1 00:00:00,410 --> 00:00:01,410 Thank you. 2 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:41,500 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 3 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,580 The regularly scheduled program will not be seen tonight. 4 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:53,520 Instead, we bring you this special presentation, Inquest on a Murder and 5 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Ourselves. 6 00:00:55,780 --> 00:01:00,940 Most of us here in the city saw this picture in our morning newspaper four 7 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:01,940 ago. 8 00:01:02,190 --> 00:01:06,490 We learned that a young woman had been heard talking, arguing for about a half 9 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:11,830 an hour the previous night between 11 and 11 .30 p .m., arguing with some man 10 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:14,370 Sutter Park and then crying out for help. 11 00:01:14,850 --> 00:01:18,710 Now, dozens of people in the apartment buildings surrounding the park, 12 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:24,690 northeast, southwest, heard her call out, but nobody went to help her. 13 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:28,170 When finally someone did, the police were notified. 14 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:30,390 They came and... 15 00:01:31,180 --> 00:01:34,800 She was shockingly, shamefully dead. 16 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:42,180 Murdered. A murder that didn't have to happen. A murder that is still unsolved 17 00:01:42,180 --> 00:01:43,180 tonight. 18 00:01:43,460 --> 00:01:47,700 And there are many questions still unanswered. One, what was the victim 19 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:49,000 the park that hour of the night? 20 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,840 And who was the man she was arguing with? 21 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:58,720 And most of all, why didn't somebody, one of us, go to help when they heard 22 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,720 young woman cry out? 23 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,100 Okay, Fred, on two, ready to pen the guess. Okay, two. Nice and easy. Dead 24 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,460 but the character of our city and its people, we have some distinguished 25 00:02:10,460 --> 00:02:16,180 with us this evening. And take two. Dr. Albert Bartheim, one of the nation's 26 00:02:16,180 --> 00:02:20,120 foremost psychiatrists, author of a number of important books on criminals 27 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,120 their motivations. 28 00:02:21,620 --> 00:02:27,300 The Honorable James Lowry, United States Congressman from this very district 29 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:28,440 where the murder took place. 30 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:35,350 And on my left, Mrs. Millicent Pyle, widow of the much -worn theologian and 31 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:40,710 social thinker Dr. Grayson Pyle herself, both an urbanologist and religious 32 00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:41,710 activist. 33 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:47,310 And finally, the man in personal charge of this investigation, Chief Robert 34 00:02:47,310 --> 00:02:48,310 Ironside. 35 00:02:50,050 --> 00:02:54,350 I'll be talking with all of our guests as the hour develops. 36 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:58,670 And also, since our program is not only a discussion of the meaning, 37 00:02:59,630 --> 00:03:03,570 and the morality behind this crime, but part of a continuing police 38 00:03:03,570 --> 00:03:09,290 investigation, I've asked Chief Ironside to feel free to interrupt at any time, 39 00:03:09,370 --> 00:03:12,510 use the program in any way which it may help. 40 00:03:12,730 --> 00:03:13,730 Do you answer? 41 00:03:14,530 --> 00:03:15,530 Thank you. 42 00:03:17,350 --> 00:03:23,110 Ladies and gentlemen, from this moment on, for the next hour and as many hours 43 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:27,810 after that as necessary, your police are manning special telephones. 44 00:03:29,070 --> 00:03:30,690 This number is for you. 45 00:03:32,310 --> 00:03:36,550 333 -0024. 46 00:03:38,530 --> 00:03:40,130 This number is for you. 47 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:45,050 For any of you who might know something big or small about this murder. 48 00:03:45,490 --> 00:03:50,670 Some scrap of memory brought to the surface by something that may be said 49 00:03:50,670 --> 00:03:52,210 during this next hour. 50 00:03:52,430 --> 00:03:55,530 Or even a second thought about something you've always known. 51 00:03:56,250 --> 00:03:58,570 but were too uncertain about to say earlier. 52 00:03:59,490 --> 00:04:05,330 The point is, a killer is at large, but he hasn't gotten away. 53 00:04:07,170 --> 00:04:12,810 Now, this murder was clearly a crime of passion committed by an amateur, and 54 00:04:12,810 --> 00:04:14,470 amateurs make mistakes. 55 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:17,170 I'm sure this man did. 56 00:04:18,230 --> 00:04:25,050 I'm also sure that all of us, together, know enough to isolate him and to run 57 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:26,050 him down. 58 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:27,880 That's why I'm here tonight. 59 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,600 To me, this is not a television program, not a circus. 60 00:04:35,020 --> 00:04:36,740 It is part of a manhunt. 61 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,980 We each know something. 62 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:44,200 Together, we can know all. 63 00:04:45,780 --> 00:04:48,300 Together, we can find the killer. 64 00:04:50,580 --> 00:04:51,880 Thank you, Chief Ironside. 65 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,120 Ladies and gentlemen, we will begin this. 66 00:04:55,820 --> 00:05:00,540 public inquest into the murder in Sutter Park in exactly one minute. 67 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:08,300 I wonder what she's thinking now If 68 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:13,180 I had a simple answer 69 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:19,440 And if I had just one more chance To 70 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,580 relive my life with her again 71 00:05:25,390 --> 00:05:28,130 Goodbye, my love. 72 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:33,890 Please don't cry, my love. 73 00:05:35,070 --> 00:05:40,830 It'll only be a while before I start to smile 74 00:05:40,830 --> 00:05:47,230 at the memories that you left me. 75 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,380 Ladies and gentlemen, we resume our special presentation, Inquest on a 76 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:03,000 and Ourselves. 77 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,360 Mary Belmont. 78 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:07,660 This is how she looked alive. 79 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:13,660 25 years old, part -time art student, part -time waitress at Creighton State 80 00:06:13,660 --> 00:06:15,860 College, about 75 miles from here. 81 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:21,360 Among the things we do know about her is that she took the bus to San Francisco 82 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,620 once a week, always returning home late the same night. 83 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:27,920 But on this particular night, she met a man. 84 00:06:28,780 --> 00:06:29,780 This man. 85 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,400 Who is he? 86 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:37,260 This is all the police department artist has had to go on so far. 87 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,380 A few details remembered after the fact by some of the people in the apartment 88 00:06:41,380 --> 00:06:43,340 buildings around the murder park. 89 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:47,180 No particular feature yet to distinguish the killer. 90 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:49,240 Well, this much we do have. 91 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:52,160 One person recalls that the... 92 00:06:52,510 --> 00:06:56,730 Man seems to have been about, oh, seven or eight inches taller than the girl. 93 00:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,550 Ready to roll, Phil? Ready to roll. The people in that building, they saw 94 00:07:00,550 --> 00:07:01,730 little, but they heard a lot. 95 00:07:02,530 --> 00:07:07,330 Why then was there a 25 -minute lag before the police were caught? 