1 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:17,517 - Most of the projects I initially worked on 2 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:18,893 were very strange movies, 3 00:00:18,894 --> 00:00:21,604 so you couldn't really hang them on any kind of peg. 4 00:00:21,605 --> 00:00:23,147 But then I discovered that certain things 5 00:00:23,148 --> 00:00:24,190 in my work scared them. 6 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:26,400 If I talked about the supernatural or something 7 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:28,152 or there was a murder or something in the story, 8 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:28,904 this would scare people. 9 00:00:28,905 --> 00:00:30,404 Although they might be not be relevant to it, 10 00:00:30,405 --> 00:00:31,572 or they might be misunderstanding it 11 00:00:31,573 --> 00:00:33,116 and I was able to pick up on that. 12 00:00:40,123 --> 00:00:42,166 - I first heard of Richard Stanley in the early '90s 13 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:43,417 when hardware was coming out. 14 00:00:43,418 --> 00:00:45,753 At the time we were used to horror directors 15 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:47,880 having beards and looking like your dad, 16 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:50,550 and then here was this sort of young, hot guy. 17 00:00:50,551 --> 00:00:53,761 He had the long hair and a very mysterious look 18 00:00:53,762 --> 00:00:55,555 and the wide—brimmed hat 19 00:00:55,556 --> 00:00:57,890 that became associated with him over the years, 20 00:00:57,891 --> 00:01:01,227 making this brand new film that was unlike a lot of the films 21 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:03,563 that had been leading up to it in the '80s. 22 00:01:03,564 --> 00:01:06,440 - I was very struck by Richard Stanley's vision. 23 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:08,150 It was kind of different from anything else 24 00:01:08,151 --> 00:01:09,318 that had been going on. 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,362 His use of color and light and music 26 00:01:11,363 --> 00:01:14,907 and really creating this unique dystopian vision for his story. 27 00:01:14,908 --> 00:01:17,868 - I still think it's one of the most important genre films 28 00:01:17,869 --> 00:01:19,829 of the '90s, but woven throughout it 29 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:22,832 was this sort of esoteric witchiness 30 00:01:22,833 --> 00:01:26,210 which is sort of a trademark of Richard Stanley's works 31 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:27,587 and his life in general. 32 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:30,923 Richard Stanley was casting this spell on you 33 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:32,383 when you watched his films. 34 00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:34,051 - I was brought up by a strong mother 35 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:36,679 who was involved in witchcraft, anthropology, and stuff, 36 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,472 stayed on the road the whole time, 37 00:01:38,473 --> 00:01:40,850 but she was a very good mother in that she was very unstable 38 00:01:40,851 --> 00:01:45,479 and gave me a kind of disastrous upbringing 39 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,608 that was largely responsible for what I am today. 40 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:49,692 - It was a huge hit. 41 00:01:49,693 --> 00:01:52,153 I mean in genre terms it was definitely a huge hit, 42 00:01:52,154 --> 00:01:53,946 and it was definitely something where 43 00:01:53,947 --> 00:01:55,364 this guy was the next big thing. 44 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:57,408 You know, this was somebody you wanted to see 45 00:01:57,409 --> 00:01:58,160 what he was going to do next, 46 00:01:58,161 --> 00:02:00,411 and it was largely because of the success of hardware 47 00:02:00,412 --> 00:02:02,788 that miramax worked with him on dust devil. 48 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:04,832 - Miramax's view on Richard? 49 00:02:08,211 --> 00:02:10,212 Good question. 50 00:02:10,213 --> 00:02:15,760 Um... I think that they like Richard 51 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:20,848 in a way that they like what he was with hardware. 52 00:02:20,849 --> 00:02:21,808 - After dust devil, 53 00:02:21,809 --> 00:02:25,061 Richard gets the opportunity to direct the island of Dr. Moreau. 54 00:02:25,062 --> 00:02:26,896 - We just thought that Richard Stanley 55 00:02:26,897 --> 00:02:28,147 doing island of Dr. Moreau 56 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:29,649 was one of the most exciting projects 57 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:30,983 we'd heard of in a while. 58 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:33,569 He was someone who had worked on the independent side, 59 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:35,655 but now he was getting the backing of a studio. 60 00:02:35,656 --> 00:02:37,573 - This is going to be a huge project, 61 00:02:37,574 --> 00:02:39,659 and this is going to propel Richard Stanley 62 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:43,705 into the super stardom that he deserves as an auteur. 63 00:03:56,445 --> 00:03:58,362 - Okay. - Well, here we have a mound of 64 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:01,490 rather tatty surviving artworks from Dr. Moreau 65 00:04:01,491 --> 00:04:03,242 that gives some brief glimpse 66 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:06,328 into the workhouse of filthy creation. 67 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:08,914 A lot of the beast people are going to be wearing masks 68 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:11,000 just the same as human beings in, 69 00:04:11,001 --> 00:04:14,295 I guess, pagan tribes and faiths wear animal masks, 70 00:04:14,296 --> 00:04:16,881 we wanted the beast people to be wearing human masks. 71 00:04:16,882 --> 00:04:19,759 And the sloth-people, they weren't very bright. 72 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,343 I originally wanted them to be stop-motion 73 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:22,053 or something like that. 74 00:04:22,054 --> 00:04:24,388 I wanted a couple of stop-motion creates in there. 75 00:04:24,389 --> 00:04:26,056 I think it happens in a rather different way 76 00:04:26,057 --> 00:04:27,641 in the frankenheimer movie. 77 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:29,727 One of the shots used would have never gotten in 78 00:04:29,728 --> 00:04:31,395 the finished new line version, 79 00:04:31,396 --> 00:04:35,066 mutant baby sucks a mutant nipple, happily. 80 00:04:37,861 --> 00:04:39,195 I'd first come across the book, 81 00:04:39,196 --> 00:04:40,780 in fact, the same copy I've got here, 82 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:44,909 which is a first edition in my father's bookshelf. 83 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:47,036 When I was very small, four or five, 84 00:04:47,037 --> 00:04:49,663 I remember being drawn to it, 85 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:51,207 probably because it was bright red, 86 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:52,917 and it's got some interesting plates in it. 87 00:04:52,918 --> 00:04:55,127 And I'm being warned off by my parents, 88 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:57,588 who consistently told me it was too scary, 89 00:04:57,589 --> 00:04:59,882 which, of course, drew me to it very strongly, 90 00:04:59,883 --> 00:05:01,717 and I read it as fast as I could. 91 00:05:01,718 --> 00:05:07,097 It's a book about humanity, about man and nature, 92 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:08,808 man and god, 93 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:10,184 civilization 94 00:05:10,185 --> 00:05:12,394 and essentially what it means to be human. 95 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:14,855 It's a vast, complex book 96 00:05:14,856 --> 00:05:17,608 written right at the height of the British empire, 97 00:05:17,609 --> 00:05:21,153 and I think spurred by dannin's theory on 98 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:22,947 the origin of the species 99 00:05:22,948 --> 00:05:24,740 and in the book Moreau's been hounded out 100 00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:27,535 of conventional society in London by anti—vivisectionists 101 00:05:27,536 --> 00:05:29,411 who have been obviously appalled by what he is doing. 102 00:05:29,412 --> 00:05:32,790 Aflayed dog escapes from his laboratory in London, 103 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:35,417 which causes a controversy in the newspapers, 104 00:05:35,418 --> 00:05:36,919 the Moreau horrors. 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,754 He's forced to try to find a place in the world 106 00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:40,339 where he's able to work in isolation 107 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:43,717 without conventional society looking over his shoulder. 108 00:05:43,718 --> 00:05:46,428 To a large extent he is a metaphor for god. 109 00:05:46,429 --> 00:05:49,056 He is the creator-being. 110 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:52,101 He created the beast-people. They're not experiments. 111 00:05:52,102 --> 00:05:53,978 They are things which had never existed before. 112 00:05:53,979 --> 00:05:55,187 In a curious footnote, 113 00:05:55,188 --> 00:05:59,650 Wells was a close friend at that point in time of Joseph Conrad. 114 00:05:59,651 --> 00:06:02,695 And about one year later, Conrad turned in a book called 115 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:03,988 heart of darkness 116 00:06:03,989 --> 00:06:06,657 which caused Wells and Conrad to fall out bitterly 117 00:06:06,658 --> 00:06:08,742 as Wells' claimed that Conrad was essentially 118 00:06:08,743 --> 00:06:10,661 ripping off island of Dr. Moreau 119 00:06:10,662 --> 00:06:13,581 and that the character of Kurtz in heart of darkness 120 00:06:13,582 --> 00:06:16,083 was based on Moreau, 121 00:06:16,084 --> 00:06:17,793 certainly structurally there's similarities 122 00:06:17,794 --> 00:06:18,628 between the two books. 123 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:22,089 The narrator spends the entire story journeying towards 124 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:24,133 the island in island of Dr. Moreau 125 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:27,303 and eventually getting up to finally addressing Moreau 126 00:06:27,304 --> 00:06:28,929 and asking what it's all about 127 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:31,223 in the same what way that the narrator Marlow 128 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:32,850 journeys upriver to find Kurtz. 129 00:06:32,851 --> 00:06:34,977 - Certainly with heart of darkness, 130 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:40,649 Kurtz's character has retreated from mankind per se 131 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:42,526 and certainly civilization. 132 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:45,070 - Conrad defended the accusations of plagiarism 133 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:47,072 by claiming that, in fact, he had based 134 00:06:47,073 --> 00:06:49,783 the character of Kurtz, not on Dr. Moreau, 135 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:51,869 but on the celebrated African traveler 136 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:53,245 sir Henry Morton Stanley. 137 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:54,705 - What's interesting, 138 00:06:54,706 --> 00:06:57,583 as far as Richard's concerned, that his great—grandfather, 139 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,251 Henry Morton Stanley, 140 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:00,878 was considered to be one of... 141 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:02,796 The main basis of Kurtz's character. 142 00:07:02,797 --> 00:07:05,132 It seems, of course, that Stanley did kind of give him 143 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:07,009 this megalomaniac texture, 144 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:10,387 and it seems like he was less than gentle 145 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:12,390 with the locals, shall we say. 146 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,694 - The book was first adapted to the screen in 1932 147 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:29,615 by erle c. Kenton under the title island of lost souls. 148 00:07:29,616 --> 00:07:31,158 Wells was still alive at the time 149 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:34,620 and was bitterly disappointed by the film adaption. 150 00:07:34,621 --> 00:07:37,539 He felt it was a terrible bastardization of his work; 151 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,249 and to some extent he's right, 152 00:07:39,250 --> 00:07:41,001 although island of lost souls 153 00:07:41,002 --> 00:07:44,046 is probably the most effective screen adaptation. 154 00:07:44,047 --> 00:07:47,424 Charles laughton chooses to play Moreau as a gloating sadist 155 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:49,593 who spends much the movie twirling his mustachios 156 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:51,220 and reclining chaise lounge. 157 00:07:51,221 --> 00:07:52,972 It's a very memorable portrayal, 158 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:55,891 although very far from the humane, 159 00:07:55,892 --> 00:07:58,227 god—like figure envisioned by Wells. 160 00:07:58,228 --> 00:08:01,063 It also compresses the narrative in a way which 161 00:08:01,064 --> 00:08:04,191 I think every subsequent adaptation copied 162 00:08:04,192 --> 00:08:06,860 in that they're always only interested in the beast-people 163 00:08:06,861 --> 00:08:07,821 overthrowing Moreau, 164 00:08:07,822 --> 00:08:09,571 and that's usually the end of the movie; 165 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:13,075 whereas, in the Wells' book the beast people liberate themselves 166 00:08:13,076 --> 00:08:14,952 just after the halfway Mark in the book, 167 00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:16,578 and things really become problematic 168 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:17,579 once the beast people 169 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:19,540 try to run the island for themselves. 170 00:08:19,541 --> 00:08:22,376 Wells knew that simply by giving control of the island 171 00:08:22,377 --> 00:08:25,212 to the beast folk things could not possibly get any better. 172 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:28,048 Things would only backslide into anarchy and chaos. 173 00:08:28,049 --> 00:08:29,466 After island of lost souls, 174 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:31,260 there were a slew of illegitimate adaptions, 175 00:08:31,261 --> 00:08:33,178 such as Eddie romero's twilight people 176 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:34,722 from the Philippines, 177 00:08:34,723 --> 00:08:35,806 "test tube terrors, 178 00:08:35,807 --> 00:08:38,809 half man, half beast... All monster“ 179 00:08:38,810 --> 00:08:41,228 and terror is a man with Francis lederer. 180 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:44,148 The next official adaptation happened in 1977 181 00:08:44,149 --> 00:08:45,983 and was directed by Don Taylor 182 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:48,902 and featured Burt Lancaster in the Moreau part, 183 00:08:48,903 --> 00:08:51,155 Burt Lancaster actually did a pretty good job. 184 00:08:51,156 --> 00:08:54,283 Unfortunately, the movie's pretty ham—fisted. 185 00:08:54,284 --> 00:08:56,869 I saw the Don Taylor version at my local cinema 186 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:58,328 when I was a kid. 187 00:08:58,329 --> 00:08:59,663 It has the distinction of probably being 188 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:00,914 the first movie I ever saw 189 00:09:00,915 --> 00:09:03,876 which angered me so much. I wanted my money back. 190 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:07,087 I was a big fan of the original, and I was deeply disappointed. 191 00:09:07,088 --> 00:09:09,006 Amongst other things, was confused by the fact 192 00:09:09,007 --> 00:09:11,508 that there was a woman turning into a panther on the poster 193 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:14,344 of the movie, which never happened in the film. 194 00:09:14,345 --> 00:09:16,430 And I guess from that moment onwards, 195 00:09:16,431 --> 00:09:20,559 the germ of the idea started to gestate in my mind, 196 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,771 and I was determined to do it justice, 197 00:09:23,772 --> 00:09:25,564 to try and adapt the story in a way 198 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:27,692 that could actually work for the screen. 199 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:37,701 Shortly after dust devil, my second film, 200 00:09:37,702 --> 00:09:40,662 I found myself washed up in London without a bean. 201 00:09:40,663 --> 00:09:42,748 I had never been paid my second half of my fee. 202 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,583 The films rights were a complete mess. 203 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:46,001 To get it back and finish it, 204 00:09:46,002 --> 00:09:50,339 I had to basically borrow resources and leverage 205 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:51,507 pretty much everything; 206 00:09:51,508 --> 00:09:53,467 so I was probably $40,000 in the red. 207 00:09:53,468 --> 00:09:55,594 Even then, I knew on the back of dust devil, 208 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:57,596 I didn't have the political clout 209 00:09:57,597 --> 00:09:59,598 to be really able to get Dr. Moreau made. 210 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,517 I mean, after dust devil, I was finding it hard 211 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:02,477 just to get gigs. 212 00:10:02,478 --> 00:10:03,769 - He had written a script, 213 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:06,438 and we had a quick conversation on the phone, 214 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:08,440 and he at that point said, 215 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:10,943 “can we actually put together some sort of basic image? 216 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:12,486 It would be of the script cover, 217 00:10:12,487 --> 00:10:13,862 to try and drum up the interest.“ 218 00:10:13,863 --> 00:10:17,449 and we then thought perhaps actually extending that further. 219 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:19,409 We recreated a couple of scenes 220 00:10:19,410 --> 00:10:22,246 from the imagined finished product. 221 00:10:22,247 --> 00:10:24,206 - I sincerely believe that if Wells was alive now, 222 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:26,125 he would write it differently. 223 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:30,379 There's no way that Wells now would set the story in 1895. 224 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:32,422 Plainly, the story would be set in the present. 225 00:10:32,423 --> 00:10:35,342 It's not a story about the past but is about the near future. 226 00:10:35,343 --> 00:10:37,928 - The images... the first one we produced was 227 00:10:37,929 --> 00:10:42,724 actually an image of Dr. Moreau with a newborn creature, 228 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:43,434 one of the lambs, 229 00:10:43,435 --> 00:10:45,018 with what actually looked like a halo around his head. 230 00:10:45,019 --> 00:10:48,313 So the whole point was to almost sort of play on the whole virgin 231 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:50,190 and baby Jesus image. 232 00:10:50,191 --> 00:10:52,359 - The dog—men are not entirely obeying his orders too, 233 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,569 because we can see behind Moreau's back, 234 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:54,862 some of the dog-men are actually 235 00:10:54,863 --> 00:10:57,114 licking the blood off the surgical instruments, 236 00:10:57,115 --> 00:10:58,824 and way in the back in the background in the tank, 237 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:02,411 we see a big, three-eyed, intelligent cthuloid octopus. 238 00:11:02,412 --> 00:11:05,038 There were going to be sea creatures as well. 239 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:07,833 - From that we decided actually..We produced 240 00:11:07,834 --> 00:11:12,296 a series of 12 images echoing the stations of the cross 241 00:11:12,297 --> 00:11:15,257 which began with this basic birth, 242 00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:16,176 birth of the baby Jesus, 243 00:11:16,177 --> 00:11:17,968 and then with the sort of crucifixion scene the end, 244 00:11:17,969 --> 00:11:19,803 which was actually Moreau's own death. 245 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:21,180 - Moreau was originally conceived 246 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:23,473 was actually nothing like Marlon Brando. 247 00:11:23,474 --> 00:11:25,309 I think I had originally talked to jiirgen prochnow 248 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:26,935 about playing the part. 249 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:29,479 I wanted Moreau to be something, a little bit of a new ager. 250 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,981 In some of the earlier pictures, 251 00:11:30,982 --> 00:11:33,859 we see he's still got the long hair and beard. 252 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:36,653 I was making him into some type of a composite of 253 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:39,156 Timothy leary and John Lilly 254 00:11:39,157 --> 00:11:40,991 the dolphin communication expert. 255 00:11:40,992 --> 00:11:43,285 As important as the character of Dr. Moreau 256 00:11:43,286 --> 00:11:44,870 were the beast-people. 257 00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:46,747 They were going to be civilized, at least more so 258 00:11:46,748 --> 00:11:48,957 than we've seen in the previous Moreau versions. 259 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:51,001 They've decorated themselves. They've got piercings. 260 00:11:51,002 --> 00:11:53,670 They've got some degree of beast-person civilization. 261 00:11:53,671 --> 00:11:55,255 There is no cat-lady in book. 262 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:56,506 The panther woman was added 263 00:11:56,507 --> 00:11:57,799 in the in the erie c. Kenton movie 264 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,801 in the process of making it more Hollywood, 265 00:11:59,802 --> 00:12:01,678 and we, in return, retained her. 266 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,265 In reality, aissa, our cat-lady is drawn from another novel. 267 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:08,018 We stole it from outcast of the islands, 268 00:12:08,019 --> 00:12:09,353 the Joseph Conrad novel. 