1 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:14,264 LUBBOCK, TEXAS 2 00:00:17,017 --> 00:00:20,145 Debbie was a special daughter. 3 00:00:22,147 --> 00:00:23,857 She was good. 4 00:00:24,315 --> 00:00:25,859 Friendly. 5 00:00:27,068 --> 00:00:29,779 She always helped everyone. 6 00:00:29,863 --> 00:00:31,489 MOTHER DEBBIE 7 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:35,035 But not at home. 8 00:00:37,829 --> 00:00:41,750 This photo was taken when she graduated from high school. 9 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:49,841 Debbie was 18 when she got married. 10 00:00:53,428 --> 00:00:55,013 I was eight years old. 11 00:00:55,638 --> 00:00:58,516 I sprinkled flowers at her wedding. 12 00:00:59,517 --> 00:01:01,770 I was nervous that I would mess something up. 13 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:03,146 SISTER DEBBIE 14 00:01:03,229 --> 00:01:05,273 I wanted it to work out well. 15 00:01:06,649 --> 00:01:08,943 I saw Debbie for the last time... 16 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:12,238 I'm sorry. 17 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:15,742 It was a terrible day. 18 00:01:19,037 --> 00:01:19,871 On... 19 00:01:21,623 --> 00:01:24,459 her dad's birthday. 20 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:29,380 We all went to dinner together. 21 00:01:29,798 --> 00:01:33,009 AUGUST 24, 1975 22 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:37,889 We ate and then took her home 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,058 around 8:30 p.m. 24 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,646 I was supposed to stay with her for the night. 25 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:54,739 But for some reason in place Mom decided not to. 26 00:02:00,578 --> 00:02:03,706 I always felt that if I were there, it would be different. 27 00:02:10,547 --> 00:02:14,634 Her husband Doug called us. 28 00:02:16,803 --> 00:02:21,850 He told us to come, because Debbie is dead. 29 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:28,314 It was terrible. 30 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:34,279 I will never forget this moment. 31 00:02:38,074 --> 00:02:40,952 THE WOMAN WAS BLASTED 15 times POLICE LOOKING FOR A MOTIVE 32 00:02:41,035 --> 00:02:42,287 FIVE WEEKS OF INVESTIGATION 33 00:02:42,370 --> 00:02:44,497 Nobody had any other ideas 34 00:02:44,581 --> 00:02:48,084 except that maybe she had a fight with someone. 35 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:49,711 MURDERER STILL AT LAND 36 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:51,963 We never lost hope, 37 00:02:52,881 --> 00:02:53,715 that... 38 00:02:54,340 --> 00:02:56,259 they will catch the murderer. 39 00:02:58,761 --> 00:03:03,141 For nine years there were no leads. 40 00:03:06,144 --> 00:03:08,980 We had no strength left. 41 00:03:12,483 --> 00:03:15,403 When the police called 42 00:03:16,738 --> 00:03:19,782 that someone confessed 43 00:03:20,116 --> 00:03:21,910 we didn't know who it was 44 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:23,828 but... 45 00:03:24,787 --> 00:03:26,414 it didn't matter. 46 00:03:27,582 --> 00:03:29,876 We were very happy. 47 00:03:30,376 --> 00:03:32,253 We had a lot of emotions. 48 00:03:33,213 --> 00:03:34,881 This news has reached us 49 00:03:35,256 --> 00:03:37,717 We thought it was over. 50 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:44,849 My parents went immediately listen to this confession 51 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:47,268 and learn something about the person 52 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:49,062 who killed my sister. 53 00:03:51,773 --> 00:03:55,276 And that's when it started another nightmare. 54 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:58,863 Henry Lee Lucas appeared in our lives. 55 00:04:02,617 --> 00:04:06,204 NETFLIX - ORIGINAL DOCUMENTARY SERIES 56 00:04:40,154 --> 00:04:42,699 Lucas says that he killed over 150 women. 57 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:45,743 He is credited with 170 murders. 58 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:47,537 As many as 189 murders in 24 states. 59 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:50,873 Murdered at least 360 people including her own mother. 60 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:54,752 Henry Lee Lucas confessed to kill 600 people. 61 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:58,172 My victims didn't know what awaited them. 62 00:04:58,464 --> 00:05:00,133 Gunshots 63 00:05:00,341 --> 00:05:02,510 strangulation, beating. 64 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:06,514 I participated in real crucifixions. 65 00:05:07,223 --> 00:05:08,182 TEXAS GUARDIAN 66 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:12,228 The last person he killed meant less than a cigarette. 67 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:15,189 It didn't matter to me, I didn't feel anything. 68 00:05:15,857 --> 00:05:18,192 Like drinking water. 69 00:05:18,359 --> 00:05:20,278 It didn't mean anything to me. 70 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:28,911 GEORGETOWN PRISON 71 00:05:30,955 --> 00:05:35,626 FEBRUARY 1984 NUMBER OF CONFIRMED MURDERS: 47 72 00:05:38,046 --> 00:05:40,381 Henry was in Georgetown, Texas. 73 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:44,969 At the head of the prison was Sheriff Jim Boutwell. 74 00:05:46,012 --> 00:05:49,390 Boutwell gave me full access to Henry. 75 00:05:50,725 --> 00:05:53,269 And it went like that for about half a year. 76 00:05:55,229 --> 00:05:58,399 No one had such access to him. 77 00:05:58,483 --> 00:05:59,317 JOURNALIST 78 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,652 They didn't trust journalists. 79 00:06:02,236 --> 00:06:03,654 And they trusted me. 80 00:06:04,405 --> 00:06:05,656 Hello. 81 00:06:09,494 --> 00:06:10,953 When I was there 82 00:06:12,121 --> 00:06:14,707 moved freely. 83 00:06:15,625 --> 00:06:17,377 No handcuffs. 84 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:20,046 Handcuffs? 85 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:24,926 Let's talk about Jim Boutwell. 86 00:06:25,009 --> 00:06:26,302 A unique man. 87 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:27,553 SHERIFF 88 00:06:27,637 --> 00:06:29,514 What is your relationship? 89 00:06:30,556 --> 00:06:33,017 I see him as a friend, not a sheriff. 90 00:06:35,436 --> 00:06:37,188 He treats me well, 91 00:06:37,271 --> 00:06:40,942 he did things for me, 92 00:06:41,484 --> 00:06:43,945 which he wouldn't do for other prisoners. 93 00:06:44,737 --> 00:06:48,908 Boutwell and Lucas had an unusual bond. 94 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:53,788 Henry told me that the sheriff is like a dad to him. 95 00:06:54,163 --> 00:06:56,707 Boutwell did for Henry 96 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:58,126 everything. 97 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:02,213 We're going to lunch, Henry. Shall I bring you something? 98 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,173 No, 99 00:07:04,632 --> 00:07:08,803 unless you find it somewhere milkshake. 100 00:07:09,345 --> 00:07:10,638 I'll think of something. 101 00:07:11,681 --> 00:07:15,101 He brought it to him every day strawberry shake. 102 00:07:16,602 --> 00:07:19,147 He praised him in front of everyone. 103 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,940 What he's doing now 104 00:07:21,023 --> 00:07:25,194 is very valuable for law enforcement and humanity. 105 00:07:26,529 --> 00:07:29,115 It must be admitted 106 00:07:29,532 --> 00:07:33,786 that even though he doesn't have to explain these things, 107 00:07:33,870 --> 00:07:35,663 knows she doesn't have to talk 108 00:07:37,081 --> 00:07:40,501 but I want to explain them. 109 00:07:42,086 --> 00:07:44,172 Henry never had a life like this. 110 00:07:44,547 --> 00:07:45,590 He ate well, 111 00:07:46,048 --> 00:07:47,049 drank 112 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:50,011 he had as many cigarettes as he wanted. 