96 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:12,930 And several more minutes before the first and only person actually ran in to 97 00:07:12,930 --> 00:07:14,090 and help that girl? 98 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:20,030 We've tried to find answers to those questions from some of the people who 99 00:07:20,030 --> 00:07:21,130 to talk to us. 100 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,900 One, Mrs. Bertha Merz, who lives in apartment 3B, front. 101 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Hey, where's he going? 102 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,560 Who knows? 103 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,840 We've got one show going. He's got another. I was just coming back from 104 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,840 my dog. 105 00:07:34,980 --> 00:07:37,340 I couldn't see them. They were on the other side of the wall. 106 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,700 Now he's just standing there watching the TV set. 107 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Intimate. 108 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:45,960 I suppose I should have paid more attention. Keep the line open. 109 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,620 Yeah. Gotcha. 110 00:07:49,099 --> 00:07:51,840 They're watching the shows, and matter of fact, you turned the set on. 111 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:53,100 That's a good start. 112 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,060 You're staking an awful lot on this, Chief. 113 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,220 But if I'm right, he won't be able to take the pressure. And if you're not? 114 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,500 Young lady, I didn't want this television show. 115 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,380 We could have moved a lot quicker and cleaner without it, but since it's going 116 00:08:05,380 --> 00:08:09,940 on, I intend to use the time. He is an amateur, he is sweating, and he can be 117 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:11,080 broken, and now. 118 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,020 Try and help, but... Well, you saw the papers last week, didn't you? 119 00:08:16,380 --> 00:08:17,380 Nice fellow. 120 00:08:17,690 --> 00:08:18,690 What'd he have? 121 00:08:18,750 --> 00:08:21,050 Three, maybe four kids. 122 00:08:21,590 --> 00:08:22,770 You know the guy, I mean. 123 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:25,590 A good Samaritan, like the papers always say. 124 00:08:26,250 --> 00:08:28,710 Somebody was being mugged. He tried to help. 125 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:31,150 What was it they stuck him with? 126 00:08:31,690 --> 00:08:32,809 Nice pick, no less. 127 00:08:33,530 --> 00:08:37,929 Well, I half started to go out, but... If you had another chance, would you go 128 00:08:37,929 --> 00:08:43,210 out? Young lady standing here with you nice people, your cameras and your 129 00:08:43,210 --> 00:08:45,030 and all. I say I would, but... 130 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,600 Our cities are becoming jungles. 131 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,960 I know that somebody's got to turn things around. 132 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,920 Somebody's got to be first. Well, by me. 133 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,880 Three other tenants in that building wouldn't talk to our reporters. 134 00:08:57,540 --> 00:09:02,180 However, in an apartment building on the west side of the park, Mrs. Martin 135 00:09:02,180 --> 00:09:04,660 Lucas in 2B did open her door. 136 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:06,840 I didn't know what was going on at first. 137 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,380 I don't like to pry into the personal affairs of others. 138 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,400 I'm a very private person myself. 139 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,840 Well, according to the police records, you were the first person who actually 140 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,860 did call the police and said there was a girl in trouble. 141 00:09:20,180 --> 00:09:21,180 Yes, I did. 142 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,400 But too late. 143 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,840 Were you alone at the time? 144 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Yes. No, my husband was home. Yeah, I'll hold. 145 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:32,700 Photography darkroom. 146 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,440 It seems so ironic now. 147 00:09:38,820 --> 00:09:41,280 I was trying to decide whether or not to... 148 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,760 Open the darkroom door and perhaps ruin one of his pictures. 149 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,320 And then there was that last scream, and I reacted instinctively. I guess I 150 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,320 called the police. 151 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:02,620 I really don't feel comfortable saying anything else. 152 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,060 Regret is an easy, often cheap emotion. 153 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Too late, too late, too late. That seems to be the theme running through these 154 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,360 interviews. 155 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,960 Even among those people who did try to do something one way or another, like 156 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Mrs. Lucas. 157 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:49,580 It's also there, among other regrets, in the story of the one person who seems 158 00:10:49,580 --> 00:10:50,820 to have tried the most. 159 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:56,500 This young man... He just turned and stared at him. That part was finished. 160 00:10:57,100 --> 00:10:58,740 He went over and poured himself another drink. 161 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,380 Now he's just standing there watching the TV set. 162 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,540 Keep the line open. Right. 163 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:10,500 Also, more importantly, because Chief Ironside specifically wanted the young 164 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:11,500 here. 165 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:16,760 This is Jimmy Sanders, young track and football star whose picture you also saw 166 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,500 in the morning papers after the murder. 167 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,560 He's the young man who did rush out into that park to answer Mary Belmont's 168 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:24,560 final scream. 169 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:31,570 Jimmy... I must say that by making a human response, you became the closest 170 00:11:31,570 --> 00:11:36,470 thing we have to a hero in this tragic story. One. I don't feel like one. 171 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:41,270 I heard that creep in the bushes. I thought I heard him in the bushes, and I 172 00:11:41,270 --> 00:11:42,270 went after him. 173 00:11:42,370 --> 00:11:44,910 But I tripped. When I got up, he was gone. 174 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:46,590 And there she was. 175 00:11:47,630 --> 00:11:49,650 Yes, yes, but you tried, Jimmy. 176 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:54,470 That's part of the reason for this program, to search into... 177 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:01,860 Why most people didn't try soon enough. Why the one person who did, you, was the 178 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:02,860 youngest. 179 00:12:03,580 --> 00:12:08,960 Dr. Bartheim, is the age factor significant here? 180 00:12:09,220 --> 00:12:13,940 Are our young people perhaps less embittered and interdirected by the 181 00:12:13,940 --> 00:12:14,940 of these times? 