1 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:04,710 Testing, one, two. Testing. 2 00:00:07,250 --> 00:00:11,220 The interview location will be in the emergency room at Parkwest Hospital. 3 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:14,470 The motive is a criminal attack 4 00:00:14,550 --> 00:00:18,890 of a victim who was strangled by a white man, 5 00:00:18,970 --> 00:00:23,230 who left her to die, took her car and disappeared. 6 00:00:23,310 --> 00:00:26,060 TBI - AGENCY OF TENNESSEE INVESTIGATION 7 00:00:26,150 --> 00:00:28,110 Say your full name, please. 8 00:00:28,690 --> 00:00:30,070 Beautiful Marie Schacke. 9 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:33,990 Interview date: 03/06/85. 10 00:00:34,070 --> 00:00:34,990 Wait! 11 00:00:35,070 --> 00:00:38,200 Interview time: 3:25 am. 12 00:00:38,910 --> 00:00:39,830 Just a minute. 13 00:00:42,830 --> 00:00:45,370 - When was she attacked? - On March 6, 1985. 14 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:49,210 For more than an hour, close midnight between the 5th and 6th. 15 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:51,010 The recording is from that morning. 16 00:00:51,670 --> 00:00:53,130 Can you go back? I don't know. 17 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:54,590 Is there a way to rewind? 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,760 - I don't know. Let's see. - It is the REW button. 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:57,720 I understood. 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,310 Thanks. Ready? 21 00:00:59,390 --> 00:01:00,310 Yes. 22 00:01:04,060 --> 00:01:06,150 I asked where he was going, and he just drove 23 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:08,020 without stopping, until it stopped 24 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:09,860 on the shoulder of the interstate. 25 00:01:09,940 --> 00:01:12,230 I looked at him and said, "Are you going to kill me?" 26 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,780 "I go." "Why?" "Because you're a nuisance." 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,410 That's when he strangled me. It kept squeezing, and I couldn't breathe. 28 00:01:24,500 --> 00:01:29,170 The next thing I remember It's being in a cement hole. 29 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:34,050 I was dragging myself and climbed the ravine. 30 00:01:34,130 --> 00:01:36,840 Follow in the direction the sound of traffic. 31 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:40,680 I didn't see anything, but I thought 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,810 that he must have been watching me. 33 00:01:42,890 --> 00:01:45,600 Then the highway police found you and brought you here? 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:46,890 Yes. 35 00:01:48,650 --> 00:01:50,190 She looks very young. 36 00:01:50,770 --> 00:01:52,360 It really does. 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Heavy. 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,530 What is the color natural of your hair? 39 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:57,570 Brown. 40 00:01:57,660 --> 00:01:58,990 Do you dye it red? 41 00:01:59,070 --> 00:02:01,080 Did he say something about your hair? 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:06,290 Yes, he said something. I I kind of laughed and said it was dyed. 43 00:02:06,370 --> 00:02:09,120 He looked at me strangely. I asked if he was mad. 44 00:02:10,210 --> 00:02:15,260 That was Linda Schacke, the only surviving victim 45 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:16,510 of these murders. 46 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:18,760 The Redhead Murders. 47 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,050 A known series of homicides like Redhead Murders. 48 00:02:23,180 --> 00:02:26,350 Two weeks ago, found the decomposed body 49 00:02:26,430 --> 00:02:29,350 of a redhead in the Shire of Cheatham, near Nashville. 50 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,770 Last week, another redhead was found in Corbin, Kentucky. 51 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:35,070 Greene Authorities found the body 52 00:02:35,150 --> 00:02:36,780 of yet another redheaded victim. 53 00:02:37,650 --> 00:02:40,110 The cases have several points in common, 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,910 including hair color. 55 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:45,790 Five of the six women have not yet been identified. 56 00:02:45,870 --> 00:02:49,210 It was the time of Ted Bundy, from the Zodiac Killer 57 00:02:49,290 --> 00:02:52,880 and a wave of homicides in the 80s in the southern USA. 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,760 The murders raised suspicions of another serial killer is released. 59 00:02:57,550 --> 00:03:00,890 For three decades, the mystery remained unsolved. 60 00:03:00,970 --> 00:03:03,800 It was then that a group of students from Elizabethton School 61 00:03:03,890 --> 00:03:05,140 began to investigate. 62 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:10,770 The students passed the first semester of 2018 gathering evidence, 63 00:03:10,850 --> 00:03:13,270 talking to investigators and assembling dossiers. 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,440 To be a good teacher, 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,150 It is necessary to let the students interested and excited about the work. 66 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,370 With the investigation, they managed to identify a possible suspect. 67 00:03:23,450 --> 00:03:26,160 Professor Alex Campbell want to bring together another group 68 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,870 to continue It's investigation. 69 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:35,290 Seven years ago, everything we had There were some newspaper articles. 70 00:03:35,380 --> 00:03:38,340 I want you to look there and see how far we've come. 71 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:41,470 But the question that still haunts us: 72 00:03:42,010 --> 00:03:45,640 Is there a serial killer killing with impunity 73 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,680 right here, in our city? 74 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:20,840 MURDER CLASS 75 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,930 Growing up here is wonderful. 76 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,600 They grow outdoors. 77 00:05:17,690 --> 00:05:19,190 SOCIOLOGY PROFESSOR 78 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:21,400 It has several trails in the middle of the bush. 79 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,030 It has waterfalls. 80 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:25,240 Fishing, hunting 81 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:27,820 It's almost idyllic. 82 00:05:32,620 --> 00:05:33,540 I arrive first. 83 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:39,000 I swear, if my truck It's not here, send me a message: 84 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,000 "Are you sick? Aren't you going to work today?" 85 00:05:42,090 --> 00:05:43,670 There's no way to hide here. 86 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:52,770 It's a beautiful place, 87 00:05:54,980 --> 00:06:00,150 but it has many secrets hidden in these mountains. 88 00:06:09,030 --> 00:06:15,080 Elizabethton is a small town ancient in the Appalachian hills. 89 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,080 FIREWORKS 90 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:25,840 Practically everyone I know He is my cousin or distant relative. 91 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,380 When I retire, I will continue here. 92 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,640 One helps the other. All The world cares about us. 93 00:06:35,970 --> 00:06:37,810 That's what I like most about living here. 94 00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:40,150 BARBER 95 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:42,310 Outsiders make mistakes 96 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:46,030 when we think we are late and a bit slow. 97 00:06:46,110 --> 00:06:48,360 Sometimes they ask if we don't wear shoes 98 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:50,860 in Tennessee, and I say, "Yes, we do." 99 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:56,120 My family He has lived here for generations. 100 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:59,460 But I didn't know about the Redhead Murders. 101 00:07:01,710 --> 00:07:03,210 I searched the internet. 102 00:07:03,290 --> 00:07:06,800 I started seeing information which until then I was unaware of. 103 00:07:11,390 --> 00:07:13,850 These crimes happened here in the region. 104 00:07:13,930 --> 00:07:17,350 If no one remembers them, How will they be resolved? 105 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:20,600 That's why I wanted take the case to class. 106 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:23,900 That's what we're going to study. 107 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,950 We always listen say that Mr. Campbell 108 00:07:33,030 --> 00:07:39,330 It's that crazy teacher, but everyone wants to be in his class. 109 00:07:41,710 --> 00:07:44,290 I studied sociology about six years ago. 110 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:48,210 I've never seen a sociology class to speak 111 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:51,970 of murder, but That's how we study people. 112 00:07:56,050 --> 00:07:59,390 I'm just teaching sociology, but in a connected way 113 00:07:59,470 --> 00:08:02,350 It's someone's story who needs help. 114 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,480 I didn't know that would gain so much proportion. 115 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:09,690 The case exploded. 116 00:08:13,198 --> 00:08:15,198 ADAPTATION | REVIEW | SYNCHRONY: EMAIL | loschulosteam@gmail.com 117 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,950 - Lyons. - Here. 118 00:08:17,030 --> 00:08:17,870 - McDuffie. - Here. 119 00:08:17,950 --> 00:08:18,870 - Metcalf. - Here. 120 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:19,910 - And Wooten. - Here. 121 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,250 Very good. So, Today we will try to do something 122 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,960 and we will have to use our brains. 123 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,800 It's a summer activity. 124 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,630 I know, Mr. McDuffie. Better to borrow one. 125 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,430 What have you been doing in the summer? Napped, smoked vape? 126 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:37,050 - Yes. - Wait, did you say "yes"? 127 00:08:37,140 --> 00:08:38,510 I'll talk to your father. 128 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:42,100 So for the last seven years, 129 00:08:42,180 --> 00:08:45,310 my students worked hard in a certain project. 130 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,020 The case was stopped. 131 00:08:47,610 --> 00:08:51,070 There was no advancement in more than 30 years. 132 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:57,370 But over the past seven years, the case became extremely active. 133 00:08:57,450 --> 00:09:00,830 All good? But we still have lots of work ahead. 134 00:09:00,910 --> 00:09:05,210 So this year, let's start investigating the victims 135 00:09:05,290 --> 00:09:08,040 and understand who they they were like people 136 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:10,630 to try to find out who could have killed them. 137 00:09:11,550 --> 00:09:14,420 At the end of 1984, beginning of 1985, 138 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:16,930 multiple bodies started to appear. 139 00:09:17,010 --> 00:09:20,470 They realized there was a pattern. 