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(opera singing)

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- [Voiceover] Almost all
of the things that happened

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to one of us happened
to all of us.

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(intense metal music)

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- When I was young, my idea
of making it was you know,

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to find a husband, get
married and have kids

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and have a house.

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- It's a little bit
a combination of,
talent, charisma,

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knowing how to put up a show.

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Knowing how to handle your
instrument and being unique.

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- Music is energy.

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Whatever you give comes
back to you, in life,

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but also in music and on stage.

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It's true.

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- I've had to work for many
years just to not be seen

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as something that
should be naked by now.

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- I have sold my heart to
metal a very long time ago,

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and I will, I will
defend it forever.

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- I think it's as hard for
a man as it is for a woman

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to survive in this business.

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- Is this a metal show
or what, you know?

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- I never cared about
the opinions of others,

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as soon as I climb on a
stage I'm someone else.

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(singing opera in
foreign language)

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When I was a kid I
didn't think about music.

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I wanted to become a biologist.

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I didn't know exactly what
it was, but I loved nature

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and I loved animals.

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I learned all the
scientific names for animals

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and rescued animals and
cleaned out the environment

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from trash, and I
was a kid like that,

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and singing and performing
was far, far away from me,

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'cause I was super
shy, the teased kid.

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Just the thought of, you
know, being in the spotlight

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was back in the days really
something I didn't want.

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(laughter)

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(singing opera in
foreign language)

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(audience applause)

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It's very common here
in the Netherlands

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that the children learn
to play an instrument.

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And you all start
with the same flute,

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like a wooden little
flute, just to learn

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the basics of music and
learn how to read the notes.

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- I played, like the normal
flute, the blokfluit,

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and the querflöte
it's also the flute.

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Like this and this.

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- I changed from this
position to this position

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and did that about
seven or eight years.

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- But I actually studied
classical flute back then.

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I do nothing with it anymore.

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- I was actually
studying like the coolest

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metal instrument ever, the
clarinet when I was a kid.

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- I mean I grew up just
like singing along with

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like Disney movies and stuff,

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so I mean I could sing
like a princess I guess.

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- I had a old, crooked guitar
from my uncle, my uncle Harry,

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and I learned some
chords on the guitar,

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so I started writing songs.

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- Then I discovered my old,
the old guitar of my father,

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old acoustic guitar, and
put new strings on it

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and learned to play
some chords with him.

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And I think after I learned
to play the first three chords

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I tried to write a song.

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- In school I was always like
immediately in school choir,

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and the school bands,
and I did all those shows

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where you could win
prizes, and you know.

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So I was on stage when I
was like about 11 or 12

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and I loved it.

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- In the last year we always
have a school musical,

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and unfortunately only the
popular kids got the main,

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you know, bigger parts
in it, the bigger roles.

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And I was, I loved it
from the beginning,

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but I was not a popular kid,
so I just got, you know,

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put away in the
back a little bit.

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Nevertheless I loved it so much.

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And then high school
came and there was this

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high school musical that
they were going to do.

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So I signed up for that and
this one actually had auditions.

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- I auditioned to sing a
part for Marilyn Monroe, and

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there was another girl and she
was following acting classes.

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So she put up this great
act, couldn't really sing,

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but she was very entertaining
to watch, and I was standing

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there like a fridge, super
nervous singing this song.

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- I did the audition, and I
got one of the bigger roles

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as narrator in the story
of Joseph and the Amazing

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Technicolor Dreamcoat
from Andrew Lloyd Weber.

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- And she liked my voice so
much they wrote a extra part

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for the musical just so
that I could sing a song,

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and that was "All At Once"
from Whitney Houston.

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And I sang it horribly.

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I don't wanna ever
see that again.

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- I really enjoyed the singing,

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and when finally the
show came I was hooked.

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And after that I
joined the school band.

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And after we moved I found a
new band in the place where

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I lived back then and
that was After Forever.

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- But she sparked a flame in me.

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She told me, you should
get singing lessons.

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So at the age of 14 I got like
jazz, pop singing lessons.

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- I never thought of becoming
a professional singer

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until I visited
the Conservatory.

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That was during my
high school days.

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A lot of students make
trips to, you know,

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educations to see if
I would fit or not.

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- I didn't go to a conservatory,

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but I did have like six years
of private singing lessons.

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- Then, the Rock Academie came,

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which started in '99
here in the Netherlands.

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It was a whole new education
sort of like the conservatory

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but then for pop
and rock musicians

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and that was perfect for me.

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- I had my first records out.

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And after the third
record, people said,

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well, are you a trained singer?

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Did you study it?

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And I said no.

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Got on my nerves and I
thought, man, you know,

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I don't like when people
you know look down on me

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because I didn't study it.

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So I took vocal lessons.

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- I had 2 years of
singing lessons as a kid.

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- Yeah, I started
when I was eight,

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and I loved it and I did
it until I was about 15.

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- I was a student who really
wanted to learn a lot.

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Every time I learned
something I saw how much more

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there was to learn and
I didn't find a teacher

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on the Rock Academie that
could trigger me into wanting

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even more, I just ran into
their boundaries all the time.

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- I would get a lot of comments
from my teachers saying,

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I would quit that band of yours
and you know, go search for

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a choir because who wouldn't
like a nice soprano like you?

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- Then after a couple of
years the same people said,

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hey Doro, can't you sing
like you sang before?

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That's terrible!

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- It started really
dwindling you know,

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as I was starting to
turn into a young adult.

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- So I ended up with a
teacher on the Conservatory,

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with whom I've later continued
my studies in music theatre

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and opera after my
graduation from Rock Academie

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just because he could trigger me

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into doing new things,
different things.

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- When I was 14 I think
I started singing,

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like took lessons after school.

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Did that for 14 years I
think and I did everything

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from classical to jazz
to pop to anything.

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And I find out that the
technical side was, I like that,

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you know to develop technically.

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- I had very short training
and I actually quit because

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I didn't like this element
of it which really it wasn't

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all about teaching technique

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but it was also about
teaching aesthetics.

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And I always felt rather,

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I like to kind of decide
on my own aesthetics.

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- Yeah, then heavy metal
made its way into my life

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and changed everything.

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- I was mainly listening
to bands like Pantera

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and Machine Head.

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- Within Temptation
and After Forever.

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- After Forever.

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- Within Temptation,
After Forever.

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- Slayer, Metallica

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- Metallica.

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- Metallica.

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- Mystic Circle, Dimmu Borgir,

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Cradle of Filth, Old Mans Child.

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- Moonspell or Amorphis.

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- In Flames.

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- Some Nightwish.

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- Celestial Season.

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- Tristania.

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- System of a Down.

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- Saxon and Maiden and
Priest and Motorhead.

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- My Dying Bride.

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- Lacuna Coil.

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- Yeah, then Radiohead's
my favorite band ever.

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- But the guys were
listening to In Flames,

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and to bands like Dimmu Borgir.

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- Another important
one was Orphanage,

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it's also a band
from the Netherlands.

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- The Gathering

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- The Gathering

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- The Gathering

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- Yeah, the combination
of a powerful female voice

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with metal was for me in The
Gathering the first time.

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I would go this is
really, really cool.

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("On Most Surfaces"
by The Gathering)

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* The frost hits me in the eye

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* And wakes me up

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I also met them backstage.

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(giggling)

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I was one of those, you know,
really scared 16 year olds,

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like oh, I'm gonna meet
the band backstage.

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* And wakes me up

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That's so funny, I
can't even remember.

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Especially because I
became friends with Anneke,

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with the singer,
because, you know,

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the world is such a small place.

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* When the sun comes

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* I break it with my shadow

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* Which tells me where I go

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Yeah, there were
some weird bands

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I never really got to follow.

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I just bought some
CDs that looked cool,

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because you're 15
and you have no idea.

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Yeah, different perspective,
it's good to remember.

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- My first encounters with metal

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were with doom
metal for instance.

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And that's very emotional,
very melancholic,

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very dramatic, and that
really spoke to me.

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And when I figured out
that there were women

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who were involved in this
kind of music, I was like,

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okay, you're allowed
to do this as a woman.

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You know there is a possibility
to make heavy music.

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- I guess I became
interested in women,

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you know, singing metal as well.

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I listened to Theater of
Tragedy and Sins of Thy Beloved

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to figure out that was
not my type of singing

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since I've always
loved power voices.

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And Anneke Van Giersbergen
the singer of The Gathering

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has a more powerful voice.

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- And, but I also listened
to a lot of black music,

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like Aretha Franklin, and
Michael Jackson, And Diana Ross,

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Marvin Gaye, Mahalia Jackson,
my mother had a record of her.

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I love Ella Fitzgerald.

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I love that.

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And then I listened
to Barbra Streisand.

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And so what all these
guys have in common,

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is that they are
like, proper singers.

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Like they're very
technical skilled singers,

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they make like long notes
and they have lots of energy

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in their performance,
in their voice,

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and the power of their voice.

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I always loved that,
I always loved it.

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- All the, let's say the
instrumental parts of metal

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all bring every song
to a certain climax

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or it's just one big climax
(makes explosion noise)

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you know heavy stuff.

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- I love 'cause it has
like a very, it has a very

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like romantic atmosphere almost,

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because of the darkness in it.

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Not like romantic
candlelight dinner.

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But you know?

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Like, they have something
you want to be there.

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When they play, you get
sucked into the mood.

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- It allows for everything
like including emotions

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and sounds to be kind
of larger than life.

247
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- I like the extra drama
that is permitted in metal.

248
00:13:30,978 --> 00:13:35,115
- Not necessarily drama as
bombastic, symphonic something,

249
00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:40,120
but more like that
passion, that melancholy.

250
00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,091
- That also the
singers bring in power.

251
00:13:44,091 --> 00:13:48,261
Nice interpretation, powerful
feelings, and also power

252
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in their sound to
emphasize the power

253
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and the heaviness of the music.

254
00:13:53,633 --> 00:13:57,237
- So it's more that quality
of you know of the dramatic

255
00:13:57,237 --> 00:14:00,207
and the larger than life and
of the even the aggressive

256
00:14:00,207 --> 00:14:03,376
sometimes that really,
really spoke to me.

257
00:14:03,376 --> 00:14:06,046
- For me I just really loved
the aggressiveness of metal.

258
00:14:06,046 --> 00:14:10,617
It's sorta like I mean, if you
take the aggression of punk

259
00:14:10,617 --> 00:14:14,387
and then you make it like
a thousand times angrier

260
00:14:14,387 --> 00:14:16,789
and darker but then you're
also allowed to have like

261
00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:20,060
beautiful melody in there, you
know, like metal is so open

262
00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:23,230
in a way that you can kind
of do anything you want

263
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and it's acceptable and I can't
really think of many other

264
00:14:26,934 --> 00:14:29,669
genres of music where you
have that much freedom.

265
00:14:29,669 --> 00:14:32,172
- It's a bit more intricate
than the stuff you hear

266
00:14:32,172 --> 00:14:36,009
on the top 40 and so,
and that appealed to me.

267
00:14:36,009 --> 00:14:41,481
I could dive in, properly
dive into a song or in a band,

268
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you know, 'cause they all
have stories and they,

269
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you know, and they had
something to say also,

270
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about politics about themselves,
about their feelings,

271
00:14:50,657 --> 00:14:52,960
about social issues so, yeah.

272
00:14:54,461 --> 00:14:57,097
- The most important thing for
me has always been the music,

273
00:14:57,097 --> 00:15:01,134
and in Metal I can just
do what I like most.

274
00:15:01,134 --> 00:15:03,836
- When I started out, I didn't
really have any major goals

275
00:15:03,836 --> 00:15:05,105
in music, I was like,
well this is cool,

276
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let's just see how this goes.

277
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Then once I you know, got
signed to a label and started

278
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having my CD's being
recognized and people coming

279
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to the shows and knowing
the name of my band,

280
00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:18,851
it sort of started becoming,
okay I want everybody

281
00:15:18,851 --> 00:15:21,421
to know the name of my band
so that I can keep doing this

282
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and make more music.

283
00:15:22,822 --> 00:15:24,557
And I was satisfied with just
like, if I can just like work

284
00:15:24,557 --> 00:15:29,029
a job to be able to survive
and do my band that's fine.

285
00:15:29,029 --> 00:15:30,330
- This is what we like.

286
00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:33,033
We never make the
music just to become

287
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as big as Michael Jackson.

288
00:15:36,703 --> 00:15:39,106
- You can become a very
big metal artist and tour

289
00:15:39,106 --> 00:15:42,375
the world and tour it again,
and that's big enough for me.

290
00:15:42,375 --> 00:15:45,979
I don't need to become
the next Pink, or Madonna,

291
00:15:45,979 --> 00:15:48,281
or you know, Skunk Anansie.

292
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:51,684
- But now it's getting to
the point where, well okay,

293
00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:53,553
I don't have another job
so I need to do my band

294
00:15:53,553 --> 00:15:54,887
to be able to survive.

295
00:15:54,887 --> 00:15:58,158
And honestly, I think that my
goal or like the peak for me

296
00:15:58,158 --> 00:16:01,995
is just I wanna be able
to live a happy life

297
00:16:01,995 --> 00:16:06,066
doing something
that makes me happy.

298
00:16:06,066 --> 00:16:10,737
- Yeah, big like Pantera
or big like Metallica.

299
00:16:10,737 --> 00:16:12,172
Why not?

300
00:16:12,172 --> 00:16:14,907
I mean, that's the limits
I guess, within metal.

301
00:16:14,907 --> 00:16:16,443
But that's huge.

302
00:16:16,443 --> 00:16:17,510
That's fine.

303
00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:19,246
I wouldn't be unhappy
if I wouldn't,

304
00:16:19,246 --> 00:16:21,281
you know, reach that level.

305
00:16:21,281 --> 00:16:24,251
- I don't have to be rich.

306
00:16:24,251 --> 00:16:26,586
Like I said, I have my cats,
I have a roof over my head,

307
00:16:26,586 --> 00:16:28,121
I'm fine, but no, yeah.

308
00:16:28,121 --> 00:16:31,158
- Making music with Arch Enemy
makes me happy and playing

309
00:16:31,158 --> 00:16:34,427
shows and writing songs and
recording albums makes me happy.

310
00:16:34,427 --> 00:16:38,031
So, if I can live
comfortably doing that,

311
00:16:38,031 --> 00:16:41,101
then that's good enough for me.

312
00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:43,336
You know I don't need
to live in a big house

313
00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:46,106
or drive a fancy car
or have a car at all.

314
00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:50,143
You know, I don't need you
know, expensive clothing.

315
00:16:50,143 --> 00:16:53,080
Like I'm actually, I actually
hate materialistic things,

316
00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,614
I have no interest
in it whatsoever.

317
00:16:54,614 --> 00:16:57,217
- The music and making the
music you like is the biggest

318
00:16:57,217 --> 00:17:00,019
ambition to be privileged,
I'd be privileged,

319
00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:03,156
feel privileged to
be able to do that.

320
00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:07,594
That is more important
than becoming super famous.

321
00:17:07,594 --> 00:17:10,230
- We make this music
because we want to do it

322
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,065
or our heart tells us to
do it and we're good in it.

323
00:17:12,065 --> 00:17:14,167
("Amendatory" by ReVamp)

324
00:17:14,167 --> 00:17:18,238
* So mirror what
is it you see today

325
00:17:18,238 --> 00:17:20,840
* A reflection yes,
magically looking like mine *

326
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:25,512
So there's no reason to change
to a more commercial style.

327
00:17:25,512 --> 00:17:27,980
* The chameleon

328
00:17:27,980 --> 00:17:31,351
- Metal, is technical
and musical music.

329
00:17:32,419 --> 00:17:35,388
It's well written, you
have to be a good player

330
00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:38,258
to be playing in
a good metal band.

331
00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:40,293
If there's one thing I've seen
a lot of people that don't

332
00:17:40,293 --> 00:17:45,198
listen to metal regularly but
do like music or are musicians

333
00:17:45,198 --> 00:17:47,200
but not familiar with the genre,
what they've been noticing

334
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,470
is that very often you have
to be a very good musician

335
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:52,305
to do this well.

