1 00:00:04,503 --> 00:00:06,853 [indistinct radio chatter] 2 00:00:06,897 --> 00:00:09,769 [distant sirens] 3 00:00:18,648 --> 00:00:21,259 [gentle music] 4 00:00:21,303 --> 00:00:23,870 - I'm nobody. 5 00:00:23,914 --> 00:00:27,091 I'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo. 6 00:00:27,135 --> 00:00:29,876 I'm a boxcar and a jug of wine. 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,183 [helicopter whirring] 8 00:00:32,227 --> 00:00:35,273 You think that my mind is like your mind, but it isn't. 9 00:00:36,753 --> 00:00:38,624 There's no need to feel guilty. 10 00:00:38,668 --> 00:00:41,410 I haven't done anything I'm ashamed of. 11 00:00:41,453 --> 00:00:43,368 Because we're outlaws. 12 00:00:43,412 --> 00:00:45,718 [music intensifies] 13 00:00:45,762 --> 00:00:48,765 Yeah, when you're in war, you're in war, mister. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,901 Believe me, if I started murdering people, 15 00:00:54,945 --> 00:00:56,773 there'd be none of you left. 16 00:00:56,816 --> 00:01:00,211 ♪ 17 00:01:00,255 --> 00:01:02,126 - Friday night in Los Angeles, 18 00:01:02,170 --> 00:01:05,216 a movie actress and four of her friends were murdered. 19 00:01:05,260 --> 00:01:07,000 The circumstances were lurid. 20 00:01:07,044 --> 00:01:09,394 - In a scene described by one investigator 21 00:01:09,438 --> 00:01:11,048 as reminiscent of a weird religious rite... 22 00:01:11,092 --> 00:01:13,659 - This was at the home of movie director Roman Polanski. 23 00:01:13,703 --> 00:01:15,400 It was his wife... - Eight months pregnant. 24 00:01:15,444 --> 00:01:16,836 - ...who was one of the victims. 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,011 - Bodies were scattered inside, 26 00:01:18,055 --> 00:01:19,274 on the lawn and the driveway. 27 00:01:19,317 --> 00:01:21,450 - The others were a male hairdresser, 28 00:01:21,493 --> 00:01:24,235 the heiress to a coffee fortune, a writer, 29 00:01:24,279 --> 00:01:25,758 and a boy just out of high school. 30 00:01:25,802 --> 00:01:27,847 - A scene more tragic than any horror movie. 31 00:01:27,891 --> 00:01:29,762 - Stunned the city and shocked the world. 32 00:01:29,806 --> 00:01:31,938 - In all my years I have never seen anything 33 00:01:31,982 --> 00:01:33,114 like this before. 34 00:01:36,465 --> 00:01:38,684 - You all know it? - No. 35 00:01:38,728 --> 00:01:41,861 - At 8:30 this morning, Winifred Chapman, 36 00:01:41,905 --> 00:01:46,779 an employee, came to work at 10050 Cielo 37 00:01:46,823 --> 00:01:49,608 and found several bodies in the house, 38 00:01:49,652 --> 00:01:52,133 and immediately the police were notified. 39 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:55,832 The tentative identification of the persons are as follows. 40 00:01:56,702 --> 00:01:58,835 Sharon Polanski, 41 00:01:58,878 --> 00:02:01,272 Jay Sebring, 42 00:02:01,316 --> 00:02:04,188 Wojciech Frykowski, 43 00:02:04,232 --> 00:02:07,017 Abigail Folger, 44 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:09,498 and another man who is unknown. 45 00:02:09,541 --> 00:02:11,804 - Where were the bodies found? All in one room? 46 00:02:11,848 --> 00:02:15,156 - No, two of the bodies were found inside the house, 47 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:18,463 one in a vehicle, and two on the front lawn. 48 00:02:18,507 --> 00:02:20,639 - We understand she was pregnant, is that correct? 49 00:02:20,683 --> 00:02:23,512 - Yes, she is pregnant, but I'm not going to discuss how-- 50 00:02:23,555 --> 00:02:26,079 - Were any of the bodies badly mutilated? 51 00:02:26,123 --> 00:02:27,994 - This I'd rather not discuss. 52 00:02:28,038 --> 00:02:29,213 - Was there anything scrawled 53 00:02:29,257 --> 00:02:31,520 on the front door of that house in blood? 54 00:02:31,563 --> 00:02:33,826 - I can't answer that question. 55 00:02:33,870 --> 00:02:36,873 ♪ 56 00:02:36,916 --> 00:02:39,223 - Do you have any kind of an idea 57 00:02:39,267 --> 00:02:40,833 of who might have done it? 58 00:02:40,877 --> 00:02:43,053 Do you have any kind of APBs out, any suspects at all? 59 00:02:43,096 --> 00:02:45,838 - No, the only person we have at this time is Mr. Garretson, 60 00:02:45,882 --> 00:02:48,406 whom we are questioning, because he was on the premises 61 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:50,016 this morning when the maid arrived. 62 00:02:50,060 --> 00:02:52,018 - Why is this case more complicated than other cases 63 00:02:52,062 --> 00:02:53,498 that you can't comment? 64 00:02:53,542 --> 00:02:55,500 What's the difference in this case? 65 00:02:55,544 --> 00:02:57,415 - Well, how many cases and how many times do you have 66 00:02:57,459 --> 00:03:00,026 five persons that are found murdered at the same time? 67 00:03:00,070 --> 00:03:03,029 - ♪ Around, around 68 00:03:03,073 --> 00:03:05,249 - Living is what scares me. 69 00:03:05,293 --> 00:03:08,078 Dying is easy. 70 00:03:08,774 --> 00:03:11,037 - And a short time later, not far away, 71 00:03:11,081 --> 00:03:13,431 a middle-aged couple was found murdered 72 00:03:13,475 --> 00:03:15,868 in similar circumstances. 73 00:03:15,912 --> 00:03:18,915 - The latest murders were discovered during the night. 74 00:03:18,958 --> 00:03:23,049 The bodies of a man and his wife found in their home. 75 00:03:23,093 --> 00:03:25,791 Leno LaBianca, a supermarket owner, 76 00:03:25,835 --> 00:03:28,359 and his wife had both been stabbed to death, 77 00:03:28,403 --> 00:03:30,883 repeated stab wounds. 78 00:03:30,927 --> 00:03:34,757 On his body, the word "war" had been carved in the chest. 79 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,239 Then, with blood, the killer had scrawled the words 80 00:03:38,282 --> 00:03:40,371 "death to pigs." 81 00:03:40,415 --> 00:03:45,420 ♪ 82 00:03:45,463 --> 00:03:48,379 - Oh my God, it's happened again. 83 00:03:48,423 --> 00:03:52,905 - The slaughter of innocent people. 84 00:03:52,949 --> 00:03:57,388 - That set off a panic state in Los Angeles. 85 00:03:57,432 --> 00:03:58,998 - People locked their doors at night. 86 00:03:59,042 --> 00:04:01,262 People started arming themselves. 87 00:04:02,959 --> 00:04:04,830 [police sirens] 88 00:04:04,874 --> 00:04:07,485 [tense music] 89 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:13,099 [gentle music] 90 00:04:13,143 --> 00:04:20,281 ♪ 91 00:05:06,501 --> 00:05:08,807 - We thought she was a British star. 92 00:05:08,851 --> 00:05:11,375 Come to find out, she's an American all the time. 93 00:05:11,419 --> 00:05:14,683 A beautiful young lady you're gonna be hearing a lot from. 94 00:05:14,726 --> 00:05:16,815 She's in London filming "The Vampire Killers," 95 00:05:16,859 --> 00:05:19,688 a new film by director Roman Polanski. 96 00:05:19,731 --> 00:05:22,778 Sharon Tate is the young lady's name. 97 00:05:23,387 --> 00:05:26,651 - I was born in Dallas, Texas. 98 00:05:26,695 --> 00:05:28,653 - And lived all of your life in America? 99 00:05:28,697 --> 00:05:31,395 - Not really, I lived in Italy for four years. 100 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:33,702 - Why was that? - My dad's in the Army. 101 00:05:34,137 --> 00:05:36,269 - An Army brat made good, huh? 102 00:05:36,313 --> 00:05:38,228 - Yeah, I try. - Oh, that's great. 103 00:05:38,271 --> 00:05:39,925 And now you have a monster movie. 104 00:05:39,969 --> 00:05:42,363 - And now--not really. - What's it called? 105 00:05:42,406 --> 00:05:46,279 - It's called "The Vampire Killers," Roman Polanski. 106 00:05:46,323 --> 00:05:47,890 - Sharon? 107 00:05:47,933 --> 00:05:49,544 Sharon? 108 00:05:50,632 --> 00:05:53,591 Looking at him, not at me, okay? 109 00:05:53,635 --> 00:05:55,506 - Looking at the husband? - Yeah. 110 00:05:55,550 --> 00:05:57,813 - You know, uh-- - Yeah. 111 00:06:01,077 --> 00:06:03,558 - Quiet in the back. - Turnover. 112 00:06:06,169 --> 00:06:07,866 - During that period when I was in London, 113 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:10,695 I remember an instant when I was thinking, 114 00:06:10,739 --> 00:06:13,959 "I'm happy now and I don't want anything else." 115 00:06:16,658 --> 00:06:19,312 - London: two top film folk got spliced, 116 00:06:19,356 --> 00:06:21,706 and the present public turned out in force. 117 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:24,535 He is Polish-born director Roman Polanski. 118 00:06:24,579 --> 00:06:26,319 She's American actress Sharon Tate. 119 00:06:26,363 --> 00:06:28,887 And the huge public interest their wedding created 120 00:06:28,931 --> 00:06:30,889 shows that the magic of motion pictures 121 00:06:30,933 --> 00:06:32,978 is as strong today as ever. 122 00:06:33,022 --> 00:06:35,546 After the ceremony at Chelsea Registry Office, 123 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:37,940 the mini-gowned bride and the mod-geared mate 124 00:06:37,983 --> 00:06:41,509 made for the Playboy Club and a star-studded reception. 