269 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:11,021 We thought since there's this connection between 270 00:12:11,022 --> 00:12:11,814 Conrad and Wells, 271 00:12:11,815 --> 00:12:13,941 borrowing characters from another Conrad story 272 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:15,817 was vaguely in our agreement. 273 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:17,027 I was determined on some level 274 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:18,737 that I would provide that moment, 275 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:21,406 that we were going to see the girl turn into a cat 276 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:22,325 and be an animal. 277 00:12:22,326 --> 00:12:23,408 She would run on all fours. 278 00:12:23,409 --> 00:12:26,870 She would become furry and underneath her chilaba 279 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:28,997 is furry all over and has a tail. 280 00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:30,582 The dog-people take the opportunity, 281 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,793 while the master is away, to chase her up the wall, 282 00:12:32,794 --> 00:12:34,461 drag her down, and kill her. 283 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:37,923 Being civilized, they then proceed to not just to eat her 284 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:41,510 but to cook her and then serve her to the castaway. 285 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:44,012 When he realizes what's happened in his absence, 286 00:12:44,013 --> 00:12:46,473 he immediately shoots a couple of the dog-men. 287 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:47,808 The dog—men really love him. 288 00:12:47,809 --> 00:12:49,893 Not only that, they've got very short memories, 289 00:12:49,894 --> 00:12:51,436 because they're dogs; So they don't really remember 290 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:53,897 that they've killed and cooked the cat-lady to begin with. 291 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:55,941 They don't really understand why he's killing them. 292 00:12:55,942 --> 00:12:58,026 We also rationalize that Montgomery would 293 00:12:58,027 --> 00:13:00,153 undoubtedly be sleeping with the beast-people 294 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:02,239 if he's been on the island for decades. 295 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,033 I know in one version we had the thought of the pig-lady 296 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:08,328 biting Montgomery's dick off during the final party, 297 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:10,455 which... later in the story, 298 00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:12,833 the beast-people get into Montgomery's stash. 299 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:15,544 So suddenly we're dealing with humanized animals on drugs, 300 00:13:15,545 --> 00:13:17,796 which is a very appealing thought, 301 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:19,923 and then one starts wondering how they would behave 302 00:13:19,924 --> 00:13:21,466 and what they would see. 303 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:25,387 And these were to prove to be controversial elements 304 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:27,222 later in the development process. 305 00:13:27,223 --> 00:13:30,642 Here we see the muscular satire character 306 00:13:30,643 --> 00:13:32,894 cranking the handle to lower the lift cage. 307 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:35,314 All the way down the shaft, there's other creatures 308 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:37,607 living in the different layers of the complex. 309 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:40,027 We see them through the cage of the elevator, 310 00:13:40,028 --> 00:13:41,361 and they're peeking out, 311 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:42,988 and we notice that there's babies 312 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:44,948 and fires burning down there. 313 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,367 Here the bear-man reaches for the conch shell 314 00:13:47,368 --> 00:13:48,910 with a lord of the flies touch 315 00:13:48,911 --> 00:13:52,164 and then picks up the conch shell and blows it. 316 00:13:52,165 --> 00:13:54,875 Yes, there was going animal vision in this movie, 317 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:56,710 just like toad vision or droid vision. 318 00:13:56,711 --> 00:13:59,004 Of course, we're going to see point-of—view shots 319 00:13:59,005 --> 00:14:00,213 from the beast people. 320 00:14:00,214 --> 00:14:03,884 I remember making phone calls until I ran out of change 321 00:14:03,885 --> 00:14:06,178 from a phone booth in south London, 322 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:08,764 and I remember it was close to Christmas, 323 00:14:08,765 --> 00:14:11,016 and it was snowing, it was close to a bus station, 324 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:13,435 but somehow I just on the remains of my 325 00:14:13,436 --> 00:14:14,811 dwindling change, 326 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:17,147 I managed to basically get ed pressman 327 00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:19,316 of the Edward r. Pressman film corporation 328 00:14:19,317 --> 00:14:21,735 interested in Dr. Moreau. 329 00:14:21,736 --> 00:14:23,862 Ed had produced a lot of fine movies, 330 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,323 notably badlands with Terrence malick, 331 00:14:26,324 --> 00:14:28,950 conan the barbarian for John milius, 332 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:30,869 das boot for Wolfgang Peterson, 333 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:32,913 and bad lieutenant for Abel ferrara; 334 00:14:32,914 --> 00:14:34,956 so ed had pretty good taste 335 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:36,958 and was the right man to be the producer. 336 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,252 - Island of Dr. Moreau came out about 337 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,338 by the initiative of Richard Stanley. 338 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:45,759 It was a wonderful script, and he was a good filmmaker. 339 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,427 His agent at the time, jenne casarotto, 340 00:14:47,428 --> 00:14:51,807 represented the estate of Wells, hg. Wells. 341 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:54,101 - Right from the beginning there was always that problem 342 00:14:54,102 --> 00:14:56,603 that I was working on something I didn't own. 343 00:14:56,604 --> 00:14:58,188 I needed a big company to pick it up, 344 00:14:58,189 --> 00:15:00,941 because somebody actually had to negotiate with the Wells' estate 345 00:15:00,942 --> 00:15:03,568 and try and get hold of the rights, 346 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:05,445 which were pretty confused. 347 00:15:05,446 --> 00:15:10,409 Mike DeLuca was at new line at the time and liked it, 348 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:18,291 and we thought of it as a modest budget Sci-Fi film 349 00:15:18,292 --> 00:15:21,586 that would be done for $5 - $8 million. 350 00:15:21,587 --> 00:15:24,464 - Ed immediately wanted to americanize the script 351 00:15:24,465 --> 00:15:27,175 which was something I was quite opposed to. 352 00:15:27,176 --> 00:15:30,220 I felt all of Wells' work is inherently British, 353 00:15:30,221 --> 00:15:32,681 and one of the problems with the Wells' material 354 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:35,267 was that britain has never really shown any interest really 355 00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:36,518 in adapting it. 356 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:40,230 In the end, ed convinced me to allow them to do this, 357 00:15:40,231 --> 00:15:43,692 provided that they hired a screenwriter to work on it 358 00:15:43,693 --> 00:15:46,278 who I thought would do the work justice. 359 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:48,113 And so we ended up with Michael herr, 360 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:50,198 the writer of dispatches, 361 00:15:50,199 --> 00:15:52,784 the classic book about the Vietnam war, 362 00:15:52,785 --> 00:15:54,035 which is probably one of the best books 363 00:15:54,036 --> 00:15:55,579 about war ever written; 364 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,206 who also provided the voiceover to apocalypse now 365 00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:00,125 and was a perfect choice for Moreau 366 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:03,003 and brought an awful lot to the Montgomery character, 367 00:16:03,004 --> 00:16:04,880 giving him some of that hard-boiled, 368 00:16:04,881 --> 00:16:06,798 acid-drenched shtick. 369 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:08,425 He is the single greatest screenwriter 370 00:16:08,426 --> 00:16:11,428 I have ever worked with and a very fine man. 371 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:13,889 He hates... I can't say “hates." It's a strong word, 372 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:15,891 but he probably does hate Hollywood 373 00:16:15,892 --> 00:16:17,350 and hates the movie industry. 374 00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:20,228 Whether or not he hates the human race in total 375 00:16:20,229 --> 00:16:22,356 is a harder question. 376 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:34,951 - As the company started with virtually nothing 377 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:37,329 and as we made our way in the business, 378 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:40,832 we began to have as part of our wherewithal obviously 379 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,502 production, acquisition, and financing 380 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:47,506 that allowed us to buy films and to make films. 381 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:50,175 - Bob shaye had created something that was very edgy. 382 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:53,553 It was all house party, nightmare on elm street, 383 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:54,430 ninja turtles. 384 00:16:54,431 --> 00:16:59,976 It was drive-in, grindhouse, Saturday matinee-type fare. 385 00:16:59,977 --> 00:17:03,939 As artists and executives and a studio, 386 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:07,150 they were often maligned by the big boys, 387 00:17:07,151 --> 00:17:11,321 as being, you know, niche and crap, you know, 388 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,281 pink flamingos and Freddy. 389 00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:16,826 I mean, these movies make money, but they don't gain respect. 390 00:17:16,827 --> 00:17:19,663 - Mike DeLuca, who was president of our production company, 391 00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:21,414 he was charged with the idea 392 00:17:21,415 --> 00:17:23,708 of going out and putting together projects, 393 00:17:23,709 --> 00:17:25,418 and then presenting them to myself 394 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:27,921 to decide whether we wanted to go ahead with it or not. 395 00:17:27,922 --> 00:17:29,214 - In the mid—90s, 396 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:32,050 Mike started to bring in directors 397 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:33,301 who were unknown at the time, 398 00:17:33,302 --> 00:17:36,721 like David fincher, Paul Thomas Anderson, 399 00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:39,307 you know, Mike really gave these guys their start. 400 00:17:39,308 --> 00:17:42,644 I think new line started to go through an identity crisis, 401 00:17:42,645 --> 00:17:44,938 because, you know, with all due respect, 402 00:17:44,939 --> 00:17:48,608 when you're used to having Robert englund in the commissary 403 00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:50,652 metaphorically and now you've got Robert De Niro 404 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:52,862 and Dustin Hoffman with wag the dog, 405 00:17:52,863 --> 00:17:54,781 there was this sort of euphoria 406 00:17:54,782 --> 00:17:57,867 that now the minors are playing with the majors. 407 00:17:57,868 --> 00:18:00,704 So suddenly, they're remaking the island of Dr. Moreau, 408 00:18:00,705 --> 00:18:03,415 but they want to turn it into an art film. 409 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:07,210 - I wasn't particularly enthusiastic 410 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:08,962 about the project, frankly. 411 00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:10,755 Mike DeLuca had in it, 412 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:15,719 was interested in it and sort of liked classic horror. 413 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,804 It all left me pretty cold. 414 00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:21,016 - Pressman had me going and meet the new line people 415 00:18:21,017 --> 00:18:25,353 and wanted to get me on the picture as the producer. 416 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:27,731 - So we had, I think, 417 00:18:27,732 --> 00:18:30,108 basically just one meeting in my office. 418 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:34,238 - I did meet Richard Stanley at that point in time. 419 00:18:38,034 --> 00:18:39,951 I didn't really know what to make of him, 420 00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:43,038 and he showed up in a hat and white linen suit, 421 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:46,291 said that's what he's going to wear for the whole picture, 422 00:18:46,292 --> 00:18:47,209 never take it off. 423 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:50,378 - I had no doubt going into it that Richard would be fine. 424 00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:53,423 I thought he was very smart. 425 00:18:53,424 --> 00:18:56,301 He's an odd character, 426 00:18:56,302 --> 00:19:00,221 but I've worked with many odd characters as directors. 427 00:19:00,222 --> 00:19:05,268 - I thought that Stanley was a somewhat unusual guy. 428 00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:08,772 He almost got away with not doing anything goofy, 429 00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:10,982 and then he did do one thing goofy. 430 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:15,945 When my assistant came in and offered everybody refreshments, 431 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:19,783 he said, “yes, I would like a cup of coffee." 432 00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:21,493 “How do you take it?“ 433 00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:24,037 and he said either three or four sugars, 434 00:19:24,038 --> 00:19:26,748 and when I heard that, I said, 435 00:19:26,749 --> 00:19:28,416 "there's something going on here 436 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:32,379 that I don't think I completely understand, 437 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:35,048 but nobody takes four sugars in a cup of coffee 438 00:19:35,049 --> 00:19:39,052 and walks out as a solid citizen. 439 00:19:39,053 --> 00:19:43,431 - He was like me, an absolute stranger to la, 440 00:19:43,432 --> 00:19:45,809 nothing in common with anyone here. 441 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:49,437 I mean, I think that's really why we became friends, 442 00:19:49,438 --> 00:19:51,773 just instantly we had a good rapport. 443 00:19:51,774 --> 00:19:53,274 I think when you're an artist 444 00:19:53,275 --> 00:19:56,486 and you have worked for years with no budget, 445 00:19:56,487 --> 00:19:58,655 and when finally you get to do it the way 446 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,615 you've always known you can, 447 00:20:00,616 --> 00:20:03,159 you know to the detail what you're going to do 448 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,203 and how you're going to do it. 449 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,497 - And the really first thing came down to who 450 00:20:07,498 --> 00:20:09,249 was going to be Dr. Moreau, 451 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:13,129 and ed figured a way of getting to Marlon Brando. 452 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:20,176 - Someone had the idea of Brando playing the role of Dr. Moreau, 453 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:22,011 which changed the whole character of the movie 454 00:20:22,012 --> 00:20:25,598 and increased the budget enormously. 455 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:26,975 - We had just made a film with him 456 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:30,145 where he was already totally impossible. 457 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:35,358 So I was pretty incensed with DeLuca for choosing 458 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,901 Marlon Brando in another film. 459 00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:39,237 There was no particular reason to have him, 460 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,322 and he was an incredible pain in the neck. 461 00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:43,533 - The very next thing I heard was that, 462 00:20:43,534 --> 00:20:47,245 yes, Brando was prepared to be Dr. Moreau, 463 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:50,582 the money was in escrow, and that the film was green lit. 464 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:53,334 It was going to be directed by Roman polanksi, 465 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,211 which came completely out of the left field. 466 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:56,379 I hadn't seen that coming. 467 00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:59,382 I responded by firing all guns 468 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:02,969 and demanding that I have the right 469 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,929 to at least one meeting with Marlon Brando, 470 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:06,431 that I had written the damn script. 471 00:21:06,432 --> 00:21:08,600 Apparently, he was very unhappy about this. 472 00:21:08,601 --> 00:21:10,435 I was told that by Mike DeLuca, 473 00:21:10,436 --> 00:21:12,771 the chappy from new line just before the meeting 474 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:15,774 that Brando was going to really rake me over the coals. 475 00:21:15,775 --> 00:21:18,151 And I rememberfeeling a bit confused as to why... 476 00:21:18,152 --> 00:21:19,903 What Brando and everyone had it in with me for. 477 00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,113 Certainly, new line couldn't wait to get rid of me. 478 00:21:22,114 --> 00:21:24,324 Knowing that the odds were stacked against me, 479 00:21:24,325 --> 00:21:26,701 I resorted to witchcraft. 480 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:28,953 At that point in time, 481 00:21:28,954 --> 00:21:32,081 I was friendly with this warlock chappy in england, 482 00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:35,376 Dr. Edward James featherstone, commonly known as “skip." 483 00:21:35,377 --> 00:21:37,545 So skip had been shown to demonstrate his ability 484 00:21:37,546 --> 00:21:38,797 to fix things, 485 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,340 to do invisible mending before. 486 00:21:40,341 --> 00:21:42,467 So I said, “my god, skip, you've got to help me. 487 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:44,385 You've got to save my movie.“ 488 00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:46,846 at the exact same time, I went into the meeting 489 00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:49,224 on the other side of the world, skip convened his coven, 490 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:51,935 cut his arm, drew a sigil and did some sort of routine 491 00:21:51,936 --> 00:21:54,354 to fix it and make it all, all right. 492 00:21:54,355 --> 00:21:56,689 Simultaneously, I was driven with the big, 493 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:58,650 old limo that was part of the contract. 494 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:00,360 Brando's house was at the top of Mulholland, 495 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:02,987 on the left; Jack Nicholson's house is on the right. 496 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:06,658 Brando's house was surrounded by a very dense bamboo enclosure, 497 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:08,993 which screened the house from the road. 498 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:11,788 The bamboos were full of cctv cameras, 499 00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:13,832 and eventually, the gates slid open, 500 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:16,167 and I was admitted into the compound. 501 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:18,294 He had these trained dobermans padding around 502 00:22:18,295 --> 00:22:19,879 and which were trained to attack 503 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,006 anything he pointed his laser pencil at, 504 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:25,051 because I have fond memories of Brando drunk pointing at things 505 00:22:25,052 --> 00:22:27,512 with his laser pencil and getting the attack dogs 506 00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:30,098 To attack the little red dot. 507 00:22:30,099 --> 00:22:33,601 New line sent a lady named Ruth vitale with me. 508 00:22:33,602 --> 00:22:37,230 I stayed pretty quiet during the first part of the meeting. 509 00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:43,903 Ruth was sweating and found it very stuffy in there, 510 00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:47,532 and Brando turned on the air—conditioning. 511 00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:50,577 She remarked at one point that "if you turn that up any higher, 512 00:22:50,578 --> 00:22:53,037 I'll fall asleep, “ and he kept doing it, 513 00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:57,500 and after about 15 minutes or so Ruth was fast asleep, 514 00:22:57,501 --> 00:23:00,378 at which point we began the conversation. 515 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:04,757 So I'd done enough research to be able to engage him on, 516 00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:09,053 I guess, environmental and scientific grounds. 517 00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:10,513 And then there's the whole weird 518 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:12,599 sir Henry Morton Stanley connection 519 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,351 which feeds back into the character of Kurtz 520 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:16,020 to begin with. 521 00:23:16,021 --> 00:23:17,645 He was still pretty interested in Kurtz. 