1 00:00:04,430 --> 00:00:06,087 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:06,179 --> 00:00:07,575 sexually based offenses 3 00:00:07,659 --> 00:00:09,875 are considered especially heinous. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,448 In New York City, the dedicated detectives 5 00:00:12,533 --> 00:00:14,190 who investigate these vicious felonies 6 00:00:14,274 --> 00:00:15,670 are members of an elite squad 7 00:00:15,754 --> 00:00:17,498 known as the Special Victims Unit. 8 00:00:17,613 --> 00:00:19,180 These are their stories. 9 00:00:21,281 --> 00:00:24,505 Noah is thriving. 10 00:00:24,589 --> 00:00:27,505 My career is going pretty well. 11 00:00:29,724 --> 00:00:33,166 So why do I wake up at 4:00 a.m., 12 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:36,560 anxious and unhappy? 13 00:00:36,644 --> 00:00:38,562 When did you start feeling unhappy? 14 00:00:38,646 --> 00:00:40,347 About a year ago. 15 00:00:40,431 --> 00:00:43,480 You know, Noah and I were fine during the pandemic. 16 00:00:43,564 --> 00:00:49,356 But now, just don't have any, you know, closure. 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,358 It's so interesting, you talk about closure. 18 00:00:51,442 --> 00:00:53,534 What else happened in this past year? 19 00:00:53,618 --> 00:00:55,362 A lot of change. 20 00:00:55,446 --> 00:00:58,452 My chief, my squad. 21 00:00:58,536 --> 00:01:00,280 Anyone else? 22 00:01:00,364 --> 00:01:01,542 Mr. Barba? 23 00:01:01,626 --> 00:01:04,150 No, there's no closure with Barba. 24 00:01:06,457 --> 00:01:08,850 I'm also thinking about you and Elliot Stabler. 25 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:14,598 Delia, have you had the locks changed yet? 26 00:01:14,682 --> 00:01:17,819 The super said he would, and I still got the order 27 00:01:17,903 --> 00:01:19,299 of protection against Ty. 28 00:01:19,383 --> 00:01:21,301 He's violated the OOP before. 29 00:01:21,385 --> 00:01:22,780 The last time, he broke your wrist. 30 00:01:22,864 --> 00:01:25,348 Yeah, and I called the cops, and they arrested him, 31 00:01:25,432 --> 00:01:27,220 and ring around and ring around. 32 00:01:27,304 --> 00:01:29,744 Look, I just want you to be smart and safe. 33 00:01:29,828 --> 00:01:31,485 You want me to be safe? 34 00:01:31,569 --> 00:01:33,835 - Tell the judge to lock him up. - We're trying. 35 00:01:33,919 --> 00:01:36,142 You know, I can get Victim Services to change that lock. 36 00:01:36,226 --> 00:01:38,448 I got it. Promise. 37 00:01:38,532 --> 00:01:40,186 That's good, Delia. 38 00:01:41,579 --> 00:01:43,236 See you Thursday? 39 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:45,412 Right. Sure. 40 00:01:45,496 --> 00:01:48,937 Most of your coworkers are in stable relationships. 41 00:01:49,021 --> 00:01:50,765 Yeah, they are. 42 00:01:50,849 --> 00:01:55,161 And I am really happy for them. 43 00:01:55,245 --> 00:01:57,380 You're not wondering when your turn will come? 44 00:01:57,464 --> 00:01:58,773 Not really. 45 00:01:58,857 --> 00:02:00,815 You know, between Noah and work... 46 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:09,653 Okay, so you think that I have intimacy issues. 47 00:02:09,737 --> 00:02:12,308 Is that what you're hearing me say? 48 00:02:12,392 --> 00:02:16,269 Can we just stop the shrink talk 49 00:02:16,353 --> 00:02:18,575 and you just tell me what you think? 50 00:02:18,659 --> 00:02:20,795 What I actually think? 51 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:22,579 Yeah. 52 00:02:22,663 --> 00:02:25,408 I think that you and Elliott either 53 00:02:25,492 --> 00:02:30,457 need to see whether there's more there or move on. 54 00:02:32,543 --> 00:02:35,810 This idealized relationship is hanging over you. 55 00:02:35,894 --> 00:02:38,247 Prevents you from true intimacy, Olivia, 56 00:02:38,331 --> 00:02:41,511 either with him or with anyone else. 57 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:43,597 That's what I think. 58 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,217 Well, how long? 59 00:02:51,301 --> 00:02:52,914 I need that lock replaced, Marco. 60 00:02:52,998 --> 00:02:54,739 You're the super. That's your job. 61 00:02:57,045 --> 00:02:59,225 Okay, I'm sorry. 62 00:02:59,309 --> 00:03:01,009 Well, when you can. 63 00:03:01,093 --> 00:03:03,490 Thank you. 64 00:03:03,574 --> 00:03:05,274 Oh! 65 00:03:05,358 --> 00:03:07,842 Changing the locks on me. 66 00:03:07,926 --> 00:03:09,452 You're not supposed to be here, Ty. 67 00:03:09,536 --> 00:03:11,628 This is my apartment. You're my wife. 68 00:03:14,019 --> 00:03:15,806 Get that scared look off your face. 69 00:03:15,890 --> 00:03:17,678 There's nobody here to buy your little victim act. 70 00:03:17,762 --> 00:03:20,547 Ty, please, just... Just leave, okay? 71 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:23,681 I'm calling the cops. 72 00:03:26,336 --> 00:03:27,554 No, you're not. 73 00:03:34,779 --> 00:03:36,871 Come on, I shot that guy, like, six times in the head. 74 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:38,046 Die, man. 75 00:03:40,001 --> 00:03:42,050 Phoebe. 76 00:03:42,134 --> 00:03:44,313 Another 15 minutes? That's cool. 77 00:03:44,397 --> 00:03:47,621 Okay. I'll see you then. 78 00:03:47,705 --> 00:03:50,841 Okay, let's go. Head shot, baby. 79 00:04:01,153 --> 00:04:02,288 That's game, baby! 80 00:04:02,372 --> 00:04:03,332 You want to run it back? 81 00:04:03,416 --> 00:04:04,638 Nah. 82 00:04:04,722 --> 00:04:06,292 No, no, these guys have been waiting a while. 83 00:04:06,376 --> 00:04:08,555 Go ahead, guys. We're done. 84 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:10,470 How about a beer? 85 00:04:10,554 --> 00:04:12,820 Uh, rain check. I gotta meet up with Rollins. 86 00:04:12,904 --> 00:04:15,997 You guys are solid, huh? 87 00:04:16,081 --> 00:04:18,086 Let me ask you a question. 88 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:21,045 How did you know she was the one? 89 00:04:21,129 --> 00:04:23,439 I guess I knew for sure when she... 90 00:04:23,523 --> 00:04:25,049 When she was giving birth to Jesse. 91 00:04:25,133 --> 00:04:26,703 You know, there were complications, 92 00:04:26,787 --> 00:04:28,357 doctors rushing in, and I looked at her, 93 00:04:28,441 --> 00:04:30,881 she was... she was vulnerable. 94 00:04:30,965 --> 00:04:34,494 She was... she was so strong, you know, the way she fought. 95 00:04:34,578 --> 00:04:36,060 Yeah, that was... That was it for me. 96 00:04:36,144 --> 00:04:37,972 That's... that's when I knew. 97 00:04:41,149 --> 00:04:43,938 Something you said in our first session. 98 00:04:44,022 --> 00:04:46,419 You said you didn't think happiness 99 00:04:46,503 --> 00:04:48,377 was in the cards for you. 100 00:04:48,461 --> 00:04:49,813 Wow. I said that? 101 00:04:49,897 --> 00:04:51,598 Yeah, you were living a narrow life. 102 00:04:51,682 --> 00:04:54,383 You went to work, you came home to a dark apartment. 103 00:04:54,467 --> 00:04:56,603 Well, I didn't have a lot to celebrate then. 104 00:04:56,687 --> 00:04:58,953 There is now. 105 00:04:59,037 --> 00:05:01,434 You're a role model for survivors, 106 00:05:01,518 --> 00:05:03,000 for women officers. 107 00:05:03,084 --> 00:05:04,741 You have friends. 108 00:05:04,825 --> 00:05:06,656 You have a happy child. You have a happy life. 109 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:07,740 So... 110 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:11,966 Why am I feeling so sad? 111 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:14,751 Oh, Olivia. 112 00:05:14,835 --> 00:05:18,015 Everyone is feeling depressed now. 113 00:05:18,099 --> 00:05:23,630 You and I have talked a lot about what you want. 114 00:05:23,714 --> 00:05:25,411 What you need. 115 00:05:27,239 --> 00:05:29,940 I'd like you to start thinking about something else. 116 00:05:30,024 --> 00:05:31,377 And what's that? 117 00:05:33,245 --> 00:05:34,899 What you deserve. 118 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:39,904 You deserve happiness, Olivia Benson. 