1 00:00:25,526 --> 00:00:27,902 (ENGINE REVVING) 2 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:07,150 (WOMAN VOCALIZING) 3 00:01:53,947 --> 00:01:55,531 (MEN SHOUTING) 4 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:58,284 (HORN HONKING) 5 00:02:04,708 --> 00:02:07,376 (HONKING CONTINUES) 6 00:02:10,422 --> 00:02:12,089 -(HORNS HONKING) -(PEOPLE CLAMORING) 7 00:02:14,802 --> 00:02:16,761 -(HORN HONKING) -(WOMAN SHOUTING) 8 00:02:21,642 --> 00:02:23,184 (VOCALIZING CONTINUES) 9 00:02:32,402 --> 00:02:34,153 (MEN CHATTERING) 10 00:02:35,072 --> 00:02:36,572 (MEN SHOUTING) 11 00:03:11,567 --> 00:03:13,651 (MAN SPEAKING IN ARABIC) 12 00:03:16,446 --> 00:03:18,781 (MEN CONVERSING IN ARABIC) 13 00:03:40,304 --> 00:03:42,221 -Coffee? -Yeah, thank you. 14 00:03:44,474 --> 00:03:46,183 How have you liked your stay? 15 00:03:47,477 --> 00:03:50,438 -What I've seen, I've liked. -(SPEAKS ARABIC) 16 00:03:54,818 --> 00:03:58,070 Please to explain why I should agree to interview 17 00:03:58,155 --> 00:04:00,823 with pro-Zionist American media? 18 00:04:02,326 --> 00:04:04,327 Because I think Hezbollah 19 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:08,748 is trying to broaden into a political party right now, 20 00:04:08,832 --> 00:04:11,584 so you care about what you're thought of in America, 21 00:04:11,668 --> 00:04:17,673 and in America at this moment in time, Hezbollah does not have a face. 22 00:04:17,758 --> 00:04:18,841 That's why. 23 00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:21,427 Perhaps you prove journalism objectivity, 24 00:04:21,511 --> 00:04:23,638 and I see the questions first. 25 00:04:23,722 --> 00:04:26,682 Then I decide if I grant the interview. 26 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:28,893 No, we don't do that. 27 00:04:29,853 --> 00:04:32,688 You've seen 60 Minutes and Mike Wallace, 28 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:35,942 so you know our reputation for integrity and objectivity. 29 00:04:36,026 --> 00:04:40,363 You also know we are the highest-rated, most-respected 30 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:44,116 TV magazine news show in America. 31 00:04:45,494 --> 00:04:47,536 (MAN SINGING IN ARABIC ON RADIO) 32 00:04:51,708 --> 00:04:54,835 So, Mr. Wallace... Should he get on a plane or not? 33 00:04:56,922 --> 00:04:59,882 Tell him I'll see him day after tomorrow. 34 00:05:00,175 --> 00:05:01,968 That's good. That works. 35 00:05:05,889 --> 00:05:10,226 I want to ask you something. I know it sounds odd, but... 36 00:05:14,648 --> 00:05:22,321 Hello? Sheikh? 37 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:31,497 -Norman? -What? What? 38 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:34,166 Take your blindfold off. 39 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:42,133 Welcome to the world. 40 00:05:45,762 --> 00:05:47,763 (PHONE BEEPING) 41 00:05:47,848 --> 00:05:50,433 Fluctuating all over the place. 42 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:54,437 Anywhere we shoot here, it's gonna be portable gennies and we'll run cable. 43 00:05:54,771 --> 00:05:56,439 (LINE RINGING) 44 00:06:05,115 --> 00:06:08,367 -Hello? -Mike, it's me. We're on. 45 00:06:10,537 --> 00:06:11,871 (PHONE BEEPS) 46 00:06:26,470 --> 00:06:28,512 (CHATTERING) 47 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:49,492 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 48 00:07:57,018 --> 00:07:58,769 (TV PLAYING CARTOONS) 49 00:08:01,731 --> 00:08:03,566 -Hi, honey. -Hi, Daddy. 50 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:04,650 What's new? 51 00:08:04,943 --> 00:08:06,402 Miss Loughrey gave me a star today. 52 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,196 Yeah? What for? 53 00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:12,074 -For reading. -That's great. 54 00:08:19,791 --> 00:08:22,418 A little early for cartoons, isn't it? 55 00:08:23,962 --> 00:08:25,629 Okay. 56 00:08:27,799 --> 00:08:29,466 (TV TURNS OFF) 57 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:34,805 Deborah? Debbie? 58 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:47,902 Oh, I didn't know you were home. It's early, isn't it? 59 00:08:50,197 --> 00:08:51,322 (SIGHS) 60 00:08:51,406 --> 00:08:53,616 Gotta take Debbie to ballet. 61 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:55,701 BARBARA: Mommy! 62 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:01,749 (HYPERVENTILATING) 63 00:09:04,961 --> 00:09:06,712 Sweetheart, come on. Come on. 64 00:09:06,838 --> 00:09:08,923 She was playing with my Pooh doll again. 65 00:09:09,591 --> 00:09:12,801 Slow down, slow down, slow down. Breathe deep, breathe deep. 66 00:09:15,764 --> 00:09:17,556 -(HYPERVENTILATING) -Slow down, honey. Slow down. 67 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:20,184 Slow down. 68 00:09:21,144 --> 00:09:22,311 Here we go. 69 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:26,273 -Deep breaths. Deep breaths. -She was playing with the Pooh doll. 70 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:28,025 Pooh's dusty, sweetheart. 71 00:09:28,109 --> 00:09:31,237 He's dusty and you breathed him in, okay? 72 00:09:31,321 --> 00:09:32,571 So, what's happening to you... Look at me. 73 00:09:32,656 --> 00:09:35,366 What's happening to you now is cells called "mass cells" 74 00:09:36,117 --> 00:09:39,662 told your lungs, "Don't breathe any more of that dust in." 75 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:42,122 And the airways in your lungs are like branches, 76 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:46,126 and when the branches close up, you get an asthmatic attack, 77 00:09:46,211 --> 00:09:50,714 and we give you medicine and you get better. Uh-huh? Okay? 78 00:09:51,508 --> 00:09:53,801 Better already, aren't you? 79 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,388 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 80 00:10:01,977 --> 00:10:03,352 Okay, baby? 81 00:10:03,853 --> 00:10:05,646 (DEBORAH LAUGHING) 82 00:10:11,903 --> 00:10:14,405 Can I go to dance tomorrow? I'm better. 83 00:10:14,489 --> 00:10:18,117 If you are, then I'll take Barbara to soccer and take you to dance after. 84 00:10:18,451 --> 00:10:19,618 I can take her. 85 00:10:20,787 --> 00:10:22,371 Don't you have to be at the office? 86 00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:27,584 -Is there any more rice? -Yes, it's on the stove. 87 00:10:31,506 --> 00:10:34,800 LIANE: Do you want more rice? DEBORAH: Maybe later. 88 00:10:34,884 --> 00:10:36,719 LIANE: How about you? BARBARA: I'll take some. 89 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:37,886 Instant rice? 90 00:10:43,977 --> 00:10:45,686 BARBARA: Can I go over to Jeanine's house? 91 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:47,771 I'm sorry, darling. Have you seen my coffee mug? 92 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:50,190 Try the car. 93 00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:58,198 (SIGHS) 94 00:11:12,756 --> 00:11:14,715 What are those boxes? 95 00:11:15,925 --> 00:11:17,301 I'm going to the store. You need anything? 96 00:11:17,385 --> 00:11:19,178 -What do you need at the store? -Soy sauce. 97 00:11:19,262 --> 00:11:20,262 Right now? 98 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:22,973 That's my stuff from the office. 99 00:11:23,058 --> 00:11:25,684 Why did you take your stuff from the office? 100 00:11:25,769 --> 00:11:28,479 -I didn't want to leave it there. -I don't understand. 101 00:11:32,233 --> 00:11:33,942 I got fired this morning. 102 00:11:35,362 --> 00:11:36,945 Where else am I gonna take it? 103 00:11:38,448 --> 00:11:39,948 Why? 104 00:11:40,617 --> 00:11:43,369 -Who said? -Thomas Sandefur. 105 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:50,501 What are we supposed to do? 106 00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:55,798 What about our medical coverage? What about our health? 107 00:11:55,882 --> 00:12:00,135 What about our car payments? The payments on this house? 108 00:12:08,812 --> 00:12:11,522 The severance agreement includes cash payoffs over time 109 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:13,649 and continuing medical coverage. 110 00:12:14,484 --> 00:12:16,318 -(GASPS) -Sure you don't need anything? 111 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:18,779 No, thank you. 112 00:12:22,367 --> 00:12:23,992 (ENGINE STARTS) 113 00:12:26,788 --> 00:12:28,414 Jeffrey? 114 00:12:41,678 --> 00:12:43,387 (MEN SPEAKING IN ARABIC) 115 00:12:47,142 --> 00:12:51,019 I am very pleased to receive you as my guest, Mr. Wallace. 116 00:12:51,604 --> 00:12:52,729 Well, thank you for having us. 117 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:56,859 Think I got a problem with the gennie. I gotta go outside. 118 00:13:00,864 --> 00:13:02,573 Give me a hand with this, will you? 119 00:13:05,743 --> 00:13:07,327 Norman! 120 00:13:07,871 --> 00:13:09,997 (SPEAKING IN ARABIC) 121 00:13:11,249 --> 00:13:14,293 -He says, you must not sit so close. -What? 122 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:18,630 I can't conduct an interview from back there. 123 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:20,090 (TRANSLATING) 124 00:13:20,175 --> 00:13:21,884 (SPEAKING IN ARABIC) 125 00:13:22,719 --> 00:13:25,262 You must move back your chair. 126 00:13:25,763 --> 00:13:28,223 Well, you tell him that when I conduct an interview, 127 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:31,226 I sit anywhere I damn please. 128 00:13:32,395 --> 00:13:34,104 (TRANSLATING) 129 00:13:34,731 --> 00:13:36,899 (SPEAKING ARABIC) 130 00:13:37,442 --> 00:13:38,609 There is no interview. 131 00:13:39,903 --> 00:13:40,903 You! 132 00:13:41,946 --> 00:13:42,946 I'm talking to you! 133 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:46,074 What the hell do you think I am, a 78-year-old assassin? 134 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:49,495 You think I'm gonna karate him to death with this notepad? 135 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,916 (SPEAKING IN ARABIC) 136 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,795 -Are you interpreting what I'm saying? -Yes. 137 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:59,922 -We're there. -Good. 138 00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:02,090 Well, ask him ifArabic is his second language. 139 00:14:02,717 --> 00:14:04,718 -Don't interpret that. Hold it. -(SPEAKING IN ARABIC) 140 00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:07,262 Hold it! Hold it! Slow! Slow! 141 00:14:08,139 --> 00:14:10,265 Sheikh, do you mind? 142 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:14,645 If you would just turn your chair a little bit to face Mr. Wallace. 143 00:14:18,107 --> 00:14:19,233 -Is that okay? -Okay. 144 00:14:22,153 --> 00:14:25,197 Are you ready or do you wanna keep fucking around 145 00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:26,698 and warm up some more? 146 00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:29,701 -No, I've got my heart started. -Okay. 147 00:14:31,329 --> 00:14:33,163 All right, Todd. 148 00:14:34,749 --> 00:14:37,626 Give me the three-button on Mike, please. 149 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:40,837 Good. Good. 150 00:14:42,257 --> 00:14:43,465 Okay, we are rolling. 151 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:46,760 (CLEARS THROAT) 152 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:49,596 Okay, Mike. 153 00:14:50,139 --> 00:14:53,058 Sheikh Fadlallah, thank you so much for seeing us. 154 00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:54,309 Are you a terrorist? 155 00:14:55,937 --> 00:14:59,648 Mr. Wallace, I am a servant of God. 156 00:15:00,108 --> 00:15:02,568 A servant of God? Really? 157 00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:06,405 Americans believe that you, as an Islamic fundamentalist, 158 00:15:06,489 --> 00:15:11,994 that you are a leader who contributed to the bombing of the US Embassy. 159 00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:37,144 Everybody thinks Canadian Mounties ride horses 160 00:15:37,228 --> 00:15:38,770 and rescue ladies from rapids. 161 00:15:38,855 --> 00:15:42,190 Mike, they backed locals in Oka in a fight with Mohawks 162 00:15:42,275 --> 00:15:44,943 over building a golf course on their burial site, 163 00:15:45,028 --> 00:15:47,362 -they beat up protesters at Kanehsatake. -(PHONE RINGING) 164 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:51,908 -Where'd you hear that? -Hello. 165 00:15:51,993 --> 00:15:55,829 Oh, someone took a poll? "Are all things Canadian boring?" 166 00:15:55,913 --> 00:15:58,081 -It's Stuart. He's in Mexico City. -Oh. Let me call you back. 167 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:00,751 Yeah, Stuart? 168 00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:02,753 -What New York bank? -Hey, Dad. 169 00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,716 Will he go on camera and talk about the Mexico City branch? 170 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,843 -Hey, Jake. -Whose money are they laundering? 171 00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:13,555 -No classes this morning? -I don't have to be there till 1 0:30. 172 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,682 -Hey, Mom. Hello. -Hi, sweetheart. 173 00:16:16,726 --> 00:16:18,226 (PHONE RINGING) 174 00:16:20,897 --> 00:16:23,357 -Hello? Yeah. -Do independent sources corroborate? 175 00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:30,822 -Dad, you got a box out here. -Let me see this a second. 176 00:16:30,907 --> 00:16:31,948 (CHUCKLES) 177 00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:34,660 'Cause I gotta know where you're going at all times. 178 00:16:38,247 --> 00:16:39,581 (DOOR CLOSES) 179 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:48,256 SHARON: I can't. I've gotta fly to Boston tomorrow. 180 00:16:49,217 --> 00:16:52,427 2:00 p.m. Great. Bye-bye 181 00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:57,182 "Ignition propensity." You understand any of this? 182 00:17:02,105 --> 00:17:03,563 No. (CHUCKLES) 183 00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:07,359 This looks like a table of temperatures. 184 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:10,112 -Who's this from? -It's anonymous. 185 00:17:10,947 --> 00:17:13,115 References to "P.M." 186 00:17:13,783 --> 00:17:15,450 It's gotta be Phillip Morris, huh? 187 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:18,370 Hmm. I have to take a shower. 188 00:17:23,626 --> 00:17:25,293 (PAGER BEEPING) 189 00:17:36,347 --> 00:17:37,764 (PHONE RINGING) 190 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:39,307 Yeah? 191 00:17:39,684 --> 00:17:43,186 -Hi, this is Doug Oliver. -Oh, hi, Doug. It's LoweII. 192 00:17:43,646 --> 00:17:45,105 I'm doing this story on fire safety, 193 00:17:45,189 --> 00:17:47,399 and people burning up from falling asleep smoking. 194 00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:51,903 I receive a shitload of scientific papers from inside Phillip Morris. 195 00:17:52,155 --> 00:17:54,406 Anonymous. You or anybody in FDA 196 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:58,452 know someone who can translate this stuff into English for me? 197 00:17:58,828 --> 00:17:59,911 Uh, yeah. 198 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:11,381 (LINE RINGING) 199 00:18:11,466 --> 00:18:12,841 (PHONE RINGING) 200 00:18:16,512 --> 00:18:17,512 Hello? 201 00:18:19,015 --> 00:18:20,140 Mr. Wigand, please? 202 00:18:21,392 --> 00:18:23,685 Someone's calling for Daddy, Mom. 203 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:29,608 Oh. Thank you, Bob. 204 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:32,194 -Who's calling? -My name is Lowell Bergman. 205 00:18:32,278 --> 00:18:36,740 -Did you say "Berman?" -No, Bergman. B-E-R-G-M-A-N. 206 00:18:36,824 --> 00:18:39,117 -I'm a producer for 60 Minutes. -60 Minutes? 207 00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:40,202 Yeah. 208 00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:43,705 -60 Minutes, the television show? -Yes. 209 00:18:44,457 --> 00:18:45,707 He doesn't want to talk to you. 210 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:49,252 How does he know he doesn't want to talk to me? 211 00:18:49,337 --> 00:18:50,754 He doesn't know what I'm calling him about. 212 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:53,215 He doesn't care to know. 213 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,176 (DIAL TONE) 214 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:08,522 (DIALING NUMBERS) 215 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:17,489 (PHONE RINGING) 216 00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:18,824 WIGAND ON MACHINE: This is the Wigands'. 217 00:19:18,908 --> 00:19:22,410 lf you'd like to leave a message orsend a fax, start now. (BEEPS) 218 00:19:22,495 --> 00:19:24,454 This is LoweII Bergman with 60 Minutes, 219 00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:27,374 and I'm doing a story on fire safety and cigarettes. 220 00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:30,669 l have scientific documents from a tobacco company 221 00:19:30,753 --> 00:19:33,505 and I couId use your heIp as a consultant 222 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:35,423 expIaining these documents to me. 223 00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:41,680 Now, my number is area code 510-555-0199. 224 00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:44,266 l'll be there at this number in 10 minutes. 225 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:46,268 (HANGS UP) 226 00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:37,319 (PHONE RINGS) 227 00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:54,044 (BEEPS) 228 00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:16,775 (PHONE RINGS) 229 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:35,543 (BEEPS) 230 00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:19,337 If you're curious to meet me, I'm gonna be in the lobby 231 00:22:19,422 --> 00:22:23,133 of the Seelbach Hotel in Louisville 232 00:22:23,217 --> 00:22:26,678 reading The New York Times tomorrow at 5:00. 233 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,096 (HANGS UP) 234 00:22:37,773 --> 00:22:55,123 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 235 00:23:45,299 --> 00:23:47,550 BERGMAN: Have you always lived in Louisville? 236 00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,971 Mr. Bergman, what did you want me to consult about? 237 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,057 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 238 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:55,934 Who's that? 239 00:23:57,561 --> 00:23:58,978 That's room service. 240 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:01,815 They usually knock first. 241 00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,861 Come on in. Over here, please. 242 00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:18,331 Thank you. 243 00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:21,543 How do you like your coffee? Black? 244 00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:23,378 Black. Black. 245 00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:27,215 I really don't have that much time. 246 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:28,550 (CLEARS THROAT) 247 00:24:30,052 --> 00:24:32,637 Is there anything you want to know about me, Mr. Wigand? 