125 00:06:44,468 --> 00:06:46,078 Bunnies lavished champagne 126 00:06:46,122 --> 00:06:48,124 on some of the top names in show business. 127 00:06:49,952 --> 00:06:51,736 Michael Caine keeping company 128 00:06:51,780 --> 00:06:54,173 with very dishy Candice Bergen. 129 00:06:54,217 --> 00:06:55,740 The bride will keep working. 130 00:06:55,784 --> 00:06:58,308 Hubby says he wants a hippie, not a housewife. 131 00:06:58,351 --> 00:07:00,745 That was the only serious note of the day. 132 00:07:00,789 --> 00:07:04,140 Tony Newley got the star set really shaking. 133 00:07:04,183 --> 00:07:06,969 [upbeat music] 134 00:07:14,324 --> 00:07:17,632 - California. Mean temperature 73 degrees. 135 00:07:17,675 --> 00:07:20,765 The sun that never quits. 136 00:07:20,809 --> 00:07:22,767 It acts on the unburned hydrocarbons 137 00:07:22,811 --> 00:07:26,379 and oxides of nitrogen from auto exhaust. 138 00:07:26,423 --> 00:07:29,121 Los Angeles County, with four million cars 139 00:07:29,165 --> 00:07:33,212 and the odd bike suffers most because it's in a basin. 140 00:07:34,257 --> 00:07:35,519 The breezes are balmy. 141 00:07:35,563 --> 00:07:38,000 There's nothing to stir up that brown cloud 142 00:07:38,043 --> 00:07:39,828 that can make your eyes tear. 143 00:07:40,437 --> 00:07:43,875 85% of it attributed to cars. 144 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:47,879 The more general effect, our whole climate is warming up 145 00:07:47,923 --> 00:07:50,534 because there's so much carbon dioxide in the air. 146 00:07:50,578 --> 00:07:53,798 It's so heavy that it prevents the radiation of heat 147 00:07:53,842 --> 00:07:55,670 from the Earth's surface. 148 00:07:56,366 --> 00:07:58,977 [inhales deeply] 149 00:07:59,021 --> 00:08:01,850 Ahh, breathe in, city folk. 150 00:08:03,373 --> 00:08:06,332 [Charles Manson's "Don't Do Anything Illegal"] 151 00:08:06,376 --> 00:08:13,252 ♪ 152 00:08:20,042 --> 00:08:22,740 - ♪ Don't do anything illegal ♪ 153 00:08:23,872 --> 00:08:26,570 ♪ Beware of the eagle 154 00:08:26,614 --> 00:08:29,399 ♪ That's right in the middle of your back ♪ 155 00:08:29,965 --> 00:08:31,575 ♪ Don't be illegal ♪ 156 00:08:31,619 --> 00:08:34,056 ♪ They got 157 00:08:36,319 --> 00:08:38,887 ♪ You in a sack 158 00:08:39,452 --> 00:08:42,238 ♪ They got you in a sack ♪ 159 00:08:43,282 --> 00:08:46,416 ♪ And they keep you looking back ♪ 160 00:08:46,808 --> 00:08:48,853 ♪ 161 00:08:48,897 --> 00:08:51,203 ♪ Don't do anything illegal 162 00:08:51,247 --> 00:08:55,468 ♪ Beware of the eagle that's got you by the neck ♪ 163 00:08:55,512 --> 00:08:59,690 ♪ 164 00:08:59,734 --> 00:09:03,215 - This is where they lived, among the stables, barns, 165 00:09:03,259 --> 00:09:05,391 and phony buildings of an old, 166 00:09:05,435 --> 00:09:08,786 run-down movie location 20 miles from Los Angeles. 167 00:09:08,830 --> 00:09:11,049 They called themselves "The Family." 168 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:13,051 - ♪ I gotta see your ID my friend ♪ 169 00:09:13,095 --> 00:09:16,402 ♪ I gotta see where you begin ♪ 170 00:09:16,446 --> 00:09:18,317 ♪ I gotta see your ID my friend ♪ 171 00:09:18,361 --> 00:09:21,146 - Back and forth, lugging their sleeping bags. 172 00:09:21,190 --> 00:09:24,149 They just lived anywhere they felt like it. 173 00:09:24,193 --> 00:09:25,324 With they're family. 174 00:09:25,368 --> 00:09:27,457 - They were constantly taking dope, 175 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:28,763 and they just sit around all day 176 00:09:28,806 --> 00:09:31,330 and sleep and got loaded. 177 00:09:31,374 --> 00:09:34,072 - Police said they were a pseudo-religious cult. 178 00:09:34,116 --> 00:09:36,771 The family's leader, Charles Manson-- 179 00:09:36,814 --> 00:09:39,425 - He's a good person. A very good person. 180 00:09:39,469 --> 00:09:40,949 He's got a lot of peace. 181 00:09:40,992 --> 00:09:44,169 - He was introduced to us as their idol and leader, 182 00:09:44,213 --> 00:09:47,433 and he was always interested in music. 183 00:09:47,477 --> 00:09:50,611 And everywhere he went, some of the girls kinda followed him 184 00:09:50,654 --> 00:09:53,265 and laughed and talk and sang. 185 00:09:53,309 --> 00:09:55,093 - Well, when I first met him, the man talked to me, 186 00:09:55,137 --> 00:09:56,965 and he says, "Why don't you come up?" 187 00:09:57,008 --> 00:10:00,272 "and the rules are that, you know, there is no rules." 188 00:10:00,316 --> 00:10:02,492 "You just look at it, and just be beautiful with it, 189 00:10:02,535 --> 00:10:04,189 and it's just beautiful to you." 190 00:10:04,233 --> 00:10:06,278 - Yeah. - You know, and I love him. 191 00:10:06,322 --> 00:10:10,369 - His so-called power, which is-it only lies in his happiness. 192 00:10:10,413 --> 00:10:13,503 That's what attracts people is he's completely happy. 193 00:10:13,546 --> 00:10:15,113 - And warm. - Gentle. 194 00:10:15,157 --> 00:10:18,290 He dances, he sings, he looks beautiful, 195 00:10:18,334 --> 00:10:21,293 he looks happy, and this draws a lot of people, 196 00:10:21,337 --> 00:10:23,687 just like people are drawn to little babies. 197 00:10:23,731 --> 00:10:25,646 - That's all there is, that's all there is, 198 00:10:25,689 --> 00:10:26,951 is brothers and sisters, 199 00:10:26,995 --> 00:10:30,868 and Charles Manson is your brother. 200 00:10:30,912 --> 00:10:32,565 - Morning. - Why? 201 00:10:32,609 --> 00:10:34,219 - Sun's shining this morning. - It is. 202 00:10:34,263 --> 00:10:36,134 - Yeah. - Well, what are your plans? 203 00:10:36,178 --> 00:10:38,833 - I have none. 204 00:10:38,876 --> 00:10:39,964 Going to the desert. 205 00:10:40,008 --> 00:10:42,663 - Desert? - Yeah. 206 00:10:45,361 --> 00:10:49,060 - So you were 14, 15, 16 during that time? 207 00:10:49,104 --> 00:10:51,323 - I met him when I was 14. 208 00:10:51,367 --> 00:10:54,675 He was kind of impish and playful, you know? 209 00:10:54,718 --> 00:10:55,893 He could be funny. 210 00:10:55,937 --> 00:10:59,157 [gentle music] 211 00:10:59,201 --> 00:11:00,506 ♪ 212 00:11:00,550 --> 00:11:03,205 He was in the circle playing music, 213 00:11:03,248 --> 00:11:05,511 and he got up and offered me his root beer, 214 00:11:05,555 --> 00:11:07,731 and gave me a big hug, 215 00:11:07,775 --> 00:11:09,907 and "Come, join us in the circle." 216 00:11:09,951 --> 00:11:12,388 We, you know, "We've been waiting for you." 217 00:11:13,737 --> 00:11:16,566 It just all ended up seeming, 218 00:11:16,609 --> 00:11:19,525 you know, like providence or something. 219 00:11:19,569 --> 00:11:24,617 ♪ 220 00:11:24,661 --> 00:11:30,188 Spahn Ranch had been a movie set for lots of westerns. 221 00:11:30,232 --> 00:11:33,452 And when we first saw it, that's what it was. 222 00:11:33,496 --> 00:11:37,587 It was kind of a run-down movie set. 223 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:42,548 The corral was way to the left and there was a big barn. 224 00:11:42,592 --> 00:11:46,248 There was the jail and there was a big saloon. 225 00:11:47,945 --> 00:11:52,428 But there were rooms behind them. 226 00:11:52,471 --> 00:11:55,344 And then there was the kitchen. 227 00:11:57,825 --> 00:12:01,785 There was a band of, like, we called them outlaw shacks. 228 00:12:03,613 --> 00:12:07,748 And then all the way to the right was George's house. 229 00:12:11,099 --> 00:12:15,103 He was blind, and it definitely showed. 230 00:12:17,018 --> 00:12:21,109 You know, the house was in as bad disrepair as, 231 00:12:21,152 --> 00:12:22,632 you know, the facade. 232 00:12:22,675 --> 00:12:25,766 It needed paint, inside and out. 233 00:12:30,988 --> 00:12:32,773 And we cleaned. 234 00:12:32,816 --> 00:12:37,125 You know, there was always tons of sweeping to do. 235 00:12:37,168 --> 00:12:40,824 We mucked out the stalls. 236 00:12:40,868 --> 00:12:42,826 And we helped out in the corral. 237 00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:45,481 We helped rent the horses. 238 00:12:45,524 --> 00:12:48,832 There were trails all over for riding horses into the hills 239 00:12:48,876 --> 00:12:50,878 where all the fabulous rocks are. 240 00:12:54,664 --> 00:12:55,970 We got high. 241 00:12:56,013 --> 00:12:59,147 Obviously, we got high. 242 00:13:02,367 --> 00:13:05,457 You know, I could just remember dancing together 243 00:13:05,501 --> 00:13:08,547 and just, you know, maybe cooking. 244 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:13,335 Helms Bakery would come by 245 00:13:13,378 --> 00:13:17,165 and give us their day-old stuff at the ranch. 246 00:13:19,732 --> 00:13:22,866 And Charlie introduced us to dumpster diving 247 00:13:22,910 --> 00:13:24,302 behind the grocery stores. 