119 00:05:48,956 --> 00:05:51,005 Let's go. Come on, come on, come on. 120 00:05:52,743 --> 00:05:54,704 Ma'am! Ma'am! Back off! 121 00:05:54,788 --> 00:05:56,402 - Drop the bat! - Back off! 122 00:05:56,486 --> 00:05:58,404 - Drop the bat! Drop the bat! - Ma'am, drop the bat! 123 00:05:58,488 --> 00:05:59,666 Hey, hey, hey! 124 00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:01,450 Detective Rollins, SVU. What's going on? 125 00:06:01,534 --> 00:06:03,496 - What you see, she's crazy. - Okay. 126 00:06:03,580 --> 00:06:04,932 Drop the bat! 127 00:06:05,016 --> 00:06:06,760 Easy, easy, easy, all right? 128 00:06:06,844 --> 00:06:08,675 - What's your name? - What do you care? 129 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:09,937 - She's trying to help you! - Listen. 130 00:06:10,021 --> 00:06:12,589 Drop... drop the gun! 131 00:06:14,025 --> 00:06:16,422 See? Nobody's pointing anything. 132 00:06:16,506 --> 00:06:18,554 I just, I want to get you someplace safe. 133 00:06:18,638 --> 00:06:20,469 I just want to talk to you and see what's going on. 134 00:06:20,553 --> 00:06:22,515 I just want him to kill me, please. 135 00:06:22,599 --> 00:06:24,949 No. What's your name? 136 00:06:27,517 --> 00:06:29,173 I'm Delia. 137 00:06:29,257 --> 00:06:32,089 You don't need the bat, right? 138 00:06:32,173 --> 00:06:35,441 Can I have the bat maybe? You don't need that, right? 139 00:06:35,525 --> 00:06:37,138 Look, see, I got the bat. 140 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:39,662 - Okay. - Kill me. 141 00:06:39,746 --> 00:06:43,710 No, no, honey, nobody's gonna kill anyone, okay? 142 00:06:43,794 --> 00:06:44,885 I got you. 143 00:06:47,188 --> 00:06:48,188 It's over. 144 00:07:37,804 --> 00:07:38,852 - Hey, Rollins, are you okay? - Hey. 145 00:07:38,936 --> 00:07:40,462 - What happened? - I'm okay. 146 00:07:40,546 --> 00:07:41,855 It's lucky I came along when I did. 147 00:07:41,939 --> 00:07:44,597 This rookie had his gun drawn. There was a taser. 148 00:07:44,681 --> 00:07:45,728 How is she doing? What's her name? 149 00:07:45,812 --> 00:07:47,251 Delia. 150 00:07:47,335 --> 00:07:48,383 I talked to her social worker. 151 00:07:48,467 --> 00:07:50,472 She's got a DV file ten years thick, 152 00:07:50,556 --> 00:07:52,256 two failed marriages, a stint in rehab, 153 00:07:52,340 --> 00:07:54,650 and today, her third husband violated his OOP. 154 00:07:54,734 --> 00:07:56,173 She have any broken bones? Any bruising? 155 00:07:56,257 --> 00:07:57,523 No, nothing visible. 156 00:07:57,607 --> 00:08:00,134 He's a pro. 157 00:08:00,218 --> 00:08:02,136 She's used to the beatings. 158 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:04,747 My gut is, he sexually assaulted her, 159 00:08:04,831 --> 00:08:06,575 - put her over the edge. - Where's he now? 160 00:08:06,659 --> 00:08:09,143 - That's an automatic arrest. - Yeah. Ty Hackman. 161 00:08:09,227 --> 00:08:10,449 He works construction. 162 00:08:10,533 --> 00:08:11,841 Social worker thinks he's on a job site. 163 00:08:11,925 --> 00:08:13,277 - I'm just glad you're safe. - Mm. 164 00:08:13,361 --> 00:08:14,496 Detective Rollins. 165 00:08:14,580 --> 00:08:15,758 Nurses say you can talk to Delia now. 166 00:08:15,842 --> 00:08:17,281 - Oh. - You okay alone? 167 00:08:17,365 --> 00:08:18,369 I got families back in my office. 168 00:08:18,453 --> 00:08:19,501 I'm fine. Thanks. 169 00:08:19,585 --> 00:08:20,546 I'll stay with the girls, okay? 170 00:08:20,630 --> 00:08:22,196 - Okay. - Keep me posted. 171 00:08:25,765 --> 00:08:27,422 Delia. 172 00:08:27,506 --> 00:08:29,642 How are you feeling? 173 00:08:29,726 --> 00:08:32,296 Oh, thank you. 174 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:35,778 They gave me something, and so now I'm smoothed out. 175 00:08:35,862 --> 00:08:38,343 - Okay. - So you can arrest me now. 176 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:41,218 I'm not gonna do that. 177 00:08:41,302 --> 00:08:42,785 Why not? 178 00:08:42,869 --> 00:08:45,484 - I vandalized a cop car. - Is that why you did it? 179 00:08:45,568 --> 00:08:46,702 'Cause you wanted to be locked up? 180 00:08:46,786 --> 00:08:49,705 So then he can't get to me. 181 00:08:49,789 --> 00:08:52,491 I know you've been told this before, but... 182 00:08:54,533 --> 00:08:57,452 But you don't have to live like this. 183 00:08:57,536 --> 00:08:59,407 Oh, yeah? What do I have to do? 184 00:09:00,931 --> 00:09:03,371 This poor woman. So she was raped. 185 00:09:03,455 --> 00:09:05,591 Not for the first time, but she's never reported it 186 00:09:05,675 --> 00:09:06,809 'cause they were married, 187 00:09:06,893 --> 00:09:07,941 so she didn't think it was rape. 188 00:09:08,025 --> 00:09:09,290 - And she's still married? - Yeah. 189 00:09:09,374 --> 00:09:10,900 Divorced once and remarried 190 00:09:10,984 --> 00:09:12,598 five years ago for round two. 191 00:09:12,682 --> 00:09:14,513 How... how is this guy not locked up yet? 192 00:09:14,597 --> 00:09:15,949 He got lucky with the judges. 193 00:09:16,033 --> 00:09:17,864 Most of his charges got dismissed. 194 00:09:17,948 --> 00:09:20,344 She's not the most reliable witness. 195 00:09:20,428 --> 00:09:22,433 Late for court, recanting allegations. 196 00:09:22,517 --> 00:09:23,652 Right, well, that's par for the course 197 00:09:23,736 --> 00:09:25,349 for a long-term DV victim. 198 00:09:25,433 --> 00:09:27,003 But this is our case now, and if we can get him 199 00:09:27,087 --> 00:09:28,570 on the rape charge, he goes away. 200 00:09:28,654 --> 00:09:30,441 She agreed to a rape kit. 201 00:09:30,525 --> 00:09:32,748 He's gonna claim consensual. Any outcry witnesses? 202 00:09:32,832 --> 00:09:34,663 Me, at the hospital. 203 00:09:34,747 --> 00:09:38,537 We located Ty Hackman at a construction site in Chelsea. 204 00:09:38,621 --> 00:09:39,886 Great. Pick him up. 205 00:09:39,970 --> 00:09:41,627 And before he can react... 206 00:09:41,711 --> 00:09:43,626 Get him on our side. We got it. 207 00:09:47,499 --> 00:09:50,026 Ty Hackman? 208 00:09:50,110 --> 00:09:51,416 NYPD. 209 00:09:54,767 --> 00:09:57,556 My boss tipped me off. I should have skipped. 210 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,774 That would have been a problem. 211 00:09:58,858 --> 00:10:00,036 It's a good thing you didn't. 212 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,561 But you already know the drill. 213 00:10:02,645 --> 00:10:03,649 Yeah, I got family on the job, 214 00:10:03,733 --> 00:10:05,651 and technically, I know I'm in violation, 215 00:10:05,735 --> 00:10:07,391 but she asked me to come over. 216 00:10:07,475 --> 00:10:09,002 She was a mess. 217 00:10:09,086 --> 00:10:10,569 Yeah, well, no good deed, right? 218 00:10:10,653 --> 00:10:11,700 I hope you guys are getting overtime, 219 00:10:11,784 --> 00:10:13,615 because we know how this ends. 220 00:10:13,699 --> 00:10:15,748 I mean, the judge looks at me, working all day, looks at her. 221 00:10:15,832 --> 00:10:17,271 Right, sees crazy. 222 00:10:17,355 --> 00:10:19,055 Yeah, man, we parked around the corner. 223 00:10:19,139 --> 00:10:21,710 We didn't want to have to cuff you in front of your crew. 224 00:10:21,794 --> 00:10:23,317 - I appreciate that. - All right. 225 00:10:25,406 --> 00:10:27,542 - The judge let Hackman walk. - Yeah, on violating the OOP. 226 00:10:27,626 --> 00:10:28,674 You didn't go for the rape charge yet? 227 00:10:28,758 --> 00:10:29,675 No, because I didn't want to start 228 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:30,893 the 180-80 clock ticking 229 00:10:30,977 --> 00:10:32,242 till Delia's on board and consistent. 230 00:10:32,326 --> 00:10:34,331 Okay, so we'll go over her statement tomorrow. 231 00:10:34,415 --> 00:10:35,419 Oh. 232 00:10:35,503 --> 00:10:37,073 Yeah, hi, Delia. 233 00:10:37,157 --> 00:10:39,336 Hi. Sorry to call so late. 234 00:10:39,420 --> 00:10:41,904 Oh, that's... that's all right. 235 00:10:41,988 --> 00:10:43,384 Is everything okay? 236 00:10:43,468 --> 00:10:45,691 I got a question. 237 00:10:45,775 --> 00:10:47,997 I want to modify the order of protection. 238 00:10:48,081 --> 00:10:49,912 - How do I do that? - She wants to modify the OOP? 239 00:10:49,996 --> 00:10:51,697 That cannot be her decision. 