248 00:24:32,721 --> 00:24:34,848 Like what? Your sign? 249 00:24:38,227 --> 00:24:41,437 -I know what I have to know. -Just so I know you know, 250 00:24:42,231 --> 00:24:45,942 when I talk to people in confidence, it stays that way. 251 00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:52,323 How did a radical journalist from Ramparts Magazine end up at CBS? 252 00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:59,706 I still do the tough stories. 60 Minutes reaches a lot of people. 253 00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:05,378 Let me see the documents. 254 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:37,619 This is a fire-safety product study for Phillip Morris. 255 00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:42,916 Burn rates, ignition propensity, things of this nature. 256 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,002 I could very easily explain this to you in layman's terms 257 00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:49,464 because it's from another company, but that's as far as I go. 258 00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,591 As far as you go where? 259 00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:54,719 This issue is a drop in the bucket. 260 00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:56,804 I can talk to you about what's in here, but I... 261 00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:58,473 I can't talk to you about anything else. 262 00:26:03,646 --> 00:26:06,856 I signed a confidentiality agreement. I honor agreements. 263 00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:13,154 Doesn't CBS have confidentiality agreements, Mr. Bergman? 264 00:26:13,781 --> 00:26:16,783 Between journalists and management, yes, I believe they do. 265 00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:20,578 But I don't take that seriously. Where do you work? 266 00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:23,831 -"Did work." -Did work? 267 00:26:23,958 --> 00:26:26,376 How much would I get paid? 268 00:26:30,172 --> 00:26:33,758 That you have to discuss with CBS Business Affairs. 269 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:38,346 But for something like this, I would say anywhere between $1 0, $1 2,000. 270 00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,477 Should I just take the documents now? 271 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:47,188 If you want to do it. 272 00:26:55,030 --> 00:27:00,410 I worked as a head of Research and Development for Brown and Williamson. 273 00:27:00,494 --> 00:27:02,036 Tobacco company. 274 00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:09,085 I was a corporate vice-president. 275 00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:12,338 Mr. Bergman. 276 00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:26,644 (DOOR CLOSES) 277 00:27:40,701 --> 00:27:41,951 WALLACE ON TV: PresidentAssad of Syria 278 00:27:42,036 --> 00:27:44,495 said that difficuIt obstacIes remain, 279 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:46,247 but that his country, quote, 280 00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:49,667 "Iooks forward to a great Iong peace with lsrael." 281 00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:52,462 -(STATIC) -That's a Peabody, Mike. 282 00:27:52,546 --> 00:27:53,713 When you're dead and buried, 283 00:27:53,797 --> 00:27:55,840 Hezbollah is the one we're gonna remember you for. 284 00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:57,967 (CHATTERING) 285 00:27:58,052 --> 00:28:00,219 -Are you eating with us? -Yeah. 286 00:28:00,304 --> 00:28:02,722 Bring a tie so they let us in the front door. 287 00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:03,890 (CHUCKLES) 288 00:28:04,141 --> 00:28:05,391 Come on. 289 00:28:13,484 --> 00:28:15,443 -Debbie! -MAN: Hey, Lowell. 290 00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:18,988 Oh, Bill, Main Justice is investigating a major New York bank 291 00:28:19,073 --> 00:28:21,199 laundering narco dollars out of their Mexico City branch. 292 00:28:21,283 --> 00:28:22,283 You want it for the evening news? 293 00:28:22,493 --> 00:28:23,701 What about you? You got a crew already? 294 00:28:23,786 --> 00:28:24,911 -I'm gonna do a follow-up. -Okay. 295 00:28:24,995 --> 00:28:25,995 Catch you later. 296 00:28:32,336 --> 00:28:33,711 -Debbie. -How are you? 297 00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:36,839 I want you to get Legal on a corporate confidentiality agreement. 298 00:28:36,924 --> 00:28:37,965 Okay. 299 00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:42,345 Boundaries of their constraint, Kentucky state law about... 300 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:44,555 -I want you to drop everything. -Okay. 301 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,932 I don't have any change. You got some change? 302 00:28:46,016 --> 00:28:47,141 Here. 303 00:28:55,984 --> 00:28:57,360 Tony. 304 00:29:00,197 --> 00:29:01,739 (VACUUM WHIRRING) 305 00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:08,871 (WHIRRING CONTINUES) 306 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:15,962 MAN: Mr. Wigand, you can go up now. 307 00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,514 (QUIET CHATTERING) 308 00:29:39,361 --> 00:29:44,115 Sorry. I'm accepting an award from the Retinitis Pigmentosa Foundation. 309 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:47,034 It's gonna kill the rest of my day. 310 00:29:53,041 --> 00:29:57,170 So, have you had a chance to play golf? 311 00:29:57,254 --> 00:30:00,965 Jeff's a premier golfer. What are you, a two handicap? 312 00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:03,050 Seven. 313 00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:07,138 And he gets out there and he has five strokes on us. 314 00:30:07,222 --> 00:30:10,433 He has more concentration than anybody I've ever met. 315 00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:13,853 It's spooky how he can concentrate. 316 00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:18,941 I'd rather play than talk about it. 317 00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:21,861 What did you want to see me about? 318 00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,239 I don't like being back here. 319 00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,326 Jeffrey says exactly what's on his mind. 320 00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:31,162 Most people consider what they're saying, social skills. 321 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,123 Jeffrey just charges right ahead. 322 00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:39,378 Now, I know you understood the nature of the confidentiality portion 323 00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:42,423 of your severance agreement with Brown and Williamson. 324 00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:45,259 -Chapter and verse. -Yeah, I know you do. 325 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:49,388 You know, I came up through sales. 326 00:30:49,473 --> 00:30:51,724 One of the reasons I was a great salesman 327 00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:54,810 was I never made a promise I couldn't keep. 328 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:59,857 I knew that if I ever broke my promise, I'd suffer the consequence. 329 00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:02,318 Is that a threat? 330 00:31:03,737 --> 00:31:07,031 We worked together for, what was it, three years? 331 00:31:07,115 --> 00:31:10,535 The work we did here is confidential, not for public scrutiny 332 00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:12,286 any more than are one's family matters. 333 00:31:12,955 --> 00:31:14,580 You're threatening my family now, too? 334 00:31:14,665 --> 00:31:15,790 (CHUCKLES) 335 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:18,459 Now, don't be paranoid, Jeff. 336 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:21,587 About the direction of research here, we may have had our differences, but... 337 00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:23,673 Research. 338 00:31:23,757 --> 00:31:26,551 You declare as a badge of honor you don't even know what makes water boil. 339 00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:29,303 Well, that's why we hire scientists. 340 00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:31,430 (SCOFFS) Okay. 341 00:31:32,808 --> 00:31:35,518 I don't believe that you can maintain corporate integrity 342 00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:37,144 without confidentiality agreements. 343 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,398 I was paid well for my work, 344 00:31:40,482 --> 00:31:43,609 the health and welfare benefits are good, 345 00:31:43,694 --> 00:31:45,778 the severance package is fair. 346 00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,491 I have no intention of violating my confidentiality agreement 347 00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:53,619 and disclosing that which I said I wouldn't. 348 00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:57,665 I appreciate all that, Jeff, 349 00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:03,254 but upon reflection, we've decided to expand our zone of comfort with you. 350 00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:06,465 So we've drafted a supplement to your agreement. 351 00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:13,222 It broadly defines and expands in more detail what is confidential. 352 00:32:13,307 --> 00:32:14,932 Nobody will be able to say, 353 00:32:15,017 --> 00:32:19,353 "Well, hell's bells, Margaret, I didn't know that was a secret." 354 00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:22,940 We're very serious about protecting our interests. 355 00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:24,859 We'd like you to sign it. 356 00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:29,614 And if I don't? 357 00:32:29,698 --> 00:32:33,034 If we arrive at the conclusion that you're acting in bad faith, 358 00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:37,079 we would terminate right now payoffs under your severance package, 359 00:32:37,164 --> 00:32:38,539 you and your family's medical benefits 360 00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:42,293 and initiate litigation against you, Mr. Wigand. 361 00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:46,339 -Dr. Wigand. -Dr. Wigand. 362 00:32:47,883 --> 00:32:49,091 If you've examined the document, 363 00:32:49,176 --> 00:32:52,803 you'll see it's in your own best interest and you'll sign it. 364 00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:03,814 What you're saying is it isn't enough that you fired me for no good reason. 365 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:06,025 Now you question my integrity? 366 00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:09,028 On top of the humiliation of being fired, 367 00:33:09,112 --> 00:33:13,115 you threaten me, you threaten my family? 368 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:17,328 It never crossed my mind not to honor my agreement. 369 00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:22,333 I will tell you, Mr. Sandefur, and Brown and Williamson, too... "Fuck me"? 370 00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:23,668 Well, fuck you! 371 00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:34,679 I'm not sure he got the message. 372 00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,557 Oh, I think he did. 373 00:33:40,769 --> 00:33:42,311 (HORN HONKING) 374 00:33:45,899 --> 00:33:47,692 (LINE RINGING) 375 00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:51,278 (CHUCKLES) 376 00:33:52,239 --> 00:33:53,698 -Yeah. -You fucked me! 377 00:33:54,741 --> 00:33:55,866 Who's this? 378 00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:59,495 Protect your sources? You screwed me! You sold me out! 379 00:34:01,415 --> 00:34:02,998 What are you talking about? Where are you? 380 00:34:03,125 --> 00:34:04,458 Fuck you, too! 381 00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:25,646 (SIGHS) 382 00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:36,615 (BALL CLANGING) 383 00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:42,246 (BALL CLATTERING) 384 00:34:48,545 --> 00:34:49,754 (BALL CLANGING) 385 00:35:45,894 --> 00:35:47,436 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 386 00:36:21,054 --> 00:36:22,429 (HITS BALL) 387 00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,477 (VOCALIZING) 388 00:37:13,732 --> 00:37:15,232 (BREATHING DEEPLY) 389 00:37:16,026 --> 00:37:17,651 (ENGINE STARTS) 390 00:37:28,705 --> 00:37:30,497 Stay away from me. 391 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,501 You stay away from me! 392 00:37:43,345 --> 00:37:46,013 Jeffrey, you forgot the lunches! 393 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,396 -Mrs. Wigand? -Jump in quick. Come on. 394 00:37:54,856 --> 00:37:58,108 How do you do? I'm Lowell Bergman. We spoke on the phone. 395 00:38:01,071 --> 00:38:03,113 -Come here. I want to talk to you. -Good. I want to talk to you. 396 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,532 This is my house. In front of my wife, my kids... 397 00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:08,494 I did not burn you. I did not give you up to anyone. 398 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:10,120 What business do we have? 399 00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:12,581 I'm here to straighten something out with you. 400 00:38:12,666 --> 00:38:13,666 Right here, right now. 401 00:38:14,376 --> 00:38:15,376 You haven't mentioned my name? 402 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:16,460 You haven't talked to anybody about me? 403 00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:17,503 What am I gonna mention your name for... 404 00:38:17,587 --> 00:38:18,587 Why are Brown and Williamson... 405 00:38:18,672 --> 00:38:19,880 How the hell do I know about Brown and Williamson? 406 00:38:20,048 --> 00:38:23,092 It happened just after I talked to you! I do not like coincidences! 407 00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:26,679 Well, I don't like paranoid accusations. I'm a journalist. 408 00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:29,723 Think! Use your head! How do I operate as a journalist? 409 00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:32,559 By screwing the people who could provide me with information 410 00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:34,895 before they provided me with it? 411 00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:37,356 You came all the way down here to tell me that? 412 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,440 No, I did not. 413 00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:41,735 Big Tobacco is a big story and you got something important to say. 414 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:42,987 I can tell. 415 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,030 But yes, I did. 416 00:38:45,115 --> 00:38:49,702 I came all the way down here to tell you, story, no story, fuck your story, 417 00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:53,706 I don't burn people. 418 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:03,799 (ENGINE STARTS) 419 00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:28,615 Ride with me while I take the girls to school. 420 00:39:56,936 --> 00:39:58,812 WIGAND: My little girl has acute asthma. 421 00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:02,816 Deborah, my oldest daughter. 422 00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:06,904 And I'm unemployed, so I have to protect my medical coverage. 423 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:09,740 So I left them a message this morning. 424 00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:12,367 Their expanded confidentiality agreement... 425 00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:17,206 I will sign it. 426 00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:19,833 -They're afraid of you, aren't they? -They should be. 427 00:40:26,508 --> 00:40:29,593 Talk to me outside the zone of your agreement. 428 00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:30,719 Like what? 429 00:40:30,804 --> 00:40:33,680 Like, where'd you work before Brown and Williamson? 430 00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:38,227 Johnson and Johnson, Union Carbide in Japan... 431 00:40:38,311 --> 00:40:41,814 I was the general manager and director of new products. I speak Japanese. 432 00:40:41,898 --> 00:40:46,110 I was a director of corporate development at Pfizer. 433 00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:47,736 All health-related. 434 00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:53,242 What else outside the zone? 435 00:40:55,662 --> 00:40:58,247 I don't know. Do you think the Knicks are gonna make it to the semifinals? 436 00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:01,917 (BARGE APPROACHING, DEPARTING) 437 00:41:11,553 --> 00:41:13,178 -Just give me an example. -Okay. 438 00:41:13,263 --> 00:41:16,473 For example, James Burke. 439 00:41:16,558 --> 00:41:18,517 -CEO of Johnson and Johnson. -Yeah. 440 00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:23,480 When he found out that some lunatic had put poison in Tylenol bottles. 441 00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:25,315 He didn't argue with the FDA, 442 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,067 he didn't even wait for the FDA to tell him, 443 00:41:27,152 --> 00:41:29,820 he just pulled Tylenol off every shelf of every store 444 00:41:29,904 --> 00:41:32,197 right across America, instantly. 445 00:41:32,282 --> 00:41:33,323 (CHUCKLES) 446 00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:35,868 And then he developed a safety cap. 447 00:41:35,952 --> 00:41:40,581 Because as a CEO, sure, he's gotta be a great businessman, right? 448 00:41:40,665 --> 00:41:43,000 But he's also a man of science. 449 00:41:43,084 --> 00:41:45,335 He's not gonna allow his company to put on the shelf 450 00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:48,422 a product that might hurt people. 451 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,591 Not like the Seven Dwarfs. 452 00:41:50,967 --> 00:41:53,468 -Seven Dwarfs? -Seven CEOs of Big Tobacco. 453 00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:55,512 They got in front of Congress that time. It was on television... 454 00:41:55,597 --> 00:41:56,889 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 455 00:41:56,973 --> 00:41:59,016 Swore under oath that they know nothing about addiction... 456 00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:00,434 -It was on C-SPAN. -Yeah. 457 00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:05,647 Okay, so, here you are. You go to work for tobacco. 458 00:42:05,732 --> 00:42:08,609 You come from corporate cultures where research, 459 00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:11,236 really creative thinking, these are core values. 460 00:42:11,321 --> 00:42:14,740 You go to tobacco. Tobacco is a sales culture, 461 00:42:14,824 --> 00:42:17,910 market and sell enormous volume, go to a lot of golf tournaments. 462 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:20,329 The hell with everything else. What are you doing? 463 00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:22,039 Why are you working for tobacco in the first place? 