140 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:23,390 ANOTHER REDHEAD 141 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,890 WOMAN FOUND DEAD 142 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:27,900 11� REDHEAD FOUND DEAD NEAR THE ROAD 143 00:09:27,980 --> 00:09:31,530 In 2017, the first class 144 00:09:31,610 --> 00:09:34,110 reviewed all the Redhead Murders. 145 00:09:34,190 --> 00:09:36,780 Now, depending on the source, 146 00:09:36,860 --> 00:09:38,990 could be 22, 147 00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:40,870 maybe 24 homicides. 148 00:09:45,620 --> 00:09:50,630 So, thinking about this group 22 to 24 victims, 149 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:53,170 what could you have done to be seen 150 00:09:53,260 --> 00:09:54,800 as part of a whole? 151 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,180 - Race. - Right, race. 152 00:09:57,260 --> 00:09:58,260 Very good. 153 00:09:58,340 --> 00:10:00,720 They were all white women. 154 00:10:01,350 --> 00:10:04,350 Physical size, right? They were all short. 155 00:10:04,430 --> 00:10:05,430 And the age? 156 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:08,980 Right? All were under 40 years old. 157 00:10:09,060 --> 00:10:13,190 In general, late adolescence, 20 to 30 years. 158 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:18,950 How to reduce this huge number for a group of six or seven? 159 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:20,700 21 AUTHORITIES EVALUATE LINKS 160 00:10:20,780 --> 00:10:23,620 What do they think makes cases more specific? 161 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:24,870 The cause of death. 162 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:28,080 Very good. Let's go add the cause of death. 163 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:31,500 And if they had been burned, thrown from a bridge? 164 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:32,670 You already run away a lot, don't you? 165 00:10:32,750 --> 00:10:35,590 You know. What was it the cause of death of this group? 166 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:36,920 - Strangulation. - That. 167 00:10:37,010 --> 00:10:39,550 Something close, personal, with your own hands. 168 00:10:39,630 --> 00:10:40,470 Location? 169 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:43,600 Location is even more important. 170 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:48,350 Almost all were found near 171 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,940 from the interstate or a major highway. 172 00:10:52,020 --> 00:10:54,570 They weren't women taken from the balcony of the house. 173 00:10:54,650 --> 00:10:56,990 They were already on the move. 174 00:10:57,070 --> 00:10:59,360 Anything else? And the time period? 175 00:11:00,070 --> 00:11:02,990 We are not talking of a decade of homicides. 176 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,500 It was a wave of short and violent crimes 177 00:11:06,580 --> 00:11:09,370 which lasted about six months, 178 00:11:09,460 --> 00:11:13,790 from the end of 1984 to March 1985. 179 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,420 It is this core that we are analyzing. 180 00:11:16,510 --> 00:11:19,840 This core of six or seven women. 181 00:11:19,930 --> 00:11:21,180 My students said: 182 00:11:21,260 --> 00:11:25,260 "You know what? We need investigate whether these people 183 00:11:25,890 --> 00:11:29,020 may have been victims from the same serial killer." 184 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,220 When he does something, surrenders completely. 185 00:12:10,140 --> 00:12:13,150 Since we were teenagers, he is a weightlifter. 186 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:15,650 This has always been his passion. 187 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,820 Good wrist control. 188 00:12:21,570 --> 00:12:23,070 Full body, bro. 189 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,200 Then he started doing historical reenactments. 190 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,790 When it gets a little cold outside, 191 00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:33,040 Just wear this here that you are already warm. 192 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,960 And he began to manufacture primitive objects at hand. 193 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,170 This is cool here. I changed with a guy for a cougar head, 194 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:44,550 by the skin of a cougar's head, 195 00:12:44,630 --> 00:12:48,010 and I thought about doing A very stylish cell phone holder. 196 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,520 He learned alone weaving on a loom. 197 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,020 It's like a school exhibition, but for adults. 198 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:56,770 Then came the project He decided to build a cabin. 199 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,030 Alex doesn't deal well with failure. 200 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:08,660 That's why he gives so much 201 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:10,200 and always goes further. 202 00:13:10,330 --> 00:13:12,870 He doesn't accept "no" as an answer. 203 00:13:18,420 --> 00:13:21,090 If they say it's impossible, it proves the opposite. 204 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:31,310 The most complicated thing about school 205 00:13:31,390 --> 00:13:32,970 It's just that she doesn't teach. 206 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:35,810 It exists to apply tests. 207 00:13:38,190 --> 00:13:42,190 A few years ago, as a teacher, I realized I was losing 208 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,110 some of my enthusiasm. 209 00:13:45,610 --> 00:13:47,950 And maybe the students were not motivated. 210 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:53,450 I would love for the whole country had to learn through projects. 211 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:54,960 FORGOTTEN 212 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,710 No more nonsense 213 00:13:56,790 --> 00:13:58,120 that don't help anyone. 214 00:13:58,210 --> 00:14:01,920 Let's focus on the type of learning that transforms students. 215 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:07,760 I like to think I'm a mouse in the hold of a ship. 216 00:14:08,430 --> 00:14:10,050 Let's say it's the Titanic. 217 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:15,430 So this gigantic machine It's been running for a long time. 218 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,140 Nobody knows her weight. 219 00:14:17,230 --> 00:14:19,600 It's at high speed. There is a captain 220 00:14:19,690 --> 00:14:23,320 and a whole crew who understands everything about the ship 221 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,690 and are leading in a certain direction. 222 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:28,360 But the bad news is that there is an iceberg. 223 00:14:28,450 --> 00:14:30,990 There will be a collision, and it won't end well. 224 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:32,530 I'm not the captain. 225 00:14:32,620 --> 00:14:34,740 I'm not the education secretary. 226 00:14:34,830 --> 00:14:36,250 I am not part of the council. 227 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:39,750 I'm not even a director. No I stay up there with the captain. 228 00:14:39,830 --> 00:14:42,670 I'm just a little mouse in the hold on the ship. 229 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:48,720 But mice love to chew, and they chew wires. 230 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,300 Maybe, if I chew the right wires, 231 00:14:52,390 --> 00:14:56,220 I can change the ship's route. 232 00:14:59,980 --> 00:15:03,020 If I want my students are really interested, 233 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:07,070 I need to teach something worthwhile the penalty in my classroom. 234 00:15:21,330 --> 00:15:23,290 I never liked true crime stories. 235 00:15:24,290 --> 00:15:26,000 I don't like horror films. 236 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:28,630 I'm scared to death that kind of thing. 237 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,640 I'm in my final year and I'm still I don't know what I want to do. 238 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:39,430 Last year, I produced a report about not having windows in our school. 239 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:40,350 CLASS OF 2025 240 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,940 Why the privilege to look out the window 241 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:45,570 Does it even exist in our school? 242 00:15:45,650 --> 00:15:47,190 History, music 243 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,030 Only in computer class 244 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:50,530 we found the first window. 245 00:15:51,070 --> 00:15:53,320 But she gives facing a wall. 246 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,450 Even the city's prisons have more than 200 windows. 247 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:03,120 Have already happened lots of crazy things in this matter. 248 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:06,000 I want my camera to record what's to come. 249 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:11,170 It's not just a criminal case. Let's try to help someone. 250 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:12,590 It can make a difference. 251 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,090 Sit there in the middle. 252 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,220 Right in the hole? 253 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:17,890 You don't need to sit in the hole. 254 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Beauty. 255 00:16:21,690 --> 00:16:24,230 Start by saying your name and year. 256 00:16:25,270 --> 00:16:28,070 My name Natalie Kodak and I'm in my second year. 257 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:30,900 Natalie reminds me of my sister. 258 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:33,240 Why did you choose sociology? 259 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,620 I chose sociology because 260 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:40,080 it was a subject that I was doing it with my boyfriend at the time. 261 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:43,920 But then we finished, and he gave up the matter. 262 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,250 CLASS OF 2025 263 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:46,460 My name is Shelby 264 00:16:46,540 --> 00:16:48,550 Should I look at the camera? Sorry. 265 00:16:48,630 --> 00:16:49,920 No, calm down. 266 00:16:50,630 --> 00:16:52,970 Shelby is very smart. 267 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:55,970 She participates of various activities. 268 00:16:57,140 --> 00:16:58,850 Freed the left. How proud. 269 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:02,390 Didn't hit Superman, on geese or on any other plane. 270 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,940 Okay, let's get started. 271 00:17:04,020 --> 00:17:05,980 I'm Austin Lyons, sophomore. 272 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,900 Austin is mysterious. 273 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,240 Still. 274 00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:17,410 I don't know Lacey much, but she seems very outgoing. 275 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:18,830 Hey! 276 00:17:18,910 --> 00:17:20,290 CLASS OF 2025 277 00:17:20,370 --> 00:17:22,500 McDuffie is younger. 278 00:17:22,580 --> 00:17:23,660 CLASS OF 2025 279 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:26,420 It's that funny guy, Half a class clown. 280 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:32,090 You can sit in the middle. 281 00:17:32,170 --> 00:17:34,130 And then there's Hannah. 282 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:35,050 Hi. 283 00:17:35,130 --> 00:17:36,340 She understands that this 284 00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:38,850 It's very important for class. 