240 00:10:51,781 --> 00:10:54,482 I'm not sure that that's such a great idea. 241 00:10:54,566 --> 00:10:55,744 Can you tell me why? 242 00:10:55,828 --> 00:10:57,050 Yeah, I just think it would make things 243 00:10:57,134 --> 00:10:59,400 - a little less tense. - Okay. 244 00:10:59,484 --> 00:11:01,358 Well, I'm with the ADA now, 245 00:11:01,442 --> 00:11:02,621 and he says that you'll... 246 00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:04,405 You'll have to go before a judge. 247 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:07,626 - You're still at work. - Yeah. 248 00:11:07,710 --> 00:11:08,931 Never mind. 249 00:11:09,015 --> 00:11:11,586 But Delia, I can come to you. We can talk. 250 00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:13,066 - I can... I can help you figure... - That's okay. 251 00:11:13,150 --> 00:11:16,417 It's okay, I, um... I actually gotta... I gotta go. 252 00:11:16,501 --> 00:11:18,637 Delia, I can... I can... 253 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:20,073 Who was she looking at? 254 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:21,640 You saw her looking up, right? 255 00:11:21,724 --> 00:11:23,554 He's not stupid enough to be in her apartment, is he? 256 00:11:23,638 --> 00:11:25,513 Call the local precinct. Now. 257 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:30,779 So when do you go to see the judge? 258 00:11:30,863 --> 00:11:31,951 Soon. 259 00:11:35,738 --> 00:11:37,786 So you can go now. 260 00:11:37,870 --> 00:11:39,396 I'm not going anywhere. 261 00:11:48,781 --> 00:11:51,670 She needed help to reboot her wi-fi. 262 00:11:51,754 --> 00:11:52,932 Yeah, you're still under arrest. 263 00:11:53,016 --> 00:11:54,890 - Let's go. - No good deed, right? 264 00:11:54,974 --> 00:11:57,066 - Captain Benson, SVU. - Yeah, we got your call. 265 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:58,938 Husband didn't resist. No sign of forced entry. 266 00:11:59,022 --> 00:12:00,896 Yeah, thank you for the quick response. 267 00:12:00,980 --> 00:12:03,769 - She's down there. - Hey, Delia? 268 00:12:03,853 --> 00:12:05,248 - He didn't hurt me. - Yeah. 269 00:12:05,332 --> 00:12:06,772 Did you call him? 270 00:12:06,856 --> 00:12:08,991 Well, it's just, my TV's not working, 271 00:12:09,075 --> 00:12:11,777 and my internet and everything... he does all that. 272 00:12:11,861 --> 00:12:14,475 Delia, I'm Captain Benson. 273 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,781 He didn't do anything wrong. 274 00:12:15,865 --> 00:12:18,174 It's not Ty's fault. 275 00:12:18,258 --> 00:12:19,698 Am I in trouble? 276 00:12:19,782 --> 00:12:21,090 No, you're not in any trouble. 277 00:12:21,174 --> 00:12:22,918 So, he shouldn't... He shouldn't be, either. 278 00:12:23,002 --> 00:12:26,095 - Um, can we... can we forget? - Delia, we can't. 279 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:27,836 - We can't. No. - Listen, listen. 280 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,752 Delia, how about you come with us down to the station, 281 00:12:30,836 --> 00:12:33,189 okay, and we can talk about what happens next. 282 00:12:33,273 --> 00:12:34,800 Do you have your apartment keys? 283 00:12:34,884 --> 00:12:36,758 - I think they're in my purse. - Okay. 284 00:12:36,842 --> 00:12:38,670 - Let's go inside and find them. - Okay. 285 00:12:41,978 --> 00:12:43,634 My client was just helping his wife. 286 00:12:43,718 --> 00:12:44,810 Stop. 287 00:12:44,894 --> 00:12:46,246 An order of protection doesn't have 288 00:12:46,330 --> 00:12:48,727 a carve out for rebooting wi-fi. 289 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:50,641 - I'm sorry. - So we go before the judge, 290 00:12:50,725 --> 00:12:52,034 and my client gets his other wrist slapped. 291 00:12:52,118 --> 00:12:53,644 Yeah, well, he's got bigger problems. 292 00:12:53,728 --> 00:12:55,168 You're looking at sexual assault charges. 293 00:12:55,252 --> 00:12:56,647 What? 294 00:12:56,731 --> 00:12:58,040 Come on. Jesus. 295 00:12:58,124 --> 00:12:59,825 Ty, let me talk. Based on what? 296 00:12:59,909 --> 00:13:01,957 - Delia wanted to have sex! - Come on. 297 00:13:02,041 --> 00:13:04,830 I know that we shouldn't, but love is crazy. 298 00:13:04,914 --> 00:13:06,788 That's not what she told our detective. 299 00:13:06,872 --> 00:13:08,877 You mean after she went nuts, smashing up cop cars? 300 00:13:08,961 --> 00:13:10,313 I saw the news. 301 00:13:10,397 --> 00:13:11,837 Yeah, if I was picked up for threatening cops, 302 00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:13,142 I'd try crying rape too. 303 00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:15,014 Any allegations are obviously fabricated. 304 00:13:15,098 --> 00:13:17,843 Look. 305 00:13:17,927 --> 00:13:20,889 I love D. But she is a mess. 306 00:13:20,973 --> 00:13:23,022 If I don't take care of her, she goes under. 307 00:13:25,108 --> 00:13:27,330 So he tried to explain the reboot over the phone, 308 00:13:27,414 --> 00:13:29,593 and then he just said it would be easier 309 00:13:29,677 --> 00:13:31,204 if he came over in person. 310 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:33,597 How did you end up calling us about modifying 311 00:13:33,681 --> 00:13:35,686 your order of protection? 312 00:13:35,770 --> 00:13:37,688 Okay, so we're on the ground floor, and we have mice, 313 00:13:37,772 --> 00:13:39,821 and he said that, with the OOP, it's just too hard 314 00:13:39,905 --> 00:13:41,867 for him to help me. 315 00:13:41,951 --> 00:13:44,608 Did he hurt or threaten you today? 316 00:13:44,692 --> 00:13:45,914 Well, when I asked him to leave, 317 00:13:45,998 --> 00:13:48,656 he kind of smushed my head into the wall. 318 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:52,051 Delia, if you need another apartment, 319 00:13:52,135 --> 00:13:54,140 we can call your social worker, 320 00:13:54,224 --> 00:13:55,881 and we can figure something out. 321 00:13:55,965 --> 00:13:58,318 But you have to get Ty out of your life, right? 322 00:13:58,402 --> 00:14:00,886 I know, I'm... I feel nervous all the time. 323 00:14:00,970 --> 00:14:04,019 I'm sick all the time. I can't even think straight. 324 00:14:04,103 --> 00:14:06,282 But he can, right? 325 00:14:06,366 --> 00:14:08,894 And he's smart enough not to use a weapon 326 00:14:08,978 --> 00:14:11,897 or anything that will get him real prison time. 327 00:14:11,981 --> 00:14:14,813 Except for the rape. 328 00:14:14,897 --> 00:14:18,164 If we charge him with that, he goes away. 329 00:14:18,248 --> 00:14:22,777 And you would finally get a chance to get on your feet, 330 00:14:22,861 --> 00:14:26,647 instead of him knocking you off-balance all the time. 331 00:14:29,433 --> 00:14:31,046 I asked them to hold Ty overnight. 332 00:14:31,130 --> 00:14:32,787 I'll arraign him on the OOP tomorrow. 333 00:14:32,871 --> 00:14:34,136 Well, what about the rape? 334 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:37,139 We have her accusation, his DNA on the rape kit. 335 00:14:37,223 --> 00:14:38,401 That's probable cause. 336 00:14:38,485 --> 00:14:39,707 Yeah, if she sticks to her story. 337 00:14:39,791 --> 00:14:40,839 One thing I learned from Barba is, 338 00:14:40,923 --> 00:14:42,101 you never get ahead of your victim. 339 00:14:42,185 --> 00:14:43,929 Barba? Please. Carisi, can we not go there? 340 00:14:44,013 --> 00:14:46,888 Oh, come on, are you still not talking to him? 341 00:14:46,972 --> 00:14:51,937 Carisi, he never should have defended Wheatley. 342 00:14:52,021 --> 00:14:53,808 Olivia, he was protecting you. 343 00:14:53,892 --> 00:14:54,983 Look, any other defense attorney 344 00:14:55,067 --> 00:14:56,332 would have annihilated on it. 345 00:14:56,416 --> 00:14:57,943 Well, I think he went after me pretty hard. 346 00:14:58,027 --> 00:15:00,308 Yeah, well, from what I saw, he was pulling his punches. 347 00:15:04,859 --> 00:15:05,951 You know, we both had a long day. 348 00:15:06,035 --> 00:15:08,167 Let's just... Let's just call it a night. 