248 00:13:24,346 --> 00:13:26,217 We had our favorite ones, 249 00:13:26,261 --> 00:13:29,351 because they had better food that they threw out. 250 00:13:33,355 --> 00:13:35,052 You know, in the beginning, it was different. 251 00:13:35,096 --> 00:13:37,838 I mean, there was just like six of us girls. 252 00:13:40,101 --> 00:13:42,320 Mary was pretty reserved, actually. 253 00:13:42,364 --> 00:13:45,149 You know, she was very quiet. 254 00:13:45,193 --> 00:13:49,240 Mary really was like the matriarch of the Family. 255 00:13:49,284 --> 00:13:53,766 I think Mary probably a little bit resented, 256 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:56,857 you know, like all of us did, sharing Charlie. 257 00:13:58,728 --> 00:14:01,687 Patty Krenwinkel was just like Mother Earth, 258 00:14:01,731 --> 00:14:05,996 I mean, she was just one of the sweetest, humblest, 259 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,391 most nurturing girls in the Family. 260 00:14:13,395 --> 00:14:17,181 Leslie, she was just like a giggly high schooler. 261 00:14:17,225 --> 00:14:19,923 I viewed her as a little hottie, 262 00:14:19,967 --> 00:14:22,404 and I hadn't been to high school. 263 00:14:23,013 --> 00:14:25,189 She'd been like a homecoming queen, 264 00:14:25,233 --> 00:14:27,452 and she really came off like that. 265 00:14:31,282 --> 00:14:34,764 Sandy was very smart, but she was very needy. 266 00:14:35,156 --> 00:14:38,463 You got that sense that she was entitled. 267 00:14:39,987 --> 00:14:43,207 She has remained one of Charlie's 268 00:14:43,251 --> 00:14:45,644 most ardent followers. 269 00:14:48,256 --> 00:14:51,563 Susan Atkins was definitely more worldly. 270 00:14:51,607 --> 00:14:55,045 She'd been a stripper, maybe she'd even been a sex worker. 271 00:14:55,089 --> 00:14:56,917 You know, she'd been around the block. 272 00:14:59,658 --> 00:15:03,401 Gypsy came to the Family at Spahn Ranch. 273 00:15:03,445 --> 00:15:05,926 Gypsy liked that lifestyle. 274 00:15:08,015 --> 00:15:11,105 She was playful. She played the violin. 275 00:15:12,454 --> 00:15:14,630 She was definitely a true hippie. 276 00:15:17,459 --> 00:15:21,419 I was closest to, really, Lynette. 277 00:15:21,463 --> 00:15:24,640 Lynette was kind of looking out after George. 278 00:15:26,816 --> 00:15:33,170 Lynette was really the closest confidante to Charlie. 279 00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:37,958 He confided more in her than anybody. 280 00:15:40,308 --> 00:15:43,267 And I think that Charlie played a different role 281 00:15:43,311 --> 00:15:45,139 for each one of us. 282 00:15:46,662 --> 00:15:49,491 I was falling under Charlie's spell. 283 00:15:52,494 --> 00:15:57,281 - We were in a group marriage with all the lines blurred. 284 00:15:57,325 --> 00:15:59,022 We were brothers, sisters, 285 00:15:59,066 --> 00:16:03,331 mothers, fathers, lovers, everything to each other. 286 00:16:05,681 --> 00:16:07,465 One of the reasons we were pulled to Charlie 287 00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:09,337 was because he was a musician. 288 00:16:09,380 --> 00:16:11,817 All of us wanted to be musicians, 289 00:16:11,861 --> 00:16:14,864 and that's what we did every single night is play music. 290 00:16:14,907 --> 00:16:17,301 [upbeat guitar music] 291 00:16:17,345 --> 00:16:21,523 - ♪ Walking all alone not going anywhere ♪ 292 00:16:21,566 --> 00:16:25,657 ♪ Walking all alone and nobody seemed to care ♪ 293 00:16:25,701 --> 00:16:30,053 ♪ Restless as the wind, this town is killing me ♪ 294 00:16:30,097 --> 00:16:33,709 ♪ Got to put an end to this restless misery ♪ 295 00:16:37,365 --> 00:16:40,324 - Usually we'd get in the circle, 296 00:16:40,368 --> 00:16:44,763 and Charlie would administer the acid, 297 00:16:44,807 --> 00:16:47,288 like a sacrament, almost. 298 00:16:49,768 --> 00:16:54,773 Taking LSD, you can see the trees growing. 299 00:16:54,817 --> 00:16:57,776 I mean, you just really feel like at one 300 00:16:57,820 --> 00:17:01,171 with the Earth and the universe. 301 00:17:01,215 --> 00:17:02,433 I mean, you just kind of like, 302 00:17:02,477 --> 00:17:05,741 everything starts making more sense. 303 00:17:10,224 --> 00:17:12,095 And then at some point, 304 00:17:12,139 --> 00:17:15,707 he would orchestrate a love-in, 305 00:17:15,751 --> 00:17:19,755 you know, an orgy, for lack of a better word. 306 00:17:19,798 --> 00:17:22,540 I mean, we didn't think of it as an orgy, 307 00:17:22,584 --> 00:17:24,760 but that's really what it was. 308 00:17:24,803 --> 00:17:27,545 [gentle music] 309 00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,418 We were dependent upon each other. 310 00:17:31,114 --> 00:17:34,683 He didn't want us to think about our families. 311 00:17:36,293 --> 00:17:38,426 Forget your parents. 312 00:17:38,991 --> 00:17:40,558 You know, get rid of your inhibitions. 313 00:17:40,602 --> 00:17:43,561 You know, what the outside society says is wrong. 314 00:17:43,605 --> 00:17:45,998 You know, we're going in the right direction. 315 00:17:46,042 --> 00:17:50,438 ♪ 316 00:17:50,481 --> 00:17:53,571 [The Litter's "Action Woman"] 317 00:17:53,615 --> 00:17:58,272 ♪ 318 00:17:58,315 --> 00:18:01,405 - ♪ Hey Miss High and Mighty 319 00:18:01,449 --> 00:18:05,105 ♪ I've had all I can take 320 00:18:05,148 --> 00:18:08,369 ♪ Walking right on by me 321 00:18:09,021 --> 00:18:11,763 ♪ That's your last mistake ♪ 322 00:18:11,807 --> 00:18:15,637 ♪ I've got to find myself some action ♪ 323 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,596 ♪ Before I lose my mind 324 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,251 - This is Hollywood, the most famous, 325 00:18:21,295 --> 00:18:23,340 the most glamorous place in the world. 326 00:18:23,384 --> 00:18:26,169 It's a place of dreams, hopes, and riches. 327 00:18:26,213 --> 00:18:28,998 Let's go Hollywood backstage and see this unique 328 00:18:29,041 --> 00:18:31,957 and fascinating place called Hollywood. 329 00:18:32,001 --> 00:18:34,786 ♪ 330 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:39,922 - The Hollywood scene was quite a vibrant scene. 331 00:18:40,575 --> 00:18:43,839 It was a period when the Beach Boys were very big, 332 00:18:43,882 --> 00:18:46,058 Buffalo Springfield, the Byrds. 333 00:18:46,102 --> 00:18:49,497 They were all coming up fast. They were all big. 334 00:18:50,193 --> 00:18:51,803 The scene in the nightclubs 335 00:18:51,847 --> 00:18:55,067 was a crazy mélange of characters 336 00:18:55,111 --> 00:18:56,634 from the rock and roll world 337 00:18:56,678 --> 00:18:58,680 and characters from the underworld. 338 00:19:01,030 --> 00:19:03,641 You could see the celebrities hanging out 339 00:19:03,685 --> 00:19:08,255 at Jack Hanson's Daisy Club in Beverly Hills. 340 00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:13,999 Jack Hanson and his wife, Sally, designed Jack Slacks. 341 00:19:14,043 --> 00:19:16,001 - Hollywood is the place 342 00:19:16,045 --> 00:19:18,482 where women started wearing pants, 343 00:19:18,526 --> 00:19:21,006 led by Marlene Dietrich in the '30s. 344 00:19:21,050 --> 00:19:24,358 Slacks are now an accepted item of feminine apparel. 345 00:19:24,401 --> 00:19:26,664 But at Jack's of Beverly Hills, 346 00:19:26,708 --> 00:19:29,754 they achieve a new, impressive status. 347 00:19:29,798 --> 00:19:33,193 - He could make women, particularly actresses, 348 00:19:33,236 --> 00:19:36,239 look sleek and sexy. 349 00:19:36,283 --> 00:19:38,067 Jack made a lot of money from it, 350 00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:40,548 and he opened his own club. 351 00:19:40,591 --> 00:19:43,028 You didn't apply for membership to Jack's. 352 00:19:43,072 --> 00:19:45,117 You were invited to join. 353 00:19:45,161 --> 00:19:49,252 Steve McQueen, Roman Polanski there with Sharon Tate. 354 00:19:49,296 --> 00:19:51,341 Then of course, there was Jay Sebring, 355 00:19:51,385 --> 00:19:53,778 who earned huge amounts of money 356 00:19:53,822 --> 00:19:57,217 for giving a movie star a haircut. 357 00:19:58,392 --> 00:19:59,958 And they could go wild, 358 00:20:00,002 --> 00:20:02,047 and they could know that no paparazzi 359 00:20:02,091 --> 00:20:04,441 would take their picture. 360 00:20:04,485 --> 00:20:06,704 Drugs were being used. 361 00:20:06,748 --> 00:20:08,793 If you saw it, you didn't talk about it. 362 00:20:09,794 --> 00:20:12,580 Many stars were probably looking 363 00:20:12,623 --> 00:20:14,582 for a little bit of an extra kick, 364 00:20:14,625 --> 00:20:18,281 so anybody with kind of a rough reputation 365 00:20:18,325 --> 00:20:20,414 might have been adopted into the scene. 366 00:20:34,123 --> 00:20:37,082 - They're doing this movie in Topanga Canyon, 367 00:20:37,126 --> 00:20:39,171 just a stupid nudie cutie, 368 00:20:39,215 --> 00:20:42,740 and they want a bunch of girls that can look like Indians. 