113 00:07:52,221 --> 00:07:56,100 In the course of your work I've always tried to treat people like this... 114 00:07:56,184 --> 00:07:57,101 TASK FORCE 115 00:07:57,185 --> 00:07:59,854 ...how I would like to be treated. 116 00:08:01,272 --> 00:08:02,982 We brought him cigarettes 117 00:08:03,232 --> 00:08:06,944 or we asked the officers to bring them to him. 118 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:08,696 I guess you like these. 119 00:08:09,530 --> 00:08:12,533 If I smoked, I would like to be treated like this. 120 00:08:13,910 --> 00:08:16,662 Boutwell and the Texas Rangers 121 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:20,458 formed a task force to unravel 122 00:08:20,958 --> 00:08:23,669 hundreds of murders he confessed to. 123 00:08:24,670 --> 00:08:27,798 Henry was behaving as if he were a member of this group. 124 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:32,011 He often talked by phone with the services 125 00:08:32,094 --> 00:08:35,556 throughout the country helping them solve their cases. 126 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:37,934 It looked weird. 127 00:08:38,142 --> 00:08:40,978 I don't know if I can find it on the map. I have to look. 128 00:08:43,231 --> 00:08:46,984 We had it in the office map of the United States. 129 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:51,364 When one of the officers determined 130 00:08:51,447 --> 00:08:54,116 that Lucas was connected to the case 131 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,662 we stuck a pin in this place. 132 00:08:59,997 --> 00:09:03,834 Policemen came from all over the country to solve your affairs. 133 00:09:04,335 --> 00:09:06,671 - You talked for a long time? - An hour and a half. 134 00:09:06,754 --> 00:09:09,340 You are close to arrest 135 00:09:09,423 --> 00:09:12,218 or bringing charges in any of these cases? 136 00:09:12,385 --> 00:09:13,261 Pretty close. 137 00:09:13,844 --> 00:09:15,221 Both or one? 138 00:09:15,805 --> 00:09:17,515 We can't talk about it. 139 00:09:17,932 --> 00:09:22,061 It was the most important moment of my career for many of these policemen. 140 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,316 Possibility to talk and smoke a cigarette 141 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,946 and maybe even a meal together with the greatest murderer in the world. 142 00:09:32,488 --> 00:09:35,157 Thank you for your time 143 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:37,702 on behalf of myself and the Pennsylvania Police. 144 00:09:38,369 --> 00:09:41,539 These policemen were solving their cases, 145 00:09:41,622 --> 00:09:44,250 they shook his hand and patted him on the back. 146 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:45,918 Where did we end? 147 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:51,340 I guess it's because I killed that girl and that was my 70th victim. 148 00:09:52,174 --> 00:09:55,011 He had never felt so important in his life. 149 00:09:55,344 --> 00:09:58,556 Suddenly everyone wanted to talk with Henry Lucas. 150 00:09:58,806 --> 00:10:00,975 Is it possible 151 00:10:01,392 --> 00:10:03,019 that you murdered her? 152 00:10:03,978 --> 00:10:06,689 When the cops were coming talk to him 153 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:10,693 I told them to believe him only if when they can confirm his words. 154 00:10:10,818 --> 00:10:13,863 If he liked a cop, he did anything 155 00:10:13,946 --> 00:10:16,574 to take responsibility for a given crime. 156 00:10:17,116 --> 00:10:19,118 If this cannot be confirmed, 157 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:21,203 can't be trusted. 158 00:10:21,579 --> 00:10:24,248 I scattered them over the land... 159 00:10:24,415 --> 00:10:27,460 He liked to impress people with these what he did. 160 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,464 I wanted to teach law enforcement something. 161 00:10:31,672 --> 00:10:33,883 Instead of hiding what he did 162 00:10:33,966 --> 00:10:36,594 started to exaggerate it. 163 00:10:36,761 --> 00:10:38,471 Anything but poisoning. 164 00:10:38,554 --> 00:10:39,472 Everything? 165 00:10:40,806 --> 00:10:43,768 Sometimes I met on site 166 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:47,521 people from two or three departments at the same time. 167 00:10:48,105 --> 00:10:50,941 Everyone had two hours. 168 00:10:51,317 --> 00:10:52,985 This is the dining room 169 00:10:54,695 --> 00:10:55,863 and living room. 170 00:10:57,573 --> 00:10:59,617 You can't come and say: 171 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:02,912 “Listen, you killed 300 people across the country. 172 00:11:02,995 --> 00:11:04,205 RETIRED GUARD 173 00:11:04,288 --> 00:11:07,792 Tell me about the one I have in mind.” You have to give him something. 174 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:11,087 Does this mean anything to you? 175 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:14,715 He reacted better when he saw the victim's photo. 176 00:11:15,508 --> 00:11:18,844 I accosted this woman in this car. 177 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:24,433 I once walked into the office to talk to the guards 178 00:11:25,726 --> 00:11:27,728 and he was looking through the documentation, 179 00:11:28,229 --> 00:11:32,316 which was sent to the task force. 180 00:11:33,234 --> 00:11:35,820 There were photos from crime scenes. 181 00:11:36,570 --> 00:11:38,739 The next day the police arrived, 182 00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:41,909 and he already knew what highway are we talking about 183 00:11:42,118 --> 00:11:43,953 what the house looked like. 184 00:11:44,036 --> 00:11:46,205 Sign... 185 00:11:46,455 --> 00:11:49,166 Sometimes in a few hours 186 00:11:49,291 --> 00:11:51,502 solved six murder cases. 187 00:11:51,794 --> 00:11:54,171 Sign as you wish. 188 00:11:55,631 --> 00:11:58,467 Boutwell said: "We solved six cases." 189 00:11:58,551 --> 00:11:59,635 PRISON PRIEST 190 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:01,262 And Bob Prince said: 191 00:12:01,971 --> 00:12:06,434 “I promised Henry a shake for every case. 192 00:12:06,934 --> 00:12:09,311 So there will be six in total. 193 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:11,439 Do you want one a day? 194 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:15,067 Henry replied, "Sure.." 195 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:16,610 Strawberry. 196 00:12:17,111 --> 00:12:20,030 Six matters... 197 00:12:20,489 --> 00:12:22,491 Six murder cases. 198 00:12:24,910 --> 00:12:28,748 Clemmie was convinced that her role is not only... 199 00:12:28,831 --> 00:12:29,665 JOURNALIST 200 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:33,419 ...Henry's spiritual support, 201 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:37,923 but also emotional. She was careful 202 00:12:38,007 --> 00:12:40,259 that he experienced these conversations 203 00:12:40,342 --> 00:12:42,011 after returning to the cell. 204 00:12:43,929 --> 00:12:47,808 He wanted to please Clemmie at all costs. 205 00:12:48,225 --> 00:12:51,395 He's never had a friend like that. 206 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,190 He loved her gifts. 207 00:12:54,815 --> 00:12:57,067 If it weren't for her, honestly 208 00:12:57,151 --> 00:12:58,778 I couldn't do it 209 00:12:59,236 --> 00:13:02,698 relive these things. 210 00:13:04,325 --> 00:13:07,286 He was moody. 211 00:13:08,037 --> 00:13:12,792 Boutwell knew that Henry was more willing to cooperate 212 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:16,504 if Clemmie thought it was a good idea. 213 00:13:16,587 --> 00:13:19,632 They often persuaded Clemmie, 214 00:13:19,715 --> 00:13:21,425 that they need her help. 215 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:26,847 Sheriff Boutwell said the families were waiting 216 00:13:27,515 --> 00:13:31,727 to find out are their loved ones Henry's victims. 217 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:33,562 Those poor people. 