464 00:42:22,123 --> 00:42:24,291 -I can't talk about it. -(LAUGHS) 465 00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:25,876 The work I was supposed to do 466 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,795 might have had some positive effect, I don't know. 467 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,714 Could have been beneficial. 468 00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:35,344 Mostly, I got paid a lot. I took the money. 469 00:42:35,929 --> 00:42:37,221 My wife was happy, 470 00:42:37,305 --> 00:42:40,349 my kids had good medical, good schools, got a great house. 471 00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:42,559 I mean, what the hell is wrong with that? 472 00:42:42,936 --> 00:42:45,229 Nothing's wrong with that. That's it. You're making money. 473 00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:47,981 You're providing for your family. What could be wrong with that? 474 00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:54,404 I always thought of myself as a man of science, that's what's wrong with it. 475 00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:59,993 Then you're in a state of conflict, Jeff. 476 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,746 Because, look, here's how it lays out. 477 00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,831 If you've got vital insider stuff, 478 00:43:04,916 --> 00:43:07,584 the American people, for their welfare, really do need to know, 479 00:43:07,669 --> 00:43:11,296 and you feel impelled to disclose it and violate your agreement in doing so, 480 00:43:11,381 --> 00:43:12,881 that's one thing. 481 00:43:12,966 --> 00:43:16,760 On the other hand, if you want to honor this agreement, 482 00:43:16,844 --> 00:43:18,428 then that's simple. 483 00:43:18,513 --> 00:43:21,473 You do so. You say nothing, you do nothing. 484 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,685 There's only one guy who can figure that out for you, 485 00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:27,396 and that's you all by yourself. 486 00:43:33,695 --> 00:43:35,696 I gotta go pick up the girls. They only had half a day. 487 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:37,614 (ENGINE STARTS) 488 00:43:55,383 --> 00:43:58,051 MAN: I've heard virtuaIIy aII the... We touched on it. 489 00:43:58,136 --> 00:44:00,345 Yes or no, do you beIieve nicotine is not addictive? 490 00:44:00,430 --> 00:44:03,223 MAN 2: Congressman, cigarettes and nicotine 491 00:44:03,308 --> 00:44:06,977 cIearly do not meet the classic definitions of addiction. 492 00:44:07,061 --> 00:44:08,353 There is no intoxication. 493 00:44:08,438 --> 00:44:09,730 CONGRESSMAN: We'll take that as "no." 494 00:44:09,897 --> 00:44:11,982 -(CHUCKLING) -Again, time is short. 495 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:14,484 I think each of you beIieve nicotine is not addictive 496 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:16,945 and just wouId Iike to have this for the record. 497 00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,782 l believe that nicotine is not addictive. 498 00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:23,160 I, too, beIieve that nicotine... 499 00:44:23,703 --> 00:44:25,162 He referred to this... 500 00:44:25,246 --> 00:44:27,331 -The Seven Dwarfs. -What Seven Dwarfs? 501 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:29,791 The seven CEO of Big Tobacco. Referred to this, 502 00:44:29,876 --> 00:44:33,795 said they should be afraid of him. I assume afraid of what he could reveal. 503 00:44:34,255 --> 00:44:35,630 Now you tell me. 504 00:44:35,715 --> 00:44:38,592 What does this guy have to say that threatens these people? 505 00:44:39,427 --> 00:44:41,678 Well, it isn't cigarettes are bad for you. 506 00:44:41,763 --> 00:44:43,263 -Hardly new news. -No shit. 507 00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:46,099 What's this? 508 00:44:46,184 --> 00:44:49,519 What that is is tobacco's standard defense. 509 00:44:49,604 --> 00:44:51,396 It's the "we don't know" litany. 510 00:44:51,481 --> 00:44:55,525 "Addiction? We believe not. Disease? We don't know. 511 00:44:55,610 --> 00:44:58,528 "We take a bunch of leaves, we roll them together, you smoke 'em. 512 00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:00,739 "After that, you're on your own. We don't know." 513 00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:03,909 So, that tells me nothing. 514 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,204 -Besides, you'll never get what he's got. -Why not? 515 00:45:07,288 --> 00:45:09,456 Because of this guy's confidentiality agreement, 516 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:11,625 he's never gonna be able to talk to you. 517 00:45:11,793 --> 00:45:14,544 That's not good enough. This guy is the top scientist 518 00:45:14,629 --> 00:45:16,963 in the number-three tobacco company in America. 519 00:45:17,048 --> 00:45:18,423 He's a corporate officer. 520 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,009 You never get whistle-blowers from Fortune 500 companies. 521 00:45:21,177 --> 00:45:23,804 This guy is the ultimate insider. 522 00:45:23,888 --> 00:45:25,597 He's got something to say, he wants to say it. 523 00:45:25,681 --> 00:45:27,808 -I want it on 60 Minutes. -Doesn't matter what he wants. 524 00:45:27,892 --> 00:45:28,934 WALLACE: Am I missing something here? 525 00:45:29,018 --> 00:45:30,060 What do you mean, Mike? 526 00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:32,729 He's got a corporate secrecy agreement. 527 00:45:32,814 --> 00:45:34,815 Give me a break. 528 00:45:34,899 --> 00:45:38,568 This is a public health issue, like an unsafe air frame on a passengerjet 529 00:45:38,653 --> 00:45:41,905 or some company dumping cyanide into the East River. 530 00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:44,408 Issues like that. He can talk, we can air it. 531 00:45:44,492 --> 00:45:47,828 They've got no right to hide behind a corporate agreement. Pass the milk. 532 00:45:48,162 --> 00:45:50,580 They don't need the right. They got the money. 533 00:45:50,665 --> 00:45:52,165 The unlimited checkbook. 534 00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:56,086 That's how Big Tobacco wins every time on everything. 535 00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:57,796 They spend you to death. 536 00:45:58,047 --> 00:46:01,425 $600 million a year in outside legal. 537 00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:05,429 Chadbourne and Parke, Ken Starr's firm, Kirkland and Ellis. 538 00:46:05,847 --> 00:46:11,268 Listen, GM and Ford, they get nailed after 1 1 or 1 2 pickups blow up, right? 539 00:46:11,352 --> 00:46:14,563 -These clowns have never ever... -MAN: Not even once. 540 00:46:14,647 --> 00:46:17,399 Not even with hundreds of thousands dying each year 541 00:46:17,483 --> 00:46:21,611 from an illness related to their product, have ever lost a personal injury lawsuit. 542 00:46:22,071 --> 00:46:25,699 On this case, they'll issue gag orders, sue for breach, anticipatory breach, 543 00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:30,036 enjoin him, you, us, his pet dog, the dog's veterinarian, 544 00:46:30,329 --> 00:46:32,372 tie 'em up in litigation for 1 0 or 1 5 years. 545 00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:35,041 I'm telling you, they bat a thousand every time. 546 00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:37,335 He knows that. That's why he's not gonna talk to you. 547 00:46:44,552 --> 00:46:48,054 Okay, let's look through the looking glass the other way. 548 00:46:48,598 --> 00:46:49,848 What do you mean? 549 00:46:51,142 --> 00:46:53,226 We got a guy who wants to talk, but he's constrained. 550 00:46:53,728 --> 00:46:57,230 -What if he were compelled to talk? -Oh, torture. Great ratings. 551 00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:58,982 -(CHUCKLES) -What do you mean, "compelled"? 552 00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:02,068 I mean compelled by a Justice Department. 553 00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:04,446 State courts. Be a witness. 554 00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:07,741 That would cut through any confidentiality agreement, wouldn't it? 555 00:47:07,909 --> 00:47:09,826 -What does that do? -What do you mean, what does it do? 556 00:47:09,911 --> 00:47:13,079 What I mean is like, how does it cut through the confidentiality agreement? 557 00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:16,708 Because he has to reveal it in a court of law. 558 00:47:16,792 --> 00:47:19,336 It's on record. It's out. It's no secret anymore. 559 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:23,006 So how can they restrain his speech or retaliate? It's out in the world. 560 00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:25,759 If you could engineer it into the court record, you might have something. 561 00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:27,511 They would have a hell of a time 562 00:47:27,595 --> 00:47:28,845 trying to restrain his speech then, wouldn't they? 563 00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:30,639 Yeah, but what venue? 564 00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:32,766 And where does he get... Does he have killer attorneys? 565 00:47:33,935 --> 00:47:35,852 I don't think he's got any attorneys. 566 00:47:35,937 --> 00:47:39,481 He's gonna need attorneys who aren't afraid of risking years of litigation 567 00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:43,527 and millions of dollars of their own dough in legal costs. 568 00:47:44,362 --> 00:47:46,780 What do you say, Mike? What do you think? 569 00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:51,201 Even if he gets the defense team, 570 00:47:55,915 --> 00:47:57,499 will he go for it? 571 00:48:04,674 --> 00:48:07,467 You're awfully overqualified, Dr. Wigand. 572 00:48:09,845 --> 00:48:11,388 (CLEARS THROAT) 573 00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:16,810 I'm trying to start a new career. 574 00:48:18,813 --> 00:48:21,481 I believe I could be a good teacher. 575 00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:27,195 Let me give it some thought. 576 00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:34,327 And not a lot of companies in the healthcare field 577 00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:36,955 hire ex-tobacco scientists. 578 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:12,365 That's it. 579 00:49:21,292 --> 00:49:23,543 It's where our babies were born. 580 00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:30,759 Debbie took her first steps right there on... 581 00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:33,970 In the grass. 582 00:49:37,391 --> 00:49:40,226 -I didn't plan on this. -Hey, hey, hey. 583 00:49:41,062 --> 00:49:42,896 Come on. Come on. 584 00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:51,071 We can make this work for us, okay? 585 00:49:51,155 --> 00:49:53,198 It's just, it's not... 586 00:49:53,282 --> 00:49:56,326 It's a smaller scale. 587 00:49:56,410 --> 00:50:01,831 Simpler, easier, more time. 588 00:50:01,916 --> 00:50:06,711 More time together, more time with the kids. 589 00:50:06,796 --> 00:50:09,631 More time for us, okay? It's just... 590 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:16,346 Can you imagine me coming home from some job 591 00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:19,057 feeling good at the end of the day? 592 00:50:21,185 --> 00:50:26,523 This is gonna be better. 593 00:50:33,656 --> 00:50:35,115 (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING ON RADIO) 594 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:36,658 (DISHES CLATTERING) 595 00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:49,254 MAN ON RADIO: Love yourhome with beautifuI BroyhiII furniture. 596 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:51,339 (INDISTINCT) 597 00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:53,508 You'II find incredibIe saIe prices 598 00:50:53,592 --> 00:50:55,719 throughout Smith's Broyhill showcase gaIIery, 599 00:50:55,803 --> 00:50:59,055 with extra savings on every styIe for every room in your home. 600 00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:10,442 If you've been putting off decorating that speciaI room, 601 00:51:10,526 --> 00:51:14,487 now's the time to act during the love-your-home sale at Smith's. 602 00:51:15,531 --> 00:51:17,741 -Back to... -WOMAN ON RADIO: Welcome back. 603 00:51:33,299 --> 00:51:35,717 Hey, baby. What's wrong? 604 00:51:35,801 --> 00:51:37,927 Who's that outside, Daddy? 605 00:51:40,139 --> 00:51:41,806 Did you see somebody or did you hear them? 606 00:51:41,891 --> 00:51:43,224 I heard him. 607 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,061 -Where? -In the backyard. 608 00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:07,582 Sit at Daddy's desk, okay? Why don't you sit up at the desk. 609 00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:08,958 All right? (CLEARS THROAT) 610 00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:12,045 Get out some paper, and draw me a picture, okay? 611 00:52:18,385 --> 00:52:22,764 What are you gonna draw me, baby? An animal? Something like that? 612 00:52:23,474 --> 00:52:26,059 You stay down here until Daddy gets back, all right, Barbara? 613 00:52:26,143 --> 00:52:27,352 You stay down here. 614 00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:27,787 You almost got your damn head blown off. 615 00:54:07,453 --> 00:54:09,078 Daddy! 616 00:54:10,581 --> 00:54:14,292 It was just a raccoon, baby. Nothin'. 617 00:54:14,376 --> 00:54:16,920 They're nocturnal. You know what that means? 618 00:54:17,004 --> 00:54:19,464 That means that they only come out at nighttime. 619 00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:29,265 (PHONE RINGING) 620 00:54:32,978 --> 00:54:36,189 -Yeah. -Lowell. Jeffrey Wigand. 621 00:54:37,191 --> 00:54:39,442 ls it too late? 622 00:54:40,152 --> 00:54:42,028 No, no, it's okay. I... 623 00:54:42,363 --> 00:54:46,199 -How's the new pIace? -The new place? New. 624 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:47,909 You okay? 625 00:54:48,535 --> 00:54:50,119 Sure. 626 00:54:50,204 --> 00:54:53,665 I was thinking of caIIing you tomorrow anyway. 627 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,085 How's your kids handling the new house? 628 00:54:57,169 --> 00:54:58,169 Good. 629 00:54:58,671 --> 00:55:01,339 -You got kids? -We have a coupIe. 630 00:55:01,757 --> 00:55:05,510 One's hers, one's mine. Everybody uses a different name. 631 00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:07,303 Modern marriage. 632 00:55:08,514 --> 00:55:09,847 How's Liane? 633 00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:13,685 She's okay. 634 00:55:15,104 --> 00:55:16,771 Hold on a minute. 635 00:55:23,737 --> 00:55:27,824 Lowell, somebody may be following me. I don't know. 636 00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:29,617 They came on the property. 637 00:55:29,702 --> 00:55:32,704 What do you mean, following you? Did you call the police? 638 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,581 I don't wanna be paranoid. I mean... 639 00:55:36,083 --> 00:55:38,084 Maybe it's a game. Some kind of mind game. 640 00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:39,419 What do you really think? 641 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,671 I don't know what the fuck I really think. 642 00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:45,174 Are they doing it? Is some crank doing it? 643 00:55:45,259 --> 00:55:46,759 Are they doing it to make me feel paranoid? 644 00:55:47,011 --> 00:55:49,637 Are they doing it for reaI and don't give a shit what I think? I don't know. 645 00:55:49,972 --> 00:55:51,097 I don't fuckin' know. 646 00:55:51,223 --> 00:55:54,475 Jeffrey, describe for me in detail what happened. 647 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,853 Well... 648 00:55:56,937 --> 00:56:00,481 No. Look, I mean, there was a footprint. Forget it. 649 00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:04,110 It's probabIy not important at aII. You know, I got a job now. 650 00:56:04,445 --> 00:56:07,572 I'm teaching high school. Japanese and chemistry. 651 00:56:10,868 --> 00:56:13,077 So what were you calling about? 652 00:56:13,162 --> 00:56:14,454 You called me. 653 00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:16,247 No, you said you were gonna call me tomorrow. 654 00:56:16,331 --> 00:56:18,750 -So, what about? -Oh, yes, yes, yes. I did. 655 00:56:18,834 --> 00:56:20,501 I wanted to talk to you. I wanted to hook up with you, 656 00:56:20,586 --> 00:56:23,713 taIk to you about what we were taIking about in your car. 657 00:56:27,051 --> 00:56:28,134 Okay. 658 00:56:28,802 --> 00:56:31,888 It makes you feel good, putting what you know to use? 659 00:56:34,475 --> 00:56:37,226 -How'd you know that, Lowell? -It's obvious, isn't it? 660 00:56:40,689 --> 00:56:42,648 HeIIo? Are you there? 661 00:56:43,025 --> 00:56:44,567 Yeah. 662 00:56:45,652 --> 00:56:47,695 Look... 663 00:56:48,155 --> 00:56:51,282 Thanks for talking. I'm sorry I woke you up. I didn't know... 664 00:56:51,992 --> 00:56:53,576 It's okay. 665 00:56:59,625 --> 00:57:01,292 (PHONE RINGING) 666 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:04,587 Lowell. 667 00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:06,214 (STATIC ON PHONE LINE) 668 00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:08,341 Who is this? 669 00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:11,094 Do not call here! Do not... 670 00:57:11,178 --> 00:57:12,678 (DIAL TONE) 671 00:57:20,479 --> 00:57:22,355 (WIGAND SPEAKING JAPANESE) 672 00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:26,609 (WAITRESS SPEAKING JAPANESE) 673 00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:38,496 -What are you gonna get us? -Tempura. 674 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:40,164 (LAUGHING) 675 00:57:44,044 --> 00:57:46,337 The Internet said you did graduate work at Wisconsin, 676 00:57:46,421 --> 00:57:50,383 then went to UC La Jolla with Professor Herbert? Marcus... 677 00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,135 -Marcuse. -Yeah. 678 00:57:52,219 --> 00:57:54,679 He was my mentor. 679 00:57:54,763 --> 00:57:58,141 He had a major influence on the New Left in the late '60s. 680 00:57:58,225 --> 00:58:00,935 -And on me, personally. -Next to your father? 681 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,022 My father? What the hell's that got to do with my father? 682 00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:09,485 I, uh... (CLEARS THROAT) 683 00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:13,406 Is that why you became a journalist? Then you get to ask all the questions? 684 00:58:13,866 --> 00:58:15,324 You charge by the hour? 685 00:58:17,077 --> 00:58:19,662 My father was a (CLEARS THROAT) mechanical engineer. 686 00:58:19,746 --> 00:58:22,039 Most ingenious man I ever knew. 687 00:58:22,124 --> 00:58:24,000 My father left us when I was five-years-old. 688 00:58:24,084 --> 00:58:25,751 He was not the most ingenious man I ever knew. 689 00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,879 Let's get back to Brown and Williamson. 690 00:58:28,922 --> 00:58:30,548 If you decide to go on 60 Minutes, 691 00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:33,801 I gotta know everything about why you were fired. 692 00:58:34,511 --> 00:58:35,553 Why? 693 00:58:36,555 --> 00:58:38,347 They're gonna dig up stuff from your past, 694 00:58:38,432 --> 00:58:40,725 they're gonna throw it at you. I gotta know what they're gonna throw. 695 00:58:41,727 --> 00:58:43,227 You understand? 