182 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,280 Well, I wouldn't want to prove anything by a statistic of one. 183 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:21,660 There's no doubt that young people are less. 184 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:27,620 cautious. Still, cynicism with which this situation is rampant is also a 185 00:12:27,620 --> 00:12:28,620 of the young, unfortunately. 186 00:12:29,620 --> 00:12:33,020 Jimmy, you've been encountered by some of these among your peers, I imagine. 187 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,080 You mean by that they think I didn't catch up with a guy on purpose because I 188 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,080 was afraid or something? 189 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,380 Some guys think I'm chicken. 190 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:44,280 I mean, I can run the 109 .6 for crying out loud. 191 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,620 But I have to ask myself, I mean, I was afraid. 192 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:49,980 It bugs me. I guess it always will. 193 00:12:51,340 --> 00:12:52,340 Hope not, Jimmy. 194 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,220 That's one of the reasons I wanted you here tonight. 195 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,960 Now, you listen carefully to me. 196 00:12:57,260 --> 00:12:59,340 Being chicken had nothing to do with it. 197 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,500 You couldn't help that man getting away. 198 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:04,780 Temporarily getting away, that is. 199 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,480 I doubt if it'll give Mary Belmont's killer much comfort. 200 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,040 And you deserve it to be said publicly. 201 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,920 We are convinced you couldn't have caught up with that man. 202 00:13:17,780 --> 00:13:20,000 It's our working theory. 203 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:23,950 But he eluded you because he knew the area intimately. 204 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:29,270 He was able to lose himself in the dark and slip into one of the apartment 205 00:13:29,270 --> 00:13:30,270 buildings. 206 00:13:30,950 --> 00:13:33,370 One of the apartment buildings surrounding the park. 207 00:13:33,610 --> 00:13:35,610 A few hundred feet in any direction. 208 00:13:36,890 --> 00:13:40,930 Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that the man lives there or is one of 209 00:13:40,930 --> 00:13:42,150 your neighbors, Jimmy. 210 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:43,009 Hello, Mark. 211 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:44,870 Also doesn't mean that he isn't. 212 00:13:45,070 --> 00:13:46,270 Got you. We... 213 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Tell the chief he's going out. Let me reassure you. 214 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,880 I'm confident you won't have to worry about being chicken for the rest of your 215 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,960 life. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. 216 00:14:03,340 --> 00:14:04,820 And our thanks to you, Jimmy. 217 00:14:06,740 --> 00:14:11,100 Now, ladies and gentlemen, suppose we turn to the... Okay, line up the shrink. 218 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:12,540 ...aspects of this case. 219 00:14:13,140 --> 00:14:16,620 The dynamics of people's reactions. For that, we... 220 00:14:17,370 --> 00:14:20,330 Again, sir, to Dr. Buck. Excuse me if I may interrupt. 221 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:22,350 What's he doing? 222 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:23,650 Where do we go from here? 223 00:14:24,290 --> 00:14:26,850 You heard what he said. He might want to change things. 224 00:14:27,850 --> 00:14:32,330 ...personally involved in this crime, who knew certain things about the victim 225 00:14:32,330 --> 00:14:34,430 and the man who killed her. 226 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:40,970 This young lady is a psychology graduate student at Creighton State College, a 227 00:14:40,970 --> 00:14:44,590 school where Mary Belmont also was a student. 228 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,840 They have a hotline on the Creighton campus. Students can call a number, get 229 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,200 friendly voice at the other end of the phone to talk to them or to listen to 230 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,200 their problems. 231 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,640 Our next guest listened to Mary Belmont. 232 00:15:00,460 --> 00:15:01,700 She heard a great deal. 233 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,079 It worked. 234 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,100 He's still on the hook. 235 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:09,620 This is Miss Sandy Weiner. 236 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,480 Good evening, Miss Weiner. 237 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,140 Thank you for being with us. 238 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:14,920 Chief Ironside. 239 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,280 Miss Weiner, we know that Miss Belmont spoke to you several times in the last 240 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,300 month. In fact, she phoned just a few hours before her last trip to this city. 241 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:30,620 Would you please tell us about that last... Sir, I'd like to make a 242 00:15:30,620 --> 00:15:32,080 first. Of course. 243 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,820 The hotline is supposed to be very confidential. 244 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:42,360 So I want people to understand that I didn't go to the police. 245 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,180 They somehow found me. 246 00:15:45,070 --> 00:15:50,190 And besides, Mary was already dead, so I felt I could somehow help by telling 247 00:15:50,190 --> 00:15:51,190 what I know. 248 00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:54,090 I can reassure everyone on that, Miss Weiner. 249 00:15:54,610 --> 00:15:56,530 Getting you here was no small thing. 250 00:15:59,530 --> 00:16:03,870 Well, from the first to the last, Mary Belmont only talked about one thing. 251 00:16:04,690 --> 00:16:06,790 An affair she was having with some man. 252 00:16:07,770 --> 00:16:08,790 A married man. 253 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,400 And lately things had gone sour and the man's wife had become suspicious. 254 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,780 Mary thought the man was going to dump her. 255 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:22,380 And her last trip up here was supposed to be some kind of showdown with the 256 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,380 She never mentioned his name. Oh, no. He had drummed it into her about being 257 00:16:26,380 --> 00:16:27,380 super cautious. 258 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,220 She wasn't even allowed to have a snapshot of him. 259 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,820 But she did tell you she was bringing something to him this last trip. 260 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:39,890 Yes. It was a drawing of him. 261 00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:42,010 She'd done from memory. 262 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:43,770 Mary Belmont was an art student. 263 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:45,690 Yes. She was a very good one. 264 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:49,950 Now, we can assume that a drawing would be a good likeness. He's all ears. 265 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:51,650 Oh, sir. I don't mean any drawing. 266 00:16:51,930 --> 00:16:52,930 Right on. 267 00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:54,490 All right. 268 00:16:55,470 --> 00:16:59,430 Drawing of the man who was her lover and our prime suspect. 269 00:17:00,630 --> 00:17:04,230 Now, what did Mary Belmont tell you she would do with this drawing? 270 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,220 Well, there was some place in San Francisco with a mailing address. 271 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,060 That's how they got messages to each other. 