285 00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:40,850 We are talking of someone's life. 286 00:17:40,930 --> 00:17:45,270 I took this subject in second year and I fell in love 287 00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:48,100 for what we did, So I decided to do it again. 288 00:17:48,190 --> 00:17:50,440 I told the director that accepted any grade, 289 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,110 as long as there was this subject in the last year. 290 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:54,940 She takes this very seriously. 291 00:17:55,030 --> 00:17:57,860 There's not a day which she takes as a joke. 292 00:17:59,660 --> 00:18:03,200 Crimson is new at school and is kind of quiet. 293 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:04,120 I� 294 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,290 CLASS OF 2025 295 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:07,170 �it was mine� 296 00:18:09,670 --> 00:18:11,500 I still don't know her well. 297 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:34,530 Good morning, Cyclones. 298 00:18:34,610 --> 00:18:35,860 Prepare the energy. 299 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:38,070 The game is this Friday night. 300 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:41,240 Scream, be proud and let's cheer for our team. 301 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,240 Go, Barnett! 302 00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:47,830 It's normal. Students don't want talk to teachers. 303 00:18:47,910 --> 00:18:50,460 - We're not cool. - Yes, we are rude. 304 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:54,130 Who stays too close of a teacher, gets a bad reputation. 305 00:18:54,210 --> 00:18:55,760 - No, Miss. Luke? - What? 306 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,010 - �. - Yes. 307 00:18:57,090 --> 00:18:58,760 Grab your notebooks. 308 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,430 You're going to need them. 309 00:19:00,510 --> 00:19:03,010 Without wasting time. We only have 45 minutes. 310 00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:05,720 We study victimology. 311 00:19:05,810 --> 00:19:09,310 There are many similarities among the victims, 312 00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:11,690 but almost no physical evidence. 313 00:19:11,770 --> 00:19:16,480 I want to see if we can get more data about the Redhead Murders. 314 00:19:16,570 --> 00:19:19,950 It can be difficult. We'll have to investigate. 315 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:23,870 I think the time has come to make the FOIA request. 316 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,830 Do you remember What is a FOIA request? 317 00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:29,750 Yes? 318 00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:31,880 Request access to public information? 319 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,210 That. FOIA is the Law of Freedom of Information. 320 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:40,130 It is a federal law that defines that certain things are public 321 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:43,050 and accessible to anyone. 322 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,510 Do you remember the two main things 323 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,890 that we should get it in Tennessee? 324 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:49,890 - Yes? - Police reports? 325 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:52,350 Yes, the original bulletin. 326 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,360 And the other important thing? 327 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,150 We haven't gotten one yet. 328 00:19:58,650 --> 00:20:02,030 We've been trying for years. Do you remember what it is? 329 00:20:02,110 --> 00:20:04,780 The original coroner's report. 330 00:20:04,910 --> 00:20:08,160 We are entitled to it. Right? 331 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,330 As citizens of this state. 332 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:12,870 If we ask, they should deliver. 333 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,750 They are ready to get the information 334 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,210 who can ask at any time, 335 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,170 because they are citizens and do you have that right? 336 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:36,520 Sorry, Dwight Miller is unavailable. Leave your message after the tone. 337 00:20:37,150 --> 00:20:38,230 And now? 338 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,610 �turn off or press tic-tac-toe. 339 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:44,490 Hi, my name is Natalie and I would like to know 340 00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:49,410 Can I make a FOIA request? If you can get back to me 341 00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:53,620 on this number or send me a message with your email, 342 00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:55,290 it would be great. Thanks. 343 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:57,380 It was horrible. 344 00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:59,800 What does this request involve? 345 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:06,220 It's just access to public documents. 346 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:11,850 He said who do not receive FOIA requests 347 00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:14,310 and transferred for the metropolitan police. 348 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:18,310 Sorry, the number called 349 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,150 has been disconnected or is no longer in service. 350 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:23,320 I called the police and they said 351 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,610 which also do not receive FOIA requests. 352 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:28,910 Four numbers. 353 00:21:28,990 --> 00:21:30,620 I called this one. 354 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:35,080 If you go all the way down, the official number is the same. 355 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,040 As he is out of order 356 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:38,750 Is it the official number? 357 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:42,760 Leave your message after the tone. When finished, 358 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,090 hang up or press Tic-tac-toe. 359 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,550 Hi. This is Crimson, from Elizabethton School. 360 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,720 I want to make a FOIA request� 361 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:58,770 Press Tic Tac Toe or turn it off. To listen, 3. To re-record, 4. 362 00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:00,110 To add, 5. 363 00:22:00,190 --> 00:22:01,860 - Press 4. - To discard 364 00:22:02,610 --> 00:22:03,780 Did you achieve something? 365 00:22:03,860 --> 00:22:06,200 They kept transferring to other numbers. 366 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,570 - More helpful people? - Of course. 367 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:12,450 I hope they are starting to understand. 368 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:13,870 Do you know why it exists 369 00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:16,080 little information about these crimes? 370 00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:19,830 Because, in the last 30, 40 years, 371 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,050 everyone who asked for information felt like you. 372 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,470 Just because there is a state law 373 00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:29,930 which guarantees the right to this information, 374 00:22:30,010 --> 00:22:34,560 It doesn't mean it will be easy to obtain them. Are you starting to realize this? 375 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:42,690 Thank you for meeting with me to talk about the class. 376 00:22:42,770 --> 00:22:45,610 Imagine, man. I don't live very far away. 377 00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:49,030 Whenever you need, you can count on me. 378 00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:51,820 Mr Campbell commented about his class. 379 00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:53,030 Did they have any clues? 380 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:55,370 None. Nothing at all. 381 00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:56,660 It was a shot in the dark. 382 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:59,830 This is over leading us to an analysis. 383 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,090 We draw the profile of a serial killer. 384 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:08,010 If the guy likes to strangle and kill with your own hands, 385 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:10,510 can't be a skinny guy 386 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:13,640 1.63cm and 57kg. 387 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,640 It has to be more full-bodied. 388 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:18,520 It probably will be a white man. 389 00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:22,810 Serial killers often kill people of their own race. 390 00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:28,110 Maybe he has some trauma hooked up to a redhead. 391 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,740 Maybe it's from let anger and motivation come. 392 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,660 If someone spawns bodies on interstate highways, 393 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:43,290 must work with something that involves this type of displacement. 394 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:46,460 Truck driver, delivery man, postman 395 00:23:49,550 --> 00:23:51,300 A truck driver, for example, 396 00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:54,390 almost always has the cabin behind to sleep. 397 00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:56,390 You can hide someone there. 398 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:03,650 I have a certain connection with this, because my father was a truck driver. 399 00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:06,320 On the road, 400 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,780 we are alone, so anything can happen. 401 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,860 Can you kill someone and get away with it. 402 00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:15,870 It really does, because no one is looking. 403 00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:21,370 Road transport it was deregulated in 1980. 404 00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:24,250 We leave companies large loads, 405 00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:26,210 full of norms and rules� 406 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,300 for small businesses and without regulation. 407 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:36,300 Victims began to appear 408 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:39,520 between the end of 1984 and the beginning of 1985. 409 00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:43,690 Why didn't this start in the late 70s? 410 00:24:44,940 --> 00:24:46,770 It became more and more clearer to us 411 00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:50,360 that the person probably opened your own carrier 412 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,110 with little supervision. 413 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,360 With more freedom on the road, 414 00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:56,950 she could do things which was not possible before. 