218 00:13:34,146 --> 00:13:36,232 He said: “Just convince him, 219 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:39,485 Sister Clemmie, and I will take care of the rest.” 220 00:13:45,741 --> 00:13:48,786 They solved case after case, 221 00:13:48,869 --> 00:13:51,997 Henry was already under threat several life sentences. 222 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:56,001 But about the Orange Socks 223 00:13:56,961 --> 00:13:58,587 changed everything. 224 00:14:00,631 --> 00:14:03,008 He faced the death penalty. 225 00:14:05,302 --> 00:14:07,596 The case was nicknamed Orange Socks. 226 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:11,851 Woman's body found in the canal north of Georgetown. 227 00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:14,019 She was called Orange Socks, 228 00:14:14,103 --> 00:14:17,314 is the only element of identity that Lucas left her. 229 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,195 It was an unsolved case murders of a woman on I-35. 230 00:14:25,322 --> 00:14:27,783 She was assigned to Sheriff Boutwell. 231 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:31,287 I know he committed that he will do everything in his power... 232 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:32,204 LUCAS'S ATTORNEY 233 00:14:32,288 --> 00:14:35,583 ...to find the killer Orange Socks. 234 00:14:35,791 --> 00:14:38,669 - Is that a girl... - The same. 235 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:40,629 - ...which one did you take? - Yes. 236 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:41,755 Okay. 237 00:14:42,214 --> 00:14:45,801 Sheriff Boutwell says that Lucas confessed to the murder 238 00:14:45,926 --> 00:14:49,179 and described the details that only the killer could know. 239 00:14:49,263 --> 00:14:50,931 He looked at the photo 240 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:53,350 and after a while he said, 241 00:14:53,601 --> 00:14:57,855 that the girl was a hitchhiker, which he took near Oklahoma City. 242 00:14:58,355 --> 00:15:00,524 He said she was strangled. 243 00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:05,696 I stopped, I grabbed her by the neck and choked her. 244 00:15:07,239 --> 00:15:08,949 I had sex with her again. 245 00:15:10,659 --> 00:15:11,827 I came down here. 246 00:15:13,412 --> 00:15:14,705 I threw it there. 247 00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:16,206 She landed on her side. 248 00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:18,542 In only socks. 249 00:15:24,131 --> 00:15:27,843 I didn't kill the girl in orange socks. 250 00:15:28,052 --> 00:15:30,554 I can prove it. 251 00:15:32,681 --> 00:15:34,308 When we were alone 252 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:37,394 Henry didn't confess about this girl. 253 00:15:38,187 --> 00:15:40,731 He said he was working in Florida at the time. 254 00:15:42,691 --> 00:15:44,485 And Orange Socks? 255 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,530 - Let's put it this way... - They won't get mad. 256 00:15:48,614 --> 00:15:50,991 - You did it. - The case is already closed, 257 00:15:51,075 --> 00:15:52,785 let's leave it. 258 00:16:00,751 --> 00:16:03,629 I knew I had to check 259 00:16:04,213 --> 00:16:08,300 is what Henry says true? 260 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,808 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 261 00:16:15,891 --> 00:16:19,353 I went to Jacksonville, where he worked. 262 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:23,232 I would never have thought 263 00:16:23,315 --> 00:16:26,110 that Henry will become a murderer 264 00:16:26,193 --> 00:16:28,612 because he was normal, quiet. 265 00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:31,782 The whole family loved him, we got along. 266 00:16:31,865 --> 00:16:32,825 It was... 267 00:16:33,534 --> 00:16:35,244 hard working family. 268 00:16:35,577 --> 00:16:38,247 You don't believe he killed these people? 269 00:16:38,455 --> 00:16:39,957 No. 270 00:16:40,916 --> 00:16:42,376 He was a good boy. 271 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:47,381 It turned out that he had a great memory. 272 00:16:48,298 --> 00:16:50,509 He told me where he sold scrap metal. 273 00:16:50,592 --> 00:16:52,469 Where he bought the insurance. 274 00:16:52,636 --> 00:16:55,305 Where he was in custody. 275 00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:57,891 His stories came true. 276 00:16:59,643 --> 00:17:00,936 I found... 277 00:17:01,812 --> 00:17:02,896 real evidence. 278 00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:05,065 If you call, they will tell you the time. 279 00:17:05,149 --> 00:17:08,527 I found a place where Lucas cashed the check 280 00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:12,156 the day before the murder Orange Socks. 281 00:17:12,781 --> 00:17:16,702 He came to withdraw the money every week. 282 00:17:17,995 --> 00:17:20,414 I found documents that confirmed 283 00:17:20,998 --> 00:17:22,875 that he was at work 284 00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:26,295 a few hours before the murder that girl. 285 00:17:26,628 --> 00:17:28,589 One thousand eight hundred kilometers away. 286 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:34,011 Why would he drive such a joke? to kill someone he didn't know? 287 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:36,263 This is ridiculous. 288 00:17:38,849 --> 00:17:40,809 When I returned to Georgetown, 289 00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:47,024 I told Boutwell about it. He was always friendly to me. 290 00:17:47,816 --> 00:17:51,195 He stated that Lucas did it, because he confessed to him. 291 00:17:51,278 --> 00:17:54,114 Lucas mentioned things 292 00:17:54,198 --> 00:17:56,033 that no one asked about 293 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,744 described them in detail 294 00:17:59,328 --> 00:18:02,372 pointed to crime scenes 295 00:18:02,456 --> 00:18:06,502 and told the officers what they will find over the next hill. 296 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:11,381 Services across the country are monitoring this case. 297 00:18:11,465 --> 00:18:15,511 Some are waiting to file charges until the end of the process 298 00:18:15,594 --> 00:18:19,098 and the jurors' decisions about it Will Lucas get the death penalty? 299 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:22,434 I knew Henry was a killer 300 00:18:22,851 --> 00:18:25,104 and a liar 301 00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:29,399 but I thought he shouldn't get the death penalty for the crime, 302 00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:31,527 with whom he had nothing to do. 303 00:18:32,069 --> 00:18:34,071 I went to his lawyers. 304 00:18:35,614 --> 00:18:38,492 Don and I were co-counsel about Lucas. 305 00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:41,411 When Henry told us 306 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:43,705 that he wasn't in Texas 307 00:18:44,331 --> 00:18:46,959 We asked why he was confessing. 308 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:50,003 According to him, 309 00:18:50,754 --> 00:18:53,298 and he told us that before starting the process 310 00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:55,843 tried to commit legal suicide. 311 00:18:57,636 --> 00:19:00,597 He was extremely remorseful after Becky's murder. 312 00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:05,018 Becky was the only one who treated him 313 00:19:05,102 --> 00:19:08,772 with love and respect. 314 00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:11,525 I KILLED THE ONLY WOMAN I LOVED 315 00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:13,610 He wanted to die 316 00:19:14,069 --> 00:19:16,113 but if he took his own life 317 00:19:16,488 --> 00:19:19,324 wouldn't go to heaven where Becky was. 318 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:23,537 He thought that the state would kill him 319 00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:28,000 and thanks to this he will go to heaven, to Becky. 320 00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:34,464 I never studied about something like that, studies 321 00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:36,550 I haven't heard of legal suicide. 