336
00:17:52,305 --> 00:17:55,775
You have to be technically
good and it's not just fast.

337
00:17:55,775 --> 00:17:56,943
And to write a good metal song

338
00:17:56,943 --> 00:17:59,946
you need to be a
good songwriter.

339
00:17:59,946 --> 00:18:02,549
It's not just
violence and noise.

340
00:18:06,153 --> 00:18:08,721
Some people just assume,
oh, metal is just noise.

341
00:18:08,721 --> 00:18:09,556
Really?

342
00:18:09,556 --> 00:18:10,157
Try to make it.

343
00:18:10,157 --> 00:18:11,358
(laughing)

344
00:18:11,358 --> 00:18:13,160
- Metal is the new opera.

345
00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,829
When opera came out most
people said it was horrible,

346
00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:20,467
this new technique of the
voice, it was terrible.

347
00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:25,238
And nowadays everybody loves
it, like oh yeah, beautiful.

348
00:18:25,238 --> 00:18:28,875
But I think the same is with
metal, if you don't know

349
00:18:28,875 --> 00:18:32,745
it really well and you just
hear the noise then of course

350
00:18:32,745 --> 00:18:36,616
people say oh it's
awful, it's no music,

351
00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:38,185
it's just some shit.

352
00:18:39,352 --> 00:18:43,390
But the people who do
know it and do like it

353
00:18:43,390 --> 00:18:47,794
they know it is technically
very advanced and really good.

354
00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:48,861
("Storm the Sorrow" by Epica)

355
00:18:48,861 --> 00:18:51,431
* No time should
ever go to waste

356
00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:54,100
* It's not that complicated

357
00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:58,705
* You're free to live
your life at ease

358
00:18:58,705 --> 00:19:02,642
* No more restraints

359
00:19:02,642 --> 00:19:07,514
- Classical music in general
correlates amazingly well with

360
00:19:07,514 --> 00:19:10,883
metal, especially because
of the intricacies

361
00:19:10,883 --> 00:19:14,187
and how melodic it is
and how it tells a story.

362
00:19:17,957 --> 00:19:20,159
The way it comes
back to sections.

363
00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:24,163
I think it's like, the
beginning of heavy metal.

364
00:19:29,135 --> 00:19:33,306
("Circles" by Anneke
Van Giersbergen)

365
00:19:34,407 --> 00:19:37,944
* You'll never give up hope

366
00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:43,883
* When all we do is
run around in circles *

367
00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,356
- I used to write
acoustic songs,

368
00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:52,692
little singer songwriting
kind of thing.

369
00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:57,530
Take my guitar with me
to parties and sing.

370
00:19:57,530 --> 00:19:59,899
People would always ask me to.

371
00:20:01,468 --> 00:20:04,170
There was this one particular
birthday party of a friend,

372
00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:06,406
and this guy came
to me and said hey,

373
00:20:06,406 --> 00:20:08,875
I know this metal band, I
heard you like metal as well,

374
00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:11,911
and they're looking for
this background singer.

375
00:20:11,911 --> 00:20:15,315
- We had a grunter, a
front man that was a guy,

376
00:20:15,315 --> 00:20:16,949
he later on he left the band.

377
00:20:16,949 --> 00:20:22,522
And when she showed up we
heard she was so good that,

378
00:20:22,522 --> 00:20:24,324
that wasn't just a
background singer.

379
00:20:24,324 --> 00:20:25,157
("Limbic System" by ReVamp)

380
00:20:25,157 --> 00:20:29,829
* I feel more pain

381
00:20:29,829 --> 00:20:33,900
- So just by saying I
like metal and, you know,

382
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,101
how would it be to sing in one,

383
00:20:35,101 --> 00:20:37,870
it kind of came
together like that.

384
00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:46,646
- I remember that I did
a performance in school

385
00:20:46,646 --> 00:20:49,782
and I sang one aria,
and that was it.

386
00:20:52,184 --> 00:20:55,755
The next day I had
two texts from numbers

387
00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:57,023
that I didn't know.

388
00:20:57,023 --> 00:20:59,359
(audience cheering
and applauding)

389
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,928
Thank you Anaheim!

390
00:21:01,928 --> 00:21:04,397
One was from a project in town,

391
00:21:05,164 --> 00:21:06,899
and one was from To Elysium.

392
00:21:06,899 --> 00:21:09,636
And they said our singer
quit, can you fill in for her?

393
00:21:09,636 --> 00:21:11,070
So it basically
took one performance

394
00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:14,341
of singing really high-pitched
and I was in those bands.

395
00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:16,443
("Sleepwalkers Dream" by Delain)

396
00:21:16,443 --> 00:21:18,345
* A world beyond your sleep

397
00:21:18,345 --> 00:21:20,246
* Beyond what's real

398
00:21:20,246 --> 00:21:23,215
* And in safety hidden sphere

399
00:21:23,215 --> 00:21:26,919
* Away from our daily reality

400
00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:32,058
* Truth lies out there

401
00:21:34,727 --> 00:21:38,631
- But I didn't particularly
search for a woman.

402
00:21:40,567 --> 00:21:43,436
If she would have had a good
voice, and she felt the music

403
00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:45,805
and if she would not have
been able to write the lyrics

404
00:21:45,805 --> 00:21:50,142
for it, we would not have
been a female fronted band.

405
00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:51,544
But we are and.

406
00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:54,981
- Some things have to
be the way they are.

407
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:58,050
(intense metal music)

408
00:22:08,695 --> 00:22:10,530
- If there's one thing
I'm really happy about

409
00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:12,632
is that no one had
cell phones yet

410
00:22:12,632 --> 00:22:15,234
during the first After
Forever show with me.

411
00:22:15,234 --> 00:22:16,669
(laughing)

412
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:19,939
I was listening to
death metal at the time

413
00:22:21,574 --> 00:22:25,111
and I had a t-shirt from Vader,
it's this Polish metal band,

414
00:22:25,111 --> 00:22:28,715
and it was slightly too small
for me, and I painted my hair

415
00:22:28,715 --> 00:22:31,851
black, pitch black, made me
look I look like I just died.

416
00:22:34,086 --> 00:22:36,489
I didn't know what to do with
makeup all that well yet,

417
00:22:36,489 --> 00:22:38,991
and I for sure didn't
know what to do on stage.

418
00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:43,095
I think that was still in
my background position that

419
00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:47,967
you know, we still had the
grunting singer as the main man.

420
00:22:47,967 --> 00:22:51,971
And so I would get up
every time I had to sing,

421
00:22:51,971 --> 00:22:54,006
and when I was done with
singing I would sit down

422
00:22:54,006 --> 00:22:58,445
on a speaker or something
and waited until I could,

423
00:22:58,445 --> 00:22:59,378
you know, get back on my feet.

424
00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:02,915
- My first show with Arch Enemy.

425
00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:05,384
So this is a big
deal for me right?

426
00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:06,719
This is my first
time I'm gonna be

427
00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:07,987
playing the songs that
I wrote for Arch Enemy

428
00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:11,924
and the old songs that
I've loved for years.

429
00:23:11,924 --> 00:23:14,861
So, our bus breaks down on
the way to that show, twice.

430
00:23:14,861 --> 00:23:16,796
The second time, the air
conditioning breaks down

431
00:23:16,796 --> 00:23:18,164
and we're in like Turkey,
we're going like through

432
00:23:18,164 --> 00:23:23,269
Turkey and like in Romania,
and so it's boiling hot.

433
00:23:23,269 --> 00:23:25,705
So we're just drenched in sweat,

434
00:23:25,705 --> 00:23:28,074
like we can't even
move, it's super hot.

435
00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:31,611
Plus the drive to get there
was 24 straight hours.

436
00:23:31,611 --> 00:23:34,647
So we're in this boiling
sauna for 24 hours.

437
00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:36,015
So then we get there, but
because the driver was crazy,

438
00:23:36,015 --> 00:23:40,887
we got there about six hours
late and so we got there

439
00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:44,557
like half an hour before
I had to get onstage.

440
00:23:44,557 --> 00:23:47,159
So I went from being like,
in this enclosed vehicle

441
00:23:47,159 --> 00:23:51,063
with no air, boiling hot,
for 24 hours straight

442
00:23:52,465 --> 00:23:54,901
to half an hour to get
on stage and do like,

443
00:23:54,901 --> 00:23:56,302
probably the most important
show of your life.

444
00:23:56,302 --> 00:24:00,807
- In my recollection there
was no show between that show

445
00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:04,210
and another show at
exactly the same place,

446
00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:07,013
maybe a year later.

447
00:24:07,013 --> 00:24:10,650
I changed from background
position, or at least oh my god

448
00:24:10,650 --> 00:24:13,786
this is scary position to
okay, now I'm the front lady

449
00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:17,790
I should wear something
nice and now you know.

450
00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,792
I still didn't know exactly
what to do of course,

451
00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:22,962
but I got my, I got
a dress from my mom.

452
00:24:24,531 --> 00:24:26,566
I was so proud of it,
she used to wear it.

453
00:24:26,566 --> 00:24:27,934
I wore it at that show.

454
00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:29,869
I didn't know it showed
through a little bit

455
00:24:29,869 --> 00:24:32,572
so you could see my underwear.

456
00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:35,041
But at that time I
didn't know fortunately,

457
00:24:35,041 --> 00:24:37,910
I just thought I looked really
pretty, and I had a little

458
00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:41,080
more, yeah, feeling
of security there,

459
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,217
and that was my first front
a metal band kind of thing.

460
00:24:47,053 --> 00:24:49,255
I already did a
lot of headbanging,

461
00:24:49,255 --> 00:24:52,625
which is funny 'cause now I
know a lot of people know me

462
00:24:52,625 --> 00:24:55,327
because of the windmill
stuff that I do with my head.

463
00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:56,563
I still love to do it.

464
00:24:56,563 --> 00:24:57,864
It's still part
of the whole metal

465
00:24:57,864 --> 00:24:59,932
vibe or something, but yeah.

466
00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:04,403
First show I absolutely was
way too shy for all of that.

467
00:25:04,403 --> 00:25:06,839
(laughing)

468
00:25:15,147 --> 00:25:17,116
Makeup is the best part.

469
00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:19,318
Trust me.

470
00:25:19,318 --> 00:25:23,189
Nothing is as fun as putting
on makeup before a show.

471
00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:25,892
It didn't grow on me very
natural what to wear,

472
00:25:25,892 --> 00:25:29,395
what kind of makeup
to use, how to use it.

473
00:25:29,395 --> 00:25:31,097
I really had to
grow into that role

474
00:25:31,097 --> 00:25:33,065
and really had to learn
from other people.

475
00:25:33,065 --> 00:25:35,401
- This goes for men and
women but I think this

476
00:25:35,401 --> 00:25:37,970
is a certain challenge
which is yeah,

477
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:42,842
which is a serious
challenge for women.

478
00:25:42,842 --> 00:25:46,746
I think women have to put a
lot more thought into okay,

479
00:25:46,746 --> 00:25:50,082
so what is my image going
to be, what is going to be

480
00:25:50,082 --> 00:25:53,485
the unspoken messages
behind the way that I dress,

481
00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:56,689
behind the way
that I do my face.

482
00:25:56,689 --> 00:25:59,458
- What do you want to
show with your clothes.

483
00:25:59,458 --> 00:26:01,093
The metal and the female side.

484
00:26:01,093 --> 00:26:05,865
The big gothic thing that's
been going on for so many years

485
00:26:05,865 --> 00:26:06,933
that I try to kind of
push away, like no,

486
00:26:06,933 --> 00:26:09,902
it's not gothic it's
metal, you know.

487
00:26:09,902 --> 00:26:12,171
What is the difference,
how do you visualize that.

488
00:26:12,171 --> 00:26:14,006
So I really learned there.

489
00:26:14,006 --> 00:26:17,376
I have to thank
Simone from Epica

490
00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:18,544
for that she really
helped me there.

491
00:26:18,544 --> 00:26:20,012
- You listen to the
music, you're listening

492
00:26:20,012 --> 00:26:22,949
to emotions,
thoughts, experiences.

493
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:28,020
And you feel with your, you're
like looking with your ears.

494
00:26:30,189 --> 00:26:34,293
But when you are on stage, I
find it important to dress up

495
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,030
yourself as much as the
stage with decoration,

496
00:26:38,030 --> 00:26:41,400
with backdrops,
with nice lighting.

497
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,669
It's part of the visual.

498
00:26:42,669 --> 00:26:45,004
- Yeah, but it is
always a balance.

499
00:26:45,004 --> 00:26:48,107
With some of the real hard
stuff and I'm standing there

500
00:26:48,107 --> 00:26:51,811
in my short dress or if I
wear a shorter skirt I'm like,

501
00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:56,582
does this fit, you know,
is this not a bit weird.

502
00:26:56,582 --> 00:27:00,286
At the same time I love,
actually love jeans

503
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:02,354
or good leather pants on stage.

504
00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:03,322
("Precibus" by ReVamp)

505
00:27:03,322 --> 00:27:07,393
* Leisurely we decline

506
00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:15,167
But if you do a ballad
or something more melodic

507
00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:16,736
it doesn't fit.

508
00:27:16,736 --> 00:27:18,570
So you need to find a balance
indeed between the metal

509
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:22,441
and the, you know, looking cool
part and the feminine more,

510
00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:25,344
yeah, rounder,
melodic nicer element.

511
00:27:28,414 --> 00:27:31,951
* Try to learn from yesterday

512
00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:34,954
I know that from other
colleagues in this genre,

513
00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:37,256
female colleagues,
that it's always been

514
00:27:37,256 --> 00:27:41,093
a bigger challenge for us
than for male colleagues.

515
00:27:41,093 --> 00:27:43,896
Male colleagues also
look for the good looks,

516
00:27:43,896 --> 00:27:46,899
but somehow it's
easier for them.

517
00:27:49,568 --> 00:27:52,839
- There are some men that do
have to take care to you know,

518
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:54,173
present themselves for stage

519
00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:55,708
and then there are some
women that don't care.

520
00:27:55,708 --> 00:27:58,077
So for example, Doyle,
he has a look that's very

521
00:27:58,077 --> 00:28:01,948
recognizable and iconic and
so, if he was to go on stage

522
00:28:01,948 --> 00:28:04,951
without that look, it
wouldn't be the same show

523
00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:07,954
for a lot of people and it
might seem silly because

524
00:28:07,954 --> 00:28:11,590
it's just like, hairstyle and
makeup and working out every

525
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:14,226
fuckin' day but it's
actually important

526
00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:16,128
and that's what
makes a good show.

527
00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:19,331
- Luckily our guys also
have all a good face,

528
00:28:19,331 --> 00:28:21,467
even though we've all aged.

529
00:28:22,869 --> 00:28:24,136
So we've become older

530
00:28:24,136 --> 00:28:26,672
and you present yourself
in a different way.

531
00:28:26,672 --> 00:28:29,876
You see things in a different
light, but I find it important

532
00:28:29,876 --> 00:28:33,445
to make the visual as
nice also as the music.

533
00:28:35,882 --> 00:28:37,516
- The objectification in general

534
00:28:37,516 --> 00:28:38,985
goes for men as well as women.

535
00:28:38,985 --> 00:28:43,089
I mean, in Dutch we say the
eye also wants something.

536
00:28:43,089 --> 00:28:46,492
So you can be a good
musician, but you know.

537
00:28:46,492 --> 00:28:49,028
- There is a certain amount
of bullshit that women

538
00:28:49,028 --> 00:28:52,098
do have to take just
because we're women.

539
00:28:52,098 --> 00:28:55,001
- I have found myself in
serious fights over things

540
00:28:55,001 --> 00:28:59,005
that might seem trivial
to other people you know,

541
00:28:59,005 --> 00:29:02,074
like the few inches that they
Photoshopped off my thighs.

542
00:29:02,074 --> 00:29:06,012
I would get infuriated
because this for me

543
00:29:06,012 --> 00:29:09,515
is playing along
with that circus.

