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Uh-huh.
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news in Idaho falls
is kinda slow.
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Not a lot of big things
happen here.
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I had only been here
a few weeks,
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When this case,
the biggest story of my career,
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Happened.
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It just
didn't make sense
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To not find anything.
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Footprints, pieces of flesh,
pieces of clothing.
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Oh, it's-- it's troubling.
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You know, I got, you know,
members of my
search and rescue unit
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That aren't sleeping
too well.
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This is a small town
in Idaho called Leadore.
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It's remote. Your cell phone
is going in and out.
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You're on
a gravel road at first,
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But then it turns
very rocky.
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And when I say rocky,
I mean big boulders.
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you need to drive
maybe five miles an hour
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And that's safe.
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And it's just real rocky.
Takes a long time
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To travel the short distance
from the town of Leadore
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To the campground.
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once you leave
the pavement, I think it's
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A little over seven miles
of pretty rough road.
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Once you reach the campsite
to where they were at,
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The timber creek campground,
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It kind of just dead ends.
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And you get out
and there's the campsite,
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There's the table,
there's a fire pit.
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Ten-twenty feet away,
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There's a steep hill that
goes to the creek.
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It's a combination of
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Willowy, swampy,
creek bottoms,
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Steep hillsides,
some of 'em...
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Sage brush,
some of them timber.
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Lot of rock.
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They arrived
at the campground
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Late on the evening
of July 9th, Thursday evening.
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It was very late,
it was dark.
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They say they
instantly went to bed.
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From day one,
law enforcement told us
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That all of the people
at the campsite
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Were considered persons
of interests
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Just because they
were simply there.
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DeOrr Sr and Jessica Mitchell,
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The parents of young DeOrr,
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Grandpa, Jessica’s grandpa,
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And another man
named Isaac Reinwand,
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Who was a friend of grandpa
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Who apparently at
the last minute
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Decided to go camping
with them.
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It was dark when
they got there.
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DeOrr said they
parked the truck
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Parked the trailer
in the suburban.
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Issac pitched his tent,
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They got grandpa settled
in the camp trailer,
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They slept in the back
of the suburban.
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Got up the next morning,
and then he realized
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How rural it was.
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You know, they were
basically at the end
of the road.
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Thought it was
a pretty safe place.
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You know? Cliffs kinda
all the way around,
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Not really any way
for him to get out.
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You know?
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The next morning,
July 10th, Friday,
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They wake up,
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They're hanging around
in the campsite.
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They had gone
into Leadore, to the store,
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Because Jessica needed
feminine products,
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They went in there
and they bought,
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You know, just that stuff
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And then some candy and
stuff for the little man.
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Jessica goes
to the bathroom,
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As the boys loaded up.
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And they return to
the campground.
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So they get to the campground,
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This Isaac and
the grandfather bob
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Said, "we got some fish."
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And he showed the fish
to DeOrr,
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And DeOrr supposedly says,
"I ain't believing you caught
those fish in the stream.
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I can't believe it.
Show me where you
got 'em."
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So Jessica and DeOrr
with this Issac
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Go towards the creek,
which is maybe 100 feet away.
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they say
to little DeOrr,
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"do you wanna come
with us?"
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According to law enforcement,
little DeOrr follows them
for a point,
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But then turns around
and goes back.
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The parents continue on
assuming that grandpa
is watching DeOrr.
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And Jessica tells me,
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She keeps looking back
over her shoulder
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To make sure the little boy
is not following them.
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And when she was confident
he wasn't following,
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They went to the two spots
along the creek
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Where they supposedly
caught the fish.
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they went down there
probably 10-15 minutes,
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And then they saw minnows.
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And they were gonna
go back to camp
and get little man,
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Because he loves fish.
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He loves bugs...
Stuff like that.
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And so,
they went back up there
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And DeOrr looks
at bob and says,
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"where's little DeOrr?"
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And bob says,
"he was right here."
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"where's little DeOrr?"
and grandpa says,
"he's right there."
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Of course he's not there.
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Grandfather claims he didn't
go inside his trailer.
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But I believe he did.
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Police say that Issac Reinwand
at this time is down
at the creek, fishing.
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They say they panic.
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They do a search of
the immediate campground.
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They look wherever
they can.
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craziness started.
Everybody's...
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I mean, they started yelling,
they started searching.
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They searched for about
15 to 20 minutes.
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No sign of them.
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Then it's decided they
better call 911.
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It's a remote area,
you can't get
cell phone service.
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Jessica says miraculously
she got a signal.
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Um, my two-year-old son...
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Um, we can't find him.
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DeOrr hops into his truck,
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Goes down the road to see
if he can get better service.
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Both of them were
on the phone
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With 911
at the same time.
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You know, "my son's missing.
Can you help us?"
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And then it's just all been
chaos from there.
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Good evening, everyone.
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You're in the right place,
at the right time.
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This is coast to cost am.
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Tonight, we plunge once again,
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Into the deep end of
the paranormal pool.
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Hundreds of people vanish
from our national parks
and forests.
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Some right under the noses
of parents or family members,
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Under very unusual,
but very similar
circumstances.
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Dave Paulides, welcome back
to the program.
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thanks for
having me, George.
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all right, Dave,
I wanna jump right into this.
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DeOrr Kunz, two-years-old.
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I mean, you were a cop.
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If you were
investigating this case,
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Abduction is one of the least
likely events, right?
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I would probably say yes.
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And the reason for that is,
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Is that the family was
in a campground,
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Deep into the mountains.
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There was one very
rocky, rough road going in,
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And the same road out.
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If someone would have driven
into that area,
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You would think that
the family would have
heard him.
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And if they would've
walked up to the campsite,
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They for sure would
have been seen.
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It's like,
it's like in so many
of the other cases.
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It's like he's plucked
out of the sky.
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It's like just snatched
out of the sky.
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that case
is very reminiscent
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Of a case that happened
decades earlier
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Just outside of Estes park,
Colorado.
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St. Malo is...
Purely for Catholics,
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It's one of the most visited
placed in the Estes valley.
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Up on the hill
you have the statue of Christ.
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Then right below that,
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Is st. Catherine's chapel.
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The story of St. Malo
is really wonderful.
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It goes back to a man
named father Joseph Pascetti,
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Who was a catholic priest.
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One day, in 1916,
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He came up to Tahosa Valley,
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And he and two or three
others were camping
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On the slopes of mount meeker,
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When they saw
a meteor in the sky.
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They got up,
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Wandered toward the meteor
hoping they'd found where
it came down,
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And ended up standing
on the rock
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Where st. Catherine's chapel
is located.
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And father Pascetti said
this would be a good place
for a boys' camp,
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And the rest is history.
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I'm the caretaker here,
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At st. Catherine of Siena's
chapel on the rock.
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This was built 1935
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As a chapel for camp kids
for all those years.
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Lots of camp kids
came here.
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And 1973, I came up here
and became a camp counselor
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At camp St. Malo,
and loved the outdoors.
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Every week,
the kids would go on hikes.
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There was an easy,
medium and hard hike.
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And we'd have bonfire
and lodge night,
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Where we did skits
and sang songs and...
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The camaraderie was awesome.
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It's August,
it's a warm summer month.
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Bobby Bizup was
a ten-year-old camper.
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He was partially deaf,
wore a hearing aid.
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And he liked to fish.
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Well, on August 15th,
at about 6:00 p.m.
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Bobby was fishing in the small
creek behind the retreat,
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When a counselor
approached him and told him
it was dinner time.
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Bobby acknowledged
the counselor
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And started to follow him
downhill towards the retreat.
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As the counselor was
walking back,
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He turned behind him
to look,
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And bobby was gone.
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And that's when
the search started.
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St. Malo retreat and
the summer camp
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Is right on the border of
rocky mountain national park.
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Within four days there were
400 searches from
the national park service,
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Local sheriffs, volunteers
and SAR experts.
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Officials were
difficult to understand
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How bobby could get lost
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Because it's straight downhill
on a very defined trail
to the retreat.
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During the height
of the search,
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The civil air patrol dropped
5,000 leaflets
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Which were telling bobby that
his parents loved him
and they needed him.
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On August 25th,
the formal search
was terminated
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After a nine day effort.
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Now, there were
three counselors
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That were looking for bobby
that entire time,
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And the following year
they returned.
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And one day, they walked
up the side of mount meeker,
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Right through
the boulder field,
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About 2,000 feet up
from the retreat,
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And saw a hearing aid,
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And bits of clothing.
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They found
Bobby Bizup's remains.
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And they found him
in a ravine,
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Up on the face
of mount meeker,
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Which is right here,
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Along cabin creek.
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He was in a ravine
that they had searched
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At least three times
the year before.
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make no mistake,
bobby could not have been lost.
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Uphill, the meeker
is an exhausting
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And treacherous
hiking spots.
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Downhill to the retreat is
dinner and an easy hike.
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you mentioned that
bobby is hearing impaired.
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When you look
at the big picture
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In the number of cases
that you have investigated,
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The fact that he's impaired
is almost as if that's
one of the factors
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On why they're targeted.
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It seems as though an
abnormal number
of these people
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Disappear with some type of
physical impairment,
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Or genetic deficiency.
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So bobby's case
happened August 15th, 1958.
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These go back decades.
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But even today it's happening
as we speak.
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It's the third night
an Idaho falls family
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Is spending without
their son.
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More than 10,000
man hours have been put
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Into trying to find
a missing toddler
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In Lemhi county.
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A lot of facts
didn't add up.
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I just... I don't know.
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It's a disappearance
that has many
scratching their heads.
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Ten miles west of Leadore,
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This campground
was the last place
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Anyone saw two-year-old
DeOrr Kunz Jr.
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a child that age,
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75% of them are found within
four tenths of a mile
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Of the place last seen.
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I mean, you look at the terrain
and it's extremely rugged,
259
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But they can go further than
you think would be reasonable.
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I sent a deputy up there,
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Activated search and rescue.
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the sheriff
within a few hours
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He had several searchers
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Who were searching
for this boy.
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Wt find him.
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We used dogs
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To start with some
ground searchers.
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To start with, uh...
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Helicopter came in.
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I mean, the had flare which
is forward looking
infrared for night.
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This is all these guys do.
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This type of stuff,
search and rescue.
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I wanna spread everybody
out in one long chain.
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As wide as we can get.
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I mean, from hilltop
to hilltop,
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We gonna walk
the main street high.
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I wanna cover every
little nook and cranny,
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Cover every log...
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Anything that
looks turned over,
check it out.
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I was 90 to 100 miles an hour
driving around people,
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You know, just acting
like a maniac to get up there.
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I thought it's gonna
be really foolish
when I get up there
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And get out of the car
and he's right there.
284
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You know, and I got out of
the car and that wasn't
what happened.
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You know, everyone said
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Take five steps, look up,
look down, look around.
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Take five steps, look up,
look down and around.
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And that's what we do.
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I mean, there's
a lot of area up there.
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There is people everywhere.
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I mean, there was 200 plus
searchers up there,
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The day after he went
missing on Saturday.
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You know, there was
people everywhere.
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maybe he fell
into the creek.
295
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That creek,
search and rescue crews
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Went through on
their hands and feet,
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With poles, literally crawling
through that creek.
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Nothing.
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I suppose they
check wolf dens,
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They check bear dens,
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They check eagle nests.
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Because an eagle could
pick up 30 pounds.
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Little DeOrr weighed
approximately 27-28 pounds.
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There are bears
in the area.
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There's bobcats,
there's mountain lions.
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There's other animals.
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But there would be some
sort of clothing,
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Or a bone, or something,
you would think.
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There's no clothing,
there's no flesh
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Or anything that would indicate
that an animal got him.
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There's no blood,
there's nothing there.
312
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You know, you think you
would find something.
313
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You're talking about
the trace you're looking for,
314
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Or maybe a boot came off.
315
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Well, they were camouflage
cowboy boots.
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You know, the thing of it is,
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Everything there
at that time of the year's
that tall.
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You know...
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Same size as him.
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It's possible.
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This little boot
is similar...
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Actually this
is the exact boot,
323
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Maybe just
a couple sizes bigger,
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That DeOrr was wearing
the day he went missing.
325
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I can tell you from experience,
326
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That these boots don't
stay on real good.
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My grandson kicks them off
in the car seat
328
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Every time
we put him in there.
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They were too big for him,
so they were sloppy,
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And he was clumsy anyway.
331
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When he would walk,
he'd just walk clumsily.
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Somebody picked him up,
the cowboy boot must have
fallen off his feet.
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So if these were the boots
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That DeOrr was wearing
that day and they were too big,
335
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Certainly if an animal
would have grabbed him,
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Even if somebody else
had abducted him,
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I think we would have
found... Something.
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The boots, his jacket...
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Something would be found
up there.
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We went for three or four days
without any sleep.
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And I got to the point where
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I was an emotional mess.
343
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You gotta have
a twofold investigation.
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You gotta think the search,
that's good.
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Then you can't find anything,
346
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Then you start focusing
on the parents.
347
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Then you focus on people,
who else were in the camp
around at that time.
348
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And so now they're
coming down hard
349
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On Jessica and DeOrr.
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Try to play
one against the other
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To see if one's gonna tell.
352
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Law enforcement
continually told us
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That all of the individuals
were being cooperative.
354
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They were all questioned
individually,
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And together.
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And they were working
with them.
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There wasn't any
sort of red flag
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That police were saying
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That were pointing them toward
one specific individual.
360
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You know, I've had to
grab her by the hand
361
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And go for walks with her
and say,
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"you just have to promise me,"
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If there's anything
that's going on,
364
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"You gotta talk to me,
you gotta tell me."
365
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You know,
and those conversations
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Have been very clear
and straightforward,
367
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And she's come back and said,
"mom, I don't know why
you're doing this to me.
368
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I didn't have anything to
do with this."
369
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DeOrr Sr. And Jessica Mitchell,
370
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The parents of young DeOrr,
371
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Came into our studios
and looked upset.
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They looked like they had been
wearing the same clothing
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That they were wearing
when they were camping.
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She was carrying
deorr's blanket.
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It was dirty,
it was ragged,
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It hadn't been washed.
And a teddy bear.
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One of his little toys.
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We sat down, and as I
do with any interview,
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Especially with
a distraught parent,
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You wanna show compassion
and kindness.
381
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But you also
wanna find out if they
382
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Might have anything to do
with his disappearance.
383
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All right, deorr,
so take us back...
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Was it Friday?
385
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I'm not sure what day
it is today.
386
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- Today's Monday. It was Friday.
- Yeah. It was Friday.
387
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Friday about...
388
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2:26 is when I...
Was it 2:26?
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It was 2:36 when I called.
390
00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:12,330
2:36 is when she called
and I was in the truck
391
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Hauling down to the road,
trying to get service.
392
00:22:13,966 --> 00:22:15,766
'Cause I didn't think
one bar would get it.
393
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:17,902
We... We were just...
394
00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:19,837
Yeah, we decided we were
gonna go a little exploring.
395
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:22,073
He was gonna be good with
grandpa by the campfire.
396
00:22:22,075 --> 00:22:24,909
- We weren't
probably more than 15--
-ten minutes.
397
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Fifty yards away
in ten minutes
398
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By the time I'd seen him
399
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To the point I figured out
he was gone.
400
00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:32,583
And the creek was empty?
401
00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:34,118
The creek,
there was nothing.
402
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,787
They had chainsaws,
um, moving,
403
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:39,824
'cause every few feet
it was blocked off.
404
00:22:39,826 --> 00:22:42,827
Blocked down and
blocked off from nature.
405
00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:46,430
From tress, from branches,
from debris.
406
00:22:46,432 --> 00:22:49,600
I mean, there was a lot
of places that he could be,
407
00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,435
And that's what they
wanted to eliminate.
408
00:22:51,437 --> 00:22:52,670
That was my biggest concern.