322 00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:39,845 Of course, we did not refer to this in court. 323 00:19:41,346 --> 00:19:43,015 I stopped and... 324 00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:45,642 Henry, I remind you 325 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:51,398 for what you say You may face the death penalty. 326 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:54,651 I have to say it I can't help it. 327 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:59,031 Please don't make a statement and interrupted this conversation. 328 00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:04,036 Usually the accused tries to help your lawyer 329 00:20:04,161 --> 00:20:05,329 and dismiss the charges. 330 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:07,706 It was irritating... 331 00:20:09,499 --> 00:20:12,586 represent someone who doesn't cooperate with you 332 00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:15,214 in such a case. 333 00:20:16,256 --> 00:20:19,092 So many times... 334 00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:21,136 Mr Higginbotham and I 335 00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:23,805 we were leaving prison and... 336 00:20:25,182 --> 00:20:26,433 What's going on here? 337 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:29,269 Do you want to get the death penalty? 338 00:20:29,353 --> 00:20:30,270 I'll get it. 339 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:32,356 He said he would get it? 340 00:20:32,981 --> 00:20:37,444 I broke out in the second week, when the jury was selected 341 00:20:37,527 --> 00:20:39,821 and I flew to Jacksonville. 342 00:20:40,113 --> 00:20:42,699 I found four witnesses. 343 00:20:44,534 --> 00:20:45,661 In prison 344 00:20:46,161 --> 00:20:49,998 I met Henry's friend Ottis Tool. 345 00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:54,253 I remembered what he was wearing 346 00:20:54,378 --> 00:20:56,797 T-shirt with a cartoon print. 347 00:20:58,882 --> 00:20:59,883 He was... 348 00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:03,136 devastatingly stupid. 349 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:06,098 I'll show you the photos 350 00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:09,059 victim, her body. 351 00:21:10,227 --> 00:21:11,937 We are investigating... 352 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:16,108 Ottis had no idea what am I talking about besides 353 00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:19,903 that I was one of Henry's lawyers. 354 00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:22,197 And he wanted to help Henry. 355 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:27,244 Henry and Ottis Toole 356 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,831 they competed with each other 357 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:33,333 they were trying to impress each other. 358 00:21:34,876 --> 00:21:37,212 When I asked Ottis a question replied: 359 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,007 "What did Henry say?" 360 00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:42,050 He wanted to fit in. 361 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,511 I advised... 362 00:21:44,594 --> 00:21:45,679 What does he say? 363 00:21:45,762 --> 00:21:47,389 - Are you listening? - He won't get... 364 00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:50,350 No, I want to know what do you have to say. 365 00:21:50,434 --> 00:21:52,311 And I want to know what he says. 366 00:21:55,439 --> 00:21:59,943 When I met him, he said he loved Henry. 367 00:22:00,235 --> 00:22:04,114 "Whatever he said, I agree with him." 368 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:07,242 We will always be together. 369 00:22:07,451 --> 00:22:08,285 Yes. 370 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:11,705 It's your decision. 371 00:22:11,788 --> 00:22:14,291 Sure, I'm still thinking about you. 372 00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:17,044 Me too about you. I have a picture of you in my cell. 373 00:22:17,127 --> 00:22:18,503 I love yours too. 374 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:23,133 My conversations with Lucas and Ottis 375 00:22:23,925 --> 00:22:26,261 that was a load of bullshit. 376 00:22:26,386 --> 00:22:29,222 Just bragging. 377 00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:31,725 When they were together, they turned each other on. 378 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:37,606 What made me think to cook these people? 379 00:22:38,065 --> 00:22:41,026 Does this mean I'm a cannibal? 380 00:22:41,276 --> 00:22:42,903 You weren't a cannibal. 381 00:22:42,986 --> 00:22:45,322 I told you it was the devil's fault... 382 00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:47,616 I sucked their blood. 383 00:22:47,866 --> 00:22:48,909 I know. 384 00:22:49,576 --> 00:22:51,495 I wanted to see what it tastes like. 385 00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:56,333 Some tasted like regular meat, when the sauce was added. 386 00:22:56,666 --> 00:22:57,834 You know how it is. 387 00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:00,545 I asked Lucas 388 00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:03,673 why Ottis makes up these stories 389 00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:06,676 about grilling and eating people. 390 00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:10,263 Henry replied: "Because I'm famous.." 391 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:11,807 He was jealous 392 00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:15,268 and he wanted to, so everyone knows about it. 393 00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:18,855 How many people have you killed, Henry? 394 00:23:19,147 --> 00:23:20,357 One hundred and fifty. 395 00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:24,820 - Alone? - No. 396 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:31,493 I accompanied you sometimes, didn't I? 397 00:23:32,327 --> 00:23:34,329 If you want to confess, that's OK. 398 00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:36,998 It's up to you... 399 00:23:37,082 --> 00:23:40,627 It doesn't matter what you did. I still care about you. 400 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:41,670 I know. 401 00:23:44,506 --> 00:23:46,508 As long as we understand each other 402 00:23:46,716 --> 00:23:48,969 we know the truth about ourselves... 403 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:50,595 That's all I want. 404 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:07,571 I need to take a walk. 405 00:24:16,204 --> 00:24:20,667 The hearings started today in the trial of Henry Lee Lucas. 406 00:24:21,209 --> 00:24:23,753 So far, he has not faced the death penalty. 407 00:24:24,796 --> 00:24:28,717 Prosecutors are trying to prove mainly with the help of Lucas' testimony, 408 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,928 that he actually killed unidentified hitchhiker 409 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:34,806 found north of Georgetown in 1979. 410 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:38,435 In a surprising recording we hear Sheriff Jim Boutwell, 411 00:24:38,518 --> 00:24:41,229 who gives Lucas key details 412 00:24:41,313 --> 00:24:43,064 concerning this murder. 413 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:44,941 Boutwell translated 414 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:47,986 that he was just refreshing Lucas' memory. 415 00:24:49,821 --> 00:24:50,947 At this time 416 00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:53,074 began to have doubts. 417 00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:56,495 He wanted to back out, but he knew how. 418 00:24:57,412 --> 00:24:58,747 He was afraid. 419 00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:03,502 Looks like the defense will come out tomorrow. 