522 00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:21,733 So we were able to slide backwards into the gestations 523 00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:24,027 of the character, the initial argument between 524 00:23:24,028 --> 00:23:25,403 Conrad and Wells, 525 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:27,655 and he was extremely nice to me during the meeting. 526 00:23:27,656 --> 00:23:30,241 I was never really sure why he took a shine to me 527 00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:30,868 the way he did. 528 00:23:30,869 --> 00:23:32,827 It was very confusing for new line because 529 00:23:32,828 --> 00:23:34,537 it was not the outcome they'd been expecting, 530 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:36,414 and it was confusing for Ruth vitale 531 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,124 because she had slept through it. 532 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:39,459 There's a very strong possibility 533 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:41,085 that it was may have been voodoo 534 00:23:41,086 --> 00:23:43,546 or some kind of magical interference 535 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:44,589 on skip's behalf, 536 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:47,300 but the next thing I knew Roman polanski was out, 537 00:23:47,301 --> 00:23:50,304 and Brando was only going to do the movie if I was on board. 538 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:54,807 Brando's a big name, but he's not big box office. 539 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:57,143 So then it was necessary for us to bring a box office draw. 540 00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:59,020 So we immediately went after Bruce Willis 541 00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:01,564 for the role of the castaway. 542 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:03,775 Bruce was looking for something different to do 543 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:04,817 at that point in time. 544 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:06,903 It was immediately pre-sixth sense 545 00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:08,112 and really liked the script, 546 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:10,073 and like everyone else, wanted to work with Brando. 547 00:24:10,074 --> 00:24:12,533 One of the serendipity things is I ran into James woods 548 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:14,118 at a restaurant, 549 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,287 got on well with James woods 550 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:18,957 and gave him the script. 551 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:22,043 Next thing you know, James woods was in for Montgomery. 552 00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:24,337 We had pretty much the dream cast, 553 00:24:24,338 --> 00:24:26,714 which was Marlon Brando, Bruce Willis, and James woods. 554 00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,342 We then set out to find the island. 555 00:24:29,343 --> 00:24:31,886 After a lot of globetrotting, 556 00:24:31,887 --> 00:24:34,681 I ended up in far-north queensland, 557 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:37,183 and I chose cape tribulation, 558 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:40,061 because there's a huge triangular mountain/volcano 559 00:24:40,062 --> 00:24:41,479 thing in the middle of it all, 560 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,314 which I figured I could use to anchor together 561 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,024 the geography of the island. 562 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:46,901 I found a way of selecting the different locations 563 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:48,152 so the volcano mountain 564 00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:49,737 was always vaguely in the background 565 00:24:49,738 --> 00:24:51,781 and matched into another atoll 566 00:24:51,782 --> 00:24:53,783 so that we could create the illusion 567 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:55,576 that it was all one place. 568 00:24:55,577 --> 00:24:57,412 Simultaneously, a colossal 569 00:24:57,413 --> 00:24:59,580 makeup effects effort was going on 570 00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:01,874 where we had the attention of all the kids 571 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,459 at the Stan Winston studios. 572 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,627 - I was one of the few, 573 00:25:04,628 --> 00:25:07,046 if not the only person in the studio, 574 00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:08,673 who knew who Richard was. 575 00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:09,882 You know, I had seen hardware. 576 00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:11,592 I had seen dust devil, and, you know, 577 00:25:11,593 --> 00:25:15,138 I was interested in his quirky little movies he was making, 578 00:25:15,139 --> 00:25:17,515 and he came in with these very psychedelic drawings of, 579 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:20,309 you know, animal people running around with machine guns 580 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,729 and hospital scrubs and everything 581 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:25,857 and very colorful and very, like, out there, 582 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:28,985 and we had a team of folks 583 00:25:28,986 --> 00:25:31,279 that set out to design the characters. 584 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,365 Crash mccreery does these amazing detailed pencils, 585 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:36,451 and he did the sayer of the law. 586 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:38,870 He did lo—mai. 587 00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:43,499 I did designs for buffalo man and the pig-ladies. 588 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,502 Everybody chipped in and just bashed ideas around 589 00:25:46,503 --> 00:25:50,007 until we settled on things. 590 00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:56,804 - He was, you know, right off the bat, 591 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:59,640 he was showing me the storyboards 592 00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:02,143 and the character designs from Stan Winston, 593 00:26:02,144 --> 00:26:07,523 and he was so, so excited and so passionate 594 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:10,568 and it had been so many years in the making at that point. 595 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,361 - We talked about the character, and he said, 596 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:14,614 “you know, it's actually, I want to... you know, 597 00:26:14,615 --> 00:26:19,077 the story is that he is Brando's favorite. 598 00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:20,411 He is the master dog. 599 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:23,790 Basically, he's the only one that understands art. 600 00:26:23,791 --> 00:26:25,041 He knows Shakespeare. 601 00:26:25,042 --> 00:26:26,793 He knows how to recite poems," 602 00:26:26,794 --> 00:26:27,877 and I got really excited, 603 00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:29,921 because I thought "god, you know, 604 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:33,257 this is like actually the best part in the movie." 605 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:34,884 - In the meantime, 606 00:26:34,885 --> 00:26:38,679 new line tried in different ways to contain the material. 607 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,599 I remember being called into an emergency meeting 608 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,185 of which they were really going to draw the line 609 00:26:44,186 --> 00:26:47,480 and try to get me to humanize the cat—lady. 610 00:26:47,481 --> 00:26:49,315 When prendick initially seduces her, 611 00:26:49,316 --> 00:26:50,942 she's got six nipples 612 00:26:50,943 --> 00:26:53,236 and her pubes kind of grow all over her thighs 613 00:26:53,237 --> 00:26:54,487 and up her chest and stuff, 614 00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:56,656 and there's this celebrated moment 615 00:26:56,657 --> 00:26:59,283 where he's working his way down from one nipple to the next 616 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:02,662 and realizes along the way that she's not human, 617 00:27:02,663 --> 00:27:05,665 which really upset them, really upset Ruth vitale. 618 00:27:05,666 --> 00:27:08,501 She said that it would upset menopausal women 619 00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:09,836 all over america. 620 00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:11,712 We went through a couple of successive drafts 621 00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:14,549 with walon green, writer of the wild bunch, 622 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:17,593 at which point I could justifiably say that, 623 00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:19,345 even leaving myself out of the equation, 624 00:27:19,346 --> 00:27:21,889 the finished product was from the combined talents 625 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:24,100 who brought the world the wild bunch, 626 00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,060 apocalypse now, and the time machine. 627 00:27:26,061 --> 00:27:28,855 It was a script we were extremely confident in, 628 00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:33,068 that we thought would be some sort of milestone in the genre. 629 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,113 - We'd shot some background footage 630 00:27:37,114 --> 00:27:38,906 that was going to work on monitors, 631 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:43,578 and we spent a day in a hospital doing bits and pieces. 632 00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:45,413 - There was a scene with Barbara Steele, 633 00:27:45,414 --> 00:27:48,499 which was filmed in Los Angeles. 634 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,668 Barbara Steele and an orangutan. 635 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,379 - Just a very low-key day with a small crew, 636 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:57,842 and I could just tell by the way that he was shooting, 637 00:27:57,843 --> 00:28:00,178 what he was shooting, how he was relating to the crew 638 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:05,975 that... once he had actors and a big crew, 639 00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:07,852 it might have some problems, 640 00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:11,981 and we all sort of said “uh-oh" to each other silently, 641 00:28:11,982 --> 00:28:14,483 because we were all supportive of him 642 00:28:14,484 --> 00:28:17,361 and wanted him to do well. 643 00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:20,656 - I think Richard was in a rather swish hotel initially, 644 00:28:20,657 --> 00:28:23,993 but when it was suggested that I go over to Los Angeles 645 00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:25,953 and work with him in hotel, 646 00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,748 I think they then decided they'd actually have to move 647 00:28:28,749 --> 00:28:30,208 him to a slightly cheaper hotel. 648 00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:33,878 - So they said, “you know, as a savings, Richard, 649 00:28:33,879 --> 00:28:37,340 you know, we'd like to put you in the oakwood apartments. 650 00:28:37,341 --> 00:28:40,343 You know, it's a lot cheaper, and you'll be able to cook, 651 00:28:40,344 --> 00:28:43,554 and do you mind?" And he said, "that's fine." 652 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:47,099 Asmall but telling problem was that I don't actually drive. 653 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,518 I'd been living in London for 20 years 654 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,103 and was suddenly plumped down in the city 655 00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:54,524 were there was no such thing as public transport. 656 00:28:55,192 --> 00:28:57,485 This issue of trying to get from a to b 657 00:28:57,486 --> 00:28:59,445 continued throughout the production. 658 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:00,863 Meetings would happen without me, 659 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,531 anyone telling me they were going on, 660 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:05,576 and point in fact, I became increasingly paranoid, 661 00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:07,620 thinking that I was being 662 00:29:07,621 --> 00:29:09,747 deliberately kept out of the meetings. 663 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,416 -About 2:00 in the morning of that same day, 664 00:29:12,417 --> 00:29:16,003 I got a call from Richard saying it's an emergency. 665 00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:17,838 "I have to move. 666 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,050 I can't stay in that place one minute longer, “ 667 00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:23,719 and I said, "where are you?“ He said, “I'm in Hollywood. 668 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,265 I've walked from Burbank to Hollywood, 669 00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:30,101 and I don't know where to go and what to do." 670 00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:31,894 And I said, “where are you in Hollywood?" 671 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,479 He says, “I don't know.“ 672 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,776 so I think that is when I said to myself "uh—oh". 673 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:43,072 - A number of things went wrong in the preproduction period. 674 00:29:43,073 --> 00:29:45,783 Really, the beginning of the end, 675 00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:48,160 the death knell was um... 676 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,955 When Bruce divorced Demi, 677 00:29:50,956 --> 00:29:53,749 and decided for various complicated, 678 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,501 personal, legal reasons 679 00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:58,963 that he could not leave america for the next six months. 680 00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:02,466 I then made another strategic error. 681 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,386 I met val kilmer. 682 00:30:05,887 --> 00:30:08,806 - Val kilmer was a big star then. 683 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:13,728 So the film, all of a sudden, became a $35 million movie, 684 00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:17,106 which at that time was like $70 million today. 685 00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:23,029 So it was a big movie which was far greater in its demands 686 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:24,613 and its ambition. 687 00:30:24,614 --> 00:30:27,491 - All of which worked okay until I was urgently summoned 688 00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:30,619 from the island to a meeting with val in Tokyo, 689 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:34,123 where val was for the Batman forever premier. 690 00:30:34,124 --> 00:30:36,083 Val was then at the height of his powers, 691 00:30:36,084 --> 00:30:38,044 surrounded by adoring Japanese fans 692 00:30:38,045 --> 00:30:40,212 and behaving, I thought, 693 00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:42,840 very arrogantly indeed towards them. 694 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:46,719 And val had decided that his life was too busy to devote 695 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,765 as long we needed him for to do Dr. Moreau. 696 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:54,226 Val demanded 40 percent fewer shooting days. 697 00:30:54,227 --> 00:30:56,145 I was told in no uncertain terms 698 00:30:56,146 --> 00:30:57,772 that after the Bruce Willis debacle 699 00:30:57,773 --> 00:30:59,482 that if val left the ship, 700 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:01,901 new line would probably close the project down, 701 00:31:01,902 --> 00:31:03,944 and we'd go back and turn around. 702 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:05,780 At this stage I was already building the big house 703 00:31:05,781 --> 00:31:07,907 on the island and was determined to go ahead. 704 00:31:07,908 --> 00:31:10,451 I knew that we had to somehow solve this. 705 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:14,747 I had a very bad dream that night in the hotel in Tokyo. 706 00:31:14,748 --> 00:31:16,874 I remembered one of those nights waking up 707 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,710 and feeling that there was something in the room 708 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,253 sitting on my chest 709 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:23,631 and that sense of being unable to scream or breath 710 00:31:23,632 --> 00:31:25,174 and something banging on the door... 711 00:31:25,175 --> 00:31:26,634 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam... 712 00:31:26,635 --> 00:31:28,177 The door seemed to be trembling and shivering, 713 00:31:28,178 --> 00:31:30,429 and yet at the same time, I was really being crushed 714 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:31,555 or suffocated, in the bed. 715 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:33,474 It was a very unpleasant nightmare, 716 00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:37,269 what they call the old hag or nocturnal sleep paralysis. 717 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:41,065 - Richard came back, and he seemed a bit flustered, 718 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:44,068 but he wouldn't tell me what he was flustered about. 719 00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:48,364 So I think he'd been getting a bit of a hard time from val. 720 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:50,116 - Val calls up Mike DeLuca and says, 721 00:31:50,117 --> 00:31:51,325 “I want to talk to you, “ 722 00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:55,246 and he sets a breakfast for DeLuca at the bel air hotel. 723 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,082 Val is sitting there. Val says, 724 00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:00,668 “I'm very busy and I don't have a lot of time; 725 00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:03,462 so don't talk to me. Just listen.“ 726 00:32:03,463 --> 00:32:06,674 and he goes on to say, "I know I took this role, 727 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:08,300 but I don't like the role anymore.“ 728 00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:12,555 - I then came up with the idea of talking val 729 00:32:12,556 --> 00:32:17,059 into switching roles with the James woods' character, 730 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:18,978 to no longer being the lead man, 731 00:32:18,979 --> 00:32:22,356 but playing the part of the Moreau's apprentice 732 00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:23,524 or his sidekick instead, 733 00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:26,235 which automatically gave him 40 percent fewer shooting days. 734 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:28,612 It meant that we had to say goodbye to James woods, 735 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:30,030 which was very unfortunate. 736 00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:32,324 We then needed a new leading man, 737 00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:35,578 and we ended up with an individual named Rob morrow 738 00:32:35,579 --> 00:32:37,663 who was then hot from quiz show 739 00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:40,666 and from a television show called northern exposure. 740 00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:43,043 - I was planning on taking the summer off, 741 00:32:43,044 --> 00:32:45,129 and I kind of got a sudden call 742 00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:47,756 from my agent at the time, Arnold rifkin, 743 00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:50,843 and there were this there movie they were doing... 744 00:32:50,844 --> 00:32:53,220 I was familiar with the hg. Wells story, 745 00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:57,099 you know, and so as soon as they said it, I was intrigued. 746 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,518 You know, next thing I know, I was flying down to cairns 747 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:00,895 to shoot the movie. 748 00:33:00,896 --> 00:33:03,856 - I was doing the budget with some production people 749 00:33:03,857 --> 00:33:05,399 from new line, 750 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,652 and when we got to the director section of it, 751 00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:11,405 as a half-joke I said, 752 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:14,158 “well, we better put in a contingency 753 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,869 of a million and a half for another director, 754 00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:19,747 because I don't think this is going to work out.“ 755 00:33:19,748 --> 00:33:23,584 - I guess I thought that I could always run to Brando 756 00:33:23,585 --> 00:33:26,086 for backup if I got into trouble. 757 00:33:26,087 --> 00:33:28,964 - What I suggested and what they agreed with 758 00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:33,219 is we go down to Australia way far in advance 759 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:35,012 and just basically live there 760 00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:39,391 and let him settle in and get used to the place 761 00:33:39,392 --> 00:33:42,646 and wander around and not have a lot of pressure. 762 00:33:49,778 --> 00:33:52,571 - There was no television or radio or phones or anything. 763 00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:57,076 There was just absolute pristine beauty. 764 00:33:57,077 --> 00:33:58,953 - I thought Richard's script was fantastic. 765 00:33:58,954 --> 00:34:02,498 And here was this guy with long, black hair, 766 00:34:02,499 --> 00:34:05,918 a white Panama hat, a white linen suit, 767 00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:11,382 and I believe sand shoes, carrying a carpet bag, 768 00:34:11,383 --> 00:34:12,925 and that was all his luggage. 769 00:34:12,926 --> 00:34:15,636 This is a guy who's coming to direct our film 770 00:34:15,637 --> 00:34:17,388 for months and months and months. 