369 00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:44,916 I read for them, and they said, 370 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,094 "We'd like to offer you one of the main roles." 371 00:20:49,138 --> 00:20:52,533 So that was "Ramrodder." 372 00:20:55,057 --> 00:20:58,103 I show up, and just a little ways off 373 00:20:58,147 --> 00:21:01,977 I see this stunningly handsome young man. 374 00:21:03,674 --> 00:21:08,331 And he came over, and he got really, really close, 375 00:21:08,375 --> 00:21:12,596 and he said, "I'm your love interest." 376 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,817 And he said, "Do you mind if I get a preview?" 377 00:21:18,036 --> 00:21:20,952 He lifted my top and goes, 378 00:21:20,996 --> 00:21:23,955 "Perfect, just like I thought." 379 00:21:23,999 --> 00:21:27,307 Turned around and said, "I'll see you later." 380 00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:28,873 And that's how I met Bobby. 381 00:21:29,483 --> 00:21:34,966 ♪ 382 00:21:35,010 --> 00:21:38,840 - Topanga was laid back compared to Los Angeles. 383 00:21:38,883 --> 00:21:41,146 You had the feeling that you were out in the country, 384 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:45,020 even though it was fairly close to civilization. 385 00:21:47,022 --> 00:21:50,155 The first time I met Charlie was down in the Topanga Canyon 386 00:21:50,199 --> 00:21:51,331 where it meets the highway. 387 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:57,641 I heard music coming from this old wooden house. 388 00:21:57,685 --> 00:21:59,991 I went up the spiral staircase. 389 00:22:00,035 --> 00:22:03,038 There was a guy in a plaid shirt singing, playing guitar. 390 00:22:04,561 --> 00:22:06,476 I started playing this little instrument 391 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,999 I found on the table, 392 00:22:08,043 --> 00:22:10,393 and just did the best I could to fit in 393 00:22:10,437 --> 00:22:12,526 with the man who was singing, 394 00:22:12,569 --> 00:22:16,051 who I was later introduced to as Charlie. 395 00:22:17,705 --> 00:22:20,185 After I moved into Topanga, 396 00:22:20,229 --> 00:22:22,623 I wanted to try to get some jobs playing guitar. 397 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:26,366 One day I did get a call from the bass player 398 00:22:26,409 --> 00:22:28,368 in a band called The Milky Way. 399 00:22:28,411 --> 00:22:32,067 The band was built around the songs that Charlie was doing. 400 00:22:32,763 --> 00:22:36,201 We played at the Topanga Corral I think two nights 401 00:22:36,245 --> 00:22:38,769 or three nights before we were fired. 402 00:22:40,162 --> 00:22:42,382 I wasn't gonna join his commune. 403 00:22:42,425 --> 00:22:44,209 I had no interest in that, 404 00:22:44,253 --> 00:22:46,951 but he is a person, as a musician, 405 00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:49,301 I did have an interest in. 406 00:22:49,345 --> 00:22:51,608 I thought he was worth investing 407 00:22:51,652 --> 00:22:53,915 a little of myself in. 408 00:22:55,046 --> 00:22:59,921 It was enough of an interest to me that I kept coming back. 409 00:23:00,095 --> 00:23:07,102 ♪ ♪ 410 00:23:22,291 --> 00:23:24,424 [mellow guitar music] 411 00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:25,773 - ♪ Pretty girl 412 00:23:27,165 --> 00:23:30,430 - A couple of girls met Dennis Wilson. 413 00:23:30,473 --> 00:23:32,083 He picked 'em up hitchhiking, 414 00:23:32,127 --> 00:23:34,825 and they introduced him to Charlie. 415 00:23:34,869 --> 00:23:38,263 - ♪ Cease to exist 416 00:23:38,307 --> 00:23:41,092 ♪ Just come and say you love me ♪ 417 00:23:41,136 --> 00:23:43,573 - I think the two must have hit it off. 418 00:23:43,617 --> 00:23:45,140 Suddenly we were, like, living there. 419 00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:50,014 - Give up your world ♪ 420 00:23:50,058 --> 00:23:53,627 ♪ Never learn not to love you ♪ 421 00:23:55,150 --> 00:23:58,196 - When we first drove into Dennis Wilson's estate, 422 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,372 there was peacocks roaming around 423 00:24:00,416 --> 00:24:02,853 and big eucalyptus trees, 424 00:24:02,897 --> 00:24:07,031 and just a rambling log home with a lot of glass. 425 00:24:09,860 --> 00:24:11,993 It was really beautiful. 426 00:24:14,517 --> 00:24:16,824 There was a guest house. 427 00:24:19,174 --> 00:24:21,002 Big swimming pool. 428 00:24:27,356 --> 00:24:31,186 Just a beautiful place, the inside, huge fireplace. 429 00:24:31,229 --> 00:24:34,232 Fireplace that you could walk into. 430 00:24:36,191 --> 00:24:39,542 Charlie was teaching Dennis how to play the guitar, 431 00:24:39,586 --> 00:24:45,635 and Dennis welcomed Charlie and us girls into his home, 432 00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:49,639 and we would take his Rolls Royce and go dumpster diving. 433 00:24:49,683 --> 00:24:51,815 We made food, and he was impressed. 434 00:24:51,859 --> 00:24:54,818 I remember making the strawberry cake, you know? 435 00:24:54,862 --> 00:24:57,517 And he was like, "Wow, this came out of a--" 436 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,519 You know, "This came out of a dumpster?" 437 00:25:01,477 --> 00:25:03,174 He would introduce Charlie 438 00:25:03,218 --> 00:25:06,090 to his other musician friends with pride. 439 00:25:06,134 --> 00:25:09,180 - [Charlie] Common people, man, so... 440 00:25:09,224 --> 00:25:13,010 - Both Terry Melcher and Gregg Jakobson came 441 00:25:13,054 --> 00:25:16,536 and listened to Charlie play the guitar and sing. 442 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:19,930 - Dennis called me up and was very excited, 443 00:25:19,974 --> 00:25:21,410 and said, "Come on, you've got to meet this guy 444 00:25:21,453 --> 00:25:23,543 and these girls," and he went on and on. 445 00:25:23,586 --> 00:25:27,590 And sure enough, it was quite an interesting scene. 446 00:25:27,634 --> 00:25:29,374 Everybody was having a good time, 447 00:25:29,418 --> 00:25:31,289 drinking beer, smoking a joint. 448 00:25:31,333 --> 00:25:33,553 Girls were in the swimming pool. 449 00:25:34,597 --> 00:25:37,382 Charlie was inside, and he was very demanding. 450 00:25:37,426 --> 00:25:39,907 He did garner your attention. 451 00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:41,865 He was a fascinating character. 452 00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:43,388 He was really interesting. 453 00:25:43,432 --> 00:25:45,216 - If you had a camera, I could dance. 454 00:25:45,260 --> 00:25:47,871 - Dennis used to call Charlie "the Wizard." 455 00:25:47,915 --> 00:25:51,092 He really thought that Charlie was magical. 456 00:25:51,135 --> 00:25:53,442 In the beginning, he was really enamored by him. 457 00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:56,053 - I wrote about a couple hundred songs, you know? 458 00:25:56,097 --> 00:26:01,581 - Dennis had an affinity for finding the waifs 459 00:26:01,624 --> 00:26:03,713 and people that seemed to be misfits. 460 00:26:03,757 --> 00:26:06,237 They would all seem to find him. 461 00:26:06,281 --> 00:26:09,632 That's where Charlie Manson came into the scene. 462 00:26:09,676 --> 00:26:12,504 He was one of Dennis's projects. 463 00:26:12,548 --> 00:26:15,246 - [chuckles] Huh? Yeah, well, I mean, you know-- 464 00:26:15,290 --> 00:26:19,816 - He wasn't a friend of mine, but I knew him. 465 00:26:19,860 --> 00:26:23,080 And he would find the places that we were, 466 00:26:23,124 --> 00:26:25,909 and he would just be there. 467 00:26:25,953 --> 00:26:28,433 I just thought he was a seedy little character, 468 00:26:28,477 --> 00:26:31,436 and I just, you know, and he also didn't bathe. 469 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,960 And none of those people did. 470 00:26:33,003 --> 00:26:35,745 And so you knew he was there a block away, 471 00:26:35,789 --> 00:26:38,443 just, you know, 'cause that's who he was. 472 00:26:38,487 --> 00:26:40,750 - The smartest people in the world 473 00:26:40,794 --> 00:26:42,970 are really the most cut off. 474 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,930 - And he would make you listen to this guy, 475 00:26:46,974 --> 00:26:48,932 and people were doing it to humor Dennis, 476 00:26:48,976 --> 00:26:50,760 or because of who he was, 477 00:26:50,804 --> 00:26:52,806 people were giving him the respect. 478 00:26:52,849 --> 00:26:55,373 - Take all the words away 479 00:26:55,417 --> 00:26:56,984 and don't think in right and wrong. 480 00:26:57,027 --> 00:27:00,552 Just think in truth and all the answers are there. 