272 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,339 She couldn't call him at home, of course, or where he worked. I suppose he 273 00:17:18,339 --> 00:17:19,920 afraid of his wife finding out somehow. 274 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:27,420 Anyway, Mary was awfully upset, and her idea was to leave the drawing there, 275 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,280 wherever, before she talked to him. 276 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,700 It was pathetic. I mean, it was so desperate. 277 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:39,240 She was going to leave a note with the drawing saying how would he like it if 278 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,820 she sent a copy of this and a letter to his wife. 279 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,140 But honestly, I could tell that this was just some kind of game she was playing 280 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:48,140 with herself. 281 00:17:49,260 --> 00:17:52,580 All she wanted was reassurance. She didn't want it to end at all. 282 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:58,360 She sounded so erratic, and I tried to talk her out of going, but I couldn't. 283 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,880 And I couldn't leave the hotline either. 284 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,420 You did your job, Miss Weiner. 285 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,800 Now it's up to the rest of us. 286 00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:08,000 Thank you. Thank you very much. 287 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:09,740 Thank you. 288 00:18:10,020 --> 00:18:15,140 That man's picture can be found wherever Mary Belmont and the man exchanged 289 00:18:15,140 --> 00:18:17,220 their messages. Now, where was that? 290 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,480 A mailbox? 291 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,760 Perhaps in a little back room rented under an assumed name? 292 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,820 Perhaps a post office box also under an assumed name? 293 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,860 There are thousands of rooms and many post office boxes in all branches. 294 00:18:33,630 --> 00:18:34,730 It's a big job. 295 00:18:35,550 --> 00:18:39,510 In time, we would, of course, get to the right place, the right box. 296 00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:42,330 But someone out there can help. 297 00:18:43,150 --> 00:18:48,130 Someone of you can cut the time it would take us by days, by hours. 298 00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:53,710 I would like our other pictures of Mary Belmont to be shown now. 299 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:56,530 Ready to change pictures? 300 00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:59,670 Please study this girl. Change. 301 00:19:00,230 --> 00:19:01,910 Some of you must have seen her. 302 00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:04,850 She was in the city once a week. 303 00:19:05,650 --> 00:19:09,490 She went to that place with the mailbox or that post office box. 304 00:19:10,430 --> 00:19:13,930 One of you try to remember where it was you saw her. 305 00:19:14,910 --> 00:19:21,570 Now please just look at her pictures and look and concentrate. 306 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:24,650 Sorry I had to interrupt. 307 00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:26,710 Perfectly all right, Chief. 308 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,160 This is just as much your show as ours. Would you let those pictures roll for a 309 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,340 few moments? Then carry on. I'll be right back. 310 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:34,700 Certainly, sir. 311 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,620 Ladies and gentlemen, anything? 312 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:41,960 The usual crank calls. A few people remember seeing her, but on canvas. 313 00:19:43,580 --> 00:19:48,140 Nothing. He's staying, but... Belmont, even if you just think you might 314 00:19:48,140 --> 00:19:52,640 have seen her, won't you please call in and tell us what you can? 315 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:54,720 Thank you. 316 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,899 I'm going out. 317 00:19:55,900 --> 00:20:00,460 Maybe you shouldn't. I need some air. 318 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:03,860 Anyway, we've already had the big moment. 319 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,660 We saw you on TV. 320 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Yeah, we did. 321 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:14,080 He's moving. 322 00:20:16,980 --> 00:20:17,980 Hello, 323 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,570 singer. Yeah, go ahead. 324 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:27,890 Thank you. 325 00:20:28,830 --> 00:20:31,210 He left the apartment. Ed's on his way. 326 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:33,210 Contact the stakeout car. 327 00:20:34,410 --> 00:20:36,750 Act of a sordid neurotic episode. 328 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:43,930 And such a man, such a sick person would have a... just a compulsion to watch 329 00:20:43,930 --> 00:20:44,549 the show. 330 00:20:44,550 --> 00:20:45,550 More than that. 331 00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:46,930 My, uh... 332 00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:51,440 personal opinion, this kind of man would be compelled to act, to do something, 333 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:56,640 even take some kind of desperate action to avoid the forces he feels surrounding 334 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,640 him. 335 00:20:57,780 --> 00:21:00,120 Thank you, Doctor. I couldn't have said it better myself. 336 00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:11,000 Congressman Lowry, your subcommittee on urban violence has been worried about 337 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,120 our troubled cities long before the Mary Belmont murder. 338 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,220 Has anything you've heard here tonight so far affected your opinions? 339 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,580 Unfortunately not. 340 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,240 I feel that the danger on the city streets has turned too many of us 341 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:31,880 Lude us, if you please, to our television sets, which is okay with the 342 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,500 because that gets us out of their hair. 343 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,480 With few exceptions, this tragedy is a perfect example of how we're being 344 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,040 trained to do nothing, to watch. 345 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,320 This program proves it, too. 346 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,320 Crime has become another spectator sport. Congressman, I'm sure, I'm quite 347 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,020 the police department doesn't regard crime as a kind of game or sport. 348 00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:58,880 But if it has to be characterized that way, we do know the score. 349 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,720 Chief Ironside, I'm not singling out the police anymore. 350 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,040 And pour this to the chief and then wait here. 351 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:41,380 I feel that the danger on the city streets has turned too many of us 352 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:46,820 With few exceptions, this tragedy is a perfect example of how we're being 353 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:48,440 trained to do nothing but watch. 354 00:22:49,340 --> 00:22:50,340 Miss Programmer. 355 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,140 Uh, come on, dude. I want us to sell. 356 00:23:25,340 --> 00:23:27,620 Rhoda, what are you doing here? 357 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:30,340 I saw you come into the park. 358 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,800 I was afraid. 359 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,420 Rhoda, what is it? 360 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:38,000 This is the place. 