420 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,922 There is ongoing speculation as to whether Ottis Elwood Toole 421 00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:09,299 will testify as a defense witness. 422 00:25:09,382 --> 00:25:11,551 According to our sources – no. 423 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:15,889 No one in their right mind he wouldn't call him as a witness, 424 00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:18,391 who is supposed to help with the case. 425 00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:20,977 Ottis didn't help us at all. 426 00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:25,815 We had witnesses from Florida, 427 00:25:25,899 --> 00:25:28,401 who testified for the defense. 428 00:25:29,694 --> 00:25:32,531 Employee of a construction company 429 00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:34,991 confirmed the notes from the day the woman died. 430 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:39,287 Attorney Parker McCullough asked: "Did Lucas work that day?" 431 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:41,122 "Yes, he got a check that day." 432 00:25:41,623 --> 00:25:43,375 - "How do you know?" - "I gave it to him." 433 00:25:44,042 --> 00:25:47,295 “You saw Lucas on this particular job?” 434 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:48,380 "Yes." 435 00:25:49,339 --> 00:25:51,800 Lawyers use two lines of defense: 436 00:25:51,883 --> 00:25:54,928 Lucas' alibi on the day of the murder was supposed to work in Florida, 437 00:25:55,011 --> 00:25:56,763 and his insanity. 438 00:25:57,347 --> 00:26:01,017 But prosecutors quote Lucas himself, to refute these arguments. 439 00:26:01,142 --> 00:26:03,436 Lucas claimed that he paid off people in Florida 440 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,647 who were to testify that he was at work at the time. 441 00:26:06,189 --> 00:26:09,067 The psychiatrist said Lucas was a sociopath 442 00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:10,569 without remorse 443 00:26:10,652 --> 00:26:14,239 as well as a sexual deviant and a necrophiliac. 444 00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:16,783 But it's within normal limits. 445 00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:19,619 After presenting the evidence 446 00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:22,831 the only one smiling was the defendant, Henry Lee Lucas. 447 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:26,835 His lawyers however, they lost their self-confidence 448 00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:29,337 which we have seen in recent days. 449 00:26:30,213 --> 00:26:31,881 We have come to a conclusion 450 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:35,927 that the only way to save Henry from the death penalty 451 00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:38,388 is to let him testify. 452 00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:40,765 I prepared it for three hours 453 00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:44,853 to testify the next morning. 454 00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:48,815 I told the lawyers that I didn't do it. 455 00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:52,611 I told the sheriff too. 456 00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:56,197 I gave you the information about work notes 457 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:58,742 and then I said they weren't real. 458 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,036 So are they real or not? 459 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:01,953 They are. 460 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:03,955 Will you say it tomorrow? 461 00:27:04,164 --> 00:27:04,998 Yes. 462 00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:09,210 I had a good feeling. 463 00:27:09,794 --> 00:27:11,171 I'm arriving in the morning 464 00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:13,673 and I ask: "Are you ready?." 465 00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:14,883 Today is an important day. 466 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,886 And Henry said, "I won't do it." 467 00:27:19,137 --> 00:27:19,971 I said: 468 00:27:21,014 --> 00:27:21,931 “Wait a minute. 469 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:25,310 Twelve hours ago 470 00:27:25,393 --> 00:27:26,936 you were willing to testify.” 471 00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:29,314 "I can't." 472 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,150 Someone must have talked to him. 473 00:27:32,567 --> 00:27:35,195 Someone met him that evening 474 00:27:35,278 --> 00:27:38,657 or in the morning before I arrived at his place. 475 00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:43,453 I am absolutely convinced that Henry refused to testify 476 00:27:43,536 --> 00:27:45,872 in my defense 477 00:27:46,164 --> 00:27:48,708 because he didn't want to perform against the sheriff. 478 00:27:52,128 --> 00:27:55,048 That's where we ended the matter. 479 00:27:55,757 --> 00:27:58,343 That was the end of Henry Lee Lucas' defense. 480 00:27:59,552 --> 00:28:02,097 After hearing the verdict in San Angelo 481 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:05,266 Henry Lee Lucas, sentenced to death for murder, 482 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:07,060 left court smiling. 483 00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:09,312 Is this suicide for you? 484 00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:12,023 Yes, because I did not commit this crime. 485 00:28:12,982 --> 00:28:15,902 - Why are you happy? - I got what I wanted. 486 00:28:18,488 --> 00:28:20,156 He got what he wanted. 487 00:28:22,283 --> 00:28:25,370 I guess I should congratulate him. 488 00:28:26,955 --> 00:28:27,789 But... 489 00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:30,417 I have done and will do everything 490 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:34,087 to prevent this from happening. 491 00:28:35,922 --> 00:28:38,633 Personally, I was very disappointed, 492 00:28:39,175 --> 00:28:41,428 that... 493 00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:46,015 I was part of a big mistake. 494 00:28:47,016 --> 00:28:53,523 Such a harsh sentence impressed me. 495 00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:55,984 I realized 496 00:28:56,234 --> 00:29:00,947 that this man he got himself the death penalty 497 00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:03,241 and conviction. 498 00:29:07,495 --> 00:29:11,207 For now though, Lucas will not be transferred to death row, 499 00:29:11,291 --> 00:29:14,043 and will remain in Williamson Jail 500 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:17,213 to help the task force in solving cases 501 00:29:17,338 --> 00:29:19,174 in which he was allegedly involved. 502 00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:23,470 The easiest thing would be to move it 503 00:29:23,553 --> 00:29:25,388 immediately after conviction. 504 00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:27,932 That would be the easiest. 505 00:29:28,016 --> 00:29:34,355 But we can't do this to people, who mourn missing loved ones. 506 00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:38,985 Department of Public Safety claims to be explained 507 00:29:39,152 --> 00:29:42,989 as many cases as possible before the death penalty Lucas will be executed. 508 00:29:44,991 --> 00:29:46,743 Lucas is leaving Texas, 509 00:29:46,826 --> 00:29:49,454 to continue meetings throughout the country. 510 00:29:49,537 --> 00:29:52,123 The authorities do not want to reveal his schedule, 511 00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:55,001 but they report that these visits will last until September. 512 00:29:55,418 --> 00:29:57,921 Lucas has arrived in New Orleans 513 00:29:58,004 --> 00:30:01,174 and confessed to 30 murders in our region. 514 00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,260 He's never been on a plane before. 