1 00:00:12,644 --> 00:00:16,644 www.titlovi.com 2 00:00:19,644 --> 00:00:23,105 I remember the guards brought Kaczynski in 3 00:00:23,147 --> 00:00:24,818 and he was in shackles, 4 00:00:24,859 --> 00:00:27,278 and he was wearing a white jumpsuit. 5 00:00:27,736 --> 00:00:30,815 And he looked very small and... 6 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:32,945 I was, I was nervous. 7 00:00:32,991 --> 00:00:34,491 Okay, so... 8 00:00:58,558 --> 00:01:00,319 Newsreader: The killer called, the Unabomber, 9 00:01:00,351 --> 00:01:04,272 has terrorized this country for nearly 18 years now. 10 00:01:04,313 --> 00:01:06,073 In addition to killing three people, 11 00:01:06,106 --> 00:01:10,147 his attacks have wounded 23 others, some seriously. 12 00:01:10,194 --> 00:01:13,064 Ted Kaczynski is known as "the Unabomber". 13 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,489 Those kinda guys are rare and they're terrible. 14 00:01:17,536 --> 00:01:19,156 And Ted was terrible. 15 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:20,924 This guy was a pop culture icon. 16 00:01:20,956 --> 00:01:23,206 I mean, people wanted him to run for President. 17 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:26,210 I love this one. This is one of my favorites. 18 00:01:26,253 --> 00:01:30,513 The Unabomber to a lot of kids was inspiration. 19 00:01:30,549 --> 00:01:32,299 He's inspired Hollywood movies. 20 00:01:32,341 --> 00:01:34,891 And the blood will be on your hands. 21 00:01:34,929 --> 00:01:37,058 Why would somebody try to kill you? 22 00:01:37,096 --> 00:01:39,635 Why would they do that to you? 23 00:01:39,682 --> 00:01:42,233 I was shocked by the... 24 00:01:42,269 --> 00:01:46,019 the three years at Harvard University in an experiment. 25 00:01:46,064 --> 00:01:48,974 It's perverse. It's sick. It doesn't work. 26 00:01:49,026 --> 00:01:51,776 But that's what Kaczynski was subjected to. 27 00:01:51,819 --> 00:01:55,370 Well, I think it, it takes a whole perfect storm 28 00:01:55,406 --> 00:01:58,197 to create someone as violent as my brother. 29 00:01:58,242 --> 00:02:00,753 He was a good friend. 30 00:02:00,787 --> 00:02:04,957 It was as if he was in pain, but I couldn't say why. 31 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,169 I never would have thought 32 00:02:08,211 --> 00:02:12,221 that my neighbor was sitting in that little cabin 33 00:02:12,257 --> 00:02:15,546 creating bombs and killing people. 34 00:02:15,593 --> 00:02:18,813 It was the most expensive investigation 35 00:02:18,847 --> 00:02:20,426 in the history of the FBI. 36 00:02:20,473 --> 00:02:21,734 Reporter: Are you the Unabomber? 37 00:02:21,766 --> 00:02:25,396 It was Linda who cracked the Unabomber case. 38 00:02:25,437 --> 00:02:28,396 For me, it was easy. We had to do something. 39 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:30,900 Every journalist in the United States, in the world, 40 00:02:30,943 --> 00:02:34,112 would love to get the first interview with Ted Kaczynski. 41 00:02:34,153 --> 00:02:36,574 By his invitation, he approached me. 42 00:02:36,615 --> 00:02:39,194 My writing and his writing were very similar. 43 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:45,043 He comes right out and says it. 44 00:02:55,174 --> 00:02:58,764 * Man, now what has been done * 45 00:03:00,014 --> 00:03:01,973 * Man can't stand himself * 46 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:06,225 * Or where he's told that he belong * 47 00:03:06,269 --> 00:03:09,269 * Man don't understand * 48 00:03:09,313 --> 00:03:11,864 * Man blames everyone * 49 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:14,900 * Everyone under the sun * 50 00:03:14,944 --> 00:03:17,444 * Tell me what has Man become * 51 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:21,490 * Man can't help himself * 52 00:03:21,534 --> 00:03:25,115 * Don't know where he can run * 53 00:03:25,163 --> 00:03:27,713 * Man can't run for help * 54 00:03:27,748 --> 00:03:31,088 * Can't stand anybody else * 55 00:03:31,127 --> 00:03:34,298 * Man don't know where he's from * 56 00:03:34,338 --> 00:03:37,338 * Don't know where he belong * 57 00:03:37,384 --> 00:03:40,014 * Now would Man trade tomorrow * 58 00:03:40,054 --> 00:03:43,394 * For a time long forgotten * 59 00:03:44,598 --> 00:03:46,348 Ted: No. It was simply anger and revenge, 60 00:03:46,393 --> 00:03:48,272 and I was... was gonna strike back. 61 00:03:49,562 --> 00:03:51,692 Try not to get blown up. 62 00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:53,781 * Man don't understand * 63 00:03:53,817 --> 00:03:56,486 * What has man become * 64 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:19,221 You have an individual living 65 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:21,098 in a little cabin by himself 66 00:04:21,136 --> 00:04:23,386 in essentially a wilderness area 67 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:25,519 right outside a very small town. 68 00:04:25,557 --> 00:04:27,516 He doesn't have a car, doesn't have electricity, 69 00:04:27,559 --> 00:04:30,439 doesn't have power tools, doesn't have a job... 70 00:04:30,478 --> 00:04:34,067 I figure he's one of those guys holed up somewhere, 71 00:04:34,108 --> 00:04:37,528 obsessing, reading every article he can find 72 00:04:37,569 --> 00:04:40,858 on the ills of society as he sees them, 73 00:04:40,906 --> 00:04:43,365 and, you know, pounding his fist on the table saying, 74 00:04:43,408 --> 00:04:45,408 "I gotta do something about this." 75 00:04:45,451 --> 00:04:47,122 And the kinda guy that the neighbors say, 76 00:04:47,161 --> 00:04:49,014 "He was a little torqued, but he kept to himself. 77 00:04:49,038 --> 00:04:50,499 Kinda quiet." 78 00:05:15,355 --> 00:05:18,896 Joel: The cabin is 10 by 14 feet 79 00:05:18,944 --> 00:05:21,783 uh, and is full of stuff. 80 00:05:21,822 --> 00:05:26,531 His heat is provided only by a potbelly stove. 81 00:05:26,576 --> 00:05:29,656 It's smoky, there's soot everywhere, 82 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:31,413 it's dark. 83 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:33,183 And he's been doing a great deal of work in there. 84 00:05:33,207 --> 00:05:35,288 Apparently, the work to construct these bombs 85 00:05:35,334 --> 00:05:37,834 has all been done in the cabin. 86 00:05:41,340 --> 00:05:42,759 Newsreader: Good evening. 87 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,319 We begin tonight with an emergency security alert 88 00:05:44,343 --> 00:05:46,473 issued in California today. 89 00:05:46,512 --> 00:05:48,393 The government says there is a credible threat 90 00:05:48,430 --> 00:05:50,480 that a passenger jet may be bombed 91 00:05:50,516 --> 00:05:53,726 from a man the FBI calls the Unabomber. 92 00:05:53,769 --> 00:05:56,769 Joel: He's causing all kinds of havoc, 93 00:05:56,814 --> 00:06:01,355 he's causing all kinds of public concern. 94 00:06:01,401 --> 00:06:03,255 Newsreader: Police are swarming around the terminals 95 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,490 at Los Angeles International Airport. 96 00:06:05,531 --> 00:06:08,041 Airlines have stopped loading the 200 tons of mail 97 00:06:08,076 --> 00:06:09,536 that leave here daily. 