409
00:22:52,672 --> 00:22:54,438
'Cause that's where
we were by.
410
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,774
That means that there's
a chance he's still alive.
411
00:22:56,776 --> 00:23:00,578
And that's all I need is
a chance to know that
he's still alive.
412
00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:02,513
And until I have him...
413
00:23:02,515 --> 00:23:05,850
And closure, or him,
nothing is stopping.
414
00:23:05,852 --> 00:23:09,687
Do you know if somebody
had a vendetta against you?
415
00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:11,722
I mean, I'm sure you've
gone through your mind...
416
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:12,790
We've been
wreaking our brains.
417
00:23:12,792 --> 00:23:14,258
We have been
wreaking our brains.
418
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:16,494
And I don't know anybody
that doesn't have a few people
419
00:23:16,496 --> 00:23:18,562
That either will like you
or hate you.
420
00:23:18,564 --> 00:23:21,399
But not to harm a two-year-old,
almost three-year-old.
421
00:23:21,401 --> 00:23:22,566
Not to harm us this way.
422
00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:26,437
Especially knowing how
much he means to us.
423
00:23:26,439 --> 00:23:28,906
He's everything to us.
424
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,880
No, we're actually
getting married next month.
425
00:23:35,882 --> 00:23:37,248
Oh.
426
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:39,583
I saw the rings and didn't
know if it was engagement,
or...
427
00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:40,785
engagement.
428
00:23:40,787 --> 00:23:42,553
How long have you
been together? Pop quiz.
429
00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:44,522
- Almost five years.
- -yeah.
430
00:23:48,727 --> 00:23:51,695
Jessica's always been
very, very reserved.
431
00:23:51,697 --> 00:23:55,800
She does not like to let
people see her emotionally.
432
00:23:58,403 --> 00:23:59,670
Yeah, she is quiet.
433
00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:02,406
And he is the one
that more dynamic.
434
00:24:02,408 --> 00:24:04,008
Maybe you might say
probably to a fault.
435
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,115
You know, the 911 call
that she made,
436
00:24:11,117 --> 00:24:12,383
Everyone kept saying,
437
00:24:12,385 --> 00:24:14,718
You know, why was it that
she was so calm?
438
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,855
I am
actually camping in leadore.
439
00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:20,391
Just outside of leadore.
440
00:24:20,393 --> 00:24:21,559
uh-huh.
441
00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:24,261
um, my two-year-old son...
442
00:24:24,263 --> 00:24:26,063
Um, we can't find him.
443
00:24:27,766 --> 00:24:29,567
I know they
need money.
444
00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:32,236
I know they owe
a lot of money in montpelier,
445
00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:34,305
A lot of money
for childcare.
446
00:24:34,307 --> 00:24:36,340
And I know she had
her tubes tied since,
447
00:24:36,342 --> 00:24:40,110
So she could never have
it reversed, never have
another child.
448
00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:43,881
I think she did that because
she didn't want children.
449
00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:45,983
But there's evidence
that she was...
450
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,819
Uh, had a hard time
dealing with kids.
451
00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:51,288
She would leave her kid
at daycare,
452
00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:52,857
And leave him unattended
many times.
453
00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:56,393
I've talked to many people
that brought that up.
454
00:24:56,395 --> 00:25:00,231
She has two kids
from her ex-husband.
455
00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:03,868
And every other weekend
they go to her house
for the weekend.
456
00:25:10,141 --> 00:25:13,177
Seemed like good kids.
Still think they are good kids.
457
00:25:14,145 --> 00:25:15,079
Um...
458
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,615
They're hurting... Bad.
459
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:19,683
Um...
460
00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:23,153
I've held deorr while
he's cried.
461
00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:25,923
After we
finished the interview,
462
00:25:25,925 --> 00:25:27,825
I said, "well, I hope
he's found today."
463
00:25:27,827 --> 00:25:30,628
I hope you find him today."
464
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:32,263
And then, that night,
465
00:25:32,265 --> 00:25:34,698
I saw them again
at a vigil.
466
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,166
hear the god
of all comfort, lord,
467
00:25:36,168 --> 00:25:39,603
That you would comfort
the heart of jessica and deorr
468
00:25:39,605 --> 00:25:40,838
And trina, lord.
469
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,473
He could be very, very close.
470
00:25:42,475 --> 00:25:43,941
He could be very far away.
471
00:25:43,943 --> 00:25:46,644
We don't know,
but we are covering
all bases at this point.
472
00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:50,948
There's not much to be said
other than one small mistake
as a parent.
473
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:54,885
You know, leaving him
with an adult
474
00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:56,554
That turns his head
for a minute,
475
00:25:56,556 --> 00:25:57,955
They move, they go.
476
00:25:57,957 --> 00:26:00,691
Please, cherish
and love each other.
477
00:26:00,693 --> 00:26:02,993
'Cause it can be changed
in just a split second.
478
00:26:02,995 --> 00:26:05,563
And they said that
they were leaving from
the vigil
479
00:26:05,565 --> 00:26:07,565
To go back up
to the campsite
480
00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:08,866
To continue to search.
481
00:26:37,295 --> 00:26:40,431
Basically what we
would do is pick an area
482
00:26:40,433 --> 00:26:42,866
Were we would like
to hike and explore.
483
00:26:42,868 --> 00:26:47,605
And so when we went along
big south trail
for the first time,
484
00:26:47,607 --> 00:26:50,708
Gorgeous hike,
beautiful, beautiful river.
485
00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:55,613
This is really a wild area.
486
00:26:55,615 --> 00:26:59,049
And the reason
why gary and I
so much enjoy
487
00:26:59,051 --> 00:27:00,317
Hiking together.
488
00:27:04,889 --> 00:27:06,890
And then it was
just coincidental
489
00:27:06,892 --> 00:27:08,926
That we wound up
in a rock field
490
00:27:08,928 --> 00:27:11,562
And said, you know,
"let's hike up the ridge."
491
00:27:11,564 --> 00:27:16,100
And I think it's about
2,000 foot hike up
492
00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:18,435
Elevation to get to
the top of it.
493
00:27:18,437 --> 00:27:21,271
But really remarkable country.
494
00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:22,673
Yeah, okay...
495
00:27:22,675 --> 00:27:24,608
Pretty much it was like
almost a scramble.
496
00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:26,543
So you're watching your feet,
497
00:27:26,545 --> 00:27:28,679
And basically you're
just focused
498
00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:30,214
A few feet in front
of you, your own feet,
499
00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:32,149
So you don't twist an ankle
or something.
500
00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:34,051
And that's when I saw
the shoe.
501
00:27:36,188 --> 00:27:41,525
It was like somebody
had just took their foot
right out of it, you know.
502
00:27:41,527 --> 00:27:42,926
It was so fresh,
I thought like
503
00:27:42,928 --> 00:27:45,095
I would see a kid
standing in front of me.
504
00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:51,268
- Cheese.
- -and what's your name?
505
00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:54,238
Now give me that big smile
with dimples.
506
00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:56,407
Yeah!
507
00:27:56,409 --> 00:27:58,842
It wasn't so much
that he liked the raiders.
508
00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:00,644
He loved silver and black.
509
00:28:00,646 --> 00:28:02,880
And when he saw the raiders
on tv one day,
510
00:28:02,882 --> 00:28:04,648
He's like, "dad, there's
a silver and black team."
511
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:06,917
I said, "yeah, there is."
"that's my team, dad."
512
00:28:06,919 --> 00:28:08,352
And I'm like, "okay."
513
00:28:08,354 --> 00:28:09,753
So he's a raiders fan.
514
00:28:11,222 --> 00:28:12,856
My name is jocelyn atadero,
515
00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:14,625
And my brother jaryd atadero
went missing
516
00:28:14,627 --> 00:28:17,294
In the colorado mountains
in 1999.
517
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:20,798
As I was younger,
518
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,466
My dad would tell me that
I would tell him
519
00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:24,435
Certain memories I had
of the hike.
520
00:28:24,437 --> 00:28:25,869
As I got older, though,
521
00:28:25,871 --> 00:28:29,339
I couldn't even tell you what
I told him back then.
522
00:28:29,341 --> 00:28:31,642
The only memory I have
523
00:28:31,644 --> 00:28:34,311
Of the resort,
or that whole time period,
524
00:28:34,313 --> 00:28:37,114
Is after jaryd
had disappeared.
525
00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:39,083
We were back
at the resort in a room...
526
00:28:39,085 --> 00:28:40,651
I couldn't even tell you where,
527
00:28:40,653 --> 00:28:42,586
And my dad was
kneeling on the ground crying,
528
00:28:42,588 --> 00:28:43,887
And I was hugging him.
529
00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:51,061
I was attracted
to poudre canyon,
530
00:28:51,063 --> 00:28:53,964
Because, you know,
the trees were beautiful.
531
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:57,167
And you know there's
stuff out there,
532
00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:58,368
But it's just
interesting because
533
00:28:58,370 --> 00:29:00,938
You become part of
the poudre canyon right there.
534
00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:06,777
It was approximately
a ten acre resort.
535
00:29:06,779 --> 00:29:09,413
It was small, but, you know,
we kept busy.
536
00:29:12,217 --> 00:29:13,751
It was all about
just being there.
537
00:29:13,753 --> 00:29:15,753
It was one of those
situations where
538
00:29:15,755 --> 00:29:18,722
When you actually own
a little store there...
539
00:29:18,724 --> 00:29:21,024
We got up at six o'clock
in the morning,
540
00:29:21,026 --> 00:29:23,427
And we closed at eleven o'clock
in the night.
541
00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:26,930
Not only did it
take care of us,
542
00:29:26,932 --> 00:29:28,832
But how many people
get the opportunity
543
00:29:28,834 --> 00:29:31,135
To be next
to their kids 24/7?
544
00:29:31,137 --> 00:29:34,104
And that's what I really
enjoyed about the canyon.
545
00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:35,405
There were only
three of us.
546
00:29:35,407 --> 00:29:37,641
I mean, even though had
a family at the resort,
547
00:29:37,643 --> 00:29:39,042
We had people that
worked for us,
548
00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:40,544
It was jocelyn, jared and I.
549
00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,379
We knew that
we were the family.
550
00:29:48,486 --> 00:29:51,922
The group decided they wanted
to go to the trout farm,
551
00:29:51,924 --> 00:29:53,423
The fishery,
right around the corner.
552
00:29:53,425 --> 00:29:56,226
Maybe about a mile and a half,
two miles
from the resort itself.
553
00:29:58,696 --> 00:30:00,230
Hey, allyn.
Jocelyn wants to know...
554
00:30:00,232 --> 00:30:02,032
several of the people
I knew quite well.
555
00:30:02,034 --> 00:30:05,002
So I gave permission
for jocelyn to go.
556
00:30:05,004 --> 00:30:07,104
Not knowing that jaryd
would be saying,
557
00:30:07,106 --> 00:30:10,174
"gee, dad. If she can go,
why can't I go, too?"
558
00:30:11,976 --> 00:30:13,577
He had his shoes on.
559
00:30:13,579 --> 00:30:15,212
He hated tying his shoes.
560
00:30:15,214 --> 00:30:17,014
So I didn't make him
tie his shoes.
561
00:30:17,016 --> 00:30:19,283
And he had like
a beige color jacket.
562
00:30:20,618 --> 00:30:21,819
Have fun, okay?
563
00:30:21,821 --> 00:30:24,321
Don't get too close
to the water.
564
00:30:24,323 --> 00:30:27,958
I let jaryd go and I assumed
that's where they were going.
565
00:30:38,903 --> 00:30:41,705
Moderate.
Ups, downs.
566
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:44,875
You could take a kid on it
as long as you kept
the kid in line
567
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:47,945
And hung onto him.
568
00:30:47,947 --> 00:30:52,216
'cause there was some areas
where the ledges were only
24 inches wide.
569
00:30:52,218 --> 00:30:55,652
And you had loose shell
all the way down
to the river, so...
570
00:30:55,654 --> 00:30:57,087
And then there was
rock fields.
571
00:30:57,089 --> 00:30:58,522
Being a moderate trail,
it was pretty tough.
572
00:30:58,524 --> 00:31:02,025
If you're not in shape,
it will take it out of you.
573
00:31:02,027 --> 00:31:05,629
The church group went up
to the big south trail.
574
00:31:05,631 --> 00:31:06,897
They parked at the trail head,
575
00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:09,166
And they started walking
in on the trail.
576
00:31:15,006 --> 00:31:18,442
They started to separate or
spread out as they walked.
577
00:31:18,444 --> 00:31:20,510
Some people faster and slower.
578
00:31:22,413 --> 00:31:26,149
One adult with jaryd's sister
and jaryd,
579
00:31:26,151 --> 00:31:28,919
Seemed to be out ahead
of everybody else.
580
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:32,422
As jaryd,
as a three-year-old,
581
00:31:32,424 --> 00:31:35,425
Is running and playing
and having a good time.
582
00:31:35,427 --> 00:31:37,995
And I believe
there was something
583
00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:40,697
Ten to twenty minutes
worth of time
584
00:31:40,699 --> 00:31:43,567
That she lost track...
585
00:31:43,569 --> 00:31:47,137
The adult realized, "I haven't
seen him for a while."
586
00:31:47,139 --> 00:31:49,706
And when they went up
to try to find him,
587
00:31:49,708 --> 00:31:51,909
They kept going thinking
they would catch up,
588
00:31:51,911 --> 00:31:53,343
And they didn't catch up.
589
00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:56,747
It was reported that he
spoke to some fishermen.
590
00:31:56,749 --> 00:32:00,884
And he asked if
there were bears around.
591
00:32:00,886 --> 00:32:03,320
And he's alone at this
point in time.
592
00:32:07,158 --> 00:32:10,427
At least they have an idea,
you know, roughly
593
00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:12,195
Where he was last seen.
594
00:32:17,802 --> 00:32:21,204
I myself was cleaning
some things,
595
00:32:21,206 --> 00:32:25,442
And decided to sit down
and watch a football game.
596
00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:28,111
And I must have been watching
for maybe 15 or 20 minutes,
597
00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:29,680
And I slowly nodded off.
598
00:32:35,253 --> 00:32:36,853
something is wrong.
599
00:32:36,855 --> 00:32:39,122
And they're like,
"allyn, we have to
talk to you."
600
00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:42,726
"sure. What's going on?"
and they said,
601
00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:45,329
"we had a problem
with jaryd."
602
00:32:45,331 --> 00:32:48,398
"what happened? Did he fall?
Did he scrape his knee?
603
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,734
Did he break his arm?
What happened?"
604
00:32:50,736 --> 00:32:52,736
And what they actually
said to me was,
605
00:32:53,738 --> 00:32:57,207
"he's okay.
We just can't find him."
606
00:32:57,209 --> 00:33:00,811
At that moment, I realized
I had to go up the road.
607
00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:03,213
We got in our cars.
I was in my truck.
608
00:33:03,215 --> 00:33:05,082
And I'm like, "well,
where are we going?"
609
00:33:05,084 --> 00:33:07,351
They said it's about...
I can't remember.
610
00:33:07,353 --> 00:33:09,586
Sixteen, fifteen, sixteen
miles up the road.
611
00:33:09,588 --> 00:33:11,855
I'm like, "are you serious?"
612
00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,691
How'd you guys get that
far up the road?
613
00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:18,996
And the entire way
up the road,
614
00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:20,597
I just kept beating myself
on the chest,
615
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,499
Like someone had stabbed
me with a sword.
616
00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:25,102
Just beating my chest
and yelling.
617
00:33:25,104 --> 00:33:26,703
Dad's sorry, little man.
618
00:33:26,705 --> 00:33:27,971
Just yelling jaryd's name.
619
00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:29,639
Sorry I let you go...
620
00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:32,376
Yelling for god
to help me.