515 00:30:04,844 --> 00:30:08,389 Suddenly he was flying all over the country 516 00:30:08,515 --> 00:30:10,350 and confessed to the murders. 517 00:30:10,683 --> 00:30:14,187 Shoulder to shoulder with the police and drinking hectoliters of coffee, 518 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,689 visits crime scenes. 519 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:19,234 He was arrogant. 520 00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:21,778 When we were supposed to fly to California, 521 00:30:22,111 --> 00:30:25,990 said he wanted one a TV in each of his cells. 522 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:30,370 We were in California about five or seven days. 523 00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,914 And he had a TV in his cell. 524 00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:36,251 I would like to inform you 525 00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:40,004 that 15 that have not yet been explained murder cases 526 00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:43,049 managed to close thanks to a recent visit 527 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:47,345 serial killer Henry Lee Lucas. 528 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,724 Lucas pointed out to the local authorities crime scenes across the state. 529 00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:54,435 I have a record here 530 00:30:55,061 --> 00:30:59,399 different locations. It's hard to believe. 531 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,902 He committed every possible crime. 532 00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:06,447 Literally every one. 533 00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,034 He personally took the investigators 534 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:15,331 at the sites of over 100 crimes. 535 00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:19,210 He was treated like a movie star. 536 00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:20,670 I'll hold it for you. 537 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:23,798 People come to me 538 00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:26,509 and they ask why I do it. 539 00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:31,389 The answer is simple. Because God asked me to do it. 540 00:31:32,056 --> 00:31:34,475 If it weren't for Him, I would never have confessed. 541 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:38,897 I can point correctly 542 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,940 places 543 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:43,902 give details of what happened there. 544 00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:56,205 LUBBOCK, TEXAS 545 00:31:58,374 --> 00:32:01,544 Henry Lee Lucas was in Lubbock yesterday 546 00:32:01,628 --> 00:32:05,924 and pointed it out to the investigators several crime scenes, including a shelter, 547 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:10,261 where the body was found in 1975 Deborah Sue Williamson. 548 00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:15,433 The information he provided was as follows detailed that it terrified the authorities. 549 00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:18,561 In a sense, the investigators were relieved 550 00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,481 that they managed to solve this case. 551 00:32:26,819 --> 00:32:29,822 The police called 552 00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:32,241 and we went there on Monday. 553 00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:33,868 POLICE 554 00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:36,371 They showed us his statement, 555 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,831 described how he entered the house. 556 00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:42,085 He said he was in 557 00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:44,587 through the glass door. 558 00:32:45,922 --> 00:32:51,135 Opposite the patio door permanent large shop window. 559 00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:54,013 He couldn't get through there. 560 00:32:54,472 --> 00:32:57,850 He claims he passed hallway to bedroom 561 00:32:58,351 --> 00:33:01,688 and went out the back door. 562 00:33:04,607 --> 00:33:06,401 That's not true. 563 00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:12,782 We told the investigators that we don't believe him 564 00:33:13,157 --> 00:33:15,034 he couldn't do it. 565 00:33:15,326 --> 00:33:18,079 How could you accept it? 566 00:33:19,622 --> 00:33:21,165 We were furious. 567 00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:25,670 We went to the media with it. 568 00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,756 Bob and Joyce Lemons are parents one of the victims 569 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,675 Henry's crimes. 570 00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:35,096 At first, Mr. and Mrs. Lemons were happy that their daughter's murderer had been caught. 571 00:33:35,304 --> 00:33:37,849 But then they listened to the recordings from the hearing. 572 00:33:38,099 --> 00:33:40,977 His confession assured us 573 00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:43,521 that he has no idea about this matter. 574 00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:47,400 I cannot comment on the evidence. 575 00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:48,317 PROSECUTOR 576 00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:52,030 This is their opinion I don't agree with her. 577 00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:54,532 He was amazed 578 00:33:54,615 --> 00:33:57,744 that we don't believe in it what he wants to tell us. 579 00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:02,582 He was dissatisfied, that we undermined this recording. 580 00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:06,294 We had no support. 581 00:34:08,337 --> 00:34:10,173 We decided 582 00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:13,217 that we will conduct our own investigation. 583 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,971 They wanted to reopen her case 584 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:19,557 and determine whether Henry did it or not. 585 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:25,605 They spent 586 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:30,193 long months talking to people 587 00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:34,197 and collecting documentation concerning Henry's whereabouts. 588 00:34:34,697 --> 00:34:36,199 Joyce and me 589 00:34:36,324 --> 00:34:39,952 we were forced to do this 590 00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:43,164 to do the work of law enforcement. 591 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:46,793 We went with Bob Lemons to Maryland, 592 00:34:47,168 --> 00:34:50,379 to trace places, where Henry went. 593 00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:52,924 - Your name? - Betty M. Crawford. 594 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:55,134 We found Betty Crawford, 595 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:57,804 Lucas' ex-wife. 596 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,598 We obtained the document 597 00:35:00,973 --> 00:35:03,476 certifying that they were married on 598 00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:08,231 Pennsylvania murders which Lucas admitted to. 599 00:35:09,023 --> 00:35:11,818 What feelings did you have to Henry Lucas? 600 00:35:12,318 --> 00:35:15,446 He's a sick, perverted man. 601 00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:17,573 I found out... 602 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:20,910 that he molested my oldest daughters. 603 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:26,207 They slowly discovered who he was and where he was. 604 00:35:26,999 --> 00:35:29,252 He couldn't be in Texas, 605 00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:30,628 when Debbie was killed. 