544
00:29:09,515 --> 00:29:11,683
That circus that teaches
people that they should look

545
00:29:11,683 --> 00:29:13,119
a certain way and
not differently.

546
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,355
And I think will my
music sound any different

547
00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:17,890
if my thighs are.

548
00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:21,093
No.

549
00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:23,996
- I've never felt exceptional
because I'm a woman.

550
00:29:23,996 --> 00:29:27,934
I've never felt I'm getting
more privileges because of it.

551
00:29:27,934 --> 00:29:32,004
I've never used my sexualism
to get any benefits.

552
00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:38,310
And I actually find it very
annoying that a lot of people

553
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:42,448
try to emphasize the difference
between females in metal,

554
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,016
you know, towards men.

555
00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:47,153
Yeah sure there are differences
yeah, yeah, yeah, plenty.

556
00:29:47,153 --> 00:29:50,222
But by emphasizing it you'll
never get to this level

557
00:29:50,222 --> 00:29:54,961
and especially, I think ladies
do it just as much as men do.

558
00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:58,030
Hey, I've been in a
metal band for 14 years.

559
00:29:58,030 --> 00:30:02,134
Doro is celebrating
her 35th anniversary.

560
00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:04,303
Women in metal is
not a new concept.

561
00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:09,441
And we learned how to be
ourselves in a group of men,

562
00:30:09,441 --> 00:30:11,978
like maybe girls do in the army,

563
00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:17,316
or other types of work where
there are more men than women.

564
00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:18,717
- The fact of the matter
is, you're still female

565
00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:21,453
to the rest of the world,
you know, and that means that

566
00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:24,390
you're a target for certain
things to the rest of the world.

567
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:27,759
Even if you're wearing a snow
suit, not showing any skin

568
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:29,161
with no makeup, shave your head,

569
00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:30,796
you're still gonna be told
to take off your clothes

570
00:30:30,796 --> 00:30:32,298
because you're a girl.

571
00:30:32,298 --> 00:30:35,167
- I do say that if you are one
to know, to you know follow

572
00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:39,305
whatever your higher manager
or your AandR person or your,

573
00:30:43,042 --> 00:30:45,111
and once again, this is not
name-calling this is just

574
00:30:45,111 --> 00:30:49,481
from experience from working
with a lot of different people.

575
00:30:49,481 --> 00:30:52,151
If you're going to do what
those people want you to do

576
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:56,288
you'll probably be wearing
push-up bras your entire life.

577
00:30:59,058 --> 00:31:01,093
And not much more might I add.

578
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:02,328
- My roommate is
a great example.

579
00:31:02,328 --> 00:31:05,965
Justine from Blackguard,
okay, she seriously

580
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:08,968
works harder than most
men I know in the scene.

581
00:31:08,968 --> 00:31:14,140
She plays drums better
than, I think 99%

582
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:16,142
of any drummer I've
seen in any band.

583
00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:19,111
She loads all her own stuff,
she takes apart her kit,

584
00:31:19,111 --> 00:31:21,847
she puts it back together,
she helps the other bands

585
00:31:21,847 --> 00:31:23,349
put their kits together.

586
00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:26,018
But then she'll still get,
oh are you the merch girl?

587
00:31:26,018 --> 00:31:29,255
Or oh, who's girlfriend are you?

588
00:31:29,255 --> 00:31:32,158
- There was this cover some
time ago of a magazine,

589
00:31:32,158 --> 00:31:35,427
a French magazine I don't
know what exactly it was

590
00:31:35,427 --> 00:31:39,565
but there were singers of,
female singers of metal bands

591
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:46,105
on the cover and
they were together

592
00:31:46,105 --> 00:31:49,541
and they were painted
as The Last Supper.

593
00:31:52,078 --> 00:31:55,314
But we all got accessories.

594
00:31:55,314 --> 00:31:59,218
And you know some of us
were undressed painted

595
00:31:59,218 --> 00:32:02,021
and you know, we got
pasties on our boobs.

596
00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:05,958
I was, I had the pleasure
of being completely naked

597
00:32:05,958 --> 00:32:09,962
with a pile of cocaine
in front of me.

598
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:15,968
And there were a lot of girls
who were outraged about that.

599
00:32:17,003 --> 00:32:20,939
And there were some
girls who said,

600
00:32:22,174 --> 00:32:25,377
you girls don't have
a sense of humor.

601
00:32:26,712 --> 00:32:28,814
And these girls who said, you
don't have a sense of humor

602
00:32:28,814 --> 00:32:32,451
these are the girls that also
made the statements like,

603
00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:36,388
I'm just one of the guys,
and it's kind of like

604
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:39,025
don't make an issue out
of this gender thing.

605
00:32:39,025 --> 00:32:42,694
And I was really
stuck in between.

606
00:32:42,694 --> 00:32:47,066
Because I do have a sense of
humor, then again I would have

607
00:32:47,066 --> 00:32:49,035
appreciated the guy asking
whether he could paint me

608
00:32:49,035 --> 00:32:51,870
naked in front of a
mountain of cocaine

609
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:53,705
to be on the cover
of a magazine.

610
00:32:53,705 --> 00:32:55,141
You know?

611
00:32:55,141 --> 00:32:57,909
- In the 80s, it was like
you had to be careful

612
00:32:57,909 --> 00:33:01,413
about not showing too much skin.

613
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:04,850
Otherwise you would
be in that corner,

614
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:07,453
like the bimbo kind of stuff.

615
00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:10,489
It was my first show on
the Judas Priest tour

616
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:14,060
back in the day, and I had
brand new stage clothes on,

617
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:15,194
and they were done
like especially for me,

618
00:33:15,194 --> 00:33:18,597
like really nice
and tight and stuff.

619
00:33:18,597 --> 00:33:22,701
So I had a beautiful top on
and then I was headbanging

620
00:33:22,701 --> 00:33:24,070
and jumping up and down

621
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:27,573
and then I was pushing
my fist in the air.

622
00:33:29,241 --> 00:33:31,009
Then my bass player, he came up,

623
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:32,878
he said, Doro look at yourself.

624
00:33:32,878 --> 00:33:34,213
And then I said what?

625
00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:37,316
And then I look down
and my top, it broke.

626
00:33:37,316 --> 00:33:39,017
It was just like just like yeah!

627
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:41,287
And I thought, oh my god.

628
00:33:41,287 --> 00:33:44,356
It was just like a couple
of seconds and then I turned

629
00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:47,126
around in maybe 10 seconds
and you know I just like

630
00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,961
I tried to you know
put it back together.

631
00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:53,099
I came to America,
my first trip there,

632
00:33:53,099 --> 00:33:55,501
I walked into a record
store and they said,

633
00:33:55,501 --> 00:33:58,003
oh can you sign
that nice poster?

634
00:33:58,003 --> 00:33:59,738
And I said sure, sure.

635
00:33:59,738 --> 00:34:02,608
And then I opened it up I
think it was Kerrang Magazine

636
00:34:02,608 --> 00:34:04,009
or something and it
was the big poster

637
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:08,080
of me with nothing
on, just the breast.

638
00:34:09,981 --> 00:34:13,252
I thought oh, and I
thought no way man.

639
00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:18,056
I wanted to be taken
seriously for our nice metal

640
00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:19,591
and not for that.

641
00:34:20,692 --> 00:34:24,096
- I can imagine you
use your sexuality.

642
00:34:24,096 --> 00:34:27,065
But to sell sex
just to get famous,

643
00:34:30,302 --> 00:34:31,503
it happens on all levels
and maybe you're just

644
00:34:31,503 --> 00:34:35,307
compromising for a
lack of other talents.

645
00:34:37,008 --> 00:34:39,345
That's always what I
think when I see it.

646
00:34:39,345 --> 00:34:42,148
- If a woman feels like I
wanna be naked and fuck you

647
00:34:42,148 --> 00:34:45,684
because I'm doing this
for me, cool, do it.

648
00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:48,820
But then, on the other side,
it's like well, I've had to

649
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,990
work for like, many years just
to not be seen as something

650
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:53,892
that should be naked
by now, you know.

651
00:34:53,892 --> 00:34:57,596
And when I see other women
sort of really pushing their

652
00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:01,367
bodies, it's sort of honestly,
it usually bothers me

653
00:35:01,367 --> 00:35:02,734
at first because I'm like,

654
00:35:02,734 --> 00:35:03,702
no, we're fighting against that.

655
00:35:03,702 --> 00:35:05,871
Like, make them listen
instead of look.

656
00:35:05,871 --> 00:35:08,240
- I think it's demeaning.

657
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,743
But like I say, it's only
my opinion it doesn't mean

658
00:35:11,743 --> 00:35:14,012
it's true maybe it's a very,
very good singer who just likes

659
00:35:14,012 --> 00:35:17,816
to do that or says,
hey for the heck of it

660
00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:20,686
I do want to get famous
and I don't care how.

661
00:35:20,686 --> 00:35:22,288
Fair enough.

662
00:35:22,288 --> 00:35:24,456
I don't want to judge it.

663
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:29,127
But at least as far
as I'm concerned

664
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,830
looking good, looking
appealing, sure.

665
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:35,801
But selling sex just to
get there, I don't know.

666
00:35:37,669 --> 00:35:41,773
Whether it's metal or not,
it's demeaning for women.

667
00:35:41,773 --> 00:35:43,041
We don't need that, come on.

668
00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:45,311
- Although that is a tool you
can use to control people,

669
00:35:45,311 --> 00:35:47,879
because you can
basically just be like,

670
00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:49,548
boobs, buy this magazine.

671
00:35:49,548 --> 00:35:51,750
Oh, okay, whoa, I have
this magazine in my hand,

672
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:52,551
how'd that happen?

673
00:35:52,551 --> 00:35:53,319
You know.

674
00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:56,087
As much as that's cool,
because you're actually using

675
00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,190
your sexuality to control
others, just be careful because

676
00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:01,893
that sexuality that
you put out there

677
00:36:01,893 --> 00:36:04,763
is something that's always
going to be identified with you.

678
00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:07,366
- For a lot of people,
needless to say,

679
00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:10,168
music is a really
personal thing.

680
00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:15,207
And you make a very
personal thing a product,

681
00:36:16,342 --> 00:36:17,876
because, you know, it's
a CD people can buy it,

682
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:19,811
it's a product.

683
00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:21,213
If you make that very
personal thing a product

684
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:24,082
it's very easy to,
and of course then

685
00:36:24,082 --> 00:36:26,885
you sell images of
yourself as well.

686
00:36:26,885 --> 00:36:31,223
Then it's very hard to even
keep from objectifying yourself.

687
00:36:32,524 --> 00:36:36,528
This is, actually I just
recently like three weeks ago

688
00:36:36,528 --> 00:36:38,964
I got this tattoo, and
it's my first tattoo.

689
00:36:38,964 --> 00:36:40,065
- [Voiceover] Congratulations.

690
00:36:40,065 --> 00:36:41,400
- Thank you.

691
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,369
And I was very,
very proud of it.

692
00:36:43,369 --> 00:36:45,070
And I thought, shall I
put it on the internet?

693
00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:47,839
Shall I put a photo on it, on
you know, my Facebook page?

694
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:51,710
And I think for the
first time, I thought,

695
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:54,846
this is something that is
for me, and I know that with,

696
00:36:57,082 --> 00:37:01,387
you know, whatever, the
people are probably just going

697
00:37:03,322 --> 00:37:06,892
to judge it as if I
was putting out a song,

698
00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:08,059
or whatever, you know.

699
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:09,695
And I thought, no, this is not,

700
00:37:09,695 --> 00:37:12,598
this is something
which is for me.

701
00:37:12,598 --> 00:37:14,466
And it's, sometimes it's
actually hard to make this

702
00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:18,203
distinction when, yeah, when
people are buying not only

703
00:37:18,203 --> 00:37:21,072
into the music, but into
the band itself so much.

704
00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:23,141
You know, at one
point people are

705
00:37:23,141 --> 00:37:24,576
not judging your music anymore.

706
00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:26,612
They're not judging
your photo anymore.

707
00:37:26,612 --> 00:37:28,480
They're not judging
your ass anymore.

708
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,981
They're judging you.

709
00:37:29,981 --> 00:37:32,584
And this is something that
within the whole process

710
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:35,020
sometimes is tricky shit, yeah.

711
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:52,604
- Ten to 15 years ago it was
a relatively new phenomena,

712
00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:56,007
late 90's more ladies
fronting metal bands.

713
00:37:57,576 --> 00:37:59,778
Of course it's not an
entirely new thing.

714
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:02,381
But there was a different
type of music attached to it,

715
00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:04,383
a different vibe to it like
compared to the earlier

716
00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:07,218
80's with Doro and Lita Ford

717
00:38:07,218 --> 00:38:08,487
and more of the
heavy metal genre.

718
00:38:08,487 --> 00:38:11,957
And more and more bands
came and maybe had a bit

719
00:38:15,494 --> 00:38:19,097
of the same sound
in the beginning.

720
00:38:19,097 --> 00:38:21,066
First it was called
gothic metal,

721
00:38:21,066 --> 00:38:23,902
a name I didn't
understand either.

722
00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:27,005
- I like female fronted metal
a lot more than gothic metal

723
00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:29,408
for, to start.

724
00:38:29,408 --> 00:38:30,742
I don't know if that's
something that's very used

725
00:38:30,742 --> 00:38:35,347
in America, but in Europe
you hear that a lot.

726
00:38:35,347 --> 00:38:37,916
And that I think,
doesn't say anything

727
00:38:37,916 --> 00:38:38,517
about the music at all.

728
00:38:38,517 --> 00:38:40,386
- That's outdated.

729
00:38:40,386 --> 00:38:41,987
That's outdated.

730
00:38:41,987 --> 00:38:45,791
Female fronted metal nowadays
there are so many metal bands

731
00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:48,226
with female singers that
it sounds weird saying

732
00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:51,363
it's a female fronted
metal band because

733
00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:52,931
you don't say that
when a guy is singing.

734
00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:55,967
- Yeah a lot of people like
this kind of typecasting

735
00:38:55,967 --> 00:39:01,072
where everything is about
gender and everything is about,

736
00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:02,273
how super special that is.

737
00:39:02,273 --> 00:39:05,577
- So why a male fronted
band can be called

738
00:39:05,577 --> 00:39:07,613
symphonic metal, death
metal, black metal.

739
00:39:07,613 --> 00:39:10,649
But a band with a female singer

740
00:39:10,649 --> 00:39:13,151
is always female fronted metal.

741
00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:16,021
- For instance, when you
want to, when you want to try

742
00:39:16,021 --> 00:39:20,759
to get booked on a
festival, and they say like,

743
00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:23,895
oh but we've already got a
female fronted metal band.

744
00:39:23,895 --> 00:39:26,998
I'm like, yeah okay, well
you have a lot of male

745
00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:30,769
fronted metal bands so that
shouldn't be really a problem.

746
00:39:30,769 --> 00:39:33,204
I think if we would focus
more on the music itself

747
00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:35,340
than on the gender
of people on stage,

748
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:36,875
that would be the
best thing to do.

749
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:41,312
- Like, I don't regard
my gender my identity.

750
00:39:41,312 --> 00:39:43,181
Like, there's a
whole lot more to it.

751
00:39:43,181 --> 00:39:44,450
- Yeah, Epica's a metal band,

752
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:46,084
we're not a
female-fronted metal band.

753
00:39:46,084 --> 00:39:48,286
We got Mark who's also singing.

754
00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,789
And like I said, I can
burp like a man so.

755
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:52,991
(snickering)

756
00:39:52,991 --> 00:39:55,994
- Maybe the origins of metal
is a bit more male dominated

757
00:39:55,994 --> 00:39:59,364
than it is today and that
means that it still is

758
00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:00,566
a male dominated scene.

759
00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:02,834
I don't think
that's a bad thing.