621
00:33:32,378 --> 00:33:33,977
Please help me find
my son, lord.
622
00:33:33,979 --> 00:33:35,078
Just yelling and screaming.
623
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,580
I yelled and screamed
in my truck
624
00:33:36,582 --> 00:33:38,348
All the way up the road.
625
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,384
I don't even know how
I got there.
626
00:33:40,386 --> 00:33:42,986
I drove that road
probably twice as fast
627
00:33:42,988 --> 00:33:45,288
As anyone should even
drive that road.
628
00:33:50,561 --> 00:33:52,029
Jaryd!
629
00:33:57,735 --> 00:33:59,403
Jaryd!
630
00:34:02,774 --> 00:34:04,508
And as I ran up that trail,
631
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:06,977
I yelled and yelled,
and screamed his name,
632
00:34:06,979 --> 00:34:08,211
Screamed, "jaryd."
633
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,013
Screamed "jay-rod."
I called him jay-rod.
634
00:34:10,015 --> 00:34:11,415
I called him "my little man."
635
00:34:11,417 --> 00:34:14,251
I called every name
I could,
636
00:34:15,286 --> 00:34:17,554
Trying to get a response
from him.
637
00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:21,224
And I listened.
638
00:34:33,871 --> 00:34:36,706
And I'm not sure exactly
how far we got up on the trail,
639
00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:40,143
But I stopped and I realized,
"oh, my god.
This is gonna be...
640
00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:42,045
This is not what
I thought it was.
641
00:34:42,047 --> 00:34:43,780
"I just can't get up here
and find him."
642
00:34:51,289 --> 00:34:55,559
we worked for
solid eight days
to begin with.
643
00:34:55,561 --> 00:34:59,796
And that was 24 hours a day
for eight days.
644
00:34:59,798 --> 00:35:02,799
We're gonna keep
visual contact at all time.
645
00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:05,435
We did some night searching.
646
00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:07,270
It was limited
to a certain extent,
647
00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:10,907
But we did always have
people out in the field
648
00:35:10,909 --> 00:35:12,476
To make noise,
649
00:35:12,478 --> 00:35:14,311
So if somebody was
out there now,
650
00:35:14,313 --> 00:35:16,780
Jaryd would have heard it,
he would have maybe
651
00:35:16,782 --> 00:35:19,449
Responded or went to.
652
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:24,054
It was very intense.
Very media friendly.
653
00:35:24,056 --> 00:35:26,056
I mean,
there was media, cnn...
654
00:35:26,058 --> 00:35:29,426
So it became a real
nationwide episode.
655
00:35:29,428 --> 00:35:33,530
So, that put a lot of stress
on us and a lot of stress
on the dogs.
656
00:35:41,339 --> 00:35:43,673
It was a situation to where...
657
00:35:46,711 --> 00:35:48,078
People lost hope.
658
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,547
Like, we're not gonna
find him, you know.
659
00:35:50,549 --> 00:35:53,250
This is one of those situations
where he disappeared.
660
00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:02,125
We had hiked the area
couple of times before,
661
00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:04,761
And we had talked about
662
00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:06,463
The mystery of jaryd atadero.
663
00:36:06,465 --> 00:36:08,198
Whether he had been
swept downstream,
664
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,234
Abducted by a mountain lion,
665
00:36:11,236 --> 00:36:14,271
Or of there had been something
more sinister than that.
666
00:36:14,273 --> 00:36:16,907
This time, we decided
to go off trail.
667
00:36:16,909 --> 00:36:19,743
And we just walked
right into it.
668
00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:22,712
And we knew right away
669
00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:26,283
That it was probably
jaryd atadero's clothes.
670
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:38,862
Not...
Boy, that's a hard one.
671
00:36:38,864 --> 00:36:40,197
No way. No way.
672
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:41,831
- I...
- Absolutely no way.
673
00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:44,267
Not all the way.
I couldn't see him going...
674
00:36:44,269 --> 00:36:47,404
He lived in a cabin--
675
00:36:47,406 --> 00:36:49,105
He's a three-year-old.
There's no way...
676
00:36:49,107 --> 00:36:51,274
There's no way
that would happen.
677
00:36:51,276 --> 00:36:54,411
Yeah. I mean, it was a struggle
for gary and I to get there.
678
00:36:54,413 --> 00:36:55,812
Very rough terrain.
679
00:37:27,378 --> 00:37:30,247
there were k-9 alerts
680
00:37:30,249 --> 00:37:32,249
That would go
that direction.
681
00:37:32,251 --> 00:37:34,784
Now, whether they were right
at the scree field,
682
00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:38,822
Or before it, but they were
at least alerting up that hill.
683
00:37:38,824 --> 00:37:41,458
That's why I'm reasonably
certain we searched it,
684
00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:44,828
Because we...
When a dog alerts like that,
685
00:37:44,830 --> 00:37:46,796
We're thinking, "okay,
something must be up there."
686
00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:49,332
Let's get up there
and search for it."
687
00:37:49,334 --> 00:37:51,635
But we never
found anything.
688
00:37:51,637 --> 00:37:55,472
I think whatever's happening is
beyond our understanding.
689
00:37:57,041 --> 00:37:58,808
In a lot of these cases,
690
00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:01,778
Search and rescue,
or the volunteer
searching people
691
00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:03,780
Have already gone
over certain areas,
692
00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:07,117
Not once, not twice,
but even dozens of times.
693
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,353
And then,
the child is found there
694
00:38:10,355 --> 00:38:12,589
Maybe a year,
maybe a few years later.
695
00:38:15,493 --> 00:38:17,494
When we had
discovered the clothes
696
00:38:17,496 --> 00:38:18,762
And went back up there,
697
00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:21,264
With some of the people
involved in the search,
698
00:38:21,266 --> 00:38:22,766
You know, they were all
scratching their heads.
699
00:38:22,768 --> 00:38:25,001
Like, you know, they had
all been around
700
00:38:25,003 --> 00:38:26,803
The area.
701
00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:30,507
My conclusion was
an animal encounter
702
00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:32,409
Right at the beginning.
703
00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:36,546
And so, I'm not sure
officially
704
00:38:36,548 --> 00:38:40,350
What has really been
released as a finality,
705
00:38:40,352 --> 00:38:44,454
But it pretty much points
to an animal encounter.
706
00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:46,890
If a cat actually took him,
707
00:38:46,892 --> 00:38:50,160
Which is what I believe,
I believe happened.
708
00:38:50,162 --> 00:38:52,796
The cat would have taken
him some place
709
00:38:52,798 --> 00:38:54,364
And buried him, and...
710
00:38:54,366 --> 00:38:56,466
With all of the activity
that was going on.
711
00:38:56,468 --> 00:38:58,401
It probably would
have left,
712
00:38:58,403 --> 00:39:00,170
Because we would have
scared it away,
713
00:39:00,172 --> 00:39:02,072
And it would have
came back later.
714
00:39:03,974 --> 00:39:07,410
I hear constantly
about a mountain lion.
715
00:39:07,412 --> 00:39:11,781
Yet, when they tested
jaryd's clothing,
716
00:39:11,783 --> 00:39:13,416
There was
no mountain lion hairs,
717
00:39:13,418 --> 00:39:16,986
No dna, no blood,
nothing on his clothing.
718
00:39:16,988 --> 00:39:20,190
This is actually what's
left of the cranium
719
00:39:20,192 --> 00:39:21,891
After four different dna tests.
720
00:39:24,161 --> 00:39:26,262
To think that I...
721
00:39:26,264 --> 00:39:28,732
I mean, I have a hard time
comprehending this.
722
00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:31,501
But to think I'm actually
sitting here
holding my son...
723
00:39:32,737 --> 00:39:34,938
This is what I have
left of him.
724
00:39:37,775 --> 00:39:40,243
The clothing was sent
to the cbi.
725
00:39:40,245 --> 00:39:42,078
The clothing was
tested by the cbi.
726
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,547
No mountain lion hairs,
727
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:47,784
No blood, nothing on any
of the articles of clothing.
728
00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:54,124
If a mountain lion
would have attacked him,
729
00:39:54,126 --> 00:39:55,759
They go for the stomach area.
730
00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:57,794
This jacket would
have been in shreds.
731
00:39:57,796 --> 00:39:59,262
I've been told
by several people,
732
00:39:59,264 --> 00:40:00,897
Mountain lion experts
in the woods,
733
00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:04,234
This jacket would not have
survived a mountain lion
attack, period.
734
00:40:04,236 --> 00:40:05,802
These are the actual shoes.
735
00:40:05,804 --> 00:40:08,405
These are jaryd's shoes
that were found
up on the mountain.
736
00:40:08,407 --> 00:40:10,039
I've been told by experts
737
00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:12,142
That they do not look like
they've been
in the wilderness
738
00:40:12,144 --> 00:40:13,510
For three-and-a-half years.
739
00:40:13,512 --> 00:40:16,913
The other thing that's
interesting about the shoes
740
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:18,982
Is you would think
741
00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:22,552
That if a mountain lion
were dragging his body
742
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:24,487
Up a mountain,
743
00:40:24,489 --> 00:40:26,322
And dragging him like this,
744
00:40:26,324 --> 00:40:28,358
You would see marks
on his shoes.
745
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,527
And there are no marks here.
746
00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:33,863
You would think if he was
dragging him this way
747
00:40:33,865 --> 00:40:35,298
Up the mountain,
748
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:36,833
Not only would you
see marks,
749
00:40:36,835 --> 00:40:39,536
But it would have pulled
his shoes off way before
750
00:40:39,538 --> 00:40:41,337
The area where they found him.
751
00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:43,807
Jaryd's pants were
found inside out.
752
00:40:44,642 --> 00:40:46,543
When people first see this,
753
00:40:46,545 --> 00:40:49,312
They get terrified, and go,
"oh, my gosh!
754
00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:51,514
What could have
happened to him?"
755
00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:54,451
There were birds
and rodents and stuff
756
00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:55,852
Literally pulling it apart,
757
00:40:55,854 --> 00:40:58,755
Using the material
as nesting.
758
00:40:58,757 --> 00:41:00,557
So you see
this material everywhere.
759
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:02,692
So it's not because
something attacked him
760
00:41:02,694 --> 00:41:04,327
And ripped his leg off.
761
00:41:04,329 --> 00:41:08,465
This is all due to
rodents and birds.
762
00:41:10,734 --> 00:41:13,670
We were relieve in one sense,
763
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:15,772
That the mystery had
been solved.
764
00:41:16,273 --> 00:41:17,907
My sense of it is that
765
00:41:17,909 --> 00:41:22,011
Jaryd was abducted
in the boulder field
766
00:41:22,013 --> 00:41:23,413
By the mountain lion.
767
00:41:23,415 --> 00:41:26,449
The mountain lion
grabbed him by his shoulder,
768
00:41:26,451 --> 00:41:30,420
And went straight up
the side of this mountain.
769
00:41:30,422 --> 00:41:32,155
In one of the reports,
770
00:41:32,157 --> 00:41:33,990
A person says,
771
00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:36,526
"the reason why we didn't find
any dna or blood"
772
00:41:36,528 --> 00:41:41,498
Is because either he
or something removed
his clothing
773
00:41:45,536 --> 00:41:49,639
Either jaryd or something
removed his clothing
before he was attacked.
774
00:41:50,541 --> 00:41:52,509
And they go on to say that
775
00:41:52,511 --> 00:41:54,544
"because there are so many
hikers coming up,
776
00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:58,581
That the mountain lion took
jaryd's body 500 feet
up the side of the cliff."
777
00:41:58,583 --> 00:42:00,116
Well, wait a second.
778
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,384
I can buy all that.
779
00:42:01,386 --> 00:42:03,152
But I can't buy this.
780
00:42:03,154 --> 00:42:07,390
If something or someone took
jaryd's clothing off
before he was attacked,
781
00:42:07,392 --> 00:42:10,527
That means his clothing
wasn't with him
782
00:42:10,529 --> 00:42:12,662
When this thing carried
him up the mountain.
783
00:42:14,431 --> 00:42:16,599
Jaryd's pants were
found inside out.
784
00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:19,202
Told by many
mountain lion experts,
785
00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:22,305
Mountain lions don't pull
clothing off of you,
786
00:42:22,307 --> 00:42:24,407
Especially your pants
and leave them there
on the mountain
787
00:42:24,409 --> 00:42:25,742
Inside out.
788
00:42:26,443 --> 00:42:28,044
There's just too much...
789
00:42:28,046 --> 00:42:31,247
There are too many questions
that don't have answers.
790
00:42:31,249 --> 00:42:33,917
And I feel strongly, my family
and I feel strongly
791
00:42:33,919 --> 00:42:35,885
That there is someone
out there
792
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:37,954
Who knows a little bit
more than we know.
793
00:42:50,601 --> 00:42:52,769
you know, when I
get questioned about this
794
00:42:52,771 --> 00:42:54,871
From people who've heard
our interviews,
795
00:42:54,873 --> 00:42:56,673
People will stick to that
796
00:42:56,675 --> 00:42:58,274
It's a bear,
it's a mountain lion,
797
00:42:58,276 --> 00:42:59,642
It's some kind of an animal.
798
00:42:59,644 --> 00:43:01,411
But I mean, they leave clues,
there's evidence.
799
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:02,912
There's blood,
there's tissue,
800
00:43:02,914 --> 00:43:05,515
There's indications of
a struggle, right?
801
00:43:05,517 --> 00:43:06,950
oh, absolutely.
802
00:43:06,952 --> 00:43:09,519
And when the trackers come in
with search and rescue,
803
00:43:09,521 --> 00:43:11,254
They're looking for
those indicators.
804
00:43:11,256 --> 00:43:14,223
There's gonna be a massive
scene there of blood,
805
00:43:14,225 --> 00:43:16,659
Hair, drag marks and things,
806
00:43:16,661 --> 00:43:19,095
As the animal would be
taking you away.
807
00:43:19,097 --> 00:43:21,064
That's one of the points
that we vet
808
00:43:21,066 --> 00:43:23,266
Before we even look into
one of these cases.
809
00:43:23,268 --> 00:43:25,768
And in the last 100 years,
810
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:28,871
There's only been 14 fatal
mountain lion attacks
811
00:43:28,873 --> 00:43:31,040
In the United States
and canada.
812
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:47,924
Idaho falls, idaho,
813
00:43:49,126 --> 00:43:51,227
And robert c. Walton.
814
00:43:57,434 --> 00:43:59,669
I didn't play
with him much.
815
00:43:59,671 --> 00:44:01,871
He was just getting to
the point where he
816
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,074
Could do something,
you know.
817
00:44:05,076 --> 00:44:09,045
He was over here quite a bit
with jessica.
818
00:44:09,047 --> 00:44:11,681
And he'd come over here
and bum candy off me.
819
00:44:20,724 --> 00:44:22,425
well...
820
00:44:24,161 --> 00:44:25,428
Sure. I think a little.
821
00:44:26,398 --> 00:44:31,901
I think
everybody who was there
has a little guilt about it.
822
00:44:32,403 --> 00:44:33,770
You know?
823
00:44:33,772 --> 00:44:35,171
Deorr and jessica
say that
824
00:44:35,173 --> 00:44:37,774
They decided to go
camping that weekend
825
00:44:37,776 --> 00:44:40,543
To kind of relive
826
00:44:40,545 --> 00:44:43,513
Good memories for
grandpa bob walton.
827
00:44:43,515 --> 00:44:46,649
This was apparently a spot
that in his earlier years
828
00:44:46,651 --> 00:44:49,218
Bob walton had gone to
several times.
829
00:44:50,454 --> 00:44:53,056
Grandpa is on oxygen.
830
00:44:53,058 --> 00:44:55,758
Some have said,
has some memory issues.