361 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:43,700 The place where that girl came to meet her... The place where that girl was 362 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:45,060 killed. Oh. 363 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,700 Well, I thought it was over this way more. No, here. 364 00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:50,059 All right. 365 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:51,240 But what's the difference? 366 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,680 Why should you want to come here? 367 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,080 I couldn't help myself. 368 00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:58,940 That program. 369 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,520 What they're saying and what they're asking. 370 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,420 It made me think. 371 00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:06,780 To wonder. 372 00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:08,460 About what? 373 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:11,260 I don't know. 374 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,100 There must have been some way I could help. 375 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:20,840 You told all you knew to the police. To that reporter. 376 00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:24,940 Did I? 377 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:33,420 Honey, if there's anything else, I mean, if you're keeping something back, 378 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:39,380 I can't imagine why, but if you are, then you should go to them. 379 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,940 You should, honestly. 380 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,160 No. 381 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,860 God help me. 382 00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:53,200 There's nothing more I can tell them. 383 00:25:44,879 --> 00:25:48,340 I'm just fed up with these endless discussions of why there is so much 384 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,240 Why the police don't do more, why the average man doesn't do more. 385 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,080 Right now, for instance, this pseudo -public way of investigating a murder. 386 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,020 He's taking his car, it's following him. 387 00:26:00,220 --> 00:26:01,660 To a post office, I hope. 388 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,160 Chief Ironside, I'd like to quote back a word that you used earlier. 389 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,920 Isn't it likely this will become a circus? 390 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,280 We'll just have to wait and see. 391 00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:15,420 Believe me, I don't want anyone to misunderstand my concern. 392 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,760 We know it, sweetheart. 393 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:18,480 We're off to get reelected. 394 00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:23,980 But what concerns me is a situation we have today that we didn't have 50 or 60 395 00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:27,820 years ago. The media, the impact of instant communications, particularly 396 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:28,820 television. 397 00:26:29,290 --> 00:26:30,690 People watch the news. 398 00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:32,310 Crime stuff is vivid. 399 00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:36,550 It has an impact far beyond its relative position in the day's events. 400 00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:40,650 I think television is correctly doing its duty. 401 00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:42,810 It's hard to make the public understand. 402 00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:47,270 I don't want to preempt the clergy's prerogative. 403 00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:52,530 I have enough problems trying to maintain my own responsibilities, but I 404 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:56,430 think this is all a matter of a national loss of faith. It's a vicious circle. 405 00:26:57,550 --> 00:27:01,430 The people see so much crime news, they've lost faith in themselves as the 406 00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:02,430 abiding. 407 00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:07,530 The overworked police in turn seem to have lost faith in their old ability to 408 00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:10,070 maintain law and order because of the public's attitude. 409 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:13,550 Because of this whole business of court decisions and arrest. 410 00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:16,350 Finally, the circle becomes complete. 411 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:21,930 A people reflecting the change in the police's attitude. 412 00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:24,670 The growing anger and the cynicism. 413 00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:27,210 Losing faith in the police? 414 00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:28,850 I have to differ with you, Congressman. 415 00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:35,270 Young people like Sandy Weiner and Jimmy Sanders, they didn't lose faith, they 416 00:27:35,270 --> 00:27:36,270 tried. 417 00:27:36,650 --> 00:27:41,350 Dozens of policemen all over this city following up leads you don't know about. 418 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:42,530 They haven't quit either. 419 00:27:43,670 --> 00:27:47,770 Those people in our audience who are beginning to call us. 420 00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:53,430 Those who may have seen Mary Belmont at that mailbox or post office box. 421 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:55,450 It's no spectator sport to them. 422 00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:58,750 They're trying to help. I don't believe it's a circus. 423 00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:00,370 People are looking. 424 00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:04,410 Somebody's going to remember where he or she saw that girl. 425 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:05,950 Here, what mailbox? 426 00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:12,210 May we please have those pictures of Mary Belmont again and our phone number, 427 00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:13,250 please? 428 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:36,300 Guess there are a couple of people that know something. 429 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,280 Can solve the whole case right now. 430 00:28:39,740 --> 00:28:41,380 Faith, ladies and gentlemen. 431 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,460 The word faith has been bandied back and forth here the last few minutes. I 432 00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:48,540 think perhaps Mrs. 433 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:50,620 Pyle... Ready on two? Glad we're here from you. 434 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:52,519 Take two. 435 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,060 I don't think that I have any special qualifications to discuss matters of 436 00:28:57,060 --> 00:28:58,060 faith. 437 00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:59,760 My husband never did. 438 00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:01,480 And I... 439 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:05,730 Don't think, Congressman, that that's included in your electoral mandate 440 00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:13,590 But I have become somewhat impatient sitting here and listening to 441 00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:18,210 it said that Mary Belmont's pathetic death seems to prove somehow that some 442 00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:24,610 fiber has gone out of our people, that we've lost a faith in ourselves, 443 00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:26,410 a self -respect, whatever. 