481 00:27:00,596 --> 00:27:02,293 The weirdest thing was 482 00:27:02,337 --> 00:27:04,687 first the parties were in the guest house, 483 00:27:04,731 --> 00:27:06,950 and this Manson and his crew would be there. 484 00:27:06,994 --> 00:27:09,561 And then it kind of flipped itself, 485 00:27:09,605 --> 00:27:12,956 and Dennis moved those people into his house, 486 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,481 and he stayed in the guest house on his own property. 487 00:27:16,525 --> 00:27:21,399 So, for some reason, Charlie was able to manipulate him. 488 00:27:21,443 --> 00:27:23,010 - Oh, yeah, this'll make you some money. 489 00:27:23,053 --> 00:27:24,707 This is a money song, yeah. 490 00:27:24,751 --> 00:27:27,144 - Charles had convinced him that the music 491 00:27:27,188 --> 00:27:28,972 that he was playing was good, 492 00:27:29,016 --> 00:27:31,496 and that he was gonna be a superstar, 493 00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:34,369 and so I guess Dennis went along with it, 494 00:27:34,412 --> 00:27:37,154 I guess, and tried introducing him to people, 495 00:27:37,198 --> 00:27:39,983 and to try to get him a record deal and all of that. 496 00:27:40,027 --> 00:27:41,898 - You do whatever you feel, man. 497 00:27:41,942 --> 00:27:43,204 - Yeah, well, then I won't-- I won't do-- 498 00:27:43,247 --> 00:27:44,553 - You know, whatever comes in your mind. 499 00:27:44,596 --> 00:27:46,686 - Yeah, all right. - I'm just sitting here, 500 00:27:46,729 --> 00:27:48,513 gonna groove with you for the next hour and a half, 501 00:27:48,557 --> 00:27:49,819 or hour and 45-- 502 00:27:49,863 --> 00:27:51,995 - We went to Brian Wilson's 503 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,695 to a session that they were gonna record maybe a demo. 504 00:27:56,565 --> 00:27:59,046 - Let's see, hmm-hm. 505 00:27:59,089 --> 00:28:00,221 [gentle guitar music] 506 00:28:00,264 --> 00:28:04,965 ♪ There's a time for living 507 00:28:05,617 --> 00:28:10,710 ♪ The time keeps on flying ♪ 508 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,061 ♪ Think you're loving baby ♪ 509 00:28:14,104 --> 00:28:17,020 ♪ And all you're doing is crying ♪ 510 00:28:17,064 --> 00:28:21,198 ♪ Can you feel are those feelings real ♪ 511 00:28:21,242 --> 00:28:24,245 ♪ Look at your game, girl 512 00:28:25,899 --> 00:28:29,729 ♪ Look at your game, girl 513 00:28:29,772 --> 00:28:33,602 ♪ What a sad, sad game 514 00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:37,084 ♪ Mad game 515 00:28:38,781 --> 00:28:42,263 ♪ Sad game 516 00:29:01,108 --> 00:29:03,240 - Summer was coming to an end. 517 00:29:03,284 --> 00:29:04,589 At some point, Dennis would have to leave. 518 00:29:04,633 --> 00:29:06,287 The Beach Boys were gonna go on the road. 519 00:29:07,984 --> 00:29:11,031 And that's when things would start to fall apart. 520 00:29:12,293 --> 00:29:14,469 I remember at one point Dennis is gone, 521 00:29:14,512 --> 00:29:16,645 One of the accountants for Dennis says, 522 00:29:16,688 --> 00:29:21,476 "You have a $1,200 Alta Dena Dairy bill." 523 00:29:22,346 --> 00:29:23,826 They were charging everything. 524 00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:25,697 They would--The Alta Dena Dairy man would, like, 525 00:29:25,741 --> 00:29:28,265 be unloading his truck there at the place. 526 00:29:28,309 --> 00:29:30,790 So that started to play on Dennis. 527 00:29:31,138 --> 00:29:33,618 He didn't want people to take advantage of him, 528 00:29:33,662 --> 00:29:36,360 nobody does, and that became more and more apparent 529 00:29:36,404 --> 00:29:38,493 that that's what was going on. 530 00:29:39,363 --> 00:29:41,365 That was, maybe more than anything else, 531 00:29:41,409 --> 00:29:43,803 the formal beginning of the split, 532 00:29:43,846 --> 00:29:45,805 of going their separate ways. 533 00:29:47,589 --> 00:29:49,634 He was gonna go away for two weeks, on the road, 534 00:29:49,678 --> 00:29:51,158 and he said, "Gregg, can you get me out of here? 535 00:29:51,201 --> 00:29:52,986 Can you find a house for me?" 536 00:29:53,377 --> 00:29:55,684 So, literally, I hired a moving company 537 00:29:55,727 --> 00:29:58,339 to take Dennis's personal stuff out of there. 538 00:30:00,254 --> 00:30:02,299 And the whole idea was to not let 539 00:30:02,343 --> 00:30:03,866 the girls and Charlie know. 540 00:30:03,910 --> 00:30:05,955 He was really trying to divorce himself from that. 541 00:30:05,999 --> 00:30:07,652 He was really done with it. 542 00:30:07,696 --> 00:30:09,567 all: We want the Beach Boys! 543 00:30:09,611 --> 00:30:12,875 We want the Beach Boys! We want the Beach Boys! 544 00:30:15,922 --> 00:30:18,402 [dramatic music] 545 00:30:19,012 --> 00:30:26,062 ♪ 546 00:30:27,237 --> 00:30:31,851 - In 1967, '68 and '69, 547 00:30:33,026 --> 00:30:36,507 we had bigotry, racial prejudice. 548 00:30:36,551 --> 00:30:39,554 [all chanting] 549 00:30:39,597 --> 00:30:42,818 And there were race riots in every major American city. 550 00:30:43,427 --> 00:30:45,516 - The simple fact is this. 551 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,085 We are in the worst crisis we have known since the Civil War. 552 00:30:49,129 --> 00:30:50,521 And time is running short 553 00:30:50,565 --> 00:30:52,784 to try to find some answers to it. 554 00:30:52,828 --> 00:30:57,180 [all singing] 555 00:30:57,224 --> 00:30:59,226 This was the image of the negro revolution 556 00:30:59,269 --> 00:31:01,184 only a few years ago. 557 00:31:01,228 --> 00:31:04,100 Negro and white, side by side. 558 00:31:04,144 --> 00:31:06,363 Patient negroes. 559 00:31:06,407 --> 00:31:09,192 The violence we saw was quite. 560 00:31:09,236 --> 00:31:11,194 We saw negroes hosed and beaten, 561 00:31:11,238 --> 00:31:12,935 harassed with dogs. 562 00:31:14,981 --> 00:31:18,375 Then, abruptly, shatteringly, the images were different. 563 00:31:18,419 --> 00:31:22,727 "Burn, baby, burn" drowned out "We shall overcome." 564 00:31:22,771 --> 00:31:26,601 ♪ 565 00:31:30,257 --> 00:31:32,650 - America is shocked and saddened 566 00:31:32,694 --> 00:31:38,439 by the brutal slaying tonight of Dr. Martin Luther King. 567 00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:44,836 I ask every citizen to reject the blind violence 568 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,057 that has struck Dr. King. 569 00:31:48,101 --> 00:31:50,407 - When the racists shot Martin Luther King, 570 00:31:50,451 --> 00:31:52,757 the bullet that killed him killed non-violence. 571 00:31:52,801 --> 00:31:56,065 - During rebellions, brother, you got to stop looting 572 00:31:56,109 --> 00:31:57,762 and start shooting. 573 00:31:57,806 --> 00:31:58,938 Black power, brothers. 574 00:31:58,981 --> 00:32:00,678 - Black power! 575 00:32:00,722 --> 00:32:03,246 - Charlie Manson thought black people were inferior, 576 00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:05,335 but he also feared them. 577 00:32:05,379 --> 00:32:09,122 He began by being afraid of the black Muslims in prison. 578 00:32:09,165 --> 00:32:10,950 [all chanting] 579 00:32:10,993 --> 00:32:14,562 So what Charlie talks about is a race war's coming. 580 00:32:15,345 --> 00:32:19,088 - The call was for violence, and it filled the air, 581 00:32:19,132 --> 00:32:21,308 it seemed, everywhere. 582 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:23,701 I saw myself reflected 583 00:32:23,745 --> 00:32:26,574 in the wildness of their hopes and stares. 584 00:32:29,316 --> 00:32:33,146 - We have been too non-violent! Too non-violent! 585 00:32:33,189 --> 00:32:35,800 - You are either for it or you are against it. 586 00:32:35,844 --> 00:32:40,762 - There is no such thing as a non-violent revolution! 587 00:32:41,284 --> 00:32:43,199 - He was convincing them, 588 00:32:43,243 --> 00:32:46,115 they were either gonna be murdered by the blacks, 589 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:48,509 or the blacks would make them slaves. 590 00:32:48,552 --> 00:32:51,729 ♪ 591 00:32:52,556 --> 00:32:55,124 The problem for a guru is if you promise 592 00:32:55,168 --> 00:32:56,734 that some great thing is gonna happen 593 00:32:56,778 --> 00:32:59,389 and it doesn't, you've let down your followers. 594 00:32:59,433 --> 00:33:01,870 You don't have the magic after all. 595 00:33:01,913 --> 00:33:04,699 So you've got to do the sleight of hand. 596 00:33:05,134 --> 00:33:08,485 He's playing them the Beatles' "White Album" over and over, 597 00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:11,488 and "Hear the messages the Beatles are sending us." 598 00:33:11,532 --> 00:33:14,143 "Blackbird" works in very well, 599 00:33:14,187 --> 00:33:16,754 "Piggies" works in very well. 600 00:33:16,798 --> 00:33:18,321 Then there's the song, "Helter Skelter," 601 00:33:18,365 --> 00:33:20,062 coming down fast. 602 00:33:22,195 --> 00:33:26,503 One of Charlie's basic creeds is that there is no crime, 603 00:33:26,547 --> 00:33:30,420 there is no sin, that it's all just a game, 604 00:33:30,464 --> 00:33:32,509 and that God's getting ready 605 00:33:32,553 --> 00:33:35,512 to pull down the curtain on this game 606 00:33:35,556 --> 00:33:39,212 and start it over again with his chosen people. 