831
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,794
Law enforcement,
since day one,
832
00:44:57,796 --> 00:44:59,962
Have continually
ruled out grandpa,
833
00:44:59,964 --> 00:45:01,998
Because of his health issues,
834
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,601
And they don't think he was
in the right frame of mind
835
00:45:05,603 --> 00:45:07,603
To do anything like this.
836
00:45:07,605 --> 00:45:09,439
With my dad being ill,
837
00:45:09,441 --> 00:45:11,607
I asked jessica
to go up there,
838
00:45:11,609 --> 00:45:15,611
To be with him in the event
that something happened
to my father
839
00:45:15,613 --> 00:45:17,080
That she could
take care of him.
840
00:45:17,082 --> 00:45:18,648
I don't know bob,
841
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:20,817
And I've never met issac.
842
00:45:20,819 --> 00:45:25,621
But being the only
other two people there,
843
00:45:25,623 --> 00:45:28,024
Other than jessica
and deorr...
844
00:45:28,026 --> 00:45:30,026
If he was taken
from that campground,
845
00:45:30,028 --> 00:45:31,894
They have to be
involved somehow.
846
00:45:31,896 --> 00:45:33,896
Since deorr kunz
disappeared,
847
00:45:33,898 --> 00:45:37,400
Many have had questions
about the friend who was
with the family
848
00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:38,935
That day at the campsite.
849
00:45:38,937 --> 00:45:41,537
His name is issac reinwand.
850
00:45:41,539 --> 00:45:43,639
So we went to his
idaho falls house
851
00:45:43,641 --> 00:45:46,275
Over and over...
852
00:45:46,277 --> 00:45:47,376
Hello.
853
00:45:47,378 --> 00:45:48,511
...And over again.
854
00:45:49,513 --> 00:45:51,414
Finally,
early Monday morning,
855
00:45:51,416 --> 00:45:52,682
He answered the door.
856
00:45:52,684 --> 00:45:54,684
I'm nate eaton with
east idaho news.
857
00:45:54,686 --> 00:45:56,786
Yeah, I don't have any
questions, I'm sorry.
858
00:45:56,788 --> 00:45:58,121
You don't have anything
you wanna say?
859
00:45:58,123 --> 00:45:59,756
All right.
Sorry to wake you up.
860
00:45:59,758 --> 00:46:02,558
We just wanna see
if you have anything to say
about deorr missing.
861
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,227
- I don't.
- You don't?
862
00:46:04,229 --> 00:46:08,231
So he was just with you
and the grandfather
when he wandered away?
863
00:46:08,233 --> 00:46:11,467
And then, you guys thought
he was with the parents?
864
00:46:13,203 --> 00:46:14,704
Yeah.
865
00:46:14,706 --> 00:46:16,506
And the parents came back
and he was gone?
866
00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:19,041
Mm-hmm.
867
00:46:19,043 --> 00:46:21,177
Okay, listen. I don't have...
I don't... I can't...
868
00:46:21,179 --> 00:46:23,679
I don't wanna answer
anymore questions or anything.
869
00:46:23,681 --> 00:46:25,114
Thank you, sir.
870
00:46:25,116 --> 00:46:27,350
Strange thing about issac,
he never searched for the boy.
871
00:46:27,352 --> 00:46:29,318
I interviewed issac.
872
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,287
He's a strange duck.
873
00:46:31,289 --> 00:46:36,125
And he does have a prior
conviction of a sex crime.
874
00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:39,328
It was reduced to
a felony and a misdemeanor.
875
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:41,097
And the strange thing
876
00:46:41,099 --> 00:46:44,700
Is the morning after
the little boy was missing,
877
00:46:44,702 --> 00:46:46,335
He got up and said to
several people,
878
00:46:46,337 --> 00:46:49,105
"it's the best night's rest
I had in a long time."
879
00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:52,275
The parents told me that
they had never met issac
880
00:46:52,277 --> 00:46:54,076
Until this camping trip.
881
00:46:54,078 --> 00:46:56,746
That grandpa said,
"oh, I'm gonna
bring along a friend.
882
00:46:56,748 --> 00:46:58,748
We're gonna fish together.
883
00:46:58,750 --> 00:47:00,983
"We'll have a fun weekend
away together."
884
00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:02,985
And the parents were
okay with that.
885
00:47:05,757 --> 00:47:07,023
Bob walton?
886
00:47:07,025 --> 00:47:08,391
That's one of my
good friends that I met him
887
00:47:08,393 --> 00:47:11,294
When I lived over on
chamberlain avenue.
888
00:47:12,162 --> 00:47:14,063
I've known him for about
five years or so.
889
00:47:14,065 --> 00:47:16,399
He's always tried to
help me out.
890
00:47:16,401 --> 00:47:20,169
And I have done work
for him in his yard.
891
00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:24,273
He's always taking me on
fishing trips every year, so...
892
00:47:24,275 --> 00:47:26,709
I decided I wanted to
go this year, too,
893
00:47:26,711 --> 00:47:28,211
Because, you know,
it's fun.
894
00:47:32,382 --> 00:47:34,283
It was nice and clear.
895
00:47:34,285 --> 00:47:39,021
I don't know. It was noisy
'cause of the creek.
896
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:41,924
But other than that,
it was a wonderful day.
897
00:47:41,926 --> 00:47:44,493
There wasn't really
a cloud in the sky.
898
00:47:49,499 --> 00:47:52,501
Not too much.
Only that I was fishing
899
00:47:52,503 --> 00:47:54,604
And issac was watching me,
900
00:47:54,606 --> 00:47:57,940
And he got all excited after
I'd caught a couple.
901
00:47:57,942 --> 00:47:59,942
He was gonna get
his pole out.
902
00:47:59,944 --> 00:48:02,378
I think we caught
four or five.
903
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:05,715
About that time, here come
jess and deorr back.
904
00:48:05,717 --> 00:48:09,185
I don't know. I think it
was about noon,
maybe a little after.
905
00:48:09,187 --> 00:48:12,655
They had to go down to
get some gas for the truck.
906
00:48:12,657 --> 00:48:14,090
And they came back.
907
00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:17,460
so issac and
jessica and deorr was...
908
00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:20,897
Went to look for fish.
909
00:48:21,632 --> 00:48:23,432
And the kid was
there with me,
910
00:48:23,434 --> 00:48:26,135
But I turned my head
for a minute, I don't know
911
00:48:26,137 --> 00:48:29,639
For how long, five or ten
minutes, I don't know.
912
00:48:29,641 --> 00:48:32,541
the grandfather claims he
didn't go inside his trailer.
913
00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:34,243
But I believe he did.
914
00:48:34,245 --> 00:48:36,312
I believe he did
go inside the trailer.
915
00:48:36,314 --> 00:48:38,147
I showed them
a couple of fishing holes.
916
00:48:38,149 --> 00:48:40,383
I was going down
to another fishing hole.
917
00:48:40,385 --> 00:48:44,186
I was probably down there
half an hour, an hour, and...
918
00:48:44,188 --> 00:48:47,590
I looked to the right where
they were fishing.
919
00:48:47,592 --> 00:48:50,493
And I noticed their
fishing poles laying there
on the ground,
920
00:48:50,495 --> 00:48:51,861
And they weren't there.
921
00:48:51,863 --> 00:48:54,297
And then
here come deorr.
922
00:48:54,299 --> 00:48:56,632
What were his words?
"little deorr?"
923
00:48:56,634 --> 00:48:59,302
And I said,
"he's right there."
you know.
924
00:48:59,304 --> 00:49:03,139
And then, I see my friend bob
upon the ridge
925
00:49:03,141 --> 00:49:05,775
And I walked up to him
and asked him what was
going on.
926
00:49:05,777 --> 00:49:07,843
And he said,
"deorr is missing."
927
00:49:07,845 --> 00:49:09,979
So we all started
looking for him.
928
00:49:12,583 --> 00:49:14,450
No.
929
00:49:14,452 --> 00:49:16,652
No, I was the last one
to see the kid.
930
00:49:16,654 --> 00:49:21,023
And it wasn't that much...
Five-ten minutes.
931
00:49:21,025 --> 00:49:23,326
They was looking for him
themselves.
932
00:49:23,328 --> 00:49:25,661
Everyone's gonna have
to have someone
to blame here.
933
00:49:25,663 --> 00:49:27,530
You know, and unfortunately
934
00:49:27,532 --> 00:49:31,300
The last person to see him
is gonna be the one that has
the blame, you know.
935
00:49:31,302 --> 00:49:34,837
I mean, there was four people
in that campground that day.
936
00:49:34,839 --> 00:49:37,506
If everyone was that
worried about it,
937
00:49:37,508 --> 00:49:40,042
The baby should have went
with the parents.
938
00:49:40,044 --> 00:49:42,678
He chose not to, 'cause
he wanted to stay with my dad.
939
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,213
He wanted candy.
940
00:49:44,215 --> 00:49:46,949
This is the campsite
where deorr and his family
were camping.
941
00:49:46,951 --> 00:49:48,117
It looks like
your average campsite.
942
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,519
You've got a fire pit,
a picnic table...
943
00:49:50,521 --> 00:49:53,756
Very close to the creek we
have heard so much about.
944
00:49:53,758 --> 00:49:55,958
In fact, the creek
is just here,
945
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,360
A few yards away.
946
00:49:57,362 --> 00:49:59,462
Notice the terrain
down to the water.
947
00:49:59,464 --> 00:50:00,796
It's very steep.
948
00:50:03,167 --> 00:50:05,534
I don't...
949
00:50:05,536 --> 00:50:08,637
I really don't know what
happened to little deorr.
950
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:10,172
In my heart or nothing else.
951
00:50:14,012 --> 00:50:16,178
no, I don't.
952
00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:20,049
I don't.
953
00:50:20,051 --> 00:50:23,285
I really don't know what
happened to the kid.
954
00:50:25,422 --> 00:50:27,189
I don't know how much
more you need.
955
00:50:27,191 --> 00:50:29,158
It would be nice
to get him back.
956
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,560
That's the only thing
that I can say.
957
00:50:33,663 --> 00:50:37,800
We stayed up there until
about, you know, the...
958
00:50:37,802 --> 00:50:39,301
The red cross left.
959
00:50:39,303 --> 00:50:43,406
Till law enforcement told us
we could go home, so...
960
00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:47,043
and just coincidentally,
961
00:50:47,045 --> 00:50:49,045
Above where
deorr disappeared,
962
00:50:49,047 --> 00:50:50,146
Above that campsite,
963
00:50:50,148 --> 00:50:52,148
There is a large boulder field
964
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:55,051
Extending an
extraordinary distance.
965
00:50:55,053 --> 00:50:56,886
And that would be
one of those area
966
00:50:56,888 --> 00:50:58,788
That I'd give
an intense look at.
967
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:05,227
according to
oregon state police,
968
00:51:05,229 --> 00:51:08,998
There are 41 missing children
in oregon.
969
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,367
One of them is samuel boehlke.
970
00:51:11,369 --> 00:51:13,402
He was eight-years-old
when he vanished
971
00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:15,838
At crater lake
six-and-a-half years ago.
972
00:51:27,551 --> 00:51:31,120
Crater lake is
a magnificent place.
973
00:51:31,122 --> 00:51:32,988
The first time
somebody sees it
974
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:35,191
And the 100th time
somebody sees it,
975
00:51:35,193 --> 00:51:37,259
You say, "wow."
976
00:51:40,097 --> 00:51:42,198
It is a top of a mountain.
977
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,402
It was blown off thousands
of years ago,
978
00:51:47,204 --> 00:51:48,938
It was a volcano caldera
979
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:55,177
The water is
the most incredible blue
that you can imagine.
980
00:51:55,179 --> 00:51:56,779
knock out beautiful.
981
00:51:56,781 --> 00:51:59,248
I've been there
dozens of times.
982
00:51:59,250 --> 00:52:00,716
Maybe a hundred times.
983
00:52:02,185 --> 00:52:04,453
It's one of the most
foreign places
984
00:52:04,455 --> 00:52:07,022
That you can really
imagine on earth.
985
00:52:07,024 --> 00:52:08,524
Every trip that
I've gone there,
986
00:52:08,526 --> 00:52:11,460
It's also a different
kind of a mood.
987
00:52:18,135 --> 00:52:20,035
Three, two, one.
988
00:52:20,037 --> 00:52:23,873
The best news about today's
search and rescue effort is
that the weather...
989
00:52:23,875 --> 00:52:25,307
As a news guy,
990
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:28,244
This was a story that
was equally frustrating.
991
00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:32,181
Some of them just start off bad
and they get worse.
992
00:52:34,751 --> 00:52:37,052
The way I understand sammy's
disappearance is that he was
993
00:52:37,054 --> 00:52:39,155
Visiting crater lake
with his dad.
994
00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:43,726
Staying at
diamond lake resort.
995
00:52:45,228 --> 00:52:48,697
He's got some
developmental problems.
996
00:52:48,699 --> 00:52:49,832
Maybe some, uh...
997
00:52:50,967 --> 00:52:53,869
Some form of
autism on a scale.
998
00:52:53,871 --> 00:52:55,671
While he is at crater lake,
999
00:52:55,673 --> 00:53:00,576
They are near what's called
the cleetwood cove overlook.
1000
00:53:00,578 --> 00:53:04,346
They got about quarter mile
to the east
1001
00:53:04,348 --> 00:53:06,115
Of cleetwood cove trail.
1002
00:53:06,117 --> 00:53:09,718
And they parked, and he
kind of went running off.
1003
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,022
At some point
sammy crosses the road,
and he's up this
1004
00:53:13,024 --> 00:53:17,092
A scree hill of kind of
some rock cutout where
the road is there.
1005
00:53:17,094 --> 00:53:18,661
And there was
a cyclist riding by
1006
00:53:18,663 --> 00:53:20,796
That had stopped to
take a photo.
1007
00:53:20,798 --> 00:53:22,264
And sammy was getting ready,
1008
00:53:22,266 --> 00:53:24,800
Or looked like he was gonna
throw a rock at the cyclist,
1009
00:53:24,802 --> 00:53:26,468
And the cyclist cautioned him.
1010
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:29,138
And dad was yelling for
sammy to come back.
1011
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:33,075
And whether sammy was
just being a boy,
1012
00:53:33,077 --> 00:53:37,846
Or if there was something to
do with his condition also...
1013
00:53:37,848 --> 00:53:40,015
He ran the other direction.
1014
00:53:40,017 --> 00:53:42,117
His dad ran up the hill
after him,
1015
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:43,919
And he had vanished.
1016
00:53:52,529 --> 00:53:55,264
It gets very, very cold
at crater lake
1017
00:53:55,266 --> 00:53:56,665
This time of the year.
1018
00:53:56,667 --> 00:53:59,435
I mean, it easily gets down
below freezing at night.
1019
00:53:59,437 --> 00:54:04,306
And so, time was really
of the essence.
1020
00:54:04,308 --> 00:54:07,610
So, beginning at about
six o'clock, Saturday night,
1021
00:54:07,612 --> 00:54:11,480
We started putting
searchers into the field.
1022
00:54:12,716 --> 00:54:17,219
That first night we had up to
about 25 searchers.
1023
00:54:17,221 --> 00:54:21,390
A combination
of foot searchers,
1024
00:54:21,392 --> 00:54:24,393
Search dogs
and tracking teams.
1025
00:54:24,395 --> 00:54:26,528
That's what we're basing
this entire search on.
1026
00:54:26,530 --> 00:54:30,833
We're searching for a live
sammy boehlke.
1027
00:54:30,835 --> 00:54:35,271
Perhaps burrowed in
under some thick vegetation,
1028
00:54:35,273 --> 00:54:36,939
Or from a rock overhang.
1029
00:54:39,009 --> 00:54:43,779
We were really involved the next
day after sammy went missing.