760
00:40:02,834 --> 00:40:04,936
But it's not that special
anymore that there are ladies

761
00:40:04,936 --> 00:40:10,642
in bands, and to call the entire
band a female fronted band

762
00:40:10,642 --> 00:40:14,580
or the music they make
female fronted music,

763
00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:16,882
that I think has nothing
to do with how it sounds

764
00:40:16,882 --> 00:40:20,886
and that would not
happen in other genres.

765
00:40:20,886 --> 00:40:25,090
("Distorted
Lullabies" by ReVamp)

766
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,962
* True hearts

767
00:40:33,164 --> 00:40:36,768
* True pain

768
00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:40,371
- You know, girls generally
don't wanna be gross and dirty

769
00:40:40,371 --> 00:40:42,107
and sometimes guys are
okay with that you know.

770
00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:44,810
Like, we kinda wanna take
showers, we kinda have to like

771
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:47,713
put on makeup sometimes and we
wanna like, have some privacy

772
00:40:47,713 --> 00:40:49,881
to change our clothes and you
know, little things like that

773
00:40:49,881 --> 00:40:53,318
that you don't
necessarily think about.

774
00:40:53,318 --> 00:40:56,588
But they are an issue because
you're in a band of people

775
00:40:56,588 --> 00:40:59,658
together all the time, in
a van or in a backstage

776
00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:01,660
or in a bus or wherever.

777
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:02,894
Like it's different you know.

778
00:41:02,894 --> 00:41:05,330
We're a different
species almost.

779
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:07,265
We need different things.

780
00:41:07,265 --> 00:41:10,969
* Fair minds, fair thoughts

781
00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:15,541
- In a certain way I do feel
very connected and very similar

782
00:41:15,541 --> 00:41:18,677
to the guys, but at the
same time I recognize our

783
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,112
differences, and I
don't find it necessary

784
00:41:21,112 --> 00:41:24,015
to emphasize it any more.

785
00:41:24,015 --> 00:41:26,484
Like in a normal relationship
between men and women,

786
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:28,019
we all know the differences.

787
00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:31,189
There is always a
little tension, a
little game of you know,

788
00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:33,725
there's always a
difference, but that's fine

789
00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:37,162
and you just learn
how to deal with that.

790
00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:40,999
- I was always one of
the guys and no big deal.

791
00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:44,369
When people want to degrade
you to just being a woman,

792
00:41:44,369 --> 00:41:48,006
that sometimes makes
me you know like,

793
00:41:48,006 --> 00:41:50,175
makes me laugh actually.

794
00:41:50,175 --> 00:41:52,944
On the other hand, now we're
touring all over the world

795
00:41:52,944 --> 00:41:57,082
and we tour in many,
many different countries

796
00:41:57,082 --> 00:42:00,919
where you can definitely feel,
man there's a lot of stuff

797
00:42:00,919 --> 00:42:04,990
going on that women are
totally not equal to men.

798
00:42:06,892 --> 00:42:09,060
In some countries, you
can really see that

799
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:14,032
and in some countries I
couldn't even go and perform.

800
00:42:15,734 --> 00:42:19,571
I hope, I hope that
would change, but yes.

801
00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:22,974
("Insomnia" by Charlotte)

802
00:42:37,689 --> 00:42:40,058
* You breath in loudly

803
00:42:41,126 --> 00:42:44,930
* The ceiling dances

804
00:42:46,197 --> 00:42:49,635
* Your hands are moving

805
00:42:50,301 --> 00:42:53,071
* Numb all my senses

806
00:42:57,542 --> 00:43:00,245
* I cannot sleep

807
00:43:01,647 --> 00:43:04,315
* I cannot sleep

808
00:43:06,184 --> 00:43:10,255
* I cannot sleep

809
00:43:12,791 --> 00:43:15,994
- I myself started as
a teenager in metal.

810
00:43:15,994 --> 00:43:18,029
It was not necessarily to
rebel against my parents but

811
00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:21,432
at the same time I can't
imagine at that time

812
00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:22,901
it was not exactly
something they said,

813
00:43:22,901 --> 00:43:26,705
yay my daughter is
singing in a metal band.

814
00:43:26,705 --> 00:43:30,909
- I don't think that they
mind that it's metal.

815
00:43:30,909 --> 00:43:33,144
My parents, I mean, they
didn't listen to metal,

816
00:43:33,144 --> 00:43:36,081
but at least they listened
to, you know, Pink Floyd,

817
00:43:36,081 --> 00:43:38,116
you know, music that you
actually have to listen to,

818
00:43:38,116 --> 00:43:40,185
as is metal.

819
00:43:40,185 --> 00:43:43,922
- They've always helped
me whenever they can,

820
00:43:43,922 --> 00:43:46,057
and they've supported
me and my sister

821
00:43:46,057 --> 00:43:48,059
who is also in the
entertainment business.

822
00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:51,730
- To have them support me and
believe in me and let me be

823
00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:55,701
who I am has made a huge
difference and impact.

824
00:44:00,371 --> 00:44:03,074
- I think it's also a bit
up to yourself as a musician

825
00:44:03,074 --> 00:44:06,044
to involve people
into your world.

826
00:44:06,044 --> 00:44:10,048
(speaking in foreign language)

827
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:12,884
Hi Mom.

828
00:44:12,884 --> 00:44:15,987
(audience cheering)

829
00:44:17,588 --> 00:44:19,825
Once they see that
it's not just noise

830
00:44:19,825 --> 00:44:22,694
and satanic dramas
and backstages.

831
00:44:23,528 --> 00:44:24,996
- I mean, they come to the gigs

832
00:44:24,996 --> 00:44:28,133
when we have gigs
near them and yeah.

833
00:44:30,135 --> 00:44:33,204
Yeah I think they're as cool
as you can be as parents

834
00:44:33,204 --> 00:44:37,275
about you know, your kids
pursuing a career in music.

835
00:44:37,275 --> 00:44:41,379
- Sure not every parent has
been or is equally supportive,

836
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:44,149
I'm very fortunate with mine.

837
00:44:44,149 --> 00:44:46,651
They gave me the freedom
to make my own choices

838
00:44:46,651 --> 00:44:48,353
and to make my own
mistakes for that matter.

839
00:44:48,353 --> 00:44:51,089
- I remember my parents
they came to one concert

840
00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:53,158
when we played
with Judas Priest,

841
00:44:53,158 --> 00:44:56,527
and they were like you
know, dressed like you know

842
00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:57,929
all conservative,
like mom and dad.

843
00:44:57,929 --> 00:45:00,932
And then all these
headbangers with long hair

844
00:45:00,932 --> 00:45:04,202
and their jeans, denim
vests with all the patches

845
00:45:04,202 --> 00:45:05,937
and the bullet belts.

846
00:45:05,937 --> 00:45:09,307
And then they said, hey what
are you guys doing here?

847
00:45:09,307 --> 00:45:12,177
And then my dad said,
that's my daughter.

848
00:45:12,177 --> 00:45:14,312
And all the fans
are like, oh really?

849
00:45:14,312 --> 00:45:17,916
And then you know, and then
they had the best time.

850
00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,484
- I wonder how dads
look at their daughters

851
00:45:19,484 --> 00:45:20,786
when they do that stuff.

852
00:45:20,786 --> 00:45:21,987
Like, yeah, my daughter
growls now, you know.

853
00:45:21,987 --> 00:45:26,357
- My parents weren't so
happy with my decision

854
00:45:26,357 --> 00:45:30,095
of quitting high school,
because they thought singing

855
00:45:30,095 --> 00:45:35,133
in a band would be a phase,
like many teens go through

856
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:36,902
different phases and they
thought oh, she might

857
00:45:36,902 --> 00:45:40,605
not be happy with
her decision one day,

858
00:45:40,605 --> 00:45:42,140
and parents like to guide you.

859
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:47,078
And yeah, they were shocked
at first, but supportive.

860
00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:50,115
They came to the shows.

861
00:45:50,115 --> 00:45:53,952
And then through the years they
saw Epica became successful,

862
00:45:53,952 --> 00:45:56,955
and that you can make a
living with being in a band

863
00:45:56,955 --> 00:45:58,256
and it's not just
something you do for fun,

864
00:45:58,256 --> 00:46:02,928
but that it's a real profession,
and that there is a way

865
00:46:02,928 --> 00:46:05,730
to sup, yeah
support yourself in,

866
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:09,334
while being a musician
in the metal scene.

867
00:46:09,334 --> 00:46:10,401
("Battle of Wrath" by
Kobra and the Lotus)

868
00:46:10,401 --> 00:46:11,769
* The steel may pierce my arm

869
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,205
* The battle rages on

870
00:46:14,205 --> 00:46:18,376
* Through my veins
rushes insidious conflict

871
00:46:19,744 --> 00:46:24,115
* If I survive my fate
an emptiness awaits

872
00:46:24,115 --> 00:46:28,319
* Leading me hollow
and tempted by death

873
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:33,058
* Oh I will find a way

874
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,062
* To live another day

875
00:46:40,031 --> 00:46:43,068
* Woah, pray for the sunrise

876
00:46:44,970 --> 00:46:48,907
* Battle of souls
burning the sky

877
00:46:48,907 --> 00:46:53,044
* Woah, angel of mercy

878
00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:59,517
* Breathe in the gloom
that clouds my eyes *

879
00:47:06,291 --> 00:47:10,361
- After Forever just
stopped and at the same time

880
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:14,299
the first economical
crisis started.

881
00:47:15,967 --> 00:47:19,304
There was no work for me as
a singer where I had tons

882
00:47:19,304 --> 00:47:21,739
of projects in
the summer before,

883
00:47:21,739 --> 00:47:25,243
there was nothing
going to happen.

884
00:47:25,243 --> 00:47:26,044
And, um.

885
00:47:28,113 --> 00:47:32,283
Yeah, so I had a lot of time
and I was just you know,

886
00:47:34,052 --> 00:47:38,523
using money I made before
while I had time to work.

887
00:47:38,523 --> 00:47:40,992
Not as a musician but I
didn't want to spend my money

888
00:47:40,992 --> 00:47:44,862
on doing nothing and
feeling sorry for myself.

889
00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:49,100
So I did start ReVamp,
but I also started working

890
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:51,970
in a lingerie store
for a couple of months.

891
00:47:51,970 --> 00:47:55,440
- I have done dishes,
but I have done dishes

892
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,810
in the most fancy restaurant
of the Netherlands.

893
00:47:59,810 --> 00:48:02,513
I have done data
entry for a year.

894
00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:05,283
It made me brain dead.

895
00:48:05,283 --> 00:48:09,754
- I had a real job up until
like, less than a year ago.

896
00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:12,323
I worked, I started working
when I was like 11 years old

897
00:48:12,323 --> 00:48:14,759
actually, but not at
like a nine to five.

898
00:48:14,759 --> 00:48:16,194
I started working doing art.

899
00:48:16,194 --> 00:48:17,963
So, I would do
commissioned artwork.

900
00:48:17,963 --> 00:48:19,397
Paintings, big murals,
stuff like that.

901
00:48:19,397 --> 00:48:24,069
- I was basically pressing
enter and falling asleep.

902
00:48:25,236 --> 00:48:27,973
- I have a job as
an IT specialist.

903
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,344
I do that four days a week,
and I think it would take

904
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:39,050
a lot of good luck to earn that
salary from the metal music.

905
00:48:43,521 --> 00:48:44,956
But it's, I've seen
different approaches

906
00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:49,260
from musician
friends that I have.

907
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:53,331
You either, you know,
get another kind of job,

908
00:48:53,331 --> 00:48:54,799
or do some other kind of
thing, and you make your money

909
00:48:54,799 --> 00:48:59,604
with it and then you do exactly
what you want with music.

910
00:48:59,604 --> 00:49:01,839
This is what I do.

911
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:05,110
And you have people that
only want to do music,

912
00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:08,746
so they do what they
want, and they teach,

913
00:49:08,746 --> 00:49:13,318
and they maybe do some other
kind of session work and stuff

914
00:49:13,318 --> 00:49:17,188
that is not necessarily
exactly what you want to do.

915
00:49:17,188 --> 00:49:21,359
But then you get your week
full, you pay your bills,

916
00:49:21,926 --> 00:49:24,329
it's all great.

917
00:49:24,329 --> 00:49:26,331
- I started working as a teacher
in two different schools.

918
00:49:26,331 --> 00:49:29,734
It wasn't bad to do I actually
enjoyed it and it was funny

919
00:49:29,734 --> 00:49:33,438
to see during my works there
I started to get some more

920
00:49:33,438 --> 00:49:37,275
work, I got some more
students and was writing

921
00:49:38,676 --> 00:49:42,047
for the first ReVamp album
so I was busy enough.

922
00:49:42,047 --> 00:49:46,217
It makes you humble, if
you always have just peaks

923
00:49:47,585 --> 00:49:49,254
you might just take
things for granted faster.

924
00:49:49,254 --> 00:49:51,222
I've always seen it that way.

925
00:49:51,222 --> 00:49:55,160
If things go bad for a while
well then, that's just it,

926
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,395
it's just a matter of
how you deal with it

927
00:49:57,395 --> 00:50:00,465
and if you work hard you'll
get back on your feet.

928
00:50:00,465 --> 00:50:02,733
- There's lucky ones that
have reached that level

929
00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:06,371
where they can make money
out of exactly the music

930
00:50:06,371 --> 00:50:09,340
that they want to
make, and that's great.

931
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:12,077
This is something
I would like to do.

932
00:50:12,077 --> 00:50:13,344
("This Endless Night"
by Steam of Passion)

933
00:50:13,344 --> 00:50:17,082
* Pull me through
this endless night

934
00:50:23,721 --> 00:50:27,425
* There's a ghost by the door

935
00:50:31,329 --> 00:50:35,733
* There's a memory
that won't let me go

936
00:50:35,733 --> 00:50:40,037
* Will you please set me free

937
00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:44,209
* From the burden that
won't let me sleep *

938
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:48,913
Hey everyone, this is Marcela
from Stream of Passion.

939
00:50:48,913 --> 00:50:52,483
I'm doing this video actually
on request of my friend

940
00:50:52,483 --> 00:50:53,951
Grace Meridan, who wanted
to learn more about

941
00:50:53,951 --> 00:50:56,654
the lax vox technique.

942
00:50:58,156 --> 00:51:01,459
A technique that helps you
relax your vocal chords

943
00:51:01,459 --> 00:51:04,595
and help you sing
in a more open way.

944
00:51:06,331 --> 00:51:08,166
And since I thought maybe
some singers out there

945
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:11,369
could be interested in
it, then I'm just going to

946
00:51:11,369 --> 00:51:14,239
put it on Youtube, and
you can all take a look

947
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,940
and maybe work with this
technique because it's amazing.

948
00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:19,510
I'm a bit of a vocal nerd.

949
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:21,879
And I really enjoy knowing
how everything works.

950
00:51:21,879 --> 00:51:25,082
And it gives me a lot of
pleasure to have that moment

951
00:51:25,082 --> 00:51:28,085
where you think, like, right.

952
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,855
So when they're,
'cause singing lessons

953
00:51:30,855 --> 00:51:32,290
can be very abstract you know.

954
00:51:32,290 --> 00:51:35,560
They can tell you like,
sing more like to the front

955
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,828
of you know, like sing
more towards your face.

956
00:51:37,828 --> 00:51:40,265
Basically you blow
into the tube,

957
00:51:40,265 --> 00:51:43,234
as if you were
making an oh sound.

958
00:51:43,234 --> 00:51:45,636
And you blow like this,
and you make bubbles.

959
00:51:45,636 --> 00:51:46,871
Like this.

960
00:51:46,871 --> 00:51:50,675
(bubbles gurgling and humming)

961
00:51:51,976 --> 00:51:53,911
When it clicks, when you
figure out how something works

962
00:51:53,911 --> 00:51:57,315
and clicks, and then
you understand it
and then you master

963
00:51:57,315 --> 00:52:00,451
it and then you can use
it however you want,

964
00:52:00,451 --> 00:52:03,053
that's such an
incredibly nice feeling.

965
00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:07,858
(bubbles gurgling
and singing scales)

966
00:52:17,902 --> 00:52:20,605
- By teaching others you stay
in touch with vocal technique.