415 00:25:00,620 --> 00:25:05,420 So, with the profile of the killer, What were the next steps? 416 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:06,460 Mr Campbell 417 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,210 called and tried to talk with any police station 418 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,220 willing to listen to you, but without success. 419 00:25:13,050 --> 00:25:15,640 We needed share that. 420 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,800 We needed a big press conference. 421 00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:25,390 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 422 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,570 It is a privilege and an honor welcome you to our press conference. 423 00:25:29,650 --> 00:25:31,150 My name is William Bowers 424 00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:33,650 and I'm in the sociology class from Mr. Campbell. 425 00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:37,870 Mr. Campbell knew that someone needed to present the case, 426 00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:41,120 set the tone, and he chose me. 427 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,410 37 years ago, a man killed a young girl 428 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,460 and dumped the body on a highway. 429 00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:50,210 Five other women suffered the same fate. 430 00:25:50,290 --> 00:25:52,510 We are here to give a voice to victims, 431 00:25:52,590 --> 00:25:54,220 so that anyone who has information 432 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:57,180 that help to identify these women 433 00:25:57,260 --> 00:25:59,050 and solve cases manifest themselves. 434 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,020 A lot of people were watching, and that was the most beautiful thing. 435 00:26:04,930 --> 00:26:06,770 I thought he was shy. 436 00:26:06,850 --> 00:26:11,320 You know, just like me. But then I turned on the TV, and there he was. 437 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,150 I said, "That's my son. He is" 438 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,700 He was talking. I was impressed. 439 00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:21,580 After the press conference, We started receiving complaints. 440 00:26:25,790 --> 00:26:27,250 They started calling me. 441 00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:28,580 Oklahoma? 442 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:29,960 Al�. 443 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,340 They said, "I think that I saw the murderer." 444 00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:34,050 "I think I got away from him." 445 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:39,090 "I think my ex is the killer. We are fighting for custody of the children. 446 00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:41,800 Can you call quickly?" It was strange. 447 00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:42,890 And suddenly, 448 00:26:42,970 --> 00:26:47,810 the allegations reached the TBI and they became identifications. 449 00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:50,860 It was the first advance in more than 30 years. 450 00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:54,280 It's been more than three decades what researchers found 451 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:59,660 a woman killed in Campbell County. We finally know her identity. 452 00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:02,660 The Campbell County victim was identified as 453 00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:04,240 Tina Marie Farmer. 454 00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:08,540 The blanket that covered her body brought clues about the killer. 455 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:11,130 There was never any evidence tested for DNA. 456 00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:14,420 When they took the exam, found the match. 457 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:16,380 Through DNA, 458 00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:22,090 the TBI identified Jerry Leon Johns as a suspect in the death of Tina Farmer. 459 00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:26,770 He was a suspect in 1985, but the police I didn't have enough evidence. 460 00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:29,100 The evolution of DNA technology has made it possible 461 00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:30,730 find the match. 462 00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:35,070 And the police had his DNA because he was arrested. 463 00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:37,820 He was trapped because he tried to kill 464 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,240 another redhead, Linda Schacke. 465 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,160 I looked at him and said, "Are you going to kill me?" 466 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,160 "I go." "Why?" "Because you're a nuisance." 467 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,210 Jerry Johns was convicted in 1985. 468 00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:52,080 He died in jail in 2015. 469 00:27:52,170 --> 00:27:54,290 And, If it weren't for Johns' death 470 00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:55,710 VOICE BY JARED EFFLER 471 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,130 �in 2015, 472 00:27:57,210 --> 00:27:59,800 he would have been indicted for qualified homicide. 473 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,760 When we found out it was Jerry Johns, we now have a suspect. 474 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,760 We need to investigate Jerry Johns 475 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,890 and ask: If he was a murderer in series, did he kill anyone else? 476 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,520 ELIZABETHTON SCHOOL 477 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:26,370 All right, guys. Today we are going to have a very full day. 478 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:29,290 I know it's been a while. 479 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,750 Damn, I'm teaching too much. 480 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,050 - You're teaching too much - I need to stop. 481 00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:42,130 Stop teaching interesting things. 482 00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:43,630 Wow, North Korea. 483 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:47,970 So we added a suspect here on the board, 484 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:50,220 which I think everyone knows. 485 00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:52,230 What would they say if I said 486 00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:54,730 that, Thanks to your FOIA requests, 487 00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:58,150 we got material that no one has ever seen? 488 00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:59,900 I would believe it. 489 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,860 I hope you believe! 490 00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:04,320 - I want to know if they would be excited. - Yes. 491 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:06,820 Remember what we said from Mask of Sanity? 492 00:29:08,030 --> 00:29:11,540 Harvey Cleckley said that, if someone has an IQ above 100, 493 00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:16,130 It means you are smart enough to know that others would see it 494 00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:20,000 as problematic if they knew your real desires. 495 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,670 He feels that needs to hide it. 496 00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:27,760 Then the individual presents himself like a normal person, like you and me. 497 00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:31,060 And he does it erecting a facade 498 00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:33,640 that Cleckley called of "mask of sanity". 499 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:39,270 There are people who just know this individual 500 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,440 as an exemplary citizen, pleasant and friendly. 501 00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:47,110 Every now and then, Can anyone catch a glimpse, 502 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,240 even more If you know what to look for, 503 00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:51,160 who he really is. 504 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,830 And maybe the only people who saw your true face 505 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,290 were the victims. 506 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,590 What if I said that we have recordings 507 00:30:00,670 --> 00:30:03,550 of the trial of Linda and of each person 508 00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:05,470 who saw him in a different way? 509 00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:07,260 Put the tape on. 510 00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:09,090 Now. 511 00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:10,680 Do you want to hear? 512 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,970 - Now. - Yes, now. 513 00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:13,390 - Now? - Now! 514 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:16,690 I think it's better to wait until tomorrow. I don't want 515 00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:18,730 - No! - And if I go home, I trip, 516 00:30:18,810 --> 00:30:21,480 break your neck and can't hear? 517 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:23,690 - Good observation. - He's right. 518 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,570 Anything can happen. 519 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:29,780 I want to hear every word, each syllable. 520 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:36,500 I think the first recording It's from Jerry Johns' wife. 521 00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:39,000 At the time of prison, they were separated 522 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,040 and they would end up getting divorced. 523 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:42,960 She gave a statement. 524 00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:45,300 - Do you want to hear what she said? - Yes. 525 00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:48,760 Do you want the truth? 526 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:55,020 I was very young. Young, naive and in love. 527 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:58,770 So when I met Jerry, 528 00:30:58,850 --> 00:31:00,940 I didn't know he was my half-brother. 529 00:31:02,270 --> 00:31:04,440 I was 12, 13 years old. Something like that. 530 00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:08,650 When Jerry and I we started to relate, 531 00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:10,910 they decided to tell me. 532 00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:15,120 I said, "Look, I'm telling you that it's too late." 533 00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:19,420 I was scared during pregnancy and I spoke to the doctor. 534 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,670 He said, "Phyllis, pay attention. 535 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:25,210 Forget about incest and everything else. That has nothing to do with it. 536 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,800 Your baby is healthy." I was worried. 537 00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:30,880 He was very attentive. 538 00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:33,720 took care of us and supported the house. 