696 00:58:46,607 --> 00:58:48,608 I drink. 697 00:58:48,692 --> 00:58:50,693 Couple of occasions, more than I should have. 698 00:58:50,777 --> 00:58:52,069 Mmm-hmm. 699 00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:58,075 I was cited for shoplifting once, but it was a mistake. 700 00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:02,538 Pushed Liane one time. 701 00:59:02,623 --> 00:59:03,998 We were both stressed out because of the pressure. 702 00:59:04,082 --> 00:59:06,584 She went to her mother's. (CLEARS THROAT) 703 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:09,378 I got fired 704 00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:12,465 because when I get angry, I have difficulty censoring myself, 705 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:15,134 and I don't like to be pushed around. 706 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,429 I'm not pushing you around. I'm asking you questions. 707 00:59:21,516 --> 00:59:24,560 I'm just a commodity to you, aren't I? 708 00:59:24,645 --> 00:59:26,062 I could be anything, right? 709 00:59:26,146 --> 00:59:27,897 Anything worth putting on between commercials. 710 00:59:27,981 --> 00:59:29,982 To a network, probably we're all commodities. 711 00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:32,318 To me, you're not a commodity. What you are is important. 712 00:59:34,655 --> 00:59:37,823 You go public, and 30 million people hear what you gotta say, 713 00:59:37,908 --> 00:59:41,494 nothing, I mean nothing, will ever be the same again. 714 00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:42,662 You believe that? 715 00:59:42,746 --> 00:59:44,121 -No. -You should. 716 00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:45,915 Because when you're done, 717 00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:49,710 the judgment is gonna go down in the court of public opinion, my friend. 718 00:59:51,046 --> 00:59:52,964 And that's the power you have. 719 00:59:54,258 --> 00:59:57,510 -You believe that? -I believe that? Yes, I believe that. 720 00:59:57,844 --> 00:59:59,762 You believe that because you get information out to people, 721 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:01,389 -something happens? -Yes. 722 01:00:01,515 --> 01:00:03,641 Maybe that's just what you've been telling yourself all these years 723 01:00:03,725 --> 01:00:05,142 to justify having a good job. 724 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,020 Having status. 725 01:00:08,647 --> 01:00:10,147 Maybe for the audience, it's just voyeurism. 726 01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:11,357 Something to do on a Sunday night. 727 01:00:11,525 --> 01:00:13,651 Maybe it won't change a fuckin' thing, 728 01:00:13,735 --> 01:00:16,153 and people like myself and my family 729 01:00:16,238 --> 01:00:20,116 are left hung out to dry, used up, broke, alone. 730 01:00:20,659 --> 01:00:23,286 Are you talking to me, or did somebody else just walk in here? I never... 731 01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:25,162 (BOTH TALKING AT ONCE) 732 01:00:25,247 --> 01:00:29,208 Don't evade a choice you gotta make by questioning my reputation 733 01:00:29,293 --> 01:00:31,544 or 60 Minutes with this cheap skepticism. 734 01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:34,797 I have to put my family's welfare on the line here, my friend. 735 01:00:34,881 --> 01:00:36,257 What are you putting up? You're putting up words. 736 01:00:36,341 --> 01:00:37,341 "Words." 737 01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:40,636 While you've been dicking around some fucking company golf tournaments, 738 01:00:40,721 --> 01:00:45,057 I've been out in the world givin' my word and backing it up with action. 739 01:00:50,355 --> 01:00:53,024 Now, are you gonna go and do this thing or not? 740 01:00:55,694 --> 01:00:57,987 I said I'd call the kids before they went to bed. 741 01:00:59,072 --> 01:01:00,573 (SPEAKS JAPANESE) 742 01:01:11,626 --> 01:01:12,877 BERGMAN: Stringer was supposed to be shooting 743 01:01:12,961 --> 01:01:14,795 B-roll on street cops in New Orleans. 744 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,130 What's with all the horses? 745 01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:18,174 MAN: Camera guy's got a thing about mounted police. 746 01:01:18,550 --> 01:01:21,969 Don't any of these guys ride in cars? Walk? 747 01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:24,096 -How long are these things? -What was he saying? 748 01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:26,640 Hello. Yes, I'm trying to reach Mr. Richard Scruggs. 749 01:01:27,851 --> 01:01:29,310 This is Richard Scruggs. 750 01:01:29,811 --> 01:01:31,354 Can you hold on a second, please? 751 01:01:31,438 --> 01:01:33,356 Lowell, got him on the phone. 752 01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:38,361 Hello, I'm Lowell Bergman. 753 01:01:38,653 --> 01:01:44,325 Hold on. Mobile Approach, this is Leo-November-643. Over. 754 01:01:44,409 --> 01:01:46,118 (INDISTINCT CHATTER ON RADIO) 755 01:01:46,787 --> 01:01:51,207 Request a flight level of 220 on a heading of 284 degrees. Over. 756 01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,168 Mr. Bergman? 757 01:01:54,628 --> 01:01:56,962 Yes, I'm right here. Could you call me back on a hard line? 758 01:01:57,297 --> 01:01:58,339 All right. 759 01:01:58,465 --> 01:02:02,385 Area code 21 2-555-01 99. 760 01:02:02,469 --> 01:02:03,636 I'll call you then. 761 01:02:10,018 --> 01:02:11,560 (BERGMAN MUTTERING) 762 01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:13,396 -What do we do with that? -I don't know. 763 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,897 (PHONE RINGING) 764 01:02:15,232 --> 01:02:16,816 Richard Scruggs. 765 01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:20,152 You filed a lawsuit against tobacco on behalf of the State of Mississippi. 766 01:02:20,529 --> 01:02:22,405 -Did you not? -That's right. 767 01:02:22,489 --> 01:02:23,739 I'm working with someone now 768 01:02:23,824 --> 01:02:27,034 who's the former head of research at Brown and Williamson. 769 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:29,328 Former corporate officer there. 770 01:02:29,830 --> 01:02:31,664 What's your interest in this, Mr. Bergman? 771 01:02:32,624 --> 01:02:34,375 Well, he may tape an interview with us, 772 01:02:34,459 --> 01:02:37,795 and we believe if his testimony showed up in a court record first, 773 01:02:38,046 --> 01:02:39,797 it wouId free him up from his confidentiaIity agreement 774 01:02:39,881 --> 01:02:41,715 and give him some protection. 775 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,718 It could work. If it's public record, it's public record. 776 01:02:44,803 --> 01:02:47,096 Yeah, and he's gonna need IegaI representation. 777 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:48,889 (CHUCKLING) He sure as hell will. 778 01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:51,934 Has he decided to go public? 779 01:02:52,227 --> 01:02:55,521 Because Iet me teII ya, we been doin' this for three years now, 780 01:02:55,605 --> 01:02:57,314 and we've worked with a Iot of corporate cases 781 01:02:57,399 --> 01:02:58,399 invoIving whistIe-bIowers. 782 01:02:58,817 --> 01:03:02,069 So we know Big Tobacco will do everything in their power to stop him. 783 01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:05,239 So is your man truly committed? 784 01:03:05,323 --> 01:03:08,451 Well, actually, no. He's on the fence. That's the point. 785 01:03:11,288 --> 01:03:14,790 Well, we'd certainly be interested in making his acquaintance. 786 01:03:14,875 --> 01:03:16,750 But without knowing what he's gonna do... 787 01:03:17,586 --> 01:03:20,129 Would you want him to call you, or you wanna call him? 788 01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:21,297 How do you wanna do it? 789 01:03:21,381 --> 01:03:23,632 lt would be better if he called us. 790 01:03:23,717 --> 01:03:25,676 -Yeah. Okay. -AII right? 791 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,887 Okay, thank you. Shit. 792 01:03:32,476 --> 01:03:34,602 We need cops on the streets. We don't need them on horses. 793 01:03:34,769 --> 01:03:36,520 -I don't know what he was thinking. -For God's sake. 794 01:03:36,605 --> 01:03:38,397 -This guy got a horse fetish? -All right, all right. 795 01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:40,816 Get me to New Orleans this afternoon. 796 01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:44,069 I'll shoot the fucking thing myself! 797 01:03:44,738 --> 01:03:46,655 -Have a good one. -MAN: All right. 798 01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:49,074 (MAN CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY ON RADIO) 799 01:04:08,136 --> 01:04:09,303 BARBARA: What are you cooking? 800 01:04:09,554 --> 01:04:12,890 -I'm cooking pasta primavera. -Oh, I love that stuff. 801 01:04:12,974 --> 01:04:14,558 (BEEPING) 802 01:04:17,062 --> 01:04:19,438 I'm going to have to go downstairs. 803 01:04:21,316 --> 01:04:28,697 (BEEPING CONTINUES) 804 01:04:36,915 --> 01:04:38,832 (CLICKS MOUSE, BEEPING STOPS) 805 01:04:51,054 --> 01:04:52,346 Jeffrey! 806 01:05:14,828 --> 01:05:19,623 Jeffrey! Jeffrey! 807 01:05:48,903 --> 01:05:50,029 BERGMAN: What happened? 808 01:05:50,113 --> 01:05:52,448 Dispatcher received a call of shots fired in the area. 809 01:05:52,532 --> 01:05:57,202 Uniforms arrived on the scene, found this white male subject shot to death. 810 01:05:57,412 --> 01:05:59,121 Was it gang-related? 811 01:05:59,205 --> 01:06:02,499 There's no indication as far as a tag or an advertisement. 812 01:06:02,584 --> 01:06:03,917 (PHONE RINGING) 813 01:06:05,629 --> 01:06:07,963 -(PHONE BEEPS) -Yeah. 814 01:06:09,507 --> 01:06:12,217 They're terrorizing us. Death threats. My family, my kids. 815 01:06:12,844 --> 01:06:14,011 What are you talking about? 816 01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:15,721 Someone put a bullet in my mailbox. 817 01:06:16,139 --> 01:06:19,892 -Jeff, call the FBI right away. -They do this with impunity. 818 01:06:20,185 --> 01:06:21,185 Jeff... 819 01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:22,686 They get to go home at night. 820 01:06:22,771 --> 01:06:25,439 What does it cost these people to do this to us? Nothing! 821 01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,902 My girls are crying. So fuck them. 822 01:06:30,070 --> 01:06:32,154 -I wanna tape. I'm done... -I heard you. 823 01:06:32,238 --> 01:06:34,406 I gotta arrange for a legal defense first. 824 01:06:34,908 --> 01:06:38,035 I gotta get you to testify in court, get it on pubIic record. 825 01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:40,871 Then hold it off the air until you got that, but I wanna go to New York, 826 01:06:40,955 --> 01:06:43,374 and I wanna go on the record right now. 827 01:06:44,584 --> 01:06:46,001 Good. But, Jeff... 828 01:06:46,252 --> 01:06:48,003 I'll call them, Lowell. 829 01:06:49,923 --> 01:06:51,131 (PHONE BEEPS) 830 01:06:53,385 --> 01:06:54,718 Did you handle the round, Mr. Wigand? 831 01:06:57,222 --> 01:06:58,472 Yes, I'm afraid I did. 832 01:06:59,265 --> 01:07:01,225 We won't be able to lift usable prints. 833 01:07:03,603 --> 01:07:04,853 Do you own a gun, Mr. Wigand? 834 01:07:07,273 --> 01:07:09,483 -A gun? Yes. -What caliber is your gun? 835 01:07:11,778 --> 01:07:12,903 What caliber is my gun? 836 01:07:13,405 --> 01:07:15,864 Yes, sir. What caliber is your gun? 837 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:18,951 What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? 838 01:07:19,035 --> 01:07:20,494 (CRYING) 839 01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:25,124 You think I put the bullet in the mailbox myself? 840 01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:28,127 If we could take a look, Mr. Wigand. 841 01:07:41,891 --> 01:07:43,100 Why do you keep this gun? 842 01:07:43,184 --> 01:07:47,146 I don't think it's unconstitutional yet to own a gun. I'm a target shooter. 843 01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:50,607 That bullet was for a .38 caliber. Do you own a .38? 844 01:07:50,692 --> 01:07:53,444 Yes, I do. A .38 Target Master in my gun safe downstairs. 845 01:07:53,528 --> 01:07:57,114 A .45 Gold Cup, a .22 target pistol. So what? 846 01:07:58,658 --> 01:08:01,493 Do you have a history of emotional problems, Mr. Wigand? 847 01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:03,704 Yeah. Yes, I do. 848 01:08:03,788 --> 01:08:07,499 Yes, I get extremely emotional when assholes put bullets in my mailbox. 849 01:08:08,042 --> 01:08:11,420 I didn't tell you that so you could pick it up and take it away. 850 01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:12,671 Jeffrey! 851 01:08:12,964 --> 01:08:14,047 What's going on? 852 01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,717 I told them you had an e-mail death threat that told you 853 01:08:16,801 --> 01:08:18,302 if you didn't shut the "F" up, they were gonna kill you. 854 01:08:18,386 --> 01:08:19,845 You can't take that. It's personal property. 855 01:08:20,263 --> 01:08:23,390 My personal correspondence, letters to my brother, my will. 856 01:08:23,475 --> 01:08:24,600 (ENGINE STARTING) 857 01:08:30,148 --> 01:08:31,565 (COUGHING) 858 01:08:36,196 --> 01:08:37,529 You all right? 859 01:08:42,535 --> 01:08:44,495 (DOG BARKING) 860 01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:49,792 That computer has every single... 861 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,711 AGENT: You all right, Mr. Wigand? 862 01:08:52,921 --> 01:08:55,547 We need to take a look at your gun safe, Mr. Wigand. 863 01:09:12,941 --> 01:09:17,361 I'm telling you your agents in that office are acting improperly. 864 01:09:17,445 --> 01:09:18,695 Now who are they trying to protect? 865 01:09:19,072 --> 01:09:20,656 Let me tell you something, Lowell. Look, look. 866 01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:23,158 You're talking about two agents in a regional office in Louisville. 867 01:09:23,243 --> 01:09:27,246 I got the goddamned Unabomber threatening to blow up LAX. 868 01:09:27,622 --> 01:09:30,624 I gotta move 45 agents from aII over the country into LA. 869 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,626 All right? When I get a chance, I'll give it a look. 870 01:09:32,710 --> 01:09:35,671 You better take a good look because I'm getting two things. 871 01:09:35,755 --> 01:09:38,048 Pissed off and curious! 872 01:09:38,132 --> 01:09:42,636 Any of these guys been offered jobs in corporate security after they retire? 873 01:09:42,846 --> 01:09:46,306 Either one of those guys got ex-agent pals already in those jobs? 874 01:09:46,391 --> 01:09:49,685 Like, for instance, their ex-supervisor who's already at Brown and Williamson 875 01:09:49,769 --> 01:09:51,144 as we fuckin' speak! 876 01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:52,771 I'll give it a look. 877 01:09:52,981 --> 01:09:54,940 -You're getting my drift? -I'II give it a Iook. 878 01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:58,902 BERGMAN: So is everything okay? 879 01:10:00,989 --> 01:10:03,282 -How are the rooms? Comfortable? -Yes, very. 880 01:10:04,242 --> 01:10:07,202 Do you know, I enjoy your work so much. 881 01:10:07,287 --> 01:10:10,831 When you're talkin' to somebody, I always feel like I'm right there. 882 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,958 (CHUCKLING) Thank you for saying that. 883 01:10:13,835 --> 01:10:15,210 Do you think we could talk about the taping? 884 01:10:15,837 --> 01:10:17,087 Tomorrow's taping? 885 01:10:17,171 --> 01:10:19,673 Just so we can get it out of the way and order. 886 01:10:20,258 --> 01:10:23,552 Yeah, well, questions will go towards what work you did there, 887 01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:26,138 -why you were fired and other... -Taping? 888 01:10:31,102 --> 01:10:32,227 What are you taping? 889 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,147 I'm doin' an interview. 890 01:10:38,276 --> 01:10:39,902 An interview? 891 01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:50,162 Do you know what they will do to us? I thought we... 892 01:10:54,542 --> 01:10:55,584 I'm sorry. 893 01:10:56,669 --> 01:10:58,629 Liane, this is a preliminary... 894 01:11:08,139 --> 01:11:10,015 You didn't tell her we were taping? 895 01:11:11,434 --> 01:11:13,268 What did she think she was coming to New York for? 896 01:11:15,313 --> 01:11:18,690 Talk about it, think about it. I had a plan to ease her into it, 897 01:11:18,775 --> 01:11:20,859 but I really don't know how to do that. 898 01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:29,201 Oh, man. 899 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,666 Who are these people? 900 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,713 Ordinary people under extraordinary pressure, Mike. 901 01:11:43,716 --> 01:11:46,385 What the hell you expect, grace and consistency? 902 01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:13,745 (CREW CHATTERING) 903 01:12:15,164 --> 01:12:18,750 STAGE MANAGER: Five, four, three, two... 904 01:12:20,294 --> 01:12:24,006 WALLACE: You heard Mr. Sandefur say before Congress 905 01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:27,342 that he believed nicotine was not addictive. 906 01:12:27,427 --> 01:12:30,387 I believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself 907 01:12:30,471 --> 01:12:32,389 because I watched those testimonies very carefully. 908 01:12:32,473 --> 01:12:34,182 WALLACE: All of us did. 909 01:12:34,267 --> 01:12:36,685 I mean, there was this whole line of people, 910 01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:39,229 whole line of CEOs up there, all swearing. 911 01:12:39,313 --> 01:12:43,191 Part of the reason I'm here is that I felt 912 01:12:43,276 --> 01:12:45,861 that their representation clearly misstated, 913 01:12:45,945 --> 01:12:47,904 at least within Brown and Williamson's representation, 914 01:12:47,989 --> 01:12:52,284 clearly misstated what is common language within the company. 915 01:12:52,368 --> 01:12:54,536 We are in the nicotine delivery business. 916 01:12:55,288 --> 01:12:56,621 And that's what cigarettes are for. 917 01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:58,874 Delivery device for nicotine. 918 01:12:58,958 --> 01:13:01,209 A delivery device for nicotine. 919 01:13:01,294 --> 01:13:04,087 Put it in your mouth, light it up and you're going to get your fix. 920 01:13:04,255 --> 01:13:05,380 You're gonna get your fix. 921 01:13:06,132 --> 01:13:09,092 You're saying that Brown and Williamson 922 01:13:09,177 --> 01:13:12,012 manipulates and adjusts the nicotine fix 923 01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:16,892 not by artificially adding nicotine, but by enhancing the effect of nicotine 924 01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:21,063 through the use of chemical elements such as ammonia. 925 01:13:21,939 --> 01:13:23,940 The process is known as impact boosting. 926 01:13:24,734 --> 01:13:28,779 While not spiking nicotine, they clearly manipulate it. 927 01:13:29,989 --> 01:13:31,615 There is extensive use of this technology, 928 01:13:31,699 --> 01:13:32,991 known as ammonia chemistry. 929 01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:38,163 It allows for the nicotine to be more rapidly absorbed in the lung 930 01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:40,540 and therefore affect the brain and central nervous system. 931 01:13:45,004 --> 01:13:46,588 The straw that broke the camel's back for me 932 01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:48,548 and really put me in trouble with Sandefur, 933 01:13:48,633 --> 01:13:51,551 was a compound called "coumarin." 