967
00:52:20,605 --> 00:52:22,173
You're very aware of
what you are doing

968
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:24,909
because you want to
explain it to someone else.

969
00:52:24,909 --> 00:52:28,846
I'll do a little example,
just a little singing.

970
00:52:28,846 --> 00:52:31,682
(singing one note)

971
00:52:32,917 --> 00:52:33,918
- [Voiceover] We are
perfectly good in that mic.

972
00:52:33,918 --> 00:52:36,053
- Alright.

973
00:52:36,053 --> 00:52:37,655
You stay in touch
with vocal techniques

974
00:52:37,655 --> 00:52:39,557
as they evolve, rapidly.

975
00:52:40,725 --> 00:52:42,993
The difference between
when I started to study

976
00:52:42,993 --> 00:52:45,463
and now is quite
big, and that's good

977
00:52:45,463 --> 00:52:48,266
So I'd like to stay
in touch with that.

978
00:52:48,266 --> 00:52:50,935
And teaching other people
things I know a lot about,

979
00:52:50,935 --> 00:52:55,873
technique geek as I am, has
always, you know, satisfied me.

980
00:52:57,908 --> 00:53:01,912
If you always sing very
nice and sweet and light,

981
00:53:01,912 --> 00:53:03,581
this is like a head voice sound.

982
00:53:03,581 --> 00:53:05,015
(singing)

983
00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:06,284
It has a bit of a sweet sound.

984
00:53:06,284 --> 00:53:08,152
So if you want to
have a rocky vibe,

985
00:53:08,152 --> 00:53:10,888
you're not going to
go for this voice.

986
00:53:10,888 --> 00:53:11,756
(powerful singing)

987
00:53:11,756 --> 00:53:14,158
* You go for that one

988
00:53:14,158 --> 00:53:16,561
There's a lot of
different sounds you know,

989
00:53:16,561 --> 00:53:20,030
you can use as an effect,
within the rock sound as well,

990
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:21,732
or the lighter poppy sound.

991
00:53:21,732 --> 00:53:22,567
(pop singing)

992
00:53:22,567 --> 00:53:26,304
* Hey

993
00:53:26,304 --> 00:53:30,541
You'll hear the RandB singers
do a lot of those things.

994
00:53:30,541 --> 00:53:33,544
You can, you can make
every vocal type really raw

995
00:53:33,544 --> 00:53:37,047
by the way, but you do need
to know what you're doing.

996
00:53:37,047 --> 00:53:39,417
With grunts, you're actually
not using your vocal chords,

997
00:53:39,417 --> 00:53:42,453
or barely, you're using
your false vocal chords.

998
00:53:42,453 --> 00:53:43,454
But just the false vocal chords.

999
00:53:43,454 --> 00:53:44,322
(low guttural screaming)

1000
00:53:44,322 --> 00:53:48,158
* Will sound like this

1001
00:53:48,158 --> 00:53:50,461
A bit raw, rough.

1002
00:53:50,461 --> 00:53:54,965
They're bigger, and less
coordinate, coordinated

1003
00:53:54,965 --> 00:53:57,034
as the actual vocal chords.

1004
00:53:57,034 --> 00:53:58,636
And when they vibrate.

1005
00:53:58,636 --> 00:53:59,437
(growls)

1006
00:53:59,437 --> 00:54:00,137
That's how it sounds.

1007
00:54:00,137 --> 00:54:02,607
(laughing)

1008
00:54:02,607 --> 00:54:05,976
I've always focused on
singing as clean as possible.

1009
00:54:05,976 --> 00:54:10,180
High, low, lower, even
higher, you know, very soft,

1010
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:11,015
very high but
everything always clean

1011
00:54:11,015 --> 00:54:12,850
(heavy metal music)

1012
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:14,485
* But what's the truth

1013
00:54:14,485 --> 00:54:17,422
* I don't seem angelic

1014
00:54:17,422 --> 00:54:20,124
* Seduction's a mind trick

1015
00:54:20,124 --> 00:54:23,160
* And I'm quite a player

1016
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,462
Then I tried to use it
in different genres.

1017
00:54:24,462 --> 00:54:28,433
And then I discovered especially
during the live shows,

1018
00:54:28,433 --> 00:54:30,901
that this little raw
edge was coming off.

1019
00:54:33,438 --> 00:54:35,072
Not because I was
doing something wrong,

1020
00:54:35,072 --> 00:54:38,676
but just because it grew
that way and it felt right.

1021
00:54:38,676 --> 00:54:41,512
So I tried to figure out
how do I actually do that.

1022
00:54:41,512 --> 00:54:43,213
- I think every musician, if
you're able to do something,

1023
00:54:43,213 --> 00:54:44,615
then you kind of want
to demonstrate it.

1024
00:54:44,615 --> 00:54:48,118
But it doesn't really
fit the music that I make

1025
00:54:48,118 --> 00:54:49,119
if I'm gonna sound like.

1026
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,455
(growling)

1027
00:54:50,455 --> 00:54:53,491
- Grunts are not an
unfamiliar element

1028
00:54:53,491 --> 00:54:55,793
in this type of music.

1029
00:54:55,793 --> 00:54:57,061
I just figured it would
be cool to do it myself,

1030
00:54:57,061 --> 00:55:01,899
indeed to emphasize the
versatility that I hope makes me

1031
00:55:05,202 --> 00:55:06,437
a little different
from you know,

1032
00:55:06,437 --> 00:55:10,408
the other singers,
female and male.

1033
00:55:10,408 --> 00:55:13,010
- I will never be such
a great grunter as I am

1034
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:17,348
a more melodic singer, because
that's what I, that's how

1035
00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:25,590
I can, you know, tell my,
share my message the best.

1036
00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:28,959
- My vocals are pretty
much just pure emotion.

1037
00:55:28,959 --> 00:55:31,362
They're, I mean growling
is like very much like

1038
00:55:31,362 --> 00:55:33,330
this is the word that
I'm saying to you

1039
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,232
and this is how I'm
saying it to you.

1040
00:55:35,232 --> 00:55:37,735
And it's a very very complex

1041
00:55:37,735 --> 00:55:40,838
form of vocalization
as well, you know.

1042
00:55:40,838 --> 00:55:43,040
It's not easier or harder or
whatever than clean singing.

1043
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,241
To me they're the same.

1044
00:55:44,241 --> 00:55:45,843
("As the Pages
Burn" by Arch Enemy)

1045
00:55:45,843 --> 00:55:47,945
* As smoke fills the room
soon to pass, heavy gloom

1046
00:55:50,848 --> 00:55:53,684
* The wind will
whisk away the past

1047
00:55:53,684 --> 00:55:55,486
* A blank page stares at you

1048
00:55:55,486 --> 00:55:56,220
* Nothing left

1049
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:57,922
* Where to start

1050
00:55:57,922 --> 00:55:59,490
* A second chance
carries expectation *

1051
00:55:59,490 --> 00:56:03,461
I'm having a lot more fun
actually just, just doing growls

1052
00:56:03,461 --> 00:56:06,697
because I feel like as a
performer, I'm you know,

1053
00:56:06,697 --> 00:56:08,533
able to grow and
I'm just starting.

1054
00:56:08,533 --> 00:56:12,202
It's so aggressive, it's
so physical, you know.

1055
00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:14,972
I get off stage and I feel like
I just sprinted for an hour

1056
00:56:14,972 --> 00:56:17,608
and it never really
felt like that before.

1057
00:56:17,608 --> 00:56:19,677
Like, it always felt like
I was doing a hard workout

1058
00:56:19,677 --> 00:56:21,412
and I was really,
you know, involved,

1059
00:56:21,412 --> 00:56:24,515
but now the intensity and
the range of emotions.

1060
00:56:24,515 --> 00:56:26,350
If you scream without
feeling it you can hear it.

1061
00:56:26,350 --> 00:56:29,086
* Solved by fire

1062
00:56:29,086 --> 00:56:33,924
* As the pages burn

1063
00:56:33,924 --> 00:56:36,326
- Every type of singing
whether it's high or low,

1064
00:56:36,326 --> 00:56:38,963
soft, loud, clean or
distorted I understand

1065
00:56:43,534 --> 00:56:47,104
what I need to do
to make the sounds.

1066
00:56:47,104 --> 00:56:49,073
("Wild Card" by ReVamp)

1067
00:56:49,073 --> 00:56:51,141
* Make up my mind

1068
00:56:51,141 --> 00:56:54,912
* Fight the demon inside

1069
00:56:54,912 --> 00:56:57,915
* Be the light or the
dark or the safe grey

1070
00:56:57,915 --> 00:56:59,484
* Choose a side

1071
00:56:59,484 --> 00:57:03,988
More importantly, I know
how it feels to do it.

1072
00:57:03,988 --> 00:57:07,658
And then of course it's
a big challenge to shift

1073
00:57:07,658 --> 00:57:10,928
between the sounds
and between the notes.

1074
00:57:13,998 --> 00:57:15,032
* But what's the truth

1075
00:57:15,032 --> 00:57:18,969
* I don't seem angelic

1076
00:57:18,969 --> 00:57:21,806
I'm happy it looks
effortless on stage,

1077
00:57:21,806 --> 00:57:23,874
that's good to hear because
it doesn't feel that way.

1078
00:57:23,874 --> 00:57:27,778
It's definitely, you know a lot
of okay, now I'm doing this,

1079
00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:29,580
now I'm doing that, my
body needs to do this,

1080
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:30,915
my body needs to do that.

1081
00:57:30,915 --> 00:57:33,317
Because my body is
my machine you know.

1082
00:57:33,317 --> 00:57:34,952
I need to push the
right buttons there.

1083
00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:37,955
I wouldn't call it a trick,
but it's a technique, you know,

1084
00:57:37,955 --> 00:57:41,659
yeah you just need to
learn how to master it.

1085
00:57:41,659 --> 00:57:44,061
- It's very very refreshing
and very very cool to be able

1086
00:57:44,061 --> 00:57:47,665
to do a lot of this stuff,
but it's also very important

1087
00:57:47,665 --> 00:57:51,235
to find your own voice
and your own thing,

1088
00:57:51,235 --> 00:57:52,870
and I know what my thing is.

1089
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:55,372
- This is actually sad, but
initially I thought because I

1090
00:57:55,372 --> 00:57:59,076
was a woman, there's no way I'm
tough enough for this genre.

1091
00:57:59,076 --> 00:58:02,112
I thought that I really
needed to be more than I was

1092
00:58:02,112 --> 00:58:06,483
and so I created a voice,
a vocal sound for myself.

1093
00:58:11,288 --> 00:58:14,358
And it actually hurt my voice,

1094
00:58:14,358 --> 00:58:16,727
it wasn't a good
thing for me at all.

1095
00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:20,831
- With every type of singing
it really depends on how you're

1096
00:58:22,299 --> 00:58:26,637
built, in here, what type of
singing fits with you most.

1097
00:58:28,405 --> 00:58:31,776
- When I started to play every
night, I couldn't actually

1098
00:58:31,776 --> 00:58:33,143
keep it up, because
first of all,

1099
00:58:33,143 --> 00:58:34,945
physically it wasn't possible.

1100
00:58:34,945 --> 00:58:39,449
And then, and then also I was
realizing how the response

1101
00:58:39,449 --> 00:58:41,852
was from people, and
I was really noticing

1102
00:58:41,852 --> 00:58:47,024
that being genuine was
the best way to go.

1103
00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,626
And I learned a lot.

1104
00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:51,796
- Everything that comes
easy will become, you know,

1105
00:58:51,796 --> 00:58:54,064
the voice that you know,
is most natural on you.

1106
00:58:54,064 --> 00:58:58,502
Whether that is singing in
a very high pitched voice

1107
00:58:58,502 --> 00:59:00,070
or growling.

1108
00:59:00,070 --> 00:59:03,307
For me personally, the raw
singing didn't come natural.

1109
00:59:03,307 --> 00:59:05,876
I really had to search for it,

1110
00:59:07,812 --> 00:59:10,615
while the clean
singing was easy.

1111
00:59:10,615 --> 00:59:11,882
Columbus Ohio.

1112
00:59:11,882 --> 00:59:14,952
I just woke up in this
nice little neighborhood

1113
00:59:14,952 --> 00:59:18,488
and now, it's always a fun
thing to find the venue.

1114
00:59:18,488 --> 00:59:20,925
And, the entrance to the venue.

1115
00:59:25,195 --> 00:59:27,264
I think I'll just follow Robert.

1116
00:59:27,264 --> 00:59:28,065
- Let's do this

1117
00:59:28,065 --> 00:59:29,233
- Yeah!

1118
00:59:29,233 --> 00:59:30,100
Woo!

1119
00:59:32,336 --> 00:59:33,704
- Good show.

1120
00:59:33,704 --> 00:59:35,205
- [Floor] Good Show

1121
00:59:35,205 --> 00:59:38,909
- There are some bands that
just want to like, you know,

1122
00:59:38,909 --> 00:59:40,678
party all night, stay up
all night doing drugs,

1123
00:59:40,678 --> 00:59:41,912
alcohol, people, whatever.

1124
00:59:43,047 --> 00:59:47,084
But there are a lot of
bands that you know,

1125
00:59:47,084 --> 00:59:49,987
really take it very
seriously and they understand

1126
00:59:49,987 --> 00:59:52,790
that if they damage
themselves they can't work.

1127
00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:55,960
- The sex, drugs, and rock
and roll kind of life.

1128
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,864
For real professional
bands, it's impossible.

1129
01:00:00,731 --> 01:00:01,999
It'll kill you in the end.

1130
01:00:06,070 --> 01:00:10,007
What have you been doing,
drooling on the thing?

1131
01:00:10,007 --> 01:00:11,842
- Bleeding!

1132
01:00:11,842 --> 01:00:13,143
- They think that we are
using drugs all day long

1133
01:00:13,143 --> 01:00:16,981
and that we're all on
stage drunk and do our show

1134
01:00:19,249 --> 01:00:23,120
and then go to bed with all
the females of the crowd.

1135
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,724
And that's a thing
you cannot get talked

1136
01:00:26,724 --> 01:00:29,159
out of the heads of people.

1137
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:31,495
- Feeding the
fishies, with ReVamp.

1138
01:00:31,495 --> 01:00:32,629
There you go

1139
01:00:34,331 --> 01:00:36,433
Nom nom nom nom.

1140
01:00:36,433 --> 01:00:37,735
Nom nom nom nom nom nom.

1141
01:00:37,735 --> 01:00:39,303
Nom nom nom nom nom.

1142
01:00:40,905 --> 01:00:44,141
- I know for myself I've
never ever used any of it, so.

1143
01:00:44,141 --> 01:00:46,310
Well, alcohol, sure, but
never any of the hard drugs

1144
01:00:46,310 --> 01:00:47,978
or any of that shit.

1145
01:00:47,978 --> 01:00:51,215
And to really stay in shape
and do this work, you can't.

1146
01:00:51,215 --> 01:00:54,451
- If I get hurt or I
get sick, I can't work,

1147
01:00:54,451 --> 01:00:57,054
I can't play my show and
that's what I need to do.

1148
01:00:57,054 --> 01:00:59,389
And like, missing a day of
work as a touring musician

1149
01:00:59,389 --> 01:01:01,091
doesn't mean you're gonna
have like one angry boss.

1150
01:01:01,091 --> 01:01:04,962
It means you're gonna
have like 2000 angry fans.

1151
01:01:04,962 --> 01:01:07,064
- My drug was always
music, always, always.

1152
01:01:07,064 --> 01:01:11,268
I would do anything for that,
and it's my ultimate high.

1153
01:01:11,268 --> 01:01:15,272
- In the band we have a rule,
no drinking before the show.

1154
01:01:15,272 --> 01:01:17,441
Some discipline is in order
as well if you have ambition

1155
01:01:17,441 --> 01:01:21,779
you want to be very aware of
what you're doing on stage.

1156
01:01:22,446 --> 01:01:24,048
- I don't use any drugs.