606 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:36,884 Debbie was murdered August 24, 1975 607 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:41,597 We found out that Henry is out of prison 608 00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:44,142 August twenty-second. 609 00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:49,689 He called from the bus station in Perryville, 610 00:35:50,439 --> 00:35:52,316 to come and get him. 611 00:35:53,317 --> 00:35:57,488 He lived with his half-sister 612 00:35:57,697 --> 00:35:59,824 when Debbie was killed. 613 00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:04,537 You think he wasn't in Texas the evening Debbie died? 614 00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:06,122 We know he wasn't here. 615 00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:08,499 We know where he was. In Maryland 616 00:36:08,791 --> 00:36:13,045 During these trips and during my time in Maryland 617 00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:19,135 We didn't meet anyone who ever talked 618 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,095 with investigators, 619 00:36:21,721 --> 00:36:23,014 with a guard, 620 00:36:23,556 --> 00:36:25,683 with anyone from Texas. 621 00:36:28,936 --> 00:36:32,732 We went to Georgetown to meet Bob Prince. 622 00:36:34,483 --> 00:36:37,778 I knew about Lemons, 623 00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:42,909 about being criticized in the media law enforcement agencies. 624 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:44,827 They lost a child. 625 00:36:45,369 --> 00:36:49,248 They suffered like this how any parent would suffer. 626 00:36:50,291 --> 00:36:54,420 But they vented their anger... 627 00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:57,006 on the wrong people. 628 00:36:57,757 --> 00:37:01,469 Bob Lemons and his wife they came to my office one day 629 00:37:01,636 --> 00:37:05,264 and they demanded I would talk to them about this matter. 630 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,643 We had documents with us. 631 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:10,853 We told him 632 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:12,813 that these are the facts. 633 00:37:13,022 --> 00:37:15,733 Henry couldn't do it. 634 00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:17,610 I told them right away 635 00:37:19,111 --> 00:37:21,989 that I don't know anything and I can't say anything. 636 00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,492 They would have to talk to the authorities in Lubbock. 637 00:37:24,867 --> 00:37:27,620 It made them very angry. 638 00:37:30,498 --> 00:37:31,958 Mr. Lemons... 639 00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:34,752 We thought there would be a fight. 640 00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:37,004 Bob Prince said 641 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:40,841 that we either go out alone or they'll throw us out. 642 00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:43,719 What did you think about their investigation? 643 00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:45,429 Lemons? 644 00:37:45,888 --> 00:37:48,683 No comment. 645 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:53,145 They spent years investigating the Lucas case. 646 00:37:57,692 --> 00:37:59,068 I'm not interested in that. 647 00:38:03,739 --> 00:38:08,035 NOVEMBER 1984 NUMBER OF CONFIRMED CASES: 198 648 00:38:08,828 --> 00:38:11,497 I could demonstrate 649 00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:14,709 that many murders, which Lucas claimed 650 00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:19,005 he couldn't commit because he was not in those places. 651 00:38:20,047 --> 00:38:22,300 I went to the Dallas Times Herald. 652 00:38:24,343 --> 00:38:26,721 After a few hours they agreed. 653 00:38:27,138 --> 00:38:29,390 They gave me the best reporter. 654 00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:32,852 I didn't really deal with crimes. 655 00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:33,769 JOURNALIST 656 00:38:33,853 --> 00:38:35,938 I used to do this when I was young. 657 00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:40,860 I've never been one of those people, who think criminals are interesting. 658 00:38:42,862 --> 00:38:46,407 But we started talking about the history of Henry Lucas 659 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:50,036 and Hugh said, that maybe we can prove 660 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:52,830 that he could not have committed ok. 20 of these crimes. 661 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,083 It quickly turned out 662 00:38:56,917 --> 00:38:59,170 that this number was much larger. 663 00:39:02,131 --> 00:39:06,385 It was surprisingly easy to figure out where Lucas was coming 664 00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:10,014 after 1975, that is, after he was released from prison. 665 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:16,896 He worked and went to the dentist. 666 00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:21,108 Speeding tickets bank statements, debts. 667 00:39:21,984 --> 00:39:25,863 His dog relieved himself in the park and Henry had problems because of it. 668 00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:30,284 He left Lucas behind lots of traces in documents. 669 00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:34,413 He wasn't such a bum at all, as described. 670 00:39:35,831 --> 00:39:41,128 Jim and I got the report task force. 671 00:39:42,505 --> 00:39:47,176 First of all, we had to sort things out these matters chronologically. 672 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,553 There were maybe 200 of them. 673 00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:52,681 Since released from prison in 1975 674 00:39:53,432 --> 00:39:57,436 until 1983, when he went to prison in Montague County. 675 00:39:59,063 --> 00:40:03,109 It was immediately visible that it's one big lie. 676 00:40:05,694 --> 00:40:09,156 Some sheriff from Minnesota called and asked: 677 00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:11,784 "You've got something on Henry." June 2? 678 00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:16,122 They looked at the list of crimes on the wall and they replied: 679 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:19,417 "No, he was available that day." 680 00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:22,378 Added: June 2. 681 00:40:23,337 --> 00:40:27,133 And the phone again. "Is June 4th free?" 682 00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:28,759 Sure. 683 00:40:29,051 --> 00:40:29,885 So... 684 00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:32,263 June 2 in Minneapolis 685 00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:33,889 and the fourth of June 686 00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:37,143 in Seattle or El Paso. 687 00:40:37,518 --> 00:40:38,727 We were immediately struck by it. 688 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,361 According to them, Lucas committed the murder 689 00:40:47,486 --> 00:40:50,906 in Spokane, Washington October 2nd 690 00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,368 then he drove over 3,000 kilometers 691 00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:57,496 for an attempted kidnapping on October 4th, 692 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,878 then further over 900 kilometers – homicide in Saline, Arkansas on the 7th, 693 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:10,384 then 1,500 kilometers, New Mexico, where he killed on October sixteenth. 694 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:16,474 Then 1,600 kilometers – murder in Nevada 11 days later. 695 00:41:17,224 --> 00:41:22,771 Then another 2,500 kilometers, homicide in Bossier City, Louisiana 696 00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,607 twenty-ninth. 