934 01:13:51,636 --> 01:13:53,553 When I came on board at BandW, 935 01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:58,266 they had tried to transition from coumarin to a similar flavor 936 01:13:58,351 --> 01:14:00,310 that would give the same taste and had been unsuccessful. 937 01:14:02,063 --> 01:14:03,897 I wanted it out immediately. 938 01:14:03,981 --> 01:14:08,527 I was told that it would affect sales, so I should mind my own business. 939 01:14:09,862 --> 01:14:13,115 I constructed a memo to Mr. Sandefur indicating I could not in conscience 940 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,700 continue with coumarin in a product that we now knew, 941 01:14:15,785 --> 01:14:17,619 we had documentation, 942 01:14:17,703 --> 01:14:20,372 was similar to Coumadin, a lung-specific carcinogen. 943 01:14:20,456 --> 01:14:22,374 And you sent the document forward to Sandefur? 944 01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:24,918 I sent the document forward to Sandefur. 945 01:14:25,002 --> 01:14:27,379 I was told that we would continue to work on a substitute. 946 01:14:28,214 --> 01:14:29,297 We weren't going to remove it 947 01:14:29,382 --> 01:14:32,467 as it would impact sales and that that was his decision. 948 01:14:32,552 --> 01:14:37,139 In other words, you are charging Sandefur and Brown and Williamson 949 01:14:37,223 --> 01:14:39,558 with ignoring health considerations consciously? 950 01:14:42,061 --> 01:14:43,228 Most certainly. 951 01:14:43,312 --> 01:14:44,646 And on March 24, 952 01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:49,860 Thomas Sandefur, CEO of Brown and Williamson, had you fired. 953 01:14:52,655 --> 01:14:54,573 And the reason he gave you? 954 01:14:56,617 --> 01:14:58,451 Poor communication skills. 955 01:15:01,038 --> 01:15:03,165 And you wish you hadn't come forward? 956 01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:06,751 You wish you hadn't blown the whistle? 957 01:15:08,796 --> 01:15:11,173 Yeah, there are times I wish I hadn't done it. 958 01:15:13,092 --> 01:15:16,386 There are times I feel compelled to do it. 959 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:22,767 If you'd asked me, would I do it again, do I think it's worth it? 960 01:15:26,898 --> 01:15:28,481 Yeah, I think it's worth it. 961 01:15:48,502 --> 01:15:49,961 (CHATTERING) 962 01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:01,473 (CHATTERING SUBSIDES) 963 01:16:02,183 --> 01:16:04,768 -Hi. -STUDENTS: Hi. 964 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,812 My name is Jeff Wigand. 965 01:16:10,358 --> 01:16:14,694 You can call me "Mr. Wigand," you can call me "Dr. Wigand." 966 01:16:14,779 --> 01:16:18,281 I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and endocrinology. 967 01:16:18,366 --> 01:16:20,283 You can call me "Jeff." 968 01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:25,247 Anything else you want to call me, you'll have to do so in private. 969 01:16:25,331 --> 01:16:26,581 (LAUGHTER) 970 01:16:26,666 --> 01:16:28,833 Um, okay. 971 01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:34,047 I find chemistry to be magical. I find it an adventure. 972 01:16:34,131 --> 01:16:38,301 An exploration into the building blocks of our physical universe. 973 01:16:38,386 --> 01:16:40,887 So how many of you have taken chemistry before? 974 01:16:43,849 --> 01:16:46,810 Okay, I've never taught it before, so we're gonna be fine. 975 01:16:46,894 --> 01:16:49,271 Our first experiment is gonna be 976 01:16:49,355 --> 01:16:51,690 measuring the molecular weight of butane. 977 01:16:53,985 --> 01:16:56,611 He's on line three. 978 01:16:57,113 --> 01:16:58,780 (STUDENTS CHATTERING) 979 01:16:59,949 --> 01:17:04,286 -Hello? -Mr. Scruggs? Jeff Wigand. 980 01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:05,829 Lowell Bergman said I should give you a call. 981 01:17:06,664 --> 01:17:08,707 My co-counsel, Ron Motley and I, 982 01:17:08,791 --> 01:17:10,500 have filed a lawsuit against the tobacco industry 983 01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:11,793 on behalf of the State of Mississippi 984 01:17:12,378 --> 01:17:14,796 to get the state reimbursed Medicaid costs 985 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,007 for treatin' peopIe with smoking-reIated iIIness. 986 01:17:18,551 --> 01:17:22,387 If you'd be interested in talkin' to us, we'd certainly like to talk to you. 987 01:17:25,266 --> 01:17:26,599 When should we do this? 988 01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:52,792 Who the hell are you? What are you doing in my house? 989 01:17:52,877 --> 01:17:55,420 -It's okay, Jeff. It's okay. -Mr. Wigand, you need to speak to... 990 01:17:56,505 --> 01:17:58,882 You've got your own security now. 991 01:18:02,428 --> 01:18:04,846 You know, Lowell, I can't afford to. 992 01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:08,308 No, they're volunteered. A friend owns a large security company. 993 01:18:09,602 --> 01:18:11,936 How're you doing, Mr. Wigand? I'm John Telafarro. 994 01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,856 There'll be three of us on the detail. 995 01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:16,399 I'm going to the store. 996 01:18:16,484 --> 01:18:19,110 Please explain our new houseguests to your children. 997 01:18:20,738 --> 01:18:24,115 -Mrs. Wigand's leaving the house. -(DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) 998 01:18:28,287 --> 01:18:30,872 I called Richard Scruggs in Mississippi. 999 01:18:31,165 --> 01:18:32,457 I heard. 1000 01:18:33,501 --> 01:18:35,794 I'm gonna be a witness for them in their litigation. 1001 01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:36,961 (BEEPING) 1002 01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:39,923 So I'm gonna fly to Pascagoula, give a deposition. 1003 01:18:40,424 --> 01:18:42,384 I know. I'm gonna go there tonight. 1004 01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:46,513 WIGAND: You all right? 1005 01:18:46,597 --> 01:18:49,140 -Did you have a good day? -Yes, I did. I had a great day. 1006 01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:52,394 -Coffee, Lowell? -Yeah, all right. 1007 01:18:52,478 --> 01:18:54,771 Wanna play that game we were playing before? 1008 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,690 You know, I think you got it up to five. 1009 01:18:57,775 --> 01:18:59,984 I was ahead of you, and then you just... 1010 01:19:00,486 --> 01:19:01,903 (WATER RUNNING) 1011 01:19:21,841 --> 01:19:24,342 Please don't wash your hands in the sink. 1012 01:19:24,885 --> 01:19:27,429 Where should I wash them? 1013 01:19:27,513 --> 01:19:29,597 Use the bathroom. 1014 01:19:29,682 --> 01:19:31,766 What's the difference? 1015 01:19:31,851 --> 01:19:33,810 That's for food. 1016 01:19:38,357 --> 01:19:39,774 (TURNS OFF WATER) 1017 01:19:47,366 --> 01:19:49,909 Leave it on. Just leave it on! Okay? 1018 01:20:47,927 --> 01:20:50,136 I don't think I can do this. 1019 01:20:56,268 --> 01:20:58,645 I want to stand by my husband. 1020 01:20:58,729 --> 01:21:01,064 I really do, Jeffrey, but... 1021 01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:05,276 I don't think I can do this anymore. 1022 01:21:08,531 --> 01:21:10,448 I am so sorry. 1023 01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:32,845 Can we talk about this when I get back? 1024 01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,144 Yes, Jeffrey. 1025 01:22:36,243 --> 01:22:38,202 -TELAFARRO: It's okay. -(MAN CHATTERING ON PA) 1026 01:22:52,051 --> 01:22:53,718 Jeff! 1027 01:22:58,015 --> 01:22:59,932 You've been served. 1028 01:23:12,237 --> 01:23:14,947 Now, what this one is, is a temporary restraining order, 1029 01:23:15,032 --> 01:23:18,159 a gag order, issued by a Kentucky court. 1030 01:23:18,243 --> 01:23:20,828 Jeff Wigand, Michael Moore. 1031 01:23:21,246 --> 01:23:22,997 Good to meet you, Dr. Wigand. 1032 01:23:23,082 --> 01:23:24,916 Mike's our attorney general down here. 1033 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,460 I was just explaining to Jeff they got a Kentucky court 1034 01:23:27,544 --> 01:23:30,046 to issue a gag order to stop his deposition today. 1035 01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:32,090 -Right. -Now, 1036 01:23:32,174 --> 01:23:34,842 they tried to get the Mississippi court to honor it, 1037 01:23:34,927 --> 01:23:36,594 but the judge threw it out. 1038 01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:41,474 However, for you, there is a more perilous effect of the gag order. 1039 01:23:42,518 --> 01:23:46,145 Dr. Wigand, you do understand what can happen, don't you? 1040 01:23:48,607 --> 01:23:52,110 I'm not free to testify, here. 1041 01:23:52,903 --> 01:23:55,530 That's right. If you violate the Kentucky order, 1042 01:23:55,614 --> 01:23:57,865 when you step foot back in Kentucky 1043 01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:00,993 they can find you in contempt and they can incarcerate you. 1044 01:24:01,078 --> 01:24:02,995 And you ought to know that. 1045 01:24:06,625 --> 01:24:08,876 -Jail. -Possibly, yes. 1046 01:24:08,961 --> 01:24:10,712 That is one of the possible consequences 1047 01:24:10,796 --> 01:24:13,339 of your testifying here today. That's right. 1048 01:24:19,221 --> 01:24:21,597 How does one go to jail? 1049 01:24:22,641 --> 01:24:24,517 What does my family do? 1050 01:24:26,395 --> 01:24:28,688 Go on welfare? 1051 01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:32,066 If my wife has to work, who's gonna look after the kids? 1052 01:24:32,151 --> 01:24:34,819 Put food on the table? I mean, my children need me. 1053 01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:36,904 If I'm not teaching, there's no medical. 1054 01:24:36,989 --> 01:24:41,033 No medical, even on co-pay, that's like, tuition... 1055 01:24:41,118 --> 01:24:43,828 Dr. Wigand, listen. 1056 01:24:43,912 --> 01:24:46,330 You may not be able to do this thing. 1057 01:24:46,415 --> 01:24:49,208 As I understand from Dick, you're our key witness, 1058 01:24:49,835 --> 01:24:52,462 and I hope you don't withdraw. 1059 01:24:53,255 --> 01:24:55,757 I guess we'd all understand if you did. 1060 01:24:56,425 --> 01:24:58,676 Guys, I gotta go. I'm gonna be late for court. 1061 01:24:58,761 --> 01:25:02,138 I'll see y'all later. Dr. Wigand, good luck. 1062 01:25:06,894 --> 01:25:09,520 (DOOR SLIDES OPEN, CLOSES) 1063 01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:14,734 I know what you're facing, Jeff. 1064 01:25:14,818 --> 01:25:16,778 And I think I know how you're feeling. 1065 01:25:18,363 --> 01:25:21,866 In the Navy, I flew A-6's off carriers. 1066 01:25:22,701 --> 01:25:26,204 In combat, events have a duration of seconds. 1067 01:25:26,455 --> 01:25:28,623 Sometimes minutes. 1068 01:25:28,707 --> 01:25:31,667 But what you're going through goes on day in, day out, 1069 01:25:31,752 --> 01:25:33,878 whether you're ready for it or not. 1070 01:25:33,962 --> 01:25:35,755 Week in, week out. 1071 01:25:35,839 --> 01:25:38,633 Month after month after month. 1072 01:25:38,717 --> 01:25:42,178 Whether you're up or whether you're down. 1073 01:25:42,262 --> 01:25:45,306 You're assaulted psychologically. 1074 01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:47,809 You're assaulted financially, 1075 01:25:47,893 --> 01:25:51,229 which is its own special kind of violence because it's directed at your kids. 1076 01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,649 What school can you afford? 1077 01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:57,443 How will that affect their lives? 1078 01:25:57,528 --> 01:26:01,405 You're asking yourself, "Will that limit what they may become?" 1079 01:26:02,741 --> 01:26:05,326 You feel your whole family's future is compromised, 1080 01:26:05,410 --> 01:26:07,995 held hostage. 1081 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,206 I do know how it is. 1082 01:26:25,347 --> 01:26:26,806 You attract a crowd. 1083 01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:28,808 Yeah. Great. 1084 01:26:30,602 --> 01:26:33,646 I heard about the Kentucky gag order. 1085 01:26:37,484 --> 01:26:39,944 I don't know what to do. 1086 01:27:19,234 --> 01:27:20,985 (REPORTERS CHATTERING) 1087 01:27:25,282 --> 01:27:26,991 (REPORTERS SHOUTING QUESTIONS) 1088 01:27:35,792 --> 01:27:39,337 (CROWD CHATTERING, LAUGHING) 1089 01:27:42,215 --> 01:27:44,342 Hold on a second. 1090 01:27:45,677 --> 01:27:49,722 Would you please ask Mr. Motley if he expects his witness to appear or not? 1091 01:27:54,186 --> 01:27:56,479 (MAN CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY ON POLICE RADIO) 1092 01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:20,169 I can't seem to find the criteria to decide. 1093 01:28:22,381 --> 01:28:25,549 It's too big a decision to make without being resolved in my own mind. 1094 01:28:27,970 --> 01:28:30,012 Maybe things have changed. 1095 01:28:52,077 --> 01:28:54,036 A lot's changed. 1096 01:28:59,418 --> 01:29:01,419 You mean since this morning? 1097 01:29:03,714 --> 01:29:06,924 No, I mean since whenever. 1098 01:29:13,140 --> 01:29:14,682 Fuck it. 1099 01:29:15,976 --> 01:29:17,768 Let's go to court. 1100 01:29:18,603 --> 01:29:20,479 SCRUGGS: Dr. Wigand would like to leave now. 1101 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:23,107 -(OFFICERS CHATTERING) -(ENGINES STARTING) 1102 01:30:59,788 --> 01:31:01,705 (NO AUDIO) 1103 01:31:11,091 --> 01:31:12,633 (REPORTERS SHOUTING QUESTIONS) 1104 01:31:28,275 --> 01:31:29,817 (ALL CHATTERING) 1105 01:31:34,281 --> 01:31:36,240 (CHATTERING SUBSIDES) 1106 01:31:45,208 --> 01:31:47,668 Okay, Jeff. I'm gonna sit you down at that table over there. 1107 01:31:47,752 --> 01:31:49,003 I want to start as fast as possible. 1108 01:31:49,087 --> 01:31:51,630 I don't want to give them a chance to get another restraining order. Okay? 1109 01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:54,258 -Let's go. -Good luck, Doc. 1110 01:32:02,684 --> 01:32:05,686 Please stand. Raise your right hand. 1111 01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:07,730 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth 1112 01:32:07,814 --> 01:32:09,899 and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 1113 01:32:09,983 --> 01:32:12,526 WIGAND: I do. STENOGRAPHER: You may be seated. 1114 01:32:13,820 --> 01:32:16,238 You understand, Dr. Wigand, you are under oath? 1115 01:32:16,323 --> 01:32:20,409 This is a sworn deposition. There's no judge. It's not a trial. 1116 01:32:20,493 --> 01:32:23,662 Will you state your name for the record? 1117 01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:27,124 Jeffrey S. Wigand. R-E-Y. W-I-G-A-N-D. 1118 01:32:30,754 --> 01:32:33,172 Got any idea what's going on in there? 1119 01:32:33,548 --> 01:32:35,466 No, I don't have a clue. 1120 01:32:37,469 --> 01:32:39,887 -That is correct. -In other words, it acts as a drug... 1121 01:32:39,971 --> 01:32:42,306 -Object to the form of the question. -It acts as a drug... 1122 01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:44,266 -Object to the form... -It acts as a drug... 1123 01:32:44,351 --> 01:32:46,560 -Object! -Is there an echo in here? 1124 01:32:46,645 --> 01:32:48,479 Your objection's been recorded. 1125 01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:51,732 She typed it into her little machine over there. It's on the record. 1126 01:32:52,108 --> 01:32:56,070 So now I'll proceed with my deposition of my witness. 1127 01:32:58,073 --> 01:33:00,115 -Does it act as a drug? -Dr. Wigand! 1128 01:33:01,409 --> 01:33:03,953 I am instructing you 1129 01:33:04,454 --> 01:33:06,247 not to answer that question. 1130 01:33:06,331 --> 01:33:10,251 In accordance to the terms of the contractual obligations 1131 01:33:10,335 --> 01:33:12,753 undertaken by you 1132 01:33:12,837 --> 01:33:15,798 not to disclose any information 1133 01:33:15,882 --> 01:33:19,593 about your work at the Brown and Williamson Tobacco Company, 1134 01:33:19,844 --> 01:33:22,972 and in accordance with the force and effect 1135 01:33:23,056 --> 01:33:27,434 of the temporary restraining order that has been entered against you 1136 01:33:27,519 --> 01:33:29,937 by the court in the State of Kentucky. 1137 01:33:31,398 --> 01:33:33,399 That means you don't talk. 1138 01:33:34,734 --> 01:33:36,151 Mr. Motley, we have rights here. 1139 01:33:36,236 --> 01:33:37,820 Oh, you've got rights. 1140 01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:42,283 And lefts. Ups and downs and middles. 1141 01:33:42,367 --> 01:33:47,079 So what? You don't get to instruct anything around here! 1142 01:33:47,455 --> 01:33:51,750 This is not North Carolina, not South Carolina, nor Kentucky. 1143 01:33:52,502 --> 01:33:55,129 This is the sovereign State of Mississippi's proceeding. 1144 01:33:55,213 --> 01:33:56,714 Wipe that smirk off your face! 1145 01:33:57,882 --> 01:34:01,927 Dr. Wigand's deposition will be part of this record! 1146 01:34:02,012 --> 01:34:03,804 And I'm gonna take my witness' testimony 1147 01:34:03,888 --> 01:34:06,056 whether the hell you like it or not! 1148 01:34:20,322 --> 01:34:22,114 Answer the question, Doctor. 1149 01:34:22,198 --> 01:34:26,035 Yes. It produces a physiological response, 1150 01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:27,828 which meets the definition of a drug. 1151 01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:32,750 Nicotine is associated with impact, satisfaction. 1152 01:34:33,251 --> 01:34:38,130 It has a pharmacological effect that crosses the blood-brain barrier intact. 1153 01:34:40,759 --> 01:34:43,635 MOTLEY: Thank you, Doctor. Thank you. 1154 01:34:45,388 --> 01:34:48,766 (WOMAN VOCALIZING) 1155 01:35:27,639 --> 01:35:29,890 One of the reasons I'm here is that I felt 1156 01:35:29,974 --> 01:35:33,060 that their representation clearly... 1157 01:35:35,563 --> 01:35:39,650 Run that Sandefur piece on "nicotine's not addictive." 1158 01:35:39,734 --> 01:35:43,570 Run that on camera, then cut right to Wigand with "I believe they perjured..." 1159 01:35:43,655 --> 01:35:46,532 Then go wide to the CEOs all taking the oath. 1160 01:35:46,616 --> 01:35:48,575 Then back on Jeff 1161 01:35:48,660 --> 01:35:51,495 and play the pause after the word "felt" on the B-side. 1162 01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:55,457 Hell of a show, Mike. Explosive material. 1163 01:35:57,585 --> 01:36:00,337 -It went great in Mississippi, Mike. -Good. 1164 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,549 I heard Wigand's deposition got sealed. 1165 01:36:03,633 --> 01:36:06,969 They argued that he was going to reveal the secret formula of Kools to the world. 1166 01:36:07,095 --> 01:36:08,637 (LAUGHING) 1167 01:36:09,514 --> 01:36:11,932 BERGMAN: Sealed doesn't hurt Scruggs' litigation, 1168 01:36:12,016 --> 01:36:13,934 and since we're the only ones with the story, 1169 01:36:14,018 --> 01:36:15,644 I believe we're sitting on an exclusive. 1170 01:36:15,728 --> 01:36:16,812 I like that. 1171 01:36:16,896 --> 01:36:18,272 HEWITT: Corporate has some questions. 1172 01:36:18,356 --> 01:36:20,732 We've got a meeting at Black Rock first thing in the morning. 1173 01:36:20,817 --> 01:36:24,695 -When's the air date? -Lowell, Sharon's on line three. 1174 01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:27,531 -Tell her I'll call her back in 1 0. -EDITOR: Here we go. 1175 01:36:28,908 --> 01:36:31,326 WALLACE ON TV: That they had long known that the nicotine in tobacco 1176 01:36:31,411 --> 01:36:35,789 is an addictive drug despite their pubIic statements to the contrary. 1177 01:36:35,874 --> 01:36:39,626 Like the testimony before Congress of Dr. Wigand's former boss, 1178 01:36:39,711 --> 01:36:43,672 Brown and Williamson's chief executive officer, Thomas Sandefur. 