1157
01:01:24,048 --> 01:01:26,316
The only thing I do is
sometimes drink a beer.

1158
01:01:26,316 --> 01:01:28,786
- I personally don't drink
at all, you know, and that's

1159
01:01:28,786 --> 01:01:32,857
and for me having fun is
hanging out with my friends

1160
01:01:32,857 --> 01:01:35,192
in that city, wherever
I am and you know,

1161
01:01:35,192 --> 01:01:37,161
maybe going to like a
cool, vegan restaurant

1162
01:01:37,161 --> 01:01:39,563
or like going to a
gym, working out.

1163
01:01:39,563 --> 01:01:42,566
That's what's cool
for me on tour.

1164
01:01:42,566 --> 01:01:44,168
That's like how I
have fun on tour.

1165
01:01:44,168 --> 01:01:47,872
- What I learned is definitely
that it's not a good idea

1166
01:01:47,872 --> 01:01:50,240
to have too many substances.

1167
01:01:51,976 --> 01:01:55,479
All my friends who are
in other bands are people

1168
01:01:55,479 --> 01:01:58,048
who had too much
drugs or alcohol.

1169
01:01:58,048 --> 01:02:01,919
Now years later it's
definitely catching up.

1170
01:02:03,287 --> 01:02:04,889
You know do what you
love to do but, you know,

1171
01:02:04,889 --> 01:02:07,958
but don't turn into, you know,

1172
01:02:07,958 --> 01:02:11,395
don't get dependent
on some stupid stuff.

1173
01:02:12,763 --> 01:02:14,464
- Amphitheater workout
challenge accepted.

1174
01:02:14,464 --> 01:02:18,068
(intense heavy metal music)

1175
01:02:27,111 --> 01:02:30,514
- I've always been a
bit of a sporty person.

1176
01:02:30,514 --> 01:02:34,819
But the older I get, the more
I feel it's really important.

1177
01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:41,091
Not just because of aging but
also because of experience.

1178
01:02:41,091 --> 01:02:45,229
Being in a good shape is
making your condition better

1179
01:02:46,663 --> 01:02:50,400
so you'll fight off all kinds
of viruses and, you know,

1180
01:02:52,369 --> 01:02:54,538
easier 'cause you don't
want to pick up every cold

1181
01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:56,306
that's hanging around you.

1182
01:02:56,306 --> 01:02:59,844
When your energy's down and
when your condition's bad

1183
01:02:59,844 --> 01:03:02,646
you'll be more receptive
for all kinds of diseases.

1184
01:03:02,646 --> 01:03:04,882
- So I've been burned out.

1185
01:03:07,384 --> 01:03:10,154
Not as bad as Floor has it,
cause I know her and she had,

1186
01:03:10,154 --> 01:03:15,059
like, a bad bad case, and she
had to also learn from scratch

1187
01:03:16,526 --> 01:03:20,030
again, how it, you know, how
to take care of yourself.

1188
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:21,966
- Hi, this is Floor from ReVamp.

1189
01:03:24,234 --> 01:03:27,137
I wanted to leave you a, a bit
of a more personal message.

1190
01:03:30,107 --> 01:03:32,009
Looking back, the first symptoms

1191
01:03:32,009 --> 01:03:33,944
were a lot of throat infections.

1192
01:03:36,380 --> 01:03:39,183
Of course, a singer
gets a throat infection.

1193
01:03:39,183 --> 01:03:43,687
I could've had anything else,
but it was always my throat.

1194
01:03:43,687 --> 01:03:46,056
I didn't feel it ever had
anything to do with how I sang

1195
01:03:46,056 --> 01:03:50,027
or with, you know, the fact
that I use my voice a lot.

1196
01:03:50,027 --> 01:03:52,462
That was just, for some
reason, a weak spot.

1197
01:03:52,462 --> 01:03:55,465
Some people say it's because
you keep emotions here.

1198
01:03:55,465 --> 01:03:57,401
When you have too many
emotions you don't deal with,

1199
01:03:57,401 --> 01:03:59,536
this becomes a weak spot.

1200
01:03:59,536 --> 01:04:01,371
Whatever the truth was,

1201
01:04:01,371 --> 01:04:04,608
I kept needing all kinds of
shit to get rid of it again.

1202
01:04:04,608 --> 01:04:08,178
Because, of course, just the
thought of taking it easy

1203
01:04:08,178 --> 01:04:11,081
and heal naturally
never occurred to me.

1204
01:04:11,081 --> 01:04:15,219
So that happened but then I
had a, quite a long holiday.

1205
01:04:19,223 --> 01:04:21,425
It was the summertime
and I got back to my

1206
01:04:21,425 --> 01:04:24,528
almost normal energy
level I thought.

1207
01:04:26,396 --> 01:04:27,898
And we went on tour.

1208
01:04:27,898 --> 01:04:28,966
Everything went well.

1209
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:35,439
And I think November 2011, no,

1210
01:04:39,609 --> 01:04:44,781
yeah, 2011, I went to the
doctor saying I'm so tired

1211
01:04:44,781 --> 01:04:47,985
all the time and every
time I do a bit too much

1212
01:04:47,985 --> 01:04:52,422
my temperature rises
and I become feverish.

1213
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:54,558
They checked my blood.

1214
01:04:54,558 --> 01:04:56,160
It was all good.

1215
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,061
That was beginning of November.

1216
01:04:57,061 --> 01:04:59,629
Late November, same thing.

1217
01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:01,698
It kept, it became worse.

1218
01:05:01,698 --> 01:05:03,067
I went back to the Doctor,
they did another check,

1219
01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:06,036
couldn't find anything,
went back to work.

1220
01:05:06,036 --> 01:05:08,372
Then it was the holidays.

1221
01:05:08,372 --> 01:05:10,207
I had two weeks off in
the beginning of January,

1222
01:05:10,207 --> 01:05:11,675
I felt pretty good again.

1223
01:05:11,675 --> 01:05:12,909
But then I started to work,
and after a little bit,

1224
01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:15,912
I got the symptoms back.

1225
01:05:15,912 --> 01:05:17,547
Super tired.

1226
01:05:17,547 --> 01:05:21,251
High temperature and I started
to get less and less air.

1227
01:05:25,189 --> 01:05:28,525
I had the feeling I was
just not breathing normally.

1228
01:05:28,525 --> 01:05:32,662
And I remember going on a
short little tour with ReVamp,

1229
01:05:34,164 --> 01:05:38,969
with Epica, and I was in
England for the first time

1230
01:05:40,137 --> 01:05:44,074
with them and realized,
I sort of panicked,

1231
01:05:44,074 --> 01:05:45,475
I started to panic about things,

1232
01:05:45,475 --> 01:05:48,345
I couldn't control
things anymore.

1233
01:05:51,481 --> 01:05:52,416
Shit, sorry.

1234
01:05:59,889 --> 01:06:02,659
Hell I never talk
about it anymore.

1235
01:06:05,362 --> 01:06:06,430
- [Voiceover] Do
you need a minute?

1236
01:06:06,430 --> 01:06:07,531
No, it's okay.

1237
01:06:09,233 --> 01:06:10,034
Wow.

1238
01:06:11,135 --> 01:06:11,868
I'm so angry about it.

1239
01:06:11,868 --> 01:06:15,039
(laughing)

1240
01:06:18,175 --> 01:06:20,610
The temperatures kept
rising so every time

1241
01:06:20,610 --> 01:06:23,247
I would do something I
would just get a fever.

1242
01:06:23,247 --> 01:06:25,515
But they couldn't find, you
know, anything that could,

1243
01:06:25,515 --> 01:06:29,519
yeah, give a reason, any
physical reason anyway,

1244
01:06:33,357 --> 01:06:37,161
even though all these
symptoms are very physical.

1245
01:06:37,161 --> 01:06:41,931
Looking back, my doctor
should've noticed

1246
01:06:41,931 --> 01:06:43,633
all those symptoms.

1247
01:06:43,633 --> 01:06:46,103
He could've done a better job
on me if he would have said

1248
01:06:46,103 --> 01:06:50,274
in November, Floor, if I
put one and one together

1249
01:06:50,274 --> 01:06:53,009
and it's two, you've
got a burnout.

1250
01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:54,611
But he didn't.

1251
01:06:54,611 --> 01:06:58,248
So, he just let me kept on
going for a little while longer.

1252
01:06:59,649 --> 01:07:03,420
Which I truly feel caused
more time, more recovery time

1253
01:07:05,689 --> 01:07:10,026
because by the time I stopped
working I was so tired,

1254
01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:12,462
I couldn't think anymore.

1255
01:07:12,462 --> 01:07:13,997
I couldn't like
anything anymore.

1256
01:07:13,997 --> 01:07:15,699
I couldn't breathe anymore.

1257
01:07:15,699 --> 01:07:18,835
And I had a constant fever
which makes you dizzy and tired

1258
01:07:18,835 --> 01:07:23,307
and terrible feeling, terrible
state you get used to.

1259
01:07:23,307 --> 01:07:25,142
You get used to
feeling so miserable.

1260
01:07:25,142 --> 01:07:27,043
(somber music)

1261
01:07:31,915 --> 01:07:35,452
- I went to an emergency room
in Italy and got X-rays and

1262
01:07:35,452 --> 01:07:39,089
blood tests done to make sure
I wasn't, like, going to die.

1263
01:07:39,089 --> 01:07:43,360
- I was infected with
the MRSA bacteria

1264
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,397
due to many years of
taking antibiotics.

1265
01:07:47,397 --> 01:07:50,500
- I've been singing just
when I was feverish,

1266
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:53,637
and while I should have rested.

1267
01:07:53,637 --> 01:07:57,073
- I learned now that
every little symptom

1268
01:07:59,209 --> 01:08:01,545
you might have is one.

1269
01:08:01,545 --> 01:08:03,513
If you've got pain,
there's something wrong.

1270
01:08:03,513 --> 01:08:07,016
If you get sick,
there's something wrong.

1271
01:08:07,016 --> 01:08:09,653
And you need to stop
doing work, you know,

1272
01:08:09,653 --> 01:08:13,857
you need to give yourself
some time to recover.

1273
01:08:13,857 --> 01:08:16,160
But we live in an industry,

1274
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,230
we live in a world where
we have to keep on going.

1275
01:08:20,230 --> 01:08:21,998
You know, you'll get
praised by your colleagues.

1276
01:08:21,998 --> 01:08:24,601
Yeah, I'm sick but
I'm still here.

1277
01:08:24,601 --> 01:08:26,069
Wow, good work ethics.

1278
01:08:26,069 --> 01:08:27,737
Really?

1279
01:08:27,737 --> 01:08:31,175
No, go home before you infect
anyone else and get better.

1280
01:08:31,175 --> 01:08:33,443
- In the past when I
was on tour, I got sick,

1281
01:08:33,443 --> 01:08:35,879
I just got antibiotics
from wherever I was

1282
01:08:35,879 --> 01:08:39,483
from whichever doctor and I
wanted to get better faster

1283
01:08:39,483 --> 01:08:42,186
and in a way it kind of
broke down my immune system.

1284
01:08:42,186 --> 01:08:45,389
- I got into the hospital,
and I got cortisone shots

1285
01:08:45,389 --> 01:08:47,791
in my ass, and it, it's was.

1286
01:08:50,026 --> 01:08:51,295
- It's not bad to be sick.

1287
01:08:51,295 --> 01:08:54,498
It happens and you
need to get better.

1288
01:08:54,498 --> 01:08:56,366
You're not gonna get
better by avoiding

1289
01:08:56,366 --> 01:08:59,469
or ignoring the fact
that you're sick,

1290
01:08:59,469 --> 01:09:02,706
or that they're, you
know, minor things.

1291
01:09:02,706 --> 01:09:06,676
And I think if there's
one thing I learned

1292
01:09:06,676 --> 01:09:08,011
it's definitely that.

1293
01:09:08,011 --> 01:09:12,148
- When you are the only one
who can't really perform,

1294
01:09:13,317 --> 01:09:16,052
you have to anyway,
because there's money,

1295
01:09:16,052 --> 01:09:17,854
there's people who bought
tickets, there's people already

1296
01:09:17,854 --> 01:09:20,524
in the car, on the way
to the concert, you know.

1297
01:09:20,524 --> 01:09:22,426
- As a headliner, you
have other bands with you

1298
01:09:22,426 --> 01:09:24,428
who are depending on you,

1299
01:09:24,428 --> 01:09:27,731
and so that puts kind of
a lot of pressure on you.

1300
01:09:27,731 --> 01:09:30,066
- You have to go on,
or not, I don't know.

1301
01:09:30,066 --> 01:09:30,834
You know?

1302
01:09:33,337 --> 01:09:34,538
It's a big thing for vocalists.

1303
01:09:34,538 --> 01:09:36,306
- During the American,
North America tour

1304
01:09:36,306 --> 01:09:38,808
I was in five different
hospitals who had to take care

1305
01:09:38,808 --> 01:09:43,380
of me, and I didn't
know what was wrong.

1306
01:09:43,380 --> 01:09:45,449
It took a while before
we found that out.

1307
01:09:45,449 --> 01:09:48,552
So I did another European
tour with Sonata Arctica.

1308
01:09:48,552 --> 01:09:50,987
I had to go to the hospital
again, and they even did

1309
01:09:50,987 --> 01:09:54,524
one show without me, it was
the last show of the tour.

1310
01:09:54,524 --> 01:09:56,560
I just woke up after
being in the hospital

1311
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,396
with no voice and no energy.

1312
01:09:59,396 --> 01:10:01,798
It was in Amsterdam so they
did the show without me.

1313
01:10:01,798 --> 01:10:04,901
I think Tony even sang
the vocals on one song

1314
01:10:04,901 --> 01:10:09,739
as a tour joke, and I
was sick in bed and um.

1315
01:10:09,739 --> 01:10:11,107
- It sucked.

1316
01:10:11,107 --> 01:10:12,642
It was the one time that our
tour manager came into the bus

1317
01:10:12,642 --> 01:10:14,043
and say, Delain has
just start playing.

1318
01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:17,947
And I was like, no
because I am right here!

1319
01:10:17,947 --> 01:10:20,684
(somber music)

1320
01:10:46,876 --> 01:10:48,878
- Why did I get my burn out now?

1321
01:10:48,878 --> 01:10:53,350
Why did I not get
overworked anytime before

1322
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:56,320
because I've been working
really hard for many years

1323
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,087
and always loving
that by the way?

1324
01:10:58,087 --> 01:11:01,958
I even need a certain amount

1325
01:11:01,958 --> 01:11:03,460
of pressure and stress and work.

1326
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:05,028
- It's all or nothing.

1327
01:11:05,028 --> 01:11:07,631
And when you give it all,
then you're going to have

1328
01:11:07,631 --> 01:11:09,566
to keep giving it all, and
it's going to go faster

1329
01:11:09,566 --> 01:11:12,336
and faster and harder and
harder, and that's what it is.

1330
01:11:12,336 --> 01:11:13,870
And every time I'm like,
I'm going to burn out,

1331
01:11:13,870 --> 01:11:15,939
I'm exhausted, then a
million more things pile up

1332
01:11:15,939 --> 01:11:18,074
that I have to do.

1333
01:11:18,074 --> 01:11:21,511
There's no top to this mountain,
you just keep climbing up.

1334
01:11:21,511 --> 01:11:23,012
- What was different in the
period before the burn out

1335
01:11:23,012 --> 01:11:27,851
was that I started to do a
lot of different kind of jobs.

1336
01:11:27,851 --> 01:11:30,987
I did the management and I
did this and I did that and I

1337
01:11:33,523 --> 01:11:36,660
became a teacher and I wanted
to become a very good teacher.

1338
01:11:36,660 --> 01:11:38,662
And I wanted to be a very
good manager and I wanted to

1339
01:11:38,662 --> 01:11:43,433
understand everything about the
finances and do the invoices

1340
01:11:43,433 --> 01:11:45,435
and do everything.

1341
01:11:45,435 --> 01:11:50,407
I wanted to do a lot of
things I'm not good at either,

1342
01:11:50,407 --> 01:11:52,709
but just because I felt
that I had to do it,

1343
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:53,910
no one else could do
it better than me.