444 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,320 Ladies and gentlemen, we lose those things and find those things every day. 445 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,420 And have, ever since man got off all fours and therefore was able to look up. 446 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:45,880 This case, the Kitty Genovese case in New York, a few others, have received 447 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,960 tremendous publicity. 448 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:49,980 I've got to speak to Chief Ironside. It's important. 449 00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:51,660 Charlie, not again. 450 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Charlie. 451 00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:59,290 Just this once. Will you stay out of our hair? I'm the one. I did it. Yeah, 452 00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:01,150 yeah, I know. This time, I really did. 453 00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:05,110 I killed that girl. Yeah, I know, Charlie. You don't understand. 454 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:06,089 I did. 455 00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:10,030 I'm the one. You don't understand. I killed that girl, I tell you. I really 456 00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:12,070 Quick. Get out of business, Bob. 457 00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:14,730 But things have changed. 458 00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:16,890 I was pounding a neighborhood beat. 459 00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:20,550 People have changed. What Dr. 460 00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:22,170 Bartheim calls the... 461 00:30:23,390 --> 00:30:24,990 Fear, psychosis, and cities. 462 00:30:25,910 --> 00:30:28,350 You discussed it in your last article, Doctor. 463 00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:31,090 You mean about people turning inward. 464 00:30:31,770 --> 00:30:33,670 It was just a way of making my point. 465 00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:37,870 I feel that when people turn inward, they think they're only locking their 466 00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:41,410 doors, but they end up also locking their hearts. 467 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,100 Post -op. 468 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,180 Maybe he's not our man. 469 00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:03,180 I'm not a post officer or nothing. 470 00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:04,560 He got rattled. 471 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:10,100 Ed's in his tail, but there's no way of figuring where he's going right now. 472 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,920 We had him. 473 00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:13,640 We had him. 474 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640 Until I understand the line, I want to know every turn he makes. 475 00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:21,920 Ed, stay with us. The city gates were also locked. 476 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:27,140 It was a time when every man had to carry a weapon because... 477 00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:32,880 Violence and murder were the norm, and so -called law and order the rare 478 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,880 exception. 479 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:41,280 We are living at a bizarre and ironic time in our history. We have 480 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:47,400 the luxury of analyzing ourselves, of being very harsh and sitting in judgment 481 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,400 on ourselves. 482 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,380 Oh, I just hope we don't overdo it. 483 00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:57,280 I haven't agreed with you. 484 00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:03,600 We humans have made a lot of progress. Well, the current anger and isolation of 485 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,740 many of the people in our congested cities is a major setback. We have to 486 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:14,760 a... All right, you heard the man. Move in one. As Chief Ironside pointed out, 487 00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:19,340 many people, so -called average citizens, aren't turning away tonight. 488 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,080 They're trying to help the police one way or another. 489 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,500 help narrow in on that one particular mailbox or post office box. 490 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,580 I've been watching Chief Ironside's staff. They have two special phone 491 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,320 One hookup just for police work and the other for the public. That number that 492 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,540 we've been showing you on the screen from time to time and the number that 493 00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:45,560 people have been using. 494 00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:51,060 Obviously, we can't tell you the substance of these calls, but... 495 00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:53,050 We can report that they are coming in. 496 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:54,790 People are calling. 497 00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:56,490 Seriously, trying to help. 498 00:33:58,530 --> 00:34:03,170 I didn't have the pleasure of knowing your late husband, Mrs. Powell, but 499 00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:08,150 you say that you and he were more or less in conjunction with your feelings 500 00:34:08,150 --> 00:34:09,949 about this current crime situation? 501 00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:12,909 Yes, I'm sure. He's just crossing Geary. 502 00:34:13,850 --> 00:34:14,850 Coming this way. 503 00:34:15,010 --> 00:34:16,210 May not mean anything. 504 00:34:16,469 --> 00:34:18,650 If it wasn't the drawing alone, it would nail him. 505 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,580 I was catching him at that post office box, red -handed. 506 00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,480 Chief, we'll get him eventually. 507 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,719 We want him now. 508 00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:29,420 Who cannot visit the parks, they visit it as children. And I feel that I must 509 00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:34,440 stand behind strong measures now to alleviate this very distressing 510 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,980 Yeah. Ed? 511 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,120 You've got to be kidding. 512 00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:42,260 If he does that, wow. 513 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,060 We've got ourselves a live one. 514 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:52,770 am not weak, where the positive approach would be to say, I am strong. 515 00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:55,110 And I think that's what we ought to convey to the people. 516 00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:56,668 Yes, sir. 517 00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:57,670 May I help you? 518 00:34:57,830 --> 00:35:00,190 Your program, the one about the girl? 519 00:35:01,390 --> 00:35:04,390 I think I have some information that may help you. 520 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:06,230 Yes, sir. Right this way, sir. 521 00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:19,570 schedule of programs as such, and I feel that includes crime shows. I feel that 522 00:35:19,570 --> 00:35:23,210 includes the news. I feel that the media does lead the people. 523 00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:27,390 Thank you for coming, sir. Won't you sit down? 524 00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:32,470 Ladies and gentlemen, as you can see, we have another gentleman. 525 00:35:33,830 --> 00:35:34,830 He's an iceberg. 526 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:40,450 Asking you for out there, for someone, anyone to come forward. 527 00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:43,150 In this case, Mr. Martin Lucas. 