1179 01:36:43,756 --> 01:36:46,425 l believe that nicotine is not addictive. 1180 01:36:46,509 --> 01:36:48,886 l believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself 1181 01:36:48,970 --> 01:36:50,971 because l watched those testimonies very carefuIIy. 1182 01:36:51,055 --> 01:36:54,975 WALLACE: AII of us did. I mean, there was this whoIe Iine of peopIe, 1183 01:36:55,059 --> 01:36:57,352 whole line of CEOs up there, aII swearing. 1184 01:36:57,437 --> 01:37:00,147 WIGAND: Part of the reason I'm here is that l felt 1185 01:37:01,274 --> 01:37:03,775 that their representation cIearly misstated 1186 01:37:03,860 --> 01:37:05,944 what is common Ianguage within the company. 1187 01:37:06,029 --> 01:37:08,280 We are in the nicotine deIivery business. 1188 01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:10,699 There is extensive use of this technoIogy, 1189 01:37:10,783 --> 01:37:11,992 known as ammonia chemistry. 1190 01:37:12,076 --> 01:37:15,996 lt allows for the nicotine to be more rapidIy absorbed in the Iung 1191 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,540 and therefore affect the brain and centraI nervous system. 1192 01:37:18,625 --> 01:37:20,292 WALLACE: That's what cigarettes are for. 1193 01:37:20,376 --> 01:37:21,543 DeIivery device for nicotine. 1194 01:37:21,628 --> 01:37:23,378 WALLACE: A delivery device for nicotine. 1195 01:37:23,463 --> 01:37:26,632 Put it in your mouth, Iight it up and you're going to get your fix. 1196 01:37:26,716 --> 01:37:28,175 You're gonna get your fix. 1197 01:37:29,594 --> 01:37:32,346 (WOMAN VOCALIZING) 1198 01:39:07,525 --> 01:39:10,277 (DOG BARKING) 1199 01:40:33,194 --> 01:40:36,154 -Shall I send for coffee? Sorry I'm late. -WALLACE: No, we're fine. 1200 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:37,948 -Are you sure? -BERGMAN: Yeah. 1201 01:40:39,283 --> 01:40:41,535 All right. I thought we'd get together 1202 01:40:41,619 --> 01:40:43,537 because there's a legal concept 1203 01:40:43,621 --> 01:40:46,081 that has been getting some new attention recently. 1204 01:40:46,165 --> 01:40:48,458 Tortious interference. 1205 01:40:48,543 --> 01:40:52,337 If two people have an agreement, like a confidentiality agreement, 1206 01:40:52,422 --> 01:40:56,883 and one of them breaks it because they are induced to do so by a third party, 1207 01:40:56,968 --> 01:41:00,220 the third party can be sued for damages for interfering. 1208 01:41:00,304 --> 01:41:02,180 Hence, tortious interference. 1209 01:41:02,265 --> 01:41:05,016 "Interfering"? That's what we do. 1210 01:41:05,435 --> 01:41:08,061 I think what we're trying to tell you is that it happens all the time. 1211 01:41:08,146 --> 01:41:12,149 This is a news organization. People are always telling us things they shouldn't. 1212 01:41:12,567 --> 01:41:15,360 We have to verify if it's true and in the public interest. 1213 01:41:15,445 --> 01:41:16,737 And if it is, we air it. 1214 01:41:16,821 --> 01:41:18,113 And after we corroborate it. 1215 01:41:18,197 --> 01:41:21,116 That's why we've never lost a lawsuit and run a classy show. 1216 01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:22,242 Anything else? 1217 01:41:22,326 --> 01:41:25,996 And 60 Minutes' verification is exact and precise. 1218 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:30,000 And I don't think it would hurt to make sure you're right on this one. 1219 01:41:30,084 --> 01:41:34,045 Why? You think we have liability? 1220 01:41:34,130 --> 01:41:36,047 What's the CBS News position, Eric? 1221 01:41:36,132 --> 01:41:38,300 There's a possibility. It's rather remote. 1222 01:41:38,593 --> 01:41:41,428 But one we have to check on, Mike. 1223 01:41:41,512 --> 01:41:44,014 I've retained outside counsel to do exactly that 1224 01:41:44,098 --> 01:41:48,769 on a segment, I might add, that's already rife with problems. 1225 01:41:48,853 --> 01:41:50,604 What does that mean? "Rife with..." 1226 01:41:50,688 --> 01:41:53,940 I'm told unusual promises were made to Wigand. 1227 01:41:54,150 --> 01:41:56,610 No, only that we would hold his story until it was safe for him. 1228 01:41:56,694 --> 01:41:59,780 And I'm told there are questions as to our star witness' veracity. 1229 01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:03,241 His "veracity" was good enough for the State of Mississippi. 1230 01:42:03,451 --> 01:42:05,702 Our standards have to be higher than anyone else's, 1231 01:42:05,787 --> 01:42:08,789 because we are the standard for everybody else. 1232 01:42:09,582 --> 01:42:13,418 Well, as a "standard," I'll hang with "is this guy telling the truth?" 1233 01:42:14,504 --> 01:42:18,465 Well, with tortious interference, I'm afraid, the greater the truth, 1234 01:42:18,549 --> 01:42:20,091 the greater the damage. 1235 01:42:22,178 --> 01:42:23,428 Come again? 1236 01:42:23,513 --> 01:42:27,224 They own the information he's disclosing. 1237 01:42:27,517 --> 01:42:31,061 The truer it is, the greater the damage to them. 1238 01:42:31,646 --> 01:42:33,814 If he lied, he didn't disclose their information, 1239 01:42:33,898 --> 01:42:35,398 and the damages are smaller. 1240 01:42:40,446 --> 01:42:44,407 -Is this Alice in Wonderland? -You said, "on this one." 1241 01:42:45,201 --> 01:42:47,118 What about this one? 1242 01:42:47,370 --> 01:42:50,831 If this holds up, and it very well may not, Mike. 1243 01:42:50,915 --> 01:42:54,459 But if it did and we aired this segment, 1244 01:42:54,544 --> 01:42:58,505 and CBS was sued by Brown and Williamson, 1245 01:42:58,589 --> 01:43:00,757 I think we could be at grave risk. 1246 01:43:00,842 --> 01:43:04,719 -How grave? -Well, at the end of the day, 1247 01:43:04,804 --> 01:43:07,305 because of your segment, 1248 01:43:07,390 --> 01:43:09,808 the Brown and Williamson Tobacco Company 1249 01:43:09,892 --> 01:43:11,935 could own CBS. 1250 01:43:13,771 --> 01:43:15,480 (BEEPING) 1251 01:43:15,940 --> 01:43:19,651 Oh. You know, I am sorry, but I'm due upstairs. 1252 01:43:20,820 --> 01:43:23,780 Is CBS Corporate telling CBS News, 1253 01:43:24,073 --> 01:43:26,533 "Do not go to air with this story"? 1254 01:43:27,451 --> 01:43:30,245 You're getting ahead of yourself. We're all in this together. 1255 01:43:30,329 --> 01:43:33,415 We're all CBS. We'll find out soon. 1256 01:43:33,499 --> 01:43:35,458 Thank you, gentlemen. 1257 01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:44,509 "Tortious interference." 1258 01:43:44,594 --> 01:43:47,554 That sounds like a disease caught by a radio. 1259 01:43:47,638 --> 01:43:49,389 -HEWITT: Lunch? -Sure. 1260 01:43:50,766 --> 01:43:52,642 Don't worry. We call the shots around here. 1261 01:44:00,651 --> 01:44:02,569 (DIALING PHONE) 1262 01:44:06,073 --> 01:44:07,949 (RINGING) 1263 01:44:08,034 --> 01:44:09,993 -Hello? -Debbie, it's me. 1264 01:44:10,077 --> 01:44:11,578 I want you to check some filings, 1265 01:44:11,662 --> 01:44:14,164 and give me John Wilson's number at Bear Stearns. 1266 01:44:22,173 --> 01:44:24,633 -BERGMAN: What now? -Kluster's coming over. 1267 01:44:32,475 --> 01:44:34,434 KLUSTER: Hello, Lowell, Mike. 1268 01:44:34,602 --> 01:44:36,686 -(DOOR CLOSES) -Don. 1269 01:44:37,146 --> 01:44:41,191 There has been so much soul searching about this Wigand. 1270 01:44:41,275 --> 01:44:44,277 I've decided we should cut an alternate version of the show 1271 01:44:44,362 --> 01:44:45,612 without his interview. 1272 01:44:45,696 --> 01:44:50,116 So what happened to Ms. Caperelli's checking with outside counsel first? 1273 01:44:50,201 --> 01:44:52,035 -All that crap? -That's happening. 1274 01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:53,912 Hopefully, we won't have to use the alternate, 1275 01:44:53,996 --> 01:44:55,455 but we should have it in the can. 1276 01:44:55,539 --> 01:44:56,748 I'm not touching my film. 1277 01:44:56,874 --> 01:44:58,208 -I'm afraid you are. -No, I'm not. 1278 01:44:58,292 --> 01:45:01,044 We're doing this with or without you, Lowell. 1279 01:45:01,712 --> 01:45:05,548 If you like, I can assign another producer to edit your show. 1280 01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:13,306 Since when has the paragon of investigative journalism 1281 01:45:13,391 --> 01:45:17,519 allowed lawyers to determine the news content on 60 Minutes? 1282 01:45:17,603 --> 01:45:18,979 HEWITT: It's an alternate version. 1283 01:45:20,022 --> 01:45:22,691 So what if we have an alternate version? 1284 01:45:22,775 --> 01:45:25,402 And I don't think our being cautious is so damned unreasonable. 1285 01:45:26,696 --> 01:45:28,738 So now, if you will excuse me, gentlemen, 1286 01:45:28,823 --> 01:45:31,408 Mr. Rather's been complaining about his chair again. 1287 01:45:31,492 --> 01:45:33,076 Before you go, 1288 01:45:35,746 --> 01:45:37,414 I discovered this. 1289 01:45:39,333 --> 01:45:40,792 SEC filing 1290 01:45:40,876 --> 01:45:44,295 for the sale of CBS Corporation to Westinghouse Corporation. 1291 01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:46,214 -What? -Yeah, I heard rumors. 1292 01:45:46,298 --> 01:45:47,507 It's not a rumor. It's a sale. 1293 01:45:47,591 --> 01:45:51,845 If Tisch can unload CBS for $81 a share to Westinghouse, 1294 01:45:51,929 --> 01:45:53,346 and then is suddenly threatened 1295 01:45:53,431 --> 01:45:57,225 with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit from Brown and Williamson, 1296 01:45:57,768 --> 01:45:59,686 that could screw up the sale, could it not? 1297 01:45:59,770 --> 01:46:02,480 -KLUSTER: What are you implying? -I'm not implying. I'm quoting. 1298 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,527 "More vested interests. Persons who will profit from this merger. 1299 01:46:07,611 --> 01:46:12,866 "Ms. Helen Caperelli, general counsel of CBS News, 3.9 million. 1300 01:46:13,075 --> 01:46:16,036 "Mr. Eric Kluster, President of CBS News, 1301 01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:17,662 "1 .4 million." 1302 01:46:19,415 --> 01:46:22,250 Are you suggesting that she and Eric are influenced by money? 1303 01:46:22,334 --> 01:46:26,379 No, no, of course they're not influenced by money. They work for free. 1304 01:46:26,464 --> 01:46:28,965 And you are a volunteer executive producer. 1305 01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:33,011 CBS does not do that. And you're questioning ourjournalistic integrity. 1306 01:46:33,095 --> 01:46:34,929 No, I'm questioning your hearing. 1307 01:46:35,014 --> 01:46:37,307 You hear "reasonable" and "tortious interference." 1308 01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,560 I hear "potential Brown and Williamson lawsuit 1309 01:46:40,644 --> 01:46:43,646 "jeopardizing the sale of CBS to Westinghouse." 1310 01:46:43,731 --> 01:46:47,108 I hear, "Shut the segment down. Cut Wigand loose. 1311 01:46:47,193 --> 01:46:49,986 "Obey orders and fuck off." That's what I hear. 1312 01:46:50,071 --> 01:46:51,488 -HEWITT: You're exaggerating. -I am? 1313 01:46:51,572 --> 01:46:54,866 You pay me to go get guys like Wigand, 1314 01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:58,745 to draw him out, to get him to trust us, to get him to go on television. 1315 01:46:58,829 --> 01:47:01,748 I do. I deliver him. He sits. He talks. 1316 01:47:01,832 --> 01:47:05,085 He violates his own fucking confidentiality agreement. 1317 01:47:05,169 --> 01:47:09,297 And he's only the key witness in the biggest public health reform issue, 1318 01:47:09,381 --> 01:47:11,466 maybe the biggest, most expensive 1319 01:47:11,550 --> 01:47:14,469 corporate malfeasance case in US history. 1320 01:47:14,553 --> 01:47:16,888 And Jeffrey Wigand, who's out on a limb, 1321 01:47:16,972 --> 01:47:19,307 does he go on television and tell the truth? 1322 01:47:19,391 --> 01:47:21,601 Yes. Is it newsworthy? 1323 01:47:21,685 --> 01:47:24,354 Yes. Are we gonna air it? 1324 01:47:24,438 --> 01:47:26,481 Of course not. Why? 1325 01:47:26,565 --> 01:47:28,942 Because he's not telling the truth? No. 1326 01:47:29,026 --> 01:47:32,737 Because he is telling the truth. That's why we're not gonna air it. 1327 01:47:32,822 --> 01:47:35,406 And the more truth he tells, the worse it gets. 1328 01:47:35,491 --> 01:47:38,201 You are a fanatic, an anarchist. You know that? 1329 01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:42,664 If we can't have a whole show, then I want half a show rather than no show. 1330 01:47:43,124 --> 01:47:44,290 But, oh, no. Not you. 1331 01:47:44,375 --> 01:47:46,668 You won't be satisfied unless you're putting the company at risk! 1332 01:47:46,752 --> 01:47:49,963 What are you? Are you a businessman or are you a newsman? 1333 01:47:50,047 --> 01:47:52,423 Because that happens to be what Mike and I 1334 01:47:52,508 --> 01:47:55,135 and some other people around here do for a living. 1335 01:47:55,219 --> 01:47:58,721 Put the corporation at risk? Give me a fucking break! 1336 01:47:58,806 --> 01:48:01,057 These people are putting our whole reason 1337 01:48:01,142 --> 01:48:03,059 for doing what we do on the line! 1338 01:48:03,185 --> 01:48:05,228 -Lowell! -What? 1339 01:48:05,855 --> 01:48:08,064 I'm with Don on this. 1340 01:48:24,331 --> 01:48:25,999 (DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) 1341 01:48:30,838 --> 01:48:32,046 What's wrong? 1342 01:48:32,131 --> 01:48:34,716 They're killing the Wigand interview. 1343 01:48:35,301 --> 01:48:36,467 What? 1344 01:48:36,552 --> 01:48:39,345 They're pretending it's process. That's bullshit. It's foregone. 1345 01:48:43,017 --> 01:48:44,934 What are you and Mike gonna do? 1346 01:48:47,688 --> 01:48:49,731 I'm alone on this. 1347 01:48:51,275 --> 01:48:53,026 -Oh, baby. -Yeah. 1348 01:48:59,450 --> 01:49:01,117 (PHONE RINGING) 1349 01:49:23,098 --> 01:49:25,016 It's Jeffrey Wigand. 1350 01:49:34,526 --> 01:49:37,987 Jeffrey. How are you? 1351 01:49:38,072 --> 01:49:39,822 How's the family? Okay? 1352 01:49:40,407 --> 01:49:41,616 There is no family. 1353 01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:43,201 What do you mean, "there is no famiIy"? 1354 01:49:43,827 --> 01:49:45,828 Liane has filed for divorce. 1355 01:49:46,288 --> 01:49:49,123 And, so, I've moved out. 1356 01:49:49,208 --> 01:49:51,584 I see the girls a coupIe of days a week. 1357 01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:55,255 -Where are you staying now? -Our favorite hotel, honey. (SNICKERS) 1358 01:49:57,174 --> 01:49:59,342 I checked into room 930. 1359 01:50:01,512 --> 01:50:03,429 Odd choice, huh? 1360 01:50:07,017 --> 01:50:09,519 I don't know how to say this, 1361 01:50:09,603 --> 01:50:11,646 Jeff, except to just say it right out. 1362 01:50:11,730 --> 01:50:15,733 So, I'll say it. They do not want to air it. 1363 01:50:18,028 --> 01:50:19,487 What? 1364 01:50:19,571 --> 01:50:22,865 BandW may have threatened Iitigation. 1365 01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:25,368 CBS is on the block. 1366 01:50:25,828 --> 01:50:29,038 -But you, I mean, I know how you... -No. 1367 01:50:29,873 --> 01:50:31,374 "No," what? 1368 01:50:32,084 --> 01:50:36,879 I do not think that you know for me what it is to walk in my shoes. 1369 01:50:38,716 --> 01:50:40,675 For my kids to have seen it, 1370 01:50:42,052 --> 01:50:44,637 for them to know why I've put them through what I did. 1371 01:50:45,556 --> 01:50:48,308 The public airing of that, the testament to why I did what I did. 1372 01:50:48,392 --> 01:50:51,394 You're telling me it's not gonna see the light of day? 1373 01:50:52,062 --> 01:50:53,271 Jeff. 1374 01:51:37,274 --> 01:51:39,192 Mrs. Wigand? 1375 01:51:40,611 --> 01:51:43,529 It hasn't been Mrs. Wigand for some time. 1376 01:51:43,614 --> 01:51:44,864 I'm an investigator, 1377 01:51:44,948 --> 01:51:47,950 and I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions about that. 1378 01:51:50,371 --> 01:51:52,288 All right. 1379 01:51:56,835 --> 01:51:59,045 Seven months after we were married, 1380 01:51:59,129 --> 01:52:01,464 we found out that I had muItipIe scIerosis. 1381 01:52:01,548 --> 01:52:03,383 MAN: And you had a daughter, Diane... 1382 01:52:03,467 --> 01:52:05,385 MAN 2: Tommy Sandefur told me himself. 1383 01:52:05,469 --> 01:52:08,137 He's not going to allow Brown and Williamson to be demonized 1384 01:52:08,222 --> 01:52:10,056 to the American public. 1385 01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:12,892 So I told Peter Jennings. And I... Hold on. 1386 01:52:12,976 --> 01:52:14,394 MAN ON TV: You had muItipIe scIerosis. 1387 01:52:14,478 --> 01:52:16,646 You had a small child to raise. 1388 01:52:17,147 --> 01:52:20,733 Mention that part in the executive summary and in the chapters. 1389 01:52:20,818 --> 01:52:23,194 First wife and estrangement of daughter. 1390 01:52:23,779 --> 01:52:25,947 So I was telling Pete, I said, "You've been taken in by this guy." 1391 01:52:26,031 --> 01:52:28,825 The divorce was something that we both wanted. 1392 01:52:29,743 --> 01:52:31,494 He's a shoplifter. 1393 01:52:32,538 --> 01:52:34,330 He's a convicted shoplifter. 1394 01:52:52,558 --> 01:52:55,893 So, what are you gonna do? 1395 01:52:56,770 --> 01:52:59,355 What do you think I'm gonna do? Quit in protest? 1396 01:53:00,023 --> 01:53:01,441 I'm not gonna do that. 1397 01:53:02,484 --> 01:53:03,943 You're taking "no" for an answer? 1398 01:53:04,778 --> 01:53:07,447 No, I'm not gonna take "no" for an answer. No. 1399 01:53:07,531 --> 01:53:10,116 You're not? What are you doing? 1400 01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:14,162 I'm staying right here, doing my job. Fighting to get my show on the air. 1401 01:53:14,246 --> 01:53:16,372 You don't like it? Hey, I tell you what? 1402 01:53:16,457 --> 01:53:18,040 Fire my ass. 1403 01:53:19,918 --> 01:53:23,713 End up in a high-profile lawsuit with Lowell, the First Amendment martyr? 1404 01:53:27,134 --> 01:53:29,469 I don't think so. Take a look at this. 1405 01:53:30,888 --> 01:53:33,723 This is a summary of a dossier that's being prepared. 1406 01:53:34,391 --> 01:53:36,100 He wouldn't lie about his whole life. 1407 01:53:36,185 --> 01:53:38,311 Who's gonna believe him about anything he says? 1408 01:53:38,395 --> 01:53:42,231 The Wall Street Journal is doing a major story, and, I think, The Post. 1409 01:53:43,442 --> 01:53:46,110 You backed the wrong horse. 1410 01:53:46,195 --> 01:53:49,322 The version without the interview is gonna air the week after next. 1411 01:53:56,580 --> 01:53:57,914 What was that about? 1412 01:53:59,291 --> 01:54:01,792 -Get me Wigand. -Sure. 1413 01:54:05,130 --> 01:54:08,174 What the fuck is this? Fuck! 1414 01:54:08,258 --> 01:54:10,510 BERGMAN: You never told me you were married before. 1415 01:54:10,594 --> 01:54:13,721 -That you had a daughter. -How is that any of your business? 1416 01:54:13,805 --> 01:54:16,098 That is not something that you people need to know. 1417 01:54:16,183 --> 01:54:18,267 Oh, you know what we do or do not need to know? 1418 01:54:18,352 --> 01:54:20,061 Since when have you become a media expert? 1419 01:54:20,145 --> 01:54:21,938 What do you wanna do, Lowell? Look up my ass, too? 1420 01:54:22,022 --> 01:54:23,356 Oh, for God's sake. 1421 01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:24,815 You're not even on this anymore. What do you care? 1422 01:54:24,900 --> 01:54:26,192 Jeff, wake the fuck up! 1423 01:54:26,276 --> 01:54:29,862 Everybody is on the line here. If they catch you in a lie, 1424 01:54:29,947 --> 01:54:32,573 they can paint everything with that brush, you understand? 1425 01:54:32,658 --> 01:54:35,076 -Everything you say. -I told the truth. 1426 01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:38,704 Everything you say. And I can't defend you, man, 1427 01:54:38,789 --> 01:54:40,748 with one hand tied behind my back 1428 01:54:40,832 --> 01:54:43,417 because you keep from me what they can discover. 