607 00:33:39,951 --> 00:33:41,779 And that when Helter Skelter comes down, 608 00:33:41,823 --> 00:33:44,869 that the cities are gonna be mass hysteria, 609 00:33:44,913 --> 00:33:46,697 and that the beast will fall, 610 00:33:46,741 --> 00:33:48,569 and the black man will take over. 611 00:33:49,265 --> 00:33:51,528 ♪ 612 00:33:51,572 --> 00:33:53,530 - So what do you want to do? You want to die, 613 00:33:53,574 --> 00:33:55,532 or do you want to come with me and rule the world? 614 00:33:55,576 --> 00:33:57,056 [all chanting] 615 00:33:57,099 --> 00:34:01,234 ♪ 616 00:34:06,413 --> 00:34:09,111 - These communes undergo a metamorphosis 617 00:34:09,155 --> 00:34:11,070 as this kind of culture is established. 618 00:34:11,113 --> 00:34:14,638 I think it's rather benign, but as it continues on, 619 00:34:14,682 --> 00:34:17,119 I think the degree of criminality increases 620 00:34:17,163 --> 00:34:20,122 until the whole spectrum of criminal activity 621 00:34:20,166 --> 00:34:22,603 is ultimately a result. 622 00:34:22,951 --> 00:34:26,085 [indistinct chatter] 623 00:34:29,131 --> 00:34:31,220 - We'd been at Dennis's house. 624 00:34:31,264 --> 00:34:33,744 That had all, you know, ended. 625 00:34:33,788 --> 00:34:38,532 Dennis had moved out, and then we moved back to Spahn Ranch. 626 00:34:38,836 --> 00:34:41,665 And that's when things 627 00:34:41,709 --> 00:34:46,105 started going a little, little crazier. 628 00:34:49,804 --> 00:34:53,590 The recording thing had-- didn't go well with Dennis. 629 00:34:53,634 --> 00:34:56,767 And then they were still kind of dangling a carrot, 630 00:34:56,811 --> 00:35:00,293 you know, to make a record, and then that didn't happen. 631 00:35:00,336 --> 00:35:03,296 And after that, 632 00:35:03,339 --> 00:35:06,734 then all the energy was about getting money. 633 00:35:09,302 --> 00:35:11,782 We got introduced to the desert. 634 00:35:11,826 --> 00:35:14,611 Race war, the Helter Skelter was gonna take place, 635 00:35:14,655 --> 00:35:16,831 and that this was gonna be a hiding place. 636 00:35:16,874 --> 00:35:18,876 [uneasy music] 637 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,445 Most of the people on the Earth would be gone, 638 00:35:22,489 --> 00:35:25,056 and so he wanted beautiful people 639 00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:28,147 to help repopulate and rule. 640 00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:29,583 [coyotes howling] 641 00:35:29,626 --> 00:35:33,195 And that's when I realized everything had changed. 642 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,678 ♪ 643 00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:41,812 The Straight Satans, the motorcycle gang was involved, 644 00:35:41,856 --> 00:35:44,641 and there were knives, and there were guns. 645 00:35:44,685 --> 00:35:46,991 They were like a protection, 646 00:35:47,035 --> 00:35:50,865 and a provider of weapons. 647 00:35:54,042 --> 00:35:56,827 Danny DeCarlo was probably like the leader, 648 00:35:56,871 --> 00:36:01,658 or the most vocal and the most friendly with Charlie. 649 00:36:01,702 --> 00:36:03,660 - When did Charlie start to change. 650 00:36:03,704 --> 00:36:06,185 Initially he didn't like the guns. 651 00:36:06,228 --> 00:36:07,664 - A couple months, 652 00:36:07,708 --> 00:36:10,363 because at first he wasn't into it, you know? 653 00:36:11,233 --> 00:36:13,192 When I first went to the ranch, I brought everything. 654 00:36:13,235 --> 00:36:15,237 I brought my whole arsenal up. 655 00:36:15,281 --> 00:36:17,239 You know, I had three rifles, I had a couple of handguns, 656 00:36:17,283 --> 00:36:18,893 I brought a machine gun out there. 657 00:36:20,286 --> 00:36:21,896 He got that machine gun like John Wayne, 658 00:36:21,939 --> 00:36:23,202 spray that thing all over the place, 659 00:36:23,245 --> 00:36:25,029 and bullets went everywhere. 660 00:36:25,073 --> 00:36:26,727 It made him feel good. 661 00:36:28,076 --> 00:36:29,425 We had fun. 662 00:36:29,469 --> 00:36:31,340 We had fun shooting guns. 663 00:36:31,384 --> 00:36:33,386 Forgot about that. I did. 664 00:36:33,429 --> 00:36:34,778 - Who was the best shot? 665 00:36:34,822 --> 00:36:36,519 - Sadie. I'd say Sadie was. 666 00:36:36,563 --> 00:36:38,913 You know, firing the machine gun. 667 00:36:38,956 --> 00:36:40,567 - Did she get off on that? 668 00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:43,874 - Oh, everybody did. I did too, watching them. 669 00:36:43,918 --> 00:36:46,355 [chuckles] 670 00:36:46,399 --> 00:36:50,098 ♪ 671 00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:54,624 - Back at Spahn Ranch, now they're really building up 672 00:36:54,668 --> 00:36:58,541 this kind of army, you know, really, 673 00:36:58,585 --> 00:37:03,154 and trying to get money to fund guns and gas, 674 00:37:03,198 --> 00:37:06,375 and the different vehicles. 675 00:37:06,419 --> 00:37:12,903 ♪ 676 00:37:12,947 --> 00:37:15,254 [horse neighs] 677 00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:28,092 - Charlie sent word to Bobby, who was living in Hollywood, 678 00:37:28,136 --> 00:37:30,573 with his then-girlfriend Kitty Lutesinger, 679 00:37:30,617 --> 00:37:33,010 to come help us get protected. 680 00:37:33,054 --> 00:37:34,795 So Bobby came on the ranch, 681 00:37:34,838 --> 00:37:36,623 and he hung out with the bikers, 682 00:37:36,666 --> 00:37:38,451 and he got enthralled with them. 683 00:37:38,494 --> 00:37:41,584 He thought, you know, iron horses, freedom, 684 00:37:41,628 --> 00:37:44,718 so he wanted to be a prospect. 685 00:37:46,807 --> 00:37:49,766 - I really wanted to be a part of it, you know? 686 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:54,641 I was a wannabe and I wanted to be accepted. 687 00:37:54,684 --> 00:37:57,121 I was building a bike, I liked the lifestyle. 688 00:37:57,165 --> 00:37:58,949 The whole motorcycle culture, 689 00:37:58,993 --> 00:38:02,475 the biker culture represented a kind of freedom 690 00:38:02,518 --> 00:38:04,781 that I longed for. 691 00:38:04,825 --> 00:38:08,655 I wanted to ingratiate myself with the club. 692 00:38:08,698 --> 00:38:10,700 And when I heard that they were looking 693 00:38:10,744 --> 00:38:12,789 to get some sort of party drug, 694 00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:16,010 I offered to, you know, score for them. 695 00:38:16,576 --> 00:38:18,665 The only guy I knew who might have anything 696 00:38:18,708 --> 00:38:21,320 that would have been of interest to them was Gary. 697 00:38:22,843 --> 00:38:25,802 After I left San Francisco and went to L.A., 698 00:38:25,846 --> 00:38:29,328 I met Gary Hinman, who was a friend of a friend. 699 00:38:30,285 --> 00:38:34,637 He let me rent for a very low rental fee 700 00:38:34,681 --> 00:38:37,901 the basement of his little house. 701 00:38:38,815 --> 00:38:41,078 He had a baby grand piano in the living room, 702 00:38:41,122 --> 00:38:44,865 which was also his bedroom and also his library. 703 00:38:45,431 --> 00:38:48,825 He did teach piano out at UCLA, 704 00:38:48,869 --> 00:38:51,524 played piano for a dance troupe. 705 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:57,007 - Gary loved music. He loved books. 706 00:38:57,051 --> 00:38:59,880 He went on to pursue a master's program. 707 00:39:01,272 --> 00:39:05,538 His mother was very proud of his musical ability. 708 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,368 He became involved with Buddhism, 709 00:39:09,803 --> 00:39:11,674 and he and his parents 710 00:39:11,718 --> 00:39:15,504 were going to go to Japan on a pilgrimage. 711 00:39:15,548 --> 00:39:17,854 His parents were paying for the trip. 712 00:39:17,898 --> 00:39:20,074 He did not have the money to do that. 713 00:39:21,728 --> 00:39:24,557 Gary was a gentle human being. 714 00:39:26,167 --> 00:39:29,039 - Gary wasn't like a real dealer by any means. 715 00:39:29,083 --> 00:39:30,693 He was just a guy who sometimes 716 00:39:30,737 --> 00:39:32,695 helped to make ends meet 717 00:39:32,739 --> 00:39:35,263 by selling a little bit of pot to his friends. 718 00:39:35,698 --> 00:39:38,092 Yeah, I did know that Gary had some mescaline 719 00:39:38,135 --> 00:39:40,094 and Straight Satans gave me some money 720 00:39:40,137 --> 00:39:41,704 to go score from Gary, 721 00:39:41,748 --> 00:39:44,098 and I went and got mescaline for them. 722 00:39:44,794 --> 00:39:47,971 It was a really stupid idea on my part 723 00:39:48,015 --> 00:39:50,147 that mescaline would be a good thing 724 00:39:50,191 --> 00:39:52,672 to give to some bikers for a party. 