349 00:15:13,172 --> 00:15:15,874 On the charges of criminal contempt, 350 00:15:15,958 --> 00:15:18,311 intimidating a witness, and rape one, 351 00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:21,053 court will accept the defendant's plea of not guilty. 352 00:15:21,137 --> 00:15:22,837 People on bail. 353 00:15:22,921 --> 00:15:24,795 The defendant has a long, documented history 354 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:26,754 of assault against the victim, his wife. 355 00:15:26,838 --> 00:15:28,887 He's already violated numerous OOPs, 356 00:15:28,971 --> 00:15:31,150 and his behavior is escalating. The People request remand. 357 00:15:31,234 --> 00:15:32,760 Counselor? 358 00:15:32,844 --> 00:15:34,153 While we acknowledge Mr. Hackman's marriage 359 00:15:34,237 --> 00:15:36,982 is tumultuous, as we will show in court, 360 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:38,200 it takes two to tangle. 361 00:15:38,284 --> 00:15:40,420 Court should also be aware that Mrs. Hackman 362 00:15:40,504 --> 00:15:42,683 is financially dependent on her husband. 363 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:45,251 So they would both suffer if he can't work. 364 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:50,473 In view of that, I'll set bail at 50,000, cash or bond. 365 00:15:50,557 --> 00:15:53,041 The defendant will wear an ankle bracelet 366 00:15:53,125 --> 00:15:56,131 and may only go from his home to work. 367 00:15:56,215 --> 00:15:57,306 He got out? 368 00:15:57,390 --> 00:15:59,700 Yes, but he's being monitored, 369 00:15:59,784 --> 00:16:01,920 and if he violates, he goes straight to Riker's. 370 00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:04,400 Delia, this is also on you. 371 00:16:04,484 --> 00:16:07,186 Do not contact him in any way, do you understand that? 372 00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:08,404 Yeah, I do. 373 00:16:08,488 --> 00:16:09,971 I'll go ahead and take you home, 374 00:16:10,055 --> 00:16:13,798 but if Ty contacts you, you call 911 immediately. 375 00:16:15,495 --> 00:16:17,761 I really don't deserve all this. 376 00:16:17,845 --> 00:16:21,026 Delia, you deserve a life. 377 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:25,334 And you deserve to be free and not afraid. 378 00:16:25,418 --> 00:16:27,032 We're here to help you. 379 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:37,520 Home, sweet ratty Airbnb. 380 00:16:37,604 --> 00:16:39,087 Word of advice. 381 00:16:39,171 --> 00:16:41,046 Cut the jokes and stay away from Delia. 382 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:43,004 Yeah, don't call or text her, either. 383 00:16:43,088 --> 00:16:44,179 Don't worry. 384 00:16:44,263 --> 00:16:45,876 Your wife accuses you of rape, 385 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,748 it kind of takes the bloom off the rose. 386 00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:50,055 Thanks, guys. 387 00:16:50,139 --> 00:16:51,186 Delia's home. 388 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:53,058 Stopped and got her some groceries. 389 00:16:53,142 --> 00:16:55,364 Her refrigerator was empty. 390 00:16:55,448 --> 00:16:56,887 Does she have anybody who can stay with her? 391 00:16:56,971 --> 00:16:58,846 No, she's got an older daughter that's upstate, 392 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:00,804 but she doesn't want to call her. 393 00:17:00,888 --> 00:17:03,894 She's just... 394 00:17:03,978 --> 00:17:06,024 alone in the world. 395 00:17:07,547 --> 00:17:11,163 - These kinds of cases... - Make you feel so helpless. 396 00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:13,034 Yeah. 397 00:17:13,118 --> 00:17:14,815 Go home, Rollins. 398 00:17:17,514 --> 00:17:19,388 Carisi cooking? 399 00:17:19,472 --> 00:17:22,217 Yeah, he, um, he's expanded his repertoire 400 00:17:22,301 --> 00:17:24,219 to Middle Eastern. Don't tell his mother. 401 00:17:24,303 --> 00:17:25,916 You two are doing well, huh? 402 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,223 Mm-hmm. 403 00:17:28,307 --> 00:17:31,052 You and Stabler, you two worked on a case while I was away. 404 00:17:31,136 --> 00:17:32,401 Yeah. We're always a good team. 405 00:17:32,485 --> 00:17:33,485 Yeah. 406 00:17:36,881 --> 00:17:38,012 Yeah? 407 00:17:39,318 --> 00:17:41,932 What? 408 00:17:42,016 --> 00:17:45,284 A year ago, when I was talking to my mom about Carisi, 409 00:17:45,368 --> 00:17:49,114 she said, "Why don't you two just go get a hotel room 410 00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:51,333 and get it out of your system?" 411 00:17:51,417 --> 00:17:53,074 That's... 412 00:17:53,158 --> 00:17:54,554 Some advice. 413 00:17:54,638 --> 00:17:56,947 I told Delia to give me a call if she needed anything. 414 00:17:57,031 --> 00:17:59,124 Let me take this. Hello? 415 00:18:01,253 --> 00:18:03,215 We got here, the body was on the ground. 416 00:18:03,299 --> 00:18:05,521 - Homicide's upstairs. - What the hell happened? 417 00:18:05,605 --> 00:18:07,868 Yeah, I don't know. You gotta ask Homicide. 418 00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:13,225 Hey. Captain Benson, SVU. 419 00:18:13,309 --> 00:18:15,314 - What are we looking at? - Marital dispute. 420 00:18:15,398 --> 00:18:17,358 Wife stabbed him in the back with a kitchen knife. 421 00:18:21,143 --> 00:18:23,061 She wasn't even supposed to be here. 422 00:18:23,145 --> 00:18:25,103 I got my guys with her in the kitchen. 423 00:18:28,585 --> 00:18:31,286 - SVU. She's one of our cases. - Yes, ma'am. 424 00:18:31,370 --> 00:18:34,286 Delia, what... what happened? 425 00:18:37,246 --> 00:18:39,990 He took my phone charger, and I needed it, 426 00:18:40,074 --> 00:18:42,906 so I came over. 427 00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:44,256 And then he wouldn't let me leave. 428 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:45,866 And then... 429 00:18:50,694 --> 00:18:54,176 I... I just wanted to be free. 430 00:19:09,582 --> 00:19:11,021 Delia. 431 00:19:11,105 --> 00:19:13,589 You didn't eat anything. 432 00:19:13,673 --> 00:19:16,853 Oh, um, I'm not very hungry. 433 00:19:16,937 --> 00:19:18,464 How are you doing? 434 00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:19,769 Pretty good. 435 00:19:19,853 --> 00:19:21,380 Really, it's nice... It's nice and quiet here. 436 00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:22,772 I felt safe. 437 00:19:22,856 --> 00:19:24,861 Your lawyer's here. 438 00:19:24,945 --> 00:19:29,736 I had to go to Ty's 'cause he took my charger. 439 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:33,000 And I was at 1%. 440 00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:35,220 And what happened when you got there? 441 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:37,961 He dangled it in front of me, like... 442 00:19:38,045 --> 00:19:39,311 You know, like, Keep Away. 443 00:19:39,395 --> 00:19:40,834 I tried to grab it. 444 00:19:40,918 --> 00:19:45,055 And then he sat down, and he put it in his pants, 445 00:19:45,139 --> 00:19:47,406 and the just said, you know, "Get on your knees 446 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:48,882 if you want to get it." 447 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:51,888 What did you do? 448 00:19:51,972 --> 00:19:53,542 What he said. 449 00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:57,329 He... pulled my head 450 00:19:57,413 --> 00:20:00,375 into his lap, you know, yanking my hair. 451 00:20:00,459 --> 00:20:03,465 And I said... I said no. 452 00:20:03,549 --> 00:20:06,555 And he said, "You need to relax." 453 00:20:06,639 --> 00:20:11,647 So he went to make me a drink in the living room. 454 00:20:11,731 --> 00:20:13,301 And, um... 455 00:20:16,649 --> 00:20:18,915 I'm sorry, it's just getting really blurry after that. 456 00:20:18,999 --> 00:20:20,352 Delia, just stay with us. 457 00:20:20,436 --> 00:20:22,702 Just tell them what you told me. 458 00:20:22,786 --> 00:20:23,917 Okay. 459 00:20:25,789 --> 00:20:27,750 Okay. 460 00:20:27,834 --> 00:20:30,013 I was in the kitchen, and I just felt 461 00:20:30,097 --> 00:20:34,583 like I had to get out, like... Like I had to get past him. 462 00:20:34,667 --> 00:20:37,717 So I took the knife off the kitchen counter, 463 00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:41,938 and... and then he heard me. 464 00:20:42,022 --> 00:20:43,459 And... 465 00:20:47,506 --> 00:20:50,947 I just kind of stuck him to get past him. 466 00:20:51,031 --> 00:20:54,690 Delia, so the ME said that 467 00:20:54,774 --> 00:20:58,520 he was bleeding out for about 30 minutes. 