1344
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:56,312
I had to do it.

1345
01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,815
And I'm a huge perfectionist.

1346
01:12:01,184 --> 01:12:02,085
So, all those things
that I was doing

1347
01:12:02,085 --> 01:12:04,921
needed to be done perfect.

1348
01:12:04,921 --> 01:12:08,124
And I'm a good singer,
I'm a good song writer,

1349
01:12:08,124 --> 01:12:10,560
I'm a good performer.

1350
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,729
But I'm not a good manager.

1351
01:12:12,729 --> 01:12:15,732
And I'm a good teacher, but
I'm not there to organize

1352
01:12:15,732 --> 01:12:19,403
an entire school, but I
started doing that too.

1353
01:12:19,403 --> 01:12:20,837
I wanted to be involved.

1354
01:12:20,837 --> 01:12:22,506
I wanted to know everything,
understand everything,

1355
01:12:22,506 --> 01:12:26,275
and take over where I
thought it was necessary.

1356
01:12:26,275 --> 01:12:29,846
With so much you know,
grrr, it's not good.

1357
01:12:30,914 --> 01:12:33,650
So if there's one
thing I learned is that

1358
01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:35,419
there are a couple of
things I'm really good at

1359
01:12:35,419 --> 01:12:36,953
and there are a couple of
things I'm not good at.

1360
01:12:36,953 --> 01:12:39,923
And I'll focus on the
things I'm good at

1361
01:12:39,923 --> 01:12:42,559
and try to let other
people do the things

1362
01:12:42,559 --> 01:12:46,630
I'm not good at because
they'll do it better.

1363
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:48,898
And I'll feel much better.

1364
01:12:48,898 --> 01:12:51,134
It's just a different
perspective and a different way

1365
01:12:51,134 --> 01:12:55,505
of saying like, okay, this
I can do, this I can't.

1366
01:12:56,773 --> 01:12:59,776
That doesn't mean that I
don't do anything I don't like

1367
01:12:59,776 --> 01:13:04,581
or I'm not so good at, but
there's a healthier balance now.

1368
01:13:04,581 --> 01:13:07,383
- If you don't take
proper care of your body,

1369
01:13:07,383 --> 01:13:09,619
and your health in general,

1370
01:13:09,619 --> 01:13:13,890
then stuff like that
does happen more often.

1371
01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:15,859
- Very often it's
a character thing.

1372
01:13:15,859 --> 01:13:19,128
It's not necessarily
what you do.

1373
01:13:19,128 --> 01:13:20,664
It's definitely how you do it.

1374
01:13:20,664 --> 01:13:24,000
And then the amount of things
that you do plus the character

1375
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:28,304
that comes in that says, yeah
but I want to do it perfect.

1376
01:13:28,304 --> 01:13:30,039
And I'm super loyal
to the things I'll do,

1377
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:32,208
I always finish something.

1378
01:13:32,208 --> 01:13:33,443
There's no such thing as saying

1379
01:13:33,443 --> 01:13:34,878
I'll stop when my
body tells me to stop.

1380
01:13:34,878 --> 01:13:38,047
No, I'll stop when
it's finished.

1381
01:13:38,047 --> 01:13:41,685
- I don't know if I would be
able to continue at this pace,

1382
01:13:41,685 --> 01:13:43,453
physically for very long

1383
01:13:43,453 --> 01:13:45,054
because it's really
intense right now.

1384
01:13:45,054 --> 01:13:47,657
You know, I'm definitely
going to need to slow down

1385
01:13:47,657 --> 01:13:49,092
at some point, probably
right before recording

1386
01:13:49,092 --> 01:13:52,562
the next album, you know,
I'll take a little breather

1387
01:13:52,562 --> 01:13:54,798
and then head back into studio.

1388
01:13:54,798 --> 01:13:57,967
- These character things,
they're good, you know.

1389
01:13:57,967 --> 01:13:59,669
It's good to be loyal.

1390
01:13:59,669 --> 01:14:02,105
It's good to be a perfectionist
and to be ambitious.

1391
01:14:02,105 --> 01:14:06,476
It's just you need to learn
where your boundaries are.

1392
01:14:07,577 --> 01:14:10,246
And how to stop in
time and just say,

1393
01:14:10,246 --> 01:14:13,016
okay, maybe it's not perfect
but it's good so it's good.

1394
01:14:13,016 --> 01:14:15,384
And then I'm satisfied.

1395
01:14:15,384 --> 01:14:16,586
I can be happy now.

1396
01:14:16,586 --> 01:14:19,556
I can get my energy
off of it now.

1397
01:14:19,556 --> 01:14:21,491
And the things I
can't do myself,

1398
01:14:21,491 --> 01:14:24,460
I need to do, give it
away to someone else.

1399
01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:26,095
And if the other
person screws up,

1400
01:14:26,095 --> 01:14:28,364
then the other person screws up.

1401
01:14:28,364 --> 01:14:29,599
He'll do better next time.

1402
01:14:29,599 --> 01:14:30,900
You can't control it.

1403
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:33,469
And I make it sound really easy

1404
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:36,239
but I don't master it at all.

1405
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:37,206
When something needs to be done

1406
01:14:37,206 --> 01:14:39,976
I'll be the first one to do it.

1407
01:14:39,976 --> 01:14:43,947
It's really annoying and I
really have to let it go.

1408
01:14:43,947 --> 01:14:47,984
- What I do to maintain
my health is first of all,

1409
01:14:47,984 --> 01:14:52,121
also a state of mind, because
being afraid of getting sick

1410
01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:55,692
can make you sick.

1411
01:14:57,026 --> 01:14:59,362
- After the losing my voice
incident, I was extremely

1412
01:14:59,362 --> 01:15:02,498
disciplined and I wouldn't
even have a sip of alcohol.

1413
01:15:02,498 --> 01:15:03,667
But this was only bad for me,

1414
01:15:03,667 --> 01:15:05,535
because I got
totally stressed out.

1415
01:15:05,535 --> 01:15:07,470
- Stress level is
a big part of it.

1416
01:15:07,470 --> 01:15:10,940
so I find that if I'm
happy, if I'm relaxed,

1417
01:15:12,776 --> 01:15:15,612
I can conquer the world.

1418
01:15:15,612 --> 01:15:18,948
And if I'm not, everything
else will fall apart.

1419
01:15:18,948 --> 01:15:23,787
- It is kind of strange because
you want to be rock and roll

1420
01:15:23,787 --> 01:15:26,155
and you want to just go with
the flow and everything, but.

1421
01:15:26,155 --> 01:15:30,694
- I think it's a vocalist
thing, because our instrument

1422
01:15:30,694 --> 01:15:34,030
is in our body, so if
we don't maintain that,

1423
01:15:34,030 --> 01:15:37,466
then you don't, 'cause you
know, you polish the guitar,

1424
01:15:37,466 --> 01:15:38,635
you put it in the case,
and it's in the bus.

1425
01:15:38,635 --> 01:15:40,804
You don't, you know,
you don't look at it

1426
01:15:40,804 --> 01:15:42,271
anymore until the next show.

1427
01:15:42,271 --> 01:15:45,474
But we do the interviews we
do the talking, and we have

1428
01:15:45,474 --> 01:15:48,011
to sleep, and eat right, and um.

1429
01:15:49,646 --> 01:15:52,749
- This fall, we had a tour
in America with Kamelot.

1430
01:15:52,749 --> 01:15:55,885
It was very good that we had
Alissa White Gluz with us,

1431
01:15:55,885 --> 01:15:57,520
because she is vegan
and she was you know,

1432
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,656
able to direct me to
all the good places,

1433
01:15:59,656 --> 01:16:01,057
you know around the venues.

1434
01:16:01,057 --> 01:16:02,759
- I'm always concerned
with my health

1435
01:16:02,759 --> 01:16:04,761
because my instrument
is my body.

1436
01:16:04,761 --> 01:16:06,095
So, I have to make sure
that I'm sleeping enough,

1437
01:16:06,095 --> 01:16:09,565
eating the right things,
not eating the wrong things,

1438
01:16:09,565 --> 01:16:11,367
staying away from
drugs and smoke.

1439
01:16:11,367 --> 01:16:12,736
- This is actually
the first time

1440
01:16:12,736 --> 01:16:15,672
where I was very disciplined
about what I ate.

1441
01:16:15,672 --> 01:16:18,942
And also, every time that
we were near a hotel,

1442
01:16:18,942 --> 01:16:22,111
just go to whatever
kind of closet that

1443
01:16:22,111 --> 01:16:26,249
they put the gym in you know
and spend some time there.

1444
01:16:27,684 --> 01:16:31,955
And it made a huge, huge
difference for yeah, how I felt,

1445
01:16:33,089 --> 01:16:35,925
and also I feel for
how I was singing and.

1446
01:16:35,925 --> 01:16:39,295
- Singing is using your breath
in a very controlled way.

1447
01:16:39,295 --> 01:16:42,065
The breath makes your vocal
cords vibrate in that sound.

1448
01:16:42,065 --> 01:16:44,734
So, you need control
of your breath.

1449
01:16:44,734 --> 01:16:48,638
If you're out of shape,
you'll be out of breath.

1450
01:16:48,638 --> 01:16:50,606
You know, you'll
sound like a dog

1451
01:16:50,606 --> 01:16:51,240
that's just been
running all the time.

1452
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,209
(panting)

1453
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:54,243
And that's not nice.

1454
01:16:54,243 --> 01:16:56,846
And it also loses the, you know,

1455
01:16:56,846 --> 01:16:57,947
the fine tuning on the singing.

1456
01:16:57,947 --> 01:17:00,884
You can't sing the long notes.

1457
01:17:00,884 --> 01:17:04,320
The really high
notes become huh huh.

1458
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:05,621
You'll need the control.

1459
01:17:05,621 --> 01:17:06,956
- And that's really
really important.

1460
01:17:06,956 --> 01:17:11,560
But I'm not super concerned
with losing my voice

1461
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,730
or blowing it out just
because for basically

1462
01:17:13,730 --> 01:17:16,733
the past 10 years, I've
been doing you know,

1463
01:17:16,733 --> 01:17:19,903
many different kinds of growls
like black metal screams

1464
01:17:19,903 --> 01:17:22,739
and death growls and like,
power metal kinda singing

1465
01:17:22,739 --> 01:17:24,140
and operatic singing

1466
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:26,542
and I haven't lost any
range in the clean voice.

1467
01:17:26,542 --> 01:17:28,244
- Yeah, I mean, I go to the gym.

1468
01:17:28,244 --> 01:17:29,779
I run three times a week.

1469
01:17:29,779 --> 01:17:34,017
I do try to take care of my
body and maybe more so than

1470
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:39,956
if I hadn't been a singer,
especially on tour.

1471
01:17:42,792 --> 01:17:44,994
I, I'm starting to realize

1472
01:17:44,994 --> 01:17:47,296
how much of a
difference it makes.

1473
01:17:47,296 --> 01:17:48,732
- On the road it's
difficult, more difficult

1474
01:17:48,732 --> 01:17:51,400
especially when you
travel by night liner.

1475
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,739
When you fly a lot and you
have irregular days you know,

1476
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,076
and times, the only thing
you want is to sleep,

1477
01:18:00,076 --> 01:18:04,313
and then, you know, working
out becomes a real, real,

1478
01:18:04,313 --> 01:18:07,951
pain in the ass almost
because you know you have to.

1479
01:18:07,951 --> 01:18:10,820
You'll feel better but you
need to find the balance there.

1480
01:18:10,820 --> 01:18:13,823
- And I think that this
line between being relaxed

1481
01:18:13,823 --> 01:18:17,060
and being kind of, you know
having some discipline,

1482
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:19,295
it might lie somewhere
else for everybody.

1483
01:18:19,295 --> 01:18:21,330
- And don't let your
bandmates tell you you're just

1484
01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:22,832
another instrumentalist, like,
vocalists are special breeds.

1485
01:18:22,832 --> 01:18:25,401
They need more care.

1486
01:18:26,135 --> 01:18:28,204
It's true.

1487
01:18:28,204 --> 01:18:30,573
I would like it to be
different, I would like to be,

1488
01:18:30,573 --> 01:18:31,808
you know, party all night,

1489
01:18:31,808 --> 01:18:35,344
and then the day after,
sing like an angel.

1490
01:18:35,344 --> 01:18:38,948
But I, you know, you can't,
so you have to, you have to,

1491
01:18:38,948 --> 01:18:41,818
that life maintenance and that,

1492
01:18:42,886 --> 01:18:46,555
I think 50 % of being
a singer is that.

1493
01:18:46,555 --> 01:18:50,493
(audience cheering and chanting)

1494
01:18:51,828 --> 01:18:53,062
- I must admit I don't
know what it's like

1495
01:18:53,062 --> 01:18:57,233
to have a regular job
or a regular life.

1496
01:18:58,434 --> 01:19:00,103
So I can't compare it.

1497
01:19:00,103 --> 01:19:04,073
I can only tell that like
in any other business,

1498
01:19:05,274 --> 01:19:06,943
nothing happens
without a reason.

1499
01:19:06,943 --> 01:19:12,081
Nothing is just pure
luck and coincidence.

1500
01:19:12,081 --> 01:19:15,118
So that means that
everything that happens

1501
01:19:15,118 --> 01:19:18,321
is driven by some
thing or by someone.

1502
01:19:19,688 --> 01:19:22,859
And you'll need a bit
of luck and talent.

1503
01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:26,162
You need to be lucky enough to
be there at the right moment,

1504
01:19:26,162 --> 01:19:28,965
at the right place like we
were with After Forever.

1505
01:19:28,965 --> 01:19:32,535
- With After Forever it took
like five years to be able to

1506
01:19:32,535 --> 01:19:37,040
make a living from it and there
was enough income coming in.

1507
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:41,210
And with Epica it took
like three or four years.

1508
01:19:41,210 --> 01:19:45,982
So what you need in
the beginning it's a
lot of investments,

1509
01:19:45,982 --> 01:19:48,517
you need to get
all the equipment,

1510
01:19:48,517 --> 01:19:52,856
you need to get whatever
it needs to start a band.

1511
01:19:53,923 --> 01:19:57,026
But once you have
everything together

1512
01:19:57,026 --> 01:20:00,229
you can start getting
out of the debt.

1513
01:20:02,031 --> 01:20:05,134
- This job, I consider it a
job, some people don't consider

1514
01:20:05,134 --> 01:20:10,439
it a job, I do, I earn my
money with it, so it's my job.

1515
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,878
And you have to, yeah
you have to be careful

1516
01:20:14,878 --> 01:20:17,947
and it's not a very
structured workload you have,

1517
01:20:20,884 --> 01:20:23,586
it's like touring, it's
like it's in blocks

1518
01:20:23,586 --> 01:20:26,956
where you are very busy
and where it's not so busy.

1519
01:20:29,192 --> 01:20:31,961
Yeah, so you have to be aware
of that and your situation

1520
01:20:31,961 --> 01:20:34,697
at home, you should accept
that as well of course,

1521
01:20:34,697 --> 01:20:36,165
so that's very important.

1522
01:20:36,165 --> 01:20:40,169
- We can pay each other a
monthly salary and so just like

1523
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:44,807
everybody else who has a
normal job, normal job,

1524
01:20:44,807 --> 01:20:47,843
even I say mention
it like this now.

1525
01:20:50,113 --> 01:20:53,182
But I see this also of
course as a normal job,

1526
01:20:53,182 --> 01:20:56,352
but the outside world doesn't.

1527
01:20:56,352 --> 01:21:00,556
And so it's just like any
other job but the only big

1528
01:21:02,125 --> 01:21:06,295
difference is we can really
do what we really enjoy doing.

1529
01:21:06,295 --> 01:21:08,097
- What I always say
to everybody, also
when I ask I guest

1530
01:21:08,097 --> 01:21:13,769
musicians for example, money
is one thing but you only

1531
01:21:13,769 --> 01:21:15,972
do it, only be a guest
musician on my album

1532
01:21:15,972 --> 01:21:17,873
when you think it's fun.