98 00:06:09,576 --> 00:06:11,497 It's being screened at a nearby postal facility 99 00:06:11,538 --> 00:06:14,077 for the possibility of letter bombs. 100 00:06:14,124 --> 00:06:15,504 LAX is closed 101 00:06:15,541 --> 00:06:19,552 and security goes to, you know, DEFCON 4. 102 00:06:19,586 --> 00:06:21,336 Newsreader: Security has been heightened 103 00:06:21,379 --> 00:06:23,089 and with it, anxiety. 104 00:06:23,132 --> 00:06:27,353 The Unabomber's unique campaign of terror started in 1978- 105 00:06:27,386 --> 00:06:29,505 in 16 separate bombing incidents. 106 00:06:29,555 --> 00:06:32,846 Three people have been killed, another 23 injured. 107 00:06:32,893 --> 00:06:36,362 Joel: He's been going on for decades it seems. 108 00:06:36,394 --> 00:06:38,394 Newsreader: The FBI is warning everyone 109 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:40,819 to look out for unusual packages. 110 00:06:40,858 --> 00:06:44,278 If it appears suspicious in any way, shape, or form 111 00:06:44,321 --> 00:06:47,490 then they should contact their local police. 112 00:06:47,531 --> 00:06:49,622 Kevin: Nobody knows who he is. 113 00:06:49,658 --> 00:06:52,949 It's, it's creepy. It's creepy. 114 00:06:52,995 --> 00:06:55,286 Not knowing is a hard thing. 115 00:06:55,331 --> 00:06:58,591 I didn't know who this was for nine years. 116 00:06:58,625 --> 00:07:00,875 So, basically, you're dealing with a ghost. 117 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,261 It's a killer on the loose 118 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:04,797 and he's got a wide range of targets. 119 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:08,432 There's a tremendous sense of public fear at this point 120 00:07:08,468 --> 00:07:11,468 and there doesn't seem to be any clear sign 121 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:14,353 that the task force is going to be able to stop him 122 00:07:14,393 --> 00:07:15,562 anytime soon. 123 00:07:15,601 --> 00:07:17,351 More than 100 FBI agents 124 00:07:17,396 --> 00:07:19,355 are working the Unabomber case. 125 00:07:19,398 --> 00:07:23,567 It was the largest manhunt in American history, 126 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:26,319 and it was estimated to cost $50 million. 127 00:07:27,781 --> 00:07:30,911 Is he a terrorist or a freedom fighter? 128 00:07:30,951 --> 00:07:33,911 Is he a revolutionary or a serial killer? 129 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:37,620 What you have are the facts of the case to work with. 130 00:07:37,665 --> 00:07:39,324 If you can figure out the why, 131 00:07:39,375 --> 00:07:41,495 you may be able to figure out who's doing it. 132 00:07:53,223 --> 00:07:54,893 The interview I did with Kaczynski 133 00:07:54,932 --> 00:07:58,562 was the first interview he allowed, 134 00:07:58,603 --> 00:08:00,612 three years after he was arrested, 135 00:08:00,646 --> 00:08:04,687 and it was an historical opportunity. 136 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:01,745 David: I struggle with this because I don't know 137 00:09:01,791 --> 00:09:04,211 exactly what happened to Ted. 138 00:09:04,251 --> 00:09:07,261 I thought my brother was the best human being on earth; 139 00:09:07,297 --> 00:09:10,586 that he would change the world and do a great deal of good. 140 00:09:11,926 --> 00:09:13,846 I didn't like the guy. 141 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:17,346 But Dave loved his brother all the way through, I think. 142 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:20,600 And his mother, of course, loved Ted as well. 143 00:09:20,643 --> 00:09:23,153 But I didn't. 144 00:09:25,731 --> 00:09:28,491 He may have been a nice person at some point in his life, 145 00:09:28,527 --> 00:09:31,856 but something happened and he became a... 146 00:09:31,904 --> 00:09:33,945 a killer. 147 00:09:37,576 --> 00:09:40,746 I've spent much of my life trying to understand that. 148 00:09:42,331 --> 00:09:44,042 I mean, why? 149 00:09:58,306 --> 00:09:59,806 The Unabomber's first bomb 150 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:02,099 ended up at Northwestern University 151 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:05,192 based on a return address. 152 00:10:05,230 --> 00:10:08,860 The return address on the package was to a professor 153 00:10:08,899 --> 00:10:11,570 in the technological institute. 154 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:14,201 The bomb was found in a parking lot. 155 00:10:15,865 --> 00:10:18,115 It's got a label on it, it's got postage on it, 156 00:10:18,158 --> 00:10:19,619 it's ready to be mailed. 157 00:10:19,659 --> 00:10:21,700 So why wasn't it mailed? 158 00:10:21,745 --> 00:10:24,115 Why is it laying in this parking lot? 159 00:10:25,958 --> 00:10:28,999 We reconstructed it exactly how it was, 160 00:10:29,044 --> 00:10:31,835 and that's when we found it wouldn't fit 161 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,931 through the door of the mailbox. 162 00:10:33,966 --> 00:10:35,927 So, the bomber probably built it, 163 00:10:35,969 --> 00:10:38,048 got to the mailbox 164 00:10:38,096 --> 00:10:40,056 and it wouldn't fit. 165 00:10:40,097 --> 00:10:43,018 And then what do you do? Well, you drop it and you leave. 166 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:48,609 And it was retrieved by an officer 167 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:51,687 from the, uh, Department of Security. 168 00:10:55,696 --> 00:10:59,946 It did partially detonate which caused minor injuries. 169 00:10:59,993 --> 00:11:02,623 No one recognizes this bomber. 170 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:05,621 No one has seen this bomber's work before. 171 00:11:05,664 --> 00:11:07,125 The bomber is clever, 172 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:09,917 but he's clearly not an expert bomb maker. 173 00:11:11,837 --> 00:11:15,128 He's making these clumsy bombs 174 00:11:15,174 --> 00:11:17,674 with wooden ends to them, 175 00:11:18,802 --> 00:11:21,222 using black powder as a propellant. 176 00:11:23,057 --> 00:11:26,307 He's using this kind of very crude detonating system - 177 00:11:26,352 --> 00:11:27,982 match heads. 178 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:31,150 They're not all that sophisticated. 179 00:11:46,498 --> 00:11:50,957 Greg: Bomb 2 was sent May 9th 1979, 180 00:11:51,001 --> 00:11:53,881 at Northwestern University as well. 181 00:11:55,173 --> 00:11:58,472 And this one was left on a table. 182 00:11:58,509 --> 00:12:00,600 The bomb is built in a cigar box. 183 00:12:00,636 --> 00:12:02,177 Um, it's not terribly large. 184 00:12:02,221 --> 00:12:05,392 It's simply left there for whoever is going to open it 185 00:12:05,432 --> 00:12:07,312 and someone eventually does. 186 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:21,873 It's got batteries and wires, 187 00:12:21,908 --> 00:12:25,868 and the explosive mixture is smokeless powder, 188 00:12:25,912 --> 00:12:27,412 the sort of propellant you would find 189 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:29,615 in a firearm cartridge, 190 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:31,875 and, in some cases, match heads, 191 00:12:31,918 --> 00:12:34,707 which have been meticulously cut off of matches 192 00:12:34,753 --> 00:12:37,263 to fill a tube or a container. 