1030
00:54:43,781 --> 00:54:46,615
I remember it being
a difficult search
because of weather.
1031
00:54:46,617 --> 00:54:50,252
Two feet of snow came in
the next day.
1032
00:54:50,254 --> 00:54:54,590
And the park, I think, was
overwhelmed with
1033
00:54:54,592 --> 00:54:56,492
The people
starting to come in.
1034
00:54:56,494 --> 00:54:57,893
They set up staging area,
1035
00:54:57,895 --> 00:55:00,262
And now they've got all
of this assistance coming
1036
00:55:00,264 --> 00:55:01,964
To try to help and look.
1037
00:55:02,832 --> 00:55:05,834
we did a limited
helicopter search
1038
00:55:05,836 --> 00:55:07,469
On Saturday morning.
1039
00:55:07,471 --> 00:55:11,040
And unfortunately, the weather
has been conspiring against us.
1040
00:55:11,042 --> 00:55:14,476
And after about
six short passes
1041
00:55:14,478 --> 00:55:17,479
Over the search area,
the weather socked in,
1042
00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:20,416
The clouds came in,
the rains started.
1043
00:55:20,418 --> 00:55:23,018
And we weren't able to
fly anymore that day.
1044
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:25,621
I believe the number
that comes to mind
1045
00:55:25,623 --> 00:55:27,890
Was they had 174 people
up there
1046
00:55:27,892 --> 00:55:30,059
From different search
and rescue agencies.
1047
00:55:30,061 --> 00:55:34,330
That included search
and rescue units from
neighboring counties.
1048
00:55:34,332 --> 00:55:37,066
Helicopters, search dogs...
1049
00:55:39,469 --> 00:55:42,171
The term we use
is "last seen point",
1050
00:55:42,173 --> 00:55:44,239
And that's our reference spot
1051
00:55:44,241 --> 00:55:47,076
Usually from where we start
our search.
1052
00:55:47,078 --> 00:55:49,678
Well, this is the area where
1053
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,915
Sammy was last seen
on Saturday.
1054
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:56,085
The ridge behind me
1055
00:55:57,687 --> 00:56:00,255
With the kind of dirt slope
at the top of that ridge
1056
00:56:00,257 --> 00:56:04,593
Was where sammy was
last seen by his father.
1057
00:56:11,101 --> 00:56:14,269
It appears that
a national park is
within a county,
1058
00:56:14,271 --> 00:56:17,473
It really is its very own
sovereign place.
1059
00:56:17,475 --> 00:56:20,309
And so,
we received a phone call
1060
00:56:20,311 --> 00:56:22,644
That there was
a missing child there.
1061
00:56:22,646 --> 00:56:27,683
And we were very anxious
to send searchers.
1062
00:56:27,685 --> 00:56:30,753
We were wanting to send
investigators.
1063
00:56:30,755 --> 00:56:34,723
And the parks often used
their own staff,
1064
00:56:34,725 --> 00:56:36,859
Uh, initially.
1065
00:56:38,628 --> 00:56:41,597
They are sometimes
an island unto themselves
1066
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,566
That it's somewhat
exclusive jurisdiction.
1067
00:56:47,504 --> 00:56:50,939
We are over 400 national
parks in the United States,
1068
00:56:50,941 --> 00:56:54,410
Which is something that
we're very proud of.
1069
00:56:58,381 --> 00:57:02,885
The national park service
is a unit within
the department of the interior.
1070
00:57:02,887 --> 00:57:06,255
And within
the national park service,
1071
00:57:06,257 --> 00:57:07,823
There's a director
of the national parks,
1072
00:57:07,825 --> 00:57:10,192
And the headquarter is
in washington do.
1073
00:57:10,194 --> 00:57:13,328
And then there are regions
throughout the United States
1074
00:57:13,330 --> 00:57:16,098
Where they have
responsibility over
1075
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:17,533
A certain number
of the parks.
1076
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,375
I don't recall.
I would have...
1077
00:57:26,377 --> 00:57:28,644
I would have
regular briefings
1078
00:57:28,646 --> 00:57:30,512
On different things
that were going on.
1079
00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:34,516
There were significant
national crisis
1080
00:57:34,518 --> 00:57:37,352
Where the secretary of interior
should know.
1081
00:57:37,354 --> 00:57:39,888
There's a whole agency
of 23,000 people
1082
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:42,357
That were more involved in
the day to day activity
1083
00:57:42,359 --> 00:57:43,859
Of any given person,
1084
00:57:43,861 --> 00:57:46,528
Any given incident,
or any given park.
1085
00:57:48,998 --> 00:57:52,334
As somebody who's been
an avidly outdoor person
1086
00:57:52,336 --> 00:57:53,836
All my life,
1087
00:57:53,838 --> 00:57:56,872
It just is unthinkable to me
that there's no accountability
1088
00:57:56,874 --> 00:57:57,940
From our government,
1089
00:57:57,942 --> 00:57:59,708
When it's easy
to be accountable,
1090
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:01,777
Especially in this
day and age of technology.
1091
00:58:07,517 --> 00:58:09,218
Sometimes records
are kept,
1092
00:58:09,220 --> 00:58:11,620
And sometimes records
are not kept.
1093
00:58:11,622 --> 00:58:14,656
There's no requirement for
the federal government to
1094
00:58:14,658 --> 00:58:16,658
Keep records of people
who go missing
1095
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:18,160
On federal lands.
1096
00:58:21,498 --> 00:58:22,898
thank you.
1097
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:24,333
In today's day and age,
1098
00:58:24,335 --> 00:58:27,703
We should be collecting
as much information
as we can,
1099
00:58:27,705 --> 00:58:30,706
And putting it in a database
that's open,
1100
00:58:30,708 --> 00:58:33,675
That's not guarded
by anyone.
1101
00:58:33,677 --> 00:58:37,713
If we want to help find
the next lost person,
1102
00:58:37,715 --> 00:58:41,783
We can learn a lot by what
went right
in that previous search,
1103
00:58:41,785 --> 00:58:43,552
What went wrong
in that previous search.
1104
00:58:43,554 --> 00:58:44,953
What would they have
done differently.
1105
00:58:44,955 --> 00:58:47,556
A good record keeping
of a search,
1106
00:58:47,558 --> 00:58:49,291
Whether it was successful
or not,
1107
00:58:49,293 --> 00:58:50,959
Needs to be on hand,
1108
00:58:50,961 --> 00:58:53,662
So that the next time
we go there,
1109
00:58:53,664 --> 00:58:57,432
The search leader can make
informed decisions
1110
00:58:57,434 --> 00:59:00,002
And use resources very wisely.
1111
00:59:00,004 --> 00:59:01,937
In the work I do
with missing airplanes,
1112
00:59:01,939 --> 00:59:04,873
We're always trying to look
at that missing airplane list.
1113
00:59:05,942 --> 00:59:07,876
When I was sheriff
of klamath county,
1114
00:59:07,878 --> 00:59:11,179
I could get my hands on
a list of missing people
1115
00:59:11,181 --> 00:59:13,048
In a matter of minutes.
1116
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:15,984
If you have areas that
you don't even know there's
missing people.
1117
00:59:15,986 --> 00:59:19,388
If you have
specific jurisdictions
1118
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:20,789
That don't have that data,
1119
00:59:20,791 --> 00:59:25,394
It makes it really difficult
going back to re-investigate
1120
00:59:25,396 --> 00:59:27,062
When more information comes.
1121
00:59:27,597 --> 00:59:29,831
The reality is that if...
1122
00:59:31,034 --> 00:59:33,602
Say, park authorities
were open about
1123
00:59:33,604 --> 00:59:36,038
How many people are missing,
1124
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,141
From national parks and
public parks
and wilderness areas,
1125
00:59:39,143 --> 00:59:43,679
Then those of us who are
going to shove our fear
and still go out there,
1126
00:59:43,681 --> 00:59:46,014
We can go out
better protected.
1127
00:59:46,016 --> 00:59:47,716
That's what I think
authorities should do.
1128
00:59:47,718 --> 00:59:50,018
I think they should come clean
and say, "here's all
the information."
1129
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:50,953
Now you know.
1130
00:59:50,955 --> 00:59:52,120
We don't know what's going on,
1131
00:59:52,122 --> 00:59:54,122
But at least you should
protect yourself.
1132
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:06,735
It's obviously
an unsolved mystery.
1133
01:00:06,737 --> 01:00:09,504
Um, it's one of those
things that...
1134
01:00:09,506 --> 01:00:11,573
You kind of carry it
in the back of your mind
1135
01:00:11,575 --> 01:00:13,809
Every time that you go and
visit crater lake.
1136
01:00:13,811 --> 01:00:15,444
I mean,
it's a tourist destination.
1137
01:00:15,446 --> 01:00:17,012
It's a happy place to be.
1138
01:00:17,014 --> 01:00:19,414
But you go up there and
you do think
1139
01:00:19,416 --> 01:00:22,918
It's a beautiful place,
but it's not without tragedy.
1140
01:00:23,953 --> 01:00:26,722
The strongest theory?
While, there's many...
1141
01:00:26,724 --> 01:00:31,560
The strongest theory is that
he was in those woods somehow,
1142
01:00:31,562 --> 01:00:34,296
And he likely,
in my opinion,
1143
01:00:34,298 --> 01:00:35,697
Got covered up by snow,
1144
01:00:35,699 --> 01:00:39,801
And then, maybe became
victim of an animal later on.
1145
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:44,840
I believe that when
a child goes missing,
1146
01:00:44,842 --> 01:00:49,044
That you throw every resource
you have at it initially.
1147
01:00:49,046 --> 01:00:52,748
And I would have liked to
have seen that happen
1148
01:00:52,750 --> 01:00:54,783
With sammy that night.
1149
01:01:01,357 --> 01:01:03,158
It is the end of month one,
1150
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,528
And the search for
two-year-old deorr kunz jr.
Continues.
1151
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:08,997
Many believe deorr isn't
on that mountain.
1152
01:01:08,999 --> 01:01:11,333
Search and rescue
and all the townspeople,
1153
01:01:11,335 --> 01:01:12,534
Everybody went out there.
1154
01:01:12,536 --> 01:01:13,969
Everybody went out there.
1155
01:01:13,971 --> 01:01:16,405
There's been a lot of people
up there looking. A lot.
1156
01:01:16,407 --> 01:01:17,673
A lot of people.
1157
01:01:17,675 --> 01:01:19,808
Even after
the search was done,
1158
01:01:19,810 --> 01:01:21,043
There's been people.
1159
01:01:21,045 --> 01:01:23,311
I think he would
have been found
if he was...
1160
01:01:23,313 --> 01:01:25,380
Don't you?
1161
01:01:25,382 --> 01:01:29,051
Several people have mentioned
other people that live
in lemhi county.
1162
01:01:29,053 --> 01:01:31,319
There's a woman that runs
a restaurant there.
1163
01:01:31,321 --> 01:01:34,022
Some people have said that
she may have been involved.
1164
01:01:34,024 --> 01:01:36,591
The mother and father
knew that the baby was dead,
1165
01:01:36,593 --> 01:01:38,326
So they said,
"please help us."
1166
01:01:38,328 --> 01:01:41,129
They paid her $1,000
to dispose of the body.
1167
01:01:41,131 --> 01:01:42,564
Police have cleared her.
1168
01:01:42,566 --> 01:01:44,800
There's... I mean, there's
so many theories out there.
1169
01:01:44,802 --> 01:01:46,201
People, you know, owe...
1170
01:01:46,203 --> 01:01:48,303
You know, the parents did
something to him.
1171
01:01:48,305 --> 01:01:49,771
Or it was an accident.
1172
01:01:49,773 --> 01:01:51,673
They said the boy was up there
to use that as a ruse
1173
01:01:51,675 --> 01:01:53,842
To say that he's missing.
1174
01:01:53,844 --> 01:01:55,544
But he was never up there
to begin with.
1175
01:01:55,546 --> 01:01:56,778
Oh, he was there.
1176
01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:59,781
I've seen him trying to play
in the campfire.
1177
01:01:59,783 --> 01:02:01,650
He was playing with his dad.
1178
01:02:01,652 --> 01:02:05,220
Several people have said
there's sex offenders
that live in town,
1179
01:02:05,222 --> 01:02:07,522
And that maybe they knew this
little boy was up there,
1180
01:02:07,524 --> 01:02:10,926
So they concocted this plan
to go up there and take him.
1181
01:02:10,928 --> 01:02:14,863
We're thinking more like
somebody kidnapped him.
1182
01:02:14,865 --> 01:02:16,698
They'd followed him back
to the door
1183
01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:20,168
And caught me when
I wasn't looking
and snatched him.
1184
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:23,772
I've heard everything from
"big foot took deorr,"
1185
01:02:23,774 --> 01:02:25,273
To maybe a trucker
picked him up.
1186
01:02:25,275 --> 01:02:28,477
To maybe he's a child
sex slave in canada.
1187
01:02:29,879 --> 01:02:32,214
A lot of facebook groups
have been set up
1188
01:02:32,216 --> 01:02:35,951
Where any time, any sort
of update on deorr is out,
1189
01:02:35,953 --> 01:02:39,387
They'll post the link and
a hundred people will comment.
1190
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:45,160
There's probably
a dozen different
1191
01:02:45,162 --> 01:02:47,462
Facebook pages out there
that people have started.
1192
01:02:47,464 --> 01:02:51,299
And there's a lot of it
that's positive support
for the family,
1193
01:02:51,301 --> 01:02:54,402
But there's a lot of it
that's just condemning.
1194
01:02:54,404 --> 01:02:57,973
Called them murderers,
said they're
neglectful parents.
1195
01:02:57,975 --> 01:03:00,075
That they should never
have kids.
1196
01:03:01,911 --> 01:03:04,746
Social media has its upside,
1197
01:03:04,748 --> 01:03:06,782
But terrible downside, as well.
1198
01:03:06,784 --> 01:03:09,985
People jumping to conclusions,
spreading rumors.
1199
01:03:09,987 --> 01:03:13,922
And that just complicates
the grief so much more.
1200
01:03:13,924 --> 01:03:16,158
The parents are having
to defend themselves
1201
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,927
At the same time as
they're trying to grieve,
1202
01:03:18,929 --> 01:03:22,998
And trying to wrap their
arms around the fact
that their child is missing.
1203
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,333
The family's been
accused of drug use,
1204
01:03:25,335 --> 01:03:28,436
And of sleeping with
certain people.
1205
01:03:28,438 --> 01:03:31,973
Everything from their looks,
to their demeanor,
1206
01:03:31,975 --> 01:03:33,642
To how they speak.
1207
01:03:33,644 --> 01:03:36,545
In fact,
I even told them,
stay off social media.
1208
01:03:36,547 --> 01:03:38,580
I said, you want
the broadcast media,
1209
01:03:38,582 --> 01:03:40,849
The print media to
be on your side.
1210
01:03:40,851 --> 01:03:42,717
Whatever comes out,
1211
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,287
The social media
may misinterpret that
1212
01:03:45,289 --> 01:03:47,255
And say some things that
are cruel or not true.
1213
01:03:47,257 --> 01:03:48,723
But don't even pay
attention to them.
1214
01:03:48,725 --> 01:03:52,060
And it may be that people have
become fixated with this case,
1215
01:03:52,062 --> 01:03:54,095
And they're craving something.
1216
01:03:54,097 --> 01:03:56,331
They want some sort of
nugget of news,
1217
01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:57,399
Or new information.
1218
01:03:57,401 --> 01:04:00,035
And when they don't get that,
they speculate.
1219
01:04:00,037 --> 01:04:03,104
And then it spreads,
and you can't control it.
1220
01:04:33,636 --> 01:04:35,637
Every time somebody
would come around
1221
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,405
Who was part of the media,
1222
01:04:37,407 --> 01:04:40,408
They would say,
"what blank blank
are they doing here?