1533
01:21:17,873 --> 01:21:20,276
If you don't think it's
fun, then don't do it.

1534
01:21:20,276 --> 01:21:23,179
- There are so many people
out there who have a job who

1535
01:21:23,179 --> 01:21:26,515
do not really enjoy their job.

1536
01:21:26,515 --> 01:21:29,285
And that's another point, I
think when you really do what

1537
01:21:29,285 --> 01:21:32,888
you like to do in life, even
though it's very hard in

1538
01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:35,591
the beginning, eventually
there's a big chance

1539
01:21:35,591 --> 01:21:37,126
that it will succeed.

1540
01:21:37,126 --> 01:21:41,998
Because when your intuition
tells you to do something,

1541
01:21:43,933 --> 01:21:48,337
I think for me especially
it's, my intuition is

1542
01:21:48,337 --> 01:21:50,039
most of the time right
and that's why I follow it

1543
01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:52,041
and that's why it
brought me already

1544
01:21:52,041 --> 01:21:55,044
so many things that
I wished for, so.

1545
01:21:58,814 --> 01:22:01,584
It happened with After Forever
and then people said yeah,

1546
01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:05,121
you were lucky, but it
happened also with Epica.

1547
01:22:05,121 --> 01:22:07,023
It cannot be luck,
just luck anymore.

1548
01:22:07,023 --> 01:22:09,225
- For some reason, there was
a little interest growing

1549
01:22:09,225 --> 01:22:12,795
in metal bands with
female singers.

1550
01:22:12,795 --> 01:22:16,599
It was new and there was The
Gathering in the Netherlands,

1551
01:22:16,599 --> 01:22:19,335
then there was Within
Temptation in the Netherlands.

1552
01:22:19,335 --> 01:22:21,737
Within this tiny
little country here,

1553
01:22:21,737 --> 01:22:23,806
there was a platform
for this music.

1554
01:22:23,806 --> 01:22:25,308
That was luck.

1555
01:22:25,308 --> 01:22:28,677
That had nothing to do with
hard work or with talent.

1556
01:22:28,677 --> 01:22:31,680
But the reason that we did get
it to that level was because

1557
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,583
of hard work, was because
of always being there,

1558
01:22:34,583 --> 01:22:38,487
was because of you know,
the effort put into getting

1559
01:22:38,487 --> 01:22:42,391
the music out there without
the use of internet,

1560
01:22:42,391 --> 01:22:45,028
'cause you know it
wasn't there yet.

1561
01:22:45,028 --> 01:22:47,063
It started to come.

1562
01:22:47,063 --> 01:22:49,132
Having your own website.

1563
01:22:49,132 --> 01:22:50,799
We had a first time
with that you know.

1564
01:22:50,799 --> 01:22:53,936
There was Myspace at first,
I don't know even if it still

1565
01:22:53,936 --> 01:22:57,873
exists or if it's big enough
but then, hey, there's Myspace.

1566
01:22:57,873 --> 01:22:59,475
We need to be on MySpace.

1567
01:22:59,475 --> 01:23:00,843
How does that work?

1568
01:23:00,843 --> 01:23:02,311
I've never.

1569
01:23:02,311 --> 01:23:03,579
You know, I remember getting
lessons on how to browse

1570
01:23:03,579 --> 01:23:06,049
on internet when I was already
do on the Rock Academie,

1571
01:23:06,049 --> 01:23:10,319
I never even had
it in high school.

1572
01:23:10,319 --> 01:23:12,021
And then I'm sure,
other older artists,

1573
01:23:12,021 --> 01:23:15,858
you know, the whole
scene is so changing.

1574
01:23:15,858 --> 01:23:17,760
But before I go to that.

1575
01:23:20,463 --> 01:23:21,630
What do you do?

1576
01:23:23,232 --> 01:23:25,334
For me, I mean, you need
to be good at the things

1577
01:23:25,334 --> 01:23:27,936
you're best in, or
the other way around,

1578
01:23:27,936 --> 01:23:29,272
best at the things
you're good at.

1579
01:23:29,272 --> 01:23:31,107
So, I trained my voice so much.

1580
01:23:33,576 --> 01:23:34,977
I sang so much.

1581
01:23:34,977 --> 01:23:37,146
I practiced so much.

1582
01:23:37,146 --> 01:23:41,284
And yeah, you have your
little company so you need

1583
01:23:41,284 --> 01:23:44,553
to understand how that works.

1584
01:23:44,553 --> 01:23:48,691
You're one element in a big
circus, big circle of people,

1585
01:23:50,559 --> 01:23:52,528
you need to understand
where you are,

1586
01:23:52,528 --> 01:23:53,662
where you want to go to.

1587
01:23:53,662 --> 01:23:55,198
There's no such thing
as a nine to five job.

1588
01:23:55,198 --> 01:24:00,103
There's no such things as
weekends or organized holidays.

1589
01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:05,774
If you want to have a
family life as an artist,

1590
01:24:05,774 --> 01:24:07,610
that's a big challenge.

1591
01:24:09,278 --> 01:24:11,214
When you don't work,
there's no money.

1592
01:24:11,214 --> 01:24:13,516
When you get sick, too bad.

1593
01:24:15,851 --> 01:24:20,189
And yeah, sure, you have your
glory moments of you know,

1594
01:24:22,125 --> 01:24:26,129
there are moment of
you know great exposure

1595
01:24:26,129 --> 01:24:29,565
and you're on the stage,
but if you consider a day

1596
01:24:29,565 --> 01:24:33,336
has 24 hours and you'll only
be on stage one and a half hour

1597
01:24:33,336 --> 01:24:35,104
of it, the rest of the time
you're doing other things,

1598
01:24:35,104 --> 01:24:39,208
and it's really not
just laying around.

1599
01:24:40,676 --> 01:24:44,547
Metal is, not the genre with
the biggest audiences compared

1600
01:24:44,547 --> 01:24:47,616
to a lot of other genres,
so also financially,

1601
01:24:47,616 --> 01:24:49,852
it's not much of
a guarantee there.

1602
01:24:49,852 --> 01:24:51,420
It's really more of a dream.

1603
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:53,522
I mean you can set a
dream for yourself,

1604
01:24:53,522 --> 01:24:55,191
I want to become a
professional metal singer,

1605
01:24:55,191 --> 01:24:57,226
I think it sounds
a bit like a dream

1606
01:24:57,226 --> 01:24:59,295
because it's a very
tough industry.

1607
01:24:59,295 --> 01:25:02,165
There is a lot of competition.

1608
01:25:02,165 --> 01:25:04,300
- The scary thing is,
is you can't disappear

1609
01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:06,469
in this industry, especially
when you're growing,

1610
01:25:06,469 --> 01:25:10,206
it's a very vulnerable, it's
a very vulnerable place to be.

1611
01:25:10,206 --> 01:25:12,175
You can't just take a break.

1612
01:25:12,175 --> 01:25:15,744
(crowd chanting)

1613
01:25:15,744 --> 01:25:18,314
First you build up your
reputation and your name.

1614
01:25:18,314 --> 01:25:21,784
And then, maybe when you're
30 or at least a decade

1615
01:25:21,784 --> 01:25:25,254
into your career, you start
making enough to survive.

1616
01:25:25,254 --> 01:25:28,191
- [Doro] Are you guys
ready to rock to death?

1617
01:25:31,394 --> 01:25:33,962
- You need to stay and ride it

1618
01:25:33,962 --> 01:25:36,765
and work it as much as you can.

1619
01:25:36,765 --> 01:25:38,267
("Rock Till Death" by Doro)

1620
01:25:38,267 --> 01:25:40,135
* Rock me while I'm alive

1621
01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:45,140
* Rock till death,
rock till death *

1622
01:25:48,644 --> 01:25:52,481
The thing about it is that
it's a labor of love because

1623
01:25:52,481 --> 01:25:55,518
first of all, this isn't a
job, I absolutely love what I'm

1624
01:25:55,518 --> 01:25:57,786
doing, so you don't mind
working all the time.

1625
01:25:57,786 --> 01:26:00,923
But the thing is you are
working all the time.

1626
01:26:00,923 --> 01:26:02,391
- There is a lot
of more hard work

1627
01:26:02,391 --> 01:26:04,927
involved than anyone
would ever think.

1628
01:26:04,927 --> 01:26:10,733
And no one, no one is going
to lift one finger for you

1629
01:26:10,733 --> 01:26:13,869
if you haven't done a massive
amount of work on your own.

1630
01:26:17,072 --> 01:26:19,842
There are no free passes.

1631
01:26:21,744 --> 01:26:23,178
- I don't know if it's
a profession at all,

1632
01:26:23,178 --> 01:26:24,947
professional metal singer.

1633
01:26:24,947 --> 01:26:26,549
That coming out of my mouth.

1634
01:26:26,549 --> 01:26:30,653
Becoming a musician, becoming
a bigger band within the genre

1635
01:26:30,653 --> 01:26:32,321
and keep on doing
that eventually

1636
01:26:32,321 --> 01:26:34,923
made me the professional
metal singer.

1637
01:26:34,923 --> 01:26:36,592
(laughing)

1638
01:26:36,592 --> 01:26:38,894
- You know I've done metal
always sort of by my own rules,

1639
01:26:38,894 --> 01:26:41,597
not that there are many
rules in metal anyways.

1640
01:26:41,597 --> 01:26:44,567
But I've always sort of
felt like okay, well,

1641
01:26:44,567 --> 01:26:47,035
I'm just gonna be me, because
I can either be like a crappy

1642
01:26:47,035 --> 01:26:50,506
version of somebody else or I
can be the best version of me.

1643
01:26:50,506 --> 01:26:52,040
So I'm gonna be the
best version of me.

1644
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,142
- You are putting
yourself out there

1645
01:26:54,142 --> 01:26:58,481
as an example
somewhat for people.

1646
01:26:58,481 --> 01:27:02,418
Mostly other girls
and younger girls.

1647
01:27:02,418 --> 01:27:06,555
- I have been having a lot of
reactions from mostly girls

1648
01:27:06,555 --> 01:27:08,991
that say wow, the way
you've been singing and your

1649
01:27:08,991 --> 01:27:14,763
performance, and your style
has been very inspiring.

1650
01:27:14,763 --> 01:27:18,267
After I heard you I really
wanted to do something similar.

1651
01:27:18,267 --> 01:27:20,636
It's really amazing
to see that happen.

1652
01:27:20,636 --> 01:27:23,672
Like, oh people have been
really picking this up.

1653
01:27:23,672 --> 01:27:25,073
- If I get that kind of
message you know, like

1654
01:27:25,073 --> 01:27:28,477
oh you've been an example
for me, yeah, it's beautiful.

1655
01:27:28,477 --> 01:27:32,615
I mean it's very, very
heartwarming and very rewarding

1656
01:27:33,816 --> 01:27:37,420
when I get messages
like that from you know,

1657
01:27:37,420 --> 01:27:39,488
like people from Mexico.

1658
01:27:39,488 --> 01:27:42,358
I just hope that I can
make those people realize

1659
01:27:42,358 --> 01:27:44,293
that nothing is given,

1660
01:27:45,461 --> 01:27:46,895
and that you have to
work really hard for it.

1661
01:27:46,895 --> 01:27:51,734
- Having a good ass and
a nice front is a plus

1662
01:27:53,636 --> 01:27:56,872
for the male fans, they
like to look at it.

1663
01:27:56,872 --> 01:28:02,077
But for a true music fan,
the music comes first.

1664
01:28:02,077 --> 01:28:06,415
So if your music sucks, the
fans will go away after a while.

1665
01:28:07,583 --> 01:28:09,017
- I think that's what
metal is all about too.

1666
01:28:09,017 --> 01:28:14,056
It's about sweat and work,
and really give it your all,

1667
01:28:14,056 --> 01:28:16,325
and you know, go full out.

1668
01:28:18,961 --> 01:28:22,765
I love that, I love it, it
makes you feel you're alive.

1669
01:28:22,765 --> 01:28:25,668
(heavy metal music)

1670
01:28:38,514 --> 01:28:41,617
(audience cheering)

1671
01:28:45,187 --> 01:28:48,023
(calm piano music)

1672
01:29:03,806 --> 01:29:08,143
I have a good connection
to all the female musicians

1673
01:29:08,143 --> 01:29:10,479
out there, or to most of them.

1674
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,882
We are usually
really great friends.

1675
01:29:13,882 --> 01:29:17,786
And I always feel I can
call my best friends.

1676
01:29:19,187 --> 01:29:21,857
If there's something, or if
there's a problem, you could

1677
01:29:21,857 --> 01:29:26,028
always call, and get some
good support, good advice.

1678
01:29:27,896 --> 01:29:29,965
Yeah, we do that,
actually, a lot.

1679
01:29:39,241 --> 01:29:40,576
- I love 'em all,
I like 'em all.

1680
01:29:40,576 --> 01:29:43,746
I've never thought
of competition,

1681
01:29:43,746 --> 01:29:46,715
like in the negative sense.

1682
01:29:46,715 --> 01:29:49,852
More like, inspiration
or motivation.

1683
01:29:52,755 --> 01:29:55,891
What's the use of trying to
compare yourself to others,

1684
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,028
because you are unique,
you're doing your thing.

1685
01:30:00,028 --> 01:30:01,997
- All the women in this
scene support one another

1686
01:30:01,997 --> 01:30:05,701
and we're happy to see
each other do well.

1687
01:30:05,701 --> 01:30:07,269
We're all friends, we
back each other up,

1688
01:30:07,269 --> 01:30:08,771
we help each other out.

1689
01:30:08,771 --> 01:30:11,073
- We have room to
flourish and to you know,

1690
01:30:11,073 --> 01:30:14,510
and to nurture new generations.

1691
01:30:23,118 --> 01:30:25,420
- Music can be something that
if you feel a certain way,

1692
01:30:25,420 --> 01:30:27,089
and you listen to music
that says exactly that

1693
01:30:27,089 --> 01:30:29,958
or maybe worse, it can be so
good for the soul, you know.

1694
01:30:29,958 --> 01:30:32,861
- I really, again, see it
as a privilege to be able

1695
01:30:32,861 --> 01:30:36,932
to make metal, and really
be successful in it,

1696
01:30:36,932 --> 01:30:39,201
and also financially
successful enough

1697
01:30:39,201 --> 01:30:41,670
to make a good living out of it.

1698
01:30:41,670 --> 01:30:45,373
I don't know if I'd still be
headbanging in the leather

1699
01:30:45,373 --> 01:30:45,974
pants when I'm 65.

1700
01:30:48,110 --> 01:30:48,877
We'll see.

1701
01:30:49,545 --> 01:30:51,814
I mean, one can dream.

1702
01:30:54,617 --> 01:30:56,885
(intense metal music)

1703
01:31:01,557 --> 01:31:03,058
You'd make a terrible roadie.

1704
01:31:09,932 --> 01:31:13,101
If you were a woman,
you would never ask it.

1705
01:31:13,101 --> 01:31:15,504
(laughing)

1706
01:31:20,342 --> 01:31:21,009
- Am I enlightened?

1707
01:31:30,118 --> 01:31:31,787
- Alright let's cut that out.

1708
01:31:31,787 --> 01:31:32,387
The name of the
band is Blackguard.

1709
01:31:32,387 --> 01:31:35,090
(laughing)

1710
01:31:42,130 --> 01:31:45,000
(thumping in the background)

1711
01:31:54,109 --> 01:31:58,080
- I think, yeah we should
probably not put it on the DVD

1712
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:02,217
in case the authorities
get it and yeah.

1713
01:32:03,451 --> 01:32:06,755
Can and will be
used against you.

1714
01:32:12,094 --> 01:32:12,895
Ah fuck.

1715
01:32:20,268 --> 01:32:22,571
(yelling)

1716
01:32:31,146 --> 01:32:33,315
(laughing)

1717
01:33:26,368 --> 01:33:28,837
- Wow man, that's real metal.