539 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,100 He asked if I wanted to eat, go to the bathroom. 540 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:39,060 We talked about the children, of plans, 541 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:41,980 of the things we wanted to do like family. 542 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:47,190 Jerry wasn't a killer. He was very intelligent. 543 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,570 Once, the police came after us, 544 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:51,780 and asked: "Why who is running away?" 545 00:31:51,860 --> 00:31:54,410 And he: "Don't ask questions, and I will not lie." 546 00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:58,700 It was his most famous phrase. A� he stopped in front of the police station. 547 00:31:58,790 --> 00:32:01,170 Best place to hide. He wasn't stupid. 548 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,250 He was arrested when the police showed the photos. 549 00:32:06,340 --> 00:32:09,010 Damn, the girl looked a lot like me. 550 00:32:10,260 --> 00:32:12,760 I thought, "Will that he wanted to kill me?" 551 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:15,140 Nonsense that goes through your head. 552 00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:20,230 If you knew Jerry, you would know who was smart and intelligent. 553 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:23,100 He had no reason to hurt anyone. 554 00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:26,980 So he's a murderer? I never saw that in him. 555 00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:31,450 Comments? 556 00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:34,910 The first thought Did they look like her? 557 00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:39,620 She thought the girls were similar to her at that age. 558 00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:42,960 He wouldn't kill her. He was smart. You'd be caught right away, right? 559 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,500 If you kill someone you know, will be arrested. 560 00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:47,040 But who did he kill? 561 00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:50,710 white women, redheads and short girls. 562 00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:54,260 Maybe he killed women to remind him of her. 563 00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,100 - That's scary. - That's right. 564 00:32:57,180 --> 00:33:00,140 Thank you for noticing this. What do you want to comment? 565 00:33:00,220 --> 00:33:01,640 She said 566 00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:06,310 that his mother slept and got involved with other people. 567 00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:10,030 Did she know they were related? 568 00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:12,280 Only after they are involved. 569 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,280 She said he went to live there when I served in the Marines, right? 570 00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:18,330 Did you hear that? So 18, 19 years old. 571 00:33:18,910 --> 00:33:21,410 She said she was young two, three times. 572 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,000 Do you know how old she was? 573 00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:25,170 She shouldn't be 12 574 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:26,420 About 12 years. 575 00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:30,550 Wooten, your eyes widened. 576 00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:31,880 Do you want to comment something? 577 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,720 I don't know. I was surprised. 578 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,300 I thought she was older. 579 00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:37,890 She was 12 years old. So you were in sixth grade? 580 00:33:38,510 --> 00:33:40,970 But she said that he was not a murderer. 581 00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:44,520 He was a nice guy. Very generous. 582 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,310 I just wanted money to support the family. 583 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,860 She knew one side of him. 584 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:52,570 They want to hear someone Who knew the other side? 585 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:53,490 Yes. 586 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,410 This is David Davenport. 587 00:33:57,570 --> 00:34:01,240 It's the TBI agent who interrogated Jerry several times. 588 00:34:03,410 --> 00:34:05,250 - I want to hear it. - It's going to be angry. 589 00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:07,370 Do you think it will be angry? 590 00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:08,710 Will it be time? 591 00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:09,790 The time. 592 00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:11,250 It's going to be top. 593 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:15,300 Did he see a different side? 594 00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:16,430 Oh, see. 595 00:34:16,510 --> 00:34:17,840 - Can you handle it? - Yes. 596 00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:22,060 He had no soul. It was empty. 597 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,350 Most have a conscience. 598 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:26,600 Jerry Johns didn't have it. 599 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:27,940 INVESTIGATOR 600 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:32,020 We set up a timeline using his truck records. 601 00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:35,990 Some excerpts showed that he could 602 00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:40,780 be involved in more than one case, was giving a ride on the road, 603 00:34:41,410 --> 00:34:45,250 meeting women at parades or in strip clubs. 604 00:34:45,330 --> 00:34:46,750 NAKED WOMEN LIVE 605 00:34:47,330 --> 00:34:51,130 I think he acted when he appeared an easy opportunity 606 00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:54,840 at the moment where I felt that impulse. 607 00:34:56,260 --> 00:35:01,180 In short: There are a lot of people bad one out there, and he was one of them. 608 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,310 We can put any label on it: 609 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:11,060 sociopath, narcissist, psychopath. 610 00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:13,400 But basically he was bad. 611 00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:17,190 I had no respect for human life. 612 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,950 That's how I see Jerry Johns. 613 00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:27,160 There were enough circumstances, like him being a veteran truck driver 614 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:30,750 and the strangulation pattern, that led us to believe 615 00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:34,210 that he could be involved in more than one case. 616 00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:40,930 Right. We listen lots of important information, 617 00:35:41,010 --> 00:35:43,140 but I want to know the following: 618 00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:48,020 Jerry Johns was a generous guy, Who would give you the shirt off his own back? 619 00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:53,110 Or he was bad, without respect for human life? 620 00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:55,570 We looked to him and didn't see a soul. 621 00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:56,860 He was empty. 622 00:35:56,940 --> 00:35:58,150 It was bad. 623 00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,400 What is truth? 624 00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:02,410 - Both things. - How? 625 00:36:03,070 --> 00:36:03,990 Is he bad or not? 626 00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:06,700 It's like girls of secondary education. 627 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:12,000 What? Like this? Alright, I'll let you talk. 628 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,080 You will never have a girlfriend again, but say. 629 00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:16,250 They are friends when they are together, 630 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,210 but at home, they talk bad about each other. 631 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:22,380 They look like two different people. He had two faces. 632 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:26,140 I won't comment. I will leave people reflect on this. 633 00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:29,430 But seriously. We still have a minute. 634 00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:35,900 Maybe the only person who saw Jerry's true face, 635 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,650 was the surviving victim, Linda Schacke. 636 00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:43,950 She spent 40 years trying to forget all this. 637 00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:45,740 Doesn't like to talk with the press. 638 00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:48,700 Andrew, you know the camera that carries it everywhere? 639 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,330 I think it's time to actually use it. 640 00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:55,460 How about we send a video explaining exactly who we are? 641 00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:59,880 If we do it right, this could be the first class 642 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,930 listening to the story of a survivor of a serial killer. 643 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,890 No pressure. 644 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:10,060 Did you like today? 645 00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,980 I can't promise other days like that. 646 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:16,610 I'm not going to lie, it was awesome. 647 00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:17,650 Good job. 648 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,320 Angry. 649 00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:23,400 It was angry. 650 00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:25,990 - Did you like it? - It went really well. 651 00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:29,160 I hope you and Josie never have any problems. 652 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,290 When they know you compared women to serial killers, 653 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:34,750 I don't know if it will get another girlfriend. 654 00:37:34,830 --> 00:37:35,670 I will survive. 655 00:37:48,180 --> 00:37:49,390 Do you think we will win? 656 00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:51,180 - No. - Homecoming? 657 00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:52,100 No. 658 00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:55,100 - No chance? - Perhaps. 659 00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:57,350 Right. I'm going to prepare for the game. 660 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,270 - Beauty. I love you. - I love you. 661 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,070 - See you later. - Let's take more photos. 662 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:06,530 Departure Homecoming 2025 from Elizabethton School 663 00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:11,580 Introducing Hudson Smith, Andrew Barnett, Justice Waller� 664 00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:32,600 The young people we will present were nominated by their colleagues. 