771 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:19,598 We knew as soon as we met the guy, 772 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,560 hello, we've got something different coming on here. 773 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:24,395 - I know that when I was originally asked 774 00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:26,397 to go over to cairns, 775 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:27,898 part of the whole idea, I think, 776 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:31,110 it was felt that Richard was feeling quite isolated 777 00:34:31,111 --> 00:34:33,362 and that within the storyboard process, 778 00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:36,490 he'd actually have somebody he knew quite well 779 00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:37,825 who he could work with 780 00:34:37,826 --> 00:34:40,661 and sort of act or sort of solve 781 00:34:40,662 --> 00:34:42,956 the stresses he may have been under. 782 00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:47,835 - We then started going after the beast-people. 783 00:34:47,836 --> 00:34:51,547 - Hands down, the worst audition that I had ever done, 784 00:34:51,548 --> 00:34:52,631 had ever been involved in, 785 00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:57,344 had to walk around making stupid animal noises... 786 00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:59,888 Pigs, all that kind of stuff, 787 00:34:59,889 --> 00:35:02,391 um, I said these stupid lines. 788 00:35:02,392 --> 00:35:04,810 There was just no kind of process as an actor 789 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:06,353 that you can get your teeth into. 790 00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:08,188 I rang my agent straightaway afterwards and said, 791 00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:10,399 "don't ever sent me for anything like that again. 792 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,567 That was shit. 793 00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:14,695 This is not acting, blah, blah, blah, blah." 794 00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:20,159 Then I got a phone call a couple of... about two weeks later 795 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,579 from the actual makeup, Stan Winston's makeup crew, 796 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:28,626 saying, “we need you in tomorrow for a plaster cast 797 00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:30,210 and da-da, da, da-da." 798 00:35:30,211 --> 00:35:31,463 And I got the part. 799 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,439 - Everyone in the cast was a peculiar shape or size. 800 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,274 You know, there were very tall people 801 00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:53,901 playing animals that were tall. 802 00:35:53,902 --> 00:35:55,861 There were short people playing animals that were short. 803 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:58,197 There was fat people, thin people. 804 00:35:58,198 --> 00:36:01,492 The prosthetics then enhanced their particular physicality's. 805 00:36:01,493 --> 00:36:03,869 The pig—women had their real breasts out 806 00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,413 and then a sows three other pairs of breasts 807 00:36:06,414 --> 00:36:08,207 prosthetically underneath their own, 808 00:36:08,208 --> 00:36:11,293 and there was some very bizarre looking creature around. 809 00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:12,836 - We had the shortest man on earth, 810 00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:13,962 Nelson de la Rosa, 811 00:36:13,963 --> 00:36:15,923 who we came across in the daytime TV show 812 00:36:15,924 --> 00:36:17,925 in Santo Domingo, dancing in the mahow mahow. 813 00:36:17,926 --> 00:36:24,014 - A friend of ours was watching some Spanish talent show 814 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:26,058 and saw him, 815 00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:27,726 and he had this little act that he would do. 816 00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:29,228 He'd go on stage and dance. 817 00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:31,563 We saw him, and we were like, wow, 818 00:36:31,564 --> 00:36:34,525 he would be great to do monster makeup on. 819 00:36:34,526 --> 00:36:37,403 So called up his agent, and me and a friend of mine 820 00:36:37,404 --> 00:36:39,947 got to go to the Dominican Republic 821 00:36:39,948 --> 00:36:42,533 to life cast him, to body cast him. 822 00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:45,994 Come to find out like he was a huge celebrity over there, 823 00:36:45,995 --> 00:36:48,163 like Michael Jackson celebrity. 824 00:36:48,164 --> 00:36:51,583 And, yeah, we just spent the day in our hotel room 825 00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:54,545 body casting him and head casting him, 826 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:57,339 and he was so excited to do this movie, 827 00:36:57,340 --> 00:37:02,220 but I think he was expecting to be like a main monster. 828 00:37:14,441 --> 00:37:17,943 - Richard was focusing on the creatures. 829 00:37:17,944 --> 00:37:21,113 He was a great student of anthropology. 830 00:37:21,114 --> 00:37:24,867 - We had a dehumanizing process that we were working on, 831 00:37:24,868 --> 00:37:28,162 something that we came up with, with a guy called Peter Elliott 832 00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:31,540 who was the animal behaviorist of gorillas in the mist 833 00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:33,375 and various other gorilla movies. 834 00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:36,712 And we started a training program to train our extras 835 00:37:36,713 --> 00:37:39,798 and our beast-people to act like proper animals. 836 00:37:39,799 --> 00:37:43,177 This went on for actually months before 837 00:37:43,178 --> 00:37:45,179 the movie was due to shoot. 838 00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:49,057 - I'd start by getting them to look at footage 839 00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:51,727 and rehearsing them as the real animals, 840 00:37:51,728 --> 00:37:52,811 on all fours, 841 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:54,438 like pigs being real pigs 842 00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:56,064 and the fact that they're rooting 843 00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:57,649 and the sounds they make 844 00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:00,402 and getting to know as much as possible 845 00:38:00,403 --> 00:38:01,695 about the real animal, 846 00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:02,947 and we'd have stuff like... 847 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:09,661 The most immediately visual one, I guess, 848 00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:11,205 is the guy playing the hyena. 849 00:38:11,206 --> 00:38:13,207 If you look at their backbone and everything, 850 00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:15,375 they've got that sort of primeval thing 851 00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:18,754 which gave him that sort of lovely hunchback, 852 00:38:18,755 --> 00:38:20,380 which gave him that shape, 853 00:38:20,381 --> 00:38:25,344 and it gave him a nice arc to the way he used his head. 854 00:38:25,345 --> 00:38:29,056 I think they were initially a little apprehensive 855 00:38:29,057 --> 00:38:30,933 but once we started rehearsals, 856 00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,519 they threw themselves into it, completely. 857 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,439 - Also, we were working with the local aboriginal community 858 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,566 and with the trobriand islanders. 859 00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:42,986 I wanted to make certain the locals didn't come to hate us. 860 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:45,572 So I wanted to make certain that we gave a lot of work 861 00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:49,201 to the local community and appointed the buffalo man, 862 00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:51,662 it was a guy called David Hudson, 863 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:56,417 as the main go-between with the aboriginal community. 864 00:39:03,049 --> 00:39:04,842 - He was very interested in who I was 865 00:39:04,843 --> 00:39:07,511 and aboriginal language, and the didgeridoo, 866 00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:09,555 and just culture in general. 867 00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:12,516 You've got to understand where this bloke's coming from. 868 00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:14,685 He comes from London. 869 00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:17,479 He's in now rain forest country. 870 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,231 He's on the great barrier reef, 871 00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:22,526 but we all got on very well Richard and I, 872 00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:25,320 he was very, very easy to work with. 873 00:39:25,321 --> 00:39:28,115 His direction was precise. 874 00:39:28,116 --> 00:39:31,034 - He was definitely very passionate about the picture. 875 00:39:31,035 --> 00:39:33,245 - He showed me all the props, I mean, "look at this. 876 00:39:33,246 --> 00:39:35,038 You know, this is my movie. Isn't it cool?“ 877 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:36,582 when people say he's crazy, 878 00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:39,751 I actually experienced Richard as really a nice, 879 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:41,211 warmhearted guy, 880 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:44,923 like a kid that was so happy that his dream came true. 881 00:39:44,924 --> 00:39:47,051 He was like a kid in a candy store. 882 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:48,761 - He was great. 883 00:39:48,762 --> 00:39:52,848 He was affable, and he was clearly enthusiastic. 884 00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:54,182 He was young. He was green. 885 00:39:54,183 --> 00:39:56,351 - He was so happy, you know, 886 00:39:56,352 --> 00:39:58,854 just was grinning ear to ear and just like 887 00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:00,606 "oh, I can't wait to get started." 888 00:40:00,607 --> 00:40:04,318 It was really... that was the best part 889 00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:06,403 of that film, definitely. 890 00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:08,071 - I could see that he liked what I was doing 891 00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:14,870 during the rehearsal and um, he... to me, 892 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:19,124 actually, it seemed that he knew exactly what he wanted, 893 00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:21,668 like, what kind of look he wanted for the movie. 894 00:40:21,669 --> 00:40:26,506 - He rented a house out in the suburbs of cairns 895 00:40:26,507 --> 00:40:28,050 in north queensland, 896 00:40:28,051 --> 00:40:30,510 a fabulous house, like a tree house. 897 00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:34,765 It was all wood with branches sprouting out 898 00:40:34,766 --> 00:40:37,851 and walkways going here and a fantastic place, 899 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:39,937 but he would hardly ever come out of it. 900 00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:42,648 - He wouldn't really interact with us in the normal way 901 00:40:42,649 --> 00:40:44,191 he would do in pre-production. 902 00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,985 He would come on surveys and talk to people, 903 00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:48,570 but as a leader and as a director, 904 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,740 he really didn't get involved. 905 00:40:51,741 --> 00:40:53,283 He stayed in his house. 906 00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:55,744 - We'd have to drag him to look at locations 907 00:40:55,745 --> 00:40:58,664 and even meetings. 908 00:40:58,665 --> 00:41:00,332 He wouldn't come to meetings, 909 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:03,335 and Tim zinneman, the producer, 910 00:41:03,336 --> 00:41:06,213 used to send me around to try and drag him back, 911 00:41:06,214 --> 00:41:09,299 because I had the closest rapport with him, I guess. 912 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,802 We were friends. 913 00:41:11,803 --> 00:41:14,471 I really liked the guy a lot, but I kept saying to him, 914 00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:16,640 “hey, Richard, you've got to go to meetings 915 00:41:16,641 --> 00:41:18,225 if you're going to make this movie," and he... 916 00:41:18,226 --> 00:41:19,643 "Well, can't they come around here?" 917 00:41:19,644 --> 00:41:21,478 And I'd say, "no, it doesn't work that way. 918 00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:23,772 You've got to come to the studio and talk.“ 919 00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:25,190 - he would take a scene 920 00:41:25,191 --> 00:41:27,859 and then he would have the sketch artist 921 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:30,946 do the drawings for the scene 922 00:41:30,947 --> 00:41:32,990 and have them xerox'd, 923 00:41:32,991 --> 00:41:34,866 and then he'd give them to the crew 924 00:41:34,867 --> 00:41:36,576 as a way of communicating, 925 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:40,038 as opposed to having production meetings. 926 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:43,417 - I think he did have visions, 927 00:41:43,418 --> 00:41:46,962 whether they were clear, I'm not so sure. 928 00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:48,839 He would probably say he did, 929 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,759 perhaps I misinterpreted some of what he was saying, 930 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,679 but I never thought they were exactly clear. 931 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,099 - What I was lead to believe was that they were pretty much 932 00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,101 behind him, you know, 933 00:42:01,102 --> 00:42:03,562 and he knew that they were nervous about his youth 934 00:42:03,563 --> 00:42:06,982 and the fact that this was such a big film. 935 00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:08,900 - I think we managed to live the dream 936 00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:10,652 for a surprising amount of time. 937 00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:14,156 - None of us had any idea what ended up... 938 00:42:14,157 --> 00:42:15,241 What was coming. 939 00:42:19,412 --> 00:42:21,079 - I guess the beginning of the end 940 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,416 was Marlon's daughter, Cheyenne, committed suicide. 941 00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:26,209 Brando was then on a project in Ireland 942 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:28,211 called divine rapture, 943 00:42:28,212 --> 00:42:31,882 which he was to come directly from that set to Dr. Moreau. 944 00:42:31,883 --> 00:42:34,134 Divine rapture closed down, 945 00:42:34,135 --> 00:42:36,636 never to resume shooting, was neverfinished. 946 00:42:36,637 --> 00:42:40,599 Brando was understandably extremely upset, 947 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,186 because his entire family was self-destructing around him. 948 00:42:44,187 --> 00:42:47,105 Not knowing whether he would make it for day 1, 949 00:42:47,106 --> 00:42:49,066 in fact, knowing he wouldn't make it for day 1 950 00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:51,109 and whether he'd ever be able to show up as Moreau, 951 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:53,320 obviously, it threw the entire future 952 00:42:53,321 --> 00:42:54,697 of the project into doubt. 953 00:42:55,948 --> 00:42:57,407 We figured the only thing we could do 954 00:42:57,408 --> 00:43:00,202 was to maybe shoot the scenes in the water 955 00:43:00,203 --> 00:43:02,412 and to start with the boat scenes 956 00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:04,372 and the stuff that happens before they get to the island 957 00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:06,041 in the hope that by the time we island 958 00:43:06,042 --> 00:43:07,876 and got to the lab scenes, 959 00:43:07,877 --> 00:43:11,254 well, then a Dr. Moreau would be found. 960 00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:13,924 - Up until the time I left, everything was still in place, 961 00:43:13,925 --> 00:43:15,133 but Richard had already said 962 00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:16,927 that he felt then that the project 963 00:43:16,928 --> 00:43:18,512 was going to be taken away from him. 964 00:43:18,513 --> 00:43:20,680 - I no longer had any real power. 965 00:43:20,681 --> 00:43:22,182 I didn't have any money in the project 966 00:43:22,183 --> 00:43:23,475 and if Brando wasn't going to show up, 967 00:43:23,476 --> 00:43:25,519 I couldn't bring Brando to the project. 968 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,312 - The closer we got to production, 969 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:29,773 the more isolated he made himself 970 00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:32,109 and the more unavailable he made himself. 971 00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:33,944 - It was clear quickly that he might have been 972 00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:35,654 in over his head. 973 00:43:35,655 --> 00:43:37,489 You know, not because of anything, 974 00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:41,702 except a lot of forces that were not aligned for him. 975 00:43:44,330 --> 00:43:46,540 - Things began to darken around the island. 976 00:43:46,541 --> 00:43:47,833 Things started to go wrong. 977 00:43:47,834 --> 00:43:50,585 My pa got bit by a poisonous spider 978 00:43:50,586 --> 00:43:52,921 that was living in a web underneath a lamp shade. 979 00:43:52,922 --> 00:43:55,048 She reached in to switch the lamp shade on, 980 00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:58,343 and it bit her hand, which caused her flesh to melt. 981 00:43:58,344 --> 00:43:59,427 It was incurable. 982 00:43:59,428 --> 00:44:03,265 Back in London, skip, the soothy warlock 983 00:44:03,266 --> 00:44:05,267 who had first fixed the whole thing for me 984 00:44:05,268 --> 00:44:06,518 during the Brando meeting, 985 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,104 he was a pretty brilliant biochemist. 986 00:44:09,105 --> 00:44:11,815 Skip believed that the Clay wall in his laboratory 987 00:44:11,816 --> 00:44:12,941 had been too thin, 988 00:44:12,942 --> 00:44:14,651 that he had accidentally become irradiated 989 00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:16,194 during his experiments, 990 00:44:16,195 --> 00:44:18,530 but what happened was that his bones started to crumble. 991 00:44:18,531 --> 00:44:20,949 One morning his hip dislocated, 992 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:22,868 and his leg literally popped out of the socket. 993 00:44:22,869 --> 00:44:24,369 In hospital when they operated, 994 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:26,830 he then caught necrotizing fasciitis, 995 00:44:26,831 --> 00:44:29,332 this flesh—eating parasite. 996 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:32,919 During that time every single one of skip's fixes came undone. 997 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,754 Over in Ireland, when I phoned my mother 998 00:44:34,755 --> 00:44:36,715 to tell her what was going on, 999 00:44:36,716 --> 00:44:38,592 her house had been just been struck by lightning, 1000 00:44:38,593 --> 00:44:40,677 and three fire balls had rolled through the lounge. 1001 00:44:40,678 --> 00:44:43,430 One jumped in the telephone, one jumped in the hi-fi system, 1002 00:44:43,431 --> 00:44:45,307 and she says the other one went out the cat door. 1003 00:44:45,308 --> 00:44:47,434 Shortly before, her next-door neighbors claimed they saw 1004 00:44:47,435 --> 00:44:49,895 a hyena run across the road. 1005 00:44:49,896 --> 00:44:52,647 Again, a hyena in Ireland doesn't make any kind of sense. 1006 00:44:52,648 --> 00:44:54,524 I noticed for the first time that the accommodation 1007 00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:57,027 where we were staying had hyena print wallpaper. 1008 00:44:57,028 --> 00:44:59,362 That the wallpaper was kind of looking at me 1009 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:02,199 with a hungry kind of look in its eye. 1010 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160 The relationship with val also became tense. 1011 00:45:05,161 --> 00:45:07,370 This started with different attempts to read the script. 1012 00:45:07,371 --> 00:45:09,122 - We all met at Richard's house, 1013 00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:11,249 and we're trying it do this first scene. 1014 00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:13,376 So I start, you know, being all feared 1015 00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:15,420 and this like tempest thing, 1016 00:45:15,421 --> 00:45:17,464 and val is just there sitting there, 1017 00:45:17,465 --> 00:45:18,758 smoking a cigarette, 1018 00:45:19,467 --> 00:45:21,384 “wait, is this it? No. Wait, wait. 1019 00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:24,179 We can always cut it down, but he's still talking. 1020 00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:25,222 Okay, okay. 1021 00:45:25,223 --> 00:45:27,057 Is this it? Is this it? 1022 00:45:27,058 --> 00:45:28,266 He's saying all that? 1023 00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:29,893 He's saying all, and this the first scene in the movie, 1024 00:45:29,894 --> 00:45:31,228 and he's saying all that? 1025 00:45:31,229 --> 00:45:32,562 Okay. Okay." 1026 00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:34,856 So I already know that something like, 1027 00:45:34,857 --> 00:45:35,274 he didn't like it. 1028 00:45:35,275 --> 00:45:37,567 He did not like that the movie would start with me 1029 00:45:37,568 --> 00:45:39,736 doing the tempest, and he's like "Richard, look. 1030 00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:42,113 I don't understand why this character m'ling 1031 00:45:42,114 --> 00:45:44,074 has to be in the first scenes anyhow. 1032 00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:45,242 I don't get it." 1033 00:45:45,243 --> 00:45:48,411 And Richard was like “well, he's your assistant.“ 1034 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:50,455 “but look at his —- look at the makeup. 1035 00:45:50,456 --> 00:45:51,706 I mean, he looks like a monster. 1036 00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:53,583 I don't buy it, and you know what, 1037 00:45:53,584 --> 00:45:55,210 I don't need an assistant." 