1223
01:04:40,977 --> 01:04:42,477
Why are they here?"
1224
01:04:42,479 --> 01:04:45,513
And that bothered me as to
why would they
not want coverage.
1225
01:04:45,515 --> 01:04:48,116
I knew that they were offered
nancy grace for an hour.
1226
01:04:48,118 --> 01:04:50,051
good morning america
called them,
1227
01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:51,920
And they wouldn't go.
1228
01:04:51,922 --> 01:04:54,322
It can only help.
It can't hurt.
1229
01:04:55,358 --> 01:04:57,158
And at this point,
1230
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,129
Having his face plastered
everywhere is how
we're gonna find him.
1231
01:05:01,131 --> 01:05:02,998
You know, every time somebody
goes to walmart,
1232
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,467
Wherever they're at,
or get out of their car,
1233
01:05:05,469 --> 01:05:08,303
I want deorr's face to
be in their mind.
1234
01:05:19,348 --> 01:05:22,484
I'm not aware of any manual
of how you're supposed to act
1235
01:05:22,486 --> 01:05:24,386
If your child goes missing.
1236
01:05:24,388 --> 01:05:27,188
You know, so, um...
1237
01:05:28,691 --> 01:05:32,060
It's extremely stressful
for them.
1238
01:05:32,062 --> 01:05:34,462
And then, when you
have people,
1239
01:05:35,698 --> 01:05:38,266
You know, trying to
make assumptions
1240
01:05:38,268 --> 01:05:41,770
And judgments without
a lot of information,
1241
01:05:41,772 --> 01:05:43,505
It's gotta be very difficult.
1242
01:05:48,411 --> 01:05:50,011
Hi, this is jessica.
1243
01:05:50,013 --> 01:05:51,813
Leave me a message and
I'll get right back to you.
1244
01:05:54,917 --> 01:05:56,851
I asked deorr why she was
freaking out on me
1245
01:05:56,853 --> 01:05:58,253
When you told me it was okay.
1246
01:05:58,255 --> 01:06:00,689
He says, "I told jess and
she doesn't like the idea."
1247
01:06:02,725 --> 01:06:04,759
this is the strangest
case that I've worked.
1248
01:06:04,761 --> 01:06:08,396
Everybody else,
they plead for
television coverage.
1249
01:06:08,398 --> 01:06:11,132
They plead for radio coverage,
newspaper coverage.
1250
01:06:11,134 --> 01:06:12,300
They plead for this.
1251
01:06:12,302 --> 01:06:13,768
That's what's so strange.
1252
01:06:13,770 --> 01:06:15,637
Why are they acting this way?
1253
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:17,172
Are they
concealing something?
1254
01:06:17,174 --> 01:06:19,607
It-- it doesn't matter.
1255
01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:21,543
It doesn't matter who thinks
you're a murderer.
1256
01:06:21,545 --> 01:06:24,479
It doesn't matter who thinks
you did what to your son.
1257
01:06:24,481 --> 01:06:27,315
It matters that we need
to find your son.
1258
01:06:32,555 --> 01:06:35,457
Basically I notified
them in writing
1259
01:06:35,459 --> 01:06:38,159
That because they didn't
want to cooperate with
1260
01:06:38,161 --> 01:06:41,062
The broadcast media
or print media
1261
01:06:41,064 --> 01:06:42,964
That I was gonna
back out of the case
1262
01:06:42,966 --> 01:06:46,334
And I withdrew my $20,000
offer of a reward.
1263
01:06:47,136 --> 01:06:49,571
One of them
didn't really care.
1264
01:06:49,573 --> 01:06:53,074
The other one said,
"thanks for giving up
on our son."
1265
01:06:53,709 --> 01:06:55,643
Brantley. Brantley.
1266
01:06:56,245 --> 01:06:58,046
- Come here.
- Go see mom.
1267
01:06:59,015 --> 01:07:01,182
Oh! I have that boy.
1268
01:07:04,086 --> 01:07:05,820
What did you buy mommy?
1269
01:07:05,822 --> 01:07:07,455
What are you
watching on youtube?
1270
01:07:08,557 --> 01:07:09,958
She's not a people person.
1271
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,227
She's like... Oh, look.
1272
01:07:12,229 --> 01:07:14,596
Yeah?
Are you gonna tell them, mm?
1273
01:07:16,399 --> 01:07:18,133
Anything for you.
1274
01:07:19,935 --> 01:07:22,670
Like I said... They just...
They...
1275
01:07:23,372 --> 01:07:24,439
I don't know.
1276
01:07:24,441 --> 01:07:26,775
I think they cope
with it different,
1277
01:07:26,777 --> 01:07:28,076
And maybe they have
different ideas
1278
01:07:28,078 --> 01:07:30,645
Of what is a good idea to help
find their son.
1279
01:07:33,382 --> 01:07:36,084
--Is that them?
1280
01:07:37,853 --> 01:07:39,354
That's deorr.
1281
01:07:47,063 --> 01:07:48,563
What the
is going on?
1282
01:07:53,169 --> 01:07:54,536
Dude, I called...
1283
01:07:54,538 --> 01:07:57,205
you didn't do
anything, I know.
1284
01:07:57,706 --> 01:07:58,840
You're fine.
1285
01:07:58,842 --> 01:08:01,443
- I just wanted to help.
- you're fine.
1286
01:08:01,445 --> 01:08:02,811
She's just
going through shit.
1287
01:09:08,344 --> 01:09:10,578
I'm edna,
keith's mother.
1288
01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:14,983
I was visiting my parents
in ritter, oregon,
1289
01:09:14,985 --> 01:09:19,154
And it was easter time,
easter came early that year.
1290
01:09:19,156 --> 01:09:21,356
So there was snow
on the grounds.
1291
01:09:21,358 --> 01:09:23,525
Patches of snow
on the ground.
1292
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,061
It was a cattle,
cattle area.
1293
01:09:27,063 --> 01:09:30,532
And my parents
were ranchers.
1294
01:09:30,534 --> 01:09:33,635
And the neighbors were
pretty much also.
1295
01:09:37,239 --> 01:09:40,241
He was a happy child,
a very happy child.
1296
01:09:44,213 --> 01:09:47,715
He and his older brothers
had gone to the barn
1297
01:09:47,717 --> 01:09:49,350
To see a new calf.
1298
01:09:50,786 --> 01:09:52,320
And it was lunch time.
1299
01:09:52,322 --> 01:09:55,757
And so I called the boys
and the older two came,
1300
01:09:55,759 --> 01:09:57,659
And keith didn't.
1301
01:09:59,028 --> 01:10:00,662
And so I said,
"where's your brother?"
1302
01:10:00,664 --> 01:10:02,463
He said, "oh, he went
around the barn."
1303
01:10:02,465 --> 01:10:05,800
And so, we went to find him,
1304
01:10:06,669 --> 01:10:08,203
And he wasn't there.
1305
01:10:10,773 --> 01:10:13,641
We were able to start a search
immediately for him.
1306
01:10:13,643 --> 01:10:16,945
It was long before search
and rescue was organized
1307
01:10:16,947 --> 01:10:17,912
Like it is today,
1308
01:10:17,914 --> 01:10:23,284
And so they went
within speaking distance
of each other
1309
01:10:23,286 --> 01:10:26,221
So that they were
able to communicate.
1310
01:10:26,223 --> 01:10:27,889
Everyone was just marvelous.
1311
01:10:27,891 --> 01:10:30,725
We felt that there was
about 200 people there.
1312
01:10:32,228 --> 01:10:34,762
And they searched through
the night.
1313
01:10:39,835 --> 01:10:41,369
I didn't know until much later
1314
01:10:41,371 --> 01:10:44,072
That he had gone through
this herd of cattle.
1315
01:10:44,074 --> 01:10:45,873
But they
found his footprints.
1316
01:10:53,282 --> 01:10:54,515
even as the crow flies,
1317
01:10:54,517 --> 01:10:56,251
His journey from his house
1318
01:10:56,253 --> 01:10:58,086
To where his tracks
were found,
1319
01:10:58,088 --> 01:10:59,854
Is three miles.
1320
01:10:59,856 --> 01:11:03,691
And then, his body is found
way over here.
1321
01:11:04,026 --> 01:11:05,960
Five miles away.
1322
01:11:05,962 --> 01:11:07,362
Eight miles in total.
1323
01:11:08,464 --> 01:11:10,131
He was stiff, too.
1324
01:11:10,133 --> 01:11:12,567
His little body
couldn't move.
1325
01:11:12,569 --> 01:11:16,004
He was found face down
in the snow, and...
1326
01:11:16,006 --> 01:11:19,474
His little face was scratched
pretty bad when we found him.
1327
01:11:22,378 --> 01:11:25,179
It was at lunch time
when he had disappeared.
1328
01:11:25,181 --> 01:11:28,216
And it was about
seven o'clock the next morning
1329
01:11:28,218 --> 01:11:29,684
When he was found.
1330
01:11:33,589 --> 01:11:36,057
eight miles.
That's as the crow flies.
1331
01:11:36,059 --> 01:11:39,594
It's impossible to walk
out here as a crow would fly.
1332
01:11:40,596 --> 01:11:43,264
In a span of
less than 24 hours,
1333
01:11:43,266 --> 01:11:45,500
You'd have to believe that
this two-year-old
1334
01:11:45,502 --> 01:11:48,069
Covered perhaps as many
as twelve miles.
1335
01:11:53,576 --> 01:11:55,243
As it was...
1336
01:11:55,245 --> 01:11:58,079
His clothing was found ripped,
1337
01:11:59,248 --> 01:12:02,517
And we figure it's likely
from barbwire fences.
1338
01:12:02,519 --> 01:12:04,819
Either going through them
or under them.
1339
01:12:13,195 --> 01:12:16,364
And even with
a full moon tonight,
1340
01:12:16,366 --> 01:12:19,500
I can't see anything
going through this bush.
1341
01:12:19,502 --> 01:12:21,769
So if I'm
a two-year-old child,
1342
01:12:21,771 --> 01:12:24,572
And I've got to walk
through this,
or crawl through this,
1343
01:12:24,574 --> 01:12:26,040
I get to this time of night...
1344
01:12:27,076 --> 01:12:29,277
I can't see keith
going anywhere.
1345
01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:30,812
I can't go anywhere.
1346
01:12:32,281 --> 01:12:35,683
How a two-year-old
could travel
1347
01:12:35,685 --> 01:12:38,720
The topography
I'm traveling now...
1348
01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:44,625
Little shoes and it was
freezing temperatures.
1349
01:12:44,627 --> 01:12:46,761
Even if he was a kid
full of energy.
1350
01:12:53,302 --> 01:12:56,604
This is roughly the area
the searchers found him.
1351
01:12:56,606 --> 01:13:00,908
His father was about
100 yards that way.
1352
01:13:02,511 --> 01:13:04,112
And he's found here.
1353
01:13:04,813 --> 01:13:06,381
Face down in the snow.
1354
01:13:06,383 --> 01:13:08,816
Hat and coat beside him.
1355
01:13:08,818 --> 01:13:11,853
Searcher finds him.
Father one,
maybe 200 yards away.
1356
01:13:11,855 --> 01:13:14,155
Runs over, picks him up,
1357
01:13:15,190 --> 01:13:16,591
And he's alive.
1358
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:31,239
Over the years,
in the ritter area,
1359
01:13:31,241 --> 01:13:32,740
When we'd go visit there,
1360
01:13:32,742 --> 01:13:34,375
Someone would
come visit and say,
1361
01:13:34,377 --> 01:13:37,145
"oh, yeah. I remember
we looked for you.
1362
01:13:37,147 --> 01:13:38,679
Thank goodness
you were found."
1363
01:13:38,681 --> 01:13:40,948
And I'd say, "oh, that's great
and thank you for looking."
1364
01:13:45,654 --> 01:13:48,356
This is the cap that I wore.
1365
01:13:48,358 --> 01:13:51,626
It's got little
earmuffs on 'em.
1366
01:13:51,628 --> 01:13:54,295
This is my little cap.
1367
01:13:54,297 --> 01:13:57,231
And this here's
one of my shoes
1368
01:13:57,233 --> 01:14:00,468
That I had on.
1369
01:14:00,470 --> 01:14:03,738
This is my jacket that
I was carrying with me.
1370
01:14:03,740 --> 01:14:05,706
I took it off for
whatever reason,
1371
01:14:05,708 --> 01:14:10,745
And I was carrying my cap
in my coat, in my hand,
1372
01:14:10,747 --> 01:14:15,383
I had alongside me as I was
laying prone on the ground.
1373
01:14:15,385 --> 01:14:17,819
I had that in my hand.
1374
01:14:17,821 --> 01:14:21,088
This here is my shirt
that I had.
1375
01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:28,095
And then, as you can see,
on my bib overalls,
1376
01:14:28,097 --> 01:14:30,298
You can see the tears
1377
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:32,800
On them where I caught it
in the fence,
1378
01:14:32,802 --> 01:14:34,802
Trying to go through
the fence and stuff.
1379
01:14:35,537 --> 01:14:38,239
And it tore the...
1380
01:14:38,241 --> 01:14:40,508
And caught the...
I got a tear in the back
1381
01:14:40,510 --> 01:14:42,143
Where the barbwires
caught it.
1382
01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:44,045
And, uh...
1383
01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:45,980
Tore it.
1384
01:14:46,949 --> 01:14:49,584
Those are the clothes
my mom kept
1385
01:14:50,252 --> 01:14:52,220
For all these years.
1386
01:14:56,725 --> 01:14:58,593
We just
never gave up hope.
1387
01:14:58,595 --> 01:15:02,497
And he was found.
1388
01:15:04,233 --> 01:15:08,169
Although he'd suffered
frostbite on his hands
and feet,
1389
01:15:08,171 --> 01:15:11,506
We were just fortunate that
he was found when he was.
1390
01:15:15,644 --> 01:15:17,678
We never made a big issue
of him being lost,
1391
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,815
Because we didn't want
to frighten him,
1392
01:15:20,817 --> 01:15:22,583
And to make him
afraid of dark,
1393
01:15:22,585 --> 01:15:24,385
Or to be frightened.
1394
01:15:24,387 --> 01:15:26,187
I felt he'd gone through that.
1395
01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:30,625
No nightmares
about it at all.
1396
01:15:30,627 --> 01:15:34,095
I don't recall at all
anything about it.
1397
01:15:34,097 --> 01:15:36,731
They asked me what happened
and I told them I didn't know.
1398
01:15:36,733 --> 01:15:38,666
I didn't know what happened
and they asked me.
1399
01:15:38,668 --> 01:15:43,671
I had quite a few
scratches on my face
and hands.
1400
01:15:43,673 --> 01:15:47,341
Someone asked me how
I got those and I told them
the cat had scratched me.
1401
01:15:47,343 --> 01:15:49,644
So, I had no recollection
1402
01:15:49,646 --> 01:15:52,179
Of what had happened to me.
1403
01:15:54,850 --> 01:15:59,020
It's the kind of baffling case
that has you sit back and go,
1404
01:15:59,022 --> 01:16:01,188
Nothing that I can
put my finger on
1405
01:16:01,190 --> 01:16:03,691
In a normal
set of circumstances
in the wilderness
1406
01:16:03,693 --> 01:16:05,793
Makes any sense
to this case whatsoever.
1407
01:16:05,795 --> 01:16:08,195
It's something other.
1408
01:16:19,074 --> 01:16:20,541
Very quiet now.
1409
01:16:20,543 --> 01:16:25,746
You get all kinds of little
motor noises coming
out of there from him,
1410
01:16:25,748 --> 01:16:28,282
And he's just
with his cars.
1411
01:16:28,284 --> 01:16:29,884
It's very quiet.