665 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,110 Introducing Andrew Barnett and Josie Reed. 666 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,030 I am officially called "weird" at school. 667 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,290 The other day, I spoke to someone, and the person asked my name. 668 00:38:57,370 --> 00:39:00,290 I responded, and she said: "You are the strange girl 669 00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:02,590 who they talk about." And I: "Thanks." 670 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:04,590 It's very annoying. 671 00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:08,300 - Do you want to fight? - Always. 672 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,390 I always wanted to welcome children. 673 00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:16,180 CRIMSON FOSTER MOTHERS 674 00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:18,270 And I always wanted to have children. 675 00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:23,520 Last year, they called us saying there were two teenagers. 676 00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:25,190 It was Crimson and her brother. 677 00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:31,030 Crimson just walked back and forth another for a good six months. 678 00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:34,870 Every day, whenever I was awake, she kept walking. 679 00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:38,540 If she was in the room, which was almost always, 680 00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:43,250 we listened the sound of her walking. 681 00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:47,130 And I had to put a rug on top, 682 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:49,010 otherwise she would open a hole. 683 00:39:49,090 --> 00:39:51,180 So she doesn't open a hole 684 00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:52,510 from walking so much. 685 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:55,010 Yeah, I walked a lot. 686 00:39:57,350 --> 00:40:00,690 I joined the system foster care for about two years. 687 00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:03,060 I love my adoptive mothers. 688 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,360 Now I'm 17 689 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,360 and I feel like I need to be an adult. 690 00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:12,280 I'm already looking for colleges. 691 00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:17,450 And it's difficult, because I arrived in the penultimate year of school. 692 00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:18,950 It's difficult to make friends. 693 00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:26,130 I couldn't let go when I was a kid. But high school teenagers 694 00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:29,590 they are so blasé and full of pose who are ashamed of everything. 695 00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:34,300 We can't do anything. Nor can we be cheerful and light. 696 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,180 I want to be able to speak from my cooking game. 697 00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:42,940 Nobody needs find it interesting. 698 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:46,150 - Just say "ahem" sometimes. - That's what I do. 699 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:52,450 I think I still I'm discovering myself. 700 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,050 He gets very nervous. He is very 701 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:19,430 Now that we know who it was, 702 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:21,640 I want us to understand why. 703 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,480 That's Jerry Johns' record. 704 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,690 Interesting. 705 00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:29,770 Escaped from federal custody. How did you do that, Jerry? 706 00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:30,730 Please say. 707 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,360 When I was 15 years old, stole a car. 708 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:35,610 BULLETIN 709 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,950 After that, he ran away from the army. 710 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,160 He was caught carrying a hidden weapon. 711 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:46,000 Committed arson. No It only started when he started killing. 712 00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:49,170 We have here the birth certificate. 713 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,250 Father's name? 714 00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:54,170 - It wasn't Johns. - It was Lily Cogdell. 715 00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,850 The registry office caught fire. 716 00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:03,980 So when his mother went issue the birth certificate, 717 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:07,440 She said "Johns", although he was a Cogdell. 718 00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:11,020 Do you know anyone else? with the surname Cogdell? 719 00:42:11,110 --> 00:42:14,150 - Phyllis. - His wife, Phyllis. 720 00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:16,700 She's his half-sister. 721 00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:20,530 Wife and half-sister. 722 00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:22,290 How crazy. 723 00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:25,040 But you can't know by birth certificate. 724 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,830 The most curious 725 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,000 is that he separated from his wife 726 00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:33,920 and, two weeks later, the first redhead victim was murdered. 727 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,770 Many serial killers have a remarkable traumatic event. 728 00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:52,190 Yes, most have a trigger 729 00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:55,740 that leads them to act and kill. 730 00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:57,700 It's a little curious 731 00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:59,070 that, after the separation, 732 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,530 six appeared victims in six months. 733 00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:15,960 Very good. So, Are you seeing the timeline? 734 00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:17,170 TIMELINE 735 00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:21,970 I want to see if you can put events in order. 736 00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:23,050 Are you okay? 737 00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:25,850 Each one will receive a material. 738 00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:27,230 It could be a photo, 739 00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:29,600 a subject newspaper or something else. 740 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:31,900 Wow, she looks beautiful in this photo. 741 00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:36,190 First, how about we start by August 1984? 742 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:38,820 Lisa's body was found. 743 00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:43,160 Lisa Nichols' body was Found in September 1984. 744 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,870 Who has Lisa's photo? 745 00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:46,700 - Me. - Then put it there. 746 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:48,080 September 1984. 747 00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:52,960 Okay, Lisa Nichols was the first victim found. 748 00:43:57,380 --> 00:44:01,930 Of the six victims redheads from that period, 749 00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:06,100 Lisa Nichols was the first found and the only one identified. 750 00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:09,310 I started investigating on the internet. 751 00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:12,440 I found an article from when Lisa was identified. 752 00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:17,730 She was found in September 1984. 753 00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:20,240 It was close to an exit. 754 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,530 OUTPUT 755 00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:23,530 A hitchhiker was found. 756 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,790 He was wearing a shirt. Nothing more. 757 00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:29,500 It was there a few days ago. 758 00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:34,380 No one recognized her right away. 759 00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:39,630 Until, finally, a girl who was with her went to the police 760 00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:42,300 and said he thought know who it was. 761 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:44,800 We are still listening to all messages. 762 00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:48,310 The woman's name was Lisa Nichols. 763 00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:53,440 They located her pimp, 764 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,320 and he said he saw her last once getting into a truck 765 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,570 at a stop in West Memphis, Arkansas. 766 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,990 "Identified as Victim of Murders Redheads", Lisa Nichols. 767 00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:13,920 The subtitle: "Tem Longo History of Prostitution". 768 00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:18,710 Why don't you say that she had three children? 769 00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:20,840 "It doesn't matter who it was. 770 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,340 We will seek justice." Why don't you say that? 771 00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:25,510 Society is not like that. 772 00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:28,430 Funny that the first thing mentioned 773 00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:29,850 She was a prostitute. 774 00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:32,980 It doesn't say that she had a father and a mother. 775 00:45:33,060 --> 00:45:35,100 He doesn't say he had children. 776 00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:38,440 What had a family that loved her. 777 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,530 That was exploited by other people. 778 00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:44,280 It just says she was a prostitute. 779 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,950 I think that served as an excuse not to investigate, 780 00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:52,080 because they saw her as inferior. 781 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,080 Doesn't that say a lot? 782 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,000 In the first lines, says she had the second biggest 783 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,420 history of Nashville prostitution. 784 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:02,130 When they read the article, That's what they think. 785 00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:05,220 She was just another prostitute, not a victim with a family 786 00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:07,340 - and important to someone. - How crazy. 787 00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:09,760 They talk as if it were routine. 