all the way
to Boise.
664
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,359
Kohberger maintains
his innocence.
665
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,880
I'm innocent. I didn't do it.
666
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,359
He was facing a very
real possibility
667
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,399
that if he was found guilty
that he was going to be killed.
668
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,400
Then it leaks that Kohberger
is taking a plea deal.
669
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,279
The defence approached us
at the beginning of July
670
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,959
and asked if there was any way
for the case to be resolved,
671
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,079
short of the death penalty.
672
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,879
The only outcome is Kohberger
pleading guilty to
673
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,439
all four first degree murders,
674
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,799
as well as the burglary,
675
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,359
and agreeing to waive
his appeal rights
676
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,040
so that the case would
essentially end at sentencing.
677
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,520
That was the only potential
option that was ever considered.
678
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,720
Ultimately,
it was offered and accepted.
679
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,039
What's best about it is that
680
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,999
he's not dragging
anyone into court.
681
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,760
He's not claiming innocence.
682
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,239
He's not doing anything
to disparage the victim's memory
683
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,559
or retraumatize these families.
684
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,960
His role is over.
685
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759
I was in the courtroom
at that time.
686
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,280
The emotion that I could feel
in the room was very strong.
687
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,159
You could feel the tension
that was there waiting for him
688
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,079
to finally say, yes, I did it.
689
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,919
I did take the life of Ethan
690
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,440
and Xana and Kaylee and Maddie.
691
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,959
To be in there and see
the families weeping.
692
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,679
Being in the same room
as the person
693
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,040
admitting
to killing their children.
694
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,880
Horrific.
695
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,960
It was a bit surreal
to see this...
696
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,720
I guess, human being that really
didn't have any human qualities
697
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,479
that took away the lives
of four innocent people.
698
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,359
I don't consider him to
be a human like the rest of us.
699
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,960
He said he did it.
700
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,800
And that's all any of us know.
701
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,479
We don't know where
the murder weapon is.
702
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,119
We don't know why he did it.
703
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960
We don't know
if he even knew these people.
704
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,719
We know nothing
about his motivation.
705
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,519
We know nothing,
and we never will.
706
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,639
Having dealt with these
types of individuals,
707
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,079
they get this urge,
708
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:58,359
they find a target or something
that triggers something,
709
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,160
and they feel that build up
until they act on it.
710
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,999
It could have been as simple as
711
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,639
he passed one of them
on the street,
712
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,999
and that triggered
something in him,
713
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,880
and he followed them home.
714
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,839
Through cell analysis, we've
shown that he was in the area
715
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,999
of that house numerous times,
716
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,160
starting as early
as July of '22.
717
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,839
Did he set his schooling
and his life and everything up
718
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,359
criminology to fill this need
to learn the best how to do it?
719
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,959
Or the opposite side did
his schooling and all this stuff
720
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,440
lead him to a curiosity
of doing it?
721
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,719
He changes his plea
to guilty.
722
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,040
Then two weeks later,
he's actually sentenced.
723
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,959
He's actually sentenced to
four consecutive life sentences
724
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,480
without the possibility
of parole.
725
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,959
In time you will be
forgotten to the wind.
726
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,479
No visitors,
727
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,320
nothing more than initials
on an unmarked tombstone.
728
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,600
I'll leave in closing
one last thing.
729
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,520
You picked the wrong family.
730
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,400
were not yours to take.
731
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,440
They were not yours to study,
to stop or to silence.
732
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,480
I will call you what you are.
733
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,679
Sociopath.
734
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,279
Psychopath.
735
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Murderer.
736
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,120
Or are you exactly
what you always feared?
737
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,800
Nothing.
738
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,039
He's now in Idaho Maximum
Security Institution.
739
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,479
We call it MSI.
740
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,239
But he's in a supermax prison,
tiny little cell,
741
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,959
and he's barely more
than 30 years old.
742
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,279
He's gonna spend how long
in there?
743
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,080
60 years in a box thinking
about what he's done.
744
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Who cares?
745
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,840
Bryan Kohberger is nothing
but a heartless killer.
746
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,039
And I wish he could have gotten
the death sentence.
747
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,039
Um, this is the next best thing,
748
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,360
is having him in prison
for the rest of his life.
749
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,199
This is the best way
that we can help
750
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,119
is to make sure that
people get held accountable
751
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,199
for their actions.
752
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,319
I know that doesn't,
doesn't fix it.
753
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,560
It doesn't heal the wounds.
754
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:17,680
It never will.
755
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,039
It's the best we can do.
756
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,359
One of the
biggest things about
757
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,479
both Kaylee and Madison
758
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,120
is that they were like sisters.
759
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,399
And I mean, you see
these pictures of them
760
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,999
when they were so young
761
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,519
together and just
always together
762
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,239
throughout every stage of life.
763
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,360
Xana and Ethan had found
the perfect match in each other,
764
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,159
the perfect couple.
765
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,760
And they were so in love.
766
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,720
It's just unbelievable to think
that this had happened.
767
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,039
The last post Kaylee had made
before the murders
768
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,080
was a photo of all of them
that became super famous.
769
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,439
How lucky she was to be living
with those, those people,
770
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,719
that group of people.
771
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,879
I only do that when I'm talking
about my family,
772
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,519
when I say how lucky
I am to have a family.
773
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,919
But to them,
posting those things,
774
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,599
it was about their friend group
775
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,399
that, that tight-knit knot
that was in that house at 1122.
776
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,479
They've demolished
the King Road house.
777
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,799
The owner of the house
gave it to the university.
778
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,679
The university decided,
we are tearing it down.
779
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,599
We're just going to demolish it.
780
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,919
We're going to get rid of it.
781
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,200
It really helped
with the closure of this case.
782
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:50,240
Moscow will always be changed
because of this.
783
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,239
I think ultimately,
784
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,719
the spirit of the university
785
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,999
and the fact
that it is a college town,
786
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,480
it will bounce back.
787
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,440
But I think there will always
be kind of a heaviness
788
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,600
surrounding the place, unfortunately.
789
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,919
We've really
tried to heal
790
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,559
and move on the best we can,
791
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,959
while trying to honour
and respect
792
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,640
the memory of these victims.
793
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,799
It's important to remember
the victims for who they were
794
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,720
and their dreams,
not just the way they died.
795
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,559
We're never going
to forget those four students.