1038 00:45:55,211 --> 00:45:57,545 And Richard stood his ground and he said like, 1039 00:45:57,546 --> 00:45:58,422 "no, it's in the script." 1040 00:45:58,423 --> 00:46:00,090 - By the time kilmer changed parts 1041 00:46:00,091 --> 00:46:02,384 and took on this other part of the drug-fucked assistant 1042 00:46:02,385 --> 00:46:06,179 to Marlon Brando's Dr. Moreau, 1043 00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:10,225 he was playing up a bit on the set. 1044 00:46:10,226 --> 00:46:13,353 He was just kind of a bit rude and abrasive. 1045 00:46:13,354 --> 00:46:16,564 He... that was his character, though, 1046 00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:21,111 so ergo maybe that was the way he prepared to be an asshole, 1047 00:46:21,112 --> 00:46:23,029 to, you know act like one off camera. 1048 00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:26,367 - So we started having strange, petty disagreements. 1049 00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:29,703 - We were shooting on a pier dock, 1050 00:46:29,704 --> 00:46:31,329 and it was one of these scenes that had 1051 00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:33,999 endless been sketched and re-sketched. 1052 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,959 - Richard says “okay. So let's do this, “ 1053 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,544 and kilmer said, “okay. One second. 1054 00:46:37,545 --> 00:46:38,586 One second. 1055 00:46:38,587 --> 00:46:41,172 I would like to know how you're going to cut this together." 1056 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:42,507 And Richard said, “well, you know, 1057 00:46:42,508 --> 00:46:45,176 the prendick's character, he's in the ship, 1058 00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:46,886 and he's going to get hit on the head. 1059 00:46:46,887 --> 00:46:49,264 We don't know who hit him, and we just cut to black. 1060 00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:51,099 Camera goes back, and you look at him, 1061 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:52,684 and you're like “what are you doing on my ship?“ 1062 00:46:52,685 --> 00:46:54,060 or something like that, you know. 1063 00:46:54,061 --> 00:46:56,271 And then val, always with a cigarette, 1064 00:46:56,272 --> 00:46:59,149 always really super cool. 1065 00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:02,152 I'm not even being sarcastic. 1066 00:47:02,153 --> 00:47:04,654 He was always really cool, you know, just 1067 00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:06,448 "yeah. 1068 00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:08,700 That's not going to work, man." 1069 00:47:08,701 --> 00:47:12,329 So Richard, you know, “it's like a classic thing. 1070 00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:14,372 Someone gets hit, and we cut to black, 1071 00:47:14,373 --> 00:47:18,126 and then there's going to be a time jump." 1072 00:47:18,127 --> 00:47:20,962 “Nah, that's not going to out together.“ 1073 00:47:20,963 --> 00:47:23,423 - Richard went to give him some direction 1074 00:47:23,424 --> 00:47:25,592 and val said, 1075 00:47:25,593 --> 00:47:28,887 "Richard, directors stand behind the cameras, 1076 00:47:28,888 --> 00:47:30,805 actors are in front of the camera, 1077 00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:33,641 now go stand behind the camera." 1078 00:47:33,642 --> 00:47:36,186 And I was sitting, listening to this, 1079 00:47:36,187 --> 00:47:38,730 and I could I'm like, "oh my god." 1080 00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:42,067 I really felt for Richard because I thought this is... 1081 00:47:42,068 --> 00:47:44,152 This is not really —- 1082 00:47:44,153 --> 00:47:46,237 I mean, this is not about the shoot anymore. 1083 00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:47,697 This is a power game. 1084 00:47:47,698 --> 00:47:51,451 - I think at that point Richard just completely lost it 1085 00:47:51,452 --> 00:47:53,536 and forgot all about the sketches 1086 00:47:53,537 --> 00:47:56,831 and really couldn't... 1087 00:47:56,832 --> 00:47:59,042 He was having a hard time getting through the day. 1088 00:47:59,043 --> 00:48:00,668 - I think it was like, late in the movie, 1089 00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:01,753 the scene we were shooting. 1090 00:48:01,754 --> 00:48:03,838 I was like, all these mutants were coming around, 1091 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:06,800 and I was having to shoot them and fight my way out. 1092 00:48:06,801 --> 00:48:08,843 And I just remember being on the beach, 1093 00:48:08,844 --> 00:48:10,387 and I'm coming through. 1094 00:48:10,388 --> 00:48:15,183 And I think I remember, no one was really telling me anything. 1095 00:48:15,184 --> 00:48:17,310 They would just kind of be like "okay. Go out. 1096 00:48:17,311 --> 00:48:21,648 Work your way up there," and, you know, 1097 00:48:21,649 --> 00:48:24,484 then I just would find myself just kind of 1098 00:48:24,485 --> 00:48:27,529 making up stuff to do. 1099 00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:30,073 - He probably would have needed a good first ad 1100 00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:32,575 that does all these things for him 1101 00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,953 so that he can have his vision 1102 00:48:34,954 --> 00:48:38,039 so that he doesn't have to get into these fights, you know. 1103 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,792 But then nobody helped him. 1104 00:48:40,793 --> 00:48:44,254 - That as my instinct always to try to find the constituency 1105 00:48:44,255 --> 00:48:45,422 that would support him, 1106 00:48:45,423 --> 00:48:48,258 and ultimately, I found that there was no one. 1107 00:48:48,259 --> 00:48:51,678 - Reports started coming back from set, 1108 00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,556 which was near Brisbane or some place like that, 1109 00:48:54,557 --> 00:48:58,518 that val kilmer was sitting down 1110 00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:00,979 or somebody was sitting down and wouldn't get up. 1111 00:49:00,980 --> 00:49:02,313 - The buzz is just, you know, 1112 00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:05,483 you walk through the halls and “did you hear about“- 1113 00:49:05,484 --> 00:49:07,694 “oh my god, did you hear that Richard Stanley climbed 1114 00:49:07,695 --> 00:49:10,864 into a tree today and wouldn't come down?“ 1115 00:49:10,865 --> 00:49:15,243 - what? This was... wait. Back the gravy train up. 1116 00:49:15,244 --> 00:49:19,539 When did he supposedly climb this tree and not come down? 1117 00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:22,083 At the end of the shooting day, 1118 00:49:22,084 --> 00:49:25,336 he climbed a tree and wouldn't come down, 1119 00:49:25,337 --> 00:49:27,422 after shooting a long shoot day 1120 00:49:27,423 --> 00:49:30,175 and needing to get up at 5:00 am. And shoot the next day? 1121 00:49:30,176 --> 00:49:32,886 No, I'm going to stay in a tree. That's insane. 1122 00:49:32,887 --> 00:49:34,095 - I think basically they all said, 1123 00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:36,806 “look, he's the star, basically. 1124 00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,977 He's what we what... we hope that we're going to make back 1125 00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:42,604 our money because kilmer is in 1126 00:49:42,605 --> 00:49:46,232 it and now that's part of the budget, basically. 1127 00:49:46,233 --> 00:49:47,984 And it doesn't matter who directs it. 1128 00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:49,402 It's not about the vision. 1129 00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:52,030 It's about the name and the stars." 1130 00:49:52,031 --> 00:49:54,908 - I remember looking at the, overseeing the boat the day 1131 00:49:54,909 --> 00:49:56,576 before the shoot was meant to happen, 1132 00:49:56,577 --> 00:50:00,038 and Murray Boyd, the Australian location manager, 1133 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,790 reassured me about the weather, saying, "don't worry, mate. 1134 00:50:02,791 --> 00:50:04,876 It's going to be flat as a millpond.“ 1135 00:50:04,877 --> 00:50:08,589 anyway, of course, on cue, we were hit by a hurricane. 1136 00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:13,051 - It started to rain. 1137 00:50:13,052 --> 00:50:15,762 They called a wrap and let's get off the beach 1138 00:50:15,763 --> 00:50:16,388 and move out of here, 1139 00:50:16,389 --> 00:50:19,307 and I noticed that the creek was starting to rise 1140 00:50:19,308 --> 00:50:23,102 and that the rain got heavier and heavier and heavier. 1141 00:50:23,103 --> 00:50:26,856 And I thought, “it couldn't rise that much, could it?“ 1142 00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:28,399 well, it did, 1143 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,944 and four hours later 1144 00:50:30,945 --> 00:50:33,781 the set was completely up to the pacific ocean. 1145 00:50:36,116 --> 00:50:38,243 - Being off cape tribulation on a tramp freighter 1146 00:50:38,244 --> 00:50:40,245 full of exotic animals with a hurricane 1147 00:50:40,246 --> 00:50:41,955 was a bad place to be. 1148 00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:44,040 - We were floundering around on the sea with Richard, 1149 00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:45,959 not really knowing what was going on 1150 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,627 or maybe was knowing what was going on 1151 00:50:47,628 --> 00:50:52,757 but not able to convey his directing to the right people. 1152 00:50:52,758 --> 00:50:55,468 - In the course of trying to get the animals off the ship, 1153 00:50:55,469 --> 00:50:57,845 we were moving the puma in a cage, one ship to another 1154 00:50:57,846 --> 00:50:59,264 and I was trying to steady the cage - 1155 00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:01,182 the puma was above me, and the fucking puma 1156 00:51:01,183 --> 00:51:04,435 pissed on me and ruined my suite 1157 00:51:04,436 --> 00:51:07,022 which had been tailor made by prince Charles' tailors. 1158 00:51:08,983 --> 00:51:14,737 - Rob morrow was in the captain's cabin of the ship 1159 00:51:14,738 --> 00:51:18,908 talking by radio phone to his agent in la. 1160 00:51:18,909 --> 00:51:22,579 Screaming to “get me off of this laming picture.“ 1161 00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:23,372 - in those four days, 1162 00:51:23,373 --> 00:51:27,041 I started to sending sos's to my lawyer saying 1163 00:51:27,042 --> 00:51:28,585 "this is looking weird. 1164 00:51:28,586 --> 00:51:30,628 I mean, there's bad stuff going on here. 1165 00:51:30,629 --> 00:51:33,673 There's bad vibes between people." 1166 00:51:33,674 --> 00:51:35,425 - He was calling me from Brisbane, 1167 00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:37,260 and he said, "we don't know each other, 1168 00:51:37,261 --> 00:51:38,886 and I'm very happy to be working with you, 1169 00:51:38,887 --> 00:51:41,222 et cetera, et cetera, “ just kind of a little introduction, 1170 00:51:41,223 --> 00:51:43,433 and then all of a sudden he almost broke down. 1171 00:51:43,434 --> 00:51:46,644 He said, “this is totally insane. 1172 00:51:46,645 --> 00:51:49,314 I cannot, cannot continue. 1173 00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:52,525 You... I don't know what to do. 1174 00:51:52,526 --> 00:51:56,321 I want to get to my family in the United States. 1175 00:51:56,322 --> 00:51:59,324 I can't stand this. It's complete insanity. 1176 00:51:59,325 --> 00:52:02,118 Would you please, please, please let me out of this?“ 1177 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,370 - I think there was a part of Mike DeLuca 1178 00:52:04,371 --> 00:52:06,331 that was amused by this. 1179 00:52:06,332 --> 00:52:11,419 I think there was a part of several people's attitude 1180 00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:13,964 “let's just see how far this can go.“ 1181 00:52:16,133 --> 00:52:17,383 - it became increasingly obvious 1182 00:52:17,384 --> 00:52:19,427 that we really couldn't do anything. 1183 00:52:19,428 --> 00:52:22,722 The only weather cover sets that we had completed 1184 00:52:22,723 --> 00:52:24,474 were Moreau's laboratory 1185 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:26,934 and the interior's of Moreau's house 1186 00:52:26,935 --> 00:52:27,853 but we didn't have Moreau. 1187 00:52:27,854 --> 00:52:29,937 We couldn't retreat into the weather cover set. 1188 00:52:29,938 --> 00:52:31,856 - Richard was really bad on these days. 1189 00:52:31,857 --> 00:52:33,775 He was being hammered by the dp, 1190 00:52:33,776 --> 00:52:36,194 and everyone was down on him, and he was extremely nervous. 1191 00:52:36,195 --> 00:52:37,612 He was yelling at me. 1192 00:52:37,613 --> 00:52:40,573 - The day was just going by and nothing's really happening 1193 00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:44,952 and finally I see Richard walking around 1194 00:52:44,953 --> 00:52:46,621 and I'm like “hey, Richard, what's going on?“ 1195 00:52:46,622 --> 00:52:49,374 and he's frantically smoking his cigarette, right, 1196 00:52:49,375 --> 00:52:53,294 and he's like “you know, I must be seen every day 1197 00:52:53,295 --> 00:52:55,880 to be attempting to film something," 1198 00:52:55,881 --> 00:52:57,924 and that was what he said, and he walked away. 1199 00:52:57,925 --> 00:53:01,511 And I was like "what's happening here?" 1200 00:53:01,512 --> 00:53:02,512 You know. 1201 00:53:03,722 --> 00:53:06,224 - The order finally come back from new line 1202 00:53:06,225 --> 00:53:11,020 down to... down to us to wait. 1203 00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:13,356 Basically, the production was put on hold, 1204 00:53:13,357 --> 00:53:16,943 which was the prelude to the end. 1205 00:53:16,944 --> 00:53:20,905 - I happened to be at a restaurant where val was 1206 00:53:20,906 --> 00:53:22,740 at another table. 1207 00:53:22,741 --> 00:53:25,493 And he sort of summoned me over 1208 00:53:25,494 --> 00:53:29,497 and started saying how this wasn't working for him 1209 00:53:29,498 --> 00:53:34,419 and, you know, something serious had to happen. 1210 00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:38,715 And I must say I did agree because it wasn't working, 1211 00:53:38,716 --> 00:53:46,716 and so I then called Mike DeLuca at new line 1212 00:53:47,266 --> 00:53:50,518 and woke him up at 4:00 in the morning or something 1213 00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,937 and told him my sad story. 1214 00:53:52,938 --> 00:53:56,107 And he was kind of screaming at me, 1215 00:53:56,108 --> 00:53:58,359 and he said, “well, what do you want me to do?“ 1216 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,028 and I said, “you better look at the footage 1217 00:54:01,029 --> 00:54:02,905 and draw your own conclusions, 1218 00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:06,243 but my view is you need to make a change.“ 1219 00:54:12,541 --> 00:54:15,793 - I had to let Richard go. 1220 00:54:15,794 --> 00:54:18,045 That was the only time in my career 1221 00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:20,173 that I ever had the responsibility 1222 00:54:20,174 --> 00:54:21,549 of changing a director, 1223 00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:23,217 and it was very difficult. 1224 00:54:23,218 --> 00:54:25,970 - It wasn't handled well at all. 1225 00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:29,640 Sort of the call went to his agent 1226 00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:33,978 and was done that way, sort of. 1227 00:54:33,979 --> 00:54:36,606 Not the manly way, you might say. 1228 00:54:36,607 --> 00:54:37,899 - They had to do it, isuppose. 1229 00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,068 I kind of felt like I was on his side, 1230 00:54:41,069 --> 00:54:43,529 and I could feel that they had as well and thought 1231 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:46,867 “I'd better be careful, or they'll be firing me as well.“ 1232 00:54:49,661 --> 00:54:51,579 - fairuza, realizing what happened, 1233 00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:54,373 leapt up and gave an amazing speech to Tim, 1234 00:54:54,374 --> 00:54:55,917 the line producer, 1235 00:54:55,918 --> 00:54:58,377 which explained to him exactly why 1236 00:54:58,378 --> 00:55:02,215 it would be a disaster beyond belief 1237 00:55:02,216 --> 00:55:03,466 if they went down that route. 1238 00:55:03,467 --> 00:55:06,010 - I remember thinking 1239 00:55:06,011 --> 00:55:09,597 "no. This isn't real. 1240 00:55:09,598 --> 00:55:11,474 There's some misunderstanding. 1241 00:55:11,475 --> 00:55:13,142 They're going to work it out." 1242 00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:14,811 “Don't panic, Richard.“ 1243 00:55:14,812 --> 00:55:16,687 - in the course of it all, 1244 00:55:16,688 --> 00:55:18,022 taking it a bit too far, 1245 00:55:18,023 --> 00:55:24,987 she threatened to cut her own heart out with a Sushi knife 1246 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:28,533 if new line closed the project down. 1247 00:55:28,534 --> 00:55:30,368 -And I said, “well, I'm walking. 1248 00:55:30,369 --> 00:55:31,328 I'm not staying. 1249 00:55:31,329 --> 00:55:33,580 There's no reason for me to be here." 1250 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,083 - She ran out of the Sushi restaurant 1251 00:55:37,084 --> 00:55:39,210 and jumped in the limo parked outside 1252 00:55:39,211 --> 00:55:41,587 and told the driver to take her to Sydney. 1253 00:55:41,588 --> 00:55:44,382 She had insufficient grasp of the geography of Australia, 1254 00:55:44,383 --> 00:55:46,968 I think, to know that Sydney was on the opposite side 1255 00:55:46,969 --> 00:55:48,553 of the continent. 1256 00:55:48,554 --> 00:55:50,847 - I may have. I may have. 1257 00:55:50,848 --> 00:55:53,307 I don't... I don't remember how I got there. 1258 00:55:53,308 --> 00:55:56,769 And the driver then drove her clear across the country. 1259 00:55:56,770 --> 00:55:59,021 And he was a guy named Lewis 1260 00:55:59,022 --> 00:56:01,315 who had previously been on the art department, 1261 00:56:01,316 --> 00:56:04,110 who had been fired after some kind of punch up 1262 00:56:04,111 --> 00:56:05,070 in the art department 1263 00:56:05,071 --> 00:56:07,905 and had gotten back onto the project as a driver. 1264 00:56:07,906 --> 00:56:10,908 - I was out of a job by the time I had my second job. 1265 00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:12,076 I had three jobs, 1266 00:56:12,077 --> 00:56:13,619 the second was the project running. 1267 00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:17,999 I got sacked from that because while it was all in limbo, 1268 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,336 fairuza had contacted me and said, 1269 00:56:22,337 --> 00:56:24,463 you know, "what are you doing? 1270 00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:25,923 Do you want to come to Sidney?“ 1271 00:56:25,924 --> 00:56:28,009 I'm like “sure. Let's go.“ 1272 00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:31,470 and when I got back the production didn't know; 1273 00:56:31,471 --> 00:56:35,516 so I had committed some film faux pa. 1274 00:56:35,517 --> 00:56:40,688 - I just rememberfeeling absolutely 1275 00:56:40,689 --> 00:56:44,150 just bewildered and terrible. 1276 00:56:44,151 --> 00:56:46,903 I felt terrible for him, and I did. 1277 00:56:46,904 --> 00:56:50,364 I felt like this was the greatest injustice, 1278 00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:53,034 and we should call the Hollywood reporter, 1279 00:56:53,035 --> 00:56:55,912 and everyone should know that this is what they're doing, 1280 00:56:55,913 --> 00:56:59,332 and, you know, because he was my friend. 1281 00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:00,791 - I went and saw him at his house, 1282 00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:02,919 and he was in the middle of the room, 1283 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,422 just sitting there, paper spread out everywhere, 1284 00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:08,883 and it was a mess. 1285 00:57:08,884 --> 00:57:10,885 - He was very paranoid. 1286 00:57:10,886 --> 00:57:12,386 He was very freaked out. 1287 00:57:12,387 --> 00:57:17,892 I don't think he was sleeping, I mean, beyond upset. 1288 00:57:17,893 --> 00:57:20,269 - He had become quite immersed in the whole project, 1289 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:23,481 to the point where he was living and breathing Moreau 1290 00:57:23,482 --> 00:57:25,858 and then literally just have that murdered. 1291 00:57:25,859 --> 00:57:28,110 I think he went a little bit mad. 1292 00:57:28,111 --> 00:57:30,571 - Who wouldn't have a complete mental breakdown 1293 00:57:30,572 --> 00:57:32,573 at that point if that happened to you? 1294 00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:34,742 You know what I mean? 1295 00:57:34,743 --> 00:57:37,495 Because he was really, really manic. 1296 00:57:37,496 --> 00:57:41,874 - I went back to my headquarters and started shredding documents. 1297 00:57:41,875 --> 00:57:43,376 I was a little vindictive. 1298 00:57:43,377 --> 00:57:45,544 I'd also wanted to make it particularly hard them 1299 00:57:45,545 --> 00:57:47,463 to make that film. 1300 00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:51,550 - In my mind, I was going to leave with him 1301 00:57:51,551 --> 00:57:53,803 and that lawyers were going to be hired 1302 00:57:53,804 --> 00:57:56,180 and that all the actors would walk, 1303 00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,557 and we would shut the production down, 1304 00:57:58,558 --> 00:58:00,726 because everyone would be loyal to him. 1305 00:58:00,727 --> 00:58:04,480 - New line eventually offered to pay me my full fee 1306 00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:06,691 just to shut up and go away. 1307 00:58:06,692 --> 00:58:08,609 In return for which I had to agree 1308 00:58:08,610 --> 00:58:12,446 if the project was revived, not to come within, 1309 00:58:12,447 --> 00:58:16,200 I think, 40 kilometers of the location. 1310 00:58:16,201 --> 00:58:19,078 - We waited for ages for Richard to come out of his bungalow. 1311 00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:20,871 I had been told from the production office 1312 00:58:20,872 --> 00:58:23,040 just to make sure that he gets on this plane. 1313 00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:27,837 Yeah, I remember that, dropping him at the airport 1314 00:58:27,838 --> 00:58:29,797 like I thought I'd been told was to make sure 1315 00:58:29,798 --> 00:58:34,593 he gets on the plane; So he was there, on time. 1316 00:58:34,594 --> 00:58:37,054 But the next morning I got a phone call saying 1317 00:58:37,055 --> 00:58:38,890 "where the hell is Richard Stanley?" 1318 00:58:41,435 --> 00:58:43,060 - I think he had a ticket home from them, 1319 00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:44,228 and he didn't use it, 1320 00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:46,188 and they knew nobody was on the plane. 1321 00:58:46,189 --> 00:58:48,524 He was supposed to be on the plane out of there, 1322 00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:49,734 and he wasn't. 1323 00:58:49,735 --> 00:58:51,068 - Suddenly, he was this missing person. 