468 00:20:58,604 --> 00:21:00,479 Okay. 469 00:21:00,563 --> 00:21:02,568 Why didn't you call 911? 470 00:21:02,652 --> 00:21:04,958 Well, I had to wait for my phone to charge. 471 00:21:06,873 --> 00:21:10,529 And then, when it charged up, I called Detective Rollins. 472 00:21:13,227 --> 00:21:14,493 I'm sorry. 473 00:21:14,577 --> 00:21:15,752 It's okay. 474 00:21:17,536 --> 00:21:19,628 Do you need a minute with your client, or...? 475 00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:20,977 We're good. 476 00:21:21,061 --> 00:21:22,718 You can just tell the DA we're ready to talk deal. 477 00:21:31,071 --> 00:21:33,338 Delia Hackman, married four times, 478 00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:36,341 twice to the husband she killed. 479 00:21:36,425 --> 00:21:39,082 In and out of rehab and asylums the past ten years, 480 00:21:39,166 --> 00:21:40,649 and she's got a record. 481 00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:42,738 Drunk and disorderlies, 482 00:21:42,822 --> 00:21:46,699 destroying police property, four arrests for DV. 483 00:21:46,783 --> 00:21:49,484 This is minor compared to the 16 times 484 00:21:49,568 --> 00:21:51,747 that the husband was arrested for assaulting her. 485 00:21:51,831 --> 00:21:55,534 Broken bones, concussions, punctured lung, 486 00:21:55,618 --> 00:21:58,624 fractured eye socket, all pled down to a misdemeanor 487 00:21:58,708 --> 00:22:02,018 or she recanted or she refused to press charges. 488 00:22:02,102 --> 00:22:04,586 Plus, he violated his OOPs multiple times. 489 00:22:04,670 --> 00:22:05,718 Yeah, but in this case, she is the one 490 00:22:05,802 --> 00:22:07,067 who initiated the contact. 491 00:22:07,151 --> 00:22:09,591 Because she needed her cell phone charger. 492 00:22:09,675 --> 00:22:11,550 So she stabbed him to death? 493 00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:13,508 With a kitchen knife in his kidney from behind. 494 00:22:13,592 --> 00:22:14,901 She waited a half-hour to call for help. 495 00:22:14,985 --> 00:22:16,642 The guy bled out. 496 00:22:16,726 --> 00:22:18,731 This is a tough case for self-defense. 497 00:22:18,815 --> 00:22:20,820 This woman was raped. She was beaten. 498 00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:24,563 And she was psychologically terrorized for over ten years. 499 00:22:24,647 --> 00:22:26,042 So, her lawyer will go 500 00:22:26,126 --> 00:22:27,957 for the battered woman syndrome defense. 501 00:22:28,041 --> 00:22:29,219 Her lawyer's looking for a deal. 502 00:22:29,303 --> 00:22:31,091 She'll take man one, single digits. 503 00:22:31,175 --> 00:22:35,791 This woman has been imprisoned her entire life. 504 00:22:35,875 --> 00:22:38,707 I was in an abusive marriage for 15 years. 505 00:22:38,791 --> 00:22:40,793 I got out. I didn't kill him. 506 00:22:42,621 --> 00:22:45,235 And I'm sorry. 507 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:49,065 But I have to assume that you had more resources. 508 00:22:49,149 --> 00:22:52,112 Mm, that's a story for another time. 509 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:54,462 So this is a violent felony. 510 00:22:54,546 --> 00:22:56,899 If we take this to trial and she gets convicted 511 00:22:56,983 --> 00:23:00,033 on murder two, that's 15 years to life. 512 00:23:00,117 --> 00:23:01,774 Don't leave that deal on the table for long. 513 00:23:01,858 --> 00:23:03,166 Listen. 514 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:05,908 Her public defender had 20 minutes for her, 515 00:23:05,992 --> 00:23:07,910 and if she had a competent lawyer, 516 00:23:07,994 --> 00:23:09,738 this might go a different way. 517 00:23:09,822 --> 00:23:13,699 Oh, Captain, nobody takes these DV cases. 518 00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:18,138 The women are either killed or they go to jail. 519 00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:20,880 Either way, they break your heart. 520 00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:26,494 How'd it go at the DA's office? 521 00:23:26,578 --> 00:23:30,106 Carisi is gonna wait 24 hours before he finalizes a deal. 522 00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:31,760 You gonna get her another lawyer? 523 00:23:31,844 --> 00:23:34,546 - Is that on us? - Not really. 524 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:36,896 But her public defender is in over her head. 525 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:39,115 I'm not gonna say murder's okay, 526 00:23:39,199 --> 00:23:40,639 but if anybody had it coming... 527 00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:46,732 Look, I called Rita Calhoun, Baird Ellis, even Barth. 528 00:23:46,816 --> 00:23:48,298 Nobody has time for this. 529 00:23:48,382 --> 00:23:50,994 You want to talk about the elephant in the room? 530 00:23:53,213 --> 00:23:55,610 There is someone you're leaving out. 531 00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:19,199 Hello, Liv. 532 00:24:19,283 --> 00:24:21,810 Hello. 533 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,595 You and I spent a lot of time in this place. 534 00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,553 It's a shame they're closing, huh? 535 00:24:25,637 --> 00:24:29,165 Everything comes to an end. 536 00:24:29,249 --> 00:24:32,168 I wanted to thank you for represented Delia. 537 00:24:32,252 --> 00:24:33,950 Rollins asked for the favor. 538 00:24:35,821 --> 00:24:37,304 How many lawyers you call first? 539 00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:38,737 Three. 540 00:24:40,957 --> 00:24:42,178 You think you can get an acquittal? 541 00:24:42,262 --> 00:24:44,311 I'll do my best. 542 00:24:44,395 --> 00:24:47,836 - Cabernet? - I can't stay. 543 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,229 It's possible to sit next to someone, have a drink, 544 00:24:49,313 --> 00:24:51,228 and not say a single word to each other. 545 00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:55,104 I miss you, Liv. 546 00:24:55,188 --> 00:24:57,106 I gotta go. 547 00:25:06,033 --> 00:25:08,634 The victim was stabbed in the lower left side of his back, 548 00:25:08,719 --> 00:25:10,080 and the blade pierced his kidney, 549 00:25:10,165 --> 00:25:11,648 nicked the renal vein. 550 00:25:11,849 --> 00:25:14,333 In my estimation, he bled out in about 20 minutes. 551 00:25:14,425 --> 00:25:17,257 Dr. Truman, based on the location and the angle 552 00:25:17,341 --> 00:25:19,477 of the victim's wound, is there any way 553 00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:22,305 that he was facing the defendant when he was stabbed? 554 00:25:22,389 --> 00:25:24,743 No, he was definitely facing away from his assailant. 555 00:25:24,827 --> 00:25:27,528 In other words, stabbed in the back. 556 00:25:27,612 --> 00:25:29,835 Thank you, Doctor. No more questions. 557 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:32,011 Dr. Truman, when you say bled out, 558 00:25:32,095 --> 00:25:34,622 are we talking about a geyser of blood? 559 00:25:34,706 --> 00:25:37,451 No, that's really more of a movie trope. 560 00:25:37,535 --> 00:25:38,931 The bleeding was internal. 561 00:25:39,015 --> 00:25:41,760 Is it possible, given the small amount of blood 562 00:25:41,844 --> 00:25:44,850 that Delia saw, that she didn't realize 563 00:25:44,934 --> 00:25:46,329 the deceased was in mortal danger? 564 00:25:46,413 --> 00:25:48,288 Objection. Calls for speculation. 565 00:25:48,372 --> 00:25:50,246 - Sustained. - That's all right. 566 00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:51,767 We all know it's possible. 