788 00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:12,520 As if they were tired and didn't care anymore. 789 00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:18,230 When the press devalued these women, the world did the same. 790 00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:22,400 Maybe that's why these cases they stayed still for so long. 791 00:46:27,610 --> 00:46:28,990 DECEMBER 1984 JANUARY 1985 792 00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:30,450 FEBRUARY 1985 MARCH 1985 793 00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:31,910 APRIL 1985 794 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:37,540 Look at the line. 795 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:43,050 All this destruction happens over a period of approximately six months. 796 00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:50,890 And remember: Nothing of relevance happens until 2018. 797 00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:53,930 And, being honest, If this represents six months, 798 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,520 so the timeline part 799 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,270 in which there was progress I would have to cross the wall, 800 00:46:59,350 --> 00:47:01,730 the corridor and arrive It's the music room, right? 801 00:47:02,730 --> 00:47:03,820 It makes sense? 802 00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:09,700 I think we I should go out a little. 803 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:18,710 One, two, three, four, Five, six victims right there. 804 00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:22,250 And Tina Farmer was identified in 2018. 805 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:28,220 - How many years between 1985 and 2018? - Thirty-three. 806 00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:31,090 If each line represents six months, 807 00:47:31,180 --> 00:47:33,260 how many do we need to advance? 808 00:47:33,350 --> 00:47:34,220 Sixty-six. 809 00:47:34,310 --> 00:47:35,350 Start counting. 810 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,240 Can they see us? 811 00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:49,610 No 812 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,860 They look like ants, don't they? 813 00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:55,290 But, if we want to be precise, this is the real distance. 814 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:57,580 Check out this space. 815 00:47:57,660 --> 00:47:58,790 Can you see us? 816 00:47:59,290 --> 00:48:01,420 You can barely hear it! 817 00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:06,130 This is the distance between the murders and the classroom. 818 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,130 It's much further away of what it looked like in the room. 819 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:11,050 Isn't it? 820 00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:17,600 If you find a good clue or a suspect within 48 hours, 821 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,520 the chance to solve a homicide is between 60% and 80%. 822 00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:25,980 If it passes ten years, 823 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:28,230 the chance drops to less than 5%. 824 00:48:31,490 --> 00:48:33,240 A few things can change that. 825 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,240 First: Advancement in technology of DNA. Did this happen? 826 00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:37,290 - Yes. - It happened. 827 00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:41,250 But DNA began to evolve in the early 90s. 828 00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:44,290 They could have examined the material at that time, right? 829 00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:45,210 Yes. 830 00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:48,170 There was already a DNA test in the 90s, but no one did. 831 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,590 And there's another thing: The people they lose focus and forget. 832 00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:58,850 So what was the importance of students in January and May 2018? 833 00:48:59,890 --> 00:49:01,600 Draw attention to the cases? 834 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,060 Draw attention to the cases. 835 00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:07,190 The chance of something happening 836 00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:08,400 was almost nil. 837 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,110 And suddenly, there was progress. 838 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,080 The class of 2018 called pay close attention to the case. 839 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,290 Why the killer and the victim were not identified? 840 00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:26,040 New information about the Redhead Murders. 841 00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:29,460 A teacher at the Elizabethton school and your students can be close 842 00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:31,800 of a great discovery. 843 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,430 This put pressure on the authorities places to revisit the cases. 844 00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:40,600 At the same time, the genealogy genetics began to gain strength. 845 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,060 Suddenly, the pieces started to fall into place. 846 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:44,100 URGENT NEWS 847 00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:46,980 Urgent news: after more than three decades, 848 00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:50,530 a possibly linked victim to the Redhead Murders 849 00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:51,940 was identified. 850 00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:54,780 Investigators sent a DNA sample 851 00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:58,570 to an identification laboratory, and found a match. 852 00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:01,620 The victim is Elizabeth Lamotte, 17 years old. 853 00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:04,460 Elizabeth left from a juvenile detention center 854 00:50:04,540 --> 00:50:08,080 in Manchester, New Hampshire, on November 22, 1984. 855 00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:13,210 She was 17 years old, received authorization to go to a school game 856 00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:16,470 and never came back. 857 00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:21,430 The necropsy revealed that the cause of death was head trauma. 858 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:24,390 The body was found two to six weeks after the death. 859 00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:28,440 The police did not rule out strangulation. 860 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,570 - Strangulation? - Strangulation. 861 00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:33,570 - Strangulation. - �. 862 00:50:35,650 --> 00:50:38,450 One more victim redhead was identified. 863 00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:41,700 Her name was Tracy Walker. She disappeared in Indiana 864 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,710 and was found dead in the fence of 645km, in Campbell County. 865 00:50:45,790 --> 00:50:48,000 The body was found in a field. 866 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,380 SKULL, BONES FOUND 867 00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:53,000 She was called "Little Girl" because of their small physical size. 868 00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:56,550 They estimated that she had between 9 and 15 years old. 869 00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:59,050 It was very small when they found the bones. 870 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,180 Disappeared from a shopping mall in Lafayette, Indiana. 871 00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:10,610 They suspected that the cause of death was strangulation, based on the evidence 872 00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:13,690 found near the bones by Tracy Walker. 873 00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:18,400 A fifth woman possibly linked to the murders was identified. 874 00:51:18,490 --> 00:51:22,280 A specialized company in forensic genetic genealogy 875 00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:25,870 identified the remains as being by Michelle Inman of Nashville. 876 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,460 The name was Michelle Inman. 877 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:31,380 She disappeared in Nashville, Tennessee, 878 00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:35,090 and had a relationship with a known criminal. 879 00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:39,180 The federal prosecutor called it insane the plan to attack the dam. 880 00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:41,840 They intended to use a boat and diving equipment 881 00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:43,890 to loot downtown commerce 882 00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:46,680 when the dam broke and the river overflowed. 883 00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:51,100 In January, she attended 884 00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:54,400 to the audience. And by March, she was dead. 885 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,400 One more victim identified redhead. 886 00:51:58,950 --> 00:52:01,660 The woman was positively identified 887 00:52:01,740 --> 00:52:03,700 as Lorie Ann Mealer Pennell. 888 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,290 She got married young, right? 889 00:52:06,370 --> 00:52:08,450 It didn't seem to be Is everything ok at first? 890 00:52:08,540 --> 00:52:11,670 At first, yes, but then she went back to her old ways 891 00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:12,830 after abortion. 892 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,880 So a random event can destroy a person, right? 893 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,300 She was managing to change your life. 894 00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:22,340 And what happened after the baby was stillborn? 895 00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:23,590 She went back to drugs. 896 00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:28,100 In the autopsy report, it appears that she was strangled, 897 00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:30,560 probably with their own laces. 898 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,570 Some subjects definitely they put the blame on her. 899 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,650 Someone who deserved it, 900 00:52:38,730 --> 00:52:40,860 rather than a victim. 901 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:42,360 Like, "Oh, she asked." 902 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:45,950 But no. What if it was your mother? 903 00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:48,240 It makes you want to cry. 904 00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:50,830 - Yeah, I know. I'm like - I was thrilled. 905 00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:11,430 At first glance, It just seems like a class. 906 00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:15,190 But that's not something that you learn from a book. 907 00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:17,770 This is real life. 908 00:53:17,860 --> 00:53:18,980 They are real people. 909 00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:22,190 Lisa Nichols, for example, he had children. 