1429 01:54:43,502 --> 01:54:46,212 And they wiII discover everything. Believe me. 1430 01:54:46,296 --> 01:54:48,464 I was young! I was young! 1431 01:54:48,549 --> 01:54:51,133 Confused. We didn't handle it the right way. 1432 01:54:51,218 --> 01:54:53,219 She sued you for back payments of child support? 1433 01:54:53,303 --> 01:54:54,554 She did not sue me. 1434 01:54:54,638 --> 01:54:58,266 We had a dispute over money. I settled it. She dropped the complaint. 1435 01:54:59,601 --> 01:55:00,726 Any other questions? 1436 01:55:00,811 --> 01:55:03,229 Yes. Did you lie about being on the American judo team 1437 01:55:03,313 --> 01:55:04,313 in the Olympics? 1438 01:55:04,731 --> 01:55:07,024 -What? -Some public relations guy 1439 01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:09,110 got hold of a tape of an interview where you're saying 1440 01:55:09,194 --> 01:55:11,737 you were on the American judo team in the Olympics. 1441 01:55:11,822 --> 01:55:13,823 What kind of shit is this? 1442 01:55:14,992 --> 01:55:19,078 I was not on the team. I sparred with the Olympic team. Okay? 1443 01:55:19,162 --> 01:55:22,164 All right. ABC Telemarketing Company? 1444 01:55:22,499 --> 01:55:25,293 -ABC... -ABC Telemarketing Company. 1445 01:55:25,377 --> 01:55:28,421 The can opener! A 39.95 can opener! 1446 01:55:28,505 --> 01:55:30,339 I canceled payment. It was junk! 1447 01:55:31,049 --> 01:55:34,218 You ever bounce a check, Lowell? You ever look at another woman's tits? 1448 01:55:34,344 --> 01:55:36,679 You ever cheat a little on your taxes? 1449 01:55:36,763 --> 01:55:39,765 Whose life, if you look at it under a microscope, doesn't have any flaws? 1450 01:55:39,850 --> 01:55:42,977 Well, that's the whole point, Jeffrey. That's the whole point. 1451 01:55:43,061 --> 01:55:46,939 Anyone's, everyone's. They are gonna look under every rock, 1452 01:55:47,024 --> 01:55:50,735 dig up every flaw, every mistake you've ever made. 1453 01:55:50,819 --> 01:55:53,195 They are going to distort and exaggerate 1454 01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,781 everything you've ever done, man. Don't you understand? 1455 01:55:55,866 --> 01:55:57,742 What does this have to do with my testimony? 1456 01:55:57,826 --> 01:55:59,619 What does it have to do with my testimony? 1457 01:55:59,703 --> 01:56:02,622 -I told the truth! It's true and provable! -It's not about... 1458 01:56:02,706 --> 01:56:04,874 That's not the fucking point, whether you told the truth or not! 1459 01:56:07,586 --> 01:56:08,919 Hello? 1460 01:56:12,466 --> 01:56:14,216 I told the truth. 1461 01:56:16,803 --> 01:56:18,429 l told the truth. 1462 01:56:19,556 --> 01:56:20,806 (BELL RINGING) 1463 01:56:20,891 --> 01:56:23,059 I gotta teach class. I gotta go. I gotta teach class. 1464 01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:26,354 And I gotta refute every fucking accusation made 1465 01:56:26,438 --> 01:56:29,398 in this report before The Wall Street Journal runs. 1466 01:56:33,111 --> 01:56:35,071 I am trying to protect you, man. 1467 01:56:35,906 --> 01:56:37,865 I hope you improve your batting average. 1468 01:56:56,176 --> 01:56:57,593 (DIALING PHONE) 1469 01:56:57,678 --> 01:57:01,013 WOMAN: They're cutting the interest rate, and I have that great feature... 1470 01:57:03,517 --> 01:57:05,059 -(CHATTERING) -(PHONE RINGING) 1471 01:57:07,145 --> 01:57:09,105 -Hello? -lt's Lowell. 1472 01:57:09,606 --> 01:57:13,818 Are you guys planning to do a piece on a former top executive in Big Tobacco? 1473 01:57:13,944 --> 01:57:16,779 -You caught me in a news meeting. -Are you or are you not, Charlie? 1474 01:57:17,072 --> 01:57:18,906 You bet we are, and I can't talk to you now. 1475 01:57:18,990 --> 01:57:21,742 -We gotta hook up. -Sure. Where? 1476 01:57:21,827 --> 01:57:23,786 -PJ's. -l'll be there. 1477 01:57:24,788 --> 01:57:26,247 (PHONE BEEPS) 1478 01:57:29,710 --> 01:57:31,419 (SIREN WAILING) 1479 01:57:31,878 --> 01:57:34,505 Yeah, I got it. 500 pages of it. 1480 01:57:34,589 --> 01:57:36,716 They looked in every corner of this guy's life, 1481 01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:38,217 from the spousal abuse charge, 1482 01:57:38,301 --> 01:57:41,971 to shoplifting, to a traffic ticket he got once for running a red light. 1483 01:57:42,055 --> 01:57:45,558 It's Terry Lenzner's outfit, IGI. Jack, listen to me. 1484 01:57:45,642 --> 01:57:48,060 Their strategy: discredit this guy, 1485 01:57:48,145 --> 01:57:50,229 ruin his reputation in The WaII Street JournaI, 1486 01:57:50,313 --> 01:57:53,733 and then nobody will ever listen to what he's got to say about tobacco. 1487 01:57:54,276 --> 01:57:56,902 He's dead unless l can get this thing knocked down. 1488 01:57:56,987 --> 01:57:59,447 Make it even a little more attractive. 1489 01:57:59,531 --> 01:58:02,074 I don't know if you're ever gonna get paid. 1490 01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:04,744 -Is there any truth to any of it? -That's a good question. 1491 01:58:04,828 --> 01:58:07,121 "Is there any truth to any of it?" I doubt it. 1492 01:58:07,205 --> 01:58:09,749 -What's the deadline? -Soon. 1493 01:58:14,755 --> 01:58:16,797 -Fax me the summary. -That's great, Jack. 1494 01:58:18,508 --> 01:58:21,343 (CROWD CHATTERING) 1495 01:58:24,681 --> 01:58:27,725 -Hey. How are you? Hey, listen. -Hey. 1496 01:58:27,809 --> 01:58:31,103 I hear you guys are sitting on something sensational over there. 1497 01:58:31,396 --> 01:58:34,899 -Really? Hi, June. -Oh, hi, baby. 1498 01:58:36,693 --> 01:58:38,819 -Catch you later. -Okay. Take care. 1499 01:58:41,031 --> 01:58:42,573 -When's your deadline? -Monday. 1500 01:58:42,657 --> 01:58:44,950 -Push it. -What? Forget it. 1501 01:58:45,035 --> 01:58:47,077 It's a smear campaign, Charlie. 1502 01:58:47,162 --> 01:58:48,954 It's drawn from a selectively circulated... 1503 01:58:49,039 --> 01:58:50,581 Oh, yeah. Real selective. 1504 01:58:50,707 --> 01:58:52,792 About as hard to get a hold of as the Manhattan phone book. 1505 01:58:52,876 --> 01:58:57,004 Well, it's authoritative and overwhelmingly documented. 1506 01:58:57,088 --> 01:58:59,715 And it's bullshit. And if I'm right, are you gonna put 1507 01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:03,344 The Journal's reputation behind a story that's gonna blow up in your face? 1508 01:59:03,428 --> 01:59:04,929 I'll take a look at what you got, 1509 01:59:05,013 --> 01:59:07,348 but I'm not moving any deadlines because you say so. 1510 01:59:15,065 --> 01:59:16,482 Are you all right? 1511 01:59:18,735 --> 01:59:19,902 Yeah. 1512 01:59:29,704 --> 01:59:31,413 WOMAN: Officer Muravchick? 1513 01:59:32,332 --> 01:59:33,833 Thank you. 1514 01:59:35,460 --> 01:59:37,711 Officer Muravchick, how are you? 1515 01:59:37,796 --> 01:59:40,047 -I'm Sandra Sutherland. -How do you do? 1516 01:59:40,131 --> 01:59:42,216 Fine, thank you. I'm doing a background check. 1517 01:59:42,300 --> 01:59:44,260 Mind if I sit down? 1518 01:59:46,388 --> 01:59:48,973 Your Honor, could I have a word with you? 1519 01:59:50,392 --> 01:59:54,144 You presided in a dispute over support payments. 1520 01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:57,523 Jeffrey Wigand? Yeah, I cited him. 1521 01:59:57,607 --> 02:00:01,569 CBS is under criticism because the CBS news program, 60 Minutes, 1522 02:00:01,653 --> 02:00:03,529 wiII not be presenting an interview... 1523 02:00:03,613 --> 02:00:05,614 What the hell are you doing? 1524 02:00:06,658 --> 02:00:08,868 What does it look like I'm doing? I'm editing. 1525 02:00:08,952 --> 02:00:11,704 No, no, no that. I'm talking about the Associated Press. 1526 02:00:12,122 --> 02:00:15,916 They got the story that we pulled this interview, and they talked to Mike and I. 1527 02:00:16,543 --> 02:00:18,210 Did you tell them that we were lying? 1528 02:00:18,295 --> 02:00:19,879 No! I should have. 1529 02:00:19,963 --> 02:00:22,673 I told them I disagreed with you, Mike and Kluster 1530 02:00:22,757 --> 02:00:25,050 that this segment is as good as the original. 1531 02:00:25,135 --> 02:00:28,012 I'm not lying for you. I'm not gonna shut up for you. 1532 02:00:28,096 --> 02:00:30,848 -Not on any of it. -Hey, I'm not gonna fire you. 1533 02:00:30,932 --> 02:00:33,434 Okay? Take a vacation. Now! 1534 02:00:34,144 --> 02:00:35,811 (PHONE RINGING) 1535 02:00:37,814 --> 02:00:40,649 Lowell? Look, I've decided to preface Sunday's show. 1536 02:00:40,734 --> 02:00:43,861 I did three minutes on The Evening News. You'll want to see it. 1537 02:00:44,696 --> 02:00:47,740 -Where are you going? -I've been banished... 1538 02:00:47,824 --> 02:00:49,450 In lieu of being fired. 1539 02:00:50,619 --> 02:00:53,329 I took off on Tisch. I took off on Corporate. 1540 02:00:53,413 --> 02:00:56,040 They'll know they're not going to see everything on Sunday night. 1541 02:00:57,334 --> 02:01:00,002 I don't know. How does that get Wigand on the air? 1542 02:01:01,004 --> 02:01:02,922 Do me a favor, will you? Spare me. 1543 02:01:03,006 --> 02:01:05,424 For God's sake, get in the real world. What do you think? 1544 02:01:05,508 --> 02:01:08,761 I'm going to resign in protest to force it on the air? 1545 02:01:08,845 --> 02:01:12,097 The answer's no. I don't plan to spend the end of my days 1546 02:01:12,182 --> 02:01:15,059 wandering in the wilderness of National Public Radio. 1547 02:01:15,143 --> 02:01:17,061 That decision I've already made. 1548 02:01:19,314 --> 02:01:21,690 WOMAN ON TV: This Sunday, WaIIace wiII broadcast a report 1549 02:01:21,775 --> 02:01:23,108 on the tobacco industry, 1550 02:01:23,193 --> 02:01:26,028 incIuding the tough tactics tobacco companies empIoy 1551 02:01:26,112 --> 02:01:28,781 to keep a Iid on information that might be damaging. 1552 02:01:28,865 --> 02:01:31,784 ls there information that peopIe shouId have 1553 02:01:31,868 --> 02:01:33,202 that they're not going to have 1554 02:01:33,286 --> 02:01:35,955 because you're not going to broadcast this interview? 1555 02:01:36,039 --> 02:01:37,498 Yes. 1556 02:01:37,582 --> 02:01:40,376 Today, CBS News president Eric Kluster 1557 02:01:40,460 --> 02:01:43,128 defended the network's decision not to broadcast 1558 02:01:43,213 --> 02:01:45,756 key portions of the controversial interview. 1559 02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:49,134 Mr. KIuster said, quote, "The atmosphere is tougher than ever." 1560 02:01:49,219 --> 02:01:51,428 -Where's the rest? -WOMAN ON TV: Dan. 1561 02:01:51,513 --> 02:01:53,222 Where the hell's the rest? 1562 02:01:53,306 --> 02:01:55,307 DAN: Nebraska football fans voiced their criticism... 1563 02:01:55,392 --> 02:01:56,725 You cut it! 1564 02:01:56,810 --> 02:01:58,769 Coming up in Bernard Goldberg's America. 1565 02:01:58,853 --> 02:02:01,814 -You cut the guts out of what I said! -It was a time consideration... 1566 02:02:01,898 --> 02:02:05,359 Time? Bullshit! You corporate lackey. 1567 02:02:05,443 --> 02:02:07,319 Who told you your incompetent little fingers 1568 02:02:07,404 --> 02:02:09,363 have the requisite skills to edit me? 1569 02:02:09,447 --> 02:02:12,157 I'm trying to Band-Aid a situation here, and you're too dim... 1570 02:02:12,242 --> 02:02:14,535 Mike. Mike. Mike. 1571 02:02:14,619 --> 02:02:17,246 "Mike"? "Mike"! 1572 02:02:18,707 --> 02:02:20,499 Try "Mr. Wallace." 1573 02:02:21,084 --> 02:02:22,501 We work in the same corporation, 1574 02:02:22,585 --> 02:02:24,586 doesn't mean we work in the same profession. 1575 02:02:24,671 --> 02:02:27,131 Now, now what are you going to do now? You going to finesse me? 1576 02:02:27,215 --> 02:02:31,552 Lawyer me some more? I've been in this profession 50 fucking years! 1577 02:02:31,636 --> 02:02:34,805 You and the people you work for are destroying the most respected, 1578 02:02:34,889 --> 02:02:37,599 the highest rated, the most profitable show on this network. 1579 02:02:53,616 --> 02:02:57,369 Here. These are their leads, their sources. 1580 02:02:57,454 --> 02:03:00,497 -I want you to have your reporters... -Suein Hwang and Milo Geyelin. 1581 02:03:00,582 --> 02:03:02,708 Have them make their own calls. 1582 02:03:02,792 --> 02:03:04,626 They'll find that these sources have a different story 1583 02:03:04,711 --> 02:03:06,336 than the one that's in the dossier. 1584 02:03:08,631 --> 02:03:10,549 Push the deadline, Charlie. 1585 02:03:15,805 --> 02:03:19,475 I'll push it for a week. I want Milo and Suein to go through it. 1586 02:03:34,657 --> 02:03:36,700 What do you want to buy him for a gift? 1587 02:03:36,951 --> 02:03:40,621 Mmm, he's into kind of little cars that... 1588 02:03:40,955 --> 02:03:42,915 -That remote control thing? -Yeah. 1589 02:03:42,999 --> 02:03:45,250 All right. We'll go do that tomorrow. 1590 02:03:45,335 --> 02:03:49,463 MAN ON TV: The 63-36 vote was three shy of the two-thirds needed to pass... 1591 02:03:49,547 --> 02:03:52,424 -Mom. There's Dad. -Yes? 1592 02:03:52,509 --> 02:03:55,511 -On the TV. -...dating back to 1986. 1593 02:03:55,595 --> 02:03:57,763 The most recent trouble for Wigand occurred here... 1594 02:03:57,847 --> 02:03:59,932 And in IocaI news, WLKO, LouisviIIe, 1595 02:04:00,016 --> 02:04:02,768 has gained access to a 500-page dossier 1596 02:04:02,852 --> 02:04:05,562 on former Brown and Williamson research head, Jeffrey Wigand, 1597 02:04:05,647 --> 02:04:09,316 detaiIing charges of shopIifting and faiIing to pay chiId support. 1598 02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:11,401 Wigand is currentIy teaching chemistry and Japanese 1599 02:04:11,486 --> 02:04:13,320 at the duPont Manual High School. 1600 02:04:13,404 --> 02:04:14,905 Maria. 1601 02:04:27,127 --> 02:04:28,752 (TICKING) 1602 02:04:36,886 --> 02:04:39,429 WALLACE: Thousands ofdocuments from inside the tobacco industry 1603 02:04:39,514 --> 02:04:41,473 have surfaced over the past year. 1604 02:04:41,558 --> 02:04:43,559 Documents that appear to confirm 1605 02:04:43,643 --> 02:04:45,686 what a former US surgeon general 1606 02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:49,523 and the current head of the Food and Drug Administration have been saying. 1607 02:04:50,150 --> 02:04:52,484 We learned of a tobacco insider who could tell us 1608 02:04:52,569 --> 02:04:55,988 whether or not the tobacco industry has been IeveIing with the pubIic. 1609 02:04:56,072 --> 02:04:58,157 That insider was formerly 1610 02:04:58,241 --> 02:05:01,368 a highIy-pIaced executive with a tobacco company. 1611 02:05:01,452 --> 02:05:05,164 But we cannot broadcast what critical information about tobacco, 1612 02:05:05,248 --> 02:05:08,667 addiction and pubIic heaIth he might be abIe to offer. 1613 02:05:08,751 --> 02:05:12,588 Why? Because he had to sign a confidentiaIity agreement 1614 02:05:12,672 --> 02:05:14,882 with the tobacco company he worked for. 1615 02:05:14,966 --> 02:05:18,385 The management of CBS has told us 1616 02:05:18,469 --> 02:05:20,554 that knowing he had that agreement, 1617 02:05:20,638 --> 02:05:23,098 if we were to broadcast an interview with him, 1618 02:05:23,183 --> 02:05:27,144 CBS could be faced with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit. 1619 02:05:27,228 --> 02:05:30,898 The fact is, we are not aIIowed even to mention his name 1620 02:05:30,982 --> 02:05:33,525 or the name of the company he worked for. 1621 02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:37,946 And, of course, we cannot show you his face. 1622 02:05:38,031 --> 02:05:40,032 And your confidentiaIity agreement with... 1623 02:05:40,116 --> 02:05:41,200 (BLEEP) 1624 02:05:41,284 --> 02:05:43,035 -...is still in force? -VOICE OVER: Yes, it is. 1625 02:05:43,786 --> 02:05:47,206 So what are they gonna do? Sue you for making this appearance? 1626 02:05:47,290 --> 02:05:49,374 VOICE OVER: l would bet on it. 1627 02:05:49,459 --> 02:05:52,211 WALLACE: The former executive has reason to bet on being sued, 1628 02:05:52,295 --> 02:05:54,129 for major cigarette manufacturers... 1629 02:06:11,522 --> 02:06:12,981 (PHONE BEEPING) 1630 02:06:14,442 --> 02:06:15,734 (RINGING) 1631 02:06:15,818 --> 02:06:17,653 Yeah. 1632 02:06:17,737 --> 02:06:19,905 WALLACE: You disappeared on me. 1633 02:06:19,989 --> 02:06:22,491 -How Iong you staying? -I disappeared on you? 1634 02:06:23,660 --> 02:06:25,702 All right. What did you think? 1635 02:06:27,038 --> 02:06:29,164 I think it was a disgrace. 1636 02:06:29,832 --> 02:06:31,375 (DIAL TONE) 1637 02:06:33,294 --> 02:06:34,836 (DIALING PHONE) 1638 02:06:35,838 --> 02:06:37,339 (PHONE RINGING) 1639 02:06:38,549 --> 02:06:41,802 (WOMAN VOCALIZING) 1640 02:06:53,273 --> 02:06:57,025 -MAN: Still no answer. -Get me the manager's office. 1641 02:06:58,027 --> 02:07:00,320 David. David, you've got a call on line four. 1642 02:07:00,405 --> 02:07:02,322 I think you better take it. 1643 02:07:03,950 --> 02:07:05,492 This is David McDougal. How can I help you? 1644 02:07:05,576 --> 02:07:07,953 Mr. McDougal, my name is Lowell Bergman. 1645 02:07:08,037 --> 02:07:09,705 I'm a producer for 60 Minutes. 1646 02:07:10,164 --> 02:07:14,084 I'm concerned for a friend of mine who's staying at your hotel right now. 1647 02:07:21,551 --> 02:07:26,138 Mr. Wigand? 1648 02:07:31,936 --> 02:07:34,313 I think I need to call the police. He won't respond. 1649 02:07:34,397 --> 02:07:37,441 No, no, don't call the police. Just tell him I'm on the phone with you. 1650 02:07:37,525 --> 02:07:39,985 My name is Lowell Bergman. Just tell him that. 1651 02:07:40,278 --> 02:07:44,156 Mr. Wigand, Mr. Bergman is on the telephone. 1652 02:07:45,783 --> 02:07:47,326 Did he hear you? 1653 02:07:47,410 --> 02:07:49,745 -(PHONE BEEPS) -You're breaking up. I can't hear you. 1654 02:07:50,246 --> 02:07:51,830 What about now? 1655 02:07:51,914 --> 02:07:54,458 -What? -Hello? Can you hear me now? 1656 02:07:55,668 --> 02:07:57,586 (WOMAN CONTINUES VOCALIZING) 1657 02:09:02,610 --> 02:09:06,321 -What's happening? -He doesn't seem to be listening. 1658 02:09:06,406 --> 02:09:09,658 All right. Now listen to me. I want you to tell him, 1659 02:09:09,742 --> 02:09:12,744 in these words, "Get on the fucking phone." 1660 02:09:13,621 --> 02:09:15,163 I can't say that. 1661 02:09:15,248 --> 02:09:17,791 No, you can. Tell him to get on the fucking phone! 1662 02:09:18,167 --> 02:09:21,002 He told me to tell you to get on the fucking phone! 1663 02:09:25,133 --> 02:09:26,258 (MUSIC ENDS) 1664 02:09:27,385 --> 02:09:29,845 You manipulated me into this. 1665 02:09:29,929 --> 02:09:32,055 -That's buIIshit, Jeff. -You greased the rails. 1666 02:09:32,140 --> 02:09:36,435 I greased the rails for a guy who wanted to say "yes." I helped him to say "yes." 1667 02:09:36,519 --> 02:09:38,812 That's all. You're not a robot, Jeff. 1668 02:09:38,896 --> 02:09:40,897 All right? You got a mind of your own, don't you? 1669 02:09:40,982 --> 02:09:41,940 "Up to you, Jeffrey. 1670 02:09:42,024 --> 02:09:44,109 "That's the power you have, Jeffrey. 1671 02:09:44,193 --> 02:09:46,778 "Vital inside information the American public need to know." 1672 02:09:46,863 --> 02:09:50,323 Lowell Bergman, the hotshot who never met a source he couldn't turn around. 1673 02:09:50,408 --> 02:09:52,659 I fought for you, and I still fight for you! 1674 02:09:52,743 --> 02:09:55,579 You fought for me? You manipulated me 1675 02:09:55,663 --> 02:09:58,957 into where I am now, staring at the Brown and Williamson building! 1676 02:09:59,041 --> 02:10:01,835 It's all dark except the tenth floor. That's the legal department. 1677 02:10:01,919 --> 02:10:04,045 That's where they fuck with my life. 1678 02:10:09,093 --> 02:10:10,469 Jeffrey, where you going with this? 1679 02:10:12,972 --> 02:10:14,556 So, where you going? 1680 02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:24,024 You are important to a Iot of peopIe, Jeffrey. 