1324 00:58:51,069 --> 00:58:54,488 So they're just assuming... we totally fucked this person over 1325 00:58:54,489 --> 00:58:57,533 so that must mean there must be some revenge motive 1326 00:58:57,534 --> 00:58:59,285 to do something. 1327 00:58:59,286 --> 00:59:01,120 - I think he made a few threats on his way out. 1328 00:59:01,121 --> 00:59:02,663 - I think he had, yeah. 1329 00:59:02,664 --> 00:59:07,001 - I had been told that some of his aboriginal friends 1330 00:59:07,002 --> 00:59:12,089 had placed rocks around the location to wish us bad luck. 1331 00:59:12,090 --> 00:59:13,632 - A casual remark by grace Walker 1332 00:59:13,633 --> 00:59:14,675 during one of the reckies 1333 00:59:14,676 --> 00:59:16,802 about how if new line tries to throw us out of here, 1334 00:59:16,803 --> 00:59:18,262 we could always blow the whole place up, 1335 00:59:18,263 --> 00:59:20,598 had found its way back to new line 1336 00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,017 who were actually frightened that we might try and blow up 1337 00:59:23,018 --> 00:59:26,437 the set or sabotage the production in some way. 1338 00:59:26,438 --> 00:59:28,939 And we heard that Richard Stanley 1339 00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:31,442 had not worked out. 1340 00:59:31,443 --> 00:59:34,695 So, for most of us here, what does that mean for us? 1341 00:59:34,696 --> 00:59:36,238 Are we going to get a new director? 1342 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:37,573 What does that mean? 1343 00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:39,492 - Production shut down for a couple of weeks. 1344 00:59:39,493 --> 00:59:40,826 They didn't send us home. 1345 00:59:40,827 --> 00:59:44,914 We just sat around and repaired things or painted more pieces 1346 00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:48,167 or whatever and waited for production to resume. 1347 00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:49,835 - We had millions of dollars invested, 1348 00:59:49,836 --> 00:59:52,797 and it wasn't like we were a really big company. 1349 00:59:52,798 --> 00:59:54,965 So we had to continue with it. 1350 00:59:54,966 --> 00:59:57,176 And that's generally my spirit anyhow. 1351 00:59:57,177 --> 00:59:59,261 No matter how hard things are, finish it up, 1352 00:59:59,262 --> 01:00:01,013 and then see what happens. 1353 01:00:01,014 --> 01:00:04,433 - They had to have the same cast because of the makeup effects. 1354 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:05,851 They did life cast everyone. 1355 01:00:05,852 --> 01:00:08,312 They couldn't actually recast the leads; 1356 01:00:08,313 --> 01:00:11,440 so they had to try to hold the original actors to contract. 1357 01:00:11,441 --> 01:00:15,444 - My representation said, “you'll never work again. 1358 01:00:15,445 --> 01:00:17,196 Not only will they sue you 1359 01:00:17,197 --> 01:00:19,657 and garnish your wages for the next 20 years, 1360 01:00:19,658 --> 01:00:23,369 but they will ensure that you don't ever work again 1361 01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:26,622 in this industry, and they'll tarnish your name. 1362 01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:28,332 They'll destroy your reputation, you know, 1363 01:00:28,333 --> 01:00:30,918 because you're not allowed to just walk 1364 01:00:30,919 --> 01:00:32,628 on a multi-million dollar picture.“ 1365 01:00:32,629 --> 01:00:34,922 you know, it wasn'tjust what happened to Richard. 1366 01:00:34,923 --> 01:00:37,843 That was the beginning of the nightmare. 1367 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:44,932 - We met John frankenheimer 1368 01:00:44,933 --> 01:00:47,393 at just a general meeting kind of thing. 1369 01:00:47,394 --> 01:00:49,687 He was an incredibly talented guy, 1370 01:00:49,688 --> 01:00:53,357 but he also had a few films that were not successful. 1371 01:00:53,358 --> 01:00:55,276 He was sort of in the discard pile 1372 01:00:55,277 --> 01:00:56,777 and was looking for again. 1373 01:00:56,778 --> 01:00:58,028 - All the other directors turned it down. 1374 01:00:58,029 --> 01:01:00,406 They went to Philip Hoffman. He turned it down. 1375 01:01:00,407 --> 01:01:01,448 They asked some other people. 1376 01:01:01,449 --> 01:01:03,492 They're like, "how much time do we have to prepare this? 1377 01:01:03,493 --> 01:01:04,493 One week? 1378 01:01:04,494 --> 01:01:05,786 And we're working with kilmer and Brando? 1379 01:01:05,787 --> 01:01:08,831 We have one week for this script, 1380 01:01:08,832 --> 01:01:10,958 and have no vision?“ It's like, “no." 1381 01:01:10,959 --> 01:01:12,835 - I worked with John for 1382 01:01:12,836 --> 01:01:15,296 basically the last decade of his life, 1383 01:01:15,297 --> 01:01:18,549 and he was... 1384 01:01:18,550 --> 01:01:23,012 I don't know. He was an old school guy who was... 1385 01:01:23,013 --> 01:01:25,389 He was a good filmmaker, a very good director. 1386 01:01:25,390 --> 01:01:27,224 While we were together, everything he did, 1387 01:01:27,225 --> 01:01:30,895 he got an award for, except for Moreau. 1388 01:01:30,896 --> 01:01:34,398 - He had a reputation for being an enormously talented 1389 01:01:34,399 --> 01:01:37,109 wrangler of difficult actors 1390 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:39,528 and had worked with some of the most difficult actors around. 1391 01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:41,488 I mean, his background was he knew how to make a movie. 1392 01:01:41,489 --> 01:01:42,740 That's all he cared about. 1393 01:01:42,741 --> 01:01:48,204 - A movie about monsters wasn't exactly John's... 1394 01:01:48,205 --> 01:01:49,705 John would probably not have picked that one out 1395 01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:52,541 if they said, “here. Ten movies, 1396 01:01:52,542 --> 01:01:53,959 which one do you want to direct?" 1397 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,669 This one would not have been on the list. 1398 01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:58,130 - Later on, actually, I asked him 1399 01:01:58,131 --> 01:01:59,548 why he actually did the movie, 1400 01:01:59,549 --> 01:02:02,551 because we all knew that he didn't like the script. 1401 01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:05,763 And so he told me that when they offered him the movie, 1402 01:02:05,764 --> 01:02:08,349 he said to his wife, “so what can we do?“ 1403 01:02:08,350 --> 01:02:13,354 and his wife said, “well, you just ask them for something that 1404 01:02:13,355 --> 01:02:18,943 either they would not agree to or we're really happy people." 1405 01:02:18,944 --> 01:02:20,569 So he asked, as far as I know, 1406 01:02:20,570 --> 01:02:23,280 he asked for a three-picture deal and a lot of money. 1407 01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:24,865 - We're going to fly to Australia and do this movie. 1408 01:02:24,866 --> 01:02:26,575 Well, get out a map. Where is this? 1409 01:02:26,576 --> 01:02:31,163 And I got a rainfall map, and I'm thinking rain? 1410 01:02:31,164 --> 01:02:33,207 I'm an ad. I've got to shoot, 1411 01:02:33,208 --> 01:02:35,501 and I'm looking, and it's color-coded, 1412 01:02:35,502 --> 01:02:37,586 and it gets bluer as it gets to be rain, 1413 01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:39,588 and then there's this one dot, 1414 01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:44,635 little pencil, the size of an eraser head, 1415 01:02:44,636 --> 01:02:46,887 purple, as dark as it possibly could be, 1416 01:02:46,888 --> 01:02:49,556 and I looked closely at the map, and that's where we were going. 1417 01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,351 And I mean, it was a lot of water. 1418 01:02:52,352 --> 01:02:54,019 So I thought, well, that's interesting. 1419 01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:57,398 We're going out to see the set and we leave the hotel 1420 01:02:57,399 --> 01:02:59,483 the first day, we're driving out, 1421 01:02:59,484 --> 01:03:02,528 and I'm looking at my watch and thinking, 1422 01:03:02,529 --> 01:03:06,198 well, this is a half hour, 40, 55 minutes 1423 01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:07,491 on these little roads. 1424 01:03:07,492 --> 01:03:09,994 I mean, five minutes away from the hotel, 1425 01:03:09,995 --> 01:03:11,120 and we're in jungle. 1426 01:03:11,121 --> 01:03:13,372 You're looking at jungle. 1427 01:03:13,373 --> 01:03:17,251 But 55 miles away, you're also looking at jungle. 1428 01:03:17,252 --> 01:03:20,045 When you're in the jungle, what do you see? Jungle. 1429 01:03:20,046 --> 01:03:24,174 And it's like... okay. 1430 01:03:24,175 --> 01:03:25,551 Well, we had to plant some of this too, 1431 01:03:25,552 --> 01:03:28,804 because it's a banana plantation, oh god. 1432 01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:30,681 So they had actually gone to the jungle 1433 01:03:30,682 --> 01:03:32,474 and then planted some jungle 1434 01:03:32,475 --> 01:03:35,269 and then built this thing an hour away from the hotel. 1435 01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:36,770 Every day an hour driving. 1436 01:03:36,771 --> 01:03:40,024 So it's two hours out of my day to get there. 1437 01:03:40,025 --> 01:03:41,275 And they said, “why did you do that? 1438 01:03:41,276 --> 01:03:43,819 Well when it's clear, and you look up there, 1439 01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:44,862 you can see this mountain. 1440 01:03:44,863 --> 01:03:47,448 It's the highest mountain in Australia.“ 1441 01:03:47,449 --> 01:03:49,658 “really? Okay.“ 1442 01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:52,870 that mountain was visible for about an hour and a half 1443 01:03:52,871 --> 01:03:54,079 the whole time we were there. 1444 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,414 And when it did come out, 1445 01:03:55,415 --> 01:03:58,208 we had to dig a hole this deep to put the camera in, 1446 01:03:58,209 --> 01:04:00,085 because it was so close to the mountain. 1447 01:04:00,086 --> 01:04:03,422 It was, like, all of it wrong, all of it wrong, useless. 1448 01:04:03,423 --> 01:04:05,924 - I was always getting flack about how far 1449 01:04:05,925 --> 01:04:07,384 I'd built the set from town 1450 01:04:07,385 --> 01:04:09,386 and how far everyone had to travel each day 1451 01:04:09,387 --> 01:04:10,387 and blah, blah, 1452 01:04:10,388 --> 01:04:15,267 but I'd searched for months to find this particular location 1453 01:04:15,268 --> 01:04:16,727 that we carved out. 1454 01:04:16,728 --> 01:04:18,855 We had carved it out of the rain forest. 1455 01:04:21,441 --> 01:04:23,817 - We had one week to prep. 1456 01:04:23,818 --> 01:04:27,446 One we week had to get to meet everybody, basically, 1457 01:04:27,447 --> 01:04:28,989 and to see what was going on. 1458 01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:30,157 - They said I had to come to dinner, 1459 01:04:30,158 --> 01:04:32,618 and that our director - our new director was here. 1460 01:04:32,619 --> 01:04:37,748 And this older gentleman in director gear 1461 01:04:37,749 --> 01:04:40,834 with this jungle hat on came into the restaurant. 1462 01:04:40,835 --> 01:04:42,419 And at one point during the dinner, 1463 01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:43,171 I actually asked him 1464 01:04:43,172 --> 01:04:45,047 “so, what's your take on this this story? 1465 01:04:45,048 --> 01:04:47,508 Is there a certain vision?“ 1466 01:04:47,509 --> 01:04:52,679 and he's like “Marco, vision, that's an overused word. 1467 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,139 I'm telling you, it's not about a vision. 1468 01:04:54,140 --> 01:04:56,475 It's about, I'm trying to tell a story here, okay.“ 1469 01:04:56,476 --> 01:05:00,479 “I mean, yeah, how are you going to tell this story?“ 1470 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,191 "oh, we're going to see. I brought in my own writer." 1471 01:05:04,192 --> 01:05:06,318 So I'm like, okay, it's going to be a different movie, 1472 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:07,112 I guess, now. 1473 01:05:07,113 --> 01:05:09,780 - He brought in a new dp, William fraker, 1474 01:05:09,781 --> 01:05:13,242 he brought me and a couple of other people, 1475 01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:15,661 and was going along with the cast. 1476 01:05:15,662 --> 01:05:18,330 They had to recast at the last minute, 1477 01:05:18,331 --> 01:05:19,957 David thewlis came in. 1478 01:05:19,958 --> 01:05:21,458 - I didn't want to be involved in something 1479 01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:22,835 that just seemed so cynical. 1480 01:05:22,836 --> 01:05:24,128 He tried to get me to stay. 1481 01:05:24,129 --> 01:05:26,046 He couldn't believe that this young kid was 1482 01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:28,715 sitting there saying "no" to John frankenheimer. 1483 01:05:28,716 --> 01:05:32,511 - Initially, he's like "listen, I've just been brought in. 1484 01:05:32,512 --> 01:05:35,431 I don't what's going on. I'm just a director. 1485 01:05:35,432 --> 01:05:38,308 I'm here to try to do a job. 1486 01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:40,644 I need all the help I can get from you, 1487 01:05:40,645 --> 01:05:42,688 you know, just be on my side, 1488 01:05:42,689 --> 01:05:47,401 and we'll get through this", type thing. 1489 01:05:47,402 --> 01:05:51,196 Within three or four days, 1490 01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:54,825 that had changed to name calling, 1491 01:05:54,826 --> 01:05:57,995 and it changed to being screamed at. 1492 01:05:57,996 --> 01:06:00,038 This man hated my guts. 1493 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,249 - But frankenheimer was a freak. 1494 01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:03,625 He was a real freak. 1495 01:06:03,626 --> 01:06:06,378 I was on a production run and had to drop some new script 1496 01:06:06,379 --> 01:06:08,464 around his place one night and, you know, 1497 01:06:08,465 --> 01:06:10,966 they gave me the script, and I knew where he lived. 1498 01:06:10,967 --> 01:06:13,552 Driven straight to his place, knocked on the door. 1499 01:06:13,553 --> 01:06:16,305 Frankenheimer came to the door, and he's like 1500 01:06:16,306 --> 01:06:18,682 "Oliver, you're late.“ 1501 01:06:18,683 --> 01:06:21,311 so I was like all right. “All right, dude. 1502 01:06:22,562 --> 01:06:23,729 Here's your script, man." 1503 01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:25,856 - The first week we went pretty slow 1504 01:06:25,857 --> 01:06:27,608 because we were still sorting things out. 1505 01:06:27,609 --> 01:06:31,820 Script pages were coming in on the fax from the us, 1506 01:06:31,821 --> 01:06:33,280 and then we finally brought out a writer 1507 01:06:33,281 --> 01:06:34,115 and then another writer. 1508 01:06:34,116 --> 01:06:35,574 - There was a writer there all the time being like, 1509 01:06:35,575 --> 01:06:36,867 “why don't we —-" 1510 01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:39,077 “oh, that's a great idea. Yeah, let's do that.“ 1511 01:06:39,078 --> 01:06:40,579 "oh god, here we go again." 1512 01:06:40,580 --> 01:06:43,665 - It was really... John had to decide... had to figure out 1513 01:06:43,666 --> 01:06:47,252 how the story could be shaped into a story he wanted to tell, 1514 01:06:47,253 --> 01:06:51,048 and it was not what the previous director had planned. 1515 01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:52,549 - It was always drifting away 1516 01:06:52,550 --> 01:06:57,387 from what Richard's ideas for the story were. 1517 01:06:57,388 --> 01:06:59,640 - He came to the set and he said to everyone, 1518 01:06:59,641 --> 01:07:03,101 “look, I did this a couple times in my life. 1519 01:07:03,102 --> 01:07:05,062 I came in, you know, somebody else got fired, 1520 01:07:05,063 --> 01:07:06,188 and I rescued their movie. 1521 01:07:06,189 --> 01:07:09,691 And it turned —- both times it turned out well. 1522 01:07:09,692 --> 01:07:11,151 So let's see how this one goes." 1523 01:07:11,152 --> 01:07:12,528 - No bull shit. - Let's not muck around. 1524 01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:14,571 Let's get it happening. 1525 01:07:14,572 --> 01:07:18,450 Little did he know... he... Things... 1526 01:07:18,451 --> 01:07:21,703 Nothing really changed in terms of efficiency 1527 01:07:21,704 --> 01:07:23,080 when he got there. 1528 01:07:23,081 --> 01:07:25,541 I was only meant to be there three, four weeks. 1529 01:07:25,542 --> 01:07:28,085 I was there for like six months. 1530 01:07:28,086 --> 01:07:29,754 It was great. 1531 01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:40,097 - If I knew this was going to be totally insane, 1532 01:07:40,098 --> 01:07:42,766 and that we were going to be hugely lucky 1533 01:07:42,767 --> 01:07:44,101 if we just finished a film 1534 01:07:44,102 --> 01:07:45,978 with a beginning, middle, and an end. 1535 01:07:45,979 --> 01:07:47,563 - Everyone knew it was a total tough shoot, 1536 01:07:47,564 --> 01:07:48,730 and it was a tough shoot. 1537 01:07:48,731 --> 01:07:51,233 - There was a lot of friction between the actors, 1538 01:07:51,234 --> 01:07:54,945 some of the actors, and John, 1539 01:07:54,946 --> 01:08:00,200 mainly because of John's behavior towards them. 1540 01:08:00,201 --> 01:08:02,327 - John is... can be very strong, 1541 01:08:02,328 --> 01:08:06,832 and if he has a disliking towards someone, 1542 01:08:06,833 --> 01:08:09,126 he would just let 'em have it. 1543 01:08:09,127 --> 01:08:12,462 He was kind of a little bit of a tyrant that way. 1544 01:08:12,463 --> 01:08:14,047 He was that way in all the movies he did. 1545 01:08:14,048 --> 01:08:15,257 It wasn't just this one. 1546 01:08:15,258 --> 01:08:19,011 - He's really, really one of the last old school screamers. 1547 01:08:19,012 --> 01:08:20,887 You know, he would bark out his orders, 1548 01:08:20,888 --> 01:08:22,598 and he was just this rough, tough guy, 1549 01:08:22,599 --> 01:08:23,849 and you could imitate him. 1550 01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:25,434 - Things are going to change around here. 1551 01:08:25,435 --> 01:08:26,810 - "Man, you're on camera 1, 1552 01:08:26,811 --> 01:08:29,980 and camera 2, you better be ready to catch it the second...“ 1553 01:08:29,981 --> 01:08:31,773 - "and then you're got to throw the torch, 1554 01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:33,650 and the whole thing goes up into flames." 1555 01:08:33,651 --> 01:08:35,235 - He wanted people to do their jobs, 1556 01:08:35,236 --> 01:08:38,905 you know, and that... from the guys doing to the lighting 1557 01:08:38,906 --> 01:08:42,451 to guys doing the special effects makeup to the actors. 1558 01:08:42,452 --> 01:08:45,579 -And he was heavy handed with the Australian crew, 1559 01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:49,583 which he would loudly denounce at lunch and say 1560 01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:52,085 it was the worst crew he had ever seen 1561 01:08:52,086 --> 01:08:54,463 and he wanted his American crew. 1562 01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:55,631 - And the crew, 1563 01:08:55,632 --> 01:08:57,591 which they do a lot in a lot of shoots 1564 01:08:57,592 --> 01:08:59,718 and still do is make up crew t-shirts. 1565 01:08:59,719 --> 01:09:01,637 The t-shirt had on it, as a quote 1566 01:09:01,638 --> 01:09:04,765 which was a quote from the movie one of the dialogs of film 1567 01:09:04,766 --> 01:09:06,600 “you don't have to obey these bastards. 1568 01:09:06,601 --> 01:09:08,186 They're not gods." 1569 01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:13,649 - He had no idea what a didgeridoo was 1570 01:09:13,650 --> 01:09:16,109 or what the instrument meant, 1571 01:09:16,110 --> 01:09:18,028 because at one stage he called me, and he says, 1572 01:09:18,029 --> 01:09:21,865 “David, I want you to get that dickeridoo, 1573 01:09:21,866 --> 01:09:24,034 and I want you to smash him over the head." 1574 01:09:24,035 --> 01:09:28,622 I said, "John, I'm not going to do that with a didgeridoo. 1575 01:09:28,623 --> 01:09:31,958 This... a didgeridoo is a sacred instrument to me 1576 01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:33,418 and to aboriginal peoples. 1577 01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:35,253 - He didn't seem like he particularly 1578 01:09:35,254 --> 01:09:36,672 wanted to be either. 1579 01:09:36,673 --> 01:09:38,006 I know he didn't, 1580 01:09:38,007 --> 01:09:40,092 but he was there because he wanted to work with 1581 01:09:40,093 --> 01:09:42,762 Marlon Brando, like everybody did. 1582 01:09:44,806 --> 01:09:47,599 - Basically, he was hired to work for two weeks, 1583 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,435 and so I said, "but, you know, you have to absolutely 1584 01:09:50,436 --> 01:09:52,437 be here on this date." 1585 01:09:52,438 --> 01:09:55,148 Of course, not only did he not show up, 1586 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,485 he was nowhere to be found, and none of his lawyer, 1587 01:09:58,486 --> 01:10:01,488 agents, or anybody knew where he was, 1588 01:10:01,489 --> 01:10:02,864 purportedly. 1589 01:10:02,865 --> 01:10:06,284 And then then about a week after he was due to report, 1590 01:10:06,285 --> 01:10:08,954 he did show up, 1591 01:10:08,955 --> 01:10:12,332 and then John was uncharacteristically 1592 01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:13,834 very nervous. 1593 01:10:13,835 --> 01:10:16,002 - And everybody's all “Marlon's coming to the set. 1594 01:10:16,003 --> 01:10:17,087 He's coming to the set." 1595 01:10:17,088 --> 01:10:19,172 An hour goes by. 1596 01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:20,173 “He's coming. Get ready. 1597 01:10:20,174 --> 01:10:21,466 Have everything ready." 1598 01:10:21,467 --> 01:10:23,468 And frankenheimer was like "have the cameras ready." 1599 01:10:23,469 --> 01:10:25,095 And then I don't hear from him until about 1600 01:10:25,096 --> 01:10:26,972 3:00 in the afternoon. 1601 01:10:26,973 --> 01:10:30,308 He said, “well, I'm ready. Ready to shoot, “ so “fine." 1602 01:10:30,309 --> 01:10:33,687 And I look and out of the jungle this... 1603 01:10:33,688 --> 01:10:36,064 This... this... 1604 01:10:36,065 --> 01:10:38,525 I couldn't really tell what was going on, 1605 01:10:38,526 --> 01:10:41,194 but this person emerges out of... 1606 01:10:41,195 --> 01:10:44,406 Because we were in the middle of this banana plantation. 1607 01:10:44,407 --> 01:10:46,074 This really thick jungle. 1608 01:10:46,075 --> 01:10:48,702 - In the scene he was in a palanquin. 1609 01:10:48,703 --> 01:10:51,079 He was supposed to be being brought in. 1610 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,248 - I thought maybe it was one of the creatures 1611 01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:54,750 or something that I hadn't seen 1612 01:10:54,751 --> 01:10:56,626 that was like a different design, 1613 01:10:56,627 --> 01:11:00,672 and it was Marlon. 1614 01:11:00,673 --> 01:11:02,091 - Release him. 1615 01:11:04,135 --> 01:11:05,594 Release him. 1616 01:11:05,595 --> 01:11:09,348 And he was in a... 1617 01:11:12,602 --> 01:11:14,686 Looked like cheese cloth, 1618 01:11:14,687 --> 01:11:17,314 like a very, very thin linen 1619 01:11:17,315 --> 01:11:20,776 that he'd wrapped around himself like a diaper. 