193 00:12:38,508 --> 00:12:40,927 So that tells us, again, that we're dealing with someone 194 00:12:40,967 --> 00:12:44,847 who, at this point, is not terribly sophisticated 195 00:12:44,889 --> 00:12:47,769 in building bombs and delivering them. 196 00:12:47,807 --> 00:12:49,638 He's figuring it out. 197 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:05,235 After bomb number two, he wrote, 198 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:07,945 "I had hoped that the victim would be blinded 199 00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:10,455 or have his hands blown off, 200 00:13:10,498 --> 00:13:12,327 or be otherwise maimed. 201 00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:13,825 Well, live and learn. 202 00:13:13,875 --> 00:13:16,995 I wish I knew how to get a hold of some dynamite." 203 00:13:18,213 --> 00:13:20,933 Most criminals aren't able to operate 204 00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:24,047 in such a vacuum. People know what they're doing, 205 00:13:24,095 --> 00:13:25,674 either because they boast about it, 206 00:13:25,721 --> 00:13:27,562 or because they have people around them, 207 00:13:27,599 --> 00:13:30,808 or... for whatever reason, 208 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:34,110 they can't keep their activities that secret. 209 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:37,147 He was able to. He lived in the middle of nowhere. 210 00:13:47,619 --> 00:13:50,749 Here in rural Montana, 211 00:13:50,788 --> 00:13:53,668 for someone to live off the grid 212 00:13:53,707 --> 00:13:57,798 and be reclusive, be a hermit, 213 00:13:57,836 --> 00:14:00,206 it didn't raise any red flags to us 214 00:14:00,255 --> 00:14:03,375 because if you want to do something like that, 215 00:14:03,426 --> 00:14:06,885 then rural Montana is the perfect spot. 216 00:14:22,153 --> 00:14:25,113 Ted was the kind of person that you, you could meet 217 00:14:25,155 --> 00:14:29,076 and you could know him for 25 years, like me, 218 00:14:29,118 --> 00:14:33,668 but never know any more real details about him 219 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:36,996 than you did in the first few years. 220 00:15:01,359 --> 00:15:04,198 All the neighbors got like junk cars sitting around 221 00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:06,986 and he'd just go and help himself to... 222 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:09,701 whatever parts and pieces he needed to make his bombs. 223 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:11,913 And it was like he didn't even think 224 00:15:11,951 --> 00:15:14,001 he was doing anything wrong. 225 00:15:31,764 --> 00:15:34,134 I have quite a large boneyard, 226 00:15:34,182 --> 00:15:36,482 uh, with everything that anybody could need 227 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:38,149 to do pretty much everything. 228 00:15:38,187 --> 00:15:39,807 There's hundreds and hundreds of feet 229 00:15:39,855 --> 00:15:42,225 of every kind of color and gauge of wire, 230 00:15:42,274 --> 00:15:45,144 and you're not going to miss something like that. 231 00:15:45,193 --> 00:15:48,073 Did I suspect Ted of taking stuff? 232 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:49,573 No. 233 00:15:54,036 --> 00:15:56,826 I think it started when I was about five years old. 234 00:15:56,873 --> 00:16:00,423 I was terrified to sleep in my room. 235 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:03,419 And I was hearing something 236 00:16:03,462 --> 00:16:05,423 in the middle of the night - 237 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,335 footsteps, rummaging around. 238 00:16:09,594 --> 00:16:12,014 I would run into my parents' room and say, 239 00:16:12,053 --> 00:16:13,394 "There's somebody out there." 240 00:16:13,431 --> 00:16:15,600 And they would just be like, "You're dreaming. 241 00:16:15,642 --> 00:16:17,392 Go back to bed." 242 00:16:23,441 --> 00:16:26,030 Joel: The third bomb is a package 243 00:16:26,067 --> 00:16:28,028 which is sent through the mail 244 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:29,700 and it ends up on an airliner, 245 00:16:29,739 --> 00:16:31,698 on an American Airlines flight. 246 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:33,951 This one is different in its design. 247 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:36,293 And it is designed to function 248 00:16:36,328 --> 00:16:39,418 based on being triggered by an altimeter, 249 00:16:39,456 --> 00:16:43,037 an altimeter which is constructed from a barometer 250 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:46,013 such as you might find in a, 251 00:16:46,046 --> 00:16:48,875 a home weather station. 252 00:16:48,924 --> 00:16:51,965 So, when the plane reaches a certain altitude, 253 00:16:52,010 --> 00:16:54,051 the device functions, 254 00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:55,635 can cause an explosion. 255 00:16:58,017 --> 00:17:01,307 The FBI says an American Airline 727 256 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,984 with 80 persons aboard landed safely today 257 00:17:04,022 --> 00:17:06,192 at Washington's Dulles International Airport 258 00:17:06,232 --> 00:17:08,242 after a small bomb exploded 259 00:17:08,277 --> 00:17:10,356 in a mail pouch in the cargo hold. 260 00:17:10,403 --> 00:17:13,413 American Flight 444 en route from Chicago 261 00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:16,328 landed without injury to any of the passengers or crew. 262 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:20,788 It's rather sophisticated 263 00:17:20,832 --> 00:17:23,461 in the sense that the builder has created an altimeter 264 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:25,381 and, of course, where it was placed 265 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:28,209 had the potential to cause mass casualties. 266 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:31,676 So it's, it's incredibly serious. 267 00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:40,022 "The plan was to blow up airliner in flight. 268 00:17:40,058 --> 00:17:43,479 Unfortunately, plane not destroyed. 269 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:44,980 Bomb too weak." 270 00:17:47,901 --> 00:17:51,320 At this point, connections begin to be made. 271 00:17:51,362 --> 00:17:53,872 US government recognizes that they're dealing with 272 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:55,527 a serial bomber. 273 00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:00,752 He becomes known as the Unabomber: 274 00:18:00,788 --> 00:18:02,827 university and airline bomber. 275 00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:06,094 That's what the, the FBI tags the project as, Unabomber. 276 00:18:06,125 --> 00:18:08,125 Uh, or Unabomb. 277 00:18:38,116 --> 00:18:41,076 Ted's mother would send him money. 