725 00:39:54,151 --> 00:39:58,155 They came back to me and confronted me, 726 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,462 saying that they thought it was bunk. 727 00:40:00,506 --> 00:40:02,725 Some of the guys had gotten sick on it. 728 00:40:02,769 --> 00:40:05,119 If guys are drinking beer and popping red devils, 729 00:40:05,162 --> 00:40:07,251 they take mescaline on top of that, 730 00:40:07,295 --> 00:40:09,123 yeah, they're gonna get sick. 731 00:40:10,037 --> 00:40:13,257 They wanted to get their money back. 732 00:40:13,301 --> 00:40:16,260 [tense music] 733 00:40:16,304 --> 00:40:21,483 ♪ 734 00:40:23,311 --> 00:40:26,096 I thought I could just explain what the problem was, 735 00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:28,011 and he would give me the money back. 736 00:40:30,187 --> 00:40:33,930 Bruce and Danny drove me over, and Mary Brunner and Sadie 737 00:40:33,974 --> 00:40:35,845 asked me if they could come along, 738 00:40:35,889 --> 00:40:37,456 because they were friends of Gary's. 739 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,808 Honestly, I didn't think it was gonna be a big deal. 740 00:40:41,851 --> 00:40:44,985 I had the gun because Bruce had given it to me. 741 00:40:45,028 --> 00:40:47,466 I guess Danny recommended that I take the gun, 742 00:40:47,509 --> 00:40:49,816 and that it'd be, you know, this sort of confrontation. 743 00:40:49,859 --> 00:40:51,513 I didn't see it that way, 744 00:40:51,557 --> 00:40:54,168 because I didn't see Gary that way. 745 00:40:55,256 --> 00:40:57,780 We talked about it, and I told him what had happened, 746 00:40:57,824 --> 00:41:00,479 and he says, "Well, Bobby, I don't have the money." 747 00:41:01,828 --> 00:41:04,134 He showed me his wallet and his checkbook. 748 00:41:04,178 --> 00:41:07,137 He had $57 in his checking account 749 00:41:07,181 --> 00:41:08,965 and a few bucks in his wallet. 750 00:41:09,009 --> 00:41:11,664 And then I was starting to get frantic. 751 00:41:12,534 --> 00:41:15,145 And so I did hit him with the gun a couple of times. 752 00:41:15,189 --> 00:41:18,235 I didn't hit him very hard. I'm just not that kind of guy. 753 00:41:18,279 --> 00:41:20,977 And that is exactly what Gary said to me. 754 00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:23,632 He says, "Bobby, this isn't you." 755 00:41:23,676 --> 00:41:25,808 You know, and I apologized. 756 00:41:25,852 --> 00:41:27,810 I said, "I just--I need to get something, Gary." 757 00:41:27,854 --> 00:41:29,856 I need to take something back to these guys." 758 00:41:31,205 --> 00:41:33,686 I needed to be able to look around the house 759 00:41:33,729 --> 00:41:36,384 for something that might be worth some money. 760 00:41:36,906 --> 00:41:39,909 I gave the gun to Sadie, told her, you know, 761 00:41:39,953 --> 00:41:43,347 like I'd seen done in cowboy movies as a kid, 762 00:41:43,391 --> 00:41:46,220 "If he moves, shoot him." 763 00:41:48,048 --> 00:41:52,008 Sadie had begun yelling that Gary had got the gun. 764 00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:54,358 I just immediately ran into the kitchen 765 00:41:54,402 --> 00:41:57,361 and saw Gary trying to turn the gun on me, 766 00:41:57,405 --> 00:41:59,538 and I just dove at him. 767 00:42:00,756 --> 00:42:02,366 I got my hands on the gun. 768 00:42:02,410 --> 00:42:06,588 As we were struggling, then the gun went off. 769 00:42:06,632 --> 00:42:10,592 ♪ 770 00:42:10,636 --> 00:42:12,202 In that instant, 771 00:42:12,246 --> 00:42:14,378 with both of us looking into each other's eyes, 772 00:42:14,422 --> 00:42:16,293 and I could see the same thing in his eyes, 773 00:42:16,337 --> 00:42:17,904 that were-- that I was feeling, 774 00:42:17,947 --> 00:42:21,037 which was, "I wonder if I've been shot." 775 00:42:21,081 --> 00:42:23,083 I was able to take the gun from him. 776 00:42:24,388 --> 00:42:26,913 We both calmed down. I put the gun away. 777 00:42:26,956 --> 00:42:30,177 And Gary and I sat down at the table again. 778 00:42:31,134 --> 00:42:34,442 We came to the solution that he would sign over 779 00:42:34,485 --> 00:42:39,229 the pink slips to his VW bus and that little jalopy. 780 00:42:39,273 --> 00:42:42,276 The two of them probably weren't worth 781 00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:45,279 what I was in debt to the bikers over. 782 00:42:45,322 --> 00:42:47,977 What I didn't know at the time 783 00:42:48,021 --> 00:42:51,764 was that one of the women had called the ranch. 784 00:42:51,807 --> 00:42:54,244 [phone rings] 785 00:42:54,288 --> 00:42:55,811 - The phone rang. 786 00:42:55,855 --> 00:42:58,248 There wasn't anybody else around, so I answered it. 787 00:42:58,292 --> 00:43:01,991 And it was Mary Brunner, and she said, "Get Charlie." 788 00:43:05,212 --> 00:43:08,650 - After Gary had given me the title to the two little cars, 789 00:43:08,694 --> 00:43:11,261 we were on cordial terms again. 790 00:43:11,305 --> 00:43:14,351 Call it water under the bridge and leave it behind. 791 00:43:16,223 --> 00:43:19,922 We became aware that someone was coming to the front door, 792 00:43:19,966 --> 00:43:22,359 and Gary went to answer it. 793 00:43:22,403 --> 00:43:26,102 And he opened the door, and said, "Hi, Charlie." 794 00:43:26,146 --> 00:43:28,365 And Charlie stepped into the front door 795 00:43:28,409 --> 00:43:29,802 and just slashed him across the face, 796 00:43:29,845 --> 00:43:32,152 not a word, without warning. 797 00:43:33,501 --> 00:43:36,547 I said, "Charlie, why did you do that?" 798 00:43:36,591 --> 00:43:41,291 And he said, exact words, "Showing you how to be a man." 799 00:43:41,335 --> 00:43:44,294 ♪ 800 00:43:44,338 --> 00:43:47,776 And then Bruce turned to Gary and says, "Where's the gun?" 801 00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:49,473 And I said, "I've got it." 802 00:43:49,517 --> 00:43:52,476 Bruce took the gun, as quick as they came, they left, 803 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,175 and Charlie said, "Tell them to clean this mess up." 804 00:43:56,524 --> 00:43:57,699 Gary was bleeding. 805 00:43:57,743 --> 00:43:59,483 He was holding his hand up to his cheek, 806 00:43:59,527 --> 00:44:03,009 and maybe I was just horrified and Gary was horrified. 807 00:44:05,272 --> 00:44:08,492 I spent the next day with Gary. 808 00:44:08,536 --> 00:44:13,672 And I didn't know what the fuck to do at that point. 809 00:44:14,107 --> 00:44:18,024 I was getting increasingly desperate over the situation. 810 00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:22,681 So I called the ranch. 811 00:44:22,724 --> 00:44:24,857 [phone rings] 812 00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:26,423 And got Charlie on the phone and I said, 813 00:44:26,467 --> 00:44:29,209 "Man, you know, you created this problem, 814 00:44:29,252 --> 00:44:31,733 "and I need you to take it back, 815 00:44:31,777 --> 00:44:33,866 because I don't know what to do." 816 00:44:34,388 --> 00:44:36,390 And he said something to the effect, 817 00:44:36,433 --> 00:44:39,872 "You know what to do as well as I do," and hung up on me. 818 00:44:44,398 --> 00:44:48,271 And maybe a half hour later, I stabbed Gary to death. 819 00:44:59,587 --> 00:45:03,025 - He was found in the living room directly up here, 820 00:45:03,069 --> 00:45:05,854 and he was lying on his back with multiple stab wounds. 821 00:45:05,898 --> 00:45:07,856 He had been dead approximately one week 822 00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:10,729 at the time that he was found. 823 00:45:10,772 --> 00:45:13,601 After we entered the home, we saw signs of a struggle, 824 00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:16,256 and it appeared as though there had been a 825 00:45:16,952 --> 00:45:19,085 some degree of violence. 826 00:45:21,087 --> 00:45:23,219 I would never have killed a man had Charlie 827 00:45:23,263 --> 00:45:26,222 not come into Gary's home, slashed his face, 828 00:45:26,266 --> 00:45:29,965 and then left me there with that responsibility. 829 00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:36,755 I don't remember writing in blood on the wall. 830 00:45:36,798 --> 00:45:38,931 I don't know that I did that. 831 00:45:40,019 --> 00:45:42,456 I had always assumed it was me. 832 00:45:47,461 --> 00:45:52,683 - I had seen Bobby and Mary and Susan Atkins 833 00:45:52,727 --> 00:45:54,947 kind of huddled and whispering. 834 00:45:56,296 --> 00:45:58,254 The twinkle in his eye was gone. 835 00:45:58,298 --> 00:46:02,781 He looked scared and didn't look like Bobby. 