1620 01:11:20,777 --> 01:11:23,528 He covered himself in white paint. 1621 01:11:23,529 --> 01:11:26,198 - Don't you feel the heat? 1622 01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:27,365 Because I do. 1623 01:11:27,366 --> 01:11:29,367 I can't... I can't tolerate the sun. 1624 01:11:29,368 --> 01:11:31,328 - It was explained that 1625 01:11:31,329 --> 01:11:33,205 the white face was kind of a makeup 1626 01:11:33,206 --> 01:11:35,707 that he only wore out in the sun. 1627 01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:39,920 So I talked to frankenheimer and asked 1628 01:11:39,921 --> 01:11:41,963 if the dialect he used was also something 1629 01:11:41,964 --> 01:11:43,465 that he would change, 1630 01:11:43,466 --> 01:11:47,010 interior and exterior, and Brando was a ham operator. 1631 01:11:47,011 --> 01:11:48,887 He was listening to our phone call, 1632 01:11:48,888 --> 01:11:52,808 and he said, “if you want to direct the film, 1633 01:11:52,809 --> 01:11:55,060 when I showed up on the set. If you want to direct the film," 1634 01:11:55,061 --> 01:11:59,314 he banned me from the set for questioning this. 1635 01:11:59,315 --> 01:12:04,361 - The whole white-faced thing was... 1636 01:12:04,362 --> 01:12:08,073 Was that mad or was that genius? 1637 01:12:08,074 --> 01:12:12,410 Because the whole whiteface, wearing sun glasses 1638 01:12:12,411 --> 01:12:14,704 meant that Marlon Brando's stand-in 1639 01:12:14,705 --> 01:12:17,582 could do quite a lot of the picture for him. 1640 01:12:17,583 --> 01:12:19,584 - Brando is in the palanquin 1641 01:12:19,585 --> 01:12:21,419 and he says, “you know, John, 1642 01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:25,298 I think we need some peacock feathers behind my head. 1643 01:12:25,299 --> 01:12:28,677 Wouldn't it look better if we had some peacock feathers?“ 1644 01:12:28,678 --> 01:12:32,180 and out of the corner of my eye, I see the art director, 1645 01:12:32,181 --> 01:12:35,100 who's a wonderful guy who could do anything, 1646 01:12:35,101 --> 01:12:37,269 running like hell to his car. 1647 01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:39,312 And so everybody then sat around again, 1648 01:12:39,313 --> 01:12:41,356 and we're waiting for peacock feathers 1649 01:12:41,357 --> 01:12:42,816 in the middle of nowhere, 1650 01:12:42,817 --> 01:12:45,485 and then about 20 minutes later, the... 1651 01:12:45,486 --> 01:12:49,447 Gracie, I think, was his name— Came roaring back in, 1652 01:12:49,448 --> 01:12:52,325 holding up the peacock feathers. 1653 01:12:52,326 --> 01:12:54,160 And I said, "where the hell did you get those from?" 1654 01:12:54,161 --> 01:12:57,038 And he had found a peacock that was on the road, 1655 01:12:57,039 --> 01:13:00,250 out by a farm somewhere, he'd remembered seeing it, 1656 01:13:00,251 --> 01:13:05,381 and he leapt on the peacock and pulled all the feathers out. 1657 01:13:06,215 --> 01:13:08,884 - He was just delighted by everyone, 1658 01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,219 expressed all kinds of glee 1659 01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:13,096 at seeing all these wonderful faces 1660 01:13:13,097 --> 01:13:14,681 and the heads and the monsters, 1661 01:13:14,682 --> 01:13:16,766 and he wanted to meet everybody so... 1662 01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:18,226 I mean, everybody. 1663 01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:19,978 - I was dressed as a feral pig. 1664 01:13:19,979 --> 01:13:21,771 Someone else was dressed as a goat. 1665 01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:23,189 Someone else was a bison. 1666 01:13:23,190 --> 01:13:25,650 Someone else was dressed as a monkey. 1667 01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:28,028 So we although we feel we met Marlon Brando, 1668 01:13:28,029 --> 01:13:32,032 he, I'm sure, just met a number of grotesque animals 1669 01:13:32,033 --> 01:13:33,366 that he wouldn't recognize again 1670 01:13:33,367 --> 01:13:36,036 and shook trotters and paws and claws with us. 1671 01:13:36,037 --> 01:13:38,079 -Atypical day with Marlon. 1672 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,874 Marlon would arrive... he would arrive at 9:00 o'clock, 1673 01:13:40,875 --> 01:13:42,459 and he would go into the trailer 1674 01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:44,920 and then John would go in there and start talking to him, 1675 01:13:44,921 --> 01:13:47,964 and the executives would stand around in a circle 1676 01:13:47,965 --> 01:13:50,175 and scour and scowl 1677 01:13:50,176 --> 01:13:53,261 and look down and not know what to do. 1678 01:13:53,262 --> 01:13:56,890 Hours went by, maybe an hour, half an hour before lunch, 1679 01:13:56,891 --> 01:13:58,600 they would come out, and they would tour the set, 1680 01:13:58,601 --> 01:14:00,810 and talked about the scene we're about to shoot, 1681 01:14:00,811 --> 01:14:03,355 and Marion would amend a bunch of things. 1682 01:14:03,356 --> 01:14:05,941 - I remember frankenheimer trying to talk to him 1683 01:14:05,942 --> 01:14:07,275 about the scene, 1684 01:14:07,276 --> 01:14:10,820 and Marion saying "no, no, no, no, no. 1685 01:14:10,821 --> 01:14:13,782 Instead of it being about violence 1686 01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:16,326 and all this pain and suffering, 1687 01:14:16,327 --> 01:14:19,454 I think that all that animal-people 1688 01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:20,164 should get together, 1689 01:14:20,165 --> 01:14:22,499 and there should be a grand celebration, 1690 01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:23,959 like a bar mitzvah," 1691 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,087 and I thought he's fucking with them. 1692 01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:29,673 - He was always playing with the idea of being hot, 1693 01:14:29,674 --> 01:14:30,591 and overheated. 1694 01:14:30,592 --> 01:14:33,176 He wanted an ice bucket on top of his head. 1695 01:14:33,177 --> 01:14:34,136 - Frankenheimer says, 1696 01:14:34,137 --> 01:14:35,845 “what? An ice bucket on your head?“ 1697 01:14:35,846 --> 01:14:36,764 he said, "yes. 1698 01:14:36,765 --> 01:14:38,223 Something to keep my head warm, 1699 01:14:38,224 --> 01:14:40,850 because it is so hot, you know.“ 1700 01:14:40,851 --> 01:14:42,852 so Johnny, the prop guy, found a- 1701 01:14:42,853 --> 01:14:44,354 it was a sauce pan or something, 1702 01:14:44,355 --> 01:14:45,689 and we cut the bottom out of it, 1703 01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:47,732 and it fitted on his head perfectly. 1704 01:14:47,733 --> 01:14:51,403 And then fairuza balk's character tips the ice in. 1705 01:14:51,404 --> 01:14:53,071 No one ever knew that he wanted ice 1706 01:14:53,072 --> 01:14:55,615 or an ice bucket on his head so we had to make it quickly. 1707 01:14:55,616 --> 01:14:58,785 - You had to just keep taking away problems 1708 01:14:58,786 --> 01:15:01,955 that he created in order to put the work off 1709 01:15:01,956 --> 01:15:04,207 and then finally you got the work. 1710 01:15:04,208 --> 01:15:06,042 - This one day I said, "can we talk?" 1711 01:15:06,043 --> 01:15:07,585 And he said, “what is it, clear?“ 1712 01:15:07,586 --> 01:15:09,212 and I said, "I don't know. 1713 01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:14,217 Just in terms of our characters and how they relate. 1714 01:15:14,218 --> 01:15:17,512 I'd like to have some time to do that.“ 1715 01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:20,932 and he said, "no. 1716 01:15:20,933 --> 01:15:24,102 This is all insane. 1717 01:15:24,103 --> 01:15:26,312 I'm getting paid. 1718 01:15:26,313 --> 01:15:28,898 You're getting paid. 1719 01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:32,152 None of the scripts make sense; So why worry? 1720 01:15:32,153 --> 01:15:34,404 You know, just relax. Just do what you're doing. 1721 01:15:34,405 --> 01:15:37,032 You're beautiful, don't worry about it. 1722 01:15:37,033 --> 01:15:39,075 And I said, "but I mean, how the characters relate. 1723 01:15:39,076 --> 01:15:40,952 Isn't there?" 1724 01:15:40,953 --> 01:15:42,996 "Nah, I didn't read the script." 1725 01:15:42,997 --> 01:15:46,124 - He never would learn his lines, 1726 01:15:46,125 --> 01:15:49,002 and he had Caroline, his assistant, 1727 01:15:49,003 --> 01:15:54,466 read lines from the trailer into this little ear piece. 1728 01:15:54,467 --> 01:16:00,096 And I remember one time a take was going rather smoothly, 1729 01:16:00,097 --> 01:16:02,307 and then he stopped in the middle of it said, 1730 01:16:02,308 --> 01:16:05,560 “god damn it, Caroline, I told you not to act.“ 1731 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,812 - frankenheimer actually called me at one point. 1732 01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:10,273 Again, it was one of those "you don't know me, 1733 01:16:10,274 --> 01:16:12,650 but I have to talk to the head of the company.“ 1734 01:16:12,651 --> 01:16:14,402 I said, "what is it?" 1735 01:16:14,403 --> 01:16:17,989 He said, "this is complete insanity here, 1736 01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:20,658 and I have to tell you I've dealt with some very, 1737 01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:22,368 very difficult actors in my life, 1738 01:16:22,369 --> 01:16:25,038 but I have never ever dealt with somebody 1739 01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:27,082 like Marlon Brando. 1740 01:16:27,083 --> 01:16:30,585 We're driving and he stops the car and says, 1741 01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:33,004 "let's fuck Bob shaye." 1742 01:16:33,005 --> 01:16:36,674 And I said... this is John saying to me 1743 01:16:36,675 --> 01:16:37,759 "well, why? 1744 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:38,719 He seems like a pretty nice guy, 1745 01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:39,886 why should we do that?" 1746 01:16:39,887 --> 01:16:41,888 He said, “well, he doesn't know what he's doing, 1747 01:16:41,889 --> 01:16:45,141 and what I think we should do is just close down the production, 1748 01:16:45,142 --> 01:16:49,187 and you and I are going to rewrite the script 1749 01:16:49,188 --> 01:16:51,981 and we'll spend six or eight weeks rewriting it, 1750 01:16:51,982 --> 01:16:55,652 because I have some ideas about how Dr. Moreau 1751 01:16:55,653 --> 01:16:57,654 should be wearing a hat all the time 1752 01:16:57,655 --> 01:16:59,656 and at the end of the movie, he takes off his hat, 1753 01:16:59,657 --> 01:17:03,076 and he's actually dolphin. 1754 01:17:03,077 --> 01:17:05,912 So then I knew we were in serious, 1755 01:17:05,913 --> 01:17:08,039 serious bad shape. 1756 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:12,210 - John referred to Brando as a genius; 1757 01:17:12,211 --> 01:17:14,712 after the movie, he didn't. 1758 01:17:14,713 --> 01:17:17,966 - Brando looked at me and was like, “oh, okay. 1759 01:17:17,967 --> 01:17:21,469 So you are the German actor; Right?" 1760 01:17:21,470 --> 01:17:23,888 "Yes, I'm the German actor." 1761 01:17:23,889 --> 01:17:26,141 "I do talk some German. 1762 01:17:34,108 --> 01:17:36,901 I had no idea- not German; Right? 1763 01:17:36,902 --> 01:17:40,113 So I said, “Mr. Brando, I'm sorry. 1764 01:17:40,114 --> 01:17:41,865 I did not understand that." 1765 01:17:41,866 --> 01:17:43,700 He said, “you are German; Right?“ 1766 01:17:43,701 --> 01:17:46,661 "yes, I'm German," 1767 01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:55,628 “Ah, 'katze' is cat and 'dach' is roof; 1768 01:17:55,629 --> 01:17:57,714 so you are talking about 1769 01:17:57,715 --> 01:18:00,258 the cat on the hot tin roof; Right?“ 1770 01:18:00,259 --> 01:18:01,593 "no. 1771 01:18:07,474 --> 01:18:09,601 “Ah, okay. I got it.“ 1772 01:18:09,602 --> 01:18:11,186 and I have no idea what he was talking about. 1773 01:18:11,187 --> 01:18:12,896 And then zinnemann said, 1774 01:18:12,897 --> 01:18:14,480 "I think what he's talking about is, you know, 1775 01:18:14,481 --> 01:18:17,400 it's better to kill two birds with a stone, whatever. 1776 01:18:17,401 --> 01:18:18,860 He made something up. 1777 01:18:18,861 --> 01:18:20,195 I don't think know, and Brando's like “exactly. 1778 01:18:20,196 --> 01:18:22,655 He talks better German than you.“ 1779 01:18:22,656 --> 01:18:24,115 “Mr. Brando, we need you on the set.“ 1780 01:18:24,116 --> 01:18:25,617 "I've got to go now." 1781 01:18:25,618 --> 01:18:26,577 Last time I talked to him. 1782 01:18:26,578 --> 01:18:27,869 Never talked to him again; Right? 1783 01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:29,996 And the next thing I heard actually is that he actually 1784 01:18:29,997 --> 01:18:34,083 did something very similar to Nelson de la Rosa. 1785 01:18:34,084 --> 01:18:35,835 "Oh, you're the Spanish actor?" 1786 01:18:35,836 --> 01:18:37,754 "Si, senor." 1787 01:18:37,755 --> 01:18:40,006 "So I do speak some Spanish 1788 01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:45,053 "Si, senor." 1789 01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:46,221 I love this guy. 1790 01:18:46,222 --> 01:18:49,182 I want this guy in every scene, every scene with me, 1791 01:18:49,183 --> 01:18:50,475 every scene." 1792 01:18:50,476 --> 01:18:52,810 Zinnemann, "sorry, Mr. Brando. 1793 01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:56,105 No, we can't do that because he is not an actor.“ 1794 01:18:56,106 --> 01:18:58,942 "I teach him how to act." 1795 01:18:58,943 --> 01:19:01,236 "Okay, you know, but he doesn't speak English." 1796 01:19:01,237 --> 01:19:03,279 "Ah, just dub him." 1797 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,741 "I mean, but you know, 1798 01:19:06,742 --> 01:19:10,161 Marco hofschneider is in every scene with you.“ 1799 01:19:10,162 --> 01:19:13,623 "well, I guess we just have to change the script, 1800 01:19:13,624 --> 01:19:14,749 and that was it. 1801 01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:16,417 He took my part away. 1802 01:19:16,418 --> 01:19:18,044 I mean, Brando gave him the part, but man, 1803 01:19:18,045 --> 01:19:20,338 you know, I was I thought I had a problem with kilmer. 1804 01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,216 No, I had a problem with the smallest man in the world, 1805 01:19:23,217 --> 01:19:25,218 and I lost to him. 1806 01:19:25,219 --> 01:19:26,679 That's something. 1807 01:19:27,638 --> 01:19:30,598 - So Nelson was about 17 inches or something. 1808 01:19:30,599 --> 01:19:33,101 I think he stood this high. 1809 01:19:33,102 --> 01:19:38,356 Anyway, He talked like this as well 1810 01:19:40,567 --> 01:19:44,737 And he would draw you pictures. 1811 01:19:44,738 --> 01:19:47,865 And the pictures were really kind of childlike. 1812 01:19:47,866 --> 01:19:50,243 He would say these things to us, 1813 01:19:50,244 --> 01:19:52,036 and his sister would interpret, 1814 01:19:52,037 --> 01:19:55,164 and sometimes his sister would just shake her head 1815 01:19:55,165 --> 01:19:57,333 and say “I'm not, “ and I said, 1816 01:19:57,334 --> 01:20:00,211 “you cannot... you're not here to censor what he says, 1817 01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:02,880 because he was 27 years old or something, 1818 01:20:02,881 --> 01:20:06,759 and I said, “you just need to interpret 1819 01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,512 so that he's part of whatever's happening," 1820 01:20:09,513 --> 01:20:10,888 and she said, 1821 01:20:10,889 --> 01:20:13,433 “Nelson wants to know what you're doing later. 1822 01:20:13,434 --> 01:20:16,394 Do want to come around to his room?" 1823 01:20:16,395 --> 01:20:19,647 “Okay. We might just... you can censor. 1824 01:20:19,648 --> 01:20:20,524 That's fine." 1825 01:20:20,525 --> 01:20:21,941 - Very popular with the ladies. 1826 01:20:21,942 --> 01:20:23,943 They loved having him up on their laps. 1827 01:20:23,944 --> 01:20:26,696 It was great fun going out with him to cairns in the nightclubs. 1828 01:20:26,697 --> 01:20:29,157 They'd be out queueing up and looking for ID for people, 1829 01:20:29,158 --> 01:20:32,201 and then they'd see him, and on he'd go, 1830 01:20:32,202 --> 01:20:35,455 but you'd have to kind of dance in a circle around him 1831 01:20:35,456 --> 01:20:36,998 so that he didn't get trodden on. 1832 01:20:36,999 --> 01:20:40,335 - We would go out, and we'd go dancing and stuff, 1833 01:20:40,336 --> 01:20:46,841 and he'd get down but yeah, he was very sexual. 1834 01:20:46,842 --> 01:20:49,093 - But even Nelson started acting up, 1835 01:20:49,094 --> 01:20:51,346 once Marlon decided he loved him. 1836 01:20:51,347 --> 01:20:55,600 - We were standing in the elevator at one point, 1837 01:20:55,601 --> 01:20:58,102 and I said, “hey, Nelson. How was your day?“ 1838 01:20:58,103 --> 01:20:59,771 "shut up," 1839 01:20:59,772 --> 01:21:02,857 and he actually hit me in the nuts. 1840 01:21:02,858 --> 01:21:06,027 And I'm like “oh, fuck, “ and I can't do anything. 1841 01:21:06,028 --> 01:21:09,322 It's like if somebody would see you like kicking the smallest 1842 01:21:09,323 --> 01:21:11,240 man in the world around, you're in trouble. 1843 01:21:11,241 --> 01:21:13,242 - He started getting lines written for him, 1844 01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:18,414 and he started getting the same costume as Marlon was wearing. 1845 01:21:18,415 --> 01:21:19,791 That was all Marlon, 1846 01:21:19,792 --> 01:21:23,127 saying, “I want to get him as my sidekick.“ 1847 01:21:23,128 --> 01:21:27,590 - the guy who I had making all the props, he was a genius. 1848 01:21:27,591 --> 01:21:31,969 He built this beautiful little grand piano that we sat on top 1849 01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:35,681 of the grand piano that Brando was playing, 1850 01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:37,935 and they played. 1851 01:21:41,271 --> 01:21:43,481 I think it's one of the greatest scenes ever. 1852 01:21:43,482 --> 01:21:46,609 And I think that's when the whole mini-me thing developed, 1853 01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:49,153 which has gone into south park, 1854 01:21:49,154 --> 01:21:52,031 with Marlon adopting this little guy. 1855 01:21:52,032 --> 01:21:53,199 - I said, “you know, 1856 01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:54,742 you really get along with him, “ and he said, 1857 01:21:54,743 --> 01:21:57,203 “well, I'm telling you this movie, 1858 01:21:57,204 --> 01:22:02,375 nobody's going to care about anything except this young man, 1859 01:22:02,376 --> 01:22:06,462 because he's fascinating. He is just human artwork. 1860 01:22:06,463 --> 01:22:09,632 - You know, I will say that in Richard's defense 1861 01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:14,595 any day it's like, Marlon Brando and val kilmer 1862 01:22:14,596 --> 01:22:18,724 were there to mess with the film as much as possible. 1863 01:22:18,725 --> 01:22:21,436 Marlon was there with his legendary contempt 1864 01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:23,187 for what he does for a living, 1865 01:22:23,188 --> 01:22:25,815 but he was a little more fun about it 1866 01:22:25,816 --> 01:22:28,025 and he was also respectful to all of us. 1867 01:22:28,026 --> 01:22:32,238 Val was best described by someone 1868 01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:34,323 as a prep school bully. 1869 01:22:34,324 --> 01:22:37,118 - In the makeup room, he came to me and he's like, 1870 01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:38,828 “you know, I saw europa, europa. 1871 01:22:38,829 --> 01:22:41,539 You're a very good actor. I like what you did there.“ 1872 01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:43,249 and I was like, "oh, nice. Thank you." 1873 01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:45,835 "Yeah, just to make one thing clear, yeah. 1874 01:22:45,836 --> 01:22:48,880 If it's ever going to be between you and me, 1875 01:22:48,881 --> 01:22:51,549 it's going to be me," 1876 01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:54,427 and then he walked away. 1877 01:22:54,428 --> 01:22:57,096 - Val was next to the camera, and he was sitting in a chair, 1878 01:22:57,097 --> 01:22:58,764 and then he sort of started to squat down, 1879 01:22:58,765 --> 01:23:01,934 and he was off camera, and he was doing his lines 1880 01:23:01,935 --> 01:23:05,813 and the focus puller was right next to him, 1881 01:23:05,814 --> 01:23:07,899 and this guy had... I mean we were in the jungle 1882 01:23:07,900 --> 01:23:09,942 for whatever, eight weeks 1883 01:23:09,943 --> 01:23:13,362 and his hair, his side burns 1884 01:23:13,363 --> 01:23:15,615 had grown, you know, he hadn't been trimming; 1885 01:23:15,616 --> 01:23:19,327 so they were scraggly, and the guy's sitting there, 1886 01:23:19,328 --> 01:23:23,206 and val was smoking a cigarette, 1887 01:23:23,207 --> 01:23:29,337 and he starts to burn the ends of this guy's hair, 1888 01:23:29,338 --> 01:23:30,796 during the take. 1889 01:23:30,797 --> 01:23:33,841 - I think that one of the triggers 1890 01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:39,805 that sort of started the crew to really not put up with any shit, 1891 01:23:39,806 --> 01:23:40,474 so to speak. 1892 01:23:40,475 --> 01:23:42,433 - Marlon, I guess, did not like kilmer, 1893 01:23:42,434 --> 01:23:44,143 was not a fan anyway. 1894 01:23:44,144 --> 01:23:48,314 There was one scene where Marlon and kilmer 1895 01:23:48,315 --> 01:23:49,732 were going to be together. 1896 01:23:49,733 --> 01:23:52,068 Val sits down, tries to talk to him. 1897 01:23:52,069 --> 01:23:54,320 He says, "so have you been out on the reef?" 1898 01:23:54,321 --> 01:23:57,073 And Brando just looks at him and says 1899 01:23:57,074 --> 01:24:02,245 "the reef? I own a reef. 1900 01:24:02,246 --> 01:24:04,455 I've got reefs coming out of my ass.“ 1901 01:24:04,456 --> 01:24:06,832 and that was it. That was their whole conversation. 1902 01:24:06,833 --> 01:24:09,126 - Kilmer didn't like Brando. - Brando didn't like kilmer. 1903 01:24:09,127 --> 01:24:11,212 They all didn't like frankenheimer. 1904 01:24:11,213 --> 01:24:12,505 Frankenheimer didn't like them. 1905 01:24:12,506 --> 01:24:14,340 - When frankenheimer was on the set one day, 1906 01:24:14,341 --> 01:24:17,760 I remember him saying to a few of us standing around, 1907 01:24:17,761 --> 01:24:21,180 "if I was to direct a film called the life of val kilmer, 1908 01:24:21,181 --> 01:24:22,557 I wouldn't have that prick in it.“ 1909 01:24:22,558 --> 01:24:25,893 - well, frankenheimer was equally powerless 1910 01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:28,479 to wrangle these massive egos. 1911 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:31,440 - I think he started getting depressed at some points. 1912 01:24:31,441 --> 01:24:33,067 I would go and cheer him up. 1913 01:24:33,068 --> 01:24:35,027 On night shoots, I would go find him, 1914 01:24:35,028 --> 01:24:37,446 and we would chat a little bit. 1915 01:24:37,447 --> 01:24:39,657 - We had a late call. - It was a night shoot. 1916 01:24:39,658 --> 01:24:41,325 We got everybody, all the beast-people, 1917 01:24:41,326 --> 01:24:42,660 in their makeups. 1918 01:24:42,661 --> 01:24:44,870 We're all truckin' out to set. 1919 01:24:44,871 --> 01:24:48,583 We're out, sitting around, and we're sitting around, 1920 01:24:48,584 --> 01:24:51,877 and we're sitting around, and nothing's happening. 1921 01:24:51,878 --> 01:24:54,922 Finally, we corral the ap, and we're just like, 1922 01:24:54,923 --> 01:24:57,383 "what's happening? What's going?" 