278 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,960 He would say, "I've got some chest pain 279 00:18:43,998 --> 00:18:45,958 and they say I should have some tests, 280 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,710 but I don't have the money", 281 00:18:47,751 --> 00:18:51,092 and would, in a sense, scam her into sending money, 282 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:54,549 which he would then use to make, uh, bombs. 283 00:18:56,635 --> 00:18:59,556 Here's a guy who is targeting victims 284 00:18:59,596 --> 00:19:03,017 that he has no personal relationship with. 285 00:19:03,058 --> 00:19:05,558 It's unclear exactly what the pattern is. 286 00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:33,259 The librarian, who he befriended, 287 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:35,416 she was, unknowingly, giving him books 288 00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:38,756 which he used to target, uh, people for his bombs. 289 00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:42,263 And it was a pretty long list. 290 00:19:42,306 --> 00:19:44,346 He was going to start killing people 291 00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:46,441 as soon as the weather got better. 292 00:19:58,238 --> 00:20:00,528 We don't know who's on the list. 293 00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:03,453 You have to wonder, "Am I next?" 294 00:20:05,788 --> 00:20:10,288 Some dots can be joined but they are few 295 00:20:10,334 --> 00:20:12,253 and a little bit fuzzy. 296 00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:17,720 You have a bomber who's not terribly skilled 297 00:20:17,758 --> 00:20:19,678 at creating bombs 298 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:23,098 and is clearly spending a great deal of time creating them 299 00:20:23,138 --> 00:20:25,138 based on the... the parts 300 00:20:25,182 --> 00:20:27,603 that he has to accumulate from various places 301 00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:30,522 or, in some cases, make himself. 302 00:20:30,563 --> 00:20:32,863 So, all of these things tell you 303 00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:35,648 something about the bomber, 304 00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:37,073 but is it, at this point, 305 00:20:37,111 --> 00:20:39,411 enough to lead to the bomber's identity? No, it's not. 306 00:20:41,199 --> 00:20:43,199 Chris: I assumed that he might've been a, a GI - 307 00:20:43,241 --> 00:20:45,491 that had had a real bad experience in Vietnam - 308 00:20:45,536 --> 00:20:49,076 coming home and just wanted to be off in the woods by himself. 309 00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:51,133 I saw him walking and uh... 310 00:20:51,166 --> 00:20:52,876 you know, he had a little knapsack, 311 00:20:52,919 --> 00:20:54,459 hiking down the road. 312 00:20:54,502 --> 00:20:55,923 So, I'll stop and offer him a ride, 313 00:20:55,962 --> 00:20:58,593 and he was very cordial, and he said, "No, thank you." 314 00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:12,395 This is a bomb that's different from the others. 315 00:21:12,438 --> 00:21:14,817 This is in a hollowed-out book. 316 00:21:14,856 --> 00:21:19,067 A book called "Ice Brothers", by Sloan Wilson. 317 00:21:19,112 --> 00:21:21,531 It is accompanied by a letter 318 00:21:21,571 --> 00:21:24,082 and the letter is intended to encourage him 319 00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:25,656 to want to read the book. 320 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:27,411 So, the book has been hollowed out 321 00:21:27,452 --> 00:21:29,333 and turned into a box 322 00:21:29,371 --> 00:21:31,790 to contain an explosive device. 323 00:21:36,921 --> 00:21:38,773 Newsreader: Bleeding heavily from cuts in his face, 324 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,218 left hand and leg, 325 00:21:40,258 --> 00:21:43,218 Wood managed to walk next door for help. 326 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,681 Interviewee: There was blood all over his face, 327 00:21:45,721 --> 00:21:49,181 and he had... his hand was really bloody. 328 00:21:50,392 --> 00:21:52,327 He was shocked that somebody would do such a thing, 329 00:21:52,352 --> 00:21:55,231 but he didn't-he had no idea who it was from or why. 330 00:21:56,898 --> 00:21:58,538 You talk to someone who's been blown up, 331 00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:00,646 or who's had a loved one blown up, 332 00:22:00,693 --> 00:22:02,864 and it's awful. 333 00:22:02,904 --> 00:22:04,194 That doesn't go away. 334 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,779 The fear and the anguish 335 00:22:07,910 --> 00:22:11,119 and the trauma that gets burned into their beings 336 00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:12,874 by an attack like that 337 00:22:12,914 --> 00:22:14,414 does not dissipate. 338 00:22:15,375 --> 00:22:17,295 Hospital officials say that surgery 339 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:20,375 to remove bomb fragments from his leg was successful 340 00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:22,761 but Wood is expected to remain in intensive care 341 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,220 for at least a few more days under police guard. 342 00:22:26,261 --> 00:22:28,561 He wrote: "I feel better. 343 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:32,564 I'm still plenty angry. 344 00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:34,391 I'm now able to strike back." 345 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,319 The task force is being asked 346 00:22:37,396 --> 00:22:39,027 to find solutions to all of this 347 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:42,695 by catching this person before he can do anything else. 348 00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:44,736 The pressure was just incredible. 349 00:22:46,156 --> 00:22:48,277 He's mailing things. 350 00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:51,445 There are components that get found at the scene. 351 00:22:51,494 --> 00:22:55,494 Why haven't the clues led to him yet? 352 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:57,171 We have a lot of evidence to work with. 353 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:59,299 We have bombs to work with, 354 00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:02,416 we have a handful of letters from the Unabomber. 355 00:23:02,463 --> 00:23:04,723 A number of them have Eugene O'Neill stamps 356 00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:06,508 attached to them. 357 00:23:06,551 --> 00:23:09,721 Is that a message? Does it have some meaning to the bomber? 358 00:23:09,762 --> 00:23:12,353 Or is that simply what the bomber got 359 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:16,099 when he went to the postage machine? We don't know. 360 00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:18,144 Is there significance to the fact 361 00:23:18,189 --> 00:23:20,818 that these devices use a great deal of wood 362 00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:22,607 in their construction? 363 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:27,161 Does the bomber have some interest in wood 364 00:23:27,489 --> 00:23:29,868 or is it just happenstance? 