1412
01:16:29,886 --> 01:16:32,587
usually you're
stepping on hot wheels,
1413
01:16:33,121 --> 01:16:34,789
Or legos, or something.
1414
01:16:34,791 --> 01:16:36,457
the whole house
is the same way.
1415
01:16:36,459 --> 01:16:37,925
The whole house
is very quiet now.
1416
01:16:37,927 --> 01:16:41,028
It's just...
It's not anywhere at home.
1417
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:43,998
You go with it day by day
hoping you can
get your life back.
1418
01:16:44,633 --> 01:16:46,767
Hoping he's okay, because
1419
01:16:47,235 --> 01:16:48,603
This ain't it.
1420
01:16:49,538 --> 01:16:51,072
This sucks.
1421
01:17:01,416 --> 01:17:03,217
little man.
1422
01:17:09,391 --> 01:17:12,793
Everyday I was happy,
because I got to spend it
with him.
1423
01:17:12,795 --> 01:17:16,130
I could go to work and
take him to work with me
1424
01:17:16,132 --> 01:17:18,165
And still have
that time with him.
1425
01:17:18,167 --> 01:17:20,301
And then, we'd come home
and make dinner
1426
01:17:20,303 --> 01:17:22,803
And give him his bath,
1427
01:17:22,805 --> 01:17:24,438
And put jammies on,
1428
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:26,340
And watch a little tv
and play,
1429
01:17:26,342 --> 01:17:29,510
And then read him a story
or sing him a song
1430
01:17:29,512 --> 01:17:30,978
To put him to sleep,
1431
01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:32,780
And give him about
ten million hugs
1432
01:17:32,782 --> 01:17:35,449
Before I could
leave the room.
1433
01:17:35,451 --> 01:17:39,053
And I miss those days.
1434
01:17:41,023 --> 01:17:42,023
A lot.
1435
01:17:50,499 --> 01:17:53,367
Um, what was it?
1436
01:17:53,369 --> 01:17:54,869
- About a month?
- Three...
1437
01:17:54,871 --> 01:17:56,203
Yeah, it was like a month.
1438
01:17:56,205 --> 01:17:58,406
Three weeks to a month
after he went missing.
1439
01:17:58,408 --> 01:18:00,307
Is when they brought
the fbi in.
1440
01:18:00,309 --> 01:18:03,210
The fbi originally called
lemhi county and said,
1441
01:18:03,212 --> 01:18:04,679
"we heard about this case."
1442
01:18:04,681 --> 01:18:06,580
Do you guys need
any assistance?
1443
01:18:06,582 --> 01:18:08,049
"We'll help you out."
1444
01:18:08,051 --> 01:18:10,851
And they said,
"yeah, can you handle, like,
1445
01:18:10,853 --> 01:18:14,121
The forensic part of this?"
1446
01:18:14,123 --> 01:18:15,756
right off he showed you
inside his truck.
1447
01:18:15,758 --> 01:18:17,124
It's an old beat up truck.
1448
01:18:17,126 --> 01:18:19,794
There was still the light,
the dome light.
1449
01:18:19,796 --> 01:18:22,997
It was covered with
fbi evidence tape.
1450
01:18:22,999 --> 01:18:24,699
That's one thing they
hadn't taped down.
1451
01:18:24,701 --> 01:18:26,400
So he did let them
swab their truck.
1452
01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:30,171
We were told that a report
should come out within
six to eight weeks.
1453
01:18:30,173 --> 01:18:32,540
And we're at
the eight week mark now,
1454
01:18:32,542 --> 01:18:34,275
With still no answers.
1455
01:18:34,277 --> 01:18:38,245
They're coming up with any
sort of theory,
or any sort of hypothesis
1456
01:18:38,247 --> 01:18:40,448
As to what could have
happened with deorr kunz.
1457
01:18:40,450 --> 01:18:43,818
We want them to come back
and say we have
reason to believe
1458
01:18:43,820 --> 01:18:46,253
Because of this and this
that he was abducted.
1459
01:18:46,255 --> 01:18:47,788
So we're now...
1460
01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:51,192
We're looking at tis individual.
We're looking here...
We're doing...
1461
01:18:51,194 --> 01:18:53,094
It gives us more
of a direction to go in.
1462
01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:55,062
Some people are, like,
they're afraid of the fbi.
1463
01:18:55,064 --> 01:18:57,631
No, we are not.
I have nothing to hide.
1464
01:18:57,633 --> 01:18:59,934
I have no--
I didn't do anything wrong.
1465
01:19:03,371 --> 01:19:06,040
Bob's friend issac stayed
in his own tent.
1466
01:19:06,042 --> 01:19:07,508
Bob stayed in the camper.
1467
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:10,745
Jessica, I and little deorr
stayed in bob's suburban.
1468
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,247
I got out of the suburban
that morning
1469
01:19:13,249 --> 01:19:15,616
And they were actually...
Her and my son were
1470
01:19:15,618 --> 01:19:17,017
Already up and out.
1471
01:19:17,019 --> 01:19:19,820
And they were just
getting ready
to start breakfast.
1472
01:19:19,822 --> 01:19:23,057
So we decided, okay, well,
"bob, what's the plan?"
1473
01:19:23,059 --> 01:19:25,259
Him and issac were gonna
go fishing.
1474
01:19:25,261 --> 01:19:27,161
And I said we're gonna
go down to leadore,
1475
01:19:27,163 --> 01:19:29,096
Get a few things and
we'll come back up.
1476
01:19:29,098 --> 01:19:32,032
And he says, "well,
be back here by 1:00
if you can."
1477
01:19:33,902 --> 01:19:36,537
Got our groceries and jessica
went to the restroom.
1478
01:19:36,539 --> 01:19:38,639
I loaded little deorr in
the truck with the groceries,
1479
01:19:38,641 --> 01:19:41,041
And she came out and
we headed back up.
1480
01:19:41,676 --> 01:19:43,878
It's 45 minutes up.
1481
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,514
And bob and issac were just
coming back into camp,
1482
01:19:46,516 --> 01:19:50,684
'cause they were fishing
down the creek right by
where we were camping.
1483
01:19:50,686 --> 01:19:53,287
And jessica got
little deorr out.
1484
01:19:57,225 --> 01:20:00,094
and we parked where
that jeep is right now.
1485
01:20:01,696 --> 01:20:04,498
My grandpa was sitting in
a chair right here.
1486
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:08,435
And we had our double chair
right about in here.
1487
01:20:10,105 --> 01:20:13,607
And I handed my grandpa
the candy that we bought him.
1488
01:20:13,609 --> 01:20:16,777
Issac and my grandpa were
talking about how they went
fishing
1489
01:20:16,779 --> 01:20:18,946
In the creek and caught fish.
1490
01:20:18,948 --> 01:20:21,816
Just down... Up in there.
1491
01:20:21,818 --> 01:20:25,619
And we decided that we were
gonna go up and
1492
01:20:25,621 --> 01:20:28,255
Look to see if there was
fish in the creek.
1493
01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:30,357
After were decided that
we're gonna go up there,
1494
01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:34,929
I asked my grandpa
if it was okay if we could
leave little man with him.
1495
01:20:34,931 --> 01:20:36,964
And he said, "yeah, he's fine."
1496
01:20:38,433 --> 01:20:40,034
He wants candy anyways."
1497
01:20:40,036 --> 01:20:42,736
And he was about ready
due for a nap, anyway,
1498
01:20:42,738 --> 01:20:44,972
And you could tell he was
getting pretty tired.
1499
01:20:44,974 --> 01:20:46,874
Se we were gonna leave
him with bob,
1500
01:20:46,876 --> 01:20:49,109
Instead of making him
walk and all that.
1501
01:20:49,111 --> 01:20:51,111
So we headed up
this road right here.
1502
01:20:51,113 --> 01:20:53,547
Right about where that
smaller tree is.
1503
01:20:53,549 --> 01:20:56,717
We stopped and noticed that
little man was following us.
1504
01:20:56,719 --> 01:20:58,752
So deorr asked him,
1505
01:20:58,754 --> 01:21:01,555
"do you wanna go with us,
or do you wanna stay with
grandpa bob?"
1506
01:21:01,557 --> 01:21:03,991
And he said, "no, yeah."
1507
01:21:03,993 --> 01:21:07,228
And turned around and started
walking back towards my grandpa.
1508
01:21:07,230 --> 01:21:11,398
So we realized he was gonna
go back to camp
with my grandpa,
1509
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:15,502
I figured he was with
my grandpa, he was fine.
1510
01:21:17,806 --> 01:21:20,207
And we walked up
to the creek,
1511
01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:23,143
"And issac said, "right here,
right here is where we
1512
01:21:23,145 --> 01:21:25,679
Were fishing
and caught fish."
1513
01:21:25,681 --> 01:21:30,084
And he turned around and
walked back towards this way.
1514
01:21:30,086 --> 01:21:33,487
Deorr and I stayed up
by the creek and kinda just
1515
01:21:33,489 --> 01:21:38,859
Looked in the water and
looked to see if we could
see any fish.
1516
01:21:38,861 --> 01:21:41,128
I started getting my
fishing gear ready,
1517
01:21:41,130 --> 01:21:44,031
'cause I figured this is kind
of a good spot to fish.
1518
01:21:44,033 --> 01:21:47,134
And there was one spot
that had minnows in it.
1519
01:21:47,136 --> 01:21:48,335
And they were
just stuck there.
1520
01:21:48,337 --> 01:21:49,937
They couldn't get out
from the low level.
1521
01:21:49,939 --> 01:21:52,473
And I thought, "god, this will
be neat for him to see."
1522
01:21:53,642 --> 01:21:54,875
Jessica stayed at the creek,
1523
01:21:54,877 --> 01:21:56,410
And I walked up the bank
1524
01:21:56,412 --> 01:21:58,879
And got back up on the bank
and went towards camp
1525
01:21:58,881 --> 01:22:00,881
And I yelled to bob
where's little deorr.
1526
01:22:00,883 --> 01:22:05,119
I could hear voices
up in the camping area.
1527
01:22:05,121 --> 01:22:06,887
And you can actually,
where I'm standing right now,
1528
01:22:06,889 --> 01:22:08,923
You can actually see
the table,
1529
01:22:08,925 --> 01:22:11,659
The picnic table that's
in our campground.
1530
01:22:11,661 --> 01:22:14,128
But I could hear deorr's voice.
1531
01:22:14,130 --> 01:22:15,896
I just couldn't make out
what he was saying.
1532
01:22:15,898 --> 01:22:17,231
I hollered to him,
"where's my son?"
1533
01:22:17,233 --> 01:22:18,866
And he says, "I don't know."
1534
01:22:18,868 --> 01:22:21,368
And I said,
"bob, where's my son?"
1535
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:24,104
And he said, "he headed up
that way towards you guys."
1536
01:22:24,106 --> 01:22:28,075
I saw somebody walking
1537
01:22:28,077 --> 01:22:30,210
In between these trees
right here.
1538
01:22:30,212 --> 01:22:32,012
Realized that it was issac,
1539
01:22:32,014 --> 01:22:33,747
With the fishing stuff
in his hand.
1540
01:22:33,749 --> 01:22:35,983
And he was walking
towards the creek.
1541
01:22:35,985 --> 01:22:37,084
And then, by that time,
1542
01:22:37,086 --> 01:22:39,053
I looked back at the creek
for a split,
1543
01:22:39,055 --> 01:22:41,689
Like, maybe ten seconds.
1544
01:22:41,691 --> 01:22:43,624
And by then,
I heard deorr yelling.
1545
01:22:43,626 --> 01:22:45,426
And I turned around
and looked
1546
01:22:45,428 --> 01:22:46,760
Straight across from me,
1547
01:22:46,762 --> 01:22:49,029
And he was right there,
saying...
1548
01:22:49,031 --> 01:22:51,165
"little man's gone.
He's not in the campground.
1549
01:22:51,167 --> 01:22:52,533
We can't find him."
1550
01:22:52,535 --> 01:22:54,501
We came up this way,
1551
01:22:54,503 --> 01:22:56,337
Asking where my grandpa...
1552
01:22:56,339 --> 01:22:59,473
Where he had gone
last time he saw him.
1553
01:22:59,475 --> 01:23:01,775
And he saw him right next to
that pine tree,
1554
01:23:01,777 --> 01:23:02,977
Kinda sitting down.
1555
01:23:02,979 --> 01:23:05,212
He said he was either
playing with the dirt,
1556
01:23:05,214 --> 01:23:07,614
Or playing with his shoes.
1557
01:23:10,385 --> 01:23:13,754
Once I knew that he
was missing, that was like,
1558
01:23:13,756 --> 01:23:15,489
What really made me panic
1559
01:23:15,491 --> 01:23:18,292
Is, like, I don't
want him to drown.
1560
01:23:18,294 --> 01:23:21,562
he's not in the camper,
he's not right in this area.
1561
01:23:21,564 --> 01:23:23,230
And she started
searching by the creek,
1562
01:23:23,232 --> 01:23:25,199
And I'm up and around.
1563
01:23:25,201 --> 01:23:28,302
We search for about
20 minutes or so.
1564
01:23:28,304 --> 01:23:29,937
And I didn't hear him.
I didn't...
1565
01:23:29,939 --> 01:23:31,538
We were panicking,
we didn't hear him.
1566
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:35,009
So we decided we needed
to call, to summon
search and rescue.
1567
01:23:36,378 --> 01:23:39,747
A lot of what happened
just doesn't make sense.
1568
01:23:39,749 --> 01:23:43,150
'Cause he would've...
I think he would've screamed,
1569
01:23:43,152 --> 01:23:45,152
Or tried to say, "mama."
1570
01:23:45,154 --> 01:23:47,988
Within the hour of him
being going missing,
1571
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:50,257
It rained and then it
got really hot.
1572
01:23:50,259 --> 01:23:53,060
So he would've taken
his jacket off.
1573
01:23:53,062 --> 01:23:56,030
And we didn't find anything.
That place was scoured.
1574
01:23:56,032 --> 01:23:59,800
The only thing that I'm sure of
is that jessica that day
was with me.
1575
01:23:59,802 --> 01:24:01,335
She was with me
and I was with her.
1576
01:24:01,337 --> 01:24:03,170
So the only thing that
I'm sure of is that
1577
01:24:03,172 --> 01:24:05,072
She had nothing to do with it,
I had nothing to do with it.
1578
01:24:05,074 --> 01:24:06,673
'Cause we were with
each other.
1579
01:24:08,109 --> 01:24:10,010
And I was searching the creek,
1580
01:24:10,012 --> 01:24:12,713
And in the water
the whole time up until
1581
01:24:12,715 --> 01:24:17,451
Ray, um, stevens got here
with search and rescue.
1582
01:24:17,453 --> 01:24:21,655
And he asked me to come up
and sit in the campground.
1583
01:24:24,459 --> 01:24:27,061
That as a parent is
one of the hardest things
1584
01:24:27,063 --> 01:24:29,363
When you have all these
professionals telling you
1585
01:24:29,365 --> 01:24:31,265
Stay at the camp, and they
have reasonings for that.
1586
01:24:31,267 --> 01:24:34,168
Because if they find...
If they found my son,
1587
01:24:34,170 --> 01:24:36,437
Then they gotta go
looking for me.
1588
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:37,504
And...
1589
01:24:37,506 --> 01:24:39,873
Or they didn't want
us to react, you know,
1590
01:24:39,875 --> 01:24:42,309
And go after somebody
that we thought
1591
01:24:42,311 --> 01:24:43,677
Had something to do with it.
1592
01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:45,312
When your child goes missing,
1593
01:24:45,314 --> 01:24:48,082
You're a number one suspect.
1594
01:24:48,084 --> 01:24:49,516
It's sad, but it's true.