1923 01:24:57,384 --> 01:25:03,055 He's like “well, Marlon won't come out of his trailer 1924 01:25:03,056 --> 01:25:05,558 until val comes out of his trailer, 1925 01:25:05,559 --> 01:25:08,269 and val won't come out of his trailer 1926 01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:10,479 until Marlon comes out of his trailer, 1927 01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:13,733 and we're like “oh, you've got to be kidding me?“ 1928 01:25:13,734 --> 01:25:16,360 - the actors were disheartened. 1929 01:25:16,361 --> 01:25:19,113 We had three-and-a-half hour makeups. 1930 01:25:19,114 --> 01:25:20,615 You didn't know if they were going to be shot, 1931 01:25:20,616 --> 01:25:22,575 but you still had to do your best work, 1932 01:25:22,576 --> 01:25:25,328 because we couldn't leave any edges up or anything like that. 1933 01:25:25,329 --> 01:25:27,622 You still had to put in a major effort, 1934 01:25:27,623 --> 01:25:31,626 and then the actors go out in the sun and get shot. 1935 01:25:31,627 --> 01:25:32,752 - Sometimes they didn't get shot at all. Did they? 1936 01:25:32,753 --> 01:25:34,587 Most of the time they didn't get shot. 1937 01:25:34,588 --> 01:25:36,797 - For days and days when you're sitting around in a tent 1938 01:25:36,798 --> 01:25:39,383 waiting for Brando and kilmer to decide whether they're 1939 01:25:39,384 --> 01:25:40,885 going to shoot anything that day. 1940 01:25:40,886 --> 01:25:43,596 Night shoots would finish with huge alcohols, 1941 01:25:43,597 --> 01:25:45,348 and bottles of spirits. 1942 01:25:45,349 --> 01:25:46,099 At 7:00 in the morning, 1943 01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:48,392 we were retiring back to someone's room for the morning. 1944 01:25:48,393 --> 01:25:51,646 We were being paid above minimum to work on a major feature film. 1945 01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:53,898 We were paid very healthy per diems 1946 01:25:53,899 --> 01:25:55,858 to stay in a very nice hotel. 1947 01:25:55,859 --> 01:25:57,193 And I remember with my per diems. 1948 01:25:57,194 --> 01:26:00,029 One week, I bought a huge scalextric racetrack, 1949 01:26:00,030 --> 01:26:03,074 and other people were buying equally ridiculous things, 1950 01:26:03,075 --> 01:26:06,160 and every person's room towards the end 1951 01:26:06,161 --> 01:26:08,746 became like a different place to go visit 1952 01:26:08,747 --> 01:26:10,456 and a different place to go and play. 1953 01:26:10,457 --> 01:26:13,834 - We'd quite often would make up films 1954 01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:18,297 or sing songs or a lot of chess playing. 1955 01:26:18,298 --> 01:26:19,757 - There was lot of sex going on 1956 01:26:19,758 --> 01:26:21,175 between people who shouldn't be having sex. 1957 01:26:21,176 --> 01:26:22,843 There was a lot of drugs around. 1958 01:26:22,844 --> 01:26:25,388 - Yeah, I smoked a lot of pot. 1959 01:26:25,389 --> 01:26:27,598 - It was a party most of the time, you know, 1960 01:26:27,599 --> 01:26:29,225 interrupted to go out, 1961 01:26:29,226 --> 01:26:30,976 put costumes on and do some madness 1962 01:26:30,977 --> 01:26:33,270 that wasn't scripted, and as it went on, 1963 01:26:33,271 --> 01:26:35,815 it descended into more and more kind of madness. 1964 01:26:35,816 --> 01:26:37,149 - I think that we actually forgot 1965 01:26:37,150 --> 01:26:39,860 that we had normal lives elsewhere. 1966 01:26:39,861 --> 01:26:44,324 This became our normality. 1967 01:27:00,632 --> 01:27:04,301 -At one time I had ten extras. 1968 01:27:04,302 --> 01:27:07,388 As soon as John arrived, and his comment, 1969 01:27:07,389 --> 01:27:11,016 I think, was "I can't make this picture with ten extras. 1970 01:27:11,017 --> 01:27:12,601 I want a hundred." 1971 01:27:12,602 --> 01:27:15,187 And suddenly it was like “oh my god.“ 1972 01:27:15,188 --> 01:27:18,899 - they advertised for feral's and hippies 1973 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:20,609 and people with amputations 1974 01:27:20,610 --> 01:27:23,154 and anything they could work with to make like, 1975 01:27:23,155 --> 01:27:24,905 a bunch of monsters. 1976 01:27:24,906 --> 01:27:26,866 - They were the hippies. - They had dropped out. 1977 01:27:26,867 --> 01:27:28,117 They were living on the dole. 1978 01:27:28,118 --> 01:27:30,453 They were living in the woods, just sleeping in the woods. 1979 01:27:30,454 --> 01:27:32,455 They were all sleeping with each other, 1980 01:27:32,456 --> 01:27:34,248 dreadlocks, unwashed, 1981 01:27:34,249 --> 01:27:36,333 tattoos, piercings everywhere. 1982 01:27:36,334 --> 01:27:38,502 They were the island of Dr. Moreau. 1983 01:27:38,503 --> 01:27:41,630 - So there'd be lots of guitars. 1984 01:27:41,631 --> 01:27:44,049 - There'd be fire eaters and people on stilts 1985 01:27:44,050 --> 01:27:48,304 and people spinning discs, and they were all on acid. 1986 01:27:48,305 --> 01:27:50,639 It was the wildest thing I'd ever seen. 1987 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,601 - It was like we had our own little freak show circus 1988 01:27:53,602 --> 01:27:55,603 at base camp all the time. 1989 01:27:55,604 --> 01:27:56,772 It was great. 1990 01:28:04,654 --> 01:28:06,822 - I got back in. - I was working as an extra now 1991 01:28:06,823 --> 01:28:09,992 so I was working with this friend of mine, dano. 1992 01:28:09,993 --> 01:28:11,869 He was part of the household we were living in, 1993 01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:16,499 and basically, dano, he would just come and go from cairns 1994 01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:19,293 and sort of spend his times about and making didgeridoos. 1995 01:28:19,294 --> 01:28:21,629 He was back from this fruit farm, 1996 01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:23,756 this organic fruit farm, out in the tablelands. 1997 01:28:23,757 --> 01:28:25,257 He just sort of said, “oh, yeah. 1998 01:28:25,258 --> 01:28:27,301 This guy out there, this crazy guy 1999 01:28:27,302 --> 01:28:31,806 that's just raving about how val kilmer's ruined his life, 2000 01:28:31,807 --> 01:28:34,433 and he's just out there smoking loads of pot", 2001 01:28:34,434 --> 01:28:37,436 and I was going, “what", and all of a sudden, 2002 01:28:37,437 --> 01:28:39,188 I was listening to what he was saying and going, 2003 01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:40,481 “just say that again“, and I saying, 2004 01:28:40,482 --> 01:28:41,982 “oh, fuck, he's talking about Richard.“ 2005 01:28:41,983 --> 01:28:43,317 - during that time, I ended up staying 2006 01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:45,444 on a huge chunk of rainforest 2007 01:28:45,445 --> 01:28:47,530 owned by this farmer who had lost the use of his legs, 2008 01:28:47,531 --> 01:28:50,533 a place called the Mary river, which was a very nice spot, 2009 01:28:50,534 --> 01:28:52,618 no crocodiles, halcyon weather, 2010 01:28:52,619 --> 01:28:56,455 coconuts, cassava, yarn, and fish in the river. 2011 01:28:56,456 --> 01:28:58,749 So, yeah, I got left in isolation. 2012 01:28:58,750 --> 01:29:02,461 And then one night saw a light in the forest further down river 2013 01:29:02,462 --> 01:29:05,130 and realized that there were other people down there, 2014 01:29:05,131 --> 01:29:06,215 camping down there. 2015 01:29:06,216 --> 01:29:08,884 And the next morning I walked down the river, 2016 01:29:08,885 --> 01:29:11,512 and discovered that they were extras from 2017 01:29:11,513 --> 01:29:13,013 the island of Dr. Moreau. 2018 01:29:13,014 --> 01:29:14,765 - I was like, "dude, we've got to go and get him, 2019 01:29:14,766 --> 01:29:16,183 because everyone is looking for him." 2020 01:29:16,184 --> 01:29:17,351 We walk up this river. 2021 01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:18,727 There is a big cast-iron bathtub 2022 01:29:18,728 --> 01:29:20,771 sort of by the side of the river with a fire underneath it; 2023 01:29:20,772 --> 01:29:23,774 so someone was heating up some water to have a bath, 2024 01:29:23,775 --> 01:29:25,359 and it's Richard. 2025 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,611 Dano and I just kind of walked up said, 2026 01:29:27,612 --> 01:29:30,406 "dude, what are you doing?" And "come with us." 2027 01:29:30,407 --> 01:29:31,699 - I explained that if I did that, 2028 01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:32,908 I would be breaking contract 2029 01:29:32,909 --> 01:29:35,327 and that would mean that new line could technically 2030 01:29:35,328 --> 01:29:36,495 refuse to pay me a dime, 2031 01:29:36,496 --> 01:29:38,414 and I was currently in negotiation with them, 2032 01:29:38,415 --> 01:29:39,832 and it could be a bad idea, 2033 01:29:39,833 --> 01:29:42,001 but I did want to see what was going on. 2034 01:29:42,002 --> 01:29:42,919 I was curious. 2035 01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,130 - So he basicallyjumped in the car and back to cairns. 2036 01:29:46,131 --> 01:29:49,049 No one from the house let the secret out that he was there, 2037 01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:50,759 that was all pretty tight, 2038 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,138 because we knew we were sitting on something sort of 2039 01:29:54,139 --> 01:29:56,056 like, we knew something was going to happen with Richard, 2040 01:29:56,057 --> 01:29:59,393 just being who he is and the situation he was in. 2041 01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:02,062 It was like, “okay, let's just sit back and watch 2042 01:30:02,063 --> 01:30:03,939 what this maniac is going to do.“ 2043 01:30:03,940 --> 01:30:08,444 - I'd come home with a script with the new color pages in it 2044 01:30:08,445 --> 01:30:12,990 and amendments, and Richard was there waiting for me 2045 01:30:12,991 --> 01:30:14,241 with a massive joint 2046 01:30:14,242 --> 01:30:17,453 and sort of ripped into the damage 2047 01:30:17,454 --> 01:30:19,496 they'd done to his script, you know. 2048 01:30:19,497 --> 01:30:21,582 And then he throws a wobbly to me. 2049 01:30:21,583 --> 01:30:23,626 He says to me “Dave," he says, 2050 01:30:23,627 --> 01:30:25,210 "I want to get onto the set." 2051 01:30:25,211 --> 01:30:26,795 And I was going 2052 01:30:26,796 --> 01:30:29,089 “and how do you envision that, Richard?“ 2053 01:30:29,090 --> 01:30:31,050 he says to me, 2054 01:30:31,051 --> 01:30:37,139 "well, I want you to teach me how to walk in a fashion 2055 01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:39,768 so that I'm just one of the extras." 2056 01:30:41,728 --> 01:30:45,356 - I ended up borrowing Lewis's dog-man outfit, 2057 01:30:45,357 --> 01:30:47,858 which is a some kind of Stan Winston original 2058 01:30:47,859 --> 01:30:50,861 now 20 years on fallen prey to 2059 01:30:50,862 --> 01:30:53,822 the leprosy that afflicts foam latex. 2060 01:30:53,823 --> 01:30:56,283 But yeah, it was a full head, dog man-mask, 2061 01:30:56,284 --> 01:31:00,120 and it came with a chilaba and claws. 2062 01:31:00,121 --> 01:31:03,040 - He got changed in the Van so that no one saw him, 2063 01:31:03,041 --> 01:31:05,167 and we all sort of got out with our costumes on, 2064 01:31:05,168 --> 01:31:08,128 these latex beast masks and everything. 2065 01:31:08,129 --> 01:31:10,464 And then we sort of like- maybe we just sat there and 2066 01:31:10,465 --> 01:31:13,801 smoked like a big fatjoint for good luck 2067 01:31:13,802 --> 01:31:19,390 and away he went and sort of merged into the people. 2068 01:31:19,391 --> 01:31:22,184 - It got so hot when we were working. 2069 01:31:22,185 --> 01:31:24,311 So I was trying to give them breaks as often as I could, 2070 01:31:24,312 --> 01:31:26,647 and they would pull the head back and drink some water. 2071 01:31:26,648 --> 01:31:28,357 And there was this guy, one of them, 2072 01:31:28,358 --> 01:31:29,400 that would never do it. 2073 01:31:29,401 --> 01:31:32,319 I kept watching him, and he would never take his head off, 2074 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:33,779 and I thought "that guy's nuts." 2075 01:31:33,780 --> 01:31:36,907 I started to think, “well, he's going to just die.“ 2076 01:31:36,908 --> 01:31:39,618 - there were 300 extras in this tent, 2077 01:31:39,619 --> 01:31:42,329 but Richard was the only one that wasn't taking his mask off. 2078 01:31:42,330 --> 01:31:43,706 - He was the bull dog-man, 2079 01:31:43,707 --> 01:31:45,708 and he did this great job ofjumping around 2080 01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:48,502 and doing this weird stuff, and I looked to him and said, 2081 01:31:48,503 --> 01:31:50,379 "that was really great," and he goes "oh, thank you." 2082 01:31:50,380 --> 01:31:53,007 “I really enjoyed watching you, it was a nice job.“ 2083 01:31:53,008 --> 01:31:55,009 and he said, “oh, thank you.“ 2084 01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:57,594 and he had a completely different accent 2085 01:31:57,595 --> 01:31:59,346 than anybody else. 2086 01:31:59,347 --> 01:32:01,015 And then I started to wonder. 2087 01:32:01,016 --> 01:32:03,225 -And I think that once that rumor started, 2088 01:32:03,226 --> 01:32:06,061 that Richard Stanley was in the background that, 2089 01:32:06,062 --> 01:32:08,355 I think, that just sort of grew into stories 2090 01:32:08,356 --> 01:32:10,315 about Richard Stanley and how he wanted 2091 01:32:10,316 --> 01:32:11,358 to sabotage the shoot. 2092 01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:15,029 - I did hear about it. 2093 01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:18,866 Look, maybe, I don't know. 2094 01:32:18,867 --> 01:32:20,784 It was the tropics, and maybe he went a bit tropo. 2095 01:32:20,785 --> 01:32:22,119 - They'd been shitting themselves leading up to that 2096 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,079 thinking Richard's out there somewhere, 2097 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:28,375 and they imagined him doing some sort of sabotage sort of thing. 2098 01:32:28,376 --> 01:32:30,627 But when it came to it, there was no... 2099 01:32:30,628 --> 01:32:33,422 You know, we just drove into set with him in the car. 2100 01:32:33,423 --> 01:32:35,799 There was no security really. 2101 01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,053 - There were a whole lot of extras on set this night, 2102 01:32:39,054 --> 01:32:42,347 and it was where we were meant to be lighting 2103 01:32:42,348 --> 01:32:44,516 Dr. Moreau's character on the pyre. 2104 01:32:44,517 --> 01:32:47,478 Richard was on set. 2105 01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:48,979 - He was standing at the back of the set, 2106 01:32:48,980 --> 01:32:52,149 next to a load of cans that said “gasoline... 2107 01:32:52,150 --> 01:32:53,942 So he was, in effect, standing behind 2108 01:32:53,943 --> 01:32:56,445 this huge arsenal of petrol. 2109 01:32:56,446 --> 01:32:59,156 - With a monster mask, the first thing somebody does, 2110 01:32:59,157 --> 01:33:00,532 probably one of the prop guys 2111 01:33:00,533 --> 01:33:02,993 “okay. Hey, you over there. Here's a torch. 2112 01:33:02,994 --> 01:33:04,536 You go over there." 2113 01:33:04,537 --> 01:33:05,871 -As a beast person on set, 2114 01:33:05,872 --> 01:33:08,999 I was constantly there and being directed to 2115 01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,543 take up a hatchet and smash the furniture 2116 01:33:11,544 --> 01:33:13,629 or to douse the place in gasoline, 2117 01:33:13,630 --> 01:33:15,214 much of what I was doing as a beast person 2118 01:33:15,215 --> 01:33:17,549 was capering up and down and being destructive 2119 01:33:17,550 --> 01:33:20,010 and vindictive in the background, 2120 01:33:20,011 --> 01:33:22,012 but as it was part of the movie, it was okay. 2121 01:33:22,013 --> 01:33:23,639 - See, if he really was tropo, 2122 01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,017 he could have burned the whole set down, 2123 01:33:27,018 --> 01:33:28,185 then and there. 2124 01:33:28,186 --> 01:33:31,231 That would have been crazy cool. 2125 01:33:36,236 --> 01:33:38,570 And I had the privileged position of being able to see 2126 01:33:38,571 --> 01:33:40,030 what was going on but at the same time 2127 01:33:40,031 --> 01:33:41,657 the very nightmarish position 2128 01:33:41,658 --> 01:33:44,576 of discovering that I was now one of the beast people 2129 01:33:44,577 --> 01:33:46,954 on the island of Dr. Moreau, 2130 01:33:46,955 --> 01:33:51,417 that I had completed a full arc from creative figure to dog. 2131 01:33:56,589 --> 01:33:59,424 - Fortunately, John frankenheimer was 2132 01:33:59,425 --> 01:34:03,554 unbelievably professional, a real trooper kind of guy. 2133 01:34:03,555 --> 01:34:05,973 He really understood what the issues were 2134 01:34:05,974 --> 01:34:10,644 and did wrangle marlo 2135 01:34:10,645 --> 01:34:16,150 and all these other maniacs pretty well, 2136 01:34:16,151 --> 01:34:17,902 and at least we came out with a film. 2137 01:34:19,154 --> 01:34:20,279 We lost money on the film. 2138 01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:21,905 I don't recall how much, 2139 01:34:21,906 --> 01:34:24,408 but not as much as we would have lost 2140 01:34:24,409 --> 01:34:26,160 if we didn't have a film at all. 2141 01:34:26,161 --> 01:34:29,454 - My hopes were really high, you know, 2142 01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:31,999 major picture, great role. 2143 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:38,422 I really thought this is cool. It's going to be great. 2144 01:34:38,423 --> 01:34:41,675 And I was very disappointed by all the things that happened. 2145 01:34:41,676 --> 01:34:46,638 I mean, basically, they gave me a great part. 2146 01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:51,602 I had a director that liked me and that respected me to, 2147 01:34:51,603 --> 01:34:56,524 you know, to basically three or four scenes in the movie. 2148 01:34:58,651 --> 01:35:01,737 - What people choose to do in the name of politics, 2149 01:35:01,738 --> 01:35:04,948 which is basically in the name of money, 2150 01:35:04,949 --> 01:35:06,158 there are no morals. 2151 01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:11,038 There are no... There's no integrity at all. 2152 01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:14,249 They'd sell their child down the river for money. 2153 01:35:14,250 --> 01:35:16,668 - I'm damn curious to... 2154 01:35:16,669 --> 01:35:19,755 I wish we could go back in time or have an alternate universe 2155 01:35:19,756 --> 01:35:21,924 where Richard gets to direct his movie. 2156 01:35:21,925 --> 01:35:25,344 - I think if Richard had made the film for $8 million 2157 01:35:25,345 --> 01:35:31,266 with good actors and people that were under his direction, 2158 01:35:31,267 --> 01:35:33,477 he's a good director. 2159 01:35:33,478 --> 01:35:35,729 - I think he's a very bright guy. 2160 01:35:35,730 --> 01:35:36,980 He had a lot of good ideas. 2161 01:35:36,981 --> 01:35:40,567 I don't think that he could handle a big... 2162 01:35:40,568 --> 01:35:42,402 At that point, a big crew. 2163 01:35:42,403 --> 01:35:44,613 - I'm sure there is a place for Richard Stanley 2164 01:35:44,614 --> 01:35:49,952 with a terrific independent company, 2165 01:35:49,953 --> 01:35:53,288 backed by people who really believed in him. 2166 01:35:53,289 --> 01:35:56,416 - Basically, after Moreau, he vanished in the wilderness, 2167 01:35:56,417 --> 01:35:59,253 and I didn't know what became of him. 2168 01:35:59,254 --> 01:36:01,088 - I never heard from him again. 2169 01:36:01,089 --> 01:36:03,883 I often wondered what happened to Richard Stanley. 2170 01:36:09,597 --> 01:36:11,723 - The perception of me in Hollywood at that point in time 2171 01:36:11,724 --> 01:36:13,267 was I no longer existed. 2172 01:36:13,268 --> 01:36:15,686 My agent never returned any of my phone calls 2173 01:36:15,687 --> 01:36:17,479 from the time the main decision was made 2174 01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:19,106 to remove me from the project. 2175 01:36:19,107 --> 01:36:21,858 - You know, when you get really, really hurt like that, 2176 01:36:21,859 --> 01:36:26,071 you're so gun shy about ever putting yourself 2177 01:36:26,072 --> 01:36:29,408 in that kind of a position again. 2178 01:36:29,409 --> 01:36:32,077 I saw him in London a couple of years later, 2179 01:36:32,078 --> 01:36:33,412 and I remember him saying, 2180 01:36:33,413 --> 01:36:35,205 “I don't know if I'll ever make another movie again. 2181 01:36:35,206 --> 01:36:36,832 I don't think I will. 2182 01:36:36,833 --> 01:36:39,543 I can't even bear the idea of being behind the camera. 2183 01:36:39,544 --> 01:36:42,462 I just... it makes me want to scream.“ 2184 01:36:42,463 --> 01:36:43,755 - Marlon Brando told me 2185 01:36:43,756 --> 01:36:47,217 that everyone in the industry were hyenas. 2186 01:36:47,218 --> 01:36:49,428 That I should try to steer clear of them 2187 01:36:49,429 --> 01:36:51,306 and try to make a better life for myself. 2188 01:36:57,145 --> 01:36:59,938 Like the lead character in Dr. Moreau, 2189 01:36:59,939 --> 01:37:04,026 I've found myself increasingly unable to fit in 2190 01:37:04,027 --> 01:37:07,446 with the so-called real world, 2191 01:37:07,447 --> 01:37:11,116 and I find myself much happier away from people 2192 01:37:11,117 --> 01:37:13,201 and up the mountain where I am now. 2193 01:37:13,202 --> 01:37:16,663 I eventually moved to montségur in the French pyrenees, 2194 01:37:16,664 --> 01:37:20,417 the scene of the last stand of the cathars in 1244, 2195 01:37:20,418 --> 01:37:23,795 who were a bunch of pagans and heretics 2196 01:37:23,796 --> 01:37:26,381 who were basically slaughtered by the outside world. 2197 01:37:26,382 --> 01:37:28,842 The various nation-states, basically formed up 2198 01:37:28,843 --> 01:37:32,095 and decided to crush the weird ones that didn't really fit in. 2199 01:37:32,096 --> 01:37:33,180 To a large extent, 2200 01:37:33,181 --> 01:37:37,142 we're still able to perform our strange experiments. 2201 01:37:37,143 --> 01:37:38,935 We're still able to shoot. 2202 01:37:38,936 --> 01:37:40,479 I'd like to continue, 2203 01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:42,481 and maybe make something a little bit longer. 2204 01:37:42,482 --> 01:37:45,150 Maybe next time around, I won't feature dog—men. 2205 01:37:45,151 --> 01:37:47,861 Maybe I won't have a whole lost civilization 2206 01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:51,073 or try to completely monkey wrench 2207 01:37:51,074 --> 01:37:54,534 21st century culture and technology in the same way, 2208 01:37:54,535 --> 01:37:56,495 maybe something a little bit more modest 2209 01:37:56,496 --> 01:38:02,001 but still red and tooth and claw would seem in order. 2210 01:38:16,599 --> 01:38:19,434 - You know, it's part of my youth. 2211 01:38:19,435 --> 01:38:20,435 That's how I see it, 2212 01:38:20,436 --> 01:38:22,562 that it was like, a crazy chapter 2213 01:38:22,563 --> 01:38:26,775 that became some lunatic movie 2214 01:38:26,776 --> 01:38:30,695 that's known as one of the worst films ever made. 2215 01:38:30,696 --> 01:38:36,076 Yeah, that's not a source of pride for me. 2216 01:38:36,077 --> 01:38:39,746 - I'm proud to be involved in one of the worst movies ever. 2217 01:38:39,747 --> 01:38:42,666 It's awesome to see how much effort goes into making 2218 01:38:42,667 --> 01:38:46,503 an absolute stinker, you know. 2219 01:38:46,504 --> 01:38:47,672 Rock n' roll.