365 00:23:31,326 --> 00:23:33,406 We're trying to figure this thing out. 366 00:23:33,452 --> 00:23:36,623 We're trying to figure out where the clues might lead, 367 00:23:36,664 --> 00:23:37,954 what people... 368 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,539 in the investigative community already know. 369 00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:43,415 Uh, it's very, it's very frustrating. 370 00:23:43,462 --> 00:23:46,262 Criminals often operate in the areas 371 00:23:46,299 --> 00:23:48,299 in which they are most comfortable. 372 00:23:49,345 --> 00:23:53,055 The first devices are placed in Chicago. 373 00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:56,138 So, this is a person who is probably, 374 00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:58,224 if we're guessing at this point, 375 00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:00,020 probably from the Chicago area. 376 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:03,529 Our family had moved from a... 377 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,237 inner-city neighborhood in Chicago 378 00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:07,607 out to a home in the suburbs. 379 00:24:07,653 --> 00:24:10,743 It was our first like single-family dwelling. 380 00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:13,661 You know my memories of growing up 381 00:24:13,701 --> 00:24:15,372 with my brother and my family 382 00:24:15,413 --> 00:24:18,333 were very, very positive, very warm memories. 383 00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:27,587 This one I think... I think is Dad, Ted and myself, 384 00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:30,762 taken, I believe, at one of our favorite hiking places, 385 00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:33,603 a state park called Starved Rock, 386 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:37,099 where they had some lovely cliffs 387 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:39,313 that we would climb. 388 00:24:43,273 --> 00:24:45,403 My father had really loved the nature. 389 00:24:45,442 --> 00:24:46,903 I think the love of nature, 390 00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:49,953 I think, came to both of us through Dad. 391 00:25:07,588 --> 00:25:10,179 Our family valued intelligence, 392 00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:12,086 success in school. 393 00:25:12,135 --> 00:25:13,796 My brother had skipped a grade 394 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,925 and then went through high school in three years. 395 00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:19,232 He was at Harvard University at the age of 16, 396 00:25:19,268 --> 00:25:22,518 and I remember one of my buddies telling another kid, 397 00:25:22,561 --> 00:25:25,731 "Hey, Dave's brother's really smart, he's in Harvard. 398 00:25:25,773 --> 00:25:27,733 He's like another Einstein. 399 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,945 Well, maybe not another Einstein, but..." 400 00:25:29,987 --> 00:25:32,197 I said, "What do you mean, not another Einstein?" 401 00:25:45,251 --> 00:25:48,382 He was a bit on the shy side, 402 00:25:48,422 --> 00:25:50,721 but definitely not antisocial. 403 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:55,720 Once he got to know you - not once you got to know him - 404 00:25:55,761 --> 00:25:58,271 once he got to know you, he could talk and talk. 405 00:25:58,307 --> 00:26:00,096 And we were talking about things 406 00:26:00,142 --> 00:26:02,231 that weren't trivial, they weren't bullshit, 407 00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:05,519 they were just, they were about what was right and wrong. 408 00:26:05,563 --> 00:26:07,982 And Ted was concerned, 409 00:26:08,025 --> 00:26:11,105 and was more savvy than I was, about corporate 410 00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:14,073 and, and governmental impact 411 00:26:14,114 --> 00:26:15,824 on the environment and on... 412 00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,405 and on us. 413 00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:20,580 And some of the ideas that he articulated later, 414 00:26:20,619 --> 00:26:24,079 I distinctly have memories of talking about. 415 00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,582 One roommate said that, uh, 416 00:26:57,615 --> 00:26:59,535 if they went down to the dining hall and... 417 00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,196 saw him there and sat down with him, 418 00:27:01,244 --> 00:27:03,615 he'd just-they never saw anybody finish his food faster 419 00:27:03,663 --> 00:27:06,292 and without saying a word, would just leave. 420 00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:08,593 You know, so I felt hurt at first 421 00:27:08,625 --> 00:27:11,796 that, that he had just sort of ignored 422 00:27:11,837 --> 00:27:15,087 or, or obliterated our friendship, 423 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:16,723 but I wasn't alone. 424 00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,559 I mean, he was... he was not just shy, 425 00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:22,217 now he was really antisocial. 426 00:27:24,101 --> 00:27:26,351 Ted had come home from school. 427 00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:28,684 You know, I was getting a little more intellectual, 428 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:32,109 reading more serious books, and I had some ideas 429 00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:35,201 and I couldn't wait to tell my big brother about my ideas, 430 00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:36,447 but it seemed like, wow, 431 00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:39,449 he was very dismissive of my ideas. 432 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,541 And he said, "You know, Dave, 433 00:27:41,576 --> 00:27:45,747 real smart people have a sadistic streak. 434 00:27:45,788 --> 00:27:47,788 Almost all of them do." 435 00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:50,542 I was a little surprised by that, 436 00:27:50,586 --> 00:27:53,205 but the behavior he showed to me in putting down, 437 00:27:53,255 --> 00:27:55,045 dismissing my ideas 438 00:27:55,089 --> 00:27:57,680 was what he had encountered at Harvard 439 00:27:57,717 --> 00:28:00,467 when people were demeaning toward him 440 00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:03,893 when he-he expressed his philosophy of life. 441 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,212 When he resigned, 442 00:28:32,251 --> 00:28:34,672 his department chair said, 443 00:28:34,711 --> 00:28:36,672 "Gee, you know, I want you to stay." 444 00:28:36,713 --> 00:28:39,594 And Ted Kaczynski wrote in his diary, 445 00:28:39,634 --> 00:28:44,134 "This fool thinks I want to remain at the university, 446 00:28:44,181 --> 00:28:47,101 when all I wanted was a job to save enough money 447 00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:49,271 so that I could buy a piece of land 448 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:50,851 to live in the wild." 449 00:29:08,622 --> 00:29:11,291 "Wow, Ted, great! Go for it!" 450 00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:13,042 You know. "This is wonderful. 