697 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:29,570 Next 3,300 kilometers to kill two days later 698 00:41:30,529 --> 00:41:35,284 and 3,200 back for another murder. 699 00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:40,331 It's just impossible. 700 00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:43,834 Even if they flew on a cruise missile 701 00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:47,296 They wouldn't be able to moving so fast. 702 00:41:48,797 --> 00:41:51,217 Lucas would have to be constantly traveling. 703 00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:53,135 Eighty km/h, 704 00:41:53,469 --> 00:41:55,304 no sleep, 705 00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:56,889 without stops, 706 00:41:56,972 --> 00:41:58,933 refueling, nothing. 707 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,604 Where is the limit of absurdity? 708 00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:05,898 Since it's obvious, 709 00:42:06,899 --> 00:42:10,152 why wasn't there one for guards 710 00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:12,279 and Sheriff Boutwell? 711 00:42:13,572 --> 00:42:15,783 Lucas was constantly traveling. 712 00:42:16,325 --> 00:42:19,703 He loved to drive and live in a car. 713 00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:24,583 Fuel money he gained through murder and theft. 714 00:42:25,042 --> 00:42:28,379 I don't think Henry Lucas knows how many people he killed. 715 00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,674 I don't think anyone knows. 716 00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:36,220 But I'm convinced it's the biggest one 717 00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:39,098 serial killer in the history of our country. 718 00:42:43,185 --> 00:42:47,982 I traveled a lot at that time, trying to figure out Lucas' story. 719 00:42:48,983 --> 00:42:52,111 Once upon a time when I came back I found a broken window in the house. 720 00:42:52,736 --> 00:42:56,532 Camera, TV and the rest were untouched. 721 00:42:57,616 --> 00:43:00,369 But many of my recordings were lost. 722 00:43:01,287 --> 00:43:03,414 Cassettes that were stolen 723 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:06,375 included interviews with Henry Lee Lucas. 724 00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:09,003 I moved to Maryland... 725 00:43:09,295 --> 00:43:11,297 I knew a lot of Dallas cops, 726 00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:13,632 but I knew they were on the right track, 727 00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:16,218 so I didn't report it. 728 00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:19,597 Some time later I ran into Boutwell. 729 00:43:19,722 --> 00:43:23,642 He said, “I'm sorry because of this break-in at your place.” 730 00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:26,312 The media didn't talk about it. 731 00:43:26,687 --> 00:43:30,816 No one but my closest friends he didn't know about this break-in. 732 00:43:35,904 --> 00:43:39,908 WACO, TEXAS 733 00:43:42,244 --> 00:43:44,705 I remember hearing about Henry Lucas. 734 00:43:44,788 --> 00:43:47,583 Probably before I became district prosecutor. 735 00:43:47,666 --> 00:43:49,835 Maybe during the campaign. 736 00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:54,673 "Oh, this guy confessed again!" 737 00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:02,097 The Texas Rangers called me, saying he confessed 738 00:44:02,598 --> 00:44:04,683 to three crimes in my county. 739 00:44:04,767 --> 00:44:07,978 They wanted to bring him back to plead guilty. 740 00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:12,316 For a young, ambitious prosecutor 741 00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:15,277 handing Lucas' affairs on a platter 742 00:44:15,736 --> 00:44:17,821 which he won't even deny 743 00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:21,325 it was a real gift, free publicity. 744 00:44:21,408 --> 00:44:23,577 As if someone gave it to me 745 00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:27,414 chocolate cake with a cherry on top. 746 00:44:27,498 --> 00:44:30,125 It would help me in my political career. 747 00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:35,172 I would wait in line with the rest, until they take a photo of me 748 00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,550 they would take this monster away and goodbye. 749 00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:45,307 But when the guards They sent me details of these matters, 750 00:44:45,766 --> 00:44:49,269 I began to have doubts. 751 00:44:50,312 --> 00:44:55,025 I knew he didn't kill Dorothy Collins, because we knew the actual perpetrator. 752 00:44:55,734 --> 00:45:01,281 I also looked more closely the cases of Glen Parks and Rita Salazar. 753 00:45:02,282 --> 00:45:07,204 As for Rita, confession I found Henry funny. 754 00:45:07,621 --> 00:45:11,500 I was already experienced then, I participated in trials 755 00:45:11,667 --> 00:45:15,963 and I knew what she looked like true confession. 756 00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:20,217 The Case of Miss Salazar raised my doubts. 757 00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:24,555 Then I went to Truman. 758 00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:29,768 Truman Simon was a deputy sheriff at the district attorney's office 759 00:45:29,852 --> 00:45:31,854 homicide. 760 00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:35,315 I asked him to find out 761 00:45:35,399 --> 00:45:37,276 where was Henry Lucas 762 00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:39,445 during these two murders. 763 00:45:39,528 --> 00:45:42,614 Checked TCIC and NCIC. 764 00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:46,034 These are criminal records for Texas 765 00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:49,329 and for the whole country. We didn't have the Internet back then. 766 00:45:49,955 --> 00:45:53,250 We only had a small screen in the basement 767 00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:56,170 connected to these two databases. 768 00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:07,848 When I checked it in the national registry, 769 00:46:07,931 --> 00:46:10,142 various locations are displayed. 770 00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:15,606 We found 11 or 12 dates, 771 00:46:15,981 --> 00:46:17,649 when Henry 772 00:46:18,233 --> 00:46:21,904 was in prison or got a ticket 773 00:46:21,987 --> 00:46:25,157 in completely different places than those where murders occurred 774 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,242 which have already been attributed to him. 775 00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:31,705 One time I worked late. 776 00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:36,794 Truman came to my office, white as a wall. 777 00:46:36,919 --> 00:46:39,254 He said, “You won't believe what happened. 778 00:46:40,506 --> 00:46:45,052 I wanted to check on Lucas in the national criminal register 779 00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:47,971 find information about it. 780 00:46:48,263 --> 00:46:49,556 The screen flickered 781 00:46:50,098 --> 00:46:53,227 and after a while the text appeared: "Access Denied". 782 00:46:55,729 --> 00:46:57,731 My jaw dropped. 783 00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:04,488 We have a guest 784 00:47:04,571 --> 00:47:07,825 who is allegedly a serial killer and so on 785 00:47:07,908 --> 00:47:12,621 and they want to hide information about him before other services. 786 00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:15,749 Strange. I've never had anything like this I haven't met one. 787 00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:22,381 I knew it was across from us there are very influential people. 788 00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:25,384 Someone will have to suffer 789 00:47:25,884 --> 00:47:28,136 and I was afraid it would be me. 790 00:49:07,444 --> 00:49:09,446 Subtitles: Paulina Korzeniewska