567 00:25:53,464 --> 00:25:55,382 I asked the responding officers to secure the scene 568 00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:56,775 and isolate the suspect, Delia Hackman. 569 00:25:56,859 --> 00:25:58,864 And how did you ID her as a suspect? 570 00:25:58,948 --> 00:26:01,519 She was the only one in the apartment, and she confessed. 571 00:26:01,603 --> 00:26:03,477 Thank you. 572 00:26:03,561 --> 00:26:04,696 Can I ask you, Detective, 573 00:26:04,780 --> 00:26:06,698 to describe Mrs. Hackman's affect? 574 00:26:06,782 --> 00:26:09,614 - I'm not sure what you mean. - Was she contrite? 575 00:26:09,698 --> 00:26:11,572 Upset? Defensive? 576 00:26:11,656 --> 00:26:12,878 No, I wouldn't say that. 577 00:26:12,962 --> 00:26:15,576 Would you say she seemed more defeated? 578 00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:17,447 Objection. 579 00:26:17,531 --> 00:26:19,667 To anything specific or my cross-examination in general? 580 00:26:19,751 --> 00:26:21,843 Calls for speculation. That work for you? 581 00:26:21,927 --> 00:26:23,802 Sustained. Mr. Barba. 582 00:26:23,886 --> 00:26:26,544 I'll accommodate the prosecution, Your Honor. 583 00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:28,937 Detective, can you describe Mrs. Hackman's behavior? 584 00:26:29,021 --> 00:26:31,592 Was her head held high? Was she looking right at you? 585 00:26:31,676 --> 00:26:33,507 No, she was looking at the floor, 586 00:26:33,591 --> 00:26:34,900 you know, holding her head in her hands. 587 00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,943 Kind of distraught. Or, like you said, defeated. 588 00:26:46,822 --> 00:26:49,610 When I arrived, Homicide detectives were on the scene, 589 00:26:49,694 --> 00:26:52,657 and the body was in sit... 590 00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:54,093 And where was the defendant? 591 00:26:54,177 --> 00:26:58,445 Delia was in the kitchen, obviously in distress. 592 00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:01,404 What did you hear her say? 593 00:27:01,488 --> 00:27:03,406 According to multiple witnesses, she said, 594 00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:05,321 "I just wanted to be free." 595 00:27:05,405 --> 00:27:07,062 Did you hear her say that? 596 00:27:07,146 --> 00:27:09,630 Yes, but I took that to mean... 597 00:27:09,714 --> 00:27:12,024 Thank you. Captain, you had me at "yes," 598 00:27:12,108 --> 00:27:16,071 and we both know how much Mr. Barba abhors speculation. 599 00:27:16,155 --> 00:27:17,769 I know the ADA cut you off, 600 00:27:17,853 --> 00:27:19,074 but I'm sure the jury would like to hear the rest 601 00:27:19,158 --> 00:27:20,685 - of that thought, Captain. - Objection. 602 00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:22,034 Sustained. 603 00:27:26,165 --> 00:27:28,475 Captain Benson, we've heard a lot of testimony 604 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,390 about Ty Hackman's back being turned. 605 00:27:30,474 --> 00:27:32,697 In your experience, is it possible for a battered woman 606 00:27:32,781 --> 00:27:35,134 to feel threatened even if her abuser isn't facing her? 607 00:27:35,218 --> 00:27:37,571 Yes. 608 00:27:37,655 --> 00:27:40,879 A victim of DV can fear for her life 609 00:27:40,963 --> 00:27:44,665 even if her abuser is asleep or not in the same room. 610 00:27:44,749 --> 00:27:46,406 Thank you. 611 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:48,669 I know that, as an SVU captain, this is difficult for you, 612 00:27:48,753 --> 00:27:50,715 that you'd rather not testify 613 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,717 against any victim of domestic violence. 614 00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:54,414 Your Honor, I know Mr. Barba loves 615 00:27:54,498 --> 00:27:55,720 the sound of his own voice, but could you please 616 00:27:55,804 --> 00:27:57,983 ask him to stop testifying himself? 617 00:27:58,067 --> 00:28:01,595 - Walk it back, Mr. Barba. - I apologize. 618 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:03,553 I'm just passionate about defending my client, 619 00:28:03,637 --> 00:28:04,987 Your Honor. 620 00:28:07,903 --> 00:28:11,039 Was it difficult, Captain, testifying for Mr. Barba, 621 00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:13,128 when you were Carisi's witness? 622 00:28:13,212 --> 00:28:16,001 - I was testifying for Delia. - I know. 623 00:28:16,085 --> 00:28:17,698 You were going pretty hard at Barba. 624 00:28:17,782 --> 00:28:20,658 Yeah, well, how'd he even end up taking this case? 625 00:28:20,742 --> 00:28:22,442 I thought him and Benson weren't even speaking? 626 00:28:22,526 --> 00:28:25,140 Yeah, they're not. 627 00:28:25,224 --> 00:28:27,531 Technically, it was me who asked him. 628 00:28:30,534 --> 00:28:33,671 I should have told you. 629 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:35,803 Yeah. Yeah, you should have. 630 00:28:35,887 --> 00:28:37,497 I'm sorry. 631 00:28:39,978 --> 00:28:42,505 I went to get my phone charger, 632 00:28:42,589 --> 00:28:45,595 but Ty said I had to have sex with him first. 633 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:50,209 He went to the living room to make me a drink 634 00:28:50,293 --> 00:28:51,732 so I could relax. 635 00:28:51,816 --> 00:28:53,209 What happened then? 636 00:28:56,865 --> 00:29:02,221 Well, I felt trapped, like I had to get out. 637 00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:05,050 And I saw a knife on the kitchen counter, 638 00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:08,706 and I just, I grabbed it, just in case. 639 00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:12,100 And I tried to be really quiet going out. 640 00:29:12,184 --> 00:29:14,102 His back was... was towards me 641 00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:15,930 'cause he was pouring the drink. 642 00:29:16,014 --> 00:29:18,063 And I just heard him laugh, and I panicked. 643 00:29:18,147 --> 00:29:20,543 - Well, why is that? - 'Cause I knew his moods. 644 00:29:20,627 --> 00:29:22,238 I was used to him yelling a lot. 645 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,593 But it was that weird laugh... Like, that's when I knew 646 00:29:26,677 --> 00:29:28,769 things were gonna get really bad. 647 00:29:28,853 --> 00:29:31,903 I was really scared that if he turned around 648 00:29:31,987 --> 00:29:34,906 and saw me with that knife, that he was gonna kill me. 649 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:36,908 What happened next, Delia? 650 00:29:36,992 --> 00:29:39,606 Well, all I knew is that I was, like, 651 00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:42,827 waving my arms around, and the knife was in his back. 652 00:29:42,911 --> 00:29:44,785 And then he was on the floor. 653 00:29:44,869 --> 00:29:47,222 Did you try to revive him? Did you call for help? 654 00:29:47,306 --> 00:29:48,702 Well, I thought he would come to 655 00:29:48,786 --> 00:29:49,921 'cause there wasn't a lot of blood. 656 00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:51,005 Uh-huh. 657 00:29:52,877 --> 00:29:54,882 I had to get the phone charger out of his pants. 658 00:29:54,966 --> 00:29:57,189 Why didn't you just go? 659 00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:59,666 Well, I didn't want to leave him lying there. 660 00:30:01,059 --> 00:30:03,804 So I waited for my phone to charge up, 661 00:30:03,888 --> 00:30:06,804 and then I called Detective Rollins. 662 00:30:08,197 --> 00:30:09,767 Thank you. 663 00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:11,678 Nothing further. 664 00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:17,905 Mrs. Hackman, when you stabbed your husband, 665 00:30:17,989 --> 00:30:19,864 his back was to you. 666 00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:22,127 - Yes. - He wasn't moving towards you. 667 00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:24,564 He wasn't physically threatening you. 668 00:30:24,648 --> 00:30:26,218 Well, no, but he had earlier. 669 00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:28,742 But not in that moment, correct? 