451 00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:15,704 You're your own person, you know, you're doing what... 452 00:29:15,753 --> 00:29:17,354 You're living in the way that you want to 453 00:29:17,381 --> 00:29:20,681 rather than in the way other people expect you to live." 454 00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:01,051 So back behind here 455 00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:04,090 is the road in which Ted would use 456 00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:05,756 to leave his cabin 457 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:09,064 and walk or bicycle into town. 458 00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:11,229 And every time he would do that, 459 00:30:11,268 --> 00:30:14,768 he would pass my father Butch Gehring's sawmill 460 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,772 over here on the right. 461 00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:23,605 The sawmill is very loud 462 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:26,195 and probably very disruptive. 463 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,619 It's almost like a very loud humming 464 00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:33,673 as a log would go through the saw, 465 00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:36,416 and so that was constant all day long 466 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:38,420 while the mill was active. 467 00:30:39,837 --> 00:30:42,968 Ted probably would have been very irritated 468 00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:44,798 to, to hear that noise. 469 00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:57,515 He sanded the sawmill, 470 00:30:57,564 --> 00:31:00,153 putting sand into the engine 471 00:31:00,192 --> 00:31:04,201 so that it just goes through the entire, the entire unit 472 00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:05,567 and shuts it down, 473 00:31:05,614 --> 00:31:07,913 and they had to repair everything 474 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:11,199 to be up and running again and it was a huge cost. 475 00:31:11,243 --> 00:31:14,673 My dad, well, there was nothing, really, he could do. 476 00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:16,826 He thought it could have been, you know, 477 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,835 some kids playing a prank. 478 00:31:18,876 --> 00:31:22,126 I mean, he just didn't know who, who did it. 479 00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:27,644 There were those little times 480 00:31:27,678 --> 00:31:30,097 when I realized that there was a whole side 481 00:31:30,137 --> 00:31:32,557 to this person that I did not know. 482 00:31:32,598 --> 00:31:34,848 I just shudder to think 483 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:38,022 how I had, uh, unknowingly, helped him 484 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:41,653 do the things that he did that were so heinous. 485 00:31:46,904 --> 00:31:49,234 Ted was actually at his home cabin 486 00:31:49,281 --> 00:31:53,041 and some motorcycles went riding real loud, real fast, 487 00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:55,907 and he was livid, uh, furious. 488 00:32:28,946 --> 00:32:31,406 I mean, somebody was very angry. 489 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,039 He didn't break the door in to gain access, 490 00:32:34,076 --> 00:32:36,457 he chopped a hole right through the wall. 491 00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:44,552 He went in and just destroyed their cabin 492 00:32:46,757 --> 00:32:48,836 and then took a poop in their tub 493 00:32:50,384 --> 00:32:52,295 and, and left. 494 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:26,300 He took a risk, you know, looking back now, 495 00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:27,708 of being caught. 496 00:33:27,756 --> 00:33:29,023 The sheriff came and talked to me. 497 00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:32,048 He knew that I knew Ted and he said, 498 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:34,722 "Well, do you think that that friend of yours, 499 00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:36,643 do you think he coulda done that?" 500 00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:38,021 And I said, "Oh, no." 501 00:33:38,057 --> 00:33:39,227 I said, "He wouldn't do... 502 00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:41,267 you know, he's got his quirks. We all do." 503 00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:42,980 And I believe I was instrumental 504 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:45,770 in getting him removed as a suspect. 505 00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:52,162 The FBI prides itself 506 00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,616 on being able to solve big crimes, 507 00:33:54,657 --> 00:33:58,948 and a lot of the way they do that is you get tips. 508 00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,865 You get information coming' in. 509 00:34:00,913 --> 00:34:03,003 It's not so much you knocking' on doors. 510 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,211 You gotta know where to knock on doors, 511 00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:08,380 and they're not getting the door-knock tips. 512 00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:11,420 It's not coming to them. It's driving 'em nuts. 513 00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:28,032 It's not unusual when a serial killer's apprehended 514 00:34:28,065 --> 00:34:30,235 that the police had already interviewed him 515 00:34:30,275 --> 00:34:32,775 once or even twice, all right? 516 00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:36,661 They... you know, they have an eye on a group of people. 517 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:40,949 Ted Kaczynski never showed up on that kind of radar. 518 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:02,268 One of the things that's very interesting about Kaczynski 519 00:35:02,307 --> 00:35:04,478 is the personal is political. 520 00:35:04,518 --> 00:35:06,059 Everything that he's writing about 521 00:35:06,103 --> 00:35:08,653 and talking about in the abstract, 522 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:13,070 is also... related to very concrete experiences 523 00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:15,110 that Kaczynski has had. 524 00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:45,936 It is frightening, 525 00:35:45,978 --> 00:35:47,807 sometimes, you know, terrifying, 526 00:35:47,853 --> 00:35:50,193 to find out what he was doing. 527 00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:54,150 We had this logger 528 00:35:54,193 --> 00:35:57,702 that was learning to log with Belgian horses. 