528 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,300 Mr. Lucas happens to be a resident of one of the apartment houses directly 529 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:52,100 across the street from the park where Mary Belmont was murdered. 530 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:54,620 In fact, we saw Mr. 531 00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,940 Lucas' wife earlier this evening in one of our film clip interviews, and she was 532 00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:06,240 one of the first persons who called in to the police. Isn't that correct, Mr. 533 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,280 Lucas? Yes. 534 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,260 But unfortunately, as my wife said, the call was too late. 535 00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:18,250 Mr. Lucas came to our studio because the sight of Mary Belmont, the pictures we 536 00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:19,570 showed, triggered his memory. 537 00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:22,490 I really don't know if it's important. 538 00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:25,610 I know him. He always asks me about the team. 539 00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:31,470 This happened maybe, oh, ten days ago. 540 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:39,590 Ten days or a week before that girl... Well, that is 541 00:36:39,590 --> 00:36:40,590 before it happened. 542 00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:46,540 And that also fit in when I started remembering. You said she came to the 543 00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:47,760 once a week. That's right. 544 00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:51,760 Well, anyway, I'd been aware of something going on in that park. 545 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:57,360 A man and a woman. That night, you mean? A week before the murder? 546 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,500 Yes. But the thing was, it looked strange. 547 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,580 I mean, one came from one direction, one from the other. 548 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,520 I suppose it was their place to meet. 549 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:12,810 Now, this is embarrassing. I am not a snoop. 550 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:18,770 But there was something so... well, secretive about the two of them, about 551 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:23,310 talking quietly together and then arguing and then talking again. 552 00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:28,870 I admit it. I watched them. Everybody watches, Mr. Lucas. 553 00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:33,150 That's how a great many police cases get solved, as perhaps you yourself are 554 00:37:33,150 --> 00:37:34,150 proving right now. 555 00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:38,650 Now, those snapshots of Mary Belmont... 556 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,240 Did seem like the girl to you, I take it. 557 00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:48,200 Well, it was dark and all that, but the second time you showed those pictures, 558 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:54,220 one pose in particular, a serious pose, I knew it. 559 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,840 It was the same girl. 560 00:37:57,460 --> 00:38:03,000 I'm sorry. I know I should have come to the police sooner, but after all, I'd 561 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,600 seen people in that park, couples, you know. 562 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:07,860 It's sort of dark. It's a... 563 00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:12,970 It's a natural... Excuse me. 564 00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:16,330 These television lights, sir. Yes, they are bad. 565 00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:23,730 If you saw enough of the girl to match her to our photos, Mr. 566 00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:27,610 Lucas, you must have seen the man fairly clearly. 567 00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:32,030 The artist's drawing. I mean, the light from the street was mainly hitting her. 568 00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:35,930 But, I mean, I did see something. 569 00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:42,980 That's why I'm here. Mr. Lucas, that drawing was made by our police artist. 570 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,660 Admittedly, very incomplete. 571 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,380 Now, do you think you could add anything to it? 572 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,900 Well, the man I saw seemed quite average looking. 573 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,220 Perhaps a bit taller than average. 574 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,920 Perhaps a bit thinner. 575 00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:09,810 And as for features, it seemed to me his nose was longer than that. 576 00:39:11,330 --> 00:39:13,190 He's almost describing himself. 577 00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:14,990 Oh, that's cute. 578 00:39:15,610 --> 00:39:21,210 If somebody else did see the girl in him, it'll seem to back up what he said. 579 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:26,250 I don't know. I'm trying to remember. 580 00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:29,690 Not too much. We're starting to run out. 581 00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:31,970 Frank, keep it moving. 582 00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:35,220 I'm afraid that's it. 583 00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:41,540 I guess when you think about it, what I had to say is not really very important 584 00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:44,360 at all, is it? Every scrap of information is useful. 585 00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:49,800 Thank you, Mr. Lucas. Thanks for taking the trouble to come here this evening. 586 00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:53,360 Oh, it's no trouble at all. I'm just sorry that I couldn't be of more help. 587 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,600 This way. 588 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:59,080 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm preparing for our discussion here tonight. I visited 589 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,920 the deputy mayor in City Hall. 590 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:02,980 I was curious about the... 591 00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:07,160 Public's reaction to Mary Belmont's death. That's all, Chief. I'll be 592 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,240 home. My wife is... I'll have to ask you to stay, Mr. Lucas, just until the 593 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,240 program is over. 594 00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:15,320 Then I'd like you to repeat your statement to a police stenographer. 595 00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:16,960 Official red tape. I'm sorry. 596 00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:22,720 Well, it won't take too long. I don't know. Why don't you just wait over 597 00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:24,300 cool off, have something to drink? 598 00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:30,420 I have a copy of this. I asked if I... Read them on the air. 599 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,280 And it's... 600 00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:38,190 I don't know what spooked him. He was going for that mailbox. 601 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:39,470 He didn't reach it. 602 00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:50,030 I'm in Miss Nichols' class. 603 00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:54,890 Fran, there's a vending machine in the hall. Get a couple of bags of peanuts. 604 00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:55,950 Put them near Lucas. 605 00:40:56,370 --> 00:41:00,130 Did you say... peanuts? 606 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:04,600 Give him his wine. 607 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,720 He said the police are no good. He said nobody's safe on our streets. 