1681 02:10:25,193 --> 02:10:26,818 You think about that. 1682 02:10:28,029 --> 02:10:29,946 You think about them. 1683 02:10:43,294 --> 02:10:45,378 I'm running out of heroes, man. 1684 02:10:46,797 --> 02:10:48,924 Guys like you are in short supply. 1685 02:10:54,972 --> 02:10:56,932 Yeah, guys like you, too. 1686 02:11:02,355 --> 02:11:04,439 Where are you, anyway? 1687 02:11:04,524 --> 02:11:07,442 I'm on a leave of absence. Forced vacation. 1688 02:11:10,655 --> 02:11:12,989 -You try and have a good time. -Yeah. 1689 02:11:13,824 --> 02:11:15,700 Yeah, I wiII. 1690 02:11:30,675 --> 02:11:32,551 I'm Lowell Bergman. I'm from 60 Minutes. 1691 02:11:32,635 --> 02:11:34,678 You know, you take the 60 Minutes out of that sentence, 1692 02:11:34,762 --> 02:11:36,596 nobody returns your phone calls. 1693 02:11:37,306 --> 02:11:40,308 Maybe Wigand's right. Maybe I'm hooked. 1694 02:11:42,395 --> 02:11:44,229 What am I hooked on? 1695 02:11:44,313 --> 02:11:46,606 The rush of 60 Minutes? 1696 02:11:47,441 --> 02:11:50,735 What the hell for? "Infotainment"! 1697 02:11:50,820 --> 02:11:52,946 It's so fucking useless, all of it. 1698 02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:56,616 So it's a big country with a free press. You can go and work somewhere else. 1699 02:11:56,701 --> 02:11:58,952 "Free press"? The press is free. 1700 02:11:59,036 --> 02:12:02,622 For anyone who owns one. Larry Tisch has a free press. 1701 02:12:02,707 --> 02:12:05,000 -Get some perspective, Lowell. -I got perspective. 1702 02:12:05,084 --> 02:12:07,085 No, you do not. 1703 02:12:08,504 --> 02:12:10,964 From my perspective, 1704 02:12:11,048 --> 02:12:14,759 what's been going on and what I've been doing is ridiculous. 1705 02:12:14,844 --> 02:12:17,220 -It's half-measures. -You're not listening. 1706 02:12:23,561 --> 02:12:26,563 Really know what you're going to do before you do it. 1707 02:13:00,931 --> 02:13:02,599 (BEEPING) 1708 02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:05,852 (BEEPING STOPS) 1709 02:13:08,397 --> 02:13:10,482 DEBBIE: l've got Richard Scruggs on the phone. 1710 02:13:10,566 --> 02:13:12,400 -Patch him through. -(RINGING) 1711 02:13:13,611 --> 02:13:15,737 SCRUGGS: Well, Lowell, you are not gonna believe this. 1712 02:13:16,614 --> 02:13:20,742 The governor of Mississippi is suing his own attorney general 1713 02:13:20,826 --> 02:13:23,495 to abandon litigation against Big Tobacco. 1714 02:13:24,664 --> 02:13:26,331 Oh, good. 1715 02:13:26,415 --> 02:13:29,334 But now that the version without Jeff ran, 1716 02:13:29,418 --> 02:13:31,836 what's the chance of getting his interview on the air? 1717 02:13:34,340 --> 02:13:36,341 -Hello? -Yeah, I'm here. 1718 02:13:36,425 --> 02:13:38,927 What chance is there of getting Jeff's interview on the air? 1719 02:13:39,011 --> 02:13:40,595 Less than great. 1720 02:13:45,434 --> 02:13:47,185 I'd be lying to you if I did not tell you 1721 02:13:47,269 --> 02:13:50,021 how important it was in the court of public opinion. 1722 02:13:51,315 --> 02:13:53,983 I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you... 1723 02:13:54,068 --> 02:13:55,860 I'm about out of moves, Dick. 1724 02:13:59,949 --> 02:14:01,616 -(CHATTERING) -All right. See ya. 1725 02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:19,134 (DOORBELL JANGLING) 1726 02:14:25,099 --> 02:14:26,516 Hi. 1727 02:14:28,602 --> 02:14:32,480 So, what are you folks doing here in Lincoln? 1728 02:14:33,941 --> 02:14:36,985 -Geology survey. -Geology? 1729 02:14:38,028 --> 02:14:40,488 Yeah? Really? 1730 02:14:41,157 --> 02:14:43,116 How about you? 1731 02:14:44,827 --> 02:14:46,369 I work for CBS News. 1732 02:14:47,997 --> 02:14:49,330 Oh, yeah? 1733 02:15:07,183 --> 02:15:09,184 (DOORBELL JANGLING, DOOR CLOSES) 1734 02:15:17,067 --> 02:15:19,444 Just ran into two of your geologists. 1735 02:15:19,528 --> 02:15:22,113 Geologists whose hands aren't all chewed up. 1736 02:15:22,198 --> 02:15:26,326 Lowell, do not screw this up. 1737 02:15:26,410 --> 02:15:28,828 We are a week away from an arrest. 1738 02:15:28,913 --> 02:15:31,080 So I'll hold it. And? 1739 02:15:31,165 --> 02:15:33,750 We'll give you a heads-up before we launch. 1740 02:15:33,834 --> 02:15:35,585 -How long? -Three hours. 1741 02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:37,003 You got a deaI. 1742 02:15:53,103 --> 02:15:56,773 WALLACE: Like the testimony before Congress of Dr. Wigand's former boss, 1743 02:15:56,857 --> 02:16:00,485 Brown and Williamson's chief executive officer, Thomas Sandefur. 1744 02:16:00,569 --> 02:16:03,154 l believe that nicotine is not addictive. 1745 02:16:03,239 --> 02:16:05,406 l believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself 1746 02:16:05,533 --> 02:16:07,408 because l watched those testimonies very carefuIIy. 1747 02:16:07,493 --> 02:16:09,035 WALLACE: AII of us did. 1748 02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:11,454 I mean, there was this whoIe Iine of peopIe, 1749 02:16:11,539 --> 02:16:14,123 whole line of CEOs up there, aII swearing. 1750 02:16:14,208 --> 02:16:17,168 Part of the reason l'm here is that l felt 1751 02:16:17,253 --> 02:16:19,420 that their representation... 1752 02:16:41,277 --> 02:16:43,987 (NO AUDIO) 1753 02:16:48,909 --> 02:16:50,827 ...more rapidIy absorbed in the Iung 1754 02:16:50,911 --> 02:16:53,037 and therefore affect the brain and centraI nervous system. 1755 02:17:15,477 --> 02:17:17,061 (PHONE RINGING) 1756 02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:20,106 -Hello? -Jim, it's LoweII. 1757 02:17:20,190 --> 02:17:22,901 -Hey, where are you? -Remember that night at PJ's? 1758 02:17:22,985 --> 02:17:25,445 You asked me if we were sitting on something explosive. 1759 02:17:25,529 --> 02:17:27,071 Well, we're not sitting on it. 1760 02:17:27,156 --> 02:17:30,909 CBS Corporate leaned on CBS News, which yanked an interview we did 1761 02:17:30,993 --> 02:17:34,829 with a top-ranking tobacco scientist, corporate officer. 1762 02:17:34,914 --> 02:17:37,165 They're trying to close down the story. 1763 02:17:37,249 --> 02:17:40,543 You mean, 60 Minutes is letting CBS Corporate 1764 02:17:40,628 --> 02:17:42,754 decide what is or is not news? 1765 02:17:42,838 --> 02:17:45,423 What's Wallace think about this? Or Hewitt, or... 1766 02:17:45,507 --> 02:17:47,634 How prominent? What kind of placement? 1767 02:17:47,968 --> 02:17:51,512 Oh, come on, Lowell. This is The New York Times. I don't know. 1768 02:17:51,597 --> 02:17:55,266 WeII, untiI you do, aII I can teII you is what you aIready know. 1769 02:17:55,351 --> 02:17:57,352 They will not air an interview. 1770 02:17:58,187 --> 02:17:59,729 Call me back in 1 0. 1771 02:18:01,649 --> 02:18:03,191 (PHONE RINGING) 1772 02:18:07,863 --> 02:18:10,114 -Hello? -Debbie, it's me. 1773 02:18:10,199 --> 02:18:12,617 Hi. What time is it? 1774 02:18:12,701 --> 02:18:13,952 Oh, it's Iate. 1775 02:18:14,036 --> 02:18:16,621 That I know. When are you coming back? 1776 02:18:16,705 --> 02:18:19,791 I can't get out of here till mid-morning. I'll be in tomorrow night. 1777 02:18:19,875 --> 02:18:23,002 Listen, could you call a number for me? It's in Mississippi. 1778 02:18:23,462 --> 02:18:25,380 Okay. Hold on a second. 1779 02:18:28,425 --> 02:18:29,717 What is it? 1780 02:18:33,555 --> 02:18:35,098 (PHONE RINGING) 1781 02:18:35,557 --> 02:18:37,475 -Hello? -lt's Lowell. 1782 02:18:37,559 --> 02:18:41,646 All right, Lowell. Page one. Editorial's interested. Let's talk. 1783 02:18:41,730 --> 02:18:45,316 Here's how it works. You ask me questions. I tell you if you're wrong. 1784 02:18:46,610 --> 02:18:49,862 -Lowell, you sure you want to do this? -Why? 1785 02:18:50,489 --> 02:18:53,574 Hey, it doesn't work, you've burned your bridges, man. 1786 02:18:54,118 --> 02:18:55,410 You ready? 1787 02:18:56,245 --> 02:18:58,830 Okay. About this whistle-blower, 1788 02:18:58,914 --> 02:19:01,624 did Mike and Don go along with the corporate decision? 1789 02:19:03,752 --> 02:19:07,588 -Lowell? -Did I tell you you were wrong? 1790 02:19:08,882 --> 02:19:12,719 No. I'm assuming the cave-in begins 1791 02:19:12,803 --> 02:19:15,054 with the threat of litigation from Big Tobacco. 1792 02:19:15,139 --> 02:19:16,764 Are we talking... 1793 02:19:17,641 --> 02:19:19,809 Are we taIking Brown and Williamson here? 1794 02:19:53,302 --> 02:19:55,344 WALLACE: Did I get you up? 1795 02:19:55,637 --> 02:19:59,724 No, I usually sit around my hotel room dressed like this at 5:30 in the morning, 1796 02:19:59,808 --> 02:20:01,726 sleepy look on my face. 1797 02:20:03,687 --> 02:20:05,563 How many shows have we done? Huh? 1798 02:20:05,647 --> 02:20:07,899 -Come on. How many? -Oh, lots. 1799 02:20:07,983 --> 02:20:09,150 That's right. 1800 02:20:11,820 --> 02:20:14,238 But in all that time, Mike, 1801 02:20:14,323 --> 02:20:17,116 did you ever get off a plane, walk into a room 1802 02:20:17,201 --> 02:20:20,495 and find that a source for a story changed his mind? 1803 02:20:22,539 --> 02:20:24,749 Lost his heart? Walked out on us? 1804 02:20:24,833 --> 02:20:27,627 Not one fucking time. You wanna know why? 1805 02:20:28,087 --> 02:20:30,254 I see a rhetorical question on the horizon. 1806 02:20:30,339 --> 02:20:32,215 I'm gonna tell you why. 1807 02:20:32,299 --> 02:20:35,760 Because when I tell someone I'm gonna do something, I deliver. 1808 02:20:36,303 --> 02:20:40,098 Oh, how fortunate I am to have Lowell Bergman's moral tutelage 1809 02:20:40,182 --> 02:20:42,892 to point me down the shining path, to show me the way. 1810 02:20:42,976 --> 02:20:45,103 -Give me a break. -You give me a break. 1811 02:20:45,187 --> 02:20:48,314 I never left a source hung out to dry ever. 1812 02:20:48,398 --> 02:20:51,317 Abandoned. Not till right fucking now. 1813 02:20:51,944 --> 02:20:55,154 When I came on this job, I came with my word intact. 1814 02:20:55,239 --> 02:20:58,616 I'm gonna leave with my word intact. Fuck the rules of the game! 1815 02:20:59,201 --> 02:21:01,327 Hell, you're supposed to know me, Mike. 1816 02:21:01,411 --> 02:21:03,246 What the hell did you expect? 1817 02:21:03,330 --> 02:21:05,498 You expect me to lie down? 1818 02:21:05,999 --> 02:21:08,835 Back off? Or get over it? 1819 02:21:08,919 --> 02:21:13,381 In the real world, when you get to where I am, there are other considerations. 1820 02:21:13,465 --> 02:21:16,592 Like what? Corporate responsibility? 1821 02:21:16,677 --> 02:21:18,594 What, are we talking celebrity here? 1822 02:21:18,679 --> 02:21:22,640 I'm not talking about celebrity, vanity, CBS. I'm... 1823 02:21:24,184 --> 02:21:25,309 I'm talking about 1824 02:21:25,394 --> 02:21:28,062 when you're nearer the end of your life than the beginning. 1825 02:21:29,231 --> 02:21:32,024 And what do you think you think about then? The future? 1826 02:21:33,026 --> 02:21:35,570 "In the future, I'm gonna do this, become that"? 1827 02:21:35,654 --> 02:21:37,822 What future? No. 1828 02:21:37,906 --> 02:21:39,490 What you think is... 1829 02:21:40,909 --> 02:21:43,995 "How will I be regarded in the end, 1830 02:21:44,079 --> 02:21:45,913 "after I'm gone?" 1831 02:21:47,749 --> 02:21:50,626 Oh, along the way, I suppose I made some minor impact. 1832 02:21:51,044 --> 02:21:55,339 I did Irangate, the Ayatollah, Malcolm X, 1833 02:21:55,424 --> 02:21:58,342 Martin Luther King, Saddam, Sadat, etc., etc. 1834 02:21:58,427 --> 02:22:03,806 I showed them thieves in suits. I spent a lifetime building all that. 1835 02:22:06,685 --> 02:22:10,438 But history only remembers most what you did last. 1836 02:22:12,024 --> 02:22:15,151 And should that be fronting a segment 1837 02:22:15,235 --> 02:22:18,988 that allowed a tobacco giant to crash this network... 1838 02:22:25,078 --> 02:22:29,582 Does it give someone at my time of life pause? 1839 02:22:33,128 --> 02:22:34,462 Yeah. 1840 02:22:42,095 --> 02:22:43,554 Mike, 1841 02:22:49,811 --> 02:22:52,897 You and I have been doing this 1842 02:22:52,981 --> 02:22:56,067 together for 14 years. 1843 02:22:58,570 --> 02:23:00,571 This is today's New York Times. 1844 02:23:01,323 --> 02:23:03,741 In it is the whole sordid story 1845 02:23:03,825 --> 02:23:05,910 of what went on inside our shop. 1846 02:23:07,496 --> 02:23:10,831 And in the editorial, it accuses us 1847 02:23:12,125 --> 02:23:15,086 of betraying the legacy of Edward R. Murrow. 1848 02:23:24,638 --> 02:23:26,347 (DOOR OPENS) 1849 02:23:29,184 --> 02:23:31,102 (DOOR CLOSES) 1850 02:23:40,362 --> 02:23:43,030 They conclude most of it seems pretty unsubstantiated. 1851 02:23:52,165 --> 02:23:54,083 You're full of shit, John. 1852 02:24:00,090 --> 02:24:01,716 (PHONE RINGING) 1853 02:24:05,721 --> 02:24:06,887 Yeah. 1854 02:24:06,972 --> 02:24:09,515 DEBBIE: Front page. There's a picture of Wigand. 1855 02:24:09,599 --> 02:24:11,475 Article's entitled, "Getting Personal." 1856 02:24:11,560 --> 02:24:13,728 Byline to Suein Hwang and Milo Geyelin. 1857 02:24:13,812 --> 02:24:15,563 Wait. HoId on a second, LoweII. 1858 02:24:17,232 --> 02:24:18,357 Yeah. 1859 02:24:22,612 --> 02:24:25,072 Yeah, I'll see if I can find him. 1860 02:24:25,157 --> 02:24:28,284 Yeah, hold on. Don's looking for you. 1861 02:24:28,744 --> 02:24:30,077 Good. 1862 02:24:30,162 --> 02:24:32,079 The subheading is "Brown and Williamson 1863 02:24:32,164 --> 02:24:35,082 "has a 500-page dossier attacking chief critic." 1864 02:24:35,167 --> 02:24:37,668 It quotes Richard Scruggs calling it the worst kind 1865 02:24:37,753 --> 02:24:41,088 of an organized smear campaign against a whistle-blower. 1866 02:24:41,173 --> 02:24:42,548 "A close look at the file 1867 02:24:42,632 --> 02:24:44,633 "and independent research by this newspaper 1868 02:24:44,718 --> 02:24:48,012 "into its key claim indicates that many of the serious allegations 1869 02:24:48,096 --> 02:24:52,767 "against Mr. Wigand are backed by scant or contradictory evidence." 1870 02:25:12,788 --> 02:25:15,247 BERGMAN: This news division has been vilified 1871 02:25:15,332 --> 02:25:18,417 in The New York Times, in print, on television 1872 02:25:18,502 --> 02:25:20,086 for caving to corporate interests. 1873 02:25:20,170 --> 02:25:21,712 The New York Times ran a blow-by-blow 1874 02:25:21,797 --> 02:25:24,131 of what we talked about behind closed doors. 1875 02:25:24,216 --> 02:25:27,176 -You fucked us! -No! You fucked you! 1876 02:25:27,260 --> 02:25:29,053 Don't invert stuff. 1877 02:25:29,137 --> 02:25:32,139 Big Tobacco tried to smear Wigand. You bought it. 1878 02:25:32,224 --> 02:25:34,058 The WaII Street JournaI, here, 1879 02:25:34,142 --> 02:25:37,895 not exactly a bastion of anti-capitalist sentiment, 1880 02:25:37,979 --> 02:25:40,648 refutes Big Tobacco's smear campaign 1881 02:25:40,732 --> 02:25:43,859 as the lowest form of character assassination. 1882 02:25:43,944 --> 02:25:46,028 And now, even now, when every word 1883 02:25:46,113 --> 02:25:48,989 of what Wigand has said on our show is printed, 1884 02:25:49,074 --> 02:25:52,827 the entire deposition of his testimony in a court of law 1885 02:25:52,911 --> 02:25:54,078 in the State of Mississippi, 1886 02:25:54,162 --> 02:25:57,164 the cat totally out of the bag, 1887 02:25:57,874 --> 02:25:59,959 you're still standing here debating. 1888 02:26:00,752 --> 02:26:04,004 Don, what the hell else do you need? 1889 02:26:05,173 --> 02:26:07,133 Mike, you tell him. 1890 02:26:07,217 --> 02:26:08,968 You fucked up, Don. 1891 02:26:16,351 --> 02:26:19,186 It's old news. Stick with me, like always. We'll be okay. 1892 02:26:19,271 --> 02:26:21,355 These things have a half-life of 1 5 minutes. 1893 02:26:22,566 --> 02:26:26,444 No, that's fame. Fame has a 1 5-minute half-life. 1894 02:26:26,528 --> 02:26:28,487 Infamy lasts a little longer. 1895 02:26:29,364 --> 02:26:33,576 We caved. It's foolish. It's simply dead wrong. 1896 02:26:34,286 --> 02:26:37,580 Now this is what we're going to do. We're going over to Black Rock... 1897 02:26:41,418 --> 02:26:45,629 Okay? So let's get back to work. Now, what we saw there 1898 02:26:45,714 --> 02:26:48,466 was two potassium chlorate 1899 02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:53,721 would yield two potassium chloride, also a solid... 1900 02:26:56,141 --> 02:26:57,683 (NO AUDIO) 1901 02:27:04,024 --> 02:27:07,818 They canceled the 6:00. I don't know why. 1902 02:27:08,236 --> 02:27:11,989 I'm on the 8:1 0. I should be home 9:30. 1903 02:27:12,407 --> 02:27:14,867 I'll see you then. I love you. Bye. 1904 02:27:29,090 --> 02:27:31,091 -Oh. Thanks, Dad. -Thanks. 1905 02:27:35,555 --> 02:27:37,181 (TICKING) 1906 02:27:40,644 --> 02:27:42,269 (TICKING CONTINUES) 1907 02:27:43,438 --> 02:27:45,439 CBS management wouldn't let us broadcast 1908 02:27:45,524 --> 02:27:48,859 our originaI story and our interview with Jeffrey Wigand 1909 02:27:48,944 --> 02:27:51,529 because they were worried about the possibiIity 1910 02:27:51,613 --> 02:27:56,200 of a multi-billion dollar lawsuit against us for tortious interference. 1911 02:27:56,785 --> 02:27:58,953 But now things have changed. 1912 02:27:59,037 --> 02:28:01,830 What Dr. Wigand toId us was that his former... 1913 02:28:02,332 --> 02:28:05,125 (WOMAN VOCALIZING) 1914 02:28:06,461 --> 02:28:08,587 (NO DIALOGUE) 1915 02:28:30,610 --> 02:28:33,779 MOORE: This industry, in my opinion, is an industry 1916 02:28:33,863 --> 02:28:37,908 that has perpetrated the biggest fraud on the American pubIic in history. 1917 02:28:37,993 --> 02:28:39,493 They've kiIIed miIIions and miIIions of... 1918 02:28:40,787 --> 02:28:42,705 (NO AUDIO) 1919 02:29:03,393 --> 02:29:05,394 WALLACE ON TV: You wish you hadn't bIown the whistIe? 1920 02:29:06,605 --> 02:29:09,064 Yeah, there are times l wish l hadn't done it. 1921 02:29:11,067 --> 02:29:14,486 There are times I feeI compeIIed to do it. 1922 02:29:16,281 --> 02:29:20,993 If you'd asked me, wouId I do it again, do l think it's worth it? 1923 02:29:24,748 --> 02:29:26,707 Yeah, I think it's worth it. 1924 02:29:32,088 --> 02:29:35,549 I promised you a three-hour heads up. Here it is. 1925 02:29:35,634 --> 02:29:39,136 Have a camera crew standing by in Helena, Montana, on Tuesday, 1926 02:29:39,220 --> 02:29:40,971 and I'll give you a three-hour head start. 1927 02:29:41,056 --> 02:29:44,475 All right? By the way, that was a hell of a good show tonight. 1928 02:29:44,559 --> 02:29:46,435 -Thank you, BiII. -Yeah. 1929 02:30:05,955 --> 02:30:07,873 You won. 1930 02:30:09,250 --> 02:30:10,668 Yeah. 1931 02:30:14,547 --> 02:30:16,465 What did I win? 1932 02:30:20,095 --> 02:30:23,055 MAN ON TV: Reporting from CBS News world headquarters in New York, 1933 02:30:23,139 --> 02:30:24,181 good afternoon. 1934 02:30:24,265 --> 02:30:27,184 There has been a major break in the case of the so-called Unabomber. 1935 02:30:27,268 --> 02:30:29,687 CBS News has learned that a remote homesite 1936 02:30:29,771 --> 02:30:31,730 outside of LincoIn, Montana, 1937 02:30:31,815 --> 02:30:34,692 has been under FBl surveillance for several weeks. 1938 02:30:37,112 --> 02:30:38,612 WOMAN: Great, Lowell. 1939 02:30:47,455 --> 02:30:49,373 Thanks for this. 1940 02:30:50,250 --> 02:30:54,169 You know, we beat everybody. ABC, NBC, CNN. 1941 02:30:58,466 --> 02:30:59,883 Mike. 1942 02:31:07,225 --> 02:31:10,978 That Canada story still interest you? 1943 02:31:11,563 --> 02:31:13,313 Everything interests me. 1944 02:31:15,984 --> 02:31:17,484 I quit, Mike. 1945 02:31:20,613 --> 02:31:22,030 Bullshit. 1946 02:31:24,033 --> 02:31:27,494 Come on. It all worked out. 1947 02:31:28,830 --> 02:31:31,081 You came out okay in the end. 1948 02:31:32,167 --> 02:31:33,542 I did? 1949 02:31:33,626 --> 02:31:37,087 What do I tell a source on the next tough story? 1950 02:31:37,172 --> 02:31:40,382 "Hang in with us. You'll be fine. Maybe." 1951 02:31:40,467 --> 02:31:42,092 No. 1952 02:31:43,303 --> 02:31:47,681 What got broken here doesn't go back together again. 1953 02:31:54,189 --> 02:31:55,522 So, uh... 1954 02:34:19,584 --> 02:34:23,003 (WOMAN VOCALIZING) 1955 02:37:10,671 --> 02:37:12,589 (MUSIC ENDS)