529 00:35:57,739 --> 00:35:59,568 So, they're huge animals. 530 00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:03,786 And, um, when he brought the logs off the hill, 531 00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:05,329 it tore up the grass, 532 00:36:05,371 --> 00:36:09,331 and so, one day, Butch said, goes, 533 00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:11,125 "Seed that area up there." 534 00:36:11,168 --> 00:36:14,628 And Tessa was maybe three years old. 535 00:36:15,632 --> 00:36:17,972 And uh, so, I was up there seeding. 536 00:36:18,010 --> 00:36:20,469 And the trees were about 3 feet high, 537 00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:23,561 so she was just a toddler and she would disappear into 'em. 538 00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:29,978 And the hair on the back of my neck went up, 539 00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:32,231 and I thought it was a mountain lion, 540 00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:36,532 and uh... so I told her, "It's time to leave." 541 00:36:38,737 --> 00:36:41,117 But it turned out it was Ted. 542 00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:43,577 He had a... a gun on her. 543 00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:50,791 And I asked the FBI after they figured out it was Ted, 544 00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:53,713 he had written in his journals. 545 00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:56,762 He had written something about... 546 00:36:56,797 --> 00:36:59,217 it would be easy to take the little bitch out, 547 00:36:59,257 --> 00:37:01,677 but then the big bitch could get away. 548 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,099 Or if I shoot the big bitch, 549 00:37:03,137 --> 00:37:07,228 then the little bitch would be, um, left on the hill. 550 00:37:11,311 --> 00:37:13,862 But it's too close to his home, 551 00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:15,528 and that's, you know, 552 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,606 he didn't want to bring attention to himself. 553 00:37:18,652 --> 00:37:21,282 It's probably the only thing that saved us. 554 00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:46,224 The next bomb was October 8th, 1981, 555 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,943 and was found by a maintenance worker 556 00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:52,436 in the University of Utah, 557 00:37:55,815 --> 00:37:58,355 and was defused. 558 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,150 So a bomb that is not detonated 559 00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:03,485 provides a substantial amount of evidence, 560 00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:06,451 a better idea of how it's constructed. 561 00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:10,041 The design is essentially a can of gasoline 562 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,289 with a small pipe bomb inside of it. 563 00:38:12,331 --> 00:38:15,751 Apparently, the intent is that the pipe bomb will explode 564 00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:18,804 and create a large flame out 565 00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,418 of the gasoline. 566 00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:22,425 It doesn't function that way, 567 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:24,887 uh, because it's recovered intact, 568 00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:26,387 but it's very significant. 569 00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:28,679 Apparently, he's branching out. 570 00:38:28,722 --> 00:38:30,813 He has come to Utah. 571 00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:32,730 He shows no sign of stopping, 572 00:38:32,768 --> 00:38:35,268 there's no reason to think he will stop. 573 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,782 And it's sort of a race against time now, 574 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:41,686 whether he can be caught before he does another bombing. 575 00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:00,213 Ted was sly 576 00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:05,262 because we would think he was holed up in his cabin, 577 00:39:05,302 --> 00:39:07,351 but he was in Salt Lake. 578 00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:10,927 He would come back 579 00:39:10,974 --> 00:39:15,023 and stay in the woods until he got all scruffy again, 580 00:39:15,061 --> 00:39:16,731 and then we would see him. 581 00:39:18,523 --> 00:39:20,612 I think he planned a lot of that. 582 00:39:25,737 --> 00:39:28,197 So the device which is mailed to Vanderbilt University, 583 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,041 which is not opened by its intended victim 584 00:39:30,076 --> 00:39:32,115 but by the victim's assistant, 585 00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,791 is significant in, in a couple of ways. 586 00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:36,210 It's mailed from Utah, 587 00:39:36,248 --> 00:39:38,748 so now we have another connection to Utah. 588 00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,503 It's also another design in that it's a pipe bomb, 589 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:44,965 but the pipe in this case is a P-trap, 590 00:39:45,007 --> 00:39:48,007 a plumbing pipe that you'd find under a sink. 591 00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:52,313 So, it appears that the bomber is still experimenting 592 00:39:52,349 --> 00:39:54,228 with different designs. 593 00:39:59,731 --> 00:40:01,708 Newsreader: Fischer was the intended victim of a bomb 594 00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:04,072 sent to Vanderbilt University by the Unabomber, 595 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:07,449 but his secretary, Janet Smith, intercepted the package, 596 00:40:07,487 --> 00:40:10,737 opened it and was seriously injured when it exploded. 597 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:18,378 Your usual serial killer is hunting for women, 598 00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:19,876 hunting for young boys, 599 00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:22,878 hunting for vulnerable people in dark alleys 600 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,550 or lonely roads. 601 00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:28,588 It's, it's not someone hunting for... scientists. 602 00:40:29,467 --> 00:40:31,797 That stands out. 603 00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:06,668 Unfortunately, despite years of detailed investigative work 604 00:41:06,713 --> 00:41:08,474 and the extraordinary talents 605 00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:10,257 of the three law enforcement agencies 606 00:41:10,302 --> 00:41:12,641 represented on the Unabomb taskforce, 607 00:41:12,677 --> 00:41:14,927 we have no viable suspects. 608 00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:19,514 Pressure to solve the case is coming from all quarters. 