608 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,460 He doesn't have much time. 609 00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:15,960 You think he'll go for it? 610 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,320 Never mind. 611 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,260 Let's just hope he doesn't get spooked again. 612 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,580 We're going to wait for the chief, aren't we? 613 00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:27,560 I could ask you, Mr. Mayor. 614 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,680 Aren't the police watching out for all of us? 615 00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:32,980 Moving to... 616 00:41:33,550 --> 00:41:34,550 Take it tight. 617 00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:35,830 Five minutes. 618 00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:37,350 He better start wrapping up. 619 00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:40,530 But as Mayor Falco said, very much to the point. 620 00:41:40,930 --> 00:41:44,370 And this was his answer to Janet. 621 00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:49,130 Dear Janet, thank you for your letter. We in the mayor's office like to hear 622 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:50,410 from young people like you. 623 00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:55,090 For you are the future citizens of this great city. 624 00:41:56,830 --> 00:42:01,190 In answer to your question, the police in the city are doing their very best to 625 00:42:01,190 --> 00:42:02,190 watch out for everyone. 626 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,740 Just as your father is doing his very best for all of us in the Pacific. 627 00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:09,720 Isn't that big though? Yes. 628 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,140 Well, this is a big city. 629 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:19,500 The police and the city officials can't do every job right, right away. 630 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,200 I'll let Miss Weiner standing by. We need help from people. 631 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,040 And there are those who say that some of the people didn't help soon enough to 632 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,100 save Mary Belmont. 633 00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:33,660 Hindsight is easy, Janet. 634 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,780 It seems to me people did try. 635 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,980 Next time, I'm sure they'll try harder. 636 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,860 We want to build not only a great city, but a safe one for you and your 637 00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:46,860 generation. 638 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,300 Now, ladies and gentlemen, we only have a few minutes left. 639 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,300 If I may have them, please. What's he doing? He's killing me. 640 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:57,800 So, call a cop. You never know what will trap a criminal. 641 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,140 Sometimes it's a mass of evidence. 642 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,440 Sometimes a very small personal detail. 643 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,680 In this case, there's one I neglected to mention. 644 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,260 Miss Weiner, will you come back here, please? 645 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:22,520 Miss Weiner, when we spoke about Mary Belmont day before yesterday, 646 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,100 you told me everything you knew about her. 647 00:43:26,540 --> 00:43:29,520 Well, just what I told you, what she told me on the hotline. 648 00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:33,170 Well, since we have a little time... Time? 649 00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:34,430 What time? 650 00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:38,590 ...unusual personal detail she mentioned in one of those telephone calls. 651 00:43:39,830 --> 00:43:42,630 It's possible that it could be a clue. 652 00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:47,410 The way he apparently liked to doctor up his Cokes. 653 00:43:47,890 --> 00:43:51,210 You mean what she said about him pouring peanuts into the bottle? 654 00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:52,710 Yes, peanuts in a Coke. 655 00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:54,650 Old -fashioned combination. 656 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:57,270 Mary Belmont tried it herself. 657 00:43:58,220 --> 00:44:02,940 Yeah, that's how it came up. She was talking about how everything had changed 658 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:04,060 since she'd been involved. 659 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,020 She did all the things that he liked. 660 00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:09,680 It's a tiny detail. 661 00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:13,780 But perhaps this will help us pinpoint the man. 662 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,920 We have other facts, ladies and gentlemen. 663 00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:20,380 The hour for this program is almost over. 664 00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:22,380 Yeah, you said it, Chief. It's not my work day. 665 00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:26,640 We are closing in on Mary Belmont's killer. 666 00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:30,260 I'm certain he's hearing these words. 667 00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:32,660 Let him hear this. 668 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,420 It is only a matter of time. 669 00:44:38,540 --> 00:44:44,120 Now, where does this so -called respectable man think he's going to 670 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,120 own home? 671 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,120 We know he's married. 672 00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:51,360 We have reason to believe his wife has her own suspicions. 673 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,040 If she has kept silent so far... 674 00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:57,780 How long will she keep silent? 675 00:44:59,020 --> 00:45:03,280 How long could a man depend on her silence for his life? 676 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:31,660 we've been talking about why some people didn't help, why others did, and how 677 00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:32,660 much they helped. 678 00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:38,000 We haven't mentioned the one person who helped us the most. 679 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,260 And that's Mary Belmont's killer. 680 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,080 I told you, he's an amateur. 681 00:45:49,060 --> 00:45:50,420 He left us a trail. 682 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,080 He's been doing it all along. 683 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:54,420 Hey. 684 00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:55,870 Even tonight. 685 00:45:56,830 --> 00:45:58,170 Even this past hour. 686 00:45:59,770 --> 00:46:00,770 Even now. 687 00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:07,430 Fred, pull back. Stay with him, quick. 688 00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:44,600 Chief, are you all right? Fine, fine. 689 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:46,920 Good. 690 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,640 Take two. 691 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:55,260 Ladies and gentlemen, I don't have to explain to you what happened here 692 00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:59,660 You saw it all, just as it was happening. 693 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:07,500 All I can say is this concludes our special presentation, and if I might 694 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,140 most successfully. 695 00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:14,410 Thank you, and good night.