836 00:46:02,824 --> 00:46:04,086 So I asked him, "What's wrong?" 837 00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:06,001 And he said, "Nothing." 838 00:46:06,045 --> 00:46:09,788 So, I said, "Okay." And I just kept on walking. 839 00:46:11,833 --> 00:46:13,922 [coyote howling] 840 00:46:13,966 --> 00:46:16,925 [uneasy music] 841 00:46:16,969 --> 00:46:19,623 ♪ 842 00:46:19,667 --> 00:46:23,192 - Bobby Beausoleil, in his stupidity, 843 00:46:23,236 --> 00:46:26,500 gets into the car of the murder victim, Gary Hinman, 844 00:46:26,543 --> 00:46:30,156 and he drives 120 miles to San Luis Obispo. 845 00:46:34,247 --> 00:46:39,469 - And drove off in Gary's car with the murder weapon. 846 00:46:39,513 --> 00:46:41,645 - It was very early in the morning. 847 00:46:41,689 --> 00:46:43,299 The car broke down. 848 00:46:43,343 --> 00:46:44,997 The engine was still smoking 849 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,955 when the Highway Patrol car passed by. 850 00:46:46,999 --> 00:46:48,739 So I jumped into the back seat 851 00:46:48,783 --> 00:46:51,307 and pretended to be asleep. 852 00:46:51,351 --> 00:46:55,137 I didn't know what I thought that would do to help. 853 00:46:55,181 --> 00:46:56,617 - The highway patrolman discovered, 854 00:46:56,660 --> 00:47:00,142 it is the car of the murder victim, Gary Hinman. 855 00:47:00,186 --> 00:47:02,188 Mr. Beausoleil was arrested, 856 00:47:02,231 --> 00:47:04,973 accused of first-degree murder. 857 00:47:05,017 --> 00:47:07,019 [camera shutters clicking] 858 00:47:17,377 --> 00:47:20,771 - After the murder, Charlie leaves town. 859 00:47:21,337 --> 00:47:23,078 Things were getting too crazy in L.A. 860 00:47:23,122 --> 00:47:26,342 [gentle music] 861 00:47:26,386 --> 00:47:29,780 ♪ 862 00:47:29,824 --> 00:47:32,958 - When I met Charlie, I was 17 on a road trip. 863 00:47:34,568 --> 00:47:36,613 And we were on our way home, it was probably about, 864 00:47:36,657 --> 00:47:38,528 I don't know, 3:00 in the morning or something. 865 00:47:38,572 --> 00:47:40,791 We stopped for gas. 866 00:47:40,835 --> 00:47:43,142 I went to go to the bathroom. 867 00:47:44,056 --> 00:47:45,927 There was Charlie, 868 00:47:45,971 --> 00:47:47,407 and a couple of fellows, I think, 869 00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:50,105 that were just hitchhiking were with him as well. 870 00:47:54,588 --> 00:47:56,764 He said some things, like, "Well, what's a beautiful girl 871 00:47:56,807 --> 00:48:00,072 like you out here so late at night?" 872 00:48:00,115 --> 00:48:02,117 And in just a short period of time, 873 00:48:02,161 --> 00:48:03,205 he was able to tell me 874 00:48:03,249 --> 00:48:04,946 everything I ever wanted to hear. 875 00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:06,556 "I bet your dad doesn't really love you. 876 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,255 I bet nobody really takes you seriously." 877 00:48:11,866 --> 00:48:13,955 And I was like, wow, you know? 878 00:48:13,999 --> 00:48:16,915 And I saw there was guitars in his van, 879 00:48:16,958 --> 00:48:19,091 and I thought, "This is neat." 880 00:48:19,352 --> 00:48:21,310 We were near Big Sur, 881 00:48:21,354 --> 00:48:24,052 and I had always wanted to see Big Sur. 882 00:48:24,096 --> 00:48:25,924 So I don't know what happened. 883 00:48:25,967 --> 00:48:28,927 I told the fellow that I was with, 884 00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:31,930 I said, "I'm gonna go with these guys." 885 00:48:31,973 --> 00:48:35,281 The attraction was just immediate. 886 00:48:35,324 --> 00:48:37,065 Yeah. 887 00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:44,246 ♪ 888 00:48:44,290 --> 00:48:47,510 We pulled up to the Esalen Institute. 889 00:48:47,554 --> 00:48:49,425 He took his guitar and he told me, 890 00:48:49,469 --> 00:48:52,254 "Stay in the van while I go in there 891 00:48:52,298 --> 00:48:54,953 and I'll be back in a little bit." 892 00:48:54,996 --> 00:48:58,043 So, okay, so I just waited. 893 00:49:03,004 --> 00:49:05,615 I think that he was thinking that they were gonna be 894 00:49:05,659 --> 00:49:08,618 really blown away by his talent, 895 00:49:08,662 --> 00:49:11,360 and, you know, his music abilities, 896 00:49:11,404 --> 00:49:14,581 and, you know, ask him to come back and possibly pay him. 897 00:49:16,887 --> 00:49:19,978 But, uh, they didn't. 898 00:49:22,371 --> 00:49:24,634 He was pretty upset when he came back. 899 00:49:24,678 --> 00:49:27,637 The fact that these people were not impressed 900 00:49:27,681 --> 00:49:30,989 with his talent made him angry. 901 00:49:33,252 --> 00:49:35,123 Put his guitar in the van, 902 00:49:35,167 --> 00:49:38,997 and hardly said, you know, two words, and off we went. 903 00:49:47,092 --> 00:49:49,703 When we met at the gas station, I said, 904 00:49:49,746 --> 00:49:51,922 "If I go to Big Sur with you, 905 00:49:51,966 --> 00:49:55,491 will you take me to San Diego to get my things?" 906 00:49:55,535 --> 00:49:58,277 And he promised me that he would. 907 00:49:59,452 --> 00:50:00,714 And he did. 908 00:50:08,374 --> 00:50:11,855 We spent a couple of hours with my sister 909 00:50:11,899 --> 00:50:15,859 and Charlie, and my sister's boyfriend, 910 00:50:15,903 --> 00:50:19,211 and I don't think they were happy. 911 00:50:19,646 --> 00:50:22,257 You know, they were on the outside looking in, 912 00:50:22,301 --> 00:50:24,346 and I don't think they were real glad 913 00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:28,785 that I was going with him, but nevertheless, I was, so. 914 00:50:31,223 --> 00:50:32,702 Basically, I didn't take much. 915 00:50:32,746 --> 00:50:36,750 A few clothes, my dog, and my guitar. 916 00:50:46,281 --> 00:50:48,196 When we pulled up to the ranch, 917 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,719 everything was turned over. 918 00:50:49,763 --> 00:50:53,201 Any clothes that I brought went into a communal pile. 919 00:50:53,245 --> 00:50:55,638 My driver's license, any money I had, 920 00:50:55,682 --> 00:50:58,206 which was probably very, very little. 921 00:50:58,250 --> 00:51:00,121 Everything that we had went into, 922 00:51:00,165 --> 00:51:02,210 like a communal pot, 923 00:51:02,254 --> 00:51:04,386 and everybody just used whatever. 924 00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:07,433 Kind of gave up your identity, you know? 925 00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:11,741 ♪ 926 00:51:11,785 --> 00:51:14,657 [indistinct singing] 927 00:51:14,701 --> 00:51:20,750 ♪ 928 00:51:20,794 --> 00:51:25,973 - I asked Charlie, "Hey, do you know what's up with Bobby?" 929 00:51:26,016 --> 00:51:29,933 He said, "Yeah, he got busted in a dead man's car, 930 00:51:29,977 --> 00:51:31,761 and now he's in for murder." 931 00:51:31,805 --> 00:51:34,155 And I said, "Bobby?" 932 00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,419 And he kind of said it with disdain. 933 00:51:37,463 --> 00:51:39,769 And I said, "Well, what jail is he in? 934 00:51:39,813 --> 00:51:41,031 I'll go see him." 935 00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:43,469 And he said, "I've got this covered. 936 00:51:43,512 --> 00:51:45,514 You stay out of it." 937 00:51:46,298 --> 00:51:48,300 ♪ 938 00:51:54,175 --> 00:51:57,135 [uneasy music] 939 00:51:57,178 --> 00:52:03,880 ♪ 940 00:52:03,924 --> 00:52:06,666 - In my world, there is no wrong. 941 00:52:10,191 --> 00:52:12,846 You think that my mind is like your mind, but it isn't. 942 00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:18,156 This confusion belongs to you. It's your confusion. 943 00:52:22,072 --> 00:52:26,164 Living is what scares me. Dying is easy. 944 00:52:28,905 --> 00:52:30,864 - But there is something else here. 945 00:52:30,907 --> 00:52:35,695 We have known what Manson did without understanding why. 946 00:52:36,565 --> 00:52:39,655 - Charlie played a different role for each one of us. 947 00:52:39,699 --> 00:52:42,310 - We were everything to each other. 948 00:52:42,354 --> 00:52:44,834 - This wasn't what I signed up for. 949 00:52:44,878 --> 00:52:46,836 - These were America's children. 950 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,536 - It was the '60s. It was a perfect storm. 951 00:52:50,579 --> 00:52:53,234 - People have been brainwashed to believe 952 00:52:53,278 --> 00:52:55,541 the real reason behind these murders 953 00:52:55,584 --> 00:52:57,543 was to start a race war. 954 00:52:58,587 --> 00:53:00,546 He said, "Will you die for me?" 955 00:53:01,982 --> 00:53:04,854 - Helter Skelter simply means confusion. 956 00:53:04,898 --> 00:53:10,947 ♪ 957 00:53:58,038 --> 00:54:00,258 - Greg, move your head. 958 00:54:04,958 --> 00:54:07,265 [lion roars]