609 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:21,269 There's political pressure; 610 00:41:21,313 --> 00:41:23,563 a lot of politicians weighing in, 611 00:41:23,606 --> 00:41:27,936 criticizing the task force for not having solved the case. 612 00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:30,565 You have all the victims and all their families 613 00:41:30,612 --> 00:41:33,873 who want to know why you haven't solved this case yet. 614 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:38,197 What haven't we thought of? 615 00:41:38,246 --> 00:41:40,576 What investigative technique 616 00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:43,842 or program have we not undertaken? 617 00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,259 He plans ahead carefully, 618 00:41:48,297 --> 00:41:50,297 he selects his targets. 619 00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:53,012 He is very forensically aware. 620 00:41:55,347 --> 00:41:57,137 The bomber is clever. 621 00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:59,981 You can leave fingerprints on any of the components, 622 00:42:00,018 --> 00:42:03,307 you can leave fingerprints on the inside of the tape. 623 00:42:03,355 --> 00:42:05,474 There're simply lots of ways 624 00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:09,282 to have your fingerprints appear, and they don't. 625 00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:12,199 There're also lots of opportunities 626 00:42:12,237 --> 00:42:14,407 to leave hair behind. 627 00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:16,659 There's no hair found in any of these devices, 628 00:42:16,701 --> 00:42:19,041 nothing's stuck under a piece of tape. 629 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,280 Newsreader: Professor Diogenes Angelakos remembers 630 00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,449 he was in the faculty lounge 631 00:42:53,487 --> 00:42:55,157 of the electrical engineering building, 632 00:42:55,197 --> 00:42:57,527 when he saw a package sitting on the floor. 633 00:42:57,574 --> 00:42:59,864 Professor: And it took all the flesh off these fingers 634 00:42:59,911 --> 00:43:02,831 and left just the bones in the upper part. 635 00:43:06,166 --> 00:43:07,336 "Frustrating... 636 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:10,166 that I can't seem to make a lethal bomb." 637 00:43:12,672 --> 00:43:14,972 The 1982 Corey Hall device 638 00:43:15,009 --> 00:43:16,798 contains a note. 639 00:43:17,887 --> 00:43:19,556 It's a very short type-written sentence: 640 00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,177 "Wu", W-U, "It works! 641 00:43:22,224 --> 00:43:25,514 I told you it would, R.V." 642 00:43:25,561 --> 00:43:28,402 Now we have potentially a clue 643 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,190 or potentially an intended red herring, 644 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,070 but it has to be run out in either case. 645 00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:38,583 You try to find people named Wu. 646 00:43:38,615 --> 00:43:42,155 Do they know anybody who has initials named R.V.? 647 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:44,413 And if they don't, we still will try to find 648 00:43:44,456 --> 00:43:46,666 all the people in that area 649 00:43:46,706 --> 00:43:49,206 who have, uh, the name R.V. 650 00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:51,958 You know, you could tell it was a guy 651 00:43:52,003 --> 00:43:54,673 who was intellectually enjoying this, 652 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,755 and is not stupid. 653 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,141 Because a lot of criminals are stupid, 654 00:43:59,177 --> 00:44:00,757 or at least ignorant, 655 00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:03,764 and they don't do things like the Unabomber did. 656 00:44:03,807 --> 00:44:05,938 They don't conduct their campaign of terror 657 00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:08,056 the way the Unabomber is conducting 658 00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:09,443 his campaign of terror. 659 00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:19,025 It makes you ask where has this person gone? 660 00:44:19,072 --> 00:44:20,532 What's happened now? 661 00:44:20,574 --> 00:44:23,195 So, the possibilities you have to consider 662 00:44:23,244 --> 00:44:26,414 are that he's already some sort of criminal 663 00:44:26,456 --> 00:44:29,536 and perhaps he's ended up in jail or prison. 664 00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:32,804 It's just one more factor to add to the picture 665 00:44:32,836 --> 00:44:34,336 that you're trying to build, 666 00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:37,840 the picture you're trying to paint of this bomber. 667 00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:43,347 I happened to be up doing some digging, 668 00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:44,809 getting some gravel, 669 00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:47,099 and I had-it was about five o'clock. 670 00:44:47,143 --> 00:44:49,563 I remember it vividly. I was going home. 671 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:55,489 It was an explosion. 672 00:44:55,527 --> 00:44:56,896 And I thought... 673 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,280 uh... the sound couldn't carry from anybody mining 674 00:45:01,324 --> 00:45:03,123 on the other side of the divide. 675 00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:04,449 It was a mystery. 676 00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:06,954 It was a mystery that I, I never did solve. 677 00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:18,219 Now the explosive mixture changes to 678 00:45:18,257 --> 00:45:21,086 ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder. 679 00:45:22,637 --> 00:45:25,556 You have to go to some effort to create this. 680 00:45:28,016 --> 00:45:31,516 In 1985, the Unabomber reappears. 681 00:45:31,563 --> 00:45:34,612 And he reappears in a significant way. 682 00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:37,824 '85 is a very busy year. 683 00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:40,360 If it was possible to ratchet up the pressure further, 684 00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:42,105 it did. 685 00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:46,413 I think fear is a... is a good word 686 00:45:46,452 --> 00:45:48,581 for what the public is feeling. 687 00:45:48,621 --> 00:45:51,920 There doesn't seem to be a clear pattern 688 00:45:51,956 --> 00:45:54,666 that allows people to say, 689 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:56,710 "Well, it won't affect me." 690 00:45:56,753 --> 00:45:59,842 So, there are very few people in the United States 691 00:45:59,882 --> 00:46:03,012 who can say, "There's absolutely no chance 692 00:46:03,052 --> 00:46:05,391 that I could ever encounter the Unabomber." 693 00:46:08,391 --> 00:46:12,391 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com