910 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,410 And, in my head, she didn't choose that life. 911 00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:28,870 If it was the only way 912 00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:31,450 to support and raise my children, 913 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,660 I would do anything. 914 00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:38,340 In the first year in sociology, 915 00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:41,010 Mr. Campbell said: "Choose a person 916 00:53:41,090 --> 00:53:42,840 and comment on her ethics." 917 00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:44,720 Many chose me. 918 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,970 I remember someone said that I I worked so hard it was scary. 919 00:53:49,930 --> 00:53:54,270 Yeah, I didn't even know that was possible. I just dedicated myself a lot. 920 00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:56,100 And I loved studying the matter again. 921 00:53:56,190 --> 00:54:00,150 He gave us the option to follow the teaching material 922 00:54:00,230 --> 00:54:03,030 or change the world and impact lives. 923 00:54:04,070 --> 00:54:07,030 She wants to follow the material I want to change the world. 924 00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:11,950 They can't count your stories. They are no longer here. 925 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,620 But Linda is. 926 00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:17,460 That's why I and many other students 927 00:54:17,540 --> 00:54:19,000 we want to talk to her. 928 00:54:27,340 --> 00:54:29,890 Can you tell me your name and age? 929 00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:30,850 Do I need to say? 930 00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:34,520 I'm William McDuffie, I'm in second year 931 00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:37,230 and I'm 16 years old. 932 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,730 Let's see 933 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,400 We are making a video so Linda can meet the gang 934 00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:49,910 and gives us an idea of who Jerry Leon Johns really was. 935 00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:54,790 What do you think talking to Linda, in person or over the phone, 936 00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:58,790 can bring, not just to the class, But for you, in relation to these cases? 937 00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:00,210 would help me 938 00:55:02,090 --> 00:55:04,340 to see everything in a more realistic way, 939 00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:06,630 and not only like a story we heard. 940 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,590 What was the most impactful thing 941 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,100 that you learned in this class so far? 942 00:55:11,180 --> 00:55:15,390 Try to help others more, It's not just myself. 943 00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:20,400 We're all giving ours better and trying hard. 944 00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:24,070 I would like to tell her how far we've come. 945 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,490 I think a lot of the work What we did would make her proud. 946 00:55:29,570 --> 00:55:33,580 And I think she I would like to know how much 947 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,040 we care with her and the others. 948 00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:39,540 Right. Miss. Kodak, I know 949 00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:41,790 which is strange to see on TV. 950 00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:44,000 Everyone feels this way. 951 00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:46,170 I thought they were very sincere 952 00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:48,550 and gave great answers about everything. 953 00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:50,130 Do you know what no one said? 954 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:52,850 "I learned to capture a murderer." 955 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,310 What did you say? 956 00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:56,470 That we care. 957 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,230 We care about people. 958 00:55:58,310 --> 00:56:00,940 I learned to care about someone besides me. 959 00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:02,190 They need help. 960 00:56:02,770 --> 00:56:04,110 I loved that. 961 00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:07,530 Some people think that this class is about murderers, 962 00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:10,360 but deep down, It's about helping people 963 00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:12,990 and discover what kind of skills, 964 00:56:13,070 --> 00:56:15,660 sociology and other areas, use for this. 965 00:56:16,410 --> 00:56:20,830 Linda will receive the video and then will analyze the questions. 966 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,170 Do you understand that if we have the chance to submit the questions, 967 00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:26,300 they need to be well thought out. 968 00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:29,760 I'm curious to know How many people know about the case? 969 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,680 enough to recognize her. 970 00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:35,470 "What did you do next to be discharged from the hospital?" 971 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,430 Nobody knows until we talk to her. 972 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,480 Have you ever stopped to think about it? 973 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,440 We see this type of series. 974 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,570 She leaves the hospital, talk to the police. 975 00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:49,400 And then what do you do? Are you going to work the same night? 976 00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:51,900 A trauma how does this pass in one day, 977 00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:54,780 a week, a month? Will it pass? 978 00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:55,870 No. 979 00:56:56,370 --> 00:56:59,910 She should have been scared that someone would blame her. 980 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,080 Blaming the victim is a real thing. 981 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,540 They will get there and ask: "What kind of person is she? 982 00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:07,000 Look what she does. 983 00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:10,130 Look how she lives. Have you ever used drugs? 984 00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:12,380 I bet he hung out with drug addicts. 985 00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:14,680 She is divorced. Why did her husband leave her?" 986 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,010 They will mention these things. 987 00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:19,680 Does anyone want to relive all of this? 988 00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:22,230 I wonder 989 00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:25,190 what it must be like to go to court, 990 00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:26,980 see the guy sitting there 991 00:57:27,060 --> 00:57:31,570 and tell your story, knowing he tried to kill you 992 00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:34,740 and maybe he won't even be arrested when it's all over. 993 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,490 And still hear every bad thing 994 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:41,370 that you have already done, to portray yourself in the worst possible way. 995 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,080 And you're just a solo mother trying to survive. 996 00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:51,800 So that's what we'll do. I hope the video works. 997 00:57:52,550 --> 00:57:55,550 I hope Linda create affinity with you 998 00:57:55,630 --> 00:57:57,390 and feel at ease. 999 00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:59,010 You are incredible students. 1000 00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:00,600 Let's send the questions 1001 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,770 and see if she agrees talk to us. 1002 00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:05,600 Maybe send the answers in writing. I don't know. 1003 00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:10,650 But we need of good questions to send. 1004 00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:13,030 That's what we're going to do. 1005 00:58:13,110 --> 00:58:14,820 Guys, have a good weekend. 1006 00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:17,110 Let's have fun next week. 1007 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,250 I haven't played in a while. 1008 00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:32,960 Basically. 1009 00:58:33,050 --> 00:58:34,130 - Yes. - When I 1010 00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:39,140 For 40 years, these women remained without identity. 1011 00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:41,760 They were just mortal remains. 1012 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,440 But now you will be the first class 1013 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,020 to know the names of all victims. 1014 00:58:54,690 --> 00:59:00,070 I know it seems simple, but people Those who knew them have already passed away. 1015 00:59:01,580 --> 00:59:03,490 This movement was quick. I loved. 1016 00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:06,160 The researchers of cases have already died. 1017 00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:12,880 And the question which we still need to answer: 1018 00:59:14,260 --> 00:59:15,670 Was he a serial killer? 1019 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,680 Jerry killed one. Se we prove that he killed others, 1020 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,930 this would change the volume of resources intended for these cases. 1021 00:59:24,010 --> 00:59:24,850 That. 1022 00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:30,520 The truth is that this work It will still be very difficult. 1023 00:59:59,130 --> 01:00:01,470 It's an important connection. 1024 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:13,400 So� 1025 01:00:14,770 --> 01:00:18,030 The person we are going to interview 1026 01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:22,320 Is someone you they really wanted to hear it. 1027 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:23,450 I'm going there now. 1028 01:00:23,530 --> 01:00:26,120 Let's see how the camera is doing. 1029 01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:32,000 3:30 PM THURSDAY, MAY 22 1030 01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:38,170 Hi. 1031 01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,300 - Hi. - How are you? 1032 01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:41,880 Very good. 1033 01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:43,970 It's great to see you. 1034 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:46,510 So� 1035 01:00:48,430 --> 01:00:51,850 We hope that all this work help some families 1036 01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:55,310 and bring justice to other women. 1037 01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:58,820 So, Linda� 1038 01:01:05,660 --> 01:01:06,660 Thank you. 1039 01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:44,780 THANK YOU SPECIAL TO SHANE WATERS 1040 01:01:50,410 --> 01:01:52,410 Subtitles: Ana Paula Badar� 1041 01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:54,500 Creative Supervision Claudia Santi