670 00:30:28,826 --> 00:30:30,178 Correct. 671 00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:31,963 Did he have a weapon in his hand? 672 00:30:32,047 --> 00:30:34,136 - No. - Did he say anything to you? 673 00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:36,924 No. 674 00:30:37,008 --> 00:30:39,884 I mean, he was laughing. 675 00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:41,189 He was laughing. Okay. 676 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:43,975 Couldn't you have just ran out the door, 677 00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:47,761 past him, called the neighbors for help? 678 00:30:47,845 --> 00:30:49,894 I didn't know the neighbors, 679 00:30:49,978 --> 00:30:52,635 and I wasn't supposed to be there. 680 00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:54,333 No, no, you weren't, Mrs. Hackman. 681 00:30:54,417 --> 00:30:55,900 And if you needed a phone charger, why didn't you just 682 00:30:55,984 --> 00:30:57,815 go to any bodega and buy one? 683 00:30:57,899 --> 00:30:58,990 Well, it was the middle of the night, 684 00:30:59,074 --> 00:31:00,687 - and I had no power in my phone. - Right. 685 00:31:00,771 --> 00:31:02,341 - No, I understand that, but... - I don't... 686 00:31:02,425 --> 00:31:06,258 Couldn't you have just stayed at home, 687 00:31:06,342 --> 00:31:09,998 safe in your locked apartment, and just waited till morning? 688 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,178 I guess. 689 00:31:13,262 --> 00:31:14,701 Wouldn't that have been a better choice 690 00:31:14,785 --> 00:31:16,181 than going over to your husband's place, alone, 691 00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:17,922 - in the middle of the night? - Objection. Badgering. 692 00:31:18,006 --> 00:31:19,706 Move it along, Mr. Carisi. 693 00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:21,577 Wouldn't it have been a much better choice for you to just 694 00:31:21,661 --> 00:31:22,883 simply walk out of the door instead of stabbing 695 00:31:22,967 --> 00:31:24,015 your husband to death. 696 00:31:24,099 --> 00:31:25,581 I thought he was gonna kill me! 697 00:31:25,665 --> 00:31:27,018 No, no, no, Mrs. Hackman, you just told us 698 00:31:27,102 --> 00:31:28,933 that he was not moving toward you. 699 00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:31,239 He did not have a weapon. 700 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:32,893 Did he say that he was gonna kill you? 701 00:31:32,977 --> 00:31:34,848 He's too smart for that. 702 00:31:37,155 --> 00:31:39,291 Okay, well, if you felt so threatened at the time, 703 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:41,162 why didn't you tell that to the police when they showed up? 704 00:31:41,246 --> 00:31:42,294 I don't know. I don't remember. 705 00:31:42,378 --> 00:31:43,904 Well, they do. 706 00:31:43,988 --> 00:31:46,907 They testified that the only thing that you said 707 00:31:46,991 --> 00:31:49,214 was that you wanted to be free. 708 00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:50,911 I'm sorry. I don't remember. 709 00:31:50,995 --> 00:31:51,956 - I don't remember. - Objection, Your Honor. 710 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,740 - Badgering. - Sustained. 711 00:31:53,824 --> 00:31:56,047 What did you mean by "you wanted to be free"? 712 00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:57,222 Free from your husband? 713 00:31:57,306 --> 00:31:58,788 I mean, isn't that what you said? 714 00:31:58,872 --> 00:32:01,701 I'm sorry, if you said I said that, then I said that. 715 00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:05,230 I'm sorry. 716 00:32:05,314 --> 00:32:07,928 My head's kind of hurting. 717 00:32:08,012 --> 00:32:09,234 She needs a recess. 718 00:32:09,318 --> 00:32:11,668 Mrs. Hackman, I just have one more question. 719 00:32:14,497 --> 00:32:16,803 - Okay? - Okay. 720 00:32:18,849 --> 00:32:21,724 When you realized that your husband was dead, 721 00:32:21,808 --> 00:32:23,422 how did that make you feel? 722 00:32:34,865 --> 00:32:36,040 I was... 723 00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:42,789 I was happy that he was dead and I was alive. 724 00:32:42,873 --> 00:32:44,701 I was... I was happy. 725 00:32:46,355 --> 00:32:48,273 I felt happy. 726 00:32:48,357 --> 00:32:50,101 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 727 00:32:50,185 --> 00:32:51,711 My head's really hurting. 728 00:33:00,282 --> 00:33:01,848 No further questions. 729 00:33:04,547 --> 00:33:05,986 We're in recess. 730 00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:07,814 The witness may step down. 731 00:33:07,898 --> 00:33:09,381 Okay. 732 00:33:09,465 --> 00:33:11,252 - Bailiff. - Wait. 733 00:33:11,336 --> 00:33:14,473 No, I've... I've got her. I've got her, Your Honor. 734 00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:16,431 Delia. Delia. 735 00:33:16,515 --> 00:33:17,911 - I'm sorry. - You did great. No. 736 00:33:17,995 --> 00:33:19,347 You did great. You did great. 737 00:33:19,431 --> 00:33:22,307 Oh! I got you. 738 00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:23,830 Okay. 739 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,752 How is Mrs. Hackman, Counselor? 740 00:33:37,837 --> 00:33:40,020 She was examined at Bellevue and released. 741 00:33:40,104 --> 00:33:42,327 She's ready to resume, Your Honor. 742 00:33:42,411 --> 00:33:44,285 People have no more questions. 743 00:33:44,369 --> 00:33:46,331 Great, then I'd like to call my next witness. 744 00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:48,768 Dr. Sopher? Testifying to what? 745 00:33:48,852 --> 00:33:51,336 Dr. Sopher performed a neurological exam. 746 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:53,729 She found my client suffers from undiagnosed brain trauma. 747 00:33:53,813 --> 00:33:55,688 Oh, please don't tell me you're saying 748 00:33:55,772 --> 00:33:56,906 she lacked mens rea. 749 00:33:56,990 --> 00:33:58,691 The jury decides her intent. 750 00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:00,258 This testimony can inform the verdict. 751 00:34:00,342 --> 00:34:02,564 Hold on, Counselor. What are you arguing? 752 00:34:02,648 --> 00:34:04,305 Self-defense? Battered woman syndrome? 753 00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:05,828 Not guilty due to mental defect? 754 00:34:05,912 --> 00:34:07,569 All of the above. 755 00:34:07,653 --> 00:34:08,918 Unless Mrs. Maxwell wants to do the right thing 756 00:34:09,002 --> 00:34:10,398 and drop these charges. 757 00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:12,444 That's not happening, Counselor. 758 00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:14,878 Then I'm allowing this witness. 759 00:34:18,795 --> 00:34:20,582 Dr. Sopher, as a neuroradiologist 760 00:34:20,666 --> 00:34:22,889 and a psychiatrist at Bellevue, you treated my client? 761 00:34:22,973 --> 00:34:24,064 Yes. 762 00:34:24,148 --> 00:34:26,588 Her MRI revealed an alarming number 763 00:34:26,672 --> 00:34:28,416 of tau protein deposits 764 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,723 throughout her brain, specifically along the cortex. 765 00:34:30,807 --> 00:34:32,507 What would that indicate, exactly? 766 00:34:32,591 --> 00:34:34,466 That she'd been suffering from chronic traumatic 767 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:37,686 encephalopathy, CTE, for some time. 768 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:39,906 This was further confirmed after a spinal tap 769 00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:42,822 revealed more tau proteins in her cerebral spinal fluid. 770 00:34:42,906 --> 00:34:45,955 Is this something that could result from minor concussions 771 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,697 - or a few bonks on the head? - No. 772 00:34:48,781 --> 00:34:51,700 This would only be the result of years of traumatic injuries. 773 00:34:51,784 --> 00:34:53,485 I see. 774 00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:55,443 Is it possible that someone suffering from this condition 775 00:34:55,527 --> 00:35:00,361 might be unable to account for or even remember their actions? 