1595
01:24:51,352 --> 01:24:54,188
You got grieving parents
that are already riled up,
1596
01:24:54,190 --> 01:24:55,756
And you know,
you've gone through
1597
01:24:55,758 --> 01:24:58,725
Literally the most living hell
any parent can think of.
1598
01:24:58,727 --> 01:25:01,428
And you get hooked up
to a machine and...
1599
01:25:01,430 --> 01:25:03,097
The fact is...
1600
01:25:03,099 --> 01:25:05,632
It's hard.
There was no problems,
1601
01:25:05,634 --> 01:25:07,468
But they called a...
1602
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:09,736
Something pass.
1603
01:25:10,872 --> 01:25:12,573
Inconclusive pass.
1604
01:25:12,575 --> 01:25:15,909
You're scared to death,
you're riled up, you're...
1605
01:25:15,911 --> 01:25:17,444
Scared for your child,
1606
01:25:17,446 --> 01:25:19,680
You're scared for your family.
Your...
1607
01:25:19,682 --> 01:25:21,648
Your mind's going in
a million different directions.
1608
01:25:21,650 --> 01:25:23,817
- And nothing is ever...
- Nothing makes sense.
1609
01:25:23,819 --> 01:25:26,687
But you don't get any answers
out of any of those directions
you're going in.
1610
01:25:26,689 --> 01:25:29,123
And so, you get hooked up
to a machine like that,
1611
01:25:29,125 --> 01:25:31,959
And everybody's thinks,
"hook 'em up to a polygraph."
go ahead.
1612
01:25:31,961 --> 01:25:33,327
Go right on ahead.
I have nothing to hide.
1613
01:25:33,329 --> 01:25:36,597
But just know that they're
not very useful.
1614
01:25:40,768 --> 01:25:43,670
Well, we still have
a missing child.
1615
01:25:46,407 --> 01:25:48,408
You know, I believe
he's still out there.
1616
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:50,477
We just haven't found him yet.
1617
01:25:54,048 --> 01:25:56,383
You know, everybody
wants an answer.
1618
01:25:57,418 --> 01:25:59,887
Hopefully some day we'll
come up with one.
1619
01:26:07,929 --> 01:26:09,396
Working on a documentary
1620
01:26:09,398 --> 01:26:11,965
About a little kid
that went missing
in leadore.
1621
01:26:13,969 --> 01:26:15,169
You know about the case?
1622
01:26:29,284 --> 01:26:32,085
Everything I said,
and no matter what I did,
1623
01:26:32,087 --> 01:26:34,588
You're dammed if you do,
dammed if you don't.
1624
01:26:34,590 --> 01:26:36,390
I did not want...
1625
01:26:36,392 --> 01:26:38,859
I wanted the media
to be on my son,
1626
01:26:38,861 --> 01:26:40,394
Not on me, not on jessica.
1627
01:26:40,396 --> 01:26:41,728
'Cause that doesn't
help find him.
1628
01:26:41,730 --> 01:26:44,731
Everything I would say
would be twisted.
1629
01:26:44,733 --> 01:26:45,966
Yeah, we were actually...
1630
01:26:45,968 --> 01:26:48,569
The whole reason why we haven't
been on the news a lot,
1631
01:26:48,571 --> 01:26:50,871
And doing this stuff is because
1632
01:26:50,873 --> 01:26:53,473
We're actually out there.
1633
01:26:53,475 --> 01:26:57,010
Like, I don't even know
how many times we...
1634
01:26:57,012 --> 01:26:58,478
How many hours,
how many days,
1635
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:01,448
How many weekends,
how much money,
1636
01:27:01,450 --> 01:27:04,751
Our money that we have spent
just going up there
1637
01:27:04,753 --> 01:27:09,323
But all these people
saying their hearsay stuff,
1638
01:27:09,325 --> 01:27:11,725
And saying that, you know,
there's something wrong,
1639
01:27:11,727 --> 01:27:13,560
Because we're not on the news
and this and this and this.
1640
01:27:13,562 --> 01:27:16,196
No, we're doing something
for our son.
1641
01:27:16,198 --> 01:27:19,866
You're right. I didn't wanna
spend all this time in
front of the public every day
1642
01:27:19,868 --> 01:27:21,902
And pet the pride
of everybody
1643
01:27:21,904 --> 01:27:23,403
To let them know that
I didn't do anything.
1644
01:27:23,405 --> 01:27:24,838
Because I know I
didn't do anything.
1645
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,206
I know she didn't
do anything.
1646
01:27:26,208 --> 01:27:27,975
I had one job
and I still have that job.
1647
01:27:27,977 --> 01:27:30,010
Find that little boy.
1648
01:27:30,012 --> 01:27:33,580
He knew his name was
deorr jay kunz.
1649
01:27:33,582 --> 01:27:37,618
And he knew his mama's name
was jessica mitchell.
1650
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:40,354
I just pray that if someone
does see him,
1651
01:27:40,356 --> 01:27:42,789
You know, that they ask,
"what is your name?"
1652
01:27:42,791 --> 01:27:45,826
Because I believe that he
will still be able to tell you.
1653
01:27:49,397 --> 01:27:51,098
When individuals
aren't found
1654
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:52,833
On a search and rescue,
1655
01:27:52,835 --> 01:27:55,235
I can tell you that
1656
01:27:55,237 --> 01:27:57,471
It's something that you
think about regularly.
1657
01:28:02,210 --> 01:28:04,311
You revisit in your mind.
1658
01:28:06,247 --> 01:28:08,515
There's times you go out
and look yourself.
1659
01:28:12,387 --> 01:28:16,790
And some of those cases
will haunt you forever.
1660
01:28:34,742 --> 01:28:38,712
Throughout my tenure
as a sheriff,
1661
01:28:38,714 --> 01:28:40,580
There was nothing
more important
1662
01:28:40,582 --> 01:28:42,449
Than keeping
communication open
1663
01:28:42,451 --> 01:28:44,184
With the family.
1664
01:28:44,186 --> 01:28:47,087
There's only one case in
their mind that still exists.
1665
01:28:48,222 --> 01:28:50,223
And it makes it
incredibly important
1666
01:28:50,225 --> 01:28:53,627
To make sure that they feel
that you haven't
forgotten that.
1667
01:28:53,629 --> 01:28:56,029
That somebody's still
looking at it.
1668
01:29:05,406 --> 01:29:07,307
I don't come up here
that often.
1669
01:29:07,309 --> 01:29:09,476
I feel guilty, because
I feel like,
1670
01:29:09,478 --> 01:29:12,512
You know, what if my son were
up here at the time, you know,
1671
01:29:12,514 --> 01:29:14,915
I didn't know what happened,
where he was.
1672
01:29:14,917 --> 01:29:17,951
I felt guilty not coming up
here at the same time.
1673
01:29:17,953 --> 01:29:20,654
It was just too painful.
1674
01:29:26,327 --> 01:29:29,896
It was hard
comprehending that
that was it.
1675
01:29:29,898 --> 01:29:33,633
I was going down the mountain
and I was going home
without my son.
1676
01:29:34,135 --> 01:29:36,603
It was the hardest thing
1677
01:29:37,538 --> 01:29:39,072
I think I've ever done
in my life,
1678
01:29:39,074 --> 01:29:41,942
Drive off this mountain.
1679
01:29:41,944 --> 01:29:45,078
The big south trail,
right here. I've never been up
here with snow on the trail.
1680
01:29:53,454 --> 01:29:56,256
When you come up here
and you see the beauty
1681
01:29:56,258 --> 01:29:58,158
And you think,
1682
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,327
"did my son lose
his life up here?"
1683
01:30:00,329 --> 01:30:02,062
I think to myself,
1684
01:30:02,064 --> 01:30:04,998
"gee, jaryd, you sure picked
a beautiful place to hang out."
1685
01:30:19,848 --> 01:30:21,748
I don't comprehend
1686
01:30:22,316 --> 01:30:24,117
An animal getting...
1687
01:30:24,552 --> 01:30:26,653
It's too painful.
1688
01:30:35,363 --> 01:30:39,466
I mean, I visualize
many times...
1689
01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:42,536
I visualize him
walking down the trail
1690
01:30:42,538 --> 01:30:45,472
And some stupid cat
jumps in...
1691
01:30:50,411 --> 01:30:51,978
I visualize that
a lot of times.
1692
01:30:51,980 --> 01:30:54,314
But at the same time,
I never believe it either.
1693
01:30:54,316 --> 01:30:55,849
But I still visualize it,
1694
01:30:55,851 --> 01:30:59,186
Because that was something
that was constantly
thrown at me.
1695
01:31:10,431 --> 01:31:13,433
I can also imagine that
it haunts them
1696
01:31:13,435 --> 01:31:15,302
For the rest of their lives.
1697
01:31:15,304 --> 01:31:17,137
Just the weird circumstances,
1698
01:31:17,139 --> 01:31:18,939
And the fact that they will
probably never
1699
01:31:18,941 --> 01:31:20,841
Have an answer to
what really happened.
1700
01:31:21,976 --> 01:31:24,444
I think
the natural inclination
1701
01:31:24,446 --> 01:31:26,546
For all parents
and all relatives
1702
01:31:26,548 --> 01:31:29,282
Is they want closure.
1703
01:31:29,284 --> 01:31:31,852
It's an unknown what
happened to these people.
1704
01:31:31,854 --> 01:31:35,822
And it extends far beyond
just kids.
1705
01:31:37,158 --> 01:31:40,627
We're at 1600 cases,
and with every month,
1706
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:42,929
There's a new case that
comes across my desk
1707
01:31:42,931 --> 01:31:45,198
That's an exact match for
what we've talked about.
1708
01:31:49,737 --> 01:31:52,839
there's not going to
be any one particular person
1709
01:31:52,841 --> 01:31:55,609
That can shed light onto
a lot of the phenomenon
that's going on.
1710
01:31:55,611 --> 01:31:56,977
We're talking about
a very large,
1711
01:31:56,979 --> 01:32:00,113
Even a worldwide collective
of information here.
1712
01:32:00,115 --> 01:32:03,316
Certainly authorities,
national park authorities,
1713
01:32:03,318 --> 01:32:04,985
Law enforcement
authorities...
1714
01:32:04,987 --> 01:32:08,588
They often have their
fingers tapped onto
1715
01:32:08,590 --> 01:32:10,090
The knowledge that we need.
1716
01:32:10,092 --> 01:32:12,993
But whether or not we can
acquire it from them
is another story.
1717
01:32:12,995 --> 01:32:14,594
When you look at
some of these cases,
1718
01:32:14,596 --> 01:32:15,929
You have to consider
1719
01:32:15,931 --> 01:32:19,499
Possibilities with which
we are really uncomfortable.
1720
01:32:19,501 --> 01:32:21,034
You know,
it's a rational society.
1721
01:32:21,036 --> 01:32:24,070
We're uncomfortable
thinking about what else
could be out there.
1722
01:32:24,072 --> 01:32:27,173
But some of these
situations are so unusual,
1723
01:32:27,175 --> 01:32:30,410
You have to think beyond
the bounds of what's normal.
1724
01:32:30,412 --> 01:32:32,679
What's a normal
explanation for this.
1725
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:41,688
I think
one of the most impressive
1726
01:32:41,690 --> 01:32:44,491
Was a search in south dakota.
1727
01:32:44,493 --> 01:32:47,027
It was for a little toddler
1728
01:32:47,029 --> 01:32:48,328
That had wandered away.
1729
01:32:48,330 --> 01:32:50,964
And this was...
I forget, it was
January, February.
1730
01:32:50,966 --> 01:32:55,802
And we could not get any
clues on the little toddler.
1731
01:32:55,804 --> 01:32:57,904
It had been like three days.
1732
01:32:57,906 --> 01:33:02,676
So we knew it was probably
not gonna be a good result.
1733
01:33:02,678 --> 01:33:05,612
Anyway, we were...
To make a log story short,
1734
01:33:05,614 --> 01:33:07,614
Coming through some willows,
1735
01:33:07,616 --> 01:33:10,784
And it was all foggy,
and the dogs were alerting.
1736
01:33:10,786 --> 01:33:14,354
But we could not come
to any conclusion.
1737
01:33:14,356 --> 01:33:16,556
And all of a sudden,
1738
01:33:16,558 --> 01:33:19,359
My dog turned around
and just let out
1739
01:33:19,361 --> 01:33:23,330
A real startled howl,
you know.
1740
01:33:23,332 --> 01:33:24,731
It was scared.
1741
01:33:24,733 --> 01:33:27,734
And we turned around
and here was
this little toddler,
1742
01:33:27,736 --> 01:33:30,036
Walking out of the fog,
1743
01:33:30,038 --> 01:33:34,107
With just absolutely
no clothes on at all.
1744
01:33:34,109 --> 01:33:36,242
And it scared all of us.
1745
01:33:36,244 --> 01:33:38,845
I mean, the other handler and I
both went "whoa!"
1746
01:33:38,847 --> 01:33:40,580
You know,
just startled us, too.
1747
01:33:40,582 --> 01:33:44,918
Just like the little thing
appeared out of nowhere
out of the mist.
1748
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,655
We suspect because of just
the way...
Dirty and everything,
1749
01:33:48,657 --> 01:33:52,359
That probably she had
been with an animal.
1750
01:33:52,361 --> 01:33:54,761
Had curled up
with a coyote, or...
1751
01:33:54,763 --> 01:33:57,030
We don't know for sure.
And we'll never know.
1752
01:34:01,102 --> 01:34:02,702
The ultimate possibility
1753
01:34:02,704 --> 01:34:05,238
Is the most disturbing of all.
1754
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,808
That it's been here as
long as humans have been here.
1755
01:34:09,777 --> 01:34:11,878
Sometimes we can
see the remains
1756
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,381
And sometimes we never get
an answer at all.
1757
01:34:27,762 --> 01:34:29,863
He had monster trucks
1758
01:34:30,164 --> 01:34:32,132
And semis.
1759
01:34:36,037 --> 01:34:38,738
I think the boots he was
wearing were like sixes,
1760
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:40,674
Or five-and-a-halves.
1761
01:34:42,276 --> 01:34:44,144
But every time he wore this,
1762
01:34:44,146 --> 01:34:46,846
He said he was super fast
and he would run everywhere.
1763
01:34:48,716 --> 01:34:50,350
We deserve to know
what happened.
1764
01:34:50,352 --> 01:34:54,187
But that little boy at least
deserves to come home
or have closure.
1765
01:34:54,189 --> 01:34:56,790
I owe at least that much
to my little boy,
1766
01:34:56,792 --> 01:34:59,959
Is to at least give him
his life back, or his closure.
1767
01:35:53,748 --> 01:35:56,916
♪ Would you walk
1768
01:35:56,918 --> 01:36:00,787
♪ a thousand miles
1769
01:36:01,722 --> 01:36:05,492
♪ along cliffs
1770
01:36:05,494 --> 01:36:09,295
♪ cliffs made of shell
1771
01:36:10,731 --> 01:36:13,833
♪ would you abandon
1772
01:36:13,835 --> 01:36:17,837
♪ your father
1773
01:36:19,306 --> 01:36:25,512
♪ along, along, along
along the trail ♪
1774
01:36:27,681 --> 01:36:30,950
♪ 'cause there's a road
1775
01:36:30,952 --> 01:36:35,822
♪ leads through mountains
1776
01:36:36,457 --> 01:36:39,559
♪ and that'll cut
1777
01:36:39,561 --> 01:36:44,130
♪ cut through you home
1778
01:36:44,899 --> 01:36:48,601
♪ and there's a lake
1779
01:36:48,603 --> 01:36:53,173
♪ carved by glaciers
1780
01:36:54,408 --> 01:37:00,079
♪ moving through stone
1781
01:37:01,048 --> 01:37:04,484
♪ moving through
1782
01:37:36,317 --> 01:37:39,586
♪ hey, you