776 00:35:00,445 --> 00:35:02,450 Of course... that's probably one of the most significant 777 00:35:02,534 --> 00:35:03,451 of the symptoms. 778 00:35:07,017 --> 00:35:09,501 Dr. Sopher, I was under the impression 779 00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:14,549 that CTE could only be diagnosed by autopsy. 780 00:35:14,633 --> 00:35:17,509 As an official diagnosis, yes, but... 781 00:35:17,593 --> 00:35:21,817 For the record, Mrs. Hackman is still among the living. 782 00:35:21,901 --> 00:35:23,428 Yes, she is. 783 00:35:23,512 --> 00:35:25,601 And her husband is not. 784 00:35:27,211 --> 00:35:28,865 Nothing further. 785 00:35:31,215 --> 00:35:33,351 Delia, over the past ten years, 786 00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:34,961 how many times would you say you'd been struck 787 00:35:35,045 --> 00:35:36,441 in the head by your husband? 788 00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:39,400 Do you mean with a bat or with his fists 789 00:35:39,484 --> 00:35:42,795 or, like, my head slammed against the wall? 790 00:35:42,879 --> 00:35:45,102 Anytime he hit you in the head. 791 00:35:45,186 --> 00:35:48,928 Five or six times a year. 792 00:35:50,974 --> 00:35:52,631 He said I had a thick skull 'cause he only 793 00:35:52,715 --> 00:35:54,111 knocked me out a few times. 794 00:35:54,195 --> 00:35:57,331 Over 50 blows to the head. 795 00:35:57,415 --> 00:35:59,725 Did you receive medical treatment for these injuries? 796 00:35:59,809 --> 00:36:02,989 Well, he would take me to the ER if I had to get a bone set, 797 00:36:03,073 --> 00:36:06,558 or if... when I lost a tooth. 798 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:08,429 Otherwise, I would just take aspirin. 799 00:36:08,513 --> 00:36:09,909 Do you still have headaches? 800 00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:12,651 - Most days. - Problems with concentration? 801 00:36:12,735 --> 00:36:16,002 Oh, all the time. That drove Ty crazy. 802 00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:18,657 - He said I was stupid. - Dizziness? 803 00:36:18,741 --> 00:36:20,006 - Lack of balance? - Yes. 804 00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:21,921 So I got... I gotta be careful with that, 805 00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:25,098 'cause, like, sometimes, when I stop suddenly, 806 00:36:25,182 --> 00:36:26,926 my head thinks I'm still moving, 807 00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:29,624 so, like, I'll trip down subway stairs 808 00:36:29,708 --> 00:36:32,671 or basically, just, you know, clumsy. 809 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:34,847 What about mood swings or difficulty 810 00:36:34,931 --> 00:36:36,585 performing small tasks? 811 00:36:41,285 --> 00:36:43,418 So, this is how the eighth floor looks. 812 00:36:45,115 --> 00:36:46,946 What do you want, Mr. Barba? 813 00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:48,556 An apology from the people of New York 814 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,819 - for bringing this to trial. - Don't push it, Rafael. 815 00:36:50,903 --> 00:36:51,994 We're waving the white flag here. 816 00:36:52,078 --> 00:36:53,822 I'd love this to go to jury. 817 00:36:53,906 --> 00:36:56,608 They'll be back before you have time for a cup of coffee. 818 00:36:56,692 --> 00:36:59,045 Criminally negligent homicide. 819 00:36:59,129 --> 00:37:01,917 How about misdemeanor assault, 820 00:37:02,001 --> 00:37:05,182 with jail time and fines waived? 821 00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:06,919 I've already written my closing arguments. 822 00:37:09,574 --> 00:37:11,097 Have a seat, Mr. Barba. 823 00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:14,843 Hey, how did Ms. Maxwell take the loss? 824 00:37:14,927 --> 00:37:17,150 She handled it with grace. 825 00:37:17,234 --> 00:37:18,234 And you? 826 00:37:19,802 --> 00:37:21,502 I felt relieved. 827 00:37:21,586 --> 00:37:23,243 Mm. 828 00:37:23,327 --> 00:37:24,592 Don't quote me. 829 00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:25,593 You know, it's one of those things 830 00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:26,837 you hesitate to say out loud. 831 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:32,731 Like "I love you." 832 00:37:35,513 --> 00:37:37,123 I do, you know. 833 00:37:39,169 --> 00:37:40,692 Still nice to hear. 834 00:37:43,826 --> 00:37:45,265 I love you too. 835 00:38:01,713 --> 00:38:03,718 You showed up. 836 00:38:03,802 --> 00:38:06,109 Last call at Forlini's. 837 00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:10,548 Thank you for what you did for Delia. 838 00:38:11,854 --> 00:38:13,162 How is she? 839 00:38:13,246 --> 00:38:15,034 Her social worker is putting a team together... 840 00:38:15,118 --> 00:38:17,297 PT, therapy, cognitive rehab. 841 00:38:17,381 --> 00:38:21,258 And turns out that Ty had a settlement 842 00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:23,260 from a construction site accident, 843 00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:26,698 which is now hers, so all things considered, 844 00:38:26,782 --> 00:38:30,092 she's in a better place. 845 00:38:30,176 --> 00:38:31,961 Unlike the two of us. 846 00:38:35,312 --> 00:38:37,143 You're still holding onto this. 847 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:48,763 I asked you not to defend Wheatley. 848 00:38:48,847 --> 00:38:51,549 And now he's dead. 849 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,768 We've been over this. I was trying to protect you... 850 00:38:53,852 --> 00:38:56,771 I didn't ask you to. 851 00:38:56,855 --> 00:38:58,338 No. 852 00:38:58,422 --> 00:38:59,554 I guess you didn't. 853 00:39:01,251 --> 00:39:02,995 I hear you. 854 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,084 Thank you. 855 00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:07,869 What I don't get... 856 00:39:07,953 --> 00:39:09,915 Why you feel more anger at me 857 00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:12,567 than you ever let yourself feel toward Stabler. 858 00:39:15,874 --> 00:39:18,967 You don't know anything about my feelings for Elliot, 859 00:39:19,051 --> 00:39:20,839 and you don't know him. 860 00:39:20,923 --> 00:39:22,272 I got a glimpse. 861 00:39:24,013 --> 00:39:26,845 I've known him for 23 years, 862 00:39:26,929 --> 00:39:28,934 and he's always had my back. 863 00:39:29,018 --> 00:39:30,631 And you grew up without a father to protect you... 864 00:39:30,715 --> 00:39:32,111 - Please don't. Please don't. - I know how much that means. 865 00:39:32,195 --> 00:39:33,721 I grew up in a home, in a neighborhood 866 00:39:33,805 --> 00:39:35,027 where I got bullied. 867 00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:36,871 We're gonna see him through different prisms. 868 00:39:38,331 --> 00:39:40,162 This isn't about him. 869 00:39:40,246 --> 00:39:44,036 This is about you and me, and how you betrayed me. 870 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,909 I asked you not to defend Wheatley, and you did anyway. 871 00:39:47,993 --> 00:39:49,128 We're going around in circles. 872 00:39:49,212 --> 00:39:52,000 You're denying, you're deflecting. 873 00:39:52,084 --> 00:39:54,220 You defend him. 874 00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:56,048 It's all right. I get it. 875 00:39:56,132 --> 00:39:57,832 That's what you do 876 00:39:57,916 --> 00:40:00,226 when you love somebody unconditionally. 877 00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:04,056 Please don't tell me how I feel. 878 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:05,753 In this case, I can, because I do know what it means 879 00:40:05,837 --> 00:40:07,796 to love someone unconditionally. 880 00:40:12,801 --> 00:40:14,240 When you're ready to stop feeling betrayed by me, 881 00:40:14,324 --> 00:40:15,760 I'll be here. 882 00:40:17,283 --> 00:40:19,155 - Rafa. - What? 883 00:40:25,335 --> 00:40:27,209 I miss you too.